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---Logopened Thu Oct 29 00:00:00 2009
00:00<boknoy>see, it's a school computer, and you know how selfish we school admins are ;P
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00:01<goodger>boknoy: pessulus and sabayon are recommended...
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00:08<k1lumin4t1_>has anybody got any experience working with informix on debian?
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02:55<spstarr>there is a bug in Debian's build if libasound32 for x86_64
02:55<spstarr>there is stuttering with USB audio but using Ubuntu's there is not
02:55<dondelelcaro>could be
02:55<spstarr>dondelelcaro: what do you think might be cause?
02:55<spstarr>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 809020 2009-10-11 18:13
02:55<spstarr>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 823888 2009-09-15 02:52
02:55<spstarr>for one thing they use .20 we use 21a
02:56<spstarr>unless .21 is busted
02:56<dondelelcaro>though honestly, it'd be more likely for it to be an issue in the kernel modules
02:56<spstarr>well i unloaded OSS
02:56<spstarr>lemme put them back and confirm
02:56<Zahid>anybody wana help me ----- i have configrued windows server 2003 with Active Directory and now I want to put their home dirctory on LInux box wat will be the permission of that folder on linuxbox
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02:57<spstarr>assuming having snd_pcm_oss loaded is why.. then i have a fix
02:58<spstarr>dondelelcaro: nope, having those loaded does nothing to change it
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02:58<spstarr>its libasound thats broken in .21a but finding out why might be difficult (diffing code)...
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03:06*spstarr logs bug in Debian :)
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03:59<dbldtx>The lightest, best CD burner for Debian - running blackbox on a 98' Compaq 2100 laptop... maybe not the lightEST, but I want something sleek and fast ~ if it's terminal only, so be it - I love to learn new things.
04:00<dbldtx>What is the most streamlined, beautiful people licensed, featureful or not, junk out there - and why do you like it? I'll be installing and learning it tonight, any suggestions?
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04:04<jm_>you mean cd burning tool?
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04:08<dbldtx>jm_; yes, thank you for the interest
04:09<jm_>dbldtx: wodim
04:09<dbldtx>running blackbox, considering moving to stumpwm or similar - thought about openbox or fluxbox (because after trying blackbox i thought I wanted something more customizable) but I think if I change it, I'll go even more minimalistic, ratpoison or something...
04:10<dbldtx>jm_; thank you very much for the suggestion. I'll look into that now. I just want something that I can learn to use now and learn to love and find reliable and lightweight/minimal/dependency free(-ish) and then use on stumpwm or whatever superminimal console only tiling WM i use next.
04:11<dbldtx>jm_; you and dondelel and cheal are the greatest people ever - probably 3 of my favorite 100 people on the internet, hands down. You help mankind in multitudes with your selfless dedication and love of linux - inexhaustible advice, etc
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04:11<spstarr>where is libopenjpeg2 1.3+dfsg-5 ?
04:11*spstarr can't find
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04:25<dbldtx>jm_; do you prefer wodim over cdw and why? thanks for the suggestion - this package is the business
04:25<jm_>dbldtx: cdw is just a front-end for it, I always used some dumb perl script I wrote as a front-end to cdrecord/wodim/growisofs
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04:27<dbldtx>jm_; thank you, your experience is invaluable. I wish I could play with my debian system forever but i must retire
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04:39<blueldr137>how can I update my mesa3d libraries from 7.0.3 to 7.5.2?
04:40<jmaina>hi guys i have been trying to use the huawei usb modem without any success anybody knows how to go about it
04:40<blueldr137>jmaina: is it a wireless adapter?
04:42<jmaina>yes its powered by a vodafone subsidiary
04:42<jmaina>i have installed the vodafone driver with no success
04:42<jmaina>its not even loading the usb modem
04:43<blueldr137>jmaina: is it the E220?
04:43<jmaina>its E160
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04:45<blueldr137>jmaina: have you seen this website?
04:46<blueldr137>it sounds like your issue, that the usb modem won't load because it identifies it as a 'read-only' usb drive :P
04:47<blueldr137>jmaina: this might help too
04:48<jmaina>is it a must i have wireless support drivers... what i mean is... im using dell vostro, and i havent installed the broadcom driver yet, will that affect anything
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04:49<jmaina>i have a dual boot and on ubuntu its working like clockwork its on debian where there is a problem
04:50<blueldr137>Jmaina: i'm not sure if the broadcom driver would affect anything
04:50<blueldr137>are you using gnome or kde?
04:51<jmaina>i have both installed but i use gnome most of the time
04:53<blueldr137>under gnome you should be able to control the usb modem with the 'network manager'
04:53<blueldr137>at least after debian recognizes it as a usb modem :P
04:54<blueldr137>I'm not an expert by any means... did you look at the 2 links I posted above? that would probably be your best bet :P
04:55<jmaina>im looking at them now... let me give it a shot then see how it goes... thanks
04:55<blueldr137>the first link talks about a tool called 'usb_modeswitch'... I think you need that to use your modem
04:56<blueldr137>good luck lol :)
04:56<jmaina>i have installed usb-modeswitch... it was a dependancy for the vodafine connect driver
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04:57<Woet>I'm using netselect-apt (or apt-spy) to find the fastest apt-get mirror for my server, but they look through all mirrors (including secondary ones, which are usually outdated)
04:57<Woet>Is there any mirrors_full file with just the official primary mirrors
04:58<blueldr137>jmaina: oh... well at least you have usb_modeswitch installed. :) hopefully that first link will solve your problem :)
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05:00<blueldr137>woet: I'm not sure :P sorry
05:00<Woet>i'll manually edit it once downloaded I guess
05:00<blueldr137>woet: i'm not exactly a debian expert yet :)
05:00<blueldr137>woet: yeah that would probably do it
05:02<blueldr137>does anyone know how I can update my mesa3d libs from 7.0.3 to 7.5.2?
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05:03<live007>Hi all soundcard (intel ICH5 alc655) & my printer (HP 1018) on testing ?
05:05<jm_>ich5 should be supported with ancient kernels
05:07<live007>jm_ : ich5 was working on sid & sidux
05:08<live007>but testing Not
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05:08<jm_>live007: just try newer kernel then
05:08<live007>testing use 2.6.30
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05:10<live007>what u recommend ?
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05:11<jm_>.30 should be ok
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05:13<kavish>hi what is the recommended apt source list for debioan 5.0 x64?
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05:16<blueldr137>kavish the sourcelist is under
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05:17<kavish>i know
05:17<kavish>i just installed debian 5.0
05:17<kavish>and it uses volatile
05:17<kavish>can you paste in pvt some valid source list
05:17<kavish>i wish to use stable
05:17<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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05:18<blueldr137>kavish: you can just delete the volatile sources :P
05:18<kavish>hmm oky
05:19<kavish>then replace with what?
05:19<blueldr137>nothing. you will still download from stable and security
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05:20<blueldr137>I think this is true anyway
05:20<blueldr137>If you just delete the volatile you just won't download the volatile sources
05:21<blueldr137>why do you want to not download volatile sources?
05:21<blueldr137>just curious :P
05:21<steffan>kavish: please read what dpkg just posted and follow those links for a stable !sources.list. if you have trouble, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and ask here
05:21<kavish>no problem
05:21<kavish>i wish to use stable because i will be running vmware esx
05:22<steffan>kavish: you should probably read !volatile too, if you're not too sure what volatile actually is
05:22<steffan>!tell kavish -about volatile
05:22<kavish>sprry vmware server
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05:22<kavish>my second use of debian!!!!
05:23<kavish>i mainly use redhat ent, suse ent, freebsd & hpux
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05:24<blueldr137>kavish: good luck :)
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05:30<kavish>i have only
05:30<kavish>deb lenny/updates main
05:30<kavish>deb-src lenny/updates main
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05:31<kavish>deb lenny/volatile main
05:31<kavish>deb-src lenny/volatile main
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05:35<screenn>how to use an example for "to delete all mail with exactly one recipient" from postsuper man?
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05:36<screenn>I mean that -
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05:40<craigevil>kavish: you need deb lenny main as well you can change the country code to whatever
05:41<craigevil>and if its a desktop you probably want's repo as well
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05:41<kavish>who has successfully configured mailwatch to work with spamassassin pyzor postfic on debian?
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05:44<steffan>kavish: is an example using <de> country codes
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05:47<twb>I'm doing an install over a serial line
05:47<twb>How do I switch to vt4 on the serial console? The local machine intercepts Alt+F4
05:48<twb>ESC F4 didn't seem to work.
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06:02<jorginator>Question: Where can I find debian courses (or tutorials) suited for a chinese audience?
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06:06<stockholm>jorginator: there are ppl in china doing debian
06:06<stockholm>roger so comes to mind
06:06<twb>jorginator: your best bet is probably to find your local Linux Users Group, and as them
06:07<jorginator>well.. i only found one debian consultant in china... (on
06:07<twb>There is probably also a #debian-zh
06:07<jorginator>Problem is that I am in the UK and my co-sysadmin is in china... And I don't speak chinese...
06:07<twb>jorginator: that list is probably pretty sparse
06:07<twb>jorginator: ah.
06:07<jorginator>and I want to get him up-to-speed on debian system admin....
06:08<twb>ISTR there's generic unix certification
06:08<jorginator>so courses, tutorials etc are welcome (I've already pointed him to the debian sysadmin guide in chinese)
06:08<twb>And Ubuntu does certification, too.
06:08<twb>I dunno if either are any good, or if they're available in Chinese
06:08<jorginator>twb: ah - ubuntu... i hadn't thought of that. thanks
06:09<twb>Obviously Ubuntu isn't identical to Debian, but it'll be closer than RHCE
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06:10<jorginator>twb: thanks - I'll include ubuntu in my searches
06:11<twb>jorginator: the core Debian admin guide ought to be translated to zh, too
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06:11<kavish>ubuntu cert = lpi
06:11<kavish>level 1
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06:12<jorginator>kavish: it is? i'm pretty sure it wasn't when I took it. But it may well have changed since then...
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06:13<kavish>i u have lpi level 1 i think you are ubuntu certified
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06:13<kavish>contact canobical for mor einfo
06:13<jorginator>kavish: ah - sorry - misunderstood you there.
06:13<twb>kavish: yeah, that rings a bell
06:14<twb>I can remember people bitching because Ubuntu certification was just generic LPI certification with no Ubuntu-y bits
06:15<kavish>the course isnt necessary...
06:15<kavish>ubuntu is easy, same as debian....
06:16<kavish>much easier....
06:16<twb>Setting up RAID5 and LVM in d-i is more tedious
06:16<twb>Compared to anaconda
06:16<kavish>hardware based or software based?
06:16<twb>md raid
06:16<jorginator>twb: true. but I'm not too worried about that
06:16<kavish>i love that'
06:16<twb>That's just an example
06:16<kavish>u know i prefer soft raid than hard raid
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06:16<kavish>soft is much easier to recover
06:17<jorginator>kavish: 99% software - general system admin, upgrades, maintenance, linux-vservers
06:17<kavish>lol i use netapp...
06:17<twb>Hardware raid is more attractice if you have 128 identical nodes in your cluster
06:17<kavish>hp dl 380 g6 servers connected via fibre chanels
06:17<kavish>vm running xen
06:17<kavish>on xen, esx, openvz
06:17<twb>Because you can amortize the cost of recovery controllers across the cluster
06:18<kavish>and also a DR site at another location...
06:18<kavish>with a two black fibers to carry data
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06:18<kavish>and backup is using cisco aironet to transmit at 36mbps between the two sites...
06:19<kavish>and fibers runnign single mode
06:20<jorginator>kavish: our installation isn't as big as yours - only about 15 servers in two hosted locations :-)
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06:20<twb>It's also nice to be able to query the RAID status without installing binary blobs into the kernel
06:21<kavish>why would you do that?
06:21<twb>kavish: maybe if you bought IBM raid...
06:21<kavish>i hate IBM
06:21<twb>Me too
06:21<kavish>i hate everything that is related to IBM, EXCEPT lotus domino
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06:21<kavish>because i run lotus domino server
06:22<twb>I hate that you can accidentally buy a three-disk server with a RAID controller that doesn't support RAID5
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06:22<twb>Even though that was a great excuse to put md RAID on there :-)
06:22<kavish>ibm isnt gud
06:22<twb>My boss has bought such servers *twice*
06:22<kavish>i prefer hp servers
06:22<twb>Once from IBM and then again from GP
06:23<kavish>hey i heard ibm blade center is gud enough
06:23<kavish>wanna see a unique server?
06:23<twb>Will it involve getting out of my chair?
06:24<jorginator>server porn :-) ?
06:24<kavish>i have an old ibm netfinity 5500
06:24<kavish>wanna see it
06:24<kavish>lol its still here!!! a pentium 2 processor
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06:27<jorginator>bummer: ubuntu doesn't list training in china - closes it taiwan..
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06:27<twb>jorginator: send your boy to a local LUG, I reckon
06:28<jorginator>twb: ah - lugs :-) might be worth a try
06:28<twb>21:06 <twb> jorginator: your best bet is probably to find your local Linux Users Group, and as them
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06:28<twb>It was my first suggestion
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06:28<jorginator>twb: sorry - i lost connection for a bit - must have missed that one.
06:29<twb>It was after you reJOINed
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06:30<jorginator>twb: so it was. sorry - work can really get in the way of debian life...
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06:34<kavish>who has ever tried this package in debian, sousoute-pi
06:34<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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06:40<kavish>jornogator, if you were in my country you would have got training
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06:41<jorginator>kavish: mauritius sounds nice :-) got any jobs? :-)
06:41<jorginator>kavish: by the way: I have got the training - i'm trying to get others up to speed :-(
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06:47<Nickname>nick lulu
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06:48<babilen>!irc tutorial
06:48<dpkg>A Short IRC Primer:
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06:55<kavish>!seducing tutorial
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07:13<spstarr>I have confirmed it
07:13<spstarr>ALSA 1.0.21[a] broke USB audio
07:13<spstarr>.20 has no issue
07:14<spstarr>upstream bug + debian bug being logged
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07:48<claudi>How are you
07:49<noflash>claudi, got a debian related question?
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07:50<claudi>having problem with modx
07:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:51<lennard>but what if a question doesn't fit the example?
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07:51<lennard>for example, mine would be: "I want to do ___, but I don't know how"
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07:52<lucien>I'd like some help with Exim
07:52<awoodland>I have two network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, which both use dhcp; is there a way to only allow one of them to set a default route and DNS?
07:53<lucien>I can't undestand how to send an email using my Yahoo account
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07:55<lucien>Anyone can explain me how to configure exim to use my SMTP Yahoo! account ??
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07:56<lucien>Anyone can explain me how to configure exim to use my SMTP Yahoo! account ??
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07:56<streuner_>i doubt if its possible to do that via yahoo
07:57<lucien>really ?
07:57<streuner_>well, usually you reconfigure exim and use smarthost (in this case, if possible yahoo)
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07:58<streuner_>some mail-provider doesnt support smarthost, not sure about yahoo
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07:59<lucien>u mean the yahoo smtp server is blocked as a smarthost ?
07:59<streuner_>usually you use your ISP in order to use smarthost
07:59<awoodland>I have an exim configured to forward via bt (which is just re-branded yahoo)
07:59<lucien>and bt is your FAI
07:59<awoodland>and they make you jump through hoops to 'verify' email addresses
08:00<streuner_>lucien: well, its not big deal to just give a try
08:00<lucien>and if I can't use my FAI (I'm with a hotspot)
08:01<lucien>I tried many times but always failed
08:02<lucien>so I do "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and I choose smarthost, right ?
08:02*streuner_ uses postfix, but exim should work too
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08:03<awoodland>I thought yahoo forced ssl too
08:03<lucien>I'm at the second screen, about "system mail name"
08:03<awoodland>which made things more tricky last time I set it up
08:03<awoodland>(which was pre-etch to be fair)
08:03<lucien>I put (I'm french). is that ok ?
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08:09<lucien>And where I am supposed to enter my login and password of my Yahoo! account ??
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08:13<quitte>lucien: using a full blown mta for a single account is pretty unusual. is there a reason why you don't just configure your mail client to use yahoo?
08:14<lucien>well is it possible to use directly Yahoo with mail or mutt ?
08:15<quitte>i don't know, but i'd think so. i guess there's some mutt user around to help you.
08:16<lucien>if I could configure mutt or mailx to use my yahoo account directly it would be fine
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08:16<Chetic>I'm using two x screens on separate monitors with nvidia's drivers. Is it possible to have two separate cursors controlled simultaneously using an extra mouse?
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08:17<jm_>Chetic: it should be with manual config
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08:18<quitte>lucien: mutt doesn't speak smtp, unfortunately
08:19<pixxxie>#watt mutt datt mutt
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08:20<pixxxie>mall ?
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08:21<lucien>yeah that's what I thought. Maybe IMAP with my google account ?
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08:21<quitte>imap can be used for sending mail?
08:22<lucien>no indeed
08:22<Chetic>jm_: you mean manually editing xorg.conf?
08:22<lucien>damned sending an email using command line shoudn't be that difficult.
08:23<quitte>lucien: have a look at nullmailer. seems to be more what you need than exim
08:24<jm_>Chetic: yup
08:24<lucien>yeah I tried that. But didn't work either.
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08:25<lucien>I'll give nullmailer an other shot
08:26<Chetic>jm_: aaawesome thanks :)
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08:27<quitte>lucien: i didn't do any console mailing in years. but what i did back then was basically set up my own mail server for my local domain and then special case the users that should be able to send to the outside world.
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08:27<quitte>a pita
08:27<jm_>Chetic: i.e. using evdev devices, and you'd probably not want to specify it's a core input device
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08:29<lucien>quitte: ok but how do I do that ?
08:29<gsimmons>quitte: Mutt has had SMTP relay support version 1.5.15.
08:29<quitte>lucien you don't.
08:30<quitte>there you go
08:30<quitte>i'd rather buy a relay+domain than setup a mta like that again
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08:34<lucien>with nullmailer after sending some test mails and launch "nullmailer-send"...
08:34<lucien>...I get "Sending failed: Could not exec program"
08:34<quitte>lucien: you did see what gsimmons said?
08:35<lucien>about mutt and SMTP relay support ?
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08:36<lucien>ok I'll "man mutt"
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08:50<steffan>anderson: hi
08:51<anderson>my ubuntu brasil
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08:52<screenn>jm_ do you know is it possible fdisk -l shows sda1 and sdb1 on hardware raid ?
08:53<jm_>screenn: depends on what kind of raid it really is
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08:57<Titan8990>screenn, if its a real hardware raid it shouldn't
08:57<inglor>Is there a tool to monitor "major" changes in sid? Gnome recently included compiz-like effects with the latest aptitude safe-upgrade
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08:58<azeem>inglor: I don't think anybody is tagging major changes
08:58<azeem>it's a very subjective thing anyway
08:58<quitte>it did? how do i enable them?
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08:59<inglor>azeem: true, just find out my desktop has compiz-like features and would like to disable / config them
09:00<quitte>inglor: i'm using sid and didn't notice anything. they were auto-enabled for you?
09:00<inglor>quitte: no idea it was auto enabled on me. Opening a new windows / closing a window also
09:01<quitte>inglor can you check if you are actually running metacity?
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09:03<inglor>I honestly thought I did.. but ps aux | grep metacity shows nothing..
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09:05<quitte>inglor: then ccsm probably is the tool to configure the effects
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09:05<inglor>I have a small idea for the change but I am hoping this is not it.. I recently wanted to check gnome-shell so...
09:06<inglor>tried the "Running gnome-shell nested" instructions from
09:07<inglor>so must be something to do with that..
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09:07<quitte>hmm gnome shell looks like it's worth a try
09:07<screenn>jm_ Titan8990 maybe you've worked with this device HP Proliant ML110 is it has true harware raid? I think doesn't though in bios it has
09:08<azeem>inglor: the gnome-shell window manager is called mutter if you want to grep ps output for that
09:08<inglor>quitte: It's still early for it.. My taskbar icons were lost when I tried it.
09:08<inglor>azeem: yewah true I have that running..
09:09<jm_>screenn: no, which driver does it use?
09:09<inglor>and now the question: how do I define which window manager to choose?
09:09<azeem>in your gnome session preferences, maybe
09:09<Titan8990>screenn, it likely has a real LSI raid controller, check your documentation of lspci
09:09<azeem>or system wide via the x-window-manager alternative
09:09<jm_>inglor: ~/.gnomerc AFAIK
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09:16<screenn>Titan8990 jm_ have two servers with HP Proliant ML110 and I've installed centos in one of them /dev/mapper/ddf1_Raid_0p1 - that what it use, and fdisk -l shows sda1, sdb1 both
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09:17<screenn>the person who installed centos said it is a hardware raid, but I'm not sure
09:17<screenn>it shouldn't
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09:18<inglor>azeem: metacity --replace did the trick for the current session but there is no ~/.gnomerc file and can't find gnome session preferences (not sure it's installed)
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09:19<jm_>screenn: just use lspci
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09:22<screenn>jm_ 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801 SATA RAID Controller (rev 02)
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09:23<jm_>screenn: that's poor man's raid
09:24<inglor>azeem: had a crash so I don't know if you answered :S (crash = killed the metacity deamon and the mutter so I couldn;t minimize / change / handle windows)
09:24<azeem>I didn't
09:24<Titan8990>screenn, aka "fakeraid"
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09:26<azeem>inglor: gnome-session-properties is in the gnome-session package
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09:36<screenn>Titan8990 jm_ thanks, where you've fond this information, could you give me a link too? :)
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09:44<anj>hi to all,by default my windows partion is not getting mounted using nautilus saying invalid option
09:44<anj>after removing locale option of ntfs-3g in gcon-editor it works it problem in locale generation?
09:45<anj>my locale option was in gconf-editor is locale=
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09:45<anj>can anyone tell me what is actually problem with locale with ntfs-3g
09:46<Titan8990>anj, just curious what version of debian is this?
09:46<anj>Titan8990, debian lenny
09:46<anj>released in feb
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09:47<anj>my locale.gen contains only en_IN UTF-8
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10:02<anj>any idea about locale problem with ntfs-3g and nautilus?
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10:09<Woet>How to set the 'niceness' of a process?
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10:09<Woet>I used renice, but you apparently have 'nice' which can bind it to a filename or something.
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10:10<Gun_Smoke>Woet, man nice.. ie. nice -n 19 dd if=/dev.........
10:10<Gun_Smoke>htop, has a renice feature.
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10:11<Woet>Gun_Smoke: what do you mean by 'dd if=/dev'
10:11<Gun_Smoke>it's a random command..
10:11<Woet>I mean, I tried 'nice -n -20 filename'
10:11<Woet>where filename is the executable
10:11<Woet>but it says 'No such file or directory'
10:11<Gun_Smoke>drop the -20 it's just 20
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10:12<Woet>'Nicenesses range from -20 (most favorable scheduling) to 19 (least favorable).'
10:12<Woet>so I'm giving it -20
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10:13<Woet>the only problem I have is that it returns 'No such file or directory' while it really does exist
10:13<Woet>actually, it just needed an absolute patht
10:13<Woet>thanks :)
10:14<Gun_Smoke>That's odd.
10:14<Gun_Smoke>Woet, I also almost always use ionice in conjunction with nice. fyi
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10:15<Gun_Smoke>nice -n 19 ionice -c 3 rsync ...
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10:49<quitte>wow. gnome-shell is way cool
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11:18<RaSca>Why if i connect two debian to the same D1000 (SUN multipack storage) and poweron one machine at a time when the second machine comes up the first one goes in kernel panic after the message "sym1: SCSI BUS has been reset."? What i am ignoring about scsi connections?
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12:06<halcyon0260>Any chance there's someone here with PDC experience on Debian?
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12:07<quitte>halcyon0260: try #samba on freenode
12:07<RaSca>what do you want to know?
12:08<halcyon0260>Well, I have samba installed, openldap installed, and I can't even map a drive let alone join the domain
12:08<halcyon0260>A working config file would be very helpful...
12:09<steffan>!tell halcyon0260 -about freenode
12:09<quitte>RaSca: i'm just guessing: the bus reset is normal when the kernel loads the module. but the crashing is not. or is it just a warning and the kernel continues running?
12:10<RaSca>quitte: the machine hangs, it's a kernel panic
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12:10<dpkg>i guess mht is "Microsoft Hypertext Archive", short for MHTML, "The idea behind MHT documents is to embed all external resources, usually images, in a single document. You can think of MHTML as a HTML document with all external images, frames, etc.. embedded in the document, not just linked from the document."
12:10<stuckey>Anyone know how I can view .mht files?
12:11<quitte>RaSca: if you have a different controller in the other box - does the order in which you boot make a difference?
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12:12<RaSca>quitte: no, there's no difference in the order
12:12<RaSca>quitte: the controller are the same and the hardware setup is the one explained in the sun's service manual
12:13<quitte>are the controller ids unique?
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12:13<quitte>RaSca: i'm just assuming that it's two scsi controllers on one bus with the disk pool shared
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12:14<steffan>stuckey: sources say that only Internet Explorer can open .mht files
12:15<RaSca>quitte: the disk pool is visible by probe-scsi-all by the two controllers
12:15<stuckey>firefox plugin
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12:15<renato>Hallo everyone!
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12:15<steffan>stuckey: Opera will read .mht files too, plus there is a Firefox extension
12:15<steffan>renato: hi
12:15<dpkg>renato: VATTENE VIA
12:16<steffan>stuckey: guess you already found it :)
12:16<quitte>RaSca: how did you get to that point without crashing one of the kernels?
12:16<RaSca>quitte: by using the ok prompt via serial port
12:16<quitte>RaSca: i still suspect the controller ids to be the same
12:17<quitte>or the module to be buggy
12:17<RaSca>quitte: i'm trying to set AGAIN the scsi-intitiator-id
12:17<dpkg>renato: VATTENE VIA
12:18<petemc>because you did !list
12:18<dpkg>renato: VATTENE VIA
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12:34<RaSca>quitte: i'm rebooting now, and i verified that the scsi-initiator-id are different
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12:36<RaSca>quitte: no change, the other machine still hangs
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12:38<quitte>RaSca: to figure out if it's the bus reset or a conflict when accessing data i'd boot from something different than the disk pool and not access it from either machine
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12:39<quitte>RaSca: I never had more than one scsi controller on a bus, though
12:39<halcyon026>Would this be the right place to seek help with a samba file share? The end result I am looking for is a PDC.
12:39<RaSca>quitte: note that i'm not booting from the disk pool, but from the internal controller. every machine is connected to the D1000 whith a separate controller, which has a different scsi-intitiator-id
12:40<halcyon026>I tried, freenode #samba and they sent me away!
12:40<RaSca>halcyon026: look here: in an italian howto that i wrote some weeks ago
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12:41<quitte>RaSca: so basically - two of those controllers on a bus results in a kernel panic? could you confirm that by taking the d1000 out?
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12:42<halcyon026>However I only read english... Thanks though! That's the most help I've gotten so far.
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12:43<RaSca>quitte: i'm not sure to understand what you mean. The panic happens on a machine only when i startup the other one machine
12:43<RaSca>quitte: each machine from the ok prompt sees the D1000 disks
12:43<quitte>what ok prompt?
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12:44<quitte>some sun bootloader?
12:44<RaSca>quitte: ya
12:44<RaSca>quitte: the two machine are two SUN Netra T1
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12:45<RaSca>quitte: it's debian sparc (sorry)
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12:45<quitte>RaSca: my assumption is that the d1000 has nothing to do with the crashes, but that the driver for the symbios logic controllers is buggy. in that case the machines should show the same behaviour when they are on the same scsi bus without the d1000 connected
12:46<RaSca>quitte: ok
12:46<RaSca>quitte: so what you suggest? upgrade the kernel?
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12:47<quitte>RaSca: no. confirm by trying. then update the kernel. then complain on the kernel mailing list
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12:48<quitte>RaSca: if you had different scsi controllers - try those, too
12:49<raul>Hi there everyone, I have a problem with arno firewall with Debian Lenny, I runed dpkg-reconfigure arno-iptables-firewall following and understanding all the steps of the interactive dialog, but internal LAN hosts can not reach the internet, but they can reach apache websites on my "firewall host"
12:50<raul>on the internal Lan (in my case called eth0) I have plugged a wireless acces point, mi laptop can connect to the access point but only reach the gateway
12:52<raul>and as I told before I can see websites located in the Debian computer typing on the internet borwser
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12:52<raul>And of course I can not ping to the external networks or internet from the internal LAN
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12:54<raul>I I runed dpkg-reconfigure arno-iptables-firewall severak times but all the dialaogs are quite clear and I think I filled the right data there but... something is wrong for sure
12:54<RaSca>quitte: i'm not so sure that my problem depends from the hardware
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12:55<RaSca>quitte: note that every machine if started from a standard situation, which means that the other one is powered off, sees every disk
12:55<RaSca>quitte: problems starts when booting the second machine
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12:57<quitte>yes and at that point you have the rather rare situation that two controllers share one bus
12:58<quitte>RaSca: also i wasn't saying that the problem was the hardware, but rather the controllers driver not being prepared for that situation
12:58<quitte>so a different controller would give you different drivers
12:59<quitte>thats why i suggested a different controller
12:59<RaSca>quitte: yes but sun's matrix compatibility says that my two controllers are ok for the D1000
12:59<quitte>on solaris, i guess
12:59<RaSca>quitte: of course
13:00<quitte>i don't have to explain that, do i?
13:01<RaSca>quitte: no, sure. But what i wat to say is that when i've tried to use different kind of scsi controller even the famous probe-scsi-all of the ok prompt was not working
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13:02<quitte>RaSca: does the sun firmware have drivers for those other controllers?
13:02<quitte>probably not. what's important is that linux has working drivers
13:02<RaSca>quitte: ok, you make yourself clear
13:02<quitte>scsi is scsi, no matter which controller you use
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13:08<Bernd_amd64>hi how can I cat a file from a spezial string in file until eof ?
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13:17<steffan>Bernd_amd64: i haven't done that before, i just checked the man page and there doesn't seem to be an option to start at a special string
13:17<steffan>Bernd_amd64: what would the special string be?
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13:19<Bernd_amd64>I took a look at grep and the switches -B -A but not working yet
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13:20<Bernd_amd64>I want to give out a part of a logfile so I search a string like "YES" and want 2 lines before and after to be also printed -- you know ?
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13:21<Bernd_amd64>damn it work in the shell but not in my script ...
13:22<Bernd_amd64>file foo contains 3 lines "1" "2" "3" -> cat foo | grep 2 -B 1 -A 1 gives me the line before and after the second line but not in my script
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13:24<stuckey>How do I need to print text files? I get screwey output when I do just "lpr textfile"
13:24<stuckey>Should I convert to ps first?
13:25<adama_>Bernd_amd64: try grep -C1
13:25<adama_>Bernd_amd64: or grep -C3 maybe
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13:27<Bernd_amd64>works in shell but not in script but thanks ..
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13:27<dpkg>UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
13:28<adama_>must be something else wrong with your script logic
13:29<Bernd_amd64>e.g. output=`echo $input | grep 'foo' -C 1`
13:29<themill>what's in $input?
13:30<Bernd_amd64>the logfile
13:30<Bernd_amd64>this works and gives me the whole logfile -> output=`echo $input | grep 'foo'`
13:31<themill>there's a difference between echo $input and echo "$input" for preserving newlines
13:31<themill>(and storing an entire file in a variable like that is likely to be a suboptimal way of doing things anyway)
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13:31<Bernd_amd64>ok so how can I get the filtred content of input in a var ?
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13:32<themill>Bernd_amd64: echo "$input" |grep foo will work ok. Note the quotes.
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13:36<Bernd_amd64>output is still empty --- btw I use zenity to give out the content of output
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13:42<vvas>stuckey: probably, try using enscript or a2ps
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13:42<Bernd_amd64>ok it works now ... thx at themill & adama_
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13:44<gordon73>Hello people. Recently I've updated to squeeze (using aptitude safe-upgrade), and my keyboard layout switching broke. Tray icon in KDE shows different layouts, but in any editor only latin symbols are printed. What can be the reason? Is it a bug or an incompatibility?
13:46<cheal>gordon73: aptitude safe-upgrade doesn't "update" to squeeze
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13:47<gordon73>cheal: yes, I know. I tried to show that I'm not using only squeeze packages
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13:47<gordon73>cheal: and layout switching broke after this upgrade
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13:48<cheal>gordon73: well, stable/testing mixes are not really supported.
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13:49<gordon73>cheal: so you suggest performing full-upgrade?
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13:52<cheal>gordon73: pretty much. I didn't switch to KDE 4 yet, but this is starting to be uncomfortable. I know Debian very well, most users should probably upgrade.
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13:53<cerk>i have had a problem with the upgrade..
13:53<gordon73>chealer: the only reason I haven't upgraded fully to squeeze is KDE4. I'm not sure if most of settings would be normally transfered
13:53<gordon73>chealer: oh, sorry
13:55<chealer>gordon73: OK. I kept KDE to 3, but I still have most of the rest of the system up-to-date. I just put KDE packages on hold. a few days ago I started having to hold dpkg, which is why I wrote it's starting to be uncomfortable. but I wish to upgrade in a month or 2.
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13:56<chealer>gordon73: so I still do dist-upgrades
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13:59<vvas>chealer, i'm in the same situation on my main computer
13:59<vvas>and yes, it was necessary to 'hold' dpkg for this
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14:02<gordon73>chealer: thanks for info. looks like I really need to upgrade xorg etc. with holding kde packages
14:02<vvas>gordon73: if your only concern for the KDE upgrade is settings migration, i'd say go ahead and upgrade it
14:05<gordon73>vvas: i'm also afraid of losing desktop icons and panels. i haven't seen KDE4 in reality, but, judging from screenshots, it has a different system for desktop icons.
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14:10<vvas>gordon73, KDE4 has a different way to use the desktop indeed, as a container of plasma widgets ("plasmoids")
14:11<vvas>however, one option is to put a folder view plasmoid on the desktop that shows the contents of $HOME/Desktop, an option which i think in fact is offered during the migration process
14:11<kop>peej: The other thing about the Sheeva plug install I'm not getting is how it is that, according to Martin's web page, you can run Lenny on it but you can't install it with the Lenny installer. Seems to me that if it runs Lenny then it should run the installer. Unless maybe the only problem is in the boot loader, but that'd be easy -- just tell the installer not to change the boot loader.
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14:20<Chetic>why can't I change the time on the clock?
14:20<Chetic>it asks for a root password so it's not like it doesn't have privs
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14:22<steffan>!tell Chetic -about set time
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14:25<chealer>Chetic: you tell us
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14:28<Chetic>I wouldn't ask if I could tell you, now would I
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14:30<gordon73>chealer: could you name the kde packages which you holded? looks like i seriously broke my system (
14:30<Gun_Smoke>kop, lenny's installer does not support installing to flash.
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14:34<chealer>gordon73: all, including applications for KDE which were ported to kdelibs4. anything which is upgradable but asks to install kdelibs4 when trying to upgrade.
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14:35<gordon73>chealer: oh, thanks. i'll try it. unfortunately, there's no downgrade in apt (
14:35<chealer>gordon73: I have 52 packages on hold in relation to that. only dpkg and dpkg-dev are not for KDE in those.
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14:36<kop>Gun_Smoke: Martin's page does not install to flash either, just CF and I've pxebooted and installed Lenny (and etch) on that before.
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14:55<OkropNick>I have a question: How can I heck a list of users connected to server using sshfs ?
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15:01<flxfxp>Does anyone has knowledge of the powerpc edition of Debian 5?
15:01<flxfxp>when i execute apt-get I get: Illegal instruction
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15:01<flxfxp>I tried installing the latest from, didnt work
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15:03<steffan>!tell flxfxp -about powerpc
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15:03<ozzle>I have a problem
15:03<ozzle>I cant get sftp to work
15:04<ozzle>but ssh works fine
15:04<ozzle>what should I do?
15:04<steffan>!tell flxfxp -about debianppc
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15:04<steffan>ozzle: what is the problem?
15:04<overddose>anyone know how to install lxde on debian :P
15:04<ozzle>I cant connect with sftp
15:04<ozzle>but ssh works fine
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15:04<flxfxp>steffan, i know the docs
15:05<flxfxp>I've looked through them
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15:05<flxfxp>googled everything
15:05<steffan>!tell overddose -about install lxde
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15:05<steffan>flxfxp: then you would know that this isn't the debian powerpc channel
15:05<flxfxp>the only thing that comes close is
15:06<flxfxp>i know steffan, but #debianppc is so empty
15:06<flxfxp>i never get a answer there, thats why i'm asking here
15:06<flxfxp>I mean, we're all debian :)
15:06<overddose>eh, why not help him steffan, not a big undertaking.
15:07<overddose>ppc is dead :P
15:07<flxfxp>not in NASes
15:07<flxfxp>and phones
15:07<overddose>i meant debianppc
15:08<steffan>overddose: when one cannot help, you point them to a channel that maybe could be of more assistance
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15:08<overddose>i know this, but
15:08<overddose>if the channel you point them to
15:08<overddose>is completely helpless
15:08<overddose>and empty
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15:09<overddose>i want compiz to work...
15:09<steffan>overddose: then you wait in here for someone that can help, patiently
15:10<ozzle>steffan: I didnt get any answer
15:10<ozzle>I cant connect with my ftp-client with sftp
15:10<ozzle>but I can ssh to my computer
15:11<ozzle>but not sftp
15:11<overddose>sftp enabled on recieving server?
15:11<ozzle>I dont know
15:12<ozzle>How can I check that?
15:12<overddose>that would be something to check out ...
15:12<overddose>if you have direct access to the receiving server...
15:12<overddose>host ip!
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15:12<overddose>most likely sftp_config
15:13<overddose>since im not sure what you are connecting to
15:13<overddose>it could even be the whole server thats blocking the attempt
15:13<ozzle>ssh to my server works
15:13<ozzle>but sftp doesnt
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15:13<ozzle>sshd as server
15:13<overddose>you can block sftp and enable ssh
15:14<ozzle>In the sshd config?
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15:14<overddose>in the server config
15:14<ozzle>How do I enable sftp?
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15:14<ozzle>sshd is the server software
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15:15<petemc>ozzle: its enabled by default on debian, look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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15:15<ozzle>petemc: I'm there
15:15<overddose>so if i have x already isntalled
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15:15<ozzle>petemc: What should I look for?
15:15<overddose>do i just apt-get install lxde?
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15:16<steffan>overddose: didn't dpkg give you installation instructions earlier?
15:16<petemc>overddose: aptitude is recommended, but yes
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15:16<steffan>use aptitude, not apt-get
15:16<overddose>what is the difference :P
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15:16<petemc> /msg dpkg why aptitude
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15:17<overddose>same issue as apt-get?
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15:18<steffan>overddose: there are no issues, use the installation method that you prefer best, they each have advantges/disadvantages
15:18<steffan>overddose: messaging dpkg with <why aptitude>, <why not aptitude> etc. gives those advantages/disadvantages
15:19<overddose>overddose> why synaptic
15:19<overddose><dpkg> are you smoking crack?
15:19<overddose>this is not the response i expected lol
15:20<ozzle>petemc: I still dont get it to work
15:20<petemc>ozzle: did you look in sshd_config ?
15:20<steffan>overddose: synaptic is just a GUI for apt
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15:21<overddose>OOOOOOOO. ok thx steffan lol.
15:21<petemc>ozzle: feel free to volunteer information rather than waiting for people to tease it out of you
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15:21<overddose>also, how can i make a backup of my xorg.conf file so when it dies again i dont have to reload
15:21<overddose>bastard compiz breaks it. every time.
15:21<steffan>overddose: cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bk?
15:22<ozzle>petemc: It finds the server and connects but then it just disconnects
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15:23<steffan>overddose: cd to the directory that xorg.conf is located in to use that command, or include paths in the command
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15:23<overddose>ozzle. FIREWALL!!!
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15:23<steffan>ozzle: you're using a GUI? open Terminal and try something like 'sftp <user>@<server>'
15:24<debianowy>czy ktoś rozmawia tu po polsku?
15:24<steffan>ozzle: or look in the logfiles of whatever sftp client your using
15:24<dpkg>i heard polish is spoken in on (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
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15:25<overddose>steffan, what if there is a spider inside of my computer, what would debian do about that...
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15:26<jerryclunsford>steffan I hate to bother you but is this the right channel to find out about dhcp on debian lenny?
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15:27<steffan>jerryclunsford: just ask your question
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15:29<jerryclunsford>I am trying to set up DHCP on my debian lenny machine to have it do the dhcp and gate way for my home network to the internet
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15:30<overddose>is dhcp allowed on your gateway?
15:30<jerryclunsford>I have installed a Gui for dchp3 (GADMIN)
15:30<jerryclunsford>I will have to bridge the modem router
15:31<overddose>edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0"
15:31<overddose>"iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot.
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15:31<overddose>since you are bridging, it will be eth0
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15:33<jerryclunsford> I have two nics on the machine I was going to use eth 0 for the internet connection and eth 1 to connect the rest of the network
15:34<jerryclunsford>all of the the others computers would connect through the lenny machine
15:34<overddose>on the other computers add the same line
15:34<overddose>except substitute eth1 for eth0?
15:35<overddose>im going to go have my lunch, i will bbl. steffan, its up to you!
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15:36<jerryclunsford>How do you set up the dhcp server>
15:36<flxfxp>does anyone know the repo urls for lenny powerpc?
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15:37<petemc>jerryclunsford: install it, tell it which inteface to listen on in /etc/default/dhcp3-server , configure it if you're not happy with the default
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15:37<jerryclunsford>Is that all there is too it
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15:39<jerryclunsford>I thought is would be easier with the Gui (GADMINdhcp) but it wanted a lot of things i had no idea about
15:40<petemc>its not complicated
15:40<petemc>i use a perl script for adding entries
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15:41<jerryclunsford>I suppose it will take care of newly added computers by itself.
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15:41<petemc>it has documentation
15:42<petemc>you can read it and you dont have to guess what it does
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15:42<jerryclunsford>thank you and good day or night as the case may be I'll find the docs and do some reading
15:43<petemc>good luck
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15:48<overddose>i loaded debian, then i loaded win7.
15:48<overddose>how can i boot into grub again -_-
15:49<petemc> /msg dpkg fixmbr
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15:49<overddose>i dont understand :P
15:50<overddose>all i got was "boot into debian cd and switch to command line"
15:50<petemc>try taking more than 30 seconds
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15:50<overddose>what is supposed to be in place of whatever
15:50<overddose>my username?
15:51<petemc>it mentions other factoids, read those too
15:51<penguin>is site down? i want to download mirrors_full but connection always failed
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15:51<dondelelcaro>penguin: has a few dozen mirrors, so that's unlikely
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15:51<Gun_Smoke>--- ping statistics ---
15:51<Gun_Smoke>1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
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15:56<rv>cool website:
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15:57<penguin>thanks, apparently it just me. is there any other place to get mirros_full?
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15:58<overddose>is reinstalling grub to the mbr the same in debian as it is in ubuntu?
15:58<overddose>root (hd0,0)
15:58<overddose>setup (hd0)
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16:01<flxfxp>does anyone know the repo urls for lenny powerpc?
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16:02<bighornram>I'm opening policykit as superuser but "grant" button is grayed out. How do I grant permissions?
16:02<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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16:07<flxfxp>Titan8990, so if I add "deb lenny main" does it grab the ppc repo?
16:07<flxfxp>or do I need to set something else?
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16:10<Titan8990>honestly don't know where your arch is defined in debian
16:10<Titan8990>would like to know...
16:11<Titan8990>anyways if it is a ppc installation, yes, it will grab packages from the ppc repo
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16:16<penguin>i've finally got my mirror_full from google cache, just cached yesterday. thanks guys, now i believe my netselect-apt will work
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16:18<overddose>cant install grub in mbr :P
16:18<overddose>not sure how -_-
16:18<locklace>!install grub
16:18<dpkg>apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now.
16:19<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors> and <grub2>.
16:19<overddose>i need to restore it.
16:19<overddose>i installed windows.
16:20<overddose>need for dual boot.
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16:20<themill>!dual boot guide
16:20<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at . The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. See for an ISO image to help fix up GRUB problems.
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16:20<overddose>only guides i could find on that site were ubuntu
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16:23<ehren> does anybody know how to determine which drive is my boot drive? I just upgraded before running the 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' command and I think the latest grub update has basically done that for me (since it's asking me 'which drive is designated as boot drive by your bios')
16:23<overddose>go into bios, find the one that you boot to.
16:24<overddose>i need to install grub to the mbr again. halp?
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16:24<overddose>dpkg tells me to mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev
16:25<overddose>i just dont know how im supposed to use that
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16:28<SuperDefenderX>Is anyone else suffering from a slow DNS Resolution in 9.10?
16:28<themill>SuperDefenderX: try #ubuntu on
16:29<SuperDefenderX>Didn't realize it was a Debian channel.
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16:30<locklace>guess they haven't applied your irc patch yet
16:30<olasd> /W 2
16:31<olasd>aw, my bad
16:31<overddose>halp :[
16:32<zast>hello, some can help me with an error in compilation?
16:33<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
16:34<overddose>i need help with reinstalling grub
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16:35<zast>/opt/dmx_usb_module/dmx_usb.c:692: error: implicit declaration of function 'info'
16:35<zast> info ("DMX USB device now attached to dmx%d", dev->minor);
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16:40<Ghostface>hi all
16:43<Ghostface>I would be gratefull for some quick hints regarding a problem I have: I modded an old notebook into a Digital Picture Frame, everything went fine, however I would like to run debian from an USB stick instead of the HDD. Now the Notebook can't boot from USB but I figured a 2 phase boot from the harddisk, loading up the pcmcia (I added a pcmcia usb 2.0 card to the notebook since it only has one 1.1 usb slot) and usb modules, and
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16:44<Ghostface>I decompressed/extracted the initramfs and am now about to modify the init script accordingly the way I mentioned before but I am not entirely sure where exactly it has to be modified as I am not perfectly familiar with the boot process of debian
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16:44<Ghostface>has anyone 10 min. to spare in order to help me ?
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16:45<Ghostface>running debian lenny on the hdd and all necessary modules are working correctly (i.e. I can mount an usb stick after having booted up) so it is just a matter of editing the init script correctly - at least that's what I assume, correct me if I am wrong
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16:47<Ghostface>is this channel even halfway active anyways ?
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16:49<arkaniad>Whats the issue GhostfacE?
16:49<arkaniad>Ah, nvm.
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16:53<blast_hardcheese>Is there an iterator built into bash? I'd like to scp 3 files, *[2-4]*
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16:54<themill>blast_hardcheese: scp *{2..4}* somewhere:
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16:55<blast_hardcheese>themill: Awesome
16:55<blast_hardcheese>thank you
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17:01<Ghostface>ok ill rephrase the question: this is the init script of my initramfs I added modprobing of the usb modules and pcmcia, how would I go about mounting the root filesystem from an usb stick, with the best case adding a fallback to the root fs on the hdd that would usually be mounted
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17:29<Ghostface>last try for advice here: ill rephrase the question: this is the init script of my initramfs I added modprobing of the usb modules and pcmcia, how would I go about mounting the root filesystem from an usb stick, with the best case adding a fallback to the root fs on the hdd that would usually be mounted
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17:31<kop_>Ghostface: IIRC that's a matter for mkinitramfs. There might also be some info in it's /usr/share/doc/mkinitramfs.... directory
17:31<kop_>Ghostface: I could be totally wrong.
17:31<Ghostface>no you are right
17:32<Ghostface>like I said, I already extracted the initramfs for editing purpose
17:32<kop_>Ghostface: All the docs were _somewhere_. I read them once. Probably /usr/share/doc...
17:32<Ghostface>the thing is
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17:32<Ghostface>i know what todo but not exactly where/how
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17:33<Ghostface>editing the init script should be enough and i got the loading of the modules in place
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17:33<Ghostface>its just the mounting of the usb stick with optional fallback which gives me trouble
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17:34<Ghostface>hmm actually I just had an idea
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17:36<lewe>hey there!
17:37<lewe>is there no package for "grip" anymore in testing?
17:37<kop_>Ghostface: Mounting of the root fs is an option passed to the kernel at boot time, and then the initramfs init script does a pivotroot (I think that's right).
17:37<Ghostface>yes thats what I was thinking
17:37<Ghostface>theres one just catch
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17:38<themill>!dbugs 515887
17:38<Ghostface>I have no way of doing any user input @ grub level anymore (since I had to disconnect the keyboard and usb/ps2 keyboards are not recognised prior booting up - usb I can understand but ps2 for whatever reason does not work at all -maybe my keyboard or the port got fucked)
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17:39<Ghostface>so I would kind of favor a solution which would fallback on booting from hdd in case something goes wrong
17:39<Ghostface>otherwise i would have to pull out the hdd and mount it on some other pc and fix it
17:39<lewe>themill: lovely thanks a lot, exactly what I was looking for
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17:40<lewe>themill: I am gonna check out sdunder
17:40<kop_>Ghostface: I see. You could also check out a serial console.
17:41<kop_>Ghostface: The grub info pages say how to make a fallback if the kernel does not boot, but the initramfs is something else....
17:41<kop_>Ghostface: But, the grub info pages say how to have a "boot once" kernel, so that would allow you to test.
17:41<Ghostface>lemme check that
17:42<Ghostface>perfect !
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17:43<Ghostface>thx alot
17:43<Ghostface>this should enable me troubleless testing
17:43<Mish->I'm doing something wrong, I have a if then function that I want to set the prompt... I thought if I put that in /etc/bashrc that all users would get that prompt, it doesn't work... Any ideas?
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17:56<Praxis1>Any suggestions for the best supported wireless chipset in Linux? I'm guessing it is Atheros, but I see a lot of ralink cards out there.
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17:58<johns>Praxis1: there are sort of two questions there, "best supported" and "best supported without the use of a binary-only blob"
17:58<johns>the answer to the latter is atheros
17:59<johns>and might be helpful
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18:00<Praxis1>I see. I don't mind using the ralink-firmware if it produces a better connection, johns. I'm trying to convert a friend to Linux who gets his network from his step-sons router in the basement and has very marginal connectivity, even in Windows.
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18:02<ehren>anyone know why xfce 4.6 starts playing these funny sound events out of nowhere? They're like "do do do do do" and "do do do" (very descriptive, I know)
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18:12<dli>ehren, might be from "Sessions and Startup"
18:16<ehren>dli: thanks. actually I'm not so sure this is an xfce problem after all... either way the funny sounds have stopped for the moment :)
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18:31<adama_>this may be a dumb question, but how can I do 'ls -l' on a directory without listing its contents?
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18:31<adama_>I just want to see the permissions on the directory itself, not its neighbours or its contents
18:32<petemc>stat ?
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18:33<themill>adama_: see also the -d option to ls
18:33<adama_>it needs to be ls... I need a list of several directories, I am doing something like: for i in "`ls /backups/daily.*/var/log/mysql`"; do...
18:34<adama_>will do themill
18:34<themill>!parsing ls
18:34<dpkg>Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See
18:35<nannan>i got trouble with squeeze and the xserver not loading the i810 intel module
18:35<themill>adama_: the ls would seem to be completely unnecessary in that fragment: for i in /backups/daily.*/var/log/mysql; do .... done
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18:35<nannan>i installed xserver-xorg-video-intel but the xserver still reports, that he can't load that module
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18:36<nannan>on etch there was a sym link "" to the, but if i create that it still won't work
18:37<nannan>could someone give me a hint where to search/ask?
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18:39<adama_>thanks themill, got it figured out
18:39<themill>adama_: no worries. BTW the wiki dpkg mentioned above is well worth spending some time on
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19:15<diaboluslamia>hello to all, I have a simple question. Can anyone tell me what would be the most complete software to burn cd/dvd and to create data, audio images and the works?
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19:17<themill>diaboluslamia: many like k3b
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19:18<diaboluslamia>themill: and you can do all of the common tasks with cd/dvd using k3b?
19:18<themill>yes. Try it out yourself.
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19:19<diaboluslamia>themill: ok, will do, thnx
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19:22<abrotman>brasero is nice too
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19:24<evoke>does anyone know the command to test the read and write speed of an sd card in debian
19:24<diaboluslamia>abrotman: yes, I used brasero on one ocation, but lately I dunno what is going on, it ruins any disk it begins to burn
19:24<blast_hardcheese>I like xfburn, personally. Low deps + gui
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19:25<evoke>would it be anything like this
19:25<evoke>dd if=/dev/mmcblk0
19:27<blast_hardcheese>evoke: That's one way to do it
19:27<blast_hardcheese>I like creating a ramdisk, dding a chunk of /dev/urandom to the ramdisk, then dding from the ramdisk to the SD card
19:27<blast_hardcheese>then back from it
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19:28<netmaniack>Hi all, can someone can help Me whit torrentflux-b4rt? :?
19:29<evoke>so the way i just mentioned it coping the sd card to some and then just writing it back there again
19:29<evoke>using that stats
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19:31<evoke>what about the hdparm command
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19:33<diaboluslamia>Does anyone know if there is a good terminal based msn messenger client?
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19:34<abrotman>finch or centerim perhaps ?
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19:36<diaboluslamia>abrotman: are those on the repos?
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19:36<abrotman>judd: versions finch
19:36<judd>abrotman: finch -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny3 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.6.2-1~bpo50+2 sid: 2.6.3-1 squeeze: 2.6.3-1
19:36<abrotman>judd: versions centerim
19:36<judd>abrotman: centerim -- etch-backports: 4.22.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.22.5-1+b1 sid: 4.22.7-1.1 squeeze: 4.22.7-1.1
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19:38<mhtagada>j'ai un souci de multiboot
19:39<mhtagada>j'avais un vista sur mon pc portable
19:39<mhtagada>et j'ai installé une debian
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19:39<mhtagada>seulement maintenant grub ne me propose pas de boot sur vista
19:40<mhtagada>et j'ai pas de menu.lst dans /boot/grub/
19:40<mhtagada>quelqu'un aurai une idée?
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21:26<fbt>hi, can you recommend me a repo to install KOffice 2 on Debian Squeeze?
21:26<fbt>I can't resolve dependencies with 'experimental'
21:26<fbt>is it even possible to install koffice2 on squeeze?
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21:44<diaboluslamia>hello, does anyone know where synaptic saves the .deb files it downloads to when you install something
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21:45<fbt>diaboluslamia: Check /var/cache/apt/archives/
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21:45<diaboluslamia>fbt: thanx
21:46<diaboluslamia>fbt: yes, they're there, thanks a bunch :-)
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22:09<jerryclunsford>Where can I find the Documents for DHCP 3 Server? I have a debian Lenny AMD64 machine.
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22:14<kop_>jerryclunsford: Did you try /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server.... ?
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22:16<jerryclunsford>not yet did a search for dhcp it didn't show any docs at all
22:16<jerryclunsford>I'll take a look.
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22:17<kop_>jerryclunsford: There's also man pages for dhcpd, dhcpd.conf and dhcpd3.
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22:17<jerryclunsford>Found the docs
22:17<kop>jerryclunsford: Where?
22:19<info-boyo>Can't seem to boot debian. I'm getting a "INIT = cannot execute '/etc/init.d/rcS' " right after the "INIT = version 2.86 booting" line at startup.
22:19<jerryclunsford>Which would be easier for a novice to understand the docs or the manual pages?
22:19<info-boyo>Real strange
22:20<kop>jerryclunsford: I always start by reading the rfc, which seems to be atypical.
22:20<jerryclunsford>The rfc?
22:21<kop>jerryclunsford: Maybe wikipedia for the background and then (always) the README.Debian if it exists and then the man pages.
22:21<jerryclunsford>Thank you
22:21<kop>jerryclunsford: The rfc for the protocol in question. The definition of the standard.
22:22<kop>jerryclunsford: The great thing about the net is that there are real standards, ones that must have multiple implimentations to be accepted.
22:22<kop>jerryclunsford: Implimentations that inter-operate.
22:22<agus>help me, I want to remove gnome to xfce, will I loose my apps too?
22:23<kop>agus: You will need to "aptitude unmarkauto" the apps you want to keep, or do the equalivent in synaptic etc.
22:24<jerryclunsford>kop Thanks, I'll go back to reading now that I have found the docs.
22:24<agus>is gnome subset of gtk?
22:25<agus>if yes, I think my apps still work
22:25<kop>agus: You shouldn't need to worry about gtk, or other libraries etc. If you explicitly ask to have something installed other things it needs will automatically be installed.
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22:26<kop>jerryclunsford: You might also check out the guides and other reference materal (debian reference) at There's probably a chapter.
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22:27<kop>agus: If you uninstall something you want to keep, no problem. So long as you don't purge the config files you just re-install it and it comes back like it was.
22:27<agus>I want to remove whole gnome apps, are gnome apps developed by gnome-dev or gtk?
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22:28<agus>I heard gnome run slower, so I try to change with xfce
22:28<kop>agus: You sound like you want to remove the gnome desktop, but you probably want to keep the gnome apps you use. Some apps are associated with gnome, some with kde, and some just exist. You should be able to use them with any desktop, although some will require a lot of dependencies be installed.
22:28<vfen>hii, new to debian - is iceweasel firefox or?
22:29<kop>agus: That should speed your system up.
22:29<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see and ask me about <d-s-a>.
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22:29<vfen>ohh thanks :D
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22:30<agus>for example I want to connect internet via modem wvdial, must it depend on gnome?
22:30<kop>agus: You can keep gnome installed and just install xfce and use that as your default window manager. The'll be a choice on the screen where you login.
22:31<kop>agus: Unless you're running short on disk.
22:31<kop>agus: It may depend on parts of gnome. The package manager is there to worry about that for you.
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22:32<kop>agus: s/The'll/There'll/
22:33<kop>agus: I mis-typed. Should have typed There'll, which is a contraction for there will.
22:34<vfen>how do i install flash/java etc on iceweasel
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22:34<agus>can u show me link about list of independent apps that can run in any native desktop environment?
22:35<kop>vfen: 2 choices. The free version of flash is gnash. Install that. Or you can enable the non-free repositories and install the adobe flash version. I prefer to stick with the stuff that get's it's code audited in public.
22:35<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
22:36<gengxj>is there anyone using emacs to manage c projects?
22:36<kop>agus: All the debian apps should run. It's just a question of how well they interoperate, which they mostly do, and how much they share system resources.
22:36<kop>!tell gengxj -about ask
22:37<kop>gengxj: What do you mean 'manage'?
22:37<gengxj>just like eclipse
22:38<gengxj>when create a project, it creates include dir, include dir, debug dir and also Makefile
22:39<kop>gengxj: Well I prefer to use emacs to code in, and use etags to do all that cross referencing stuff. But prefer stand-alone vcs and other such stuff to really manage things. (I've gravitated to darcs.)
22:39<kop>gengxj: autoconf does that stuff IIRC.
22:39<agus>for example some apps developed by Qt or wxWidgets, do they depend on gnome or can work on desktop environment
22:40<gengxj>is the vcs a version control tool?
22:40<agus>all desktop environment
22:40<kop>agus: The will work.
22:40<kop>gengxj: Yes.
22:40<kop>agus: They will work.
22:41<gengxj>i test the ede plugin, but i think it is hard to use
22:41<kop>gengxj: You probably want to read up on the gnu toolchain. I don't have a good link in mind.
22:41<vfen>flash is clearly not linux friendly
22:41<kop>vfen: gnash is said to work better. YMMV.
22:42<agus>what about app developed by gtk such as pidgin, does it need gnome or can work on native kde/xfce?
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22:42<vfen>i did installed that but
22:42<vfen>still buggy
22:42<info-boyo>vfen: You can also just download the flash plugin from the adobe website and put it under ./mozill/plugins
22:42<info-boyo>vfen: You can also just download the flash plugin from the adobe website and put it under ./mozilla/plugins
22:42<kop>vfen: You do not want to go installing anything that's not include with debian unless you want to do your own system's integration and make sure everything works together. That's what debian does for you.
22:43<kop>agus: It works.
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22:43<info-boyo>vfen: You'll have to create the "plugins" folder yourself though.
22:43<agus>ok, thank you
22:43<info-boyo>vfen: Just unzip the file and put it there. Works fine for me and everybody else who I've recommended it to.
22:43<kop>vfen: Installing non-debian stuff is a recepie for having strange problems later on.
22:44<kop>vfen: Some people like to do it though. MS Windows people are used to having to do it, but their systems turn to muck after a few years and must be wiped and re-installed.
22:44<kop>info-boyo: Will it work after an OS upgrade?
22:45<info-boyo>kop: I've never tried an OS upd
22:45<info-boyo>kop: I've never tried an OS upgrade yet. Have always used lenny.
22:45<info-boyo>kop: If you need to upgrade your os, then just download, unzip, and copy paste again.
22:45<kop>info-boyo: That's the thing. Debian makes sure that once you install it and it works it keeps working, forever. Otherwise, you'll need libraries or whatnot that may change and break things.
22:46<abrotman>!adobe flash
22:46<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
22:46<gengxj>how the linux kernel developers manage linux source codes?
22:47<kop>gengxj: They use git. See also mecurial (spelling?) and subversion.
22:47<info-boyo>vfen: Your call. But it's the easiest way to install flash into your PC. Just downloading and copy pasting into your user/.mozilla/plugins folder. No root password and no package managers.
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22:47<info-boyo>vfen /home/username/.mozilla/plugins folder I mean.
22:48<kop>gengxj: And the classic cvs. It bites but....
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22:50<info-boyo>vfen: Tell us how it goes.
22:50<kop>info-boyo: Package managers rock. There's a reason they exist.
22:52<info-boyo>kop: I know man. I'm very much familiar with the horrors of dependency hell.
22:53<info-boyo>kop: And I very much appreciate Debian's package manager.
22:53<kop>gengxj: Also
22:53<gengxj><kop>i'm curious about the kernel developer's developing environment
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22:54<kop>gengxj: They use anything + gcc + git. Mostly real programmers use vi or emacs. (I'm an emacs fan myself.)
22:55<vfen>um, no location bar/url in file browser thingy?
22:55<gengxj>kop: so what kinds of plugin are you using ?
22:56<kop>gengxj: Emacs has all sort of built-in modes, and hooks to other stuff. It comes with all this. It will probably play poker too.
22:56<info-boyo>vfen: Hmm. What window do you have open?
22:56<vfen>places - home folder
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22:57<kop>gengxj: etags is the handy one, plus the modes for different programming languages. I hate the syntax hilighting and always turn it off.
22:57<info-boyo>the .mozilla folder is hidden by the way. Try choosing 'show hidden files' under 'view I think.
22:57<vfen>but flash works now ^^
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22:57<gengxj>kop: I mean plugins for developing, just like cedet. etc
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22:58<info-boyo>vfen: Oh. Well, okay. Great to hear. Yeah, no url bar in the file browser.
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22:59<kop>gengxj: It's always just been there in the basic install for me. xml, docbook, c, python, m4, lisp etc. Plus the built-in hooks to gcc and gdb.
22:59<vfen>anyway i could add one?
22:59<kop>gengxj: I did have to add something once, but I forget what.
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23:00<info-boyo>vfen: I've never tried adding one really, so I'm not sure if that's possible.
23:01<kop>gengxj: I confess to occasionally sending email from emacs.
23:01<info-boyo>vfen: New to linux?
23:01<vfen>aye :(
23:01<gengxj>so how do you develop c language project?
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23:02<kop>gengxj: I'm not the right one to ask. I write my own makefiles when I should use the autotools.
23:02<info-boyo>vfen: no prob, everyone here was new once as well. Not to bash on debian, but I'd recommend that you check out ubuntu as well. It's great for people new to linux.
23:03<kop>gengxj: I don't do gobs of C.
23:03<vfen>i had it but ye... got problem with grub mater loader
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23:03<kop>vfen: References are in !grounding
23:03<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
23:03<vfen>only had a debian iso cause my laptop with xp wouldnt read my external hd..
23:04<Gun_Smoke>rsyslog the preferred log host? Better option?
23:04<kop>Gun_Smoke: On lenny, yes.
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23:05<info-boyo>vfen: Ah, I see. Well, Debian is nice and stable. But I wouldn't say that it's the most newbie friendly off of all the distros out there.
23:06<kop>vfen: I agree. But because it's stable it "just works" which is what I want.
23:06<info-boyo>vfen: But if you do have questions there's always google and the irc channels.
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23:06<Gun_Smoke>kop, sid here... I need to start keeping some logs from my dd-wrt.. which is acting up.. But the micro firmware requires a server....
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23:07<kop>Gun_Smoke: Dunno. I went to openwrt because dd-wrt seemed to be one guy who had second thoughts about writing free software. There's also emdebian.
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23:07<Gun_Smoke>I'll have to look into that..
23:07<kop>Gun_Smoke: You'll have to rtfm. It may not listen by default.
23:08<Gun_Smoke>kop, yeah I just looked. It doesn't.
23:09<Gun_Smoke>I was more/less curious if the masses were choosing something different than rsyslog for this.. Thinking of the bunch that seem to abandon exim...
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23:18<info-boyo>I'm currently having the "cannot execute "/etc/init.d/rcS"" problem and I can't seem to boot into my machine. I'm trying to "remount root as read and write and link /bin/bash to /bin/sh"
23:18<info-boyo>How exactly do I do those?
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23:28<user01>is there a debian package for lpic tutorials? :)
23:29<user01>books are so outdated, the one i looked at today was still referring to XFree86 only
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23:37<simonrvn>info-boyo: chmod +x /etc/init.d/rcS :P
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23:50<Mish->I have integrated my server with LDAP, the issue is that when a local user is created it creates it correctly, but it uses a high UID (39000, LDAP range), I want it to use UID's in the local range (low 1000's). Any ideas?
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23:53<twb>When sshing from a machine with locales to one without locales, dpkg bitches at length:
23:53<twb>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: [...]
23:53<twb>Currently I just give up and install locales everywhere, just like I have to install ncurses-term everywhere to deal with idiocies like TERM=screen.linux
23:53<sney`>that's probably a 'feature'
23:54<twb>But there must be a way to tell dpkg on hosts without locales to just ignore LANG
23:54<twb>i.e. without warning me
23:54<sney`>maybe tell it that LANG=C globally?
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23:56<blueldr137>what command would I issue to update 'libgl1-mesa-dri' plus its dependencies to version 7.5.2?
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23:57<blueldr137>wouldn't 'aptitude -t squeeze install libgl1-mesa-dri' update it to 7.6?
23:58<blueldr137>or whatever version is in squeeze at the moment :P
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