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00:10<franki^>hey, it's quiet in here right now..
00:10<limonensorbet>need some quick advice =/
00:10<franki^>i might be able to help, but i'm probably not as leet as you would have hoped :P
00:10<franki^>so, ask away
00:11<limonensorbet>i want to install a driver (fglrx) .. so far so good but apt suggests to install a package linux-image-2.6.26-2-486
00:11<limonensorbet>and I know that in my bootloader i have the -686 package
00:12<limonensorbet>what do I do
00:12<PovAddict>I don't see it depending on any kernel here
00:13<limonensorbet>it also wants to install a fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-486 , and theres a -686 version of it too
00:14<limonensorbet>should I just manually install the dependencies and then install the fglrx-driver ?
00:14<PovAddict>what's the package you want to install called?
00:14<PovAddict>"fglrx-driver" doesn't depend on any linux-image-
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00:14<limonensorbet>what does that mean in this case
00:14<PovAddict>that "apt suggests to install a package linux-image-2.6.26-2-486" I don't buy it :P
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00:15<PovAddict>what are you using to install it? apt-get?
00:15<limonensorbet>wait a second I will paste my apt output so you can see the message
00:17<PovAddict>it depends on fglrx-modules
00:17<PovAddict>fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-486 is just one of several packages that provides that
00:17<PovAddict>see what happens if you type apt-get install fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-686 fglrx-driver
00:17<limonensorbet>so .. install the -686 version of fglrx-modules and try again =
00:17<PovAddict>just to see what it says it will do, don't say "yes" when it asks for confirmation
00:17<limonensorbet>ok .. one moment
00:18<PovAddict>better do: apt-get -s install fglrx-modules-2.6.26-2-686 fglrx-driver
00:18<PovAddict>-s makes sure it won't actually install anything
00:19<limonensorbet>ok funny thing : it does not depend on linux-image
00:19<limonensorbet>your line worked ... going to do it now
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00:26<limonensorbet>I get a segfault when trying to configure the card ;( ... sucks
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02:00<defiant>is it a bad idea to have both stable and testing repos in my sources? i run testing, but need to get madwifi-source which is only in stable...
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02:02<jm_>defiant: yes, in that case you should get it from unstable
02:03<jm_>ahh no, it's not in unstable, but perhaps there's a replacement in the kernel and you no longer need it
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02:03<defiant>jm_ it seems to have been replaced with a new driver which is not working for me. would it be better to compile that module from source (svn) ?
02:04<defiant>ie from the site?
02:04<jm_>defiant: Use the ath5k or ath9k (802.11n) drivers instead.
02:04<jm_>defiant: which one did you try?
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02:05<defiant>jm_: ath5k is what i seem to be using already
02:05<defiant>however it is not picking up any signals
02:05<jm_>defiant: which card do you have?
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02:06<defiant>Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ (acording to lspci)
02:07<jm_>hmm it doesn't list it as supported
02:07<defiant>its strange because when i first installed the card it lspci listed the card as a AR5212/AR5213
02:08<jm_>ahh it's in the alias list
02:09<jm_>did you try a more recent kernel?
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02:09<defiant>jm_: yep i just upgraded the machine to 2.6.30
02:10<jm_>lspci -nn will get you a better result
02:10<jm_>which ID does it list?
02:11<defiant>Vyrus001:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01)
02:11<jm_>yeah it lists it as AR5212 and says OK for support
02:12<defiant>in ath5k or madwifi?
02:12<jm_>ath5k - hwo did you configure it?
02:13<defiant>ahh i have not configured it, it seemed to be allready there when i put the new pci card in. it shows up in iwconfig ifconfig etc. it just does not find any APs
02:14<jm_>try the steps here and also follow the Configure/How to use links:
02:14<defiant>jm_: ok thanks buddy i will give that a shot
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02:17<defiant>jm_: ok followed those steps and it seems to insert the module without any errors. however when i do a iwlist wlan0 scan it gives the result
02:17<defiant>"No scan results"
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02:39<JustSoul>Hello!! Script: Can somebody help me to correct it? I need "outside echo" echoing good result :)
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02:53<jm_>defiant: hmm I'm affraid this is where my knowledge stops, I never used wlan - just ask again, there are several people with more clues here
02:54<jm_>JustSoul: this is explained in ABS AFAIK
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02:57<JustSoul>jm_: eem.. where? :)
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02:58<dpkg>it has been said that abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on,
03:00<jm_>specifically here: -- Setting and manipulating variables in a subshell, then attempting to use those same variables ...
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03:00<JustSoul>jm_: thanks very much
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03:56<defiant>is there a way to use aptitude or dpkg to just purge and recreate the original config files for a package? (without purging the package and re-installing?)
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03:59<jm_>defiant: dpkg --force-help and use it with dpkg -i
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04:00<nowhere_man>hi all
04:00<nowhere_man>when my system is running Xen, I regularily experience freezes
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04:01<defiant>jm_: thanks. also got my ath5k going - am using it now! thanks!
04:01<nowhere_man>mostly it won't display anything after the screensaver, which makes me wonder if it has something to do with some power saving feature
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04:02<jm_>defiant: what did you have to do?
04:03<nowhere_man>nothing in the logs, would anyone see how I could have a clue about what's going on?
04:03<defiant>jm_: it seemed that the new kernel fixed my reception issues, i just had to move my antenna closer and try to scan again
04:03<defiant>jm_: gotta love wireless...
04:03<jm_>defiant: ahh
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04:24<ottoshmidt>anyone aware of that gnome-keybinding-properties won't launch in Squeeze fresh install
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04:46<comcast>debhelper: what is the server configuration for ubuntu repos
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04:47<locklace>!tell comcast about ubuntu
04:47<peej>nowhere_man, try removing the apm, or try apmsleeping to isolate the problem first.
04:48<ottoshmidt>the is known bug and as they say it's fixed but how do I resolve it anyway? -
04:49*locklace shakes fist. damn you 1998, you're supposed to be dead!
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05:24<rah>bash seems to have lost the ability to tab-complete filenames containing brackets or square brackets or other such things
05:25<rah>anybody know what this is about?
05:25<jm_>works fine for me in lenny
05:25<jm_>not that I use bash
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06:35<loolp>please maximize a virtual terminal and run: screen -S test -dm bash -c "read -t 2 -p '($COLUMNS*$LINES) how do I get current line at the top? '"; screen -dr test
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06:37<Ridikuel>Wie kann ich herausfinden, worauf mein Computer wartet, wenn er im top dauernd über 90%wa hat?
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06:50<timeoh>Hello everybody! How can you tell if a network interface is running in promiscious mode? (using tcpdump) thanks a lof
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06:55<Pitxyoki>************************* WARNING *************************
06:55<Pitxyoki>** The gvfs protocol has changed in an incompatible way. **
06:55<Pitxyoki>** You need to RESTART YOUR SESSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, **
06:55<Pitxyoki>** otherwise your applications will start crashing. **
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06:56<Pitxyoki>************************* WARNING *************************
06:57<Pitxyoki>** The gvfs protocol has changed in an incompatible way. **
06:57<petemc>Pitxyoki: stop that
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07:01<timeoh>tcpdump runs automatically in promisc mode. with the flag -p it is possible to capture the packets in "not" promisc mode
07:04<timeoh>i've skiped it in the manual
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07:10<jm_>timeoh: /sys/class/net/<device>/flags will tell you (but not in an obvious way) - let me verify
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07:11<jm_>right, if flags has 0x100 bit set it's in promisc mode.
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07:14<petemc>im not seeing any difference in the contents of that file when i toggle promisc mode
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07:14<timeoh>yes yes
07:14<timeoh>but there is a easier way
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07:15<timeoh>(debian systems)
07:16<timeoh>if promisc. is on there is the flag "PROMISC" set between the <...>
07:17<timeoh>yes its in promisc mode
07:17<timeoh>turn it off and there is no PROMISC
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07:18<jm_>interesting, ifconfig was the first thing I checked and it doesn't report it here
07:18<jm_>would expect it to do so if it knows other flags
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07:19<jm_>flags in sys should work because that's direct value of interface's flags field
07:20<timeoh>yes thanks a lot. no i can go ahead with my work ;)
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07:44<hippomikko>Hi ClamAV 0.95.2 seems to be outdated. And terminal tells me to upgrade to 0.95.3. I'm running on volatile in the sources list. Should a simple "apt-get upgrade clamav" do the trick or does it require some more manual work?
07:44<blackwall>i got a question
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07:46<blackwall>i m in a dormitory,and a we have a ticket-internet system which we buy a ticket monthly
07:47<blackwall>is anybody readin?
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07:47<blackwall>i see
07:48<dpkg>mikael: VATTENE VIA
07:48<blackwall>so we have dhcp server it gives ip s and stuff but i cant ping i cant connect anythin
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07:48<blackwall>when i install linux mint
07:48<blackwall>it recognize everytihn
07:49<blackwall>i just want to switch debian
07:49<blackwall>but this internet thing is a biggect problem
07:50<themill>hippomikko: see (you can probably presume that an updated package for volatile is on its way)
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07:57<hippomikko>themill, tnx :-) do you have any experience on how long that usually takes everytime ClamAV does an upgrade? How many weeks or months can one expect before running "apt-get upgrade clamav"?
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07:58<blackwall>noone here to help?
07:58<jm_>blackwall: did you check logs in debian?
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07:59<jm_>/var/log, also check network settings for working and non-working setup
08:00<blackwall>when i write ifconfig
08:00<themill>hippomikko: a few days is usual, but I don't know for sure. (btw it isn't "apt-get upgrade clamav" it should be "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade".
08:00<blackwall>it shows that ,it got ip and things
08:00<jm_>there are other settings too, like DNS servers, gateway etc.
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08:01<blackwall>it seems they r ok too
08:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
08:02<blackwall>when i enter ,ping,it says network is unreacable
08:02<hippomikko>themill, tnx I'll try to not use apt-get so much in the future :-) By the way do you know where ClamAV keeps it's scan results?
08:03<loolp>please maximize a virtual terminal and run: screen -S test -dm bash -c "read -t 2 -p '($COLUMNS*$LINES) how do I get current line at the top? '"; screen -dr test
08:03<Titan8990>blackwall, pastebin the results on `netstat -rn`
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08:04<jm_>and ifconfig output
08:05<blackwall>the thing is ,im on linux mint right now and i have to install debian again to check log and write netstat -rn ,,but after that what to do ?
08:05<Titan8990>lol you uninstalled the OS your trying to get support for?
08:05<jm_>loolp: what's the point of this test?
08:06<blackwall>then how im gonna connect here
08:06<Titan8990>blackwall, you should verify your default route points to your gateway
08:06<Titan8990>blackwall, livecd?
08:06<loolp>jm_: the test includes the question
08:07<blackwall>i already got a mint cd
08:07<jm_>loolp: you want it to show at the top?
08:07<loolp>jm_: yes
08:07<blackwall>is this how u guys help in this channel
08:08<loolp>blackwall: describe "this"
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08:09<blackwall>asking "why im trying to get support that i uninstalled the os"
08:10<blackwall>like titan8990: did
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08:10<loolp>blackwall: haha
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08:12<loolp>blackwall: what do you mean by "how i'm gonna connect here"? to
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08:13<blackwall>i cannot connect internet through debian
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08:14<loolp>blackwall: and it looks like Titan8990 only expressed amusement at the funny situation. it is indeed mildly ironic that you uninstalled debian and then came here to ask for support. and he didn't ask "why", it was a question.
08:14<loolp>blackwall: were you able to connect before?
08:15<loolp>sorry, "it was NOT a question"
08:15<loolp>oh i see
08:15<blackwall>when i installed mint ,it connecetd
08:15<loolp>what seemed to be the problem?
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08:16<loolp>are you new to debian?
08:17<loolp>(and related oses)
08:17<loolp>do you use wireless?
08:18<loolp>i'm not sure about cable, does it have a modem router?
08:19<timeoh>yes similiar
08:19<blackwall>no modem network card
08:19<loolp>are you on the box that you want to install debian on?
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08:20<jm_>loolp: screen -S test -dm bash -c "sleep 0.1;clear;read ....
08:20<loolp>then check your ip (ifconfig), your routing (route -n), and your dns (cat /etc/resolv.conf), and replicate them in debian.
08:21<timeoh>my cable modem has a built in dhcp. chef your lease with dhclient3
08:21<loolp>jm_: WOW, THANKS A LOT!
08:21<loolp>jm_: i really needed it
08:21<loolp>jm_: any idea what it needs to wait for?
08:21<loolp>timeoh: oh right
08:21<jm_>loolp: if you mean why, then the answer is no - it just doesn't work here without sleep
08:22<blackwall>loolp: thanks im gonna try it now
08:22<loolp>jm_: yeah, "what for", or "why"
08:22<loolp>blackwall: oh wait
08:23<loolp>blackwall: the best thing to do is what timeoh says. i think your router uses dhcp
08:23<blackwall>it uses dhcp
08:23<jm_>loolp: one reason I am thinking is that it needs to wait for your screen to reatach
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08:23<blackwall>im behind router/dhcp
08:25<loolp>jm_: oh there's a problem :((
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08:26<loolp>please try: screen -S test -dm bash -c "sleep 0.1; clear; read -t 2 -p '($COLUMNS*$LINES) how do I get current line at the top? '"; sleep 1; screen -dr test
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08:26<loolp>this emulates reattaching from another terminal, i.e. later
08:26<loolp>as in most use cases
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08:27<jm_>loolp: yes, so it means the problem is indeed that clearing screen before attaching won't work
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08:28<loolp>jm_: it's like reattaching has a moment of "insanity" when it doesn't know the resolution of the new terminal and it just uses the safest assumption. it does that only for a moment but enough to spoil the text.
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08:29<loolp>jm_: i call that insanity because it's totally unreasonable not to know the resolution of the new terminal
08:31<jm_>loolp: but it only seems to do this when one is using -dm
08:31<loolp>jm_: -dm is a very frequent use case
08:32<loolp>jm_: i start the session in the background and then i want to "visit" it later and there are some cases when i really need it good-looking
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08:33<rajanways>anybody there
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08:33<loolp>jm_: any idea why the problem is the number of lines (the number of columns is ok)
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08:35<jm_>loolp: not really, this is probably something screen developers can help with
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08:38<loolp>jm_: this is what screen complains of "Your termcap does not specify how to change the terminal's resolution to <resolution>", does this help? (i'll try to find their mailing list)
08:38<jm_>loolp: when do you see this?
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08:40<loolp>jm_: when i use "height 120 40" and "width 120 40" in ~/.screenrc and start screen as "screen" (no -dm)
08:41<lili_>I am compile apache with parameter "--enable-ssl" , but I have no lib of ssl? what is the name of ssl-lib package in that I can apt-get install it..??? thanks
08:41<loolp>jm_: it's a quick-disappearing status bar error while screen is starting
08:42<jm_>lili_: libssl-dev or libgnutls-dev, depending on which it needs/you want
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08:42<lili_>jm_: thanks..
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08:43<jm_>loolp: hmm would need to read on those capaibilies, I must admit I was not aware they exist so far
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08:43<loolp>jm_: i can help you help me :)
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08:44<loolp>jm_: there are many things that i found out but i don't understand
08:44<jm_>loolp: too much stuff going on at work, I am not bored enough to dig into this
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08:45<loolp>jm_: the most important of which may be the "getting started" section in screen's manpage (paragraph 3 is particularly obscure to me)
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08:45<loolp>jm_: i see np just read that when and if you can
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08:46<jm_>loolp: i think that's not a concern for regulat terminal emulators
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08:47<loolp>that's why i thought it could apply
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08:51<loolp>jm_: so you're saying it needs to be attached in order for clear to work
08:53<jm_>loolp: that's how it looked to me
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08:55<loolp>jm_: it seems it works according to this: screen -S test -dm bash -c "sleep 0.1; echo will this be cleared?; clear; read -t 2 -p '($COLUMNS*$LINES) how do I get current line at the top? '"; sleep 1; screen -dr test
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08:55<jm_>loolp: yup
08:56<loolp>jm_: however, it does seem like clear has another idea as to what the resolution the area to erase has
08:56<loolp>"what resolution"
08:56<jm_>loolp: yeah, there's clear entire screen escape sequence so it may need to know it
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09:02<serraemeira>Hello guys, I'd like to install empathy messenger (last version) in my Debian Lenny? That's because a want video and audio support for gtalk protocol....
09:03<serraemeira>How can I install empathy?
09:03<serraemeira>I'm a begginner user...
09:04<alfadir>serraemeira: sudo apt-get install empathy ?
09:04<jm_>serraemeira: did you check if there's anything newer on backports?
09:04<alfadir>serraemeira: apt-cache show empathy to see information about the package
09:05<alfadir>oh i am on sid.. sorry
09:05<serraemeira>Yes, It's not on backports....
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09:07<alfadir>serraemeira: lenny has version 0.23.3-3, squeeze 2.26.2-1, sid do you know which version you need ?
09:07<jm_>there is an old version available in lenny, so you install that just like you install any other package
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09:09<serraemeira>I think I need 2.28, the same of Karmik
09:09<jm_>then you either need to ssb it or upgrade to testing or so
09:11<serraemeira>It brings audio and video support
09:12<serraemeira>thanks guys
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09:17<bobdole>How do I specify which interface is used for a specific destination network?
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09:20<Titan8990>bobdole, route add -net dev ethx
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09:21<hollo>hi, i have tried to figure out who to send messages to the system tray.. but i cannot find a way to do this.. can someone give a hint?
09:21<hollo>.. just like receiving new emails in thunderbird, they give me a nice looking popup.. how can i print the myself?
09:22<Titan8990>hollo, you might have better luck with that in like a gnome specific channel
09:24<hollo>Titan8990, i can try.. thanks
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09:42<kimi821>hi leute wie gehts
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09:43<grummund>Hi, could someone tell me what's wrong with this user crontab entry? :-
09:43<screenn>dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > hda1.gz <- too slowly, maybe because gzip is compressing the data to gz? how make it faster?
09:43<grummund> * * * * * cd ~/tmp; Y="$(date +%Y)"; M="$(date +%m)"; touch $Y-$M.tmp;
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09:44<grummund>i get these errors:_
09:44<grummund>/bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `)'
09:44<grummund>/bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file
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09:44<locklace>it fails in so many ways
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09:47<Gilmar>Boa tarde
09:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:49<Gilmar>My friend
09:50<Gilmar>It my computer is perfevt
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09:53<Maulkin>dk4nno: can we help?
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09:54<lrun>how could i resize the root partition of a remote machine?
09:55<hollo>Titan8990, i found some guys.. aptitude install notify-osd stalonetray&&stalonetray&¬ify-osd blah
09:55<hollo>that will do the trick :)
09:56<tarzeau>lrun: larger? which filesystem?
09:56<lrun>tarzeau: the rootfilesystem ext3 smaller
09:56<tarzeau>lrun: bigger is easy, but smaller not
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09:57<dk4nno>ups.... it is't unplug?
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09:57<lrun>as an alternative i thought i would kill the swap partition, setup a temp system on it, boot that and resize the old root partition
09:58<lrun>but thats painful
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10:14<loolp>what utility do they use for home directory encryption?
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10:18<lrun>loolp: are you asking with ubuntu's way of doing it in mind?
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10:18<loolp>lrun: yes
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10:18<loolp>lrun: but i'm willing to try something better if available
10:19<bobdole>lol this made me laugh
10:19<bobdole>aww cant copy paste from windows
10:19<loolp>bobdole: xen?
10:19<bobdole>Anyone ever ran two network interfaces on debian at the same time before?
10:19<loolp>bobdole: of course
10:20<bobdole>How do I specify which interface is used for a specific destination network?
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10:20<Titan8990>bobdole, they should not be on the same network
10:20<loolp>bobdole: route
10:21<bobdole>tried the statements in the interface file
10:21<bobdole>we need the two for dual ssl
10:21<Titan8990>dual ssl?
10:21<kop>lrun: resize2fs will make a filesystem smaller. Then _very carefully_ you shrink the partiton. IIRC parted will do the job all in one go. But, it being the root partition you need to boot off another partition, of some sort, to do the work.
10:21<bobdole>two different certificates
10:21<bobdole>for same host
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10:22<kop>bobdole: Once you assign an ip in the interfaces file the routes are setup automatically.
10:22<bobdole>we can get it to run fine, but one of our clients needs to nat an ip
10:22<Titan8990>bobdole, you need something does load balancing if your trying to put too interfaces on the same network
10:22<Titan8990>err two
10:22<sylock>is there a way to make permanent samba mount in gnome?
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10:22<kop>bobdole: If you want to route to different networks through the different nics, other than the attached networks, then route (or 'ip route') is what you use.
10:22<bobdole>I just need to specify which interface to use for outgoing
10:22<Titan8990>sylock, not sure about gnome but you can have samba share automount via /etc/fstab
10:22<loolp>lrun: any idea
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10:23<Titan8990>bobdole, let me see your routing table
10:23<lrun>loolp: on debian there is no security mechanisms by default. you need to setup encryption manually. but there is a few guides on the web how to do that
10:23<bobdole>tried doing the following in the interfaces file
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10:23<loolp>lrun: just name the application
10:24<kop>!tell bobdole about paste
10:24<Titan8990>bobdole, just pastebin your routing table
10:24<bobdole>its disabled atm
10:24<sylock>titan : I tryied fstab but it don't work so well (at boot, net is not up yet when fstab is read and when the computer shutdown, the net is already down when system try to unmount samba shares)
10:24<bobdole>sec ill copy the statements
10:24<loolp>bobdole: paste the output of "route -n"
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10:24<bobdole>ya that is just default now
10:24<bobdole>because I have the other disabled
10:24<bobdole>while this is troubleshooted
10:24<Titan8990>sylock, doesn't seem right... network mounted drives are not uncommon in linux
10:25<Titan8990>bobdole, alright, well you need to enable the existing interface, remove the routes for the other
10:25<kop>sylock: Put it in fstab, with a 'noauto' option and then mount it manually in /etc/rc.local.
10:25<Titan8990>bobdole, and change the default all for the interface you need
10:25<sylock>titan : that's because of network-manager
10:25<kop>sylock: Titan8990 is right, I would think that samba would auto-mount it when it starts.
10:26<bobdole>thats what I added to my interface file
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10:27<sylock>to titan and kop : I'm using CIFS filesystem type. do you think I should use "smb" intead?
10:27<Titan8990>bobdole, I have no idea what your network looks like or what your routing table is or should be
10:27<Titan8990>those two lines mean nothing alone
10:27<Titan8990>sylock, no... let me paste my line
10:28<Titan8990>sylock, //bizsql/Shared /mnt/work smbfs user=*******,password=****** 0 0
10:28<kop>sylock: I'm not that good with samba, I don't know. But, you could read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/samba.... (if it exists) and it will say how to do it the debian way.
10:28<Titan8990>yeah.. that is right. I believe new distro require you use cifs
10:28<kop>bobdole: Don't you need to begin those commands with the word "route"?
10:29<bobdole>I have one server with two nics, I recieve data from a company that needs to nat the ip it will send to and recieve from. I have each nic static on a different subnet one is on .42 other is on .0 the problem is I need to tell the computer to only send to the destination through the 0 network and never use the 42
10:29<kop>bobdole: You should be able to use the ifup and ifdown commands to watch what happens when the interface goes up and down.
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10:30<sylock>to titan and kop : thank you. I'll test
10:30<bobdole>kop, I have it in the /etc/network/interfaces file
10:30<Titan8990>bobdole, ok... so just set your default route to a box on the .0 network and done
10:30<bobdole>under my interface
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10:30<kop>bobdole: Not in what you pasted.
10:31<kop>bobdole: "route add", not just "add", and the same with delete.
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10:31<Titan8990>i doubt you will be able to get it to send traffic to the .42 network via the .0 interface... it will always send data to the interface of the network its directly connected to
10:31<bobdole>its not sending to the 0 from 42
10:31<bobdole>its sending to outside
10:32<Titan8990>wtf is outside
10:32<bobdole>outside my network
10:32<Titan8990>alright... is the gateway on the .0 network?
10:32<kop>Titan8990: the network is not directly connected.
10:32<Titan8990>kop, he just told me that it was?
10:32<Titan8990>" I have each nic static on a different subnet one is on .42 other is on .0"
10:33<bobdole>yes but they are sending to the internet
10:33<bobdole>not the network
10:33<kop>Titan8990: I interpreted that differently from you.
10:34<kop>bobdole: Are the interfaces in the network?
10:34<Titan8990>bobdole, dude... what box is the network's gateway to the internet
10:34<Titan8990>whats its IP?
10:35<bobdole>same box
10:36<Titan8990>alright... so now our server is the network gateway for the network
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10:36<bobdole>they both goto the same gateway
10:36<bobdole>the problem is that when it gets to the target it has to be sent from a specific start point
10:38<Titan8990>you just confuse the hell out me
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10:38<bobdole>not usually the network guy around here
10:38<Titan8990>you want two network interfaces on seperate networks
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10:38<Titan8990>to go to the same network gateway
10:38<bobdole>no im sorry
10:38<Titan8990>yet the same box IS the network gateway
10:38<bobdole>and 0.22
10:38<bobdole>and im 42.91
10:38<bobdole>and 0.91
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10:38<Titan8990>with a 16 bit mask, those are both on the same network
10:39<kop>bobdole: Why not just nat on both nics if anything going to that network should be natted?
10:39<bobdole>this was what I said
10:39<bobdole>lol they want the hard way
10:39<Titan8990>well, im done helping with the hard way...
10:39<bobdole>all I want to do is say if the traffic is going for the 69.xx network use this interface
10:40<Titan8990>but if the netmask is its the same network
10:40<Titan8990> and <--- both IPs are on the same network
10:40<kop>bobdole: Try setting up a route with the nic's address as the gateway for that network. It might work....
10:41<Titan8990> and <--- both IPs are on the different networks
10:41<bobdole>titan im not on the 64 network
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10:41<kop>bobdole: Although, you probably need to look at iptables for forcing a route out a particular nic/IP.
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10:44<kop>bobdole: You can actually have separate routing tables and iptables can designate which to use, which I think would force things through particular nics.... I'm not sure I've ever thought this through.
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10:48<Titan8990>there is also 3rd party routing software such as quagga
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10:50<kop>I've preferred shorewall for an iptables interface. Dunno whether it would work in this case. All those cisco-alike interfaces are not really an improvement, just a "standardization" to a standard that does not exist.
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10:52*Titan8990 prefers *BSD on his routing machines
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10:55<kop>Titan8990: pf rocks.
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10:58<babilen>yes. switching to Search Results
10:58<babilen> 1.
10:58<babilen> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
10:58<babilen>might really pay of for firewalls
10:58<babilen>oops.. sorry
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11:05<kop>babilen: Does the freebsd arch have pf in debian?
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11:05<babilen>kop: yes..!! \o/
11:05<kop>babilen: That's a serious reason to use it.
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11:05<kop>babilen: How about a good carp implementation?
11:06<babilen>kop: I completely concur!
11:06<babilen>kop: I don't know about that. Is that userland or in the kernel?
11:07<lrun>its part of dreamland
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11:07<kop>babilen: In OpenBSD it's in the kernel. There's a debian package but for some reason I get the feeling it's sorta tacked-on.
11:07<lrun>the whole *BSD approach is history
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11:07<kop>lrun: There's a time and a place for it yet.
11:08<babilen>lrun: What do you mean? The BSD approach to CARP?
11:08<kooll>in userland, there's ucarp, which is a bit 'tacked on' but works fine for me
11:08<lrun>and thats why companies like Google rely on linux kernels?
11:08<simonrvn>lrun is trolling
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11:08<lrun>simonrvn: who are you to try to give people a bad name here?
11:08*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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11:09<simonrvn>lrun: i am who i am. that's all.
11:10<lrun>simonrvn: what an idiotic approach after you tried to deface me
11:10<reeher>lrun: Heh, that's sort of a silly question.. Simonrvn has been here for.. well, as long as I can remember. several years.
11:10<lrun>reeher: so whats his realname?
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11:10<simonrvn>oh please, get over it. if you're not trolling, say so, and i'll take it back and apologise.
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11:10<mjk>Hmm ... xkeycaps does not seem to work with X11's evdev driver. Anyone knows a fix for that or an alternative to xkeycaps? I need it for testing old keyboards ...
11:11<themill>lrun: please move on
11:12<lrun>if you are not just talking nonesense like these other guys, then you name 1 single active maintainer and 5 contributions to the *BSD approach within debian within the last 2-3 years
11:12<kop>I'd still like to know about carp and the freebsd arch. How would I go about finding out short of installing it?
11:12<lrun>i am curious
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11:13<simonrvn>is that even relevant to the discussion?
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11:13<kop>lrun: I don't know what "the *BSD approach" is, but it sure sounds offtopic to #debian.
11:13<lrun>thats what kop and babilen were on about
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11:15<babilen>lrun: If you are really interested: ask in #debian-kbsd, read the mails in the debian-bsd ML or join #debian-offtopic
11:15*simonrvn still waiting whether or not he should apologise or not
11:15<simonrvn>s,or not$,,
11:16<lrun>simonrvn: you mean after your "plonk" and after this chicken shit from kop and babilen you get any more posting here that makes sense?
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11:16<lrun>good luck there, mother fucker.
11:16*simonrvn sighs
11:16<babilen>lrun: No need to get personal... *sigh*
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11:17<reeher>Boy needs lithium.
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11:18<simonrvn>well that was productive
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11:50<peej>is debian linux kernel regarded as more secure than debian freebsd kernel?
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11:51<rumbleaxe>@peej: depends... be more specific
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11:51<peej>hmm. I actually should phrase it this way. (means the same, but leads differently): is debian freebsd kernel regarded as more secure than debian linux kernel?
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11:52<peej>I mean, frequency of exploitable bugs in kernel. Buffer overflows for example.
11:53<sney>#debian-kbsd would probably know better
11:53<sney>but that's just a comparison between the linux and freebsd kernels, debian provides little more than development structure and a package management system
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11:57<simonrvn>it's the same source package as the original kernel, so they'd know best ;)
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11:57<iskra>hey... i have an adaptec scsi card that is being listed in lspci but not in "ls /dev/sd*". i'm assuming i need a driver, if i find a driver that works for ubuntu that should work right?
11:57<iskra>debian lenny
11:58<simonrvn>the driver probably just needs to be installed into kernel mem (modprobed)
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11:59<iskra>so you're sayin it's probably on my system, jus tneeds to be modprobed?
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12:39<LiCeT>hi all
12:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:40<reeher>Hello LiCeT
12:41<LiCeT>hi :)
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12:42<LiCeT>i'm trying to make a screencast...without result
12:43<dr|z3d>LiCeT: apt-cache search istanbul
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12:43<LiCeT>yeah..i tried with istanbul
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12:43<PovAddict>I hadn't heard of it :O
12:43<LiCeT>pc slows down enourmusly
12:43*PovAddict looks it up
12:43<LiCeT>cant work
12:45<LiCeT>maybe some other tool?
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12:46<LiCeT>its impossible to work when istanbul is capturing and the quality is to bad :(
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12:46<themill>judd info recordmydesktop
12:46<judd>themill: recordmydesktop (graphics): is optional; Version:; Size: 51.0k; Installed: 108k -- Captures audio-video data of a Linux desktop session
12:46<LiCeT>same with recordmydesktop
12:46<LiCeT>maybe some problem on my sysmte
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12:47<zumbi>I am new to xen, is it posible to make partition on the domU? can you join domUs in one machine as they were partitions?
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12:47<zumbi>dpkg: xen
12:47<dpkg>xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support. For detailed help, see . #debian-xen on See also <virtualization>.
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13:10<zumbi>never mind, solve it
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13:21<mettao87>hi guys. I have a problem whit the installation of matlab. I copied the files of the first cd1 in /home/cd1. I'm root, and when I run /home/cd1/install the error is: Permission Denied. How can I solve? thank you
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13:23<Titan8990>mettao87, chmod u+x /home/cd1/install
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13:26<mettao87>Titan8990: I did it but nothing happen
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13:28<PovAddict>of course something happened
13:29<mettao87>Titan8990: Ok, I deleted chmod u+x and now it starts. Thank you.
13:29<PovAddict>use -v in all commands you ever run if you want to *see* things happen
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13:30<franki^>`does anyone know what's going on with rxvt-unicode in squeeze, it appears to, ehh, not be there :)
13:31<franki^>there should be a question mark in there somewhere..
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13:33<patrikf>franki^: was removed from testing due to 481123 (you could've found that out through the PTS)
13:33<LiCeT>what do i have to install for an nvidia grafic card?
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13:36<Darkknow>Je file déjà ^^
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13:36<chaoticmass>What is the command to specify default applications to use? Pretty please :)
13:36<franki^>patrikf: okay, thanks, i'll look that up, sorry, i'm quite new to testing
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13:37<Hideo>chaoticmass: update-alternatives
13:37<chaoticmass>Hideo : Thanks! Need to write that one down. I always forget it.
13:38<Chubbz>Hablas espanol?
13:38<Chubbz>Anyone speak both spanish and english?
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13:39<Chubbz>I need help translating some computer terms into spanish
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13:39<PovAddict>try #debian-es
13:39<Chubbz>no luck there
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13:40<PovAddict>there should be proper guidelines for translation for each language... :(
13:40<Chubbz>I know right
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13:41<Chubbz>I speak a little conversational spanish, but I just need someone that knows the technical terms in both languages
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13:41<PovAddict>it's not just about knowing the terms, but about the terms being translated *consistently* between different programs... that's why we need written guidelines :)
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13:42<franki^>Chubbz: mi español es malo, pero mi novia es una traductora, quizas puedo ayudar..
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14:08<bbelt16ag>hey peeps what's the package for debian for lightning addon calendar
14:08<bbelt16ag>for icedove
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14:11<PovAddict>bbelt16ag: dunno if it's packaged...
14:12<PovAddict>bbelt16ag: Sunbird calendar is Iceowl, but can't find if the lightning addon is packaged at all
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14:14<bbelt16ag>no I wantt th addon
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15:31<tux_boy>hi I am looking for a live-usb creator. Can anyone suggest me one? thanks
15:31<tux_boy>cahoot, thanks
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15:35<tux_boy>amazing google never listed unetbootin ....on live-usb creator.
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15:43<sney`>I've got an old laptop running Lenny with a 2.6.30 kernel. It has an AR5212 cardbus wifi card supported by ath5k, which loads. iwlist wlan0 scanning shows the nearby APs. I'm trying to connect to one of those APs- it doesn't have an encryption key, it's only running a MAC filter as security. iwconfig is set to the correct essid and channel
15:43<sney`>ifconfig shows the interface is running. But dhclient won't get an address. What am I missing?
15:44<sney`>the MAC address of the card has been allowed by the router's filter.
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15:44<locklace>so is it associated?
15:45<Mish->I have a bash script that uses "which apache2", "which apache", "which httpd" to determine where and what the apache2 binary is on multiple platforms. Running in BASH as root it works correctly, running from root's crontab "which apache2" seems to return nothing, any ideas?
15:45<sney`>locklace: it says not-associated
15:46<faheem>Mish-: might be helpful to paste the script
15:46<sepski>Mish-, perhaps a path issue, give the full path to the binary "which"
15:46<locklace>what if you hardcode the ap with iwconfig
15:46<locklace>Mish-: that's a dumb mechanism
15:46<Mish->locklace: Oh?
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15:47<locklace>Mish-: it relies on the ambient PATH environment variable which could be anything, and in particular is stripped down for cron jobs
15:48<faheem>Mish-: possibly with some explanation of what you are trying to do
15:48<Mish->locklace: Cool, I'll rewrite it.
15:48<faheem>Mish-: sorry, you did
15:48<Mish->faheem: Locate the apache2/httpd/apache binary on multiple platforms.
15:48<faheem>Mish-: so you said. sorry
15:48<nicolas>Hi, update-notifier does not seems to work for me with kde. Any idea ? The icon never appears in the taskbar
15:48<faheem>Mish-: ask the package manager, perhaps?
15:48<sney`>locklace: tremendously weird. I tried this before, but now it worked. let me see if dhclient gets an address
15:49<sney`>ok, it worked. hooray
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15:49<locklace>!congratulate sney`
15:49<dpkg>Huzzah sney`, you did it!
15:49<faheem>Mish-: dpkg -S or similar. Assuming Debian or similar
15:49<sney`>now I close IRC since I'm not supposed to be on it at work
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15:49<Mish->locklace: Out of interest, any idea on a better way to locate the apache binary on redhat, debian, and suse? The "which" approach works when running the system crontab, but not the 'root' crontab.
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15:50<faheem>Mish-: package manager. rpm on rh and suse
15:50<themill>Mish-: what's the purpose of trying to find this out?
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15:50<Mish->themill: An automated script to manage Apache failures across hundreds of servers.
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15:51<locklace>Mish-: you can either dork around with different package system data or just know that 99.9% of the time it's going to be in one of 4-odd standard directories and check those explicitly
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15:52<locklace>Mish-: or determine ahead of time where the os's you're concerned with puts it, and just put that info into the script
15:52<themill>Mish-: you'd do better to know what the distribution was (from lsb-release or similar) and know where to look. You probably also should be using the distro's preferred start/stop method (e.g. invoke-rc.d/service/etc)
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15:52<Mish->Good advice, cheers guys.
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15:54<mettao87>hi guys, I need help to install glibc-2.2.5. I've to install it to run MATLAB. Someone can help me? thank you.
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15:58<adb>judd, versions glibc
15:58<judd>adb: glibc --
15:58<themill>it's libc6
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15:59<themill>mettao87: are you sure you need exactly that version of glibc? It's normally quite backwards compatible, so either etch or lenny should just work
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15:59<dpkg><meoblast_> i just always use root to avoid trouble
16:00<mettao87>themill: when I try to install I have this message: Warning: glibc 2.1 - Unsupported version
16:00<mettao87> glibc 2.2.5 - MATLAB built using this version
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16:00<mettao87>themill: I have lenny.
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16:01<faheem>someone needs to tell me what flw means
16:01<themill>faheem: famous last words
16:01<themill>mettao87: that sounds very very screwy
16:02<faheem>themill: how does it work?
16:02<faheem>is it a random thing?
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16:04<faheem>mettao87: MATLAB wants you to upgrade libc6 to run it?
16:04<faheem>is this in the docs?
16:04<mettao87>faheem: The first question I have is to install glibc 2.2.5 nothing else.
16:05<faheem>mettao87: ok, but i would think twice about that
16:05<faheem>might break other stuff
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16:07<mettao87>faheem: I read libc6 is needed only to install from cd. But I copied my files in a home directory, how I saw in an HOWTO.. Here they say to run /home/mymatlabdirectory/install
16:08<djbclark>Is this the appropriate channel to ask .deb packaging questions?
16:08<mettao87>after that, I found the glibc problem
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16:09<faheem>djbclark: #debian-mentors probably better
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16:10<faheem>mettao87: you get the error above? Warning: glibc 2.1 - Unsupported version ...
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16:10<mettao87>faheem: yes. after /home...../install I have the glibc errror
16:10<mettao87>faheem: and I can't continue.
16:11<faheem>mettao87: tried talking to Matlab support?
16:11<mettao87>faheem: not yet. I'll do it.
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16:11<themill>faheem: is this a pretty old version of matlab?
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16:11<themill>err.... mettao87 ^^
16:11<faheem>mettao87: upgrading libc6 is a risky business. everything depends on it.
16:11<themill>it would be downgrading to a quite ancient version of libc6 in this case
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16:12<mettao87>themill: I'd want to install matlab7, an old version.
16:12<faheem>themill: i see
16:12<faheem>downgrading even riskier
16:12<faheem>not supported
16:13<themill>impossible, I would have said.
16:13<faheem>themill: probably
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16:13<locklace>we could have just left it at "no"
16:13<faheem>stable is 2.7-18
16:13<macravin>y do u want to downgrade
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16:13<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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16:14<faheem>dpkg: amen to that
16:14<dpkg>faheem: no idea
16:16<macravin>wait will he do it again if I type "!u"
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16:17<faheem>macravin: yes
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16:17<faheem>macravin: dpkg is a bot
16:19<mettao87>bye bye, thank you.
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16:19<macravin>faheem: isn't debhelper a bot too?, if so it seems odd that 2 bots are needed... couldn't one do the job of one just fine
16:20<themill>different jobs, different bots. There are others too
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16:21<locklace>like azeem and abrotman
16:22<faheem>macravin: debhelper seems to mostly kick people off the channel :-)
16:22<faheem>though i've not idea what its mandate is
16:22<faheem>not -> no
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16:24<dpkg>We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
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16:24<retrospectacus>debhelper's mandate is "kick flooders"
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16:26<faheem>ravenbird, badgers, piggy? who names these things?
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16:26<retrospectacus>bot-naming bot
16:28<dpkg>APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>,
16:28<dpkg>it has been said that gimp is the GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software, used for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems and in many languages. #gimp-users and #gimp on
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16:31<macravin>lol "<macravin> is dpkg a bot?<dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?"
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18:31<leo>i really want to get my wireless working it's intel 4965agn
18:31<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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18:35<leo>"wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down"
18:35<leo>does this mean i already have the firmware-iwlwifi package installed?
18:36<leo>i seem to recall this being the original error message when 1st installing the ucode file: "kernel: iwl4965: iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
18:36<leo>kernel: iwl4965: Could not read microcode: -2"
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18:38<leo>dpkg - which non-free-sources are available?
18:38<dpkg>leo: what are you talking about?
18:38<spstarr>where did libglib1.2 and friends go?
18:38<spstarr>they aren't in sid anymore?
18:38<spstarr>they are in lenny though
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18:38<spstarr>sadly not everythng has killed off 1.2...
18:39<leo>dpkg - i used the iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17.tgz file during the linux setup process
18:39<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, leo
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18:39<themill>spstarr: debian has been trying to get rid of them for years.... nothing in lenny actually uses those libraries as it is.
18:39<themill>leo: dpkg is a bot
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18:40<spstarr>i see
18:40<leo>ahh thanks themill
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18:44<leo>what is the command to set wpa tkip, please?
18:45<spstarr>i found them cause secondlife (emerald) needs them still, though newer viewers using QtWebKit
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18:45<leo>(i'm not in a position to take encryption off)
18:46<leo>there are many instructions for wep, but who uses wep these days?
18:47<leo>actually i apologise - just saw the advice on wpa-scan-ssid and wpa-ap-sca
18:48<leo>but can anyone tell me if i can use those commands to set the wpa password?
18:48<leo>or do i need to use the wpa-supplicant module?
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18:53<babilen>leo: I would suggest using wpa_supplicant w/ id_str .
18:53<gsimmons>leo: The wpa-* iface options start wpa_supplicant in the background. See
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18:56<leo>thanks guys you rock
18:58<babilen>!tell leo -about wpa_supplicant
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18:59<babilen>leo: If you need a more specific setup (eg bringing up vpnc for specific ESSIDs) come back and ask.
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19:02<leo>thanks babilen, tho i don't even know what vpnc is yet lol :)
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19:27<Makaraki>Hi there people, I have a little problem for and easy shorewall firewall installation with only two interfaces, I made some test and it seems ok except that from local net, It can not reach hosts from the internet, I made some test but it seems to do not resolve even I typed manually into the resolv.conf file
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19:28<Makaraki>But I can reach the firewall, I checked out the rules (it should be very easy) but my question is, local net laptop has DNS server addresses manually typed in the resolv.conf file
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19:29<Makaraki>but it can not reach the DNS server itself , I made a ping from the local net to the DNS but no way
19:29<Makaraki>Please can anybody tell me some hints?
19:31<bman>ok i didnt understand the problem sorry
19:31<Makaraki>bman: Sorry I will explain again
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19:31<bman>you cant ping anything from your machine?
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19:32<Makaraki>bman: I can ping the gateway wich is the address of the second interfaces on the firewall machine
19:32<bman>from machine inside firewall
19:32<bman>or outside
19:32<Makaraki>bman: I can ping 192.1698.0.1 and I can get web pages on the apache for instance
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19:33<Makaraki>bman: I can not ping for instance
19:33<bman>ok firewall machine is routing in but not out
19:33<Makaraki>bman: I manually forced DNS into resolve.conf file
19:33<Makaraki>bman: I think so, exactly
19:34<Makaraki>bman: I would like to surf the internet from local lan
19:34<bman>so you cant ping from a internal machine correct?
19:34<Makaraki>which is not posible for the moment
19:34<Makaraki>bman: exactly, I can not
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19:34<bman>on the firewall machine can you ping out?
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19:35<Makaraki>bman: Yes I do, in fact firewall is my Desk machine
19:35<bman>i had that setup before
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19:36<bman>did you set up that machine with a graphical program or manually?
19:36<bman>for the firewall
19:36<Makaraki>bman: manually
19:36<Makaraki>I set up the rules, policy, zones and interfaces files with vim
19:37<Makaraki>following the documentation
19:37<bman>route -v on the firewall machine
19:37<bman>everything look fine?
19:37<Makaraki>I did route -n and it seems ok
19:37<bman>and can you ping between the firewall and the desktop machine ok?
19:37<Makaraki>let me check again...for no dummy errors
19:38<Makaraki>can I paste it for you?
19:38<Makaraki>Do i have to use some special feature ?
19:39<Makaraki>I am a newbie as you can see...
19:39<Makaraki>there is something like pastebin?
19:39<bman>just paste it there
19:39<bman>then submit
19:39<bman>and paste the link here
19:39<bman>it will give you a link when it submits
19:40<Makaraki>bman: thanks!
19:40<bman>gateway for the internal interface should be the ip for the external interface i beleive
19:41<bman>either way it needs a gateway
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19:41<bman>and the should be default i beleive
19:41<Makaraki>mmm I thought gateway adress should be and address of the same "family"
19:41<bman>for the last destination line
19:42<bman>use * then
19:42<bman>gateway can be *
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19:43<bman>which is internal which is external?
19:43<bman>eth1 internal?
19:43<Makaraki>bman: I know what you mean its my fault you expected the resoult of comand route -v which is this one, the first one I sent you was the exit of route -n
19:43<bman>ok start over
19:44<Makaraki>bman: eth2 is external, eth1 is internal
19:44<Makaraki>sorry :P
19:45<bman>whats the 62. ip?
19:45<Makaraki>is the external ip
19:45<Makaraki>the public IP which my ISP gaves me by DHCP
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19:47<Makaraki>bman: I will check my routing rules on the internal local net pc
19:48<bman>im not seeing anythign there
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19:49<Makaraki>bman: So do I XD
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19:50<Makaraki>bman: mm could be something wrong on the internal net settings
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19:51<bman>ip route show
19:51<bman>and paste output for me
19:51<Makaraki>bman: I mean, I typed the IP address, the right mask and also the gateway but
19:51<Makaraki>for me is important the fact
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19:52<bman>if you can ping b/w the firewall and the client machine you should be cool on the local net
19:52<Makaraki>that from internal PC I am not able to ping, which us one of the two DNS servers of the resolv.conf
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19:52<bman>dont worry about that
19:52<bman>can you ping
19:52<Makaraki>what means b/w (I am spanish...)
19:52<bman>between = b/w
19:53<bman>sometimes b/w = bandwidth too
19:53<Makaraki>bman: I 'll keep in midn hehe
19:53<bman> try to ping
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19:53<bman>from both machines
19:54<Makaraki>wops ... I can do it
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19:54<Makaraki>even from internal net
19:54<bman>well then you just need different lines in resolv.conf
19:54<bman>hold on
19:55<bman>use those 2
19:55<bman>take out the others
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19:55<bman>thats opendns, its slow but reliable
19:56<itsonlyskin>having problems with a firewall?
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19:56<bman>doesnt look like it
19:56<bman>he can ping google
19:56<bman>bad dns servers
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19:56<Makaraki>bman: I will do so, hold on
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19:57<vvas>opendns is slow? it's usually faster than my isp's servers
19:57<bman>slow for me
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19:57<Guest949>I'm opped in /1 channels on 1 network/s. I've got the power about 0/370 users.
19:57<Guest949>System Info Distro: Ubuntu 9.10 CPU: Dual AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-65 2100.000 MHz @ 8.19 Ghz Memory: 2344/2770M [||||||||||] Storage: 225.19G Free: 211.22G Uptime: 1 hr 3 mins 36 secs Load Average: 2.12 1.24 0.85 Processes: 169 Graphic: ATI Technologies Inc RS780MC [Radeon HD 3100 Graphics] Screen: 1280x800 (32 bpp) Network: wlan0: In: 93.73M Out: 4.37M
19:57<bman>we dont care
19:58<abrotman>Guest949: don't do that again
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19:59<bman>you know
19:59<bman>thats probably a bot
19:59<bman>like virus type
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19:59<bman>if it logged in and reported itself like that
20:00<bman>botnet guest?
20:00<itsonlyskin>bman: you think Makarakis' firewall is blocking all other ports but 80? I'm not sure exactly what you guys are doing, I caught you in mid convo
20:00<Makaraki>bman: Thanks a lot it is working fine
20:00<bman>no problem Makaraki
20:00<bman>itsonlyskin, nah, was no issue at all
20:00<itsonlyskin>guess forget it
20:00<bman>just bad dns servers
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20:00<Makaraki>itsonlyskin: hi the problem was solved
20:00<bman>easy problem
20:01<bman>i just popped in looking for a exim channel, so glad i could help
20:01<itsonlyskin>sup, good
20:01<Makaraki>itsonlyskin: But I spent to much time on it... XD newbies you know....
20:01<bman>the topic in exim is funny
20:01<itsonlyskin>hah, everyone gotta start somewhere
20:02<Makaraki>bman: the problem was that public IP and dns servers where on the "same net" isn't it?
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20:03<bman>dunno what the problem was but your dns servers were not working
20:03<bman>i gave you known good ones and it worked
20:04<bman>are you providing the ip to the client machine?
20:04<bman>with dhcp?
20:04<bman>or did you set it manually?
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20:05<itsonlyskin>Makaraki: you there?
20:05<Makaraki>the ISP gaves me automaticlly
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20:05<babilen>bman: You might have more luck on freenode with #exim
20:05<bman>yeah i see
20:06<bman>just funny here tho
20:06<Makaraki>bman: sorry I was testing ... so yes, the DNS server addresses where given to me by automatic settings on DHCP
20:06<bman>leave a message in a empty channel and they willget back to me
20:06<bman>theres your problem then Makaraki
20:06<bman>either set the ip manually and the dns servers like you did
20:06<bman>or fix the dhcp server
20:07<Makaraki>bman: I will do so!
20:08<bman>either way its working so thats good
20:08<bman>man i like fixing stuff
20:08<bman>wish i coudl fix my own
20:08<Makaraki>bman: I'll see
20:09<Makaraki>I was so fustrated because I followed and understood all the steps of the documentation
20:09<bman>babilen, i saw you pop in
20:09<bman>was already in there
20:09<bman>asked my question like 20 minutes ago
20:09<bman>you poping in and out was the only activity since then
20:09<babilen>bman: oftc or freenode?
20:09<bman>both for that matter
20:10<vvas>bman: what's the question?
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20:12<abrotman>how much wood .. nah .. can't do it
20:12<macravin>Makaraki: just set the ip, you don't need to fix dns (unless you really want to)
20:14<bman>i thought debian exim4 was set by default to use procmail
20:14<bman>i have a * in /etc/aliases
20:14<bman>and redirected to my user
20:14<bman>my user is receiving the email, but the .procmailrc is not being processed
20:15<bman>the mail just ends up in my mbox
20:15<vvas>what does the line in /etc/aliases look like exactly? "*: user"?
20:16<bman>that part is working
20:16<Makaraki>macravin: mmm well I have a dsl cable modem and it gives me the IP automaticly
20:16<bman>all mail is going to correct user but the expected behaviour is for it to process my .procmailrc before going to mbox
20:17<bman>Makaraki, set the opendns servers as the dns servers in your router then
20:17<Makaraki>bman: It is already done ;)
20:17<vvas>what about the email that's directed to this user? does it get processed by procmail?
20:18<bman>gets directed to the correct user but does not process
20:18<bman>just ends up in the /var/spool/mail
20:18<vvas>does it get processed by procmail if you remove the alias?
20:19<bman>if i remove the alias it would not work anyway, mail would just go to /var/spool/mail/postmaster
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20:19<bman>only procmail rules i have are on that users .procmailrc
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20:19<bman>just worked on all the other machiens i set up
20:19<vvas>yes, but what about the email that's directed to that user specifically
20:20<bman>it would do the same its doing now
20:20<bman>just go to the mbox
20:20<bman>lemme verify
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20:21<bman>just went to mbox
20:21<bman>its not processing the ~/.procmailrc
20:22<vvas>then the problem has nothing to do with the alias, now does it
20:23<bman>didnt think it did
20:23<bman>i think its got to do with exim calling procmail
20:24<vvas>well, a general observation then: when forming a question, do not include irrelevant information, it does not help
20:24<bman>its not irrelevant, just additional
20:24<bman>i like to fully state all files i changed
20:26<vvas>anyway, use "exim -bt" to see what router and transport it ends up choosing
20:26<bman>exim -bt just gives me >
20:27<bman>dont spit out a non valid command syntax
20:27<vvas>i didn't
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20:28<bman>moonglum:/home/bman# exim -bt
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20:28<vvas>as i said, Read The Fine Manual, to see what that option does and how to use it
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20:28<bman>i know what it does
20:28<bman>it tells me if a email address routes
20:28<bman>which it does
20:29<bman>and it calls the transport which should do it
20:29<vvas>yes, it tells you which router and transport are chosen
20:29<vvas>armed with that knowledge, you go to the exim config file and find out why that one was chosen instead of the procmail one
20:30<bman>thats where i been
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20:31<vvas>ok then, which router is chosen and why?
20:31<vvas>and does it come before or after the procmail one?
20:31<bman>remote_smtp and no ideal
20:32<vvas>remote_smtp is chosen for local addresses? highly unlikely
20:32<bman>both are 30_
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20:33<bman>well if i put my alias line back and run it to the address i am trying to get to work i get:
20:33<bman>R: system_aliases for
20:33<bman>R: userforward for
20:33<bman>R: procmail for
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20:34<vvas>well, looks like it's choosing the router you want it to choose
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20:37<bman>but a test mail is still going to the user on the machiens mbox
20:37<Makaraki>Well people I will leave, time to sleep thanks bman and see you soon
20:37<bman>take it easy!
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20:38<vvas>which is where procmail will deliver it if none of the rules in .procmailrc match
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21:11<Invitado>tengo un problema con linux
21:12<Invitado>es con el sonido no me reproduce nada de sonido
21:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:29<fu_manchu>what's the topic?
21:30<abrotman>more accurately: Debian support
21:30<fu_manchu>i got a new usb optical mouse for this old pc with ubuntu 9.04 on it
21:31<fu_manchu>idk much about it, probably
21:31<kop>!tell fu_manchu about ubuntu
21:31<kop>fu_manchu: ^^ says where to go for ubuntu support
21:34<abrotman>fu_manchu: ask #ubuntu on
21:36<macravin>if you can find the debian chat...
21:36<fu_manchu>i don't have any questions, anyways
21:37<fu_manchu>my ubuntu works fine and i install .deb packages or whatever on it form time to time
21:37<macravin>is the mouse not working?
21:37<abrotman>fu_manchu: this still isn't a channel for discussing Ubuntu
21:38<fu_manchu>it works fine
21:39<fu_manchu>there's not mant people in the ubuntu room
21:39<macravin>so then why do you need support???
21:39<abrotman>fu_manchu: #ubuntu on
21:39<fu_manchu>i don't
21:39<abrotman>fu_manchu: not this server, a different one
21:39<fu_manchu>i need to try that
21:39<abrotman>fu_manchu: /server .. then /join #ubuntu
21:39<abrotman>have fun
21:40<macravin>lol, why would you go to #ubuntu on
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21:45<macravin>kop: !ubuntu works...
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21:48<kop>macravin: But everybody does not need to see it.
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21:49<macravin>kop: oh, I see, I thought it just didn't work! I get it now
21:51<abrotman>macravin: this server is
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21:53<Rhapsody>How can I re-enabled the Scroll Lock key in Debian? It doesn't do anything with a default install. I previously made it work on Ubuntu by editing /etc/X11/Xmodmap, but that stopped working. What's the best way to make it work now?
21:53<macravin>abrotman: is a redirect then, xchat says I'm connected to weird
21:54<abrotman>yeah .. that's so weird
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21:58<macravin>Rhapsody: there's an app umm xkeycode or something
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22:04<macravin>Rhapsody: that's right, it's xkeycaps "sudo apt-get install xkeycaps" then run it
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22:06<macravin>Rhapsody? Oh well, you'll see it when you wake up
22:06<abrotman>not everyone has sudo installed or configured
22:06<abrotman>and he should be using aptitude
22:07<abrotman>macravin: stop giving out Ubuntu commands, thank you
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22:07<macravin>abrotman: ??? Ubuntu, what does that have to do with ANYTHING apt-get is debain...
22:08<abrotman>aptitude is the recommended tool, and not every Debian installation has sudo
22:10<macravin>aptitude needs root access to install anyway, ok Rhapsody, if you don't have sudo, then you can use "su -" whatever... then type in the command (and then type visudo to configure sudo)
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22:11<macravin>abrotman: you're giving ubutu way too much credit :)
22:12<abrotman>or you are ...
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22:16<kop>macravin: In lenny the bug is fixed and you don't need the - in su - any more.
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22:31<Rhapsody>Hmm, the XKeyCaps UI doesn't seem especially well-designed. I can scroll down menus, but not up, and the correct setting for my keyboard is above where I am now.
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22:35<Rhapsody>Wow, the Athena widget set. Funny that I'd have to use this after stating that I think making GTK+ 1.x applications should be a criminal offence.
22:36<Rhapsody>But, it seems to work. I'll have to reboot to know for sure, but thanks.
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23:16<redmaw>hi, I need to dual boot the computer running debian, how do I reconfigure grub after installing the new OS so I can boot into either OS?
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23:18<franki^>redmaw: grub 1 or 2?
23:18<redmaw>not sure, what ever is default with lenny
23:19<redmaw>1 it is then
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23:20<franki^>hmm, i'm not sure off the top of my head, i never dual boot, but i should be able to figure it out :)
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23:20<franki^>can you pastebin your menu.list file?
23:21<franki^>menu.lst sorry
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23:25<redmaw>Just found super grub disk which should do the trick
23:25<redmaw>thanks for the help though franki^
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23:26<franki^>cool, and, no problem :)
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23:31<faheem>redmaw: there are some lines you can comment out in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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23:32<faheem>I assume the other OS is Windows, in which case Debian should autodetect
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