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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-11-03

---Logopened Tue Nov 03 00:00:13 2009
---Daychanged Tue Nov 03 2009
00:00<faheem>Try googling for the error - you'll get similar advice
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00:00<TheCheeze>i also have no lubcap0.8
00:00<faheem>hang on, what does libpcap0.8.list have
00:00<TheCheeze>i have libacp2
00:01<faheem>cd into /var/lib/dpkg/info
00:01<faheem>then do
00:01<faheem>ls -la | grep libpcap
00:01<faheem>what do you get>
00:02<faheem>also, what is the output of
00:02<TheCheeze>ls: cannot access libcap: No such file or directory
00:02<faheem>dpkg -l | grep libpcap
00:02<dpkg>ii | grep libpcap 2.6-15.1 faheem's private gamp collection
00:02<TheCheeze>oops, missed a part
00:02<faheem>dpkg, you are not being very helpful
00:02<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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00:03<TheCheeze>kender@kender-laptop:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ls -la | grep libcap
00:03<TheCheeze>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 2009-10-29 17:44 libcap2.list
00:03<TheCheeze>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 265 2009-07-02 09:18 libcap2.md5sums
00:03<TheCheeze>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 2009-07-02 09:18 libcap2.postinst
00:03<TheCheeze>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 132 2009-07-02 09:18 libcap2.postrm
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00:03<faheem>TheCheeze: use paste
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00:03<faheem>TheCheeze: look at libpcap, bot libcap
00:04<faheem>bot -> not
00:04<faheem>just list the *.list line
00:04<TheCheeze>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 425 2009-10-29 18:04 libpcap0.8.list
00:04<TheCheeze>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 561 2009-08-11 04:37 libpcap0.8.md5sums
00:04<TheCheeze>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 2009-08-11 04:37 libpcap0.8.postinst
00:04<TheCheeze>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 132 2009-08-11 04:37 libpcap0.8.postrm
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00:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
00:04<TheCheeze>i'll get this right yet...
00:04<faheem>TheCheeze: again, use paste
00:05<TheCheeze>i tried
00:05<faheem>ok, check libpcap0.8.list
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00:05<faheem>there is likely something wrong with that file. rename to libpcap0.8.list.orig
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00:05<faheem>then try removing libpcap0.8 (if you can)
00:05<TheCheeze>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 425 2009-10-29 18:04 libpcap0.8.list
00:06<TheCheeze>noob question, but what is the rename command?
00:06<faheem>TheCheeze: mv libpcap0.8.list libpcap0.8.list.orig
00:06<faheem>you'll need to use sudo or be root
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00:08<TheCheeze>then sudo apt-get reinstall libpcap0.8?
00:08<faheem>TheCheeze: no, apt-get install libpcap0.8 --reinstall
00:09<TheCheeze>came back with the same error
00:09<faheem>you renamed the file in question?
00:09<TheCheeze>files list file for package 'ufw' is missing final newline
00:10<faheem>TheCheeze: strange. check by doing the grep again. don't need to paste it here
00:10<faheem>make sure there is no libpcap0.8.list
00:11<TheCheeze>there is indeed no libpcap0.8.list
00:12<faheem>TheCheeze: ok, you need to do the same thing for ufw, sorry
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00:13<faheem>not the same error. different package
00:14<TheCheeze>ok, i think it got it this time. renamed the ufw like before, tried again and came back apparently successful
00:14<faheem>TheCheeze: you'll want to reinstall the two offending packages
00:15<faheem>odd error. you might want to check your disks are ok and there is no filesystem corruption
00:15<TheCheeze>fsck came back ok
00:15<faheem>TheCheeze: hmm.
00:15<TheCheeze>after a few fixes of course
00:16<faheem>TheCheeze: did something happen to your machine? you are using ext3?
00:16<TheCheeze>ext3 and it all started after an update manager update
00:16<faheem>TheCheeze: oh, running lenny? what update manager?
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00:17<faheem>TheCheeze: lucky you didn't mention that earlier, or you would have been booted from here. :-)
00:17<TheCheeze>another error on ufw reinstall
00:18<TheCheeze>the people in #ubuntu were not very helpful so an associate had me try here lol
00:18<PovAddict>#ubuntu is a noob nest usually
00:18<faheem>TheCheeze: this is a pretty standard error. googling would give you what you need.
00:18<TheCheeze>exactly. everyone tryting to shout over eachother for attention
00:18<faheem>TheCheeze: different package or same package?
00:19<TheCheeze>i tried googling but couldnt make heads or tails of it :(
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00:19<faheem>TheCheeze: ?
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00:20<TheCheeze>for the ufw reinstall
00:20<faheem>TheCheeze: what was the error exactly?
00:22<faheem>TheCheeze: try just removing it
00:22<faheem>assuming it has nothing depending on it
00:23<faheem>Alternatively, you could try adding a newline to the list file and restoring it
00:24<faheem>TheCheeze: got to go and eat. back later, possibly
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00:27<TheCheeze>unfortunately, i have to head to bed. ok if i idle here? if not then gimme the boot (not like you need my pernmission lol)
00:28<faheem>TheCheeze: better suggestion, try commenting out the prerm script
00:28<faheem>put a hash in front of all lines, it is a shell script
00:28<faheem>sec, let you look at your paste
00:29<faheem>this looks like a bit of a mess, sorry
00:29<faheem>it is a bit hard to drive remotely.
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01:32<Guest590>good morning
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01:32<Guest590>wie bekomme ich einen Nicknamen
01:33<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
01:33<Guest590>okay.. thanks.. bye
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02:42<tarzeau>is tobias winchen here?
02:42<josh_>is anybody here who could remove an email sent to debian-legal mail-list?
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02:45<josh_>how can i contact whith debian-legal mail-list moderation?
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02:46<tarzeau>josh_: i don't think they do this
02:46<simonrvn>tried yet?
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02:46<tarzeau>what simonrvn said or
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02:50*dbldtx thinks archive was a bad idea
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02:53<Draco112358>ciao a tutti
02:53<josh_>thanks, i wrote to
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02:55<dpkg>[add] the auto descruction device in debian
02:55<dpkg>draco112358: VATTENE VIA
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02:56<Draco112358>scusate sono nuovo di XChat...come si fa a scaricare file?
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02:59<simonrvn>/kick Draco112358
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04:45<dpkg><niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns?
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04:55<Prathibha>I am using debian lenny. I get Splashy ERROR: Connection Refused while booting into the partition.. but still the splash screen comes up. How to solve this?
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05:36<sander_m>Hi. I'm getting notifications that my wireless mouse battery is low. But I have two wireless mice connected to my PC. How can I find out which one is almost empty?
05:38<locklace>disconnect one and see if you still get the notification
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05:39<BobHartge>try fresh batteries in one
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06:05<Prathibha>libsplashy: Frame buffer is not configured properly
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06:07<locklace>blue wizard needs food, badly
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07:06<jph>I want to netinstall a dell optiplex 760 (very very new...) but the standard lenny kernel does not support the network chip yet (Intel 82567LM-3). I built a new kernel (2.6.30-2 from testing) packaged and uploaded it to my own debian repository. I then managed to build a debian installer with this kernel. But the installer keeps installing the old 2.6.26 standard lenny kernel. What should i do?
07:06<jm_>jph: there is d-i for lenny with 2.6.30
07:06<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
07:07<jm_>but if you already built it ...
07:07<jm_>btw, you can get 2.6.3x from backports
07:07<jm_>judd kernels
07:07<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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07:09<jph>I will try...
07:09<Ouro>my xserver crashes in vesa driver when i try to set resolution :(
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07:11<Ouro>why is xorg so messed up in lenny? does not quite work properly on either of two machines i tried so far... both worked fine with etch
07:11<jm_>works fine for me on several machines
07:11<Ouro>perhaps it will work eventually, but what i mean is that it does not work out of the box
07:12<jm_>it relies on auto configuration nowadays
07:12<jm_>that's the big difference
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07:12<Ouro>is there an easy way to generate a simple xorg.conf?
07:13<Ouro>i tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it did only keyboard stuff
07:13<jm_>!empty xorg.conf
07:13<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config lenny>, <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg hal>.
07:14<jm_>try asking it about one of those
07:15<Ouro>i have a feeling that i need a different driver first
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07:15<jm_>which card is it?
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07:15<Ouro>some old nvidia one
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07:16<jm_>for that see if nv driver supports it (man nv), otherwise use binary only driver (-legacy for old cards)
07:16<Ouro>i dont want to compile the nvidia driver now... i have been awake too long for that
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07:19<Ouro>does xorg also auto-detect the driver?
07:19<Ouro>i mean, should i put "nv" in xorg.conf or is there another way to do this now
07:20<jm_>that's the only way if auto stuff fails
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07:20<coda>hi htere
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07:22<Ouro>actually nevermind, i dont think this card is nvidia
07:22<jm_>use lspci
07:23<Ouro>yeah, its aspeed, whatever that is
07:23<Ouro>i guess i am stuck with vesa then
07:23<coda>excuse me guys, does anybody know how to detect a Broadcom NetXtreme II (BCM5716) on debian 5
07:23<jm_>is that all it says?
07:23<jm_>coda: is that wireless?
07:24<coda>jm_, nope
07:24<Ouro>jm_: aspeed technology, inc. ast2000
07:24<Ouro>oh well, i am fine with vesa if i can get it to not crash
07:24<jm_>coda: try hcl (/msg dpkg hcl -- kmuto URL)
07:25<jm_>Ouro: interesting, web page says xorg 7.2 driver
07:25<coda>jm_, I used to fix it by installing the firmware-bnx2 package, but it seems this model is no longer supported by that package
07:25<coda>jm_, thanks :) I'll give it a try
07:26<gsimmons>coda: No, it's the bnx2 driver that doesn't support the BCM5716 in Lenny.
07:27<Ouro>well, since i have all the xorg-xserver-video-* installed, xorg should have detected something besides vesa if it exists, correct?
07:28<coda>gsimmons, oh.. was it replaced by a new driver or something?
07:28<gsimmons>coda: No.
07:28<gsimmons>dpkg: bcm5716
07:28<dpkg>[bcm5716] the Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716/BCM5716S Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express network controllers (PCI-Ids 14e4:163b, 14e4:163c). They are not supported by the <bnx2> driver in Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel. For support of these devices during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and use lenny-custom-0627 or later.
07:28<jm_>hmm I see ast driver mentioned on, but not in Debian
07:28<Ouro>so here is what i am doing: xrandr --auto; xrandr -s 1 <crash here>
07:28<jm_>doh should have asked dpkg about 5716
07:30<coda>gsimmons, thanks!
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07:30<jm_>maybe it's worth asking X strike force why ast is not included in Debian
07:31<jm_> mentions it
07:32<Ouro>well, i give up
07:34<jm_>well you should encourage them to include it
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07:35<Ouro>meh. i dont have the energy for it now :/
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07:37<Ouro>i wonder why xorg sets the resolution too high in the first place... doesnt the monitor report the correct one?
07:37<Ouro>maybe it is going with absolute maximum supported rather than the optimal one
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07:39<styx-tdo>hi.. problem: / is mounted RO.. mount -n -t reiserfs /dev/sda3 / -o rw,remount -> mount: /dev/sda3: can't read superblock
07:39<styx-tdo>a fsck.reiserfs says no errors
07:39<jm_>you should check your X logfile, it includes details about modes - normally it asks monitor to figure out which mode to use
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07:43<Ouro>well, it finds a bunch of modes, then uses 1600x1200
07:43<Ouro>still no idea how to get it to use 1280x1024
07:44<jm_>you'll need to edit xorg.conf to override it
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07:57<Ouro>i think it wont work anyway, since i cant set it manually via xrandr
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07:58<jm_>it might, since it won't rely on randr to do it (in case the problem is there0
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07:58<Ouro>the backtrace shows the crash in libpixman
07:59<Ouro>this seems to be a fairly common crash from many different causes
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08:01<jm_>in that case I would try setting it via xorg.conf
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08:02<Ouro>i should just admit that i have no idea how to do that :) i tried adding a Display SubSection, but it just ignored it
08:02<Ouro>should i start from the empty config or the one generated by "X -configure"
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08:05<jm_>I recommend the latter
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08:05<jm_>use this as a template
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08:07<Ouro>sigh, i could be sleeping right now :)
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08:12<slytroya>Hello people.
08:13<Ouro>jm_: works :) i guess i was missing a line or two
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08:17<D1EG0>hi people
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08:18<Ouro>yeah, it needs a DefaultDepth line, otherwise it ignores the modes
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08:19<jm_>even if you declare for which depth modes are for?
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08:20<Ouro>apparently so
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08:22<Ouro>maybe it decides which of the specified modes to use based on matching the default depth?
08:22<Ouro>anyway, i am happy with this
08:22<slytroya>Folk, I'm in trouble with VirtualBox. I have an issue for long time ago. I just can't make a network runs between two linuxes. (the real and the virtual one).
08:22<Ouro>thanks for the help
08:22<jm_>no worries
08:23<slytroya>Can someone give me a light? :)
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08:24<Ouro>they both have an IP on the network?
08:25<slytroya>Yes. (at least I guess).
08:25<slytroya>In my house there's a router. The pcs connects automatically... my IP is, the mask
08:26<slytroya>On the virtual linux, I typed # ifconfig eth0 up
08:26<dr|z3d>slytroya: The shared folders feature of VBox you should take a look at.
08:27<slytroya>I've added a folder there. but...
08:27<slytroya>The type of network is NAT. I need to change it?
08:28<Ouro>i dont know how it works in virtualbox, but in vmware the NAT subnet would be different from your main external one
08:29<dr|z3d>Tried adding vboxusers group permissions to your user account?
08:29<Ouro>unless you want to use bridged network...
08:29<D1EG0>anybody knows how kill a process from php?
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08:29<D1EG0>it use www-data that haven't kill permission I think
08:30<jm_>D1EG0: quite rightfully so
08:30<D1EG0>ok then
08:30<D1EG0>I must change permission
08:30<slytroya>I'm already on this group (vboxusers)
08:30<D1EG0>or I must change user?
08:30<jm_>please don't, it's like that for a reason
08:30<D1EG0>yes I agree
08:31<D1EG0>then how can kill process from php
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08:31<jm_>why do you need to do it from php?
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08:31<jm_>it sounds like a bad idea, see webmin as an example
08:31<D1EG0>I have only remote access
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08:33<daenney>can anyone tell me why has a AAAA-record but is quite stubbornly refusing connections over v6?
08:33<Ouro>slytroya: your problem is that you cannot connect via the network at all, correct?
08:33<D1EG0>thanks jm_ I'm reading about webmin ;)
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08:34<jm_>D1EG0: that was just to point of what can happen if you want to run stuff that needs root via http
08:34<daenney>it's quite irritating to have to hardcode to an ipv4 IP in sources.list in order to be able to fetch updates
08:34<slytroya>Ouro, Internet works perfectly.
08:34<Makaraki>Hi everyone, I have a basic question regardin ssh, I have configured my sshd_config in order to listen port 8081 instead of default 22, but when I execute ssh user@remotehost -p 8081 it allways complains of connection reset bu peer, I tried to shift the sshd listening port to 22 and it works ok, why I can not switch it?
08:34<Ouro>slytroya: i mean between host and guess OS
08:34<slytroya>I just need to share folders. ^^
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08:35<boknoy>why is it that most of the time, routers I've connected to refuse to give IP's? It's like it hates linux or something...
08:35<Ouro>slytroya: i mean, e.g. can you ping the guest from the host?
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08:36<slytroya>Ouro, 100% packet loss
08:36<daenney>it seems 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62::2/ is the only one accepting connections over v6
08:36<boknoy>like there was one time at work, I set up a smb server, but during installation it kept on giving the "Network autoconfiguration failed" error in the installer... when I finished installing, dhclient refused to work. It worked the evening later, and it stopped working the morning after that.
08:36<Ouro>slytroya: ok, please paste "ifconfig" from both machines to the pastebin
08:37<jm_>daenney: yeah, security is a pool of mirrors so it might be just some work
08:37<weasel>daenney: give us traceroutes and tcptraceroutes to all the addresses in
08:37<Ouro>boknoy: shitty router?
08:37<daenney>weasel: sure, gimme a sec
08:37<boknoy>I even tried plugging a Windows PC in, and it worked! o_O
08:37<slytroya>Ouro, I'm sorry, but what is "pastebin"?. I heard about it before, but I don't know wha it is.
08:37<Ouro>!dpkg paste
08:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
08:38<weasel>daenney: (mtr -r -n -c 10 <ip> and traceroute -M tcpconn -p 80 -n <ip>)
08:38<boknoy>Ouro, Iunno, the router at home and the router at work both don't work (D-Link and TP-Link routers)
08:38<jm_>boknoy: there are also different dhcp clients in debian, switching to alternative one can help sometimes
08:38<daenney>weasel: ty
08:38<Ouro>boknoy: i am not aware of any general problem between linux dhcp clients and consumer routers
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08:38<Ouro>boknoy: you will have ot investigate further
08:39<boknoy>i'm not sure if that's the problem... dhclient seemed to work after a while. After three days, this problem stopped.... it's like it needed to get to know the router :lol:
08:39<Ouro>my personal experience is that routers suck... i have a netgear that i still cant get to give the correct IPs to the correct macs
08:39<Ouro>it does it most of the time, but sometimes it just do what it wants
08:39<Ouro>maybe you are experiencing something similar
08:40<boknoy>but it's such a pain during net installs... I'm trying to install right now, and it keeps on saying "Network autoconfiguration failed"... I'm sure it's plugged in.
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08:40<boknoy>Ouro, yeah, maybe that's what I'm getting.
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08:41<Ouro>you can attempt to sniff the network traffic
08:41<boknoy>Ouro, how? :)
08:41<slytroya>Ouro, (the phisical machine)
08:41<Makaraki>I solved the problem! but don't know the reason exactly, I took a look to the 8081 port description with less /etc/services and I realized that this port is for transparent proxy anyway I can asure you that before it was working properly in that port, what I think is that after installing shorewall firewall maybe could affetcted the use of that port? pleas can anyone help me to clarify that point?
08:42<slytroya>Ouro, I'm thinking how can I copy the ifconfig from the virtualbox.... lol
08:42<weasel>daenney: ping me when you have the outputs
08:42<Ouro>boknoy: mmmm.... if you cant install a sniffer (tcpdump, wireshark) on your linux machine, then you need a hub and a nother mahcine with a sniffer
08:43<boknoy>but afaik, I need to have an interface up to use one?
08:44<Ouro>it doesnt need to have an IP though
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08:45<weasel>daenney: can you reach anything using tcp over ipv6?
08:45<slytroya>I messed it all. Internet don't work anymore.
08:45<daenney>weasel: yes, easily
08:45<boknoy>Ouro, thanks I'll do that :)
08:45<Ouro>slytroya: does this help:
08:45<slytroya>Oh, thanks.
08:46<Ouro>boknoy: its probably pretty pointless though...
08:46<daenney>weasel: and all other IPv6 eanbled services I can acces without a problem
08:46<weasel>daenney: because it almost looks like you have firewalled yourself
08:46<boknoy>I might be able to pinpoint some hardware problems though.
08:46<weasel>daenney: what's your IP address?
08:47<daenney>weasel: which of them do you want?
08:47<weasel>daenney: are you multihomed?
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08:48<daenney>weasel: I've got a SixXS setup at home,. so I can give you my SixXS endpoint or an IP from my SixXS subnet
08:48<Ouro>slytroya: i think there should be more interfaces on the host machine... but like i said, i am not familiar with virtualbox
08:48<weasel>daenney: whatever you use as source address in your connections.
08:48<daenney>weasel: 2001:1af8:fe75::
08:49<weasel>daenney: you use that as your source address?
08:49<weasel>at least it pongs.
08:50<weasel>ping 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62::2 for me, please?
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08:50<daenney>weasel: works
08:50<slytroya>Ouro, I'm not familiar network at all. I need to study networks (to-do list). Thanks for the help. I'll read the documentation. ^^
08:51<weasel>daenney: (I have to run now, I'll be back in 10-15 minutes)
08:51<daenney>weasel: sure, I'm not going anywhere, just ping when you get back
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09:00<weasel>daenney: so,
09:00<weasel>daenney: 2001:1af8:fe75:: wasn't the IP address you used as source.
09:01<weasel>daenney: what other addresses does your host have?
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09:02<daenney>weasel: the only other possible IP would by my SixXS endpoint, 2001:1af8:fe00:12d::2
09:02<weasel>daenney: Give me a ping, Vasili. [One ping only, please.]
09:03<daenney>weasel: done
09:03<weasel>hah. it was exactly one too :)
09:03<weasel>14:03:09.111264 IP6 2001:1af8:fe00:12d::2 > 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2: ICMP6, echo request, seq 1, length 64
09:03<weasel>14:03:09.111295 IP6 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 > 2001:1af8:fe00:12d::2: ICMP6, echo reply, seq 1, length 64
09:03<weasel>now. do the traceroute with tcp again?
09:03<daenney>yup 12d::2 is my sixxs endpoint
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09:04<daenney>weasel: running now
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09:04<weasel>ok. I see your traffic.
09:04<weasel>and I do reply to it.
09:04<daenney>weasel: 6 2001:8d8:0:4::10 30.658 ms 2001:8d8:0:5::11 26.076 ms 2001:8d8:0:5::10 27.393 ms, is as far as I go
09:04<daenney>after that, it's just ***
09:05<weasel>daenney: (/set paste_join_multiline off)
09:05<daenney>weasel: sorry
09:05<weasel>daenney: what's your ipv6 (tunnel) interface?
09:05<weasel>14:04:36.997522 IP6 2001:1af8:fe00:12d::2.42156 > 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2.80: S 533812456:533812456(0) win 4880 <mss 1220,sackOK,timestamp 121802676 0,nop,wscale 6>
09:05<weasel>14:04:36.997534 IP6 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2.80 > 2001:1af8:fe00:12d::2.42156: S 4250994587:4250994587(0) ack 533812457 win 5712 <mss 1440,sackOK,timestamp 234435845 121801926,nop,wscale 7>
09:06<daenney>the iface is called, sixxs, it a tun-tap thing
09:06<weasel>tcpdump -pni sixxs host 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2
09:06<weasel>what do you see when you telnet 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 80
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09:07<weasel>you even see my replies!
09:08<weasel>did telnet ever say connection established? (it doesn't look like it from your dump)
09:08<daenney>2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 is the only one that seems to be working for me though, the other 2 IPv6 address in the Debian pool don't
09:08<daenney>nope, no Connection Established
09:08<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ telnet 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 80
09:08<weasel>Trying 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2...
09:08<weasel>Connected to 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2.
09:08<weasel>Escape character is '^]'.
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09:08<weasel>so nothing like that?
09:09<daenney>daenney@oracle:~$ telnet 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 80
09:09<daenney>Trying 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2...
09:09<daenney>and that's it
09:09<weasel>dpkg: next time I'll kick you.
09:09<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, weasel
09:09<weasel>daenney: show me your iptables.
09:09<weasel>daenney: ip6tables -vnL; iptables -vnL
09:10<daenney>weasel: gimme a sec, the output is quite big :P
09:10<weasel>then your firewall is broken, I can tell you that already :)
09:11<weasel>let's step back for a second here.
09:11<weasel>ip6table -I INPUT -s 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 -j ACCEPT
09:11<daenney>nah, vuurmuur jist creates a lot of rules
09:11<weasel>does the telnet now establish a connection?
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09:12<daenney>weasel: yes :O
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09:12<weasel>Tue 15:10:49 <weasel> then your firewall is broken, I can tell you that already :)
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09:13<daenney>weasel: << that's the ip6tables output right now
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09:14<weasel>(drop policies are always bad)
09:14<weasel>add a log rule at the end?
09:14<weasel>also, which of those rules is supposed to let return traffic work?
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09:15<daenney>hmm, none, as it would seem
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09:15<weasel>if you run a recent enough kernel try to allow state related/established
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09:17<daenney>should be able to do that
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09:23<mute>lol'd, 400?
09:24<mute>Nice, sorry
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09:31<daenney>weasel: thx a bunch, it's working now :)
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09:34<weasel>daenney: great
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09:54<dr|z3d>smuck: Try English. We're an English speaking channel. :)
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09:59<TheCheeze>faheem, got it all set now i think. i renamed ALL of my ufw files and reinstalled it. seemed to go ok
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10:00<aden>i have on
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10:07<faheem>TheCheeze: good to know
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10:09<sylock>hello here
10:10<sylock>someone know how can I know the FS type of a partition without mounting it?
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10:11<sylock>weasel : no. It tells me that this is a block file
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10:12<sylock>weasel : yeah, that command can't give me the file system type of a partition
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10:13<sylock>it can't tell me if it's ext3 or reiserfs
10:13<weasel>yes it can.
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10:14<themill>sylock: man file, look at the --special-files option.
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10:15<sylock>themill, weasel, thank you ;)
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10:24<faheem>TheCheeze: you might want to run a dpkg integrity check just to make sure everything is ok.
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10:25<TheCheeze>feel like ratling off the command real quick so i don't have to google? lol
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10:25<faheem>TheCheeze: i don't know what it is.
10:25<TheCheeze>kk, thanks :)
10:25<faheem>i think such a thing is possible, but it's been a long time since i did it, if ever
10:26<faheem>just a suggestion
10:27<elijahwright>dpkg-md5sum or something like that? i forget the commandname too.
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10:31<julian>buenos dias
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10:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:32<faheem>locklace: quick draw :-)
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10:36<boknoy>ok guys, I have a critical problem... where is Sid's kernel?
10:36<boknoy>2.6.31 isn't there. D:
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10:37<locklace>judd kernels --release sid
10:37<judd>locklace: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8)
10:37<locklace>.31 sucked too much
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10:37<boknoy>oh.. but linux-image-2.6-686 points to .31
10:38<Titan8990>sure thats not experimental?
10:38<Titan8990>judd, kernels
10:38<judd>Titan8990: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
10:38<boknoy>wait, let me check
10:38<Titan8990>yeah .31 is experimental according to judd
10:39<locklace>there is a .31 in sid for amd64
10:39<boknoy> says it's .31. I'm confused...
10:40<locklace>look at its depends
10:41<boknoy>yeah, "package not available"
10:41<boknoy>oh well, I'll use .30 instead, thanks for clearing that up. :)
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10:43<lotu>Hey I can't get X too work anymore can I get some help. I have a nvidia graphics card. I get an unable for find a valid framebuffer device error when I run startx
10:47<Titan8990>lotu, lets see /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:47<locklace>using the actual nvidia x driver rather than the framebuffer driver would be a good start
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10:51<macravin>lotu: are you there
10:52<lotu>yes I'm gettting files off my debina machine
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10:53<macravin>lotu: ok, you know how right...
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10:55<boknoy>erm... how do I install kdm only?
10:55<faheem>boknoy: apt-get install kdm?
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10:56<macravin>boknoy: you cant, kdm haa a lot of dependacies
10:56<boknoy>faheem, it brings up half of kde D:
10:56<Titan8990>lotu, uhh
10:56<Titan8990>lotu, where did you get that xorg.conf?
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10:56<boknoy>aww... too bad, I wanted to try if everything works first before I use the full kde
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10:57<macravin>boknoy: yah, it wouldn't wok without the full kde anyway, so thats your answer :) hehe
10:57<macravin>lotu: that xorg.conf makes no sense to me
10:57<macravin>lotu: you have like 30 screen drivers
10:58<boknoy>i have to say de integration nowadays is really tight
10:58<lotu>Titan8990: ohh I'm sorry that xorg.conf is wrong
10:58<Titan8990>macravin, yeah... its ati dual-head configuration and he said he has nvidia
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10:58<lotu>I don't know where I got it's not from my machine one sec
10:59<lotu>This is my real xorg.conf file:
10:59<lotu>I think that one was from a diffrent machine
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10:59<boknoy>dang, gdm brings half of gnome too.
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11:00<macravin>boknoy: what are you running if you dont have gdm OR kdm
11:01<ice2>boknoy, u might want to try to install gdm/kdm without their 'recomended' pkgs, sometimes it works
11:01<boknoy>the ugly xdm :D
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11:01<macravin>boknoy: lol, I was just about to reccomend that, seeing as it has no dependencies
11:02<boknoy>I'll settle with xdm for now, then install kdm when I know everything works. It'll remove it anyway when I get kdm.
11:03<macravin>boknoy: i'd recommend gdm, but obviously that's a personal opinion...
11:03<boknoy>macravin, looks like a waste since I'll be using the full KDE when my internet gets better, and when I know that everything underneath works.
11:04<macravin>lotu: is this what you get when you type vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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11:05<lotu>macravin: yes it is
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11:06<macravin>boknoy: true... kde is WAY nicer looking, the mouse and icons are so great that I use them on gnome, and even my secret Windows partition... That I erm dont have ;)
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11:07<boknoy>macravin, lol... btw, I forgot slim
11:07<macravin>lotu: is this autogenerated, or did you put this in yourself
11:07<boknoy>oh well, got to go, it's getting late. nice chatting with ya! :)
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11:08<lotu>I have edited some
11:08<macravin>lotu: did it work before you edited some
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11:09<macravin>lotu: like everything except one feature, right
11:09<lotu>I haven't edited it recentlly. It was working this morning, and then the system crashed and it nolonger worked
11:10<D1EG0>bye to all ;)
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11:11<macravin>lotu: oh, odd, so you have a terminal interface on this computer, right. And when you type gdm it says that the xserver has crashed...
11:11<macravin>lotu: because thats what happened to me a while ago...
11:11<lotu>it says gdm command not found
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11:12<macravin>wait do you run kde gnome or xdm
11:12<Titan8990>macravin, not everyone use a DM
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11:13<Titan8990>lotu, what kernel are you using?
11:13<Titan8990>lotu, sid?
11:13<macravin>Titan8990: I thought debian did...
11:13<Titan8990>macravin, debian uses whatever you want it to use
11:13<Titan8990>macravin, its linux
11:13<Titan8990>judd, kernels
11:13<judd>Titan8990: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
11:14<Titan8990>lotu, are you wanting to use nv drivers or the proprietary nvidia drivers?
11:14<Titan8990>macravin, i run xfce without a display manager
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11:14<Titan8990>in fact, none of my machines have a display manager
11:14<lotu>I'd like to use the nvidia drivers but at this point it's not a big deal as long as the two screens work
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11:15<macravin>Titan8990: so you mean you only use a terminal interface :-O
11:15<lotu>I'm not doing any 3d rendering
11:15<Titan8990>lotu, did you ever show us a correct xorg.conf?
11:15<Titan8990>macravin, no... i just type "startx" from the terminal interface instead of it starting automatically
11:15<lotu>yes it is at
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11:18<lotu>Titan8990 that's is what I've been doing on my machine actually
11:18<Titan8990>lotu, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak; nvidia-xconfig; startx
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11:20<lotu>Titan8990 pretty much the same thing it says it cant load module "nvidia" ( module dose not exist )
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11:21<Titan8990>lotu, m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source; startx
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11:21<lotu>$VERSION ?
11:22<Titan8990>lotu, if that doesn't work do: aptitude install nvidia-glx
11:22<Titan8990>lotu, just copy and paste the command
11:22<lotu>Titan8990 okay
11:22<macravin>lol how is he supposed to copy and paste
11:22<Titan8990>macravin, ssh
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11:23<lotu>Titan8990 it say Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!
11:23<Titan8990>any more info?
11:23<lotu>There is a file I can view
11:24<macravin>you could always just try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg in the mean time to get the screen working...
11:24<Titan8990>macravin, not anymore, no you can't
11:25<macravin>?, that worked for me when my xserver broke
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11:25<Titan8990>macravin, he is on squeeze
11:25<macravin>so am I
11:25<Titan8990>sec, let me figure out the bot command
11:26<lotu>macravin, I actually tried that but it didn't work
11:26<Titan8990>xorg config squeeze
11:26<Titan8990>!xorg config squeeze
11:26<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>.
11:27<Titan8990>macravin, so in your case having no xorg.conf should have been the same as generating a template
11:27<macravin>dpkg: are you like a bot...
11:27<dpkg>macravin: bugger all, i dunno
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11:27<Titan8990>because of the introduction of HAL in xserver 1.5
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11:28<lotu>okay I'll run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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11:28<macravin>Titan8990: yah, but I did want custom mouse and screen drivers so I could use desktop effects and two finger scrolling
11:28<macravin>so It was a goog starting point
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11:28<Titan8990>macravin, xorg.conf will depricated for that soon
11:28<Titan8990>you should use the HAL fdi files
11:29<Titan8990>which will also be depricated soon for w/e that new scheme they worked up and implemented on the new fedora and ubuntu
11:29<Titan8990>lotu, honestly don't know
11:30<macravin>I don't like that "new scheme implemented of the new fedora and ubuntu"
11:30<macravin>I didn't notice any faster boot times
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11:31<lotu>Hey I got something a screen up and working
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11:32<macravin>@lotu great, what worked
11:32<lotu>but it only worked for the root user
11:33<macravin>you mean you have to login as root... if theres no dm then is there a login screen
11:33<macravin>or do you login using the terminal
11:33<lotu>I login on the terminal as root and run startx :)
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11:34<lotu>it only gets one monitor working but it is a start
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11:38<SARC>What is the upper limit of open file descriptors that I can set to as the max? Is it 65535 or unlimited?
11:39<SARC>I think the default is 8192
11:39<weasel>if you try real hard, maybe you can pack even more weird assumption and guesses into your questions
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11:40<the-dude>SARC: check /proc/sys/fs
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11:42<SARC>the-dude: file-max?
11:43<macravin>SARC: it's usually better to look up random questions like this online, seeing as no one could ever know the answer off the top of their head
11:43<the-dude>SARC: yes
11:43<SARC>the-dude: is that parameter tunable or fixed?
11:43<the-dude>SARC: tunable in /etc/sysctl.conf
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11:44<the-dude>SARC: fs.file-max = $
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11:45<weasel>it's likely the max file thing is already way more than he'll ever need.
11:45<SARC>weasel: don't ass-u-me
11:46<the-dude>I had to raise it on some RH machines which holded a few debian mirrors
11:46<SARC>the-dude: I wanted to tune it to 131058
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11:47<weasel>what is it now?
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11:47<macravin>SARC: there's a limit to how many files you can have in debian
11:47<SARC>but i dont thikn thats right
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11:47<weasel>so you want to lower it for no reason?
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11:48<weasel>what makes you think it's not right?
11:48<SARC>because i read somewhere that the default was 8192
11:48<weasel>that site would have been writing crap.
11:48<weasel>also, your question is bad.
11:48<SARC><macravin> SARC: it's usually better to look up random questions like this online, seeing as no one could ever know the answer off the top of their head
11:48<SARC>which is what i did
11:48<weasel>there is a difference between the system-wide limit and a per-process limit.
11:48<weasel>(neither of which default to 8k)
11:49<SARC>well, ok... so /proc/sys/fs/file-max is system-wide?
11:49<macravin>Its a bad Idea to lower it, mabie raise it, but lower...
11:50<SARC>if that one is system-wide, then where do i find the per-process limit?
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11:50<weasel>ulimit -n.
11:51<SARC>and i can tune that with ulimit?
11:51<weasel>for your current process, the shell.
11:51<weasel>processes it starts will inherit that limit.
11:52<weasel>(unless they mess with it themselves)
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11:54<SARC>ok... in my application I am tweaking with setrlimit (resource limits)... does this change the fd_limits for my app or for the system-wide limit?
11:54<SARC>the man page was a little vague
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11:59<weasel>ulimit =~= rlimit.
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12:04<fgh>there is a program in ubuntu named usb-creator-gtk, is there such one in debian?
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12:07<dr|z3d>fgh: apt-cache search <query>
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12:08<Xenguy>fgh: or see
12:08<SARC>ulimit != rlimit ?
12:08<macravin>fgh: just search synaptic
12:11<fgh>i find nothing (and thats why im asking here)
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12:13<SARC>is my research correct that there is no setulimit() like there is setrlimit()? ?
12:14<Xenguy>usb-creator-gtk = This is a simple utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from Ubuntu CDs.
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12:15<macravin>it works with all bootable cds though
12:16<macravin>I prefer UNetbootin
12:16<macravin>lol jynx
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12:18<fgh>Xenguy: what debian version do you run?
12:18<fgh>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "usb-creator-gtk"
12:18<macravin>its ubuntu only (i think)
12:18<Xenguy>fgh: stable/lenny
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12:19<davi>Is there libssh version 1 for Debian Lenny?
12:19<macravin>you mean an old version?
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12:20<davi>macravin, Yes version libssh 0.11
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12:20<davi>A tar ball would be OK to me too
12:21<Xenguy>fgh: I think it is Ubu only too
12:21<davi>It is to compile a testing tool to check ssh server security
12:21<davi>I hope that being compiled with libssh 0.11 will be able to connect to the Debian Lenny sshd server
12:22<macravin>well, try their website, you should be able to find any version of libssh you want
12:22<macravin>if you dont mind building it yourself
12:23<Titan8990>judd, versions libssh
12:23<judd>Titan8990: libssh --
12:23<Titan8990>judd, versions libssh-2
12:23<judd>Titan8990: libssh-2 -- lenny: 0.2+svn20070321-4 squeeze: 0.2+svn20070321-4
12:23<Titan8990>judd, versions libssh-2-1
12:23<judd>Titan8990: libssh-2-1 --
12:23<Titan8990>judd, versions libssh2-1
12:23<judd>Titan8990: libssh2-1 -- lenny: 0.18-1 sid: 1.2.1-1 squeeze: 1.2.1-1
12:24<Titan8990>davi, good luck with that
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12:26<davi>Titan8990, at
12:26<macravin>the website is too new, there's an old version on macports... if only i could make an angry smiley face
12:26<davi>only the Git master branch is shown
12:26<davi>not the old versions
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12:27<davi>I do not manage to get an old archive of libssh version 0.11
12:27<Titan8990>davi, are you doing some kind of security testing? do you have another server that actually has that version or something?
12:27<davi>or any other old version
12:27<davi>Yes, I am doing a security testing
12:28<davi>Thanks a lot macravin
12:28<macravin>your welcome
12:29<Titan8990>davi, so you have a server running libssh version .11 and you want to install it on another server so you can test if it is vulnerable to something?
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12:41<davi>no Titan8990. I am using and old testing tool
12:41<Titan8990>are you sure its results are even valid anymore?
12:42<Titan8990>if its been dropped from back track and pentoo for example, it probably isn't worth a crap today
12:42<Titan8990>security changes so much....
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12:55<icebrain>is there any page/log about kms is debian? I want to be able to restart an hosed xorg without rebooting :|
12:55<icebrain>*in debian
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12:58<macravin>kms... I suppose it has something to do with kde...
12:58<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent.
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13:01<macravin>Sorry, i'm way to stupid to help you out ^___^
13:01<davi>I must try Titan8990
13:02<macravin>davi: what Titan was saying, is that hackers are way more clever now (they have more stuff to use) he doesn't think that an old app can test the security of a server
13:03<davi>It is a basic tool
13:03<davi>More test must be done too, of course
13:04<macravin>k good, I think that he was assuming that this was your only test
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13:07<staaleu>If my load is going up, but cpu utilization is still very low (below 10%), how can I find which processes are causing the higher load?
13:08<macravin>I think there is an applett for that
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13:08<macravin>Theres one in kde at least
13:09<petemc>staaleu: top, look for processes in D state
13:10<macravin>the applets only in kde
13:11<staaleu>petemc, ok, I will try that
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13:11<macravin>im sure theres a terminal command
13:11<staaleu>My load sometimes go really high, and I struggle to play videos across samba then. But so far I havent found any cause. Maybe I can now by looking at the list next time things go bad
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13:17<staaleu>petemc, md1_raid5 and kjournald seems like they might be the cause
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13:40<bremner>I know it is obscure, but does anyone know how to make cutting text from evince or kpdf or equivalent _not_ convert underscores into spaces?
13:41<iccy_>thats probably specific to the pdf
13:42<bremner>I have pdfs generated by pdftex. I wonder if I can change the way it renders _
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13:42<iccy_>pdfs can contain all kinds of stuff, but typically the graphical page has a text copy behind it, and its copying that text, and i would guess that the text copy has spaces instead of underscores
13:44<reeher>Quick question folks. I'm currently working on building an high availability system for our servers, and most of the docs I see are several years old. Am I missing something, or is the 'high availibility' scene gotten so good and stable that development is static?
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13:46<dkr>well, you have precluded several other options, but the latter is closer to the truth I suspect
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13:47<locklace>reeher: in your experience, is that usually what lack of documentation signifies in the linux world?
13:47<reeher>dkr: Beaut, thanks much. I'd figured as much also, because I couldn't see something like that not being actively pursued if it was not pretty robust. Thanks again. I"ll continue looking, but I just wnated to make sure I wasn't crazy.
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13:49<reeher>mst locklate: not necessarily. If it is uber-geeky or technical, then generally it means it's a 'been there, done that, it's all good' situation. If it does not have a high geek-quotient, then it may be that it was just abandoned. About what are you speaking specifically in this case?
13:49<valdyn>reeher: or maybe you are looking at the wrong places
13:49<valdyn>reeher: my first google hits have a much newer modification date
13:50<valdyn>reeher: ( )
13:51<reeher>valdyn: yep, am on that page right now. I'm not saying it is not current, but that there does not seem to be a 'hum of activity' that generally accompanies an active project. That's all.
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13:52<reeher>valdyn: for instance, the last notable update to linux-ha according to their page is a year ago. (bottom of the page)
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13:53<reeher>valdyn: but again, I'm not suggesting that as a bad thing, just a curiosity to me. No big deal at all. If it is at a 'JFW' state, then beautiful.
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13:54<And1>How can I convert an .avi file so I can burn it as Video DVD?
13:55<reeher>And1: vlc does that I think, something in the streaming output..
13:55<And1>I'm using k3b on lenny stable an I can select burn Video DVD, but I need those two directories AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS.
13:56<ethoxyethaan>To be very honest the VLC version in Lenny is Crap.
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13:57<ethoxyethaan>I can't get anything to work in it so i compiled most vlc dependencies from latest versions then used latest git version.
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13:57<user_kjd>can i get help with a networking prob here?
13:58<user_kjd>setting up dhcp on an ethernet interface and configuring dhcpd.conf
13:58<chealer>hi. how much more trouble is it to install Debian and Windows in this order instead of the opposite?
13:59<ethoxyethaan>not hard chealer, however windows will override your grub loader.
13:59<user_kjd>...but you can always reinstall GRUB
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13:59<ethoxyethaan>you will need a linux live cd to re-install the grubloader and re-configure it
14:00<icebrain>or you use grubinstall.exe
14:01<ethoxyethaan>i never heard of that one before icebrain.
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14:02<icebrain>I used it two years ago or so
14:02<icebrain>don't know how if it's maintained
14:02<ethoxyethaan>problem is that geocity website is no longer available :D
14:02<ethoxyethaan>" GeoCities has closed, but there's a lot more to explore on Yahoo!"
14:03<locklace>a lot more fail
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14:13<dpkg><Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d
14:14<jthomas_sb>Is anyone familiar with MondoRescue? it creates a bare-metal restore disk(s) of a Linux system. I am trying it now on a AMD64 Debian Stable and I am getting permission errors with the /sys/ directory. Is this directory's contents recreated at bootup like the /proc/ directory is?
14:15<dpkg>cd /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation; grep -r sysfs *
14:16<jthomas_sb>-bash: cd: /usr/src/linux-2.6.26-2-amd64/Documentation: No such file or directory
14:17<jthomas_sb>per it is a virtual file system, so I am going to let the MondoArchive app run its course and see what results.
14:17<kenyon>!info linux-doc-2.6.26
14:17<jthomas_sb>kenyon nothing happened
14:18<kenyon>does not exist, says dpkg... anyway, you can install one of the linux-doc packages
14:18<locklace>dpkg: no, sysfs is a virtual filesystem that exports kernel data structures and attributes; see
14:18<dpkg>locklace: okay
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14:32<And1>How do I flip a .avi video 90 degrees clockwise?
14:33<jthomas_sb>an app like KDEnlive may do that; from the command line I a mnot sure
14:33<And1>A gnome-app would be nice. :-x
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14:33<reeher>And1: turn the monitor vertial. <grin> SOrry, couldn't resist.
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14:34<And1>reeher: Would be possible with mine, but not with the TV. ;)
14:34<themill>xrandr --rotate ....
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14:35<And1>themill: I want to burn the file to a dvd, so just fliping the output doesn't make that much sense. :/
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14:35<themill>yeah, I know that :)
14:35<reeher>Anne comes, Anne goes.. I feel like I'm in a revolving door.. Ok, enough with the lame attempts at amusement. /me is done.
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14:35<jthomas_sb>i just tried KDEnlive, yes it does. GNOME apps, i don't use any to really know, sorry. AVIdemux may do it.
14:36<jthomas_sb>And1 ^
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14:36<And1>jthomas_sb: K, thanks, I'll try that. :)
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14:37<icebrain>And1: maybe if you want CLI
14:37<themill>And1: mencoder should also be able to do it. /msg dpkg mencoder
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14:38<themill>for "should", read "can, according to its man page but I've not done it myself"
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14:40<crowd>How do i remove a deamon from the startup scripts (one which is in rc3.d) ?
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14:42<crowd>anyone ?
14:42<jthomas_sb>rm /etc/rc3.d/whatever
14:43<jthomas_sb>they should only be links to what is really inside /etc/init.d/
14:43<jthomas_sb>so if you remove the link, it won't happen
14:44<crowd>jthomas_sb: Ye I know that but i thought there will be some command to remove them all from all rcX.d directory all together and not one by one
14:44<themill>it will probably reappear on next upgrade of that package though. Better to rename it to "KxxFoo instead"
14:44<dpkg>i heard rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these and and ask me about <services>
14:44<jthomas_sb>actually, the 'proper' way to do it would be to: 1. Find the Sxxdaemon where 'xx' is a number; 2. Subtract that number from 100, so if it is /etc/rc2.d/S80network, xx would be 80, so 100-80 = 20 ; 3. move the S80network to K20network with 'mv /etc/rc2.d/S80network /etc/rc2.d/K20network '
14:45<jthomas_sb>note that the S and K are both capital letters.
14:45<themill>crowd: many daemons have an "enabled=1" or similar in /etc/default/daemonname
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14:46<crowd>themill: Not this one :(
14:46<themill>crowd: which one?
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14:47<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
14:47<crowd>jthomas_sb: So i need to do so in every rcX.d directory ?
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14:48<jthomas_sb>not really sure; how often do you go into those runlevels? rc2.d only starts when entering runlevel 2, for example.
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14:48<themill>crowd: when you've got a chance, you could request that the maintainer give you this option -- report a wishlist bug against the vsftpd package using the "reportbug" utility.
14:48<crowd> I dont know ... how do i choose which runlevel i am entering to ?
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14:50<jthomas_sb>a normal boot will put you in runlevel 2; single user mode into runlevel 1. The rest are for system maintenance and some other stuff, or for specially-configured systems which may need certain things running only sometimes. as root run 'runlevel' to see where you are now. runlevel 0 is halt, 6 is reboot (i believe)
14:50<crowd>themill: thanks for the links it worked grait
14:50<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead., or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>.
14:51<crowd>thanks guys
14:51<jthomas_sb>no worry.
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14:51<jthomas_sb>i don't know why that ^^ says runlevel 2-5 are non-graphical; my Sid setup is runlevel 2 with KDE running fine
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14:52<locklace>it doesn't say that
14:52<jthomas_sb>is there any way to sort 'top' by parent/child processes, or do i need something more flexible like htop ?
14:53<jthomas_sb>locklace it says, "By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are ...non-graphic runlevels "
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14:54<locklace>you fail at reading comprehension
14:54<themill>jthomas_sb: it doesn't say that. put the contents of the ... back in and read carefully
14:54<jthomas_sb> By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels),
14:54<jthomas_sb>looks about the same to me :)
14:55<locklace>pretend there's a "there are" in front of "no"
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14:56<jthomas_sb>yes, i do fail at comprehension. it could be more clear tho. "By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no separation of graphic/non-graphic runlevels) "
14:56<jthomas_sb>i get it now
14:56<locklace>!congratulate jthomas_sb
14:56<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jthomas_sb, you did it!
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14:57<themill>jthomas_sb: factoids could always be longer and clearer. The line-length limit on IRC is usually an issue, however.
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14:58<themill>(and at 440 characters, it's probably pretty much at the limit)
14:58*jthomas_sb figures some coffee might help... ooh Folgers, this workplace is so generous!
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15:23<aaron>is there any opensource testplan software for electronic design?
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15:24<themill>aaron: "testplan"?
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15:24<aaron>I work for a company that designs PCB boards and they are looking for an opensource solution to organise testplans on there systems
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15:26<kop>aaron: You could try, or search with apt (aptitude/synaptic/etc.)
15:26<themill>aaron: normally people looking for pcb-related software want to have a look at geda, ktechlab and qucs, but I think you're looking for something else -- this is just generic document management isn't it?
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15:36<CkhiKuzad>woot, i joined the server and channel i wanted to
15:36<locklace>!congratulate CkhiKuzad
15:36<dpkg>Woohoo CkhiKuzad, you did it!
15:36<CkhiKuzad>:D yes i did
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15:37<faheem>i wonder who puts all this stuff into the bot
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15:37<faheem>someone with way too much free time on their hands
15:37<CkhiKuzad>but anyway, i need some help installing fonts, i'm trying to install the Tunga font, but i cant find any way to on google, and doing 'sudo apt-get install tunga-font' doesnt work
15:37<faheem>CkhiKuzad: say what goes wrong
15:37<CkhiKuzad>!what goes wrong
15:38<CkhiKuzad>what goes wrong
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15:38<CkhiKuzad>sweet! >:D random kick device
15:38<locklace>!doesn't work
15:38<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
15:38<themill>I suspect it's not really hard to work out what's wrong with that apt-get command.... you don't need to ask in what way it didn't work.
15:39<CkhiKuzad>ah damn it i forgot i have aptitude, i shall aptitude search tunga
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15:39<CkhiKuzad>and i got no results
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15:40<kmap>CkhiKuzad: Is it an Indian font (Kannada)?
15:40<themill>CkhiKuzad: I'd be surprised if it was anywhere in debian at all. If you can download the font files yourself, "/msg dpkg install font" to find out how to install it
15:40<themill>judd info ttf-kannada-fonts
15:40<judd>themill: ttf-kannada-fonts (x11): is optional; Version: 1:0.5.4; Size: 500.6k; Installed: 1188k -- Free TrueType fonts for the Kannada language
15:41<kmap>themill: Can you point me to a comprehensive judd help, or is it also interactive documentation?
15:41<CkhiKuzad>i think its indian, one of my friends wants to send me some stupid emoticon, but its pissing me off that it appears as [0ca0]_[0ca0]
15:41<kmap>!tell CkhiKuzad about install font
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15:41<themill>kmap: judd documentation is umm... on the TODO list.... "/msg dpkg judd" is as good as it gets atm.
15:41<kmap>themill: Thanks for that.
15:42<CkhiKuzad>thanks themill
15:42<CkhiKuzad>it worked
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15:42<CkhiKuzad>kannada was what i was looking for
15:42<CkhiKuzad>time to /join offtopic room
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15:44<faheem>kmap: how did you guess that?
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15:46<themill>faheem: first hit in google for "tunga font"
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15:47<kmap>faheem: JFGI
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15:53<x-ip>can someone help me with a source based routing ? i readed , and but cant get it working :\
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15:59<spacepluk>hi, I'm trying a safe-update but preconfiguration of console-setup never ends. Any idea?
15:59<kop>x-ip: Most routers won't source based route.
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16:00<x-ip>kop, this is a linux server ... it should do it
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16:02<locklace>!debugs 536683
16:02<locklace>!dbugs 536683
16:02<dpkg>#536683:S[console-setup] console-setup: Installation/upgrade freezes when non-standard XKBLAYOUT used (); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:24:14 UTC []
16:02<kop>x-ip: You probably need to turn it on, along with forwarding. It's generally considered a mis-feature and a security risk. (And if it's a 'server' not a router than it does not matter because the linux box is not doing the routing.
16:02<locklace>spacepluk: maybe relevant
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16:04<x-ip>kop, well, to explain better the situation ... it's a server running openvz and a vps inside. Here are the ifconfig from the Host System and the routes and rules VPS IFACES are the network config from the vps.
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16:05<x-ip>When i try to connect to being inside the vps, i can't. So i guess using source based routing in the Host System, i could route all packets from go throw and no the default route
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16:06<x-ip> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward has 1 as value so forwarding is activated
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16:13<spacepluk>thanks locklace, the workaround worked :)
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16:16<sdsdsd>hello guys, i am having some trouble with a friend's pendrive. Its a Kingston 8GB, and it started to crash. i want to do a "scandisk" on it, but i dont know the similar aplication on Debian
16:17<sdsdsd>obs.: My friend wants it on FAT because he wants to work with both windows and Linux
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16:18<spacepluk>sdsdsd: I think you can use fsck
16:18<sdsdsd>fsck ?
16:18<Titan8990>sdsdsd, aptitude install dosfstools
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16:18<sdsdsd>Titan, i already have it
16:19<Titan8990>sdsdsd, fsck.vfat /dev/sdxx
16:19<sdsdsd>there are any GUI for fsck?
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16:19<Titan8990>sdsdsd, no... why would you need one?
16:20<Titan8990>atleast not that *I* know of
16:20<sdsdsd>to make it easyer
16:20*Titan8990 doesn't understand how it could possibly be easier than that
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16:23<sdsdsd>i formated the pendrive with FAT32 (8GB), its right?
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16:25<supaman>sdsdsd: might check out, havn't tried it, don't know if it supports fsck, but you could find out
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16:51*locklace waits for the defectors
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16:55<faheem>they'll probably all just come here asking for help with karmic
16:55<jthomas_sb>locklace i fear that there won't be many if Debian cannot get some sort of remastering app, since a 'stable' release of Debian is too far apart for some people, and installing a net install setup and changing repos and upgrading is over a lot of peoples' heads...
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16:55<dr|z3d>TheRegister.. hardly a bastion of truth.
16:56<locklace>when they say karmic sucks, i believe them
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16:56<faheem>dr|z3d: well, ubuntu doesn't have great quality control, from what i hear
16:57<jthomas_sb>for the 3-release-span that I used Kubuntu, it never once upgraded smoothly for me, even when the GNOME people worked fine.
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16:58<faheem>debian, on the other hand, has pretty damn good quality controls, even if the release managers have to retire to an insane asylum after a few releases...
16:59<jthomas_sb>really, a easy-to-remasted Testing would be so much better than any Ubuntu release, i would imagine
17:00<faheem>jthomas_sb: amen to that
17:00<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
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17:00<jthomas_sb>dpkg you bot, i am a MAN
17:00<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
17:00<jthomas_sb>i know
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17:01<jthomas_sb>or at least a man-boy
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17:06<Bsims>I have been affected by bug #514464 in console-setup, could it also affect the numlock light as well
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17:24<lancelot_of>hi all
17:25<lancelot_of>why for the first time my bash completion does not work on space separated subdir names?
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17:27<valdyn>lancelot_of: check the bts
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17:30<lancelot_of>valdyn, is it a known bug or a new one?
17:30<valdyn>lancelot_of: known bug
17:30<lancelot_of>valdyn, how to check?
17:30<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
17:33<lancelot_of>valdyn, thanks, bye
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17:45<bighornram>I'm getting GPG_IS_OK (gerr) failed error with seahorse. Anyone know how to fix this?
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18:31<Phoenix_the_II>I've just upgraded to 2.6.31 and iptables 1.4.4
18:31<Phoenix_the_II>and before i used -J MARK --set-mark to mark connections
18:32<Phoenix_the_II>and pick them up in ip rule's
18:32<Phoenix_the_II>iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -s -d -j MARK --set-mark 0x1
18:32<Phoenix_the_II>32761: from all fwmark 0x1 lookup table1
18:32<Phoenix_the_II>but that doesn't seem to work anymore ;(
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19:16<macravin>does anyone know of a linux app to scan a hard-rive for deleted files... I know there are various ones for mac and windows...
19:17<abrotman>judd: info ext3grep --release lenny
19:17<judd>abrotman: ext3grep (admin): is extra; Version: 0.8.0-1; Size: 115.2k; Installed: 300k -- Tool to help recover deleted files on ext3 filesystems
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19:17<dr|z3d>macravin: apt-cache search undelete
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19:17<dr|z3d>For future reference.
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19:23<macravin>im trying to make a rescue disk, a really good one. I just thought that if there was such a tool, that it should have it
19:24<abrotman>there are plenty of disks like that already
19:24<macravin>I kno... like parted magic
19:24<abrotman>not what i mean
19:24<macravin>but I want to create MY disk, that I know all about and made
19:26<macravin>it's like a psychological thing
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19:40<icebrain>macravin: make your own distro, based on knoppix or so
19:40<icebrain>macravin: it's not that hard, and there are guides everywhere
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19:42<macravin>icebrain: thats exactly what I want to do... do you think I would be allowed to call it just "Linux"
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19:42<macravin>It just seems time consuming
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19:44<icebrain>macravin: so you want to build your own recue disk instead of using any of the existing ones, but you don't want to spend much time doing it? well, good luck with that :)
19:45<abrotman>this is a channel to support Debian
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19:46<macravin>but what happens when no one needs support
19:46<abrotman>the channel is still for Deiban support .. not whatever people feel like
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19:47<mic>who #debian
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19:49<macravin>abrotman: true, that's what debian-offtopic is for, but you aren't talking about support... because there is no one to support at the moment
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19:49<abrotman>macravin: so what? that doesn't change that you're still offtopic here ..
19:50<abrotman>why do people argue about this ...
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20:03<user2435>if one of my computers is connected to the net. can i use an extra nic to allow another computer to connect to the net through the first one?
20:03<macravin>yes you can! If both have wifi cards
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20:04<macravin>or if you have 2 Ethernet cables...
20:04<user2435>the two computers are hardwired to each other.
20:04<user2435>* connected with ethernet cable
20:05<user2435>ONE is on my schools wireless network
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20:06<macravin>I've never had any need to do that so... I don't know
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20:07<sway_>is it possible to set up virtual interfaces in /etc/interfaces like: auto lan eth0:0 dhcp ?
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20:08<abrotman>sway_: yes /etc/network/interfaces
20:09<sway_>abrotman: thank you
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20:13<user2435>i've got this working to the poing where the box acting as a router can access the net and is also on a subnet with another machine and they see each other. then i create a bridge and add both interfaces to the bridge. then i bring the bridge up. not sure where to go from there. the tuts i've found are not helping
20:13<user2435>at this poing i can still communicate with the net and both computers can still see each other.
20:14<user2435>BUT the second computer cannot communicate with the outside
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20:14<user2435>or could someone recommend a networking chan somewhere?
20:15<abrotman>there is a #networking on freenode ?
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20:17<sway_>user2435: is there a route for the subnet to access the internet?
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20:18<user2435>sway_: i don't think so
20:18<sway_>user2435: the route command is pretty easy
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20:19<user2435>yeah. but which machine do i create a route on?
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20:22<sway_>user2435: try the one with the access to the internet
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20:25<user2435>sway_: nothing. so something like "route all traffic from eth0 to outside"?
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20:26<sway_>user2435: you'd use the subnet's address with 0's for the parts that change.
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20:27<sway_>user2435: man route
20:30<sway_>there are examples at the end of that man page to give you an idea as to the wording
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20:57<bighornram>anyone getting the 'GPG_IS_OK (gerr)' failed error when trying to encrypt a file?
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20:59<kaiyin>I want to pipe the output of "ls /some/path/*.tar" to "tar -xf", but "ls /some/path/*.tar | tar -xf" won't work, why?
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21:00<sway_>kaiyin: if you're using ls, does that mean you're in the directory you want to tar?
21:00<kaiyin>sway_, yes
21:00<abrotman>you probably want to use something like `for i in $(ls /some/path/*.tar); do tar -xf $i ; done'
21:01<sway_>can directories be tar'd recursively?
21:02<abrotman>he's extracting .. not creating
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21:04<kaiyin>abrotman, should I include the quotes or not?
21:05<majhool>wouldn't it be better to to $(for i in /some/path/*.tar; do...
21:05<majhool>to do, rather
21:06<kaiyin>abrotman, it won't do the trick.
21:06<kaiyin>some error messages show up.
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21:07<abrotman>oh .. you probably need to go to that directory first or get the full path to the $i
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21:08<abrotman>oh .. no, it should work
21:08<majhool>quote the $i
21:08<abrotman>if there are spaces in the filenames, yesquote it
21:08<kaiyin>see the error message there.
21:08<abrotman>you can't untar on a CD ?
21:09<kaiyin>Oh, so that's the problem.
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21:09<abrotman>it's a problem .. there may be more
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21:10<majhool>kaiyin: do you have write access to /usr/share/stardict/dic
21:10<kenyon>you're in /usr/share/stardict/dic as a normal user. do you have permission to write there?
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21:22<cockroach>hey. i'm getting "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!" and "E: Sub-process rred received a segmentation fault." on apt-get update. any idea?
21:23<Hideo>cockroach: haha, me too, this is the first time apt-get ever segfaulted on me in 10 years
21:23<faheem>cockroach: unstable?
21:23<kop>cockroach: No idea. When strange things happen I always look to see if the disk is full or something.
21:23<abrotman>does aptitude work ?
21:23<Hideo>faheem: yep, sid
21:23<cockroach>faheem: i first had the one from testing, now from unstable
21:24<cockroach>kop: did that, not full
21:24<faheem>which version?
21:24<abrotman>does apttiude work ?
21:24<cockroach>abrotman: no
21:24<faheem>problem with the apt library then
21:24<abrotman>does cupt work ?
21:24<abrotman>faheem: or a dependency
21:25<cockroach>cupt? never heard of that. let me check
21:25<abrotman>you'd have to have it installed i suppose
21:25<faheem>abrotman: sounds like an apt method problem
21:25<cockroach>abrotman: no, install works just fine...
21:26<abrotman>so rred doesn't depend on anything ?
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21:26<faheem>if you are going to file a bug, make sure it hasn't been reported first
21:26<faheem>abrotman: dunno
21:27<faheem>cockroach: what did you do to see this problem?
21:27<cockroach>faheem: do? i typed "apt-get update"...
21:27<faheem>yes, apt isn
21:27<faheem>cockroach: :-)
21:27<cockroach>abrotman: it *seems* cupt works (i do get a lot of 404s though)
21:27<faheem>yes, apt isn't supposed to segfault
21:28<cockroach>heh, probably not :)
21:28<faheem>cockroach: what traceback do you get with gdb?
21:28<faheem>tch, there isn't a debug version of apt
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21:29<faheem>well, you could compile it with a debugging flag easily enough
21:29<abrotman>cockroach: well .. at least you have a method to get an update i suppose
21:29<cockroach>abrotman: true
21:29<faheem>i'm guessing this is 0.7.24
21:30<Oiric>While using GNOME on Debian, is it possible to hide desktop icons?
21:32<abrotman>Oiric: you can stop using nautilus
21:32<Oiric>abrotman: i could, but i wont as i kinda like it
21:32<abrotman>Oiric: that's what is drawing the icons on the desktop
21:32<cockroach>oh, this is interesting: i had a defunct ipv6 address (tunnel broker down) - after removing the v6 addresses from the interface apt no longer segfaults.
21:32<Oiric>and i'm very new to Linux at all and nautilus is working pretty good for me
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21:33<Oiric>abrotman: Ah, i see
21:33<Hideo>hmm I get division by zero errors with cupt
21:33<faheem>cockroach: far out
21:34<faheem>suggest filing a bug report
21:34<faheem>this sounds like something worth reporting
21:34<cockroach>faheem: yes, i'll try reproducing the problem first :)
21:34<faheem>cockroach: agreed :-)
21:35<faheem>i've never see apt segfault. that would be quite something...
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21:37<Hideo>cockroach: heh, this is interesting, I kept retrying apt-get update ; and it now worked
21:37<cockroach>Hideo: interesting. then maybe the ipv6 part was just a coincidence
21:37<Hideo>it would segfault with the same rred error most of the time, but one time out of 20 it would work
21:38<Hideo>cockroach: I disabled ipv6 on mine
21:38<faheem>getting a traceback from gdb would be informative
21:38<Hideo>so it's probably not ipv6 problem
21:38<faheem>you'll have to compile apt with debugging symbols first, though
21:39<abrotman>strace even ?
21:39<faheem>abrotman: good point
21:39<abrotman>or ltrace
21:40*Hideo is puzzled, I hadn't done anything at all except for installing cupt, but apt-get update now works just as normal
21:40<faheem>but strace is kinda noisy, isn't it?
21:40<abrotman>yes it is ...
21:40<cockroach>Hideo: maybe cupt did some magic trick?
21:40<Hideo>cockroach: I did run cupt update
21:40<cockroach>so did i
21:41<Hideo>well try apt-get update again
21:42<Hideo>yeah, if aptitude works apt-get would work or vice versa
21:42<faheem>not that puzzling
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21:42<faheem>cupt must have downloaded all the stuff
21:43<faheem>there is now nothing for apt to do
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21:43<faheem>try deleting the downloaded server info
21:43<faheem>and see if apt fails again
21:43<Hideo>ok, so something on the mirrors must have fudged with apt
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21:43<noyon>hello world
21:43<faheem>rred is used when bits are downloaded from the server, isn't it?
21:43<faheem>Hideo: well, it is probably not calling rred
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21:45<cockroach>faheem: still not happening.
21:45<sway_>does anyone own debian?
21:45<manseel>Hello, how can i configure apt-get to install from a folder full of .deb files?
21:45<faheem>cockroach: you removed the files from /var/cache/apt?
21:45<cockroach>faheem: no, /var/lib/apt/lists
21:46<faheem>i don't believe this - i just got - E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!
21:46<faheem>this is on lenny
21:46<faheem>i think this is a mirror issue
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21:47<Hideo>either way, apt shouldn't have failed so badly
21:47<faheem>Hideo: agreed. it didn't segfault though.
21:47<faheem>cockroach: what mirror are you using?
21:47<faheem>we probably all have in common
21:48<cockroach>faheem: in general
21:48<faheem>my main mirror is the MIT AI lab
21:48<cockroach>but yes, security is in there
21:48<faheem>cockroach: hmm.
21:48<cockroach>and :)
21:48<Hideo>ah I have that too
21:48<Hideo>and dm
21:48<cockroach>i should clean that up at some point i guess :)
21:49<Hideo>do either one of you guys have dm?
21:49<faheem>does someone want to report this? I don't know what to make of it. if it is a mirror issue, i guess this will get fixed soon
21:49<faheem>Hideo: what is dm?
21:49<cockroach>Hideo: no
21:49<faheem>Hideo: yes
21:49<Hideo>yes, that, thx abrotman =)
21:49<faheem>for lenny
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21:50<faheem>anyone else seeing this?
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21:50<manseel>hey, i have one laptop which conatins lots of .deb files in a folder. i want my desktop to use it as mirror in LAN for apt-get . how can i do this??
21:51<faheem>my guess is this is caused by a malformed pdiff
21:51<kaiyin>su first won't improve the situation. majhool, kenyon.
21:51<kaiyin>I must get off for a moment.
21:51<faheem>see (last message) for the closest thing i could find for a description of rred
21:52<faheem>and it dies when getting this pdiff: squeeze/main 2009-11-04-0016.39.pdiff
21:52<faheem>hmm, should i report this? opinions?
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21:52<faheem>maybe we should submit a joint bug report :-)
21:53<Hideo>faheem: ooh, I rechecked, it did segfault after unstable/main 2009-11-04-0016.39.pdiff too
21:53<abrotman>manseel: in which folder ?
21:54<faheem>Hideo: yes, something wrong with that pdiff is my guess
21:54<abrotman>is it still failling for you guys ?
21:54<Hideo>abrotman: not for me anymore
21:54<cockroach>me neither
21:54<faheem>Hideo: if you want to submit a bug report, paste the bug number here, and i'll do a me too
21:54<faheem>still failing for me
21:55<Hideo>faheem: you go ahead, I really don't know what to say =)
21:55<faheem>Hideo: ok, will do
21:55<cockroach>but i might have another machine running testing/unstable available, maybe it happens there. hold on.
21:55<manseel>abortman: i have got lot of deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives in my laptop. i want apt-get in my desktop to use this directory as repo, so that i nned not worry about dependancies
21:55<abrotman>manseel: you can copy them over if it's just a one time thing
21:56<BobHartge>I find if I have an error during update it will usually work around 2 hours later.. think it happens when packages are migrating from debian proper to the servers.
21:56<cockroach>yes, i have another machine segfaulting
21:57<faheem>cockroach: ok, in process of filing bug. sec.
21:57<faheem>unless you want to do it
21:57<manseel>abrotman: okay, how i use apt command to look deb files in the folder? it is usually serching for mirrors over the intenet. I have no much idea about this
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21:57<cockroach>faheem: no no, feel free to submit it
21:58<faheem>cockroach: mine not segfaulting tho
21:58<abrotman>manseel: it will check to see if the correct files are already there
21:58<cockroach>faheem: need any debugging information?
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21:58<faheem>cockroach: yes, does the same pdiff show up?
21:59<redmaw>can some one help me mount this windows share? I can't figure out why I'm getting this error
21:59<faheem>what's the last line before the segfault?
21:59<cockroach>faheem: yes, it does. but some other show up later
21:59<cockroach>hold on, i'll pastebin the whole thing
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22:00<faheem>cockroach: ok.
22:00<cockroach>there are some 3rd party sources in there, though. i could try removing them in order to narrow it down
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22:00<manseel>abrotman: i have mplayer.deb and all its dependancies in a folder in my system. And i do not have an active internet conection. so what is the method to install mplayer using apt-get
22:01<faheem>cockroach: ok if i include this in the bug report?
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22:01<cockroach>faheem: sure, but let me just remove the 3rd party stuff in order to get cleaner output
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22:02<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>., or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
22:02<faheem>cockroach: ok. off to the gym. if you want to mail me directly, my email is faheem at email dot unc dot edu
22:02<faheem>cockroach: ok
22:02<faheem>i can include this one?
22:02<cockroach>yes, go ahead
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22:03<faheem>cockroach: you want me to include your name and/or email address with it?
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22:03<Hideo>faheem: odd how apt failed at main for both of us, but at contrib for cockroach
22:03<cockroach>faheem: sure, why not. it's stefan at ott dot net
22:03<manseel>abrotman: thanks alot for that info. let me just check it out :)
22:04<kop>manseel: There's also a way to put packages into apt-cacher's package cache, but apt-zip sounds cleaner.
22:04<faheem>Hideo: yes.
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22:05<faheem>sadly, this report will likely be ignored. the apt maintainers can't keep up
22:05<faheem>cockroach: thanks for the info
22:05<faheem>Hideo: i take it you don't have a reproducible example?
22:05<cockroach>always glad to help
22:05<Hideo>faheem: I can pastebin the log before it started working again
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22:06<Hideo>faheem: but I don't think it differs much from yours or cockroach
22:06<mom>mom hannahb1tch
22:06<mom>is here?
22:06<faheem>Hideo: as you like. if you pastebin it, i'll include it. you could also include an email if you want
22:07<faheem>Hideo: thanks
22:07<mom>she was helping me out
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22:07<Hideo>faheem: no email, would you post the bid once you report it?
22:07<faheem>Hideo: will do, but might not be for another hour or so
22:08<faheem>will you see it?
22:08<Hideo>faheem: that's fine, just hilight my name when you post it, thanks
22:08<kop>!tell mom about ask
22:08<manseel>kop and abrotman: my real task is, ihave downloaded all the 5 DVDS of lenny and put the packages in a folder in my laptop. I need to use this laptop as source for apt-get to clients systems connected over a diredct p2p connection with my laptop and do not have internet connection.
22:08<Chetic>How do I go from libgtk 2.12.12 to 2.14 or higher?
22:08<Chetic>synaptic only presents me with 2.12.12...
22:09<manseel>kop and abrotman: so what is the best method to achieve this
22:09<dpkg>i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at Ask me about <list repositories>.
22:10<kop>Chetic: But I would not think you'd have much luck. You could make your own backported package....
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22:10<abrotman>Chetic: you really don't ...
22:10<manseel>abrotman: Thanks for the info
22:11<kop>abrotman manseel : Your own repo certainly sounds like the cleanest approach.
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22:11<manseel>kop : how to do that
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22:12<kop>manseel: abrotman called up the appropriate dpkg factoid for you already.
22:12<mom>kop, are there any good online resources for LPIC I? or a channel for LPIC I?
22:12<abrotman>why are we yelling at me?
22:12<mom>im trying to learn
22:12<Chetic>abrotman: why not? :( I really need a feature from 2.14 and up
22:12<abrotman>Chetic: on Lenny?
22:12<manseel>kop : okay sure, i am trying to learn it. Thanks a lot
22:12<Chetic>abrotman: yes
22:14<abrotman>Chetic: don't you think that might mess up gnome?
22:14<sway_>dpkg-scanpackages debs /dev/null | gzip > debs/Packages.gz && echo 'deb file:/root debs/' > /etc/apt/sources.list
22:14<mom>kop, these objectives for level I
22:14<abrotman>Chetic: the simple answer is to either go to squeeze or do it in a chroot
22:15<kop>mom: I thought the point of certifications was to pay the certifier to educate you to pass the test. If you want to learn debian then read the reference manual or some such at (or /msg dpkg grounding for more resources).
22:16<sway_>the /root is the directory where the files/debs are located.
22:17<mom>kop, no you pay them to administer the test
22:18<Chetic>abrotman: yeah you're probably right. I'll look at other distro's. thanks!
22:18<kop>mom: Don't they supply the course materials? Wanna go to debian-offtopic to discuss more?
22:18<sway_>there are other semantical differences, too
22:19<abrotman>Chetic: squeeze isn't that hard
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22:20<kenyon>Chetic: you can always just build it locally if you're trying to develop with it or something
22:20<Chetic>abrotman: I'm not sure I'm experienced enough to roll with an unstable release, to be honest
22:20<mom>kop, you arent in debian-offtopic
22:21<abrotman>Chetic: squeeze isn't unstable
22:21<Chetic>I thought that was the same :p
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22:30<k1lumin4t1>what's happening with this:
22:30<k1lumin4t1>it's all empty
22:31<abrotman>use the netinst
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22:40<manseel>Hey I have a folder named rainbow in my laptop as well as desktop. Sometimes i add files to the folder in laptop, while sometimes i edit files in desktop. I want to frequently make both identica. What is the best method to do this?
22:40<manseel>They are connected in LAN
22:41<k1lumin4t1>manseel, rsync
22:42<manseel>k1lumin4tl: yeah i tried to read rsyn man page. very confusing. can u please tell me the command for that. both are running ssh.
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22:43<k1lumin4t1>manseel, I can't tell you a command line construction for your specific needs. that's what man and google are for
22:43<sway_>would rsync treat one directory as the source directory and the other directory as a destination directory?
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22:43<k1lumin4t1>rsync just syncs
22:43<k1lumin4t1>changes between directorie
22:44<user778>if firewall chains is not in my kernel does that mean i cannot use ip masquerading?
22:44<abrotman>faheem: Hideo .. same bug ?
22:44<k1lumin4t1>user778, you need to have ip_tables and netfilter support at kernel level
22:44<sway_>i'm confused
22:44<user778>killumin4t1: how do i check for that?
22:45<sway_>so rsync performs a uniq & sort on both directories and adds the files accordingly?
22:45<manseel>suppose laptop is and desktop is and the folder is /home/user/rainbow in both systems, how can i rsync both of them
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22:46<k1lumin4t1>user778, look at your kernel config and documentation
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22:46<user778>nm. thx
22:46<k1lumin4t1>manseel, you could also create a nfs/samba share for it
22:47<k1lumin4t1>manseel, and when you are at desktop you remount your /home/user/rainbow as the one from laptop and viceversa
22:47<k1lumin4t1>hmm no
22:47<k1lumin4t1>that's nonsense
22:48<manseel>these systems are not always connected, i take laptop outside, and when i reach back home i need to sync them
22:48<k1lumin4t1>rsync then
22:48<k1lumin4t1>use rsync or unison
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22:49<k1lumin4t1>you can use rsync with GUI stuff like grsync for the client and gadmin-rsync for the server parameters
22:49<manseel>kilumin4at1: thanks for the info
22:50<k1lumin4t1>manseel, you could also try any backup tool
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22:51<manseel> kilumin4at1: okay, thank you
22:52<manseel>i was looking fot the specific command. got from this webpage
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22:57<uberushaximus>after installing squeeze/sid I can't get grub to chainload to the windows 7 loader, anyone else have this problem?
22:58<uberushaximus>It's a fresh netinstall from like an hour ago on my EeePC 1005ha
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23:00<uberushaximus>also, is there an IA-32 linux-image deb for 2.6.31 around yet?
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23:09<k1lumin4t1>uberushaximus, explain yourself
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23:12<uberushaximus>I installed the daily netinst image on a second partition after windows 7, following the wiki page for the 1005ha
23:13<k1lumin4t1>uberushaximus, ok
23:13<k1lumin4t1>uberushaximus, and?
23:14<uberushaximus>I can't boot to 7 and I can't find the package for linux-image 2.6.31
23:15<uberushaximus>I'd have to reboot to find the exact error that grub gives
23:15<k1lumin4t1>uberushaximus, please do
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23:17<faheem>Hideo, cockroach : what versions of apt are you using?
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23:35<uberushaximus>k1lumin4t1: alright, grub says "error: cannot get C/H/S values
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23:59<faheem>is there any way of attaching a large file to a bug report, other than mailing it?
23:59<sney>you can upload it to a convenient webspace and link the file in the bug report
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