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---Logopened Fri Oct 30 00:00:01 2009
00:01<twb>blueldr137: TIAS?
00:01<blueldr137>twb: whats TIAS?
00:01<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
00:01<blueldr137>lol ok
00:02<blueldr137>I really don't want to update to an unstable package though :P
00:02<bird>安装 debian testiing 后进不了系统 显示 按 ctrl+d 继续 然后还是这个界面
00:02<blueldr137>I know that 7.5.2 is the latest stable package for Mesa3D.
00:02<sney>blueldr137: if you aren't running sid you won't get anything unstable.
00:03<blueldr137>sney: oh :P
00:03<sney>Things don't move down the pipe from sid until they've had the release critical bugs worked out. Well, most of them anyway. It'll work.
00:03<sney>you can ask the bot for the details
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00:04<Gun_Smoke>squeeze is set for freeze in march I think right?
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00:04<blueldr137>So downloading the Mesa3D libs from the website and manual installing them is my only option?
00:05<dli>bird, this is an english channel
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00:06<sney>blueldr137: Squeeze currently has 7.6-1. If it's in Squeeze it's not broken, so that's what you can use. Any other methods are not officially supported in this channel.
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00:09<blueldr137>sney: well I was looking and at the site and found that 7.5.2 requires kernel 2.6.28 and lenny only has kernel 2.6.26... so if I tried to install the Mesa libs from squeeze they wouldn't work under lenny right?
00:10<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
00:10<sney>dang dpkg you used to have a better response for that
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00:11<sney>You can also install a later kernel if you want. If you're installing a later version of Mesa3D because of hardware support, you may also want the better selection of hardware drivers available in 2.6.30. (at least, in my opinion it's better.) Why are you trying to upgrade Mesa3D anyway?
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00:13<blueldr137>sney: my ati x1600 card won't do direct rendering only indirect rendering :P
00:15<blueldr137>sney: I didn't know you could install a newer kernel :P Can you do this through aptitude?
00:15<sney>yes, from backports. Backports are newer kernels from sid and squeeze back ported to work with lenny.
00:16<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
00:17<blueldr137>sney: thanks :)
00:18<overddose>i have to reinstall grub to the mbr
00:18<overddose>how would i go about doing this
00:18<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
00:18<overddose>i read that
00:18<overddose>i readEVERYTHING
00:18<overddose>but i dont understand :P
00:18<overddose>it says /dev/whatever/
00:18<overddose>what should be there
00:18<sney>whatever your hard drive is
00:18<overddose>how can i find out
00:19<sney>like, if it's an IDE drive plugged into the first channel as the master drive, that would make the disk /dev/hda. the first partition would be /dev/hda1 and so on.
00:19<sney>you can see a list of disks and partitions by doing fdisk -l
00:19<sney>SATA drives show up as sda, sdb, etc
00:19<overddose>im not in debian
00:19<overddose>im on win7 lol
00:20<overddose>as i cant boot into debian atm
00:20<overddose>and its a laptop
00:21<jrabbit>burn a livecd then?
00:21<sney>you would need a livecd of some sort to accomplish the fixmbr task anyway, but you can also work it out just from the hard drive list in the bios
00:21<sney>and if it's a relatively new laptop that only has 1 hard drive, I'm willing to bet that it's /dev/sda
00:21<sney>with the partitions being numbered in order, however many there are
00:21<overddose>its like
00:21<overddose>a 2005 model toshiba
00:22<overddose>when it says *slash* target
00:22<k1lumin4t1_>has anybody got any experience working with informix on debian?
00:22<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. #grml on
00:22<kenyon>I love grml as a liveCD, overddose
00:23<overddose>i have a live cd that came with my linux for dummies book ^_^
00:23<sney>read your book again, the chapter on the filesystem will explain the slashy stuff better than I can
00:23<overddose>i know its ext3
00:24<sney>no not that
00:25<sney>the file heirarchy. I think they used to call it the LFH? it explains what all the slashes mean and what they do. if
00:25<sney>if your book doesn't, it sucks!
00:25<overddose>found it
00:25<overddose>CHAPTER 4 - Navigating the linux file system
00:28<overddose>how can i get the root password for the live cd
00:28<overddose>its not in the book
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00:28<sney>it probably doesn't have one
00:28<sney>many livecds don't
00:29<overddose>what do i do to re install grub?
00:29<twb>!reinstall grub
00:29<dpkg>See Boot a cd like knoppixgrml, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/ Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>
00:29<twb>Why doesn't dpkg recommend Debian Live yet, hmm?
00:30<sney>Hey, that wiki link looks like about what I would have said.
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00:30<overddose>in as little detail as possible, what do i do
00:30<overddose>like, "mount hd1
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00:30<twb>overddose: did you read what dpkg said?
00:31<bird>I install debian testing now but I can
00:31<twb>overddose: so what part of it are you stuck on?
00:31<overddose>well. all of it.
00:31<sney>That supergrub thing looks pretty cool
00:31<overddose>ik, thats what i was looking into
00:31<overddose>i have my live cd, i boot into it
00:31<overddose>and gnome is up so.
00:31<overddose>alt f2?
00:31<twb>overddose: get a root terminal in some way
00:32<bird>but i can`t into system
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00:32<twb>bird: this sentence no verb!
00:33<overddose>i think bird is a pretty cool dude, eh uses no verbs and doesnt afraid of misunderstanding
00:33<sney>this guy no english. poor asian language dudes don't have their own channels
00:33<twb>sney: zh does, apparently ko and ja don't.
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00:34<overddose>/etc/fstab would help me find the title of the drive wouldnt it?
00:34<sney>!tell bird about zh
00:34<twb>overddose: what do you mean by title?
00:34<overddose>hd, hd1 etc
00:34<dli>bird, can you log in by typing in root password?
00:34<twb>overddose: I don't think so.
00:34<sney>fdisk -l would, though.
00:34<twb>overddose: GRUB's device naming scheme is totally independent on Linux's
00:35<sney>oh, that's what we're talking about. nvm
00:35<bird>it si showing enter ctrl+d go on
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00:35<overddose>ok. so first i get a root terminal, fdisk -l. find whether its hd0, hd, or hd1
00:35<dli>bird, try to boot into "single user" mode from grub
00:35<overddose>or something else?
00:36<overddose>bird, is it telling you that the x server is messed up?
00:36<dli>overddose, or, fsck failed?
00:36<overddose>i messed up my xorg.conf on numerous occasions...fucking compiz.
00:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 362] by debhelper
00:37<twb>overddose: how many disks are installed?
00:37<twb>Actually, that doesn't even matter.
00:37<overddose>1 disk.
00:37<overddose>set in laptop.
00:37<twb>overddose: do you have a separate /boot filesystem?
00:37<twb>overddose: OK, so mkdir /target, and mount the root filesystem on /target.
00:37<overddose>i installed a filesystem to check on a drive a long time ago, but never for booting, i just mounted it
00:37<twb>overddose: then grub-install --root-directory /target
00:38<overddose>where do i make the directory
00:38<twb>overddose: eh?
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00:38<overddose>where do i mkdir /target
00:39<overddose>unless /target means / = root -> target
00:39<twb>overddose: no, /target is a literal string
00:39<twb>overddose: the directory "target" in the root directory.
00:39<overddose>so i would have to navigate to the /
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00:39<twb>it's an absolute path, so it doesn't matter where you run it.
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00:40<overddose>ok so once i do that
00:40<overddose>you know i have to reinstall grub to the mbr right?
00:41<overddose>i tried to dual boot win7 and debian with deb loaded first
00:41<sney>these are the steps
00:41<sney>listen to twb, he knows his stuff
00:41<twb>I have reinstalled grub WAY too many times
00:41<twb>This is why my own gear uses extlinux now
00:41<twb>But that would take too long to explain to overddose
00:41<overddose>:[ that hurt...
00:42<overddose>so i make that directory
00:42<overddose>to that directory
00:42<bird>root system file is mounted only read , it is always showe enter "ctrl+d"
00:43<twb>overddose: no.
00:43<twb>overddose: does /target exist yet?
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00:43<overddose>im on the same system
00:43<overddose>if i left now.
00:43<overddose>i would be stuck later
00:43<overddose>so im trying to keep notes.
00:43<overddose>so if it was.
00:43<overddose>how would i mount /target
00:44<kenyon>bird: are you using squeeze?
00:44<overddose>tiem to reload
00:44<twb>overddose: what is the root filesystem's block device?
00:44<twb>overddose: it will typically be something like /dev/sda1
00:44<kenyon>bird: so you upgraded some packages and now you can't boot?
00:44<overddose>not sure
00:44<twb>overddose: all possible block devices will be listed in /proc/partitions
00:44<overddose>can i find out somehow through win7?
00:45<twb>overddose: I cannot help you with Windows, sorry.
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00:45<overddose>i think
00:46<overddose>its sda1
00:46<overddose>could it also be just /sda
00:46<sney>you can figure it out by looking at the device list in the bios as well
00:46<sney>it's not just sda
00:46<kenyon>bird: you probably need to fix /etc/fstab so that it refers to file systems by UUID or some other static identifier
00:46<twb>The BIOS will be full of shit. I would not trust it to give me the time of day.
00:46<overddose>well it is sda1 come to think of it
00:46<overddose>because i NEVER saw hd
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00:47<overddose>this has a sata drive in it
00:47<overddose>sda1 it is
00:47<sney>win7 makes 2 partitions by default, a loader and a system partition. if you installed debian first this will probably be sda3 and sda4, since debian will be sda1 and swap will be sda2
00:47<twb>overddose: '(hdN)' and '(hdN,M)' are GRUB identifiers. They do not occur in Linux.
00:47<dli>bird, if you have a livecd/liveusb there, you can boot a live system from cd/usb, and run fsck
00:48<overddose>so what do i do.
00:48<overddose>mkdir /target
00:48<twb>overddose: you have mounted sda1 on /target?
00:48<overddose>how do i mount it
00:48<twb>overddose: mount /dev/sda1 /target
00:48<bird> i install the system just reboot then it is doing
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00:49<bird>i am fix the system from cdlive
00:49<dli>bird, do you get an "recovery" entry to select during booting?
00:49<twb>overddose: grub-install --root-directory /target '(hd0)'
00:50<twb>overddose: you are done.
00:50<overddose>how would i add win7 to the list
00:50<dli>bird, you may find the partition by: fdisk -l, cat /proc/partitions, then, do something like: fsck -f /dev/sda1
00:51<twb>overddose: I don't know. I imagine you would edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (for GRUB Legacy) or /etc/default/grub-pc (for GRUB 2).
00:51<kenyon>bird: if you just installed the system, corruption is probably not the problem
00:51<twb>overddose: you need to get it to boot Linux before you can worry about Windows
00:52<twb>overddose: note that if you haven't already installed windows, it will delete anything you've just done when you install Windows
00:52<overddose>i have already installed windows
00:52<overddose>and debian was on here before win7
00:52<twb>Good; carry on.
00:52<twb>The best practice is to install Windows first, then Debian.
00:53<overddose>i knew that
00:53<overddose>the bootloader in windows
00:53<overddose>is shit
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00:53<twb>No, because Debian's installer will detect and deal with Windows, but the converse is not true.
00:53<kenyon>my best practice is to relegate windows to virtualbox, heh
00:53<twb>kenyon: well, sure
00:53<sney>I just read a few minutes ago that you can chainload grub from windows's boot.ini
00:54<twb>sney: yeah, but then your Linux system will be dependent on Windows working
00:54<Xenguy>sney: I think that is true
00:54<sney>I wouldn't do it, I'm just surprised that it's true
00:54<Xenguy>boot.ini ?
00:55<twb>chainloading isn't complicated
00:56<bird>my i386 is sometime but amd64 redo debian-system time after time it is always can`t into
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01:08<twb>overddose: all fixed?
01:08<overddose>your grub-install command
01:08<overddose>didnt work
01:09<overddose>i am on my live cd now
01:09<overddose>i went ahead
01:09<twb>overddose: do the same thing again, but add in --rescan
01:09<twb>Sorry, --recheck
01:09<twb>overddose: into the final grub-install command.
01:09<overddose>but where in it
01:09<twb>Hm, I'm assuming you're running the same version of grub on the LiveCD as you are in Debian
01:10<overddose>im not sure
01:10<twb>If only one of them is GRUB 2, that won't work
01:10<overddose>i just installed a version of grub on here
01:10<overddose>just now
01:10<overddose>on the live cd.
01:10<overddose>whatever was in aptitude i have.
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01:11<overddose>user@debian:/target$ grub-install --root-directory /target '(hd)' --recheck
01:11<overddose>bash: grub-install: command not found
01:11<overddose>i missed the 0 in hd
01:11<overddose>but it says that grub-install is not found as a command
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01:12<twb>overddose: erm, you aren't root
01:12<overddose>i cant su
01:12<overddose>asks for password
01:12<overddose>i dont know the pass
01:12<twb>Then fix your live CD, I guess
01:13<overddose>grub-install works fine when i use sudo
01:13<overddose>but it says that --root-directory is unknown
01:14<overddose>maybe --root-directory=/target
01:14<twb>Yeah, try that
01:14<overddose>that did it
01:14<overddose>it says
01:14<overddose>the file /target/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
01:15<overddose>i had grub 1.5 on my debian system
01:16<twb>There is no grub 1.5
01:16<overddose>it said 1.5 :P
01:16<twb>overddose: do "chroot /target dpkg -l grub grub-pc"
01:16<twb>Tell me the versions reported
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01:17<overddose>0.97-47lenny2 and its legacy
01:17<overddose>and grub-pc has none
01:17<twb>OK, good
01:18<twb>And do grub --version without chrooting
01:18<twb>Make sure its version is ≤1
01:18<overddose>grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
01:19<twb>OK, then as long as you get --root-directory correct, and possibly calling --recheck, it should be sufficient to reinstall the MBR
01:19<twb>You shouldn't get 16:14 <overddose> the file /target/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
01:20<overddose>so what do i type?
01:20<twb>grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/target
01:21<overddose>didnt specify '(hd0)'
01:21<overddose>still didnt work
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01:25<twb>overddose: pastebin the output of "cat /proc/partitions" and "ls -l /dev/disk/by-label".
01:26<BobHartge>install disk 1 has repair tools that can find and mount /root and repair the grub boot loader right?
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01:26<ampx>anybody know how to install debian in raid 1
01:27<twb>ampx: md RAID or hardware RAID
01:27<twb>BobHartge: NFI, I don't use install CDs
01:27<ampx>md RAID
01:27<BobHartge>think its also on the net install disk.
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01:28<ampx>Any ideas?
01:30<git-hi9h>ive got a linksys router, and for some reason i cannot ping the wireless port. nor can the wireless port ping my internal network. I had to reset it lately, and i dont know what setting is screwing things up. wrt54g. anyone know what it could be?
01:31<twb>I have a small system, with busbox installed.
01:32<ampx>twb: for md RAID do I still have to setup RAID in my BIOS
01:32<twb>Is there an elegant way to get busybox symlinks to things like /bin/vi?
01:32<twb>i.e. via debconf or so
01:34<overddose>so twb.. what do?
01:34<twb>ampx: you do not.
01:34<twb>ampx: the BIOS cannot know about md RAID
01:34<twb>ampx: for md RAID you should set the BIOS to "no raid" or so
01:37<twb>overddose: OK, I don't know what's doing on.
01:37<twb>overddose: AFAICT you've done everything right.
01:37<ampx>twb: okay thanks i will try it now
01:37<overddose>thx anyway
01:37<twb>overddose: what is the actual fault symptoms?
01:38<overddose>what do you mean?
01:38<twb>i.e. what do you see on screen instead of the grub boot menu?
01:38<overddose>no faults
01:38<overddose>i installed windows lol
01:38<overddose>i have to install grub into the mbr
01:39<twb>overddose: how do you know this hasn't happened?
01:39<overddose>what do you mean :P
01:40<overddose>i mean. it wont boot into grub anymore, since i loaded windows
01:41<BobHartge>are linux and windows in different partitions?
01:42<BobHartge>do you have a net install cd?
01:43<overddose>a what?
01:43<overddose>i will brb
01:43<overddose>going to check and see if grub was fixed at all
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01:46<overddose>still didnt work :P
01:46<BobHartge>what media did you use to install linux?
01:46<overddose>just a dvd
01:47<overddose>mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hd
01:47<overddose>someone wanna break this down for me?
01:48<BobHartge>boot from it.. one of the advanced options is a graphical repair console. it should be able to mount you root and make the repair.
01:48<overddose>or tell me what i have to change so it will suit my computer
01:48<overddose>i dont need it repaired, i just need grub back on the mbr
01:48<overddose>and i need to add win7 to it
01:49<BobHartge>a repair option is to reinstall the mbr.
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01:56<overddose>THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
01:56<overddose>i am in my warm, and cozy home of debian again *hugs laptop*
01:57<overddose>now how would i go about adding win7 to grub
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02:05<BobHartge>in a terminal.. as root.. cd /boot/grub
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02:06<BobHartge>nano menu.lst
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02:09<BobHartge>in that dir .. nano menu.lst .. and add something like these 5 lines..
02:09<BobHartge>title Microsoft Windows XP
02:10<BobHartge>root (hd0,0)
02:10<overddose>win7 = sdc2 and 3
02:10<overddose>2 partitions
02:11<BobHartge>chainloader +1
02:11<BobHartge>that works for my xp on hd0 partition0
02:11<overddose>also, what directory?
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02:11<BobHartge>its in /boot/grub
02:13<jorzo>current debian unstable valgrind seems to be pretty damn useless:
02:13<jorzo>why is it not seeing that bad write?
02:13<overddose>its unstable?
02:14<jorzo>i meant version of valgrind in "Debian Unstable" aka Sid
02:14<overddose>bob, windows comes on the partitions sda2 and 3
02:14<jorzo>but it is the same version in Debian Testing
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02:14<overddose>how would i add that to the list if it requires both sdc2 and 3 to book
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02:15<jorzo>anybody here familiar with valgrind?
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02:16<BobHartge>root (hd0,2)
02:16<BobHartge>might work
02:17<dbldtx>overddose; hallo
02:17<overddose>peeps are loving my new wallpaper XD
02:18<dbldtx>overddose; well that is flattery by proxy - you're the one with the screenshots, happy you like it. Any other custom images, artwork, let me know - or freelance writing projects. I shall astound and amaze.
02:18*dbldtx is not one person
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02:18<overddose>duely noted.
02:19<overddose>dbldtx r0x.
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02:19<dbldtx>overddose; thank you. too kind.
02:19<overddose>wallpaper for free, thats too kind
02:20<dbldtx>!off topic
02:20<dpkg>Shut up, dbldtx, you whore. Keep to the topic.
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02:20*dpkg slaps overddose around a bit with a large trout
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02:20<overddose>dbldtx, website?
02:21<dbldtx>I thought they got rid of the trout after Mardam-Bey got slapped IRL? This belongs in offtopic, but that MUST be a custom channel thing.
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02:21<dbldtx>overddose; I would love to make one. tonight?
02:21<overddose>title Windows 7
02:21<overddose>root (hd0,2)
02:21<overddose>chainloader +1
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02:22<overddose>to paste bin i go...
02:23<overddose>also, dbldtx, yes. i would love to have a glowing white debian spiral
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02:25<overddose>bob, u still hurr?
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02:25<overddose>is this what it is supposed to look like?
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02:27<BobHartge>thats what mine would look like if it were on hd0 partition 3
02:27<overddose>but, windows is on partitions (sdc 2 and 3)
02:27<overddose>whats the 0,2 for?
02:28<BobHartge>linux drive#, partition#
02:29<overddose>dont you mean partition 2? in your previous comment?
02:29<BobHartge>partitions start at 0
02:29<overddose>yeah, i know
02:29<overddose>but you said hd0 partition 3
02:30<overddose>and in my paste it says partition 2
02:30<overddose>and since its windows
02:30<overddose>partition 2 automatically accesses partition 3 :D
02:30<BobHartge>still bootstrapping from linux
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02:33<overddose>said BOOTMGR is Missing
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02:34<overddose>should i try 3? or keep it at 0 or try 1
02:34<BobHartge>which partition is it installed to?
02:34<overddose>2 or 3
02:34<overddose>could be 1 2 or 3
02:34<overddose>does linux only take 1 partition?
02:35<BobHartge>could be more than 1 but by default its 1 and 1 swap usually
02:35<overddose>i didnt select a swap partition
02:35<overddose>so linux is on 0
02:36<overddose>and 1 is probably windows
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02:36<BobHartge>try changing the last number.. could be 0 1 2 or 3
02:36<overddose>i was changing the last number
02:36<overddose>since i only have 1 drive
02:37<BobHartge>if we are on the right drive..
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02:38<overddose>it works
02:38<overddose>i am on win7 nao :D
02:38<overddose>thank you very much for your help bob!
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02:39<BobHartge>what was the drive and partition (X,X)
02:39<overddose>i figured it was 1
02:39<overddose>since linux only takes 1 partition without swap space
02:40<overddose>and since i didnt select swap space yet
02:40<overddose>i haz 1
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02:40<jm_>why guess?
02:40<overddose>im gonna boot back into debian and continue my borderlands download
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02:41<BobHartge>could have been in an extended partition and made things real fun..
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02:43<overddose>ok. dbldtx, u still here?
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03:53<subramanyam>skpye on my system killed the GUI-session
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03:56<subbu>and this is /var/log/messages Oct 30 13:13:52 VVC-Linux kernel: [ 737.617196] process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT
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04:01<blueldr137>does anyone use lm-sensors with an Intel X975 chipset?
04:01<jm_>blueldr137: I doubt the fact its intel chipset matters anything here
04:01<jm_>or which intel chipset for that matter
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04:02<blueldr137>jm: oh, I'm having trouble getting lm-sensors to work :P
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04:02<jm_>blueldr137: which motherboard is it? are you sure it has any sensors on it? in any case, coretemp shall work for at least CPU sensors
04:02<blueldr137>jm: i've installed lm-sensors and -libsensors4
04:03<jm_>you might need newer kernel if it's some very new CPU
04:03<blueldr137>its a pentium D processor and an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard
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04:04<blueldr137>they are both about 3yrs old
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04:05<jm_>ahh did you try sensors-detect?
04:05<jm_>I was confused thinking about new Xyz chipsets ;)
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04:23<peej>telnet-ssl in /etc/services is set to port 992. But the actual connection (at least for localhost) is running over port 23. Is this a bug?
04:24<blueldr137>jm: yeah I tried 'sensors-detect' and it said it found 'i2c-i801' but nothing else
04:25<jm_>blueldr137: which motherboard is it?
04:26<blueldr137>jm: intel D975XBX2
04:26<jm_>blueldr137: ahh I think those often have no external sensors
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04:28<peej>oh. It's a RTFM case. telnet-ssl uses 23 and non-secure by default. Didn't expect that. Need to enable via -z option.
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04:29<blueldr137>jm: oh... :P Is "coretemp" part of lm-sensors? could I use that?
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04:31<jm_>blueldr137: do you have windows on this machine too? coretemp is just for "core" CPU-s, I don't know if pentiums have it, but my memory says no
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04:34<jm_>blueldr137: but I can't this in 2.6.30
04:34<blueldr137>jm: no I don't have windows installed anymore :P That makes sense about COREtemp being for 'core' cpus...
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04:34<jm_>blueldr137: yup it does ;)
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04:35<blueldr137>jm: thanks for the link and help :)
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04:44<blueldr137>jm: would the kernel patch that was on the link you sent me possible break the debian kernel? lol
04:44<jm_>blueldr137: well you should test if it still compiles
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04:45<blueldr137>jm: lol I think this is over my head :)
04:45<blueldr137>jm: how would I manual patch the kernel and recompile it?
04:45<jm_>blueldr137: use patch command
04:45<blueldr137>jm: what happens if the kernel doesn't recompile? :)
04:46<blueldr137>jm: no boot? lol
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04:46<jm_>blueldr137: well you will keep using current kernel, no big deal
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04:48<blueldr137>jm: oh so if it fails it will just fallback to the existing kernel?
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04:50<jm_>blueldr137: no, you won't install anything, you will just try building it first, you'll proceed to next stage only if it works
04:51<blueldr137>jm: i see
04:53<twb>peej: call me Mr. Silly, but why are you using telnet-ssl instead of SSH?
04:53<peej>just playing around
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04:56<blueldr137>jm: thanks I'll have to read up on how to patch the kernel and testing if it compiles :)
04:56<jm_>blueldr137: you can always ask here for help
04:57<f1ash>Hi, my printer font size printing with lpr is too big (worked fine some time ago). What cna be wrong?
04:57<peej>it's kind of educational actually. To run ssl you have to specify it in inetd.conf with -z ssl option, plus you have to specify it with -z ss option in client. And to run it on port 992 (telnets service) you need to specify that in your client. Slightly unexpected.
04:57<blueldr137>jm: ok thanks :) I'm going to try it tomorrow
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04:58<f1ash>I get only approx. 50 caracters per line
05:01<f1ash>on A4, portrait, debian squeeze
05:02<twb>f1ash: what are you printing from?
05:03<f1ash>for example just command line: echo Hello | lpr
05:04<jm_>you can specify cpi
05:04<twb>OK, lpr. That eliminates most of the guff.
05:04<twb>I expect you configure it either in the printer itself, or in cups.
05:05<jm_>i.e. lp -o cpi=15
05:06<f1ash>jm_: ok, can I define some default value?
05:06<jm_>f1ash: yes, in ~/.cups/lpoptions
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05:07<f1ash>jm_: ok, I'll try that and twb: cups. thanks so far!
05:07<jm_>f1ash: try using xpp - it can update that file for you
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05:08<jm_>that's what I use since CUPS documentation is so poor
05:08<twb>I didn't know it even HAD documentation
05:09<f1ash>jm_: ok, installing xpp
05:10<jm_>maybe gnome or kde give you the same config gui
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05:21<f1ash>jm_, twb: ok the cpi=20 in /etc/cups/lpoptions works fine, thanks!
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06:03<EmleyMoor>Is there an equivalent of "leave" that works in X?
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06:12<David->with RAM, is it like this "If it fits, it works"?
06:12<twb>EmleyMoor: what is "leave"?
06:13<WvdAkker>How can I get kbluetooth working on testing?
06:13<WvdAkker>it doesnt seem to work on KDE4
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06:14<EmleyMoor>twb: You type "leave 1730", say, in a shell. The system bell sounds and the shell tells you "You have to leave in 5 minutes" - and at 1 minute to go and every minute thereafter until you log out.
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06:16<twb>EmleyMoor: I haven't seen anything like that, but if you have a full-on wankerriffic GNOME desktop you could hack it together in half and hour using pynotify
06:16<twb>Otherwise, I'd do it with an at job using xmessage or zenity
06:16<icebrain>half an hour? meh, you can probably do it in 5m using Awesome ^^
06:17<twb>icebrain: of course the downside is you'd have to use awesome
06:17<twb>Which is just a shitty RP/ion knock-off
06:18<twb>echo "ratpoison -c 'echo GO HOME!'" | at 5:30PM
06:18<twb>ymmv, etc
06:18<twb>X is for losers who are too dumb to configure uvesafb
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06:32<twb>Is debbugs lagging on replying to submit@ submissions?
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06:36<sri>does anyone here know how can i join #i3 here?
06:37<azeem>sri: you're already joined to that channel
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06:40<twb>!tell sri about irc tutorial
06:41<netmaniack>Hi, is someone tried to run transmission bt client in background from console only? :?
06:42<netmaniack>Can You help Me?
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06:52<themill>twb: yes, it's struggling with the volume of spam at present.
06:52<twb>themill: OK, thanks
06:52<twb>I was getting lonely
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06:54<sri>azeem, twb: i am the only participant in i3 channel??
06:55<azeem>sri: so?
06:55<azeem>sri: this is not an irc helpdesk, sorry
06:57<sri>ok then is there any irc helpdesk?
06:57<azeem>I don't know, google for it
06:58<EmleyMoor>Some networks have #IRChelp
06:58<themill>!irc primer
06:58<dpkg>A Short IRC Primer:
06:59<EmleyMoor>Thanks, themill... was about to mention that too
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07:43<ozzle>How can I fix so that a user cant read cant write
07:43<ozzle>in a dir
07:44<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or, or <qotd232>
07:44<ozzle>I'll take a look
07:44<dpkg><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
07:47<ozzle>But if I want just ONE user to not have permissions to read/write
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07:52<EHOT>Hello everyone ;)
07:53<locklace>!hello gentlemen
07:53<dpkg>All your base are belong to us!
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07:56<timeoh>how to set ip_forward to static
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07:56<petemc>timeoh: do what?
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07:57<timeoh>i would like to set the ip_forward bit alway to 1
07:57<timeoh>after a reboot the value changes to 0
07:57<petemc>you can do that iin sysctl.conf
07:58<timeoh>the complete path pls /etc/??
07:59<timeoh>yes yes thanks a lot petemc
08:00<petemc> np
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08:05<nowhere_man>knowing Debian and GnuPG, I'm able to retrieve and install new archive signing keys, but how is the lambda user supposed to do that?
08:07<twb>nowhere_man: what lambda user?
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08:17<vvas>anyone else notice gconfd occupying 100% of the CPU from a recent GNOME upgrade in sid?
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08:20<twb>vvas: it's probably transient
08:20<twb>vvas: have you tried rebooting?
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08:21<vvas>no, why would i reboot? i tried logging out and back in (making sure no processes of mine were left running in between)
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08:22<twb>vvas: that'd do, as long as you pkill -9 -u vvas before logging in again
08:22<twb>IME gconfd tends to hang around...
08:22<user01>what would it be that everytime i change network interface in interfaces and do ifdown ifup that the new configuration doesnt work unless i reboot?
08:22<twb>Rebooting was easier than explaining how to log in as another user on a tty, and use pkill/killall effectively
08:23<vvas>heh, fair enough, but i'm not *that* kind of user ;^)
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08:24<twb>It is hard to know from a couple of IRC lines
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08:24<vvas>even if i kill it explicitly, GNOME respawns it immediately and it goes on
08:24<user01>do i need to restart some other process besides doing ifdown/ifup?
08:25<twb>This is after making sure there was a point at which you had successfully killed every process owner by your user?
08:25<twb>user01: is this a wifi iface?
08:25<vvas>yes, i already said that
08:25<twb>vvas: OK, just checking
08:25<user01>twb, yep
08:25<dr|z3d>vvas: Kill Gnome session.
08:25<twb>user01: yeah, try ifdown --force
08:25<twb>user01: wifi is a horrible yuk
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08:26<vvas>and the thing is, it wasn't gconf that was updated... so it's something else that's spewing out gconf commands and keeping it busy
08:26<twb>I wish to jump up and down on it
08:26<vvas>no idea how to find out what though
08:26<twb>vvas: strace -f xinit! ;-)
08:26<user01>twb, i know, but they dont have free ethernet cords in cafes :(
08:27<twb>I don't like cafes, either
08:27<carnil>could someone help me out, I'm searching if there is some statistics for packages which licenses are used, I know there was recently such a message on debian-devel pointing to it but I'm not able to find it again
08:27<carnil>someone has the link to that collection/statistics?
08:27<twb>carnil: har har har.
08:28<twb>carnil: debian/copyright is a rude joke
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08:28<twb>It's not currently machine-parsable, so you can't generate statistics about package licensing
08:28<twb>(Unless you want to read debian/copyright of 10,000 packages by hand...)
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08:30<vvas>.gconfd/saved_state exhibits the same pattern: something keeps adding /apps/metacity, /desktop/gnome/applications/terminal, /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility, /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse, removes /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility, adds /desktop/gnome/interface, then does a clientadd
08:30<vvas>oops, that came out a bit long
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08:32<dr|z3d>vvas: gnome session is where you want to look.
08:33<carnil>twb: no sorry I was a bit unclear, I know about DEP5. I was in particular searching for GFDL which one are in main, and which in non-free
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08:33<twb>carnil: you realize that FDL is not automatically grounds for non-free?
08:34<twb>carnil: AIUI only some usages of FDL (which are unfortunately, usages the FSF recommend) result in DFSG-incompliance.
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08:36<carnil>twb: yes for example the Invariant Sections part, it was but I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, do you mean that?
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08:38<twb>carnil: right.
08:38<twb>carnil: but I'm told that invariant sections are only one of the immutable bits that an FDL'd document can have.
08:38<twb>Unfortunately I don't remember offhand what the other optional parts of FDL are
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08:53<sri>is anyone here familiar with i3 window manager?
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09:10<twb>!tell sri about anyone
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09:14<twb>Ah, i3 is just a crummy dwm knock-off
09:14<twb>It'd be nice if these crack-addled ricers contributed back to RP or xmonad instead of forking off into the distance
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09:17<twb>Er, because forking is results in duplication of effort
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09:19<locklace>do you really want contributions from crack-addled ricers?
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09:20*twb holds hands palms-up, and moves them up and down, miming a balance
09:20<twb>There's always the hope they can be reformed
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09:22<peej>I notice /etc/default/ has a bunch of default setting configs. Is this just a debian thing? Or is there some LSB policy on this?
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09:24<twb>peej: FC3 has /etc/default/nss and /etc/default/useradd, FWIW
09:24<dli>peej, for LSB compliance, debian will have to convert APT to RPM :)
09:25<Woet>What would you people recommend as network backup tool? Bacula is any good?
09:25<twb>Woet: wishful thinking and a running start
09:25<dli>Woet, I used rsnapshot
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09:26<twb>Having seen rsnapshot's maintenance team, I wouldn't recommend it
09:26<twb>Not for anything critical, anyway
09:26<petemc>why, do they look funny?
09:26<twb>I've used rsnapshot a lot in the past, but stuff like requiring literal tabs is bloody annoying
09:27<quitte>how does gnome decide to run compiz when it is installed but metacity isn't?
09:27<kooll>Woet: I use bacula for some customers servers. Rather practical
09:27<twb>Every time I touch rsnapshot I have to suppress the urge to rewrite it
09:27<petemc>maybe you should give in to that urge
09:27<Woet>I'll have a look at Bacula and rsnapshot
09:27<quitte>i want to use gnome-shell by default after a new install.
09:27<petemc>i use dirvish, its not actively developed, but works fine for me
09:27<kooll>for my own backups, I use some rather simple script with a rsync basis and link-dest to do the rotation
09:27<Woet>seems Bacula takes the cake atm
09:28<twb>petemc: no; basically rsnapshot isn't maintained
09:28<jm_>Woet: also check backuppc or rdiff-backup
09:29<dli>jm_, does rdiff-backup backup to ntfs?
09:31<jm_>dli: there's a version for windows
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09:31<dli>jm_, no, I don't have windows, but just one ntfs usb hdd
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09:32<jm_>dli: ahh well it just copies stuff to target dir, so it relies on kernel to do that
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09:33<dli>jm_, what about hard links, ownership, permissions?
09:34<jm_>dli: ok now I understand your question, you wan tto copy from Linux to NTFS, in that case I think not
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09:35<quitte>is backing up hardlinks as hardlinks even possible when you're backing up files instead of filesystems?
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09:38<timeoh>i set one iptable rule. after an restart the rule is gone. are there any conf files for iptable rules
09:39<dli>quitte, rsnapshot uses hard links to make incremental backups
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09:40<jm_>timeoh: you can use iptables-save and iptables-restore
09:40<quitte>dli: does that mean that a hardlink is still a hl after restoring?
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09:41<jm_>timeoh: or other front-ends to iptables
09:43<dli>quitte, it's transparent to users, you can find old versions of directories within rsnapshot
09:44<timeoh>ok. i enter a rule into iptables. an after i entered the rule i save the rule with iptables-save
09:44<timeoh>is this assumption correct?
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09:44<quitte>dli: that doesn't answer my question
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09:45<timeoh>thanks a lot
09:45<dli>quitte, if you make a hard link, it's different from making a new file. if you read from a hard link, why is it different from reading a file? so, I don't understand your question
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09:47<quitte>dli: a hardlink is a second name pointing to the same inode. when you copy a hardlink and the original file they are no longer hardlinks
09:47<quitte>dli: there is no difference when you read them but when you write
09:48<vvas>dr|z3d: thanks, i'll have a look
09:49<vvas>dr|z3d: though the process tree looks like, if i kill gnome-session then it takes out my X session with it...
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09:54<miguel000>i want gimp 2.6.* but my distro seems only to come with 2.4.7
09:55<miguel000>why is there NO newer package?
09:55<azeem>miguel000: nobody has backported it yet
09:57<miguel000>is my disro too old?
09:57<azeem>gimp-2.6 is too new
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09:57<miguel000>oook, how can i see which distrio i have?
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09:58<azeem>cat /etc/debian_version
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10:18<krlmk>it's a half Debian question, but. I run a command, catch the needed
10:18<krlmk>word by grep, so it turns in cmd. I would like to use this word as parameter of
10:18<krlmk>~: ipkg list | grep tcpdump | awk '{print $1}'
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10:19<jm_>A=$(your commands) ; echo $A
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10:35<Gus>please help me
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10:35<noflash>Gus, just ask you question
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10:37<Gus>I use thundercache + squid , have used thundecache?
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10:39<vvas>is gimp 2.6 even out yet?
10:39<Gus>I have lunch, hugs
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10:39<vvas>ah no, i'm probably confusing it with 2.8
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10:40<peej>gus: sounds like a hardware dansguardian
10:41<peej>but you should ask your question, targetting it a the debian-related problem.
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10:48<drakeman>Hey guys, there is any command in debian to see the contents of my cd or dvd drives.....>
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10:48<drakeman>or, to see if there is any cd or dvd mounted
10:49<drakeman>petemc, nop,
10:49<drakeman>i can do ls /media/cdrom0
10:49<drakeman>or ls /dev/hda
10:49<drakeman>and i didnt see the contents of the dvd i have in the unit
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10:54<drakeman>any ideas?
10:55<krlmk>first mount the drive; mkdir /mnt/cd; mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt/cd; ls /mnt/cd; umount /mnt/cd
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10:55<krlmk>then ls it, then unmount(umount)
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10:57<krlmk>/dev/cdrom is just a file and must be interpreted(here: mount). Should work.
10:58<drakeman>krlmk, thanks, but i thought the unit was automounted when i insert the disk
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10:59<vvas>if it's automounted, then it should show up when you run 'mount'
10:59<drakeman>vvas, no, is not in the mount list.
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11:00<vvas>then it's not mounted. simple as that
11:00<drakeman>vvas, so now i have to figure it aout what unit i have to mount, i have to dvdrw drives
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11:01<drakeman>working, thanks, but i use mount -t auto /dev/hda /media/cdrom0
11:02<drakeman>didnt use /dev/cdrom
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11:05<drakeman>Thanks vvas, krlmk
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11:24<valdyn>krlmk: man xargs
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11:26<krlmk>:-) will listing the /bin and /sbin then man'ing the files would give whole documentation?
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11:27<krlmk>of the utils
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11:30<overflow>Hi, Can I use win32-loader to boot a livedvd from win$? or where can I get help about the win32-loader?
11:31<gsimmons>overflow: win32-loader is used to transfer Debian-Installer to an existing system, not to boot a live CD/DVD.
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11:31<overflow>gsimmons: can I use for both things?
11:31<overflow>*use it
11:32<gsimmons>overflow: What are you trying to do?
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11:33<overflow>gsimmons: put a win32-loader with selectable options for install the distro or run it live
11:34<overflow>gsimmons: so user don't have to know how to modify the bios for boot from cdrom
11:35<overflow>sorry for my pour english
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11:40<Gus>how to get the hash with the pc in win?
11:42<Ikarus>Gus: just boot the CD, iirc it has an option to self inspect
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11:44<dpkg>epic test fail
11:45<Gus>I know, the problem that pc q do not have cd-rom and do not want to boot from a flash drive
11:45<Gus>I'M from bazil
11:45<krlmk>overflow: but you run the cd on a Windows already?
11:45<overflow>krlmk: I load the cd on a windows, yes
11:46<overflow>krlmk: then I run the win32-loader from the cd
11:46<Gus> already did that several times by cd-rom with ophcrack
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11:46<krlmk>overflow: then why you would have to change BIOS boot options?
11:47<Gus>the pc do not have the right cd-rom is not for the purpose of discovering the password cracking
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11:47<Gus>the BIOS does not support
11:47<overflow>krlmk: to boot from CD
11:48<sri>hey does anyone know i3 window manager over here?
11:48<Gus>must be a way to copy the windows being
11:48<overflow>sri: ion3?
11:48<krlmk>Gus :>
11:48<krlmk>are you there:>
11:48<sri>overflow, not ion3, it is only i3
11:48<krlmk>jump on priv?
11:48<overflow>sri: ok
11:49<virm1>hi, where I can change default $EDITOR
11:50<petemc>update-alternatives --config editor
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11:50<Gus>gedit ? is a good editor
11:51<vicky>how to calibrate penmount 9000?
11:51<Gus>someone uses backtrack?
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11:54<noflash>!tell Gus -about backtrack
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11:55<Gus>is a distribution focused on security and audit
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11:55<Gus>the latest version has the aptitude and uses parts of ubuntu
11:55<noflash>Gus, we know what it is, it's not supported here
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11:56<Gus>debian so here?
11:56<noflash>debian support
11:56<Gus>I also use the debian5
11:57<Gus>'m learning English
11:57<Gus>I speak Portuguese
11:57<noflash>Gus, this isn't a chat channel :)
11:57<vicky>any help on penmount
11:58<Gus>what are those then? haha sorry
11:58<Gus>ow yeah..only help
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11:59<Gus>my firefox resets its settings as soon as closing, I have to set the proxy every time .. use squid
11:59<Gus>anyone know why?
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12:00<virm1>petemc update-alternatives --config editor not list vim
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12:01<Gus>anyone know how I install cbq on my server?
12:02<Gus>has another name? type sharp?
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12:03<g1234>Hi people - what would be the command which gives the contents of a folder, named [folder] in detail? I neam it should say how many subfoders, and how many files on the total i all the folders. I know that there is "right-click propertis" (on gnome) but I not too much satisfied; would prefer the command line
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12:04<lauri>Hello guys
12:05<lauri>Can anybody explain me what this 1: signifies in debian/control: Version: 1:5.1p1-8
12:05<azeem>lauri: the epoch
12:05<azeem>see the Debian Policy Manual for details
12:05<dima_s_d_s>I can not establish Bugzilla3 to debian :(
12:07<lauri>azeem: And how can I tell my package to use this epoch also?
12:07<lauri>I am using debhelper/ dpkg-buildpackage
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12:11<azeem>lauri: why do you want to use it?
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12:12<lauri>I want to replace a package in upstream
12:12<lauri>and it uses epoch
12:13<lauri>right now there is no version field defined in debian/control
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12:14<dima_s_d_s>Ïðâèåò, êòî íèòü ñòàâèë áóãçèëëó?
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12:15<azeem>lauri: why replace the package?
12:15<azeem>do you need a newer version?
12:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
12:17<lauri>azeem: Yes
12:17<azeem>lauri: then I suggest you modify the existing package
12:17<azeem>and do not start over
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12:36<lauri>I can't figure it out
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12:46<hdon>hi all :) does anyone know the status of this bug regarding the libevent-dev?
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12:48<aidave>is there a debian packaging chat room?
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12:48<hdon>aidave: you could try /list
12:48*hdon doesn't know
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12:49<narva>Hi o/ Can anyone help me with valgrind problem??
12:49<hdon>narva: i might be able to. what's your problem? (btw, don't ask to ask!)(
12:50<@Ganneff>aidave: #debian-mentors
12:52<adama>the freshmakers
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12:53<narva>Valgrind warns me about hundreds of error in /lib/ There really a lot of uninitialized values of of size 8 o_O and conditional jumps with uninitialized values and all are from that lib. I get 6497 error with command "valgrind echo foo"
12:53<narva>And the problem is the same with my real program :/
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12:54<narva>oh and I'm using squeeze with my laptop if that matters
12:55<narva>But last time I compiled my c code and checked it with valgrind, nothing like this happened
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12:57<sney>have you updated since last time? maybe you found an obscure bug.
12:57<sney>check the bts for both valgrind and libc
12:58<narva>Yeah I've updated always when the manager have something to update
12:59<narva>What is bts and how do I check those?
12:59<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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13:00<Guest153>Good after noon
13:01<narva>k I'm starting with that. Thx!
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13:11<overddose>why do i keep getting disconnected
13:11<overddose>im wireless, but i get disconnected every 30 minutes
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13:15<hdon>overdose: impossible! how can wireless be disconnected?
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13:15<Pryon>put your AP in a faraday cage
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13:18<overddose>i think i figured it out
13:18<overddose>it disconnects everytime my laptop goes to sleep
13:19<overddose>how can i keep it active (im downloading some stuff for debian"
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13:19<adama>don't let your 'top go to sleep
13:19<overddose>where would i go to change that
13:20<adama>power managememnt
13:21<overddose>is there anyway
13:21<overddose>i can keep it downloading while its sleeping?
13:21<overddose>it was like that before i reinstalled grub :P
13:21<overddose>idk what i did
13:22<adama>no, your hard drives and wireless and lots of other stuff is powered off when it's sleeping
13:23<overddose>how can i switch desktop environments
13:24<adama>just install another one
13:24<overddose>can i hotswap them through a menu?
13:24<overddose>and, does lxde overwrite my current theme
13:25<locklace>!pie overddose
13:25*dpkg hits overddose in the face with a cream pie
13:26<adama>overddose: please try things before asking here. This channel is for solving specific problems, not random brainstorming
13:26<narva>sney: I checked the bts with no results, but I found the same kind of problem from ubuntu forums. They suggest to add libc to the ignored files of valgrind, but how do I suppose to do that??
13:26<sney>man valgrind
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13:27<locklace>!win dpkg
13:27<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
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13:32<kop>Man cat says -v uses the 'M-' notation. What is the M- notation stand for?
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13:33<adama>kop: Alt
13:34<kop>adama: What does Alt do to keyboard input? I know that ctrl masks the first (some few) bits.
13:35<locklace>adama: that makes no sense in the context
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13:35<kop>adama: Meanwhile, I've used hd on the file, so I know what I've got. I'm sorta curious to find out what it is that I've got. Maybe there's a unicode lookup table somewhere?
13:35<overddose>so it DID erase my theme
13:36<overddose>why does lxde only have 2 workspaces?
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13:36<locklace>gnu manpages always suck. they decided info was the one true doc format, back when no one knew about it. now no one cares about it
13:37<tarzeau>locklace: not all gnu manpages suck
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13:39<locklace>true. only the ones for programs with die-hard stallman-tattooed maintainers
13:39<vvas>kop: Alt either sets the high bit (128), or precedes with an ESC. not sure which of the two is implied by -v
13:40<vvas>(i had no idea this option existed)
13:40<locklace>the former, apparently, judging from the html coreutils docs
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13:42<vvas>heh, and i wasn't familiar with hd(1) either
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13:42<vvas>(i've always used od(1) for that)
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13:43<narva>sney: No help in man :/
13:44<sney>well if an ubuntu guy can figure it out then so can you
13:44<sney>I don't actually know, I've never used valgrind
13:44<vvas>i've used it, strange that it doesn't suppress libc errors
13:46<vvas>narva: that's the key word to look for btw, "suppressions"
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13:47<vvas>narva: running with -v should tell you which suppressions files it's loading
13:48<vvas>narva: so you might need to use an extra --use-suppressions with a .supp file in /usr/lib/valgrind/
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13:49<narva>So far so good, but how do I create one and what's the format for that??
13:49<overddose>how do i revert back to x11 from lxde
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13:50<cahoot>you mean gnome?
13:50<cahoot>i e back to gnome
13:50<overddose>i dont like lxde :[
13:50<overddose>i figured it would be better
13:50<overddose>apt-get install gnome?
13:50<steffan>!install gnome
13:50<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
13:50<vvas>narva, if you were paying attention to the manpage (especially after the information i've just given you) you should know the answer for that
13:51<narva>vvas: k thx! Keep looking
13:51<chealer>on squeeze, apache is serving PHP files with Content-type text/html by default. is this an Apache or PHP configuration?
13:51<chealer>If I was to change it to application/xhtml+xml
13:52<overddose>if i had a theme already saved before i installed lxde, would i choose gnome-core?
13:52<adama>overddose: if you didn't remove gnome, you will be able to choose it at the log in screen
13:52<overddose>oook thx
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13:55<overddose>what are the advantages of kde over gnome :P
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13:55<locklace>the quality of your questions continues to decline
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13:56<locklace>no small achievement, under the circumstances
13:56<overddose>why be like that >_>
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13:58<locklace>why indeed
13:58<overddose>such negativity...
13:59<overddose>i dont think the question was in poor quality, as it was stated in the requested format...
14:00<overddose>but now, im pretty sure the time you spent complaining about my quality of questions couldve been used to answer my question in the first place :D
14:00<goodger>overddose: this is not going to get your question answered
14:01<steffan>overddose: that question is pointless. tap what you asked into a search engine and i'm sure there will be a website explaining advantages of kde
14:01<overddose>hard to do.
14:02<overddose>i dont have a browser on here atm lol
14:02<overddose>and i dont know of one to use
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14:03<locklace>!tell overddose about grounding
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14:03<steffan>overddose: kde is a desktop environment, not a window manager if that's what you're looking for. browsers are pretty simple to install :)
14:03<overddose>i dont know of one to install.
14:03<overddose>i dont know the name of one
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14:04<steffan>overddose: iceweasel is one, which replaced firefox
14:04<overddose>now i will install that and look for myself.
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14:10<kop>overddose: aptitude search '~Gbrowser'
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14:20<overddose>i broke my terminal
14:21<locklace>not well enough, obviously
14:22<overddose>tar -acv /media/USB DISK /etc/X11
14:22<overddose>so i did that.
14:22<overddose>and my terminal is liek dis nao.
14:22<valdyn>overddose: type in that terminal "reset" followed by enter
14:22<overddose>i did
14:22<overddose>stayed the same
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14:22<overddose>i just closed it
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14:23<valdyn>overddose: oh well, close it and start a new one
14:23<overddose>wtf happened
14:23<overddose>i was trying to tarball my x11 folder into a usb drive
14:23<valdyn>overddose: you failed typing reset properly
14:23<mib_bh4lyh5q>hey guys
14:23<valdyn>overddose: you should not run commands that you dont understand
14:23<overddose>could be worse. i couldve used rm rf
14:24<valdyn>overddose: thats a command that you do understand i guess
14:24<mib_bh4lyh5q>got a quick q for you, running debian with 2.6.28-11, and am having problems with booting off my hard drives due to my RAID config
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14:24<overddose>disable raid and boot into single user mode?
14:25<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: ask a real question, dont tell us why *you* think you are having problems, because if you knew that you could fix it yourself
14:25<mib_bh4lyh5q>i can do that, the problem is a bit more devious
14:25<mib_bh4lyh5q>its non-deterministic
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14:25<overddose>i wonder if its required to be a douche to people on here...
14:25<mib_bh4lyh5q>sometimes on boot, it selects the RAID drive as sda and then tries to boot off it
14:25<overddose>reinstall grub?
14:25<mib_bh4lyh5q>but some other times it selects my boot drive as sda and boots properly
14:26<mib_bh4lyh5q>so i'm wondering how i can set it so that it always fdinds RAID after my SATA drive, so that my right drive is sda
14:26<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: thats your bios doing funny things
14:26<mib_bh4lyh5q>so i can try a bios firmware upgrade
14:27<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: we cannot guess at which point this reordering happens
14:27<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: so tell us
14:27<mib_bh4lyh5q>but here's the thing, it worked before with an older version of debian
14:27<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: nah, blindly doing it is silly
14:27<mib_bh4lyh5q>if i unplug the RAID drive, everything works fine
14:27<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: so just give us precise info as to at which point exactly your boot hangs
14:27<mib_bh4lyh5q>so i thought i'd ask in here
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14:28<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: the kernel *can* reorder devices too between reboots
14:28<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: thats just a different point in the boot process
14:28<mib_bh4lyh5q>valdyn: i see
14:28<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
14:29<mib_bh4lyh5q>valdyn: how would i determine if thats the problem?
14:29<steffan>Pinguins: hi
14:29<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: by telling us at which point your booting fails
14:29<Pinguins>I've got a problem with my internet connexion
14:29<overddose>WOW, it did it again
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14:29<steffan>Pinguins: explain
14:29<mib_bh4lyh5q>valdyn: ok i'm not at home now, but i can get back to you
14:29<Pinguins>yesterday everything was fine, the debian could connect to internet
14:29<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: read what dpkg said too
14:29<valdyn>mib_bh4lyh5q: im not guaranteed to be here later
14:30<mib_bh4lyh5q>valdyn: sure, no worries, thanks for your help
14:30<Pinguins>Then I've tried to configure my router to reach the debian server from other computer
14:30<Pinguins>then I've installed openssh
14:30<Pinguins>and configure router
14:30<valdyn>is it sund
14:30<valdyn>is it sunday already...
14:31<narva>vvas: Works!! I generated my own suppression file with valgrind. thx for the help! thx for sney also :)
14:31<valdyn>!tell Pinguins -about enter
14:31<overddose>ass root, i used 'tar -c /media/USB DISK /etc/X11
14:31<Pinguins>the router freeze during this operation and then neither the windows computer or the debian one could access to internet
14:31<valdyn>overddose: read the tar mannpage
14:31<overddose>everytime -_-
14:31<valdyn>overddose: tar is *not* cp
14:31<overddose>i have it infront of me
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14:31<Pinguins>so I turn off the router and the modem then restart them and the window computer could access internet but not the debian one
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14:32<overddose>so what would i do?
14:32<steffan>overddose: read it
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14:32<valdyn>overddose: read the tar manpage
14:32<overddose>i did.
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14:32<valdyn>overddose: google for a tar documentation for absolute beginners since you cant understand the tar manpage
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14:33<Pinguins>it seems that it doesn't detect the dhcp server (on the router) and get an ip address by himself
14:33<vvas>narva: you're welcome :^)
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14:33<valdyn>Pinguins: do you know the interface name?
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14:33<Pinguins>Is anyone have an idea about this and how to solve it?
14:34<Pinguins>interface name? from the router?
14:34<valdyn>Pinguins: from your debian
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14:34<valdyn>Pinguins: ok nvm, paste the output of the command "ifconfig -a" ( run as root ) on a paste site
14:34<Pinguins>Ethernet eth0
14:35<valdyn>Pinguins: thats your one and only interface?
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14:35<valdyn>Pinguins: how do you know?
14:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
14:36<valdyn>Pinguins: please paste what i told you
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14:41<Pinguins>eth0 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:18:A9:F6:CA
14:41<Pinguins>inet adr: Bcast: Masque:
14:41<Pinguins>adr inet6: fe80::2e0:18ff:fea9:f6ca/64 Scope:Lien
14:41<Pinguins>RX packets:38 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
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14:42<Pinguins>oups kick from paste
14:42<valdyn>Pinguins: yes, guess why i said paste site or why dpkg told you which paste sites to use
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14:43<kop>overddose: Or, add non-free to your sources.list file and install the tar-doc package and read the info pages. Or just read them on-line at or somewhere. (IIRC)
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14:43<valdyn>Pinguins: im not that patient, just try running "dhclient eth0". If that does not give you internet access, tough luck, ask someone else.
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14:46<Pinguins>where do you want me to paste it
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14:47<frontrank>hello, is there a mailing list or an IRC channel for
14:47<frontrank>can't faind anything
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14:48<frontrank>or problems should be reported elsewhere?
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14:48<valdyn>frontrank: we dont know either
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14:49<valdyn>!listkey undebian
14:49<valdyn>!listkeys undebian
14:49<dpkg>Factoid search of 'undebian' by key returned no results.
14:49<frontrank>valdyn, it's a "latest kernel" repository. I thought it was somehow related to debian.
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14:50<olasd>W 9
14:52<valdyn>frontrank: use
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14:52<frontrank>thank you valdyn
14:52<frontrank>I will.
14:52<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
14:52<frontrank>valdyn, are they related?
14:53<valdyn>frontrank: i dont know
14:53<frontrank>kk, i'll digg this, thx.
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15:03<fgh>Hi! - What, why?
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15:16<slashme>So I finally got around to upgrading my etch system to lenny. Apt-get dist-upgrade worked fine, but now alsa makes no sound at all! Alsamixer still works fine, though.
15:16<sney>!alsa checklist
15:16<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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15:17<slashme>Thanks, some good starts...
15:17<slashme>"groups" says I'm in audio
15:17<sney>fgh: no idea, but if you need to burn that iso you can use cdrecord
15:17<cahoot>slashme: run speaker-test
15:18<slashme>2) Alsamixer: tested...
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15:21<slashme>is speaker-test with no options supposed to run through all the speakers?
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15:22<cahoot>slashme: silence? no error?
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15:22<slashme>strange, silence, but was just doing front left. Now I did speaker-test -c 9 after reading the man, and it's cycling through all, but dead silence.
15:23<cahoot>slashme: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
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15:23<slashme>Yep, just one, and it seems to match my lspci output.
15:23<cahoot>slashme: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
15:24<slashme>OK, claims to have reset my card. Running speaker-test again.
15:24<slashme>Still silent.
15:25<slashme>It's on an nVidia motherboard. Does that change anything?
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15:26<slashme>I vaguely remember having to jump through some or other hoop when I compiled my previous kernel, but now i'm running the stock Lenny kernel.
15:26<cahoot>slashme: I'd guess the provided alsaversion doesn't fully support the card - might also be you need provide an option to the alsa module
15:27<slashme>OK, I'll check the Alsa site.
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15:30<slashme>Ah, getting a glimmer of a memory: I have to have snd-hda-intel loaded....
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15:40<cahoot>I'd guess it's already loaded thogh
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15:41<slashme>Just went through alsaconfig, and it correctly identified the card as needing that.
15:42<slashme>Still strangely silent.
15:42<ozzle>Today I totally screwed up my permission settings
15:42<ozzle>so i wonder
15:42<ozzle>where i the ALSA driver located?
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15:43<slashme>Oh fuck. The headphones decided to die the same time that I upgraded. Nice.
15:43<Gold24>slashme: did you make sure the volume isn't down and/or muted?
15:43<slashme>New pair of headphones fixes problem, lol.
15:44<slashme>ozzle, explain?
15:44<ozzle>I screwed up my permissions
15:44<ozzle>like chmod -R uo+rwx /
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15:45<ozzle>And such
15:45<ozzle>ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
15:45<ozzle>ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dsnoop.c:593:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave
15:45<ozzle>when I run winecfg
15:45<ozzle>fixme:mixer:ALSA_MixerInit No master control found on HDA ATI HDMI, disabling mixer
15:46<ozzle>How do I fix this?
15:46<ozzle>slashme: ?
15:46<slashme>This seems to me to be a hard one to fix.
15:46<ozzle>Oh fuck
15:46<slashme>But I'm no guru.
15:47<slashme>But you did find a remarkably interesting way to screw up :-)
15:47<kop>ozzle: In theory the package system knows what the permissions should be, but I don't know how to tease it out.
15:47<ozzle>I think I just have to change the permissions of something
15:47<rjent_>Greetings will netinstall 5.0.3 detect 3ware raid controller?
15:47<rjent_>for install?
15:47<slashme>kop: good point.
15:47<kop>ozzle: Perhaps the best method is to re-install the already installed packages and have things put back. That can be scripted and might work without human intervention.
15:48<slashme>One could in theory just reinstall the packages.. oh, kop is there already.
15:48<ozzle>Reinstall ALSA?
15:48<kop>ozzle: But it probably won't fix the data files....
15:48<slashme>kop, which data files?
15:48<kop>ozzle: Your problem is now bigger than ALSA.
15:48<kop>slashme: Logs, stuff in /home, configs even.
15:48<ozzle>Fixed the /home stuff
15:48<ozzle>i think
15:49<ozzle>Fixed the most of it
15:49<slashme>Oh, right, but anything installed by the system can be fixed with a reinstall with purge.
15:49<slashme>And most things not installed by the system are not mission-critical.
15:49<kop>slashme: But then he needs to reconfig.
15:49<kop>slashme: Easier at that point to do a complete re-install and keep the existing /home.
15:50<slashme>Good time for a backup.
15:50<kop>slashme: That's an excellent point.
15:50<slashme>backups make re-installs less painful.
15:50<ozzle>How do I make a backup?
15:50<ozzle>With all my packages
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15:50<slashme>no, just your self-created data.
15:50<slashme>All the packages will be reinstalled.
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15:51<ozzle>Backup my homedir
15:51<slashme>back up your home directory and anything else you'd be sad to lose.
15:51<kop>ozzle: With one of the tools listed by: aptitude search '~Gbackup'
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15:52<kop>ozzle: Really, its a good time to restore a backup. You know, one of the ones you make regularly and keep for just this sort of occassion. ;-)
15:52*slashme feels like making a backup.
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15:52<ozzle>kop: Ok
15:52*slashme feels like finding his stack of writable DVDs and making a backup or five.
15:53<ozzle>Can I just install debian again or must I run some kinda restore thing?
15:53<slashme>I'd just re-install and recreate your homedir.
15:53<kop>slashme: You need a regular policy. I have an rsync script that's run by cron nightly. Others use rsnapshot or dirvish or ....
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15:54<slashme>kop: I have lots of digital photos, and no second machine to rsync to.
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15:54<kop>ozzle: You can reinstall and keep your home dir as it is -- if you put /home on it's own partition when you first installed.
15:54<slashme>When I was writing my thesis, I used to resync it to a lab pc, and tgz it and mail it to myself at gmail.
15:54<kop>slashme: I use an old-old box from about 1998 and a big hard drive.
15:54<ozzle>hope this works
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15:54<slashme>bye ozzle
15:54<kop>slashme: I'm thinking of a sheeva plug and an external usb drive.
15:54<slashme>kop: not a bad idea.
15:55<kop>slashme: $20 at your local flea market.
15:55<kop>slashme: Plus $150 for the drive.
15:55<slashme>My point exactly!!!
15:55<xente>does anyone here know how to share daap over ssh?
15:57<kop>xente: Usually ssh -L port:localhost:port does that sort of trick, where "port" is the right port.
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15:57<xente>kop: you are right but I think you have to do something with avahi to get the service published
15:57<kop>xente: Dunno.
15:57<xente>thanks, tho
15:57<kop>xente: You could do full vpn with openvpn.
15:57<xente>kop: do you know where some documentation is on that?
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15:59<kop>xente: It's painful-ish, at least the first time. There's, or google, or the packaged docs in /usr/share/doc/openvpn....
15:59<kop>xente: After the first time it's easy. :-)
15:59<xente>kop: thanks again!
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16:07<slashme>I type "du -sh BigPics/" and get: "23G BigPics/". I think the new HDD idea is not so bad. Now just to figure out the off-site backup concept.
16:08<slashme>The best ones are on picasaweb, but still, I can't believe that I've been so slack as to allow this much unbacked-up data to be sitting on one box!!!!
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16:31<ktebit>i'm trying to install debian4 and the installation stops at "select and install software" at 5%, without getting any error msg and the computer doesn't get freez. i have change the cd-rom drive and it's ide cable. It stops all the time at the same time. Any ideas?
16:31<ktebit>time=percent point*
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16:34<kop>ktebit: Press the function keys and get other windows to look at the messages on the console and in the logs. But why install debian 4, that's silly. It's about to go unsupported.
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16:35<sney>Maybe he needs a 2.4 kernel for some reason. I can't think of one, but maybe..
16:36<kop>sney: Usually the reason is that that's the CD that came with the book, or something like that. Which is ok if the book is more important than the computer but not otherwise.
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16:37<kop>ktebit: Or is it the alt key and the function keys, I forget.
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16:38<ktebit>there is a worning on one console window from 16:24 and right now here is 22:37 and I started that instalation before 10 mins... anyway I cannot bypass that worning, even if i type the requested "yes"
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16:39<kop>ktebit: The next step is to tell us what it says so we can tell you how to fix it. Or, it could be that the software is too old for the hardware and the right thing to do is use something newer.
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16:42<ktebit>the console has alot of in-target msgs like "libpoppler0c2-glib libnss3-0d libavahi-core4 etc... adn it says "Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? yes, no"
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16:45<ktebit>with current version (lenny), after login in I think the gnome doesn't start proper and I cannot reinstall it
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16:53<tuxcrafter>hi al i am getting a XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </img>.
16:53<tuxcrafter>when using iceweasel
16:54<tuxcrafter>what is going on?
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16:55<tuxcrafter>the site is but i am using iceweasel 3.5.3-2
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16:57<Ignaz>seems like an error in the website code; epiphany gives out the same error
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17:00<tuxcrafter>Ignaz: it works with ubuntu iceweasel
17:00<Gold24>ubuntu doesn't have iceweasel ;)
17:00<Gold24>at least last time i was at an ubuntu box
17:01<Gold24>which i will admit is probaly 5 releases ago
17:01<sney>whatever ubuntu's firefox is, I guess
17:01<sney>I don't get the error with Chrome. and Ubuntu is probably on ff 3.5
17:02<sney>they have always favoured "new" over "tested"
17:03<chealer>tuxcrafter: it's most certainly an invalid XML document
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17:05<Ignaz>tuxcrafter, in elinks, it works (that's a console webbrowser) ;)
17:08<sney>Not officially supported by Debian or #debian - but it works and I use it regularly.
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17:10<tuxcrafter>Ignaz: thanks for confirming it i was afread i did something wrong with my browser
17:10<tuxcrafter>midori also does not work
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17:35<tuxcrafter>that chrome browser is pretty neat.. almost usable
17:35<tuxcrafter>to bad my mediawiki sites do not render correctly
17:36<tuxcrafter>probabbly some bug that has not been fixed in the mediawiki package in debian
17:36<tuxcrafter>the offical mediawiki project page renders fine
17:37<sney>the current chrome build is in flux and it updates almost daily
17:37<sney>some things break and others are fixed
17:38<sney>it's kind of fun to watch, and it does work as a browser about 80% of the time.
17:38<sney>and it's waaaaaay faster than anything else.
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17:46<tuxcrafter>sney: to bad they could not just improve firefox
17:46<tuxcrafter>but there are some inovating things here
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17:47<tuxcrafter>webkit technology is fun too
17:47<sney>Each tab is a separate process. I like that because if one site hangs up your browser, you can just close that tab and it's taken care of
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17:47<tuxcrafter>sney: yea i also saw the memory monitoring "nerd" stuff things
17:47<tuxcrafter>that was cool i wish i had that in iceweasel
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18:10<dpkg><Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it
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18:14<arkaniad>Hey guys, i've been wondering, i have like 3 laptops with no networking but modems, one even has no network adapter. I dont want to invest in them, so is there any way i can get network/internet on any of them
18:15<arkaniad>Ps. I also have a USB Wireless adapter but compatibility with linux is hit or miss. Im looking for a linux distro that will give me network on these old pieces of hardware
18:15<arkaniad>Does PPP connect to LAN?
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18:15<locklace>it does if you want to be lame
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18:16<arkaniad>Cuz i have a server that, if i can just connect a phone line between the server and the laptop and forward LAN traffic thru the phone line.
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18:17<locklace>the word is "route"
18:17<arkaniad>Route.. jeez.
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18:38<haggl>hi, can anyone give me some advice regarding nfs?
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18:39<dondelelcaro>haggl: best to just ask your question
18:39<haggl>ok, so...
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18:40<haggl>i set up a nfs server on my debian machine but i can't connect to it from my mac
18:40<haggl>it sais RPC: Port mapper failure - RPc: Timed out
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18:41<haggl>all the daemons are running, and exportfs shows the export...
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18:41<dondelelcaro>haggl: most likely you only have portmap listening on localhost, not
18:41<haggl>how can i change that?
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18:41<dondelelcaro>haggl: edit /etc/default/portmap
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18:43<haggl>ok, now it sais mount_nfs: Operation not permitted
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18:50<haggl>ha, got it!
18:50<locklace>!congratulate haggl
18:50<dpkg>Good show haggl, you did it!
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18:53<haggl>so, now i can read from the share
18:54<haggl>but i set it to rw
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18:55<haggl>ah, i had to set the o+r flag of the directory
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19:00<haggl>yay, works perfectly
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19:06<yousef>I want some one learn me
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19:18<dbldtx>yousef; I will learn you
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19:36<Swaft>hello im a noob trying to install debian , I am logged as root and I cannot execute any bash command, I suspect that after configuring with deboostrap nothing got installed, how do I manage to get them installed using dpkg ?
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19:37<sxp>Hi, i am using squeeze (minimal installation with the netinstall cd) and i can not get up my wi-fi network. When i make iwconfig the console shows the interface ok but i do not know what to install to make a network connection
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19:39<sney>Swaft: not sure why you'd go for debootstrap as a noob
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19:39<sney>Swaft: did you at least get apt?
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19:40<sxp>i was installed: xserver-xorg, alsa, xfce4, gdm, wireless-tools, and network-manager-gnome
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19:40<sney>if you have squeeze you can use wicd instead of network-manager, it's better
19:41<sney>and if the network you're trying to connect to uses WPA, you'll need wpa-supplicant as well
19:41<sxp>I tried first wicd but i have problems too
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19:42<sxp>yes it does
19:42<worr>can anyone help me set up a netware emulator on my network?
19:43<Lillymon>I'm on KDE (Debian Squeeze) and use Icedove as my mail client. Iceweasel is set as my default web browser. But when I click a link in Icedove, it open in Konqueror. I've never been able to find where Thunderbird/Icedove stores its setting for this, so where is it?
19:43<sney>sxp: does the command 'iwlist wlan0 scanning' show any access points?
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19:43<sxp>but i think i do not need to install wpa-supplicant because the network-manager has his own WPA and pass settings
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19:44<worr>I'm trying to set up mars_nwe as a netware emulator, and it says it can't find, although libdb1-compat is installed
19:44<worr>how can I fix this?
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19:45<sney>worr: does exist on your system?
19:45<worr>yeah, it's part of libdb1-compat
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19:45<sney>is it in one of the directories named in /etc/
19:45<sxp>"ra0 Interface does not support scanning: Network is down"
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19:47<worr>no doesn't list it, but it's in /lib...that's kinda weird
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19:47<sney>worr: could be a bug. check bts for that package
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19:48<worr>not an official package
19:48<worr>also, it's 12 years old
19:48<sney>I mean libdb1-compat
19:48<worr>oh, ok
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19:49<worr>no bugs
19:50<sney>hmm, well installation issues should probably be taken to whoever maintains the netware emulator, or lacking that, the docs
19:50<sney>or just dig through the package itself for clues
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19:52<stonie>where can i define that sda is sda for ever??? when i plug another disc interenal (Sata) and reboot sda becomes sdc .... :-(
19:52<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
19:53<sney>sxp: some ralink wifi chips require firmware. which one do you have?
19:54<stonie>tyvm.. so where do i change what? in both files?
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19:59<worr>is there anything I'd have to do to get mars_nwe to see the new library?
19:59<worr>it was installed after I installed mars_nwe
20:00<mom>i have a textfile that has file1 file2 file3, is there a way to have that insert into a command line command like pdftk <textfile?
20:00<sney>worr: you'd have to know where mars_nwe is looking first
20:01<mom>ah i know! maybe echo?
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20:01<worr>how could I figure that out?
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20:03<sney>mom: it'd be with a while loop, but I don't remember how to do those really
20:03<sney>there should be a bash howto somewhere
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20:05<babilen>mom: google for bash and for loop ;-)
20:05<mom>im just trying to insert text from a text file into a line of a command
20:06<mom>why would there need to be a loop?
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20:09<moeen>I have a Image which is in use, and by mistake, I moved another file on it. It's still in use, so I know it's not removed yet, but is there any way I can recover it ?
20:09<moeen>s/a Image/an Image
20:10<nosklo>mom: pdftk $(< textfile)
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20:15<nosklo>moeen: run lsof | grep yourfile
20:16<nosklo>moeen: then cat /proc/[pid]/fd/[fd] > yournewfile
20:16<nosklo>moeen: where [pid] and [fd] you get from lsof
20:16<moeen>nosklo, it didn't find it
20:16<nosklo>then it is not open
20:16<moeen>nosklo, it's an image, used by XEN, and I'm already using it in XEN
20:16<nosklo>xen closed the file
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20:17<moeen>nosklo, then how can I read and write to file ?
20:17<nosklo>dunno. Memory perhaps?
20:17<nosklo>lsof lists all open files
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20:18<moeen>nosklo, it's about 40GB
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20:18<nosklo>I just did a test here
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20:19<moeen>nosklo, I tried another Image which is in use with lsof, it's not listing it
20:19<nosklo>well, then maybe XEN bypasses the kernel tracking of open files
20:19<nosklo>I'm not familiarized with XEN's internal workings
20:20<nosklo>you're runnin that on the host right
20:20<nosklo>not on guest
20:20<moeen>nosklo, yes, in the host
20:20<nosklo>seems like xen bypasses the kernel then
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20:28<Swaft>hello im a noob trying to install debian , I am logged as root and I cannot execute any bash command, I suspect that after configuring with deboostrap nothing got installed, how do I manage to get them installed using dpkg ?
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20:51<n_i_c_k>Any here use xmonad on sid?
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20:55<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
20:56<adb>n_i_c_k, ask in #xmonad ...
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20:57<n_i_c_k> adb: ok
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21:04<mom>thanks very powerful
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21:16<stuart>How do I install Adobe Flah (official version) on Debian stable
21:16<dpkg>methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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21:16<icebrain>!adobe flash
21:16<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
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21:17<stuart>Does backports receive timely security updates... is it considered "safe"
21:18<icebrain>don't know, sorry
21:18<stuart>ok, thanks
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21:18<icebrain>actually, dpkgs says this:
21:18<icebrain>!backport caveat
21:18<dpkg>Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered
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21:19<stuart>i guess most home users use it then...?
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21:21<icebrain>possibly. I use sid myself, so I don't know
21:21<stuart>ok - thanks
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22:09<scb>Hello. I am having a problem with the gtk font rendering. In my KDE apps they look just fine, but with firefox/gtk apps they look just fugly. Here's a picture:
22:09<scb>Any idea of what could be causing this?
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23:26<user01>when i play supertuxkart i get cell phone noises all the time
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23:28<user01>Gun_Smoke, you know how if you have a cell phone near a speaker and right before it rings you hear pinging?
23:28<user01>it likes that only loud when i play tux racer
23:29<user01>its like
23:29<PovAddict>your graphics card rendering OpenGL makes the same kind of radio interference? :)
23:29<PovAddict>I'd report it to the FCC :)
23:30<user01>i dont think so, it doesnt make any noise in compiz
23:30<user01>or frozenbubble
23:31<PovAddict>are you grabbing too much or too little fish?
23:31<PovAddict>maybe it's tux's stomach
23:31<user01>not tuxracer
23:31<user01>tuxracer is fine
23:31<user01>its supertuxkart
23:31<Gun_Smoke>What's the preferred way to delay a process during boot. It isn't necessary. Sabnzbd to be exact. It takes a long time and I feel there is no reason to have it up until after gdm is up
23:32<PovAddict>Gun_Smoke: I don't know... I'd tell you to give it a bigger sequence number, but debian recently changed that completely so it's dependency-based, not using an ordered sequence
23:32<PovAddict>I haven't read details about the new way yet
23:32<dkr>Gun_Smoke: change the boot order by way of the preference numbers
23:32<Gun_Smoke>PovAddict, right.. I remember reading about that.
23:33<user01>is there a way to prompt to load a different interface file like a grub menu at boot?
23:33<Gun_Smoke>dkr, in /e/i/foo?
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23:33<interbird>It's w7 booting amongst non-win machines; it's grublin' cause it's not used to being around 'other' systems
23:33<user01>like 99% of the time at one of 4 places, and it would be nice to hit 1 2 3 4 for the location im at
23:34<jkhk>after ubuntu installation do i have to install drivers?
23:34<dkr>Gun_Smoke: update-rc.d is a way to do it without messing with the symlinks yourself in /etc/rc.?
23:34<PovAddict>jkhk: this is not #ubuntu ;)
23:34<jkhk>ahaha sorry :D
23:34<Gun_Smoke>dkr, cool.. thanks.
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23:35<user01>im finally out of my 2 year contract! is there any such thing as a quad band debian phone?
23:35<dkr>user01: get a Droid :)
23:35<PovAddict>is there any such thing as a "debian phone"?
23:35<Gun_Smoke>n900 is dam close
23:35<user01>openmoko was one i thik
23:36<Gun_Smoke>freerunner is okay, but a handful.
23:36<user01>but it died
23:36<interbird>openmoke is one
23:36<user01>droid=another 2 year contract
23:37<user01>they have cheap android 1.5 sciphones but they are europe only :(
23:37<dkr>on an expensive carrier, too
23:38<user01>every year i think, theyre almost there for what i want and then they screw it up
23:38<user01>openmoko with quad band and then they dropped quad band, took far too long to develop, and went bankrupt
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23:39<user01>then iphone looked cool but they had a contract . . . i hear its like 4000 the total cost of owning one
23:40<dkr>yeah, i was waiting for along time to buy an openmoko phone, eventually gave up and bought g1
23:40<user01>yeah i was looking at g1
23:40<user01>but not as many features, but i think they are like $50 now
23:41<user01>with 2 year contract
23:41<user01>n900 and droid look cool though
23:41<adb>user01, keep on topic , for now
23:41<dkr>at least for our PC's we don't have to settle for mostly open
23:42<user01>i know i just wanted a cool debian based phone :(
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23:42<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
23:42<dkr>adb: see, i segued back to debian, :)
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23:43<user01>adb why didnt dpkg render the fonts?
23:43<PovAddict>were those chinese characters?
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23:44<dkr>bot doesn't do unicode unfortunately. i tried for a while to update some of the language factoids with proper characters in antive languages
23:44<user01>i saw qwes characters but not dpkgs
23:44<PovAddict>I see squares :(
23:44<PovAddict>what font should I install?
23:44<adb> CHINANET-HB
23:44<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
23:45<user01>how do you know it is chinese and not japanese?
23:45<PovAddict>I installed japanese fonts
23:45<PovAddict>but I see squares on qwe's messages
23:45<adb>whois tell us
23:45<jrabbit>user01: there is no japansese help channel
23:45<PovAddict>hence, chinese
23:45<user01>i thought they used the same characters
23:45<PovAddict>user01: no
23:45<dkr>user01: they use some
23:45<jrabbit>thats be too easy.
23:46<PovAddict>user01: also, korean characters are noticeably different from both cn and jp
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23:46<adb>qwe, use english here , please
23:46<user01>¨Chinese characters first came to Japan on articles imported from China.¨
23:47<interbird>qwe: What is your country ?
23:47<adb>China ..
23:48<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
23:48<jrjackso>hey, having some problems with lirc. i just upgraded to karmic on a mythbuntu box and /dev/lirc0 is no longer created. anyone think they can help?
23:48<interbird>qwe: Ok, this is an English channel,please look above for China channel, thanks.
23:48<user01>yeah doesnt work
23:49<user01>qwe, ''/join #debian-zh"
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23:53<eix_>hell, chinese ... i even don't use umlauts on irc ...
23:53<Gun_Smoke>bunch of boxes on my end
23:54<user01>would there be a way to convert that to the unicode characters?
23:54<user01> è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 ?
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23:55<user01>well guess it works
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23:56<eix_>hmm, I don't know what the legacy chinese encoding is
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