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00:58<bgupta>Wanted to confirm that feature enhancing updates do flow from unstable to testing up until the point of freezing for promoting testing to stable?
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01:31<faheem>bgupta: something like that is true, yes
01:32<faheem>bgupta: there should be plenty of documentation on the net about this. i'd look at the debian wiki
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01:46<bgupta>faheem: Thanks.. that was my understanding.. WHat I read seemed to imply that.. (It talked about the various freezes, but didn't really discuss what happens when not frozen..)
01:46<bgupta>I know enough to answer my questions now.. thanks
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02:07<faheem>bgupta: you can see the process happening in various places - see, which shows packages moving from unstable to testing - and if not, the reason they are stuck (called update-excuses or some such)\
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02:08<bgupta>faheem: Thanks.. It basically made me realize that testing is prolly the best option for use for internal servers..
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02:08<bgupta>I like the freshness of the packages.
02:08<bgupta>a good balance between freshness and getting at least some level of bug testing in place
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02:11<faheem>bgupta: actually, i'd recommend stable + backports
02:11<faheem>testing is actually not a great choice for servers
02:12<faheem>i think most people here would say the same, but it seems pretty quiet right now
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02:12<bgupta>Really? I was looking in Lenny backports and many of the packages we use weren't in there. :( So it means I'll be having to manage custom packages.
02:12<faheem>there is usually a gap between when the americans go to sleep and the europeans get up
02:13<faheem>bgupta: you mean not sufficiently recent versions, or not there at all?
02:13<faheem>if so, like what?
02:14<bgupta>Ok they are for the most part in lenny main. but only about a third of them had been sufficiently updated in backports. SO my choice is Squeeze of Sid
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02:14<faheem>bgupta: hmm. i see. in that case, definitely sqeeze
02:15<faheem>running unstable on a server would be a little nutty, imo
02:15<bgupta>Having said that for our client facing servers are using Ubuntu Hardy Heron, or Debian Lenny.
02:15<faheem>surprised you need that level of updateness, though
02:15<bgupta>(I know this isn't an ubuntu channel but we do get requests for both
02:16<faheem>i use all sorts of stuff, and i can usually get by with stable, but i do tend to upgrade servers to testing once it is more or less frozen - near the end of the cycle
02:16<faheem>where are you located?
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02:18<bgupta>One thing we do with our clients' servers is use snapshotted mirrors. (IE: Frozen repos.) If we need to roll out security fixes we unfreeze our dev env. update everything, test, and then unfreeze testing, stage, and production..
02:18<bgupta>I'm in New York City
02:18<bgupta>and then freeze again
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02:19<faheem>bgupta: sounds like lots of work. up late? i'm in the same time zone - EST
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02:19<bgupta>Fact is I am relatively new to the Debian world.. just two years ago... I was a solaris admin.. used to doing alot of work ;)
02:19<faheem>bgupta: Debian less work, I expect.
02:20<faheem>do you like Debian?
02:20<bgupta>Fact is alot of the work is made easier by the use of puppet
02:20<bgupta>It toook me awhile to get over the "everything is designed around the fact that you have constantly updating packages..
02:21<faheem>Description: centralised configuration management for networks ?
02:21<bgupta>yeah puppet for centralized configuration management.. makes managing a ton of servers MUCH MUCH easeir
02:21<bgupta>yeah that's the one..
02:21<bgupta>but it should really say for servers, not networks
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02:21<bgupta>well technically people use it to manage desktops as well.
02:22<faheem>bgupta: yes, networks makes it sound like it has something to do with networking
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02:22<bgupta>but basically it's used to manage fleets of laptops, desktops/ servers all runnign some form of *nix. (Including OSX, Linux and Solaris)
02:22<faheem>bgupta: yes, i think being a system admin can be a lot of work. lots of potential for abuse
02:22<faheem>bgupta: how do you like Debian relative to Solaris?
02:23<bgupta>OK there are pluses and minuses
02:23<bgupta>Debian has a great community and a great development model
02:23<bgupta>I love the fact it is almost entirely volunteer supported
02:23<bgupta>I like that invovlement is welcome
02:24<faheem>bgupta: yes, that's all good
02:24<bgupta>I was invloved in the OPenSolaris community for awhile until Sun kinda burned their bridges with the community
02:24<bgupta>Was actually attracted to Debian first for community reasons rather than the tech.
02:24<faheem>btw, FYI, the #debian channel on freenode is rather larger
02:24<faheem>bgupta: right. that's as important, if not more so
02:24<bgupta>I imagine it is..
02:25<bgupta>I am actually a member of the DC10 localteam
02:25<faheem>this is the official one, though
02:25<bgupta>even though I am not a super debian techie.
02:25<faheem>bgupta: don't know what that is
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02:25<faheem>bgupta: judging by your name you might be Indian, though you could just as easily be Indian-American
02:26<bgupta>I'm part of the team helping to plan for the debian developer conference next summer.. it's gonna be here in NYC
02:26<faheem>they are holding Debconf in NYC? way out
02:26<bgupta>yep the announcement with dates just went out about a week ago, although the selection happened in march if I recall
02:26<faheem>sounds interesting. lots of work though
02:27<bgupta>Yeah.. it is.. but alot of people are coming out of the woodwork to get involved..
02:27<faheem>is your employer on board with the whole debian community involvement thing?
02:27<bgupta>It's the first US debconf
02:27<faheem>bgupta: oh, really?
02:27<bgupta>I am my own employer.
02:27<faheem>bgupta: oh, cool
02:27<bgupta>run a consulting company
02:27<bgupta>I'm the PHB
02:27<faheem>bgupta: nice
02:28<bgupta>Pointy Haried Boss, it's a Dilbert reference
02:28<faheem>bgupta: yes, got it
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02:28<faheem>don't see many PHBs on IRC
02:28<bgupta>Technically I'm actually not a PHB.. but I'm the closest our team has to one.
02:29<faheem>my own PHB's don't know that IRC exists
02:29<bgupta>I guess my shop is pretty technical all around.
02:29<faheem>bgupta: how is the consulting business? not too crazy?
02:29<bgupta>I am a SOlaris admin of ten years, but I'm getting dumber as I don't have all the time I want to do tech stuff..
02:30<faheem>bgupta: how long have you been running your own business?
02:30<bgupta>The past year has been a real roller coaster.
02:30<bgupta>just over two years
02:30<bgupta>(With the implosion of the global economy)
02:30<faheem>bgupta: yes, i see
02:31<faheem>are any of your people Debian experts?
02:32<faheem>i've done a fair amount of sys admin work myself. i got tired of it. it is not that interesting eventually, and it a notabley underappreciated job
02:32<bgupta>Well I have two guys who run Sid on their primary workstations, and another who runs Fedora.. mmm.... Me and one other guy run os x, and the last guy I think runs lenny
02:32<faheem>bgupta: sounds respectable
02:32<bgupta>Well I am actually changing the focus away from straight sysadmin
02:33<faheem>bgupta: thought of doing computational scientific consulting?
02:33<bgupta>It's an option, but am really focused on growing our AWS consulting business.
02:33<faheem>bgupta: i see
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02:34<bgupta>Eric who works for me does HPC, and it is in our list of skills, but I am not focused on it.
02:34<faheem>bgupta: ok
02:35<bgupta>basically we are focused on helping folks run on amazon's cloud.. if that invovled sysadmin, or dev or just advice and planning that's what we do..
02:35<bgupta>That said, most of my existing business is still ops ..
02:35<faheem>i was thinking of something a little more technically scientific
02:35<bgupta>but I see the growth coming from the cloud stuff
02:35<faheem>like helping people sort out their computational
02:35<faheem>is cloud stuff a growth business, then?
02:35<bgupta>Eric is a computation chemist..
02:36<bgupta>In 5 years, all the big comapnies will be using it in some form or another.
02:36<faheem>bgupta: interesting. why?
02:36<bgupta>It's a model who's time has come.. Basically the enabling technology was free software based virtualization...
02:36<faheem>bgupta: cuts down on maintenance work, perhaps?
02:37<bgupta>WEll, let' sput it this way managing data centers is alot of work
02:37<faheem>bgupta: yes
02:37<faheem>bgupta: thanks for chatting
02:37<bgupta>worrying about power, AC, genrators, UPS, etc.. all painful stuff, that is really a distraction from what you are trying to accomplish
02:37<faheem>hope to see you around. the channel is quite helpful.
02:37<faheem>bgupta: right
02:37<bgupta>cool no prop.
02:37<bgupta>ahve a good one
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02:38<faheem>bgupta: thanks. appreciate the info about your work
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02:39<bgupta>faheem: Thanks for cahttign.. I like to get mutiple viewpoints.
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02:44<faheem>bgupta: sure thing. hope to see you here again
02:44<bgupta>I'll prolly hang out here now.
02:44<bgupta>added to my autojoin list
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03:30<EmleyMoor>I tried to back up my laptop last night by using fcron to start flexbackup - it updated the next time to run but ran nothing, it seems. Are there any oddities I need to be aware of with fcron that might affect the actual running of the command?
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04:03<virm>I have a problem. When I try install any package - terminal put a messege:
04:03<virm>Can't exec "locale": There is not such file or catalogue at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ line 16.
04:03<virm>Use of uninitialized value $Debconf::Encoding::charmap in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ line 17.
04:03<virm>dpkg: ldconfig absent in catalogues, transferred in PATH.
04:03<virm>dpkg: In catalogues, transferred in PATH, 1 is absent necessary programs.
04:03<virm>NB: In PATH of superuser usually must be present /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin и /sbin.
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04:03<dpkg>virm: I give up, what is it?
04:03<dpkg>virm: I think you lost me on that one
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04:04<virm>where I can find "PATH" ?
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04:43<faheem>virm: echo $PATH
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04:44<virm>this path for current user?
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04:44<virm>maybe sudo .... ?
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04:46<faheem>virm: bigger question is what is going on with your machine? is this a new installation? what is the release? i assume it is debian?
04:47<virm>faheem stable + testing
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04:48<ottoshmidt>nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 , kernel - 2.6.30-2-686
04:48<ottoshmidt>do I still need to build my own module using nvidia-kernel-common and module-assistan
04:48<virm>I install "fpc" with --no-upgrade
04:49<ottoshmidt>virm, are talking to me?
04:49<virm>ottoshmidt sorry, yes
04:49<ottoshmidt>let me try that
04:50<ottoshmidt>virm, and what if I install it through synaptic?
04:50<ottoshmidt>I can see fpc 2.2.4-3 there
04:51<virm>I not try, but synaptic use APT and I sinc his put error
04:51<virm>ottoshmidt but I try now
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04:53<virm>ottoshmidt synaptic put errror message
04:54<ottoshmidt>hmm installed fpc and no errors
04:54<ottoshmidt>virm, what would that mean for me
04:56<virm>ottoshmidt ok, thanks for help, I try find problem single
04:56<ottoshmidt>but I still got above mentioned error when did : apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION}
04:57<ottoshmidt>virm, "nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 , kernel - 2.6.30-2-686 E: broken packages" :((
04:58<virm>ottoshmidt I install fpc with --no-upgrade
04:58<ottoshmidt>apt-get install --no-upgrade fpc?
04:58<virm>ottoshmidt yes
04:59<ottoshmidt>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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04:59<virm>ottoshmidt yes - you have upgrated packages
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05:00<virm>ottoshmidt in depends
05:00<ottoshmidt>so why would I still get errs?
05:00<virm>ottoshmidt ??
05:01<virm>ottoshmidt nvidia-glx?
05:01<ottoshmidt>nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09
05:01<virm>ottoshmidt omg, sorry, I talk about fpc - this my problem)
05:02<virm>ottoshmidt delete fpc
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05:03<virm>ottoshmidt try to purge any nvidia glx and kernel modules and clean this packages in cache and install his again
05:04<virm>ottoshmidt for current kernel
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05:04<ottoshmidt>what would be the exact name of kernel module?
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05:05<ottoshmidt>virm, actually I couldn't have proceeded with installing nvidia-kernel-module at all
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05:05<ottoshmidt>probably that's the problem
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05:06<ottoshmidt>I fail to build a custom kernel manually
05:06<virm>ottoshmidt nvidia-kernel-<version kernel>
05:06<virm>ottoshmidt why fail?
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05:08<ottoshmidt>virm, because there is no nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-2-686
05:09<ottoshmidt>that is why I need to build with custom kernel
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05:11<virm>ottoshmidt apt-cache search nvidia
05:11<virm>ottoshmidt nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source; nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.26-2-686
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05:11<ottoshmidt>yes there are 2.26 but no 2.30
05:12<virm>nvidia-kernel-source - for build with module-assistant
05:12<ottoshmidt>I mean 2.6.30
05:12<ottoshmidt>module-assistant fails
05:12<virm>ottoshmidt what module-assistant say?
05:12<virm>when fails
05:13<ottoshmidt>it says:
05:14<ottoshmidt>let me see the log file
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05:16<ottoshmidt>virm, not sure how to export the log output
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05:18<virm>in module-assistant menu use function which search with apt-cache package, needed for compile module
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05:20<ottoshmidt>the last line in log is:
05:20<virm>ottoshmidt when is say - not fount for any necessary packages - edit sourses.list for apt and use other repository
05:20<ottoshmidt>leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ `
05:20<virm>ottoshmidt not useful )
05:22<virm> is there a nvidia.ko in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ ?
05:24<virm>ottoshmidt in /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nvidia
05:24<virm>/lib/modules/kernel version)/nvidia
05:24<virm>/lib/modules/kernel version/nvidia
05:25<virm>ottoshmidt module-assistant say - not fount for any necessary packages?
05:25<ottoshmidt>there is no nvidia under /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/
05:26<ottoshmidt>m-a says many things but I can's see any "not found...
05:29<ottoshmidt>nvidia.ko failed to build
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05:30<ottoshmidt>virm, can we try to make all this manually, without m-assistant?
05:30<virm>yes, but I not try
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05:31<ottoshmidt>I try to install with this method but
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05:31<virm>ottoshmidt maybe try use module-assistant without menu?
05:31<ottoshmidt>fail on step 2 : make xcibfug
05:31<ottoshmidt>make xconfig
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05:31<ottoshmidt>virm, I use this command on m-a: m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
05:32<ottoshmidt>how that without menu?
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05:32<virm>you have linux-image-<current kernel>-headers
05:33<virm>ottoshmidt :\
05:33<ottoshmidt>I have linux-headers
05:33<virm>ottoshmidt use module-assistant without arguments
05:33<ottoshmidt>without auto-install?
05:34<virm># module-assistant
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05:34<virm>or sudo
05:34<ottoshmidt>update, prepare?
05:35<ottoshmidt>or select?
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05:35<virm>not understand
05:35<ottoshmidt>there are options in module-assistant
05:35<virm>you see menu?
05:35<ottoshmidt>I tried select now
05:36<ottoshmidt>no I have to choose a module
05:36<virm>ok, do all steps
05:36<virm>choose a module
05:36<ottoshmidt>install nvidia-kernel?
05:36<ottoshmidt>there are also nvidia-kernel-legac
05:36<virm>and when choose a module
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05:37<virm>do all steps
05:37<virm>up-down way
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05:37<ottoshmidt>I mean should I use only "nvidia-kernel", or other 2 with -legac as well??
05:37<virm>and finaly when compile, do install
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05:39<virm>only "nvidia-kernel"
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05:39<virm>ottoshmidt use only "nvidia-kernel"
05:40<ottoshmidt>ok now which option: LIST, SEARCH, GET, BUILD, INSTALL?
05:40<virm>ottoshmidt I have nvidia, and I not install legacy
05:41<ottoshmidt>I tried BUILD but Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!
05:46<virm>ottoshmidt you use in module-assistant menu find with apt-cache search necessary packages?
05:47<virm>his must say what you need install and what available
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05:49<themill>ottoshmidt: squeeze or sid or a squeeze/sid mix?
05:49<virm>if hi not found any necessary package - use get necessary packages in module-assistant menu
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05:59<ottoshmidt>themill, squeeze
05:59<ottoshmidt>virm, how do I do this find with apt-cache stuff
05:59<themill>!nvidia squeeze
05:59<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
06:00<themill>ottoshmidt: nvidia in squeeze is broken at the moment, you need to get the packages from sid as dpkg just said.
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06:01<virm>ottoshmidt module-assistant menu have apt-cache search
06:02<ottoshmidt>virm, ok I ll follow dpkg instructions first
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06:02<virm>ottoshmidt go )
06:03<ottoshmidt>themill, how make mix?
06:03<themill>dpkg: tell ottoshmidt about tum
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06:10<ottoshmidt>lol actually I already had this mix when installed gnome-packages from sid, but didn't know that term 'mixed' :)
06:10<ottoshmidt>meant before
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06:21<ottoshmidt>themill, you mixing method didn't help
06:22<ottoshmidt>*your, :((
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06:29<ottoshmidt>virm, might be this can tell you something
06:30<babilen>ottoshmidt: make clean?
06:31<ottoshmidt>should I remove /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel and try again?
06:32<babilen>ottoshmidt: I have no idea what you are doing exactly (I just joined) But the error you pasted *might* get solved by running "make clean"
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06:33<babilen>ottoshmidt: You are obvioulsy trying to compile NVIDIA driver, why don't you use module-assistant?
06:34<ottoshmidt>babilen, m-a faile
06:34<ottoshmidt>I mean used to fail
06:34<ottoshmidt>then upgraded nvidia-kernel-source to sid version, ran m-a and failed again...
06:34<babilen>"used" as in: it does not fail anymore?
06:35<babilen>!tell ottoshmidt -about nvidia
06:35<ottoshmidt>but then I removed /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel and tried again
06:35<babilen>!tell ottoshmidt -about nvidia pre-built
06:35<ottoshmidt>module assistant didn't fail this time
06:35<ottoshmidt>so congrat me
06:35<ottoshmidt>themill, ultimately you appeared to be reasonable :)
06:36<babilen>ottoshmidt: \o/
06:36<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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06:41<ottoshmidt>holy molly, something again went wrong 'cause I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
06:41<ottoshmidt> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09
06:41<ottoshmidt>E: Broken packages
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06:42<ottoshmidt>in spite of the fact that nvidia-kernel-2.6.30-2-686 (185.18.36-2+2.6.30-8) ... is installed
06:42<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, open your eyes
06:42<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, how? :P
06:42<Torsten_W>185.18.36 != 173.14.09
06:43<Torsten_W>wron nvidia-kernel-source
06:43<themill>ottoshmidt: dpkg said to install nvidia-glx from sid
06:43<ottoshmidt>hmm so I need different nvidia
06:43<themill>Torsten_W: no, right nvidia-kernel-source, wrong nvidia-glx :)
06:43<Torsten_W>or so
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06:49<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, yeah did that
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06:50<SouCaline>I search a full package for the fonts TTF
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06:51<Torsten_W>full package?
06:52<ottoshmidt>what the hack, how can I configure X if there is no xorg.conf file in /etc/X1
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06:52<SouCaline>excuse me. I'm french.
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06:54<SouCaline>i search a package with many fonts
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06:58<ottoshmidt>ok I made xorg.conf from an example in docs but it's all commented out, so can anyone assist an show his xorg.conf output so I can delete # marks where needed
06:58<ottoshmidt>here's mine
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06:59<babilen>SouCaline: There are many fonts in debian, try: "aptitude search ~nttf-"
06:59<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, is all you need
07:00<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, BoardName foo is not nessesary
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07:01<babilen>SouCaline: Also have a look at: "aptitude search ~nxfonts-"
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07:04<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, ok going to reboot
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07:06<SouCaline>babilen :
07:06<babilen>SouCaline: Yes, these are the fonts you can install
07:06<babilen>SouCaline: What do you need exactly?
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07:07<SouCaline>i want the fonts for the web
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07:08<SouCaline>for exemple : Brush Script MT
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07:09<babilen>SouCaline: For which scripts? Do you need any of: hebrew, arabic, chinese, korean, ..., ...?
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07:10<SouCaline>it's to display correctly the webpage
07:10<babilen>SouCaline: You can install the MS corefonts (arial, comic sans, ...) with ttf-mscorefonts-installer, but *I* would suggest you use tf-liberation instead to get arial, courier and times new roman
07:11<babilen>SouCaline: Sorry, I don't know if Brush Script MT is available in the Debian archives.
07:12<babilen>SouCaline: Given that it is not a free font you will have to purchase that particular font from microsoft
07:12<SouCaline>currently, i have installed Brush Script a hand.
07:13<SouCaline>How do I install all the fonts?
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07:13<SouCaline>because i have a webservice to display the thumbshots
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07:14<babilen>SouCaline: What do you mean by "all the fonts" ? All the fonts known to mankind? All fonts shipped with Debian?
07:15<babilen>!tell SouCaline -about font install
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07:16<babilen>SouCaline: That will help you to install those fonts that are *not available as a Debian package* correctly
07:16<babilen>SouCaline: All fonts that are available can be easily installed with aptitude
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07:17<SouCaline>babilen: the most possible for debian
07:17<SouCaline>babilen: even non-free fonts
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07:18<themill>judd info ttf-mscorefonts-installer
07:18<judd>themill: ttf-mscorefonts-installer (contrib/x11): is optional; Version: 2.7; Size: 31.4k; Installed: 188k -- Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
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07:20<SouCaline>i have already installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer
07:20<babilen>SouCaline: Ok, then do "aptitude install ~nxfonts-\|~nttf-" that will install all the fonts available as Debian package
07:20<babilen>SouCaline: And make sure to include contrib and/or non-free in your sources list to get non-free ones.
07:21<babilen>SouCaline: there might be some more fonts, but you will have to look for them yourself. Although almost all should be covered by the pattern i gave you above
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07:22<babilen>anybody knows if there are other packages like ttf-mscorefonts-installer?
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07:23<babilen>(ie packages that download non-free fonts from somewhere and install them)
07:23<SouCaline>if not for my personal fonts, I can make a personal package. no?
07:23<babilen>SouCaline: Just install them with:
07:24<babilen>!font install
07:24<dpkg>To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root.
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07:26<SouCaline>To know, this happening if a policy exists twice?
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07:27<babilen>SouCaline: could you rephrase that? I do not understand that sentence. What do you mean by policy?
07:27<SouCaline>i have not the file xorg.conf
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07:29<babilen>SouCaline: It is/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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07:30<Torsten_W>new xorg does not need an xorg.conf
07:31<babilen>Torsten_W: New xorg is not in stable
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07:32<babilen>SouCaline: Which debian version are you running?
07:34<SouCaline>i have lenny :)
07:35<SouCaline>i haven't kde or gnome but a virtual X server
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07:37<babilen>!tell SouCaline -about xorg config lenny
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07:38<SouCaline>!tell babilen xvidtune (1) - video mode tuner for Xorg
07:39<babilen>SouCaline: What?
07:40<babilen>SouCaline: And btw: How is your webservice accessing the fonts/websites/...
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07:41<SouCaline>in fact, i start a browser with my lenny to make a thumbshot
07:42<babilen>SouCaline: I would say you know everyhting you need to know to get all the fonts you want... Have fun!
07:43<babilen>SouCaline: But keep in mind that some webpages might use fonts that are not installed and are substituted by other fonts.
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07:45<SouCaline>yes. Thank you very much for you explanation
07:46<babilen>SouCaline: You are welcome. Good luck!
07:46<SouCaline>But, if a font is installed twice, is this a problem?
07:47<babilen>SouCaline: I am not sure how fc-cache behaves in that case. I would say: (i) Don't do that (ii) If you do that: You'll find out ;-)
07:48<SouCaline>I will now try to find out :)
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07:53<SouCaline>It works without error ^.^
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07:54<SouCaline>Thank you very much :)
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07:55<babilen>SouCaline: You probably want to configure your browser's font configuration. Iceweasel, for example, let's you specify default fonts for several scripts
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07:55<babilen>SouCaline: Enjoy your font-everlord machine :-D
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08:01<Guest1116>E' possibile scaricare gli sfondi per Gnome da gnome-look con la stessa facilita/velocita con cui si scaricano quelli per kde da kde-look ? Grazie!
08:01<teknoid>!dpkg it
08:01<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:02<babilen>Guest1116: Or speak English in here
08:02<teknoid>enzo: we are more than happy to help you, but unfortunately, we don;t all speak Italian :(
08:02<teknoid>not all of us speak*
08:03<teknoid>my English is far from perfect either ;P
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08:05<joza>někdo z cz?
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08:15<teknoid>!dpkg cz
08:15<dpkg>hmm... cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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08:17<nuscire>hi, guys. what's wrong with rxvt-unicode in squeeze repos? i can't install it.
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08:23<babilen>nuscire: Could you paste the output of the failing command somewhere?
08:23<nuscire>No candidate version found for rxvt-unicode
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08:24<nuscire>babilen: it seems it's not in my repos.
08:25<babilen>nuscire: rxvt-unicode is not in squeeze. You have to install the lenny or sid version
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08:26<abrotman>or wait for it
08:26<nuscire>babilen: yeah, but do you know why? it was there before.
08:26<babilen>nuscire: Bugs I assume..
08:26<babilen>abrotman: Right :-D
08:27<nuscire>babilen: hmm, i know. thank you.
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08:27<nuscire>thank you, abrotman.
08:28<abrotman>!why is rxvt-unicode not in testing
08:28<dpkg>rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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08:29<nuscire>dpkg: get it, thank you.
08:29<dpkg>i haven't a clue, nuscire
08:30<nuscire>dpkg: maybe i have to wait for some days longer.
08:30<dpkg>nuscire: bugger all, i dunno
08:30<abrotman>nuscire: dpkg is a bot
08:31<nuscire>abrotman: is a bot??
08:32<abrotman>nuscire: dpkg is a bot, i am not
08:32<nuscire>abrotman: well, lol.
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08:54<System_Error_Message>Hi, i'm new to linux and i'd like to install debian on my sun blade 2000 to use it as a server
08:54<System_Error_Message>i'd like to know how well it would work on it
08:54<abrotman>is it SPARC or AMD64?
08:55<System_Error_Message>Ultrasparc 3 i think
08:55<System_Error_Message>i used to use sun solaris but i had to reinstall it many times
08:55<System_Error_Message>and much of the services didnt work
08:55<abrotman>tere is a #debian-sparc, but it's pretty small
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08:55<System_Error_Message>the last time i tried to install debian on it was from DVD but had a hard drive detection problem
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08:56<System_Error_Message>it uses a seagate cheetah SCSI
08:56<abrotman>how long ago was that ?
08:56<System_Error_Message>well about 3 to 5 months ago
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08:56<abrotman>so it was lenny?
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08:57<System_Error_Message>yeah it was
08:57<abrotman>i'd probably ask #debian-sparc for more info about your specific hardware, but you might have to wait a bit for an answer
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08:57<System_Error_Message>and does it support the Sun XVR-1000 graphics card well?
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08:58<System_Error_Message>well thanks though
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08:59<abrotman>System_Error_Message: i don't have that hardware and haven't touched sparc hardware in quite some time
09:00<abrotman>you could try the 'beta' version of the next release's installer
09:01<System_Error_Message>and regarding the software available for debian, is it platform independent?
09:01<abrotman>you mean do all architectures have the same software?
09:02<System_Error_Message>no, i meant, software available to use with the debian OS, is it platform independent?
09:02<System_Error_Message>as in would it work on all architectures running debian?
09:02<abrotman>in most cases, but say something like wine wouldn't work on SPARC
09:03<System_Error_Message>well i dont intend to use software for windows
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09:04<abrotman>there are others, that was just an obvious one
09:05<System_Error_Message>Also, regarding debians use as a server, is it very secure to be used?
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09:05<System_Error_Message>i mean, assuming sensitive pieces of information is being used
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09:06<abrotman>i should hope so :)
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09:07<System_Error_Message>if a sudden power down happens, would it spoil debian? because i've had several cases which spoilt sun solaris
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09:08<abrotman>System_Error_Message: that can happen with any OS/filesystem
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09:08<System_Error_Message>i know, but windows successfully boots most of the time on power failures
09:08<Nepra>hello im going to do a server where is RAID 5 with raid 1 root. I have 3 500g disks. How would you divide the space in these? How much do I need root space when im going to install VMware server on it where i run x2go cups and samba (and every now and then some virtual machines like XP ubuntu and win 7 maybe even win 2003 server) I use Samba as file server and I believe there would be something like 200 to 500 gigs of stuff.
09:09<Nepra>yeah and the host for the vmware is debian lenny
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09:09<abrotman>System_Error_Message: i haven't had that happen in ages
09:10<System_Error_Message>well it happens often in the country i live in
09:10<abrotman>Nepra: how are you going to do raid5 adn raid1 ?
09:10<System_Error_Message>not because of insufficient power, but due to their grid setup
09:10<abrotman>System_Error_Message: i meant the corruption
09:11<System_Error_Message>well filesystem corruption would be fine
09:11<System_Error_Message>but i mean would the OS run again?
09:11<Nepra>abrotman: when I install it I do partition so that I have two partitions in every disk. other is for the raid 1 and the other for raid 5
09:11<Nepra>that way raid 1 has one hot spare
09:11<abrotman>so you're doing swraid ?
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09:12<Nepra>yes software raid
09:13<Nepra>to be honest im quite confused how debian uses the space. Does vmware go to the root or where does it install itself?
09:14<Nepra>how about samba fileserver? is it in the root too?
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09:14<Nepra>I meen that when I dumb files in there do they take space from the root?
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09:16<Nepra>is the /etc/ folder in the root too?
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09:24<System_Error_Message>great, i think i have my questions answered. Thanks a lot
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09:34<cusco>hi. I have a debian install but I can't fix grub. Even entering in with chroot from livecd, mounting /dev with --bind and /proc, running update-grub and grub-install exits with no errors
09:34<cusco>when I restart, grub is displaying that mensage "minimal bash like line editor press tab to see all commands bla bla"
09:34<cusco>but doen't let me type in anything, like its frozen
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10:04<rufensis>Does anyone have a good guide for upgrading a kernel?
10:04<Chubbz>Can someone help me? I've been trying to logon to the console and I enter my username and hit enter, then the system just hangs
10:05<Chubbz>rufensis: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
10:05<themill>rufensis: from what to what?
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10:07<abrotman>wrong in three ways ...
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10:09<rufensis>themill: I'm going from 2.6.26 to somewhere beyond that. I got a refurbished laptop yesterday, but it has a broadcom 4312 wifi card, and this is apparently one of the few that does not work through fwcutter. i got some advice in the network manager chat room that upgrading the kernel might be the right thing. I was going to use the latest, which I think is 2.6.31
10:09<abrotman>!tell rufensis about bpo
10:09<themill>rufensis: 2.6.30 is available from so is trivial to install.
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10:10<Chubbz>rufensis: broadcom also has an official driver for that chip on their website, i dont have a link, but you can google "broadcom STA"
10:10<themill>rufensis: you might want to check the pciid against the information on the wiki too.
10:10<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315). To install, see . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>.
10:11<rufensis>themmill: does that mean I just need to have backports in my sources list and then run the "dist-upgrade" command?
10:11<rufensis>dpkg: thanks for that.
10:11<dpkg>sure thing, rufensis
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10:12<themill>rufensis: no, no dist-upgrade. Follow the instructions on the website
10:12<Chubbz>rufensis: if you want to upgrade to a specific kernel, then follow the instructions on
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10:17<rufensis>Chubbz: am I missing something. I'm looking around on for instruction and it tells me to add a line to sources.list and then apt-get update. It doesn't mention moving to a new kernel.
10:18<Chubbz>rufensis: in debian, to upgrade the kernel, you just install a package
10:19<Chubbz>rufensis: is giving you instructions on how to add the packages to your local repo
10:19<rufensis>Chubbz: then I wasted a lot of time last night trying compiling stuff. I was running "makemenu" commands and the like.
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10:19<themill>rufensis: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686
10:19<abrotman>rufensis: in the side bar .. it says "Instructions"
10:19<abrotman>themill: there's a metapackage i thought
10:19<themill>abrotman: possibly... not that I know of
10:19<Chubbz>abrotman: is there a metapackage?
10:20<Chubbz>rufensis: yes, yes you did =P
10:20<abrotman>for example
10:20<rufensis>themill: so I add the backports line to sources and then I can run that aptitude command you just mentioned?
10:20<Chubbz>rufensis: are you runnning a GUI?
10:21<rufensis>Chubbz: yes, I'm running gnome
10:21<abrotman>rufensis: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686
10:22<rufensis>abrotman: do I need the backports line in my sources list before I can run that command (aptitude -t)?
10:22<And1>How can I change GMDs language/locale on lenny? gdm version is 2.20.7.
10:22<abrotman>rufensis: yes .. that's why you're supposed to read the instructions
10:23<lili_>I believe disaster has come to me. the filesystem of my debian has broken ..and many of file`s privelege were totally broken..when i run #ls -l /bin: ?--------- ? ? ? ? tar
10:23<themill>abrotman: *nod* (or amd64, of course)
10:23<abrotman>whatever he's using
10:23<lili_>that is /bin/tar `s destiny..
10:23<lili_>like many of other files
10:23<lili_>reboot is not working anymore
10:24<abrotman>lili_: you're going to have to force it to fsck
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10:24<lili_>i run /sbin/reboot : it errors input/output error..
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10:25<lili_>abrotman: fsck is : input/output error others
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10:26<abrotman>lili_: no kidding ..
10:26<abrotman>lili_: touch /forcefsck;sync .. hit the power button
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10:28<lili_>abrotman: the privelege of fsck.ext2 seems to be normal..but it input/output error all the same..
10:28<abrotman>or ignore what i said ..
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10:28<abrotman>sounds like your HDD is dying at any rate
10:29<lili_>abortman: the system seems to be reboot many times recently...
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10:30<abrotman>i bet it has .. still doesn't mean it's done a filesystem check
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10:31<lili_>abortman: where is the problem comes from??is that any hacker??or harddisk mistake??
10:31*abrotman wonders if anyone else can read this ...
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10:32<themill>abrotman: no. No-one can hear you scream.
10:32<abrotman>oh well
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10:34<lili_>how can a system `s file lost their information of owner ,privilege but their name randomly..
10:35<Chubbz>lili_: hardware failure
10:35<lili_>Chubbz : a rubbish harddisk..
10:36<lili_>I have a single LVM ,,no partition on my system..
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10:36<lili_>Is that a bad idea...?
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10:37<Chubbz>lili_: not necessarily
10:37<zenadoreg>всем прет подскажите русский канал
10:38<zenadoreg>can you say me russian channel about debian
10:38<lili_>Chubbz: LVM is not necessary??
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10:41<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:41<Chubbz>lili_: Look, you problem is most likely either a bad hard drive or a corrupted file system. abrotman and I have made that pretty clear. I'm not going to sit ehre and explain the pros and cons of a multi-partitioned system
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10:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:03<ottoshmidt>themill, nvidia in squeeze is broken as you told me and I installed source from sid
11:04*themill hides behind abrotman and hopes ottoshmidt won't see him there
11:04*abrotman drags themill out and says "Hey, you wanted to support nvidia, you did this!"
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11:05*themill has never touched nvidia hardware in his life
11:05<rufensis>abrotman and themill: thanks for the help with the backports source list stuff and the kernel upgrade. I'm rather new at this sort of work on a system, and I was able to get my wifi working just now with a kernel upgrade to 2.6.30 and the broadcom 4312 drivers.
11:05<sney>buy this 7950 I have kicking around
11:05<ottoshmidt>but the driver version on sid (185.18.36-2) doesn't support FX 5500
11:05<themill>!pal ottoshmidt
11:05*dpkg points at ottoshmidt and laughs hysterically
11:06<ottoshmidt>themill, any clues :D
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11:06<ottoshmidt>and stop laughing at me
11:06<sney>ottoshmidt: one (completely unsupported) solution is to try installing the nvidia binary package now that you have the nvidia-glx and other required stuff installed the debian way
11:06<sney>in my personal experience, it sometimes works!
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11:07<ottoshmidt>sney, what kernel version is yours?
11:07<abrotman>ottoshmidt: isn't that card like .. five years old ?
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11:07<sney>abrotman: not everyone is made of money, maaaan
11:07<ottoshmidt>abrotman, didn't have probs on ubuntu with proprietary drivers
11:07<abrotman>i'm suggesting it may be -legacy
11:07<themill>ottoshmidt: perhaps one of the legacy nvidia drivers supports it.
11:08<sney>ah. It could be
11:08<ottoshmidt>do you mean from sid again/
11:08<abrotman>sney: and FWIW .. this laptop is about five years old
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11:10<sney>ottoshmidt: looks like nvidia-legacy is your best bet
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11:10<ottoshmidt>my pc is more than 5 years old but linux runs like a charm on it
11:10<ottoshmidt>with 512 mb RAM and single core CPU 2.26
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11:11<ottoshmidt>fx 5500 and compiz flies
11:11<ottoshmidt>sney, let me give it a whirl
11:11<sney>I'm currently running a 11-year-old computer as a firewall system under linux. The kernel and the GNU stuff tend to play very well with older hardware. It's when you get into proprietary drivers that things get funky
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11:12*abrotman gets the 486 out of the closet ...
11:13<sney>I have a sparcstation20 in storage as well but I don't believe it counts if you're not currently using it :P
11:13*abrotman goes to get the Apple //e
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11:18<YokoBR>hi guys..
11:18<YokoBR>my sound doesn't work with lenny
11:19<sney>!doesn't work
11:19<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
11:19<YokoBR>i've tryied compiling it and just installing with apt-get.... both with no results...
11:21<YokoBR>sorry, i was thinking about how would i say it. I'm not so familiar with english language.
11:21<abrotman>lspci -nn .. what is the sound device?
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11:21<YokoBR>ESS Alegro
11:22<abrotman>is that even PCI ?
11:23<YokoBR>is a compaq presario 5000
11:23<sney>Esound stuff used to be really common onboard sound
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11:23<YokoBR>ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro
11:24<YokoBR>well, it worked once...
11:24<YokoBR>but it was not working with zsnes
11:24<YokoBR>so i googled it and found a way to compile alsa driver..
11:24<abrotman>oh jee
11:24<YokoBR>so i did it.
11:24<themill>judd pciid 125d:1988
11:24<judd>themill: [125d:1988] is 'ES1988 Allegro-1' from 'ESS Technology' with kernel module 'snd-maestro3' in lenny. See also
11:24<YokoBR>and so it stopped.
11:25<themill>See the wiki page -- firmware is required, it seems
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11:25<themill>(as long as I've worked out the PCI Id correctly, check that I got it right with "lspci -nn")
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11:30<ottoshmidt>looks like I will have to downgrade kernel to 2.6.26 to install driver 173.xx
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11:31<themill>ottoshmidt: or just use the nv driver or try compiling nouveau
11:32<ottoshmidt>themill, I couldn't compile for nvidia-kernel-source 173.xx...
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11:32<ottoshmidt>but could for
11:32<themill>yes, I gathered that
11:33<ottoshmidt>so how would I compile nouveau
11:33<ottoshmidt>(new one)
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11:33<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: . #nouveau on
11:34<themill>Personally, I'd just use "nv" and be happy.
11:34<ottoshmidt>themill, I can't run any 3d stuff
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11:35<ottoshmidt>and resolution for current driver is awful,
11:35<ottoshmidt>microscopic resolution or gigantic
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11:35<ottoshmidt>no normal one
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12:24<rufensis>themill: You helped me work through a kernel upgrade earlier today to get my wifi (bcm 4312) working. I followed this guide, and all worked fine until restart, at which point I have to re-type "modprobe wl" to get the wifi to come up. How can I make this automatic on startup?
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12:25<Torsten_W>rufensis, put wl in /etc/modules
12:26<rufensis>Torsten_W: is that a config file I just edit with nano?
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12:26<Torsten_W>it is and yes
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12:27<rufensis>Torsten_W: thanks. I did as you suggested and will try to restart.
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12:42<mrX>hey guys
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12:43<mrX>which is the bests chat client
12:44<mrX>for irc chat
12:44<icebrain>mrX: not really Debian related, but try weechat
12:44<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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12:44<mrX>for programmars
12:45<mrX>and for ubuntu
12:45<icebrain>mrX: definitively weechat. Support for scripts in 4 languages
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12:45<mrX>thanks icebrain
12:45<themill>mrX: if you want to know what is in ubuntu, as #ubuntu on
12:47<mrX>the ubuntu channel is empty
12:48<themill>mrX: wrong server.
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13:07<virm>ottoshmidt now I here
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13:09<fisxoj>hello! I've decided I have no use for Vista, which is on the first partition of my hard drive, and would like to make the whole drive linux. Is there any way to shift the linux partitions over to the beginning of the disk?
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13:13<OdyX>fisxoj: not without big hassle… Best way is to create a new one or start from scratch up
13:14<patrikf>fisxoj: dd can do that, but you should have used dd before.
13:14<OdyX>fisxoj: then if you already have LVM, you could add the said partition to your PV
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13:14<fisxoj>it's a relatively new install, so, I don't have too much to lose
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13:17<OdyX>fisxoj: then I'd backup my data and start from scratch with /home & /etc on cryptfs and others normal, the whole on LFS
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13:26<eni4c>ok ya estoy en el canal de ubuntu en español
13:27<themill>eni4c: /server ; /join #ubuntu-es
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13:27<eni4c>es este no themill
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13:28<eni4c>a claro estoy en el canal de debian por que lo puse para que se iniciara junto con el de ubuntu
13:29<themill>eni4c: en,
13:29<eni4c>perdona tienes razón
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13:33<macravin>heyy, anyone know how to mount the MBR of a flash drive?
13:33<Torsten_W>it's not possible to mount an mbr
13:34<macravin>Torsten_W: oh, that's why I couldn't find it on the internet
13:34<peej>it's not a filesystem, it's 512 bytes ;-)
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13:36<macravin>can I add files to it though, a tool just says "add these files to your MBR" as if it is obvious how to do it...
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13:37<peej>you can screw it up easily, yes. Don't try messing around with it unless you know what you are doing.
13:37<Torsten_W>a tool is speaking with you?
13:37<peej>macravin: lemme guess... homework assignment?
13:38<peej>probably not actually if it is a flash drive.
13:38<macravin>I talk to many tools ;) (lol) no not hw but I want to add this odd boot manager it doesn't matter if I scew up it IS a flashdrive
13:40<peej>No idea how flash drive mbrs work. Experience suggests that only drives less than 1GB in size are bootable.
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13:41<peej>the most common commandline tool used for messing around with mbrs is dd. Google it.
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13:42<macravin>ou mean more than 1gb right? But mine DOES boot, I've installed grub on it, thanks, i'll check it out I've heard of that
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13:55<nacho>hi guys, may i ask about sql postgres? do you know specific server/chanel?
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14:10<ottoshmidt>omg now I am totally confused installing nvidia-glx removes xorg and its stuff... why do I need such nvidia driver that remove xorg totally :((
14:10<ottoshmidt>is this conflict normal?
14:12<ottoshmidt>themill, virm anybody any ideas ?
14:14<sepski>ottoshmidt, sounds like you did something wrong. did you make a nvidia kernel module and installed that before installing nvidia-glx ? or are you mixing repos ?
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14:15<virm>ottoshmidt nvidia-xconfig make xorg.conf automaticaly
14:15<ottoshmidt>mixed repos with lenny and downgraded kernel to 2.6.26
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14:15<virm>ottoshmidt you compile module?
14:15<ottoshmidt>virm, making xorg.conf isn't a problem
14:16<ottoshmidt>the thing is that starting gdm newly would result in error that X not found
14:16<ottoshmidt>sepski, I installed nvidia-kernel for current kernel
14:17<ottoshmidt>would I need to compile module anyway?
14:17<ottoshmidt>I mean nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 is installed now
14:18<virm>I sinc you need compile when binary module not work
14:18<ottoshmidt>and invidia-glx can be installed as well but it requires removing xorg
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14:19<ottoshmidt>why would it require that?
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14:19<sepski>ottoshmidt, make sure you get the nvidia-glx that maches your kernel your nvidiakernel and your xorg.
14:19<sepski>perhaps it require you to upgrade to a more recent xorg.
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14:19<sepski>it also usualy say WHY it need to remove xorg
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14:21<sepski>ottoshmidt, you must use nvidia-glx from the same version as your nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686, most of your problems comes from mixed repos i belive
14:21<virm>in xorg.conf in string "driver" put "nv" - yours gdm start normaly, but 3D grafik not working
14:21<ottoshmidt>sepski, you are right
14:21<ottoshmidt>virm, I can start with nv but I need 3d
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14:22<sepski>ottoshmidt, are you running mostly lenny or mostly something else ?
14:22<ottoshmidt>squeeze but
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14:23<ottoshmidt>messed up
14:23<sepski>ottoshmidt, i belive getting 100% squeeze is your first step
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14:23<ottoshmidt>sepski, you were correct nvidia-glx is of different version shall try to correct
14:23<ottoshmidt>let's see
14:24<ottoshmidt>squeeze is bad idea for me 'cause I need glx 173.xxxx and nvidia-kernel-source of that version didn't compile itself under any circumstances
14:25<ottoshmidt>is why I went back to lenny kernel
14:25<virm>ottoshmidt if you want - compile you kernel manualy and download from nvidia drivers, and install it
14:26<virm>ottoshmidt try install lenny kernel and lenny binary nvidia
14:26<ottoshmidt>virm, I don't know exactly why can't nvidia kernel source be compiled for current squeeze kernel, I am not a developer to make such complex things
14:26<ottoshmidt>virm, nvidia binary was unable to compile for 2.
14:26<ottoshmidt>6.30 kernel image as well
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14:29<ottoshmidt>sepski, nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 is v 173.14.09+3+lenny1, and nvidia-glx (173.14.09-5)
14:29<ottoshmidt>is it a problem?
14:30<ottoshmidt>173.14.09+3+lenny1 vs. 173.14.09-5
14:30<sepski>is that nvidia-glx from lenny ?
14:31<sepski>next issue is that you have xorg from squeeze i guess.
14:31<sepski>you just have to try
14:32<sepski>downgrading is a heck of a lot more tricky then going forward
14:33<ottoshmidt>sepski, sid's version of glx doesn't support mu VGA (fx 5500)
14:33<ottoshmidt>that's the whole problem
14:33<abrotman>i bet the legacy version does
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14:34<ottoshmidt>abrotman, it does but that requires nvidia-kernel compilation for 2.6.30 kernel image
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14:34<abrotman>did you run the script to check ?
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14:34<ottoshmidt>which fails all the time and don't know why
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14:35<ottoshmidt>what script?
14:35<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia ( Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
14:35<abrotman>see the URL
14:35<ottoshmidt>I have tried everything from that wiki
14:36<sepski>ottoshmidt, there are 2 nvidia kernels the recent and the legacy. have you checked if your card is supported in the legacy version
14:36<ottoshmidt>I've bee goin around this stuff for all day
14:37<ottoshmidt>sepski, it is supported in legacy one but legacy how build legacy kernel
14:37<sepski>ottoshmidt, i'v never been very successfull at using the percompiled kernels.
14:37<jerryclunsford>I am trying to setup my debian lenny computer to serve as internet gateway for my LAN I have NIC's. The unit would provide dhcp for the LAN. On the NIC that provides the LAN connection will I need to set up a static IP address or can I use dhcp to provide it?
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14:38<ottoshmidt>this can be supported but manual compilation fails with error
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14:38<sepski>ottoshmidt, you use m-a a-i ?
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14:40<ottoshmidt>i use both ways
14:40<ottoshmidt>but in vain
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14:41<ottoshmidt>nvidia-kernel (both legacy-source and source) aren
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14:41<ottoshmidt>'t supposed to compile for 2.6.30 kernel
14:41<ottoshmidt>and can't get why
14:42<ottoshmidt>themill said it's broken or something
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14:45<jerryclunsford>Is there a better channel for networking questions?
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14:48<valdyn>jerryclunsford: you can use dhcp
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14:49<valdyn>jerryclunsford: its much easier if its either a static ip or a fixed dhcp adress though
14:51<valdyn>ottoshmidt: lenny and squeeze nvidia drivers will not compile against 2.6.30, i think sids will
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14:51<jerryclunsford>Valdyn Thanks, That is what I thought, but I'm new.
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14:51<ottoshmidt>valdyn, yes I did sid
14:52<ottoshmidt>sid's one but my vga is old
14:52<rot13>does anyone know when the decision for debconf location in 2011 will be made?
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14:52<ottoshmidt>and legacy driver requires the same nvidia kernel as squeeze which in turn can;t be compiled against 2.6.30
14:53<ottoshmidt>so dead circle
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14:55<ottoshmidt>currently going to downgrade to lenny I guess and shall contact nvidia-kernel-source (173.xxxx verion) maintainers and find out reasons for not compiling against 2.6.30
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14:55<valdyn>ottoshmidt: thats not legacy, thats a lenny version and that one wont be fixed
14:55<abrotman>maybe contact nvidia ...
14:56<ottoshmidt>valdyn, and what is legacy?
14:56<valdyn>ottoshmidt: questio is: why dont you stick to what you have and use a 2.6.26 kernel
14:56<valdyn>ottoshmidt: part of the name of the legacy packages
14:56<valdyn>ottoshmidt: /lastlog legacy
14:57<ottoshmidt>forget about legacy that's not the way out and I explained why
14:57<abrotman>ottoshmidt: did you run that script yet?
14:57<ottoshmidt>so yes I will have to stick to 2.6.26 but that's the same as downgrading all packages from squeeze to lenny
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14:58<ottoshmidt>abrotman, what exactly do you mean
14:58<abrotman>did you read the URL? the one that says "run this script" ?
14:58<ottoshmidt>try legacy compilation with a-i option?
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14:59<ottoshmidt>abrotman, can you provide me with url once more
15:00<ottoshmidt>because I am stuck in the middle, don't know go directly to lenny or try sid legacy once again first
15:00<valdyn>ottoshmidt: you could just run "m-a a-i nvidia-glx-legacy"
15:01<valdyn>ottoshmidt: nevermindm, hold
15:01<valdyn>ottoshmidt: you could just run "m-a a-i nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx"
15:02<valdyn>ottoshmidt: help us help you
15:03<davi>What is the script or debian package to download Youtube videos?
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15:06<Jeffrey>need some help getting amarok working with my ipod if possable :) .. running kde4.3.1 w/amarok 2.2 on a new install from iso aether 2009-02
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15:06<Jeffrey>i do not show any devices in amarok when connected, I show it under kde
15:06<ottoshmidt>valdyn, m-a ignores that package... telling I might need to add some contrib or non-free repos to sources.list
15:06<tank>Hello! How do I modify cd-rom driver properties?
15:06<valdyn>ottoshmidt: so do that
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15:07<ottoshmidt>actually all sid lenny squeeze repos main contrib src non-free are there
15:07<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx-source
15:07<judd>valdyn: nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx-source --
15:07<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
15:07<judd>valdyn: nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source -- sid/non-free: 173.14.20-1
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15:07<tank>my cd-drive is unable to recognize anything but a music cd
15:07<valdyn>ottoshmidt: my bad, try again with ^^
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15:08<ottoshmidt>ok will
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15:11<ottoshmidt>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
15:11<ottoshmidt>Errors were encountered while processing:
15:11<ottoshmidt> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-2.6.26-2-686_173.14.20-1+2.6.26-19_i386.deb
15:11<ottoshmidt>I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies
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15:11<peej>davi: if picking up clive for lenny, use backports version
15:12<rot13>is debian able tu utilize a windows exported network profile for wireless?
15:13<davi>peej, error: extraction url (&video_id) not found
15:13<abrotman>still? seriously
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15:14<peej>davi, you need to give details (package version, debian version, and url/site you're trying)
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15:15<ottoshmidt>stupid bot
15:15<abrotman>you pasted .. it's your fault
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15:17<ottoshmidt>I thought it wasn't long enough
15:17<davi>peej, clive 0.4.18-1, Debian Lenny, clive
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15:17<peej>davi: apt-get install -t lenny-backports clive
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15:18<peej>add backports to your repository list if you don't already have it
15:18<peej>oh, and remove clive first (the lenny version)
15:18<ottoshmidt>valdyn, this time m-a installed legacy kernel (last time I tried without that)
15:19<ottoshmidt>nvidia legacy is installed and doesn;t conflict with xorg so one thing left to test conf file and X itself
15:20<ottoshmidt>the moment of truth
15:22<abrotman>you can't handle the truth
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15:24<davi>thanks peej
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15:25<Jeffrey>can i get some advise how to solve an issue w/amarok and I do not show a media device setting
15:26<Jeffrey>not even sure how to pharse the question ...
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15:43<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to get a more visible mouse pointer in gnome?
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15:45<abrotman>EmleyMoor: you can change the mouse theme
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16:18<awindel>I'm trying to update my kernel to 2.6.30 and I have installed the backports line in my sources list. Can anyone tell me the apt-get command to move to the new kernel?
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16:24<jackyf>awindel: your architecture?
16:25<awindel>jackyf: amd64
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16:25<abrotman>awindel: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64
16:25<awindel>abrotman: thanks
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16:26<abrotman>either should work
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16:28<Guest1143>hi everyone! Want to ask - have Debian live cd and need to visit this site, but can't.. there is flash on second stage of authenticate (some digital pad on flash) and not konqueror not iceweasel can't show it
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16:29<Guest1143>there is some flash banner on main page and it is workin properly
16:30<abrotman>it's probably using swfdec or gnash .. which dont' really work 100% for all flash items
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16:30<Guest1143>yep the first one
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16:31<Guest1143>how can I change it to some other one&
16:31<abrotman>you'd have to download and install flash
16:31<abrotman>not really sure how feasible that is with the liveCD
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16:31<Mortious>I doubt it would work on live cd.
16:32<Guest1143>actually I' newbe)) in nix.. but in slax it was possible to dofor one session
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16:33<Mortious>well you can always give it a try and see how it works out.
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16:34<Guest1143>as I think I need to finde the pakge of flash for debian?
16:36<Guest1143>or I can just to go to flash site and download it from there ?
16:36<Mortious>debian probably does not provide a package it self for flash because it is not "free"
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16:36<Mortious>you will probably have to get the one from adobe
16:36<Guest1143>ok, will try now, thx
16:38<awindel>I just got a wireless device running by following a guide and messing around with kernel modules. I want to add "wl" to startup. Does anyone here know which config file I edit?
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16:39<awindel>abrotman: thanks
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16:39<Guest1143>find download at adobe... what file I need to take - tar.gz or rpm?
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16:40<Nemoder>Guest1134: if a package or installer doesn't work just manually copy the to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
16:41<abrotman>that won'talways work
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16:42<abrotman>probably better to get the one from
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16:42<Guest1143>there is no somefile.SO but *.rpm, *.tar.gz and *.deb
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16:43<rgfda> #twitlive
16:43<Nemoder>you would have to extract it from those packages
16:43<franki^>Guest1143: you can get it from the debian non-free repository, using "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
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16:44<Guest1143>will try now thnx
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16:45<Nemoder>Guest1134: you'll also need to remove swfdec or mess with the alternatives systems
16:45<abrotman>do not use that .deb
16:45<abrotman>franki^: that won't work for him
16:46<franki^>abrotman: oh?
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16:46<abrotman>franki^: it's been removed from lenny .. he's using a lenny livecd
16:47*ottoshmidt expresses his appreciations to valdyn virm themill abrotman and others who assisted him in compiling 3D nvidia driver. Finally he succeeded in installing legacy driver over 2.26.30 without going back to lenny...
16:47<franki^>abrotman: ah, okay, thanks for the information, i'll take that off my advice list :)
16:48<ottoshmidt>too late thanks to all see ya
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16:51<Guest1143>tried to update in pakage manager, it ask some password, I dont know one (
16:51<YokoBR>hi guys... still no luck with my maestro3 sound card
16:51<YokoBR>i've done exactly what is on the wiki...
16:51<YokoBR>but still got no sound
16:52<YokoBR>alsamixer gives me ESS Allegro... so it reconises it
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17:00<Guest1143>guys can someone told me the password (I hope default) in debian live cd pakage manager?
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17:08<jeromeg>I have a porblem when transfering large files to an usb key
17:08<jeromeg>the copy is reported as finished by the file manager or the cp command
17:09<jeromeg>however the copy is not actually finished and there is still some activity on the usb key (led blinking) during a few minutes
17:10<jeromeg>if I try to eject it before blinking stops, I get a warning telling me that the key was not ejected succesfully
17:10<jeromeg>because a delay expired before the key had finished receiving the stuff
17:10<jeromeg>anyone heard about a similar problem?
17:11<hostmaked>thats problem i saw in winXP vary often
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17:12<jeromeg>I wonder why the copy is reported as finished though
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17:15<hostmaked>maybe copy was realy finished but some background activity used you usb key
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17:15<YokoBR>hey guys, i have no sound here =/
17:15<vermont>wow, full room today
17:15<jeromeg>hostmaked: well, it always happens
17:16<jeromeg>I tried with different filesystems
17:16<jeromeg>different keys
17:16<jeromeg>so I think it's a problem with the usb stuff
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17:17<YokoBR>plz, if someone could help me, it would be so appreciated... I dunno much about debian...
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17:18<hostmaked>it can be the problem with usb ports
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17:20<jeromeg>well, I hope my 7 usb ports are not broken!
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17:21<hostmaked>it can be some trouble with drivers for them... maybe some collisions..
17:22<jeromeg>how could I debug that?
17:22<Mortious>How long after the copy does the blinking continue if you let it go? Maybe there is some type of buffering with usb drives.
17:22<jeromeg>something like two or three minutes, at least.
17:22<kingsley>Which do you think are the best mail transfer agent and spam filter for Debian desktop workstations nowadays?
17:22<hostmaked>well try to update them for more new ones
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17:23<bdr>how do I change my preferred sound device in Debian? It chooses my webcam for playback and it doesn't have a speaker
17:24<jeromeg>I have 2.6.31 already
17:24<Mortious>spamassassin is still probably the most widely used spam filter.
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17:26<Mortious>My guess on the usb problem is that there is some type of buffer. So the drive will stay active till the buffer is empty. By default windows does write cacheing on usb devices.
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17:27<jeromeg>ok, so I guess there is not much I can do
17:27<jeromeg>it's just strongly annoying :D
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17:29<spstarr>we seem to have a bug in initramfs-tools
17:30<spstarr>cannot load radeon with KMS hangs on boot up...
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17:30<spstarr>the firmware is copied into ramdisk
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17:30<spstarr>but do we have the disk mounted first?
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17:31<spstarr>this is not a solution
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17:39<jeromeg>using the sync command "fixes" the issue
17:39<jeromeg>but now copying takes 20 minutes...
17:39<hostmaked>some big file?
17:40<jeromeg>650 mo
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17:40<jeromeg>should take one or two minutes, not more
17:40<hostmaked>for the usb not so small
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17:41<hostmaked>actually if you have usb ver.1/1 it vary possible
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17:42<Mortious>that is what I was about to say I bet it is usb 1.1
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17:42<hostmaked>speed of read/write for usb sticks much smaller than hdd
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17:43<hostmaked>at my 2.0 I have about 10 min for 1.6GB film for ex.
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17:44<jeromeg>you use the dmesg log to check if the port is usb 2.0 or not?
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17:46<hostmaked>actually I dont know how to do this in debian.. I just got it and on live CD)) my hdd has "gone" ))
17:46<hostmaked>and erlier I was working in Win-systems))
17:46<avtobiff>is it possible to create new files or dirs with another group than the users default group?
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17:47<avtobiff>something similar to umask but for the group
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17:47<mettao87>Hi guys, I still have a problem with my usbstick. Yesterday I created a fstab line for vfat and added /media/usbstick, and it functioned well. But today it doesn't function. I can't understand why. Can you help me?
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17:47<mettao87>babile: hi, are you here?
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17:48<tank>hello! I'm trying to set-up mp3 ribbing on a Lenny install - sound juice does not want to let me pick mp3 - what can I do?
17:48<mettao87>babilen: hi, are you here? I still have a problem with my usbstick
17:48<babilen>mettao87: Just ask everybody ;-)
17:48<avtobiff>mettao87, maybe the usb stick you have connected is not recognized as the same devic (file) today as yesterday
17:48<mettao87>avtobiff: It is the same device.
17:48<avtobiff>mettao87, e.g. yesterday your usb was /dev/sdb today it is /dev/sdc
17:49<tank>hello! I'm trying to set-up mp3 ribbing on a Lenny install - sound juice does not want to let me pick mp3 - what can I do?
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17:50<mettao87>avtobiff: yesterday they said me after add vfat line in fstab any fat stick will be recognize. Isn't it?
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17:52<tank>what is the debian equivalent of gstreamer10plugin ugly multiverse?
17:52<fabricio>Algum brasileiro?
17:53<jeromeg>hostmaked: ok, mounting it with the flush option this to be the best solution
17:54<hostmaked>jeromeg, in debian there is KInfoCenter - it have info about USB type
17:55<babilen>mettao87: That is under the assumption that the usbstick gets assigned the same device node (eg /dev/hda, /dev/sdb, ...)
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17:56<tank>What's the best application to use to rip mp3?
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17:57<babilen>mettao87: check dmesg after you inserted the stick... If it got assigned a different one this time it will not work..
17:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:57<mettao87>babilen: I checked with dmesg | tail -15 and now the node is sda1 and yestarday was sdb1... I think this is the problem. But why any times the device mode change?
17:57<babilen>mettao87: Alright. That is the reason...
17:58<babilen>mettao87: Hang on a second
17:58<tank>mp3 anyone?
17:58<gsimmons>tank: WRT Sound Juicer, the GStreamer Lame plugin is required for MP3 encoding. See /usr/share/doc/sound-juicer/README
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17:59<mettao87>what can I do to have the same device node every time?
17:59<tank>okay, thanks for pointing me to this.
18:00<babilen>mettao87: I still don't quite understand why the automounter does not work for you. It might be due to vfat, but anyhow. You are using GNOME?
18:00<tank>gsimmons: rebuild sound juicer? really?
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18:00<mettao87>babilen: yes
18:01<bahamat>can I pass flags to my interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces? eg, disable arp or multicast?
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18:01<mettao87>I don't know why. In my fstab there wasn't the ntfs and vfat line. I added it later
18:01<babilen>mettao87: there is a "Removable Drives and Media" section in the control center. Did you check if everything related to USB sticks is activated?
18:01<babilen>mettao87: Or first: Do you see the (unnmounted) drive in nautilus?
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18:02<mettao87>babilen: I see it in the computer directory
18:02<babilen>mettao87: ok, what happens when you click that?
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18:03<gsimmons>tank: That isn't what it says. Try installing gstreamer0.10-lame from Debian Multimedia ; /msg dpkg dmm
18:03<mettao87>babilen: error, cannot mount the volume
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18:03<babilen>mettao87: Is there any more information *why* there was an error?
18:03<mettao87>babilen: in removable I have mount and browse checked.
18:04<mettao87>babilen: it say invalid to mount
18:04<babilen>mettao87: Alright. It must be vfat's fault then... :-(
18:04<babilen>mettao87: Would using a different filesystem be an option?
18:04<tank>gsimmons: found it - explain dpkg dmm please
18:06<mettao87>babilen: in fstab for sda1 I have the nfts type and for sdb1 vfat, because yesterday my stick(fat) was in sdb1 and my hd (ntfs) was in sda1. but today I have the usbstick (fat) in sda1. Probably this is the problem.
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18:08<gsimmons>tank: It's a command for your IRC client, which returns the value of a factoid from the dpkg infobot in a private message.
18:09<babilen>mettao87: Yeah, definetely. You should either (i) use a different filesystem on the stick and remove the fstab line or (ii) use UUID to identify the drive
18:09<tank>gsimmons: ah...
18:09<mettao87>babilen: this is my fstab: p://
18:10<babilen>mettao87: Thanks, would (i) be an option?
18:10<tank>gsimmons: I installed gstreamer - do I need to reboot - it still won't do mp3
18:10<gsimmons>tank: At least restart Sound Juicer.
18:10<mettao87>babilen: I can't change the filesystem because it isn't my personal usbstick.
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18:11<tank>gsimmons: been doing that... no luck
18:11<junior>aqui é o canal do debian brasileiro
18:11<junior>canal debian-br?
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18:12<babilen>mettao87: Ok, than you should identify by UUID. Run "blkid" as root and search for your drive in there.
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18:12<babilen>mettao87: There should be a UUID in there (something like UUID=".....")
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18:12<mettao87>babilen: ok, I have it
18:13<tank>even grip refuses to rip to mp3....
18:13<babilen>mettao87: update the line in your fstab from "/dev/sdb1 ..." to "UUID=the_uuid_you_just_found ..."
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18:14<mettao87>babilen: sdb1 or sda1?
18:14<babilen>mettao87: the one referring to the usb stick
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18:14<babilen>mettao87: with the UUID of the stick
18:15<babilen>mettao87: Ah, you seem to have to sticks in there?
18:15<mettao87>babilen: today is sda but yesterday was sdb. and if tomorrow it will change again?
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18:16<babilen>mettao87: s/to/two ... do you have two sticks? One with ntfs and one with vfat?
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18:16<mettao87>babilen: yes
18:16<babilen>mettao87: The UUID will not change, that is why i propose using it...
18:16<mettao87>babilen: ok, I'll try.
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18:17<mettao87>babilen: I need to add uuid after noauto,user.......?
18:17<babilen>mettao87: Ok, do this procedure for both of them and mount them to different mount points /media/stick1 /media/stick2 if you plan to use them at the same time
18:17<mettao87>babilen: ok. Thanks.
18:18<babilen>mettao87: No, you use the UUID=your_uuids *instead* of /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sda1
18:18<mettao87>babilen: ok, perfect.
18:18<babilen>mettao87: that way you can use a *unique* identifier for the drives
18:19<babilen>mettao87: I'll be back in a second. Hope it works now... If not ask again in here.
18:19<mettao87>babilen: ok, thank you very much
18:19<babilen>mettao87: Sorry about the bad automounting experience, but i guess the reason are the filesystems (never touched those in years)
18:20<mettao87>babilen: ok, no problem. I like to do this things.
18:20<babilen>mettao87: :-D
18:21<tank>okay, got grip to use lame for mp3 - it didn't like cdparanoia???
18:22<tank>how do I tell Debian Lenny to use exaile for mp3s?
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18:24<gsimmons>tank: (re sound-juicer) Works for me. Installing gstreamer0.10-lame from Debian Multimedia provides the "CD Quality, MP3 (mp3 audio)" output format option.
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18:24<wannabe>hi all
18:25<wannabe>i use lenny stable
18:25<tank>gsimmons: for some reason it just won't even let me choose mp3, though it is listed in sound juicer's formats
18:25<wannabe>an i try to recompile by myself
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18:26<teknoid>omg, that's a hell of a task
18:26<teknoid>what's the problem?
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18:26<wannabe>i had manu unmet dipendences, so i recompiled also the dipendence to make tem sutisfied.
18:26<themill>wannabe: ummm... why?
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18:27<wannabe>themill, why to recompile? well some reasons> to test my 4core, to see i am able, and so on.
18:27<themill>wannabe: openoffice in lenny works fine (version 2.4.1) and openoffice from works very nicely (3.1.1).
18:28<wannabe>themill, i know it works well, simply i want to test recompile prcess oaf aso lage application as openoffice is.
18:28<wannabe>anyway, i just want to report what i tink is a bub.
18:28<wannabe>a bug
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18:29<wannabe>well, i try to apt-get source -b mingw32 an i got unmet dipendence of mingw32-runtime
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18:29<wannabe>buafter i try to to apt-get source -b mingw32-runtime and i got unmet dipendence of mingw32
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18:30<wannabe>so, to recompile A i need B, but to recompile B, i need A.
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18:30<mettao87>bye guys.. thank you.
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18:30<themill>wannabe: all build-deps of mingw32-runtime are available in lenny
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18:31<wannabe>themill, I had onluy binary dvd 1 and all source dvd. so i was forced to recompile what i have not in dvd1.
18:31<themill>wannabe: that you don't have access to the archive is not a bug.
18:32<babilen>wannabe: Run "apt-get build-dep package" to install all build dependencies. But anyway - Why bother?
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18:33<wannabe>whgat i want to underline is that it seems to exinst crossed reference ... if ther is not accwss to binary version of some package, then it will be not possible to do the compile-from-scratch of all. it is cleam my dubt?
18:33<macravin>wannabe: why not just download the source from the internet?
18:33<wannabe>macravin, because in THAT time i had not access to web, smply.
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18:34<wannabe>now i have, so i installed mingw322 as well.
18:34<themill>wannabe: that's not uncommon. Many packages are bootstrapped in this way
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18:34<wannabe>btw, openoffice compiled in 395minutes.
18:34<macravin>wanabe: then you couldn't do apt-get source anyway...
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18:35<wannabe>macravin, i was able to do apt-get source -b using mi local sio images of source DVD, with the only exception od mingw32 and mingw32-runtime, an this failure made me sad.
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18:36<themill>wannabe: you need to "apt-get build-dep packagename" prior to running "apt-get source -b packagename".
18:36<wannabe>macravin, i was able to do apt-get source -b using my local iso images of source DVD, with the only exception of mingw32 and mingw32-runtime, an this failure made me sad.
18:36<tank>how do I stop sound juicer from trying to play cd's when I insert one into the CD drive?
18:36<macravin>??? you already said that :)
18:37<wannabe>themill, tanks for info. previously i din check one by one MANUALLY on missed dipendences, . i will boockmark you suggestion, .
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18:37<babilen>wannabe: As has already been pointed out to you. But really - why bother? If you want to play with the system try to learn iptables, or recompile a package in which you want to change some compile flags...
18:37<wannabe>macravin, sorry, there qwas some grammatical errors so i corrected and repeated.
18:38<PsyberPhreedom>I was thinking about installing debian OS... does it have a desk top like ubunto? I am a total novice to linux stuff.. ran windows till yesterday. then loaded ubuntu desktop, but want to run a server on another PC and have read lotsa interesting stuff about debian
18:38<themill>wannabe: this is all in man apt-get and in the debian reference. /msg dpkg grounding; /msg dpkg reference
18:38<tank>I already changed the preferred audio application, but sound juice keeps popping up - I may have a cd-drive issue
18:38<wannabe>babilen, yes, for some packages i changed -O2 to -O3. btw, tu ise -Os to recompile glibc6, make to fail gcc.
18:39<babilen>PsyberPhreedom: Yes, Debian has GNOME (the desktop in ubuntu) as well. Just try it!
18:39<wannabe>anyway, iptable is one of my still-not-studied topic. i must do soon.
18:39<babilen>wannabe: It might be that gentoo is actually what you are looking for.
18:39<PsyberPhreedom>thnx babilen.. that all I need to here,, gonna record the ISO now
18:40<babilen>PsyberPhreedom: I hope you use the netinstall
18:40<wannabe>babilen, eh, i LOVE debian, to move to another distro.... :(((((((((
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18:41<macravin>the netinstall, an install from the internet
18:41<babilen>wannabe: It just sounded like you really enjoy compiling packages yourself, tweaking compile flags for every single one... So i just wanted to point out that there are distributions/OS that work like that (gentoo, slackware, FreeBSD, ....)
18:41<wannabe>someohe tried to recompile huge project, like KDE?
18:42<babilen>!tell PsyberPhreedom -about netinstall
18:42<themill>dpkg, gentoosmite wannabe
18:42*dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling wannabe, and when it's all done, wannabe runs 8% slower than previously
18:42<PsyberPhreedom>babilen: i was going to record the image from the debian site if that is what you mean
18:42<PsyberPhreedom>babilen: thnx
18:42<wannabe>themill, 8% slower???? my god.
18:42<babilen>wannabe: Yes, sure. It is just that there are different ISOs you can use. I suggest to you to use the "netinstall" one
18:43<babilen>^^^^ PsyberPhreedom
18:44<macravin>you kind of have to use the netinstall, I mean regular debian is what like 4 dvds
18:44<wannabe>the point is: i dislike to leave unused the features of cpu. it there are, better to use. im afraid debian still stay on 486 compiling flags... i hope the will move to 686 withe squeeze.
18:44<PsyberPhreedom>are you versed in developing website stuff, babilen? I may need a brain to pick after installin, like I said, I am a total newb to linuz lol
18:45<babilen>PsyberPhreedom: Just come here and ask your questions. If we think that there is a better channel we will let you know.
18:45<themill>wannabe: the only place these are sensibly used is in the kernel and libc and they are already optimised in both 486 and 668 versions.
18:45<PsyberPhreedom>kewl beans
18:45<wannabe>macravin, usually i downoad ALL dvd binary and all dvd source, so i am indipendend from the net and free to do recompiling if needed.
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18:46<wannabe>als als as @istorical@ bacul of 3.0 3.1 4.0 and 5.0 debina release.
18:46<babilen>PsyberPhreedom: Welcome to the Debian community
18:47<PsyberPhreedom>Thank you, babilen..
18:47<wannabe>themill, ok, but also other (little number, i know) softwarecam be speed up, i think: some like gimp, kino or other... what is your opinion?
18:47<tank>in the removable drives and media dialog box, what is the default for Command for Audio CDs? - I deleted what was there
18:47<macravin>wannabe: yay, and then you have an archive of old outdated software, and then you can use 4 more dvds when squeeze is stable! (just my opinion of course)
18:48<themill>wannabe: not worth the hassle and probably wouldn't use any additional cpu features anyway
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18:48<wannabe>macravin, there are lot of space on my usb 300G hard drive,. stable squeeze will be wellcome.
18:49<wannabe>themill, eh, im afraid you are 99% right... pity to have powerfull cpu that tun as high 386 speed.
18:50<themill>wannabe: your kernel and libc6 are optimised for the cpu class. Be happy with that and stop wasting your time recompiling things.
18:50<babilen>wannabe: Just once again. If you are eager to try things like this use a distribution/OS that is meant to be used like this. If you want to stay with Debian - there are better things to spend your time on IMHO than recompiling packages
18:50<wannabe>macravin, btw, i hope there will be need of 6 dvd for squeeze :)
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18:51<wannabe>babilen, your suggestion are welcome. iptables is already on the list-of-topic-i-must-study, there are other u can suggest me"
18:52<macravin>wannabe: because where else will all of the features and stability go :) (I still don't understand how ubuntu has only one cd, must be way less apps and features)
18:52<babilen>wannabe: Read "Securing Debian" Manual and implement everyhting in there should keep you busy for some time.
18:52<wannabe>babilen, ok, i bookmarked.
18:52<wannabe>babilen, thanks.
18:53<themill>!debian system
18:53<dpkg>"The Debian System" is a book written by Debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's an excellent resource for learning about how Un*x and in particular Debian systems run and how to look after them. Also ask me about <grounding>.
18:54<babilen>wannabe: Also read the excellent documentation by osamu aoki - ie the debian reference
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18:55<macravin>does anyone know the advantages of having separate /home /usr /var and /tmp partitions, I'm installing debian for a friend, I always have ignored this window
18:56<babilen>macravin: first of all: Keep /home on a seperate partition, so you can easily reinstall your system without touching your user files.
18:56<wannabe>one topic i like: security. i wish to rebuild my laptop in secure way, isun cryptografy to protect the hard dsik.... hany subbestion?
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18:57<macravin>babilen: oh, that's why!
18:57<babilen>macravin: Another thing is that some applications behave really bad and might just fill up /tmp. This will not be as bad if /tmp is a different partition
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18:57<wannabe>macravin, separate partition /tmp will not fill 100% hard disc.
18:58<babilen>macravin: Another reason I can give you is, that you can choose an optimised filesystem for different areas (optimised for small files in /var for example)
18:58<Mortious>Same with /var. Putting /var in ists own system could keep log files from filling your entire drive.
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18:58<babilen>macravin: It is also common to mount /usr as ro and remount it rw only if you need to install new packages.... and so on
18:59<wannabe>macravin, you can choos to set some partition to not allos to start soft from there, to increase security of the sistem
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19:01<babilen>macravin: I would just use one big partition for everything (except boot), use that as the basis of LVM and assign space to different volume groups for all areas you want to single out (/home, /usr, /sbin, /var, ....)
19:02<babilen>macravin: possibly encrypted if that is needed
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19:02<macravin>yah, I think i'll stick with just one so that I don't run out of space in any one partition
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19:04<babilen>macravin: s/volume groups/logical volumes
19:04<babilen>macravin: That won't happen if you use LVM
19:04<massmc>anyone know how to activate the timestamp on bitchx in channels?
19:05<babilen>macravin: I just wanted to point out some reasons to follow this path. The decision what you want is entirely up to you.
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19:05<macravin>massmc: no, don't use it, but it's probably just in prefs
19:06<massmc>macravin , tried that, and in help file also.. the logs hold a timestamp, but i'm baffled to get it up in the channel
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19:06<macravin>babilen: That's the reason I asked, thanks I feel much more knowledgeable...
19:07<babilen>macravin: \o/
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19:10*hostmaked is back
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19:11<PsyberPhreedom>babilen: how long does it normally take to burn the netinstall iso?
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19:11<macravin>massmc: in xchat irc if you put a timestamp on the log, it will be on everything
19:12<Mortious>it burtns very quickly
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19:12<macravin>PsyberPhreedom: an extremely short quantity of time
19:12<Mortious>it is small
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19:12<PsyberPhreedom>must be somewthing wrong here then.. I started the burn, jumped in the shower and it is still writing
19:12<massmc>macravin: Yea, I know how to get the timestamps on xchat, irssi, etc. But bitchx has me stumped
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19:13<macravin>why not use xchat if you have it installed?
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19:13<Mortious>did you check the md5 on the image?
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19:14<PsyberPhreedom>I have no idea what a md5 is burned my first iso last nite
19:14<massmc>macravin: I have no gui on this machine
19:14<macravin>does it say a percent completed, mabie it's just slow
19:14<macravin>massmc: oh ok
19:14<PsyberPhreedom>I am using brasero and is doesnt show the prgress
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19:15<macravin>you aren't running linux now are you? because then the command is just md5 and then drag the iso into terminal
19:16<PsyberPhreedom>I am on linux and very new to it, macravin..
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19:17<PsyberPhreedom>sudo md5?
19:17<PsyberPhreedom>then drag
19:17<macravin>you don't need sudo but yes, but put a space in between the md5 and the draged file
19:18<PsyberPhreedom>ok.. I appreciate it, macravin
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19:19<macravin>PsyberPhreedom: your welcome, but if you are allready running linux, then why make an install disk
19:20<PsyberPhreedom>I am on ubuntu and was wanting to use debian on another PC
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19:20<PsyberPhreedom>I copyed the ubuntu using windows last nite
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19:20<PsyberPhreedom>this is all new to me
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19:21<PsyberPhreedom>no command for md5 found
19:22<macravin>I remember when it was new to me... it helps when you are switching from mac instead of windows
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19:23<PsyberPhreedom>I just built this rig and couldnt find my windows installer so used ubuntu
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19:24<PsyberPhreedom>so far I like it,, just alot to learn
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19:24<PsyberPhreedom>no command for md5 found,,, any ideas?
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19:25<macravin>it's way different from windows... right, it must be in a package that I installed a while ago... mabie someone else knows
19:26<macravin>oh that was helpful
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19:47<dmc_lat47>recently got mail about an apache security issue; cve-2009-3555. the vulnerability allows MITM attacks. I have the 5.03 debian distribution; just installed about a month ago; what do I have to do to fix the vulnerability?
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19:49<roland>hey, I need some help to add an kernel in grub
19:49<roland>everything is changed
19:49<dmc_lat47> recently got mail about an apache security issue; cve-2009-3555. the vulnerability allows MITM attacks. I have the 5.03 debian distribution; just installed about a month ago; what do I have to do to fix the vulnerability?
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19:54<babilen>dmc_lat47: It is not yet fixed in Debian AFAIK (
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19:54<dmc_lat47>okay, thanks
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19:55<babilen>dmc_lat47: If you know how to fix that issue you can download the source packages and implement a fix. I am sure the maintainers appreciate a pull request ;-)
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20:20<manevra>anybody here ?
20:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:21<manevra>What is the difference between the i386 version or amd64? are they different does it matter ?
20:22<phrosty>i386 is 32-bit, amd64 is 64-bit
20:23<manevra>I understood from a forum that this is the processor detail
20:23<manevra>i wanted to know if they are different or something. what happens if i install i386 on a 64-bit system ?
20:24<babilen>manevra: Do you know the name of the processor of your machine?
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20:24<babilen>manevra: You can install i386 just fine on a 64bit processor
20:24<manevra>Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2160 @ 1.80 Ghz
20:24<manevra>and 1GB of RAM
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20:25<manevra>babilen so, it's the same operating system i386 or amd64 there is nothing different in them ?
20:26<babilen>manevra: There is basically not much of a difference between the two. amd64 can address more memory than i386, but given that you have 1GB or RAM that does not apply to you
20:27<phrosty>and amd64 might run faster depending on what you do
20:27<manevra>OK thanks a lot. and one more thing, which is better gnome desktop or kde ?
20:27<babilen>manevra: You might also have it easier to use software like skype on a i386 system.
20:28<babilen>manevra: That really depends on *your* taste and needs. Try them both and maybe xfce and lxde and pick the one you like best
20:28<manevra>kde has 3d effects to rotate the desktop , etc ?
20:30<babilen>manevra: I don't know. I haven't used any of them in years. But KDE has a bit more eye candy than the others IIRC and might run significantly slower than some of the lighter alternatives I mentioned
20:31<manevra>thank you for your help babilen
20:31<babilen>manevra: I would really suggest that you start by installing debian and then you can try various Desktop Environment/Window Managers until you find one that fits your needs
20:31<manevra>i will choose a i386 gnome desktop
20:32<babilen>manevra: You can change your desktop whenever you want to do so.
20:32<babilen>manevra: Have fun!
20:32<manevra>so if i install the archive debian-i386-gnome-desktop.iso
20:32<manevra>i can change to kde for example, after installation ?
20:33<manevra>without re-installing the whole operating system ?
20:33<babilen>!tell manevra -about netinstall
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20:34<babilen>manevra: Where did you find that ISO?
20:34<manevra>on a private .torrent
20:34<babilen>manevra: And yes, you can change that as often as you like. You can install all of them at the same time and switch whenever you feel like it
20:35<babilen>manevra: Use the link dpkg told you about and use the netinstall ISO from the *official* mirrors
20:35<manevra>because in my browse list, they are listed i386-gnome-desktop / i386-kde-desktop / i386-lxde-desktop, etc
20:36<manevra>and i thought they are different
20:36<babilen>manevra: Where did you find that list? Do you have a URL?
20:37<babilen>manevra: But use the netinstall ISO from
20:37<manevra>is the torrent site
20:38<babilen>manevra: forget about these images. I have no idea what they distribute and might even contain really bad things.
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20:39<manevra>i should get it from where dpkg told me ?
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20:40<babilen>manevra: Go here
20:40<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
20:40<manevra>babile: please have a look here
20:40<manevra>which cd i should choose ?
20:41<babilen>manevra: debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
20:41<manevra>I want to be able to install the operating system on a laptop which is not connected to the internet
20:43<eightyeight>why is gdm so outdated?
20:44<babilen>manevra: Ah, ok. That changes quite a bit. Download the DVD images from
20:44<babilen>manevra: I would think that the first DVD contains everything you need.
20:44<manevra>all 5 of them ?
20:45<babilen>manevra: It really depends on the software you want to install. The first DVD contains the most important packages.
20:45<babilen>manevra: You are sure that you cannot connect the laptop to the net?
20:45<manevra>i would like a full instalation
20:46<eightyeight>manevra: you can do a full install with the first cd
20:46<eightyeight>if you select additional software for the install outside of the default base, then you might need more
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20:47<enderst>full? there is no full. full is whatever you want to call full
20:47<babilen>manevra: The first DVD should cover all your needs though.
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20:47<manevra>babilen thank you. you've been very helpfull
20:47<babilen>enderst: Full would be "aptitude install \!~i" but that might be a bad idea ;-)
20:47<babilen>manevra: Enjoy the install and come back when you need help.
20:48<eightyeight>so, anyone know why gdm is horribly outdated?
20:49<babilen>judd versions gdm
20:49<judd>babilen: gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1 lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1 sid: 2.20.10-1 squeeze: 2.20.10-1
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20:49<Zhila_7>how would I go about getting netinst to work on my ralink wireless card? (uses non-free firmware, I believe)
20:52<Zhila_7>out of power...
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20:56<vvas>eightyeight: actually i noticed that a few days ago too, i should really file a bug about this
20:57<vvas>eightyeight: or if you do it i'll pitch in
20:57<eightyeight>vvas: i think it's fairly documented. it's on qa and dehs
20:57<vvas>oh? link?
20:59<eightyeight>vvas: and
21:00<vvas>i'd still file a bug
21:01<vvas>probably not even a wishlist one
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21:04<kingsley>How would you move emails in /var/spool/exim4/input/ to /var/spool/mail/<username>?
21:05<vvas>by having exim process them?
21:06<kingsley>vvas: Yes, I think having exim4 process them would be satisfactory.
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21:06<kingsley>vvas: Do you happen to know how, especially when reconfiguring after upgrading from exim3 to exim4?
21:07<vvas>i'd go for "exim -qff"
21:08<vvas>if, after that, messages still remain in the queue, there's probably something wrong with the configuration that you need to solve
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21:10<vvas>(by the way, you're a bit late to the party aren't you ;^) )
21:10<kingsley>vvas: I'm waiting for -qff to finish. The hard drives are busy...
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21:13<kingsley>vvas: -qff didn't work.
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21:14<vvas>then you need to use "mailq" to see what messages are there and examine the log files in /var/log/exim4/ to find out what went wrong
21:15<vvas>most likely the messages are frozen due to some configuration problem
21:15<kingsley>Looking at the emails in /var/spool/exim4/input/*-D, I see that they all seem to say
21:15<kingsley>SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<kingsley@>
21:15<vvas>oops, it's treating them as remote
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21:17<vvas>kingsley, if you run "exim -bt" and enter your username to the prompt, what does it say is the router and the transport?
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21:19<kingsley>vvas: Thank you for your clever suggesion.
21:20<kingsley>vvas: router = procmail, transport = procmail_pipe
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21:20<vvas>ok, that looks alright
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21:21<vvas>i wouldn't know where that error you showed above comes from then, you'll have to consult the logs
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21:23<kingsley>vvas: The latest messages in /var/log/exim4/mainlog say emails are frozen.
21:23<kingsley>vvas: The previous messages say
21:23<kingsley>stuff like...
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21:25<kingsley>1N6wjc-0007Cq-Oe ** R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote
21:25<kingsley> mail server after RCPT TO:<>: host <fully qualified domain name for smarthost> [<smarthost IP address>]: 554 5.7.1 <idiomaticftx
21:25<kingsley>>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied
21:26<vvas>looks like your smarthost is giving you the finger
21:28<kingsley>vvas: Hmmm... It seems to me that it would be the little finger, because the emails are retrieved from the smarthost. They're just delivered into the wrong directory.
21:29<kingsley>For what it's worth, I'm reminded of the diagnostic error message embedded into the emails.
21:29<vvas>retrieved from the smarthost by what?
21:29<kingsley>The embedded error messages say
21:29<kingsley>"SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<kingsley@>"
21:31<kingsley>Which, in turn, reminds me that exim4's configuration asks questions about how to describe the local box, and I may have mistakenly entered when I should have entered a fully qualified domain name.
21:32<vvas>"dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" to enter them again
21:32<kingsley>vvas: To answer your fine question, emails are retrieved from the smarthost by a utility called "fetchmail", which I think them forwards them to port 25.
21:33<kingsley>I think exim4 is listening to port 25.
21:34<vvas>yes, and from your description, exim is accepting the messages (so it's queueing them up) but then is treating them as remote (so tries to connect to itself)
21:34<kingsley>vvas: Of all the fields configured into /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, I'm most interested in
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21:35<vvas>that's what i have there too
21:35<kingsley>because is also mentioned in the error messages embedded in the emails in /var/spool/exim4/input/
21:36<vvas>you could also try messing with the 'smtpaddress' option of fetchmail (that won't help with messages already in the queue though)
21:37<vvas>or you could try adding 'localhost' to dc_other_hostnames
21:38<kingsley>vvas: Having the benefit of your advice, it seems to me that he best plan is to run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and look for configuration options that indicate "remote".
21:38<kingsley>vvas: I'm intrigued by your suggestion of adding localhost to dc_other_hostnames.
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21:39<kingsley>I'm running "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" now.
21:40<kingsley>Here's what I propose
21:40<kingsley>mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail
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21:42<kingsley>System mail name:
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21:45<kingsley>However, I'm concerned that this might cause problems. For years, I've configured my box to think of itself as, even though that domain name is also used elsewhere on the net.
21:47*kingsley needs to step away for a few minutes...
21:47<kingsley>I'll be back.
21:47<kingsley>Or, as the governor of California has said, "Uh'll be bok".
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21:55<kingsley>I'm back.
21:56<kingsley>IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections:
21:57<kingsley>Other destinations for which mail is accepted: debian1
21:57<vvas>as i said, perhaps you'll want to also add localhost to that
21:58<kingsley>I suspect that corresponds to dc_other_hostnames, which "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" says "localhost" is always added to this.
21:58<vvas>ok then
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21:59<babilen>kingsley: Why not use something like "example.local" instead of ""
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22:00<kingsley>babilen: I suppose the short answer is, "for historical reasons".
22:00<faheem>can anyone suggest a good reference for trying to mount a usb device, specifically a SanDisk card reader (SanDisk Corp. SDDR-88 Imagemate 8-in-1 Reader)?
22:01<faheem>the entry i had in my /etc/fstab doesn't seem to be working
22:02<kingsley>babilen: The long answer is I set it up as a long time ago, but save money by using a dynamic IP. However, a the moment, your suggestion does seem plausible.
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22:03<babilen>kingsley: Yes :-D
22:03<debnub>hi all
22:03<kingsley>babilen: Although, on second thought, switching to example.local now might entail other changes.
22:03<babilen>faheem: What is the problem?
22:03<babilen>kingsley: Such as?
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22:04<kingsley>babilen: I suppose other configurations lurk in /etc that depend on
22:04<kingsley>Machines to relay mail for: <blank>
22:05<babilen>kingsley: grep -rie "" /etc
22:05<faheem>babilen: per, i can see the reader in /proc/bus/usb/devices, also lsusb
22:05<kingsley>IP address or host name of the outgoing smarthost: <my ISP's smarthost name>
22:05<faheem>however, sg_scan -i shows nothing
22:06<faheem>lsusb, for example, has - Bus 002 Device 006: ID 0781:8889 SanDisk Corp. SDDR-88 Imagemate 8-in-1 Reader
22:06<kingsley>Hide local mail name in outgoing mail? Yes
22:06<faheem>running a debian stock kernel on lenny - 2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem
22:07<faheem>assuming all necessary stuff enabled there
22:07<faheem>suggestions? trying to get some photos off a flash card...
22:07<kingsley>Visible domain name for local users: <My ISP's domain name>
22:08<babilen>kingsley: Please don't repeat every step you are doing in here
22:09<babilen>faheem: Actually no.. I have not yet used a smart card reader. Can you paste the output of dmesg somewhere when you plug in a card?
22:10<faheem>babilen: ok, sec
22:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:10<babilen>faheem: Or rather "dmesg | tail -n 23"
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22:13<faheem>i think corresponds to the SanDisk
22:13<faheem>think this, sorry
22:14<faheem>babilen: T: Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=05 Cnt=01 Dev#= 6 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 (/proc/bus/usb/devices) also shows device 6
22:14<babilen>faheem: Can you mount it manually (mkdir /media/card ; mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/card)
22:15<kingsley>babilen: I accommodated your request to stop echoing every step, and I grepped though /etc for It's in 37 files.
22:15<babilen>kingsley: FUN!
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22:16<faheem>babilen: tried that, don't know what the mount point is, though
22:16<faheem>is /dev/sdc1 an educated guess?
22:16<faheem>i mean the device, sorry
22:16<babilen>faheem: That is what dmesg told me
22:16<faheem>why isn't sg_scan detecting it?
22:17<kingsley>babilen: It seems to me that it wold be more fun if this computer weren't a production system.
22:17<babilen>faheem: No idea. I have never used sg_scan
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22:17<babilen>kingsley: Hang on...
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22:17<debnub>Hello all, i just installed debian on my powerbook g4 and when i run iwconfig and iwlist i get a "command not found" error. Where do these modules reside so that i can double check if they were installed?
22:18<faheem>babilen: can you elaborate? i see sdc, but why 1? and i also see sdd sde sdf
22:18<babilen>kingsley: You are running a production system with a hostname ( that does not belong to you and whose DNS records point somewhere else?
22:19<kingsley>babilen: I own
22:19<babilen>faheem: Just try the command I gave you and paste the output (if any)
22:19<babilen>kingsley: Then don't change the hostname.
22:19<faheem>babilen: it works.
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22:20<babilen>kingsley: I interpreted the "even though is used" part as "I just chose that because I like it and don't care if it actually belongs to someone else"
22:20<babilen>faheem: Great. Do you want automounting to work?
22:20<faheem>no output message.
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22:20<faheem>babilen: i can put it my /etc/fstab, no problem
22:20<babilen>faheem: Can you see the files in /media/card ?
22:20<faheem>babilen: yes
22:21<babilen>faheem: You probably want to refer to the card by its *unique* UUID and not by /dev/sdc1 (that might change)
22:21<faheem>babilen: ok
22:22<faheem>sounds like a good idea. how do i do that?
22:22<faheem>is this some USB thing?
22:22<babilen>faheem: To do so: (i) run "blkid" and find the corresponding entry (ii) man fstab (iii) essentially UUID=the_uuid instead of /dev/sdc1 in fstab
22:22<faheem>babilen: nifty. thanks, will try it
22:23<babilen>faheem: No, it works for all block devices (the names /dev/sd{a,b,...} are not static
22:23<faheem>babilen: blkid is good to know about. it gave the block device too
22:23<faheem>/dev/sdc1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="1103-221F" TYPE="vfat" LABEL="LEXAR MEDIA"
22:24<faheem>do i need to put the quotes in fstab?
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22:24<faheem>so, "1103-221F" or just 1103-221F
22:24<faheem>i'm assuming the former
22:24<babilen>no IIRC
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22:25<babilen>faheem: Don't forget about (ii) man fstab ;-)
22:25<faheem>babilen: i see. ok quotes around
22:25<faheem>will try it, thanks
22:25<babilen>faheem: *no* quotes!
22:27<faheem>babilen: sorry, silly me.
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22:29<faheem>babilen: thanks very much. that works.
22:30<faheem>i thought lenny had some automount thing, but doesn't seem to be working, at least for this device
22:30<faheem>i remember it working for my usb stick
22:30<babilen>faheem: It seems to be due to the vfat fs.
22:31<faheem>babilen: why?
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22:37<faheem>babilen: well, thanks. that was very educational
22:37<faheem>mounting is such a pain
22:37<faheem>it's one of those rare times i wish i was running windows
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22:38<babilen>faheem: At least it is working now. It usually is no problem with filesystems native to *NIX
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22:39<discrete>I recently got a new EEE PC with a broken touchpad, and I was thinking of putting command line only Debian on it, so I could learn more about the command line. Would that work fine?
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22:41<faheem>babilen: vfat apparently different (older) than fat32
22:41<faheem>fat32 seems to be more standard on linux
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22:41<faheem>i meant to say (older?) there
22:43<babilen>discrete: You might also consider using a window manager optimised for keyboard control (wmii, awesome, xmonad, ion3, ....)
22:44<babilen>discrete: together with vimperator for iceweasel you rarely need the touchpad
22:44<discrete>Yeah, I just want to do it as an experiment though.
22:45<discrete>I want to see how well a can manage with just the command line.
22:48<babilen>discrete: Quite well I guess. But window managers like those i mentioned might still be a good idea.
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23:40<beerfrog>can someone give me a quick run down on how to prevent lockups. ulimit or something, anything that might help
23:40<beerfrog>i have no man page for ulimit
23:40<beerfrog>and my system locks up whenever i launch my web browser now
23:41<beerfrog>this is the 5th time ive hit the power switch
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23:46<macravin>whats the command for listing all of the hardrives attached to my computer (cd /dev/ ls -la creates alist that is too long to use)
23:47<babilen>macravin: mount
23:47<babilen>will list all mounted filesystems...
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23:48<macravin>no, I need all filesystems not just all mounted
23:48<babilen>macravin: disregard that. not at all what you want
23:48<babilen>macravin: fdisk -l ?
23:49<macravin>sry, i'm in the recovery shell, so im really limited when it comes to commands
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23:51<jrabbit>you shouldn't be
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23:51<jrabbit>chroot in?
23:51<macravin>I booted the net install off of a usb, and I need to load installer components off the cd... but there is no cd and...
23:51<beerfrog_>still getting lockups
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23:55<faheem>macravin: perhaps you can fill in a bit what the issue is exactly?
23:56<faheem>i mean, the big picture
23:56<faheem>you are trying to do an install?
23:56<macravin>ok, i'm using the netinstaller on a netbook, I cant use unetbootin, I need to use the netinstall
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23:57<macravin>It tries to load the files from the cd, the only overide is in expert mode
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23:58<macravin>sadly, when it asks me where the files are, I don't know, because I don't know where the root is mounted /dev/hda1 doesn't exist
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23:58<macravin>So I need to find where my root fs is mounted
23:58<faheem>macravin: netinstallers normally use the net
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23:58<faheem>are you trying to get installer components over the net?
23:58<faheem>if not, why not use a cd?
23:59<macravin>its a netbook, thats why :(
23:59<macravin>no cd drive
23:59<faheem>does your nebook not have a cd drive?
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23:59<faheem>macravin: ok
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23:59<faheem>macravin: usb key then. you can't do a full install from that?
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