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00:00<faheem>i assume your netinstaller is a usb key anyway
00:01<macravin>yes, it is, but that won't help! I need to load the files OFF OF THE USB not the internet, I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE INTERNET PART YET!
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00:02<macravin>I just need the terminal command to list all of the drives that are connected to the computer and what their /dev/******* is
00:03<faheem>macravin: i see. ok. calm down
00:04<faheem>i've never used a usb installer, but it can't be that hard
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00:04<macravin>I'm very calm, I just capitalized the important parts of the statement so that you would see those first
00:04<faheem>strange. the installer can boot from the usb stick but doesn't know where the installer files are?
00:05<faheem>are the necessary installer files in fact on the usb stick?
00:06<faheem>or do you not know?
00:06<macravin>it's a step whenever you use expert install to locate the files on the cd, because there is no cd, the standard /dev/hda doesn't work
00:06<macravin>Yes, I checked in my windows partition
00:06<faheem>macravin: excuse me if it this is a dumb question, but what cd? i thought you were using a usb stick with no cd drive
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00:07<jabel>hi from puerto rico
00:08<macravin>Exactly, but the image thinks that it IS in fact a cd, which is the problem, when I tell it that it is in fact not a CD but rather a USB flashdrive, it gets mad at me and wont load the files :(
00:09<faheem>macravin: weird. to summarize. the files you need are on the USB stick, but the installer is trying to get them off a non-existent cd, and you want to point it to the usb stick, but you don't know where the stick is mounted?
00:10<macravin>exactly, and I just need a terminal command to list where everything is mounted
00:10<faheem>macravin: df would tell you that
00:10<sney>mount would, as well
00:11<faheem>still, i don't understand why this is happening. possibly a bug
00:11<macravin>it just says mounted on:
00:11<macravin>with a blank space after it
00:12<macravin>nvm, it says mounted on /dev
00:12<faheem>macravin: /dev/something usually
00:12<macravin>I know but it's just /dev
00:12<faheem>no, that's the device. you want the mount point
00:13<faheem>it has no mount point listed?
00:13<macravin>It says "Mounted on /dev"
00:13<faheem>macravin: pastebin the output of mount and/or df
00:14<macravin>I cant copy/paste... but the output consists of like 8 words
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00:15<faheem>macravin: right, sorry. forgot you are in a installer
00:16<macravin>filesystem: fs 1k-blocks: 453144 Used: 628 Available: 452516 Use%: 0% Mounted On: /dev
00:16<faheem>macravin: what is this the output of?
00:17<macravin>mount just says that the root filesystem is / and that there is a drive in /dev
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00:20<faheem>macravin: all very strange
00:21<faheem>what arch is netbook? i386/amd64 or something else?
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00:23<faheem>macravin: one suggestion. use a live cd to tell you what point the usb stick is using
00:23<faheem>mount point, sorry
00:24<faheem>i think some versions of the debian installer can actually be used as a live cd
00:28<macravin>ok, ill try to solve this in the morning
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00:48<rjm>can I redirect apt to install packages in an arbitrary location?
00:48<faheem>rjm: no. why would you want to?
00:49<rjm>I want to install packages to an initramfs
00:49<faheem>rjm: why?
00:50<rjm>because I have control over exactly what drivers load, and can get to a shell the fastest
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00:50<rjm>this is ideal for me, I'm creating a boot disk that provides ntfs-3g support as quickly as possible
00:51<rjm>in my work place we do virus removals all the time, and have a quick effecient way to start any machine and begin r/w access to an ntfs volume is a huge benefit
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00:52<faheem>rjm: wouldn't you want to customize an existing live disk?
00:52<faheem>there are projects that you can use to do that
00:53<rjm>the existing live disk loads up a squashfs which takes around an extra 10 seconds or so
00:53<rjm>15 seconds compared to 3~4 seconds shell ready is the difference
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00:53<rjm>and I have to hack away to get debian live to do what I want it to do, it's good, just a little too complex for my needs, even when stripped down to the minimal packages
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00:54<rjm>when all I really need is to drop into a shell inside the initramfs, and mount an ntfs-3g partition
00:54<rjm>possible in the 3~4 second range
00:55<rjm>in fact, it's more like 30 seconds for the livecd
00:55<rjm>or 40 seconds, that's getting closer to just being "normal"
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01:14<faheem>rjm: is it really so time critical?
01:14<rjm>of course
01:14<rjm>time is money :)
01:14<rjm>we do a lot of virus removals
01:15<rjm>for example the alternatives are using warez like hirens, which I prefer to not use, and the DOS world doesn't have the superior CLI support that linux does
01:16<rjm>or I could wait up to 3 minutes for Windows PE like Bart's PE or Windows 7 PE to load up
01:16<rjm>those take so damn long though
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01:17<kim_Da_Nite>Suse problem, white screen after using desktop specials cause my system does´nt support it aparently, the problem is that i am running suse on vmware in ubuntu, therefor i cant use ctrl-alt-f1 at login screen cause it will boot to ubuntu, not suse, and if i log in, the screen goes white..!
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01:45<andr0z>hi all
01:45<andr0z>how can i find out what the latest kernel for my install is?
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01:45<Chubbz>Anyone feel liek helping me troubleshoot an issue with httpd?
01:45<Chubbz>I'm having trouble getting httpd to make my browser prompt for authentication. THe page just goes straight to a 403 error. No prompt whatsoever. I think I have my virtualhost setup correctly and I think I have all the appropriate modules loaded.
01:45<faheem>andr0z: can be be more explicit?
01:46<faheem>Chubbz: did you set up ssl?
01:46<faheem>Chubbz: i take it you are setting up a web server?
01:47<Chubbz>that might have been installed, im not too sure, I didn't explicitly install it
01:47<andr0z>i have just installed debian on a powerbook g4, im trying to get wpa to work and i need to update the kernel to version 2.6.30 or later, but i dont know if it is available for powerbook
01:48<dondelelcaro>andr0z: it is
01:48<faheem>andr0z: i see.
01:48<Chubbz>andr0z: you should be able to search by architecture and distribution
01:48<faheem>andr0z: you installed debian lenny?
01:48<dondelelcaro>andr0z: but you don't need 2.6.30 for wpa; 2.6.26 should work, depending on what wireless card you have, anyway
01:48<faheem>andr0z: ok, then you want lenny backports
01:48<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
01:49<faheem>if you add that to your sources, then do a search for 2.6.30
01:49<Chubbz>faheem: any ideas on my problem?
01:50<andr0z>thanks ill give it a try
01:50<faheem>Chubbz: not sure what you are trying to do
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01:50<faheem>are you trying to set up a web server?
01:50<Chubbz>I'm trying to implement http digest authentication
01:51<faheem>andr0z: as dondelelcaro says, it may not be necessary to upgrade
01:51<faheem>Chubbz: i'd suggest a more specialised forum. perhaps #httpd on freenode?
01:51<Chubbz>its dead jim
01:52<faheem>oh, i see you tried it already
01:52<faheem>tried the apache lists (assuming you are using apache)?
01:53<Chubbz>I've been trying my google-fu all day, and had no such luck. I didn't think about looking at the lists directly.
01:53<faheem>Chubbz: you could try #httpd later. right now not the best time. Europe asleep, US going to sleep - or out on the town
01:53<faheem>Chubbz: asking the lists i mean
01:53<faheem>Chubbz: the apache logs are no help?
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01:54<Chubbz>faheem: not really
01:57<groulder>on basically a home installation of debian 5.0
01:57<groulder>is it fairly safe to upgrade to testing (squeeze)
01:57<Chubbz>groulder: yeah
01:57<groulder>so testing is fairly stable
01:57<Chubbz>groulder: hell, i'd go all the way to sid
01:58<Chubbz>groulder: I've never had a stability issue with sid
01:58<groulder>well, i do use it for my personal domain and vpn server.
01:58<Chubbz>groulder: then stay stable for the security upgrades
01:58<groulder>i thought testing got security updates too?
01:59<andr0z>faheem: i am following directions as stated here
01:59<Chubbz>groulder: nope,
01:59<Chubbz>well, its not timely
02:00<andr0z>faheem: i am sorry, i meant here
02:01<faheem>groulder: personally i'd stay with lenny
02:01<faheem>any specific reason you want testing?
02:02<groulder>far newer version of openvpn
02:02<faheem>groulder: backportable?
02:02<groulder>nope. checked.
02:02<groulder>i checked atleast
02:02<groulder>is there any other?
02:03<faheem>Chubbz: yes, i see. "For WPA support, a 2.6.28 (or later) kernel is required."
02:03<faheem>groulder: you could try backporting it yourself
02:03<Chubbz>@faheem: wrong user
02:04<groulder>ok i guess i'll stick with lenny and see how this ver of openvpn goes.
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02:05<groulder>another question
02:05<groulder>i like to tail my auth.log and grep for 'ssh'
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02:05<faheem>groulder: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), libssl-dev (>> 0.9.8g-9), liblzo2-dev, libpam0g-dev, quilt, libpkcs11-helper1-dev
02:05<groulder>but every week or so it rotates and i get nothing
02:05<faheem>very backportable, i'd say
02:06<faheem>but is 2.1~rc20-3 really much more recent than 2.1~rc11-1?
02:06<groulder>well..that's not even the newest version
02:06<groulder>2.1 rc21 was released the other day
02:06<groulder>i intend to use the rc21 windows client.
02:06<groulder>so i'm sure it'll work with rc11
02:06<faheem>groulder: anyway, yes, i think you can backport it.
02:07<faheem>assuming the build dependencies are correct, that is
02:07<groulder>faheem, can you help me with my other question?
02:07<faheem>groulder: not sure i follow the question
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02:07<groulder>i typically run something like this
02:08<groulder>tail -f /var/log/auth.log| grep ssh
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02:08<groulder>so i can see all the attempts to brute force my sshd
02:08<groulder>but every few days or once a week
02:08<groulder>it suddenly stops
02:08<groulder>and i need to isue the command again
02:08<groulder>any ideas why it's doing that
02:08<groulder>i assumed it had something to do with log rotation
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02:09<faheem>groulder: well, yes, the old log is gzipped and a new one created
02:09<faheem>groulder: suggest you use a tool like a log scanner.
02:09<groulder>what would you suggest?
02:10<faheem>groulder: dunno. no experience with that. other people here probably do
02:10<groulder>hmm ok
02:10<faheem>hmm, is this a log scanner or a log parser?
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02:11<faheem>groulder: also, if you are worried about ssh attacks, there are a bunch of things you can do to protect yourself against them
02:12<faheem>the most obvious being, if an IP is hitting too much, cut it off
02:12<faheem>lots of docs on the web about such stuff
02:13<dondelelcaro>just install fail2ban
02:13<faheem>dondelelcaro: nice. not heard of this one before
02:14<faheem>this is automated?
02:14<dondelelcaro>faheem: yes
02:14<faheem>dondelelcaro: thanks
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02:20<vishnu>hi all , yestreday i have installed debian lenny 5.0 through guided installation seperate folders for /var, usr. etc. i did not rebooted the system asftewr installation. instead i have installed k3b and it uninstalled gnome completely.
02:21<vishnu>is it worth to report the above issue as a bug. if i have to report as a bug, ewhich logs should i be looking at. i dont have internet @ my home. please advise.
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02:22<Chubbz>vishnu: so reinstall gnome... problem solved
02:23<vishnu>i have reinstaled gnome. is it worth to report the above issue as a bug.
02:23<Chubbz>vishnu: no. You didn't reboot after install.
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02:24<Chubbz>groulder: you could just remap your ssh port to another port besides 22
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02:30<Fantom>how can i enable or unmute (or up the level) of iec958, i don't have a sound from my s/pdif ?
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02:32<cahoot>Id suggest alsamixer
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02:33<Fantom>and then?
02:34<Fantom>cahoot: and then what in alsamixer?
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02:35<cahoot>no analog/digital switsh there?
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02:35<Fantom>no iec958
02:35<Fantom>but spdif is there but nothing...
02:35<Fantom>is it on 100% and is not mutted
02:35<andr0z>faheem: how would i go about seaching for the newest kernel in apt ?
02:35<Fantom>i have latest alsa installed
02:38<gsimmons>andr0z: The instructions in provide you with a procedure for installing a backported kernel image package from 2.6.30 is available for powerpc.
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02:39<Fantom>gsimmons: blackports is a official update server?
02:40<andr0z>gsimmos: thanks, i wanted to double check, i thought the command at the site may be just be an example
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02:54<cassetout>Hi ppl, is there any estimate when will there be a Debian 5.0.4 Lenny release?
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03:03<user1>hi at all... on my X terminal, I can't use Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch in console-terminals... whats could be wrong?
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03:12<Fantom>vhow can i compile new kernel?
03:12<cassetout>user1, wrong keyboard selected in xorg-xserver maybe. check your xorg.conf or run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
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03:13<user1>thanks... my xorg.conf seems be empty
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03:14<cassetout>user1, u could run "dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver", select a keyboard and restart X.
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03:15<user1>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not fix... in fact my keybord works fine (but swiching in console)
03:15<cassetout>did you restarted X?
03:16<faheem>andr0z: apt-cache search 2.6.30
03:16<user1>I have already tryed reconfigure xserver-xorg some time ago...
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03:17<Fantom>i want to install the kernel from i have debian lenny 5.0.3 ?
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03:17<faheem>Fantom: why?
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03:17<Fantom>faheem: i want 2.6.31
03:17<cassetout>user1, maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
03:18<Fantom>just final kernel
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03:19<faheem>Fantom: you could use kernel-package
03:19<user1>already tried too...
03:19<Fantom>faheem how
03:19<faheem>and use linux-source-2.6.31
03:19<user1>from console I can use Alt-Fx nicely
03:19<Fantom>faheem how
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03:19<faheem>Fantom: there are howtos. check the kernel-package documentation
03:19<user1>probably is xorg.conf... but my xorg.xonf is *empty*!!!!
03:20<Fantom>faheem i cant find it
03:20<faheem>user1: did you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
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03:21<user1>phigh? no... I'll look at this now, thanks
03:22<Fantom>how can i enable my spdif i don't have a sound from spdif i have last alsa ans x-fi ?
03:22<m3onh0x84>222 , can I ask this question ?
03:23<m3onh0x84>how to dualboot unetbootin with grub in debian 5 ?
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03:24<user1>no way... using phigh I have no menus at all... and reconfigure exit with no interaction
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03:34<craigevil>user1: In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
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03:39<viking3082000>wow, this linux stuff can be a blast. reminds me of my Apple IIe days
03:39<viking3082000>anyone know where to get games for linux on the web?
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03:45<craigevil>viking3082000: , would be good places to start looking
03:46<Fantom>how can i enable my spdif i don't have a sound from spdif i have last alsa and x-fi ?
03:46<Fantom>debian lenny 5.0.3
03:47<craigevil>!tell Fantom about xfi
03:47<Fantom>i know what is xfi
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04:11<user1>thanks craigevil... good trick
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04:21<tarzeau>is there anyone from tyrol/austria in here?
04:22<weasel>depends on what for.
04:22<tarzeau>i'm looking for a place to stay near ischgl last thursday-sunday this month
04:22<weasel>ah. can't help you there, sorry
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04:23<weasel>(while I'm originally from tyrol I currently don't live there. get there to visit every so often tho)
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04:23<tarzeau>ok that's fine. looks like i can't find anything in advance, so i got to find something there
04:23<weasel>find that hard to believe
04:24<tarzeau>you mean it's hard to find something?
04:24<tarzeau>i got a car and a tent, so there's always the last solution
04:24<tarzeau>i'm there anyways, but the tourism office and wasn't very helpful finding something so far
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04:25<tarzeau>neither was
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05:11<linulin>(newebie irssi user question) - is there a way to make irssi add separator between already viewed and new messages when switching irssi tabs back and forth? Have not found (or missed) the answer in irssi FAQ, tips, and basic docs.
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05:14<jeromeg>linulin: there is a script for that
05:15<jeromeg>I think it's called
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05:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:38<tux_boy>hi what switch helps to search with apt-get? search??
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05:38<jeromeg>tux_boy: apt-cache search
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05:40<tux_boy>jeromeg, thanks. I was thinking differently about it. thx.
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05:44<MNZ>How do I set the maximum numbre of open files for the www-data user?
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06:02<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:39<kim_Da_Nite>Suse problem, white screen after using desktop specials cause my system does´nt support it aparently, the problem is that i am running suse on vmware in ubuntu, therefor i cant use ctrl-alt-f1 at login screen cause it will boot to ubuntu, not suse, and if i log in, the screen goes white..!
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06:40<Xenguy>kim_Da_Nite: this is a debian support channel; maybe try #suse (if there is one) or ##linux ?
06:41<Latino>hi, I have a local repo and it creates a Packages.bz2. All my installs have no problems with that, but in a chroot install, it complains it can't find Packages.gz. How can I change it to look for .bz2 and not .gz in the chroot? thx
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07:10<peej>when I have a "fails to build from source" bug, eg: #531228 - libcatalyst-perl: missing dependency causes libcatalyst-model-cdbi-perl to FTBFS (Fixed: libcatalyst-perl/5.80004-2) does that mean the 1. perl source the end user creates isn't building or 2. the deb src file doesn't generate the deb package or 3. something else (what?)
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08:11<valdyn>peej: it means that one build-depend: <packagename> is missing in the source package
08:11<valdyn>peej: not a big deal since you can "aptitude install" that package
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08:13<valdyn>peej: but tahts only required when you want to build that package
08:13<valdyn>linulin: there is something like that
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08:18<kie27>greets all, am running debian testing, when I run dvips it gives me the error "Problems with file writing; probably disk full", file generated ls -lh "2.0GB", df -h "14GB", ulimit -f "unlimited", uname -a 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP i686, anyone have a clue why it is stopping at 2.0GB please.
08:18<abrotman>df -i ?
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08:20<abrotman>is it a vfat filesystem ?
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08:23<kie27>abrotman: it is ext3, i have added mount output to pastebin
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08:26<valdyn>kie27: youre hitting the 5% reserved blocks?
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08:28<valdyn>2 GB is funny as its a typical (old) filesize limit
08:28<valdyn>kie27: maybe dvips cant deal with large files
08:29<kie27>valdyn: aha, maybe i can fix this with tune2fs? i hope that the problem is not with dvips :(
08:29<valdyn>kie27: no
08:30<abrotman>how do you know the problem isn't with dvips ?
08:30<valdyn>kie27: run this command as the same user, not root "dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=3000
08:30<valdyn>kie27: after that check the filesize
08:30<valdyn>kie27: im sure it will be ok, ext3 has no filesize limit like that
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08:31<valdyn>some acient ext2 version might have had it
08:31<valdyn>and vfat probably has it ( if not then its at 4G )
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08:32<valdyn>kie27: which program is actually "writing" to the disk though? dvips cant be that, i would think
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08:32<x2y2>hi all, my totem player can't play a mpeg file ,what packages should i install ?
08:33<valdyn>kie27: it just operates on stdin / stdout, or so i thought
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08:33<valdyn>x2y2: does mplayer play it
08:33<babilen>x2y2: or vlc, xine? But to answer your questions: Have a loog at the gstreamer packages.
08:34<valdyn>unfortunately totem is still junk
08:34<kie27>valdyn: 3145728000 bytes (3.1 GB) copied, 191.133 s, 16.5 MB/s
08:35<x2y2>ok ,thanks my friends . i will try install this packages
08:35<valdyn>Latino: you need to install bzip2 anyway
08:37<kie27>valdyn: using dvips in a fairly simple way (as the first step in generating a book), dvips -t landscape mybook.dvi -o
08:37<valdyn>kie27: ok, so dvips is tryint to write, let me check the manpage..
08:37<kie27>valdyn: but it fails in the same way at 2gb without the -t landscape
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08:38<valdyn>kie27: try "dvips -t landscape -f < mybook.dvi >"
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08:40<kie27>valdyn: i will try that now (it takes a long time though, i will let you know as soon as it completes)
08:40<valdyn>kie27: in 2004 dvips large file support was not existant, i doubt its now
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08:41<valdyn>kie27: is this on debian btw?
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08:41<kie27>valdyn: debian testing
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08:46<valdyn>funny, nothing in debian bts
08:46<themill>kie27: can you use pdflatex instead of going via dvi?
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08:46<valdyn>guess writing >2G files with dvips and -o is still rare or non-existant
08:46<valdyn>themill: would that change anything?
08:47<valdyn>or maybe it would because pdflatex uses pipes instead of -o
08:47<kie27>themill: although dvipdf works, i need to use dvips in order to complete a number of steps to get it into booklet format for printing, dvips, then psbook, then pstops before finally pstopdf.
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08:48<themill>kie27: things like psbook have pdf equivalents, btw (pdfnup etc). But sounds like that might not help.
08:48<themill>valdyn: not sure... sort of a stab in the dark!
08:49<valdyn>mail i was reading talked about all those tex tools not having large file support in 2004
08:49<themill>(although pdflatex tends to be more modern than latex=>ps stuff, and the pdf will be smaller too so might not hit the 2GB limit)
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08:49<valdyn>if i was kie27 i would have split up that document into multiple files long ago and never hit that limit
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08:50<MyWifeIs19>what's the role of npviewer.bin? why is it use a cpu %100???
08:50<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: thats your flash
08:51<kie27>valdyn: it's a book that I have written/am writing, if I split it into seperate documents then, I will have a problem with page numbering, references etc.
08:51<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: because the adobe people working on flash are idiots for linux
08:51<kk>will it help if we access flash through wine??
08:51<valdyn>kie27: probably
08:51<valdyn>kie27: wine is slow by itself though so uh
08:51<kie27>valdyn: am using latex.
08:52<MyWifeIs19>valdyn, the flash player that came with lenny, didn't work at all...
08:52<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: lenny ships a free flash player by default
08:52<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: that one is near useless too
08:52<MyWifeIs19>valdyn, yes, I tried it.... but it did not work
08:53<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: you will need to stick do adobe flash
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08:53<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: but if its only flash movies you can play those with mplayer too
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08:54<valdyn>MyWifeIs19: what are we talking about ? youtube?
08:54<MyWifeIs19>valdyn, yes, if I need it badly, I download it then play it through mplayer.... but...
08:54<kie27>valdyn: awesome, I get a 4.4GB ps file :) hopefully I will be able to use the same technique for the other commands too. thanks very much valdyn and abrotman and themill.
08:55<abrotman>MyWifeIs19: do yo know which flash you're using>?
08:55<themill>kie27: that's pretty huge... if you can go the pdf route, I bet you'll have a much smaller file.
08:57<kie27>themill: I actually finish with a pdf, that's just an intermediate step before page reordering and conversion to greyscale and generation of a pdf file.
08:57<MyWifeIs19>if I have iceweasel opened long enough, it will do this: I try to open a web page... it will load about %90... then will stall for about 2 minutes... I get annoyed so I kill -9 iceweasel... then npviewer.bin pop open on screen
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08:57<themill>kie27: I think you'll find that all of the tools you need for page reordering, conversion to greyscale etc are also available for a pdf workflow.
08:58<kie27>themill: if there was an easy one step to pdf I would do it, but I want to print 4 pages per A4 for the book in the right order, which requires this messing about.
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08:58<kie27>themill: i will certainly look into it now, upto now I never had this problem.
08:59<MyWifeIs19>abrotman, I am sure I am using Adobe version of flash player
08:59<abrotman>how sure?
08:59<kie27>themill: too many high large eps files!
08:59<themill>kie27: yes... and they are uncompressed in your PS file but could be compressed in a pdf.
09:00<MyWifeIs19>abrotman, very sure, b/c I download it and installed it myself.... the "built-in" one for the lenny does not work at all
09:00*abrotman would check with about:plugins
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09:04<grummund>hmm, i know how to get the day/month of today using 'date, but how can i get the day/month of yesterday?
09:04<MyWifeIs19>abrotman, I see "File name:" then next line "Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32"
09:05<themill>grummund: date -d "yesterday"
09:05<grummund>themill: thanks!
09:06<grummund>that was easy... :P (but not mentioned in the man page)
09:06<themill>grummund: yes it is!
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09:07<grummund>not in sarge :P
09:07<grummund>(yes, i should uprade)
09:08<grummund>thanks anyway...
09:09<MyWifeIs19>ok on adobe page it says 64bit flash player is an "alpha refresh"
09:12<kie27>themill: it seems that i need to find a pdf solution since I get "psbook: I/O error seeking page 73" when I do "psbook -s76 < >"
09:12<kie27>themill: without > I get the error "psbook: can't open input file"
09:13<themill>kie27: :( pdftk can do the psbook bit for you, but I think you need to give it a list of page numbers manually (write a script!). Or you can try: pdf2ps myfile.pdf - | psbook | psnup -s1 -2 | ps2pdf - myfile_booklet.pdf
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09:16<kie27>themill: thanks I will try the pdftk solution first...
09:16<themill>kie27: good luck!
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09:17<runev>Anyone with a reasonable explanation of why my wlan0 shows up as bit rate=1M, with max transfer speeds of ~60 kb/sec after i set it up using wpa_supplicant? I even tried adding pre-up iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M with no result. Sucks to only be able to utilize 60 kb/sec of what should be 7-8 mb/sec.
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09:22<kie27>themill: ah, pdftk needs works on pdf files so need I can't start with that anyway. Looks like I need to try the pdf workflow...
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09:23<themill>kie27: you could ps2pdf your current ps file (but using pdflatex directly usually gives better results... but pdflatex can't use eps files for figures.)
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09:24<kie27>themill: what do you think would be the best format to keep all the images in?
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09:25<spongebob>I can't copy certain videos from a DVD from an SMB share from Vista... is this DRM?
09:26<themill>kie27: if I'm using "latex" I use eps files, if I'm using "pdflatex" then I use png or pdf. (I normally don't have any images that I'd want to have in jpg format but you can do that too with pdflatex). There are tools like "rubber" that help automate conversion between formats as needed.
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09:29<spongebob>or maybe it doesn't like big files....
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09:30<kie27>themill: ps2pdf also throws an error,
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09:33<themill>kie27: ouch. This isn't going to be fun.
09:33<kie27>themill: it isn't :(
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09:41<kie27>themill: although dvipdf works, I don't have the -t landscape option, which I need as one of the steps to get it into a booklet format.
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09:45<kie27>themill: I am wondering if my best bet is going to be to try to reduce the size of the eps files, to try to get the ps file below 2GB, it's a less than ideal solution.
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09:47<vvas>kie27: convert the .eps files to .pdf using the epstopdf program from texlive-extra-utils, then use pdflatex throughout
09:47<kie27>themill: would it be a lot of work to get ps2ps and psbook to cope with files > 2GB? Do you think I could find a developer that would interested in a bit of paid work to do this?
09:48<vvas>i have found this to be easier and better than any other workflow
09:48<kie27>vvas: thanks, I will try it.
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09:48<themill>kie27: it's likely to be a nightmare to do that. I'd try what vvas said.
09:48<valdyn>kie27: dont all these programs support working on pipes to circumvent the filesize limit?
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09:50<valdyn>kie27: you can split all those files on work on parts
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09:50<valdyn>kie27: no matter if pdf or ps
09:51<kie27>valdyn: dvips supports it, but psbook fails, unless I have the command wrong
09:52<valdyn>kie27: nah, cant work since its seeking
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09:55<valdyn>if they use long instead of int it might work on 64-bit though
09:55<valdyn>i doubt that though
09:55<mjt>is there a way to change status of a bug (reopen) *and* add some comments?
09:56<mjt>something like nnn-reopen@b.d.o works? :)
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09:58<mjt>i was reading
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09:58<vvas>mjt: the general idea is that you send the email to the bug address, cc'ing control@b.d.o; at the top you have the bug commands (in this case reopen), the final of which being quit/stop/thanks
09:59<mjt>reopen nnn it should be, right?
09:59<Fantom>for modules like sound blaster x-fi module in kernel to run the x-fi, i need modules_image to create a package or no ?
09:59<mjt>so that control@ will know which bug to reopen
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09:59<Fantom>is that true
09:59<vvas>mjt: yes
10:01<Fantom>who can tell me?
10:02<vvas>Fantom: err, is it a module that's included in the kernel sources or not?
10:02<azeem>Fantom: don't ask in both channels at the same time, please
10:02<Fantom>azeem: that is my job
10:02<Fantom>vvas: yes
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10:02<azeem>asking in both channels at the same time?
10:02<azeem>Fantom: then it is my job to keep you from doing it
10:03<Fantom>irc is free
10:03<vvas>Fantom: then it should be already included in the linux kernel binary packages
10:03<Fantom>internet is free
10:03<azeem>channels have policies
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10:03<Fantom>questions must be free
10:03<Fantom>talks chats
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10:03<Fantom>everywhere whenever
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10:04<themill>Fantom: please understand that people will actually go off and do work for you when you ask questions -- asking in multiple places at the same time is thus wasting people's time and is rude.
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10:04<vvas>(what's the other channel?)
10:04<themill>vvas: #debian on freenode
10:04<azeem>#debian on freenode
10:04<dpkg>luke: VATTENE VIA
10:05<Fantom>vvas: yes is included but is works only with kernel_image or i need modules_image
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10:10<vvas>Fantom: keep it in the channel
10:10<Fantom>tell me
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10:11<mgoetze>hi, i just installed a new squeeze system, and it's using the vesa xorg driver, though the chipset should be supported by radeonhd. how do i get it to use radeonhd? (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do anything nowadays :( )
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10:12<vvas>mgoetze: the obvious question would be, is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd installed?
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10:12<mgoetze>vvas: it is
10:13<azeem>mgoetze: maybe check the X server log for hints
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10:14<mgoetze>azeem: it says "using default built-in configuration", which contains devices with the ati, vesa and fbdev drivers
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10:15<mgoetze>i could, of course, write an xorg.conf specifying that radeonhd should be used. but i thought that's not supposed to be done anymore...
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10:16<azeem>mgoetze: well, in order to override auto-configuration it might be needed AIUI
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10:16<vvas>mgoetze: you could certainly try (just the Device section), and see what happens
10:17<vvas>it should be no more than 4 lines
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10:17<mettao87>Hi guys, I still have problems with usb automount.. It doesn't function. So any time I need to check the /dev/..... and change the fstab line. I use lenny, with gnome. Can you help me?
10:17<nullsign>samba question; i have an environment where winbind is used so users hit linux boxes using active directory logins, their userids are not stored locally, how can you make it so they can change their AD password from the linux host? passwd fails because pam.d wants to find their userid in the passwd file (and it's not there of course) .. any thoughts?
10:17<vvas>Section "Device" / Identifier "blah" / Driver "radeonhd" / EndSection
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10:18<mgoetze>well, that works. but i consider it a pretty serious regression vs. lenny that handwriting an xorg.conf is necessary now...
10:19<azeem>so it uses radeonhd now?
10:19<azeem>or do you mean "that works in theory"
10:20<mgoetze>well i have a higher resolution than 800x600 now... let me check the Xorg.log
10:20<mgoetze>yes, it is using radeonhd
10:20<vvas>nullsign: you'd probably have to find a PAM module that goes through active directory
10:20<nullsign>vvas: i have one.
10:20<nullsign>pam auth works fine
10:20<azeem>mgoetze: ok, then maybe file a bug on X to get this fixed
10:20<nullsign>it's the passwd change that does not.
10:20<azeem>mgoetze: otherwise, please consider that squeeze has not been released yet
10:20<vvas>mgoetze: then you probably need to file a bug report with about this. make sure to include your PCI id
10:21<mgoetze>azeem: xserver-xorg, or the radeonhd driver package?
10:21<nullsign>passwd trys to find the user in the local passwd/shadow etc, and it's not there, so it fails.
10:21<azeem>I agree that an easier way to override auto-detection should be put in place
10:21<mgoetze>azeem: sure, i don't mind :)
10:21<azeem>mgoetze: good question, the former I guess
10:21<vvas>mgoetze: i'd go for an upstream bug report, not one on the debian package
10:22<vvas>nullsign: well, have you set up /etc/pam.d/passwd to use it?
10:22<nullsign>vvas: yes -
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10:23<nullsign>password requisite try_first_pass retry=3
10:23<nullsign>password sufficient md5 shadow nullok try_first_pass use_authtok
10:23<nullsign>password sufficient use_first_pass
10:23<nullsign>password required
10:23<nullsign>like i said, authentication works fine, but users can't change their AD password from the linux host using passwd
10:24<nullsign>it goes to look at the local passwd file first, sees the user is not there, and dies.
10:24<vvas>does it make any difference if you put pam_winbind above pam_unix? (or if you comment out pam_unix for testing?)
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10:25<nullsign>i think i tried the order change once before, it didn't help. i put winbind first, then etc
10:25<nullsign>can try again tho?
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10:26<vvas>why not
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10:27<lancelot_of>hi all
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10:27<lancelot_of>how to recover a file after a power crash / pc reboot on debian?
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10:28<nullsign>still broke
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10:28<vvas>nullsign: then the only thing i can think of is that you need to set up a corresponding nss module too (or tweak something if you already have that)
10:29<vvas>but nss is "there be dragons" territory for me, i don't know anything about it
10:29<nullsign>sigh.. k
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10:30<lancelot_of>please help me if possible
10:30<vvas>lancelot_of: there's no way really
10:31<lancelot_of>vvas, ok, my afternoon work has gone in the wc, thanks anyway
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10:34<macravin>ok, I need to find what /dev/*** is mounted on / how can I do this without a gui
10:35<macravin>when I type in mount it just says that rootfs is mounted on /
10:35<vvas>lancelot_of: i'm sorry to hear
10:35<babilen>lancelot_of: What kind of file do you want to recover? What filesystem were the files on?
10:36<vvas>lancelot_of: a reasonable solution for this kind of problems is to use a text editor (or whatever kind of program you're using for your work) with an autosave feature
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10:37<babilen>lancelot_of: First of all: I would recommend you to *stop using the system immediately*. Then boot a nice live cd (sleuthkit, grml, ...) and make a dd image of the partition in question.
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10:37<babilen>lancelot_of: That will prevent the system from overwriting the data you have to recover and gives you access to the exact contents of that partition.
10:37<vvas>lancelot_of: another is to use a filesystem that can take snapshots every few minutes, and can do so efficiently. though linux doesn't have one yet that's production-quality
10:38<lancelot_of>babilen, i've no time for these, anyway thanks for help...i'm going to reply my previous work ( data analysis and graphs using own software plus qtiplot)
10:38<vvas>lancelot_of: yet another one is to buy a UPS
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10:39<babilen>lancelot_of: If you think so. I'll stop giving advice then. But why ask if you don't plan to spend time on that anyway?
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10:40<vvas>babilen: because there could be a quick way to do it
10:40<babilen>vvas: right :-)
10:40<lancelot_of>vvas, you take off words from my hands.. :)
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10:41<babilen>lancelot_of: I apologise!
10:41<macravin>does anyone have any ideas as to how to install debian on a netbook, unetbootin isn't working, and neither is the standard installer!
10:41<vvas>i guess there will be, once nilfs2 or btrfs are production-ready
10:41<vvas>you can then setup your filesystem to take a snapshot every ten minutes or something
10:41*babilen can't wait until btrfs is production ready! great times ahead!
10:41<vvas>but we're not there yet :^)
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10:44<linulin>taking snapshots won't help for software that keeps all modifications in memory
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10:59<egamonal>hi, can anyone help me to get the java documentation in netbeans?
10:59<egamonal>I can't find a package
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11:27<friendmaster>Who know when in debian update netbeans to version 6.7?
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11:28<rufensis>I just installed squeeze running the 2.6.30 kernel on an Acer extensa 4420. The touchpad worked in lenny, but now the double-click function on the pad has stopped working. Can anyone help?
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11:47<macravin>YES!!! I finally got a working usb installer!
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11:49<vvas>macravin: how?
11:50<babilen>macravin: What kind of netbook do you have?
11:50<macravin>dpkg told me how!
11:50<dpkg>no idea, macravin
11:50<vvas>macravin: i'll rephrase: what were you doing wrong before?
11:52<macravin>oh, I was using the cd image on a usb drive, and then it tried to load the files off of the cd, but there was none, when I told the usb that it was a usb drive instead of the cd that it thought it was, it threw a temper tantrum and said that It wouldn't install!
11:53<babilen>macravin: Which netbook do you have?
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11:54<Fred9>What's rpmstrap's name in lenny?
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11:56<cahoot>What's rpmstrap?
11:56<babilen>rufensis: (especially the TapButtonN options)
11:57<Fred9>i used rpmstrap in etch but this packages doesn't exist in lenny
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11:57<macravin>but it is not a problem anymore, so there is no need to waste anyones time
11:58<babilen>Fred9: What does it do?
11:58<babilen>macravin: Is it an eeepc?
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11:59<Fred9>babilen> rpmstrap is a tool for bootstrapping a basic RPM-based system
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12:02<vvas>Fred9: then the equivalent you're looking for is probably debootstrap
12:02<nomad_cz>Hi. Is it possible to pause booting of Debian so it waits for while and then continues ? I need a few sec to initialize SAN disks so they are accessible when mounting FS
12:03<abrotman>vvas: he's trying to setup an RPM-capable debian system
12:03<abrotman>nomad_cz: just create a sript that sleeps for 30 seconds or whatever
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12:04<Fred9>vvas> i want to install suse in lenny with rpmstrap but this packages doesn't exist
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12:04<abrotman>Fred9: what packages do you want from suse that debian doesn't have ?
12:04<rufensis>babilen: I saw this yesterday, and when I tried the first step ("aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics") my system started dumping files and configurations left and right until I was taken to a basic terminal and my desktop environment was gone. I have no idea why this happens, since I'm still rather new to debian, but it's happened before with apt install commands.
12:04<vvas>Fred9: then your question is suse-related, not debian-related
12:05<nomad_cz>abrotman: did not work. I did put in rc2.d custom script but only this one was stopped and other services kept starting
12:05<abrotman>vvas: he's asking how to create the RPM stuff on Debian .. it's a debian problem
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12:05<vvas>nomad_cz: hm, there's a kernel parameter for that i think
12:05<nomad_cz>vvas: any hint ?
12:06<vvas>abrotman: ok, it's just that since debootstrap does not need dpkg to run, i would imagine that the fedora/suse equivalent would be similar
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12:07<abrotman>vvas: no, you're misunderstanding him .. he's trying to install an RPM on Debian (which is possible) but he needs to have the system create all the RPM database stuff
12:07<abrotman>which is what rpmstrap used to do
12:07<babilen>rufensis: Do you have synaptics installed right now, or did that fail? If it failed please paste the output of "aptitude install ..." somewhere
12:07<vvas>nomad_cz: rootdelay
12:07<vvas>nomad_cz: "Delay (in seconds) to pause before attempting to mount the root filesystem"
12:07<vvas>abrotman: i see
12:08<nomad_cz>vvas: Hmm. Will not help. I do not boot from SAN
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12:08<abrotman>or so i thought
12:08<nomad_cz>vvas: I just need to pause rc2.d scripts for while
12:09<abrotman>though he's gone now anyways
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12:09<rufensis>babilen: I have "xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ver 1.1.2-1" listed in the package manager.
12:09<vvas>nomad_cz: surely filesystems are mounted at the rcS.d stage?
12:10<babilen>rufensis: Is it installed?
12:10<rufensis>babilen: I messed around with the xorg config file, too, to no avail. Synaptics is installed with the latest version.
12:11<babilen>rufensis: Which Debian release are you running?
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12:12<rufensis>babilen: squeeze with the 2.6.30 bpo.1-amd64 kernel
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12:13<babilen>rufensis: Ok, then remove everything related to the touchpad in your xorg.conf and create a file /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi with the content:
12:13<nomad_cz>vvas: Yep. But at this time mount will not work for me because mapper devices do not exist yet. I guess I will mount it manually vi tc.local and start NFS server manually as well
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12:14<babilen>rufensis: Also have a look at:
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12:15<rufensis>babilen: thanks. i'll try this
12:15<babilen>rufensis: You will have to restart hal after these changes or you can use synclient to set them manually with eg: "synclient TapButton=1"
12:16<babilen>rufensis: Which might be a good idea if you want to try them first.
12:16*babilen wonders if this hal+synaptics configuration is documented somewhere
12:17<vvas>thinkwiki usually has lots of info
12:18<babilen>vvas: Yes - But I meant here (dpkg) or on the wiki or another place Debian users will first look for that information.
12:18<rufensis>babilen: I'm reading the doc you sent. I am so far out of my depth with this stuff and am trying to figure out what synclient is.
12:19<babilen>rufensis: Ok, i'll walk you through this.
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12:19<rufensis>babilen: thank you
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12:19<babilen>vvas: If there is no such information i might write something on the wiki... Just don't want to waste time if it has been done before.
12:19<rufensis>babilen: shall i go ahead and make that file with the pastebin input you sent?
12:20<babilen>rufensis: Ok, can you paste the output of "synclient -l" somewhere (this will give the configuration in use)
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12:21<babilen>rufensis: Let's first try if these settings get your touchpad to work as expected before we enshrine them in the configuration file.
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12:21<rufensis>babilen: here's the synclient -l
12:22<babilen>rufensis: Ok - Just as i expected. If you would be so kind to run "synclient TapButton1=1" now
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12:24<rufensis>babilen: Eureka! it's clicking on things now.
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12:25<babilen>rufensis: great! To make this change permanent you have to create the file I send you or copy it from /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and adapt that to your needs
12:26<rufensis>babilen: is /etc/hal/ already a directory?
12:26<babilen>rufensis: The configuration I pasted enables tapping and horizontal scrolling by moving your finger on the right side of the touchpad. If you want to scroll using two fingers remove the VertEdgeScroll option
12:26<babilen>rufensis: You have to create that file in: /etc/hal/fdi/policy
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12:27<babilen>rufensis: regarding the scrolling: You don't have to remove if it if you want both to work.
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12:29<vvas>two-finger scrolling is much more convenient than edge scrolling, IMHO
12:29<vvas>but it's a matter of taste i guess
12:30<rufensis>babilen: okay, i'm giving this a shot. do i need to restart x? The policy in hal won't interfere with other xorg features, will it? Right now scrolling down already works, but it will be cool to be able to do horizontal.
12:30<babilen>vvas: Exactly.
12:30<babilen>rufensis: scrolling down != horizontal ??
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12:31<babilen>rufensis: No, it will be enabled the next time you restart X and as you enabled it manually now it won't stop working for this session.
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12:34<tuxcrafter>hi all is ext4 support available in the stable kernel and packages?
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12:34<rufensis>babilen: back in a sec. I'm going to restart x to see if the change sticks.
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12:35<babilen>tuxcrafter: no
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12:35<tuxcrafter>babilen: ok thanks then i will use ext2
12:35<tuxcrafter>babilen: ok thanks then i will use ext3
12:35<babilen>tuxcrafter: wise decision
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12:38<tuxcrafter>babilen: it is for a compac flash card, i need write support, i use a kingston cf with livetime warranty and wearlevel algaritmes
12:38<tuxcrafter>i hope it will surfive for 5 years
12:38<tuxcrafter>when mounting rw
12:39<babilen>tuxcrafter: Just use ext3
12:39<tuxcrafter>with minimal logfiles and updates
12:39<tuxcrafter>else i have to do all kind of special things to mount as read only and use tmpfs or ramdisks
12:39<vvas>tuxcrafter: best to use ext2 then
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12:39<vvas>tuxcrafter: ext3's journal will just put more strain on the card
12:40<tuxcrafter>vvas: it has to survive powerdowns :D
12:40<babilen>vvas: ack!
12:40<tuxcrafter>it will be a little traidoff
12:40<tuxcrafter>only practise in 5 year will learn who was right D
12:40<vvas>fair enough
12:40<vvas>make sure to use relatime then
12:41<tuxcrafter>vvas: jups that i will do
12:41<vvas>and no swapfile :)
12:41<tuxcrafter>also no swap of cource
12:41<vvas>cool beans
12:41<tuxcrafter>btw i use noatime
12:41<tuxcrafter>it should cover relatime
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12:42<vvas>relatime is a good tradeoff; you still get atime updates, with very few writes
12:42<vvas>in fact it has become the default for kernels >= 2.6.30
12:43<vvas>but ok, if you know you don't need atimes, then of course noatime is even better
12:43<rufensis>babilen: thanks a lot for your help. it worked like a charm. i'm still testing the other functions of the machine to see how they work with squeeze, the new kernel, and xorg. if i have more trouble i'll look for you. Have a good day.
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12:44<babilen>rufensis: Just come into the channel. there are many people in here who know much more about certain things than i do.
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12:44<babilen>rufensis: Great it works. Happy tapping ;-)
12:44<rufensis>babilen: cheers.
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12:55<tuxcrafter>nice grub2 is already in stable :D
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12:57<cb_>Recently upgraded to 9.10 but now am not able to use Synaptic Package Manager
12:57<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:57<dr|z3d>cb_: If you upgraded to 9.10, you're not using Debian!
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12:58<dr|z3d>cb_: "sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic" you may wish to try.
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12:59<abrotman>dr|z3d: go to #ubuntu
12:59<cb_>Thanks will try "sudo aptitude reinstall synaptic
13:00<dr|z3d>abrotman: No. But thanks for the invitation. :)
13:00<abrotman>then don't provide ubuntu support
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13:02<dr|z3d>Just back off, thanks.
13:03<abrotman>dr|z3d: This channel does not provide Ubuntu support.
13:03<dkr>time for a "last word" contest? :)
13:04<dr|z3d>If I wish to provide _generic_ support en passant, after someone's been advised of the best place to go for Ubuntu support, that's my call. No harm done.
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13:07-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
13:07<dkr>but the factoid entry says "support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian." and what is on topic here is not really your call, on the other hand, I think calling you out for a single line answer is a bit over the top. I say we call this one even. :)
13:07-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by abrotman
13:07-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
13:07<abrotman>dr|z3d: this channel does not provide Ubuntu support.
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13:08<dkr>that's one way to win a last word contest
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13:16<vvas>by the way, doesn't anyone ever trim the ban list in this channel? it's huge
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13:16<abrotman>yes, it gets cleaned up once in awhile
13:17-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
13:17-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*] by abrotman
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13:19<vvas>there are even ten-month-old bans in there...
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13:25<mettao87>hi, I have a proble with the usb harddisk. I can't write on it. Mount in terminal shows: /dev/sdc1 on /media/usbstick type ntfs (rw,noexec,nodev,uid=1000,user=mettao87). It is rw, so why I can't write?
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13:26<vvas>what does "ls -ld /media/usbstick" say?
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13:27<dkr>mettao87: use type ntfs-3g instead
13:27<mettao87>vvas: /dev/sdc1 on /media/usbstick type ntfs (rw,noexec,nodev,uid=1000,user=mettao87)
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13:27<dkr>!tell mettao87 about ntfs-3g
13:28<mettao87>dkr: I need to install this package?
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13:29<dkr>I'm pretty sure that is the best option for ntfs write support at the moment
13:29<mettao87>vvas: this is the result: drwx------ 1 mettao87 root 20480 2009-11-01 12:22 /media/usbstick
13:30<wannabe>hello all.
13:30<mettao87>dkr: Has it the automount option?
13:30<cahoot>mettao87: why not follow the advice dkr offered?
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13:31<wannabe>aanyone can tell me where i can find -if exist - the list of woftware will be included for sure in squeeze? im afraid a i will find kde4 into squeeze.
13:31<abrotman>wannabe: there is no sure list, but kde4 will be in squeeze
13:31<wannabe>abrotman, bad news.
13:31<abrotman>complain to kde
13:31<wannabe>ok i will move to lxde then
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13:33<mettao87>dkr: thanks, for now it seems function.
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13:33<mettao87>Bye guys. Thank you
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13:36<gesichtslos>Anyone know of any issues with ip_var.h and udp_var.h missing from lenny?
13:36<gesichtslos>Can't seem to find them and I have all the packages said to include them installed.
13:37<tuxcrafter>so an other debian system has been given live :D i called her alix
13:39<petemc>gesichtslos: libnewlib-dev seems to have that file
13:39<petemc>according to dpkg
13:39<gesichtslos>I think I installed that too let me check.
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13:40<gesichtslos>Yeah I have it installed
13:41<gesichtslos>I'm trying to compile Mike Shiffman's traceroute patch
13:41<gesichtslos>./traceroute.c:213:28: error: netinet/ip_var.h: No such file or directory
13:41<gesichtslos>./traceroute.c:216:29: error: netinet/udp_var.h: No such file or directory
13:41<gesichtslos>./traceroute.c: In function ‘main’:
13:41<gesichtslos>./traceroute.c:591: error: ‘struct udphdr’ has no member named ‘uh_sport’
13:41<gesichtslos>./traceroute.c:592: error: ‘struct udphdr’ has no member named ‘uh_ulen’
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13:42<abrotman>gesichtslos: the include path seems to be wrong
13:43<gesichtslos>/usr/include/netinet/ doesn't contain either of those files
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13:43<gesichtslos>and running 'updatedb' and 'locate ip_var' returns nothing
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13:43<petemc>gesichtslos: dpkg -L libnewlib-dev
13:43<gesichtslos>says it isn't installed
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13:44<gesichtslos>sec I'll go grab it
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13:45<gesichtslos>where is it? I don't think it's in my repos
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13:45<petemc>judd: versions libnewlib-dev
13:45<judd>petemc: libnewlib-dev -- etch: 1.14.0-2 sid: 1.17.0-3 squeeze: 1.17.0-3
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13:45<petemc>no lenny package it seems
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13:48<gesichtslos>So should I install Etch's?
13:49<petemc>i guess, or try and backport the one from squeeze
13:49<petemc>what does the patch to traceroute do?
13:49<gesichtslos>Not sure. I've only switched to Linux about a year ago and Debian like a week ago. I used to use arch.
13:49<gesichtslos>How do I go about doing that?
13:50<petemc>you dont know why you're to patch traceroute?
13:50<gesichtslos>Well I know what a traceroute is but I've never heard the term 'patch traceroute' before :s
13:51<petemc>18:41 < gesichtslos> I'm trying to compile Mike Shiffman's traceroute patch
13:51<gesichtslos>lol nvm
13:51<gesichtslos>brain fart
13:51<gesichtslos>It adds an -S switch
13:51<gesichtslos>to stop port incrementation
13:52<petemc>sounds useful
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13:52<petemc> /msg dpkg ssb for info on how to backport
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13:52<gesichtslos>Thanks :)
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14:03<shiznatix>Hello. I have a very minimum install of debian with gnome but am trying to get one last thing. When I right click on a few folders in Nautilus, I don't see the "create archive" option. How do i get that option?
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14:07<gesichtslos>Shiznatix I'm not entirely sure, but try installing "FileRoller"
14:07<gesichtslos>I think that's the program that adds the feature to Nautilus.
14:08<shiznatix>thanks, that did it
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14:42<andr0z>hello all
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14:44<gesichtslos>hi :)
14:45<andr0z>I'am trying to install adobe flash 10 on iceweasel, i downloaded the adobe tar ball and extracted libflashplayer,so, i moved it to ~/.mozilla/extensions/ , but when i check about:plugins iceweasel is still not using the adobe plugin. Can someone help?
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14:47<gesichtslos>Yeah I think I can help one moment.
14:47<andr0z>thanks :D
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14:48<gesichtslos>There, that should work.
14:49<andr0z>i will give it a try, thanks
14:49<gesichtslos>oh shit wait
14:49<gesichtslos>before you try that
14:49<gesichtslos>I think the goes in mozilla/plugins =P
14:49<gesichtslos>try that first
14:50<gesichtslos>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ is where I put mine.
14:50<abrotman>andr0z: you'd do better to install the package from . .it will correct the altneratives system for you
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14:53<SirRender>whats that mean? Ichdasich
14:53<andr0z>ill try that first !
14:53<gesichtslos>I The I I think :S
14:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:55<Lantizia>Lo, is there a page where I can read up about what packages are in "Standard system"
14:56<Lantizia>I already know what packages are a part of the base system, so I'm wondering whats in "Standard system" if I choose to install it
14:56<SirRender>I'm using Xchat and was wondering if there is a channels window?
14:57<SirRender>I was automatically thrown into this channel
14:57<sney>right click the chat window
14:57<dkr>SirRender: Server ... List of channels
14:57<sney>server->list of channels
14:57<sney>SirRender: are you on ubuntu?
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14:58<SirRender>oh duh
14:58<SirRender>sney, no im on debian
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14:58<sney>there was an ubuntu bug for a while where people kept getting thrown in here by default
14:58<SirRender>thanks dkr
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15:02<Lantizia>So "Standard system" anyone? list of?
15:02<Lantizia>The only way I have a list of whats in the base is by installing it and running dpkg -l ... it's not listed anywhere
15:03<sney>I used to know what was defined by tasks
15:03<gesichtslos>I'm looking it up on google Lantizia but I'm not sure if I'll find anything.
15:03<Lantizia>yeah I've been googling too
15:03<Lantizia>it's tasksel that installs them
15:03<Lethalman>abrotman, did you sort out how to change the wm for gnome?
15:03<gesichtslos>Oh I think I found it
15:03<gesichtslos>'aptitude search ~pstandard'
15:03<eljefe>How can i get my Autopano-SIFT to work in my Hugin? Running Sid
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15:04<abrotman>Lethalman: nope, not officially
15:04<Lantizia>yeah but that kind of fibs
15:04<Lantizia>See if you do a netinstall and force it not reach out on the internet... you get a more minimal install than "Standard system"
15:04<abrotman>Lethalman: the best i got was "Select it at the GDM login" .. but it really seems like when you exit/save your session, it should save the WM you are currently using
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15:05<Lethalman>abrotman, did you use WINDOW_MANAGE in .gnomerc right?
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15:05<gesichtslos>Lantizia: petemc's link looks like it lists it all.
15:05<Lantizia>That list of "Standard system" packages... includes those that are base packages
15:05<abrotman>Lethalman: yes .. does nothing
15:05<Lantizia>gesichtslos, exactly... thats not what I need
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15:05<Lethalman>I think .gnomerc gets ignored in latest releases
15:05<Lethalman>you chmod +x .gnomerc I guess
15:05<gesichtslos>So you want the difference?
15:06<Lethalman>what about /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager in gconf abrotman?
15:06<abrotman>Lethalman: don't think you should have to .. i don't think it executes it
15:06<Lantizia>gesichtslos, yeah... a netinst cd gives you a base install already - which is a fully functional system
15:06<Lantizia>gesichtslos, comes to about 334mb
15:06<Lethalman>abrotman, you're right :)
15:06<abrotman>Lethalman: that's what i've been trying to change .. .. it's set to gnome-wm
15:07<Lethalman>no way
15:07<eljefe>nevermind i got hugin working
15:07<Lantizia>gesichtslos, I apt-get things like locate, htop, axel, ssh myself and well I'm wondering what kinds of things I'm missing out on that only exist if I let it install a full standard system
15:07<Lantizia>but it's not got a list for that
15:07<andr0z>gesichtslos: I placed the in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and it is not being used by iceweaser. Do i need to restart the laptop. Also iceweasel under shockwave flash is using a file called located at /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/
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15:07<abrotman>Lethalman: i feel like there should be some "gnome-select-wm" applet to change this .. it really shouldn't be so 'tricky'
15:07<Lethalman>abrotman, many things are getting tricky lately
15:08<abrotman>Lethalman: so i've noticed
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15:08<Lantizia>maybe the netinst has ~prequired, ~pimportant but not ~pstandard
15:08<abrotman>Lethalman: i mean it's not awful to use metacity .. but i'd really prefer sawfish
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15:08<abrotman>still shouldn't be so hard to change it
15:08<gesichtslos>andr0z: I'm not entirely sure. I'm using Firefox myself. I do know that a laptop reboot isn't needed. Simply restarting the browser should be enough.
15:09<Lethalman>abrotman, but gnome-wm is not an alternative right?
15:09<gesichtslos>andr0z: My bad I think I know the problem.
15:10<abrotman>Lethalman: apparently it points to metacity
15:10<gesichtslos>andr0z: If it exists move from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
15:10<Lethalman>whoa, not here
15:10<gesichtslos>See if that works.
15:10<abrotman>Lethalman: that's what it's been starting
15:10<Lethalman>abrotman, oh you mean in the script
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15:11<abrotman>Lethalman: .gnomerc is set to sawfish .. but gnome-wm thinks i want metacity
15:11<gesichtslos>Lantizia: Yeah I'm clueless, sorry :[
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15:12<abrotman>Lethalman: weird .. i started Xnest .. and logged in as another (rarely) used user .. and it prompted me to select the WM .. none of which where metacity
15:12<eak>hi every body
15:13<gesichtslos>Lantizia: That of any help?
15:13<Lethalman>abrotman, gnome-wm correctly executes sawfish if you set WINDOW_MANAGER
15:13<Lethalman>abrotman, it does
15:13<abrotman>export WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/sawfish
15:13<abrotman>that's what it says
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15:13<Lethalman>abrotman, try WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/bin/sawfish /usr/bin/gnome-wm
15:14<abrotman>but why? it should be respecting that .. even the gnome-wm man page says that
15:14<Lethalman>why what?
15:14<Lethalman>it works, then the problem is not gnome-wm
15:16<Lethalman>abrotman, do you have metacity in autostart or whatelse?
15:16<abrotman>i have sawfish in autostart
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15:17<Lethalman>abrotman, there's more at /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current
15:17<abrotman>Lethalman: default is set to "/usr/bin/sawfish"
15:17<Lethalman>really still doesn't start sawfish???
15:18<abrotman>that's why i'm stumpted
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15:18<Lethalman>abrotman, does it work with new user?
15:18<abrotman>Lethalman: i said above, it asks me to select a window manager from a list (sawfish/blackbox/twm .. oddly no metacity)
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15:18<andr0z>gesichtslos: the directory does exist, i coped over and still a no go.
15:19<andr0z>gesichtslos: I'll try the instructions in the link you gave me
15:19<gesichtslos>You can try but I'm not entirely sure it'll work.
15:19<abrotman>Lethalman: i thought maybe sawfish was failing to start, but that doesn't seem to be the case
15:19<gesichtslos>While you're trying I'll look into it more.
15:19<Lethalman>:S :S
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15:21<gesichtslos>andr0z: Make sure that /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ both contain the file If all else fails I'd try rebooting to see if it works.
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15:21<Lethalman>abrotman, it works if you do sawfish --replace
15:21<Lantizia>gesichtslos, I've given up lol - but thanks
15:21<gesichtslos>Lantizia: Yeah sorry :(
15:22<abrotman>well .. sawfish doesn't support --replace .. but 'killall metacity && sawfish &' does give me sawfish
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15:22<Lantizia>If I want a local mirror (installing lost of test machines) of debian... i.e. non-free, contrib, main, and security... how can I find out how big all that is?
15:22<Lantizia>and is there an official way to mirror?
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15:22<Lethalman>abrotman, did it use to work before? or is it the first time?
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15:23<abrotman>Lethalman: sure. i've been using sawfish for ages
15:23<Lethalman>I think it's the latest gnome-session
15:23*abrotman can't find a replacement that does edge flipping
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15:25<Lethalman>abrotman, could you store somewhere the "exec" statement of gnome-wm? like in a file?
15:26<abrotman>store ?
15:26<Lethalman>just to see if it gets called and gnome passes unwanted arguments to it
15:26<abrotman>strace it ?
15:26<Lethalman>abrotman, echo something > file
15:26<Lethalman>I don't know
15:26<Lethalman>I'd see how (and if) it gets called
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15:27<abrotman>let me try that again :)
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15:29<gesichtslos>andr0z: I think I may have found the problem but it's rather extensive. I'll open up a private message with you.
15:30<andr0z>gesichtslos: ok thanks
15:31<abrotman>Lethalman: this is just odd .. 'killall sawfish && strace -o gnomewm.log gnome-wm &' .. bam immediately starts metacity
15:31<abrotman>Lethalman: as far as i can tell .. it doesn't even read the gconf or a conf file
15:32<Lethalman>abrotman, in fact it doesn't
15:32<Lethalman>it starts metacity by default
15:32<abrotman>Lethalman: well ... how the heck am i supposed to set it then :)
15:33<Lethalman>echo "$WINDOW_MANAGER" $OPT1 $OPT2 $OPT3 $OPT4 > /tmp/gnomewm before exec and relogin
15:33<abrotman>there are no options
15:33<abrotman>let me try it .. hold on
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15:33<Lethalman>there's --sm-client-id, does sawfish support that right?
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15:34<abrotman>not sure
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15:35<abrotman>the man page doesn't really say what that is
15:35<Lethalman>what about killall sawfish && WINDOW_MANAGER=sawfish /usr/bin/gnome-wm ?
15:36<abrotman>that will start sawfish
15:36<Lethalman>nothing then
15:36<Lethalman>abrotman, what you do in the autostart? killall metacity && sawfish?
15:36<abrotman>wait .. i thought you meant the Startup Applications
15:37<Lethalman>before I meant in the shell
15:37<abrotman>if you do, i just put /usr/bin/sawfish
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15:37<Lethalman>what if you kill metacity before starting sawfish in the autostart?
15:38<Lethalman>that should work
15:38<abrotman>i'm sure that would work ... but why do i have to go through all of this ?
15:38<Lethalman>of course
15:38<Lethalman>just to know if that finally starts sawfish :O
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15:41<Lethalman>abrotman, can you please do what I said before? by adding that line of code in gnome-wm
15:41<Lethalman>it looks like WINDOW_MANAGER gets cleared before calling gnome-wm
15:41<Lethalman>that's the only reason to me
15:41<abrotman>add code to gnome-wm ? it's a binary i think
15:41<Lethalman>it's not
15:42<abrotman>oh, it is a script
15:42<Lethalman>let's understand if WINDOW_MANAGER is set or unset
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15:43<abrotman>what a goofy script
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15:48<abrotman>Lethalman: i could just change the order in that script
15:49<Lethalman>abrotman, if you could test that for me it would be useful for everyone
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15:49<abrotman>test which part ?
15:50<Lethalman>do echo "$WINDOW_MANAGER" $OPT1 $OPT2 $OPT3 $OPT4 > /tmp/gnomewm before exec (at the end of the file)
15:50<Lethalman>if it doesn't start sawfish then there're problems in setting the variable
15:51<abrotman>$ cat /tmp/gnomewm
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15:52<Lethalman>so the WINDOW_MANAGER doesn't get set
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15:52<Lantizia>I've done a minimal install... do I just need cups-client to print to my cups server? not the entiretly of cups!?
15:52<abrotman>well .. it does, but in the script, not by me
15:52<Lethalman>exactly, what about echo blaaaa > /tmp/test in your .gnomerc?
15:53<Lethalman>well I could test that myself actually, but I don't have a working Xnest :P
15:53<Lethalman>no problem if you don't want to... hope I helped you someway
15:53<abrotman>Lethalman: never reads that file
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15:57<abrotman>Lethalman: there should still be an easier way than messing with a text file
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15:58<Gunther>hi, i'm using the unstable distribution of debian. i wanted to install the newest version of vlc media player and put their sources in my sources.list. to be sure to get their package i put in my preferences file "Pin: origin" as criterion. but issuing apt-get source vlc i can still see that he's downloading from
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15:58<abrotman>Lethalman: uhm .. maybe it's been fixed
15:59<faheem>Gunther: you want the sources or the binary?
16:00<Gunther>i gave the "vlc" package a pin-priority of 1001. i forgot to tell you...
16:00<faheem>Gunther: not sure if pinning works on sources
16:00<faheem>pinning is a big dodgy anyway, i think
16:00<faheem>does the documentation say it does?
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16:00*abrotman tries what mr DD says
16:01<Lethalman>abrotman, doesn't look like, where does it says .gnomerc usage has been fixed?
16:01<abrotman>Lethalman: Josselin said to use the .gnomerc .. maybe it only works from GDM instead of gnome-wm .. i'm going to test this
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16:01<Lethalman>didn't understand
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16:02<Gunther>faheem: i grep'd through the apt_preferences man page but couldn't find anything about source packages
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16:03<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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16:03<themill>Gunther: use the output of "apt-cache policy" to see what the origin, label etc are that you can try to pin with
16:04<faheem>themill: he concerned with sources
16:04<faheem>hs is, sorry
16:04<faheem>he is. dammit
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16:04<abrotman>Lethalman: nope .. failed
16:05<themill>faheem: erm.... looks more like "origin" is what he wants to me.
16:05<Lethalman>abrotman, I see what you mean, you need to set sawfish as windowmanager required component
16:05<faheem>the corresponding command is apt-cache showsrc
16:05<Lethalman>not gnome-wm
16:05<faheem>i'd have thought
16:05<abrotman>Lethalman: it seems like i have to file a bug on sawfish to get a .desktop file
16:05<faheem>themill: you mean he needs to pin origin?
16:05<themill>faheem: sorry, you're right.
16:05<Lethalman>abrotman, yes, and set sawfish as windowmanager component in gconf
16:05<Gunther>it says: "pinned packages: vlc -> (not found)"
16:06<Lethalman>but yet the WINDOW_MANAGER stuff doesn't work because .gnomerc is broken
16:06<faheem>does pinning actually work on sources though?
16:06<themill>Gunther: there is no pinning involved in apt-get source at all. use "apt-get source package=version" instead
16:06<abrotman>Lethalman: yeah .. but as i keep saying .. it shouldn't be that hard :)
16:06<faheem>i've never done that, and i kinda had impression it didn't work
16:06<Lethalman>abrotman, simply .gnomerc is broken, it's nothing hard to set an env variable
16:06<faheem>themill: right
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16:07<abrotman>Lethalman: yeah .. but they do all that work to hide the CLI from users
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16:07<Lethalman>abrotman, a wmchanger application would be nice :)
16:07<Gunther>themill: thank you. i'll try
16:07<abrotman>that's what i've been saying!
16:07<macravin>hey, I used the netinstaller to install debian on a netbook, and now it can no longer connect to the internet after the install! the netinstall disk cannot use the internernrt either, but I installed from the net
16:07<themill>abrotman: write one! make sure you write it in C# though :)
16:08<patrikf>so you can easily port it to windows?
16:08<Lethalman>I think zenity is sufficient for such a dialog :S
16:09<Lethalman>or debconf :)
16:09<Lethalman>mh no no debconf that's system wide :P
16:10<abrotman>there's already /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager .. but gnome-wm doesn't obey it
16:10<Lethalman>abrotman, that's used in case there's no session manager
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16:11<abrotman>Lethalman: but the script looks at it
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16:11<Lethalman>abrotman, if metacity is not in the system
16:12<abrotman>which is impossible
16:12*Lethalman must discover why .gnomerc doesn't get called sigh
16:12<abrotman>$ aptitude why metacity
16:12<abrotman>i gnome-core Depends metacity (>= 1:2.26) | compiz-gnome
16:12<abrotman>okay .. not impossible ..
16:13<Lethalman>abrotman, that's not a debian choice, that's mostly a gnome-session script
16:13<Lethalman>or I'm saying it wrong
16:14<Lethalman>no it's a debian choice :P
16:14<Gunther>unfortunately, apt-get source vlc=1.0.3 didn't resolve my problem. he says he can't find a source package for vlc
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16:14<abrotman>Lethalman: you'd think just getting it to source ~/.gnomerc would be enough ?
16:14*abrotman tries this
16:15<Lethalman>abrotman, yes
16:15<Lethalman>the problem is that .gnomerc is not sourced by X somehow
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16:17<abrotman>except 'source' is a bashism apparently that dash doesn't have
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16:17<Lethalman>abrotman, . ~/.gnomerc
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16:19<abrotman>yeah .. i used $HOME .. but yeah
16:19<Lethalman>abrotman, can I ask you how do you use Xnest?
16:20<Lethalman>to start a working gnome session
16:20<abrotman>Lethalman: in gnome there's a "Start a session in a new window"
16:20<abrotman>which starts Xnest
16:20<abrotman>/usr/bin/Xnest -name Xnest :20 -audit 0 -auth /tmp/.gdmCZRC3U -nolisten tcp
16:20<abrotman>is the command it used
16:21<Lethalman>I don't find that "button"
16:21<abrotman>in gnome?
16:21<Lethalman>what gnome?
16:21<Lethalman>a menu? what?
16:21<abrotman>it's a gnome menu item under System Tools
16:21<Gunther>themill: he tells me i can't find a vlc package
16:21<Lethalman>I don't have it
16:22<abrotman>let me try to find the package it came from
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16:22<Lethalman>thanks, that's so useful
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16:26<abrotman>Lethalman: gdm package
16:26<abrotman>the binary is gdmXnest
16:26<Lethalman>maybe because I'm testing 2.28 :S
16:26<abrotman>i'm on testing
16:26<abrotman>maybe that wasn't it ...
16:27<Lethalman>thanks abrotman, no gdmXnest for me then :P
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16:27<abrotman>Lethalman: let me look a bit more
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16:27<abrotman>Lethalman: nope .. that wasn't it
16:28<Lethalman>I have to go now thanks abrotman
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16:28<abrotman>Lethalman: gdmflexiserver
16:28<Lethalman>aaaaaah yes flexiserver
16:28<abrotman>Lethalman: gdmflexiserver --xnest
16:28<abrotman>sorry to keep you, thanks for helping
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16:30<Lethalman_>looks like 2.28 gdmflexiserver does it fullscreen
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16:31<Lethalman_>thanks abrotman
16:31<Lethalman_>bye all
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16:43<vansen>glad your here Web-sidux550
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16:49<vansen>hey chocolat888: wanna be friends?
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16:49<chocolat888>if you want xD
16:49<azeem>vansen: do you have a Debian question?
16:49<chocolat888>I all
16:49<vansen>Thanks chocolat888
16:49<chocolat888>i have some trouble whith my debian
16:50<chocolat888>i'm a french user of unreal tournament
16:50<vansen>I've been trying to install Debian, but I can't find the debian.exe file.
16:50<azeem>!install debian
16:50<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
16:50<chocolat888>after some hacks in the file i've intalled the native linux client but
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16:51<chocolat888>he seems like do not loading the modifications in unrealtournament.ini and user.ini
16:52<azeem>chocolat888: I don't think this is something we can help you with
16:52<azeem>Debian doesn't ship Unreal Tournament
16:52<chocolat888>doesn't ship ? i don't understand sorry :)
16:53<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
16:53<abrotman>chocolat888: we have no idea how UT works
16:53<ichdasich>chocolat888: join, them, ask there.
16:53<chocolat888>thank you ichdasich ;)
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16:53<azeem>ichdasich: eh, why do you think #debian-fr would know anything more about UT than weß
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16:54<chocolat888>azeem: it's possible :)
16:54<vansen>I've been racking my brain with trying to find decent DJ software with Debian/Linux. I would like to just take my laptop with me instead of carrying around a crate of LPs. Any good suggestions?
16:54<ichdasich>azeem: i don't think so. but i think, that they are better at explaining why, then we are. i.e. the shipping stuff.
16:55<rijo>vansen: tried mixxx?
16:55<vansen>does it have pitch control?
16:55<chocolat888>du moin autent qu'un trolleur sur #debian qui cherche un debian.exe pour installer notre distibition préférrée sur ça bécanne à bon entendeur salut ;)
16:55<rijo>don't know but a friend of mine is a dj and he liked it
16:56<vansen>I'll give it a shot rijo, thanks.
16:56<chocolat888>so thank you ichdasich :)
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16:56<azeem>chocolat888: you're still in #debian
16:56<chocolat888>azeem: and im on #debian-fr too since i'm logging
16:57<azeem>chocolat888: just make sure you don't write in french in here like you just did
16:57<chocolat888>so what ?
16:57<abrotman>this channel is english
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16:58<chocolat888>ok sorry abrotman :)
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17:01<grummund>hmm, what's the 'official' way to add svnserve to startup?
17:02<chocolat888>grummund: update-rc ?
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17:03<grummund>update-rc.d svnserve defaults
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17:03<grummund>...but it seems odd that the package does not install a tremplate in init.d
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17:07<chocolat888>grummund: it's not a problem
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17:08<chocolat888>create a symlink to your svnserver in init.d and update-rc it :)
17:08<chocolat888>so i don't know if my english is understandable
17:08<chocolat888>sorry about that
17:08<chocolat888>i'll be back soon
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17:09<grummund>chocolat888: yes i think it can be done without problem too...
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17:09*grummund just wondering if i missed an already canned solution
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17:11<grummund>shouldn't there be /usr/share/doc/svn... ?
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17:12<grummund>doh. ignore that... it's .../doc/subversion
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17:13<DesynCroc>grummund: re
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17:18<kingsley>Which file should the configuration of a so called "smarthost" be put in for version 4 of exim?
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17:18<abrotman>kingsley: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
17:19<kingsley>abrotman: Under normal circumstances, that would be sufficient.
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17:19<abrotman>but you're special?
17:19<faheem>kingsley: there is lots of debian specific exim documention if you want to read it
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17:20<faheem>they have a fancy system
17:20<kingsley>abrotman: However, in this case, certain details of the smarthost configuration are needed, which dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config does not prompt for.
17:21<kingsley>faheem: Do you happen to know where I might find debian specific documentation for the file containing a detailed configuration of smarthost?
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17:23<Lantizia>Lo can someone remind me how you disable APT from getting recommended packages?
17:24<Lantizia>It's driving me bloody nuts... who on earth thought the gnome volume manager would need totem, sound juicer, gthumb, and the nautilus CD BURNER!
17:24<Lantizia>it just - DOESN'T - :D
17:24<azeem>so read the documentation
17:24<Lantizia>I've been googling... I know theres a special line you put in apt.conf
17:24<Lantizia>I can't find it or remember it tho
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17:25<Lantizia>what is it?
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17:26<kingsley>Lantizia: I hope gnome's volume manager doesn't have a subtle dependency that ends up requiring you to need totem, etc...
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17:27<azeem>Lantizia: APT::Install-Recommends
17:27<Lantizia>kingsley, if it does then it should be a dependancy! not a recommends!
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17:28<Lantizia>I never got the concept of recommends, it's either needed or it's not - no silly inbetween... suggests are fine
17:28<Lantizia>azeem, doesn't that do the opposite?
17:28<azeem>Lantizia: not if you set it to "false", eh?
17:29<Lantizia>so... echo -e '\nAPT::Install-Recommends "false";" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
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17:34<raylu>i'm on debian testing and get this when i tried update/dist-upgrade today:
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17:36<abrotman>raylu: okay .. that happens
17:37<faheem>kingsley: /usr/share/doc/exim or exim4
17:37<faheem>should have stuff
17:38<faheem>i'd start with the README.Debian
17:38<faheem>it contains the detailed configuration strategy
17:38<faheem>for simple cases, debconf would do just fine
17:39<faheem>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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17:40<kingsley>faheem: Thank you. Following your tip has already confirmed a theory I had...
17:42<raylu>abrotman: i just need to wait for the maintainer to update bitlbee, right?
17:42<abrotman>raylu: sure .. wait a day or two .. or let it remove it if you don't use it
17:43<raylu>i most certainly use it. a lot :D
17:43<abrotman>oh ok
17:43<abrotman>then yes .. wait a day or two
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17:56<massmc>Hi, is there a way to hide the home folder from other users? i chmod the home folder to 700. now a user cannot make dirs
17:58<baby>who is debian?
17:59<baby>I said who is debian?
17:59<abrotman>baby: do ou need help?
18:00<dpkg>hmm... debian is See
18:01<baby>ok thanks
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18:05<raylu>on my other machine, i have a testing/unstable mix for firefox 3.5. i should see video in firefox, but does not play (controls are present, however)
18:05<stevecotton>massmc: are you trying to stop users finding out who other users are by running "ls /home", or stop users looking into other user's directories by "ls /home/user" ?
18:05<raylu>massmc: hide?
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18:05<mmjj23>mssmc # chown -R [OWNER][:[GROUP] /home/USERNAME then chmod 700 /home/USERNAME
18:06<mmjj23>owner and group being your username
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18:07<abrotman>that's a pretty bad thing
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18:09<massmc>stevecotton, yes.. and I chmod the home folder to 700 now all users are hosed
18:09<stevecotton>For stopping users doing "ls /home", there are many other ways to find out the other users on a system; you'd need complex sysadmin tricks to stop it.
18:09<massmc>yes, just needed to hide the users so other users could not access others home folders
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18:09<abrotman>massmc: are you getting help here or the other server?
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18:10<stevecotton> /home should be mode 755
18:10<massmc>abrotman, I asked in freenode also cause I needed help on the issue pronto.. didnt think anyone was awake here
18:11<stevecotton>ah, probably better to continue it there, I see there's more discussion there
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18:15<unicorncob>i just signed a text file and a new file was created with a .sig extension. Should I include both files when sending to the recipient?
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18:57<matheus>boa noite
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18:59<Lantizia>hey isn't there a command you can run to check why a package got installed?
19:00<themill>Lantizia: aptitude why packagename
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19:05<Lantizia>thanx themill
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19:42<DesynCroc>sory alll
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19:43<DesynCroc>so i'm too tired for typ correctly
19:43<DesynCroc>hi damiank :)
19:44<DesynCroc>i'm a french user of debian (since potatos) and btw unreal tournament
19:44<DesynCroc>and you dear friend ?
19:44<damiank>im from argentina
19:44<DesynCroc>wow !!! ;)
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19:45<DesynCroc>whats up from argentina ?
19:45*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
19:45<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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19:45<DesynCroc>sorry babilen, i'm a little drunken too :"(
19:46<babilen>DesynCroc: No problem with that. Just continue in #debian-offtopic :-D
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19:46<DesynCroc>sure ... thanks babilen :)
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20:11<inkbottle>hi, is there any #debian-gnome channel?
20:15<abrotman>inkbottle: there is a #gnome-debian on .. but you can try asking here
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20:16<inkbottle>abrotman: thanks :)
20:16<abrotman>inkbottle: it's not a very large channel, so you may not get a response
20:16<inkbottle>I was wondering how to make nautilus display (and compute), thumbnails for video file
20:16<abrotman>can it do that at all ?
20:16<abrotman>i've not seen that
20:17<abrotman>oh wait .. yes i have
20:18<inkbottle>for displaying, np. but computing the thumbnails, I don't have the necessary packages installed (and I don't know which should be installed)
20:18<abrotman>i think it should just do it
20:18<abrotman>how did you install gnome?
20:18<inkbottle>gnome-core without recommanded
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20:21<abrotman>inkbottle: you may want to expand that a bit
20:23<inkbottle>abrotman: yes but what direction? If I install all the recommended packages, it would install things I'm not sure I want
20:24<abrotman>inkbottle: just go up incrementally
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20:24<abrotman>install gnome-core with recommends .. then if it still doesn't have it .. install gnome-desktop-environment without recommends, then with ... etc
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20:25<inkbottle>ok, i see
20:27<abrotman>inkbottle: i'm going to guess it's totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
20:27<abrotman>inkbottle: so if you want to just install totem-gstreamer .. try that first
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20:33<brlancer>squeeze amd64 w/ fluxbox: an application has grabbed my mouse keyboard and won't let go; I can't click-to-focus any window or type in a window; keys I've defined for fluxbox work: alt+tab, function keys, and "right-click on desktop" works no matter whether I'm hovering the desktop or not. How can I find which application is grabbing the keyboard and mouse?
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20:37<abrotman>you mean without typing or using hte mouse?
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20:38<Dragon>good night everybody
20:38<brlancer>abrotman: yeah. :) I can SSH in, but nothing in the X session.
20:39<brlancer>heck, even a way to force an ungrab would be ok.
20:39<Dragon>i won't
20:40<abrotman>brlancer: kill X apps ?
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20:42<brlancer>abrotman: well, yeah... this happened earlier today also and it didn't release after I killed off almost everything. At some point, not after I'd killed any apps, it released.
20:43<brlancer>I'm trying to avoid randomly whacking stuff I'm in the middle of/
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20:56<inkbottle>abrotman: ok, it was it. it's still not automatically launched by nautilus, but it's on its way. I leave, see you :) (so the thumbnailer is totem-video-thumbnailer in package totem (gstreamer); and there is a man page)
20:57<abrotman>good luck
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21:09<dpkg><nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly
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21:15<dpkg><sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable
21:15<dbldtx_>!irritate dbldtx_
21:15<dpkg>dbldtx_: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome ???/
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21:18<dbldtx_>See, I didn't even know you could do that. Does anybody know of a place to get all the commands detailing the inner workings of the dpkg bot?
21:19<dbldtx_>dpkg; where can I learn all of your commands?
21:19<dpkg>dbldtx_: i haven't a clue
21:19<franki^>/q dpkg help
21:19<icebrain>!tell dbldtx_ about dpkgbot
21:19<franki^>could be a start?
21:21<icebrain>dbldtx_: for example
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21:21<dbldtx_>icebrain, franki^; thank you.
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21:55<kingsley>How do you tell exim4 to use "bydns" with its smarthost?
22:03<babilen>kingsley: ask in #exim on freenode ;-)
22:04<kingsley>babilen: I did.
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22:04<babilen>kingsley: great!
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22:07<faheem>kingsley: the debian exim list is quite helpful. there probably also is a general exim list
22:07<kingsley>faheem: When you say "list", are you alluding to an email list?
22:08<faheem>kingsley: sure
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22:08<kingsley>Is it just me, or does anyone else see the irony in suggesting email to fix broken email.
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22:09<faheem>i expect the debian exim list would expect more debian specific questions, though
22:09<faheem>kingsley: just you. :-)
22:09<faheem>there are such things as web email
22:09<kingsley>Although, I suppose if it has a searchable archive that hasn't been indexed by Google, that might be helpful.
22:10<faheem>kingsley: you are setting up email for yourself?
22:10<abrotman>kingsley: you have no other email acct to send mail from ?
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22:11<faheem>gmail and so forth
22:11<kingsley>faheem: Thanks for asking. I upgraded the version of exim running on my workstation from 3 to 4, and, as you say, I'm now setting it up for myself.
22:11<faheem>kingsley: any particular reason for upgrading to 4?
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22:12<faheem>must be an old machine, been 4 for awhile now
22:12<kingsley>faheem: Yes. Version 3 was crashing on a certain inbound email.
22:13<kingsley>faheem: I've been using debian since 1996.
22:13<faheem>kingsley: ooh, long time
22:13<faheem>only since 2001 here :-)
22:14<kingsley>faheem: You figured it out sooner than most, that's for sure.
22:14<franki^>2009 here :/
22:14<faheem>kingsley: well, was considering it for at least a year before it actually happened...
22:16<kingsley>faheem: Very good.
22:17<faheem>free software history in a nutshell - RH 1998 -> SuSE 1999 -> Debian 2001
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22:30<kingsley>I found examples of configuring exim to use "bydns" with its smarthost by appending "bydns" to the end of the "route_list" variable, after the name of the smarthost. However, it seems to me that Debian has a non-standard way to configure exim4, and I find myself wondering which file I can safely edit route_list in.
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22:33<kingsley>"bydns" can be appended to the end of the name of the smarthost when running "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", but /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated indicates that bydns was ignored, and indeed, the smarthost complains.
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22:34<kingsley>So, I find myself wondering, exactly where does one specify "bydns" on a debian system running exim4?
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22:36<dpkg><Brian_L> cd #debian-64
22:36<abrotman>dbldtx: please msg the bot
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22:36<dbldtx>abrotman; I will from now on, no problem. Count my apologies for spamming the channel for 4 days straight.
22:37<Merlin>geez that's a lot spamming
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22:38<dbldtx>Merlin; Are you trying to get me banned? ;)
22:39<Merlin>Hardly anyone is on here anyways'
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22:55<abrotman>SURPRISE! It's IRC!!
22:58<franki^>you call 356 people "hardly anyone"? :s
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23:02<Merlin>Ey, how do you permanently enable dhclient eth0? Every time I log in I must use it to access the internet
23:03<sney>allow-hotplug eth0
23:03<sney>iface eth0 inet dhcp
23:04<rburn>hey ppl, i'm using apt pinning with apt.conf and preferences tracking stable but with testing/unstable in the repos and it is (aparently) working well with regular packages. My problem is with "apt-get source": it always downloads from sid unstable. Why and how can I avoid it?
23:05<rburn>with apt-get install it downloads from lenny
23:05<ZeZu>do you have a source line for lenny?
23:05<rburn>and for the others too
23:05<rburn>testing and unstable
23:06<rburn>should i remove them?
23:06<sney>alias apt-get source='apt-get -t lenny source'
23:06<sney>warning, not official solution
23:06<rburn>thanks sney
23:11<Merlin>sney: it says "auto eth0 [new line here] iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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23:12<sney>Merlin: your interfaces file?
23:12<sney>that is close enough
23:13<Merlin>yep. That is what it says. Now what?
23:13<sney>not sure why it isn't working, in that case
23:13<sney>it should just work, that's how debian knows what to do with the network
23:13<Merlin>It doesn't work automatically, only after i type dhclient eth0
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23:14<rburn>sney, "apt-get -t lenny source" doesnt work :(
23:14<rburn>i'm going to remove the deb-src lines
23:14<sney>it might be -t=lenny or it might need stable
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23:14<sney>what's your default release set as in apt.conf?
23:15<rburn>APT::Default-Release "stable";
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23:15<sney>well anyway, if you don't need any source from sid then it'll be safe to comment out or delete the sid deb-src lines in sources.list
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23:15<rburn>man apt_preferences only talks about install and upgrade
23:16<faheem>rburn: apt-get source pkgname=version
23:16<faheem>i don't think pinning works for sources
23:16<rburn>let me try that
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23:17<faheem>version meaning the version of the package, not stable
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23:23<rburn>faheem, it worked,
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23:23<rburn>but a source package can give many binary packages
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23:24<rburn>faheem, one has to look for the source package. I tried with one simple - a2ps - and apt-get source a2ps=1:4.14-1 worked. Thanks.
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23:27<faheem>rburn: apt-cache showsrc will give the source of a binary package
23:28<rburn>great, i was just looking for that, thanks again faheem :)
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23:35<Merlin>sney: thanks for you help anyways
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23:39<massmc>hello, how to configure my linux box so that my domain name appears as the host on join
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23:52<simonrvn>massmc: ask your isp, and set up your dns
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