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---Logopened Tue Nov 17 00:00:17 2009
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00:11<_qq> /msg dpkg silence
00:11<eix_>try kFreeBSD, and share your expirience
00:13<Jsnix>great, now this machine does not want to boot anything up
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00:20<jpinx-eeepc>Jsnix: you were warned:p
00:20<Jsnix>seriously, not even the LiveCDs are booting up
00:20<perro_negro>WHOIS anewbie
00:21<Jsnix>I am afraid I will have to explode it up
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00:24<jpinx-eeepc>Jsnix: what are the symptoms and errors?
00:24<Jsnix>IO APIC resources could not be allocated.
00:25<Jsnix>what is that?
00:25<jpinx-eeepc>can you try other boot-media - maybe a USB ?
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00:26<jpinx-eeepc>Jsnix: I don't know exactly, but any IO error is kind of terminal
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00:27<Jsnix>darn, fedora 11 is te
00:27<Jsnix>the only CD liveCD I have got
00:28<sney>good enough for a chroot
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00:29<perro_negro>Please,has anyone had sucess to setup a debian local trivial repository?
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00:29<Jsnix>it is not booting up
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00:30<Jsnix>I will create a LiveUSB
00:30<faheem>perro_negro: there are tools for that
00:30<jpinx-eeepc>Jsnix: I have linux on a floppy for these situations ;)
00:31<perro_negro>I mean setup it by dpkg-scanpackages
00:31<Jsnix>I should have one :/
00:31<faheem>perro_negro: you'll need to be more specific about what you are doing and what problems you are having
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00:33<perro_negro>I have a lot of .debs files on a directory and so i would like to build a trivial repo,using this tool,but it don't work for me.
00:34<sney>what happens when you try
00:34<perro_negro>*tool: dpkg-scanpackage
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00:36<faheem>what's the repos building tool. forget its name
00:38<faheem>ah, reprepro
00:38<perro_negro>I put this line (file:/home/juan/debs ./) in the file /etc/apt/sources.list ,the i enter #apt-get update ,then i have the following trouble: -ign Packages , -ign Release ...
00:38<dpkg>it has been said that reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages.
00:39<faheem>perro_negro: ^^ have you seen this?
00:40<perro_negro>ii never have heard about reprepero,thanks
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00:44<Jsnix>jpinx-eeepc, I found out that installing their HD in my machine was easier
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00:44<Jsnix>since mine has no problem booting up and I can easily back up their data
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>Jsnix: sounds like the hardware might have some issues
00:46<an1>hi to all,i have installed kqemu,kvm,kvm_intel driver then also i am egtting error as KVM support no
00:46<an1>#error Missing KVM capability KVM_CAP_USER_MEMORY, #error Missing KVM capability KVM_CAP_SET_TSS_ADDR, #error Missing KVM capability KVM_CAP_DESTROY_MEMORY_REGION_WORKS
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00:51<Jsnix>jpinx-eeepc, yeah, I am glad we found a solution, though
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01:03<retrospectacus1>this pinning thing is not working. I cannot get the system to not want to upgrade darkice when I do "apt-get upgrade".
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01:05<faheem>retrospectacus1: apt-cache policy pkgname - update your paste
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01:06<fxiny>there is an old 2008 kernel bug -> Not cloning cgroup for unused subsystem ns , at least this is what i found . is google-chrome . i'm using it on lenny , tail /var/log/messages and open a local html with chrome . any chrome version . today google fix is even worse
01:07<fxiny>i'm not talking chrome , i'm talking kernel
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01:07<fxiny>today chorem fix is even worse : /usr/local/google/home/chrome-eng/b/slave/chrome-official-linux/build/src/base/] Not implemented reached in void base::EnableTerminationOnOutOfMemory()
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01:08<fxiny>so , if any google man is listening , please fix it . in my opinion chorme is a nice browser , fast minimal and uses less resources then firebug
01:08<fxiny>bye all
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01:11<retrospectacus1>I should probably mention that I installed darkice with mp3 support like: apt-get source darkice; cd darkice-0.19-1; vi debian/rules; dpkg-buildpackage; dpkg -i ../*.deb
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01:19<retrospectacus1>which is why I don't want dpkg to upgrade it
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01:24<jm_>you can put it on hold
01:27<faheem>aptitude does not respect dpkg's holds
01:27<retrospectacus1>I don't use aptitude, just apt-get
01:27<faheem>retrospectacus1: check the syntax
01:28<faheem>i think it needs to be PinPriority or something
01:28<faheem>retrospectacus1: yes - Pin-Priority:
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01:29<faheem>as you can see from your paste, it doesn't think you have set a priority, that's why
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01:31<retrospectacus1>ahhhhh I thought that looked off
01:31<jm_>I am not sure why you even mentioned aptitude and dpkg in the same sentence since no-one made any reference to them with respect to holds
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01:31<retrospectacus1>it's working now, says darkice is kept back
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01:32<faheem>jm_: dpkg holds are not respected by aptitude
01:32<faheem>what is unclear about that?
01:32<faheem>or not consistently i mean
01:32<faheem>maybe you are referring to some other kind of hold?
01:33<faheem>i submitted a bug report about that in 2002 or sometime around there
01:34<jm_>faheem: yes, I know that, but why are you mentioning it? I never said they are
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01:37<faheem>jm_: it's sort of relevant if you are trying to hold a package to know that a well known package manager ignores such holds, that is all
01:38<faheem>with reference to your earlier comment - < jm_> you can put it on hold
01:39<jm_>that's like saying - 'write a shell script" and you would come up with something like "a script that uses bash specifics won't work with dash"
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01:46<sney>he's probably just predicting the kind of issues the user guy will come back with
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01:47<sney>some of these guys, you don't spell everything out, they come back and call you an asshole because they tried something slightly different and it didn't work
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01:51<erin>ah the joys of linux
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02:36<Txt_file>I have a problem with pcmanfm; I'm running Debian/testing/amd64. It looks like pcmanfm can't recognize the filetypes. It shows all files as either executable or unknown.
02:37<nima0102>in order to install Nvidia driver on squeeze amd64, while installation process, recommend to install source of kernel,may tell me name of package of source kernel ???
02:37<nima0102>in order to install Nvidia driver on squeeze amd64, while installation process, recommend to install source of kernel,may tell me name of package of source kernel ???
02:38<jm_>nima0102: the instructions are on the Debian wiki page
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02:38<jm_>!tell nima0102 -about nvidia
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02:38<nima0102>jm_, tahnks for your attetnuon
02:39<gsimmons>Txt_file: Sounds like you hit Debian bug #550695.
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02:42<Txt_file>gsimmons: doesn't look fixed to me ... but anyway thanks ... I will take a look if I can get some info to write a bugreport or resolve the bug at my pc
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02:48<nima0102>what difference with kernel-source and kernel-header packages????
02:49<jm_>-source has complete sources
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02:55<Txt_file>is there a way to automatically write a changelog when I upgrade/install/remove packages with aptitude?
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02:58<jm_>Txt_file: write what kind of a changelog?
02:58<jm_>Txt_file: apttiude logs stuff to /var/log/aptitude if that's what you mean
02:59<Txt_file>jm_: looks like this log is what I searched
02:59<jm_>Txt_file: there's also dpkg.log in case you need it
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03:20<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to make my system use a certain keyboard layout in text consoles? console-setup is 1.47 but keyboard is only correct in X
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03:23<jm_>trueno: what if you use old style config via console-tools?
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03:24<trueno>jm_: I have just upgraded... how can I make it use the old style config?
03:24<jm_>trueno: do you have console-tools installed?
03:25<trueno>jm_: YES
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03:25<Scub>hey guys im trying to build a kernel module and im not sure if the versions of my headers match up
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03:27<Scub>I cant seem to find the header version 2.6.30-3*
03:27<jm_>trueno: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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03:27<Scub>I keep getting 2.6.30-6 for the headers
03:27<trueno>jm_: Done
03:28<Scub>I was wondering if I need those to be exactly the same when I try to compile the module, and if so how would I got about finding that certain version
03:28<trueno>jm_: Do I have to reboot to test?
03:28<jm_>trueno: see if just starting init script works first
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03:30<trueno>jm_: there is just console-setup and console-setup (or setupcon) works from terminal if logged, both as root and as regular user. X works as well but the thing is that it is as if the script was not ...
03:30<trueno>properly executed at boot
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03:33<jm_>trueno: I don't use console-setup, see also "man install-keymap"
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03:38<trueno>jm_: could there be a conflict between old style and new syle configurations?
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03:38<jm_>trueno: yes it's quite possible, it's probably better to use only one and fix that
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03:40<trueno>jm_: mmm.. I have console-common, console-data, console-setup, console-terminus, console-tools
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03:42<jm_>trueno: yeah console-tools, kbd and console-setup can be used for this
03:42<jm_>apparently console-setup is the new way because it can configure both console and X
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03:42<trueno>jm_: I have removed console-common
03:43<trueno>jm_: I am going to reboot in order to see if it works and then come back. Any suggestions before rebooting
03:44<jm_>trueno: I would still try to use only one of these tools and fix it if it doesn't work
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03:45<trueno>jm_: yes, I have removed console-common, the rest have dependency problems so I have left them... So I will reboot and be back, thanks
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04:18<janke>Добрый деньэ
04:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:18<janke>можете помочь?
04:18<jm_>ne mozemo :)
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04:38<nima0102>I have install "flashplugin-nonfree " on squeeze amd64 but I do not still have flash player on my firefox.Is there any solution ?????
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04:41<Jsnix>nima0102, flash player for 64 bits is still under development
04:42<Nemoder>nima0102: make sure you don't have gnash or swfdec installed, check about:plugins and check that you have the lib installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
04:42<Jsnix>and it is probably not included in the repositories
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04:43<Nemoder>nima0102: are you using iceweasel or a downloaded firefix binary?
04:44<nima0102>nemoder, the out put is empty.
04:44<nima0102>nemoder, I have firefox binary .
04:44<Nemoder>then you may have to install it manually to wherever firefox installed to
04:44<jm_>~/.mozilla/plugins works
04:45<Nemoder>yeah, copy the .so file to there or use adobe's installer
04:45<Jsnix>but does the 32 bits version work on a 64 bits system?
04:45<Nemoder>Jsnix: only with a 32bit browser
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04:46<Nemoder>Jsnix: the 64bit flash plugin is just as stable as the 32bit version, at least for me
04:46<nima0102>nemoder,may you give me more guidance about this problem??
04:47<Nemoder>nima0102: did you install the 32bit firefox or 64bit?
04:47<nima0102>nemoder, my firefox is 32 bit.
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04:47<Nemoder>then you'll need to manually install the 32bit plugin, the package wont work since it is made for 64
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04:48<Nemoder>nima0102: the simplest solution is to just use iceweasel instead, it is 97% the same as firefox
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04:48<nima0102>Nemoder, Is there any solution???
04:50<Jsnix>nima0102, download the 32 bit plugin from adobe's web site
04:50<Jsnix>and install it manually
04:52<nima0102>Jsnix,thanks, Do I install tar.gz or .deb package??
04:52<Jsnix>open up the tar.gz
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04:52<Jsnix>and copy the .so file to
04:53<peej>how do I clone an example.vdi in virtualbox (=version 1.66) in lenny ?
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04:53<Jsnix>or /home/<username/.mozilla/plugins
04:53<Jsnix>one of these should work
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04:54<Jsnix>btw, you are welcome :)
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04:55<Jsnix>does it work now?
04:56<nima0102>Jsnix,I am downloading :(
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04:57<nima0102>Jsnix,when is flash player 64bit releases???
04:58<Jsnix>no idea, I hope they release it soon, though
04:58<Nemoder>64bit flash player was released 1 year ago exactly
04:58<Jsnix>you can already get the beta one
04:58<Jsnix>and it works well
04:58<Nemoder>interesting, they just released a new 10.1 32bit version today
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05:00<nima0102>Nemodor, Has 64bit version many problem that you suggested that???
05:00<Nemoder>it works for me, but you need 64bit browser to use it
05:00<nima0102>Jsnix,in my path,there is no plugins :( Do i create it?
05:01<Jsnix>in both paths?
05:01<nima0102>Nemodor, that means you are using flash player 64bit for one year without any problem???
05:01<Nemoder>nima0102: yes
05:01<nima0102>Jsnix,no only plugins.
05:02<nima0102>Nemodor, Are you using iceweasel or firefox ??
05:02<Nemoder>i have only had 1 issue, if too many videos are playing at once the sound will get choppy until i restart browser
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05:02<Nemoder>but it works in opera too
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05:04<nima0102>Jsnix,no only plugins is not on my path, Do i create it???
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05:07<Jsnix>try creating it, yeah
05:07<Jsnix>I assume it was not created earlier since you probably have not installed any plugins at all
05:09<nima0102>Jsnix,I have created it and copied to that path,but while staring firefox, is crashed.
05:11<Jsnix>rename the plugins folder to something else
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05:11<Jsnix>and check whether it crashes again
05:12<nima0102>Jsnix,no it did not crashed but flash player is not working:(
05:14<nima0102>Jsnix,but "about:plugins" shows some information about shockwave flash.
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05:14<Jsnix>where to did you copy the .so file?
05:15<Jsnix>/home/user/.mozilla/plugins or usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
05:15<Jsnix>try changing it
05:15<Jsnix>to the other one
05:15<Jsnix>create it if necessary
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05:16<nima0102>i copied to /home/user/.mozilla/plugins
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05:16<nima0102>in other path there is one file with name ""
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05:18<Jsnix>are you sure your firefox is 32 bit?
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05:23<nima0102>Jsnix,where can i fond 64bit version of firefox???
05:23<Jsnix>I think here
05:24<nima0102>Jsnix,where can i fond 64bit version of firefox not flash player???
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05:25<Jsnix>firefox's site
05:25<Jsnix>google it
05:26<jamesuk>How can I mount a encrypted LVM file system from the install console so that I can do a chroot?
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05:28<gsimmons>jamesuk: Since lenny, D-I's rescue mode supports encrypted LUKS partitions ; /msg dpkg rescue mode
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05:30<jamesuk>gsimmons: I've tried booting a 5.0.3 install cd and I can not get the machine to see it but it will boot from an older beta 2 cd. I've not been able to work out what I need to do in the rescue mode. I've deleted all the files in /boot.
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05:31<koollman>I have a strange probleme. I am looking for the manpage of stdint. apt-file reports : 'manpages-posix-dev: /usr/share/man/man7/stdint.h.7posix.gz' But aptitude says 'Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "manpages-posix-dev"'
05:31<koollman>Both are freshly updated
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05:31<jm_>koollman: it's in non-free
05:32<koollman>oh. that explains it, a bit.
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05:41<Jsnix>can I play MP3 and DVDs in Debian?
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05:41<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
05:42<Jsnix>it is not that I support it, but it is useful in a way for most people
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05:43<Jsnix>is dpkg a bot?
05:43<jm_>!are you a bot?
05:43<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
05:43<gsimmons>jamesuk: Provided the installer is able to detect your disks, you should be prompted to enter the passphrase for your encrypted volume. After that, you'll be asked to select the device providing to use as the root file system, then you can have a shell executed at that location.
05:43<nima0102>Jsnix,in on support I have read firefox is not 64bit application, is that true???
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05:44<Jsnix>I am not sure, nima0102
05:44<koollman>hmm. so, next question. Is it possible to install properly only one package (manpages-posix-dev) from non-free, without making available all the other non-free stuff ?
05:44<Jsnix>but is not IceWeasel good?
05:45<Jsnix>koollman, I do not think so, as you would naturally have to enable the entire repository
05:45<jm_>you can download just a single package and install it by hand
05:45<Jsnix>unless you have its .deb, as jm_ mentioned
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05:46<koollman>well, I suppose it will be 'proper' enough. I doubt it's upgraded often
05:46<Jsnix>nima0102, is not IceWeasel good for you?
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05:47<nima0102>Jsnix,what difference is between firefox and IceWeasel??
05:47<Jsnix>nima0102, I have not seen any
05:48<Jsnix>nima0102, and by that I mean ANY
05:48<Jsnix>nima0102, the name is different, if that counts xD
05:48<Jsnix>nima0102, but that is all I spotted
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05:49<nima0102>Jsnix,last version of IceWeasel on squeeze??
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05:50<Jsnix>not sure nima0102, this is my first day using Debian
05:50<jm_>judd versions iceweasel
05:50<judd>jm_: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.5-1
05:50<Jsnix>judd is another bot?
05:50<judd>Jsnix: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
05:51<nima0102>thanks jm_
05:51<Jsnix>judd versions firefox
05:51<judd>Jsnix: firefox -- etch: etch-security:
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05:51<dpkg>methinks firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>.
05:51<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see and ask me about <d-s-a>.
05:51<jm_>nima0102: you're probably fine if you get 3.5.5 from sid
05:52<jm_>(on squezee)
05:52<Jsnix>so theoretically you can still use old Debian releases normally?
05:52<nima0102>jm_, Does it work with flash player ??
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05:53<jm_>nima0102: why wouln't it? of course it works
05:53<Jsnix>jm_, what about the repositories?
05:53<nima0102>jm_, with 64bit system?and flash player 64bit??
05:53<jm_>Jsnix: which ones?
05:53<Jsnix>jm_, all of them
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05:54<Jsnix>I mean, if I install Debian 2.0, can I still apt-get install xxx?
05:55<jm_>Jsnix: yes
05:55<jm_>!tell Jsnix -about archive
05:55<Jsnix>jm_, that sounds wonderful! can all distributions do that?
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05:56<jm_>Jsnix: obviously not
05:56<Jsnix>that is something that really adds up to Debian
05:57<Jsnix>because sometimes companies drop their support for some drivers
05:57<Jsnix>just as nVIDIA and ATI did for their legacy cards
05:58<jm_>nima0102: there is 64bit flash plugin too
05:58<jm_>nvidia has legacy driver
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05:58<nima0102>jm_,for IceWeasel or firefox???
05:58<Jsnix>but nVIDIA is dropping their support for some cards
05:59<jm_>nima0102: it's the same for both
05:59<Jsnix>there you are, nima0102
05:59<Jsnix>flash player 64 bit
06:00<Jsnix>scroll down and download it XD
06:00<Jsnix>try putting it in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins
06:00<Jsnix>remove the old one if it is still there
06:01<jamesuk>gsimmons: The rescue mode has detected the disks and is asking for me to enter the root partition. I have two options <snip>/lun0/part1 and <snip>/lun0/part2. Part one has an unencrypted /boot and part2 is encrypted every thing else. What do I enter as the root file system? It doesn't like part2. Part1 gives me more options; execute shell in part1, execute shell in installer, reinstall GRUB and a few others.
06:01<nima0102>Jsnix,thanks I will check it and inform you the resilt
06:02<Jsnix>you are welcome :)
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06:05<jamesuk>gsimmons: The text installer has not asked me for a password for the encrypted LVM, but the gui installer does. Can I get to a console from the gui installer?
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06:07<Jsnix>does not Ctrl+Alt+F2 work?
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06:07<jamesuk>Jsnix: I'll check
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06:08<thatperson>heya :)
06:08<Jsnix>hello, ron04
06:08<thatperson>could someone lend a hand with an install, i'm completely lost
06:09<Jsnix>I can, thatperson
06:09<thatperson>ah, thanks :)
06:09<thatperson>pm or here?
06:09<Jsnix>I reckon pm is better, I was going to suggest it
06:11<gsimmons>jamesuk: A shell "window" will be opened for you within the graphical installer anyway. Interesting that you were only prompted for the passphrase in graphical rescue mode. Which installer image are you using?
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06:13<nima0102>Jsnix,unfortunately it is not installed :(
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06:14<Jsnix>nima0102, I do not know what could be the problem :/
06:14<jamesuk>I managed to get console from the gui installer with Ctrl+Alt+F2. But the passphrase was my fault, I picked up an etch image not a Lenny one! Re-trying.
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06:16<jamesuk>Lenny image worked. Need to work out what I need to do to, so that I can re-populate /boot
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06:17<gsimmons>jamesuk: Manually mount /boot and reinstall the relevant linux-image-* package on your system (e.g. aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2-686).
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06:23<jamesuk>gsimmons: Will installing the relevant linux-image also sort out GRUB?
06:23<gsimmons>jamesuk: Do you need to sort out GRUB? You said you only deleted files in /boot.
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06:25<jamesuk>gsimmons: I thought there were some GRUB files in /boot
06:25<jamesuk>gsimmons: Any ideas what image I would need for a Intel Core2 Duo?
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06:29<gsimmons>jamesuk: You should already have a linux-image-* package installed, use "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" to determine. You can use the grub-install and the update-grub commands to repopulate /boot/grub if you previously removed this.
06:29<jm_>make sure you use /usr/sbin/update-grub directly if you're using chroot (it often has PATH set incorrectly)
06:30<gsimmons>Ah, that too.
06:31<jamesuk>thanks, just rebooting now
06:31<jamesuk>grub has appeared on the screen with "grub>", what now?
06:32<jm_>did you run update-grub ?
06:32<jm_>and grub-install with --root-directory?
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06:33<jm_>maybe it was grub-install that had to be called with /usr/sbin, I forgot ;)
06:33<jamesuk>I ran /usr/sbin/update-grub and it appeared to work.
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06:35<jm_>did you use --root-directory option when installing?
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06:39<jamesuk>jm_: sorry, what do you mean by "--root-directory option when installing"?
06:39<jm_>jamesuk: grub-install --root-directory ... it's a must with separate /boot
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06:41<jamesuk>jm_: Should I run "/usr/sbin/update-grub --root-directory" ?
06:43<thatperson>got a problem with a sarge 2.4 install, just goes to the console instead of doing anything after the partitioning and base install is done
06:43<thatperson>anyone know what's up?
06:43<jm_>jamesuk: no, grub-install --root-directory=/boot ...
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06:47<jamesuk>jm_: Humm, doesn't like that, comes back with "install_device not specified"
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06:47<jm_>jamesuk: did you specify one in place of ...?
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06:48<jamesuk>jm_? are no. what do I need to replace the ... with?
06:48<jm_>jamesuk: your disk, i.e. /dev/sda or "(hd0)" or ...
06:48<jm_>be careful with it
06:49<jamesuk>jm_: OK, thanks, I belive I need to run "grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda"
06:49<jm_>jamesuk: yeah sounds good
06:49<jm_>make sure /boot is mounted
06:50<jm_>I think it's this one that will complain to run /usr/sbin/grub-install
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06:51<jamesuk>jm_: /boot mounted but the command returned, "/dev/sda: Mot found or not a block device."
06:51<perk>jamesuk, presumably you have partitions on your device
06:51<jamesuk>jm_: should I be using /dev/sda1 as that is where /boot is?
06:51<jm_>jamesuk: no! do you have /dev and /proc populated in chroot?
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06:52<jamesuk>jm_: there are some entries under /dev but /proc is empty
06:53<jm_>!tell jamesuk -about fixmbr
06:53<jm_>jamesuk: check the commands for /dev and /proc in what dpkg told you
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06:55<jamesuk>jm_: thanks for the info. But I'm a little confused. Shouldn't /proc already be there as I've mounted /root?
06:56<jamesuk>jm_: are OK, I think I get what you mean now. when I'm mounting stuff before I chroot I need to "mount --bind /dev /target/dev"?
06:56<jm_>jamesuk: it's available in rescue system but not in chroot, when you chroot your new / becomes what you specify as an argument to chroot
06:57<jamesuk>do I need to do this for /proc as well?
06:57<jm_>jamesuk: indeed
06:57<jm_>jamesuk: no proc is mounted inside chroot
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06:57<jm_>so mount /proc once you do chroot, just like what dpkg told you
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07:13<Jsnix>bye folks
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07:15<jamesuk>jm_: the /dev and /proc thing worked but it seams that I'm struggeling to re-install the linux-image, aptuitue update will not connect for some reason
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07:22<jm_>jamesuk: do you have it in /var/cache/apt/archives?
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07:23<jm_>sorry for slow response, I am messing with gadgets at the same time
07:23<jamesuk>jm_: I'll check, just rebooting now
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07:29<jamesuk>jm_: Starting to look better. I have "update-grub" and then "grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda" but I get the error "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda. Check your device map."
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07:32<jm_>jamesuk: did you mount both /proc and /dev?
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07:34<jamesuk>jm_: yes. Looking at /dev there are entries for sda, sda1 and sda2, which looks right.
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07:37<jamesuk>jm_: looing in /boot/grub/menu.lst, there are several entries for the boot options, these refere to /dev/hda1, should these not be sda1?
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07:41<jm_>jamesuk: if they are for root then sda1 is OK
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07:46<jamesuk>jm_: I needed to updat the grub device file. I have run the rest of the commands and on rebooting the grub boot screen is there. However, becuase everything apart form /boot is encrypted it doesn't get that far. What do I need to do to deal with this LVM and encryption?
07:46<jm_>jamesuk: hmm did you check the error file it leaves in /tmp?
07:46<jm_>jamesuk: but /boot is not encrypted, right?
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07:47<jamesuk>I'll do that now. /boot is not encrtpted but is just hangs saying waiting for root file system.
07:47<jm_>ok so the fact that / is shouldn't be a problem
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07:48<jamesuk>jm_: but I'm not being asked for a phasephrase as I did before.
07:48<jm_>jamesuk: I never used encryption, but I think there are articles on, check there
07:49<jm_>jamesuk: sorry I am only familiar with GRUB, but the crypto stuff is beyond me
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07:49<jamesuk>jm_: thanks, Ill check
07:50<jm_>jamesuk: you can pass debug and initramfs will print a lot of crap, it also knows cryptopts argument
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07:51<jamesuk>jm_: thanks for the help. I will have a go at that in a bit. got to go out for an hour. Thanks for all your help.
07:52<jm_>jamesuk: no worries
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08:28<ShaMun>In my local apache,php server i can run my PHP functions, but in the hosted server they are using > (Exim 4.69) , when i send "MIME-Version: 1.0 content-type:multipart/mixed; boundary="..." for email" it send the email as a email body. what is going wrong?
08:29<Torsten>how do i get the information if I#m using Lenny or Etch?
08:29<eightyeight>Torsten: cat /etc/debian_version
08:30<Torsten>Kernel "2.6.18-6-686"
08:30<Torsten>is Etch
08:30<eightyeight>that's etch
08:30<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
08:30<eightyeight>Titan8990: thx for the bot noise
08:32<dpkg><hellues> free dns my friend said to me <SerajewelKS> hellues: did you accidentally paste DNS server addresses there or what? <hellues> yeah i know but i am from Turkey some web site is banned for example youtube <hellues> because of that i wonna use static ip that works
08:32<jm_>ShaMun: are you sure PHP allows you to create mime messages?
08:33<ShaMun>jm_: yes in my local machine, i am doing that and in outlook,yahoo,gmail i can receive the email correctly. but using that hosted server (Exim program in unix) is making the email shape completely different.
08:34<jm_>ShaMun: I doubt it's exim touching it - check how mail is constructed when you receive it
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08:35<jm_>ShaMun: how do you create MIME messages in PHP then?
08:35<ShaMun>jm_: i have analyzed almost 2 months to complete only the email parts (like google, yahoo, all other webmails) in my local machine its working great, but my service provider server is using (Exim program where its only getting in wrong shape).
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08:37<ShaMun>jm_: here is the test email script:
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08:37<jm_>ShaMun: like I said, I doubt it's exim that's at fault
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08:38<ShaMun>jm_: how come the same php script working in my local windows, apache, php ?
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08:42<jm_>ShaMun: you should verify how this looks like when exim receives it
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08:42<ShaMun>jm_, ok thank you, i really need to quick fix it, thanks for your time!
08:42<jm_>ShaMun: well there won't be any fix if you don't analyze it first
08:43<jm_>I suppose I could test this locally
08:43<jm_>but not now, need to do some other stuff before I leave
08:43<ShaMun>jm_: i dont have unix or exim, i am a php coder on windows now.
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08:43*Anubis169 has a problem with an older installation
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08:43<ShaMun>jm_: my hosted service provider of my client i using cPanel where i have only access. i dont know more rest how to check exim logs?
08:44<Anubis169>basically, it installs ok up to the point where it reboots
08:44<jm_>ShaMun: do you have shell access?
08:44<Anubis169>but instead of the base-config, i get stuck in a terminal with no user, a read only fs, and no way of config'ing past that point
08:45<peej>I'm trying to switchoff (or lower the pressure sensitivity) of my touchpad. synclient TouchpadOff=1 gives me: Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled? Should I follow the procedure at ?
08:45<ShaMun>jm_: no only file browser, and phpmyadmin, like gui staffs.
08:46<jm_>ShaMun: can you check files in /var/log?
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08:47<ShaMun>jm_: this are the folders i have in web page:
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08:48<jm_>ShaMun: did you check the logs dir?
08:48<ShaMun>jm_: its empty
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08:50<jm_>ShaMun: well then you won't be able to check the logs, besides exim doesn't log such info
08:50<ShaMun>jm_: maybe does it have windows version ? so that i can locally install and debug my own.
08:51<peej>locklace, thanks. The Debian way is indeed neater.
08:51<jm_>ShaMun: you mean exim? I don't know, feel free to ask again tomorrow (but earlier than today) and I can test this script here
08:52<ShaMun>jm_, thanks a lot
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08:58<Titan8990>ShaMun, is this a VPS?
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08:59<ShaMun>Titan8990, i don tknow what is VPS sorry, this link is my problem, where using Exim i get invalid email preview.
09:01<Titan8990>ShaMun, exim wouldn't have anything to do with that
09:01<Titan8990>ShaMun, thats going to be between your IMAP/POP daemon and your email client
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09:02<Titan8990>ShaMun, all exim does it take email and either A) relay it to another SMTP server B) drop in a mbox or maildir to be served by a IMAP/POP daemon
09:02<Titan8990>although I am still unclear on exactly what the problem is
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09:04<Titan8990>ShaMun, a VPS is a virtual private server, you usually have that where you control everything or "shared hosting" where you basically have no control
09:04<ShaMun>Titan8990, email client would have nothing to do because in gmail,yahoo,outlook express,firebird i run same script i get output: Hello, But same script if i run via Exim hosted server, then i get that strange email with html codes visible.
09:05<jm_>it may be the script needs a simple fix, can't look in details now though
09:05<Titan8990>ShaMun, well, the script does have a typo on an </html> bracket
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09:05<Titan8990>ShaMun, the html rendering is done by your email client
09:06<ShaMun>Titan8990, rendering is fine i just made type mistake its xHTML no codeing faults for the (email browser object to redner it)
09:07<ShaMun>but i am surprised, its working script in my local machine, its giving me "Hello" in place of those html codes in email (causing by the unix hosted server)
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09:08<Titan8990>i highly doubt it... all its doing is sending plain text across a the internet
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09:08<Titan8990>when you open it up, your browser renders it as HTML
09:09<Titan8990>or email client
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09:09<jm_>ShaMun: did you look at how it's constructed?
09:10<ShaMun>i am trying to draw the senario to make you experts easier. maybe its unix \r\n or Exim itself. just give a minute plz.
09:11<jm_>just use \n in php
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09:11<Titan8990>the platform of UNIX does not change the SMTP, POP, or IMAP protocols... It does not change the character encoding either
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09:14<jm_>but \r\n is not a problem for any decent SMPT app
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09:14<Titan8990>it also terminates IRC data
09:14<jeromeg>what is \r?
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09:14<jm_>jeromeg: man ascii
09:15<jeromeg>jm_: thanks
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09:15<Titan8990>jeromeg, its a carriage return
09:15<jm_>jeromeg: in DOS/Windows \r\n is line ending, unix is \n only
09:15<Titan8990>most commonly found in dos
09:16<jeromeg>jm_: ah good to know, thanks a lot
09:16<jm_>ShaMun: yeah that's why you should check how the message is constructed, all the headers and mime stuff, I suspect top-level is wrong
09:16<jm_>but I have to run now
09:16<jm_>Mac is \r only I think
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09:17<ShaMun>ok, its somewhere... i need look at, any thanks a lot to all, bye
09:17<Titan8990>but IRC always ends \r\n
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09:33<jamesuk>I've just rebuilt GRUB as I deleted /boot. Rebooting the machine starts to work, I can select a linux-image in GRUB. But I can not access the root partition as this is an encrypted LVM. Is there any setup that I need to do in GRUB to allow me to enter the passphrase to decrype this LVM?
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09:39<Titan8990>jamesuk, your initrd has to have support for the encryption type
09:40<jamesuk>Titan8990: Any idea how I can check that?
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09:41<Titan8990>jamesuk, no... I don't have much experience with encypted / (nor do I understand why people would do it), so it was just a suggestion on something to look in to
09:43<jamesuk>OK, thanks. For LVM volumes, what do I need in the GRUB menu.lst? I curently have "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 root=/dev/hda1 ro" Should this not be sda1 or even "/dev/<LVM>/root"?
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09:44<Titan8990>jamesuk, your also running etch on a 486 kernel?
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09:44<Titan8990>jamesuk, it should be whatever your root partition is... I can't say because I don't know your setup but i really doubt its /dev/hda1
09:45<jamesuk>I installed from a Lenny beta CD a long time ago.
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09:45<Titan8990>jamesuk, and never upgraded?
09:45<Titan8990>you could be in a world of pain if you tried to upgrade now...
09:45<jamesuk>I have upgrade but don't know what happened with the kernel
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09:46<Titan8990>lenny was released with 2.6.26 kernel
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09:46<Titan8990>judd, versions linux-image-686
09:46<judd>Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22
09:46<Titan8990>.18 is etch
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09:47<Titan8990>jamesuk, if you chroot into the filesystem from a livecd, you should be able to just run `update-grub` and it will fix your menu.lst
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09:49<jamesuk>Titan8990: I remember what I have done.
09:49<Titan8990>jamesuk, whats that?
09:50<jamesuk>Before I copied some kernel images from other machine to /boot to see if that worked. It didn't and I have not removed them yet. I'm in chroot can I just delete them and the aptitude install linux-image-xzy?
09:51<Titan8990>jamesuk, i would recommend just doing aptitude install linux-image-686
09:51<Titan8990>if your system is i686 compatible
09:52<jamesuk>yep, it is. I'll try now.
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09:53<jamesuk>it complaines about "Can not write log, openpty() failed (dev/pts not mounted?)"
09:54<jamesuk>Looking in /dev there is a pts entry.
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09:55<Titan8990>jamesuk, did you mount /dev from the host filesystem?
09:56<jamesuk>/dev/pts is a dir, there is nothing below /dev/pts. Yes, I mounted it. "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev"
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09:56<Titan8990>and / is mounted to /mnt (which bad practice btw)?
09:57<jamesuk>/root = /mnt. Noted on the bad practice.
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09:59<jamesuk>what should I mount a chroot as then?
09:59<Titan8990>jamesuk, /mnt/<another dir deep>
10:00<Titan8990>jamesuk, it doesn't matter so much for this situation but on a normal system its a bad habit
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10:01<jamesuk>Titan8990: Thanks. Should I reboot and check what is in /dev/pts/ before I chroot?
10:01<Titan8990>jamesuk, I am reading that the error is not fatal, do things still work?
10:01<Titan8990>jamesuk, not yet, no
10:02<jamesuk>Titan8990: It appeared to complete but there are no files in /boot, so assume it failed.
10:02<Titan8990>jamesuk, do you have a seperate boot partition?
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10:03<justfil>How can I change the default scrot options?
10:03<jamesuk>yes. /boot - not encrypted, everything else is in a encrypted LVM.
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10:03<Titan8990>jamesuk, did you remember to mount /boot to /mnt/boot?
10:04<jamesuk>yes. I can see the grub dir there.
10:04<Titan8990>jamesuk, alright, give `update-grub` a try
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10:04<Titan8990>justfil, scrot?
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10:06<justfil>Titan8990, scrot is a commandline screen capture utility
10:06<jamesuk>Titan8990: Done. Looking at menu.lst, there are no boot options at the bottom of the file.
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10:08<Titan8990>justfil, /usr/share/doc/scrot/*?
10:09<Titan8990>jamesuk, they should get added to the top as the "default"
10:09<Titan8990>jamesuk, if it still doesn't appear to modfiy it, just to make a backup of it, move it, and run again
10:09<justfil>Titan8990, there's only change log in there
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10:11<jamesuk>Titan8990: Nothing there, I tried re-running. But still nothing. There are no kernel files in /boot
10:11<Titan8990>justfil, it doesn't look like it takes configuration
10:11<Titan8990>jamesuk, I must have been confused then... I thought you atleast had the .18 kernel there
10:12<jamesuk>Titan8990: Sorry, I moved that off to a sub folder, as you said it was from Etch. Will the kernel support encrypted LVM?
10:13<Titan8990>jamesuk, LVM, yes, I can only assume encryption, but that support would also need to be in the initrd
10:13<Titan8990>jamesuk, try reboot and this time when you chroot, instead of mounting the host dev try: cd /mnt/dev; MAKEDEV generic
10:14<Titan8990>then attempt to install the kernel image again
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10:15<jamesuk>Titan8990: Don't understand the "cd /mnt/dev; MAKEDEV generic" could I have more detail please
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10:15<Titan8990>jamesuk, after you mount the root partition again, for example, /mnt/, then you cd to the dev directory of that partition
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10:16<Titan8990>jamesuk, MAKEDEV generic creates a generic device tree in /dev, for times when the host /dev is not working out
10:16<Titan8990>well, sorry, it makes it in your current working directory
10:16<jamesuk>cd to the /mnt/dev and then run the command "MAKEDEV generic". I'll do it now. Thanks
10:17<Titan8990>jamesuk, wait
10:17<Titan8990>jamesuk, you want to reboot first because you don't want to do with the host /dev/ still mounted
10:17<Titan8990>jamesuk, you can try to unmount it first but I am not sure that you can
10:17<jamesuk>just rebooting now.
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10:19<dmz>anyone here using ldap/radius w/debian?
10:19<jamesuk>Titan8990: shall I run the "MAKEDEV generic" before I chroot?
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10:20<Titan8990>jamesuk, yes
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10:21<Titan8990>dmz, have experimented with radius, most of the time you will want to compile your own freeradius package
10:21<Titan8990>and thats the only time you will hear me recommend a non-debian package hehe
10:21<jamesuk>Titan8990: Just looking in the /mnt/dev folder before I run "MAKEDEV generic" and it already has a load of stuff in it.
10:21<Titan8990>dmz, the debian package lacks certain openssl support because of conflicts with the DFSG
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10:22<Titan8990>jamesuk, I see
10:23<jamesuk>Titan8990: But this time there is no /mnt/dev/pts/
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10:23<jamesuk>Titan8990: Shall I run the "MAKEDEV generic" now?
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10:25<Titan8990>jamesuk, let me test it first
10:26<jamesuk>Titan8990: thanks
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10:27<Titan8990>jamesuk, yeah... bad idea to use on an existing populated /dev
10:28<Titan8990>jamesuk, it just gave me duplicates and not dev/pts/*
10:28<Titan8990>hehe, good thing I had an unused debian filesytem laying around
10:28<Titan8990>jamesuk, I am running low on ideas however
10:29<jamesuk>OK I'll just check the diffs now.
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10:30<arw>hello folks
10:30<dmz>Titan8990 i was more curious on the client side; my radius server is a commercial 2 factor auth system working great with my centos & windows machines; just can't get ldap/radius working with the debian machines
10:31<jamesuk>Titan8990: There are loads of differences beteen the two. /dev appears to be more complete than /mnt/dev
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10:32<Titan8990>jamesuk, try to bind mount it again
10:32<jamesuk>then chroot?
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10:32<Titan8990>jamesuk, yes
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10:32<Titan8990>jamesuk, well, did you mount proc the first time?
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10:33<Titan8990>jamesuk, also give this a try: mount -t none proc /mnt/proc
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10:33<Titan8990>jamesuk, prior to chroot
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10:33<dmz>nm., was nscd interfering with it
10:34<jamesuk>Titan8990: I think I mounted /proc the first time. However, I've just chroot'ed with out the "mount -t none proc /mnt/proc".
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10:34<Titan8990>yeah, you can chroot without either one, but may have trouble doing things
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10:36<jamesuk>OK, I will reboor again and try. But in the mean time I've just tried re-installing the linux-image and it didn't work. Rebooting now.
10:39<jamesuk>Titan8990: "mount -t none proc /mnt/proc" failed with error "mount: Mounting proc/ on /mnt/proc/ failed: No such device"
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10:41<jamesuk>Looking at the console / proc is there and it contains a number of entries. So amd consused why it didn't mount.
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10:50<Titan8990>jamesuk, sorry, but I have to run now
10:50<Titan8990>jamesuk, I suggest moving over to #debian on
10:51<jamesuk>Titan8990: Thanks for all your help.
10:51<Titan8990>jamesuk, np, I will still be around just need to get some work done
10:51<jamesuk>OK, thanks. I'm going to keep going.....
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11:21<SupahPiggyGpH>anybody in here
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11:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:29<cahoot>he's long gone
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11:49<rufensis>After an update yesterday I now have a networking problem. I can longer connect to the ubuntu machine I use as a media server. The machine that was updated runs lenny with a 2.6.30 kernel. Basically where I used to see the mount for the ubuntu machine, all I see now is Windows Network and when I click on it I am prompted for a password - only none of mine work.
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11:53<Titan8990>rufensis, where did you get the .30 kernel for lenny?
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11:55<rufensis>Titan8990: I messed up above. I'm actually using Squeeze. The kernel I got some time ago. Backports? I think. I did not have to compile it myself.
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11:56<Titan8990>rufensis, what protocol is the media server running? cifs?
11:58<rufensis>Titan8990: it has libsmbclient installed. Is that what you mean?
11:58<Titan8990>rufensis, how do you access the media server?
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12:00<rufensis>Titan8990: always through a linksys router, and the sever is connected to it by ethernet. The laptop client used to connect through wireless and ethernet, both machine's devices are managed by network manager.
12:01<Titan8990>rufensis, there are tons of file transfer protocols... you could be uses SMB/CIFS, FTP, HTTP, avahi, or any number of different methods of accessing files on a different server
12:01<Titan8990>rufensis, which do you use?
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12:03<rufensis>Titan8990: how can I query that from my system? I have never had to adjust anything to either machine. They both just worked together and discovered each other before.
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12:06<locklace>dpkg: flw
12:06<dpkg><belracu> there is no ignorance in linux ... every thing is open
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12:10<sniffer>Hi All. Any powerpc experts out there? I'm experiencing strange framebuffer and keyboard problems on an IBM 44p-170 after upgrading.
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12:17<faheem>anyone know why debhelper does that and what it means?
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12:19<Titan8990>faheem, does what?
12:19<faheem>Titan8990: 12:17 -!- mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper
12:19<faheem>what's it doing?
12:20<rufensis>Titan8990: I am almost sure I am using smb for the protocol. I can at least see shares on the laptop client when I click on networks on the ubuntu machine. It shows a Print share on the debian laptop and under properties "smb://" in the location.
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12:20<faheem>for clarity, i'm referring to debhelper the channel bot :-)
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12:20<metalqga>faheem raises the limit for users who can join the #?
12:21<themill>faheem: changing the limit to the number of people in the channel -- preventing bot floods
12:21<Titan8990>rufensis, I don't use SMB/CIFS, nor do I know much about it
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12:21<Titan8990>rufensis, when you upgraded did it alter your /etc/smb.conf or w/e it is?
12:22<rufensis>Titan8990: not that I know of
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12:23<rufensis>Titan8990: what do you use?
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12:23<Titan8990>rufensis, NFS or http/webdav
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12:25<Titan8990>avahi looks interesting but I have got around to trying it
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12:26<rufensis>Titan8990: I used to use NFS and then a year ago or so on an older machine I was having trouble and someone in this forum told me NFS was obsolete. NFS-common is installed on my laptop.
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12:27<Joshd1910>can sum1 tell me where i can learn to use debian?
12:28<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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12:28<jamesuk>Titan8990: I managed to get some where with my problems. I needed to mount /dev/pts, then aptitude purge linux-image and then re-installed. The system will boot to grub but I just need to work out how to enter the phasephrase to decrypt the LVM. Looks like I need to add some additional info to grub menu.lst. Thanks for the help.
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12:30<Titan8990>jamesuk, good to hear
12:30<Titan8990>rufensis, FTP is also "obsolete"
12:31<Titan8990>rufensis, but you see how widely used that is
12:31<Titan8990>nothing compares to FTP or NFS speed
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12:32<rufensis>Titan8990: True. Do you know if nfs and smb interfere with each other. Do I need to strip my systems of smb to make nfs work? I wouldn't mind having the "Windows network" icon gone.
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12:35<Joshd1910>would getting rid of windows be a good idea?
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12:40<fdutra>hey you!
12:41<Xenguy>(is there anybody out there)
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12:42<fdutra>hey you
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12:44<fdutra>some body here... who have the invite of therebels?
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12:46<dk>Hi, Any idea how to keep boot time penguin logo stick while changing the tty
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12:46<fdutra>yes ... i know how do this
12:46<dk>ok ?
12:46<dk>how ?
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12:47<fdutra>just press enter
12:48<dk>enter? where ? did you understand the question clearly ?
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12:49<fdutra>aff... you need change the configurations.. what version do you use?
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12:50<slush>dk: you probably need linuxlogo installed
12:51<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
12:51<dk>slush: I have compiled it with new kernel and its boots when i boot my box with custom kernel
12:51<themill>fdutra: this is #debian. It's for support for debian users.
12:52<slush>dk: it's also a package ;)
12:52<fdutra>i understand, so why do you use custom kernels?
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12:53<dk>slush: so my question here is when i use clear command or changing tty using ctr+alt+F2 so on.. then its clearing the framebuffer .
12:53<fdutra>you can use the linux like you use the windows ... no have fear
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12:54<fdutra>mine is working ... cntrl + alt + f(number)
12:54<dk>fdutra: you need to compile the kernel , as per my knowledge in debian it was default in bf2.4 kernel
12:55<dk>fdutra: i am not taking about splash image ? i am taking about framebuffer penguin logo ?
12:55<fdutra>i understando
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12:56<fdutra>search youself
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12:57<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
12:58<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
12:58<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
12:58<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
12:58<fdutra>some body here have the invite for
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12:58<EagleRock>oh yeah, I remember tha tnow
12:58<EagleRock>i think it is a kernel option
13:00<slush>thanks FloodServ :)
13:00<tjfontaine>was it a valid spam?
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13:02<slush>dk: afaik the only option is to install the package and config it
13:02<slush>time for food
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13:03<dk>slush: ok
13:03<weasel>?last fdd
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13:21<themill>Event-Horizon: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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13:23<Event-Horizon>nope. Thank you!
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13:25<ramonperez>hola hola a todos buen di'a
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13:28<jpinx-eeepc>ramonperez: hola - /join debian-es
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13:59<Cadmium01>Is it safe to add deb lenny main to sources in order to install avidemx?
13:59<Titan8990>Cadmium01, are you running lenny?
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13:59<Titan8990>then yes, should be
13:59<dpkg>rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
14:00<Joshd1910>can sum1 tell me how to update to flash player 10
14:00<Cadmium01>dmm lenny
14:00<kmap>!tell Cadmium01 about dmm lenny
14:01<Cadmium01>Titan8990, kmap thanks
14:01<kmap>Cadmium01: No problems
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14:10<Xenguy>YATTA ?
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14:11<davi>How to enable sound in the Potato Guy KDE game?
14:12<davi>The sound is working in my system but not for the Potato Guy game
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14:12<davi>I have the English Speech in the Potato Guy game but is does not do anything
14:13<davi>Maybe I must install sound files too, or enable the art sound daemon in KDE? (Lenny)
14:13<cahoot>davi sound options to mess with?
14:15<davi>SOLVED: reading Potato Guy help clicking Help menu in the app. It reads "have kdemultimedia installed and artsd running to be able to hear sounds."
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14:45<flippy10>Hey. I need some packaging/maintainer advice real bad. Are you guys all idling? :)
14:45<Titan8990>flippy10, #debian-mentors
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14:45<flippy10>Thanks. Appreciate it.
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14:46<Titan8990>flippy10, you may not find "fast" help there but its the spot for your question
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14:54<locklace>dpkg: revolution!
14:54<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
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14:55<dpkg>[21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that.
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14:56<Guest2463>hello, i'm trying to build iceweasel from source, but when I build it I get Shiretoko, If I wanted Shiretoko, I wouldn't have downloaded the source from debian!
14:58<Guest2463>what I'm really asking is, there is a .diff file, that I think should make this into iceweasel before the build, problem is, I don't know how to use it
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15:00<Guest2463>Hello, i'm trying to build iceweasel from source, but when I build it I get Shiretoko, If I wanted Shiretoko, I wouldn't have downloaded the source from debian! What I'm really asking is, there is a .diff file, that I think should make this into iceweasel before the build, problem is, I don't know how to use it
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15:01<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy>
15:01<locklace>dpkg: source
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15:03<Guest2463>locklace: I downloaded the source from debian, I'm trying to build it on a mac, I know it seems a bit odd, but I just want to run iceweasel on the apple partition of my computer too. When I build it it becomes Shiretoko
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15:05<locklace>s/odd/fundamentally brain-damaged/
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15:10<Guest2463>probably true, but I'll get worse If I don't get this working ^___^
15:11<locklace>thanks for the warning
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15:17<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy>
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15:20<elops>what is the command to get active network interface data from the console?
15:21<locklace>what kind of data
15:22<elops>i want all of the network interfaces on my machine
15:22<flippy10>elops: Sounds like you're looking for ifconfig
15:22<elops>and their data
15:22<elops>like eth0
15:22<locklace>ifconfig -a
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15:26<sdsdsd>Is there a way to use ubuntuone on Debian?
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15:28<flippy10>!package recompile
15:28<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source>
15:28<Hydroxide>sdsdsd: possibly, but that's something you should ask canonical about. that's outside the scope of #debian
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15:29<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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15:30<dpkg>i guess irony is "Well, I just installed Debian...glad to be rid of that hated Micro$oft, is there a mIRC for Debian? And how do I set up VMWare so I can emulate the OS I hate and ruin the performace of the OS I'm not qualified to be using? --Liena"
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15:30<EagleRock>that is awesome
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15:32<cahoot>to what extent of certainty does 'awesome' signify that the person excaliming it is a 15-25 year old american ?
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15:35<Titan8990>cahoot, american maybe but I wouldn't be so sure about estimating age based on its usage
15:36<EagleRock>cahoot: 27, so you were close :-/
15:37<EagleRock>wow, Australia leads the world in awesome
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15:46<cocolocko>hi, can someone tell me a very good debian german irc channel?
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15:47<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:02<elops>is there a way to put a timer on in terminal to do something, e.g. in 60 minutes do sudo apt-get install?
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16:03<EagleRock>elops: as in every 60 minutes, or just a one time occurrance?
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16:05<locklace>elops: "repeat 1 {sleep 3600; sudo apt-get install}"
16:05<locklace>replace 1 with n to do it n times
16:06<elops>thanks alot =)
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16:07<icarus>Anyone got some pointers on how to deal with an unresponsive laptop keyboard during installation ? I can plug in a USB keyboard but that way I won't know if the keyboard (on the laptop) will ever work. Any general tips/pointers ? (Specifically, it's a Macbook Pro 5,1 unibody)
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16:10<kop>icarus: All I know is that there are settings for keyboard detection, somewhere.
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16:11<icarus>kop: what do you mean ?
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16:13<icarus>Perhaps I should elaborate a little. The keyboard works in the initial boot menu, but as soon as the kernel is loaded and the ncurses menus take over, the keyboard is unresponsive.
16:13<kop>icarus: There are parameters you can pass to the kernel that have something to do with the keyboard, and there's also something in /etc/console* (maybe) that does something as well. But I don't know what. So, the answer is 'maybe'.
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16:15<locklace>icarus: installation of what
16:15<babilen>icarus: you could also try the graphical installer. It might work there.
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16:17<icarus>I think I'm going to start building a list of kernel parameters and going from there :)
16:17<kop>icarus: This page says a firmware update will help. (But I don't know if it's for a 5.1)
16:19<icarus>kop: thanks :) But it seems to be the older MBP's (4 point something) based on the picture he included of his laptop
16:21<kop>icarus: It might possibly have to do with this:
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16:26<icarus>Might be, but I'm leaning a bit for this Someone posted that his laptop (a vostro, though) exhibited the same problems until he configured things to pass this kernel parameter. But it doesn't seem to work, I don't know if your link will either as some talk of Macbook 2,1 which is about as different from my Macbook 5,1 as any other laptop ;) I guess I'll have to find a USB harddrive to m
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16:53<jbergler> Hey wondering if someone could provide some assistance with some linking issues with shlibdeps, im trying to build some packages with a base and module debs, the lib files from the base package are missing from the module packages but this causes the build to fail. the lib path i need to set is essentially $(CURDIR)/debian/kamailio/usr/lib i think
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17:25<roxfiler>i have a question relating to but not about ubuntu. could a .deb created on a ubuntu system be installed on a debian system?
17:27<roxfiler>ok. what is that maybe dependent on?
17:28<roxfiler>and is there anything i could do on the ubuntu system create a more compatible dev environment?
17:28<roxfiler>or has this turned into a ubuntu question?
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17:35<benji_>Hi, I m running a fresh Debian unstable install and I cannot find my lovely applet which was pinging some hosts to see if they are up or down... Has it been removed?
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17:37<weasel>roxfiler: you could probably just debootstrap a sid/squeeze/lenny chroot and build in there
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17:46<benji_>nobody used this tiny applet?
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17:50<PovAddict>after significant frustration trying to compile stuff under Mac, I'll install the PowerPC port of Debian on my PowerBook :)
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18:08<juan11>Has anyone have success in setup a debian repo with reprepro tool? It's my dream make a local debian repo.
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18:15<juan11>Was anyone successful using reprepro tools,to make a local repo?
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18:17<dpkg>methinks reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages.
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18:20<juan11>I make the repository with this tool,however it does not work.
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18:22<juan11>*It does not work when i run $aptitude update ,i have the error: ign file Packages , ign file Release ...
18:22<themill>that's not an error
18:23<juan11>Whats its mean,ign=ignore?
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18:24<juan11>Then when i run $aptitude install from this repo: deb /home/juan/apt/ lenny ,the system cannot install the package.
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18:26<themill>juan11: perhaps pastebin the output of "aptitude update", "aptitude install <packagename>" and "apt-cache policy <packagename>" for whatever this package is. /msg dpkg pastebin
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18:30<juan11>This the output of $aptitude update:
18:30<juan11>sudo aptitude update
18:30<juan11>Ign file: lenny Release.gpg
18:30<juan11>Ign file: lenny/main Translation-en_US
18:30<juan11>Get:1 file: lenny Release [917B]
18:30<juan11>Ign file: lenny/main Packages
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18:34<themill>t juan11 paste
18:34<themill>dpkg tell juan11 about paste
18:34<juan11>excuse me ,i am a dumb newbie
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18:39<retrospectacus>can I regain a job that has been "disown"ed?
18:41<juan11>What is mean "paste"?
18:41<themill>juan11: the bot called "dpkg" sent you a message. It probably opened up in a different tab or window.
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18:50<simonrvn>retrospectacus: AFAIK no. i'm pretty sure it's 'no'. if you mean 'reattach to the terminal' by 'regain'.
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18:59<sithlord48>hey all can any one help me boot from the cd on my G3 B&W (powerpc disk)
18:59<sithlord48>i have already tired the normal method of holding the 'C' key and no luck
19:00<PovAddict>coincidentally, I'm burning a PowerPC CD right now
19:01<sithlord48>lol for a B&W G3 , cause that would be rather strange....
19:01<PovAddict>PowerBook G4
19:01<sithlord48>oh my buddies girl has one of them, sadly its slowly dying..
19:02<sithlord48>well i can't boot the cd.., just don't work, boots the hd after a few min...
19:02<sithlord48>tried a few diffrent burns, even diffrent ones(like the xfce disk), including other distros...
19:03<retrospectacus>simonrvn: thanks...
19:04<PovAddict>heh, I fail
19:05<PovAddict>I shut down the machine (OS X)
19:05<PovAddict>and then I couldn't put the CD in
19:05<sithlord48>lol nice..
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19:05<PovAddict>because it was off
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19:05<PovAddict>I turned it on and put the CD in, but by then it was already booting OS X... so I had to reboot again
19:06<PovAddict>and booted from CD correctly \o/
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19:06<simonrvn>retrospectacus: use screen, or such to get that
19:06<switchgirl>hi i'm writing a new debian machine to disk
19:07<switchgirl>why seperate the usr var home swap and other stuff?
19:07<PovAddict>there is a tux while booting :)
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19:09<sithlord48>i get a dumb osx apple :( it don't like my cd's ....
19:09<locklace>switchgirl: they don't need to be separate
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19:10<PovAddict>I used a single partition when installing
19:10<PovAddict>then changed my mind
19:10<PovAddict>so I booted from a Live CD, shrunk root partition, created new one, copied /home to it, edited fstab, and rebooted
19:11<locklace>!congratulate PovAddict
19:11<dpkg>Woohoo PovAddict, you did it!
19:12<PovAddict>yay, mac loaded network correctly
19:12<ichdasich>how did i survive in here, without knowing THAT bot command.
19:13<PovAddict>my dad's gonna kill me
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19:13<PovAddict>not because I'm installing Debian on what used to be his work laptop
19:14<PovAddict>but because I should be studying instead :>
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19:18<icarus_>PovAddict: which type of mac do you have ?
19:18<PovAddict>icarus_: PowerBook G4
19:18<PovAddict>my keyboard layout is not in the list :(
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19:19<PovAddict>the list seems pretty short compared to what I saw on my desktop machine
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19:22<PovAddict>anyone familiar with approx?
19:22<icarus_>If I wanted to back up my kernel, initrd + modules etc to use on some other non-debian install, which files do I need to snag ?
19:22<abrotman>didn't you use kernel-package ?
19:23<PovAddict>I have approx configured to map /debian into my closest and fastest mirror
19:23<PovAddict>however it doesn't support PowerPC
19:23<PovAddict>can I add a second mirror for the same directory, so that it's used as fallback if the first mirror doesn't have the requested file?
19:23<PovAddict>or will I have to use a new path?
19:23<PovAddict>apt-proxy supported multiple mirrors...
19:23<icarus_>abrotman: I did, but I just want to ensure that I get it all. I've tried installing debian on my macbook (to no avail, keyboard won't be recognized) and my idea was to copy over the debian kernel to my ubuntu install to ensure that the kernel's the culprit
19:24<abrotman>icarus_: okay .. it's a single .deb file
19:24<icarus_>and if so, i'd use the source from the kernel-source package in debian (with debian patches) to see whether I could fix it.
19:24<PovAddict>I don't know why people told me to use approx and that it was the latest and greatest... it really doesn't seem to be
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19:29<abrotman>PovAddict: i use it .. it's quite good
19:29<icarus_>abrotman: not entirely true, actually. The initrd isn't inside the package itself, it's genererated (probably via a postinst script) on install. I would've missed it ;)
19:29<PovAddict>can d-i resize Mac partitions?
19:31<abrotman>icarus_: right .. but uh .. aren't you going to install it on the other system via dpkg or gdebi or whatever package manager it uses ?
19:31<icarus_>PovAddict: wouldn't it be best to attempt doing so via the Mac OS X installer ? You needn't install OS X to resize partitions. There's a menu bar at the top during the install, fire up the disk utility and have a go at resizing the mac partitions from there ?
19:31<juan11>Here is the log and errors ,thanks all
19:31<abrotman>PovAddict: what's wrong with approx ?
19:32<icarus_>abrotman: nah I was thinking of just copying it over manually. I don't want to deal with any package hell :)
19:32<PovAddict>icarus_: the Mac CD includes a no-data-loss partition resizing tool?
19:32<abrotman>icarus_: oh .. you'll need the stuff in /boot/ and /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
19:32<PovAddict>icarus_: note that OS X is *already* installed and I don't want to reinstall
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19:33<abrotman>icarus_: FWIW .. dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r) .. it will dump all the files in the package
19:33<icarus_>PovAddict: not *entirely* sure. But I vaguely remember pulling about the partitions to adjust their sizes thought that may be during partition creation with that same tool. Anyway, the disk utility WILL warn you if you're about to nuke a partition.
19:34<PovAddict>I'm pretty sure I can't do it from inside OS X :P (I don't know of any FS that can be resized while mounted)
19:34<icarus_>PovAddict: the disk utility in the installer is also used for other taks which doesn't involve formatting a partition such as turning journaling off ( a must for read/write capability from linux, as I understand it )
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19:35<icarus_>PovAddict: no, not inside OS X.. Inside the OS X installer.
19:35<PovAddict>well, I shall go dig for the CD
19:35<icarus_>abrotman: yea, thanks :) Well. The modules are actually included in the kernel package too, but you're right about the /boot files
19:36<abrotman>icarus_: i'm confused if you're trying to use the package or cp
19:36<icarus_>PovAddict: just remember, just start the installer, as soon as it boots go for the menu item "Utilities" and then "Disk Utility". It will let you play with your disks.
19:37<icarus_>abrotman: I'll copy them over but I was already playing around with "dpkg -L" to see where the kernel package had stashed files :)
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19:56<switchgirl>god debian takes ages to install
19:57<roxfiler_>is whitepsace considered a special character when using sed?
19:58<PovAddict>no it's not
19:58<switchgirl>aww gots it wrong :(
19:58<PovAddict>but you have to use quotes so the shell passes your entire expression as a single argument to sed
19:58<roxfiler_>i'm inclined to go with Pov on this one
19:59<roxfiler_>5 points for effort though switchgirl
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20:00<switchgirl>yaaaaay do i gets a prize? roxfiler_ even though i got it wrong?
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20:01<retrospectacus>!beer switchgirl
20:01*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for switchgirl
20:02<switchgirl>thanks but... i'm a Muslim
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20:03<roxfiler_>ok. what's wrong with this?
20:03<switchgirl>cant drink
20:03<switchgirl>no biggy
20:03<PovAddict>icarus_: doesn't seem to let me non-destructively resize :(
20:04<roxfiler_>what's wrong with this? grep -r "[0-9]+\ \ "
20:04<PovAddict>grep -r "[0-9]\+ "
20:04<roxfiler_>i'm trying to grab about 4-6 digits followed by two spaces
20:04<roxfiler_>no. the plus is supposed to indicate repeating digits
20:04<PovAddict>that's how you do it in sed
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20:05<retrospectacus>grep -r "[0-9]{2-4} " *
20:05<retrospectacus>woops 4-6
20:05<PovAddict>it's \{4,6\}
20:06*roxfiler_ takes notes
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20:06<PovAddict>info sed
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20:08<whammo>hi does anybody know what I need to watch .flv through totem (i assume) on etch?
20:09<switchgirl>you could use vcl?
20:09<switchgirl>its built in with vcl
20:10<whammo>aha thanks i will try getting it now
20:10<whammo>i used totem for this in another distro, but am debian now so must learn the particulars, you know?
20:10<retrospectacus>it's vlc
20:11<switchgirl>that one thats got a trafic cone on it's head
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20:11<whammo>no i don't
20:11<whammo>kidding I know what you mean
20:11<whammo>yeah vlc is good for other stuff too haven't tried it here yet though
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20:12<x2y2>hi eveyone, how to play a .swf file ? Thanks
20:12<switchgirl>x2y2, yup vcl
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20:12<x2y2>OK, thanks ,I will try immediately
20:13*switchgirl high fives x2y2 and whammo glad to help
20:14<whammo>msg switchgirl thanks
20:14<icebrain>switchgirl: I believe VLC doesn't support swf, are you sure it does?
20:14<switchgirl>i assume it does - it supports EVERYTHING *terms&conditionsapply
20:15<icebrain>switchgirl: SWF is not a video format
20:15<switchgirl>pkg_add -r gnome2
20:15<switchgirl>sorry wrong box
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20:16<whammo>I have used vlc before to route audio from a video file out through jack and sync with ardour, and skip the step of extracting the audio. jack support is so handy but I fear jack may be dying
20:16<switchgirl>try that
20:16<x2y2>switchgirl: I haven't installed a vlc yet, I play it with mplayer ,it works. Thank you all the same
20:17<switchgirl>i'm just installing atm (used to ubuntu) - i am using ubuntu as host
20:19<x2y2>another question : How to hide joins and parts message in irssi? I try /set activity_hide_level joins parts, but I still get a lot of joins and parts message. Any suggestion?
20:19<whammo>you said the u word
20:20<PovAddict>at least it wasn't 'u'
20:20<PovAddict>dont u think that's more annoying?
20:20<whammo>heh yeah
20:20<whammo>not as annoying as pulse though
20:21<whammo>that one
20:21<x2y2>I have look for the documentation in official site of irssi, for my poor english, I can't understand it
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20:29<abrotman>switchgirl: wtf .. he can't use that package
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20:30<abrotman>it's for m68k .. do you know what m68k is?
20:31<abrotman>and secondly .. he should probably upgrade his box from etch to lenny
20:32<switchgirl>i dont know his hardware
20:32<abrotman>but do you know what m68k is?
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20:32<switchgirl>its for old motorola chips
20:34<switchgirl>"The Debian m68k port was first officially released with Debian 2.0 (hamm). Current Debian releases support Atari, Amiga, VMEbus, and some Macintosh systems. "
20:34<abrotman>anyways ...
20:35<abrotman>whammo: you probably would want the debian-multimedia stuff
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20:36<sixto>hey como puedo programar en cc+ en debian, nose si hay algun programa o como lo compilo
20:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:36<abrotman>oh .. that's portuguese isn't it ?
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20:42<switchgirl>umm why doesnt debian autoconnect?
20:42<switchgirl>i just installed the latest howd i get online?
20:42<cat6>google that
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20:59<PovAddict>abrotman: no, it was spanish
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20:59<PovAddict>abrotman: and maybe it's a good thing that you didn't understand it
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21:25<roxfiler_>anyone speak finnish?
21:25<roxfiler_>or is there a finnish channel for debian?
21:26<dpkg>methinks fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
21:26<abrotman>if it's still there
21:27<faheem>does anyone happen to know how i could checkout the svn repos corresponding to
21:27<PovAddict>svn co
21:27<PovAddict>also, the mercurial package maintained in a svn repo? wtf? :P
21:27<faheem>PovAddict: that doesn't work. apparently the viewsvn shouldn't be there
21:28<faheem>PovAddict: weird, i agree
21:28<faheem>at least according to someone on #svn (re viewsvn)
21:28<x2y2>hi friends, how can i hide the join and quit message in irssi?
21:28<PovAddict>faheem: ah yes, give me a minute
21:28<faheem>PovAddict: ok, thanks
21:28<x2y2>I have trid a script ,but it did not work here
21:29<PovAddict>replace with svn://
21:29<faheem>PovAddict: ok, sec
21:31<faheem>PovAddict: that worked. thanks very much
21:31<faheem>not sure why http is not supported
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21:37<faheem>PovAddict: it built! yay!
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21:38<abrotman>x2y2: /ignore JOINS, PARTS, QUITS <chan name> .. IIRC
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21:38<x2y2>abrotman: thanks , i'll try immediately
21:42<abrotman>x2y2: sorry ... leave out the commas
21:42<abrotman>bleh .. actually .. /ignore <channame> JOINS PARTS QUITS
21:42<x2y2>abrotman: OK, thank you very much ! It works good.
21:47<PovAddict>does debian installer support shrinking HFS+ non-destructively?
21:48<PovAddict>from the menu, it's not clear if it will wipe my data or not
21:49<abrotman>PovAddict: when i did my macmini .. i think i used OSX to repartition/reinstall
21:49<PovAddict>I don't want to reinstall OSX
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21:51<faheem>PovAddict: have you tried that shareware 'bootit ng' thing?
21:51<faheem>possibly 'bootitng'
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21:51<faheem>or 'bootit-ng'
21:51<PovAddict>(but if this fails and I lose my data, I don't care much either; I already backed up the important parts)
21:52<PovAddict>I read that parted works great
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21:52<PovAddict>but I'd have to burn a different distro that supports PowerPC and has parted in its liveCD :P
21:52<m3onh0x84>hi , I want to ask: why linux is not popular on IT world ?
21:53<PovAddict>m3onh0x84: it is?
21:53<faheem>m3onh0x84: it isn't?
21:53<m3onh0x84>PovAddict: whty end user don't like linux ?
21:53<m3onh0x84>and linux not popular ?
21:54<faheem>m3onh0x84: we like linux
21:54<faheem>more precisely, debian
21:54<faheem>maybe you should be asking somewhere else?
21:54<EagleRock>m3onh: I'm assuming you mean why is linux not used more in corporations for workstations and PCs?
21:55<m3onh0x84>faheem: and another user , example MS user, I ask this question at everywhere I visit
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21:55<faheem>m3onh0x84: er, why?
21:55<m3onh0x84>EagleRock: oh yes, that is extacly question :D
21:56<m3onh0x84>EagleRock: oh yes, that is exactly question :D
21:56<EagleRock>m2onh0x84: in that case, it's basically due to what is standard and what most corporate applications are written for
21:56<EagleRock>(sorry for misspelling your nick)
21:57<faheem>EagleRock: tab completion?
21:57<EagleRock>faheem: duh...thanks. been a looong time since I've used IRC :-P
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21:57<m3onh0x84>EagleRock: not at all, I use this nick to easy type, easy remmember
21:58<faheem>m3onh0x84: you've got to be kidding
21:58<faheem>an easy nick is, say, 'foo'
21:58<EagleRock>that got me laughing :-)
21:59<m3onh0x84>faheem: I know :d
21:59<andr0z>hi all
22:00<m3onh0x84>but this easy type with all font :D
22:00<abrotman>font ?
22:01<m3onh0x84>faheem: I only want end open sources biggest wars
22:01<m3onh0x84>this war so tired of, times
22:01<abrotman>m3onh0x84: do you have a Debian question ?
22:01-!-foka [~foka@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:03<m3onh0x84>abrotman: this is linux question :D
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22:03<m3onh0x84>x2y2: this is linux question :D
22:03<abrotman>m3onh0x84: this is a support channel
22:05<m3onh0x84>abrotman: and this is talk , chat channel for debian, linux :D
22:05<x2y2>m3onh0x84: are you a woman?
22:06<m3onh0x84>I ask at here cause debian is popularest server :D
22:06<PovAddict>x2y2: why is that relevant?
22:06<m3onh0x84>x2y2: Is my sex important ?
22:07<abrotman>m3onh0x84: no, this is a support channel, not a general discussion channel
22:08<m3onh0x84>beacause I thínk it is linux question : why linux not beautiful, sexy for popular enđ user ?
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22:09<abrotman>m3onh0x84: no, this is a support channel, not a general discussion channel
22:09<andr0z>in iceweasel how do i see the installed plugins? it about:*something*
22:09<m3onh0x84>abrotman: ok, I ask at another place , thankss
22:09<andr0z>anyone remember?
22:10<PovAddict>plugins? :P
22:10<andr0z>like flash and divx
22:10<andr0z>i just want to see what is installed
22:10<andr0z>its about:*something* , arg, its at the tip of my tongue
22:10<jpinx-eeepc>andr0z: tools> Add-ons
22:11<abrotman>m3onh0x84: perhaps ##linux on
22:11<x2y2>m3onh0x84: I suggest #woman-linux on
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22:12<andr0z>PovAddict : HAHA, i thought you were being sarcastic, thanks for the help
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22:19<andr0z>how can i tell if my linux install is using opengl?
22:21<abrotman>glxinfo .. usually
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22:27<m3onh0x84>how to keep networking on debian is stable ?
22:27<OddTod>hey guys I am studying a kinda older linux video and was just wondering if what it said was still correct. It stated swap space has better performance then a swap file? is this still true?
22:27<abrotman>m3onh0x84: what is your native language ?
22:27<m3onh0x84>my dhcp so tweak ?
22:28<abrotman>OddTod: i'd imagine so .. but does it give a measurement ?
22:28<m3onh0x84>abrotman: I am vietnamese,
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22:29<m3onh0x84>but don't use english so don't chat with you :(
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22:30<m3onh0x84>I know my english so bad, but I don't know another solution
22:32<m3onh0x84>I plug another network card, so can not connect internet
22:32<x2y2>m3onh0x84: if you want using static IP, I suggest you write your IP and mask ..etc in /etc/networks/interface
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22:33<m3onh0x84>x2y2: no, I use ADSL with dhcp defeault
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22:34<m3onh0x84>edit to static IP is easy but not stable connect
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22:35<OddTod>abrotman: no it just said its faster so I just kinda wondered if it was still the norm i typically install my netbook with swap file so just kinda wanted to know what the betterpractice is
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22:36<abrotman>OddTod: it also depends how heavily you use swap
22:37<PovAddict>I have two swap partitions
22:37<PovAddict>on different physical disks
22:37<PovAddict>I figure this would give the best speed...
22:37<x2y2>PovAddict: maybe it's just a waste of disk space
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22:38<m3onh0x84>PovAddict: linux don't need much swap,
22:38<PovAddict>m3onh0x84: that makes no sense
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22:38<PovAddict>swap need has nothing to do with what OS you run
22:38<PovAddict>but with what apps you run
22:38<PovAddict>I currently see 50MB of swap in use
22:38<x2y2>I agree. Linux use MEMORY efficently.
22:38<PovAddict>x2y2: I don't :P
22:39<PovAddict>when I start two concurrent rzip instances, my IRC client gets swapped... better than random processes being killed by the kernel
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22:40<m3onh0x84>PovAddict: I think you should be install any distro with Independent /tmp partition
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22:40<m3onh0x84>PovAddict: I think you should be install any distro with independent /tmp partition
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22:40<PovAddict>what does that have to do with swap?
22:40<andr0z>What is the best flash plug in for ppc lenny ?
22:40<m3onh0x84>all os has use much cache or /tmp
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22:41<andr0z>so far i have tried gnash and swf and I would like smoother play of video
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22:44<abrotman>andr0z: you may have to use adobe flash
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22:44<PovAddict>abrotman: there is adobe flash for ppc linux?
22:45<OddTod>abrotoman: thanks i'll start using it because i only have 1 gig of ram in my netbook. I appreciate you fielding my questions
22:45<OddTod>abrotoman: thanks i'll start using it because i only have 1 gig of ram in my netbook. I appreciate you fielding my questions
22:45<abrotman>PovAddict: oh, not anymore
22:45<abrotman>(i think there used to be)
22:45<PovAddict>I don't think there ever was
22:46<andr0z>playback is terrible, so are swfdec and gnash my only options?
22:46<abrotman>currently, yes
22:46<abrotman>well .. you could install debian in like qemu or something like that and install a GUI/browser/flash
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22:47<PovAddict>abrotman: debian installer told me it didn't support HFS resizing
22:47<PovAddict>abrotman: so I'm now resizing with parted from another distro's PowerPC LiveCD
22:47<abrotman>PovAddict: not really surprised .. it doesn't support HFS writing last i knew
22:47<PovAddict>70 minutes ETA
22:48<chris>why do i get an error if i want execute this?
22:48<PovAddict>what error?
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22:49<chris>./ 12: [+: not found
22:49<PovAddict>I believe you need a space there
22:49<PovAddict>if [ "+" = "+" ]; then
22:49<PovAddict>it's a command called '[', not special shell syntax
22:50<chris>PovAddict, thanks, thats it^
22:51<PovAddict> is helpful too
22:51<PovAddict>(make sure to specify if you're writing bash or portable sh)
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23:00<m3onh0x84>I must busy now, sorry
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23:14<CybeRNerO>hello there
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23:14<CybeRNerO>anyone have experience with debian install in macmini before?
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23:15<gsimmons>CybeRNerO: Assume that we do. Ask a better question.
23:15<CybeRNerO>ok then.. :D
23:16<CybeRNerO>know how to make that damn airport extreme wifi module work properly ? :P
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23:16<CybeRNerO>since i cant use the ethernet port for the time being ... :(
23:17<CybeRNerO>i already looked in some wikis and forums about that
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23:17<CybeRNerO>from what i have done
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23:17<CybeRNerO>the adaptor works (i mean iwconfig shows it works)
23:18<CybeRNerO>but i cant connect to my router
23:18<sney>have you tried setting the essid manually
23:18<CybeRNerO>you mean to edit the file?
23:19<CybeRNerO>done that too
23:19<sney>no with iwconfig
23:19<sney>iwconfig wlan0 essid your-essid-here
23:19<CybeRNerO>gimme a sec then :)
23:20<sney>if it works, iwconfig will show a MAC address after Access Point:
23:21<CybeRNerO>i think i need to change the ESSID of my rooter
23:21<CybeRNerO>it's a FRITX box
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23:21<CybeRNerO>the ESSID is FRITZ!Box ... blah bla blah
23:22<CybeRNerO>and the ! thing must conflict
23:22<CybeRNerO>i used brackets
23:22<CybeRNerO>it returns me a !Box: event not found
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23:23<sney>see what iwlist sees it as, iwlist wlan0 scanning
23:23<CybeRNerO>maybe i could use the BSSID?
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23:23<sney>man iwconfig will tell you
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23:24<CybeRNerO>it gives me the proper name
23:24<CybeRNerO>of the router
23:24<CybeRNerO>FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7140 Annex A
23:25<CybeRNerO>it finds 3 wireless networks
23:25<CybeRNerO>mine is Cell 02
23:26<CybeRNerO>the second one
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23:29<CybeRNerO>got it
23:30<CybeRNerO>i used duall brackets
23:30<CybeRNerO>not single ones
23:30<CybeRNerO>but how do i set the key?
23:31<CybeRNerO>i used key NNN (where NNN is my KEY)
23:31<gsimmons>CybeRNerO: Is your access point WPA encrypted?
23:32<gsimmons>CybeRNerO: You need to use a supplicant instead.
23:32<gsimmons>dpkg: wpa
23:32<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time.
23:32<CybeRNerO>thought it would already
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23:33<CybeRNerO>i have it
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23:34<EagleRock>thanks for the updates on wireless-tools everyone...I was having difficulty with a netinst install on my netbook and this might get me
23:34<EagleRock>through it
23:36<CybeRNerO>wpasupplicant is already installed
23:37<CybeRNerO>i think i install it when i was trying to activate the wlan0
23:37<CybeRNerO>anyway package manager shows it is there :)
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23:43<kerberus>How can it be possible that Xfce shows me the menus with the right icons and when I entered /usr/share/applications many of the .desktop files don't have the file extension in the icon entry. I'm very confused :s
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23:44<CybeRNerO>maybe it reads the file metadata?
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23:44<PovAddict>kerberus: what file extension?
23:45<timthorpe>beyond my mind
23:45<CybeRNerO>it's not windows :P
23:45<timthorpe>just want some help
23:45<PovAddict>kerberus: I see some apps with a full path, like Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/vim.svg
23:45<PovAddict>timthorpe: you haven't asked a question yet
23:46<PovAddict>kerberus: others have a filename like Icon=inkscape.png
23:46<CybeRNerO>we are all here for help i guess :P
23:46<PovAddict>kerberus: many have only the name like "inkscape"
23:46<PovAddict>kerberus: so it works with any icon theme and with both .png and .svg
23:47<CybeRNerO>it doesn't need to have a file extension i guess
23:47<kerberus>mmm for example I have the file openoffice.org3-base.desktop and the Icon entry says Icon=openfficeorg3-base
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23:47<CybeRNerO>as long as it has the correct MIME properties
23:47<PovAddict>kerberus: yep same here
23:48<PovAddict>kerberus: my has Icon=ooo-writer
23:48<PovAddict>so it will use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/ooo-writer.png
23:48<kerberus>but i'm curious about that
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23:48<PovAddict>or /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/ooo-writer.png
23:48<PovAddict>or /usr/share/icons/some-fancy-icon-theme/scalable/apps/ooo-writer.svg
23:48<kerberus>mm Is the .png part needed ??
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23:50<CybeRNerO>maybe it does a 'locate' on the paths containing grafic files
23:50<kerberus>ohh that's interesting
23:50<CybeRNerO>i said "maybe" :D
23:50<PovAddict>CybeRNerO: of course not :P
23:50<CybeRNerO>my speculation
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23:51<CybeRNerO>so PovAddict
23:51<PovAddict>kerberus: the full boring details are here
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23:52<CybeRNerO>so it uses a predefined order
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23:53<CybeRNerO>of which directories contain the icons
23:53<kerberus>mm I'm running a couple of programs that don't appear in the menu. Is it possible to generate .desktop files manually ???
23:53<PovAddict>kerberus: your desktop environment should have a graphical application to edit the menu
23:53<PovAddict>heh, I found a scratched CD with Ubuntu Gutsy
23:53<PovAddict>took a while for the drive to read it
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23:54<CybeRNerO>now i have a problem with a lib i just compiled
23:55<CybeRNerO>i compiled the glib-2.0
23:55<CybeRNerO>with the latest i got from GTK website
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23:56<CybeRNerO>pkg-config reads the correct version
23:56<CybeRNerO>but finds the previous one
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