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---Logopened Tue Oct 27 00:00:51 2009
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00:07<Suzuran>OK, I got a slightly different result with the vesa framebuffer.
00:07<Suzuran>It still only displays a black screen.
00:07<Suzuran>But now when I use control-alt-F1 to get back to the console and kill X it dies with a segfault after being killed.
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00:15<Guest549>hi. how do i remove usb webcam from the system without disconnecting it from the computer?
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00:15<Guest549>i cannot watch tv on tvtime because the webcam is interfering with tvtime
00:16<k1lumin4t1>are there any debian squeeze DVDs?
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00:23<andrean>k1lumin4t1:To download, or to purchase?
00:23<k1lumin4t1>andrean, dld
00:24<kop>I'd like to run Debian on a Sheeva plug (ARM arch) but this page,, says that the installer won't install lenny. Uh, why not?
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00:26<kop>I'd have _thought_ I'd be able to run the squeeze installer and install lenny, if I can't run the lenny installer. The device is supposed to pxeboot....
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00:27<k1lumin4t1>andrean, i looked in there, and saw nothing
00:28<k1lumin4t1>andrean, <---- void
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00:29<kop>k1lumin4t1: Why wouldn't you just netinstall?
00:29<Guest549>i cannot find the audio mixer in ubuntu 9.10
00:30<k1lumin4t1>kop, it's not for me... it's for someone that wants to install on his own PC
00:30<kop>Guest549: This is a debian channel, you need to go to #ubuntu on
00:30<Guest549>oh... I'm sorry
00:30<kop>Guest549: No worries.
00:31<kop>k1lumin4t1: I'd be leery of giving a newbie testing. And he could install off of a netinstall cd anyhow.
00:32<k1lumin4t1>kop, he happens to have no internet connectivity
00:32<k1lumin4t1>kop, and yes, I'm using testing on newbies and it goes pretty well... even more since it has more up-to-date packages
00:33<kop>k1lumin4t1: jigdo might help. Or not. I forget.
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00:33<k1lumin4t1>what happened to those DVD iso?
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00:35<k1lumin4t1>there's actually nothing on
00:36<andrean>yeah, why is that? Is there normally stuff there?
00:37<dbldtx>I could find the audio mixer in ubuntu, but doing so would entail finding ubuntu installed on my precious machine, and that's not going to happen.
00:37<k1lumin4t1>iso images of any kind
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00:43<andrean>Hmm the amd64 ones are there, so maybe it's just a mistake this week?
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00:56<rjm>has anyone ever used ntfs-3g with extended attributes?
00:57<rjm>or the streams_interface=windows
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01:07<Mish->I'd like to compile a new nss_ldap from source (for etch), I have the source but it only generates a "" and replacing "/lib/" with that doesn't work. Any ideas?
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01:09<astronut>Mish-: why?
01:09<Mish->The nss_ldap libary in etch has some issues which newer versions fix. I can't upgrade that server to lenny right now
01:09<astronut>so, you're best off backporting the package
01:10<Mish->How do I do that? :)
01:10<astronut>!tell Mish- about backports
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01:14<Mish->astronut: libnss-ldap doesn't seem to be backported?
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01:17<astronut>!tell Mish- about simple sid backport
01:18<prem>during lenny installtion my usb mouse is not detected and working..
01:18<prem>after booting it works fine..but why is it not working during instalaltion..?
01:19<Mish->astronut: So I'd build a backport package from lenny?
01:20<astronut>sure, that'd work
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01:20<astronut>prem: which installaiton mode are you useing?
01:21<prem>graphical astronut
01:21<astronut>no idea then
01:21<astronut>i almost always use text installer
01:22<rjm>is xattr unavailable in debain?
01:24<rjm>err, so I need to install python to get it?
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01:43<overflow>elgrantenedor: hola
01:43<elgrantenedor>como p uedo poner el idioma castella
01:43<overflow>elgrantenedor: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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01:44<overflow>elgrantenedor: entra en #debian-es mejor
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01:47<elgrantenedor>como entro acabo de instalar xubuntu
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01:55<overflow>elgrantenedor: escribe /join #debian-es
01:56<overflow>elgrantenedor: entra en #ubuntu-es
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01:57<sney>didn't his name mean "the big fork"
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03:32<mike_>hi all
03:32<mike_>texlive-base fails on squeeze. reports some ams file is missing. any idea how to get laTex installed?
03:35<LightVision>does anybody know how to sugest another implementation in a debian package
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03:44<jm_>LightVision: suggest what?
03:45<LightVision>a better implementation of usplash
03:45<LightVision>because that used for lenny is uggly
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03:48<jm_>maybe check this top blogpost
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03:50<LightVision>thank you
03:51<mike_>texlive-base fails on squeeze. reports some ams file is missing. any idea how to get laTex installed?
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04:29<asdtemp>is there a way to get a gdm-guest-session in debian?
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04:33<jm_>what is a gdm guest session?
04:34<asdtemp>an ubuntu "innovation"
04:35<asdtemp>you click on the panel for "start guest session" and there comes a new login with a temporary user that is jailed
04:35<asdtemp>after logout the temporary user account is deleted
04:35<asdtemp>so you can lend your laptop to anyone for a "mail check", etc.
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04:38<jm_>ahh probably a matter of copying the session file from ubuntu
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04:38<asdtemp>jm_, it depends on apparmor that is not included in the debian repos
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04:42<kenyon>asdtemp: why not just create a guest account, and delete it whenever you feel like it
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04:45<jm_>asdtemp: ahh, maybe that'll change if it gets merged upstream now
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04:48<dpkg>rumour has it, rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo
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05:13<shell_>شباب انا عندي مشكلة في باك تراك4
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05:28<asdtemp>kenyon, he/she/it is not "jailed"
05:28<asdtemp>jm_, what do you mean?
05:29<jm_>asdtemp: apparmor patch has been submitted for inclusion in linux kernel
05:29<asdtemp>sounds nice
05:29<lau>i am trying to install samba via apt-get install
05:29<lau>on lenny standard
05:30<lau>it depends on exim4 ...
05:30<lau>i would like to avoid exim4 installation since my mx server is on another machine
05:30<asdtemp>jm_, when could it be included first?
05:30<lau>is that possible ?
05:31<lau>or is it mandatory to install exim4 in order to make samba ok ?
05:31<Gold24>lau: install nullmailer or something of the sort it will satisfy the depends on a mailer
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05:33<dpkg>somebody said nullmailer was a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just send directly to smart relays. Packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). See also <ssmtp>.
05:34<jm_>asdtemp: that depends on kernel folks, I am not sure if there have been much in the way of comments so far, but don't expect this to happen soon as far as Debian goes
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05:34<lau>Gold24: thx for the direction. is that a state of the art to install nullmailer on a filer server like samba ?
05:34<jm_>lau: or use equivs if you don't want MTA
05:34<dpkg>somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
05:35<lau>in fact i just would like to set up a production filer (samba) server, but do not know how to do
05:35<lau>my first feeling was to accept any dependencies from apt-get install samba
05:36<lau>but exim4 make me fear
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05:38<veekram>anyone here
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05:39<jm_>it might just be a recommends, not depends for samba (i.e. from cron etc.)
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05:42<kenyon>lau: that doesn't tell you where the dependency comes from
05:43<lau>yes but that requires me to install exim4 in order to install samba, doesn't it ?
05:44<kenyon>you can probably remove exim after samba is installed
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05:44<lau>i am noobing here, i just want to set up a samba filer server in fact
05:44<kenyon>try also aptitude --show-deps
05:44<kenyon>and --show-why
05:45<jm_>no you can use apt options to skip installation of recommended packages
05:45<kenyon>aptitude --without-recommends
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05:46<jm_>!apt recommends
05:46<dpkg>Since lenny, APT installs recommended packages by default. To disable this once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. Understand that by not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality from the packages. See also <why recommends> <why aptitude>.
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05:48<lau>ok nice info jm_ is that safe in production environment not to install apt recommendations ?
05:49<kenyon>anything is safe if you know what you're doing
05:49<kenyon>in this case it's probably fie
05:49<jm_>lau: up to you, I use it all the time
05:50<kenyon>better to just install nullmailer though, so mail can at least go somewhere
05:50<lau>yes kenyon i understand
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06:01<eeeuser>Can anyone build vloopback using m-a?
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06:02<eeeuser>under 2.6.30-2-686
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06:06<alfadir>eeeuser: you have to update the source to the svn ..
06:06<alfadir>eeeuser: did it but at the end i went with v4l2loopback and v4lsink
06:07<alfadir>eeeuser: the package is old, but the svn sources work on newer kernels
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06:08<eeeuser>cool. I submitted a bug report for the hell of it. If it doesnt build, then we should be putting a conflicts in or something.
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06:10<eeeuser>Im there :)
06:10<alfadir>svn trunk for kernel version > 2.6.28
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06:10<alfadir>eeeuser: you can get the source deb
06:10<eeeuser>good point.
06:10<alfadir>unpack it
06:10<alfadir>replace it with the svn sources
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06:11<alfadir>but save the Makefile
06:11<alfadir>the svn Makefile does not work with the deb package
06:11<alfadir>and then rebuild it
06:11<alfadir>it works without too much of a hassle
06:11<eeeuser>yeah, I just had that problem, and was trying to work it out. Thanks for the tip!
06:11<alfadir>as there is no release i guess no bug report will help.. well not sure
06:12<alfadir>still vloopback in debian is at 1.1, and 1.2 was released
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06:12<eeeuser>It should be updated to trunk IMHO.
06:12<alfadir>eeeuser: still have a look at v4l2loopback too
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06:13<alfadir>eeeuser: has a source deb..
06:14<eeeuser>Missed that. I grabbed the svn co, but it didn't build and I am no kernel hacker.
06:14<bcochofel>Hi, maybe this is not the place, but anyway, maybe someone knows
06:14<alfadir>eeeuser: for the v4lsink for gstreamer
06:15<alfadir>eeeuser: you might have problems with valac compiler > see patch in the issues
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06:15<bcochofel>I'm trying to run syslinux -d syslinux /dev/sdb1 from initramfs and I'm getting: "Error converting
06:15<alfadir>eeeuser: if you do not use gstreamer, then you do not need it
06:15<bcochofel>"Error converting to codepage 850 invalid argument"
06:15<bcochofel>does anybody know what can I do?
06:16<eeeuser>My goal is to create a v4l device that skype can use. I tried avld, but couldn't write to the device, even as root
06:16<jeromeg>I just set my locale to en_gb.UTF8 but now gdm complains that this locale could not be found when launching a session. The session is in English though. How can i get rid of that warning?
06:16<weasel>jeromeg: build that locale,
06:16<weasel>jeromeg: or install locales-all
06:16<alfadir>eeeuser: was my goal too..
06:16<alfadir>eeeuser: still i have problems with skype..
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06:17<alfadir>eeeuser: think it because of my E17 / compiz combo
06:17<jeromeg>weasel: When using dpkg-reconfigure locales, the locale is not built automatically?
06:17<alfadir>eeeuser: looking into this :
06:17<alfadir>eeeuser: but have not yet tested
06:17<weasel>jeromeg: I don't know. is it?
06:17<alfadir>eeeuser: but the above loopback works for gstreamer
06:17<jeromeg>weasel: How can I check?
06:18<eeeuser>I saw that link, but couldn't reproduce a working copy. The guy didn't post his kernel version.
06:18<alfadir>eeeuser: which link ?
06:18<alfadir>eeeuser: the skype one ?
06:18<alfadir>eeeuser: that is kernel independent
06:19<eeeuser>Oh wait, wrong link
06:19<alfadir>eeeuser: and for v4l2loopback i built it on sid at the time
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06:19<eeeuser>I was looking at still.
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06:20<alfadir>eeeuser: v4l2loopback works with mplayer etc in any case..
06:20<alfadir>eeeuser: if you use compiz the link i had might work. I have not yet tested it
06:20<alfadir>eeeuser: my webcam is still just a green image
06:20<alfadir>eeeuser: did not have much time to test it
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06:21<eeeuser>My webcam works fine under skype itself. I just want to stream my desktop
06:21<jm_>jeromeg: does locale -a list it?
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06:22<jeromeg>jm, weasel: in fact, restarting gdm solved it.
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06:26<alfadir>eeeuser: ok. well .. if you get it to work with v4lsink.. you have the whole world of gstreamer to work with
06:26<alfadir>eeeuser: doing overlays or whatever
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06:29<alfadir>eeeuser: my skype + environment is broken. used to work, but as i said.. i am guessing that are causing the problem.. or i do not know.. tested the v4lcompat etc solutions
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06:37<bcochofel>anyone here knows syslinux?
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06:38<jm_>bcochofel: is it a script?
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06:38<jm_>no it's a binary, so I guess it uses iconv() to convert something and conversion library is missing at boot
06:38<bcochofel>jm_, I'm getting "Error converting to codepage 850 invalid argument" when I run syslinux -d syslinux /dev/sdb1 from initramfs
06:38<jm_>bcochofel: see above
06:39<bcochofel>jm_, ok, can I tell what's the lib??
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06:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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06:40<jm_>bcochofel: the conversion libraries (or modules or whatever they call them) are in /usr/lib/gconv
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06:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:00<elky>oh dear...
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07:00<simNIX>wonders what the right irc channel to ask about hurdles in testing squeeze installed with a preseed
07:00<elky>i am everywhere kiddo
07:00<simNIX>I love that song - he so good himself :)
07:01<simNIX>another one got the open bug ?
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07:01<simNIX>Bacta (as in open software adiced bug)
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07:11<dpkg>from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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07:13<apud32>google-chrome for debian is amazing
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07:18<bcochofel>jm_, even with all the libs there (also copied iconv and did ldd on that) I get that error
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07:21<jm_>bcochofel: which version of syslinux is it?
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07:23<bcochofel>jm_, I believe it's 3.75
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07:28<jm_>bcochofel: hmm can't find where it woukd output this exact error
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07:29<bcochofel>jm_, I'm gonna check the code
07:29<jm_>bcochofel: I only found some perl script
07:30<bcochofel>jm_, should I need perl?
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07:31<jm_>bcochofel: I doubt, this is part of source tree but I didn't check how it is used
07:32<bcochofel>jm_, well, no perl deps
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07:34<bcochofel>jm_, how can I set codepage and all that stuff on initramfs?
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07:36<bcochofel>jm_, could it be some kernel module?
07:36<ed-design>Hello room
07:36<ed-design>can i subit my pb ?
07:36<jm_>bcochofel: there are nls modules for that yes, so it's possible
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07:37<bcochofel>jm_, ok, gonna check that
07:38<ed-design>I can not switch from debian etch to lenny, despite the tutorials.
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07:38<jm_>why not?
07:38<ed-design>good question
07:39<ed-design>i change sources.list
07:39<ed-design>i make aptitude update and dist-upgrade
07:39<ed-design>but always in :
07:39<ed-design>Systeme : GNU/Linux Debian 4.0r2 (Etch) i386
07:40<jm_>what's that?
07:41<ed-design>when i'm connect with putty it's what i see
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07:45<steffan>ed-design: what are you trying to do?
07:46<ed-design>steffan : i want switch from debian etch to lenny
07:47<steffan>ed-design: see the privmsg from dpkg
07:48<ed-design>my control panel dedibox (my server) tells me I am not up to date and I have to ue put me under debian 5.
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07:50<ed-design>i did all his steps
07:50<ed-design>can someone have a look to my system ?
07:52<ed-design>where can i paste my sources.list for someone to check ?
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07:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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07:55<jm_>ed-design: what does 'lsb_release -d' say?
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07:56<ed-design>-bash: lsb_release: command not found
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07:57<bcochofel>jm_, not even with all modules I get this to work
07:57<Titan8990>cat /etc/issue
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07:59<ed-design> -> my sources.list
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08:04<ed-design>help me pliiz... multipass
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08:13<ed-design>steffan ?
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08:34<Nekroman>hello I need help. i can't run my compilled files. I write simple program in C++ and i compile it. After I try to run it with command ./a.out and i've got output: file doesn't exist but if i run ls, i see that file.
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08:36<steffan>ed-design: yes?
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08:40<Pev>Nekroman: put it whole to some pastebin server (
08:41<Nekroman>Pev: I have slovak debian. You don't understand what that say. :)
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08:42<ed-design> -> my sources.list
08:42<ed-design>is it correct ?
08:42<Pev>Nekroman: I'm czech :-)
08:42<ed-design>I'm french :o)
08:43<ed-design>i'm lost
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08:48<Titan8990>ed-design, you have two primary repos listed but i doubt that it will cause issues
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08:50<ed-design>ok thanks having a look
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09:09<steffan>!tell ed-design -about sources.list
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09:43<Pev>Nekroman: btw: I just now got your joke :-)
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10:15<m_g>hi guys i have get rid of the warning of dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc and could now run it to migrate to dependency based booting. my question: has anybody heard about problems with this migration or is it known to work well?
10:15<m_g>i don't have any custom init.d headers, they are all from debian packages
10:17<jm_>try checking BTS
10:18<m_g>looks good for sysv-rc as far as i can tell
10:18<m_g>some bugs as usual but nothing critical
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10:21<mateu>i would like to do a graceful restart of apache (let processed finish their work before killing them)
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10:21<mateu>usually I do /etc/init.d/apache restart
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10:22<mateu>but I don't think that's graceful.
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10:22<dr|z3d>mateu: That's fine.
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10:23<jm_>it is
10:23<mateu>so I will interreupt any client activity doing it the way I have been?
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10:23<mateu>will not*
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10:24<mateu>ok, I just wanted to make sure because I have a lot of hits occuring on the web application and I don't want to disrupt their processes while I do a necessary restart.
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10:27<dr|z3d>mateu: You have to accept some disruption to visitors whilst you reboot.. there's no way around that, really.
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10:27<dr|z3d>s/reboot/restart Apache
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10:28<mateu>I can't afford to loose a database insert, so sounds like I need to wait until off-hours
10:29*mateu is recording student answers for an online test
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10:35<joel>hi i want to install lenny in a machine that has a sata cdrom drive but lenny installer does not detect it, it says cdrom not found, how can i do?
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10:45<kop>joel: You could try pressing the function keys when the installer boots to see if there's not an option to pass the kernel. Or, you could pxeboot, or install via usb key -- in other words not use the cdrom.
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10:46<joel>kop: if i do a usb key installation do i need that the pendrive be used only for the installation? i mean, do i have to delete all the information inside it?
10:46<steffan>!tell joel -about install
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10:54<kop>I'd have _thought_ I'd be able to run the squeeze installer and install lenny, if I can't run the lenny installer. The device is supposed to pxeboot....
10:54<kop>I'd like to run Debian on a Sheeva plug (ARM arch) but this page,, says that the installer won't install lenny. Uh, why not?
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10:58<RootMort>Русские есть?
10:58<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:01<RootMort>And what next? бля...
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11:15<steffan>RootMort: this is an English channel, the Russian channel is on in #debian-russian
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11:22<RootMort>И чё дальше?
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11:22<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:23<RootMort>ИДите НАХУЙ!
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11:24<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:26<RootMort>idite NaHui!!!!
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11:26<dr|z3d>!ops RootMort needs a hand
11:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: RootMort needs a hand
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11:30<interbird>RootMort as a nick implies suicide anyway :-)
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12:15<pinglin>hello. I'm interested if it is possible to have portable linux (or shell+environment) which can be started from some dir like pen drive linux?
12:17<petemc> /msg dpkg unetbootin
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12:22<gordon73>Hello people. I have some programs availible only in source code. How to compile them "Debian-way"? I suppose that doing just make; make install is not so good.
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12:23<zumbi>gordon73: read on debian packaging
12:23<zumbi>hi baby
12:23<baby>how are you
12:24<zumbi>fine, and you? :)
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12:24<baby>verry good and what is your name?
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12:25<baby>please answer my question
12:25<zumbi>baby: my name is zumbi
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12:25<baby>well I never hear that name
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12:26<baby>but is a pretty nbame
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12:26*Titan8990 smells a troll
12:26<Tigryss>i need some help :D
12:26<baby>and how old are you zumbi
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12:27<themill>baby: this isn't a social chat channel -- do you have a debian support question we can help you with?
12:27<Tigryss>i need really help :DDD
12:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:28<Tigryss>problem /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
12:28<Tigryss>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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12:29<Tigryss>kernel version: linux iptables version 1.4.2-6
12:30<Titan8990>Tigryss, what version of debian is this?
12:30<baby>sorru bye
12:30<Titan8990>judd, versions iptables
12:30<judd>Titan8990: iptables -- etch: lenny: 1.4.2-6 sid: 1.4.4-2 squeeze: 1.4.4-2
12:30<Titan8990>squeeze with a sid kernel?
12:30<Tigryss>Debian 5.0
12:30<baby>sorry I am a MEXICAN GIRL
12:31<Titan8990>Tigryss, misread... where did you get the kernel? custom compile?
12:31<baby>I dont now
12:31<themill>baby: if you don't have a Debian-support question, please be silent or leave.
12:31<craigevil> isn't even in sid, at least it isnt in 32bit
12:31<Tigryss>from kernel. org custom compile
12:32<Titan8990>Tigryss, did you remember to include support for netfilter?
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12:32<baby>HEy baby I only want to talk with dedian
12:32<Tigryss>i can send my .config
12:32<Titan8990>themill, i would say thats enough...
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12:33<Tigryss>I need to see just a sec
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12:33<Titan8990>Tigryss, grep CONFIG_NETFILTER=y .config
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12:34<Titan8990>sorry that was wrong
12:34<Titan8990>Tigryss, grep CONFIG_NETFILTER= .config
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12:36<Tigryss>with older kernel wasn't wrong 2.6.29.x
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12:37<Titan8990>what does iptables -t filter -L report?
12:38<Tigryss>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
12:39<Titan8990>well... you lack a filter table
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12:39<Titan8990>what about iptables -L?
12:39<Titan8990>Tigryss, actually quick google search says you still lack kernel support
12:39<Tigryss>it's working
12:40<Titan8990>their are sub-options under the initial netfilter configuration
12:40<Titan8990>what is?
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12:40<Tigryss> iptables -L give answare
12:40*peej watches from the sidelines....
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12:41<Titan8990>Tigryss, just for a shot... what about: iptables -t NAT -L?
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12:43<Tigryss>FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
12:43<Tigryss>iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
12:43<Tigryss>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
12:43<Tigryss>FATAL: Module ip_tables not found.
12:43<Tigryss>iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
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12:43<Tigryss>so ip_tables is now in kernel not in module
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13:38<mib_b9yrnf>Hey guys
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13:39<mib_b9yrnf>can you help me? I'm trying to set up a webserver
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13:39<mib_b9yrnf>everything works fine, but php, only works in the /var/www
13:40<mib_b9yrnf>directory, if I open http://server/syscp
13:40<mib_b9yrnf>firefox show application/x-httpd-php
13:40<mib_b9yrnf>any idea?
13:40<Titan8990>a2enmod mod_php5
13:40<Guest599>Is anyone using multiple DHCP enabled interfaces brought up by /etc/network/interfaces? I have multiple VLAN interfaces that are all getting DHCP, but the problem is they all get default gateways and I can't move traffic. Is there an easy way to make it only grab one default gateway?
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13:41<mib_b9yrnf>@titan8990 mod_php5 already exist
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13:41<mib_b9yrnf>oh, sorry
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13:41<mib_b9yrnf>doesn't exist..
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13:42<Titan8990>aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5
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13:43<mib_b9yrnf>sorry, doesn't work..
13:44<mib_b9yrnf>it's already installed
13:45<Titan8990>a2enmod php5
13:45<mib_b9yrnf>Module php5 already enabled
13:45<mib_b9yrnf>if i open a testpage in php (phpinfo) it works, but only in the /var/www directory
13:45<mib_b9yrnf>not in other directories
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13:47<Titan8990>you have php scripts in the other directories?
13:47<Titan8990>and... what other directory?
13:47<mib_b9yrnf>it's /var/www/syscp
13:47<Guest599>mib_b9yrnf: chmod the scripts executable
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13:48<mib_b9yrnf>okay, I'll try
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13:48<Titan8990>and they should be owned by the www-data user
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13:48<mib_b9yrnf>sorry, but how to do this=
13:49<Titan8990>and your administrating a web server? or just playing to learn?
13:49<mib_b9yrnf>only playing to learn
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13:49<Titan8990>chown = change ownership, chmod = change permissions
13:49<Titan8990>man chown; man chmod
13:49<themill>neither should be necessary
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13:50<Titan8990>themill, yeah... should have checked the perms on my webserver first...
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13:50<themill>!php wants me to download still
13:50<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
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13:51<Titan8990>thats a long factoid to remember
13:51<mib_b9yrnf>did everything
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13:52<Titan8990>lol you did everything about as fast as I could open the readme to have a look
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13:52<mib_b9yrnf>no, I did it before :D
13:53<beppe>hi all. someone know hot to install a webcam chikony on debian lenny?
13:53<mib_b9yrnf>tried all such things but, it doesn't work
13:54<cahoot>beppe: presumably an usb cam?
13:54<beppe>but on ubuntu works
13:54<themill>mib_b9yrnf: so what does "wget http://server/syscp" say?
13:54<mib_b9yrnf>is this okay? chown www-data syscp
13:54<Titan8990>mib_b9yrnf, trying things without an understanding what they do is a recipe for failure
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13:54<beppe>yes a usb web cam, but inside on notebook
13:55<NBZ4live>Hi @ all
13:55<cahoot>beppe: run lsusb and get hold of its usbId
13:55<mateu>mib_b9yrnf: are you able to try installing a packaged PHP application such as phpmyadmin
13:55<mib_b9yrnf>index.html saved
13:55<beppe>Bus 007 Device 003: ID 04f2:b044 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
13:56<mateu>the you can use it as an example
13:56<NBZ4live>do someone know how to add telnet commands to the telnet connect? I want to use cron to connect to a telnet server and send a telnet commant and then disconnect
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13:56<petemc>you could use expect
13:56<themill>mib_b9yrnf: that's not all it said. Please pastebin the entire output. /msg dpkg pastebin
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13:57<cahoot>beppe: if you plug it in and check dmesg - any complaints about uvcvideo missing?
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13:57<Titan8990>telnet needs to die a quick death for use of anything other than a diag tool
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13:57<themill>mib_b9yrnf: please also look inside the index.html file you just created -- what's inside? php code or html?
13:58<beppe>cahoot: I can't plug or unplug. the device is inside the notebook
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13:59<themill>mib_b9yrnf: note that wget tells you that it downloaded text/html not application/x-httpd-php
13:59<cahoot>beppe: run lsmod|grep uvc
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13:59<themill>mib_b9yrnf: gah... that's just the directory listing... you need to get it to try something useful here.
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14:00<beppe>bpx: test
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14:01<mib_b9yrnf>@themill sorry, how to?
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14:01<beppe>cahoot: uvcvideo 56700 0
14:01<beppe>cahoot: videodev 36496 1 uvcvideo
14:01<cahoot>beppe: and if you run cheese you get error?
14:01<mib_b9yrnf>hm, it's crazy
14:01<beppe>cahoot: v4l1_compat 12932 2 uvcvideo,videodev
14:01<mib_b9yrnf>only syscp doesn't work
14:02<mib_b9yrnf>if I try a php info it works..
14:02<themill>mib_b9yrnf: when you first joined, you said that when you went to http://server/syscp it told you it wasn't html -- but that was *not* the URL you were going to.
14:02<beppe>cahoot: i don't try yet
14:02<beppe>with cheese
14:02<beppe>cahoot: with cheese
14:02<themill>mib_b9yrnf: probably http://server/syscp/index.php or similar?
14:02<cahoot>beppe: as far as I can see all needed modules are loaded
14:03<mib_b9yrnf>i'm sorry, I used this for example
14:04<mib_b9yrnf>my real ip of the server is
14:04<beppe>cahoot: sorry but ...
14:04<themill>mib_b9yrnf: so pastebin the output of "wget" or whatever the correct URL to a php page is that you are having trouble with
14:05<beppe>cahoot: i try a lot ... but ekiga don't see the web ... now i tryed with cheese and it works
14:05<beppe>cahoot: i'm a bit confused
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14:06<mib_b9yrnf>it's crazy I reinstalled syscp and it works.
14:06<mib_b9yrnf>sorry, for wasting your time
14:06<themill>mib_b9yrnf: heh... glad it's working now. Have fun.
14:06<mib_b9yrnf>than you :)
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14:09<cahoot>beppe: so it's not a matter of the camera not being supported but ekiga not configured correct (or possibly not up to the task)
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14:10<beppe>but ekiga non show the device in his properties
14:11<beppe>cahoot: but ekiga don't shows the device in his properties
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14:16<bpx>cahoot: so the problem is on ekiga and if i use skype, it works ... ?
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14:16<cahoot>no idea - don't use any of those
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14:17<beppe>ah, and why?
14:17<beppe>cahoot: ah, and why?
14:18<rjent>Greetings could someone look at this partman-auto it dies at partman attempting to make the vmware partition.
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14:22<Ornedan>Hi. I upgraded xorg and my mouse wheel emulation stopped working. How does one enable it in current X (testing)?
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14:34<Meilo>Hello there. I am looking to boot a debian install I have copied over to a blockfile. Similar to the process that Ubuntu uses with Wubi. Does anyone know where I can find solid documention on how I can edit the init script so acheive this?
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14:39<Meilo>everyone asleep?
14:40<beppe>cahoot: thanks a lot for your support
14:40<Guest599>no one answered my question either Meilo, sometimes it is just the case that no one has any input
14:40<dkr>!tell Meilo about debootstrap
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14:42<steffan>Guest599: people are busy, or don't know the answer to your question, being patient is key
14:42<dkr> has a section on advice on how to proceed if there is no answer
14:42<Guest599>steffan: i am aware
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14:46<mentor>It may be worth trying on FreeNode, it's slightly busier
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14:49<Meilo>Ill be back after work... thanks
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14:50<adama_>Ornedan: X implemented two-finger scrolling. I couldn't figure out how to change it
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14:54<stew>Ornedan: using synaptics?
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15:12<Ornedan>adama_: Thanks for the clue. Found a way to do it:
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15:12<adama_>Ornedan: cool, I will have to check that out myself
15:13<Ornedan>stew: Not sure. I do still have a secondary problem with not being able to turn off the touchpad with the function+f8 combo that used to work before upgrade
15:13<stew>Ornedan: have a look at syndaemon synclient
15:13<Ornedan>It kind of sucks when a crease in my trousers generates random keypresses :/
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15:42<T0mmy>I have the following problem: on sid/squeeze the package vuze depends on libswt-gtk-3.4-jni and eclipse depends on libswt3.4-gtk-jni but they exclude eachother, so i can't install vuze and eclipse together
15:43<Titan8990>welcome to sid
15:43<T0mmy>myea never had that before tho :) i guess ill just manually install
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15:45<Titan8990>the package probably conflict for a reason
15:45<Titan8990>aptitude why libswt3.4-gtk-jni might give more isnight
15:45<Titan8990>or the BTS
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15:48<OkropNick>hi. is it safe to plug in SATA hdd to running operating system?
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15:50<Titan8990>depends on whether or not your storage controller supports hot-swapping
15:50<OkropNick>Titan8990: thank you for quick answer
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15:52<Titan8990>i would say its probably not going to hurt anything (i am not liable) but it may not be recognized until after reboot
15:52<OkropNick>is it called also "hot swap" ?
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15:53<OkropNick>ok, my mb manual confirm it. thx
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15:54<OkropNick>if I disapear in some strange way is not working
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15:55<adama_>OkropNick: I've never had a problem doing that. It will depend on the hardware though. Don't blame us if it catches fire!
15:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:58<OkropNick>adama_: I will, remember, it's working. Thanks for hints
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16:01<trinity1it>hello world! Ciao a tutti.
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16:08<a>I'm trying to change permissions on external ntfs HD to become writable. I've tried gui while signed in as root.
16:09<a>please help!!
16:09<locklace>!tell a about ntfs-3g
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16:10<ZeroCide>anyone if there is a way to securely email the ip that a ssh user is logging infrom? or how to get logcheck to include the last/wtmp logs?
16:11<ZeroCide>-if + is
16:11<Titan8990>you can check and see if there is a PTR record for the IP address. If they DO own a domain they should have a postmaster@<domain> address
16:12<a>locklace: I've already downloaded ntfs-3g
16:12<ZeroCide>well they dont most of my ssh users have a dynamic ip :(
16:12<Titan8990>ZeroCide, lol sounds like you need to give them email accounts then
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16:12<Titan8990>you can't send an email to an IP address
16:12<ZeroCide>i know there is a line i could insert into the bash_profile but the email command sends the emails un-securely
16:12<ZeroCide>no no
16:12<ZeroCide>you got me wrong perhaps i worded it wrong
16:12<Titan8990>you want it to email you when they sign on?
16:12<Ikarus>if you want that you are doing something wrong
16:12<ZeroCide>with the ip they are logging on from
16:13<Ikarus>but you can make PAM do it for you if you instruct SSH to use PAM
16:13<Titan8990>daily auth logs are not enough?
16:13<ZeroCide>so if zerocide logged in from it would email a email with User: logged in from ip
16:14<ZeroCide>they arent really Titan8990 i have about 30 people ssh a day and i want to keep a record offsite
16:14<ZeroCide>for security purposes
16:14<Titan8990>have logrotate email them off daily
16:15<ZeroCide>well i use syslog-ng so im not sure how to make it include that i have logcheck currently email system logs such as auth/kernel/mail
16:15<Titan8990>no sense of hacking something together if its not needed
16:15<Titan8990>ZeroCide, man logrotate
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16:17<ZeroCide>ok so ill have to edit the cronjob for logrotate then i take it to include the -m param?
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16:17<Ikarus>you can syslog offsite aswell
16:17<Ikarus>I use syslog over a SSL pipe for some boxen
16:17<Titan8990>ZeroCide, logwatch might also be of interest
16:18<ZeroCide>correct Ikarus i use syslog-ng to email me the authlogs ect
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16:18<Titan8990>Ikarus, but you syslog -> syslog daemon, correct?
16:19<Ikarus>Titan8990: I use app -> syslog daemon -> remote syslog daemon
16:19<Ikarus>but syslog can also be syslog-ng without issues
16:19<Ikarus>just a different config format
16:19<Titan8990>Ikarus, thats what i thought you mean
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16:26<ZeroCide>Titan8990, or Ikarus either of you familair with swatch?
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16:29<mylife>hello my name is bora, where xchat turkish cannel ?
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16:29<dpkg>somebody said turkish was #turklug, or trke yardm iin
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16:42<ZeroCide>Titan8990, can you help me resolve a small pam issue? im unsure how
16:42<ZeroCide>Security Events for su
16:42<ZeroCide>Oct 27 20:40:38 srv1 su[1743]: pam_env(su:session): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory
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16:47<exn>hey guys, anybody know how to start skype calls without a sound card ?
16:47<diego>hello, gnome just broke, it loads, loads the icons, then stops and freezes
16:47<diego>kde works
16:48<diego>any help ? any logs ?
16:48<ogre>hey guys
16:48<Titan8990>ZeroCide, try: dpkg-reconfigure locales
16:48<ogre>can anyone here me?
16:48<ogre>see what i am saying?
16:48<Titan8990>ogre, no
16:48<ogre>bah lol, sorry
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16:49<subhuti>strace -p `pgrep skype`
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16:49<ogre>does anyone here know where nessus is located on backtrack 4?
16:49<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
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16:50<Titan8990>themill, lol not much point of pointing them at #remote-exploit.... if they didn't find it on their own they will probably get banned
16:51<ogre>is there an irc channel that deals with issues and questions for backtrack?
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16:51<nosklo>ogre: the text by dpkg above tells you where is the bt4 irc channel
16:51<Titan8990>ogre, read the damn factoid
16:51<ogre>i tried to join and it says unavailable
16:51<Titan8990>themill, yeah, they are really trigger-happy when it comes to kicking people
16:52<nosklo>ogre: it is a irc server
16:52<ogre>ay i know
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16:52<nosklo>ogre: not a channel on this server, another server
16:52<themill>Titan8990: ahh, I understand. We should do that sometimes ....
16:52<nosklo>ogre: I'm using it right now
16:52<ogre>ah ok, i think i see what ya thanks
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16:56<fladi>is there a special reason why gdm is still at version 2.20 while the rest of gnome is somewhere around 2.28?
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16:57<valdyn>fladi: because no one changed it?
16:57<azeem_>fladi: gdm got rewritten and still hasn't gained all the 2.20 features yet
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16:57<fladi>azeem_: ok thanks
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17:46<kop>I'm using a thin client (xserver at the desktop xclient at remote location). I want to try to get some photos off a digital camera. I was thinking about using gtkam/gphoto2. Are there other choices? I can't seem to figure out how to run it on my X client and still access the usb bus on the X server. Any ideas?
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17:57<Mish->Question: My server is running sarge. Changes have been made to resolv.conf and pam.d/* files. Valid changes, all working as expected... except I can no longer ping entries in the hosts file... eg: I can't ping localhost, any ideas?
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18:01<Ornedan>My T61 has two mouse devices, touchpad and trackpoint. How do I configure X (or some other system, but I think this belongs to X?) to disable the touchpad?
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18:02<Ornedan>I'm using testing. Installed about 4 months worth of updates and my old way of disabling the touchpad stopped working (function+f8)
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18:11<valdyn>Mish-: thats the "files" in the hosts: line in /etc/nsswitch.conf i think, is it there?
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18:15<nowhere_man>Hi all
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18:15<nowhere_man>is apt-zip still being used?
18:15<nowhere_man>I remembered it had a way to update the package lists, obviously a mandatory step to do anything with APT
18:16<nowhere_man>but I don't see it in the man page
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18:29<andy>hello ppl
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18:35<andy>no hello's?
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18:36<andy>where's the fun irc server? ;-/
18:36<Xenguy>andy: hi...
18:37<Xenguy>most people will respond to an actual question...
18:37<Xenguy>but remember lots of people are on multiple channels and so on
18:38<andy>many thanks Xenguy. You have restored my faith.
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18:40*Xenguy tries to learn how setting nameservers works in Debian (as usual, there seems to be a 'Debian Way' :-)
18:40<Xenguy>dpkg: resolv
18:40<dpkg>Xenguy: are you smoking crack?
18:40<Xenguy>not at the moment
18:40<Xenguy>dpkg: resolv.conf
18:40<dpkg>rumour has it, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
18:40<weasel>vi /etc/resolv.conf and purge the resolvconf package.
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18:41<Xenguy>weasel: a refreshing reply ;-) I was wondering myself why something so simple as editing a file needs to get automated and complicated :p
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18:41<andy>i had wanted to find the deb movie critic channel. but if someone can explain how to get Oracle SQL developer working with 9.10, i'll be happy :)
18:42<weasel>Xenguy: it does have its uses in some setups, but usually it's just overkill
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18:43<Xenguy>weasel: OK, I may well vote to use the KISS formula then (which I tend to prefer), but I'll research on 'resolvconf' a little more first
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18:43<Xenguy>andy: ubuntu questions tend not to go over well here (I just sayin :-)
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18:44<Xenguy>er, biab
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18:54<andy>hello arg|other
18:55<arg|other>on reboot today i discover i no longer have fsck, apparently bug 551795
18:55<jiohdi>I installed Xscreensaver but I have to start it up on every reboot... is there a way to make it automatic?
18:55<arg|other>which is fine, i could install util-linux
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18:56<andy>is there a linux movie channel?
18:56<arg|other>except that if i try, it wants to install a couple of hunderd new packages, remove about 75, and upgrade 20. i'd like to see specifically what util-linux wants that causes this massive upheaval
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18:58<arg|other>basically, i'm looking for a way to limit the output of apt-get or apt-cache, instead of telling me the deps for every package on the system
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19:00<arg|other>aptitude why-not is of no use, it says that util-linux conflicts with itself
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19:07<adama_>arg|other: what's the output of "apt-get install util-linux"? pastebin
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19:07<arg|other>adama_: uh, can't pastebin... and its far too large to type
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19:09<Mish->I've just downloaded the Debian 3.1r8 DVD's as I have an older system (Sarge obviously) that I need to put puppet on. However, the DVD's don't seem to have the puppet package on them... Any ideas?
19:09<adama_>arg|other: /msg dpkg pastebinit
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19:11<Ikarus>find puppet
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19:12<adama_>Mish-: try ummmm archives
19:12<Mish->adama_: No luck. :/
19:12<Ikarus>Mish-: dpkg is being slow
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19:12<Mish->In what way?
19:12<Ikarus>Mish-: it's part of admin/puppet
19:12<Ikarus>but uh, not considered for inclusion into the main DVD
19:13<Ikarus>but ti should be on one of the others
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19:14<themill>Ikarus: you never asked dpkg to do anything...
19:14<Ikarus>themill: I asked dpkg in private before
19:15<arg|other>adama_: ahh, thats very cool
19:15<Mish->Ikarus: I've searched debian-31r8-i386-binary-1, debian-31r8-i386-binary-2 and debian-update-3.1r8-i386-DVD-1 but still can't find the puppet RPM, any ideas?
19:15<Ikarus>there isn't an RPM :P
19:15<Ikarus>it's a .deb ofcourse
19:15<Mish->Yeah, my insanity.
19:15<Ikarus>Mish-: but uh, why not just download it
19:15<adama_>arg|other: never tried it actually ;)
19:16<dpkg>Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>, <sarge sources.list>. Get old Sarge ISOs here:
19:16<Mish->Ikarus: Where from? I've looked everywhere
19:16<themill>puppet wasn't even in debian when sarge was released
19:16<Mish->themill: Ahh! That explains that.
19:16<Ikarus>version number confusion from me
19:16<Mish->Fingers crossed then that this guys packages help:
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19:17<Mish->Last question for now... I want to add the extracted Sarge DVD's as repositories, has anyone done this (or similar) before using approx?
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19:51<sof>no sign
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19:51<Xenguy>sof: do you have other slots to try?
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19:52<sof>i can pull sound card out and swap them
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19:52<Xenguy>sof: It can't hurt...
19:53<sof>thanks for the hel
19:53<Xenguy>sof: I can't say it will work, but sometimes I've found there's a bit of voodoo depending on which cards get put in which slots
19:53<Xenguy>sure, good luck
19:54<sof>yea i just have not had to do that in a long time
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19:54<Xenguy>sof: the truth is I detest hardware, except when it works ;-) Give me software to play with any day
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---Logopened Tue Oct 27 20:03:42 2009
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20:06<juacar24>hi , somebody can helpme , i have a problem whit debian lenny and kde
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20:06<Guiiks_>explain your problem :)
20:06<Guiiks_>if i can help you ...
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20:08<juacar24>before install kde on lenny , now i can acces to several partitions
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20:10<juacar24>this what konquerror say when i try to mount 3 of my 5 partitions
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20:40<Xenguy>Q. I like the 'multitail' utility, but I *don't* want it to tell me when I have new email. Is there a way to disable this?
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20:41<ODDity>Im a long suffering ubuntu user thinking of switching to debian.. I'm pretty well linuxed up, I started with slackware so i'm not scared of command line or anything.. i'm just wondering if debian has decided to integrate the pulseaudio system (which I dislike) amongst other things
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20:42<azeem>ODDity: as for most Linux distributions, you can make your own decision if you are admin/root
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20:43<azeem>I guess it is safe to assume that for the new stable Debian release, if you choose GNOME desktop, you will get pulseaudio as well
20:43<jiohdi>ODDity: I made the switch because ubuntu is great in many ways, but things crash all the time... I like debian's rock solid nature
20:43<azeem>not sure about lenny and/or KDE
20:44<ODDity>I really like gnome, I don't like the way in 9.10 the system tray now holds the audio controls and requires pulse to function properly.
20:44<ODDity>I suppose if it was a gnome decision that makes some difference
20:44<ODDity>time to go back to xfce perhaps
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20:45<azeem>pulseaudio is not (yet?) part of the GNOME desktop
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20:45<ODDity>it seems in ubuntu 9.10 it is very tightly knitted in azeem
20:45<azeem>it's just that every major desktop distribution ships it along GNOME because it is vastly superior in features to the other sound servers
20:46<Xenguy>I dunno, but I keep reading about 'issues' with pulseaudio :-/
20:46<Xenguy>nm, multitail issue solved
20:46<ODDity>I appreciate the proposed benefits of pulse, however it conflict with openGL apps on my system causing them to become unusable, I'm not the only one experiencing it either
20:48<ODDity>audio/video lag seems to be an issue a buddy of mine had before I got him to purge pulse from the newly upgraded 9.10
20:49<ODDity>it's a shame because new users with these issues would probably just give up
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20:50<Suzuran>Just for whoever's reference, whoever cares about this:
20:50<Suzuran>The odd problem I was reporting yesterday or the day before about X11 failing with a raster and a black screen
20:50<Suzuran>is apparently because someone somewhere decided that the normal X11 background image should be replaced with a black screen.
20:50<Suzuran>This is in both testing and unstable.
20:51<Suzuran>Meaning if you just type "X" and expect to see output you will get nothing and think the server is broken and spend a week fighting with it.
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20:52<icebrain>ODDity: OSSv4 gives you software mixing and per-app volume, without the latency problems, as far as I can tell
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20:54<ODDity>icebrain, ok, I don't know anything about OSSv4 but I will research it thank you. On the other-hand, I really have no specific requirement for such advanced features at the moment, whilst I appreciate how they could be useful. I just want stuff to work
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20:56<icebrain>ODDity: software mixing is not really an advanced feature, it's necessary if you want sound from multiple apps (ex: music and a flash video)
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20:58<ODDity>icebrain, yes, I don't generally listen to more than 1 thing at a time, I have a very basic setup, however if that functionality can happen without detriment to my other applications I'm all for it
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20:59<overddose>anyone know how i can deal with rar files and zip files in debian?
20:59<koollman>overddose: I suppose you want to install unzip and unrar
20:59<jiohdi>overddose: p7zip and unrar
20:59<overddose>^ thx
21:00<overddose>how would i use p7zip?
21:00<overddose>or how can i set it as default archive manager
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21:00<jiohdi>command line p7zip -x (file)
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21:01<overddose>do i have to navigate to the folder the file is in EVERY time?
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21:02<jiohdi>term holds previous commands, you can just up arrow a few times
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21:03<overddose>hmm. when is someone going to make an archive manager that works with zip and rar files with a gui >_>
21:03<jiohdi>there is a thunar plugin
21:03<overddose>which is...
21:03<jiohdi>apt-cache search thunar
21:04<overddose>thank you, thunar was never installed.
21:04<icebrain>AFAIK, archive manager (from Gnome) can unpack RARs if you have unrar installed
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21:04<overddose>i dont know how to install unrar, unless its just an aptitude installation :P
21:05<jiohdi>you can apt-get install unrar
21:05<overddose>says package has no installation candidate for unrar
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21:06<icebrain>overddose: unrar is from non-free
21:06<jiohdi>try unrar-free
21:06<icebrain>overddose: you will have to include the nonfree repository in your sources.list
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21:06<icebrain>jiohdi: unrar-free doesn't unpack RARv3 files, which are the most used now
21:06<overddose>ok. it got it from free
21:07<overddose>how would i go about adding the non free
21:07<craigevil>there are two version of unrar, the 'free' one and the non-free one
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21:08<icebrain>overddose: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "nonfree" after "main"
21:09<overddose>which main
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21:09<overddose>i have volatile, backports, and the dvd which i never use
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21:10<craigevil>you should have a line like deb lenny main contrib non-free
21:10<overddose>nope lol. wasnt added
21:10<craigevil>add the contrib non-free parts
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21:11<icebrain>overddose: try pasting your sources.list to pastebin and post the link here
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21:12<overddose>question, when i add lines to the sources list, do i have to have a full line between the different software sources?
21:12<overddose>also, what is the purpose of the # before the line
21:12<icebrain>it's a comment, not a command
21:12<icebrain>overddose: in line 14 you have: "deb lenny main"
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21:13<icebrain>overddose: change it to: "deb lenny main contrib nonfree"
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21:13<overddose>lol, sorry, didnt see it
21:14<icebrain>sorry: it's "non-free", not "nonfree"
21:15<craigevil>also the line for security and volatile are both commented, at the very least you should probbaly uncomment the security line
21:15<overddose>still has no installation candidate
21:15<craigevil>did you run aptitude update after editing the file
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21:16<overddose>anyone play borderlands yet?
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21:17<overddose>nice! it worked, thanks!
21:17<overddose>now, if you will excuse me, imma grab a beer...
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21:23<overddose>anyone like my desktop :[
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21:26<worellana>overddose, looks good
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21:26<overddose>i got it in black, white, green and blue too
21:26<overddose>only thing i stole was the mac osx bar
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21:27<overddose>i need to learn more linux >__>
21:28<overddose>but i cant stop playing borderlands...
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21:28<dbldtx>overddose; Extremely clean theme - I reallllly like that it's so seamless. Borderlands is more important than what your desktop LOOKS like...
21:28<dbldtx>I just think that you should be using IRSSI instead of xChat
21:29<overddose>it came with the install.
21:29<overddose>but i need to port my insurgent irc over ;[
21:29<overddose>need to haz mah botnet...
21:29<dbldtx>Overdose, can I make you a sweet custom wallpaper to match that blueish color?
21:29<overddose>yes sir.
21:29<overddose>any contributions would be greatly appreciated and much obliged.
21:29<dbldtx>I'm just not digging the stock wallpaper - everything else looks so clean to have something so DEFAULTY
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21:30<overddose>only thing i had that looked like it would match
21:30<dbldtx>In my opinion, on Linux, default looks kind of tacky -
21:30<overddose>i concur...
21:30<dbldtx>You like that color though? I have to do something else but I will be here in 30 minutes with your paper. 1280x1024 is good?
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21:54<dbldtx>overddose; you here? do you want your wallpaper to say overddose? overddose@somesys.tem?
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21:55<dbldtx>just overddose?
21:56<joggle>does grub (legacy) support ext4?
21:56<joggle>for lenny that is
21:57<overddose>and dbldtx, yes.
21:57<joggle>ok, thanks
21:57<ODDity>does lenny have a gui package manager like synaptic?
21:58<dbldtx>ODDity; Synaptic, Aptitude
21:58<overddose>closest you will get is aptitude
21:58<kop>ODDity: Lenny has synaptic.
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21:59<kop>joggle: No.
21:59<ODDity>I move to debian at the weekend then
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22:00<kop>dpkg: tell joggle about ext4
22:00<kop>ODDity: Cool. Take your time and get help here (and you'll regret not having a backup if you need one.)
22:01<joggle>oh, it doesn't?
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22:02<ODDity>kop, thanks, im sure it'll be fine stuff is in the cloud anyway. I'm glad there are folks around though
22:02<hidr0>how can i find out what driver my wifi card is using on backtrack 4?
22:03<kop>joggle: Not according to the bot.
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22:03<goodger>joggle: grub 1.97 was released very recently and says it is the first to include support for ext4, so I suspect that grub-legacy lacks support
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22:03<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
22:03<overddose>i still have 1.5 grub
22:03<overddose>is 1.7 better?
22:03<joggle>i see
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22:04<kop>overddose: Easiest to use whatever goes with your debian version.
22:04<hidr0>thank you
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22:08<joggle>kop, thank you, i'm reading through the links the bot sent me ^^
22:09<dbldtx>overddose; I did one that had overddose written on it but with how your icons/menubars are, I just thought it didn't look as clean.
22:09<dbldtx>Hopefully the color matches well and you can post an even sicker screenshot - never know until it's all the way together
22:11<overddose>i love you.
22:11<overddose><3 i love it
22:12<dbldtx>Thanks, hopefully the colors match well.
22:12<overddose>they do
22:13<dbldtx>I just think that nobody should have to have a default wallpaper - especially when the theme, etc is custom. All I did was get the wallpaper of that linux keyboard (with tux), and added a "light" effect the color you'd had matched
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22:14<joggle>goodger, does this mean grub-legacy in Squeeze does not support ext4 either?
22:14<goodger>I can only assume this is the case
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22:14<joggle>ok, thank you
22:14<goodger>however, I am using ext4 with 0.96 at this time, with no issues
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22:15<goodger>I suspect it is treating the root partition as ext3 for the purpose of loading the kernel
22:15<joggle>i see, i thought it would do that, but i was not sure
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22:17<joggle>i'm helping troubleshoot a question on Arch Linux's forum, someone has trouble booting Arch using Debian's grub (dual boot ftw)
22:17<dbldtx>That's the other one, but I think the text looks kind of out of place ~ dunno. But yes, glad to help.
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22:18<dbldtx>If any of you ever need wallpapers, send me a screenshot and I will give you a custom wallpaper of exactly what I think you need - it's a slow day @ work today.
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22:21<sney>dbldtx: off-topic, but sure, why not.
22:21<Ikarus>dbldtx: how about just a generic unbranded one that goes well with the default gnome theme (meh, can't get at one of the machines it'd go on)
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22:22<Ikarus>got some people not wanting the default debian wallpaper but not coming up with something on their own
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22:23<Ikarus>(meh, can't get at one of the machines right now, else I'd give you a screenshot)
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22:26<overddose>dbldtx, you did a great job lol. the tint is perfect on the pic. XD
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22:27<adb> overddose, dbldtx join #debian-wallpapers
22:27<overddose>dont be like that adb...
22:27<overddose>also, sney, nice birds.
22:27<sney>this should all really be in #debian-offtopic
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22:28<sney>I'm a bad person for encouraging it. :(
22:28<overddose>we can stop when someone asks a questions
22:28<Ikarus>it's a slow day on #debian aswell so meh
22:28<adb>overddose, i'm serious ,
22:28<overddose>i like wallpapers :[
22:28<k1lumin4t1_>does anybody know what in god's world happened to Debian Squeeze weekly/daily i386 CD/DVD iso?
22:29<k1lumin4t1_> <--- nothing
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22:30<sney> k1lumin4t1_
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22:30<k1lumin4t1_>sney, is that squeeze?
22:31<Ikarus>k1lumin4t1_: it usually means the build failed :)
22:31<Ikarus>can happen
22:31<Ikarus>that's why it is testing not stable
22:31<k1lumin4t1_>sney, hmmm... I am in the need of CD/DVD complete iso
22:31<sney> more information is here.
22:31<sney>there are no daily builds of a complete CD1 that I am aware of
22:31<sney>it's just netinst
22:31<k1lumin4t1_>there were in the past
22:31<k1lumin4t1_>through jigdo
22:32<sney>oh, in weekly it seems
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22:32<sney>I guess we're right back to where you were. Never mind. >_>
22:32<adb>overddose, i create #debian-wallpapers special for you ;)
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22:33<sney>never mind that dbldtx is the one actually making them
22:34<overddose>sney, you have an interesting set of photos sir.
22:34<overddose>can i have a backup of your lolcats?
22:34<sney>it's just a big ol image dump
22:34<sney>most of the stuff on there I FTP'd up because I wanted to show someone once
22:34<overddose>YOU HAVE THE PIC
22:35<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
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22:36<overddose>srsly. why do that...
22:36<sney>overddose: just take it to #debian-offtopic
22:36<overddose>sney, you are a winrar for the birds...
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22:37<sney>overddose: /join #debian-offtopic and you can see the other Bioshock cartoon. Keep it up in here and someone will probably ban you
22:38<overddose>what happened to fun. :[
22:38<overddose>am stop...
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22:39<redmaw>hey, how do I find out if I should install lib32nss-mdns or libnss-mdns?
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22:40<overddose>sney, nao fun?
22:40<overddose>disregard that...
22:41<sney>redmaw: if this is in response to the Wine warning message that says you can't connect to the internet, you can safely ignore it. Even when both libnss-mdns AND lib32nss-mdns are installed, the warning still shows; however, it doesn't apply. Wine connects to the internet no problem.
22:41<redmaw>oh well I installed it anyway lol
22:41<sney>(note: I've only seen it on AMD64)
22:41<redmaw>that what I'm running
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22:41<overddose>amd64 has so many problems...
22:42<overddose>also, i dont think that squeeze works too well with amd64
22:42<sney>I think it's probably something that Wine is expecting to have been compiled in, so when it doesn't see the support in its own binaries it throws that warning even though it doesn't mean anything.
22:42<sney>Seems fine here overddose. A couple nonsense warnings that don't affect day to day operation are better than the competition can offer even
22:43<Xenguy>.oO(excellent, resolvconf now removed and purged :-)
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22:45<overddose>sney, where are you from!
22:45<sney>it's where the fun happens
22:45<redmaw>hm, a folder shows up up with ls but I can't change to it
22:45<sney>because if it happens here, adb will ban you.
22:46<overddose>adb is not a nice person...
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22:46<overddose>i haz to halp.
22:46<sney>you can be in more than one channel at a time, you know. I'm in 23.
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22:47<sney>One could say that I collect IRC channels.
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22:54<Xenguy>redmaw: permissions issue then
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22:54<Xenguy>redmaw: oh, missed some of that previous convo
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