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---Logopened Wed Nov 04 00:00:07 2009
---Daychanged Wed Nov 04 2009
00:00<sney>if it's larger than a meg or so that would probably be recommended
00:00<faheem>sney: hmm, yes, but i don't know how permanent the webspace would be
00:00<faheem>sney: yes, 10 MB
00:00<faheem>i've already sent it, i'll see if it gets there or not
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00:00<sney>what the heck are you attaching to a bug report that's 10MB
00:01<faheem>might run afoul of spam filters
00:01<faheem>sney: see
00:01<faheem>apt wackiness
00:01<faheem>i was attaching the pdiff referenced in the report
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00:01<sney>yeah I see
00:02<faheem>my first joint bug report. yay
00:02<sney>isn't that pdiff available on the apt mirror
00:02<faheem>sney: for the moment.
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00:02<faheem>possibly not in a few hours :-)
00:02<sney>though once it's gone the bug will basically be closed
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00:02<faheem>sney: they might be able to deduce something from the pdiff. dunno
00:02<faheem>worth a shot
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00:03<franki^>what's a "joint bug report"?
00:03<faheem>franki^: :-) see report in question
00:03<faheem>input from two other people who were here earlier
00:03<franki^>i see
00:03<faheem>kinda amusing. we all had exactly the same error at the same time
00:04<sney>kinda rules out human error
00:04<franki^>like, "filed jointly", i was just being obtuse :)
00:04<faheem>if the pdiff doesn't go through, i'll stick it on a web site and hope it doesn't disappear before the apt people get to it, maybe around 2012. :-)
00:05<sney>I've got some extra webspace
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00:05<faheem>sney: ok. if you want to put it there - it is
00:05<faheem>still there for the moment
00:06<sney>yep got it
00:06<faheem>you could post the url here, or mail directly to the BTS
00:06<faheem>sney: is your webspace fairly stable?
00:06<sney>I'll shot you a /msg if you don't mind
00:06<faheem>sney: sure
00:06<sney>yeah it never goes down
00:06<sney>and I rarely remember to delete old things
00:06<faheem>sney: is it going to be around in 2012?
00:07<faheem>sney: good enough. thanks.
00:07<faheem>sney: let me know here when you have sent the /msg. i'm pretty irc illiterate
00:07<faheem>i can find the window if i know where to look
00:08<sney>it'll show up as a new pink number on the right side
00:08<faheem>sney: i'm using irssi
00:08<faheem>is that obvious somehow?
00:08<sney>[22:07] >faheem< CTCP VERSION
00:08<sney>[22:07] -faheem- VERSION irssi v0.8.12
00:08<faheem>sney: i see
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00:16<faheem>sney: ping?
00:17<sney>oh it just finished uploading
00:17<sney>strange my up is usually faster than that. someone in the house must be torrenting
00:17<faheem>sney: oh, ok
00:17<sney>pm sent
00:17<faheem>sney: see the pink
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00:54<kaiyin>I have figured it out: find /media/cdrom0/dicts/ -name "*.tar" -exec tar -xvf {} \;
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02:47<Draco112358>ciao a tutti
02:47<dpkg>draco112358: VATTENE VIA
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02:51<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 255 (2009-11-04).
02:52<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 255 (2009-11-04).
02:52<dpkg><alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines
02:52<dpkg><TCossuto> is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p?
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03:26<tarzeau>haha almost forogt about the qotds
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03:28<streuner_>tarzeau: they are useless
03:29<tarzeau>streuner_: some are funny!
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03:29<streuner_>tarzeau: well, in a support channel such quotes arent helpful nor funny.
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03:30<tarzeau>streuner_: that's your view of things. and that's fine. for me they are funny, at least some
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03:31<streuner_>tarzeau: well, that should the view of everybody who doing support
03:31<streuner_>tarzeau: be*
03:31<tarzeau>streuner_: are you telling me i'm doing less, or no support because i have a different view?
03:32<tarzeau>what makes you think your view (which felt like the one of a dictator, but since i know you for some years in here i know it's not), is the ideal?
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03:33<dbldtx_>What about during downtime, to show people there's somebody in the room?
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03:33<dpkg><jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not
03:33<dbldtx_>if I saw that... I would ask a Q far more quickly than if I just saw a 2 page string of part/joins
03:35<streuner_>tarzeau: you didnt know that iam the dictator of switzerland? ;-)
03:35<tarzeau>streuner_: huh? i am the dictator of switzerland!
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03:37<BusError>lil help here : this morning my debian sid crashed at boot; panic, probably / related. How do I /force/ grub to give me the busybox so I can fsck ?
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03:38<jm_>grub can't give you that
03:38<streuner_>BusError: sounds like a custom kernel?
03:38<BusError>well.. tell initrd to give me that then :?
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03:39<jm_>initrds scripts should do that automaticall if mounting / fails
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03:40<jm_>you can use break option as well
03:40<BusError>mount . works, but crashes
03:40<streuner_>BusError: do you use a custom kernel?
03:40<BusError>yes, but with an initrd made with mkinitrd
03:41<BusError>dunno whats going on, the workstation worked fine yesterday, don;t even remember upgrading anything..
03:43<streuner_>How about to use a live-CD and fix everything?
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03:46<streuner_>BusError: check out /var/log/dpkg.log which packages are new...
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03:51<BusError>well lucky I had an old usb key with the debian installer on. fscking now.
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03:53<smhar>strange!! why do I get these errors: E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process rred received a segmentation fault. when trying to do an apt-get update on my squeeze system?
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03:55<streuner_>what does BTS say about apt?
03:55<smhar>streuner_, checking now
03:56<smhar>very slow net today here
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03:58<smhar>and a 'Network Error (tcp_error)' with
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03:58<BusError>bizare. did a fsck on / -- didn't find anything, and rebooted -- and it worked. very strange
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04:00<streuner_>!dbugs 554349
04:00<dpkg>#554349:N[apt] apt: Method rred has died unexpectedly! (); Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:48:02 UTC []
04:01<smhar>so it is a bug hhmmm, does this mean I will not get updates for the system now?
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04:02<Rhapsody>Is there a clean way of getting rid of the desktop cashew in Debian KDE, or is the "I HATE the cashew" plasmoid still the best way?
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04:03<smhar>well.. I found this.. seems like a temporary workaround:
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04:06<Rhapsody>smhar: Huh, not the problem I asked about, but I have been getting that. I assume it's temporary.
04:06<iskra>I'm installing lenny via the netinst cd on a used server i just picked up, and i'm only getting "standard system: option on the select options menu
04:06<smhar>Rhapsody, well that was the solution to MY problem
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04:07<iskra>i booted in no acpi mode... that shouldnt affect it though right?
04:07<Rhapsody>smhar: I figured that, but it was a neat coincidence.
04:07<smhar>Rhapsody, wish it happens to me all the time :-)
04:08<Nemoder>faheem: any replies on the bug report? I'm getting that rred segfault on update but I can't seem to connect to
04:08<jm_>iskra: you can easily install anything else later on, use tasksel
04:08<iskra>=)... and that will give me same menu correct?
04:08<iskra>(i forgot about that from ubuntu... i'm just switching over)
04:09<Rhapsody>But I don't like the idea of using a plasmoid to hide the desktop cashew. By all logic, the cashew should either have an auto-hide option or be implemented as a plasmoid itself.
04:09<jm_>well similar
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04:09<iskra>jm_: i'm installing it as a server.... and on my laptop i saw all the options to setup mail server, file server, etc...
04:10<iskra>jm_: tasksel should still give those options, yea?
04:10<jm_>iskra: yup
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04:11<iskra>jm_: awesome, thanks much for helping me and my tired brain
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04:17<dpkg>methinks kz is Kazakhstan
04:17<locklace>there isn't a #debian-kz? i'm crushed
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04:18<streuner_>there is #debian-russian
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04:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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04:20<Darkedge>What's the most native way to create Debian Packages, and how easy is it?
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04:21<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful:
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04:22<Darkedge>XD I looked up deb didn't find much
04:22<Darkedge>anyway thanks
04:23<jm_>no worries
04:23<streuner_>judd, versions apt
04:23<judd>streuner_: apt -- etch: etch-security: lenny: lenny-security: squeeze-security: squeeze: sid: 0.7.24
04:23<Darkedge>jm_: and how easy is it?
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04:23<jm_>Darkedge: depends on your skills I guess
04:24<Darkedge>jm_: If it's hard.... Any alternitives (GUI)
04:24<Darkedge>Well OK
04:24<Darkedge>I'll give it ashot
04:24<jm_>for simple pakages it's really easy
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04:28<DTE>hi all
04:29<Darkedge>Can you recomend a "simple" package?
04:29<Darkedge>I mean I don't wannta start of really hard and just stop because It's a hard package...
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04:30<jm_>Darkedge: I thought you already know what you want to package
04:31<Darkedge>I want to learn how to though
04:31<Darkedge>So I want to choose an easy package
04:31<Darkedge>I know some Python if that changes anything
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04:33<jm_>find something that uses cdbs or
04:34<jm_>apt-cache show cdbs
04:34<jm_>I think there's another tool similar to that
04:34<Darkedge>What IS cdbs?
04:35<dpkg>rumour has it, cdbs is a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. located at
04:35<jm_>use the above apt-cache command to find out what it is
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04:35<stockholm>debhelper can do something similar, with the -tiny switch
04:36<stockholm>a little cleaner then cdbs
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04:49<davromaniak>Hi, I have a little question about iptables
04:49<davromaniak>I would like to redirect the brute force attempts on port 80 to another server, which has a simple warning page
04:50<Darkedge>jm_: I just install cdbs now do I launch it?
04:50<davromaniak> <== I tried this
04:50<DTE>one question: i have to implement web filtering on a squid proxy
04:50<DTE>i alwayd did it with dansguardian or squidguard
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04:50<davromaniak>it blocks after too many attempts, but does not redirect to the other webserver
04:50<DTE>but i see that i cpould use squid directly
04:51<DTE>which is the best way?
04:51<jm_>Darkedge: it doesn't work that way
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04:52<davromaniak>DTE: When I had to setup a web filtering proxy, I used dansguardian and squid, because I think dansguardian is more simple to set the blocking parameters
04:53<Darkedge>jm_: Then how do I use it?
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04:55<Darkedge>jm_: I am alredy on that page! uh but I still don't get it
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04:55<jm_>Darkedge: read all of it
04:56<Darkedge>like what IS debian/rules?
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04:59<Darkedge>Should I use DEB Creator?
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05:00<Darkedge>jm_: Should I use DEB Creator?
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05:01<jm_>Darkedge: you should make your own decision what to use, not ask others
05:02<Darkedge>How safe is it to install a so called "ubuntu" package?
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05:02<DTE>davromaniak: actually we want to use just some blacklists
05:03<DTE>so i'll put everything in some files
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05:04<lancelot_of>hi all
05:04<lancelot_of>sometimes mouse cursor is not visible on the desktop and i've to switch to console /reswitch to X in order to make it visible.any suggestion/how to fix?
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05:12<neo>how to use metasploit rooting
05:12<neo>plz tell me the porcess
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05:15<weasel>neo: go away
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05:16<dpkg>my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis
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05:21<wvsfxr>My wireless-card is recognized with iwconfig, but I do not know how to configure it correctly. Where do I find help?
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05:22<Darkedge>Does anyone here have a source for beryl?
05:23<gsimmons>wvsfxr: See . You can ask any additional questions you may have in here.
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05:36<wvsfxr>How do I check wether my WiFi is really activated? ( The WiFi-Led of my notebook is off and pushing the WiFi-button does not change anything )
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05:38<screenn>I have an error with check_snmp command in debian
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05:39<DTE>that command is not defined anywhere
05:39<DTE>check in objects/commands
05:39<DTE>or whatever is your commands file
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05:40<jm_>screenn: does snmp even give out anything for community 'public'? it doesn't by default
05:40<screenn>jm_ yes, it does on my cisco router
05:41<jm_>screenn: ahh OK
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05:43<screenn>jm_ I have configured way to cfg_dir=/etc/nagios-plugins/config and this directory has a lot of check_snmp commands
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05:43<screenn>but why it still not defined anywhere?
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05:45<DTE>how have you defined it?
05:46<jm_>screenn: I'm affraid I can't help you with nagios
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05:47<screenn>jm_ it works only with commented check_snmp
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05:48<screenn>I thought command not found, but it's in many snmp commads from /etc/nagios-plugins/config commands
05:49<DTE>paste the definition in nopaste
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05:51<Woet>What would be the best way to mirror a ~ 40 GB folder over many servers?
05:51<Woet>rsync? rsync over HTTP? tar/wget?
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05:51<screenn>DTE ok, now
05:52<loongson>HTTP must be a good way!
05:52<Woet>hmm, but rsync over HTTP or tar/wget?
05:52<weasel>just hope many and how often does it change and what's the link between them?
05:53<Woet>they are default files of gameservers
05:53<screenn>DTE definitions from SWITCH.CFG with my ip and router name chanches
05:53<Woet>many little files/folders, about 40 GB, it changes about every week or so and they simply need to be copied to other servers
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05:54<dpkg><Brian_L> cd #debian-64
05:55<screenn>DTE /usr/share/doc/nagios3-common/examples/template-object/switch.cfg - from here
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05:55<DTE>screenn: i don't have a nagios install on debian right now
05:55<silvering>amm.. hi yall.. i just install fresh lenny.. and my xorg is empty? can't make my kbd layouts..
05:56<silvering>why my xorg.conf is empty ?
05:57<DTE>screenn: check if you can find the define command related to the check_cnmp
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05:57<jm_>silvering: that's normal
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05:58<skysong>hi guys.. i need help with very slow speeds when burning dvds.
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05:59<screenn>DTE how can I do that?
05:59<silvering>jm_ why is normal, explain please, and how can i configure my kbd layouts now ?
05:59<skysong>is this a known issue? i really dont want to switch to another distro but whichever application i use yield the same results
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06:00<screenn>I've fond a lot of check_snmp by grep /etc/nagios-plugins/config# grep check_snmp *
06:00<DTE>screenn: i would grep check_snmp in your nagios dir conf
06:00<screenn>DTE so I have it in there
06:01<gsimmons>silvering: /msg dpkg empty xorg.conf ; /msg dpkg xorg config lenny
06:01<silvering>gsimmons thanks
06:01<jm_>silvering: because X server no longer needs it to work -- did you try configurin git via console-setup? do you use kde/gnome or somesuch
06:01<silvering>jm_ using xfce 4.4
06:02<jm_>silvering: doesn't it give you an option to configure keyboard layout in preferences?
06:02<skysong>so noone's having slow burning speed issues in lenny?:s
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06:02<screenn>DTE for example: snmp.cfg: command_line /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_snmp -H '$HOSTADDRESS$'
06:03<silvering>jm_ i've got keyboard settings under Settings menu, but no layouts option, and i don't know how to configure it through console
06:03<silvering>i was used to xorg
06:03<DTE>screenn: ok...check how is called that command
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06:04<jm_>silvering: try console-setup package, or xfce4-xkb-plugin
06:05<jm_>ahh no that's juist layout switching
06:06<silvering>i got setxkbmap lines for my layout.. but don't know in what file to put them so they can load with OS
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06:06<jm_>let me find my example
06:06<silvering>just paste the inside ?
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06:07<silvering>so what am i doing with this xorg.. copy paste ?
06:08<GeRoNiMoSo0o0o0>GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!!!!
06:08<jm_>no, use it as a base to write your own
06:08<themill>GeRoNiMoSo0o0o0: do you have a debian question for us?
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06:09<silvering>well.. i`m not that into xorg things
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06:09<chaos>i'm using testing and apt-get update dies
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06:10<chaos>while downloading a package called rred with segfault
06:10<themill>!rred died
06:10<dpkg>aptitude and apt-get update will die with "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!" due to a bad pdiff file from the recent mirror update. Use "aptitude -o Acquire::PDiffs=false update" once to work around this. Ask me about <pdiff> or see
06:10<DTE>screenn: copy and paste the snmp.cfg
06:10<chaos>so i suppose i'm not the first one to notice :)
06:10<jm_>once starts working :)
06:10<themill>jm_: yes... there is that ;(
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06:11<silvering>jm_ last Question.. how about Xorg -configure command ?
06:11<chaos>is there an apt-get workaround command too?
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06:12<themill>chaos: same command should work. (aptitude/apt-get are completely interchangeable for "update" anyway, but in general, aptitude is preferred, /msg dpkg why aptitude)
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06:13<jm_>silvering: that shall give you a base to work on too
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06:14<screenn>DTE - that is standart file from /etc/nagios-plugins/config
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06:14<DTE>which one do you want to use?
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06:16<DTE>screenn: use the name of the command...not teh command line for the definition of the service
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06:23<screenn>DTE I've understood! command_name isn't found :)
06:23<screenn>but why, it's a standart config options,
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06:26<DTE>screenn: because you used check_snmp instead of snmp_load
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06:27<DTE>you don't have a command define as command_name check_snmp
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06:32<dpkg>< dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right.
06:32<screenn>DTE thanks, now I know the answer :)
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06:33<DTE>screenn: i'm fighting with nagios since few months ;)
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06:48<dpkg><troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol
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06:48<screenn>DTE did you try to use mrtg with nagios?
06:49<dbldtx_>!tell dbldtx_ about qotd
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06:53<screenn>DTE i'm fighting with it some similar time too :)
06:53<DTE>i'm using pnp4nagios
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07:07<imaginary>Anyone here willing to help me on an iMac?
07:09<dbldtx_>imaginary; msg me what's wrong with it.
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07:09<dpkg><mxldr> how do i get lenny to watch DVD's <mxldr> i just want to watch DVD's. I don't care about free-speachsoftware or the manatees or anything
07:09<dbldtx_>Hallo imaginary.
07:09<bird>when i build eva qq my comput show "configure:error:Can`t find x include. Please chek your installation and add the correct paths!" what do i do ?
07:10<imaginary>Does anyone have LAMP experience?
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07:13<ffws>imaginary: now what, iMac or LAMP?
07:13<imaginary>im on an iMac
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07:14<imaginary> is what i'm following
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07:18<wvsfxr1>How do I check wether my WiFi is really activated? ( The WiFi-Led of my notebook is off and pushing the WiFi-button does not change anything )
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07:20<ffws>wvsfxr1: dmesg, iwconfig, iwlist, ...
07:20<dbldtx_>wvsfxr1; sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
07:20<dbldtx_>Yes, ffws has the much much much better suggestion.
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07:21<harakiri>hello, anyone know the default value of /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr in ETCH? this doesnt exist by default, also sysctl doesnt give out the default either
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07:22<ffws>harakiri: sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr
07:22<harakiri>error: "vm.mmap_min_addr" is an unknown key
07:23<ffws>is this inside a virtual machine?
07:23<harakiri>vmware yes
07:23<jm_>harakiri: which kernel are you running?
07:24<harakiri>ah nm, i polled a real etch machine - its 0 by default =/
07:25<ffws>afair this war does not exist inside vm
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07:30<ffws>wvsfxr1: ifconfig wlan0 up && iwlist wlan0 scan
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07:32<wvsfxr1>ffws: I get an unknown error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: unknown error 132
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07:33<ffws>wvsfxr1: do you have the firmware installed?
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07:34<wvsfxr1>ffws: I don't know ... not manually ( I just compiled the kernel to have the used module )
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07:36<SuPPuSH>any advice on grub "error 17:" when i select my debian system, or my debian rescue mode?
07:36<ffws>wvsfxr1: then do it
07:36<jm_>SuPPuSH: error 17 is can't mount selected partition
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07:36<dieharc>how do i run "bash -c <command>" so as to get bash to stay interactive after <command> ends?
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07:38<SuPPuSH>jm_: could this have anything to do with system update downloading a new kernel? 2.6.26-2-amd64
07:39<jm_>SuPPuSH: unlikely, did you check which partition it tries to use?
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07:39<SuPPuSH>jm_: /dev/sda /dev/sda1
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07:39<jm_>dieharc: you can't, why do you want it to stay interactive?
07:40<jm_>SuPPuSH: how is it specified in GRUB?
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07:40<madkiss>hi folsk
07:41<dieharc>jm_: i need to source some scripts and to initialize some functions and variables for a specialized (that is, ~/.bashrc is not a good idea) shell session
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07:41<SuPPuSH>jm_: im not sure ill have to boot back in with a cd to check... ill be back on after work with some better notes... thanks for the help
07:41<jm_>dieharc: how about 'bash --rcfile yourscript'?
07:41<jm_>SuPPuSH: you can check in grub
07:41<sylock>this is about PPTPD. Someone know if there is a way to push some route on the remote client from the pptpd server and don't touch to the default route?
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07:42<themill>dieharc: just run ". ~/.bashrc-special-session" in your new shell when you log in
07:42<dieharc>jm_: but won't this replace ~/.bashrc? i want ~/.bashrc to be run too
07:42<SuPPuSH>jm_: brb let me see
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07:43<sylock>actually, when my client is connected to the vpn server, the default route is replaced to go via pptpd server. But in that case, I don't have internet access anymore. I juste want to be able to access to LAN ressources on the side of the VPN
07:43<jm_>dieharc: ahh yes, then it won't help, but maybe you can source .bashrc at the end of your script then
07:44<dieharc>jm_: right, sourcing .bashrc seems fine
07:45<dieharc>jm_, themill: thank you
07:45<jm_>no worries
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07:46<wvsfxr1>ffws: Now I've copied the firmware-file to /lib/firmware. How do I load the driver now?
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07:47<ffws>wvsfxr1: modprobe -r <module> and modprobe <module>
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07:51<wvsfxr1>ffws: Ok, firmware is installed, but I have the same problem.
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07:52<SuPPuSH>jm_: thanks as soon as i edited it my problem became aparant, thanks again
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07:53<jm_>SuPPuSH: no worries
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07:54<dieharc>what's the difference between running "bash -l" and simply running "bash"? i see no difference
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07:55<@Ganneff>read man bash, it tells you
07:55<jm_>dieharc: the difference is in section invocation
07:55<jm_>is explained in*
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07:56<themill>Ganneff: are you guys planning to fix Packages.diff/2009-11-04-0016.39.gz etc in the next mirror pulse or is it just a thing that people should work around by not using pdiffs for the time being?
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07:57<@Ganneff>it is fixed, we rm-ed all the pdiff crap so it starts fresh again
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07:57<themill>Ganneff: excellent. That was a very weird looking pdiff indeed.
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07:58<themill>(So now it only remains to fix the bugs in apt that this has exposed!)
07:58<@Ganneff>the whole pdiff crap should be done new. this time right. and not as broken as it is
07:59<jm_>themill: how would you fix it? ignore pdiffs automatically in such case?
07:59<themill>Ganneff: The pdiffs are a little quirky that's for sure. They're hard to work with to debug what's gone wrong after the event because you can't patch -R them
08:00<@Ganneff>there is no way to debug them. there is no way to sanely handle them. they are a nice idea done totally wrong. anyways, eot for me
08:00<dieharc>Ganneff: what is pdiff?
08:00<themill>jm_: that would be a good start. Some versions of apt (not sure if it's arch or version dependent) SIGSEGV on this pdiff file though.... that's definitely a bug and a rather disturbing one.
08:00<themill>dpkg: tell dieharc about pdiff
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08:00<jm_>themill: ahh
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08:01<ffws>wvsfxr1: then its the wrong firmware, you know that there is a debian package?
08:01<themill>jm_: (I'm presuming that checksums and signatures are checked prior to passing the pdiff to rred to patch it so there's not an attack vector here)
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08:04<Chetic>export doesn't show a LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Is that bad or supposed to happen?
08:06<jm_>that is normal
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08:07<wvsfxr1>ffws: Yes, I have the iwlwifi-package installed. There is only firmware for: 3945-1, 4965-1, 4965-2. I copied iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode into /lib/firmware and reloaded the module: iwlagn.
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08:08<Chetic>thanks jm_
08:09<ffws>wvsfxr1: perhaps your kernel is too old
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08:09<jm_>Chetic: np
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08:10<wvsfxr1>No, I don't think so, because I compiled kernel for that reason.
08:10<gsimmons>wvsfxr1: Please try using kernel 2.6.30 from backports (/msg dpkg bpo), rather than your custom 2.6.31 kernel. For your information, firmware-iwlwifi in lenny-backports contains firmware required by iwlagn.
08:11<ffws>wvsfxr1: nobody can help you with your own kernel
08:12<wvsfxr1>gsimmons, ffws: Ok, I'll try, thank you.
08:12<dieharc>Ganneff: pdiff seems to be a very good idea, what do you think is crappy about it?
08:13<gsimmons>wvsfxr1: You may also find useful.
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08:19<dpkg>< tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc
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08:20<themill>dieharc: I think Ganneff was talking the particular implementation of reading in the pdiffs (it tends to be quite CPU bound and can actually take longer than just fetching the full file if you have a fast connection and a slow CPU) and the format chosen for them (ed scripts are difficult to understand)
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08:22<dieharc>themill: and does it seem difficult to improve?
08:23<themill>dieharc: changing the format means starting again on that work. That's not uncommon with software projects though... it'll happen one day.
08:24<dieharc>themill: is there anything similar for rpm, btw?
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08:24<jm_>dieharc: this is higher level than rpm
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08:25<dieharc>yeah, i meant yum and stuff
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08:30<wvsfxr>gsimmons, ffws: The custom kernel was ( probably ) not the problem, but had an iwlwifi update and now it works. Thank you again for your encouragement!
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08:36<tdk>wer mag helfen ? :D
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08:38<wvsfxr>Auf deutsch? Im
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08:42<Torsten>i switched networks with my debian system, in both networks i get my IP over DHCP but in the second network the system still tries to acces the Gateway/DHCP-server of the first network, so it ca't get a valid IP in second net. Where can I find the settings in debian to change/reset the Gateway/DHCP-Server settings to get or set it for the second net?
08:42<boknoy>well, I'm back and wlan0 still doesn't work... I have no idea what's wrong. it worked before, is it possibly a kernel problem?
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08:44<Torsten>settings "/etc/network/interfaces" are clean (not specified for net1)
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08:52<Torsten>ok, got it back to work! thanks!
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09:03<boknoy>erm... I can attest that WEP works on ath5k_pci on other distros, but I must be missing something.
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09:07<antgel>hi all. problem burning CDs with those user-friendly gnome apps, banshee and rhythmbox. when i insert a blank cd into my cdrom, both apps should display the blank cd on the left-hand side, but neither does
09:08<antgel>#banshee said it might be a dbus or hal problem - i did have cdrom polling disabled because of advice from powertop but even though it's now enabled, no difference
09:08<antgel>how can i debug this further?
09:10<antgel>brasero sees the blank cd, and i can write disks with cdrecord
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09:15<Guest761>no comprendre Anglais Domage!
09:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:36<edbian>I am using debian lenny 5 (kernel 2.6.26-2-686) Do I need to worry about this problem? -->
09:36<boknoy>still no joy, but I noticed something in dmesg: "wlan0: link is not ready"
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09:44<MyWifeIs19>is there a way to "play" bd-java on a lenny box?
09:44<boknoy>iwlist wlan0 scan doesn't bring up any AP's... I'm not sure it's a kill switch thing, my netbook's wifi led doesn't work.
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09:53<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: late to this.. but is the interface up?
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09:53<Woet>What would be the best mail server for Debian, especially aimed at performance?
09:53<Woet>sendmail? qmail? postfix? exim?
09:53<inkbottle>Hi, is there a file describing my keyboard layout?
09:53<Gun_Smoke>Woet: exim works for me.
09:54<Gun_Smoke>And I would like to believe it is the default for a reason.
09:54<petemc>what kind of performance?
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09:54<gordon73>Woet: people say dovecot is quite good
09:54<blob>Woet: What performance do you need...
09:54<petemc>its the default because at the time the choice was made there wasnt much else
09:54<petemc>!why exim
09:54<dpkg>Exim was chosen as the default MTA a long time ago:, or see
09:55<petemc>Woet: exim or postfix, both work very well
09:55<Gun_Smoke>Woet: what are you after? full mail server or personal use?
09:56<Woet>mail server on my website, sending a few dozen e-mails a minute
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09:56<blob>Woet: that's not really much performance needed...
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09:56<Woet>well, it delays the request by 0.7 second using sendmail
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09:56<blob>Woet: all would work equally well for this purpose I would suggest postfix/exim (both are easy to configure )
09:57<Woet>i'll have a look
09:57<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, I use wicd
09:59<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: okay, but is the interface up?
09:59<zobel>gordon73: dovecat isn't a MTA... its a mess.
09:59<Gun_Smoke>haha ^^
09:59<petemc>zobel: dovecot is a mess?
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09:59<zobel>petemc: IMHO yes.
10:00<petemc>why so?
10:00<petemc>and whats better?
10:00<zobel>i use postfix in combination with cyrus.
10:01<petemc>fair enough, i know cyrus is still very popular, and scales well
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10:01<petemc>for most people tho, dovecot is fine, and is certainly more flexible than cyrus
10:02<ffws>don't know why dovecot should be a mess...
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10:02<zobel>petemc: we rund with 800 accounts here. that would be a pity to administrate IMHO with dovecot.
10:03<petemc>i have more than that working fine with dovecot and exim
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10:06<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: well I'm about to step out for a while. Make sure the wireless interface is defined in wicd's preferences, and make sure the interface is actually up. 'ifconfig <iface> up'
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10:06<Gun_Smoke>yes you do need help
10:06<themill>Guest766: try #ubuntu on
10:06<Guest766>what is xchat ?
10:06<Gun_Smoke>///ignore Guest766
10:07<perk>Guest766, it is an irc client, you are chatting to real live people over teh internets. try wikipedia or google for more information about irc and xchat.
10:07<zobel>Guest766: that is the software you are currently using for chatting with us...
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10:08<Guest766>it there anything like this for windows
10:08<zobel>there is xchat for windows
10:08<perk>Guest766, try or wikipedia for more information
10:08<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, ok brb
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10:10<antgel>hi all. problem burning CDs with those user-friendly gnome apps, banshee and rhythmbox. when i insert a blank cd into my cdrom, both apps should display the blank cd on the left-hand side, but neither does. #banshee said it might be a dbus or hal problem - i did have cdrom polling disabled because of advice from powertop but even though it's now enabled, no difference how can i debug this further? brasero sees the blank cd, and i can
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10:11<Guest766>can i use xchat on windows mobile
10:11<zobel>Guest766: please read documentation for that.
10:11<zobel>i gave you the links
10:12<craigevil>Guest766: opera has an irc client built in, might try that instead
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10:12<Katatonic>Hello there!
10:13<Katatonic>I'm new to Linux, Debian in particular so I thought I'd get in here and ask stuff :P
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10:14<Guest766>i cant find a windows mobile version of xchat
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10:16<No1>there isnt one
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10:17<No1>you do know this is a debian help help channel ?
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10:18<Katatonic>So how is everyone?
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10:21<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, ok, I tried that and a couple of other suggestions, but still no joy. It's getting quite depressing...
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10:22<No1>boknoy, can u pm me ur /etc/network/interfaces
10:22<boknoy>No1, I just have the lo lines
10:23<No1>just two lines
10:23<No1>auto lo
10:23<No1>iface lo inet
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10:24<No1>iface lo inet loopback
10:26<lkkklll>hi , how can i instal BT4 to usb ?
10:26<Gun_Smoke>That should do. I don't have anything but lo in mine and wicd works fine.
10:26<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: pastebin 'lspci |grep Network'
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10:26<Titan8990>lkkklll, you can read the guide on it, search the forums, google, etc. but what you don't do is come into a channel not related to backtrack such as #debian and ask
10:27<lkkklll>ok , bay
10:27<Titan8990>lkkklll, backtrack support is at #remote-exploit on
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10:30<boknoy>No1, yup just the loopback entry
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10:30<No1><Gun_Smoke> boknoy: pastebin 'lspci |grep Network'
10:30<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
10:31<No1>cool :)
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10:31<boknoy>it works with other distro's ath5k.
10:31<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <>, <wireless tree>.
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10:32<Gun_Smoke>^^^^^^ read that.. :(
10:32<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: ^
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10:35<boknoy>I've read and reread it. everything is supposed to work, but it's not :(
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10:36<boknoy>my main problem is it's not finding any AP's. iwlist wlan0 scan says there's nothing in range.
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10:36<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: that is possible.
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10:38<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, there is an AP in range, and it's only around 5-10 meters away
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10:40<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: and the interface is up???
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10:41<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, it didn't spit out an error, so I'm assuming ifconfig wlan0 up did
10:42<boknoy>Gun_Smoke, ^^; mixed up my words again... I meant "ifconfig wlan0 up" didn't spit out an error, so I'm assuming it's up.
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10:44<No1>ifconfig ath0 up <=== just check
10:44<Gun_Smoke>No1: good idea... << boknoy
10:44<munga_>the hibernate/suspend menu has disappeared from gnome-power-manager applet. Is there a way to restore this menu ? Or a better way to put my laptop to sleep the System -> shutwdown -> hibernate ?
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10:45<Gun_Smoke>munga_: You're probably missing gnome-power-manager
10:45<boknoy>No1, worth a shot. brb
10:45<Gun_Smoke>munga_: you can always call it from a shell... # pm-suspend/pm-hibernate
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10:45<munga_>Gun_Smoke, no no... I'm talking about the gnome-power-manager in sid
10:46<Gun_Smoke>munga_: yeah I figured that.. It's probably broke.
10:46<munga_>ok... I was looking for a nifty button :)
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10:46<Gun_Smoke>Oh... Hack something together yourself.
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10:49<raylu>suspend and resume work on my debian testing/squeeze system, mostly. however, resuming always re-suspends once, so i have to resume twice to actually resume. i've tried disabling wakeup on lid (/proc/acpi/wakeup) but resuming with the power button doesn't work either (it still re-suspends once).
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10:52<vvas>hm, the bts is awfully slow today
10:52<munga_>actually pm-hibernate / pm-suspend needs root privileges . if I just want to add a launcher it would be a bit hackish as I would need a suid script ... :(
10:53<Gun_Smoke>raylu: I had similar issues a while ago with 2.6.24 or 26 I forget. I eneded up doing this..
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10:55<boknoy>okay, didn't work.
10:55<No1>did u do as root
10:55<boknoy>No1, yeah
10:56<No1>it said up
10:56<boknoy>ath0: interface not found soemthing something
10:56<cahoot>ifconfig -a
10:56<boknoy>tried that too
10:56<gsimmons>boknoy: That's because you're using ath5k, not madwifi.
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10:56<cahoot>does it show ath0?
10:56<Gun_Smoke>boknoy: ifconfig -a will list all interfaces.. Make sure there isn't much more than lo, eth0, wlan0..
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10:57<Gun_Smoke>if there is let us know.
10:57<raylu>Gun_Smoke: thanks. by the way, how did you find your model number?
10:57<boknoy>lo, wlan0 and wmaster0
10:58<Gun_Smoke>raylu: mine is printed on the bottom of my laptop.. BUT there is another way..
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11:00<Gun_Smoke>raylu: dmidecode |grep "Product Name:"
11:01<Gun_Smoke>raylu: look over everything in dmidecode rather.. Lots of good stuff
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11:02<raylu>Gun_Smoke: hm... 7417 appears to not be in the file
11:02<alnr>how is telnet installed/started? so far i've done apt-get install telnetd inetd and /etc/init.d/inetd restart, no luck (i know telnet is bad)
11:02<Gun_Smoke>you're on a 61 also/
11:02<raylu>Gun_Smoke: no, a T400
11:02<Gun_Smoke>oh, well still cool enough..
11:03<Gun_Smoke>:) I read yesterday there is a pile of 400's and 61's on the ISS.. :)
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11:04<Gun_Smoke>I lied.. "comprising 68 IBM ThinkPad A31" and 32 T61p's
11:05<Gun_Smoke>raylu: what kernel are you using?
11:05<raylu>Gun_Smoke: 2.6.30-2-amd64
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11:06<raylu>hm... i just changed all the "s3_bios" lines to false.. hope that's not a terrible idea
11:06<Gun_Smoke>I don't know that much about the internal workings of it all.. Just how to google and take some good notes.. :)
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11:24<afurlan>I installed the KVM in a debian lenny machine
11:24<afurlan>and it's working but I can't create new machine using the paravirtualized mode
11:24<afurlan>does anyone know how can I enable it?
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11:42<raylu>Gun_Smoke: woo hoo. did a couple of things and one of them fixed my issue
11:42<raylu>Gun_Smoke: i noticed that those extra options that you omitted, when passed directly to pm-suspend, fixed the suspend issue. it seems that that variable is no longer in use, but i put it in the file anyway...
11:42<raylu>did a couple of other things
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11:43<raylu>and suspend works now. thanks for pointing me in the right direction
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11:56<Tuplad>whoa, setting up sound is soooo annoying! I restarted my pc and pulseaudio got retarded: the output device is "Dummy Output | Stereo"
11:56<Tuplad>anyone knows what to do about it?
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12:06<Tuplad>how do I configure sound in GNOME ?
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12:12<Tuplad>Could anyone help me out with PulseAudio ? I restarted the system and now the sound is set to "dummy output" and the module is "null".
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12:13<lsbrum>Tuplad: Why PulseAudio? Why not ALSA?
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12:14<Tuplad>lsbrum: because Gnome comes with Pulse... and alsa never works anyway.
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12:14<Tuplad>but hey, I'll be happy with whatever
12:14<Tuplad>as long as it works
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12:16<lsbrum>Tuplad: ALSA works for me.
12:16<Tuplad>lsbrum: mind sharing how you did it ?
12:17<lsbrum>Tuplad: Pulse is "fake" sound system. Pulse needs alsa.
12:17<Tuplad>lsbrum: alsa always workd for half for me... if I played music, then I wouldn't be able to hear music in my browser (flash player)
12:17<lsbrum>Tuplad: alsaconf
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12:18<Tuplad>lsbrum: don't have it
12:18<Tuplad>lsbrum: do I need alsa-oss?
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12:18<lsbrum>Tuplad: maybe.
12:18<Tuplad>lsbrum: what does it depend on ?
12:18<lsbrum>Tuplad: wait 1 sec.
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12:19<chealer>wah, 421 people. it seems the crowd here increased a bit
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12:27<Tuplad>lsbrum: deleted all pulseaudio packages and installed alsa, I guess it needs to be configured now ?
12:27<lsbrum>Maybe alsa-utils package..
12:27<lsbrum>alsaconf for now..
12:27<Tuplad>lsbrum: alsaconf has been removed from alsa-utils
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12:28<lsbrum>Tuplad: dpkg-reconfigure alsa or alsa-utils
12:28<Tuplad>lsbrum: did
12:29<Tuplad>lsbrum: but alsaconf has been removed from alsa-utils, a while ago...
12:29<Tuplad>lsbrum: not by me, obviously :D
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12:29<lsbrum>Tuplad: # gpasswd -a audio tuplad
12:30<lsbrum>Tuplad: # update-rc.d alsa start defaults
12:30<Tuplad>lsbrum: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/alsa: file does not exist
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12:31<lsbrum>find /etc/init.d/ -iname "*alsa*"
12:31<Tuplad>lsbrum: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
12:31<lsbrum>Tuplad: paste lspci on my pvt
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12:32<lsbrum>Tuplad: To see which sound board you have.
12:33<Tuplad>lsbrum: 00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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12:37<lsbrum>Tuplad: modprobe snd_hda_intel
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12:38<Tuplad>lsbrum: I did restart alsa and I got this back: Shutting down ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1502: No soundcards found...'...failed.
12:38<Tuplad>it can't even find a soundcard it seems... but everything worked perfect just today...
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12:38<lsbrum>Tuplad: # grep -Rils snd_hda_intel /etc/
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12:39<lsbrum>Tuplad: To find if this module is blacklisted
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12:39<Tuplad>lsbrum: did it, no return
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12:42<Tuplad>lsbrum: any ideas ? :p
12:42<Tuplad>lsbrum: maybe just wipe all sound config files and restart machine ?
12:43<Tuplad>lsbrum: or like, wipe them all, then reconfigure the packages so the default settings go back ?
12:43<lsbrum>Tuplad: add snd_hda_intel on /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.d/modules.conf and reboot
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12:43<lsbrum>Tuplad: maybe
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12:43<Tuplad>lsbrum: in /etc/modules there's a line with "loop"
12:43<Tuplad>lsbrum: should I delete it, or add hda_intel before/after it ?
12:44<lsbrum>Tuplad: after
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12:44<lsbrum>Tuplad: and reboot
12:44<Tuplad>lsbrum: roger that, brb
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12:49<Tuplad>lsbrum: it looks much better now, I can access sound settings perfectly etc. but still no sound :D
12:50<Tuplad>lsbrum: oh, smart me!
12:50<Tuplad>lsbrum: forgot to turn on my speakers :p
12:50<Tuplad>lsbrum: it works now, awesome! thanks
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12:53<lsbrum>Im happy for you.
12:53<lsbrum>Tuplad: Sorry for bad English, i am from Brasil.
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12:53<Tuplad>lsbrum: well, I'm a Russian from Belgium, so I guess it's no problem haha
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13:01<dpkg>< cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help
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13:09<geckos>anyone want to teach how to build a live cd from scratch? (:
13:11<geckos>all i want is mount a core system on ram and play on bash.. but just found floopy howto's
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13:11<Tuplad>geckos: slax offers you the ability to build your live cd and then download it as ISO, so does SuSE Studio :D
13:12<Xenguy>geckos: have you checked ?
13:12<Xenguy>geckos: yeah, but this is #debian, yes? =)
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13:13<Xenguy>Tuplad: ^^^^
13:13<Tuplad>Xenguy: well, let's not be THAT closed minded... I just pointed it out, he didn't specifically mention he wanted debian, I mean, this is just another linux channel isn't it ?
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13:14<Xenguy>Tuplad: no, this is clearly #debian (or perhaps I am hallucinating?) :P
13:14<Tuplad>Xenguy: debian is linux, agree?
13:14<lsbrum>Tuplad: Debian is best choice anyway :P
13:14<panthera>geckos: you don't need to build it yourself; what you want is
13:14<Tuplad>lsbrum: :D
13:14<Xenguy>Tuplad: debian is a specific subset of linux, and this channel targets that subset :-)
13:15<Tuplad>Xenguy: indeed... but like I said, he didn't specifically mention debian, and live cd is another broad subject.
13:16<Xenguy>Tuplad: clearly if someone asks in #debian (as opposed to ##linux), then the advice sought is implicitly debian advice...
13:16<Xenguy>Tuplad: now that we've beaten that horse to death ;-)
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13:16<panthera>geckos: first, don't msg for non-private things.
13:16<Tuplad>Xenguy: well yeah :p no problems
13:16<panthera>geckos: seconds, then visit and start reading.
13:17<Xenguy>Tuplad: aye, all is well
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13:18<geckos>panthera.. ty
13:19<geckos>ty guys
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14:10<Gun_Smoke>raylu: cool..
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14:35<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 255 (2009-11-04).
14:35<dpkg><asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off
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14:41<dpkg><felix_187> abrotman: presuming everything worked correctly, how could i get my wireless working?
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14:50<faheem>Nemoder: yes, extensive correspondence
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14:52<faheem>Anyone interested in the bug report filed yesterday -
14:52<faheem>sney: see above
14:52<faheem>Hideo: see above
14:52<faheem>cockroach not here it seems
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14:53<faheem>abrotman neither
14:54<Hideo>faheem: ah, thank you, sry I wasn't here earlier
14:54<faheem>they are looking for testers, so if you are seeing an error about rred, this is your bug. :-)
14:54<faheem>Hideo: can you still reproduce? gone at my end
14:55<Hideo>faheem: yes, I'm very fertile =P , seriously, apt works fine now
14:55<faheem>the apt people responded in record time
14:55<faheem>Hideo: ok
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14:56<faheem>i'd have thought they could reproduce creating an artificial apt repos, since they seem to know what is causing it...
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14:58<Hideo>faheem: there seems to be a patch out
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14:58<faheem>Hideo: right. they want to test it though
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15:03<faheem>Nemoder: if you can still reproduce it, can you test it?
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15:09<matth>hi folks
15:09<matth>I'm stuck on a console, no Xorg anymore on my dell/Intel GM945 laptop
15:10<matth>since last upgrade apparently (squeeze)
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15:10<matth>there's something cheesy I guess with the way X handles MTRR registers
15:11<matth>like a regression in xserver-xorg-video-intel. I remember seing a lot of those mtrr bugs reports.
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15:11<matth>anybody in the same case ?
15:12<matth>or having a GM945 Intel graphic card with a working 2:2.9.0-1 driver ?
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15:13<matth>browsing for a workaround on text mode is sucky :(
15:13<locklace>there's always vesa
15:13<matth>nope there's not.
15:14<matth>vesa/fbdev, they won't work too. Blank screen at X startup.
15:14<matth>I just can hit Control-Alt-Fx and Control-C the server
15:14<matth>but still I can mplayer -vo svga fine in a console !
15:14<matth>that's really intrigating
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15:15<matth>I'm really interested to see the /proc/mtrr of a working laptop
15:15<matth>having the same card
15:15<matth>because I think there's a missing one, and if I mannualy add it, X removes it.
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15:16<matth>still I'm wondering if 0xc0000000 as base address has a meaning on a 1gig ram system.
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15:17<locklace>what kernel version
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15:24<matth>any hint for a better place like an xorg/intel channel ?
15:24<sney>dpkg might know
15:24<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
15:24<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. #xorg on
15:24<sney>^ thar she blows
15:24<locklace>matth: #debian-x. let us know how it goes
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15:30<bighornram>Should I get some kind of confirmation of a bug submitted with Reportbug?
15:30<faheem>bighornram: yes
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15:34<marcreichelt>hi there!
15:35<marcreichelt>I am looking for a download link to the initrd.img-<kernelversion> file for the Debian Armel architecture
15:36<marcreichelt>(for Debian Lenny)
15:36<marcreichelt>does anyone know where I can get this file from, or at least the package it is in?
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15:38<faheem>marcreichelt: presumably a kernel package. why?
15:39<faheem>i'd start with
15:39<faheem>actually aptitude search or apt-cache search + aptitude download would be faster
15:40<marcreichelt>faheem: I need to download it from any Linux system ;)
15:40<faheem>marcreichelt: don't follow
15:41<Titan8990>faheem, sounds like he needs to fetch it from another machine and then move it to his debian machine
15:41<kop>marcreichelt: The x86 linux-images packages generate their initramfs on package install. Presumably the em stuff would be generated during the cross compliation step?
15:41<marcreichelt>I am setting up a Linux system for a microcontroller on Armel architecture
15:41<marcreichelt>this one:
15:41<faheem>marcreichelt: i see
15:41<Titan8990>marcreichelt, wouldn't you want to compile your own minimal as possible kernel?
15:42<marcreichelt>and in order to set up the file system etc. I need an emulated Armel system in QEMU, that is where I need the kernel image and the initrd.img files
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15:43<marcreichelt>I am already finished with this, but now I am writing a manual on it - and last time I copied the initrd file from the installed emulated system, which wasn't easy ;)
15:45<kop>marcreichelt: You might want to poke around on the wiki. See:
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15:45<marcreichelt>kop: I already used that one
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15:46<kop>marcreichelt: Just what are you documenting? If it's the install process wouldn't that already be done as part of the debian installation manual for the arch?
15:47<marcreichelt>kop: I am writing a manual about setting up a complete Debian Linux specificially for the microcontroller I am using
15:47<marcreichelt>based on Lenny
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15:47<Woet>I have a 17 GB file (according to ls -la), but when I download it over apache it somehow trunks it to 1.4 GB
15:47<marcreichelt>and as well as are older
15:48<Titan8990>Woet, is it text? do you have http compression enabled?
15:48<Woet>it's a .tar and it's on the default apache settings
15:49<Oiric>how do i find the (if there is any) netinstall version of Debian Sqeeze ?
15:49<Titan8990>Woet, does it contain something weird like a virtual hard disc?
15:49<kop>marcreichelt: It seems to me that coyping the initrd from your emulated system shouldn't be hard. Wouldn't you just tell your system to make a package with make-kpkg and use that package to install your kernel?
15:49<Titan8990>well... whats in it?
15:49<Woet>many little files
15:49<Woet>such as .cfg and .txt
15:50<kop>marcreichelt: (Or, considering it's an embedded system there should be a way to cross-comple to make the package as part of the armel toolset -- somewhere.)
15:50<kop>Oiric: At
15:51<Oiric>kop: Only found the "Stable" version
15:51<kop>Woet: Apache comes with defaults that limit upload size.
15:51<Woet>well, it's a download
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15:51<Woet>and how would I increase that limit?
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15:52<Woet>I read something about 'LimitRequestBody', but it's not the limit that causes this
15:52<kop>Oiric: Isn't there an advanced option when you run it that lets you choose a different release? There should also be a debian-installer page with the latest installer, somewhere, that installs squeeze by default.
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15:53<kop>Woet: You don't download with apache.
15:53<patrikf>kop: there isn't. there's the experimental installer, but the usual way to install testing is to use stable installation media
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15:53<Oiric>kop: yeah i was just linked to that page
15:53<kop>patrikf: And then upgrade, or just tell the installer to install testing?
15:54<patrikf>then upgrade
15:54<Woet>kop: then what would be the fastest way to have this file download automated (one command, no user input)
15:54<Oiric>i ran that upgrade thingy last night, and it was quite scary
15:54<Oiric>i've never tried Debian before..
15:54<adb>Oiric, for 32 bit ?
15:54<patrikf>if you find anything about debian scary, don't use testing or unstable.
15:54<kop>patrikf: I must be confusing it with the option to install an older release, which I've done with newer installers before testing goes stable.
15:54<Oiric>adb: 64bit would be prefered
15:55<adb>not 64bit yet
15:55<kop>Woet: wget or curl with cron?
15:55<Woet>I did wget, kop
15:55<Woet>but like I said, apache limits it to 1.4 GB
15:55<Oiric>patrikf: when i used stable it didn't get the latest version of some programs
15:56<adb>Oiric, found , sorry
15:56<patrikf>Oiric: of what programs did you *need* the latest versions?
15:56<Oiric>and emesene and xchat i think
15:56<kop>Woet: How do you know it's apache? Check the logs, and run wget with a verbose option.
15:56<Woet>because it does the same in firefox, opera, chrome and IE
15:57<Woet>on different servers, different OSes
15:57<kop>Woet: Over your own network or via the net?
15:57<Woet>via the net, but also internal network
15:57<marcreichelt>kop: I already use cross compiling for the kernel and for compiling programs
15:58<Oiric>patrikf: would you recommend installing the stable version and then updating or using the debian-installer?
15:59<marcreichelt>you just need the emulated system for debootstrap
15:59<Woet>bah, i'll do it using rsync
15:59<marcreichelt>trust me, I already tried it many times ;)
15:59<kop>Woet: In that case use scp.
16:00<marcreichelt>Woet: I had the same problem with Apache a few years ago
16:00<marcreichelt>can you try a different example?
16:00<kop>marcreichelt: I think you've exhausted my knowledge. I'd expect there'd a debian way to make packages along with the cross compliation. But that's a guess. Regardless, you should be able to make packages once you've got a running system -- but that seems strange on a teeny box.
16:00<marcreichelt>e.g. create a new file with 7 GB from /dev/urandom and try to download that
16:01<kop>Woet: You're sure it's not your isp doing strange packet shaping?
16:01<bighornram>I can't seem to get reportbug to submit a bug. What would be the correct thing to put into the MTA request in the setup wizard?
16:02<kop>bighornram: The first step is to install an mta on your box (I prefer postfix, ymmv) and make sure you can send mail using something like the mail command.
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16:03<Aleric>googleearth stopped working :( (debian testing)
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16:03<Aleric>I get a gray rectangle instead of the map graphics
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16:05<marcreichelt>kop: could it be that the initrd.img file is not provided in any package, but generated in the target system?
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16:07<bighornram>Isn't Exim an mta?
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16:08<marcreichelt>Woet: for me, different files than the one I tried to download worked
16:09<marcreichelt>which was very strange, because then there may be a bug in Apache with certain file contents
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16:11<anonissimus>any suggestions on a live cd I could use
16:11<anonissimus>that will work with a raid setup
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16:11<faheem>anonissimus: what kind of raid?
16:12<faheem>software or hardware?
16:12<anonissimus>fasttrack s150
16:12<faheem>anonissimus: is the driver in the default linux kernel?
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16:13<anonissimus>I have no clue, I've been trying to get this to boot and it just keeps halting on me
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16:14<faheem>anonissimus: trying to get what to boot?
16:14<faheem>i mean, what OS
16:15<faheem>or live cd
16:15<anonissimus>well this is a server I got that has been seized from a company
16:15<anonissimus>and I have to get data from the array
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16:15<anonissimus>so I tried with rescuecd, hiren's, knoppix
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16:16<faheem>anonissimus: oh, i see
16:16<faheem>grmbl or somesuch?
16:16<faheem>really, i'd check whether the raid card is supported first
16:16<anonissimus>it appears to be
16:17<anonissimus>I found some posts on suse people useing it
16:17<Virca1020>Does the new kde allow desktop icons to be constrained to one desktop out of several?
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16:17<faheem>anonissimus: where does it halt?
16:18<Virca1020>Also is there a known problem with the ath5k module with MSI routers?
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16:20<anonissimus>burning grml now
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16:25<faheem>anonissimus: disclaimer. no idea if it will work, but heard good things about it, and the lead dev seems clueful and a nice guy
16:25<faheem>also, they use mercurial, which shows good taste :-)
16:25<faheem>anonissimus: if it doesn't work, you could try asking them for help
16:26<anonissimus>I thought this would be like sliced cake, take cd, reset pw, done
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16:26<anonissimus>now I'm doing 2h overtime
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16:26<anonissimus>and it still isn't looking like fixed
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16:29<faheem>anonissimus: what os was that machine running?
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16:29<anonissimus>win server 2003
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16:29<kurumin>Brasil yes
16:30<faheem>anonissimus: hmm. and you can't boot the installed OS and bypass the authentication?
16:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:31<anonissimus>faheem: no you need to reset the local admin passwd
16:31<faheem>kurumin: see above
16:31<anonissimus>but there is no way to do that
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16:31<faheem>anonissimus: i see
16:31<faheem>in linux you can reset root fairly easily
16:31<anonissimus>unless you have some insane google skills and I missed out on how to reset win2003 passwords
16:31<anonissimus>yes indeed
16:31<anonissimus>if I could just mount this disk
16:31<faheem>anonissimus: dunno, have you asked around?
16:31<anonissimus>then I could go to the sam file and kicked this admin account out
16:32<anonissimus>everyone says, use a cd to reset the pw
16:32<faheem>anonissimus: yes, if you know where to look
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16:35<Wilthril>salut à tous
16:35<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
16:36<Wilthril>sorry wrong channel :)
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16:37<Wilthril>do you know if there is a debian-based distro (like ubuntu) which main window manager is KDE? kubuntu doesn't do the trick...
16:38<locklace>what's wrong with installing debian and kde
16:38<sney>there's even a disc that installs kde as the default
16:38<kurumin>Alguem entende português
16:38<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:39<Titan8990>there is even a separate debian kde project
16:39<Wilthril>so you mean that debian with kde is as stable as debian with gnome?
16:39<sney>I haven't used it personally, but it would have to in order to qualify for the 'stable' release
16:39<Titan8990>imo kde in itself its not entirely stable, but otherwise yes
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16:42<Wilthril>i'm asking this because i've used kubuntu for some time, but it seems to have bugs the mainstream KDE doesn't have, and i'm used to debian and debian-based distros
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16:44<locklace>you can join #debian-kde to ask detailed questions if you want
16:45<Wilthril>thanks locklace but talk about trolling when i ask if gnome is as stable as kde :p
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16:49<Nemoder>faheem: nope, looks like it was fixed with the latest squeeze update
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16:50<faheem>Nemoder: ok. those diffs are pretty transient
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16:50<faheem>either that, or someone intervened manually
16:50<faheem>the diff was probably corrupt/an error
16:50<Nemoder>yeah, good to know it wasn't on my end at least :)
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16:53<RaphaelBossek>hi, any ATI users running fglrx 9-10 together with 7.4 xorg here ?
16:54<RaphaelBossek>I'm not able to setup my X with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg / Xorg -configure
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16:55<valdyn>!tell RaphaelBossek -about ask
16:55<valdyn>ops, sorry
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16:56<Gilmar>Boa tarde
16:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:56<sney>hue hue hue, etc.
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16:58<RaphaelBossek>I've a problem with fglrx 9-10 (ATI driver). I'm running debian testing. Starting Xorg -configure ends with backtrace.
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17:00<RaphaelBossek>I'm runing Debian testing; Is it possible to restart X configuration with dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ? I'm not able to do this with version 1:7.4+4 of the xserver-xorg package...
17:01<valdyn>RaphaelBossek: dpkg-reconfigure X does nothing, intentionally
17:01<david77gon>some one speack spanish?
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17:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:02<Nemoder>RaphaelBossek: the xorg.conf isn't needed anymore, if you have one with problems just remove it
17:04<faheem>Nemoder: it isn't used?
17:04<Nemoder>it is used if it is there
17:04<Nemoder>but it tries to autodetect everything if it is not
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17:12<faheem>Nemoder: ok, thanks
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17:16<dpkg><nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage
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17:17<dpkg><SquireCD> deb unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do?
17:18<macravin>dpkg: you don't mean like 3rd or 4th grade do you?
17:18<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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17:19<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:19<faheem>what do qotd0 and flw mean?
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17:19<faheem>equivalently, do?
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17:22<anonissimus>faheem: just great, I manage to remove the system password
17:23<faheem>anonissimus: excellent. so grml worked for you then?
17:23<faheem>anonissimus: have a nice evening
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17:23<anonissimus>you to
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17:25<anonissimus>well mr t was so bright to make me realize I could circumvene the raid system
17:25<darion>does anybody know how to close socket left over from a terminated program, that listens to port (via udp).
17:25<anonissimus>which I did and which made me able to reset the system admin passwd
17:26<anonissimus>but now I can't boot in the no AD mode
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17:28<locklace>darion: if it's still in listen state, the process hasn't really terminated
17:31<darion>locklace: netstat -a -n -l -p returns me "udp 0 0* - " // so there is no PID and I can't kill the process
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17:32<locklace>darion: did you run that as root?
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17:33<darion>locklace: yes "# whoami root "
17:34<locklace>darion: what about "lsof -iUDP"?
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17:34<bja>afaik netstat will not return you any PID
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17:35<locklace>netstat -p
17:36<bja>Sorry, missed that one at the end
17:36<darion>"lsof -iUDP" retruned me a lot of programs that listens to differend ports, but no one listens to 5555 or 5556
17:38<locklace>darion: what kernel version
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17:38<darion>Linux darion 2.6.28-darion #1 SMP Mon Jun 15 19:46:33 EEST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
17:38<locklace>well, not a debian kernel
17:39<locklace>are you doing anything weird with your stack? iptables or anything else
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17:40<darion>no, no iptables, no iproute2 on my desktop
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17:40<locklace>what happens if you actually send a udp packet to that port
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17:42<darion>echo "hi" | nc -u localhost 5555 -- nothing it just waits for something
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17:43*bja suspects the port is down
17:44<locklace->darion: can you paste "cat /proc/net/udp" at
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17:51<locklace->darion: which of those sockets fail to be associated with a program under netstat -p or lsof run as root?
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17:54<darion>locklace: "udp 0 0* - " "udp 0 0* - " Actually I don't know, I can't understand what /proc/net/udp returned to me
17:56<locklace->can you paste output of lsof -iUDP run as root
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17:58<locklace->is darion uid 1000?
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17:59<locklace->any idea what program run as darion created those sockets in the first place?
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18:00<darion>wine 1.1.12 compiled from source
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18:00<locklace->and no wine stuff is running now?
18:01<darion>yep, can't run any
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18:01<locklace->can you kill x and check again?
18:01<darion>kill all X ?
18:01<darion>ok, I'll try now
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18:05<darion>udp 0 0* - Still there, it will be better to reboot becouse a lot of troubles after X restart
18:06<locklace->ok. i'd say you've hit a kernel bug. next step is to try a current kernel version
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18:06<darion>I'll install 2.6.31 if few days
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18:07<locklace->.31.5 is a good choice in this case
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18:13<philippe_>how can i know what debian version I am using ,
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18:14<locklace>cat /etc/debian_version or lsb_release -a
18:14<anonissimus>what is the right way to look for files of a certain extension
18:14<anonissimus>lets say .txt in /temp/
18:14<locklace>if you use zsh, find is superfluous
18:14<locklace>find /temp -name '*.txt'
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18:16<VelvetElvis>anyone have any idea why I'd be getting "PHP: Error parsing /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini on line 36" in the apache error log when line 36 of php.ini is one of the ones commented out?
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18:16<llimeht>anonissimus: or if you are looking only in /temp/ just "ls /temp/*txt"
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18:36<user_name>hi. so i had two computers on a LAN (connected via eth0 on both boxes) and one with a second interface (eth1) connected to net. the two computers could see each other. the one acting as a router could access the net. then i ran the commands "iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING DROP" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" , and edited the /etc/sysctl.conf on the router box to enable ip forwarding. then i ran "route add
18:36<user_name>default gw <>" on the other machine on the LAN. now the two machines on the LAN cannot see each other but the router can still access the net. anyone see what i did wrong?
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18:36<ichdasich>user_name: just editing /etc/sysctl.conf doesn't set the values instantly
18:36<user01>hi so i have a /etc/network/interfaces list with a bunch of wifi spots around town, all but one of them # out would there be a way at boot to select the one i want from a menu like grub?
18:37<user_name>ichdasich: i dont follow
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18:38<ichdasich>user_name: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
18:38<user01>eh ill have to ask again some other time gotta go to a meeting
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18:39<user_name>ichdasich: 0
18:39<ichdasich>user_name: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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18:39<ichdasich>user_name: and then retry
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18:41<user_name>ichdasich: still 0
18:42<ichdasich>sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 ?
18:43<user_name>ichdasich: error: 'net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' is an unknown key
18:43<ichdasich>wait a second.
18:44<ichdasich>uname -a
18:46<user_name>sysctl 'net.ipv4.ip_forward' returns 'net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0'
18:46<user_name>just a sec
18:46<ichdasich>yeah, and with sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 (see: no '...' there)
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18:47<user_name>there wasn
18:47<ichdasich>user_name: k, cause you pasted it with ''
18:47<user_name>is there a way to do this without using sysctl
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18:48<ichdasich>user_name: yeah, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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18:50<bja>user_name: are you using a crossed net cable or a bridge?
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18:50<user_name>a switch i believe
18:50<ichdasich>bja: he mentioned, that those two boxes can ping each other.
18:51<bja>ichdasich: ok
18:51<user_name>something strange is happening
18:51<ichdasich>but it sounds quiet obvious to me, if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 0.
18:51<ichdasich>bja: you're running debian, you are running the default-kernel?
18:52<user_name>i'm using nedit to check the contents of the file and edit it manually with the file open. every time i enter 1 on the line, i get a popup saying that the file has been edited by another program and it asks me if i want to reload or dismiss
18:52<user_name>some file is editing the file if i change it to 1
18:52<user_name>*some process
18:52<ichdasich>i'll get a smoke.
18:53<ichdasich>user_name: and you just type: `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward` on your CLI. No editor. nothing. don't use the ``.
18:53<ichdasich>user_name: and: be root
18:54<user_name>...that's what i'm doing. i'm saying, there is something reverting any change i make to the file.
18:54<Hideo>network manager?
18:55<ichdasich>user_name: then: wtf is nedit?
18:55<user_name>an editing ap
18:55<ichdasich>user_name: and it is currently open, yeah?
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18:55<user_name>i was just checking to see if it made a difference
18:56<user_name>that's when i got the message about another program changing the file while nedit had it open
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18:58<ichdasich>user_name: so.. first... the output of uname -a
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19:02<Hideo>I don't think he wants to tell
19:03<ichdasich>Hideo: ack. got sort of an idea, what we'd see there.
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19:16<|kardan|>.. on installing epiphany-browser
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19:37<dserban>what package(s) provide a daemon(service) to manage multiple workstations (cfengine==too much), mainly things like, I'd like to run a command like "workstations --ips= --command='ifconfig|grep HWaddr'" ... does anything like that exist? If it does, I can't find it in the repo.
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19:39<babilen>dserban: C3 cluster suite maybe?
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19:40<dserban>cluster suite huh? I'll go look it up.
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19:41<Hideo>dserban: apt-cache search ssh cluster
19:42<babilen>dserban: That particular tool is not packaged in Debian ASAIK. But there might be others ... Try Hideo's approach.
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19:42<dserban>babilen: Gotcha, seems Hideo hit it on the head. Danke.
19:43<babilen>dserban: What do you need exactly? Just a tool to run commands on multiple nodes, or something a little more powerful?
19:44<dserban>babilen: well kind of a hybrid, but the first option is where I need to start.
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19:45<dserban>I don't need to distribute processes, just manage 500+ debian stations. Since it's not a homogenous set of clients, it'll only apply to lowest common denominator.
19:46<dkr>dserban: perhaps use puppet?
19:46<babilen>dserban: And cfsuite does not fit your needs? What about FAI?
19:47<dserban>dkr: will puppet allow me to query simple things like grep a certain string in each workstation's syslog?
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19:48<dserban>babilen: well not necessarily, it's not that it doesn't suit my needs, but setup seems horrendous. I've got 2 hours :).
19:48<dkr>dserban: at it's core I think it just runs commands on sets of systems and also adds revision control for config changes. I just learned o fit myself, though. (the nylug was talking about doing a presentation on it)
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19:49<babilen>dserban: Ah. time constraints. Yes, IIRC cfengine setup is not that easy...
19:49<dserban>dkr: revision control... that sounds seksi.
19:49<dserban>babilen: though I did find dish, i'm trying it out now.
19:49<Hideo>can you set up sshd for 500+ stations in 2 hours?
19:50<dkr>dserban: you've got 2 hours to set up a central management system for a 500 systems?
19:50<kooll>that's easy. First, invent a time machine. ;)
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19:50<dkr>and clone yourself. ;)
19:50<dserban>Hideo: these systems are already up and running... with sshd ... have been for 2 years :). I just hate using my own hand-rolled "no password" keys with ssh to automate simple tasks.
19:51<kooll>dserban: so, deploy a real central management system
19:51<babilen>dkr: Yes, get a master-dserban and clone multiple worker-dserban's :-)
19:51<dserban>dkr: hah, well it's the time I've set out because rolling out lenny just happened, and I'm tidying up the image to upgrade all of the systems from etch.
19:52<dserban>dkr: I should've said... rolling out the primary image is almost there. Just wanted to add a few tidbits to make my life easier.
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19:54<dserban>kooll: wasn't part of the original deal, when I'm done this I move on to multi homed routers... that's gonna eat up time and frustrate me to no end... bgp is a bitch. (well for the uninitiated, last time I touched it was 3 years ago I think)
19:54<dserban>anyhoo, I gotta run and plow through this
19:54<dserban>thanks all
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19:55<kooll>dserban: well, you need more time. a way to get more time, is to take less time managing things. Which is why you need a central management system.
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19:56<dserban>kooll: yep, though a light version is a good start. cfengine's on my list of todos ... no time right now though.
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19:56<Rhapsody>aptitude has just told me that gvfs has been changed in an incompatible way and I need to restart my session or bad things will happen. This seems a bit rude, as I'm in the middle of doing things right now. Can I just ignore it?
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19:57<kooll>dserban: take the time. you will regret later if you don't do it now
19:58<dserban>kooll: it's been busted for a loooong time like this... I wrote my own scripts to handle the load... I just hate them, are a security risk ... and I figured there's gotta be a better way to do it.
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19:58<kooll>dserban: read what I say. "Take the time". Seriously.
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20:00<Rhapsody>Yes, no need to hurry. gvfs is saying I need to quit now or my applications will start crashing, that's all.
20:00<dserban>Rhapsody: hah, well simply just my opinion but aptitude is ... a rude menstrual episode half the time. "I want to remove this because... well .. it's not pretty .. it depends on stuff and... well it's just making me feel fat and dirty... remove it OR ELSE" :P
20:01<dserban>kooll: well I have a deadline, i'll do it, just not now.
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20:01<kooll>dserban: deadlines are fluid. As a sysadmin, you should realize this :)
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20:02<Rhapsody>It's not saying it wants to remove gvfs, it's saying it's upgraded it and changed it in an incompatible way that will make my applications start crashing if I don't restart. That sounds more serious, but I'm not even sure if I use gvfs.
20:03<dserban>kooll: I do realize it :S.
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20:07<Rhapsody>Well I still don't know if the GVFS thing is worth worrying about or not.
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20:11<Rhapsody>I don't know if I'm using GVFS, I don't know which (if any) of my applications make use of it, I don't know how seriously to take the error it's produces, and I don't know which parts of my system need to be restarted in order restart GVFS itself.
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20:21<Rhapsody>Is anyone out there?
20:21<kooll>no, you are alone, in the dark.
20:22<Rhapsody>If the above qualifies as support, I really am alone.
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20:32<Rhapsody>Right, I'm going to assume I don't need to restart and come back here to hurl vicious insults at everyone if it turns out I was wrong.
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20:35<babilen>Rhapsody: GVFS == gnome virtual fs?
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20:35<babilen>Rhapsody: And what is the error it produces?
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20:36<Rhapsody>babilen: Now simply GVFS, and this is the error:
20:37<Rhapsody>It doesn't look like a minor thing to me. Five lines, an ASCII box, and capital letters make me think it's a big one.
20:37<abrotman>Rhapsody: i trst the DD enough to restart
20:37<babilen>Rhapsody: Just restart gnome. You are running Ubuntu?
20:37<abrotman>Rhapsody: obviously, you can ignore it, but don't complain if things start crashing
20:37<Rhapsody>No, I just keep using their pastebin. Also, weirdly enough, I use KDE.
20:38<babilen>Rhapsody: The warning asks you to restart. *Not* restarting might cause harm (ie. crashing applications that still rely on the old gvfs)
20:38<Rhapsody>That's why it confused me.
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20:39<Rhapsody>Well that at least answers my question. I can live with GTK+ apps crashing, I'll restart if it happens. Thanks.
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21:00<goatkeeper>Hey, anybody around? I Debian better than Ubuntu?
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21:00<abrotman>install them both, decide for yourself
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21:03<goatkeeper>I did. I have Xubuntu on an i386, and Lenny on an iBook 500mhz. But I'm getting a HP with a 2.0 Celeron. It needs work, but I'm asking around for opinions on which one I should use. Ubuntu seems easier.
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21:04<abrotman>so use that .. it's up to you, no one can decide for you
21:04<goatkeeper>Are you a Debian guy? Why?
21:05<abrotman>because Ubuntu doesn't offer anything i need
21:05<dr|z3d>goatkeeper: If you want a more consumer level experience, choose Ubuntu; if you want the home DIY hacker experience, choose Debian.
21:06<abrotman>goatkeeper: If I didn't get what I wanted from Debian, I would look for another distro .. Debian does everything I've asked it to, and more
21:06<franki^>what doesn't ubuntu offer? (apart from working packages :P)
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21:07<user_name>does ip forwarding need to be enabled for NAT to work?
21:07<dr|z3d>frank: Ubuntu offers everything Debian offers, +-, and less.
21:07<goatkeeper>I want something that works. They both work. I like the Debian philosophy GNU. But they share the modular thing. Debian is more correct, if you know what I mean.
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21:08<abrotman>goatkeeper: so install Debian .. jeez ..
21:08<franki^>dr|z3d: yeah, i was a long-time ubuntu user, in fact i just tried going back with karmic, but, erm, i'm a little bitter about that experience
21:08<goatkeeper>Why make it that simple?
21:08<franki^>i'd never seen a kernel panic before :P
21:08*babilen thinks it is great that the next ubuntu release is based on testing. That will be great for Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Flimsy Fox (or whatever it is called)
21:09<abrotman>babilen: that's because they intend it to be the LTS release AIUI .. i get the feeling they'll be back to unstable soon after
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21:09<goatkeeper>It's true the names are kind of silly. Jaunty Jackalop, or whatever, and the others.
21:10<babilen>abrotman: Yes, that might be true. We will see...
21:10<franki^>heh, debian's naming scheme isn't too great either though
21:10<abrotman>goatkeeper: so do you have a Debian question ?
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21:11<goatkeeper>If I ask you a Debian question, you'll answer it and ruin my hacker experience. I'm interested in philosophy right now. Have you ever had Debian ruin a file?
21:12<dr|z3d>goatkeeper: for all your philosophical musings, /join #debian-offtopic :)
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21:14<goatkeeper>Come on. Have you? I never had to control L in X or Ubuntu, but I have in Debian.
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21:16<franki^>i've never had a kernel panic with debian, i have with ubuntu :>
21:16<franki^>(but, don't get me wrong, i love both distros)
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21:18<goatkeeper>Yes, it's not big things. But Debian seems more sever procedurally. Lack of redundancy? My iBook is running on 2g of system, less probably if you count in the rest of the swap. Ubuntu is much bigger.
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21:19<FromTO>I have 64 bit system and a jav jar file. I am trying to do a java -jar on the file but nothing seems to happen it just hangs. I install sun-java6. Any help will be greatly appreciated
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21:24<calam>when is the new stable version??
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21:24<babilen>calam: When it is ready ;-)
21:24<abrotman>calam: lenny has been released
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21:26<goatkeeper>More particular. In synaptic Ikeyd is called "Dangerous" if used in anything other than 2001 iBook. Any iBook guys know why? It don't go into detail. Mine's a 2003. I really want a right click. I hate mouses.
21:26<calam>to which you refer to "release"
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21:28<kernelParty>!seen ajavid
21:28<dpkg>i haven't seen 'ajavid', kernelParty
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21:29<jpinx-eeepc>kernelParty: try his other nicks ;)
21:30<kernelParty>jpinx-eeepc: like what nick? lol
21:31<kernelParty>!seen stoned
21:31<dpkg>i haven't seen 'stoned', kernelParty
21:31<jpinx-eeepc>and there's another, but I ca't remember
21:32<kernelParty>jpinx-eeepc: do you remember His ip address?
21:33<kernelParty>maybe my tools work for finder my son. lol
21:33<kernelParty>He is my son.
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21:35<felipe>e ae??
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21:37<abrotman>kernelParty: do you have a Debian question?
21:38<kernelParty>abrotman: for this time, No thank you. have a nice day.
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21:48<goatkeeper>What do you think, abrotman, should I load "ikeyd" and see what happens? Debian is supposed to "support" PPC, but I haven't seen much evidence of it.
21:48<abrotman>try #debianppc ?
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21:51<dondelelcaro>goatkeeper: it does support ppc...
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22:37<kevix>newbie question: dsl modem has syslog capabilities @, my server is at how to I get my server to get the syslog data from dsl modem. I assume its syslogd. not sure of the specific edits.
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