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---Logopened Mon Oct 26 00:00:46 2009
00:02<quimkaos>Hi, i just instaled the nvidia drivers and now at the boot up when X starts my monitor says it's out of rage... frequency is too hight... anyone knows the file were i can change the resolution/frequency ?
00:04<faheem>quimkaos: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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00:05<quimkaos>mmm just went there no line for resolution
00:05<faheem>you can usually reconfigure using dpkg-reconfigure
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00:06<faheem>HorizSync / VertRefresh in Monitor section
00:06<quimkaos>dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
00:07<faheem>quimkaos: dunno, it's been a while. i think maybe the driver package itself
00:07<faheem>quimkaos: see top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:08<faheem>it has some basic instructions. and look at the docs, such as they are
00:09<faheem>if you have a file that used to work, might be simpler to just edit manually
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00:14<quimkaos>xorg.conf and xorg.conf.backup look exactly the same
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00:15<faheem>quimkaos: did you give dpkg-reconfigure the arguments mentioned?
00:15<faheem>sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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00:24<quimkaos>that just removed the driver
00:25<quimkaos>i think
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00:27<faheem>quimkaos: it should update the driver
00:27<faheem>as per the instructions
00:28<quimkaos>what i'm trying to do is set dualhead screen and a litle of eyecandy
00:28<faheem>quimkaos: i'd read the docs for dualhead then. dpkg-reconfigure won't help with that.
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00:28<faheem>but get it working without dualhead first
00:28<faheem>there are examples and documention on the net.
00:29<faheem>also check x server logs, obviously
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00:37<adb>try X -configure : 1
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00:41<dpkg>For Lenny onwards, ask me about <xorg config> <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. For Etch, reconfigure your X server by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root; this will overwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (Sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>.
00:42<faheem>xorg config
00:42<faheem>!xorg config
00:42<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
00:42<faheem>!xorg config lenny
00:42<dpkg>In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
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01:05<vertebrae8>need help installing debian on laptop
01:07<gsimmons>vertebrae8: What specific help do you require?
01:08<quimkaos>baaa moving to test caixa magica
01:08<vertebrae8>I am new to linux, interested in getting it loaded up on my notebook, and started torrenting the DVD's. Are there seriously 6 DVDs with over 20GB of data to downlod?
01:08<quimkaos>use net install
01:08<vertebrae8>off a stick or USB xternal HD (which I have)
01:09<quimkaos>notbook or netbook? you have no cd drive?
01:10<vertebrae8>i do have a CD rom
01:10<vertebrae8>DVD rom
01:11<quimkaos>net install is a 160MB iso you olny nead internet connection to inssstall it
01:11<vertebrae8>ok I'm on the net install page on
01:11<vertebrae8>checkin it out now
01:12<vertebrae8>am I going to need to remove windows and format first?
01:13<vertebrae8>my HDD is not huge
01:13<vertebrae8>will I be able to wipe windows after I drop Debian on there?
01:15<quimkaos>use advanced format and manualy shrink you windows partition make at least a partion of 10GB for system mounted at / and a swap partition of 180MB
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01:17<vertebrae8>so the bootable environment (pre install) will give me the option to shrink my windows partition, as well as a swap partition?
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01:18<vertebrae8>sorry I got disconnected for a sec
01:19<quimkaos>if you can backup you data from windows it's allways better
01:19<vertebrae8>you said yes to my last long question I presume?
01:19<vertebrae8>I have my HDD backed up on my external
01:19<quimkaos>yes i did
01:19<quimkaos>ok then
01:19<quimkaos>if any big problem ocures you are safe
01:19<vertebrae8>another question: never heard of a swap partition. This a linux thing?
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01:20<quimkaos>it's like the swap file in windows
01:20<quimkaos>only better
01:21<vertebrae8>so my HDD is about 18 GB, that going to be sufficient?
01:22<quimkaos>can you live with a windows partition of 5GB?
01:22<vertebrae8>will it be operational, like dual bootable or something?
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01:22<br7khu>so I've been using near identical systems, one testing and one unstable on the same box. I alternate them. I have noticed that the unstable system not only has a wider selection of software available, but it also has less problems. Has unstable been passing testing as the distribution of choice?
01:22<vertebrae8>can't I just get rid of windows? I don't have a legal copy of it, I got this laptop from someone else who has all these pirated MS products on it
01:23<gsimmons>vertebrae8: Please read the Debian Installation Guide (/msg dpkg install guide), as this document covers many of the topics you are raising. You can delete any existing partitions from within Debian Installer if desired.
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01:23<vertebrae8>got it
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01:27<rjm>if there's more than 1 cdrom, how are they named in /dev?
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01:40<adb> /dev/cdrom0 , /dev/cdrom1 ..
01:40<rjm>I see, then if there's just one, it's simply cdrom
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01:41<rjm>hm, strange, for me it's currently just cdrom
01:42<sney>it varies based on your hardware configuration. for me it's /dev/sr0
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01:48<adb>ls /dev/ | grep cdrom ; ls /dev/ | grep sr
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01:58<rjm>LOL wrong window
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03:11<peleczek__>i would like to have an optiion of chosing in terminal gdm window manager- for example debian is loading and there is some bash script that gives me an option of choosing 1 and 2 window manaager by pressing 1 or 2 and then gdm loads with this window manager as default. ist there such a option?
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03:12<peleczek__>or maybe choosing window manager from grub?
03:16<jm_>you should be able to select desired session in gdm
03:23<peleczek__>i tried but it's complicated. i use autologin - don't want everytime to type everything. when i have gdm login screen i can choose window manager but i have to login user.
03:26<jm_>then you can rely on ~/.xsession or ~/.gnomerc
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03:32<RattusWorkus>Good morning everyoune. I am looking for someone who can help me understand an error I am seeing in a bit of code I have written. not why my code has gone into error but the underlying issue. I guess I need to talk with someone who understands the workings of file systems. Is there anyone in here I can chat about this with - or perhaps you could point me
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03:35<jm_>is it debian related?
03:36<RattusWorkus>well the utility is running on a debian box. but the question is more linux file subsystem than spacificly Debian
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03:37<jm_>then try asking and see if someone responds
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03:40<RattusWorkus>I am developing my own SSD (Hardware). In order to test the wear leaviling of the NAND controller chip I have a utility that creates files containing random data. The file name consists of a serial number, the length of the file and the MD5 sum of the random payload. After a series of writes I then check each and every file on the disk to ensure...
03:40<RattusWorkus>that the files have not become currupt (adjacent cell errors).
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03:40<RattusWorkus>This seams to work very well, and I have written litteraly yota bytes with this utility.
03:41<RattusWorkus>I have now come to qualify some new FLASH (unfortuynatly MLC NAND is a commodity product and is typicly only available for 12 months). And for the first time I have seen an error.
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03:42<RattusWorkus>My utility is reporting that one file has a differant MD5 SUM from that in its filename.
03:43<RattusWorkus>OK so this could indicate that there has been adjacent cell curruption, however IIRC there is some form of CRC going on at file system and IDE subsystem level that shoyuld prevent a currupt file from being
03:44<jm_>no, current (non development status) filesystems in linux have no hash checking
03:44<RattusWorkus>passed without any (filesystem) errors intio a user space application. 1) Am I correct in this understanding
03:44<jm_>as for IDE - modern devices that support SMART do catch bus errors
03:44<jm_>(and report them too)
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03:44<jm_>block layer has infrastructure for what you are thinking of, but I don't think it's being used yet
03:45<RattusWorkus>ok so the file system does NOT check integraty of the files by default so the errors I am seeing are likly real and not a bug in my code (or a subtle bug in MD5 algorythem)
03:46<jm_>btrfs has this
03:47<RattusWorkus>ok many thanks - I shall go and have a look at BTRFS.
03:48<jm_>and disks also have checksums, but if there's an error there it would also be reported, but I am sure you know more about this than I do
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03:48<RattusWorkus>indeed, the controller has 24bit bch ecc. (and this is pretty much required for the MLC NAND
03:50<jm_>hmm I wonder if flash targeted fs-es for linux have checksums
03:50<RattusWorkus>I am just supprised that I am seeing this error in userspace, without the FLASH controller, or any part of the OS / File subsystem noticing (or at least reporting)
03:51<RattusWorkus>please bare in mind my SSD has a normal IDE interface, it is not a raw memory device so things like JFFS2 are not suitable file systems
03:51<jm_>yup, I understood this doesn't apply to you, just wondering now that we are talking abou tit
03:52<RattusWorkus>well many many thanks for the chat. It has helped me arrange my thoughts on the subject.
03:53<RattusWorkus>Time to go and have a chat with the manufacture of the controller chip...
03:53<jm_>well it may also be caused by other hardware issues, most standard is RAM
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03:53<jm_>this is pretyt common, I've seen it several times - write a file, check its md5sum and it's different, or different each time you read file etc.
03:54<RattusWorkus>unlikly in this case. each read shows the same MD5Sum as the 1st error (and I have ensured that my cache is clean between reads)
03:56<jm_>yeah having internal file integrity checks in filesystem would be easier to find out who to blame
03:56<RattusWorkus>I guess I should add a read imeadiatly after each write though to double check the data I have written. what annoys is I have now seen a total of 2 errors but litteraly written yotabytes of data (and these 2 errors occured on 2 differant machines)
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03:57<jm_>how are those writes performed? are you definitely flushing the data to the device? that's not always a simple task
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03:59<jm_>probably using O_DIRECT would be best
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03:59<RattusWorkus>indeed. Raw write, with a nicly co-operating file system (i.e. accepting posix_fadvise)
04:00<RattusWorkus>O_DIRECT also works (and is argubly a better solution in this case)
04:01<RattusWorkus>but I am sure my data is being passed to the SSD correctly as I watched the transfer accross the bus (PATA analiser FTW)
04:01<jm_>make sure you do a good job on this, we users cna't wait to get hold off reliable and cheap SSD devices :))
04:01<jm_>for that block layer checksums would help I think, but as I said, I don't think they ar ebeing used
04:02<RattusWorkus>It has worked real nice until this latest generation of FLASH (process shring to 43nm) which is why my first thoughts (and now almost cirtain) are that I am seeing adjacent Cell curruption
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04:04<RattusWorkus>of cause the liklyhood of this increaces as MLC NAND dencity is increased.
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04:04<scottc>about how much memory do you think would be required to run a livedvd (it's currently about 3.2gb and has gnome installed)
04:06<RattusWorkus>scottc - I wouldn't try with less than 1GB RAM
04:06<jm_>scottc: what live dvd? it all depends on how you do it, how much you want to run
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04:07<jm_>no worries
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04:07<scottc>jm_: I'm trying to create something that can run on a laptop with a failing hd controller. I'm creating it in a VM on another computer, but atm it is taking up about 3.2gb space. The laptop itself has 256mb ram and a 1ghz processor
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04:07<jm_>scottc: why not use something that already exists, i.e. grml?
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04:08<jm_>or debian live?
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04:08<scottc>jm_: I need my wireless drivers on there, as well as some other software
04:08<jm_>scottc: should be easily doable with live-debian
04:09<scottc>jm_: That's how I'm building it, I'm just wondering what the memory requirement will be before I waste a disc
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04:10<jm_>scottc: probably best to ask in their channel
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04:33<majti>Join (Super Online Hacker Game)
04:34<azeem>majti: no spamming here
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04:43<Torsten>I moven a VM with installed Debian from one PC to another. Now Debian has problems to acces the virtual network adapters. The hardware should be similar emulated maybe with changed MAC address, some idears how I can get the Network back to work?
04:45<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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04:49<Torsten>OK thanks, I got that, so I need to set the MAC Adress in this file to the actual MAC Adress?
04:50<Torsten>And now the Question, how can I get this MAC-address?
04:51<jm_>you probably already have it but it added it as eth1 since old one had eth0 - I recommend to remove the old eth0 line (or comment it) and change eth1 to eth0
04:52<jm_>otherwise ifconfig will report it to you (ifconfig -a), you can also find it in /sys/class/net
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04:56<Torsten>thanks, udev was a good tip! I deleted the persisten-net.rules and rebooted, now I have the changed MAC in the file and have connection again
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05:02<live007>Hi All .. I have intel ich5 alc655 sound card it's low-vol on testing .. how can make med-vol all time
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05:04<jm_>did you adjust all mixer levels?
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05:13<live007>yes .. I used alsamixer : Vol 50 & pcm 50 Balance 50 it's work fine but I reboot baclk to 0/zero low
05:13<jm_>try saving stuff with 'alsactl store'
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05:16<live007>jm_ : thanks++
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06:13<christopher_>my fonts in my debian testing are very poor quality. i think i need to download a package to correct this. anyone have any ideas?
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07:00<lancelot_of>hi all
07:00<angelo>lancelot_of: sei italiano?
07:00<lancelot_of>is there anyway to make acroread behave in colours like a true e-reader (with e-ink technology)?
07:00<lancelot_of>angelo, ciao, si
07:01<angelo>di dove?
07:01<lancelot_of>angelo, prov di benevento, tu?
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07:02<lancelot_of>angelo, bene, ci ho vissuto parecchi anni a roma, ancora ci lavoro
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07:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:02<lancelot_of>locklace, i'm not searching for italian help
07:02<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
07:02<lancelot_of>locklace, i'm just answering specific personal questions
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07:04<lancelot_of>anyway, any suggestion on my previous post
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08:05<peej>I want to temporarily view EDT. I have CET. How can I do that ? date option? setting the LC_TIME variable?
08:05<jm_>TZ variable
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08:07<jm_>TZ=America/Detroit date
08:08<peej>cool. Works for me.
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08:46<mango>hello every one, I don't know if I was here before...but this is the problem i have
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08:47<mango>my debian machine is running 3000 slower then my window machine in terms of browsing...and both machines are on the same network
08:47<stockholm>i know a computer called mango. this is confusing :-)
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08:47<xoaloxalx>my laptop is called mango too!
08:47<berto_>geocities is dead -> :D
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08:48<mango>I have been running lenny for more then 2 years but since I updated it about 5 weeks went creazy slow
08:49<mango>is there any one here to help please? many thanks
08:50<dpkg>hmm... slow is ask me about <dma> or <nsswitch>.
08:51<mango>I don't know if this would help...this is my traceroute output to from both windows and linux
08:52<azeem>mango: it doesn't
08:52<mango>stockholm: well, I have had so many mangos that I became one :)
08:52<mango>azeem: sorry, I did not know you are here too
08:53<mango>azeem: I have run out of options...I have no clue what to do next....if bloody windows works fine, can not understand why does not work either debian on ubuntu
08:53<mango>any other suggestions please?
08:53<azeem>did you even read what locklace prompted?
08:54<locklace>hint: it's not dma
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08:57<mango>azeem: thanks for your previous help :) ...but is there any other room I can go too please...the only option left for me to do is to use a windows machine
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08:57<azeem>mango: eh?
08:58<azeem>did you ask dpkg about nsswitch? did it help any?
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08:58<mango>I know I am a pain...but i am sure you can imagine what paid to use windows as an alternative?1
08:59<azeem>you're just a pain insofar as you're not paying any attention
08:59<mango>azeem: is this message for me?
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08:59<azeem>mango: nobody is else is talking
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09:00<dr|z3d>!tell mango about dma
09:00<mango>azeem: can not help it...I have been here for more then 3 days ...and no luck still
09:00<azeem>dr|z3d: 13:54 < locklace> hint: it's not dma
09:00<mango>azeem: sorry any way
09:00<mango>and thank you
09:01<dr|z3d>Ah, scrollback failed me.
09:01<dr|z3d>!tell mango about nsswitch
09:01<azeem>mango: pastebin the output of "cat /etc/nsswitch.conf"
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09:03<mango>azeem: I don't have that file in the my path
09:03<mango>azeem: sorry I oversaw that
09:03<mango>I don
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09:03<mango>I do...I will paste it now
09:03<gmariano>Hi, I'm running debian lenny. I've used in debian squeeze the dante-client package. In lenny doesnt exists. which package can provide me the socksify command?
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09:04<azeem>tsocks e.g.
09:04<azeem>well, tsocks provides the tsocks command
09:04<gmariano>and the syntax is the same for the configuration file?
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09:04<azeem>probably not
09:05<gmariano>seems like a joke, dante-client is everywhere except lenny :(
09:05<mango>azeem: this is the output of /etc/nsswitch.conf =>
09:06<locklace>mango: get rid of avahi-daemon and friends unless you really need mdns (if you don't know what it is, you don't)
09:06<azeem>even if, it doesn't explain why the download rate itself is 3000x slower
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09:06<azeem>once you have a connection, dns shouldn't matter that much anyway
09:07<locklace>never saw him say anything about download speed, just "browsing is slow"
09:07<mango>locklace: sorry how do I do that
09:07<locklace>which, as problem descriptions go, is one small step above "doesn't work"
09:07<mango>locklace: yes, my download is slow too
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09:08<locklace>well, one thing at a time. first axe mdns
09:08<mango>locklace: sorry, I am a newbie...please explain
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09:10<locklace>aptitude remove avahi-daemon
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09:12<mango>locklace: ooooh has removed gnome with and many other packages
09:12<mango>locklace: would it be right?
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09:12<themill>you don't want to do that then
09:12<mango>themill: I have already
09:13<azeem>mango: review the proposed changes next time
09:13<mango>azeem: has server me as a lesson...
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09:15<mango>azeem: I am sure that I have to install gnome over again once I reboot...just in case...have you had a look at nssitwitch.conf is there anything unusual?
09:16<azeem>mango: we had a look, and that's why locklace recommended removinv avahi-daemon
09:16<azeem>it's unclear why you want to reboot
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09:17<azeem>mango: does /etc/nsswitch.conf still have that content after you ran aptitudeß
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09:18<mango>the host line has changed to hosts: files dns
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09:19<mango>azeem: the host line has changed to hosts: files dns
09:19<azeem>mango: is the internet still slow?
09:19<azeem>maybe try restarting firefox
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09:20<mango>azeem: let me see..
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09:23<eeeuser>Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew of any streaming desktop capture software.
09:23<eeeuser>I wan't to redirect my destkop ouput to a video device, like /dev/video0
09:23<eeeuser>Does such a thing even exist?
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09:25<jm_>eeeuser: what's your target goal?
09:25<dr|z3d>eeeuser: istanbul I vaguely recall..
09:25<eeeuser>I have been asked to give a presentation over skype.
09:26<eeeuser>I want to screencap my OOO presentation and stream it
09:26<valdyn>eeeuser: "apt-cache search screen capture" ( that was not obvious? )
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09:26<eeeuser>that is not what I want to do though
09:27<eeeuser>That will capture itt o a file, which is not right.
09:27<valdyn>eeeuser: thats fine
09:27<valdyn>eeeuser: thats what you want
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09:27<eeeuser>No, I want realtime streaming. My presentaiton is not a video, it is me answering questions.
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09:27<valdyn>eeeuser: unix is about pipes
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09:28<eeeuser>But will the datatypes match
09:28<eeeuser>OGV in != v4l out.
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09:29<valdyn>eeeuser: thats so reversed
09:29<valdyn>eeeuser: which physical device do you want to play the movie on?
09:29<hacknick>salve ho un serio problema con il mio server che mi va in crasch e non so per quale motivo...addirittura e questo mi è capitato poco fa quando l'ho riavviato mi lanciava un segnale acustico che si ripreteva ma il boot della bios non ram scheda video non volevano ripartire
09:29<valdyn>eeeuser: oh nm, skype.....
09:29<eeeuser>I want my desktop to be played to a virtual device which can be accessed via the v4l API, which I believe is what skype uses.
09:30<valdyn>eeeuser: so using /dev/video0 would defenitely be wrong
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09:31<valdyn>eeeuser: you would have to "hack" skype or look if linux supports fake capture devices
09:31<hacknick>Hi I have a serious problem with my server that I go to Crasch and not even know why ... and I was happened just now when I restart it gives me a beep that ripreteva but the bios does not boot ram video card would not share
09:31<eeeuser>yes, fake capture devices are exactly what I am after.
09:31<valdyn>eeeuser: i see only my camera listed an selectable in skype, and you sure cannot just use your camera to record the screen
09:32<valdyn>eeeuser: ( unless you place it in front of the screen )
09:32<valdyn>eeeuser: skype is a retarded pos that way
09:32<eeeuser>I could, but I would prefer the professional touch of not pointing my cam at my screen. Also I would avoid infinite analog recursion :)
09:32<valdyn>eeeuser: now question is if linux cares for retarded pos applications enough to have a fake capture device that you can feed data
09:32<tuxcrafter>hi all , is here somebody that has a ipsec connection on his debian machine?
09:32<ip>hi, I'm having trouble with my wireless lan pc-card since I dist-upgraded to Debian Lenny and 2.6.26 kernel, ath0 which used to be my wifi card is no longer present. when I boot the old kernel my wifi cards works perfectly. I compared lsmod from both systems and when the old kernel is bootet there's a whole bunch of wlan* stuff loaded, but insmod wlan on the new kernel only gives me "can't read wlan: No such file or directory" anyone any sug
09:32<stevem_>Lo, if I'm on a fresh install (nothing like build-essential installed) and I do a build-dep for a package that'll need things like build-essential, devscripts, fakeroot, etc... will it work out those?
09:33<eeeuser>I didn't choose skype :)
09:33<valdyn>eeeuser: iows a device driver that looks like a camera to skype
09:33<valdyn>eeeuser: but really just takes your data
09:33<tuxcrafter>i would like two know how much work it is to setup a ipsec on the latest kernels
09:33<valdyn>eeeuser: in other words
09:34<valdyn>eeeuser: a sane program would let you select a socket at least
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09:34*eeeuser is wondering how hard it would be to hack recordmydesktop....
09:34<valdyn>eeeuser: uh?
09:35<valdyn>eeeuser: that doesnt help with skype, you need to patch skype or fake a video device
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09:35<gsimmons>ip: You are required to build madwifi modules for your new kernel ; /msg dpkg madwifi-install
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09:36<eeeuser>patching skype is out. Faking video is possible, if implausible.
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09:36<valdyn>eeeuser: *if* there is such a kernel driver, im looking right now
09:36<eeeuser>Ooooh. found one.
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09:37<mango>azeem: sorry for the delay...I was testing...bowsing is still slow...but when dowloading it started fast then it slowed down afterwoods
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09:38<eeeuser>no binary though :(
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09:38<valdyn>eeeuser: mencoder / mplayer can convert and feed any data after you found that driver
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09:38<valdyn>eeeuser: there isnt one in mainline though as far as i can see
09:38<ip>gsinnons: thank you, ill check it out
09:39<valdyn>eeeuser: im thinking that skypes api might support a video feed too, in which case there might be a plugin or somesuch to enable what you need
09:40<eeeuser>OK. I'll give this kernel module a burn, and if not, I will try looking for skype plugins.
09:40<mango>azeem: shouldn't I restart the network?
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09:41<valdyn>theres a "fake webcam" for windows anyway
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09:42<mango>azeem: stockholm: thanks for your help...I will try again next time
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09:46<Oscaracciato>OMG so many people here!
09:46<perk>welcome to the family
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09:46<Oscaracciato>thanks :) introducing myself: Oscar, italian...
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09:53<ip>gsimmons: thank you, it worked!
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10:00<gsimmons>ip: np
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10:14<stevem_>Isn't the terminal window title meant to change when you SSH in to something?
10:14<stevem_>it used to :S
10:15<Oscaracciato>I have a problem on a lenny installation. i am a newbie. may i ask?
10:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:15<themill>!win dr|z3d
10:15<dpkg>Congratulations, dr|z3d! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
10:16<jm_>stevem_: probably your prompt/shell startup file did it
10:16<hacknick>what is it?? HOST NOTIFICATION: nagios;gw;DOWN;host-notify-by-epager;CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (
10:16<hacknick>[1256564432] HOST NOTIFICATION: nagios;gw;DOWN;host-notify-by-email;CRITICAL - Host Unreachable (
10:16<locklace>stevem_: read the docs for your terminal. xterm at least can set the title based on receiving certain escape sequences; other terminals have followed suit
10:16<hacknick>please help me
10:16*dr|z3d fashions some fetching aol cd earrings for themill.
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10:16<locklace>hacknick: maybe you should read the nagios documentation
10:17<hacknick>where is?
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10:20<Oscaracciato>I've installed a DEbian 5.0.3 from a netinstall cd. The installation worked fine, but when i rebooted the pc, WM try to run with a resolution that is not supported by my monitor. i press shift-alt-F1 and i got a terminal, i can login as user or root without problem. what should i do into terminal to tell the right resolution to my debian? i tryied to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf, "Screen" section, but with no soluti
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10:27<eeeuser>Oscaracciato: try pasting your xorg.conf into a pastebin
10:27<eeeuser>Someone might see it and see an error.
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10:29<eeeuser>that is, if you can copy it from the machine (eg scp, ftp or a removable disk)
10:29<Oscaracciato>I'm connectin from another pc: in "Device" there is only Identifier "Configured Video Device". In "Monitor" there is only Identifier "Configured Monitor"
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10:29<Oscaracciato>in Section "Screen"
10:29<Oscaracciato>Identifier "Default Screen"
10:30<Oscaracciato>Monitor "Configured Monitor"
10:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
10:30<Oscaracciato>ehm, sorry
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10:37<claudio>hello to everybody
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10:38<Oscaracciato>ciao claudio ^_^
10:38<Guest489>ahh italano ^_^
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10:39<Guest489>è l prima volta che vengo in questa chat
10:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:40<eeeuser>Oscaracciato: I'm no xorg guru, but your xorg.conf might be missing a ":" after SubSection "display"
10:40<Guest489>ah okok grz...ora giro un pokino :D
10:40<eeeuser>Not sure it matters though.
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10:41<eeeuser>No it doesnt.
10:41<eeeuser>man xorg.conf tells me so.
10:41<Oscaracciato>really? i found some examples here and there and i didn't notice any : after subsection
10:41<Oscaracciato>ah ok
10:41<Oscaracciato>(thank you themill)
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10:42<eeeuser>Quoting "man xorg.conf" It is possible to switch to the next mode with Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Plus and to the previous mode with Ctrl+Alt+Keypad-Minus.
10:42<Oscaracciato>maybe should i edit also "monitor" section?
10:43<Oscaracciato>eeeuser thanks, i didn't notice this quote into man
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10:45<Guest489>i'm thinking to use the version 4 of back track....what do you think??...i never try this type of SO
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10:47<locklace>Oscaracciato: look at the "obtaining modelines" section
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10:49<m_g>guys, im trying to upgrade sysv-rc and need to get rid of the "script X missing lSB tags and overrides" errors but i'm not sure what to put in the init.d headers. is there a common source for these headers?
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10:51<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
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10:51<m_g>locklace, e.g. insserv: warning: script '' missing LSB tags and overrides
10:51<Oscaracciato>thank you locklace
10:51<Oscaracciato>i'm reading it
10:52<locklace>m_g: my hwclockfirst script in squeeze is fine. is your system up to date?
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10:53<m_g>locklace, i'm using testing with most of the packages up to date. which package is hwclockfirst in so i can check if i have the latest version?
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10:54<m_g>locklace, i have 2.16.1-4.. and you?
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10:55<locklace>same. anyway, that message is just a warning
10:55<themill>If you've ever modified that file, then it won't be upgraded.
10:55<m_g>yep it is a warning but sysv-rc can't run the migration script because of that
10:55<m_g>themill, any way to reset it to the distribution version?
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10:57<themill>m_g: is there a .dpkg-new file in /etc/init.d ?
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10:57<m_g>just to be sure, my system is still bootable with the old init.d scripts, right?
10:57<m_g>themill, hold on
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10:57<m_g>no there isn't
10:58<m_g>there are different files.. one with .dpkg-dist
10:58<themill>dist, new, .... whatever :)
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10:58<m_g>themill, ah! can i rename the dist file to safely?
10:58<m_g>i don't recall having done changes to it
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10:59<themill>Sometimes dpkg gets it wrong about whether you've changed the file. Keep the old one around in case there was some profound, important modification in there that you will want again.
10:59<themill>But yes, you can move the old one out of the way and bring back in the .dpkg-dist file
10:59<Slonko>hi quick Q about GDB, when it breaks, how do you make it display more than just one line of source?
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11:00<m_g>themill, ok will do that, thanks! one more thing.. i have a custom file in init.d for starting something and don't know what to put in the header there. is there generic code for it?
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11:01<m_g>same for "libdevmapper1.02" which doesn't have a dpkg-dist file
11:02<themill>hmmm... I read a description of all this the other day but can't find it now.
11:02<themill>m_g: istr that one is left over from an old version of the package (look inside and check what it actually does)
11:02<sergos>i cant get my touchpad scroll to work properly. ive tried everything ive found on google but no matter what i do it still doesnt work. i know it is detected because when X is started i can scroll for like a second and then it stops working. anyone knows how to fix this?
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11:03<themill>m_g: also check to see if it's actually called in any of your run levels
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11:03<eeeuser>Slonko: list
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11:04<m_g>themill, thanks! i will check it out for my own script.. regarding the libdevmapper it is safe to be removed if it doesn't appear in any of the rcX.d directories, right?
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11:04<m_g>(it modprobes some modules apparently)
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11:05<m_g>themill, the libdevmapper is in rcS.d
11:05<themill>m_g: yeah, kill it off. That can be done in /etc/modules or by udev these days. (that's a left over from sarge or etch)
11:05<Slonko>thanks eeeuser, but I dont think you can make list automatically display when you break right? you have to type list
11:05<m_g>themill, ok so i just remove it from rcS.d and init.d and udev does it automatically?
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11:07<themill>m_g: yeah, I believe that's find these days. That init script isn't even in the lenny version of the package (it's from etch from what I can see).
11:07<m_g>or do i have to add the modules to /etc/modules? namely dm-mod dm-mirror dm-snapshot
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11:08<eeeuser>Slonko: Not sure.
11:08<themill>m_g: I *think* you're fine to just get rid of it but I'm by no means an expert with devmapper. (at least you know what modules you need to add it if borks!)
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11:08<eeeuser>I usually just keep two windows open. one debugger and one source.
11:09<SQlvpapir>what happened to ipmasq?
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11:14<m_g>themill, ok thanks a lot. i can't find information regarding if it's ok to remove the file but i will keep it in case something goes wrong :)
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11:15<themill>m_g: as I said... left over from etch, not in lenny, should be quite safe to kill it off
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11:17<m_g>themill, oh one thing.. if lsmod doesn't show the modules from libdevmapper removing the file is 100% safe, isn't it?
11:17<m_g>there's no dm* in lsmod
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11:18<themill>m_g: that's a bit odd though as they should have been loaded by that init script...
11:19<m_g>maybe it hasn't been executed because it's just in rcS.d?
11:19<m_g>in any case, if they haven't been loaded i think i don't need them? :)
11:19<themill>presumably, yeah
11:20<m_g>ok thanks!
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11:48<Oscaracciato>thanks eeeuser and themill
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11:48<Ronis_BR>hi all
11:48<Oscaracciato>i've managed to login and run wm
11:48<Ronis_BR>my debian always ask me to run fsck manually because the time is wrong
11:48<Ronis_BR>how can I fix it?
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11:48<Oscaracciato>i've still to work on it but you've been great help to me.
11:49<locklace>Ronis_BR: set the time right
11:49<Ronis_BR>locklace: it is right
11:49<Ronis_BR>locklace: it is 13:49 BRST now, but on boot it compares with 11:49 for some reason
11:49<Ronis_BR>locklace: hwclock is 13:49 too
11:50<Ronis_BR>ntpd is running
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11:51<cahoot>not dualbooting?
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11:52<Ronis_BR>I boot debian, than it says to run fsck manually, than I reboot and it boots fine. If I reboot again, the problem continues
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11:52<cahoot>system set to use utc?
11:53<Ronis_BR>cahoot: I set to use Sao_Paulo time zone
11:53<Ronis_BR>cahoot: not sure, how can I see this?
11:53<cahoot>in /etc/default/rcS
11:54<Ronis_BR>should I change to yes?
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11:55<cahoot>the utc yes - the other - no opinion
11:56<Ronis_BR>I will try
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12:00<Ronis_BR>man, setting UTC=yes makes the problem stop, but my clock is wrong :D
12:00<Ronis_BR>my clock is new 12:00 instead 14:00
12:00<cahoot>!set the time
12:00<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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12:02<Chetic>how do I set both geometry=<width>x<height> and geometry=<x>:<y> in mplayer?
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12:07<Ronis_BR>UTC=yes doesn't seems to make any difference
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12:07<Ronis_BR>it always start with wrong clock (-2 hours) until ntp correct it
12:07<cahoot>hwclock --show ?
12:08<Ronis_BR>14:08:08 BRST (the true time)
12:08<Ronis_BR>when I reboot it shows 12:08 BRST
12:08<Ronis_BR>and than is corrected by ntp
12:08<cahoot>and date?
12:08<Ronis_BR>26 Out
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12:10<Ronis_BR>cahoot: any ideas?
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12:10<cahoot>does hwclock --show and date display the same time?
12:11<Ronis_BR>and the same timezone
12:11<cahoot>and that's the correct time atm?
12:11<Ronis_BR>it is the correct
12:11<cahoot>run hwclock --systohc and see
12:12<Ronis_BR>ok I'll see
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12:12<themill>This isn't one of these horrid hwclocks that wants nolapic or similar is it?
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12:14<cahoot>he should get an error in that case - no?
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12:15<dr|z3d>themill: Remind my rusty memory.. nolapic disables networking?
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12:16<dpkg>i guess apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs.
12:17<Ronis_BR>cahoot: I found a strange message on reboot: Hardware clock cannot be accessed by any know method
12:17<dr|z3d>Ah, not that then.. what's the switch to disable networking?
12:17<themill>dr|z3d: dpkg isn't enlightening, but no...
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12:21<Chetic>anybody know how to make mplayer fullscreen only stretch from 0,0 to 1360,768?
12:21<Chetic>it's the only reasonable way I can find to play movies on the tv
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12:23<tuxcrafter>hi all, does somebody has a good howto on making netbios broadcast work with a debian pptp server?
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12:23<dr|z3d>themill: So, any idea what the "no networking" switch is?
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12:24<Ronis_BR>when I run console-screen, only the current screen got the right font and charmap, the others still wrong, how can I fix it?
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12:29<faheem>!emacs doc
12:30<faheem>!emacs documentation
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12:34<Ronis_BR>any ideas about the problem of console-screen?
12:34<Ronis_BR>I found the problem with the clock, RTC wasn't enabled on kernel
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12:49<Ronis_BR>can anyone help me with console-fonts?
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12:51<faheem>Ronis_BR: ask the question
12:52<Ronis_BR>faheem: I have already asked :)
12:52<Ronis_BR>but ok, when I run console-setup, only the current tty get right fonts and keyboard maps
12:52<Ronis_BR>the others continue using wrong charsets
12:53<faheem>locklace: thanks. was looking for the debian package. found it.
12:53<faheem>Ronis_BR: can you elaborate on what console setup is?
12:53<faheem>excuse my ignorance
12:54<faheem>i've never used it
12:54<faheem>Ronis_BR: my immediate thought is whether you tried deleting and recreating
12:54<faheem>the other consoles, i mean
12:54<faheem>is this in X?
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12:55<faheem>oh, i see this is not X
12:56<faheem>maybe you need to run console setup in the other terminals, or reboot? often such changes don't take effect automatically
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12:57<Chetic>anybody know how to make mplayer fullscreen only display the video from coordinates 0,0 to 1360,768?
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12:59<Ronis_BR>faheem: no, it isn't in X
12:59<Ronis_BR>faheem: what do you mean deleting and recreating?
13:00<faheem>Ronis_BR: makes no sense in this context
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13:00<faheem>Ronis_BR: tried rebooting?
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13:00<faheem>or first just try logging out and in of the tty(s) in question?
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13:03<Ronis_BR>faheem: yes
13:03<Ronis_BR>faheem: and yes
13:03<Ronis_BR>faheem: the strange is, everything goes fine it I use UTF-8 locale
13:03<Ronis_BR>like the others consoles are using UTF-8 by default
13:04<faheem>Ronis_BR: so rebooting doesn't help? crap
13:04<faheem>Ronis_BR: as a last resort, consider filing a bug report
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13:08<Ronis_BR>faheem: I will
13:08<Ronis_BR>faheem: I have moved from gentoo
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13:08<Ronis_BR>I have used debian 7 years ago :D so I am a little lost here :D
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13:08<Ronis_BR>faheem: but I'm using SID, so I can contribute with the project
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13:09<Slonko>i have lenny, want to export nfs share to anyone on local subnet, what do i need in /etc/exports?
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13:10<Slonko>I currently have "/home/dan/9302,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)"
13:11<Slonko>I want to share /home/dan/9302 you see
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13:12<Ronis_BR>faheem: but don't worry, it will be fine when I install kde
13:12<Ronis_BR>faheem: btw, do you know how to let debian more colorful? :D
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13:19<dkr>customize your themes
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13:20<zzza>Hello people I have a strange problem with my notebook (using Lenny). At each boot three windows open: one is the "terminal" window, and two others are login pages to e-mail services. What should I do to get rid of this? these three aare not listed in the "startup programs" list e
13:20<zzza>any help?
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13:22<Slonko>thanks locklace, i had looked in ther and couldnt find it but a second look worked :)
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13:30<zzza>Hello people I have a strange problem with my notebook (using Lenny). At each boot three windows open: one is the "terminal" window, and two others are login pages to e-mail services. What should I do to get rid of this? these three are not listed in the "startup programs" list ; any help?
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13:31<bja>zzza: What wm are you using?
13:32<bja>zzza: try closing all windows and saving the session. That should fix the problem
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13:32<zzza>do you mean saving the session in the "startup menu" or somewhere else?
13:33<zzza>sorry ine the "session preference"?
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13:33<Titan8990>should be an option around the session statup
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13:34<zzza>bja: I mean how does one "save the session"?
13:34<bja>zzza: Titan8990 i believe is right, its been a long time since I last usesd gnome
13:35<Titan8990>same, i was pretty much guessing lol
13:35<zzza>what do u use then guys? ))
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13:35<Titan8990>zzza, you may be able to google or just click around until you find it
13:35<Titan8990>i use XFCE
13:36<zzza>ok i will try and report
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13:39<zzza>bja, Titan8990: thx for the help! the magic has worked ))
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13:40<zzza>this was the button "remember currently running applications". I guess I should nt touch it an more
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13:50<zumbi>is it posible to bootstrap gentoo distribution inside Debian?
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13:50<dpkg>from memory, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also or ask me about <greenhouse>. , or rice rice rice rice, or, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo on
13:51<ichdasich>zumbi: yes
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13:51<dpkg>-funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See
13:51<zumbi>ichdasich: how
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13:52<ichdasich>zumbi: figure it out.
13:52<zumbi>ichdasich: hint me? using debootstrap or downloading gentoo tarballs?
13:53<ichdasich>zumbi: nevermind.
13:53<zumbi>ichdasich: ok - thanks anyway
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14:29<Chetic>anybody know how to make mplayer only display the video from coordinates 0,0 to 1360,768 in fullscreen?
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14:32<zumbi>ichdasich: ok, got it.. it was easy :=
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14:51<valdyn>Chetic: see "crop" in the manpage
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14:53<Chetic>valdyn: I meant only stretch the video window from 0,0 to 1360,768 when in fullscreen, not crop it
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14:53<valdyn>Chetic: what is that supposed to mean?
14:54<Chetic>start a video, press f
14:54<Chetic>the video will be played in the upper left corner of the screen (since my resolution is 1680x1050)
14:55<valdyn>Chetic: whats your X driver? vesa?
14:55<valdyn>Chetic: mplayer -vo xv somemovie.avi
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14:56<Chetic>and then?
14:56<valdyn>Chetic: then it should be scaled up automagically
14:56<Chetic>I want it to be scaled at a different size than my current resolution
14:56<valdyn>Chetic: unless you xv is for some reason broken
14:56<locklace>do the -x, -y, -zoom options not do what you want
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14:56<valdyn>Chetic: i dont understand what you want still
14:56<valdyn>Chetic: you actually want it to be displayed only in a corner?
14:57<valdyn>Chetic: why the hell would you need fullscreen then?
14:57<Chetic>cause that's what my TV displays
14:57<valdyn>Chetic: i see
14:57<Chetic>locklace: I haven't tried -zoom
14:57<valdyn>zoom isnt what he wants though, the movie is still centered when zoomed
14:58<Chetic>ah yeah just found out..
14:58<Chetic>I've done this a few years back, I know it can be done
14:58<valdyn>Chetic: what you really want probably is having 2 X screens instead of a mirror
14:59<valdyn>Chetic: you can also just resize and move a windowed mplayer
14:59<Chetic>I want it to be ready to go by just opening any file
15:00<Chetic>I haven't found a way to make it act like dualview in windows, where it treats the two monitors as two different screens
15:00<valdyn>Chetic: read the nvidia documentation
15:00<Chetic>I'm pretty sure the nvidia-settings application would let me do so if possible
15:01<valdyn>Chetic: it IS possible
15:01<valdyn>Chetic: and nvidia-settings didnt exist when I did it the first time
15:01<locklace>Chetic: -geometry will let you specify the initial location of the window
15:01<Chetic>same here
15:01<valdyn>ah, good one
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15:01<Chetic>locklace: not in the upper left corner
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15:01<Chetic>cause of window decorations, and the gnome panel
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15:02<valdyn>uh, -geometry should work in fullscreen
15:02<locklace>a real window manager lets you disable decorations
15:02<locklace>my mplayer windows are always undecorated
15:03<Chetic>yeah I could live with that
15:03<dkr>mine are always fullscreen. :)
15:03<Chetic>but I like the panel up there
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15:31<brody>how do i use this
15:32<locklace>type stuff into it. insults will magically appear on your screen in response
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15:43<achury>Abiword has released a new stable branch 2.8 available as source. I hope to see an updated dabian package soon...
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15:44<dr|zed>achury: For some definition of soon, you will.
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15:46<sney>achury: just because some developer team has designated their own software "stable" does not mean that the same debian meaning applies.
15:46<sney>it needs to go through the pipes first.
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15:57<ebanders>when trying to set a route using "route add" I get 'NET/ROM: this needs to be written'
15:57<ebanders>has anyone ever encountered this?
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15:57<jupe>use instead "ip route add <ip> via <gateway>"
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15:58<ebanders>use "via" instead of the "gw" keyword?
15:58<jupe>no, use the "ip" command instead of "route"
15:58<jupe>route is deprecated; ip is the way now
15:58<jupe>man ip
15:59<jupe>if you want to add a route to the class C through your gateway, type "ip route add via"
15:59<ebanders>juanfer: many thanks
15:59<ebanders>jupe: many thanks
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16:12<tuxcrafter>how do i select all ppp interfaces in a iptable firewall rules except ppp0 i know ppp+ is all
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16:29<f1ash>hi, I removed my /usr/local/share/emacs/ directory, now I get warnigs like:
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16:29<f1ash>Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp' does not exist.
16:30<f1ash>how can I regenerate the dirs?
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16:30<f1ash>I couldn't find them with "dpkg -S directory"
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16:31<jupe>try apt-get with --reinstall?
16:31<f1ash>the warnings occur when starting emacs of course
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16:32<jupe>i.e.: apt-get --reinstall install emacs
16:32<Titan8990_>jupe, thats not going to do much since "emacs" is a virtual package
16:32<jupe>s/emacs/<pkg name>/
16:32<f1ash>jupe: I tried this with aptitude (reinstall emacs23)
16:33<Titan8990_>23? which version of debian are you on?
16:33<f1ash>Titan8990: squeeze
16:34<f1ash>reinstallation gives: install/cmake-data: Byte-compiling for emacs23
16:34<Mr-R>f1ash: oh. its easy then. restore from backup... :)
16:34<f1ash>Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp' does not exist.
16:35<jupe>mkdir /usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp
16:35<f1ash>Mr-R: well, I didn't observe any problems without, just wondered how they get there...
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16:36<jupe>that dir (well, for 21.4 on my system) is empty
16:36<Mr-R>f1ash: every dir in /usr/local/share/emacs here is an emtpy dir (lenny)
16:36<jupe>i'd just recreate it by hand to silence the warning
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16:37<Mr-R>f1ash: so, just create the dir and be done, i would think...
16:37*jupe nods
16:37<jupe>or figure out how to inhibit looking for that dir in ~/.emacs
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16:38<f1ash>ok, so I'll do that, thanks. But it would be interesting how they get there in the fist place...
16:38<xente> there a package for 64-bit machines that installs nvidia glx for 32 bits?
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16:41<indigo6>Ok, quick question -- I'm having a problem running Opera, has to do with a missing and I'm thinking if I install sun-java6 packages it will be fixed. Should I also remove openjdk-6 packages, or will that cause more problems?
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16:43<indigo6>xente: the nvidia driver from the main site can be looked up by video chipset -- the 64 bit installer includes 32 bit compatability
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16:44<xente>indigo6: you are saying the 64bit package contains the 32bit drivers too?
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16:45<indigo6>xente: you can download the 32 bit drivers... if I remeber right, the 64 bit driver uses ia32...
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16:45<xente>indigo6: ok..I'll check it ou
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16:47<rjent>Greetings, what is the best way to list all partition labels for disks attached on a system?
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16:49<cahoot>rjent: look into /dev/disk/by-label?
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16:51<rjent>cahoot: Greetings. Odd it does not show any info on my sda would that be because they have no label?
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16:54<rjent>cahoot: In any event I think that will work. I was messing around with blkid but you suggestion is much easier :) Many thanks.
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17:00<overflow>hi, somebody could tell my why this command: debootstrap --verbose --arch=i386 etch jaula-testing gets E: Invalid Release file, no valid components Error ?
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17:00<Lethalman>overflow, what's jaula-testing?
17:01<overflow>Lethalman: directory
17:01<indigo6>Is it just ??
17:01<indigo6>minus the .us
17:01<Lethalman>as the error says there's a corruption problem with release file of that directory, try another mirror
17:02<overflow>Lethalman: I already did :s
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17:02<overflow>indigo6: same without .us.
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17:03<indigo6>oh, ok... thanks - I've seen both, but my sources.list doesn't have the us/non-us bits... was wondering about that
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17:04<indigo6>On an old distribution, I changed that file, including removing the /debian at the end.. that's the only way I got it to work
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17:06<overflow>indigo6: same with debootstrap --verbose --arch=i386 squeeze jaula
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17:06<indigo6>Hmmm... wish i could help -- as it is, I gave up on my project of bring an old distro up to date in a virtual machine...
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17:33<valdyn>overflow: you should bootstrap stable and upgrade later
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17:41<klando>Hi, what tool do you like to initiate a debian/ in orde to create a new package ?
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17:42<klando>dpkg tell me about packaging
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17:43<vasco2009>hello, my nfs server doesn't stop, is it a bug, someone know how to fix it
17:45<locklace>it's a feature
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17:45<locklace>after world war 3, the only things that will be left alive are cockroaches and nfs
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17:46<vasco2009>do you know a better system to share files for a web cluster ?
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17:46<klando>define better :)
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17:47<vasco2009>more secure
17:47<vasco2009>easy to use
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17:48<klando>nfs + krb5 is secure, easy to use
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17:50<vasco2009>klando the init script in lenny doesn't work to stop nfsd, do you now if it's a bug ?
17:52<klando>you stilll have exports mounted
17:52<klando>anyway check your logs
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17:56<vasco2009>klando there is nothing in syslog
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18:04<lucas_DF>alguien conce
18:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:05<lucas_DF>soy nuevo aqui alguien que me ayude
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18:05<lucas_DF>cual es el tama principal d esto
18:06<lucas_DF>alguna chica del sur del df
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18:07<franki^>oops, already done
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18:08<eugney>Any idea why yesterday when i install the ATI drivers from the site they work today it tells me Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
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18:45<locklace>!pie interbird
18:45*dpkg hits interbird in the face with a cream pie
18:46<nr9nm9no9>anyone: the way to paste in here is "/msg dpkg paste" w/o the quotes?
18:47<locklace>the way to paste is to go to and paste there
18:47<nr9nm9no9>ok i got some suspicious msgs when updating just now--going to post them there
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18:51<nr9nm9no9>is this as hinky as it looks?--------->
18:51<nr9nm9no9>some sort of man in the middle thuing going on here?
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18:53<locklace> is one of the addresses of
18:54<nr9nm9no9>ok so whats the untrusted packages warning about?
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18:57<themill>nr9nm9no9: what's the version of "debian-archive-keyring" on your machine?
18:57<locklace>nr9nm9no9: does it still happen after you do an aptitude update && aptitude install debian-archive-keyring?
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18:58<nr9nm9no9>i will have to get back about that--this is another install of lenny on the same puter--which i just updated without the redirects and the untrusted packages warning
18:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:01<nr9nm9no9>say--doesnt update update the archive keyring?
19:02<themill>nr9nm9no9: "upgrade" does, not update. The package was updated 6 months ago though.
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19:03<nr9nm9no9>ok themill--ive updated that install a few times in the last couple weeks w/o any messages like that...
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19:04<themill>nr9nm9no9: looking at that output again, it's more likely you've just hit a mirror that's having issues at the moment. That means that the Releases file and signature are missing from your local machine after that failed update and so now it's having a cry.
19:04<nr9nm9no9>all right its just a server error rather than something sinister then
19:05<themill>I suspect so. Either another mirror pulse or just another attempt will solve it.
19:05<nr9nm9no9>seems wierd tho--that i switched to this install and it is in the process of downloading things w/o the redirects and the untrusted packages warning
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19:06<nr9nm9no9>and actually i answered 'no' to that question and re-attempted it several times
19:06<themill>You're probably getting another mirror in the round robin
19:06<nr9nm9no9>and the 1st attempt on this install worked w/o any trouble
19:06<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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19:07<themill>nr9nm9no9: you might like to pick a mirror that's closer to you and not on the round-robin.
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19:08<nr9nm9no9>themill: as i'm a truck driver and always on the road--i'm not always 'closest' to any particular u.s. server all the time
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19:08<themill>ahh fair enough
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19:10<nr9nm9no9>and since my 3g phone likes to connect to new jersey even tho i'm in texas or vice versa--it makes things even more scattershot
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19:12<nr9nm9no9>right now i am on a wifi at atruckstop which is why i immediately thought maybe something devious was going on
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19:15<themill>nr9nm9no9: some sort of transparent proxy not behaving quite right in such a situation could also cause that sort of mess.
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19:16<nr9nm9no9>well these open wifis at these places always have something wierd about them--thats why i quit using them for the most part--i got this access for reward points--thus its 'free' or i wouldnt be on it
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19:18<nr9nm9no9>if i use konqueror instead of weasel/fox there's ALWAYS some warning about invalid certificates
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19:22<nr9nm9no9>ty for your help themill my update on this install is done 'm gouing back to the other and try what yousuggested
19:22<nr9nm9no9>*i'm going back
19:22<themill>no worries. good luck with it
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19:35<overflow>valdyn: same error with lenny
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19:37<martinmorris>hi there i've just installed debian 5 on my new netbook and it's working fine except that i can't see to configure my wireless network
19:38<martinmorris>the device is recognised but i can't seem to get any further, any advice?
19:38<abrotman>does it require firmware ?
19:38<klando>dpkg tell me about mentor
19:38<martinmorris>i can't see why it would - i have a wlan0 interface
19:39<dpkg>mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
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19:40<martinmorris>anybody able to advise me?
19:40<abrotman>martinmorris: that doesn't mean it doesn't need firmware
19:40<abrotman>martinmorris: lspci -nn .. what is the device ?
19:41<martinmorris>two secs
19:41<klando>and what netbook
19:41<sney>I bet it's the ath5k issue
19:41<sney>needs 2.6.29 or later, lenny has 2.6.26
19:41<martinmorris>it sure is sney :)
19:41<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
19:41<martinmorris>it's an atheros ar5007eg adaptor
19:41<sney>get the 2.6.30 kernel from backports, problem solved
19:42<martinmorris>not 2.6.29?
19:42<martinmorris>which I've just upgraded to?
19:42<sney>2.6.30 is more widely used
19:42<abrotman>martinmorris: where did you get aht kernel ?
19:42<martinmorris>actually from the ubuntu website
19:42<abrotman>martinmorris: on debian ?
19:42<martinmorris>i'd understood they worked on both
19:42<sney>try to use official debian stuff >_>
19:42<martinmorris>fair enough
19:43<abrotman>why do people think that they can mix packages from other distros ?
19:43<martinmorris>well, i'm fairly new to this - so still learning abrotman :)
19:43<sney>abrotman: to many people, linux is linux, and all the internal stuff is black magic and voodoo... so if it's a .deb it's a .deb
19:43<klando>and it is :-D
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19:43<martinmorris>ill get the official stuff now
19:43<abrotman>martinmorris: if something said it only worked on windows Vista, would you try to kludge it onto Win2k ?
19:44<martinmorris>yes abrotman, i probably would if i couldn't find any other answer :)
19:44<sney>never mind that aptitude throws a conniption fit if you install a deb from somewhere else and there's a funky dependency issue
19:44<martinmorris>anyway, going to go to 2.6.30 now
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19:44<sney>I've got 2.6.30 on my EEE 1000HA and it works beautifully
19:44<martinmorris>as it happens i'm a mac user anyway - not a windows person as you assume :)
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19:48<martinmorris>ok, before i go any further, on this machine which has no network connections, is there a good guide to what i need to download to upgrade the kernel?
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19:53<martinmorris>the reason i ask is that i see all the packages for 2.6.30 are unstable or testing and i'm running stable. does that matter?
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19:54<sney>that's what backports are. they're packages from testing and unstable that have been back ported to work with stable.
19:55<martinmorris>right, thanks
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19:57<martinmorris>just that package sney?
19:57<sney>martinmorris: please do not /msg without asking first. the link above shows the dependencies required. linux-headers is optional unless you're compiling other modules
19:57<martinmorris>ok got that thanks
19:58<martinmorris>never having been here before you'll appreciate i don't know all the etiquette :)
19:58<sney> is a good read
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19:59<martinmorris>thank you
19:59<sney>no problem
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20:01<overflow>hey.. please can someone tell me why when I run this debootstrap --verbose --arch=i386 etch jaula I got E: Invalid Release file, no valid components ??
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20:05<martinmorris>oh dear, rebooted into that kernel, have a wlan0 adaptor when i 'ifconfig -a' but not in the network tools GUI - any ideas?
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20:05<iTux_76>Sorry for my bad English, I am French
20:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
20:06<adb>!tell iTux_76 -about flash
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20:08<iTux_76>I know, but at this time, people sleeping ^^
20:08<sney>too bad there's no Quebec channel.
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20:12<abrotman>they just can't respect anywhere ...
20:15<ghantoos>iTux_76: i'm on #debian-fr, and still awake :)
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20:15<ghantoos>(not for long though..)
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20:15<user01>is there a linux equivalent of the game rummikub?
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20:18<abrotman>user01: you mean like just rummy?
20:18<user01>abrotman, i guess something like that but with tiles
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20:19<abrotman>the tiles aren't really important ..
20:19<user01>abrotman, for my girlfriend they are
20:19*abrotman gives the girlfriend a python GUI programming guide
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20:21<abrotman>i know what rummikub is
20:21<abrotman>or rummikube .. depending which version you had
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20:21*user01 sleeps on couch
20:22<user01>i dont know what it is
20:22<user01>i just read about it
20:22<user01>i only know the card game
20:22<abrotman>user01: it's basically like playing Rummy, but with dominoes instead of cards
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20:23<user01>i should dump her then
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20:23<abrotman>just get her to play cribbage .. jeez
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20:25<user01>actually my favourite game is still koules
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20:26<user01>nothing beats the menace of the great apple polisher
20:26<tux007>Iam am setting up a system by using tftp
20:26<tux007>but the booting system stops at this point:
20:26<tux007>Loading (PXE)done
20:26<tux007>an nothing more is displayed
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20:27<tux007>I used the original settings which are on the ftp netinstall netboot directory ...
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20:29<tux007>I only make one option: console=ttyS0,38400n8 in the append row
20:30<tux007>is there anybody out there?
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20:56<curtis>Has anyone got the Tarus mini-usb bluetooth adapter to work on any linux distro?
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21:00<tux007>here is nobody .....
21:00<tux007>total emty
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21:01<tux007>curtis, do you know some things about tftp?
21:01<curtis>Er, I know what it is...why?
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21:02<tux007>[01:26] tux007: Iam am setting up a system by using tftp
21:02<tux007>[01:26] tux007: but the booting system stops at this point:
21:02<tux007>[01:26] tux007: Loading (PXE)done
21:02<tux007>[01:26] tux007: an nothing more is displayed
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21:12<bighornram>running squeeze when I start wine I get the warning that libnss-mdns is installed but lib32nss-mdns is not. Says to install lib32nss-mdns but it already is installed. I tried a re-install but still not recognizing it as installed. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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21:17<sdsdsd>Does anyone use HP50g on Debian, or know where can i get help? (im squeeze AMD64, self compiled hptalx, kernel module on)
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21:20<prahal>sdsdsd, I use hp48gx
21:20<prahal>on i386 though
21:20<sdsdsd>do you use hptalx?
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21:21<sdsdsd>when i try conect as common user, i get a "calculator not know", if i try as root it conects, but after that it closes )
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21:22<prahal>yes I was this summer (remnber it behing rather pedantic on what to do to not have it crash
21:23<sdsdsd>they told that as common user i cant conect, how to give permission to use ttyUSB0 ?
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21:23<Lillymon>Why won't KDE let me move the Wine folder in my KDE menu? It's at the top and I want it at the bottom. But if I use the Menu Editor to do this, it creates a new folder at the position I move it to called "wine-wine" and moves the original back to the top.
21:23<sdsdsd>do you know how to debug hptalx?
21:23<Lillymon>I'm tempted to delete the menu entry, but I do actually use it sometimes.
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21:26<sdsdsd>prahal, do you know how to debug hptalx and/or get some help?
21:27<prahal>sdsdsd, I just tried again to fresh up my memories ... I am in the dialout group which is what ttyUSB0 is under on my system
21:27<sdsdsd>how to grant my user acess to ttyUSB0?
21:27<prahal>set the rate as 9600 (for hp48gx at least it was best)
21:28<prahal>sdsdsd, adduser <youruser> dialout then logout login
21:28<Lillymon>I'm now trying to make a 'Wine2' folder, move everything there and then delete 'Wine'. I get the impression KDE is actually fighting to keep the original.
21:28<sdsdsd>yes i kept the lower rate first,
21:28<prahal>better check via ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0 that this is dialout the group
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21:32<sdsdsd>ok, now i get the same error from root, after conecting it simply closes
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21:33<sdsdsd>how to remove my user from dialuut btw?
21:34<prahal>have you deleted the iopar on the memory of the hp side ... I also cannot tell htalkx is 64 ready
21:34<faheem>sdsdsd: man deluser
21:34<faheem>deluser user group
21:35<sdsdsd>ty faheem
21:36<sdsdsd>there are no way to debug hptalx? if i can maybe i can found some answer
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21:36<Lillymon>Well after laborious moving everything from Wine to Wine2, then deleting Wine and renaming Wine2 to Wine, the new folder is now showing the same damn problem.
21:36<prahal>sdsdsd, gdb ? strace, valgrind for the most common tools
21:38<sdsdsd>can u tell me how to use some of that?
21:38<Lillymon>So I don't know what to do now.
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21:40<prahal>sdsdsd, the basics yes . "gdb hptalx" then run the program . It is highely likely you will see a SIGSEGV error , then type bt you will see the list of functions that leaded to the crash
21:41<sdsdsd>i tried gdb hptalx but it doesnt started
21:41<prahal>do you have gdb installed ?
21:42<sdsdsd>it apperars a gdb prompt
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21:42<prahal>oups sorry I forgot to tell to type "r" at the gdb prompt
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21:42<prahal>for "run"
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21:44<jiohdi>how long does it take debian to catch up to current stable packages like Gimp 2.6?
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21:44<sdsdsd>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
21:44<sdsdsd>0x00007ffff4ec61f0 in strlen () from /lib/
21:44<e2_>hi... i'm a bit of a newb to debian.. 32bit lenny.. after an update kdm wont start... I have to su ... kdm getting bootclean Failure cleaning /var/run... cannot create /var/run/kdm/Xaccess and Stale NFS file handle on boot.. Any ideas?
21:45<jiohdi>e2_: check the permissions, sounds like root took over something
21:45<prahal>sdsdsd, type "bt" it will show you more
21:45<prahal>for "backtrace"
21:46<e2_>jiohdi, could you tell me what permissions /var should have please?
21:47<jiohdi>e2_: check its current permissions and see if there is anyone with write and/or execute status, if not, you can give it
21:47<prahal>e2_, drwxr-xr-x
21:48<e2_>jiohdi, prahal /var/run has drwxr-xr-x
21:48<prahal>sdsdsd, you should compile hptalx with -g and -O0 CFLAGS
21:48<jiohdi>looks right
21:49<jiohdi>who owns it?
21:49<sdsdsd>like checkinstall -g -O0 CFLAGS
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21:49<e2_>jiohdi, root:root
21:49<jiohdi>e2_: give yourself ownership and see if that fixes it
21:50<prahal>sdsdsd, him like CFLAGS="-g -O0" ./configure <etc> the make then checkinstall as usual
21:50<e2_>jiohdi, k... bbl thanks..
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21:51<prahal>I hoe checkinstall does nto strip binaries that s all . I won't be available to help further along as it is too late there (or a bit early would be more appropriate
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21:54<sdsdsd>calculator type not know
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21:54<interbird>sdsdsd: Sorry, i just "barged in" and did not follow the 'chat'; But it seems your prog gets core-dumped and if you have the source you would be able to pinpoint the cause...
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21:56<sdsdsd>interbird how?
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21:56<e2_>jiohdi, still boot to prompt... after I.. debian:/home/e2# chown e2:e2 -hR /var/run
21:56<e2_>chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/kdm/kdmrc': Stale NFS file handle
21:56<e2_>chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/kdm/Xaccess': Stale NFS file handle
21:56<e2_>chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/kdm/backgroundrc': Stale NFS file handle
21:56<e2_>chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/kdm/Xreset': Stale NFS file handle
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21:57<user01>is there a command to see if i have a DMA-compatible hard drive?
21:57<interbird>sdsdsd: strace <proggie>
21:57<interbird>sdsdsd: or get the source by: apt-get <proggie>
21:58<sdsdsd>prahal after changing the flags like you said, it said dont know calculator even in root
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21:59<sdsdsd>interbird i have already the source
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21:59<prahal>sdsdsd, uh weird ... have you used the same ./configure switches as before (that is only adding CFLAGS="-g-O0" before ./configure . WHat is after depends
22:00<e2_>jiohdi, oops i got kicked for flood... basically still had to type kdm.. debian:/home/e2# chown e2:e2 -hR /var/run
22:00<e2_>chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/kdm/kdmrc': Stale NFS file handle
22:00<prahal>because all those CFLAGS do are to prevent the compilation from removing valuable informations to reduce size
22:01<interbird>sdsdsd: Well, then I assume you compiled and installed it. Then you can trace where stuff goes wrong, not ?
22:01<sdsdsd>strace just tell that it isnt avalyble
22:02<sdsdsd>prahal how can i disable those flags?
22:02<interbird>what is not available ?
22:02<user01>eh i guess not hdparm -d1 /dev/sda1 failed
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22:03<prahal>sdsdsd, simply do not mention them before configure and retart the process
22:03<interbird>hdparm does not work on devices on the scsi layer
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22:09<interbird>Shit happens...
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22:10<sdsdsd>sProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
22:10<sdsdsd>0x00007ffff4ec61f0 in strlen () from /lib/
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22:10<sdsdsd>same error, but now with the flags
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22:10<tgo>does any package in debian provde or use /etc/sym
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22:11<tgo>ive looked with apt-file but cant find anything
22:12<sdsdsd>0x7fff7c272370, 0, NULL) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
22:12<sdsdsd>wait4(8406, ptrace: Operação não permitida.
22:12<sdsdsd>/home/chrono/Desktop/hptalx-1.3.1a/8404: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado.
22:12<sdsdsd>No stack.
22:12<e2_>prahal, rm: cannot remove `/var/run/kdm/kdmrc': Stale NFS file handle.... any idea what I could try and chown and/or delete so kdm can start from boot?
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22:13<prahal>e2_, fsck after unmounting the partition
22:14<e2_>prahal, k... thanks bbl..
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22:18<sdsdsd> hptalx depends of libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0)
22:19<sdsdsd>but i have the newer version libglib 2.0
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22:28<e2_>prahal, thank you very much.... that got it... had a few errors on /dev/sda5 which is my / partition...
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22:31<e2_>prahal, i suppose fsck would have got to it eventually as it hadn't been checked for 26 mounts.. but not booting to kdm has been bugging me for the last 2 weeks...
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22:32<prahal>yes stale NFS lock is misleading ... as I don't have NFS I ended up guessing it meant inode probably corrupt but it took me a while to find out
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22:33<e2_>prahal, it confused me as well as i havn't had nfs shares on this install.... it's my media box so it plays my tv and films etc... thanks again... you think i may have a bad hard drive or it was a one off?
22:34<prahal>could be a weird thing that happened once and the disk may works for years . smart would tell
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22:36<e2_>prahal, smart is on... hasn't complained yet.. thanks again though... I'll back the files I need just in case though..
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22:41<maladmin1>is there an issue with apache2 +mod_ssl on lenny?
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22:43<maladmin1>mod_ssl not working on lenny?
22:46<abrotman>maladmin1: why did you run away?
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22:46<abrotman>maladmin1: when you say it's not working, how are you testing ?
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22:47<maladmin1>abrot - sorry helping even newer newbies in #linode
22:47<bighornram>anyone know how to get mpeg2video back into my system?
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22:48<abrotman>maladmin1: i meant about leaving freenode
22:48<maladmin1>used s_client -- doesnt handshake doesnt even seem to work
22:48<maladmin1>lol u folling me across servers?
22:48<abrotman>maladmin1: netstat -plunt .. is 443 even listening ?
22:50<maladmin1>plunt - interesting, new comby for me
22:50<maladmin1>tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN 18683/apache2
22:50<maladmin1>scuse the cute smilies
22:50<abrotman>maladmin1: did you try a browser ?
22:51<maladmin1>lol of course, u want the firefox or opera error?
22:51<maladmin1>The browser connected successfully, but the connection was interrupted while transferring information. Please try again.
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22:51<abrotman>there should be an error in the error.log i'd think
22:52<maladmin1>abrotman: nothing
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22:54<maladmin1>whoops that was silly
22:54<maladmin1>purged the iptables and left input in -P deny
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22:57<curtis>Hey guys, I posted earlier about my bluetooth dongle, and actually got it working. Anyway, I've got it to connect to my phone and also my headphones, but I can't hear anything in the headphones. Any ideas of what I could do to fix this?
22:57<sdsdsd>i solved my problem following this
22:57<maladmin1>turn the volume up?
22:58<sdsdsd>the binaries ared important?
22:58<curtis>I've tried all volume settings in the Alsa mixer...
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23:02<maladmin1>ok wheres good for apache support?
23:02<abrotman>to do what?
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23:03<faheem>maladmin1: there's a #httpd channel on freenode, assuming you are talking about the apache web server
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23:08<abrotman>there is a #apache on freenode
23:09<faheem>abrotman: the channel says "deprecated in favour of #httpd"
23:09<maladmin1>hmm feeling a bit of a dick right now
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23:09<maladmin1>hadn't enabled default-ssl
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23:10<andrean>I'm wondering if anyone knows how to list all the installed packages from a particular repository, without using synaptic
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23:13<faheem>andrean: you could give dctrl-tools a shot
23:14<Nemoder>andrean: this is what I use: It's a bit messy but works
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23:15<dkr>probbaly some aptitude search options to do it
23:16<andrean>Nemoder: wow, thanks that did what I needed =)
23:16<dkr>ah ~Atesting to specify which archive and ~i for installed
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23:17<andrean>dkr: oh, so it is in there? I was looking in the man page but I guess I missed that part
23:17<dkr>a search ~Atesting ~i is a bit simpler I think :)
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23:17<dkr>er, a is my alias for aptitude
23:18<dkr>the search options aren't in the man page annoyingly, you have to look at file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
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23:20<Nemoder>dkr: that just lists all installed packages for me, doesn't seem to sort by server
23:20<andrean>Hmmm yeah, I got a huge listing from that
23:21<dkr>sorry, messed it up, you need to tie the two search terjms together: aptitude search '?and(~Atesting,~i)
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23:21<dkr>not the most intuitive search interface. heh
23:21<Nemoder>and that returns nothing :/
23:22<dkr>maybe yuo are using stable? heh
23:22<Nemoder>I use testing but I was trying aptitude search '?and(~Adebian-multimedia,~i)'
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23:23<dkr>ah, ~A is for which archive, hrm, maybe you want ~O for origin? I'm just reading the doc myself
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23:24<Nemoder>aptitude search '?and(~Omultimedia,~i)' there we go
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23:24<domtar>If mount says that my hard drive has a bad superblock, does that mean the hard drive is broken?
23:24<dkr>Nemoder: yeah, worked for me, too. I've got 45 packages from there, :)
23:25<bighornram>does anyone have a solution to mpeg4video being removed from debian? I have script calling it. What do you use in it's place?
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23:28<melissa>okay so I've just installed debian with KDE on my desktop machine. I'm running dual monitors on an ATI Radeon x1300 series AGP video card, I've scoured through pages and pages of google search results and can't figure out how to configure my xorg.conf to allow me to change the resolution of each monitor seperately. Has anyone encountered this type of problem before?
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23:29<andrean>Nemoder:Hmm I'm I found the part of the README you mentioned, and I'm trying to see which packages I have installed from testing, with aptitude search ~Atesting ~i but it returns way too many packages
23:29<Suzuran>Is this where to ask about problems with Xorg on debian?
23:30<faheem>Suzuran: here or #debian on freenode
23:30<Suzuran>Oh, and is it supported to ask questions about unstable?
23:31<faheem>Suzuran: define supported. ask your question.
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23:32<Suzuran>I have strange behavior from Xorg on two different machines, two different processors, two different video cards, only thing in common is that they are both debian unstable. When starting Xorg, no error is logged, the video card will generate sync, but there is no output. The screen stays black.
23:32<Suzuran>Control-Alt-Backspace will not kill X, but control-alt-F1 will return to the console and it will die when killed.
23:32<Suzuran>I tried two different video cards in one of the machines with the same result as well.
23:33<faheem>Suzuran: have you tried with lenny?
23:34<melissa>Here is a copy of my Xorg.conf along with the output of LSPCI
23:34<Suzuran>My wireless card and video capture card weren't supported in lenny, that's why it was upgraded to unstable
23:35<Suzuran>I ended up building a new kernel anyway because of other issues, so I suppose I could wipe and reinstall it.
23:35<faheem>Suzuran: try the lenny installer as a live cd?
23:35<faheem>just to try to isolate the problem
23:36<faheem>Suzuran: not sure what a video capture card is
23:36<faheem>that is different from a video card?
23:36<Suzuran>Yes, it works the other way around.
23:36<faheem>Suzuran: ok
23:36<Suzuran>It's for taking video from an input source and turning it into an MPEG stream that you can (ab)use
23:36<faheem>Suzuran: right, so you could probably do a live cd test for lenny.
23:37<faheem>live cds are quite good these days at automatically producing a working X config if possible
23:37<Suzuran>As for booting from a livecd, it wouldn't work unless I could put a custom kernel from it, because only the very latest one supports the chipset on this motherboard
23:37<faheem>Suzuran: i see
23:37<Suzuran>I thought the livecds only used the vesa driver anyway
23:38<faheem>Suzuran: sure, but i would start with vesa anyway
23:38<faheem>does that work for you on unstable?
23:38<faheem>the X logs don't give any clue what is going on?
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23:39<Suzuran>No, there's no error. That's why I was confused about it.
23:39<faheem>Suzuran: strange. are there different verbose levels, i wonder.
23:39<faheem>not being killable is really odd too.
23:39<Suzuran>No, it's killable
23:39<faheem>you say you have a custom kernel?
23:40<Suzuran>It will die when killed.
23:40<faheem>Suzuran: i mean ctrl alt backspace
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23:40<Suzuran>And yes, I have a custom kernel, because the chipset is not supported in any released kernel
23:40<Suzuran>It's very new I guess.
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23:40<faheem>Suzuran: is it using a kernel module?
23:40<faheem>X i mean
23:40<faheem>Suzuran: which one(s)?
23:41<Suzuran>The present card is using i915
23:41<Suzuran>I also tried a PCI nVidia card using both the opensource and closedsource drivers with the same result
23:42<faheem>Suzuran: try a card not using a kernel module?
23:42<faheem>does i915 use a kernel module?
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23:43<faheem>does vesa work? that doesn't use a kernel module
23:43<Suzuran>I'm going to rebuild and see
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