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---Logopened Fri Nov 13 00:00:11 2009
00:00<MrGlad>I disagree, so does 90+ % of the pc users, that 3% that consists of all linux distro users may agree with you however
00:01<twb>MrGlad: Debian is optimized for non-newbies
00:01<twb>MrGlad: the idea is that everyone starts out a newbie, but shouldn't STAY a newbie
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00:02<twb>If you focus on newbies you end up like Ubuntu, where only newbies use it
00:02<x2y2>I agree
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00:03<MrGlad>actually the general idea is it's 2009, not 1985 and the command line, and having to actually learn how to use an os, minus pointing and clicking isn't ideal. People simply don't have the time, alot occupied with school and work
00:03<MrGlad>it's about getting to the things you enjoy, email etc... not trying to learn a thousand geek cmds
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00:05<MrGlad>twb also to be fair, ubuntu has recieved an incredible amount of attention in a short time frame, because of them appealing to "newbies", this results in more businesses and contributors ingeneral jumpin aboard
00:05<MrGlad>I think debian would benefit alot more if they considered this for their os
00:06<kmap>I think the core focus and aims of Debian are a tad different from that of Ubuntu
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00:07<twb>MrGlad: if you want to improve Debian's support for newbies, you are welcome to submit patches.
00:07<kmap>It's about creating a rock solid OS which offers full freedom to users
00:07<MrGlad>sure, i'd imagine they are,but debian like any project can always use more supporters, more donators, more attention ingeneral
00:07<kmap>Naturally, as twb says, any help is welcome.
00:07<twb>kmap: I think you're confusing Debian with GNUsaince.
00:07<twb>Or GNewSense or whatever they call themselves now
00:07<kmap>twb: Actually, I am not... but then, let me alter my statement.
00:08<x2y2>If you don't like cli , go windows ,that a good choice. Ubuntu's user are not loyal to Ubuntu, after a few month ,they migrate to other distributions
00:08<MrGlad>kmap i'd hate to contribute a great deal of time and effort producing additions and patches to debian, that apply to new users, only for it to be shutdown
00:08<kmap>The social contract and DFSG are the basis for Debian, IMHO
00:08<MrGlad>due to it doesn't follow the debian teams view
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00:08<kmap>MrGlad: Have you ever tried? Have you been bitten?
00:09<MrGlad>kmap well you *are, the developers, and you just explained your views to me
00:09<kmap>And I don't see how that contradicts accepting contributions
00:10<kmap>Anyway, I don't wish to troll... so I'll stop.
00:10<sney>what would be better is a more comprehensive Desktop task, something with a real capable gui, that doesn't shove you into a terminal when you want to do something outside the developers' predictions
00:10<sney>Ubuntu could use that just as well as we could.
00:11<MrGlad>well my contributions might greatly alter existing implementations, are you saying ingeneral the debian contributors are open to such drastic submissions?
00:11<sney>And thankfully, making packages and tasks and having them available on apt is a much less daunting task than submitting patches directly against the OS
00:12<sney>One of ubuntu's weaknesses as a noob-oriented distro is that a lot of its more experienced users wind up jumping ship and coming here
00:12<kmap>MrGlad: I'm just saying, discuss it on the mailing list, propose changes, demonstrate it. I don't see why people would reject positive contributions
00:12<sney>so having something that appeals to both sides of the fence as an option under debian could even render ubuntu obsolete.
00:13<MrGlad>kmap, my experience is most linux groups are religious in their views, hence why theres 1000 different linux distros vs maybe 5-10, so ok i'll bring up some topics on the mailing list
00:13<sney>But what do I know, I'm just a guy who used to run a distro team with that exact goal in mind. >_>
00:13<MrGlad>and see the response
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00:16<kmap>MrGlad: Thanks for that
00:16<pwr2theppl>i have a question
00:16<pwr2theppl>not technical
00:17<sney>are you going to ask
00:17<x2y2>pwr2theppl: please feel free ask what you want ask here
00:17<pwr2theppl>does any thing you learn from screwing around with linux give you skills that you could use to get a career?
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00:18<kmap>pwr2theppl: I am not qualified to answer that, but you'd definitely do better on a sysadmin interview/test than a guy who's just read books. :-)
00:19<sney>pwr2theppl: also, the hardware knowledge you pick up from getting weird equipment to function is pretty useful in an IT setting
00:19<faheem>pwr2theppl: well, yes, of course. the question is whether it is a career you would want
00:19<faheem>which is closely connected to the question of what you consider a career to be
00:20<sney>sysadminning can be fairly soulless work
00:20<pwr2theppl>i mean like sney thats what i mean in particular, also getting networking things to work with linux
00:20<faheem>ie. is working at McDonalds a career? working at Walmart?
00:20<faheem>sney: agreed.
00:21<faheem>also notably unappreciated in my (limited) experience
00:21<faheem>people tend only to notice when things break
00:21<sney>depends on the level, I was pretty unappreciated as a regular support guy but I was practically a god in the datacenter
00:21<faheem>pwr2theppl: perhaps he meant to say soul-destroying?
00:22<faheem>sney: wow
00:22<kmap>!hug sney
00:22*dpkg wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around sney
00:22<sney>no, the corporate bullshit is the soul-destroying part. easy solution: don't work at a bank
00:22<faheem>what did you do in the data-center?
00:22<faheem>sney: you don't like banks?
00:22<sney>I didn't like working for a bank. they were jerks.
00:23<sney>and they took their own corporate nonsense a little too seriously for my comfort level.
00:23<faheem>sney: big surprise. they are there only to make money
00:23<faheem>sney: interesting
00:23<sney>datacenter work is a lot of deployments, array management, and disk controller battery swaps
00:23<faheem>sney: you work as a sysadmin currently?
00:23<faheem>sney: interesting work?
00:23<sney>nah right now I'm doing specialist retail. I burned out kind of hard on IT, I'm only just getting back into it
00:23<x2y2>I'm a senior student majored cs, I got a job of mobilephone development in the last day of Oct. In the interview, company's HR was very interest with my skills about linux. This is my experience, hope it is useful for you.
00:24<faheem>the datacenter stuff i mean
00:24<sney>it can be. you get weird issues sometimes that are more interesting to fix than "help my mouse isn't moving normally"
00:24<sney>and the relative solitude appealed to my inner hermit
00:24<faheem>sney: i see
00:25<pwr2theppl>ahh i see x2y2
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00:26<sney>it's a big air conditioned room with windows and 4 or 5 *nix flavours, many running on different architectures, all connected to the same network
00:26<sney>NOW PLAY NICE
00:26<faheem>sney: sounds lonely
00:26<sney>I was offered one of these for free, provided I could get it home. I couldn't. They threw it in the garbage. :(
00:27<sney>who needs people when you have IRC
00:27<faheem>sney: where are you located?
00:27<sney>I was always talking to the regular developers and sysads anyway
00:27<faheem>sney: :-\
00:27<sney>currently western canada, but at the time it was new york city
00:28<faheem>sney: i see. thanks. nyc is a pretty happening place
00:28<faheem>good place to be, i'd have thought
00:28<sney>well it was until the economy tanked
00:28<faheem>assuming you have enough energy left over to go out and do stuff
00:28<faheem>good place to go dancing, for example
00:29<sney>I grew up there, the nightlife never really appealed to me much
00:29<faheem>sney: oh, ok
00:30<faheem>people were unfriendly?
00:30<faheem>big cities are sometimes unfriendly
00:30<sney>Just not my scene.
00:30<faheem>sney: looks like a nice machine. what is it?
00:31<faheem>origin is the brand name or something?
00:32<faheem>sney: thanks
00:32<faheem>sney: well, off to eat. nice chatting with you. take care
00:32<sney>it's basically a big cluster in a box
00:32<sney>yep have a good one
00:32<faheem>sney: yes, i see
00:32<faheem>does it run linux?
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00:33<sney>it runs SGI IRIX by default, which is a unix OS, so yes, it can be made to run linux. It would have been an interesting challenge.
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00:38<faheem>sney: not currently supported by Debian then?
00:38<faheem>does the arch in question have a name?
00:38<sney>and I don't know if there's official debian support, but it's known to run on other SGI machines
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00:40<nicholas>uh, so i updated iceape and it doesn't appear to know about my profiles any more.
00:40<nicholas>any maintainers around? or anyone with ideas on how else to tackle this problem?
00:41<sney>check bts, odds are someone else has the same problem
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00:42<faheem>sney: i see. thanks. really off to eat now. later.
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01:39<twb>Obviously not.
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02:02<bb>hi everyone~!
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02:11<skullbox>anyone here know how to discover flash radio addresses?
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04:45<defiant>ok general linux question about pipes. is there a way to redirect the results of a find command into another program? ie i am trying to find ALL the avi files in a tree structure then pipe? them into vlc? anyway to do this?
04:46<jm_>it depends on how flexible vlc is, in general the answer is of course
04:46<jm_>man xargs
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04:47<petemc>i used to direct results into a file, then have mplayer use that file as a playlist
04:47<defiant>hmm ok, i think that somehow i have to get the results of the find command to be an argument of vlc
04:48<defiant>maybe vlc `find /videos/ -iname '*.avi'` or something
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04:49<defiant>booya that worked. i should really investigate things more thoroughly before asking here. thanks for listening tho :)
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04:51<jm_>that's what xargs does for you
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05:14<anewbie>hello there guys is here a proper plays when i can pose i iptables question ?
05:15<anewbie>or it will be offtopic
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05:19<jm_>!tell anewbie -about ask
05:20<anewbie>nice :) i want to make redirection of port 22 to one of my local ip's for that i use iptables but the redirection dont in the past i use the same lines to redirect other ports and everything was fine but now ...
05:20<anewbie>after executing the iptables script i make /etc/init.d/networking restart
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05:20<anewbie>and /etc/init.d/portmap restart
05:20<anewbie>but with zero effect again
05:20<jm_>!iptables tutorial
05:20<dpkg>i guess iptables tutorial is
05:21<anewbie>jm_, i have read that infact thx to that tutorial i construc my script
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05:21<anewbie>do you want to show you the lines that i use ?
05:21<jm_>use paste service for that
05:22<anewbie>here it is
05:23<anewbie>tree simple lines and they work for other ports but for that no
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05:24<anewbie>hmm infact ...
05:25<jm_>did you look at where the problem is?
05:25<anewbie>i review my script 100 times
05:25<anewbie>i browse the web for solution but there was no such issue
05:25<anewbie>is it possible that to be result of
05:25<jm_>do packets reach the internal host?
05:26<anewbie>no route to host
05:26<jm_>uhm how are you testing it?
05:27<anewbie>is there possible that i use eth2:1 with addres
05:27<anewbie>to mainatin the static ip's
05:27<anewbie>i mean 192.168.0.* i use for static
05:27<twb>21:14 <anewbie> hello there guys is here a proper plays when i can pose i iptables question ?
05:27<twb>anewbie: #netfilter on Freenode
05:27<anewbie>and 192.168.1.* mainained by the dhcp
05:27<anewbie>twb, no one there :(
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05:28<jm_>how are you testing it?
05:28<anewbie>i try ssh connection
05:28<jm_>from where?
05:28<anewbie>form other PC of mine that is connect via other static ip
05:28<anewbie>outside the localnetwork
05:29<jm_>look at iptables counters to see which rules it hits
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05:32<jm_>and if the packets reach your destination it probably means the replies are lost
05:33<jm_>so forward table needs adjusting
05:34<twb>jm_: from you can see he's made a mess of the flushing
05:34<twb>jm_: I told him in #netfilter to start using iptables-restore, and referred him to #netfilter's "best practices" document.
05:35<twb>anewbie: btw, there's a Debianism called "aptitude install iptables-persistent" if you are on Squeeze. I recommend it.
05:36<anewbie>i use backport
05:36<twb>Fair enough
05:36<twb>It's a trivial package
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05:38<jm_>twb: if I knew about that paste maybe I would :)
05:39<twb>jm_: step #1 with netfilter is to get iptables-save's output
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05:42<jm_>twb: heh why do I have a feeling of dejavu
05:43<twb>Tokin' too much?
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05:45<jm_>naah just that I remember last time when someone asked about iptables another person said the first thing is to check that - maybe it was even you
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06:10<davi>I hope Debian offer the KDE 3.x option in the next release too, else I will have to avoid upgrade or choose another distribution
06:11<petemc>and we wouldnt want that, would we
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06:12<davi>why not petemc?
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06:12<Yoda`Taff>davi configure aptitude to not upgrade kde
06:12<petemc>davi: huh, they're your words
06:12<davi>I understand now petemc
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06:14<fanto666>Hello, how to prevent daemons from starting when upgrading packages?
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06:14<fanto666>I think there's some policy
06:15<jm_>man update-rc.d
06:15<jm_>actually invoke-rc.d
06:16<jm_>INIT SCRIPT POLICY section
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06:19<fanto666>aha. well, I needed an example, but README.policy-rc.d was enough
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07:06<ulrich>hoffe bin hier richtig im debian channel gelandet
07:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:25<zamolxes>kinda offtopic so basically i have an old legacy system (using 2.4.32). the filesystem is ext3. Some users (strangely enough, the affected ones have neighbouring uids) show gigabytes of disk usage although they only have a few small files (few kb). Questions: ever heard of anything like this? where to dig? any ideas?
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07:28<buffoon_work>zamolxes, did you delete some (big) files where some services/programs are still accessing to? Try to restart that stuff and look again at the disk space
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07:34<shell_>السلام عليكم
07:34<shell_>وين العرب
07:35<azeem>shell_: this is an english-only channel
07:36<zamolxes>buffoon_work: we tried restarting the whole system, fsck, quotacheck etc. Nothing worked. Booting a live cd showed correct behaviour, just the production (old) system behaves like this so it does seem to be in the kernel
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07:36<azeem>shell_: what's your native language?
07:36<erKURITA>Would you stop writing one-liners? I know they look cool in code, but not in a chat
07:36<shell_>i am
07:36<shell_>in iraq
07:37<azeem>that wasn't the question
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07:37<shell_>i am new in backtrack4
07:37<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
07:38<azeem>shell_: please see or #remote-exploit on
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07:38<azeem>you are wrong here
07:38<shell_> i am nead command
07:39<azeem>13:38 < azeem> shell_: please see or #remote-exploit on
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07:42<shell_>I have a problem in the screen size in Linux backtrack4
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07:43<azeem>shell_: backtrack is not supported here
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07:43<erKURITA>shell_ This is a GNU/Linux Debian channel, not a Backtrack, let alone a Slackware distro
07:43<erKURITA>So please, refer to your proper distribution
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07:45<shell_> I love the new online Linux a lot and I'm weak in English and doing translation of these texts in google, and ask you to help
07:45<azeem>shell_: 13:43 < azeem> shell_: backtrack is not supported here
07:47<shell_>Where can I find assistance for kinder
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07:47<Meths>shell_: which software are you using to talk to us?
07:48<cmot>shell_, the #remote-exploit channel on freenode should be able to help you
07:48<cmot>or you should find a linux chat in your own language.
07:48<cmot>google translation is not very good ...
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07:49<shell_>اين اجد الدعم
07:49<shell_>Where can I find support
07:50<azeem>shell_: /server
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07:51<zas>hi people, is posible to download an iso for debian testing or squid??
07:51<azeem>zas: you mean squeeze?
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07:52<azeem>zas: the way to install testing is to install stable and upgrade
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07:52<zas>ok azeem i tell u the problem
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07:53<zas>i upgrade my debian lenny
07:53<zas>for upgrade my kernel
07:53<zas>but now all is change an mixed
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07:53<zas>i have the grub for debian lenny
07:54<zas>and when that grub finish, start the grub for the new debian testing
07:54<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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07:54<zas>if i run the old kernel, its frozzen, and the new i havent got drivers for nothing
07:54<zas>the driver of my wifi dsnt work, envidia to...
07:55<zas>i try to install , remove an install, the same... nothing works
07:55<slope>zas: write your entire message and *then* press enter. we don't need an update every 5 words :)
07:55<jm_>nvidia binary driver needs to be recompiled when kernel is upgraded
07:55<zas>slope, ok sorrry
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07:56<azeem>zas: so you want to reinstall?
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07:57<zas>if i wana reinstall, i wana with a upgrade kernel, no the kernel of stable (lenny), beacause i think, fixe this, will be a little dificult
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07:58<slope>zas: you can find iso in the first result here
07:58<azeem>zas: just read the ugprade notes next time
07:58<azeem>slope: eh, those aren't supported for user install
07:58<azeem>so please don't advertise using them
07:59<slope>azeem: really? how come?
07:59<azeem>because they are "testing"?
07:59<azeem>there hasn't even been an alpha release of the squeeze debian-installer yet AFAIK
08:00<slope>oh, that's what I used
08:00<zas>now i am download netinst
08:00<azeem>zas: please ask slope if any problems arise
08:00<slope>zas: you should probably listen to azeem, I didn't have any problems with my install but maybe I was lucky
08:01<zas>or maybe i had bad luck
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08:25<sdsdsd>guys, about grub2 (grubpc) why insmod ext4 doesnt works?
08:25<sdsdsd>what works is just insmod ext2 (ext3 doesnt works too)
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08:27<simmerz>hi. where is the best place to tell someone about an error on ?
08:27<sdsdsd>another question: i have listened about use /boot, /home and / in diferent partitions. Its better? Why?
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08:28<jpinx-eeepc>sdsdsd: /home separate because you can move it around
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08:28<simmerz>sdsdsd: thanks
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08:29<simmerz>sdsdsd: it's an error with the webpage, not with rubygems itself.
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08:30<tuxcrafter>does somebody know how i can render this page with iceweasel:
08:30<tuxcrafter>i tried google-chrome it show the page but some menu options do not work
08:30<sdsdsd>and about ext4 on grubpc? anyone knows?
08:31<sdsdsd>simmerz, try send an email on mailing-list
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08:33<simmerz>sdsdsd: ah, that might do the job. cheers
08:33<vishnuvardhan>hi all. i would like to purchase usb wlan card. can u please educate me to purchase one. i did some googling, but i am confused. if possible, suggest me an excellent wlan card.
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08:34<vishnuvardhan>moreover, i am willing to learn something about wifi by using backtrack
08:36<sdsdsd>vishnuvardhan, i dont know anout usb cards, but i use atheros wifi cards and it works well... excelent drivers for linux
08:37<gsimmons>vishnuvardhan: The supported devices (green) listed at should be suitable for use with Linux. Additionally, BackTrack is off-topic here.
08:38<vishnuvardhan>sdsdsd, thank u. i have ibm thinkpad r51 2887-mq5.
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08:39<sdsdsd>bye guys!
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08:39<vishnuvardhan>i have seen the page, but i got worried after reading Jean Tourrilhes page
08:39<vishnuvardhan>sdsdsd, bye
08:42<vishnuvardhan>i have come to conclusion that use of prism cards are better. please confirm.
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08:52<vishnuvardhan>thank u, bey all
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09:05<Harah>anyone know how to limit the bandwidth a lan ip can use if I use debian as a router
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09:28<fnmueller>hi, can someone please recommend a repo to me that contains a trustworthy and rather current lxde. lxde core does not seem to be in backports
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09:40<jd2>Hi people
09:41<damiank>hi jd2
09:41<jd2>can some one have a look at this please....
09:41<jd2>hi damiank
09:42<jd2>it constantly fails for me :(
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09:43<damiank>sorry i dont know
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09:44<jd2>no problem
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09:44<jd2>maybe someone else can help
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09:45<damiank>what is that?
09:47<jd2>its the log from the live-helper program
09:47<damiank>i dont know what live-helper does
09:47<damiank>i imagine :)
09:48<jd2>its a really neat program that lets you build custom versions of debian
09:49<jd2>but iv not got it to work yet!!
09:49<damiank>sorry i cant help with that i use debian 5.0.3 just from the standard installation
09:50<damiank>i dont bother with custom installs :)
09:50<damiank>maybe that live-helper has a channel somewhere where you can ask
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09:54<demo>anyone use antix?
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09:56<demo>anyways when i do sudo apt-get upgrade things get real hairy
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10:26<zandaa>hey guys, can't get my network to be properly initialized at boot-up..
10:27<Titan8990>zandaa, how did you configure it?
10:27<zandaa>Titan8990: well, I just want it to be configured by DHCP
10:28<zandaa>Titan8990: except I'm lost on Debian where-as on Arch you have it configured in /etc/rc.conf
10:28<Titan8990>zandaa, its /etc/network/interfaces
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10:28<Titan8990>zandaa, man interfaces for man page, or check out the section in the debian reference manual on it
10:28<Woet>Does someone have some examples for the command line options for pretty bandwidth graphs using 'rrdtool graph'?
10:29<zandaa>Titan8990: thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
10:29<Titan8990>zandaa, anytime :)
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10:30<zandaa>Titan8990: I don't get it though, /etc/network/interfaces reads "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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10:31<Titan8990>zandaa, is there an auto eth0 line?
10:31<weebl>Hello, when installing Debian I used a proxy to connect to the internet, now however I want it to not use a proxy, where are the settings saved?
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10:31<zandaa>Titan8990: there is now
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10:32<gsimmons>weebl: /etc/apt/apt.conf
10:32<weebl>But all my other applications use the proxy too...
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10:33<Titan8990>zandaa, ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
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10:36<zandaa>Titan8990: :D it works now
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10:37<Titan8990>zandaa, excellent
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10:38<zandaa>Titan8990: it's a bit bothersome to have a server machine that you need to manually run the dhcp client on each and every time :|
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10:39<zandaa><.< and even so it's better to have it static, I know
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11:14<gernot>Hi. Did anybody ever come across the problem that either the screen's dimensions or it's dpi are read/set wrong? I could change the dpi setting with an additional xrandr argument in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup, but my XDM login screen is unaffected by that and therefor still huge.
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11:15<sney>the xdm config file should have its own dpi line
11:16<sney>or rather its own X / xinit line, where you can put a dpi argument
11:16<sney>that will cover both xdm and your regular environment
11:17<sumit>Hi, can any one tell me how to repackage a .deb file after removing the dependencies?
11:18<themill>sumit: [16:17] <themill> sumit: /msg dpkg package
11:18<themill>sumit: and it's not something that's normally a good idea to be doing. Asking such a question normally indicates that you're approaching some other problem the wrong way.
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11:19<gernot>sney, thank you. I'll do a few searches trying to find out possible settings. I might be back though :)
11:20<sumit>Actually I just want to process.
11:20<sumit>Actually I just want to know the process.
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11:21<themill>sumit: you probably really mean to change the compilation process rather than the .deb that is produced. In that case, "/msg dpkg package recompile" is more useful.
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11:25<sumit>One of my showed me the process but I don't remember it . He first "wget" the package and then did dpkg -x, after that in one file he removed the dependency files name , then again repackaged it.
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11:28<TheApprentice>sumit: I don't know if you mean this, but I understand that you want to remove dependencies from 'control' file which is located in control.tar.gz in DEB package.
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11:29<peej_>what is chipcardd4 doing, eating 10% of my cpu? Part of libchipcard-tools package - tools for accessing chipcards
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11:30<peej_>do I need it for reading usb flashdrives etc?
11:31<TheApprentice>sumit: There is a line which begin with 'Depends:' and after it there are names of packages on which this package depends. But I think that you know this. Need anything other ?
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11:36<sumit>I can't the file after the extracted the package in one folder.
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11:38<TheApprentice>sumit: there should be file 'control.tar.gz' - when you extract it ... there should be '.' folder which contains files including 'control'
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11:40<sumit>TheApprentice: can you pls help me . There is no file with the name control.tar.gz
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11:40<sumit>I have downloaded a xchm.deb package through wget.
11:40<themill>sumit: why aren't you using aptitude for this?
11:41<sumit>And extracted it in a folder.
11:41<themill>"extract" is a difficult word here. "dpkg -x" and "ar x" both extract the contents of a .deb but in very different ways.
11:41<sumit>I I did dpkg -x
11:41<TheApprentice>sumit: I understand ... 'dpkg -x' extracts only data from package
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11:42<TheApprentice>not control
11:42<sumit>TheApprentice: so how do I do it then.
11:42<themill>what ever it is you are doing is doomed to failure....
11:42<TheApprentice>sumit: try as themill have written ... use 'ar x'
11:42<themill>sumit: what's wrong with "aptitude install xchm"?
11:43<sumit>Just wanted to test.
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11:43<sumit>I will ar x
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11:53<jla>Hi, I want to rebuild a local patched version of a package. The docs I'm finding online use dch -l (dch --local) to make a local version, but those options aren't documented and my dch says they are unknown on Etch. Would just using -v <existing-version>-mylocaltag do the same?
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11:53<jla>(arent documented on my version of dch)
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11:55<sumit>TheApprentice: dpkg -b is failing
11:55<Titan8990>jla, not 100% but i thought you just needed to change the version or append to it in the changelog prior to dpkg-buildpackage
11:56<sumit>TheApprentice: The error is failed to open package info file `test//DEBIAN/control'
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11:57<jla>I think you're right, and dch does changelog stuff too. I'm just lost for a moment if it's <existingver>-local or <existingver>~local, and if the new(er) dch --local local does more than just dch -v.
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12:05<TheApprentice>sumit: well you need to extract 'data.tar.gz' to some empty folder and in that folder create directory DEBIAN in which you should put files which 'control.tar.gz' contains (the content of the directory inside it - '.') and then do 'cd ..' and 'dpkg -b directory package.deb' where direcotry is the directory in which you heave your DEBIAN directory and data content and package.deb is created package name
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12:05<TheApprentice>sumit: I hope, I have written it right and understandable
12:06<Titan8990>TheApprentice, IIRC you have to change the version # or it will conflict with the package in the repos
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12:12<leo>hello all
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12:12<leo>i've broken my gnome setup somehow trying to install xmonad
12:13<leo>gnome works for the 1st 10 mins then stops - but alt tab works thankfully
12:13<leo>all panels are broken
12:14<leo>can someone please help me restore to working order?
12:16<gernot>What manual did you follow to install xmonad? You could just go through it backwards. For example set the appropiate strings with gconf from xmonad to metacity or delete the changed config files. AFAIK you don't need to change much for a xmonad installation so you won't have screwed up much.
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12:17<leo>how do i get into gconf?
12:18<leo>i followed a suggestion on here to use cabal-install
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12:19<leo>i think i changed something in gconf about the wm but i can't get it open again
12:19<gernot>leo, I don't really know. That's why I mentioned the tutorial/manual. If you didn't change anything there in the first place then you most likely won't have to change something now.
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12:19<leo>when i go gnome-panel i get "A panel is already running."
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12:20<leo>i remember deleting the reference to xmonad in some required attribute - leaving it blank
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12:21<TheApprentice>leo: try run gconf with: alt+f2 and type: gconf-editor ... or type: gconf-editor to shell / terminal
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12:22<leo>thanks TheApprentice
12:22<gernot>leo, maybe you could have a look at the xmonad wiki regarding Gnome and undo those settings where necessary. You can run gconftool-2 from a VT, too.
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12:23<leo>gernot, what's a VT?
12:24<gernot>A virtual terminal, since your GUI isn't working.
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12:24<leo>ah thanks - yes that's what i'm using now
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12:27<leo>aha i found it in config editor - desktop/gnome/session/required_components Name:windowmanager Value: (blank)
12:28<leo>should blank be set to 'gnome'?
12:28<leo>because it was on xmonad before
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12:31<leo>gnome-wm is the right setting
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12:54<peej_>which is better/the True Way/The Future on lan machines? updating local nameserver via ddns-update-in-dhcp or using zeroconf?
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12:59<leo>in /usr/share/gnome is default.session the same as default.wm?
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12:59<icio>hi ppl, i've a question about a synaptics/acpi/laptop problem, sometimes when I'm using my laptop on AC power the synaptics touchpad stops working (or works intermittenty). If I plug out the AC power it works again. Any idea what could be the problem (besides hardware)?
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13:00<salman>how to reconfigure X in debian after upgrading to squeeze?
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13:02<icio>salman, "Xorg --configure" or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
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13:02<leo>panels not responding - should i reinstall metacity?
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13:03<patrikf>icio: try reloading the psmouse module when the touchpad doesn't work
13:04<icio>ok, I'll try that, thnx patrikf
13:04<patrikf>icio: and look for suspicious messages in dmesg
13:05<mettao87>Hi guys, I have a problem with jack configuration. I'm following this page: , because I needed to install ffado too. (I have a firewire audio device). When I try to configure jack in the terminal the answer is: So, what can I do?
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13:06<leo>hmm killed metacity and now alt tab doesn't work - making me think metacity wasn't the problem
13:06<leo>what program is for gnome main menus and panels?
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13:11<icio>mettao87: it says that you have already jack installed, try check that or install debian's jack package
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13:12<Titan8990>leo, no a gnome user but I believe its gnome-panel or something similar
13:12<mettao87>icio: I never installed jack yet. In usr/lib I have a jack directory but I don't know why.
13:12<icio>patrikf: thnx, I didn't see anything unusual, but I found a old fedora bug saying the same thing - with no solution/fix :( (
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13:12<mettao87>icio: It this the warning in the pastebin important?
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13:13<leo>thanks Titan8990 - i just tried pkilling gnome-panel and got my menu bar back, but still no response
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13:15<patrikf>icio: sounds quite annoying. well, you could randomly try a rather old 2.6 kernel, see if it works there, and if it does, bisect the commit that caused it to fail
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13:25<leo>how do i restart X?
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13:26<jla>logging out and in should do enough for your session to restart. you can log out, go to terminal and stop/start your display manager if you want. gdm in this case
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13:27<jla>there is also ctrl+shift+backspace if you cant logout and things are borked
13:27<jla>hmm. was that it? :)
13:27<Titan8990>leo, depends on how its started
13:27<Titan8990>jla, not as of lenny
13:27<leo>i'm running gdm
13:27<Titan8990>leo, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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13:28<leo>thanks jla and Titan8990
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13:28<jla>Titan8990: which one, the keyboard shortcut or the x restarting on logout?
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13:29<leo>ctrl alt del works for logging out / shutdown etc
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13:29<jla>I didn't mean the "shutdown/reboot computer" one. there is (was?) one for killing x.
13:30<Titan8990>jla, yep, modern xserver does not have ctrl+alt+bkspc unless you manually put in your xorg.conf
13:31<jla>shows how long it's been since I've felt the need to give it the salute :)
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13:42<peej_>is there an "apt-get..." option that is equivalent to "aptitude show"?
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13:44<peej_>ah. apt-cache show
13:44<napoly>how to check that my kernel has module agpgart and drm??
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13:45<loudergood>modprobe -l
13:45<loudergood>modprobe -L
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13:46<leo>how do i install the gnome-wm.desktop file?
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13:52<jla>p.d.o says it's part of gnome-session and should be at /user/share/applications/gnome-wm.desktop
13:52<jla>in testing/squeeze
13:52<leo>running lenny stable
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13:54<leo>oh no my menus stopped working again
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13:55<jla>I'm not at a lenny desktop system to check. find/locate gnome-wm.desktop and try putting a copy at the location I mentioned
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13:55<jla>probably a bug report about the issue, if it's suppose to be there
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13:57<leo>i got bulk "(totem:3671): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: gnome_vfs_uri_new_private: assertion `text_uri != NULL' failed" errors in my .xsession errors
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14:04<leo>going to try nvidia drivers - may be a reinstall tomorrow
14:04<leo>jla, only thing with my gnome-wm file is it's a sh not .desktop
14:05*sh0t is away: Ho da fare
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14:07<leo>but i stuck it there anyway, not sure if will make any difference
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14:36<jidm>hi. is there any command to list all installed "leaf" packages? (those who are not a dependency for any other packages)
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14:39<weasel>jidm: deborphan
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14:45<jidm>weasel: thanks, using "deborphan -a" gave me a nice list of what i was looking for
14:46<dogi>hi weasel
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14:48<weasel>jidm: (orphaner provides a curses based interface to removing packages)
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15:02<Nazcafan>synaptic proposes an option for disabling the install of recommended packaged as a dependency
15:03<Nazcafan>is there a corresponding option within apt-get?
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15:05<wmaster>alguém do Brasil ?
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15:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:08<MrGlad>interesting you have a channel for that
15:08<MrGlad>debian popular among brasil users?
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15:10<peej_>is it ok to remove exim4 and friends from a box? do the messages still go into /var/spool/mail or what?
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15:11<valdyn>peej_: not ok, they wont
15:12<valdyn>( wtf is "and friends?" )
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15:12<peej_>bsd-mailx exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light mailx
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15:12<wmaster>yes... debian is the most used in Brazil, being the best use of facilitating
15:13<valdyn>peej_: technically you dont need mailx
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15:13<valdyn>peej_: not going to hurt you though and can be useful
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15:13<peej_>what are the downsides of exim4 removal?
15:14<valdyn>peej_: breaks cron
15:14<valdyn>!why an mta
15:14<dpkg>An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>.
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15:15<peej_>cron package remains if I remove exim4. But it breaks?
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15:16<valdyn>peej_: cron without error reporting is broken and useless
15:16<valdyn>peej_: but it runs
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15:16<mib_8toqug4c>hey, i got debian unstable minimalinstall cd 64 bit. how can i add another keyboard layout so i can switch between two layouts?
15:16<peej_>so if exim is gone, cron doesn't default to syslog or some other location?
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15:17<valdyn>mib_8toqug4c: the minimal install is good for nothing
15:17<peej_>actually, man cron says it logs to syslog.
15:17<valdyn>mib_8toqug4c: you must be using this computer for something, maybe you even have X
15:17<mib_8toqug4c>yea. lxde
15:18<valdyn>peej_: thats also true, but dpkg is right aswell
15:18<peej_>cron seems to only need mail if you specify mailto env variable.
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15:18<valdyn>peej_: thats wrong
15:19<peej_>valdyn, the man page is wrong?
15:19<valdyn>peej_: no, you said something wrong
15:20<peej_>ok, the full statement in the man page is: "When executing commands, any output is mailed to the owner of
15:20<peej_> the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the crontab, if such exists)" , so it does need mail.
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15:21<valdyn>peej_: language barrier?
15:21<peej_>so what I said was wrong.
15:21<valdyn>peej_: ok
15:22<peej_>just like to confirm things. It clears up loose ends ;-)
15:23*peej_ decides not to rip out exim
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15:29<KnoppiZhila>so... is it possible to execute the debian installer from within the KNOPPIX environment?
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15:33<Titan8990>KnoppiZhila, deboostrap
15:33<Titan8990>dpkg, wake up
15:33<dpkg>titan8990: I'm already awake! :)
15:33<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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15:34<KnoppiZhila>nice, something I've been spending weeks trying to find is immediately available to me the second I mention it to a living person, heheheheh
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15:39<KnoppiZhila>so... if I'm reading this correct, I use cfdisk (or any of the other partitioners available) to finish my disk, format the partition, mount the disk, then run debootstrap to install the system?
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15:43<n0h03rj>quick question. if i create a deb on my machine, can someone else use it on their machine or is will it only run on my hardware?
15:43<n0h03rj>...will it run on a different box with the same arch?
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15:52<Titan8990>KnoppiZhila, yes, you should use the documentation in the install guide, not the wiki as its much better
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15:53<Titan8990>n0h03rj, depends on your CFLAGS but for the most part, yes
15:53<daguilera>i have a question too please
15:53<daguilera>i want to make a .deb for a package so it could include all its dependencies .. i compiled all of the dependencies and finally compiled/install the package , and also build the .deb with checkinstall
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15:54<daguilera>the packaged did worked.. but some plugins which i compiled for it.. dont work
15:55*themill thinks daguilera should ask in one place at a time
15:55<daguilera>is there a better way to do this? im doing it wrong?
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15:55<Titan8990>daguilera, did you follow the maint guide at all?
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15:55<daguilera>yea i have read it but i dont finally understand if it is possible
15:55<daguilera>ive read that u cant include libs on a .deb
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15:56<daguilera>does it means that u cant include dependencies in that .deb ?
15:56<Titan8990>daguilera, the dependencies should be their own .deb
15:56<daguilera>sorry if i bother with this stupid questions
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15:56<daguilera>oh ok
15:57<Titan8990>daguilera, i would say that these are questions with #debian-mentors , which themill has indicated you have already cross-posted in
15:57<daguilera>i already ask there
15:57<daguilera>but no one reply me = /
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15:57<daguilera>tks to u for replying u are very kind
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16:02<Titan8990>daguilera, you have to be patient in that channel, support is slower
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16:04<daguilera>thank you Titan8990
16:05<daguilera>i understand. Titan8990 would u recommend me to read any other official debian doc as the maint guide ? which would help me to build packages
16:05<daguilera>is there other guide for it?
16:05<daguilera>maybe a tutorial
16:06<cockroach>hey. it seems when i updated from etch to lenny my postgres installation was not properly updated. that is, when i remove the old postgres-8.1 my data seems to be missing. any idea?
16:06<Titan8990>not that I know of, google is the best I can recommend
16:07<daguilera>thank you Titan8990
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16:20<jpinx-eeepc>daguilera: did you try /msg dpkg ssb
16:21<daguilera>oh no
16:22<jpinx-eeepc>daguilera: not sure if you can include the dependencies in the deb, but it might give you some ideas
16:24<KnoppiZhila>Titan8990: ah, yeah, the guide is better than the wiki, heheheh... so if I'm reading this correctly, I only need to mount what will be /, and not /home or /boot (those are my only three partitions, other than swap and /recovery)
16:25<Titan8990>KnoppiZhila, you will need to mount /boot when you install the kernel from a chroot.. e.g. if your mounted / to /mnt/debian you need to mount the boot partition to /mnt/debian/boot
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16:26<KnoppiZhila>Titan8990: but I can do all that after debootstrap, right?
16:27<Titan8990>KnoppiZhila, yes
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16:28<KnoppiZhila>alright, well, I'm leaving to pick up dinner right now, afterwards, I'll try this out, and ask again later if I run into trouble (I've never doen a chroot before, though I understand the concept a little bit, so I may need some help with that when I get to it)
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16:41<guillaume_>Hello, I empty my trash but even if the files were wiped, the trash icon stay full and when I fly over the trash applet with the mouse icon it display 28 files in the trash but after opening it, I get an empty folder. Any idea ?
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16:45<valdyn>guillaume_: rightlick to show hidden files?
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16:50<guillaume_>valdyn, yes but the folder is still empty
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17:15<colonel>hello! i run debian and after reboot i cant login, lots of errors like "bootclean: failure cleaning /var/run. failed"
17:15<colonel>any ideas?
17:15<colonel>get stuck at "starting enhanced syslogd: rsyslogd"
17:16<sney>is this a new install?
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17:16<colonel>after maybe 5 mins i get to login point but it doesnt accept my login
17:17<colonel>read-only file system is in every error during startup
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17:17<colonel>>sney: no it has been working
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17:18<sney>is /var on a separate filesystem?
17:18<sney>er, partition?
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17:18<sney>have you updated anything involved with booting lately, such as grub?
17:19<colonel>no, just reboot
17:21<sney>this is lenny, right?
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17:21<sney>what is the first error that happens?
17:22<colonel>no not lenny
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17:22<colonel>i dont know how to stop text flow during boot
17:22<faheem>colonel: what then?
17:22<colonel>its a lot of errors
17:23<faheem>i mean, what release/version?
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17:23<colonel>oh ok
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17:23<colonel>it says after a few minutes "debian GNU/linux 5.0 user tty1"
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17:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
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17:28<colonel>user login:
17:29<colonel>and when i tru too "root"
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17:29<colonel>usage: login [-p] [name]
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17:30<faheem>colonel: are you running sid?
17:30<colonel>don't know waht that is
17:30<faheem>colonel: debian unstable
17:31<faheem>from above sounds like lenny - the debian GNU/linux 5.0 bit
17:31<colonel>no debian debian-503-i386-netinst
17:31<faheem>colonel: ok, lenny then. new install?
17:31<colonel>no it has been working
17:32<colonel>rebooted today and cant login
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17:32<faheem>colonel: how long have you been using this install?
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17:33<faheem>installed any packages from testing/unstable? do you have the urls in sources.lst?
17:33<colonel>3 months (spelling?)
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17:33<colonel>its a server, just been running
17:33<faheem>colonel: that's a no on testing/unstable?
17:33<colonel>did not touch it since install
17:33<faheem>colonel: ok
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17:34<colonel>i need some files on it
17:34<colonel>how can i login?
17:34<faheem>colonel: you could boot with a live/rescue cd
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17:34<faheem>if you just want to get some files from it
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17:35<faheem>the install cd may be able to double as a rescue cd
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17:35<faheem>i forget if the netinst can do that - probably it can
17:35<colonel>can you tell me where to get it?
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17:35<colonel>i will try
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17:35<faheem>colonel: the install cd you booted off of
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17:36<faheem>look for a rescue mode
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17:37<marcOS>hi, im needing some java help, any knowing a channel ¿?
17:37<colonel>will try
17:38<faheem>marcOS: you've tried #java?
17:38<faheem>on freenode?
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17:39<marcOS>ill try faheem
17:39<enyawix>#web is also good
17:39<faheem>apparently there is one
17:39<don>Hello, I seem to have done a stupid thing - I removed lvm2 from a system that needs to boot from an lvm mount. Any suggestions for correcting this?
17:39<faheem>##java actually, but it won't let me on
17:40<enyawix>i learned php in #web
17:40<faheem>don: boot with a rescue cd
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17:40<faheem>then reinstall lvm2
17:40<don>So, I hit the Debian page and looked at the iso's but I didn't see the rescue for USB (system doesn't have CD).
17:40<don>Should I be looking harder on
17:41<faheem>don: ok, that probably won't work
17:41<marcOS>i cant get #java :S
17:41<don>I have a USB with the Debian installer on it already. If I could cancel the installer and just use the prompt with DHCP ethernet I would be good to go.
17:41<faheem>to be more precise, boot off some external kernel
17:42<faheem>don: unpack lvm2 manually into the system
17:42<faheem>then it should let you boot in and you can do a reinstall
17:42<faheem>not pretty, but it should work
17:42<don>Yeah, thanks faheem. Manual unpacking sounds tricky.
17:42<don>Any particular USB ready kernel you recommend?
17:42<faheem>don: you may just need a single binary
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17:43<faheem>don: the installer cd can double as a rescue cd
17:43<faheem>i'd start with that
17:43<faheem>what version of debian are you running?
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17:43<faheem>don: try the installer in rescue mode
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17:44<don>So, I couldn't find "rescue mode" - it goes right to graphical install. Do I need to hit some key combo to get to the shell?
17:44<faheem>most of the files in lvm2 don't look like they are used for booting
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17:45<faheem>don: there are a bunch of options you can select at the command line
17:45<faheem>does it boot automatically?
17:46<faheem>don: i assume the dependencies of lvm2 are still there?
17:46<don>Oh doh
17:46<don>Screen 1 of graphical.
17:46<don>Yeah, I think I purged lvm2 due to some conflict currently going on in sid with it and another package.
17:47<faheem>don: sounds nasty. suggest sticking to stable or possibly testing unless you are an expert
17:47<faheem>where expert means you are comfortable getting out of the messes unstable may drop you into
17:47<don>I am an expert.
17:48<faheem>don: that's good
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17:48<faheem>don: anyway, just copy in the files from lvm2 which the system might need
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17:48<faheem>unless someone here can think of a better method
17:49<don>OK, thanks for the recommendation faheem
17:49<don>That sounds like a safe way to go.
17:49<faheem>the problem is that you can't run off your own system, else you could just reinstall
17:49<faheem>lvm2 i mean
17:49<don>I guess I was just hoping there was something in the Debian installer / rescue that would more directly let me add debs to the system already on the drive.
17:50<don>Maybe there is something in here to allow me to just add a new kernel and grub entry.
17:50<don>No, nevermind - that doesn't solve the lvm issue.
17:50<faheem>don: you could do that. but you still need to mount your root partition
17:51<faheem>don: don't forget to install lvm2 if/when you can successfully boot
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17:53<don>OK, thanks.
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18:02<colonel>ok! did make it into linux File system trough rescue cd!
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18:03<colonel>how do i copy the files to my usb stick?
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18:05<jburns_>I just updated to squeeze and my fontconfig is busted, if I start pidgin, all characters come up as little squares. On a different note, my nvidia config died. Which nvidia package should I install to regain nvidia drivers for xorg?
18:05<jburns_>And of course, does anyone have an idea of what to do about fontconfig/pango issues?
18:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
18:07<jburns_>I get: (pidgin:20192): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a fond, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='common'
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18:15<colonel>ok really need help! i need to copy some files to my usb stick from rescue login
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18:15<colonel>when i type ls i get "segmentation fault"
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18:18<faheem>colonel: is the usb stick mounted?
18:19<faheem>i'm assuming yes. if so did you mount it manually?
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18:20<colonel>faheem: how do i know it is mounted?
18:20<faheem>colonel: df or mount
18:21<faheem>what command did you type for the copy exactly?
18:21<colonel>mount gives me "illegal instructions"
18:21<faheem>colonel: yikes
18:22<faheem>colonel: what about df?
18:22<colonel>df shows this:
18:23<faheem>colonel: !paste
18:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
18:24<faheem>colonel: just pastebin the whole thing
18:24<faheem>if you don't see an entry for the usb stick, it most likely isn't mounted
18:24<colonel>don't know what pastebin is! :)
18:25<faheem>colonel: see above (output of dpkg)
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18:26<colonel>when entering rescue mode it isn't as it used to be, i used mc (midnight commander) to navigate through file system but ist isn't start now
18:27<colonel>can't copy it since it is on another comuter..
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18:29<colonel>can i make my linux computer reachable through ssh or telnet?
18:29<colonel>when i am in rescue mode?
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18:30<faheem>colonel: you could stick your hard disk in another computer
18:31<colonel>windows maschine?
18:31<faheem>which would largely eliminate hardware issues too
18:31<faheem>colonel: pardon?
18:31<colonel>well hmm :) i only have wondows machines
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18:32<faheem>colonel: if you replace and boot off the disk with Debian on it, then your machine is a linux machine :-)
18:33<don>faheem: Thanks for the help earlier. For reference the shortest path to solving the issue seems to be: (1) run Debian installer up to the list of existing partitions to get networking and lvm going. (2) CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+2 to get a clean terminal (3) mount root partition from lvm to /mnt, boot partition to /mnt/boot (4) chroot /mnt (5) aptitude install lvm2.
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18:33<faheem>don: ah yes, didn't think of chroot.
18:34<faheem>that's a neat solution
18:34<don>Yeah, it is hard to think of all 5 steps at once up-front.
18:34<faheem>must remember that
18:35<don>Certainly I didn't do just that the first time though. :)
18:35<faheem>don: you just have a /boot and / partitions, i take it?
18:35<don>Seems like it should be generalizable to the problem of adding a .deb to a separate system though when booting from another.
18:36<KnoppiZhila>okay.... so I successfully (I believe...) installed debian via debootstrap, chroot into the install, added a few necessary packages (vim, firmware-ralink, grub, etc), and I have two issues now
18:36<don>Yeah, well I only needed to get the lvm stuff in my kernel config to get it booting again.
18:36<faheem>you probably didn't need to mount the boot partition
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18:36<don>I didn't at first but the scripts for lvm2 complained that it wasn't there.
18:36<faheem>don: right
18:37<faheem>don: i see
18:37<KnoppiZhila>first is that linux-image-2.6 gives some error during install (seems I still have the vmlinux file in /boot though, so not sure if that's an issue) and I'm not sure how to install grub into the partition boot sector
18:37<faheem>don: wonder if recipes like this are in the debian wiki - if not they should be
18:37<don>In reality I skipped it at first, then I did an aptitude reinstall lvm2 after mounting boot - it still complained about an empty /proc.
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18:37<Woet>The output of '/proc/net/dev', what datatype is it? bits? bytes? kbits? kbytes?
18:37<simonrvn>colonel: my condolences (for all those windows boxen)
18:38<Woet>already found it, it's bytes :)
18:38<don>Yeah, it is a nice convenience for Debian that .deps can be applied remotely like that.
18:38<don>".debs" sorry
18:39<faheem>KnoppiZhila: why did you install via debootstrip?
18:39<KnoppiZhila>faheem: because I can only get a network connection via KNOPPIX
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18:39<faheem>KnoppiZhila: you could do a network install
18:39<colonel>simonrvn: it's a love/hate relation
18:40*KnoppiZhila points faheem back to where it was stated only KNOPPIX was able to make a network connection
18:40<faheem>KnoppiZhila: sorry, i think i don't understand you
18:41<KnoppiZhila>I assume it's because my network card requires non-free firmware, which isn't distributed with debian netboot CDs, but is with KNOPPIX
18:41<faheem>KnoppiZhila: you mean the installer cannot get a network connection?
18:41<faheem>KnoppiZhila: oh, ok
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18:41<faheem>KnoppiZhila: try installing with a complete debian cd then.
18:42<faheem>fetch the non-free firmware, copy it in
18:42<faheem>assuming it is available for debian, that is
18:42<KnoppiZhila>well, I've already got a debootstrap install finished, I just need to install grub now, I just never have needed to before
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18:42<KnoppiZhila>faheem: should be part of firmware-ralink... I believe
18:42<MrGlad>what license is debian under?
18:43<faheem>KnoppiZhila: just install grub should work
18:43<faheem>you'll need to run grub-install or something to create a grub conffile
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18:44<faheem>MrGlad: debian's own software mostly uses the GPL
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18:44<MrGlad>awesome, so I can sell your guys hard work for big $$ legally
18:44<KnoppiZhila>faheem: okay... my /dev/ is blank in my chroot... how would I go about accessing /dev/hda and /dev/hda2?
18:45<faheem>KnoppiZhila: also, the debian installer will let you point to external firmware i think
18:45<faheem>KnoppiZhila: not sure of the top of my head
18:45<faheem>are you using udev?
18:45<faheem>this is lenny, i assume?
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18:45<faheem>KnoppiZhila: possibly generated as needed?
18:45<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
18:46<KnoppiZhila>my running environment is KNOPPIX 6, and the system I'm installing is sid
18:46<faheem>dunno. try rebooting into the new install
18:46<KnoppiZhila>I need grub installed before I can reboot into the new install though....
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18:46<faheem>KnoppiZhila: yes, apt-get install grub should work
18:47<KnoppiZhila>apt-get install grub will automatically install my bootloader then? if that's so, I'll try restarting now
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18:47<faheem>actually not sure if grub-install will create the config inside a chroot
18:47<faheem>probably not
18:47<faheem>you could create it by hand though
18:47<icarus>Help: Debian Squeeze NetInst installer. Does not recognize my Macbook Pro keyboard once the first ncurses dialog shows (external USB keyboards work) - any ideas on boot flags or anything ? (Ubuntu works fine in this regard)
18:47<faheem>KnoppiZhila: you need a /boot/grub/menu.lst
18:48<KnoppiZhila>if I can boot to grub, I know it enough to be able to launch linux
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18:48<faheem>KnoppiZhila: you'll have to hand enter stuff on grub command line. you might as well enter it into the file, where it will be saved
18:48<KnoppiZhila>yeah, that's true
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18:49<faheem>KnoppiZhila: not sure if this will work. never done anything like that
18:49<KnoppiZhila>before that....
18:50<faheem>you can always modify on the grub command line as necessary
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18:51<KnoppiZhila> that's the stderr from when I tried to install linux-image-2.6-686
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18:51<KnoppiZhila>not sure if it's a big problem or not, I still ended up with vmlinuz-2.6.31-1-686
18:52<faheem>KnoppiZhila: you'll need to deal with the /dev/pts not mounted error first
18:52<abrotman>bind mount ?
18:52<faheem>KnoppiZhila: yes, it is a problem. your kernel was not properly installed
18:52<KnoppiZhila>okay... that'd probably be best to fix before attempting a reboot, no? heheheh
18:53<faheem>KnoppiZhila: i think you may find doing a full debian install minus a network connection would be less painful
18:53<faheem>like i said, you can always add the non-free firmware later
18:53<icarus>No tips for how to detect a keyboard ? Any alternate kernels on the netinst cd's or anything ?
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18:54<abrotman> ?
18:54<abrotman>icarus: did you try the lenny installer ?
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18:57<abrotman>icarus: please keep it in the channel
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19:01<icarus>abrotman: ok. But no, I've only used sqeeze netinstall cd's so far. Because I've used a 32bit netinst cd for one laptop and a 64bit squeeze netinst for another. The Macbook (where I cannot use the keyboard once the installer has booted) is the third pc on which I'm going to install Debian
19:01<abrotman>icarus: i'm just saying that those netinsts are a work in progress .. hence .. testing
19:02<icarus>abrotman: so your suggestion is trying the lenny netinst cd ?
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19:03<abrotman>icarus: or a newer squeeze netinst if it exists
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19:05<icarus>Going to try off the Lenny netinst cd then. Just got it, burning it now. Hopefully that'll work
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19:09<NL-Colonel>ok, live cd doesnt seems to work, how do i get ssh or telnet gain to my discs easyest?
19:10<icarus>abrotman: hehe.. The Lenny cd doesn't even boot right. Guess Debian hates the Macbook Pro
19:11<abrotman> ?
19:11<MrGlad>icarus, I hate mac book pro too
19:11<icarus>that's mainly for the older macbooks, as far as I can see
19:11<icarus>MrGlad, Well, at the moment. So do I.. But the T61P's were out by the time I wanted a new laptop and the newer Lenovo's came with ATI so...
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19:13<abrotman>icarus: i just ordered a thinkpad with intel
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19:15<icarus>abrotman: most recent Lenovo's ship with a dual Intel/ATI solution. Or you may have ordered some of the smaller T400's ? But, if I could do things differently, I would.. I just can't
19:15<abrotman>icarus: dual video cards?
19:16<icarus>Yea. You haven't noticed ? Many Lenovo pc's come with an ATI chip for discrete graphics and a Intel chip for normal desktop usage.
19:17<abrotman>icarus: mine is just intel .. no ATI
19:17<icarus>Yea, either those were released slightly after the first T400/T500 I looked at or I missed them entirely when I placed my order. Anyway, if I had the money, I'd switch, I just don't. I'm stuck with this damnable alu-hell -_-
19:17<napoly>I have X-server 1.7 .. kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 .. i downloaded intel driver 2.7.1 .. according to (i have lenovo x200).. but i have no luck with instaling that intel driver.. i try to ./ seem ok.. than make.. but it says that no target defined.. PLS HELP!!!!
19:18<abrotman>napoly: isn't there in an INSTALL file ?
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19:18<abrotman>icarus: those have been on the site for ages
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19:19<napoly>abrotman: here's the instalation guide:
19:20<napoly>can u help me with that.. it's just to much on me.. i'm newbie
19:20<abrotman>napoly: is there a reason you're using lenny?
19:21<napoly>abrotman: do you want me to jump on squeeze?
19:21<abrotman>i'm just asking
19:21<abrotman>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
19:21<judd>abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.0-1 squeeze: 2:2.9.0-1
19:21<napoly>i had problems with it..
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19:23<napoly>judd: do you have Intel GMA X4500HD??
19:23<judd>napoly: Error: "do" is not a valid command.
19:23<PovAddict>how do I stop the backtick / grave accent from being a dead key?
19:23<PovAddict>I won't need to type any à
19:23<napoly>bot :/
19:24<PovAddict>!tell napoly about judd
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19:27<icebrain>hi. what's the best setup for audio in linux, with mixing?
19:27<skullbox2>anyone know of any open source solutions for event planning, in the sense of managing large scale scheduling of conference that can manage workshop signups and such?
19:28<avu>skullbox2, pentabarf
19:28<skullbox2>thats the name
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19:28<skullbox2>ah ty
19:28<PovAddict>weird name
19:28<skullbox2>lol ya
19:28<avu>it's been used to plan european hacker conferences for a few years now
19:28<avu>been written by some CCC folks
19:29<avu>(thus the name ;))
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19:31<skullbox2>avu have u ever used this software?
19:31<skullbox2>i am asking on behalf of the city department i work for
19:32<avu>only as a participant, not as an organizer
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19:33<muh2000>how te repair a broken sudoers file?
19:33<PovAddict>that's kinda vague
19:33<PovAddict>you just go and edit it
19:33<avu>(using visudo as root)
19:34<avu>using visudo usually helps you from installing a broken sudoers file in the first place, BTW
19:35<muh2000>yeah i edited it first with vi....
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19:36<PovAddict>visudo != vi
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19:36<hoo-hah>hi guys, is it possible to set extended keymaps in debian? Those found at /usr/share/keymaps/i386/include/
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19:37<muh2000>PovAddict: i know, that is why i am asking how to fix it... ;)
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19:37<avu>the name is quite misleading in fact, as it just uses your EDITOR
19:37<muh2000>it always complains about a syntax error...
19:38<PovAddict>so now you can't get root because of a broken sudoers?
19:38<muh2000>PovAddict: no, i cant get the sudoers file saved because it complains about a line.
19:38<hoo-hah>muh2000: you'd need to fix the syntax, then
19:38<hoo-hah>paste it somewhere
19:39<avu>(not in here though, use a pastebin)
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19:39<muh2000>it comlains about this line: root ALL=(ALL) ALL
19:40<hoo-hah>what's above/below it?
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19:40<muh2000># User privilege specificatio
19:40<muh2000>includedir /etc/sudoers.d
19:40<hoo-hah>in squeeze, that last line is commented out
19:42<muh2000>hoo-hah: but when i want to include?
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19:46<rektide>is there a "debian way" to setup S-NAT?
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19:59<faheem>muh2000: pastebin the whole thing
20:01<muh2000>faheem: ^^
20:01<faheem>muh2000: pastebin the error you got as well
20:01<phyrrus>oh, add %faheem ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:01<phyrrus>to the bottom
20:01<phyrrus>that will fix
20:01<faheem>am i dreaming, or did this pastebin do a popup?
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20:02<faheem>muh2000: recommend <- can do annotations
20:02<ootput>it's your crazy irc client at fault
20:02<faheem>ootput: talking to me?
20:02<faheem>muh2000: nothing obviously wrong with your /etc/sudoers
20:02<phyrrus>faheem: PM!
20:02<ootput>faheem: yer
20:02<muh2000>>>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 18 <<< faheem
20:03<ootput>faheem: or did you mean visiting the link produced a popup?
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20:03<faheem>ootput: yes
20:03<faheem>phyrrus: keep it in the channel, please
20:04<ootput>I don't see a popup, though that could be blamed on adblock
20:04<phyrrus>replace the user root in the file with your username save and your done!
20:04<phyrrus>do you understand?
20:04<faheem>muh2000: remove the last two lines
20:04<faheem>maybe it doesn't like the blank line
20:04<muh2000>faheem: it doesnt like the include line
20:05<faheem>muh2000: what is that for?
20:05<muh2000>faheem: including
20:05<faheem>muh2000: don't think so, # is a comment here
20:05<faheem>what is that for, anyway?
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20:05<ootput>muh2000: is there supposed to be a %sudo... line by default?
20:06<muh2000>the include question was a littlebit like that :D
20:06<muh2000>faheem: i want to remove the # and save the file, but it complains
20:06<ootput>an empty last line should not cause it to fail
20:07<faheem>muh2000: sorry, i'm wrong
20:07<faheem>yes, looks like the #include is the problem
20:07<ootput>muh2000: what are the contents of /etc/sudoers.d/ and perms on the files?
20:08<muh2000>ootput: only README because i deleted everything else i tried in that dir. permissions on sudoers are 440 root:
20:09<ootput>muh2000: where those removed files structurally sound?
20:09<faheem>muh2000: are you saying removing the #include line and the blank line before it still gives an error?
20:10<muh2000>ootput: i dont know. faheem: no.
20:10<faheem>muh2000: if you don't need the #include line, remove it
20:10<ootput>muh2000: what's $EDITOR ?
20:11<faheem>assuming it wasn't there originally
20:11<muh2000>faheem: i would like to add a sudoers in the include dir. or somewhere where it could work without me editing the files after any update.
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20:11<muh2000>ootput: vim now.
20:11<faheem>muh2000: i see. ok
20:11<faheem>no idea how that works, though. never done anything like that
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20:12<muh2000>basically i want to do that: (sudo §§)
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20:13<faheem>muh2000: i see
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20:14<faheem>muh2000: the link says nothing about /etc/sudoers.d/
20:14<faheem>is this something sudo supports?
20:14<faheem>was the directory there originally>
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20:15<MrNacar>Hi everyone, could please someone give some hints regarding NFS mounting problems? Well I hava a unfs3 server on the Debian home server
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20:15<muh2000>faheem: debian had that stuff out of the box
20:16<MrNacar>And I have a host with Kubuntu 9.10 installed with nfs-common
20:16<muh2000>howtos nearly never apply to my situation and whether the sudoers are configured in the main file or include file - shouldnt matter since the include file is well there to include additional stuff :)
20:16<MrNacar>I typed the /etc/exports in order to give permision to my Kubuntu host who will wants to mount
20:17<MrNacar>but allways get an error mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Nov 14 02:04:36 2009
20:17<MrNacar>mount.nfs: text-based options: 'nfsvers=2,addr='
20:17<MrNacar>mount.nfs: mount(2): Input/output error
20:17<MrNacar>mount.nfs: mount system call failed
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20:17<scientes>could it possibly work to move my system from ubuntu--> debian in place?
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20:17<scientes>how would i do it?
20:18<abrotman>do you have a separate partition for /home/ ?
20:18<faheem>muh2000:this feature looks fairly new -
20:18<scientes>i cant just boot off another device
20:18<MrNacar>Hi there people, I get an error trying to mount from Kubuntu with nfs-common against a Debian with unfs3
20:18<faheem>do you know where the documentation is?
20:18<scientes>i have to do it entirely from Linux
20:20<MrNacar>Hello everyone, could please someone give some hints in finding out why when I try to mount -t nfs destiny:/path /mnt/whatever gaves me allways as a resault
20:20<MrNacar>mount.nfs: mount system call failed
20:21<MrNacar>it expires the time out
20:21<MrNacar>but rcp, portmap and nfs
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20:21<MrNacar>are running in both DEbian as a Server and Kubuntu as a lan host
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20:22<MrNacar>no firewall is enabled as far it will not work without it
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20:24<MrNacar>I checked out also the file /etc/exports it has the next simple line: /home/path,no_root_squash)
20:25<PovAddict>how do I stop the backtick / grave accent from being a dead key?
20:25<PovAddict>in X
20:27<hoo-hah>any of you know how to enable use of extended keymaps at console?
20:28<muh2000>do i have to reboot in order to make new sudoers working?
20:28<PovAddict>muh2000: no
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20:29<ootput>muh2000: what was the issue?
20:29<nono>dpkg-reconfigure consol-data
20:30<muh2000> Fatal: setgid(123(postfix)) failed with euid=12(mail), gid=12(mail), egid=12(mail): Operation not permitted ootput
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20:30<ootput>no, regarding sudoers
20:30<nono>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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20:31<ootput>nono: TIAS
20:31<muh2000>ootput: i want to allow postfix/mail user to run deliver with the help of sudoers. mail ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver postfix ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver those are in my /etc/sudoers file
20:31<PovAddict>nono: is that for me?
20:31<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
20:31<debian-user-2494>i'm looking for a lightweight mail server to run on a lenny box that won't take up much resources and doesn't have a whole lot of dependencies.
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20:32<hoo-hah>abrotman: if that was meant for me, dialog menu does allow for setting extended keymaps
20:32<nono>i'm not so out...
20:32<hoo-hah>that I can see, anyway
20:33<nono>Ain't Me, Babe.mp3
20:33<ootput>nono: not interested
20:33<faheem>debian-user-2494: define lightweight
20:33<faheem>exim4 or postfix don't work for you?
20:33<debian-user-2494>dunno. haven't been using either
20:33<nono>ootput:no matter
20:34<debian-user-2494>i know about exim4
20:34<faheem>debian-user-2494: exim4 is the default.
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20:34<debian-user-2494>yeah. i removed it
20:34<faheem>debian-user-2494: why?
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20:34<nono>bad idea
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20:34<debian-user-2494>someone said i should
20:34<debian-user-2494>i never use it anyway
20:34<faheem>debian-user-2494: again, why?
20:34<faheem>debian-user-2494: the system does
20:35<debian-user-2494>i've never noticed any difference between having it installed and not having it installed
20:35<faheem>well it uses it to send messages
20:35<faheem>which presumably would not get sent
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20:35<debian-user-2494>what kind of messages?
20:35<debian-user-2494>messages to me?
20:35<PovAddict>a cronjob failed
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20:36<faheem>debian-user-2494: informational messages
20:36<PovAddict>that kind of messages
20:36<debian-user-2494>sounds like spam
20:36<faheem>typically to root or whoever is the designated receiver
20:36<hoo-hah>does debian's cron accept use of @hourly, @daily etc.?
20:36<faheem>if by spam you mean useful, then yes
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20:37<debian-user-2494>i did
20:37<debian-user-2494>mean useful
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20:38<hoo-hah>is there a frontend of sorts for enabling/disabling automatically started services?
20:38<abrotman>update-rc.d or rcconf
20:38<ootput>hoo-hah: rcconf or sysv-something
20:38<millennia>out of the 30+ debian cds, how many are likely to be needed most of the time if you don't want to download packages later?
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20:39<faheem>millennia: they are in order of descending popularity as defined by popcon
20:39<faheem>so the first few, roughly
20:39<faheem>but it does depend on personal usage
20:39<debian-user-2494>hey. can i install this? exim4-daemon-light
20:39<millennia>oh, ok
20:40<millennia>What's the least you can get to make sure debian will install properly on your machine
20:40<PovAddict>the first one
20:40<faheem>millennia: the first should be enough for a base install, unless you have unusual hardware or something
20:40<PovAddict>although I heard dialup utilities are in the second
20:40<faheem>i'd check that up front if possible
20:41<PovAddict>I use netinstall anyway :)
20:41<millennia>I'm behind a firewall most of the time, doesn't make netinstalls easy
20:42<PovAddict>a firewall that doesn't allow HTTP downloads? you might as well disconnect from the network
20:42<millennia>so debian netinstalls are http? (some other os varients aren't)
20:42<MrGlad>http is overrated
20:43<faheem>millennia: whatever you want to use as the apt transport, https, http, ftp i think are supported in sid
20:43<PovAddict>millennia: or FTP
20:43<faheem>but http is standard, yes
20:43<PovAddict>millennia: netinstall doesn't mean you boot from the network
20:43<MrGlad>btw I read on the site debian wants so much donations to pay for hosting, but what about bittorent?
20:43<PovAddict>millennia: you boot from a 100MB CD and then it downloads packages over HTTP or FTP
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20:44<millennia>I've just given up on trying to install slackware, and no one on their channel could tell me what the problem was
20:44<MrGlad>people will get it alot faster and more reliable vs firefox crappin half way out
20:44<MrGlad>and takes the burden off 1 server
20:44<PovAddict>MrGlad: for CD downloads, sure, that's what most people use actually
20:44<MrGlad>what does debian need to host then, its main site?
20:45<PovAddict>MrGlad: for package downloads... I can currently download several packages in the time it takes BitTorrent to just contact the tracker
20:45<faheem>there is experimental support for apt using bittorrent
20:46<faheem>but it is not widely used afaik
20:46<millennia>not completely usual hardware, but close- I've got an all-scsi system, except for a firewire card, on a dual pentium 3
20:46<MrGlad>povaddict I max out with anything linux using utorrent to over 1.5mbs
20:46<faheem>not in the main apt package, to be clear
20:46<MrGlad>in a few seconds
20:46<hoo-hah>abrotman: any other thoughts on the extended keymaps issue?
20:46<PovAddict>MrGlad: sure, it's fast
20:46<PovAddict>MrGlad: but how long does it take to *start*?
20:46<MrGlad>lot faster than a website, and firefox craps out alll the time
20:46<MrGlad>so downloads lost
20:46<hoo-hah>google is proving useless too
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20:46<PovAddict>who the hell would download a big file using firefox anyway?
20:46<faheem>millennia: i'd just try with the first cd, but a netinstall would probably be fine too
20:46<MrGlad>pov not long, because so man users share
20:47<PovAddict>use a download manager that supports resuming
20:47<MrGlad>povaddict the same people who provide the link for browsers to download direct?
20:47<ootput>hoo-hah: find out which package provides those same includes, and see if the package also contains any documentation
20:47<abrotman>hoo-hah: that wasn't for you
20:47<PovAddict>MrGlad: it takes time to connect to the tracker, ask who's sharing, then connect to several of them (many of which maybe aren't online anymore), exchange metadata, and start downloading
20:48<MrGlad>not that much time
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20:48<PovAddict>longer than it takes me to download some packages
20:48<MrGlad>if your torrent client does, perhaps you should try an alternative
20:48<PovAddict>for a 3GB CD image, of course BitTorrent is good
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20:49<PovAddict>but to download 42 packages totalling 11MB (each doing all that startup overhead of BitTorrent)?
20:50<millennia>does debian use the ash shell in it's install?
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20:50<MrGlad>well the big point is, theres an alternative and debian doesnt constantly have to ask for donations
20:50<MrGlad>i think its more of a control/power thing for the heads
20:50<PovAddict>MrGlad: there's also the issue that many people *don't* use BitTorrent even for 3GB disc images
20:50<PovAddict>MrGlad: or maybe download all 14 CDs uselessly
20:51<MrGlad>povaddict they should start, even browsers like opera have torrent support built in
20:52<millennia>some isps deliberately slow down torrents in particular
20:52<MrGlad>well the creators of bittorent created a neat throttling thing that should drastically help isps yet not effect users speed
20:53<MrGlad>so everyone wins
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20:53<nono>transmission works
20:53<millennia>I heard about that, but the isps aren't too trusting
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20:53<PovAddict>I think giving lots of priority to local users (less routing steps) is a big win
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20:54<PovAddict>if enough people in my country have the file, why get the data from another continent?
20:54<PovAddict>(especially if people in that other continent are downloading from people in my country :P)
20:55<MrGlad>its a shame the creator of napster didn't captialize
20:55<MrGlad>he could be a billionaire right now
20:55<MrGlad>anyway, linux needs to focus on bittorent, ive never seen anything download as fast as distros
20:56<millennia>those debian discs might be music in disguise
20:56<MrGlad>its incredible how much bandwidth people provide for the cause
20:56<millennia>grand theft music
20:57<millennia>thanks for the answers
20:57<millennia>hopefully debian will work for me
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21:03<benji_>Hi, is this good "2346 frames in 5.0 seconds = 469.064 FPS" ?
21:03<benji_>Because when I move any window, it's damn slow
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21:04<nono>glxgears -info
21:04<nono>glxinfo | grep direct
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21:05<nono>grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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21:05<nono>glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)"
21:05<benji_># glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)"
21:05<benji_>server glx vendor string: SGI
21:05<benji_>server glx version string: 1.2
21:05<benji_>client glx vendor string: SGI
21:05<benji_>client glx version string: 1.4
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21:07<benji_>xorg.conf does not use nv
21:07<benji_> <= xorg.conf
21:08<benji_>is there a automated tool for configuring this?
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21:10<nono> Identifier "Device0"
21:10<nono> Driver "nvidia"
21:10<nono> VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation"
21:11<nono>Load "dbe"
21:11<nono> Load "extmod"
21:11<nono> Load "type1"
21:11<nono> Load "freetype"
21:11<nono> Load "glx"
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21:12<saTTY>hi debhelper
21:12<davi>Will the next Debian release include 3D support for the AMD's series R600 and R700 GPUs?
21:13<saTTY>is KDE 4.3 is available for debian Lenny
21:13<saTTY>any repo ?
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21:13<PovAddict>the repo is called 'testing' or 'squeeze' :P
21:13<icebrain>davi: yeah, 2.6.32 will probably be shipped with squeeze:
21:14<nono>Kde 5.48
21:14<adb>5.48 ?
21:14<saTTY>single package of KDE 4.x for debian lenny
21:15<abrotman>!tell saTTY about kde4
21:16<benji_>nono could you pastebin that for me?
21:16<saTTY>i need KDE 4 for debian lenny
21:16<PovAddict>saTTY: see what dpkg told you
21:16<abrotman>!tell saTTY about kde4
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21:17<saTTY>abrotman, PovAddict ; I need single file .deb file becoz i can't configure every system to install all those packages via net
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21:18<PovAddict>you can't get all of KDE in a single .deb
21:18<adb>single command ?
21:18<saTTY>at least base and core system ?
21:18<PovAddict>and any KDE program will depend on half a dozen KDE/Qt libraries, which will be in different .debs :P
21:19<nono>kde-core 5:47
21:19<saTTY>it means , i need to install each package separatly , right ?
21:20<saTTY>1. kdelibs
21:20<saTTY>2. QT
21:20<PovAddict>qt before kdelibs
21:20<saTTY>then rest
21:20<PovAddict>to give an example:
21:20<PovAddict>kwrite depends on kdebase-runtime, kdelibs5, libqtcore4, libqtgui4
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21:21<saTTY>means ; libqtgui4 at first then rest packagess
21:21<nono>kde-core 5:48
21:21<PovAddict>kdebase-runtime depends on kdebase-runtime-data, libplasma3, four more qt libraries, libsoprano4, and on a phonon backend
21:22<PovAddict>phonon-backend-xine depends on libxine1
21:22<PovAddict>and once you see libxine1 dependencies (recursively), the idea of installing .debs by hand with dpkg will go away
21:23<PovAddict>saTTY: are all machines networked?
21:23<PovAddict>from what I said above, I'm assuming you want to install KDE4 on more than one
21:23<PovAddict>what you said* :P
21:24<PovAddict>not even on a LAN?
21:24<saTTY>yeah !
21:24<PovAddict>(even if no internet)
21:24<saTTY>i have one system with net ; rest are stand alone un-networked system
21:27<PovAddict>note that is kde4.1 btw
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21:28<saTTY>can i build latest KDE 4.4 on my debian Lenny
21:28<PovAddict>frmo source? maybe
21:28<saTTY>yup ^
21:28<PovAddict>but you may have to rebuild some dependencies too
21:29<PovAddict>KDE4.4 needs a version of Qt that isn't even in squeeze yet
21:30<icebrain>that will probably end up a mess. Backporting such a huge suite isn't easy
21:30<saTTY>means i can't build it on lenny , right ??
21:30<PovAddict>saTTY: means maybe you can, but you will have to recompile Qt as well!
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21:30<PovAddict>what icebrain said :)
21:30<nono>keep cool
21:30<nono>install lenny
21:30<icebrain>And then Qt will require other deps, and so on :)
21:31<PovAddict>before you know it, you installed squeeze from source :)
21:32<PovAddict>is there any system to build (pieces of) Debian from source a la gentoo btw?
21:32<dpkg>methinks apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
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21:32<PovAddict>currently if I do "apt-get -b source kwrite", it will get me only kwrite source, and download its dependencies as binaries
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21:34<nono>depots multimedia?
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21:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
21:37<MrGlad>thats funny
21:37<MrGlad>you got a france and brasil debian channel
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21:38<PovAddict>why funny?
21:38<PovAddict>there are channels for lots of languages
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21:39<nono>apt-key fingerprint
21:41<MrGlad>why funny? because its so random
21:41<MrGlad>like who prepares for that
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21:41<abrotman>MrGlad: there are lots of people that don't speak english very well .. and having tons of people in here speaking different languages would get very confusing
21:42<PovAddict>you say it as if speaking another language was a rare thing
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21:42<MrGlad>have two channels already made specifically for their language is a rare thing
21:43<abrotman>MrGlad: uhm .. not at all .. lots of large support channels do this
21:43<diaboluslamia>hello to all, I've a question. If you use the debian Lenny install CD and remove the main system and desktop environment, exactly what get's installed?
21:44<PovAddict>just enough to leave you a working system and to let you install more packages later
21:44<abrotman>diaboluslamia: not much .. but a bootable system
21:44<PovAddict>I don't even know what 'main system' really installs
21:45<nono>main=debian no matter
21:45<PovAddict>nono: stop spewing random messages
21:45<hoo-hah>PovAddict: they're gems
21:46<abrotman>PovAddict: that would be why the language channels exist :)
21:46<diaboluslamia>hahaha, I've been wondering this for some time now, basically, I'm gonna install debian on a very old computer and I neede to find out what the minimum install would be as long as I'm able to use dpkg and aptitude to install anything I need later on
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21:47<debian-user-2494>is the package exim4-daemon-light a debian/ubuntu only package? i'm only finding it in debian/ubuntu repos
21:47<nono>oki sorry
21:47<sney>debian-user-2494: debian or ubuntu? which one?
21:47<abrotman>debian-user-2494: debian and ubuntu are not the same distro
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21:48<debian-user-2494>'s more of an exim question than debian really
21:48<sney>it's a confusing question is what.
21:48<PovAddict>debian-user-2494: I think it's just exim configured in a particular way, not a different program
21:48<ootput>naming convention is all
21:48<diaboluslamia>does anyone know if I remove main system and desktop environment from the install menu on the cd, dpkg and aptitude will be insalled anyway?
21:49<sney>diaboluslamia: yes, that would install the core system only
21:49<PovAddict>diaboluslamia: yes of course
21:49<diaboluslamia>oh, good
21:49<PovAddict>in the past, aptitude wasn't installed
21:49<PovAddict>so you had to apt-get install aptitude
21:49<hoo-hah>wasn't that like ages ago
21:49<PovAddict>nowadays, even installation of the minimal system *uses* aptitude
21:49<hoo-hah>pre-sarge, even?
21:50<PovAddict>hoo-hah: maybe I'm remembering from an old ubuntu, not an old debian
21:50<PovAddict>what was the name before sarge?
21:50<hoo-hah>woody? I forget
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21:51<saTTY> ^ ++
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21:51<diaboluslamia>just one more question, I use gnome and network-manager-gnome to connect to the internet, I don't know how to connect via terminal, can anyone tellme what I need to install to do so, or where can I find a tutorial on that?
21:52<hoo-hah>man interfaces
21:52<saTTY>wvdial ^
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21:52<PovAddict>how do you connect to the internet?
21:52<PovAddict>dialup? ethernet? wifi?
21:52<diaboluslamia>I've used wvdial for my mobile broadband, but don't know how to use it for wireless or ethernet
21:52<saTTY>type of connection ??
21:52<diaboluslamia>right now through wireless
21:53<PovAddict>wvdial is *for* dialup, you can't use it for other things
21:53<abrotman>nono: please be quiet
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21:56<diaboluslamia>truth be told, I have no idea on how to connect once I set up debian without a desktop environment?
21:56<abrotman>connect to what ?
21:56<PovAddict>I dunno about wireless
21:56<PovAddict>I have a network card, connected via ethernet
21:56<sney>diaboluslamia: it'll involve ifconfig, dhclient, and possibly iwconfig as well if you're using wireless
21:57<PovAddict>it gets set up with DHCP automatically
21:57<PovAddict>works out of the box
21:57<PovAddict>(except I then change it to use a static IP instead)
21:57<sney>and sometimes that works too ^
21:57<icebrain>just install Wicd and use wicd-curses
21:57<sney>icebrain: isn't wicd still squeeze-only?
21:57<icebrain>sney: hmm, I don't know :|
21:57<sney>judd: versions wicd
21:57<judd>sney: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: squeeze: squeeze: sid:
21:58<diaboluslamia>that's strange, for some reason my debian installation does not connect to the internet right out of the box
21:58<diaboluslamia>I have to install network-manager
21:59<diaboluslamia>or wvdial if I want to use mobile broadband
21:59<MrGlad>debian doesnt detect my wireless usb linksys adapter(atleast 5 years old), ndiswrapper didnt help
22:00<MrGlad>what I do minus gettin a pci adapter? :(
22:00<sney>if it's 5 years old, maybe there is an actual driver for it now? just one you'd have to build yourself with module-assistant if it's not in the installer kernel
22:00<sney>the page on Wifi has a list of supported and semi-supported adapters
22:01<gsimmons>MrGlad: What specific model and version/revision is your device?
22:02<MrGlad>its a ciso linksys wireless usb adaptor with speedboost
22:02<MrGlad>version is idk
22:02<MrGlad>think its 2
22:02<sney>there will be numbers and things on it, probably on the bottom
22:02<MrGlad>its stock firmware, no upgrades
22:02<abrotman>MrGlad: flip it over .. should have a model on the bottom
22:02<icebrain>MrGlad: run "lspci -nn|grep Network"
22:03<ootput>MrGlad: try passing lspci -n to
22:03<ootput>hm, actually, I'm not sure if that applies to peripherals
22:03<abrotman>icebrain: it's USB
22:03<MrGlad>Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter with SpeedBooster v2
22:03<icebrain>oh, sure, silly me
22:04<gsimmons>MrGlad: Is "WUSB54GSC" written anywhere?
22:05<MrGlad>its hard to see in my bat cave, lights kinda dim, please hold
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22:05<abrotman>turn up the brightness on the monitor!
22:05-!-adb [~adb@] has joined #debian
22:06<hoo-hah>lights already dim
22:06<MrGlad>54g s v2
22:06<MrGlad>no c
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22:10<MrGlad>gsimmons you there buddy?
22:11<gsimmons>MrGlad: Connect it and pastebin the output of lsusb somewhere.
22:12<MrGlad>thats the prob, its not even detecting it
22:12<MrGlad>like it doesnt exist in debian world
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22:12<MrGlad>the little green light is on, on the adapter so its workin
22:12<MrGlad>heres the messed up thing, like in vmware debian works fine
22:13<MrGlad>I was thinking couldnt the debian team do that themselves? not a vm
22:13<MrGlad>but make it so any hardware works like that
22:13<PovAddict>in vmware inside what OS?
22:14<MrGlad>no liek I run debian instead vmware and I can get online fine cause vmware tells debian my adapter is whatever generic crap that works with everything
22:15<MrGlad>cant debian do this itself?
22:15<PovAddict>you install debian inside vmware?
22:15<PovAddict>and vmware is running in what OS?
22:15<MrGlad>I did, and I have one on a hardrive
22:15<PovAddict>it can't run by itself on an empty computer...
22:15<MrGlad>vmware host os is win xp and client is debian, that works fine, the debian on my harddrive standalone cant get online
22:16<PovAddict>well duh
22:16<PovAddict>that works because Windows has drivers
22:17<PovAddict>VMware pretends to be some supported generic device to debian, and when debian tries to do something with it, vmware just passes it off to Windows
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22:17<debian-user-2494>hello. what kind of a mail daemon is mutt or pine or exim??
22:17<PovAddict>they aren't
22:18<PovAddict>mutt is not a daemon, it's a mail client
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22:19<faheem>debian-user-2494: exim is a mail transport agent
22:19<MrGlad>povaddict, :(
22:19<nono>mail transfert agent
22:19<faheem>mutt and pine are mail user agent
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22:20<sney>nono is like a crazy bot that occasionally says things on topic
22:20<faheem>so MTA vs MUA
22:20<faheem>also called mail clients
22:20<PovAddict>sney: but can't speak a complete sentence
22:20<faheem>MUAs I mean
22:21<MrGlad>i wanna use debian as a real os, not just a hobby os, but its not makin this easy for me
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22:24<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: unfortunatly, linksys rebrands loads of different devices and keeps the same product number; without the output from lsusb, no one can tell you what you've actually got.
22:24<sney>PovAddict: few bots can
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22:25<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: once you've got the output from lsusb, you can use google or similar to figure out which driver and/or firmware you need to make the card work.
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22:25<MrGlad>dondelelcaro isnt ciso a open source company?
22:25<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: no
22:25<faheem>MrGlad: it is possible to buy another device.
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22:25<faheem>probably not even that expensive
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22:25<sney>he probably has a laptop or lives in the third world or something
22:25<dondelelcaro>well, your device may actually work, but there's no way for us to tell us whether it does or not.
22:25<MrGlad>faheem this one was $60 and I shouldn't have to buy another device because debian doesnt like my existing
22:25<sney>alberta in the house
22:25<faheem>if you consider the cost of screwing around with the device
22:26<MrGlad>keep in mind this things like 5 years old
22:26<MrGlad>and extremely popular
22:26<skullbox2>sney: ? u in alberta?
22:26<PovAddict>MrGlad: why do you blame it on debian?
22:26<abrotman>MrGlad: we need to know the chipset or the USBID
22:26<faheem>MrGlad: well, depends on what value you put on your time
22:26<sney>I am in the better part of alberta
22:26<MrGlad>because it works with mac and win fine?
22:26<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: sure, it may be, and it may even work... but we can't figure it out without more information.
22:26<PovAddict>blame the manufacturer for not making a driver themselves
22:26<PovAddict>MrGlad: oh yeah, it's Linux's fault if popular games don't work on it, right?
22:26<MrGlad>runs ok on mac and win
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22:26<MrGlad>your not hearin me, it runs on mac
22:26<MrGlad>thats unix based
22:26<skullbox2>sney: im in edmonton foo
22:26<MrGlad>so its not "linux" ingeneral its debian
22:26<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: sure, because linksys wrote drivers for it; they may not exist for linux.
22:27<faheem>MrGlad: ok, if you are using it on multiple OS's I retract my remark
22:27<PovAddict>MrGlad: mac is not linux
22:27<sney>skullbox2 oh that's too bad
22:27<MrGlad>mac is unix based
22:27<skullbox2>sney: where u at?
22:27<MrGlad>and same ball park
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22:27<sney>calgary ofcourse
22:27<faheem>you probably don't want to figure out something on multiple OS's
22:27<PovAddict>MrGlad: so what? drivers have nothing to do with being unix or not
22:27<faheem>i was assuming you were using mostly linux
22:27<skullbox2>pffft flamin fag
22:27-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
22:27-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by dondelelcaro
22:27<abrotman>skullbox2: do you need help with Debian?
22:27<MrGlad>you're telling me its my devices fault, or the company who made its fault
22:27-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
22:27-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
22:27<PovAddict>Mac is based on BSD, but you can't even use BSD drivers there; Mac driver system is totally different
22:27-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by dondelelcaro
22:28<PovAddict>and so is Linux's
22:28-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
22:28<abrotman>MrGlad: you really need to give us the device model or chipset ..
22:28<MrGlad>you all know linux has an infamous reputation for lack of driver support, being it owns 3% of 100% thats not hugely suprising, im not blamin fingers
22:28<MrGlad>im tryin to fix things
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22:29<faheem>MrGlad: did you give the output of lsusb?
22:29<dondelelcaro>MrGlad: again, it's quite possible that Debian actually supports your device. However, without you telling us the output of lsusb, we can't help you.
22:29<MrGlad>no i have to restart it
22:29<abrotman>MrGlad: and we're asking for information to help you .. but you're not really being very forthcoming
22:29<MrGlad>I was typing,and I have to wait for it to boot
22:29<MrGlad>is on a older machine
22:29<MrGlad>pentium 1 :D!
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22:30<abrotman>should just take a minute or 10 ...
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22:31<MrGlad>ugh now im gettin a fatal error
22:31<sney>abrotman, MrGlad: a little digging on my part reveals that usb wifi thing to be of the bcm43xx family.
22:31<MrGlad>says FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-versatile
22:32<abrotman>sney: five years old ?
22:32<sney>he could be wrong.
22:32<sney>the usb id from the linksys windows driver package matches the listing on w.d.o
22:32<dondelelcaro>sney: unfortunatly, linksys often rebrands multiple devices with the same model number.
22:33<sney>dondelelcaro: that's true, but I think their own driver package is (probably) conclusive enough
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22:33<sney>WUSB54GSv2.inf reports: USB\VID_13B1&PID_0014
22:34<sney>searching for 13b1:0014 gives me broadcom.
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22:34<gsimmons>Which would explain ndiswrapper difficulties if the device was already claimed by rndis_wlan.
22:35<dondelelcaro>sney: yeah, v2 could be broadcom, just wasn't sure whether it actually was v2.
22:35<sney> <MrGlad> 54g s v2
22:35<sney>my work here is done.
22:37<faheem>sney: debian has searchable device databases these days? when did that happen?
22:37<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, (PCI verification only),, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>.
22:37<sney>around the advent of web 2.0 I guess
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22:37<MrGlad>where can I get a list of channel bot cmds
22:37<PovAddict>there are thousands
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22:38<icebrain>!tell MrGlad about dpkgbot
22:38<MrGlad>how do you know
22:38<faheem>abrotman: yes, i'm aware these exist, but they did not use to be in a db that i recall
22:39<MrGlad>you guys considered a cross network channel bot?
22:39<MrGlad>that relays messages back and forth?
22:39<abrotman>faheem: kmuto has one that does PCI ..
22:39<abrotman>MrGlad: that'd be awful .. the #debian on freenode is way busier
22:39<MrGlad>well i'm sure questions overlap
22:39<MrGlad>and alot more can be helped at same time
22:39<sney>we have a lot of overlap anyway
22:40<faheem>ok, isn't an actual db.
22:40<sney>and debian expertise isn't exclusive to OFTC
22:40<sney>faheem: it's a flat database :)
22:40<MrGlad>sney thats why the channel bot would relay both ways
22:40<MrGlad>so freenode users can answer
22:40<MrGlad>and here
22:40<faheem>sney: :-)
22:41<sney>MrGlad: I think it would just be a lot of spam and not a lot of helping
22:41<faheem>MrGlad: this channel is chaotic enough as it is
22:41<MrGlad>I dont think so, considering they can read what you say
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22:41<MrGlad>this is chaotic to you?
22:42<faheem>MrGlad: yes
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22:42<MrGlad>having cross network chan mute,ban etc ability would be neat too
22:42<MrGlad>via the bot
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22:47<silvering>hi guys, i installed Urban Terror on mu debian and i love it, but everytime when i quit from it my resolution is changed from 1024x768 to 640x480
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22:48<tribal>where are the Brasilians
22:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:49<sney>hue hua hue etc
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22:51<Nemoder>silvering: strange, maybe the game is crashing instead of resetting res and exiting. you could run the game from a script and add 'xrandr -s 0' at the end to force reset it
22:52<silvering>Nemoder its not only this game, its every game, no matter if i run it with wine or its native
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22:53<Nemoder>silvering: what videocard? you might want to check the xorg log and see if it's having problems
22:53<abrotman>he could use xrandr to switch back
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22:53<silvering>Nemoder radeon 9550
22:53<warren_>hey is ubuntu server edition based on debian?
22:53<silvering>xorg is empty
22:54<Nemoder>ah ati..
22:54<lennhix>puedo crear un enlace simbólico del directorio /lib a /home/lib?
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22:54<franki^>ubuntu is based on debian full stop, i believe that the server edition is just a different subset of the standard repositories
22:54<franki^>disclaimer: i've never used ubuntu server edition
22:54<abrotman>warren_: ask #ubuntu on freenode, not us
22:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:55<warren_>okay so all the programs I have come to love with ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition will still be there?
22:55<abrotman>warren_: ask #ubuntu on freenode, not us
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23:00<MrGlad>does ubuntu existing upset you guys?
23:00<Nemoder>only when people try to get support for it in #debian :)
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23:02<brunner>I've used tzselect twice now to set the timezone on my sever, and the changes still aren't sticking. What could I be doing wrong?
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23:02<abrotman>the timezone isn't sticking or the time isn't sticking ?
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23:02<franki^>i thought you were supposed to do "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"?
23:04<gsimmons>brunner: From the tzselect(1) man page: "Note that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you."
23:05<brunner>actually, the time is sticking, but MySQL is still using UTC for NOW()
23:05<brunner>yeah, but whatever I did set the proper time
23:05<brunner>MySQL just isn't using it
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23:14<jmarsden>brunner: Did you restart the MySQL daemon after making the time zone change?
23:15<brunner>I just did, and that fixed it. Thank you!
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23:49<eidosmatrix>hi people, i'm having problems to detect a old isa network card on installation process of lenny, somebody can tell me where i can ask for it?
23:49<abrotman>eidosmatrix: i doubt it has the isapnptools or if they would still work
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23:52<eidosmatrix>ok, so i need a new card, because my realtek die and i found this old card on my garage hehe
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23:52<abrotman>eidosmatrix: yeah .. it's probably not worth the effort
23:52<dpkg>isapnptools is probably a package previously used to configure ISA plug-and-play (PnP) devices, only useful for kernels < 2.4. Removed from Debian post-Sarge to resolve bug #318359.
23:52<abrotman>oh .. seems to imply they aren't needed anymore
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23:53<hoo-hah>I see the following message while working with odd apt tools. dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' Can it safely be ignored?
23:53<hoo-hah>(in Squeeze)
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23:54<abrotman>for now, yes
23:54<abrotman>hence .. warning
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23:55<eidosmatrix>is my first time with debian, i'm a little confused
23:55<abrotman>so you picked broken hardware? :)
23:55<hoo-hah>suits it :)
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23:55<hoo-hah>though that's more of a testament to debian's abilities
23:56<eidosmatrix>haha maybe, it was some years on a garage corner, under a lot of dust
23:56<rgr>abrotman: I found the issue. The installer had seen I had a live network connection but had not realised that no names could resolved (I have my own dns which was off at the time). As a result the installer just continued and didn't inform me that it hadn't in fact downloaded any of the desktop SW since it could not resolve the repository mirrors. When I re-enabled the DHCP and DNS on the router and re-ran the installer it installed
23:56<rgr>fine. Alls well that ends well. Only issue now it the installer not recognising the USB keyboard on the other machine : but I'll try and bother a normal ps/2 type rather than fanny around.
23:56<abrotman>holy wrong server ..
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