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00:23<jeff6780>how is everyone
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00:41<dbldtx>jeff6780; good, problem?
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00:46<the_spide21>Hi all, I was wondering if there is a way to install by just downloading the DVDs, share it via ftp server and install it from bootp?
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00:47<sney>that sounds almost like making your own local debian mirror
00:47<sney>so yes it's probably possible, but you'll need to figure it out yourself
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00:48<the_spide21>I am trying to migrate from Fedora and I've done it from the kernel by just typing, boot: method=ftp://user:pass@ip/ and then ENTER, but I do not know how to do it on Debian, since I've read that it is a good and stable distro.
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00:51<the_spide21>sney, I got all the DVDs already downloaded, FTP is linked to the DVD sources, I downloaded the netboot from debian and successfully boot from the network card via DHCP.
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00:51<the_spide21>sney, but when the installation progress start it does not recognize the kernel command set at boot.
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00:53<sney>I know you can install from a local mirror using debootstrap, but I've never tried the bootp method
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00:55<the_spide21>sney, any guide on how to do it?
00:55<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>., or
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00:59<the_spide21>sney, following guide....
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01:03<prem>in my lenny i have the entry "deb lenny main" lested in sources.list..but i cant view that entry in software-properties-gtk
01:04<prem>is this the feature or a bug..?
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01:04<prem>if i add a entry for squeeze or sid its getting dispaly under software-properties-gtk..except the lenny repo..
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01:05<prem>why it is happening like this..?any suggestions..?
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01:33<bpun>i finally got my 64bit debian installed :)
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02:24<dbldtx>bpun; what benefits do you get from 64bit?
02:24<dani>id like an answer for that too
02:24<dani>i hardly noticed a dif between 32 and 64
02:25<Ikarus>heh, it's mainly with certain high performance computing tasks
02:25<Ikarus>desktop uses will hardly notice
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02:26<dani>what kind of computing tasks?
02:26<dani>like Counter Strike?
02:26<Ikarus>dani: anything that involves somehow mapping more then 2GB of data in the memory space of a computer
02:26<Ikarus>so for example certain forms of image editing
02:27<dani>ahh i see
02:27<dani>so a 64bit is totally useless for me? why did i get it them?
02:27<Ikarus>to show off
02:27<Ikarus>32bit userland is recommended for normal users
02:28<Ikarus>64 bit kernel does have some benefits, but you can have a 32 bit userland with a 64 bit kernel without issues
02:28<jm_>it's mostly address space as already mentioned
02:28<Ikarus>it's actually faster to have 32 bit userland for most users
02:28<Ikarus>(margin of around 3%)
02:28<dani>can i downgrade to 32bit without reformating my disk?
02:29<jm_>and you should use it if your system has more than 4G of RAM
02:29<Ikarus>jm_: nah
02:29<Ikarus>jm_: you just need a 64 bit kernel then
02:29<jm_>Ikarus: no, that solves nothing
02:29<Ikarus>jm_: uh, it solves the inefficiencies in MMU use
02:29<Ikarus>PAE is slower then 64 bit mode for the kernel
02:29<jm_>Ikarus: it doesn't allow you to give single process more memory
02:29<Ikarus>yes, but normal users don't do that
02:30<jm_>ahh I see, we have normal and abnormal users then
02:30<Ikarus>I am an abnormal user
02:30<Ikarus>probably you aswell
02:30<dani>normal here
02:31<jm_>I was using highmem kernel for a while at home on 4G system, but disabled it since hibernate is faster with just 1G of RAM :)
02:31<dani>hey why's this irc so barren, every time i come here there aren't many questions asked unlike the ubuntu channel
02:31*jrabbit doesn't base his arch choice on stupid rmours
02:31<valdyn>dani: #debian on freenode is bigger
02:31<Ikarus>dani: we have both here and a channel on freenode
02:31<jrabbit>because there are less questions.
02:32<Ikarus>jrabbit: hmm ? rumours ?
02:32<Ikarus>the main reason to pick 32 bit over 64 bit is compatibility
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02:33<Ikarus>the rest are reasons not to pick 64 bit
02:33<Ikarus>(it gains you nothing but headaches)
02:33<Ikarus>otoh, I regularly mmap() files over 20GB in size
02:33<dani>i agree. had lot much less trouble with 32bit. but then i learnt a whole lot more with 64bit.
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02:33<Ikarus>so 64 bit is a requirement
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02:34<dani>whats the difference between debian and ubuntu?
02:35<steffan>dani: there is obviously going to be more questions asked in the Ubuntu channel
02:36<steffan>!tell dani -about based on
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02:48<hybrid_theory>wenass, finally I got to install squeeze 3D in my ati200 with radeon
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04:09<screenn>I have HP Proliant ML110 and heard it didn't not works with network adapter in Debian Etch, how about Lenny?
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04:13<screenn>and I have two hdd's on my server, maybe it's a good idea to create a raid, how to do that in debian?
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04:17<jm_>you can create RAID during installation or afterwards using mdadm etc.
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04:20<screenn>jm_ how do you think maybe is better to create lvm in installation step?
04:20<jm_>screenn: that's up to you, I wouldn't call it better - easier maybe
04:21<screenn>I'm not familiar with lvm and raid it's my first lvm installation :)
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04:22<screenn>jm_ so, I can leave not parted one hdd, and after installation parted it by hands and create raid with mdadm?
04:23<jm_>screenn: there's no point in doing RAID with one disk
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04:25<screenn>jm_ could you explain me better how to create lvm when I have installed debian in one partition and don't have parted second partition?
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04:26<jm_>screenn: try this
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04:27<screenn>jm_ ok, I'll, thanks
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04:38<screenn>jm_ looks not easy, I decided to use setup vlm method
04:38<screenn>jm_ could you help me with that?
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04:41<jm_>screenn: nope, I never used installer to do this
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04:45<screenn>jm_ ok, I'll try by myself
04:45<screenn>jm_ just don't have a lot of time for that
04:46<jm_>screenn: you can always come here and ask your questions and see if anyone can help
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04:50<Flakk>Hi people, How could I determine which video card exactly has my laptop? I guess there should be a terminal command showing it? i am using Lenny
04:50<screenn>jm_ thank you I'm really appreciate the help of community, and in the next time it will be important, couse I've found new Debian system administrator's job
04:51<jm_>then there are tools like lshw etc.
04:51<jm_>screenn: no problem
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04:52<Flakk>jm_ - it says among others Intel Corp Mobile 915 express graphics controller - i guess this is the name, right?
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04:52<jm_>Flakk: yes
04:53<Goliat>hi there :)
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04:55<Flakk>jm_ thanks!: actually what I want is more difficult :) I would like to get the display on another monitor and in the future on a videoprojector. If I just plug in my CRT monitor it give no real effect. The first question is: is it at all possible? I understand that the grah card is not that powerful. If it is possible, I guess I should modify my xorg.conf. the question is HOW ?
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04:56<jm_>Flakk: yes, there are xorg settings to tell it which port to use
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04:56<jm_>Flakk: and with newer versions you can use randr extensions for this AFAIK
04:57<Flakk>jm_ : could you tell me what are the xorg settings to modify? I will not need the display over two monitors, just waht to switch between them.
04:57<Flakk>What is the randr extension?
04:58<jm_>Flakk: man intel, read the OUTPUT CONFIGURATION section
04:58<jm_>Flakk: try playing with grandr
04:58<jm_>or gnome-randr-applet if you're using gnome
04:59<Flakk>yes it is gnome
04:59<jm_>grandr might have more options maybe
04:59<Flakk>should I install grandr? there is no command like this
05:00<Flakk>- doing -
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05:01<jm_>yeah install the package first
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05:09<Flakk>jm_ - i installed grandr, plugged in the other monitor, then have chosen it in the grandr menu. Here is what happened: (the result is the same if I just plug in the other monitor, then without grandr and whatever just boot) - the laptop screen is black, and the CRT screen is blinking wildly - only the toolbar sometimes is visible
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05:12<jm_>Flakk: what kind of CRT is this? did you check x logfiles?
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05:13<Flakk>jm_ - this is IIyama 24 inches monitor. where should I look for the x logfiles? - thanx
05:13<jm_>Flakk: ahh so good stuff -- /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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05:15<Flakk>jm_ - yes this CRt works without probs . will check x logs now
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05:17<virm>hello, where I can find system boot log file. What his nane?
05:17<jm_>which boot file?
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05:17<virm>when PC boot
05:17<jm_>it's not enabled by default
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05:17<screenn>jm_ one question about lvm
05:17<jm_>if you are referring to bootlog
05:18<screenn>I'll mount both sda1 and sdb1 into /
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05:18<virm>ok, where I can enable it?
05:18<dpkg>from memory, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
05:19<jm_>but if you only want kernel messages that's what dmesg is for
05:19<screenn>when I'll have disable one of them it still has all the data from / ?
05:19<screenn>like mirror
05:19<jm_>screenn:that depends on your RAID level, with mirroring that's the idea
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05:20<screenn>I wait to make mirror for this case if one of hdd will be broken
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05:20<screenn>* I want
05:20<jm_>that's RAID1
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05:22<screenn>jm_ may I chose it in lvm after setup also?
05:22<jm_>screenn: sure, but you'll need many manual steps if you want to convert your /
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05:30<screenn>jm_ the mirroring RAID level is it 0?
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05:30<screenn>jm_ sorry, RAID1
05:30<screenn>is it not default right?
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05:31<jm_>screenn: I have no idea if there are any defaults
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05:31<screenn>jm_ ok, I'll try to setup RAID1 from installation
05:32<screenn>is it possible to change RAID level after setup?
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05:34<jm_>not without copying stuff elsewhere, recreating things and copying it back
05:35<Flakk>jm_ : I have checked Xorg.0.log - I found only one indication there: no device specified for screen "default screen"
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05:36<jm_>Flakk: check things about DDC and modes
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05:36<defiant>hello. im having some issues writing to a NTFS formatted external USB drive
05:36<defiant>NTFS writing is supported correct?
05:37<jm_>FSVO supported yes
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05:39<Flakk>jm_ Latest ddc appearance is "module ddc is already built-in I2C bus CRTDDC_A initialized ...
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05:40<defiant>what is the diff between ntfs-3g and ntfsmount (ntfsprogs) ??
05:40<jm_>Flakk: it should also say which mode it's going to use
05:40<jm_>ntfs-3g needs FUSE
05:41<defiant>so is there a performance / functionality gain from using one or the other?
05:41<defiant>i dont mind using FUSE
05:41<jm_>I can't say - I only need kernel driver for RO access - some people say that using ntfs-3g is really slow, best go and try it
05:42<jm_>ahh and ntfs-3g should have more features
05:42<defiant>jm_: ok thanks for the info. appreciate it
05:42<jm_>defiant: no problem
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05:44<Flakk>jm_ loading ext Xfree86 VidModeExtension attemting to determine panel fixed mode output lvds using initial 1400*1050
05:44<Flakk>that is all
05:44<jm_>Flakk: is that correct mode? what does monitor say about the mode used?
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05:48<Flakk>jm_ : I guess I will not succeed like this. Maybe you could tell me what I should change in xorg.conf? - although it occurs to me now that the procedure of joining the videoprojector to it may demand another procedure; and I can not really do it now because I do not have the videoprojector at home... Am I right?
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05:49<jm_>Flakk: to boe honest, I don't know - maybe try telling it to use a different mode and see if that works
05:49<screenn>jm_ how can I look to the existing RAID level on my system?
05:49<jm_>screenn: what do you mean with look?
05:49<screenn>to know what level I have now
05:49<screenn>what kind of
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05:52<jm_>I don't know about lvm, for mdadm and MD driver it's mdadm -Q ... or cat /proc/mdstat
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05:56<screenn>jm_ ok, thanks
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06:04<zumbi>dpkg: fan control
06:04<dpkg>zumbi: wish i knew
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06:28<alephnull>Is lenny + xen a reasonable choice for a co-located box ? Or is kvm a better choice ?
06:29<petemc>xen works fine on lenny
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06:30<petemc>tho xen seems to be losing favour with linux peeps lately
06:31<jm_>because it's not in upstream kernel and there are no signs of improving patches to get there
06:31<alephnull>How about hedging bets with xen + libvirt. I presume it's purpose it to ease the upgrade path to kvm.
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06:55<peej>where should I host a project (on a sourceforge-like site)?
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07:23<steffan>peej: what sort of project?
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07:28<MrNaz>how would you specify a process to start on boot, given that the process has to be run as a user other than root ?
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07:29<jm_>MrNaz: init script, man start-stop-daemon
07:29<koollman>MrNaz: I would make a copy of /etc/init.d/skel for that process, and give the right arguments to start-stop-daemon in it. ( -c user )
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07:44<peej>steffan, basically a bunch of glue scripts running on top of a debian stack, with the ability to extend and integrate new bits into the system.
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07:45<peej>the actual function is running multiple uplinks for a natted lan, and being able to eyeball the situation via a web gui
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07:47<petemc>does the google suggestion not even warrant a response?
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07:48<steffan>peej: there are a handful of good hosting websites for projects, googlecode seems like a popular choice these days
07:48<steffan>!tell patofiero -about answer
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07:49<petemc>was that meant for me?
07:49*steffan nods
07:49<peej>petemc, you can treat my response to you like a return 0 ;-)
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07:50<peej>for the record, I've looked at it on your suggestion. The only quibble I have about it is it uses svn and hg, and may have ads. No big deal. Just wondering what else is out there too.
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08:03<pinglin>I have freebsd with limited ftp access to filesystem. Users can access only limited folders via ftp. Is it possible to get access to environment via curlftpfs?
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08:04<steffan>pinglin: this is #debian
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08:04<krlmk>good point -.-
08:05<pinglin>:)) I suppose it doesn't matter?
08:06<steffan>pinglin: i believe their support channel is on !freenode, then again if someone knows the answer to your question i'm sure they will reply
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08:14<Balsaq>iam currently a new user of ubuntu, seems like a little too much for my ancient dell, but lunber along, can i simply do a terminal command and change to a faster distro?
08:15<Ornedan>How does one build the nvidia kernel module in current testing?
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08:16<saravana>hi all
08:16<jm_>Ornedan: are you saying m-a no longer works?
08:16<jm_>!tell Balsaq -about ubuntu
08:16<Ornedan>jm_: Yup
08:17<jm_>Ornedan: why not?
08:17<Ornedan>Building fails
08:17<themill>!nvidia squeeze
08:17<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
08:17<jm_>then you may just need the source from sid
08:17<krlmk>hi saravana
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08:17<jm_>right dpkg agrees :)
08:17<krlmk>saravana: bye
08:18<Ornedan>Ok. Trying that out
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08:20<Balsaq>the bot said ubuntu can't live up to debian's standards? is debian a more advanced distro? ubuntu is very slow, i want to change, at least on this computer.
08:22<Ornedan>Excellent, it built. Now to see if it also works
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08:28<Ornedan>It did work :)
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08:30<Ornedan>Now for next problem: Is it a bug or misconfiguration that pressing the mute button on my laptop just shows the volume overlay, but doesn't actually toggle mute? Using KDE4 from testing, the mute button is recognized as mute button in the KDE hotkeys config and bound to KMix mute action
08:35<Ornedan>On further poking about, it was a configuration issue: the KMix "Mute" action mutes current master channel and the default master channel was set to PCM (not muteable) instead of Master (muteable)
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08:43<bisleri>back from xchat
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08:46<bisleri>how do i make the fonts look good? the fonts in the terminal and xchat look sharp and squggly
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08:47<steffan>bisleri: just change the font?
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08:49<bisleri>in what? i changed the xchat font to verdana .. but the menu bar and all look fat
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09:22<rafael_ll>buenas tard3s
09:22<rafael_ll>me podria ayudar sobre debian live?
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09:23<rafael_ll>mi problema es que he generado una live ara usb y no se como hacer pesistente para que cuando haga cambios queden en el
09:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:24<rafael_ll>rogaria sie este canal no es el adecuado para hacer la consulta me remiteran al adecuado
09:24<rafael_ll>muchas gracias
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10:12<wintallo>Is it possible to use lynx over SSH to change linksys router settings?
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10:13<petemc>probably not
10:13<petemc>but there would be nothing to stop you trying
10:13<ichdasich>wintallo: try?
10:14<wintallo>heh, i've tried, I just can't get the form to submit
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10:16<ichdasich>wintallo: try ssh -D 2342 -N user@host, and the point your firefox to use a socksproxy at localhost, port 2342
10:16<ichdasich>and then, even.
10:16<wintallo>I'm a beginner... can you explain that to me?
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10:17<jm_>wintallo: maybe it's javascript crap, so you simply need to figure out what it sends and if GET forms work you can use that with lynx
10:18<ichdasich>wintallo: just issue the command ssh -D 2342 youruser@yourhost
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10:18<ichdasich>and then fire up a firefox @localhost
10:19<jm_>yeah easy to debug it that way
10:19<wintallo>i'm on windows 7 ssh'ing into debian with putty...
10:19<jm_>this also works with putty
10:19<wintallo>okay lemme look into it
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10:21<wintallo>okay so i ran putty -D 2342 <my user>@<host>
10:21<wintallo>putty came up and I typed in my pw
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10:21<wintallo>now I go to firefox on my current machine and go to localhost:2342?
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10:27<wintallo>that's fucking awesome
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10:29<wintallo>holy fuck. that's possible the coolest thing I've ever seen. god damn. jizzed.
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10:36<screenn>jm_ I've configured raid, it works now, but I can't boot system from one from the hdd's
10:36<Woet>I've ran 'ssh-keygen' (as root) on a remote server, then copied the id_rsa and key to my machine and try to login, but it doesn't accept the public key for some reason
10:36<Woet>RSAAuthentication and PubkeyAuthentication are both enabled and I've ensured the files are identical through a checksum
10:37<themill>Woet: you don't just copy the key, you need to add it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. The ssh-copy-id utility is set up for doing this for you
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10:38<Woet>'~/.ssh/authorized_keys' is on the machine I want to login into?
10:38<Woet>or the machine I use to login into the other machine?
10:38<ichdasich>Woet: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys is on the remote side
10:40<Woet>so, on the machine I want to login into
10:40<Woet>I just need to do ssh-keygen, right?
10:42<themill>Woet: you normally run ssh-keygen on the client machine then use ssh-copy-id to copy *only* the public key from the client to the server and ssh-copy-id sticks it into .ssh/authorized_keys for you
10:42<Woet>i'll read some more mans
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10:42<Woet>i got the wrong idea of hostkey based authentication
10:42<Woet>i thought it was vice versa
10:42<Woet>thanks, that should get me on track
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10:54<chrisreich>I need some help please with aptitude update. when updating, I consistently get errors "Temporary failure resolving ''". Servers are available - verified on another computer.
10:56<chrisreich>My file /etc/apt/sources.list copied from a computer of another platform (PPC). But this file is only text so should be okay, shouldn't it?
10:57<Woet>well, seems like a DNS problem to me
10:57<Woet>try host ?
10:58<chrisreich>perhaps a 'ping'?
10:58<Woet>no, host will resolve it
10:58<Woet>(so will ping, but meh)
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10:58<chrisreich>sorry I don't understand 'host'
10:58<peej>chrisreich, did you trying pinging to see if it resolved?
10:59<Woet>well, just give your server the command 'host' and see whether it resolves
10:59<chrisreich>no, will try now.
10:59<peej>on the machine on which aptitude is failing
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11:00<chrisreich>mmmm. timed out; no servers could be reached. I'll bet I have network issue
11:00<chrisreich>probably in my re-configured kernel.
11:00<chrisreich>thank you guys
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11:01<peej>I'd first try and rule out name resolution problem paths.
11:02<chrisreich>trying stock kernel first
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11:02<chrisreich>LAN here is okay.
11:02<peej>grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf first, surely
11:03<chrisreich>yep, it's my kernel - going to troubleshoot kernel now. Again thanks guys.
11:04<chrisreich>I never heard of 'host' command - I look it up later.
11:04<kop>I'd like to run Debian on a Sheeva plug (ARM arch) but this page,, says that the installer won't install lenny. Uh, why not?
11:04<wintallo>where can I find detailed information about what packages are installed with each category chosen in 5.0.3 net install?
11:05<peej>chrisreich, how'd you reach that conclusion?
11:05<chrisreich>rebooted into stock kernel and found internet working ok with host and ping commands.
11:07<kop>wintallo: I've had that question before and not bothered to try to find the answer. It'll likely be somewhere in the installer source/docs. But I find it simpler just to install the bare minimum and then install the programs I want. (Which often include giant meta-packages like xorg, x-window-manager, gnome, and kde).
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11:07<wintallo>okay thanks
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11:08<peej>kop, probably because lenny's installer can't cope with the hardware? What happens when you do try it?
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11:10<kop>peej: I've not spent the money for the device yet. I'm trying to figure out ahead of time what I'll be getting into. I _should_ at least be able to run the squeeze installer and install lenny, I'd think....
11:12<kop>peej: The device is "Linux" with some proprietary bits added in. At least it comes that way. Those bits might be unnecessary, say to access the jtag or some such. (Although the page referenced won't install to the device's flash, which is sad because it means an extra CF card is required.)
11:14<peej>Plugtops certainly look interesting for the low power. Alternatives: slug, linkstation, linksys wrtXXXX.
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11:19<chealer>wintallo: in tasksel-data
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11:20<kop>peej: I've used a linksys wrtXXXX and find it annoying that I can't just buy one, but have to go to ebay and pay attention to serial numbers to get something that works. Also, I like the sheeva's form factor.
11:21<Ikarus>buy a WRT54GL
11:21<Ikarus>but yeah, if you need easy installation of Debian don't get one of those
11:21<Ikarus>otoh the Sheeva plug is a shitty design
11:21<Ikarus>it lacks ports
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11:23<kop>Ikarus: That's what's appealing, because it's got all that I need.
11:23<Ikarus>ah well, go for it then
11:23<kop>Ikarus: (I admit I'd like a second USB port.)
11:23<dr|z3d>Yup, can't go wrong with the GL.. just make sure you don't buy the G.
11:24<chrisreich>update: found the mis-configuration of my kernel and corrected it. Now re-compiling. Thank you gentlemen for the assistance.
11:24<Ikarus>yup, the GL is DESIGNED to run Linux and be reflashed
11:24<dr|z3d>IIRC the GL has a firewire port.
11:24<Ikarus>dr|z3d: no
11:24<Ikarus>dr|z3d: it's just ethernet
11:24<Ikarus>you can't get USB out of it even
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11:32<steffan>nicolas: hi
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11:38<jthomas_sb_>Can anyone watch a full video here, with HTML5 embedded video? I don't know if its my Iceweasel that is having issues or the Apache2 server, but all three of those videos stop halfway through and never recover...
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11:39<ruotsalainen>i have several million files on a machine. what's the fastest package that provides updatedb/locate ?
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11:41<dpkg>rumour has it, mlocate is a replacement for the locate and slocate tools from lenny onwards. mlocate is clever in that it remembers timestamps on directories so it doesn't need to rebuild the entire database each day. See for more information.
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11:47<arw>hello folks
11:48<dli>I would like to install from USB, where do I get the installer images for testing(squeeze)?
11:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell dli -about install testing
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11:50<dli>gsimmons, thanks
11:51<peej>ruotsalainen, it's actually aliased by default in lenny to locate
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11:51<johns>I sure wish it didn't take 10 seconds for the gnome volume control to come up when I hit the up volume key for the first time each day
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11:51<ruotsalainen>i thought there was more than one package that provided locate, i guess i am wrong!
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12:04<kdp>Stupid fstab problem- (lenny). I have a number of hd partitions that debian install didn't put into fstab. I'm trying to add them, and I think I'm not getting the right entry for mount point
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12:05<kdp>When I use "none" there are no files, when I use / the root file system shows up.
12:05<kmap>kdp: Well, how about using mount to mount them first to check?
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12:06<kdp>if I say "mount hdg", it says it can't find it in mtab or fstab
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12:08<cahoot>created mountpoint(s)?
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12:09<kdp>? If I go to konqueror, system:media the drives show up there
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12:10<cahoot>kdp: you know the meaning of 'mountpoint'?
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12:11<kdp>probably not at this point- I did some web searching to try to figure out how to mount those drives in debian
12:11<kmap>kdp: You have to create directories; say in /media, and then mount the drives there
12:11<kmap>e.g. mkdir /media/sda1;mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
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12:14<kdp><trying it now>
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12:18<kdp>OK, did the mkdir and mount command. Changed the mountpoint in fstab to point to /media/hdg1. Now what?
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12:24<kdp>"/dev/hdg2 /media/hdg2 ext3 user,noauto,rw 0 2" = fstab entry
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12:31<cahoot>kdp: so try mount /media/hdg2
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12:36<kdp>it says it's currently mounted at / and cannot unmount
12:36<kdp>tried logging out, same thing. Maybe reboot?
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12:37<kdp>I'll try rebooting and see what happens. Thanks!
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13:04<d_b>I'm about to request a package for Debian. Someone on the irc channel of that package said that a reason for it not being in Debian repository could be that they haven't made official releases, they just try to keep the code repository stable. Would this be a problem if I'm about to request the package? Does Debian put -svn, -git, -hg, etc packages in the repository?
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13:05<d_b>The package is OpenTyrian by the way, if anyone is curious :)
13:06<themill>d_b: wine existed only as cvs snapshots for years. It's not that uncommon, as long as the program is actually usable as a random VCS snapshot. (Think about a 3-year support time frame for that package too if you think it's suitable for inclusion in a stable release)
13:08<d_b>themill: sounds promising, thanks!
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13:17<Ikarus>d_b: you'll have to stabilise the package yourself though, ie, if any security fixes are made you'll have to backport them to the snapshot you made, etc
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13:18<ethoxyethaan>ffmpeg basically runs on trunc allone.
13:18<d_b>Ikarus: I'm a regular user so I can't do that. I'm putting in a RFP (request for package) and hoping that someone else is willing to do the work :)
13:19<Ikarus>d_b: youch
13:19<Ikarus>d_b: what do you want packaged ?
13:19<d_b>Ikarus: OpenTyrian blast from the past!
13:20<Ikarus>d_b: but given it has very little security issues being a game
13:20<Ikarus>why not become a DD yourself and find a sponsor
13:21<d_b>I don't know anything about... well, anything :)
13:23<patrikf>is there a restriction on the size of attachments in BTS mails?
13:25<peej>d_b: file:///usr/share/doc/debian-reference-common/html/ch13.en.html#makingdebianpackage is a start. The rest of that book is pretty good too, imho.
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13:46<trinity1it>hello friends, ciao.
13:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:48<fabricio>Meu acesso a net é via wireless com autenticação pppoe. Dependendo da hora, cai sempre. No WinXP tem como eu controlar a rede, mas no Debian não consigo.
13:48<gudge25>hello can you help me---when i change MAC i got this---SIOCSIFHWADDR:Can not assign requested address
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13:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:51<d_b>peej: thanks but I don't think I'd be very good :) Anyway, package requested and fingers crossed.
13:53<gudge25>HEY GUYS -----------CAN U HELP ME
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13:53<exn>hey guys ! anybody knows a good rootkit for linux ?
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13:55<themill>gudge25: how are you trying to change the mac address? there are different ways and they work with different hardware
13:55<themill>exn: wrong channel
13:56<exn>themill, why ? it's security question
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13:56<exn>don't think it's wrong channel
13:56<azeem>exn: apt-cache search rootkit
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13:57<gudge25>/sbin/ifdown eth1
13:57<gudge25>/sbin/ifconfig eth1 hw ether 0137075F2787
13:57<gudge25>/sbin/ifup eth1--using root
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13:57<exn>azeem, but there only tools for rootkit detecting
13:57<exn>I want to try , I want know how it work and what do with it
13:58<exn>of course i'm not a bad guy :)
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14:02<peej>gudge, doesn't it need ":" in between the chars?
14:03<Titan8990>peej, don't think so
14:04<peej>also, maybe the link should be down?
14:04<themill>I thought it did, but he's not come back since helper kicked him
14:04<Titan8990>peej, actually it doesn't say what the format should be in the man page
14:05<peej>themill, mebbe he tried it ;-)
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14:15<Hagfish2> Should that really be a serious bug? It's saying that you can't install libmozjs1d-dbg and libmozjs2d-dbg at the same time, but as latter is the upgrade of the former, that shouldn't be a problem in practice should it?
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14:17<themill>Hagfish2: if they can't be installed together, they should conflict. That the maintainers have used different package names implies that they are trying to make them co-installable (probably to help maintain new and old things in the archive at the same time during a transition period)
14:18<Hagfish2>themill: interesting, thank you
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14:24<chealer>Hagfish2: yes. people upgrading from lenny to squeeze could get an upgrade error if trying to install the latter with the former installed. libmozjs2d-dbg should declare a conflict with libmozjs1d-dbg just like it declares a conflict with libmozjs0d-dbg.
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14:44<anton_>hey Guys ----------- i have a problem -----------SIOCSIFHWADDR:Can not assign requested address
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14:45<phil>Is there a drawback in using the -bigmem kernel flavour in comparision to the plain -686 one?
14:45<dondelelcaro>phil: potentially slower
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14:46<dondelelcaro>phil: if you don't have a machine with >> 4G, you don't care about the bigmem kernel
14:46<phil>dondelelcaro: But only if highmem is used, or?
14:46<phil>dondelelcaro: Well, there might be two bits: one is NX emulation, which needs PAE but I don't know if it's available through the -686 flavour too, and bigmem supports Xen domU operation.
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14:47<phil>All the machines are able to do PAE anyway, despite them having only 1 or 2 GB or RAM, I wonder though if I could unify on one flavour.
14:48<anton_>i have a problem -----------SIOCSIFHWADDR:Can not assign requested address----------HELP me PLEAAAAAAAAAAASE
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14:48<Killing_Frost>Hello. I'm running squeeze and it's entering things for me at the console for some weird reason.
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14:49<sagewk>is there a channel for help building packages, or is this the place?
14:49<steffan>sagewk: #debian-mentors
14:49<sagewk>steffan: thanks
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14:51<locklace>Killing_Frost: you must have installed the dwim package
14:51<Killing_Frost>Anyone know where to look to figure out why Squeeze would be typing random crap on my consoles?
14:51<steffan>Killing_Frost: pastebinit
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14:54<Killing_Frost>I don't think I have pastebinit on the system. Nothing in man or apropos.
14:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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14:54<steffan>Killing_Frost: alternativly you could just "pastebin it"
14:54<Ikarus>hmz, is there any multicast Debian updater ? or will I have craft my own mad creation for it
14:54<phil>Ikarus: There's something torrent-based.
14:54<Ikarus>phil: ieeuw
14:55<phil>Ikarus: multicast doesn't sound sane in any way
14:55<Fundasalud_lara>buenas tardes amigos alguien que hable español
14:55<Ikarus>phil: I have a multicast capable network :)
14:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:55<phil>Ikarus: So?
14:55<Ikarus>phil: and torrent sounds like an even worse plan
14:55<sney>apt over tftp! what could go wrong?
14:55<Ikarus>the issue is that my backbone is too limited
14:55<phil>Ikarus: You know, torrent allows you to request segments you need. Multicast doesn't.
14:55<Ikarus>phil: so you run a protocol over multicast that allows that
14:56<Ikarus>phil: the issue with torrents is that it can still saturate my backbone
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14:56<Ikarus>most torrent programs I know aren't netblock aware
14:57<valdyn>Ikarus: cant you use local debian package caches?
14:57<phil>Ikarus: You can anycast local Debian mirrors in the backbone.
14:57<Ikarus>that would mean having Debian mirrors all over the place
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14:57<valdyn>Ikarus: sure
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14:57<phil>Well, or caches.
14:57<valdyn>Ikarus: no big deal
14:58<valdyn>Ikarus: caches, not full mirrors
14:58<Ikarus>valdyn: it is when the bottleneck points are created in a wiring closet
14:58<Ikarus>I'd hate to hang servers there
14:58<Ikarus>the cooling is limited
14:59<Ikarus>(uh, wiring closets, plural)
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15:00<Ikarus>for me the idea of having all the boxes ask via unicast to the multicast server for which packages to be broadcasted makes perfect sense
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15:01<fff>:) hi
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15:02<fff>somebody can help me?
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15:03<locklace>!can anyone help
15:03<dpkg>Don't bother asking things like "can anyone help with foo" or "are there any experts here on bar"... you'll never get an answer. Just ask me question up front, and if anyone knows the answer, they'll help you.
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15:03<adrian>only english?
15:03<locklace>!tell adrian about en
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15:04<locklace>dpkg: can anyone help =~ s/ask me/ask your/
15:04<dpkg>locklace: OK
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15:06<fff>i have a problem while i want change MAC --------SIOCSIFHWADDR:Can not assign requested address
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15:07<nikitoska>Hello friends!) i have a little question.... my screen resolution is now 1400x1050 but HOW can i make it 1680???
15:07<locklace>fff: try macchanger
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15:08<locklace>nikitoska: xrandr -q to see available resolutions in x. if the one you want doesn't exist, you get to define it yourself in xorg.conf
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15:13<arlindo>i need help
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15:13<arlindo>how to update security issues using apt-get?
15:13<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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15:15<arlindo>what about etch? just need to change the name from lenny to etch?
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15:15<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
15:16<arlindo>oldstable security
15:16<locklace>!oldstable security
15:16<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch. Security support for etch is expected through until about February 2010.
15:16<chrisreich>!oldstable security
15:17<chrisreich>!testing security
15:17<dpkg>NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>.
15:17<arlindo>unstable security
15:18<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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15:42<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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15:47<noflash>!tell cassetout -about selftell
15:48<cassetout>sry noflash, didnt know. thx for the info :)
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16:04<dpkg>well, sry is Sorry, or
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16:39<patrikf>is there a command-line tool that can map a list like "foo a|foo b|foo c|bar d" to a format like "foo a b c|bar d"?
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16:39<Titan8990>uhh, perl
16:41<patrikf>yeah, typing a perl oneliner atm
16:41<patrikf>but I thought there might be something already cooked-up :)
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16:43<Titan8990>does sound like may people would have files formatted in that way
16:43<Titan8990>are you parsing a log?
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16:44<Titan8990>oh, actually I would see if it was a syslog would have a similar format... but parsing it that way would make it a mess
16:44<Titan8990>assuming each "|" is a newline
16:45<patrikf>Titan8990: yeah, my |s are newlines.
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16:47<hannes_>Well perhaps here is someone who could help. Is there a possibility to remove a bugreport from bts?
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16:47<dondelelcaro>hannes_: no
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16:48<hannes_>dondelelcaro: deleting parts of it?
16:48<hannes_>and why isn't it possible?
16:48<dondelelcaro>hannes_: if you filed a bug in error, send a message to to close it. If you disclosed things that you didn't want to disclose, it's everywhere, so change that information.
16:49<dondelelcaro>because there are at least 4 mirrors and at least 5 or 6 mailing list archives which track everything, and because I don't want to open that can of worms.
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16:49<hannes_>dondelelcaro: it is not about the fact that the bug is closed or not. I just want to remove my e-mail address from being publicly available
16:50<dondelelcaro>it's too late now, unfortunatly.
16:51<bzed>hannes_: even if it would be removed from the bts, it is mirrored inthe internet a million times
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16:51<hannes_>why not using a login system?
16:51<locklace>!lose hannes_
16:51<dpkg>hannes_: You Lose.
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17:28<kriebel>when will all of GNOME be ready in sid for amd64?
17:28<kriebel>i.e. all of the 2.28 packages
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17:38<Makaraki>Hi everyone
17:38<Jimais>anyone have machine 100mbps
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17:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:59<chrisreich>I'm trying something new to me. I installed samba on a non-GUI SQUEEZE install. Dumb question to follow: how do I start the samba server running?
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18:00<chrisreich>typing 'samba' or 'smb' yields 'command not found'
18:00<Nemoder>chrisreich: it should be started by default, if not you can run '/etc/init.d/samba start'
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18:01<chrisreich>how can I tell if it's running?
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18:01<Nemoder>ps -A | grep samba
18:01<chrisreich>I'll do that. standby
18:01<Nemoder>ps -A | grep smbd
18:02<chrisreich>both forms of that command yield 'command not found'
18:03<chrisreich>I'm going to check aptitude to verify packages are installed.
18:03<chrisreich>verified - samba is installed
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18:05<chrisreich>I was looking for /etc/exports, it's not there so I thought I had to manually start samba.
18:06<kriebel>/etc/exports is for NFS and not Samba
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18:06<angelabad>configure samba at /etc/samba/smb.conf
18:07<chrisreich>ah I see, poor documentation here.
18:07<kriebel>how do you figure?
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18:08<chrisreich>my text is attempting to describe NFS and samba simultaneously. Poor choice editorially.
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18:08<chrisreich>I swear I'm going to write my own book. I've done it before.
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18:08<chrisreich>/etc/samba/smb.conf exists.
18:09<chrisreich>I'm going to inspect it.
18:09<Nemoder>chrisreich: you'll have to run /etc/init.d/samba restart after making changes to it
18:09<chrisreich>ok thanks
18:09<angelabad>chrisreich, you can install "swat - Samba Web Administration Tool"
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18:10<chrisreich>can I use swat w/o a GUI?
18:10<acu>I am confused - If I build computers and install Debian (obviously it would need customization as whether is Desktop or Server) - my question is whether I can state that this is a Computer with Debian GNU/Linux Installed ?
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18:10<angelabad>chrisreich, yes
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18:11<Nemoder>acu: why wouldn't you be able to?
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18:11<chrisreich>I'll install it and try to use it. Type 'swat' after the install?
18:11<angelabad>no, is a web tool
18:12<chrisreich>so no swat for me?
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18:13<chrisreich>what if I install the GUI? Then can I use swat to manage samba on my local machine? I was planning to install GUI later anyway. Is swat the easiest way to manage samba?
18:14<chrisreich>sorry for so many questions but I'm on my own with just some books and my wits.
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18:14<ichdasich>chrisreich: i personally prefer vim for managing samba.
18:15*kriebel agrees with ichdasich
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18:16<Arkaniad>Okay, so i'm in a bit of a pinch. When i installed debian i selected seperate /home partition. Well, now that i've been installing things, i've quickly run out of space for my webserver on /var/www. Is there any way i can combine both partitions without reinstalling?
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18:17<kriebel>yes, but it will require a good bit of work
18:17<Arkaniad>Work is fine.
18:17<Arkaniad>As long as its possible
18:17<kriebel>did you use LVM?
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18:17<kriebel>well maybe you should have ;-)
18:18<kriebel>re-boot to runlevel 1
18:18<kriebel>er, back up /home first
18:18<chrisreich>I just learned something about LVM! thanks!
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18:18<kriebel>delete the partition that has /home
18:18<Arkaniad>Just some info, i have it running remotely. Will i be able to ssh into it at runlevel 1 or will i have to drag it to a monitor?
18:18<kriebel>make two new ones, for mat them
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18:19<kriebel>then copy the contents of /var to the new partition
18:19<kriebel>and restore the contents of /home to that partition
18:19<kriebel>update /etc/fstab
18:19<kriebel>and reboot
18:20<Arkaniad>Er, that doesnt make much sense. Couldn't i shut it down after backing up /home, delete home and resize /?
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18:21<Arkaniad>Then i think ill just do that.
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18:21<kriebel>well, I don't know how big each of your parts are
18:21<Arkaniad>Root is like 6 gigs.. home is 50 something. Not hardly 1/4th full though.
18:21<kriebel>read up on parted, then
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18:22<Arkaniad>Im pretty good with gparted.
18:22<kriebel>use space from home then
18:22<Arkaniad>And back up root instead?
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18:22<kriebel>shrink /home
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18:22<Arkaniad>Im afraid im not following you. Ah
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18:23<kriebel>you can probably shrink /home without losing data with gparted
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18:24<Arkaniad>Yeah. Thanks! It took me a while to get debian set up and working good, i didnt want to have to re-do all that. :)
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18:25<kriebel>it takes about 40 minutes to set up Debian
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18:25<kriebel>but I do it lots and lots
18:25<Arkaniad>Well, i had a bunch of stuff to put in afterwords is what im saying.
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18:26<kriebel>I usually set up one box as a file server with homes
18:26<kriebel>so I never have to worry about user files
18:26<Arkaniad>Yeah, i only have one box for serving right now though, i wanna get plenty more eventually.
18:26<kriebel>and save the contents of `dpkg -l` to compare to a new installation
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18:27<Arkaniad>Well, thanks a'plenty. Now i gotta go haul the server to the nearest perhipherals. :)
18:27<Arkaniad>Have a good one
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18:30<bighornram>what is the issue with ffmpeg and mpeg2video encoder? I find info about a script but this is YEARS OLD and recently on upgrade to squeeze I lost mpeg2video capability.
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18:35<jiohdi>how do I tell which video is currently on... xorg vs xvesa?
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18:39<jiohdi>is there a command to tell which my system is currently using xorg or xvesa?
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18:51<bighornram>anoyone here?
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18:54<kriebel>jiohdi: look through the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what modules were loaded; also, "xorg' isn't the name of a display driver to the best of my recollection
18:55<kriebel>bighornram: I am here, more or less
18:55<kriebel>I've never used mpeg2video or whatever you're talking about, and suggest you try mencoder
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18:55<jiohdi>kriebel: what would I be looking for?
18:56<kriebel>just read it all and see what stands out
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18:57<kriebel>jiohdi: look for anything that matches the first part of the filenames of the files in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
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18:57<kriebel>like 'nv' or 'vesa' or 'fbdev'
18:57<mom>is there an install disc for sid?
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18:58<themill>dpkg: tell mom about install sid
18:58<Ark>Okay, i need some help. I'm trying to change my apache2 document root to a folder on a different partision. Is this possible? I have it set in sites-availible/default, but it gives me a site not found error in my browser. Trying to point it to /home/apache2/default, which i created.
18:58<kriebel>mom: look around the Debian site for a nightly debian installer build, install squeeze, and upgrade to sid after installing the minimal amount of packages
18:58*kriebel wonders how close he is to the "official" method
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18:59<bighornram>lol, glad to hear that, doesn't seem to be much interaction here lately
18:59<kriebel>Ark: check your logs? sounds like apache might not be running, or have been restarted since you changed things
18:59<themill>kriebel: I'd normally add "iyhtays" to that...
19:00<Ark>kribel: Where are the logs located?
19:00<kriebel>holy crap
19:00<mom>kriebel, ah ok so just switch out the repositories in the sources.lst
19:00<kriebel>how do people get on IRC and not know where logs are
19:00<kriebel>Ark: /var/log
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19:00<kriebel>mom: basically, yes. there might be some subtlety to that with updates, etc
19:00<mom>kriebel irc comes preinstalled and configured with debian :)
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19:01<kriebel>at 26 i feel like a long beard
19:01*kriebel headdesk
19:01<jiohdi>kriebel: it looks like is loading, how do I change that to vesa?
19:02<kriebel>jiohdi: is not a display driver
19:02<kriebel>it is an X server
19:02<Ark>kriebel: Thanks, i found out what was wrong. You're the best!
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19:02<jiohdi>vesa is a display thing though right?
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19:04<bleck>I used to have a fat32 drive mounted under linux, which obviously had no permissions set. I have since changed it to ext3, so It does now. my question is, how do I mount the drive so it doesn't care about permissions?
19:05<jiohdi>maybe I just got lucky... but I was going to black after loading... the xserver was not functioning right... then I found something and did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-video-vesa and it seemed to work
19:05<bleck>this is a share drive, so I don't want anyone to be able to set permissions
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19:05<kriebel>bleck: just use UNIX permissions correctly
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19:06<kriebel>jiohdi: likely that triggered the overall config script
19:06<mom>im going to burn an iso of debian testing then and take it to the installfest tomorrow at the LUG where everyone is probably going to have some buntu variant :)
19:06<kriebel> is really good at detecting hardware now, but sometimes it makes a mistake
19:06<kriebel>I'm guessing it treid to use a resolution your monitor didn't support, or you changed something in your hardware since installing
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19:07<kriebel>mom: you need a new LUG
19:07<Jimais>anyone have machine 100mbps
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19:07<bleck>I can set the permissions to allow everyone access, however, if a new file / dir gets written, the permssions are different
19:07<mom>and a copy of the debian with the bsd kernel
19:07<kriebel>Jimais: what are you talking about. That doesn't mean anything, sorry.
19:07<kriebel>bleck: there's a way to change that
19:07<kriebel>let me google
19:08<mom>well the other lug in town is advertising windows 7 lessons so mmm i dont think so
19:08<jiohdi>kriebel: I did not change anything that I know of... just some software additions
19:08<kriebel>then it's not much of a LUG
19:08<mom>the president is a windows user who wanted to have a group where he could learn about linux
19:09<kriebel>bleck: look up how to set a umask and sticky bit
19:09<bleck>kriebel: ok, thanks
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19:09<bighornram>I get prompted to authenticate with root password when trying to change locations in gnome clock but I can only sudo and have no root password.
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19:09<mom>thats why i go to the other lug who are mostly kubuntu developers
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19:09<kriebel>bighornram: are you using debian, or Ubuntu ;-)
19:09<mom>and suse users
19:09<bighornram>debian squeeze
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19:10<kriebel>then you damn well better be root
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19:10<mom>what time is squeeze released?
19:10<bighornram>when i installed selected no root password and can only do sudo to be root but it won't accept that password
19:11<bleck>thaaaanks people
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19:11<kriebel>wtf... who stupided up the debian installer that you can have no root password
19:11<kriebel>what is this, Windows XP?
19:12<kriebel>bighornram: `sudo dpkg-reconfiugre tzdata` then
19:13<bighornram>yea i can do that but i travel and seems like good utility to click the clock and change the zone. advanced install offered the no root password, sounded to me like a good idea as everyone says to do sudo anyways.
19:13<jiohdi>kriebel: could using su one time to many cause a problem with xserver?
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19:14<kriebel>jiohdi: only if you're editing its config
19:14<jiohdi>could I have accidently given root ownership over something that it should have?
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19:15<kriebel>jiohdi: oh... hmm, unlikely. you would see errors to that affect in xorg.0.log as well
19:15<jiohdi>where would I find errors listed?
19:15<kriebel>read the top of the file
19:15<kriebel>it tells you how to identify errors
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19:17<jiohdi>ok, no EErrors listed :)
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19:17<jiohdi>but this is also after I did the reconfig
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19:18<kriebel>jiohdi: sounds like you should just be happy it works, and try to be more careful next time
19:19<kriebel>but breaking things forces you to learn to fix them
19:19<jiohdi>I am trying to learn how the innerds work
19:19<jiohdi>I put away the ubuntu training wheels and trying to ride :)
19:19<kriebel>X is not really a good thing to learn the innards of
19:19<kriebel>for one thing, it's almost all automatic now (finally)
19:20<jiohdi>I have an old Compaq and it seems to have problems with displaying
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19:20<jiohdi>this is not the first time this happened... it happened under ubuntu too
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19:35<carnage2001>quit it
19:35<kriebel>who are you talking to?
19:36<carnage2001>i don't know
19:36<diaboluslamia>hey dudes
19:36<diaboluslamia>can I get some help?
19:36<kriebel>I don't know, can you?
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19:36<carnage2001>what up ?
19:36<diaboluslamia>hahaha, hope so
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19:37<diaboluslamia>it's a very simple thing, but I must be retarded since I cant fix it
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19:37<diaboluslamia>I can't get to display the japanese characters
19:37<ethoxyethaan>in what application
19:37<diaboluslamia>all I see is a bunch of squares on iceweasel
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19:38<diaboluslamia>but I think is global
19:38<diaboluslamia>I'm missing some fonts or locales or something
19:38<diaboluslamia>I think, I'm not sure
19:38<diaboluslamia>do you know how to fix that?
19:39<faheem>diaboluslamia: apt-cache search japanese iceweasel ?
19:39<ethoxyethaan>best is to install all japanese fonts in the repo's, Katakana hiragana kanji etc.
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19:39<faheem>gives iceweasel-l10n-ja
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19:39<faheem>do you have that installed?
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19:40<diaboluslamia>I don't think so
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19:40<faheem>worth a try
19:41<adama_>How can I prevent my text from "flying all over" when I use the arrows, when logged into another server on SSH, gnome-terminal, this happens when the terminal window is resized above a certain width
19:41<diaboluslamia>how do I do that? I tried with synaptic but I'm unable to find a package that looks right
19:41<faheem>diaboluslamia: apt-get install iceweasel-l10n-ja
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19:42<faheem>diaboluslamia: are you using lenny?
19:42<babilen>diaboluslamia: there are a couple of Japanese fonts in Debian which you can install. xfonts-intl-japanese might be a start.
19:42<faheem>diaboluslamia: yes, you could just install all the ja fonts in sight. wouldn't hurt
19:42<kriebel>adama_: clarify "above a certain width". What program are you running?
19:43<faheem>then again, there are a awful lot of them
19:44<kriebel>what's the difference between the ttf-* packages and the xfont-* packages?
19:44<kriebel>is the Linux world hating on TTF still?
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19:44<diaboluslamia>ok, I'll give it a shot
19:44<kriebel>are the fonts in xfont- packages scalable?
19:45<babilen>diaboluslamia: You can then start installing suitable ttf fonts like those i listed for you on
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19:46<babilen>diaboluslamia: Note however that this list might not be complete. I don't speak Japanese but "only" Chinese, so I can't really give you good hints in regard what the best fonts for Japanese are.
19:48<diaboluslamia>ok, but it's definitely worth a shot
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19:48<diaboluslamia>babilen: I just searched for those packages on the repos and some appear to be there
19:49<diaboluslamia>they're downloading right now
19:49<babilen>diaboluslamia: You really don't have to install *all* of these packages. It might not hurt, but that will give you more fonts than you need to *just* display Japanese characters
19:50<babilen>diaboluslamia: Display them *beautifully* is another point though. :-)
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19:51<diaboluslamia>babilen: hehe, but as long as I can read them I'll be happy
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19:52<babilen>diaboluslamia: OK. Then just install xfonts-intl-japanese and the ttf- fonts you find visually pleasing. There might be a font sampler around somewhere.
19:53<themill>You possibly need to configure iceweasel to actually use the font too.
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19:54<diaboluslamia>they're not applied globally?
19:54<babilen>diaboluslamia: Right. There is the "Advanced button" in the "Content" tab in the iceweasel preferences next to the font settings.
19:55<babilen>diaboluslamia: You can select different fonts for various languages.
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19:55<babilen>diaboluslamia: they should. It might be that iceweasel is using a font you dislike and which you would therefore like to change. Or ...
19:56<babilen>diaboluslamia: Try it. If you are not satisfied come back :-)
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19:56<diaboluslamia>hahahaha, ok thanks
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19:57<babilen>diaboluslamia: You are welcome. 再见 (Japanese?)
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19:59<diaboluslamia>I can only see squares... Still waiting for the download to finish
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20:03<dbldtx>My roomate just fixed his microphone.
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20:05<diaboluslamia>I've another question now that I'm here
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20:06<diaboluslamia>does anyone know why vlc doesn't work on lenny stable? (at least it doesn't work for me)
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20:06<babilen>diaboluslamia: What do you mean by "not work" ?
20:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:07<dpkg>work is probably a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
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20:08<diaboluslamia>ok, problem with vlc, debian lenny 5.0.2, and after installing vlc from the stable repos it plays sound but no video
20:08<babilen>diaboluslamia: Does vlc not start? Is it behaving incorrectly (as in not playing video, audio, ...)
20:09<diaboluslamia>that would be behaving incorrectly
20:09<diaboluslamia>no video
20:09<diaboluslamia>only sound
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20:09<babilen>diaboluslamia: No video at all, or just some video files?
20:09<diaboluslamia>none at all
20:09<diaboluslamia>only sound
20:10<babilen>diaboluslamia: Do other media player work? mplayer, totem, xine?
20:10<abdelkhalak>tell diaboluslamia have u tried purging and reinstalling?
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20:10<raul>Hi everybody I have some doubts regarding absolutly basic firewall features under Lenny using arno-iptables-firewall
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20:11<diaboluslamia>the only media player that works for most formats is mplayer, and yes I have reinstalled several times because I tried installing vlc from testing and messed up by isntalling libc6 and other core libraries, vlc worked great but the whole installation went to hell after a few days
20:12<raul>I have three NIC cards so it means three interfaces eth0 eth1 and eth2, but only I would like to use eth0 and eth2(wich is my external connection to a DSL modem) so
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20:12<raul>eth0 is the internal interface for a very simple home LAN, I have plugged there a wireless acces point
20:13<babilen>diaboluslamia: Did you reinstall after "the whole installation went to hell"?
20:13<abdelkhalak>i use mplayernogui from; it can play any format
20:13<babilen>abdelkhalak: vlc is quite capable as well.
20:13<raul>after installing arno-iptables-firewall do I have to manually set up the eth0, to static IP and so on?
20:13<abdelkhalak>babilen that's quite true
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20:13<diaboluslamia>oh, sorry, by "installation went to hell" I meant that the complete OS stopped functioning properly
20:14<raul>as far the eth2 (external to DSL) is working fine
20:14<babilen>abdelkhalak: I think the best idea is to have all the major players installed. One will work eventually.
20:14<raul>but my access point does not
20:14<diaboluslamia>so I had to reinstall lenny and here I am looking for a new solution
20:14<abdelkhalak>diaboluslamia this is normal if u like mixing up urt system
20:14<babilen>diaboluslamia: Are you using plain vanilla stable right now?
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20:15<diaboluslamia>yes, I get too many bugs by using anything else
20:16<babilen>diaboluslamia: I am not sure what the issue is with vlc. You have several options: (i) Check the BTS for bugs within vlc (ii) use another player (mplayer, xine, ...) (iii) install vlc from backports (iv) install vlc from debian-multimedia
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20:17<diaboluslamia>I looked for VLC in debian-multimedia and did not find it, I'll look again
20:17<diaboluslamia>sorry, I meant backports
20:18<raul>diabloluslamia, could you play some video files with maybe another player?
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20:19<raul>diabloluslamia so it means that you have all the debian -multimedia repos and settings fine
20:20<raul>will be good to check if mplayer is able to play videos
20:21<diaboluslamia>I just looked in multimedia and vlc is not there
20:21<diaboluslamia>mplayer can play them
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20:22<diaboluslamia>I'm just curious about me being the only one with this vlc problem
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20:23<raul>diabloluslamia, did you get some feedback reading logs, or did you check the exit code after running vlc via echo $?
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20:25<diaboluslamia>have not done it yet, but I could do it right now if you tell me how to
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20:27<raul>for instance, from console run vlc somevideo 2> /tmp/error.txt and take a look to what are the complains
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20:28<raul>another way is to run from console vlc somevideo,and when your prompt appears again type "echo $?" it will returns you the exit code which can give you some information regarding errors
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20:30<diaboluslamia>ok, will do that now
20:30<raul>Hi everybody, who can help me a little bit with firewall basics ?
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20:36<raul>Hello anyone! does anybody knows a little bit about arno-iptables-firewall? I need some basic hints
20:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:37<diaboluslamia>raul: this is what I got:
20:37<diaboluslamia>diaboluslamia@Valhalla:~$ vlc alsatia.flv
20:37<diaboluslamia>VLC media player 0.8.6h Janus
20:37<diaboluslamia>[00000273] main playlist: nothing to play
20:37<diaboluslamia>[00000273] main playlist: stopping playback
20:37<diaboluslamia>diaboluslamia@Valhalla:~$ echo $?
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20:38<raul>I have a problem with arno-iptables-firewall I followed the basic install with debconf without errors, my eth2 is working properly and connected to a DSL modem, but the eth0 whichs is internal LAN does not
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20:39<diaboluslamia_>raul: did you get my message?
20:39<diaboluslamia_>I got kicked for pasting(I didn't know)
20:39<sdsdsd>Guys, what do you think about EXT4 on Squeeze AMD64>
20:40<Ikarus>are you mad
20:40<raul>diaboluslamia: yes, I did sorry but I am not an expert with VLC, I suggest you to look for help using the error messages you got
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20:41<diaboluslamia_>raul: oh,ok, it's no big deal anyways
20:41<vvas>sdsdsd: i wouldn't go for ext4 with kernels < 2.6.30
20:41<diaboluslamia_>thanks anyways
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20:41<raul>diabloluslamia: I suggest you to google VLC problem "bla bla bla" no video
20:41<sdsdsd>im on 2.6.31-5
20:42<vvas>sdsdsd: then go for it
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20:42<sdsdsd>is it secure>?
20:42<vvas>well, it's considered production-quality by now
20:43<vvas>of course it's a relatively young filesystem still, so you never know if some bug will crop up and eat your data
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20:43<vvas>(by 'secure' i imagine you mean 'safe')
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20:46<raul>Hi there guys, when setting a firewall like arno-iptables-firewall, with a NIC interface for internal LAN I don't know if I have to force a static IP address and gateway to the internal NIC or is it already done after firewall configuration, anyway after ifconfig I don't see any IP address on the internal NIC interface
20:47<raul>I tried to force a static IP adress but my wireless Acces Point does not work, anyway I tried to plugg a RJ45 direclty from the laptop to the NIC card, both cases no way
20:48<sdsdsd>sorry, its because my english is not good yet
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20:57<Stemby>Hi, yesterday I submitted 3 bugs with reportbug, but I didn't recive the usual e-mails; in fact my bugs aren't present into the website. Do you know something about?
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21:06<Stemby>chealer: so, it works now, isn't it?
21:06<chealer>Stemby: it's just even slower than usual
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21:08<Stemby>chealer: do I have to retype everything?
21:10<chealer>Stemby: there's no indication of that at this point. you'll have to wait until the situation stabilizes anyway.
21:10<Stemby>chealer: ok, thanks a lot
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21:16<faheem>who do i talk to if i'm having problems submitting to the bts?
21:17<ctaylor>the bts has known issues right now
21:17<ctaylor>due to a huge spam backlog
21:17<faheem>ctaylor: any details available?
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21:18<faheem>ctaylor: i submitted a bug yesterday evening. it still hasn't got there around 24 hrs later, so i resubmitted.
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21:18<faheem>i hope this does not result in a duplicate
21:18<faheem>it has never happened before
21:19<ctaylor>if it results in a duplicate simply merge the bugs in the bts
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21:20<faheem>ctaylor: ok. thanks for the info
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21:21<faheem>ctaylor: is there really a 24hr size backlog?
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21:22<ctaylor>topic of #debian-devel says there is a ~120K message backlog
21:22<ctaylor>so probably yes
21:22<faheem>ctaylor: hmm. ok. thanks.
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21:25<dondelelcaro>it's actually more like 200K now
21:25<sney>alrighty then
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21:26<dbldtx>dondeledcaro; good to see you're still around. wow.
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21:33<Mish->I have a coloured motd, debian however displays it complete with ascii codes... What do I need to do to get debian to display it in colour?
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21:40<lucien>Hi everyone !
21:41<lucien>How on earth do I send a mail to the outside word using the command line (mail/mutt) and exim ??
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21:43<jiohdi>lucien, are you running a calculator?
21:43<jiohdi>why on earth would you want to?
21:44<lucien>i want to create an email robot
21:44<lucien>(it's not for spam :-)
21:45<lucien>besides, i think it's cooler than using a browser
21:45<jiohdi>perhaps :)
21:46<Mish->Re: my question. I'm obviously missing something (colored MOTD not displaying in color)
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22:38<Gun_Smoke>Mish-, you need to flag each line
22:38<Gun_Smoke>err.. markup.. hang on.
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22:40<Gun_Smoke>Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l
22:40<Gun_Smoke>my bad, that was stupid.
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22:41<Gun_Smoke>I give up.. Night.
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23:58<jeden>boknoy, try to start nautilus with --no-desktop
23:59<boknoy>yeah, but that'll mean I won't have a desktop
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