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---Logopened Fri Nov 06 00:00:13 2009
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00:10<defiant>how do i get dnsmasq to utilise the local /etc/hosts file when it does a lookup for other client machines? am i missing something obvious?
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00:16<defiant>ok well my other hosts can do the lookup, if the shorthostname (from the /etc/hosts file) is suffixed with a full stop ...
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00:16<goneaway>is there a web accessible list of newly added packages to testing -- like the newpkg list for unstable?
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01:11<RedMaw>!tell redmaw rescue mode
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01:13<RedMaw>what does rescue mode do? All I need to do is fix the boot loader but I can't boot into linux
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01:13<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
01:14<RedMaw>damn that didn't work
01:16<RedMaw>how do I switch over to console from the debian install disk? alt-f2 doesn't do anything
01:16<ajay>hi to all, i have one doubt regarding more than 4GB RAM support ,i have compiled with PAE enabled then also it not detects full ram
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01:17<ajay>if i do high memory=off then only i am able to enable PAE and there is no HIGHMEM64G option in make menuconfig
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01:18<ajay>is any patch is require for vanilla kernel??
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01:20<jm_>alt-f2 works in d-i
01:20<cahoot>ajay: hit / and search
01:21<cahoot>in menucinfig
01:21<ajay>cahoot, in highmem only two option i can see off and 4G not 64 G
01:23<jm_>ajay: PAE option does not work with highmem_4g
01:23<jm_>if you search for PAE you will get to see this
01:23<jm_>and selecting highmem_64g automatially selects it
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01:24<ajay>jm_ yes ,i am using vanilla kernel i am not able to see highmem_64g in make menuconfig but same is available in .config file as unset
01:25<ajay>so is any problem with kernel or menuconfig display?
01:25<jm_>ajay: so search for highmem_64 and you'll see what it depends on etc.
01:25<jm_>actuall highmem64, without the '_'
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01:26<ajay>jm_ do you mean search in Kconfig or .config of kernel?
01:26<vishnu>i don't have high speed connection nternet. i would like to install wvdial by downloading from dpkg -i path to the installation file. is this enough or should i do more.
01:27<jm_>ajay: no, what cahoot suggested you
01:27<vishnu>i am using lenny 5.0
01:27<jm_>vishnu: depends on its dependencies
01:27<jm_>i.e. if you have them or not
01:27<jm_>vishnu: try using apt-zip for this
01:28<vishnu>ok. there are more than 6 dependencies for wvdial. how do i configure to istall them also ?
01:28<jm_>see above
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01:30<vishnu>ok. i will try to install by using the above two methods and revert back 2 u in an hour. thank u.
01:30<jm_>installing apt-zip that way should be trivial since its dependencies are trivial
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01:31<jm_>uhm are minimal
01:32<ajay>jm_ PAE ahs any performanance issue because by default desktop or server is not PAE enable support
01:33<jm_>ajay: all that stuff has negative impact on performance
01:33<jm_>just how much depends on your tasks - in some cases things will be faster, say if you can get it to use memory that is otherwise not usable and machine starts swapping
01:34<ajay>jm_ but it is supporting more than 4 Gb Ram then it should increase performannace
01:34<jm_>ajay: yup, see above - but in general it hurts performance
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01:48<ajay>jm i got it thanks..actually in processor family i was selecting 486 type
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01:49<jm_>ajay: right, it says !386 && !486
01:49<jmarsden>jm_: In an old RedHat whitepaper they said on kernel compiles the PAE performance hit was about 1%, other workloads 0% to 10%.
01:49<jm_>ajay: why 486 though? you need a newer CPU for these features anyway
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01:50<ajay>jm_ yes,always i was choosing 486 as default this works on any system
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01:55<dpkg>* Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1
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01:58<dbldtx>Do any of you fine gentlemen or madames use package 'yeahconsole'?
01:59<jmarsden>!anyone | dbldtx
02:00<jmarsden>!anybody | dbldtx
02:00<jmarsden>Hmmm. dbldtx: Just ask your real question and see who answers.
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02:04<dbldtx>thank you jmarsden - I am researching the topic now, I decided to try one last time, before asking.
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02:05<dbldtx>My question concerns configuration for yeahconsole as I run blackbox and the configuration file (hidden folder and associated .rc?) that everybody tells me should be edited is not in my home directory.
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02:07<jmarsden>dbldtx: I'm not familiar with yeahconsole, but perhaps you just need to copy the default .rc file from /etc/yeahconsolerc (or whatever) to ~/.yeahconsole/yeahconsole.rc and edit it to your liking? What makes you expect that the ~/.yeahconsole/ dir and .rc will be created for you by default?
02:07<dbldtx>It uses xterm for the actual terminal (rendered "--into" the yeahconsole window)
02:07<franki^>have fun reading tfm ;)
02:08<franki^>oh, i msread
02:08<franki^>sorry :P
02:08*franki^ goes to bed
02:08<dbldtx>I love you franki^; sweet dreams, thanks for helping. I love that site.
02:08<franki^>oh, heh :)
02:09<dbldtx> .xsession; thank ya'll, I'm reading and I believe I will get it done tonight - also I have started using mrxvt and I love it.
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02:19<dpkg><stew> autovaccum was killing the box before and I had to kill the postgres cluster. the stupid plugin author was too dumb to make the bot plugin pick up a new database connection <stew> (I'm the stupid plugin author)
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02:32<kritivasas>can anybody help me with gooscan in bt4
02:36<kie27>greets all, am running debian testing, when I run dvips (have a doc with lots of photos in .tex format), it gives me the error "Problems with file writing; probably disk full" when it gets to page 60 something (there are 76 pages in the document).
02:36<kie27>df -h reports 6GB free, I have tried it with CIFS mounted storage that has 1.5TB free, so I don't think this is the problem, anybody have any ideas please?
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02:41<ajay>hi to all, i have created anormal user and added to admin and disk group then also it is able to access other partiotion with nautilus ,is any way other than changing fstab and manually running command to make access other partition to normal user
02:41<faheem>kie27: take this to a text specific forum and/or try googling for the error
02:41<weasel>people come up with horrible ideas all the time,
02:41<faheem>kie27: nothing to do with disk space i'm sure
02:42<weasel>ajay: but I think your's is pretty high up on that list
02:42<faheem>some sort of internal buffer probably
02:42<weasel>don't ever add users to the disk group
02:42<faheem>kie27: text -> tex, sorry
02:42<kie27>faheem: have tried googling without success, can you suggest a suitable forum? ah ok a tex forum :)
02:42<ajay>weasel, then how normal user can get access to other partition?
02:42<faheem>kie27: comp.text.tex for starters
02:43<ajay>i am getting error as no privilege
02:43<kie27>faheem: thanks
02:43<weasel>ajay: what filesystem is on them?
02:43<faheem>kie27: they can at least point you in the right direction
02:43<ajay>weasel, ext3 and ntfs
02:43<weasel>ajay: the ext3 you just mount some place in /mnt, /media, or wherever.
02:43<weasel>ajay: add them to fstab and that's it
02:44<dpkg>rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions). Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
02:44<weasel>I never tried it, but it's what they all use
02:44<weasel>!user accessible ntfs
02:44<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
02:44<faheem>kie27: on second thoughts, it might be a disk problem. are you sure /tmp isn't full or something?
02:44<faheem>kie27: check all your partitions
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02:45<faheem>the size, i mean
02:45<faheem>well, free space. sorry
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02:47<kie27>faheem: my laptop only has 2 partitions, / which has 2.7gb free and /home which has 6.1gb free, i mounted a cifs drive on a /home directory that had 1.5tb free
02:48<kie27>faheem: i mean on a /home subdirectory
02:49<faheem>kie27: hmm. weird
02:49<faheem>try using pdflatex directly? or some other variant of tex?
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02:50<jacquesdupontd>hi everybody
02:50<jacquesdupontd>it makes 2 hours that i'm asking for a simple answer on different channel but it seems nobody's understanding that's why i came here
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02:50<jacquesdupontd>i made a usb bootable disk wich is persistant
02:51<jacquesdupontd>do someone understand that and have already done that ?
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02:52<kie27>faheem: although dvipdf works, i need to use dvips in order to complete a number of steps to get it into booklet format for printing, dvips, then psbook, then pstops before finally pstopdf,
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02:54<faheem>kie27: is this texlive or tetex? debian release?
02:54<kie27>faheem: latex, debian testing
02:55<faheem>kie27: i mean, what tex distribution
02:55<faheem>what is the output of
02:55<faheem>dlocate $(which dvips)
02:56<faheem>dpkg -S $(which dvips)
02:56<dpkg>There is no record of a $(which dvips) package
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02:57<kie27>faheem: texlive-base-bin: /usr/bin/dvips
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02:58<faheem>kie27: do you have it set up to write to file or send to printer? i'm assuming the former
02:59<kie27>faheem: yes just writing to a file
02:59<faheem>kie27: might be some weird testing bug.
03:00<faheem>not sure what to suggest. also worth asking in a debian specific tex forum if such exists and/or filing a bug about this
03:00<faheem>if you can figure out a way to get a reproducible example to the maintainers
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03:05<iskra>is there a terminal command to log onto a ftp address?
03:06<jm_>there are many ftp clients that only require a tty
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03:06<kie27>faheem: tricky, source files for included diagrams (eps format) are around 60MB, approx 135 of them.
03:08<iskra>jm_: any favs? i want to pull all files off my 1&1 ftp onto my server... normally i'd use a gui but i'm forcing myself to experience non-graphical mode =)
03:08<jm_>iskra: lftp
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03:09<iskra>jm: cool... thanks much!
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03:11<iskra>anyone here ever used everyDNS dns hosting?
03:14<faheem>kie27: i assume smaller files work with dvips without problems? odd
03:16<kie27>faheem: haven't tried recently but a month or two ago when i tried with same document when about half the size, yes.
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03:16<kie27>faheem: just testing on a smaller document now...
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03:20<Gun_Smoke>wrong channel..
03:20<kie27>faheem: just tried on an older version of this which is 36 pages long, no problem.
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03:27<kie27>faheem: is there some limit on the size of files somewhere that is causing me a problem?
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03:29<kie27>faheem: my tmpfs is /dev/shm is only 1009MB, could this be the problem?
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03:43<dpkg><penguin> If I run a command int the background like $command & <penguin> What happens if I turn the computer off
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03:57<iskra>jm_: in lftp I'm getting a "directory doesn't exist" using the mirror command ("mirror /media/app/ /"). i'm logged into my ftp and i know the local dir exists... any ideas?
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04:01<jm_>iskra: I will be back in about 30 min, need to run now
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04:03<iskra>jm_: figured it out... thanks tho for the direction!
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04:14<dpkg><pder> will debian run on a computer system?
04:17<dbldtx>quote of the day.
04:18<zeroXten>yeah, it was the question that puzzled me :)
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04:23<iskra>anyone know how to cancel all file operations in lftp?
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04:40<Woet>Is it possible to give an ID/name to an iptable rule?
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04:40<Woet>like, iptable -S moo -A INPUT -s -j DROP
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04:44<locklace>man iptables | less '+/comment'
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04:46<anonissimus>why use iptables if you can have solutions like fortinet
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04:48<petemc>lots of people find pointing and clicking less desirable than editing text
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04:49<petemc>ive never heard of fortinet either, but it looks like they want money
04:49<Woet>because I like open source, free, simple, thoroughly tested software? :p
04:50<anonissimus>a) you can configure it entirly by text, b) it's hardware... what do you expect
04:50<babilen>anonissimus: iptables is a packet filtering software. Fortinet seems to provide Hardware with preconfigured with some software. I don't really see how this is related?
04:50<petemc>anonissimus: why use fortinet when you have solutions like iptables?
04:50<anonissimus>because managing iptables is so time consuming
04:50<petemc>no its not
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04:51<Woet>iptables -A INPUT -s -j DROP
04:51<Woet>how is that time consuming?
04:51<Woet>this chat took longer
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04:51<anonissimus>Woet: I ment in general, if you have to configure from scratch
04:52<petemc>anonissimus: do you forget which channel you're in?
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04:52<anonissimus>petemc: I know, is being critical to what is held self evident a crime in here?
04:53<petemc>anonissimus: critical? i dont see that you are, you're asking people who obviously like free software why they dont buy a firewall appliance, it seems a silly question
04:55<anonissimus>or, from my point of view: I provide people who might have a lot of trouble setting up iptables with a solution that makes life easy, and offloads packet filtering from your system
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04:55<petemc>oh, so you sell fortinet?
04:55<petemc>i guess it makes sense now...
04:55<anonissimus>the company where I work sells them
04:56<anonissimus>it's not like I get a cut
04:56<anonissimus>I just like their product compared to configuring iptables
04:56<dr|z3d>So you're offering commercial solutions in here to folk who need help?
04:56<anonissimus>it is more a personal than a commercial point of view
04:56<dr|z3d>Seems to me you're in the wrong place here to make those recommendations.
04:56<anonissimus>didn't know it would irk someone
04:57<dr|z3d>Oh, so fortinet is commercial, or free?
04:57<anonissimus>it is not free, nor is it open source, as far as I know
04:57<dr|z3d>Next you'll be telling us "use windows, it's easier to configure" :)
04:57<anonissimus>but it is, imho, a good alternative to iptables
04:58<dr|z3d>It might be, but here's not the place to recommend it.
04:58<babilen>anonissimus: iptables and pf are relatively easy to configure and should be nothing a system administrator is afraid of. The hard part is usually understanding the underlying principles. And why use an appliance if you can easily build it yourself with free software and the freedom to configure the system exactly as you want it to be?
04:58<anonissimus>fine, I just stfu
04:59*babilen points to #debian-offtopic
05:00*anonissimus builds a wall with empty fortinet product boxes and hides.
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05:00<Woet>if I want a hardware firewall I'll just get cisco guard, anonissimus :)
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05:01<Woet>and no, i won't get a hardware firewall to block 1 IP.
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05:23<peej>if you want iptables managed at a higher level, shorewall does that. The trouble with that is the rules generated get pretty messy looking. At least for me.
05:23<Woet>I'm logging into my servers using a public/private key, and it works fine on all servers except one
05:24<Woet>I checked the md5sums of sshd_config and authorized_keys, they match
05:24<Woet>the chmods are fine too, and auth.log shows "Did not receive identification string from X.X.X.X"
05:24<Woet>any idea?
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05:27<locklace>peej: ferm is much better
05:28<peej>logging in as root? Have you set allow login as root on the problem server?
05:29<Woet>hmm, i think it's because of some odd configurations by the server provider
05:29<Woet>i'll reinstall it
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05:31<TRex>does debain have a equivilant to a batch file?
05:32<TRex>to automate cmds
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05:32<locklace>dpkg: qotd256 is <reply><TRex> does debain have a equivilant to a batch file?
05:32<dpkg>locklace: okay
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05:34<peej>ferm (initial look) is interesting. A configuration language that encourages nesting, based on perl parsing.
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05:42<cassetout>hey ppl. I need a clean lenny environment (i'm using backports) so use debootstrap lenny lenny/; mount -o bind /proc lenny/proc; chroot lenny. I'm inside the chroot I install the standard stuff and a kernel: tasksel install standard; apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6-686.
05:43<cassetout>I leave the chroot and go back, type "uname -a" and still get "Linux myhost 2.6.30-backports.1-686"
05:43<themill>cassetout: the kernel doesn't change inside the chroot. It's only a different / not a different machine.
05:43<cassetout>How can i use the kernel inside the chroot?
05:43<themill>cassetout: If you really need a different kernel, then you need a VM like kvm, vbox, vmware etc
05:44<cassetout>thanks themill
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05:51<TRex>im on ubuntu
05:51<TRex>im trying to compile some shit
05:51<TRex>how can I copy paste the cmds in a file
05:51<TRex>and run it
05:51<TRex>thats all I want to do
05:52<TRex>like I had it in a file
05:52<TRex>how do I run it
05:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
05:52<TRex>dont cmd me noob
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05:52<TRex>same crap, both linux
05:52<noflash>TRex, not the same, ubuntu isn't supported here
05:53<TRex>do you use kde in debian?
05:53<TRex>is my question related?
05:53<dr|z3d>TRex: Try gedit's plugins. And #ubuntu on freenode.
05:53<pjoshi>how to configure MRTG on debian.. any docs, ebook ??
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05:54<TRex>man its a GUI question, love how you guys are so jealous of ubuntu, which is based off debian, is somehow not worthy of your answer
05:54<themill>TRex: please ask in #ubuntu on
05:54<TRex>is ridiculous, both linux, both use the same crap
05:54<dr|z3d>TRex: If you weren't trolling so hard, you'd have already read an answer.
05:54<TRex>whatever noob,your clearly an idiot
05:54<jm_>pjoshi: did you try with cfgmaker?
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05:55<babilen>TRex: No need to get personal. Ubuntu and Debian are different distributions. Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, Debian support in #debian.
05:55<pjoshi>yes, i followed steps given on site
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05:55<pjoshi>which include cfgmaker..
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05:56<pjoshi>but not getting any graphs.. :(
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05:58<peej>locklace, is really quite helpful ;-)
05:58<Darkedge>uh Does anyone have a Mupen64 Debian Package?
05:59<jm_>did you verify snmpget/snmpwalk gets any useful results at all?
06:00<pjoshi>no.. let me try again all the steps.. i'm trying this on debain installed on Virtualbox
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06:04<TRex>dr|z3d banned me from #tor for calling you guys noobs, apparently hes upset, so I clearly need to say, he and you can eat a dick, fuck you irc nerds, 100% chance you're on here 24/7
06:04<TRex>you wonder why you have no friends
06:04<TRex>fucking idiots, eat shit
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06:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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06:05*dr|z3d chuckles.
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06:09<munga_>reading the apt-get manpage this should install acl : apt-get -s remove +acl ... however it tells me that the package "+acl" does not exist ... wrong syntax or a bug in the parser ?
06:09<dr|z3d>Try removing the +
06:10<munga_>the point is to have the + in the request ...
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06:10<dr|z3d>apt-cache search +acl -> Regex compilation error
06:10<munga_>similarly apt-get -s install -acl should remove acl ...
06:11<munga_>yes yes ... but the manpage says the opposite ... I'm trying to understand if I've to fill a bug report or not
06:11<dr|z3d>aptitude remove acl should work fine, and is preferred.
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06:13<jm_>munga: try acl+ instead of +acl
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06:14<munga_>yes "is append" !!
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06:14<munga_>nice so apt-get install acl+ e apt-get remove acl+ is the same :) ah !
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06:49<stevem_>If you had to guess, would you say a Base system install of Debian 5 would be bigger with amd64 ot i386?
06:50<azeem>stevem_: amd64
06:50<azeem>by a bit
06:50<stevem_>See thats what my thoughts were, but we are wrong
06:50<stevem_>i386... 437mb
06:51<stevem_>but I'm baffled as to why
06:51<azeem>1. compare the list of installed packages
06:51<azeem>2. check whether the .debs are still lying around in /var/cache/apt/archives
06:51<stevem_>i386 seems to have 140 packages, amd64 139
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06:52<stevem_>this is a df -h immediately after install
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06:53<stevem_>lemme re-install both versions again lol
06:53<stevem_>just to be on the safe side
06:53<azeem>are you sure it matters a lot?
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06:54<stevem_>azeem, well I was investigating what packages are a part of the base - just curious really
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07:07<stevem_>azeem, does libc6 take up alot of space do you think
07:07<azeem>stevem_: why don't you check yourself?
07:07<stevem_>azeem, the i386 version has libc6-i686
07:07<stevem_>and the amd64 version doesn't
07:08<stevem_>so that might be it
07:08<stevem_>sorry snippy
07:09<azeem>stevem_: 2.7 MB according to
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07:30<bird> Is it ubuntu totem-pps installed on debian testint ?
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07:31<babilen>bird: What?
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07:34<bird>totem-pps is the package of ubuntu . does it installed into debian .
07:36<petemc>probably not
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07:37<bird>totem-pps does it loaded in debian?
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07:37<petemc>!tell bird about search
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08:09<fcs-deb>hatte das Problem schon mehrmals, wei- aber jetyt woran es liegt / undzwar aendert sich das Tastaturlayout auf english, nachdem ich nvidia Treiber installiert habe ........ jeglicher Versuch es zy aendern hat nichts gebracht! bitte um hilfe
08:09<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:22<Lucas_BP>erro initrans ?
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08:27<x2y2>hi,how can i get the version of a dynamic link library file as ?thanks
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08:32<jm_>x2y2: what do you mean with version?
08:34<craigevil>x2y2: use apt-file search to find the package that provides the lib
08:35<x2y2>well, tells me the version is 1.2.3, I got a private which isn't in source, how can i know the version?
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08:36<Titan8990>x2y2, thats not the version
08:37<jm_>it's soname AFAIK
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08:40<loolp>jm_: screen applies "clear" by pushing the current contents in the scrollback, like konsole and unlike xterm. however, unlike konsole, it does the same when i use escape codes to only delete a few lines, which messes my scrollback. so i prefer screen to behave like xterm. how can i do it?
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09:22<leo>hi ppls
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09:23<leo>can anyone please tell me why after installing linux headers kernel version 2.6.26, xchat disappears?
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09:24<leo>and in order to use xchat linux-headers has to be removed?
09:24<Xenguy>leo: I doubt there is any relationship at all between those two events
09:24<Xenguy>there certainly shouldn't be
09:24<leo>i am certain they conflicted
09:25<Xenguy>are you sure? And if yes, what are the details?
09:25<leo>100% ...
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09:25<leo>The following NEW packages will be installed:
09:25<leo> xchat xchat-common{a}
09:25<leo>The following packages will be REMOVED:
09:25<leo> linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common{u} linux-kbuild-2.6.26{u}
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09:26<Xenguy>welcome back
09:26<leo>oops sorry
09:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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09:27<Xenguy>leo: BTW are you using: stable/lenny? aptitude or apt-get?
09:27<leo>stable lenny aptitute
09:28<leo>but i have a more important question now - sorry to change the subject
09:28<leo>i should have asked this 1st
09:28<leo>which should i install for intel 4965agn wireless? out of:
09:29<leo>iwlwifi-4965-ucode- OR iwlwifi-1.0.0-1
09:29<Xenguy>OK, heads up, I am short of time, and probably have to leave soon, but of course there are an army of dedicated linux fanatics in this channel to help ;-)
09:29<leo>phew thanks for helping!
09:29<Xenguy>leo: I am wireless challenged, so hopefully someone else can offer advice
09:30<Xenguy>leo: as for xchat, I am going to try installing it with apt-get to see what happens, sec
09:30<leo>cool thanks - i'll have to get apt-get lol
09:31<leo>(if that works)
09:31<leo>can someone please explain the difference between iwlwifi-1.0.0-1 and iwlwifi-4965-ucode?
09:31<gsimmons>leo: iwlwifi-1.0.0-1.tgz is an iwlwifi driver snapshot for kernels 2.6.18 to 2.6.23. You don't need this for Lenny.
09:31<leo>ahh thanks heaps!
09:31<leo>will proceed with the other driver
09:31<gsimmons>leo: And please use the firmware packaged in non-free (firmware-iwlwifi) for support of your device ; /msg dpkg non-free sources
09:32<Xenguy>leo: there is no mention of 'headers' when I go to install xchat, FYI
09:32<leo>excellent ty Xenguy will try that when wireless is up and running
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09:33<Xenguy>leo: <-- details
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09:33<leo>thanks gsimmons
09:33<Xenguy>leo: beware of mixing aptitude and apt-get though - supposedly it isn't a good idea, so you might want to double-check that point before using apt-get
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09:38<evelyn>how do i make mpeg 4 audio play in gstreamer (for SL)?
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09:38<evelyn>google suggests i need but says libfaad, but that file doesn't seem to exist
09:39<evelyn>i do have the debian-multimedia apt source
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09:39<r4y3k>hi chan
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09:40<leo>i'm a little bit confused - should i use firmware-iwlwifi instead of iwlwifi driver because it will save me time and be easier?
09:42<gsimmons>leo: The firmware-iwlwifi package only provides firmware/microcode for use by the driver. The driver for your 4965-based device (iwl4965) is already included with Lenny.
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09:44<leo>my wireless card should work without need to install microcode?
09:44<gsimmons>leo: No, the microcode is required.
09:45<leo>ok - i have the iwlwifi-4965.ucode file in lib/firmware
09:45<leo>is that sufficient?
09:45<leo>don't ask me how it got there
09:46<leo>because i installed the microcode on install
09:46<leo>and i saw it had some error about -2 cannot read microcode
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09:46<leo>i'm guessing because of this switch function on the keyboard
09:47<leo>but i cannot turn it on by pressing like i can in windows
09:47<leo>so i think there's some other command i might be missing
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09:49<gsimmons>leo: You should have iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode and iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode in /lib/firmware, as these represent different microcode versions. Install the firmware-iwlwifi package if you haven't already, then reload the iwl4965 driver via modprobe.
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09:56<leo_>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi"
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09:57<leo_>am i connected?
09:57<leo_>which is the best source to use please?
09:57<gsimmons>leo_: Are you referencing non-free in your sources.list? As mentioned before, the package is in non-free.
09:58<fredl>does Lenny's ulogd1 support NFLOG targets and do syslog emu by default?
09:59<leo_>oh yes, that'd be it thank you!
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09:59<Woet>I'm missing ssh_host_key and in /etc/ssh, how would I generate those?
10:00<fredl>does Lenny's ulogd(1) support nflog targets and write a syslog emu logfile by default?
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10:00<weasel>you don't really need them.
10:00<weasel>just tell sshd to only use the ssh_host_rsa key
10:00<Woet>well, I'm having trouble logging into this one server using my public/private key
10:00<weasel>how is that related?
10:00<Woet>well, I'm trying to find the cause..
10:00<Woet>the chmods of /root, /root/.ssh and /root/.ssh/authorized_keys is right
10:00<weasel>what does the log say?
10:01<Woet>the md5sum of authorized_keys and sshd_config matches those of another server where the keyfiles do work
10:01<Woet>auth.log I guess?
10:01<weasel>for instance
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10:01<Woet>'Did not receive identification string from'
10:01<Woet>but these errors show up in the auth.log of the other server too, and it works there
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10:02<weasel>and what does ssh -v say?
10:02<Woet>OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
10:02<Woet>matches the other server as well
10:02<weasel>that's not what ssh -v says.
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10:02<weasel>you might want to use a pastebin for the whole output.
10:02<weasel>also, paste the output of ls -ld / /root /root/.ssh /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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10:03<weasel>have a nice day
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10:24<bakakas>I use only ssh to connect with my pc(lenny server). I start vlc-nox and load a station, vlc uses only 5% of my cpu. I disconnect and connect back again, now vlc uses 99% of my cpu. can somebody help me?
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10:37<kop>bakakas: Have you done the basics? Looked at the logs? Started vlc-nox from the terminal to see what it outputs? Started it with the verbosity turned up? Stuff like that.
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10:46<bakakas>kop: thanks. but i think vlc works fine as long as i stay there. only if i reconnect top shows that vlc uses 99% of my cpu
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10:49<bakakas>kop: vlc -v print this "main private warning: Unable to get HAL device properties"
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10:57<kop>bakakas: I'm not all that likely to come up with an answer to your problem. But, when does that message happen? If it's when vlc starts then it may not have anything to do with your problem. If it appears upon the second connection attempt then that's likely the problem. What version of debian? Have you checked the bug reports? Try googling "vlc" and the error message in quotes.
10:58<kop>bakakas: Also, check that it's not the disconnection that's causing the problem instead of the re-connection. You may get better stats with either vmstat or ps than with top with respect to isolating your problem.
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11:00<bakakas>kop: Thanks, i have already google it but i can't find an anwser.
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11:04<kaneda>i'm having a problem creating an xfs file system on one of my partitions
11:05<kaneda>whenever i try to mkfs.xfs i receive the error dm_task_set_name: Device /dev/dm-x not found
11:06<kaneda>i've tried creating the partition with the non-link name in mapper, and it receive exactly the same error
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11:08<kaneda>i'll be idling if anyone has any ideas
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11:17<bremner>the ui fonts (menus) in okular look like pixelized crap in squeeze. I don't have a full KDE install; I don't see how to configure the fonts from within okular. Is there some Xresource I can use?
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11:53<micha-->hi, i just migrated from an i386 system to amd64, and now evolution won't start
11:53<micha--> it says (evolution:17994): camel-WARNING **: camel_exception_get_id called with NULL parameter.
11:53<micha--> GLib-ERROR **: /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.22.2/glib/gmem.c:136: failed to allocate 31739410856 bytes
11:53<micha--> aborting...
11:53-!-micha-- was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:54<micha-->sorry for that
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11:55<micha-->anyway, i tried moving .evolution away but it dindt help, any ideas?
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11:56<goodger_>micha--: it looks like an out of memory error
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11:57<goodger_>which I suspect stems from an improper transition to amd64
11:57<goodger_>how did you migrate the system?
11:59<micha-->goodger_, i installed amd64 on the new box and rsynced the home directories
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12:01<micha-->yes, it looks like an out of memory error, but i dont understand why. is evolution trying to load my mail archive 10 times over?
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12:03<bastardooo>hi there.. i deleted one partition and now i`m wondering how or with what program to recover the data from it, anyone?
12:04<tux_boy>hello which is the best live usb creator for debian.? I tried unetbootin and it sucked hard. dint work at all
12:05<micha-->goodger_, any ideas what to try next?
12:05<goodger_>micha--: I'm afraid I don't, I'm sorry
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12:05<micha-->ok, thanks anyway :)
12:05<bastardooo>hi there.. i deleted one partition and now i`m wondering how or with what program to recover the data from it, anyone?
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12:06<tsuyoshi>what is a good way to filter spam? I tried to install dspam but I cannot get it to work
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12:07<micha-->bastardooo, if you just deleted it in the partition table, try adding it again (but dont format it)
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12:07<micha-->tsuyoshi, try spamassassin, that works
12:07<bastardooo>micha-- i delete it from Gparted, and then i create 10 Gb NTFS partition in the END of the disk
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12:08<tsuyoshi>guess I'll start by removing dspam..
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12:10<tsuyoshi>if you were ever thinking of trying out dspam: don't
12:11<tsuyoshi>I've been using debian for 14 years and I have never encountered a more broken and poorly documented package
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12:26<tsuyoshi>so.. the description for the sa-exim package is talking about exim4-daemon-heavy
12:26<tsuyoshi>what exactly should I install, if I have a standard exim4 configuration already?
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12:46<nikon>is this channel german or english?
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12:46<kaneda>nikon, english, AFAIK
12:46<kaneda>but i'm new
12:46<nikon>kaneda thx
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12:49<valdyn>tsuyoshi: you should read the entire desciption and make up your own mind
12:50<kaneda>tsuyoshi, exim mail server
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12:50<valdyn>tsuyoshi: installing the heavy package doesnt change your current configuration, it just adds features
12:51<kaneda>i know we run exim downstairs
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12:59<jthomas_sb>I have an Acer Aspire 3000 laptop which will, occasionally and without any consistancy, turn the screen black after the screensaver runs for a while, and it will not wake up unless we [ctrl][alt][f1] and then [ctrl][alt][f7] to get back to X and KDE, at which point it works. I've tried the custom winischhofer driver from but that didn't fix it, nor did removing that driver fix it. Thoughts?
12:59<jthomas_sb>Running Testing and KDE4.
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13:46<rjent>Greetings, what packages do I need to install to play encrypted dvd's on a notebook? I am running sid.
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13:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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13:52<adema>yeah! I just upgraded my system(i'm using debian testing) and now totem crash^^
13:52<adema>what a wonderfull upgrade
13:52<kaneda>totem sucks
13:53<Titan8990>you went from a thoroughly tested "stable" system to basically one thats in beta
13:53<Titan8990>what did you expect?
13:53<adema>i was in testing already
13:53<adema>just did a safe-upgrade
13:53<Titan8990>oh... so your now mixing testing and unstable
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13:53<adema>i'm not
13:54<Titan8990>oh, just upgraded current packages, sorry, understand now
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13:59<rjent>dmm sid
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14:09<informatica>buenos dias....
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14:09<informatica>alguien podria ayudar
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14:10<informatica>por casualidad alguien me puede ayudar, a como instalar sigesp en debian
14:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:49<macravin>new gdm is out for squeeze!
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15:05<leo>hi all
15:05<xente>does anyone here know of a good xml library?
15:05<xente>for C
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15:06<leo>i have a problem with building the nvidia-xconfig file when trying to install nvidia drivers using aptitude and m-a
15:06<leo>any suggestions?
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15:07<crowd>I tried to format a SD card into ext3 with no success
15:07<Titan8990>leo, whats the error?
15:07<leo>error message is: "Build of the package nvidia-xconfig failed! How do you wish to proceed?"
15:07<Titan8990>leo, it usually lists a file to look at a build log
15:08<Titan8990>crowd, how did you try to format it?
15:08<leo>then i can view the build log file location
15:08<Titan8990>crowd, and you should probably use ext2
15:08<crowd>now i can't delete the partiotion i created with fdisk
15:08<Titan8990>leo, pastebin it
15:08<Titan8990>crowd, what does it say when you try?
15:08<RedCoral>Is there any channel in Spanish?
15:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:09<crowd>nothing much, when i do fdisk /dev/sdb and then press d (to delete) and w to write its saying The partition table has been altered!
15:09<crowd>Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
15:09<crowd>Syncing disks.
15:10<crowd>but then when i run fdisk again it has this partition again
15:10<leo>not a very revealing log file
15:11<crowd> /dev/sdb1 1 1948 3950543+ 83 Linux
15:11<valdyn>crowd: the new partition table cannot be used till all partitions were unmounted
15:11<crowd>The partition is not mounted
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15:11<valdyn>crowd: sdb1 is
15:12<crowd>sd card
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15:12<valdyn>crowd: you *cant* use the new partition table before *all* partitions from that device were unmounted *and* the ioctl() was done while all were unmounted
15:13<valdyn>crowd: was that the case?
15:13<crowd>valdyn: what i am trying to do is to delete this partition and recreate a new one
15:13<crowd>I have only one partition in this sd card
15:13<crowd>and its not mounted
15:14<valdyn>crowd: a new one that is different from the old one how?
15:14<crowd>I tried to use both fdisk and GParted to remove this partition with no success
15:14<Titan8990>leo, pastebin: /var/cache/modass/nvidia-xconfig.buildlog.2.6.26-2-686.125753700
15:15<Titan8990>wait... xconfig...
15:15<Titan8990>I think thats just a simple application for configuring xorg
15:15<crowd>valdyn: I tried to format the SD to ext3 with no success (I couldnt mount the partition after fsck it) so i am trying to reformat ti fat32
15:15<Titan8990>leo, aptitude install nvidia-xconfig
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15:15<valdyn>crowd: ok - why would partitioning have anything to do with that?
15:16<crowd>what do you mean by that ?
15:16<valdyn>crowd: why are you using fdisk when you are only wanting to change the filesystem?
15:16<crowd>hmmm well i am kinda newbie and thats what i found in google :)
15:17<leo>Thanks Titan8990, that makes a lot of sense i can't beleive the instructions i had didn't say that
15:17<valdyn>crowd: i think youre deleting the partition and recreating the partition and its working perfectly fine
15:17<crowd>hmmm i don'
15:17<valdyn>crowd: but you arent understanding that doing the abovementioned is not actually changing anything
15:17<crowd>don't think so
15:17<valdyn>crowd: recreating a partition is not change the fact that its ext3
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15:17<crowd>well i know that
15:18<Titan8990>leo, were using the instructions on the wiki?
15:18<valdyn>crowd: you just want to run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1"
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15:18<crowd>ok i did that
15:18<Titan8990>valdyn, i think he wanted to mke2fs /dev/sdb1
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15:18<valdyn>oh, i thought he wanted fat
15:18<crowd>its saying "mkfs.vfat 3.0.1 (23 Nov 2008)"
15:19<valdyn>crowd: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt
15:19<crowd>now i do fdisk -l and get that:
15:19<valdyn>crowd: stop using fdisk
15:19<valdyn>crowd: fdisk has nothing to do with this
15:19<crowd> /dev/sdb1 1 1948 3950543+ 83 Linux
15:19<valdyn>crowd: as expected
15:19<Titan8990>leo, you should, its never failed me
15:19<crowd>valdyn: I dont follow
15:20<leo>which wiki is that one please?
15:20<valdyn>crowd: your sdb1 is formatted with the vfat aka fat32 filesystem
15:20<Titan8990>valdyn, no, he wanted ext3 but I was suggesting ext2 for the small size
15:20<valdyn>crowd: mount it and use it
15:20<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia ( Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
15:20<valdyn>crowd: *or* if you want ext2, run mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1
15:20<Titan8990>leo, the guide there
15:20<leo>Titan8990, thanks
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15:21<valdyn>crowd: i dont really know what you want because theres contradicting information floating here
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15:21<crowd>i can't .. when i do mount /dev/sdb1 /media/winxp -t vfat i get:
15:21<crowd>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
15:21<crowd> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
15:21<crowd> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
15:21<crowd>dmesg tail or so
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15:22<crowd>how do i paste here without been kicked ?
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15:23<valdyn>crowd: you dont
15:24<crowd>valdyn: I still cant mount the fs
15:24<xente>does anyone here know of a good xml library in C?
15:24<valdyn>crowd: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1, then try again
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15:26<crowd>valdyn: look here pls
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15:27<crowd>Is there a way to force deletion of partition ?
15:27<crowd>I simply can't get rid of this partition
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15:28<valdyn>crowd: sd card is broken?
15:28<zzz> what is going on with amavisd setup, the config is scattered over hells half acre! why the multi file config, what is the advantage?
15:29<valdyn>crowd: show us the output of the "dmesg" command too
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15:29<crowd>valdyn: it wasn't broken 20 min ago :(
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15:30<cusco>im at the debian installer right now
15:30<cusco>it says mkinitramfs: for root missing /sys/block/ entry
15:30<cusco>and its unable to install the kernel
15:30<cusco>before that shows: readlink: missing operand
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15:31<cusco>so dpkg errors setting up the kernel image
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15:33<Titan8990>cusco, what version of debian?
15:33<cusco>the installer is squeeze
15:34<crowd>valdyn: here is it :
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15:34<Titan8990>cusco, the testing and unstable installers are often broken, install a minimal lenny then upgrade to squeeze
15:35<cusco>testing installer is not that often bronken, and yes that ocurred my mind
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15:36<crowd>valdyn: any ideas ?
15:37<valdyn>crowd: reboot, the recreate the partition, then mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1, then mount it
15:37<valdyn>crowd: theres something wrong currently, i dont have time or energy to debug it
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15:38<valdyn>crowd: partition or vfat fs being > device
15:39<crowd>valdyn: you think rebooting should solve the problem ?
15:39<valdyn>crowd: who knows, i dont
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15:40<crowd>OK i will reboot and see what happen
15:40<crowd>thanks for now
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15:46<crowd>valdyn: It didn't help
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15:47<valdyn>crowd: somehow fat is not getting along with the partition size
15:48<valdyn>crowd: so make sure the partition is a little smaller than the device and divisible be at least 2 if not 4
15:48<crowd>valdyn: i am trying to delete the partition with no success
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15:48<valdyn>crowd: how are you doing that?
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15:48<crowd>fdisk /dev/sdb and then pressing d and then w
15:48<valdyn>crowd: and then?
15:49<crowd>fdisk reports nothing (Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. and then Syncing disks.) but when i do fdisk -l again i see the damn partition
15:50<valdyn>crowd: ok
15:50<valdyn>crowd: that sdcard is broken
15:50<valdyn>crowd: one thing is sure, that that sd card disk controller is junk
15:50<valdyn>crowd: because its not reporting errors anyway
15:51<valdyn>crowd: or sd cards are simply cheap tech too, which might be why you dont see write errors
15:51<crowd>valdyn: that SD card worked 30 min ago, with fat 32, i wan't to format it to ext3 so i removed its partition and recreated it with fdisk, then all problems started
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15:52<RedCoral>I need to see kanji, how do I install the sources of the East?
15:52<crowd>I still think i am doing something wrong
15:52<valdyn>crowd: you still are thinking that partitioning was somehow necessary
15:52<valdyn>crowd: which it wasnt
15:53<valdyn>crowd: but between kernel driver and sd card controller and sdcard something is broken, most likely the sd card
15:53<crowd>valdyn: now i understand it wasnt but that what i did and i dont thin that should have distroy the sd card
15:53<RedCoral>how install the japanese font?
15:53<valdyn>crowd: always has to be *one* write that destroys it
15:54<Xenguy>Q. If I had a 2nd bootable hard drive to my workstation, but I don't want the PC to boot off that 2nd/new hard drive, can I just remove the 'bootable' flag with fdisk?
15:54<Xenguy>If I add*
15:54<crowd>valdyn: this is a new card (two months old)
15:54<crowd>I will try with my XP laptop see what happen
15:56<kop>crowd: The stupid thing about flash is that there's remapping on the card that's done transparently. This means that the partition table may not be where you think it is. The only cards I've found to reilably boot, for instance, are sandisk cards. Transmeta cards that are "industrial" are supposed to work also, but are much more expensive, and about 3 times more expensive than that are some other cards, I forget the name.
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15:57<kop>crowd: The cards just don't do ide properly, and, for instance, remap the boot sector.
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15:58<crowd>kop: how do i remap the boot sector ?
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16:00<sarc>I am using an Intel i7 cpu. I was wondering if there is a way to determine which physical core Debian assigns cpu0, cpu1, cpu2.. etc to. I am trying to use pthread_setaffinity to get various threads to execute on different physical cores and not just different threads on the same core.
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16:00<kop>crowd: You have no control what so ever. So, the remapping the card does may know about the partitioning (and boot stuff) shipped with the card but once you mess that up you're stuck. It does not make any sense to me, but, for instance, I've never been able to repartition a usb stick and make it bootable.
16:00<valdyn>sarc: read /proc/cpuinfo
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16:01<crowd>hmmm sounds like a dead end :(
16:01<valdyn>sarc: every physical and virtual core is uniqueley identified there
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16:01<kop>crowd: I always buy sandisk cf so I don't have to think about it.
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16:02<valdyn>sarc: you may be talking about a specific monitoring program like "top" though
16:02<crowd>kop: I refuse to belive that KINGSTON is the problem :)
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16:03<kop>crowd: Now, this is all supposition on my part, and it may have more to do with ide compatability than block remapping, but if repartitioning borked the card then bad hardware design is the problem.
16:03<sarc>so is "processor :1" equivalent to "cpu1"
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16:03<valdyn>sarc: no
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16:05<sarc>yes, i am sorry
16:05<sarc>in top it says cpu0, cpu1 etc
16:05<valdyn>sarc: i think you have processor: X for each physical core in /proc/cpuinfo
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16:06<valdyn>sarc: so if you have 2 threads per core then thats processor: 1 twice
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16:06<sarc>so if i call pthread_setaffinity with a cpu mask of 2 what processor is that in /proc/cpuinfo
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16:07<kop>valdyn: Isn't there some hardware reporting program that gives details (which may be in proc anyway). Starts with an 'h'?? Any clue what I'm thinking of?
16:07<valdyn>kop: for what?
16:07<valdyn>kop: you mean htop?
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16:07<valdyn>sarc: im not that familiar with phread_setaffinity
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16:09<kop>valdyn: Not htop. Something that shows lots of detail about the hardware itself, I seem to recall just the cpu. Don't worry too much about it. I've forgotten and it's bugging me.
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16:10<sarc>we have 1 physical cpu with 4 physical cores, 8 logical cores... here's what /proc/cpuinfo says: proc 0 physical 1 core 0, proc 1 physical 1 core 1, proc 2 physical 1 core 2, proc 3 physical 1 core 3, proc 4 physical 1 core 0, proc 5 physical 1 core 1, proc 6 physical 1 core 2, and proc 7 physical 1 core 3... does that mean that cpu0 and cpu4 are on the same physical core, cpu1 and cpu5 are on the same physical core, cpu2 and c
16:10<kop>sarc: You could use taskset and an infinite while loop in shell to test. If you're really wondering read the taskset code and it probably uses the call you're interested in.
16:11<sarc>taskset does processes.. dont think it shows threads but i could be wrong
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16:13<kop>sarc: Wouldn't the bitmask meaning be the same?
16:13<kop>slion: Hello
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16:15<sarc>kop: I am assuming but it's hard to test so i need to make sure that i get it right
16:15<slion>i miss this stuff, been away from linux for a while.
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16:16<kop>sarc: When you figure it out submit a bug report to fix the man page. If nothing else the report will be something you can go back and look at later. :-)
16:17<sarc>what's wrong with the man page?
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16:17<kop>sarc: It does not tell you what you need to know.
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16:17<bgat>here's an odd one. I'm running X on armel, and when I invoke startx I get a blank screen; on the other hand, if I invoke X --retro, I get the expected screen with the X cursor and crosshatching. Anyone have any ideas?
16:17<bgat>The above is with sid
16:18<kop>sarc: Unless maybe there's something in the kernel docs that describes the design.
16:18<bgat>... and fbdev
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16:21<bgat>I guess I just needed one or two more ohnoseconds... :)
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16:21<bgat>I'm using evilwm, and I just noticed that when it comes up under startx the CPU pegs at 100%; things appear to work fine if I use blackbox instead
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16:29<bgat>hmmm.... appears that evilwm doesn't like it when you don't have a .xinitrc
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16:32<mettao87>hi guys, I have a problem with the usbstick, 1)I can't mount it. 2)dmesg in terminal: I don't understand the right sda/sdb... of my usb. It is a Kingston vfat 8gb pen. Can you help me? Thank you.
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16:33<Gpsin>hello metto
16:33<Xenguy>mettao87: the white ones, with black? If yes, they should automount in gnome for example
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16:33<cahoot>mettao87: unplug/replug it an put the ouptut of dmesg | tail -15 on a pastebin
16:34<mettao87>cahoot: ok
16:34<Gpsin>ya it will out mount
16:36<mettao87>cahoot: ok, it is sdb1, I think.
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16:36<cahoot>what does 'mount' say?
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16:37<mettao87>cahoot: unable to mount device. If I do this: you think it is right?
16:38<cahoot>what's the ouput of 'mount' ?
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16:39<Piet>hmm, wouldn't be better for linux distros to start using SHA-256 or SHA-512 hashes in /etc/shadow by now? According to CRYPT(3) it's supported since glibc 2.7... (so, since debian lenny for example)
16:39<mettao87>cahoot: unable to mount media. there is probably no media in the drive
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16:40<cahoot>mettao87: just type mount in a terminal and put the output on a pastebin
16:40<mettao87>cahoot: ok, sorry
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16:41<cahoot>mettao87: ok it isn't mounted automatically
16:42<cahoot>mettao87: create a mountpoint as root - like mkdir /media/usbstick
16:42<mettao87>cahoot: created
16:43<mettao87>cahoot: only the directory
16:43<cahoot>mettao87: now try (as root) mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbstick -t auto
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16:44<mettao87>cahoot: I see the files now. Ok
16:44<mettao87>cahoot: and for and automatic mount?
16:44<cahoot>mettao87: now run /msg dpkg vfatrw in your irc client
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16:46<mettao87>cahoot: I have to write /dev...... in fstab, right?
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16:48<cahoot>mettao87: the msg from the bot should tell you what to do
16:49<mettao87>cahoot: ok, thanks.
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16:52<babilen>mettao87: Which desktop environment/window manager are you running (if at all)?
16:52<Gpsin>i am on gnome
16:53<mettao87>babile: gnome
16:53<babilen>Gpsin: wmii
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16:54<Gpsin>babilen: wmii stans for?
16:54<babilen>mettao87: Ok, are you member of the group "plugdev" ?
16:54<babilen>Gpsin: google it
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16:55<Gpsin>babilen : yp got
16:55<mettao87>babilen: I don't know, but I think no.
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16:55<babilen>!tell mettao87 -about gnome-volume-manager
16:55<babilen>mettao87: You can find out by typing "groups" in a console
16:56<mettao87>babile: the result is root
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16:57<Gpsin>which is the best KDE or Gnome
16:57<mettao87>babilen: I need to install gnome-volume-manager?
16:57<dr|z3d>Gpsin: That's like asking what color you prefer.
16:58<babilen>mettao87: Ok, i mean your user. either type "groups your_user_name" as root or just groups as your user
16:58<leo>hello, I got this strange error in Synaptic trying to re-install base-files, base-passwd and dpkg: "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6"
16:58<dr|z3d>Gpsin: Besides, your question omitted XFce, which is arguably better than both. :)
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16:59<Gpsin>thank you dr|z3d
16:59<babilen>mettao87: If you are running gnome it will already be installed. You just need to be a member of the "plugdev" group to be able to automount
16:59<Gpsin>Xface is light wait GUI am I rigght?
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17:00<mettao87>babile: take a look at the pastebin. I have plugdev
17:00<dr|z3d>Xfce is more like Gnome than KDE, sure. And yes, it's lightweight, but it doesn't cut corners on features, nor presentation.
17:00<valdyn>Gpsin: gui like gnome, but different things at the backend
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17:01<Gpsin>dr|z3d: can we integrate Compiz fusion with Xfce
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17:01<mettao87>babile: if I try to umount a volume it says me I haven't the right to do it.
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17:02<mettao87>babilen: if I try to umount a volume it says me I haven't the right to do it.
17:02<dr|z3d>Gpsin: Sure, Xfce + Compiz, no worries. fusion-icon you might like.
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17:02<babilen>mettao87: As root?
17:02<valdyn>Gpsin: cant remain lightweight with compiz, other than that yes
17:02<kop>mettao87: You have to re-login to belong to a new group after making a change.
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17:02<mettao87>babilen: as root I can, as user I can't.
17:02<babilen>kop: No change was done. He/She was already member of the plugin group, but thanks for the tip.
17:02<mettao87>kop: I try to relog.
17:03<Gpsin>another question
17:03<slion>anyone else been using e17?
17:03<Gpsin>how to use X chat in pidgin
17:03<valdyn>Gpsin: you mean "irc in pidgin"
17:03<babilen>mettao87: You mounted the stick as root, so only root can unmount it. Where would we get if everybody could unmount the filesystems?
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17:03<Gpsin>valdyn: correct
17:03<mettao87>babilen: ok
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17:03<babilen>mettao87: have you unmounted the stick?
17:04<ghost>guys im trying to change my permission on a hard drive that is not even mounted,i modified the permission yesterday and i was able to use it good,but my computer unexpectedly turned off and it did not get saved,the problem here is that before it turned off i switched to kdm as my display manager,now i cant change the "local admin login" since the option has been removed from the menu since i switched to kdm! pleas help!
17:04<dr|z3d>Gpsin: Xchat is an IRC client. Pidgin is a multi-network client. Pidgin has an IRC plugin. Use that. Not so hard.
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17:04<babilen>mettao87: Can you see the stick in nautilus?
17:05<Gpsin>dr|Z3d: what is the usr name I am did register my name , do i need to register my name
17:05<mettao87>babilen: now it function. I have unmounted and now it's all right.
17:05*tom_ readies himself for first hardware Debian install as an Ubuntu exile
17:05<Gpsin>what is the usr name
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17:06<dr|z3d>Gpsin: No need to register, no. Username is whatever you want it to be.
17:06<Gpsin>can we use any user name
17:06<babilen>mettao87: Does it all work?
17:06<mettao87>babilen: thanks. just another question: if I change the usb port in the pc, my stick will function again?
17:06<babilen>mettao87: yes, sure.
17:06<Gpsin>blank or ?
17:06<dr|z3d>Most networks don't require a password.
17:06<babilen>mettao87: Might you care to tell me what you have done?
17:06<Gpsin>so i can keep it as blank
17:07<babilen>mettao87: And: \o/
17:07<dr|z3d>Yes, right. BLANK.
17:08<mettao87>babilen: what is \o/? I added a new line in fstab and created /media/usbstick directory
17:08<babilen>mettao87: Picture it as both of us raising our arms in the air and being happy
17:09<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:09<mettao87>babilen: ok...hahahah
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17:09<Gpsin>dr|z3d: thanks for the help i got
17:09<babilen>ghost: Please disable your CAPS LOCK
17:10<mettao87>babilen: why the automount doesn't function?
17:10<babilen>ghost: Although there are many people over here it is not that noisy. We understand you even if you don't scream.
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17:11<babilen>mettao87: because you missed the line (for vfat) in your fstab...
17:11<babilen>ghost: And you can become root by typing "su" (super user)
17:11<Gpsin>dr|z3d i Got the list of rooms but how to join a room
17:11<mettao87>babiln: ok, so know any usb vfat will be mounted?
17:11<babilen>ghost: don't message me please
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17:12<babilen>mettao87: yes
17:12<dr|z3d>Gpsin Double click on a room. Or /join #<roomname>
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17:12<mettao87>babilen: ok, perfect. thank you \o/
17:12<dr|z3d>So, /join #debian for example.
17:12<Gpsin>done that nothing changed
17:12<mettao87>bye bye guys. thank you very much..
17:12<babilen>mettao87: thank cahoot as well!
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17:12<mettao87>right babilen
17:12<Gpsin>thanks joined
17:13<mettao87>cahoot: thank you very much.. bye bye
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17:13<babilen>mettao87: Bye, have a good evening
17:13<ghost>babilen i know su gives me root access,but the problem here is the root will not access x server,wich mean i cannot open any gtk or kde applet windows.gksu does not work either
17:13<dr|z3d>Gpsin: This is probably the point where I suggest you go read the pidgin online guide, and also an IRC primer.
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17:14<Gpsin>dr|z3d: i joined in irc using pidgin
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17:19<leo>what does libc6 do?
17:19<Nepra>Im trying to make Raid 5 on the Debian Lenny ive tried googling it but nothing seems to work in my case. Ive tried to do it post install and in the installation process. Can someone help me?
17:19<Nepra>It doesnt matter is it making it work post install or at the install
17:19<babilen>leo: everything ;-)
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17:19<Gold24>Nepra: which dist?
17:20<Gold24>oh nm
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17:20<Gold24>i should learn to read
17:20<babilen>leo: Read the wikipedia article and the documentation at
17:20<leo>hmm i'm not sure if my problem is serious or not
17:20<tom_>leo: it's the package for GNU C Library, glibc. It's important. ;)
17:20<leo>i can't update my base packages or dpkg
17:20<leo>because of a libc6 error
17:20<Gold24>Nepra: what have you tried exactly and what is your drive setup?
17:21<leo>thinking i should download the package manually then force install with aptitude?
17:21<babilen>leo: Can you paste the exact error somewhere? Furthermore: What are you trying to do and what do you expect to happen?
17:21<leo>sorry, not aptitude - dpkg
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17:22<Gold24>Nepra: oh and what fails?
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17:23<retrospectacus>TOO RARE TO WHAT???
17:23<Nepra>Gold24: I have 3 500g sata disks. Ive done it like this
17:23<leo>sure, will do a paste but to cut a long story short - i majorly screwed up my gfx driver and had to rescue the system by copying the backup xorg.conf over the broken one
17:24<Nepra>It says that I cant mount disks and disk busy and mdadm does nothing
17:24<babilen>leo: Which should not at all lead to errors with you libc6, but pray continue...
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17:25<leo>so i goto the Synaptics to install something and then it says i should reinstall the base-install the base-passwd and dpkg
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17:26<Nepra>While installing it I have first partitioned the disks as raid devices (with 20 gigs of swap files in every disk) and after that configured the raid device and partitioned it ext3. With that it cant boot
17:26<leo>ah - i forgot to mention the part where i was stuck in gdm in an infinite relogin instead of rebooting
17:27<leo>so i cold restarted
17:27<babilen>leo: Uh oh... Can you tell me what you have done?
17:27<leo>then it was talking about my fs being corrupted and then it fixed it supposedly after that
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17:27<Nepra>I even tried the desktop version and graphic installation, ive tried doing it while standing on one foot and so on i think ive tried everything guess im just waiting for the answer in a silver plate
17:27<leo>but maybe not?
17:28<leo>thanks for the link btw reading it now
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17:29<Nepra>Can enyone give me a simple how to on Raid 5 Debian lenny and 3 500gig disks
17:29<babilen>leo: Link?
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17:31<babilen>leo: You gave me that link. Why are your reding it now?
17:31<babilen>leo: I mean it is great that you read it now, but ...
17:31<leo>oh sorry i meant the gnu one
17:32<babilen>leo: can you elaborate a bit on the part where you fucked up your gfx driver?
17:32<leo>actually - i can't find a lot on the libc6
17:32<leo>this is the part where everyone lols @ me
17:33<babilen>leo: You don't have to read the libc6 documentation. I mean, do it if you like, but that will not solve your problem...
17:33<leo>i was very silly and instead of following instructions at the wiki i went off on my own and googled - got this
17:33<babilen>leo: nevermind - the worst that can happen is a reinstall. But tell us how you managed to break your system so badly
17:34<leo>i'm sorry wrong link
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17:34<cd>hi guys! my shutdown button in gnome panel is dimmed so I can't use it to shutdown; lenny amd64; any hints?
17:34<kop>Nepra: You need a separate /boot partition that's not raid 5. Raid 1 is fine.
17:34<leo>then saw some post about an easy fix to install nvidia on a custom kernel
17:35<leo>which for some odd reason i thought applied to me
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17:35<leo>this was the BAD BAD BAD link
17:36<leo>and the command that broke me was cd /usr/local/bin;wget -Nc;chmod +x sgfxi
17:37<leo>i'm actually really impressed i managed to find the xorg.conf.backup file in rescue mode as i don't understand the file structure at all yet
17:37<babilen>leo: yes, i thought that one broke you....
17:37<leo>it took me a while to realise that would be a way to get the x gfx working
17:38<leo>what is wget?
17:38<leo>i gather the sgfxi is some kind of script for gfx drivers
17:38<babilen>leo: Honestly. I would suggest a reinstall
17:38<Gold24>Nepra: you say it cannot boot does that mean a kernel panic that it can't find root?
17:38<leo>ah well at least i can try the lxde again
17:38<leo>but just one quick question before i go
17:39<babilen>leo: lxde?
17:39<leo>light x desktop env
17:39<Gold24>Nepra: also look at what kop said :)
17:39<leo>do you know how to get packages happening on there?
17:40<babilen>leo: Package happening?
17:40<leo>like does it have a aptitude?
17:40<leo>or a package manager gui?
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17:40<leo>last time i tried to get my wireless working on it i had to give up
17:41<Nepra>im trying to do the /boot partition. Thank you for the idea and help!
17:41<leo>but i think i know a bit more now
17:41<babilen>leo: Aptitude is one of the (actually the preferred one) package managers in Debian. There is eg synaptics whih provides a GNOME friendly GUI for package management
17:42<leo>ok so synaptics would pretty much be out of the question for lxde?
17:42<babilen>leo: I would reinstall. Read the debian-reference by Osamu Aoki (it is great!) and come here if you have any kind of questions.
17:42<slion>i removed a package with apt-get remove foo, when I do dpkg -l i see the package with rc next do it
17:42<leo>awesome thanks a lot - been wondering about a good starting point to learn from
17:42<babilen>leo: lxde and synaptics will work together just fine. But i would suggest to get used to the command line.
17:42<slion>how do I remove that ?
17:43<leo>oh great!
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17:43<babilen>leo: and in the package "debian-reference" . You can find documentation for all packages at /usr/share/doc/package_name
17:44<babilen>leo: And come here *before* you fuck up dpkg next time, OK?
17:45<leo>sounds fair to me
17:45<slion>babilen, whats the command i need? i havn't ran linux in 4years, forgetting stuff
17:45<leo>thanks for all the info
17:46<babilen>leo: Have a great time. Sorry, but I really think that a reinstall is the right approach. Read the docs and ask every single question you might have.
17:46<babilen>slion: Whatfor?
17:46*babilen scrolls back
17:46<slion>after apt-get removing and doing a dpkg -l, file is there with rc next to it
17:47<slion>well package that is
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17:48<leo>yes i may have a quick look around for a solution later when i wake up but likely will take advice this time
17:48<babilen>slion: First, don't use apt-get but aptitude. Does "aptitude purge package_name" do what you want?
17:49<leo>thanks again
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17:49<babilen>leo: Really, better start out clean this time. If you need help to backup your data tell us.
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17:52<do0ob>how do i find out if this bug is fixed or not?
17:52<cd>hi guys! my shutdown button in gnome panel is dimmed so I can't use it to shutdown; this bothers me for a while and I didn't find nothing helpfull searching the web; I'm running lenny amd64 + updates; any hints?
17:52<do0ob>i have the same bug
17:52<slion>still showing when doing dpkg -l
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17:53<do0ob>wait a sec, can you downgrade from grub-pc to grub-legacy?
17:53<dr|z3d>cd: shutdown -h 0
17:53<slion>hmm, one sec
17:53<dr|z3d>cd: Prefaced with Alt+F2..
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17:54<cd>shutdown -h now works
17:54<do0ob>don't you need to use gdm to get the shutdown option in gnome or is that just for kde?
17:55<Gold24>Nepra: np
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17:58<pkhtut>hi, I would like to know if you have some python script to download a file or a package from internet by not using wget
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17:58<babilen>slion: You are sure? Try 'dpkg -P package_name'
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17:59<mamama>hey guys
17:59<mamama>I am learning php,
17:59<mamama>is anyone of you a php guru
17:59<babilen>mamama: #php
17:59<mamama>i wanna grab a basic concept
18:00<babilen>mamama: But why are you learning php?
18:00<mamama>is smthg wrong with php?
18:00<mamama>@babilen why dude?
18:00<dr|z3d>babilen: "Ours is not to reason why.."
18:00<mamama>makes no sense
18:01<dr|z3d>mamama: Ignore babilen, he doesn't like php, obviously.
18:01<babilen>dr|z3d: Just curious ;-)
18:01<babilen>mamama: A much better channel to ask PHP related questions if #php. I suggest you join that one...
18:01<pkhtut>please share me some python script to download a file from internet
18:02<dr|z3d>pkhtut: Please go check google.
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18:02<dr|z3d>pkhtut: You starter keywords are python, download and script. Good luck!
18:02<babilen>pkhtut: have a look at urrlib2 in the stdlib
18:03<pkhtut>dr|z3d: yes I already looking for this day, I found some. But not really good content of file download got back
18:03<dr|z3d>pkhtut: For extra points, add the additional keywords "error checking" :)
18:03<babilen>pkhtut: Do you need a download tool or a way to use one within python?
18:04<babilen>pkhtut: If the formar have a look at "wget" if the latter read about urllib2 in the stdlib
18:04<pkhtut>I like to get a way to use one within python
18:04<babilen>pkhtut: And #python ;-)
18:04<pkhtut>I already using wget on my script :)
18:04<pkhtut>but you know
18:05<pkhtut>in some distro, there is not already installed wget
18:05<pkhtut>if so, my script failed to download
18:06<babilen>pkhtut: content = urllib2.urlopen('URL').read() - if you eant anything more fancy head over to #python
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18:07<pkhtut>ok .. thank you :-)
18:08<pkhtut>good night babilen and dr|z3d
18:08<babilen>pkhtut: good night.
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18:11<do0ob>hi all
18:11<do0ob>is it possible to compile grub or does it come pre-compiled?
18:12<do0ob>since its like bootstrapping the system
18:12<babilen>do0ob: It comes precompiled
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18:12<do0ob>can i request some changes, i want to comment out some code and see what happens
18:13<babilen>do0ob: If you want to, sure.
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18:13<do0ob>with grub does debian compile the deb with the config files and is the binary from the grub devs and is it universal?
18:14<do0ob>i get this bug:
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18:14<Nepra>i got my raid to work =)
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18:16<Nepra>I still have on question how would you share your 1TB between tmp var home and swap?
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18:16<Gold24>Nepra: depends on the purpose with the machine
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18:16<do0ob>all of it for a storage drive, 2x150 in raid1 root and its contents
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18:18<Nepra>its a host for vmware server where i run virtually terminal server file server print server and some virtual desktops
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18:26<Nepra>i think that i did very stupid share
18:26<Nepra>that only meens that I get partitioning for many times
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18:40<user_name>how do i go about adding a directory to roots path?
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18:43<babilen>user_name: export PATH=/your/new/directory:"${PATH}" in roots bashrc
18:44<user_name>babilen: add that line?
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18:45<babilen>user_name: replace /your/new/directory with the path to the directory you want to add to root's PATH
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18:45<babilen>user_name: after you have done this "source /root/.bashrc"
18:45<user_name>will that erase the other entries already in the PATH
18:45<babilen>user_name: or just run that command directly
18:46<babilen>user_name: no
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18:46<capsicum>I've some problems after installing debian
18:46<capsicum>All went good but now my monitor shows me the following lines: "Can not display video mode, please change to 1280x1024"
18:46<capsicum>What can I do to solve this problem? Should I try to change something in xorg.conf manually?
18:47<user_name>babilen: yeah. none of my other commands work now in this shell
18:47<user_name>or any shell...
18:48<user_name>lol. i cant even run ls now
18:48<babilen>user_name: What have you done?
18:48<user_name>exactly what you said
18:49<user_name>i added this to my .bashrc
18:49<user_name>export PATH=/root/vnc-4_1_3-x86_linux/
18:49<user_name>then i sourced it
18:49<babilen>user_name: you forgot the :"${PATH}" part
18:49<babilen>user_name: so the old value of PATH is lost
18:49<user_name>...i did. yeah. can i undo this?
18:50<babilen>user_name: which editor(s) are you familiar with?
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18:50<user_name>could you paste the original command again? nano, vi, nedit, whatever
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18:52<babilen>user_name: /usr/bin/vim /root/.bashrc --> change PATH=/root/vnc-4_1_3-x86_linux/ to PATH=/root/vnc-4_1_3-x86_linux/:"${PATH}"
18:52<babilen>user_name: then open a new shell
18:54<babilen>user_name: And you should have installed vnc into /usr/local and include /usr/local/bin in your PATH
18:54<babilen>user_name: Is "root" the account you use for your daily work?
18:54<user_name>grep is gone, ls is gone, more is gone
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18:55<babilen>user_name: Your PATH is not correct right now, so you have to give absolute paths to these commands
18:55<user_name>yes. i dont know where they are located though
18:55<tom_>I'm trying to put the CD installer on to a USB drive so I can install it on my Eee using my OS X machine:
18:55<tom_>sudo dd if=/Users/tom/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso of=/dev/disk2
18:55<tom_>it's taking an extravagant amount of time
18:55<babilen>user_name: Have you changed the PATH line?
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18:57<retrospectacus>tom_: there is a EEEpc-specific installer
18:57<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
18:57<tom_>yup, I tried it - but on the 1005HA machines (which come with WinXP preinstalled), the installer doesn't correctly detect either the wifi or ethernet ports
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18:59<tom_>and I had CD-1.iso lying around on my drive from a recent VirtualBox install
18:59<abrotman>tom_: it is a large CD
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18:59<tom_>abrotman: but it's been going for almost an hour.
19:00<tom_>just wondering if that's normal. ;)
19:01<abrotman>tom_: man dd .. see the SIGUSR thing
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19:04<tom_>man dd on OS X - BSD, January 13, 1994. My Linux server is giving me June 2008-updated GNU coreutils 6.10 docs.
19:05*tom_ should probably buy a USB CD/DVD drive just in case anyone gives him unsolicited netbooks in the future
19:05<abrotman>so you're saying the OSX dd sucks ?
19:06<tom_>well, /USR -> Pattern not found.
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19:07<babilen>tom_: not sure if that work though
19:08<tom_>babilen: User defined signal 1
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19:09<babilen>tom_: yes, that is an excerpt from the "dd" manpage in Debian. Probably the one abrotman referred to.
19:10*tom_ grabs a Linux machine and leaves OS X doing a task it's better fit for: playing MP3s.
19:11<capsicum>i don't want to interrupt you but hasn't anybody an idea
19:12<abrotman>capsicum: you could use X -configure to generate an xorg.conf
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19:19<capsicum>ok did this, it's still the same, when I try to test it with X -config /root/xorg.conf\ .new
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19:22<Xon>Hey, i need some help :) Anyone here keen? ^^
19:22<capsicum>I tried also to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but then the programm stopped, when it make a backup copy of xorg.conf
19:22<Xon>Got a dedi, and im tierd of fluxbox now :) I "need" the gnome-desktop.
19:23<Xon>Used aptitude to get it, but i don't know how to start it nor connect to the "remote desktop" with vnc
19:23<Xon>If anyone could guide me in the right direction I'd really apprechiate it. Link to a guide maybe, when i google it myself i find so much other uselsss stuff
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19:26<dr|z3d>Xon: few things. tightvncserver and/or x11vnc packages helpful.
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19:26<dr|z3d>Xon: Also, ~/.vnc/xstartup you might want to edit to explicitly load gnome-session etc. experiment, there.
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19:40<defiant>hello, i am unsure of what to include in my apt sources.list file for security updates... i am running testing
19:40<abrotman>defiant: deb squeeze/updates main .. but there likely aren't any
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19:43<defiant>abrotman: ok thanks, should i include a stable listing as well? or would that be redundant?
19:43<abrotman>if you're that concerned about security, run stable
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19:45<user_name>what does this mean? "sendto in send_tcp_raw: sendto(3, packet, 40, 0,, 16) => Operation not permitted" . i have iptables set up with "iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING DROP" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE"
19:45<defiant>na prefer testing, have been running it for a few years now but wanted to clean up my sources file. so i guess debian policy is to release security updates only for stable packages?
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19:48<abrotman>defiant: there is a testing security .. but it's kind of 'bleh whenver' from what i can tell
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19:55<defiant>abrotman: ahhso. ok well i guess i can just leave it there for now.
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19:56<defiant>just another quick question, am i better off using the codenames for the releases (eg squeeze) or the testing/stable/experimental names?
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20:04<defiant>when should i use the word "squeeze" in my sources rather than the word "testing"? what is the difference?
20:05<slion>as far as I know, there isn't one
20:05<slion>i used testing myself.
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20:06<icebrain>defiant: the only different will be when squeeze is launched
20:06<slion>name at login?
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20:11<defiant>icebrain: so that means when squeeze becomes stable, i will then be tracking stable. if i keep the "testing" repo i will have squeeze up until it becomes stable, then i will start to track the new testing?
20:11<icebrain>defiant: exaclty
20:12<defiant>icebrain: cheers that clears things up
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20:13<slion>anyone using e17?
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20:13<icebrain>defiant: btw, tracking testing right after a release can be troublesome: it's a copy of unstable!
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20:15<abrotman>icebrain: that's not really how it works
20:15<abrotman>or not at all
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20:17<slion>abrot, where in PA are you pal?
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20:18<icebrain>abrotman: no? that's what I was told when I was using lenny, when it was stable
20:18<abrotman>it's wrong
20:19<abrotman>slion: outside philly
20:19<slion>oh ya? im in philly, right near holy family
20:19<slion>across the street actually
20:19<vvas>icebrain: packages migrate from unstable to testing only when certain criteria are met
20:20<defiant>so right after a release testing = stable
20:20<abrotman>icebrain: the problem is that after testing is 'reopened', lots of packages meet that criteria, things flood in and break stuff
20:20<icebrain>Oh, ok. So I got that wrong :|
20:21<vvas>defiant: yes, probably for a day or two ;^)
20:21<icebrain>thanks. But the warning is true, if he's using testing, he will be flooded with packages from unstable, right=
20:21<abrotman>i assume he means holy family college
20:21<defiant>i see
20:22<abrotman>icebrain: the period after testing is reopened can be pretty rough ..
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20:22<defiant>if i just helf off on doing *-upgrade for a while after a release then i should be in the clear right?
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20:23<defiant>its a bot herder
20:23<napoly>hello.. i have a problem with my integrated intel graphic on my lenovo x200 .. (xorg.conf and driver itself) for my kernel 2.6.29-1-amd64.. I downloaded .deb package.. xserver-xorg-video~2.9.0-1_amd64.deb installed it.. tried to configure xorg.conf and now I'm stucked with the midnight commander :/ pls help
20:23<abrotman>or that
20:24<abrotman>defiant: knoppix user
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20:24<abrotman>napoly: where did you get that kernel ?
20:25<napoly>don't remember exactly.. it was a suggestion from this irc chat.. because my wifi did not work
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20:29<vvas>napoly: if you're using a version of the intel driver that >= 2.8.0, i think you also need a kernel version >= 2.6.30
20:30<vvas>napoly: so you'd either have to upgrade your kernel further, or downgrade the intel driver
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20:30<abrotman>napoly: what does 'uname -a' say ?
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20:31<napoly>linux debianotas 2.6.29-1-amd64 #1 SMP ....time x86_64 GNU/Linux
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20:32<slion>hmm, that makes me wonder
20:32<slion>I messed up recompiling my kernel, still sayin i686
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20:32<slion>CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3300+ stepping 00
20:32<slion>thats from dmesg
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20:33<napoly>can you help me find the intel driver for 2.6.29-1 amd64...?
20:34<vvas>slion: there's nothing wrong with having a 32-bit kernel if your userland is also 32-bit
20:34<slion>vvas, performance wouldn't change?
20:35<slion>even with it compiled for SMP, with a single processor?
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20:35<slion>im just getting back to this stuff, so lots of things still wondering about
20:36<vvas>slion: the 64-bit kernel has a slight performance benefit if you have more than 1GB of memory, because it doesn't need to use the high memory trickery
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20:36<slion>with 512, no difference then?
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20:37<vvas>not really no
20:37<vvas>(but you should add some memory :-p )
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20:37<slion>aight, thanks
20:37<slion>ya, i know, plan on.
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20:37<slion>just grabbed this box for $59
20:37<slion>50 that is
20:38<slion>only thing that im kind of not liking about linux, no poker
20:38<slion>cant get wine to work well enough
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20:39<massmc>pokerth works in linux, it's in the repo
20:39<slion>massmc, you have any luck with UB?
20:39<vvas>napoly: "apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-intel" will show you which versions are available. you should see one that's 2.6.x or 2.7.x. you can then install it with "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel=<version>", where <version> will be the version number you found
20:40<slion>vvas, got a question for you, i had installed xfce4 etc
20:40<massmc>slion, whats UB?
20:40<slion>then I removed it with apt-get remove, and when doing dpkg -l, i get the list and notice those packages still
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20:40<slion>with rc next to them, and not ii, which i know they are not installed
20:40<slion>how do I get that stuff removed from dpkg -l
20:41<slion>massmc, ultimatebet
20:41<abrotman>slion: man dpkg .. see purge
20:41<vvas>r = remove, c = config files remain
20:41<massmc>nope havent tried it yet
20:41<vvas>what abrotman said
20:41<slion>hmm, think i did purge. will take a peek again
20:42<vvas>you said you did apt-get remove... i bet you didn't do apt-get --purge remove ;^)
20:43<abrotman>!why aptitude
20:43<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
20:45<vvas>that too :)
20:46<napoly>hmm.. the "apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-intel" showed something like "Filename: pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.3.2-2+lenny6_amd64.deb".. is that it.. I'm newbe.. don't know even how to scroll up the screen in console.. :(
20:47<napoly>ok shift+PgUP.. :)
20:52<vvas>nice, the only versions that exist in the archive are 2.3.2 and 2.9.0
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20:52<vvas>napoly, forget about downgrading the intel driver, just get kernel 2.6.30 or 2.6.31
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20:53<vvas>oh no wait
20:53<vvas>which version of the x server have you got? (package xserver-xorg-core)
20:54<napoly>so the 2.3.2 may work?
20:54<vvas>that's not what i asked
20:54<vvas>(yes, it might work)
20:56<napoly>sorry.. I don't know how to look for your answer..
20:56<vvas>dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core
20:56<dpkg>ii xserver-xorg-core 1.4-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
20:56<vvas>shut up you silly bot
20:57<sney>dpkg, stop helping
20:57<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sney
20:57<napoly>ii xserver-xorg-c 2:1.4.2-10. len Xorg X server - core server
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20:58<vvas>napoly: then yes, you need to downgrade the intel driver
20:58<vvas>napoly: 2.9.0 is incompatible with your x server, i don't even know how you managed to install it
20:58<napoly>well.. it doesn't work.. that's how.. :D
20:59<napoly>command "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.3.2-2" shoud work?
21:00<vvas>replace the _ with =
21:01<vvas>and it should be 2.3.2-2+lenny6
21:03<napoly>command "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel=2.3.2-2+lenny6" --> E: Version '2.3.2-2+lenny6' for 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' was not found.. is it a repository problem?
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21:09<napoly>i have deb experimental main should I change it to sid or etch or something???
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21:10<vvas>let me get this straight... the only source you have in sources list is experimental?
21:10<vvas>sources.list even
21:11<slion>man, i have alot of packages to get rid off
21:13<napoly>i have also deb lenny/updates contrib main :D I'm newbe.. don't undestand clearly everything about repositories.. sid, etch.. and that stuff.. I should buy a book or read on a web about it
21:13<abrotman>napoly: you don't want lenny and squeeze upates
21:15<vvas>napoly: (a) if you don't know what experimental is, you should not have it there
21:15<napoly>:) ok going to put # in front of it..
21:15<slion>vvas will synaptic purge the files?
21:15<abrotman>napoly: i don't think you should really be using anything except lenny .. but it's probably toolate
21:15<vvas>napoly: (b) a more general observation: if you make changes to your system without understanding what they are and why you are making them, you're only going to land into trouble
21:15<slion>when removing?
21:16<vvas>slion: if you tell it to purge (i've never used synaptic)
21:16<vvas>napoly: don't comment it out, just change experimental to lenny
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21:16<napoly>thank you
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21:17<napoly>then I should run apt-get update?
21:18<vvas>of course
21:18<abrotman>aptitude update
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21:24<napoly>it did the update..but still when I run command "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel=2.3.2-2+lenny6" --> E: Version '2.3.2-2+lenny6' for 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' was not found..
21:25<vvas>try 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6
21:27<napoly>ok.. it worked.. and now I should somehow restart the user interface..? or write something to xorg.conf??
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21:32<napoly>I restarted the computer but it still has a problem to start a graphic driver.. i guess that the xorg.conf is not configured correctly
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21:38<vvas>usually these days an empty xorg.conf is enough
21:38<vvas>you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to try and find what the problem is
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21:39<slion>well just dumped 100 packages
21:41<napoly>as you can see they r doing install from experimental..
21:41<abrotman>it's probably out of date
21:41<napoly>OK.. the graphics WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:42<napoly>now my mouse and keyboard dont
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21:43<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-inlte
21:43<judd>abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-inlte --
21:43<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
21:43<judd>abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.0-1 squeeze: 2:2.9.0-1
21:43<abrotman>the software in squeeze should be sufficient
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21:44<vvas>(but he would also need to upgrade both his x server and his kernel)
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21:44<abrotman>probably not .. that wiki is out of date
21:44<napoly>how can I turn off the graphic interface?... i think it's something like ctrl+blackspace+shift... I can't do anything right now
21:44<abrotman>squeeze has a .30 kernel and the xorg seems to be enough
21:45<vvas>abrotman: yes, i meant he'd need to upgrade them to the squeeze ones
21:46<abrotman>which i thought he was using
21:46<abrotman>who knows what he's using now
21:46<napoly>ok ctrl+alt+F2
21:46<vvas>lenny, is my guess
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21:47<vvas>judd: versions xserver-xorg-core
21:47<judd>vvas: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 sid: 2:1.6.5-1 squeeze: 2:1.6.5-1
21:47<napoly>i'm using lenny with kernel 2.6.29-1-amd64
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21:51<napoly>ok now the graphics seems to work.. but the mouse and keyboard is off.. and I think that my xorg.conf is little mess up.. so should i try to make a empty xorg.conf???
21:52<vvas>won't hurt trying
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21:57<napoly>without configured xorg.. it's failing to start the X server..
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21:58<napoly>says.. it failed to load module "vesa"
21:58<napoly>says.. it failed to load module "mouse"
21:58<napoly>says.. it failed to load module "kbd"
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21:59<mamama>guys, how to enable mod_ssl in ubuntu?
21:59<abrotman>mamama: ask #ubuntu on
22:00<abrotman>napoly: put your sources.list in
22:00<napoly>what's for?
22:00<abrotman>or not ...
22:00<jmarsden>napoly: So others can see it and so help you
22:01<mamama>the room #ubuntu is empty
22:01<napoly>ok.. sorry.. :D
22:01<abrotman>mamama: on
22:01<vvas>napoly: you need to install xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse}
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22:01<vvas>napoly: your X installation is pretty messed up
22:01<abrotman>hold on .. let him paste his sources
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22:04<napoly>it's a hard one to past those sources.list.. i have to type it by hand
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22:10<abrotman>napoly: what WM do you want to se ?
22:10<abrotman>to use?
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22:11<napoly>WM?.. what does that mean?
22:11<mike1980>hi there I upgraded to Lenny now when I run iceweasel i get error Segmentation fault can anyone help please
22:11<abrotman>napoly: gnome? kde ?
22:11<abrotman>mike1980: tried safe mode? mving your profile?
22:11<abrotman>napoly: aptitude install xorg gdm gnome
22:12<mike1980>abrtotman: same thing with iceweasel -safe-mode
22:12<abrotman>mike1980: i'd try to move your profile aside
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22:12<abrotman>did it install anything ?
22:13<mike1980>abrotman: thanks how do I do that
22:13<napoly>don't really know.. did a restart already
22:14<abrotman>no better
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22:14<napoly>no.. no packages was installed
22:14<mike1980>abrotman: do you mean my iceweasel profile
22:15<napoly>vvas: what's that xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse} ??
22:16<abrotman>napoly: sed -i -e 's/lenny/squeeze/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:16<abrotman>mike1980: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.original
22:16<abrotman>mike1980: then try to start it again
22:16<dpkg>< LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i?
22:17<napoly>done.. what's now.. aptitude upgrade?
22:18<mike1980>abrotman: did that and tryed with safe to same error
22:18<abrotman>napoly: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
22:18<abrotman>mike1980: does it actually give you a useful error ?
22:19<mike1980>abrotman: just Segmentation fault
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22:24<mike1980>abrotman: I did "strace -f iceweasel --safe-mode" the output is huge
22:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:26<mike1980>abrotman: thanks I will paste the last bit of it
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22:27<mike1980>abrotman: if you could please have a look
22:28<abrotman>looks like maybe a java issue ?
22:28<mike1980>hmm ok i will try to rmove java
22:29<abrotman>mike1980: is this amd64 or i386 ?
22:29<mike1980>abrotman: i386
22:30<abrotman>so you wouldn't have anything like nspluginwrapper right ?
22:30<mike1980>abrotman: ah yes I think I do let me check
22:32<mike1980>abrotman: no not installed
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22:33<abrotman>which version of iceweasel is it ?
22:33<mike1980>ah one sec
22:34<abrotman>why are you running iceweasel as root ?
22:34<mike1980>oh forgot to get out of root
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22:36<tomdavidson>hello, im haveing troubles with something that is surley documented in many places. I have a remote headless server that i want to be able to run a few x apps fwd with shh. I have np doing so from machines with full desktop enviroments, but I do not want a DE nor VNC... just ssh -X user@server ... What is the min i need on the remote server?
22:36<mike1980>abrotman: sorry for the wait it is 3.0.6-3
22:37<abrotman>and you're running what? lenny?
22:37<mike1980>abrotman: 5.0.3
22:38<mike1980>with a older kernel
22:38<abrotman>judd: versions iceweasel
22:38<judd>abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.4-1
22:38<abrotman>why the older kernel ?
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22:39<mike1980>just have not updated this was a old lappy I just fired back up kernel is 2.6.18-6
22:40<abrotman>so even running as the user, and moving hte user's .mozilla aside .. still crashes?
22:41<abrotman>mike1980: what DE/WM are you using ?
22:41<mike1980>yes even as user from desktop
22:41<abrotman>and your 'full-upgrade' did finish right ?
22:41<kop>tomdavidson: Just ssh server and your apps, which will depend on the appropriate X client libs which will install automatically. (I think.) You probably also want ssh -Y.
22:42<mike1980>yes finished no errors
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22:42<abrotman>mike1980: gnome? kde?
22:43<abrotman>does konqueror work ?
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22:44<mike1980>abrotman: yes Konqueror does work fine
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22:45<mike1980>KDE 3.5.10
22:45<tomdavidson>hi kop: thanks. tried -X & -Y (havent looked into the diff) the window opens but crashes and the console says
22:45<tomdavidson>bus error" . The remote machine is lenny and im trying to run the sdl interface for qemu
22:46<kop>tomdavidson: I always run xeyes for a test.
22:46<abrotman>mike1980: tried reinstalling iceweasel ?
22:46<mike1980>I did that but will try again now
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22:47<mike1980>I also removed non-free flash also
22:47<abrotman>can you do a strace as the user and paste that crash ?
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22:48<mike1980>abrotman: yes one sec after reinstall
22:48<tomdavidson>kop: ok. installed x11-apps. xeyes works. must be qemu. i was convinced it was my server set up. thanks and sorry i didnt test that first
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22:50<kop>tomdavidson: No worries. We all have problems like that that need another pair of (x)eyes. ;-)
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22:51<tomdavidson>nice, thanks again.
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22:55<mike1980>it hang a bit on these lines "pid 23098] gettimeofday({1257566078, 73908}, NULL) = 0
22:55<mike1980>[pid 23098] poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=10, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 3, 18547 "
22:55<abrotman>and you're sure you moved the .mozilla aside ?
22:55<mike1980>yes I will again one sec
22:57<abrotman>mike1980: does it write something to the terminal about gconf ?
22:57<abrotman>it's having issues with gnome-ish things .. i think
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22:58<mike1980>abrotman: did mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.origina no errors came out and still all is says is Segmentation fault
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23:00<abrotman>there are lots of connection errors for orbit/gconf
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23:01<mike1980>abrotman: orbit/gconf how would I clean that up
23:01<abrotman>i'd guess ~/.gconf
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23:04<mike1980>I don't even have orbit installed?
23:06<mike1980>ah maybe I will try to install ice from source
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23:06<mike1980>abrotman: thanks for the help
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