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---Logopened Sat Nov 14 00:00:13 2009
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00:06<Cypriot>hi all
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00:14<Cypriot>need help for editing texts with colour any ideas?
00:15<user01>could you install debian on those new sony ebook readers that run linux?
00:15<user01>that would be cool
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00:18<diego___>Hi, I lost my grub reinstalling windows, can you tell me how to recover my debian (using knoppix live cd)
00:18<diego___>it was a nice grub2
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00:21<x2y2>diego___: Does the knoppix Live has a expert mode? You can rescue it with a debian cd
00:22<rgr>On a new install network-manager controlled by nm-applet doesnt remember the default wireless network when I reboot. Can I make it do so via the gui?
00:23<diego___>that mentions menu.lst, still works on grub2 right ?
00:23<x2y2>It seems that network-manager is a bit of buggy , so ,I recommend you to set your wireless network in cli
00:24<user01>diego___, more discussion
00:25<x2y2>diego___: Debian isn't install grub2 by default , so I'm not sure use a debian cd to rescue is works for your situation
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00:25<x2y2>diego___: why not navigate the links pasted by user01
00:26<user01>diego___, you should always install windows first and then wipe it during install with debian
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00:27<x2y2>user01: in fact, this is not nessary, you can install your oses in any sequence
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00:28<x2y2>Windows can boot debian also.
00:28<diego___>actually, it was not reinstalling :P I wanted to try windows 7
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00:29<user01>x2y2, but then youll have windows taking up space on your hard drive if you dont wipe it after installing
00:31<user01>better to just run it in a virtual machine if you absolutely have to i suppose, though it still takes up resources
00:34<jidm>diego___: i think this blog entry may help:
00:36<diego___>thx , thx everyone :)
00:37<dpkg>from memory, fixgrub is As root: mkdir /mnt/point ; mount -t <fstype> -orw /dev/blah /mnt/point (where /blah = your / partition) ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; chroot /mnt/point ; grub-install /dev/blah (to install in MBR)
00:37<sney>quickie instructions.
00:37<sney>boot with a livecd, chroot to your install, mount dev and proc, and do a grub-install and a uptate-grub
00:37<user01>have there been any annoucements yets to a release schedule for debian stable? i thought they were going to try to make one up in the future
00:38<sney>Squeeze is supposed to hit stable in Spring 2010, I heard.
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00:38<user01>wow, thats pretty quick, but . . . if they say spring 2010 that would mean january 2011
00:39<sney>yeah it's just an estimate
00:39<sney>squeeze is definitely usable but it's also being updated a lot of the time
00:40<user01>i know ive used testing in the past and there usually came a point where it was missing packages that were in unstable only
00:40<user01>so ive been sticking with stable since
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00:40<sney>last time I used debian testing before squeeze, it was called etch
00:41<x2y2>hi,guys. I suddenly found that I can't type a capital 'c' in irssi
00:42<x2y2>any suggestion?
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00:42<user01>sney, me too
00:42<user01>i think i tried sarge in testing
00:42<sney>x2y2: er, have you changed keymaps lately?
00:43<user01>potato was the first time i tried it
00:43<sney>I started on potato too
00:43<sney>I didn't really know what I was doing until I got to 2.4 though
00:43<sney>x2y2: well, change it back
00:43<x2y2>I wanna restore it to default, how to?
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00:46<vishnuvardhan>hi all. good morning. i have an issue with system time. my time zone is Indian Std. Time. but my time in system is 5 & 1/2 hours ahead. the system in my system bios is correct. i have installed adjtimex but it did not help me. please advise.
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00:47<vishnuvardhan>i don't have an internet connection. my os is lenny 5.0.3.
00:47<user01>sney, i started with corel linux which was a debian variant, it was terrible, so i switched to debian :)
00:48<sney>I remember Corel. didn't know it was a debian variant.
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00:50<faheem>vishnuvardhan: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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00:50<user01>sney, i remember coming to to this irc for help and someone told me i could just convert it into debian through a couple of steps . . . like just chage the sources list
00:50<sney>old school
00:51<sney>can't do that with ubuntu
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00:51<franki^>yeah, ubuntu isn't "true-debian" or something, you can do it with other distros like sidux though
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00:52<user01>sney, well probably you could but it would be a lot of work, you do have the source for it :)
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00:55<faheem>vishnuvardhan: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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00:59<rgr>How can I make gnome network manager remember the wireless network and auto login? It keeps forgetting the one I select.
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01:00<x2y2>write your configuration into /etc/networks/interfaces
01:00<rgr>the gui doesnt do that for you? Thought it did. Strange.
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01:03<x2y2>I can I enable the terminal bell on my laptop?
01:04<Xenguy>x2y2: that is not allowed :-)
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01:05<Xenguy>x2y2: I'm kidding of course - are you using gnome-terminal or ... ?
01:08<x2y2>I have selete the "enable bell" in current profile. but it doesn't work.
01:11<franki^>for a start, is it umuted in alsamixer?
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01:12<franki^>although, i'm not sure how gnome does it, i have a "beep" slider in alsamixer that if i unmute results in annoying sounds apparently at random :)
01:12<x2y2>i'll check it immediately
01:13<x2y2>OK, i unmute nothing in alsamixer
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01:26<Xenguy>simonrvn: yeh, once you have the vocabulary, it's the only place to call your command 'now' :-)
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01:31<rgr>x2y2: how do I find out exactly what I need to put into interfaces file from the current network connection in order to make it persistant for the next time I log in? It used to remember. I dont know why it doesnt know.
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01:34<x2y2>rgr: man interfaces
01:34<rgr>yes. thanks for that.
01:35<x2y2>rgr: you are welcome
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01:35<rgr>unfortunately it tells me nothing about how to identify the parameters I need to put in there from the running network I configured using nm-applet.
01:36<x2y2>rgr: ok, maybe you should learn how to use the tools for connecting to a wireless network..
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01:36<x2y2>rgr: try man iwlist
01:37<x2y2>rgr: try man iwconfig
01:37<x2y2>rgr: i think the two tools is enough for u
01:37<rgr>I am connected to a wireless network. It doesnt remember the settings. Its alright I'll just move to wicd. I dont want to become a network guru just to have a working network :-;
01:39<x2y2>ok , then choose wicd. it's suit for you.
01:39*franki^ enjoys wicd
01:39<x2y2>enjoy it
01:39<franki^>i can iwconfig it all when i have to though :P
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03:05<leo>hello, when i login i get a msg about nm-applet wanting access to the default keyring - how can i stop this from popping up in the future, please?
03:10<leo>can it hurt to redownload libc6 with aptitude? i'm hoping to achieve restoring broken files i may have broke with cabal-install
03:11<leo>actually a better question - how can i reinstall using aptitude?
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03:36<ootput>leo: 'L'
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04:27<dave___>can anyone give me a hand with why compiz won't work? I've installed it via synaptic and tried configuring it with the GUI config program but it just isn't working
04:28<dr|z3d>dave___: You need to ensure your graphics card drivers support Compiz.
04:29<dr|z3d>dave___: fusion-icon you might also want to install.. might be of some use.
04:30<dave___>yeah i installed the fusion icon, it says compiz is enabled. if i switch to metacity and then back to compiz everything gets quite screwed up. I think you're right about the graphics card
04:30<dave___>What would be my first step? I also need to get dual monitors working on my card
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04:30<dr|z3d>First step is ensuring your drivers support accelerated 3d.
04:31<dave___>Yeah and to do that...
04:32<dr|z3d>Check your xorg.conf and see what drivers are actually loading.
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04:32<HektoR>hey guys. when i configure IP address for my computer it changes when i restart computer. how can i configure it to be permametly ??
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04:33<dr|z3d>HektoR: Set the ip type to manual rather than DHCP and specify it manually.
04:33<dr|z3d>(in your network manager).
04:33<dr|z3d>Or, alternatively, have your dhcp server (router) assign a permenant ip to the mac address in question.
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04:34<HektoR>dr|z3d: i set up ip with "ifconfig eth0 192.1680.2 netmask" but after restart it gets from DHCP
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04:34<dave___>OK I would say it looks like xorg isn't specifically loading my video card
04:35<dr|z3d>HektoR: Install wicd or gnome-network-manager and apply the changes that way, perhaps. Should be permenant.
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04:41<wangjyjeff>comen sa va
04:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:42<wangjyjeff>shut up
04:42<dr|z3d>!ops wangjyjeff needs a hand out.
04:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: wangjyjeff needs a hand out.
04:43<wangjyjeff>tes la
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04:43<Myon>.oO(that worked)
04:44<dr|z3d>His French was utterly appalling.
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04:53<mattinsota>anybody home?
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04:57<Maulkin>nope, apparently not
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04:59<hachi>doot, anyone know a better alternative to apt-proxy?
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05:00<hachi>I've toyed with it on-and-off for a couple years now
05:00<hachi>every time I try to use it, it just ends up hung waiting for some network resource that answers just fine if I access it directly
05:01<hachi>like right now, it's trying to get a Packages file from, which I can access just fine... but it's just blocked
05:02<hachi>nope wait, I'm wrong... it's just hanging my connection for no good reason... it doesn't have any outbound network connections going
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05:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:21<valdyn>hachi: try approx
05:22<hachi>okie, thanks
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05:26<fgh>what would be the properway to add bootsplash in squeeze?
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05:33<cd>hi! please, can someone tell me why in my debian lenny, the synaptic package manager seems to have a poorer interface than the one presented here Does it means that I'm running an old version on synaptic?
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06:15<NL-Colonel>how do i mount a second harddrive in debian?
06:15<Torsten_W>equal like in any other distro
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06:18<NL-Colonel>ok but i am not familiar with linux but i had a server runnig linux and after reboot i couldn't log in so i mounted another drive and installed debian again and now i need to find the first harddrive
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06:30<valdyn>cd: i doubt the interface is "poorer", also considering that website is from 2004
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06:42<Bernd_amd64>anyone knows about "Unable to load config info from /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf" ... I tried to create ftp cert
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06:48<cd>valdyn: guess you're right, but I don't have all those buttons that says Update, Upgrade. I don't know how to upgrade packages. apt-watch keep saying upgrades are avaible, but when I start synaptic, dont't know how to upgrade all those packages
06:48<valdyn>cd: update means update package list
06:49<valdyn>cd: upgrade means install new versions of packages
06:49<valdyn>cd: for everything else -> theres documentation for a reason
06:49<cd>valdyn: :) thanks, Guess no shortcut for that?!
06:50<cd>valdyn: for learning how to upgrade ...
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06:51<cd>valdyn: thanks anyway
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07:16<yoyo>Hi all.
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07:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:33<eeeuser>Hi, I have an SSH question: Im using ssh -D to create a local SOCKS proxy which I send my http requests through, however at the remote end, it needs to go to another proxy, can this be done?
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07:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:45<abrotman>fcs-deb: it's not changing ...
07:46<eeeuser>I guess the problem is I need a catchall for outgoing :80 by my user to redirect this via an http. Hmms, could probably do this with transparent squid, but that is complicated.
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07:50<Aleric>How can I print a text file? :(
07:50<Aleric>I tried 'lpr foo.txt' and it prints half the characters off the paper
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07:57<uvvtu>всем привет
07:57<uvvtu>установил в гноме kaffeine - место иконки непонятно что. Что за пакет за иконки в кде отвечает?
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08:01<sure>can anyone give me driver ethernet acer aspire 4810T
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08:02<sure>in the following driver has not found
08:02<sure>i have trouble
08:02<eeeuser>sure: are you aware that drivers are normally built into the kernel?
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08:03<sure>i dont know
08:03<sure>i have install debian v5.0.3
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08:03<eeeuser>sure: Under linux, you don't normally "download" a driver. It is usually built-in
08:03<sure>i my ethernet not detect
08:03<sure>i new use linux
08:03<eeeuser>OK. can you open a terminal?
08:04<abrotman>sure: lspci -nn | grep net .. what is the line it returns ?
08:04<sure>i just restart my computer
08:05<eeeuser>Is this running on a separate machine?
08:05<eeeuser>never mind.
08:08<sure>01:00.0 ethernet controller [0200] : attansic technology corp. device [1969:1063] (rev c0)
08:08<sure>this is the result
08:08<sure>can you solve it??
08:09<gsimmons>judd: pciid 1969:1063
08:09<judd>gsimmons: [1969:1063] is 'Unknown device' from 'Attansic Technology Corp.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also
08:09<gsimmons>dpkg: atl1c
08:09<dpkg>well, atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet controllers (AR8131, AR8132), used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline 4810T, Asus Eee PC 1005HA). Included in mainline since kernel 2.6.30; use of 2.6.31-rc4 or later is recommended, see Debian bug #538410 (fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.31-1~experimental.1).
08:10<sure>must install this kernel right?
08:10<sure>which kernel?
08:10<sure>2.6.30 right?
08:11<sure>i try it now
08:11<eeeuser>sure: no. 2.6.31-rc4
08:11<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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08:11<abrotman>eeeuser: it says that is recommended, not required
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08:12<eeeuser>abrotman: check the debian wiki, this has an entry. this kernel is marked as "configuration required".
08:13<gsimmons>sure: 2.6.31, as the driver is buggy/broken in 2.6.30 (see the bug report). You will likely need to use the relevant kernel image package from unstable for device support.
08:13<abrotman>eeeuser: i'm going off the factoid above .. says it's in .30, but 31rc4 is suggested
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08:13<abrotman>if the factoid is wrong, it should be fixed
08:13<eeeuser> has more info
08:14<abrotman>and he could just look for the .31 kernel in experimental i guess
08:14<eeeuser>yeah, that is what I would recommend.
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08:14<sure>i found kernel on
08:14<sure>can i use this
08:15<eeeuser>sure: use synaptic or aptitude package manager to install. Installing kernels from is complicated
08:15<sure>i can't connect to internet cause my ethernet no driver
08:16<eeeuser>sure: you don't have wireless?
08:16<sure>i use my friend computer to ask help here
08:16<sure>i try download interlinux wireless
08:16<sure>but not done right now
08:16<sure>because connection in my region not good
08:17<sure>so i just waiting now
08:17<abrotman>sure: no wifi either ?
08:17<sure>no driver
08:17<gsimmons>The wifi in that system requires a 2.6.28 or later kernel with non-free firmware. :)
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08:18<eeeuser>sure: can you run "uname -r" in your non-working computer?
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08:19<sure>result is 2.6.26-2-686
08:19<abrotman>gsimmons: but that's probably easier than compiling the kernel without a network
08:19<sure>where i can get kernel??
08:19<gsimmons>abrotman: Oh, sure.
08:20<abrotman>would the kmuto have the wifi available for him at least ?
08:20<eeeuser>sure: download a .deb of 2.6.28 or later from a debian mirror
08:20<abrotman>sure: do you have a wifi AP available ?
08:20<eeeuser>then move it to your other computer with a USB key, and install it with dpkg.
08:20<gsimmons>abrotman: Provided WPA isn't required, sure. The iwlagn module is included in kmuto, I believe the relevant firmware too.
08:21<abrotman>eeeuser: which still gets him nothing
08:21<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
08:21<abrotman>sure: ^^^^ try that installer instead (if you have wifi available)
08:21<sure>i don't have AP
08:22<sure>my friend use cable
08:22<abrotman>okay .. ignore that
08:22<abrotman>friend has wifi ?
08:22<sure>itry download kernel from
08:22<abrotman>eeeuser: no need to msg me
08:23<abrotman>sure: if you dn't have wifi available, that won't help
08:23<sure>not my friend use IBM T40 with wifi not support wpa key
08:23<abrotman>unless kmuto has done one with a .31 kernel ?
08:23<gsimmons>abrotman: Not yet, AFAIK.
08:24<abrotman>what a slacker :)
08:24<sure> >> referer kernel is download from
08:24<sure>what i can do??
08:25<sure>can i use kernel from
08:26<abrotman>sure: i'm still confused if you have wifi available or not
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08:27<sure>my wifi not avaiable
08:27<sure> >> give me iso?
08:27<abrotman>sure: but that ISO won't help you unless you have wifi available
08:29<eeeuser>sure: you can install a .deb of a newer kernel by hand, it is a little tricky though. You can grab newer kernel .deb files from debian-kernel.
08:29<sure>can you give me link?
08:30<eeeuser> , but you have to find the files by hand
08:30<sure>that fine it's okay
08:30<sure>i try it
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08:30<gsimmons>eeeuser, sure: is currently offline.
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08:32<abrotman>the .31 is in unstable
08:32<sure>but in said this .31 is stable
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08:33<eeeuser>sure: debian takes the code from and then adapts it to work with debian, just because it is stable in, doesn't mean debian have finished adapting it yet.
08:33<sure>i'm sorry
08:33<eeeuser>no problem :)
08:33<abrotman>he's going to have to try the .31 from unstable
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08:34<abrotman>this may or may not be a smart thing to do ...
08:35<eeeuser>probably needs to be walked through installing debs w/o aptitude as well.
08:35<abrotman>and he'll need the deps to go with that
08:35<eeeuser>and the binary firmware package as well.
08:36<sure>i download it
08:36<abrotman>does the atl1c need firmware? i didn't think it did
08:36<gsimmons>No, it doesn't.
08:36<abrotman>so if that package installs cleanly .. he may be all "fixed up" :)
08:36<sure>need firmware?
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08:36<eeeuser>sure: only for wireless.
08:36<eeeuser>get your cable working first.
08:37<abrotman>the only version depend it has is already satisfied
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08:38<J0rgeGL>Hi Guys!
08:39<sure>i found some way from my wireless
08:39<sure>i hope this way can work
08:39<abrotman>sure: but that needs a newer kernel also and firmware
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08:39<sure>i download new kernel from abrotman
08:40<sure>i will try this
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08:40<eeeuser>how long will the download take on your connection?
08:40<abrotman>try the new kernel first for the wired ... the wireless should just need the firmware-linux package
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08:40<sure>if this new kernel working so i can try wireles
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08:40<sure>about 40 minutes
08:40<sure>sorry if take so long
08:40<sure>i live in aceh
08:41<sure>in my city
08:41<Nazcafan>I have a computer using debian testing that experiences random crashes
08:41<abrotman>sure: just let us know when it's done .. we'll help you with that
08:41<sure>the connection not so fast
08:41<eeeuser>well, I won't hang around. Good luck, you're in good hands :)
08:41<abrotman>sure: time for you to go get some food :)
08:41<sure>thank for your help eeeuser
08:41<Nazcafan>X11 just freezes and the only thing I can do is rebooting the machine
08:41<sure>thank for your help abrotman
08:41<abrotman>Nazcafan: intel video ?
08:42<Nazcafan>abrotman, yes
08:42<sure>and for all of you
08:42<abrotman>Nazcafan: it's in the BTS i'm pretty sure .. mine does it every few days
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08:42<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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08:42<sure>if work i may write some way to solve this problem in my blog and some site
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08:43<Nazcafan>abrotman, I found nothing in the logs, is there a way to be sure it is related with the intel driver?
08:43<abrotman>Nazcafan: so ..
08:43<abrotman>Nazcafan: sure .. tell X to use the VESA driver instead of theintel driver
08:44<Nazcafan>abrotman, is the system usable for everyday work (bî^i
08:45<Nazcafan>(internet browsing, tex edition and some matplotlib) with the VESA driver?
08:45<abrotman>Nazcafan: that's osmething you have to determine for yourself ..
08:45<Nazcafan>hé hé
08:45<abrotman>Nazcafan: if you look through the BTS .. they may tell you to disable an extension or two to resolve the issue
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08:46<eeeuser>Nazcafan: I'm using xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.0-1 with UXA acceleration, and it is relatively stable. Earlier versions were pretty bad.
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08:47<bigbn>hi, anybody know where can get win32 client for pulseaudio?
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08:50<abrotman>sure: he's asking about windows software
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08:51<sure>i think for debian
08:51<sure>i'm sorry when i seacrh in google i found it
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08:52<rgr>In a new lenny install the daet/time options are failing to stick on the clock widget on the gnome panel. Wont remember the timezone.
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08:54<Nazcafan>abrotman, which specific bug are you thinking of? there is one "hang" bug, but with GMA 945 hardware, whereas the crashes happen with a 965 machine
08:54<abrotman>Nazcafan: i don't think it's specific to any chipset ..
08:55<Nazcafan>there is a bug when opening a page on iceweasel
08:55<Nazcafan>it might be this one
08:56<abrotman>Nazcafan: there are tons of bugs about "locking X"
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08:57<Nazcafan>yes but this always happens when my girlfriend is surfing
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09:03<J0rgeGL>I have a Sony VAIO VGN CR240
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09:04<J0rgeGL>My OS is Ubuntu ... do you know where can I find a driver for my web cam.
09:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:04<x2p2dp>hello everybody, I want to go AWAY from kubuntu, what's the status of KDE in debian? are the 4.3.x releases updated in testing ?
09:04<themill>J0rgeGL: you could try asking in #ubuntu on
09:05<themill>dpkg: tell x2p2dp about kde version
09:05<x2p2dp>yeah, but which version is it
09:06<x2p2dp>4.3.2 is the one you have there, but how regularly i meab do you update that
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09:06<x2p2dp>is there a roadmap for how things happen? i read a bit in ana's blog but made no sense since the blog is updated irregularly
09:07<Lethalman>x2p2dp, I think when a new version is released debian developers will package it as soon as possible
09:07<x2p2dp>kind of cool :)
09:07<x2p2dp>what does the 4.2. and 4.3 mix mean for testing's kde, does it mean that i get to keep too many broken pieces together?
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09:12<themill>x2p2dp: it means that you've got the 4.3 libraries and some apps from 4.3 and some from 4.2. The reason you don't get all the apps from 4.3 is that there are bugs keeping some of them out of testing.
09:15<x2p2dp>i guess the only way is to try it out and see if it goes alright
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09:24<hoztrk>hi, Can I ask a question about debian?
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09:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:25<hoztrk>Which site can I download the 4.0 version of debian?
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09:26<abrotman>!cd archive
09:26<dpkg>A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at
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09:28<hoztrk>thank you very much. I guess that comes from new
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09:34<pkhtut>someone has experience with eclipse 3.2 on debian for c++
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09:38<rgr>moving my emacs config back over to the newly installed laptop its complaining that there is no such font as lucidatypewriter. The only lucida I can find is in the (installed) Java JRE. Anyone know how to check/what to install as to what is up? The font is there on my other debian machine ok.
09:41<abrotman>where'd sure go ?
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09:42<gsimmons>I'm sure sure will be back.
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09:57<bossekr>hi all; is it true that this call `dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obsolete` show all obsolate files which can be removed ?
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10:02<abrotman>bossekr: i can't imagine so .. when i run it here, i see files that are needed by the system
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10:09<heras>I've just bought a 1TB drive for media (i.e. the system won't be on it). How should I use it to avoid long fscks on bootup? I'd like to not use ext4.
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10:13<sney>heras: I've had good results with jfs in the past
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10:15<abrotman>bossekr: did you compare the md5sums to what the file is and what the package thinks it is ?
10:15<heras>sney: ok thanks. I've only ever used ext2 and 3. I asume turning off fsck is a Bad Thing even though its not a system disk?
10:16<sney>journaling filesystems (such as ext3, jfs, reiser etc) don't typically need to fsck unless they were powered down improperly
10:16<sney>they have a fsck available but it only rarely runs
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10:17<bossekr>abrotman, see my script here
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10:18<heras>ok, thanks again sney. I'll see how jfs works for me.
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10:19<ootput>sney: or inconsistent mount times (eg time in the future) - this happens frequently when sharing partitions between OSs with no time-sync mechanism in place - for instance, a live CD
10:20<sney>that too
10:20<ootput>though the fsck -y wouldn't necessarily take long
10:20<sney>what I meant is it's a special case, it's not something that needs to be scheduled regularly
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10:20<ootput>provided that's the only inconsistency
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10:21<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:22<eddie>i want install debian in my computer
10:22<eddie>but the howto don't help me
10:22<abrotman>bossekr: okay .. and ?
10:23<ootput>eddie: more details needed
10:23<gsimmons>eddie: "howto"? Do you mean the Installation Guide?
10:23<eddie>wait a minute
10:23<heras>ootput: man fsck says that -y will try to auto-fix. How does that make it shorter?
10:23<eddie>i dont spek very well in english
10:23<ootput>heras: re: mount time
10:23<steffan>eddie: What language do you speak?
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10:24<ootput>heras: -y added for completeness
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10:24<bossekr>abrotman, I've written an email to debian-users@ for help in order to find out if it's true
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10:25<eddie>the guide say me
10:25<eddie>i have to format usb memory in fat system
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10:26<jpinx-eeepc>eddie: you want to install over the internet?
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10:29<abrotman>bossekr: i'd think it's easy to check
10:30<eddie>i don't understand what that I have to download
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10:31<eddie>Oops I have a WLAN Connetion, sorry
10:32<abrotman>bossekr: i'm wondering if it means they're not listed in the in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles
10:32<eddie>I must download all CDs or only the first?
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10:33<jpinx-eeepc>eddie: did you read that link I gave you?
10:33<abrotman>bossekr: on my system .. the ones listed as 'obsolete' aren't listed in the .conffiles in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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10:38<watwat>eddie download the i386 one
10:38<watwat>or the one corresponding to your hardware
10:38<bighornram>greetings. Is Brasaro capable of burnining video DVD's?
10:38<abrotman>i don't think that's what he was asking
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10:39<elops>i just upgraded to lenny, but theres no apt ;(
10:41<jpinx-eeepc>elops: please don't crosspost
10:41<elops>I'll stick to the other channel sir
10:42<elops>as you're there too
10:42<elops>thank u for helpinng me
10:42<watwat>elops is the binary present in /usr/bin?
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11:08<g-ram>quick question if anyone's out there
11:08<g-ram>trying to install lenny from a usb stick; got it to boot up and the installer started just fine
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11:09<g-ram>but I'm asked to detect and mount a cdrom drive; the install wont let me go forward without that. I have no cdrom in this system. I tried mounting the usb stick as the cdrom (/dev/sda) and that didn't work either
11:09<g-ram>any ideas?
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11:21<slope>I'm trying to set up ssh for sftp only with ChrootDirectory so the user is stuck in one folder and it's subfolders. I noticed I could go above that folder and shut it down, removed the keys and put only my own testing key there and now I can't log in, I get this when trying: , this is my /etc/ssh/ssh_config , this is my /etc/ssh/sshd_config , the files
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11:26<gsimmons>g-ram: Did you transfer a Debian CD image to your USB stick? Does it have an .iso/.ISO file extension?
11:26<g-ram>no, it does not
11:26<g-ram>I mounted the ISO and copied all files from the iso to the usb stick
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11:31<slope>g-ram: Chapter 4.3
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11:31<gsimmons>g-ram: That is incorrect. You should be using the hd-media method for an install from USB.
11:32<g-ram>got it
11:32<g-ram>sorry; my first instinct was to use some windows program to make the disk bootable and copy over the iso
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11:32<g-ram>it was nice because it seemed fairly automatic, but instead of copying the proper iso it just copied the contents of the iso
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11:38<virm1>I want use apt-file for local repositories on debian DVD. Can I do this?
11:41<abrotman>apt-file update should scan there if there is a Contents file available
11:42*Xenguy has been getting errors updating apt-file lately
11:42<virm1>yes - but his not available - I create them
11:42*Xenguy tries again
11:42<abrotman>Xenguy: didn't mean to run out the other night .. i hit shut down and your highlight came up as soon as i did that
11:42<abrotman>Xenguy: the guy with openvpn i mean
11:43<Xenguy>abrotman: no worries; oh yeah that guy
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11:43<Xenguy>apt-file update gives me: Can't get
11:44<abrotman>that's normal i believe
11:44<virm1>how show apt-file contents in another place, not standart place
11:44<Xenguy>abrotman: really? So has apt-file been updated then?
11:45<abrotman>Xenguy: i meant that the file isn't there
11:46<Xenguy>abrotman: heh, OK. Then I still don't know whether something is broken with the update or not.
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12:12<tolkien>hello all, I have a problem using "make gconfig" for to configure kernel, I get a white window....with xconfig all ok. Do this happen to anybody else?
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12:14<mike-c>in Debian Lenny, what executable can I run to "Configure Panel" across the bottom of the screen. My "popup" panel across the bottom disappeared!
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12:15<mike-c>Hello All: in Debian Lenny KDE, what executable can I run to "Configure Panel" across the bottom of the screen. My "popup" panel across the bottom disappeared!
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12:17<mike-c>Hi All: Can someone help me run SignedVncViewer.jar in debian lenny? I have VncViewer.jar working but I can't get SignedVncViewer.jar to run
12:17<kmap>mike-c: Does this help?
12:17<kmap>mike-c: I am not sure if that is what you want
12:17<mike-c>I will look, Thanks!
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12:24<mike-c>Kicker has been running since sep 16. I killed it. I typed "kicker" into a root shell and now it isn't running anymore. Oh well, good try.
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12:25<mike-c>THanks kmap
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12:29<diaboluslamia>hello, can anyone tell me what do I need to do to connect to wireless on debian lenny if I'm not using any GUI?
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12:50<diaboluslamia>gsimmons: that did not tell me how to do it from termina, only using a GUI
12:50<diaboluslamia>I need to be able to connect using terminal only
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12:52<gsimmons>diaboluslamia: Read further, as commands and examples are given for wireless interface configuration via ifupdown and wpa_supplicant. You can read the relevant man pages for anything more specific.
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12:54<diaboluslamia>gsimmons: I read it all, but will do it again to make sure I don't miss anything
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13:39<eljefe>Can anyone assist me to get Audacity to record my desktop audio, in Sid with KDE 4.3.2 ?
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13:43<kerberus>I'm trying to build pidgin from source and need to install libgstfarssight0.10-dev but Synaptic says it depends on libgstfarsight0.10-0 and it is not going to be installed :(
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13:45<abrotman>why from source?
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13:48<kerberus>Because I'm using Lenny with Pidgin 2.4.3 installed and want to upgrade it
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13:48<jpinx-eeepc>kerberus: backport it
13:48<abrotman>kerberus: see
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13:50<vhann>Is there a command to list all cdrom hardware installed?
13:51<vhann>*cd compatible drives
13:51<cahoot>hwinfo? dmidecode?
13:51<abrotman>lshw ?
13:53<vhann>In fact, what I need is to get the udev device associated with it
13:54<cahoot> like /etc/udev/rules.d/##persistent-cd.rules?
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13:55<vhann>I am actually trying to help someone on a forum who can't mount a CD
13:55<vhann>though he can boot on a CD
13:55<cahoot>and it's not an audio cd?
13:56<vhann>I asked him to put the bootable CD
13:56<vhann>then mount -o loop -t iso9660
13:56<vhann>I also asked the output of dmesg | tail -f while mounting
13:56<vhann>But nothing appears :S
13:57<vhann>*dmesg | tail -f then put CD in drive, then mount
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13:58<timeoh>hello everybody! Are there any tools to manage all the loggings from different services? like ntp, scanlogd etc.
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13:59<timeoh>cli based
13:59<ootput>vhann: proverbial friend?
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13:59<dr|z3d>timeoh: Look at the gadmin tools.
14:00<dr|z3d>They're more concerned with (potentially) public facing services, but you might find stuff there of ue.
14:00<vhann>ootput: It's not a friend, just someone asking a question on a forum
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14:01<vhann>It's in French, but here is the thread in question:
14:01<timeoh>dr|z3d: i'll check it out
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14:04<vhann>Basically, if the user hasn't messed with anything, all cd related should be found by 'find /dev/ -group cdrom', right?
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14:14<millennia>Hello, just going to d/l 5.0.3 now. What's the difference between debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-503-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso?
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14:17<vhann>millennia: xfce+lxde rather than GNOME maybe6
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14:18<dr|z3d>millennia: Different default desktop environment options. Gnome is default for Debian, usually, Xfce and LXDE are lighter weight enviros.
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14:19<millennia>thanks, vhann, driz3d. If I want gnome later, do I have to go back and d/l the first cd eventually?
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14:20<vhann>Or install GNOME via the packages
14:21<dr|z3d>No need whatsoever to download the first CD.
14:21<millennia>ok, thanks. I like lighter wieght. my oldpc can't handle much
14:22<dr|z3d>millennia: Xfce I prefer over LXDE, personally. More polished to my mind.
14:22<dr|z3d>In any event, the repositories will allow you to install whichever DE you like.
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14:22<millennia>ok, I'm d/l'ing the xfce version now
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14:25<fleuret>hi, people
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14:53<meetmeonaholiday> can't seem to boot my encrypted lvm with a custom kernel but it boots fine with the debian kernel. Is there any voodoo debian does on the kernel during compilation or when creating the initrd? Anyone have any experience with encrypted lvm's and custom kernels?
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15:03<kilelme>hi all
15:04<kilelme>i have problem with intel GMA 4500MHD
15:04<kilelme>i cannot adjust resolution to 1280x960
15:04<faheem>meetmeonaholiday: you need to have all the necessary support stuff compiled in to your custom kernel to start with
15:05<faheem>also, pasting an error message might be useful
15:05<kilelme>i have update kernel tu 2.6.30
15:05<kilelme>it not have error
15:05<meetmeonaholiday>faheem: yeah I looked into that but couldn't figure out what I needed. but I think I might have just got a clue. so I've gotta recompile. I imagine I'll be back if that doesn't work. thanks anyway
15:05<kilelme>i just cannot change screen resolution to widescreen
15:06<faheem>kilelme: you could before upgrading?
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15:06<kilelme> faheem : what you mean?
15:06<DebZhila>faheem: just wanted to tell you, I fixed the error reguarding installing a linux-image to a debootstrap installation; prior to installing a linux image, one must create an empty file '/etc/kernel-img.conf'
15:08<kilelme>i use acer aspire 4810T
15:08<faheem>DebZhila: were you Knoppixzilla or something yesterday?
15:09<DebZhila>faheem: yeah
15:09<faheem>DebZhila: well, good to know
15:09<faheem>so you got your chroot installation working then? great
15:09<DebZhila>yep, works just like a real install, well, except I had a little more extra work to do
15:09<faheem>kilelme: i meant, you had no problems before upgrading with your screen resolution?
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15:10<DebZhila>but, now knowing the extra work I have to do means if I have to do it again, it can be done near as fast as an install disc
15:10<faheem>kilelme: if so, maybe your upgraded kernel is lacking some support
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15:10<kilelme>i don't upgrading my screen resolution
15:10<kilelme>i just cannnot change it
15:11<kilelme>i use kernel 2.6.32
15:11<faheem>DebZhila: well, personally i'm not a fan of chroot installs. they are too manual, and you can't be sure you are doing everything the installer is
15:11<faheem>kilelme: you just did a kernel upgrade, correct?
15:11<faheem>from * to 2.6.32?
15:12<faheem>from 2.6.31 to 2.6.32?
15:12<faheem>or * to 2.6.31?
15:12<kilelme>sorry i wrong typing
15:12<kilelme>i mean 2.6.31
15:12<faheem>kilelme: ok, so what was the upgrade, please? also, what release were you running?
15:12<faheem>are you running, sorry
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15:13<kilelme>i use debian 5.0.3
15:13<kilelme>with acer aspire timeline 4810T
15:14<faheem>kilelme: ok. so kernel upgrade from A -> B. you still have not clearly said what A and B are
15:14<kilelme>first i have kernel 2.6.24
15:14<faheem>also, why did you do a kernel upgrade in the first place? the default is 2.6.26
15:14<faheem>for lenny, that is
15:14<kilelme>ups i'm sorry
15:15<kilelme>i forget about it
15:15<kilelme>i just upgrade kernel because my ethernet and wifi not work
15:15<kilelme>now my kernel is 2.6.31
15:16<kilelme>my problem now is resolution grapichal cannot change to large pixel
15:16<abrotman>what wifi/ethernet is that ?
15:16<faheem>kilelme: ok. you want resolution at 1280x960, correct?
15:16<kilelme>that it
15:17<faheem>were you able to get this resolution before upgrading? I assume you were using 2.6.26 before?
15:17<faheem>since that is the default in lenny
15:17<kilelme>i cannot
15:17<faheem>kilelme: don't follow.
15:18<faheem>you could or not? yes or no?
15:18<faheem>kilelme: ok, so what is your video card?
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15:18<faheem>you could pastebin output of lspci if you don't know
15:18<kilelme>intel gma 4500MHD
15:19<faheem>anyone know, is this supported by 2.6.31?
15:19<faheem>!intel graphics
15:19<dpkg>intel graphics is probably 3D acceleration from Intel, open spec. Onboard chips only (sorry, AMD users). See
15:19<faheem>not really what i was looking for
15:19<kilelme>but i still cannot change my resolution
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15:19<faheem>kilelme: if you don't have a driver, you are probably using vesa
15:20<faheem>what does /etc/X11/xorg.conf show in the driver section?
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15:21<kilelme>i cannot found driver section
15:21<kilelme>i found device section
15:21<kilelme>and said
15:22<kilelme>Section "Device"
15:22<kilelme> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
15:22<kilelme> Option "UseFBDev" "true"
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15:22<abrotman>which wifi/NIC does he have?
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15:22<faheem>abrotman: he didn't say
15:22<faheem>kilelme: what wifi/NIC do you have?
15:23<kilelme>device section
15:23<faheem>kilelme: there is no Driver line?
15:23<kilelme>i have intel pro 5100
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15:23<faheem>must be automatically detected. would the driver being used in the X logs?
15:23<faheem>be in, sorry
15:23<kilelme>not problem
15:24<DebZhila>xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
15:24<faheem>DebZhila: kilelme what x packages do you have installed
15:24<faheem>do dpkg -l | grep xserver
15:24<faheem>and pastebin (not in the channel)
15:24<kilelme>yes i have installed
15:25<abrotman>he probably could have used the bpo kernel and avoided all of this
15:25<faheem>abrotman: i was sort of assuming he was using the backport
15:25<faheem>kilelme: did you use the backport or not?
15:25<faheem>for 2.6.31?
15:25<abrotman>there isn't one
15:26<abrotman>kilelme: were you here before as 'sore' ?
15:27<faheem>abrotman: yes, i see it is still 2.6.30
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15:28<kilelme>yes i use it when i install my wireless
15:28<kilelme>this result of "uname -r" >> 2.6.31-1-686
15:29<faheem>kilelme: try using the 2.6.30 backport
15:29<kilelme>that mean i must downgrade my kernel, right?
15:29<faheem>DebZhila: he has xserver-xorg-video-intel installed. question is - is his card supported by lenny?
15:29<faheem>kilelme: no, just install it. then reboot.
15:30<faheem>grub should add a line for that kernel. just make it is there before you reboot
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15:30<faheem>!tell kilelme -about bpo
15:30<faheem>make sure, sorry
15:31<faheem>video card is intel gma 4500MHD, right.
15:31<faheem>where does one go to check such things? that judd thing?
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15:31<kilelme>i read in label in my right side
15:32<kilelme>i write in my notebook
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15:34<kilelme>i just instal this backport
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15:35<kilelme>faheem: i just install this backport when i configure my wifi
15:36<faheem>kilelme: not sure i follow
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15:36<faheem>did you just install the backport now? did you install it earlier?
15:36<kilelme>i have installed backport before
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15:37<faheem>kilelme: and it didn't help you?
15:37<kilelme>it just help me trought wifi
15:37<faheem>hmm, i guess the thing to check is whether your card is supported by the version of X in lenny. it may not be
15:38<kilelme>where i can check this
15:38<kilelme>in wiki debian?
15:39<faheem>kilelme: yes, probably
15:39<faheem>do a search for your cardname
15:39<kilelme>thank you very much for your help
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15:44<faheem>has anyone got experience with using X backports in lenny? just curious
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16:05<switchgirl>ubuntu ?
16:06<abrotman>#ubuntu on
16:06<switchgirl>ah k
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16:07<switchgirl>i was told not to mention ubuntu here - ever by a friend, why?
16:07<jpinx-eeepc>switchgirl: this is debian support - no ubuntu
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16:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:08<sney`>Oh dear. I added something to /etc/cron.hourly on my development webserver and now apt and aptitude are segfaulting.
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17:11<sney`>I guess pkgcache.bin was corrupt.
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17:34<diaboluslamia>hello, does anyone know how I can set up my Epson Stylus CX3900 on lenny?
17:35<diaboluslamia>I can't get it to work
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17:36<cwood>diaboluslamia: do you know which kernel module it needs?
17:36<diaboluslamia>cwood: no idea, how can I find that out?
17:37<cwood>diaboluslamia: lspci or lsusb depending, or look in /var/log/kern.log to see if your machine recognizes it, and then google for useful strings like the model.
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17:39<diaboluslamia>cwood: the thing is that a friends computer with ubuntu installs the drivers automatically once the printer is turned on, on my computer with lenny, it doesn't happen, I installed system-config-printer and added the printer, but when I send a print to queue it disappears after 3 secs and it will not print
17:40<cwood>diaboluslamia: I admit I personally used printconf.
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17:41<diaboluslamia>cwood: is that a package?
17:41<cwood>You can use "apt-cache search" to check.
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17:44<diaboluslamia>that gave back an error "you must give exactly one pattern"
17:44<cwood>diaboluslamia: At this point you can check "man apt-cache" to see the syntax you should use.
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17:45<faheem>diaboluslamia: you are trying to install a printer?
17:45<faheem>get the list of installed printer drivers from your friend, perhaps?
17:45<InkBottle>Hi, I want to have my usual X-session on a distant pc (from a laptop; I want to keep the ability to run this laptop on its own): what are the possibilities?
17:45<diaboluslamia>faheem: yes, Epson Stylus CX3900
17:46<faheem>diaboluslamia: i assume you've tried that site?
17:46<faheem>or whatever it is called these days
17:48<diaboluslamia>faheem: actually, I haven't, I'll do that. And how do I get the list of installed drivers from my friends computer?
17:48<faheem>diaboluslamia: dpkg -l | grep something
17:48<faheem>where something = print or cups or foomatic
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17:49<faheem>i'm guessing he uses cups, so an easy way would be just to look at his configuration
17:49<faheem>then poke around a bit
17:49<faheem>you could also look in /etc/cups
17:50<faheem>particulary /etc/cups/ppd which would have the ppd file, which might tell you something
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17:54<faheem>InkBottle: just do X forwarding?
17:54<faheem>do you want the whole display of the remote machine?
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17:54<faheem>in that case you coudl use vnc or whatever
17:55<faheem>i think it is vnc
17:55<dpkg>[vnc] Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
17:56<faheem>!x forwarding
17:56<faheem>!x forward
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17:59<millennia>is a 18gb drive enough for a decent install?
18:00<valdyn>millennia: yes
18:00<faheem>millennia: sure, depending what you are doing
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18:00<millennia>would there be much left over?
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18:00<faheem>millennia: what kind of things are you planning to install?
18:00<valdyn>millennia: if you just create one large partition you can see and adjust as you go
18:01<valdyn>millennia: 17 to zero would remain depending on what you install
18:01<millennia>probably at least the usual internet funthings,
18:01<faheem>millennia: you can get a decent amount of stuff in 10G or so
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18:02<davi>Why is VirtualBox not included in Lenny? Is it not Free Software?
18:03<faheem>sney: apt should never segfault.
18:03<valdyn>judd: versions virtualbox-ose
18:03<judd>valdyn: virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 lenny-backports: 3.0.8-dfsg-1~bpo50+1 sid: 3.0.10-dfsg-1 squeeze: 3.0.10-dfsg-1
18:03<faheem>did you file a bug report?
18:03<valdyn>davi: it is in lenny
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18:04<davi>thanks valdyn, So I will not install the .deb downloaded from
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18:49<hoztrk>How can I ask questions here about of debian
18:49<azeem>hoztrk: just ask
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18:50<hoztrk>I'm using debian version 4.0. When I start installing plesk panel 8.6 "execute binary file" error, what can I do I get?
18:51<azeem>hoztrk: that's more of a plesk question than a debian question
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18:52<hoztrk>I had to install debian from a single cd. Does the reason for this?
18:53<abrotman>there is a #plesk on freenode i believe
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18:55<hoztrk>sorry, i dont understand what is the freenode?
18:56<hoztrk>hmm ok understand.
18:57<hoztrk>I think "glibc" widgets such as system missing. How can I check?
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18:59<azeem>hoztrk: your last sentence made no sense, please try to rephrase
19:01<hoztrk>I think "glibc" tools such as missing as a result of my research
19:01<azeem>such as?
19:02<azeem>glibc has no tools; and it is certainly not missing, or else everything would fail
19:02<azeem>the binary package name of glibc is "libc6"
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19:07<hoztrk>I do not have much information about linux.
19:09<hoztrk>How do I know used debian x86 or 64 bit?
19:09<azeem>run uname -r
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19:11<azeem>then 32bit
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19:16<hoztrk>plesk program I read the documentation. Installation of the operating system update need to be before.
19:17<hoztrk>i doing "apt-get update".
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19:18<hoztrk>wrote the following on the console
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19:21<hoztrk>"reading package done".
19:21<azeem>hoztrk: we know what apt-get update writes
19:21<azeem>hoztrk: apt-get update only refreshs the package data, it does not upgrade any packages
19:21<azeem>you might be looking for "apt-get upgrade"
19:23<jrabbit>and dist-upgrade for new packages or packages that need new packages
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19:24<davi>I am surprised there is not jigdo links at
19:24<davi>The directory is empty
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19:32<abrotman>davi: they'd be out of date tomorrow
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19:34<hoztrk>autoinstaller packages do not work. "execute binary file" must be a reason
19:34<davi>ok. I am installing using the testing business card ISO image
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19:36<davi>If jigdo is not supported it should be deleted from the web pages, if time allow it
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19:39<abrotman>davi: it is supported, for the stable release
19:40<hoztrk>azeem, problem is resolved.
19:41<hoztrk>plesk setup package has 64-bit.
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19:41<hoztrk>i installed package 32 bit. thank you everythink
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19:47<someone_>a text file contains the test " 1 message" and i'm trying to use sed to get rid of the first two characters which are white space using the command 'sed -i # ## <filename>' but i'm just getting the help info when i run the command so i think i'm doing something wrong.
19:47<abrotman>someone_: echo " 1 message" | sed -e 's/^ //'
19:48<someone_>oh yeah. forgot that 's'
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19:49<hoztrk>"apt-get" command, cd-room on the update is done. How can I run over the internet?
19:49<someone_>thx abrotman
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19:55<hoztrk>abrotman, are you there?
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19:55<abrotman>huh ?
19:56<someone_>what server is xorg's chan on?
19:56<abrotman>hoztrk: man sources.list
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19:59<hoztrk>i opened sources.list what do i do now
19:59<someone_>after issuing the commands 'iptables -t nat -P POSTROUTING DROP && iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE && sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" to turn a linux box into a router for a lan... now i cant ping any of the other machines on the lan from that machine
19:59<someone_>PING ( 56 data bytes
19:59<someone_>ping: sendto: Operation not permitted
19:59<someone_>ping: wrote 64 chars, ret=-1
19:59<someone_>--- ping statistics ---
19:59<someone_>1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
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20:02<faheem>hoztrk: read some documentation. start with man sources.list as abrotman suggested.
20:02<faheem>hoztrk: the debian wiki might be a good place to look too
20:02<faheem>someone_: don't paste here. use pastebin
20:02<hoztrk>faheem thanks
20:02<hever>How can I just burn a theoretical dvd ready mpeg file on a dvd, that is playable in a dvd player?
20:03<faheem>hoztrk: try k3b. that's quite popular
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20:03<faheem>i assume you are talking about a dvd image?
20:03<Nemoder>hever: I use avidemux to create the right mpg format then brasero to burn it
20:03<hever>I transcoded the video using ffmpeg an I think the file is ready to be burned ;)
20:04<faheem>or just an mpeg file?
20:04<faheem>hever: well k3b is just a frontend to basic operations
20:04<faheem>if you need to do something complicated, you may need something else
20:05<hever>Why it's so complicated to burn a simple dvd ready mpg on a dvd?
20:05<faheem>someone_: try #networking
20:05<faheem>on freenode
20:06<faheem>hever: it might not be. have you tried k3b?
20:06<hever>yes, the debug output is:
20:07<faheem>hever: looked like it didn't find your file
20:07<hever>I added the mpg in the video_ts and then I tried the root, both does not work
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20:08<hever>I have no VIDEO_TS.IFO I have just a *.mpg file
20:08<faheem>hever: no idea. have you looked for a howto on this?
20:09<hever>yes a lot but mostly they are too complicated. I'm not going to create a dvd menue or something else...
20:09<faheem>you might look for a linux multimedia forum
20:09<faheem>hever: well, multimedia is not exactly linux's strong point
20:09<faheem>why not use windows or a mac?
20:10<Nemoder>avidemux lets you open any movie file and select DVD from the dropdown for output format
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20:11<hever>Well thats funny, "The debian channel recommends using windows for multimedia purposes" ;)
20:12<faheem>hever: not the debian channel. just me. and not a recommendation. just a suggestion
20:12<hever>Nemoder, I'm quite sure I already have a dvd compatible mpg file
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20:12<Nemoder>hever: your k3b output suggests it can't read it.. but I'm not that familiar with k3b
20:13<faheem>hever: maybe you could elaborate on what you did in k3b. i don't use it much, but that would mean something to someone here
20:14<faheem>that might, sorry
20:14<hever> suggest some things but I don't know where to put my mpg file...
20:14<hever>I just created a new video dvd project and added my file
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20:15<hever>previously I converted to be DVD compatible with ffmpeg
20:15<faheem>hever: try a k3b forum?
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20:15<someone_>quick question. if i create a deb on 2.6.14, will it run on a machine using 2.6.25?
20:15<faheem>someone_: depends. kernel not important.
20:15<someone_>depends on what?
20:15<faheem>other things more important
20:16<Nemoder>hever: I believe you have to specify it in the file.xml, check the dvdauthor docs
20:16<faheem>is the rest of the system the same. what debian version are you running?
20:16<faheem>someone_: in both cases
20:16<someone_>idk. dont really use that machine. i'll have to check
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20:28<_mack>i need some help
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20:29<faheem>! tell _mack -about ask
20:29<hever>I checked the docs and dvdauthor would create the vob files... It would be easier if k3b would automate this ;)
20:29<hever>thank you !
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20:29<_mack>help: how do I install sound for debian
20:30<_mack>help: I open aptitude, what do I search for
20:30<faheem>hever: you could tell the k3b people about that. wishlist bug?
20:31<_mack>!tell mack -about ask
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20:32<sney>!alsa checklist
20:32<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
20:32<sney>but it's probably just muted anyway
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20:37<lardmaster>Why do none of the extra octave packages work with octave-3.2?
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20:37<lardmaster>They all require octave3.0
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20:56<_mack>sound is sort of working, I get 'buzzing' when I move volume control
20:56<_mack>!help sound
20:56<_mack>!help alsa
20:56<sney>you can /msg the bot directly
20:57<sney>so like:
20:57<sney>/msg dpkg alsa
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20:59<_mack>so debiansa channel.. and dpkg is the bot everyone talks to
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21:01<zer0>I need help with a fax modem dial up
21:02<zer0>anyone help me
21:02<sney>_mack: yes, basically
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21:03<lardmaster>/msg dpkg octave
21:04<_mack>sney: ic
21:04<_mack>sney: im getting sound, (volume up . volume down) but no music with totem..
21:04<gsimmons>zer0: What specific help do you require?
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21:09<zer0>gsimmons: I installed my fax modem dials usually put it when trying to connect to the server dial up the connection stops and appears pppd exited unexpectedly
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21:11<zer0>gsimmons: I have the log terminal kppp ..... want to take a look to see if it helps solve the problem?
21:12<zer0>gsimmons: you want to take a look at the log?
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21:17<_mack>hey can anyone help
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21:17<_mack>sound works, but totem has no sound, am I missing another package
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21:21<gsimmons>zer0: Please pastebin the log ; /msg dpkg paste
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21:28<zer0>what is site pastebin?
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21:29<icebrain>!tell zer0 about paste
21:30<gg>!tell gg about milf
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21:40<faheem>_mack: try installing the suggests for totem
21:41<faheem>also check the controls to see if audio disabled for some reason
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21:41<zer0>gsimmons: put the log in
21:42<faheem>_mack: what debian release/version are you running?
21:42<_mack>where would I grab this info ;s
21:42<gsimmons>zer0: You need to tell us the URL of your paste.
21:42<faheem>_mack: cat /etc/debian_version
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21:43<_mack>5.0.3 ?
21:43<faheem>_mack: ok, lenny
21:44<kisisten>hi, what does the plus mean in >> drwx------+
21:44<zer0>gsimmons : look at the list of the names of the collages in the last this with my name: zer0
21:45<faheem>_mack: this one has no recommends
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21:46<zer0>gsimmons : my url paste
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21:46<_mack>gonna install totem-xine ???
21:47<zer0>gsimmons : are you see?
21:48<faheem>_mack: do you have all of these installed?
21:48<faheem>Recommends: totem-mozilla (= 2.22.2-5), totem-plugins, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gnome-app-install
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21:49<faheem>kardan_: may mean acl enabled
21:49<faheem>what does df show?
21:49<andy>anybody have a netbook
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21:49<_mack>faheem: those are installed
21:50<faheem>magyar: that should have been mount, sorry
21:51<faheem>magyar: see earlier comment: the + may mean acl enabled
21:51<magyar>faheem: how do i disable it or enable it?
21:51<faheem>_mack: i assume totem sound is not disabled for some reason?
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21:52<faheem>magyar: check mount. does it say anything about acl?
21:52<valdyn>_mack: is totem-xine or totem-gstreamer installed?
21:53<magyar>faheem: these are not mount points, just dirs in /home partition
21:53<gsimmons>zer0: You likely need to run your PPP daemon with the noauth option (this is covered in kppp's README.Debian). Uncomment noauth in /etc/ppp/peers/kppp-options and try again.
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21:53<_mack>I got errors in apt
21:53<faheem>magyar: for acl to work in /home, /home needs to have been mounted with the acl option
21:53<magyar>faheem: these are samba users windows profiles directory
21:54<_mack>im using synaptic to put in xine now
21:54<faheem>magyar: ok, then it may mean something completely different
21:54<magyar> /dev/md5 /home ext3 rw,acl
21:54<magyar>faheem: ^
21:55<faheem>magyar: ok, then it is acl
21:55<magyar>but how do I enable acl for a directory?
21:55<faheem>magyar: you mean disable?
21:55<magyar>chown ?
21:55<magyar>faheem: or or
21:55<faheem>magyar: you give an option to mount
21:55<faheem>here is an example i have:
21:56<faheem>/dev/mapper/debian-data /data ext3 acl,defaults 0 2
21:56<magyar>faheem: but not all directories have the "+" on them
21:56<faheem>from /etc/fstab
21:56<faheem>magyar: yes, that just means someone ran acl on some directory
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21:56<faheem>it doesn't show up automatically
21:56<faheem>see the acl documentation
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21:57<magyar>is there a command acl?
21:57<faheem>the mount just means acl can be used. when some acl command has been run you see the +
21:57<faheem>magyar: yes, setacl. again, read the docs
21:57<magyar>faheem: ahh, i got it
21:57<magyar>thanks faheem
21:58*magyar unusually slow today
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21:59<faheem>magyar: no problem. acl is quite harmless. unless it is causing you problems i would ignore it
21:59<magyar>faheem: i have samba running with acl enabled on user proiles
21:59<magyar>so it's all good
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22:00<magyar>i just couldnt wrap my mind around the plus sign
22:01<_mack>Ive tried, it plays, but theres no sound
22:01<_mack>it opens in movie player, the equalizers move
22:02<zer0>gsimmons: thanks guy
22:02<_mack>nothing is muted
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22:03<faheem>_mack: strange. if other audio stuff works, try a totem forum. there is probably a mailing list
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22:14<someone_>anyone seen this before? "Nov 15 10:43:52.973 [warn] Could not bind to Permission denied"
22:14<someone_>my app is printing this out
22:14<someone_>when i try to launch it
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22:17<bremner>your app is a DNS server?
22:19<someone_>no it's not
22:21<dhaos>someone: you can't bind to ports < 1024 unless you're root.
22:21<someone_>i am root
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22:22<dhaos>someone: unless something else already has that port, I'm out of ideas. :)
22:24<someone_>what's the netstat command to check that?
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22:25<bremner>someone_: there could well be some local dns server on that port already. Did you mean to use port 53? netstat --inet
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23:20<Gaartboom>Is there a way how i could get some help with my lenny?
23:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:24<Gaartboom>I have a problem with xserver; i'm running debian version 5.03. When i login to gnome, my top menus don't work. I can right click or click desktop items butt no top menu items.
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23:35<Gaartboom>I have a ovh server, so the only way to access is by ssh or nx. I can give login to the server to see for yourself. anyone?
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23:35<goodger>Gaartboom: is this localised to one user account?
23:36<Xenguy>what is "ovh" ?
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23:37<Gaartboom>dedicated server provider
23:37<Xenguy>Gaartboom: tx
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23:40<Gaartboom>I looked up butt get this as result [patch] x86, pat: fix reserve_memtype() for legacy 1MB range
23:40<Gaartboom>if you google that, that my xserver problem
23:41<Gaartboom>Butt even after reading that i'm not sure how to fix. I need to update my kernel?
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23:46<Gaartboom>when doing uname -r i get its debian 5.03
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23:52<Gaartboom>I'm the only one asking questions here, i can't seem to see someone else chatting. I will be patient i gues.
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23:57<venger>Gaartboom, have you tried X11 forwarding and had the same results as with nx?
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23:58<venger>Gaartboom, or do you have the option of vnc rather?
23:58<vadim>hi all
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