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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-11-18

---Logopened Wed Nov 18 00:00:19 2009
00:01<andr0z>is qemu a resource hog?
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00:04<andr0z>how do you think x86 starcraft running on qemu on a ppc host would run? 800mhz processor 1 Gb of memory
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00:06<x2y2>andr0z: what is "hog"?
00:07<CybeRNerO>hog is something "heavy"
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00:07<x2y2>CybeRNerO: Thank you.
00:07<andr0z>would it need so much resources that it would negatively affect the application i am trying to run, making it not worth while
00:07<CybeRNerO>np :)
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00:08<CybeRNerO>SC worth trying :P
00:08<andr0z>haha, thats what im thinking
00:08<x2y2>why not wine SC?
00:08<andr0z>because i have a powerbook g4
00:08<CybeRNerO>cause he runs a PPC machine
00:09<PovAddict>what's in qemu?
00:09<PovAddict>Wine or real Windows?
00:09<CybeRNerO>you have install debian on your powerbook?
00:09<PovAddict>CybeRNerO: I'm about to
00:09<PovAddict>finished resizing partition
00:09<CybeRNerO>i have a problem with my macmini
00:09<CybeRNerO>i mean i just installed it
00:10<CybeRNerO>and i cant make the airport extreme work
00:10<CybeRNerO>it can scan
00:10<CybeRNerO>but it cant connect
00:10<CybeRNerO>to my network
00:10<andr0z>you have WPA encryption enabled?
00:10<CybeRNerO>i have wpasuppsomething
00:10<andr0z>you have to update to a test kernel
00:10<andr0z>using backports
00:11<CybeRNerO>and how the heck i can do that without internet?
00:11<CybeRNerO>dl it from my machine here
00:11<CybeRNerO>and put it on debian
00:11<andr0z>use WEP
00:11<CybeRNerO>i wont risk dropping my network's security for even a minute :P
00:12<andr0z>how close is the macmini to your router?
00:12<andr0z>maybe you can temporarily use a network cable
00:12<CybeRNerO>i am security paranoid
00:12<CybeRNerO>i am 40 feet away
00:12<CybeRNerO>dont have that long cable
00:13<CybeRNerO>right now
00:13<CybeRNerO>can i use a USB flash drive
00:13<CybeRNerO>to download the kernel?
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00:15<andr0z>im sure you could
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00:16<andr0z>That is the guide i used to get my wireless to work
00:16<gsimmons>andr0z: Not applicable to the Mac Mini.
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00:18<andr0z>Does it have a airport extreme card?
00:19<CybeRNerO>it's a broadcom b43
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00:20<CybeRNerO>maybe there is something faulty with networg config
00:20<CybeRNerO>i mean it can scan
00:20<andr0z>sorry about that, i jumped the gun
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00:21<andr0z>does your mac mini have a ppc or intel processor?
00:22<CybeRNerO>it is a 1.5 GHZ solo
00:22<CybeRNerO>the first intel one
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00:23<vantage>is there a way to have lilo install to a different device ID than the one it will use to boot?
00:23<CybeRNerO>i used rEFIt
00:24<vantage>I'm trying to rescue an old system. The rescue disk sees the drive at sda, but the kernel on the machine sees it as hda
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00:24<CybeRNerO>try using rEFIt
00:24<CybeRNerO>sorry this is for MAC :P
00:24<CybeRNerO>thought you were referring to a Mac system :D
00:25<vantage>nope, an old PC
00:25<CybeRNerO>why it sees it as sda?
00:25<CybeRNerO>it'not a SATA one right?
00:25<vantage>the rescue disk is a 2.6 kernel and the system kernel is 2.4
00:26<CybeRNerO>don't really know
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00:47<roxfiler>is there a command that will tell me if i'm running lenny or ... testing?
00:47<roxfiler>what is testing called right now anyway?
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00:47<faheem>roxfiler: cat /etc/debian_version
00:48<faheem>roxfiler: dunno, 6.0?
00:48<faheem>probably says testing/unstable
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00:48<faheem>if you are running testing
00:48<roxfiler>yeah. but what's it's codename
00:48<roxfiler>i'm not
00:48<faheem>roxfiler: may not have one yet
00:48<faheem>roxfiler: oh, squeeze
00:48<roxfiler>right. squeeze
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00:48<roxfiler>i miss my box
00:49*roxfiler cries
00:49<roxfiler>so 4.0 is etch, eh?
00:49<faheem>roxfiler: ?!
00:49<faheem>roxfiler: yes
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00:59<PovAddict>I installed debian on my Mac
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01:00<PovAddict>the bootloader doesn't seem to let me choose to boot from the OSX partition...
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01:03<CybeRNerO>it is a mactel?
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01:03<CybeRNerO>or a powermac?
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01:04<CybeRNerO>i cant guide you on that
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01:15<budi>where is a manual blender???
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01:21<kop>Is there a standard utility that counts how many times each value shows up in a text file. I seem to repeatedly write the same awk script....
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01:22<PovAddict>kop: make your script more general and put it in ~/bin
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01:23<kop>PovAddict: Yeah, but hasn't somebody already done the work?
01:23<PovAddict>you said you already did several times :P
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01:40<OddTod>kop: i think you can use grep for that.
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02:00<dpkg><ScarFace> Guerin: Reguard please don't let me read that kind of recklees lq bashing when i nb fact you guys don't hardly ever yse the site your selfs because you believ thayt your are superiour to those of us whom do and there for have the right to dismis the whol;e site on the marits of one pooly started question.
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02:25<newsense>how does one configure xorg these days ?
02:25<sney>xorg does most of the configuring itself
02:26<sney>you can generate a basic xorg.conf by doing X -configure
02:26<sney>but usually you don't need to
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02:26<newsense>i have been away for a while and my system got jacked up after an update
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02:27<newsense>im using an nvidia card onboard if that helps
02:27<newsense>module wasnt loaded so i followed dpkg's instructions
02:27<sney>if you updated your kernel you may have to rebuild your nvidia drivers with module-assistant
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02:28<newsense>i reinstalled since i had no important data and tried fixing numerous dependency issues
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02:28<newsense>did the module assistant build
02:30<newsense>i get an error when trying X -configure
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02:30<newsense>number of created screens does not match number of created devices
02:30<newsense>might want to check the module is loaded
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02:32<jm_>just tell it to use driver nvidia
02:32<newsense>hmm i manually loaded the module and it loaded
02:33<newsense>what file do i write it to theres no xorg.conf
02:33<newsense>i have been away for months
02:33<newsense>a lot has changed apparently
02:33<jm_>the X11 driver, nto the kernel module
02:33<jm_>xorg.conf - like already explained, you need to do it by hand
02:34<jm_>!xorg config lenny
02:34<dpkg>In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template.
02:34<newsense>i cant write an xorg.comf by hand
02:34<newsense>im on squeeze
02:34<jm_>!xorg config squeeze
02:34<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>.
02:34<newsense>err running
02:34<jm_>so it seems to be the same command
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02:36<jm_>let me see if my paste is still alive
02:37<newsense>i'll figure it out i always do :)
02:37<newsense>i'm just a little rusty, only computer interaction i have had was removing malware from ms systems for crackers
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02:44<newsense>i still dont know what to do
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02:44<newsense>so xorg needs an xorg.conf these days or it doesn't ?
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03:02<jm_>it doesn't need it, but you need it
03:02<jm_>well too late I guess
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03:26<twb>How do I get TECO on Debian?
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03:36<twb>Hmm, apparently there is TECO for Windows...
03:36<gsimmons>twb: might be of interest. See also Debian bug #298432.
03:36<twb>gsimmons: that's where I was looking
03:36*twb bts show's
03:37<jm_>what's a nice and simple PHP dir lister for apache?
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04:06<twb>jm_: isn't directory listing built into apache
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04:20<lemming>any dpkg wizards here?
04:20<twb>!tell lemming -about anyone
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04:23<lemming>How can i set a package to installed without installing it?
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04:25<twb>lemming: you mean so as to deceive dpkg's dependency resolution?
04:26<lemming>twb: i use aufs to "add" software to a livecd and want it to appear in the package database
04:27<lemming>twb: so the software really is installed but the status file does not contain it
04:28<twb>I think you're using aufs in a silly way
04:28<jm_>twb: yeah it is, mod_autoindex, I have spent a few minutes to tune it and I think it will do just fine
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04:28<twb>jm_: good-o
04:28<twb>Another win from someone who uses busybox httpd for all his httpd needs
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04:29<lemming>twb: well, i need a base image and plugable modules containing software
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04:29<lemming>twb: something similar to slax
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04:33<twb>lemming: have a chat with #debian-live
04:34<lemming>ok, thanks
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04:50<omg_onoez>hi, i was trying to find a solution on how to configure hostapd with rt2860 on debian, but no luck, i hope someone could gimme a few tips at least in general terms on this topic
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05:13<gsimmons>omg_onoez: You would want to use the rt2800pci driver from rt2x00.git - provided it even has any access point functionality - with the nl80211 hostapd driver; /msg dpkg hostapd
05:14<omg_onoez>nice suggestion, ty
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05:29<omg_onoez>gsimmons, sorry for such a question, but what could this mean
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05:48<gsimmons>omg_onoez: You have a configuration error somewhere (the line number is usually stated). Note that nl80211 driver backend wasn't activated in Debian's hostapd until 1:0.6.9-1.
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05:52<omg_onoez>gsimmons, but how can i find this error? (btw 1:0.6.9-3 installed) hostapd.conf:
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06:03<gsimmons>omg_onoez: You haven't set a channel (you might also want to define hw_mode).
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06:03<omg_onoez>many thanks, my mistake
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06:14<jcrawford>hey guys do i need to install anything in the base ubuntu to get the ability to ssh into my machine or is all that installed with the base install?
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06:14<petemc>jcrawford: ask #ubuntu , on freenode
06:15<jcrawford>omg sorry
06:15<jcrawford>not sure how I ended up in here lol
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06:15<sander_m>Hi. Does anyone know where I can find a Python 2.6 that works on Lenny? I need to run itools and it requires Python 2.6 to run. I don't really want to build from upstream because I think that would not fit nicely into debian's way of supporting multiple python versions at the same time.
06:16<themill>sander_m: you can't and won't ever get python 2.6 support for lenny. It's hard enough getting it into unstab;e at present.
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06:18<themill>sander_m: you could try setting up a chroot with unstable in it and pull python2.6 from experimental, but this is very much a development sort of thing and not something for production.
06:18<sander_m>themill: I'm not looking for officially supported packages :-) I just hoped that someone smarter than me might have created a package that doest screw with the exiting Lenny setup.
06:19<sander_m>themill: Thanks
06:20<sander_m>themill: Alternatively, is there some way of building Python 2.6 myself and put it somewhere where it doesn't interfere with anything else? I only need it for the one application.
06:20<themill>sander_m: python2.6 also changes the layout for modules so the packaging for most python modules need to be changed to support 2.6. The versions of Debian's python compilation tools (python-central and python-support) that are in lenny also don't support python 2.6.
06:21<themill>sander_m: you could try installing it to /usr/local, just be careful if it wants to create /usr/local/bin/python... you don't want that. py2.6 wouldn't find your debian-installed python modules though. It's not an easy task that you're setting yourself up for.
06:21<themill>sander_m: BTW I can't find anything on the itools website about needing particular versions of python
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06:22<sander_m>themill: It's in the README:;a=blob_plain;f=README.txt;hb=HEAD
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06:23<themill>ahh... nicely hidden :(
06:23<sander_m>I tried running it on Python 2.5 but it fails because it needs the multiprocessor module from Python 2.6
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06:23<sander_m>I need to use the ODF Greeking function in the new itools.
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06:26<kilelme>when i typing this glxinfo | grep direct in my terminal the result is
06:26<kilelme>do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
06:26<kilelme>Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter.
06:26<kilelme>direct rendering: Yes
06:26<kilelme>can anyone tell me why this massage return??
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06:28<kilelme>and when i sartup my debian always show kernel failure
06:28<kilelme>i use kernel 2.6.31
06:28<kilelme>in acer aspire 4810T
06:28<mojoman>Hi all. I need to set the default soundcard on my 64-bit Squeeze. The built-in (C-Media) uses snd-usb-audio and so does the webcam I try to connect, which after reboot registers itself as default and kills the sound. I tried adding this snippet to /etc/modprobe.d/sound: options snd-usb-audio index=0,1 vid=0d8c,0471 pid=0201,0333 . It should force alsa to register built-in as default but after reboot no soundcard is detected. Does any
06:28<mojoman>one know what I'm missing? Thankful for any help I can get as I'm stumped with this.
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06:31<jm_>hmm not familiar with this when both cards use the same driver, probably best to ask on ALSA mailing list
06:31<semprom>from which site can I find the 4.0 version of debian. I could not find the site.
06:31<jm_>!etch iso
06:31<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
06:33<tapioco>does anyone use freefem++?
06:33<mojoman>@jm_: the situation is described on their wiki but they don't say which file is the correct as it varies between distros. But maybe I should try the mailing list.
06:34<dpkg>hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see . For the package archive, ask me about <sdn>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at
06:34<jm_>mojoman: well /etc/modprobe.d/sound is fine, you can also try it manually : modprobe snd-usb-audio index=0,1 vid=0d8c,0471 pid=0201,0333
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06:34<rbrito>Hi there.
06:35<rbrito>I would like some help with something that seems to have gotten quite complicated nowadays: purchasing hardware.
06:35<x2y2>Hi. I have a problem with vim. When I type a line "printf("Hello");" in vim, if I put the cursor on "(", the cursor will go to the "f" automatically, why? How can I fix it? Thanks.
06:36<rbrito>I am on the market to get me a new computer and I would like to have something that I can use to build my packages (I'm a Debian Maintainer) and also use as my workstation, but looking at the possibilities has gotten me mightly confused.
06:36<rbrito>I would appreciate any opinions from fellow users to guide my purchasing a little bit.
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06:37<rbrito>I'm looking for a x86 architecture (that's what's most commonly available here), but I have no preference regarding intel or amd.
06:37<jm_>rbrito: ehh? just buy any PC
06:37<mojoman>@jm_: tried it and got this warning: WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release.
06:37<rbrito>I'm just going with whatever works without any binary drivers.
06:38<jm_>mojoman: ahh right, new modprobe prints this, but you can ignore it, just change filename to shut it up
06:38<rbrito>jm_, I'd like something more like a powerhouse for massive compilation of packages.
06:38<rbrito>I would also like to use it for encoding videos.
06:39<mojoman>I should also say that if I plug it in to a live system it works fine, it won't remove my internal but registers as card 1 (internal as card 0)
06:39<rbrito>I guess that those are my main computational uses.
06:39<jm_>rbrito: then your only option is intel or old AMD chipset with radeon chipset that is handled by open source drivers
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06:39<jm_>mojoman: yeah that's expected I guess
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06:39<jm_>radeon chip even
06:40<rbrito>jm_, what would a solid motherboard be?
06:40<jm_>rbrito: I buy gigabyte or asus, but these days there are no big differences, pretty much all decent ones have solid capacitors
06:40<rbrito>Unfortunately, looking at the manufacturers sites, I only see things aimed at gamers or overclockers.
06:40<kilelme>anyone know about how to fix glx not present when start compiz
06:41<mojoman>@jm_: Thanks for the input, I'll poke around with modprobe and if that doesn't work try alsa mailing list. Cheers!
06:41<K0JIbKA>Hi all:-D
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06:42<jm_>rbrito: anything from that category will work fine for you
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06:43<rbrito>jm_, I'm not really a gamer. I would prefer to spend 1000 in a second CPU instead of on a graphics card. This is why I'm confused.
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06:43<rbrito>It seems that the market is only focused on people who use their computer to play games.
06:43<rbrito>I never play any game.
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06:44<petemc>you're all business?
06:44<rbrito>I just want to have computational power for compilation of programs.
06:44<rbrito>petemc, mostly.
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06:44<kilelme>hmm no one know my problem??
06:44<rbrito>kilelme, what exactly is your problem?
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06:45<jm_>rbrito: none of the intel G chipsets is suitable for gamers
06:45<kilelme>i found do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1 how i can fix this
06:45<kilelme>and glx not present when i start compiz
06:45<rbrito>petemc, I'm mostly interested in getting something that I can use as my buildd or video encoding.
06:46<rbrito>kilelme, you should provide more information.
06:46<kilelme>i use kernel 2.6.31-1-686 in acer aspire 4810T
06:46<kilelme>what information you need?
06:46<rbrito>Please, copy & paste your information at
06:46<rbrito>lspci -v
06:47<rbrito>The error messages that you're seeing etc.
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06:48<rbrito>jm_, do these cards support good amounts of ram? (>= 6gb)
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06:48<kilelme>wait i put this in pastebin
06:48<jm_>rbrito: you mean motherboards? yes - of course
06:48<rbrito>jm_, yes, that's what I meant.
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06:49<rbrito>Any recommendations regarding which chipset I should look for?
06:49<rbrito>What about AMD offerings?
06:50<rbrito>I see that there has been a lot of commits regarding the radeon hardware on the Linux kernel (I watch the kernel closely).
06:50<jm_>AMD stuff means nvidia or amd chipset, which both might mean you need to use binary drivers for graphics
06:50<jm_>that is for KMS
06:51<rbrito>jm_, yes, part of that seems to be for mode setting, but not only that, it seems.
06:51<omg_onoez>i'm trying to compile driver and getting "You have not yet configured your kernel! (missing kernel config file ".config")", but kernel headers are installed
06:52<kilelme>for lscpi command in
06:53<kilelme>for demsg command
06:54<rbrito>kilelme, nice.
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06:54<jm_>chipset would depend on which CPU you want
06:55<kilelme>for /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:56<kilelme>for lsmod command
06:56<kilelme>can you help me
06:56<rbrito>jm_, yes, I'm aware of that.
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06:56<rbrito>kilelme, I don't know, but I can take a look at least.
06:56<mahesh_>hello all
06:57<kilelme>please email me if you can fix this
06:57<mahesh_>i have a problem with koha
06:57<rbrito>kilelme, it seems that your dmesg is incomplete.
06:57<mahesh_>search is not working in intranet and opac
06:57<kilelme>yes that correct
06:58<kilelme>that to much.. in my terminal it only show not all
06:58<kilelme>only this
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06:58<kilelme>can you give some way to show all result with demsg??
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06:59<rbrito>You can see more of your dmesg with something like:
06:59<rbrito>dmesg -s 32000
06:59<rbrito>dmesg -s 32000 > my-dmesg-log.txt
06:59<rbrito>Substitute 32000 with a higher number if necessary.
07:00<rbrito>But I don't know if pastebin has limitations on the size of the contents submitted.
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07:00<rbrito>Perhaps you'd need to cut it in two posts.
07:01<rbrito>kilelme, any reason why you're not using UXA as an acceleration method?
07:01<rbrito>Perhaps you could get things from sid.
07:02<kilelme>i don't know this
07:02<rbrito>Yes, UXA instead of EXA (the latter being the acceleration method that you're using).
07:02<kilelme>i don't know
07:02<kilelme>where i can get this information in my computer
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07:03<rbrito>Well, if you want an overview of your computer, you can install a tiny package that generates a summary of what you have. It's called lshw.
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07:03<rbrito>It gathers the output of many commands and put them nicely so that you know your system better.
07:04<kilelme>i try to search in google and i found this
07:04<kilelme>it can help me?
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07:05<rbrito>Well, something along those lines.
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07:05<rbrito>Here is what I use in my xorg.conf:
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07:07<kilelme>my xorg.conf
07:07<kilelme>in other word .. can i use your xorg.conf??
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07:09<rbrito>There doesn't seem to be any significant differences between or configurations.
07:09<kilelme>yes i know but some configuration is same right??
07:09<kilelme>can you fix my xorg.conf?
07:09<rbrito>It seems that you have disabled some acceleration. Do you have any reasons for that?
07:09<rbrito>Which distribution are you using?
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07:10<fnmueller>hi, I am looking for a source for the current versions of thunderbird and firefox. Is there such a thing for debian. I didn't find anything usefull using google. But I would really like to use the original and current versions of thundebird and firefox on debian.
07:10<kilelme>i using debian 5.0.3
07:11<kilelme>that was lenny right??
07:11<rbrito>kilelme, Humm, it's been quite a long time since I last used it.
07:11<rbrito>Just one sec.
07:12<kilelme>what you use now?
07:12<jm_>fnmueller: so go ask mozilla about those
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07:12<kilelme>oke i wait here
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07:13<fnmueller>jm_: well, I thought maybe there is an unofficial repo
07:13<jm_>fnmueller: why? iceweasel is unofficial
07:13<fnmueller>jm_: as far as I understood it iceweasel is shipped with debian für GPL resons
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07:20<kilelme>Brito are you here
07:21<jpinx-eeepc>fnmueller: aptitude install <iceweasel/thunderbird>
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07:23<fnmueller>jpinx-eeepc: I use roaming profiles with different OSses, so Iceweasel as in Debian really does not do it for me :-(
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07:25<jm_>fnmueller: /msg dpkg why iceweasel
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07:26<fnmueller>jm_: I _know_ that
07:26<jm_>fnmueller: it's the same thing, why do you think firefox will make a difference?as in it doesn't load your profile? last I tried it worked fine for me
07:27<fnmueller>jm_: it doesn't work because other distros partly ship beta version which I also would like to use in debian, It doesn't work for me because firefox does not trigger iceweasel
07:27<jpinx-eeepc>fnmueller: your problem is nothing to do with debian then
07:27<fnmueller>like I use shortcuts to start the app, but it will either not start in debian oder the other distros, due to the different name
07:28<fnmueller>and I can't alias it because that would not work for the other ossed
07:28<jm_>fnmueller: trigger iceweasel where?
07:28*jpinx-eeepc smells a troll
07:29<fnmueller>jpinx-eeepc: well, as debian renamed it, it is a debian problem for me. I am not saying debian necessarily did the wrong thing - but it is part of the specific problem
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07:29<fnmueller>jm_: like a keyboard shortcut, e.g. I trigger thunderbird with W+T
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07:31<fnmueller>e.g: I have a script: <keybind key="W-F"> <action name="Execute"> <command>iceweasel</command> </action> </keybind>
07:31<peej>can I match eof with grep?
07:31<jm_>fnmueller: iceweasel adds /usr/bin/firefox, I fail to see where the problem is, no idea about thunderbird since I don't use it
07:31<fnmueller>this will work in debian, but no where else
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07:32<jm_>peej: hmm what are you trying to do?
07:32<fnmueller>jm_: hmmm, maybe I just failed to install a certain package? there is no firefox in my path, just iceweasel
07:32<jm_>fnmueller: which version of iceweasel?
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07:33<fnmueller>jm_: I am not on a debian machine right now, I believe it's 3.0.something
07:33<jm_>fnmueller: from lenny?
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07:34<fnmueller>I use stable
07:34<themill> Then you should have /usr/bin/firefox
07:34<jm_>fnmueller: notice /usr/bin/firefox
07:35<jm_>quick check reveals icedove doesn't do this
07:35<fnmueller>hmmm, very strange
07:35<themill>"ln -s" isn't very hard to run
07:35<fnmueller>well, yes, I 'just' thought of that ^^
07:35<jm_>I would simply add ln -s /usr/bin/icedove ~/bin/thunderbird
07:35<fnmueller>true true
07:35<fnmueller>my bad
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07:36<fnmueller>well, doing ln -s /usr/bin/icedove ~/bin/thunderbird would breal compatibillity. I would have to do ln -s /usr/bin/icedove usr/bin/thunderbird
07:37<jm_>messing with /usr/bin like that is not a good idea in general
07:37<fnmueller>jm_: well, right now I don't see another solution
07:37<peej>jm_ : I am parsing interfaces. eth1 eth2 eth3 stanzas have a gateway line associated with them. Stanza markers are keywords iface/mapping/auto/allow. I am trying something like egrep 'iface|mapping|auto|allow|EOF' to ensure eth3 (last interface) also is handled. EOF is a "last stanza marker" in my attempt.
07:37<fnmueller>except I could write a script that checks the used distro and triggers the correct link
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07:41<kilelme>can anyone know about this (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
07:41<kilelme> anyone know about this (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23??
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07:42<jm_>peej: why not build this logic in your parser? you can't do this with grep
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07:47<peej>jm_ : my parser is bash. elaborates the sort of thing I'm trying (is an /etc/network/interfaces file with the bash script parsing it appended). Suggestions?
07:47<peej>sorry for the line noise ;-)
07:47<fnmueller>jm_: well, thanks for pointing me to a different approach
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07:49<themill>peej: I wonder if you want the output of "route -n" instead.
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07:50<jm_>fnmueller: no worries
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07:54<jm_>peej: awk '/^iface eth/{IF=$2}/gateway/{printf("%s=%s\n",IF,$2)}END{printf("%s\n",IF);}' /etc/network/interfaces
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07:59<DTE>hi all
07:59<DTE>i get some strange problems with a firewall (debian based) with racoon and a cisco pix
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08:00<DTE>sometimes the ipsec is going down
08:00<DTE>after a little while everything comes up again
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08:01<DTE>in the log i just found
08:01<DTE>racoon: ERROR: fatal INVALID-SPI notify messsage, phase1 should be deleted.
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08:05<peej>themill, Neat idea. I'll look into that. jm_, thanks...I guess I'd better go and read up on awk.
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08:06<locklace>if you find yourself having to read up on awk, you've done something wrong
08:07<peej>yeah, I could do it pretty easily in perl, but I was trying to avoid that.
08:09<peej>grep does actually have -P (perl regexp options) but is supposedly experimental.
08:11<kilelme>hi glxinfo | grep -i direct the result is do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly.
08:11<kilelme>what it mean??
08:12<peej>(though -P still wouldn't solve the EOF problem aiui.
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08:14<omg_onoez>could someone gimme a tip on whats wrong with my hostapd/interface/driver/whatever :P
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08:15<xeross>Guys how do I get rid of the â in my terminal, I think they should be " or '
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08:19<gsimmons>omg_onoez: The rt2860sta driver doesn't support access point operation, use the rt2800pci driver as previously mentioned. I've no idea why your hostapd isn't stating the line number of the configuration error.
08:20<omg_onoez>i have difficults on compiling it
08:20<jm_>xeross: your line showed up like "how do I get rid of the in my terminal"
08:20<omg_onoez>it doesn't c my header files
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08:25<omg_onoez>i'm kinda noob, no doubt =) and i can not compile rt2x00 driver from serialmonkey's git
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08:27<omg_onoez>may be i hould set some variables so it could see kernel header files... but i'm not sure, thx for youe help and sorry for my english )
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08:36<xeross>jm_: It's an A with an umlaut you know the pointy thingie germans put above a U most of the time
08:37<jm_>xeross: yes, ä -- what exactly is the problem?
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08:40<miguel000>i want my camera to be mounted and a file manager with the folder where it has been mounted , launched, every time i connect it via usb
08:40<miguel000>is that easily achievable=
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08:41<jm_>miguel000: depends, I would say it is easy
08:42<jm_>DE-s probably do such stuff by default
08:42<miguel000>the thing i do not know, is how i can REACT on the event of the camera beeing connected
08:42<miguel000>how to mount it and open a file manager window would be easy then
08:42<locklace>man udev
08:42<jm_>udev is the low level stuff
08:42<jm_>!udev rules
08:42<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or read it online at
08:43<locklace>!udev sucks
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08:43<omg_onoez>i met some difficults, while trying to compile rt2x00 driver from git
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08:43<omg_onoez>may be i should set some variables, but i'm not sure, thx and sorry for my english
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08:50<miguel000>im not sure if udev will work for me, because i can not assure that my usb cam ALWAYS gets the same label (like /dev/sdb)
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08:51<miguel000>ah sorry
08:51<miguel000>i can use ? for the unknown letter, its fine
08:51<jm_>yeah besides you can match it based on other attributes
08:51<jm_>which is a far better idea
08:52<miguel000>ya, on serial number etc..
08:52<omg_onoez>isn't it a good thought to mount camera by label?
08:52<jm_>what if you have more SD cards for example?
08:53<locklace>"label" is not "/dev/sdb"
08:54<jm_>obviously, I was referring to fs label
08:54<locklace>so you either make sure all your disks have unique labels, or mount by id or uuid instead
08:55<jm_>on second thought, most of that is fat fs, I doubt its volume label qualifies as fs label here
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08:55<omg_onoez>label always qualifies as label, no? =)
08:55<gernot>Hello all. I mapped my Alt_R to Super_R with a keysym. xev reports it as Super_R. However, the key still *acts* like an Alt key. Any idea what's going on?
08:55<locklace>"acts" how
08:56<gernot>keysyms that I set for other keys work fine, by the way.
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08:56<gernot>locklace, pressing it + F opens the File menu, for example. Super_R + F should do something else.
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08:57<omg_onoez>locklace, my english is sux, sry =)
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08:57<miguel000>ahh im not sure which device i have to mathc
08:57<locklace>sounds like a wm issue
08:57<miguel000>. /block/sdc/sdc1
08:57<miguel000>. '/block/sdc'
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08:57<miguel000>. /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0/host7/target7:0:0/7:0:0:0':
08:58<miguel000>coz the tutrial i found on the inet seems to use attributes of multiple to match the device ...
08:58<gernot>locklace, thanks, I'll take my question to xmonad then.
08:58<miguel000>KERNEL=="sd?1", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="X250,D560Z,C350Z", SYMLINK+="camera"
08:59<miguel000>do the children inherit the attributes from parents?
08:59<miguel000>because, then it would make sense for me
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09:02<jm_>miguel000: which children?
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09:04<xeross>jm_: Sorry wrong letter I ment the thing shaped like an up arrow kind of thing, like > but pointing upwards ^
09:04<xeross>jm_: They show up in any compile errors or warnings
09:04<miguel000>jm_ like /block/sdc/sdc1 inherits attributes from /block/sdc
09:04<dr|z3d>A circonflex, I think it's called. Or a "hat". :)
09:04<xeross>jm_: But I think they should display as either quotation marks or '
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09:05<jm_>xeross: can you make a screenshot?
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09:06<jm_>miguel000: you mean /sys/block or what?
09:06<xeross>jm_: See this pastebin:
09:07<jm_>xeross: did you try changing the font?
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09:07<miguel000>jm_ yeah i think. but now it works.. !, i get a /dev/camera
09:08<xeross>jm_: What monospaces font do you suggest
09:08<jm_>xeross: for terminals? jmk, terminus
09:08<schu>hey there. i'm trying to get ircd-hybrid with hybserv to run on my server (latest debian, all updates). hybserv and ircd-hybrid start up nicely, when i do a netstat -an and grep for the port it says the ircd is listening on 6667 but when i try to connect (from localhost or other ip) there seems to be no reply. i just get connecting... but nothing happens anymore
09:09<locklace>schu: check for firewall cruft
09:09<jm_>schu: use strace on both sides to see if it receives anything at all
09:10<jm_>and where it connects to etc.
09:10<xeross>jm_: Note that this is through PuTTY and SSH
09:10<jm_>xeross: ahh then check putty settings
09:11<xeross>jm_: Hmm masybe changing the character set
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09:11<locklace>strace should be a last resort here. there are very few reasons why a tcp connection to a port on localhost would time out
09:11<jm_>xeross: yes
09:11<jm_>yeah such as connecting to wrong IP which is trivial to find with strace
09:11<schu>locklace: it's definitely not a firewall issue, i checked that (and i'm running other services out-of-the-box too).
09:11<xeross>jm_: Works
09:11<xeross>jm_: Thanks
09:11<jm_>xeross: no worries, I didn't do anything ;)
09:12<locklace>comparing the ip with "" doesn't require strace
09:12<jm_>and how else can you check where a process is connecting to? I'd like to learn a new way
09:12<locklace>schu: so if you telnet to port 6668 you get "connection refused" by 6667 gives connection timed out?
09:13<locklace>jm_: netstat suffices
09:13<schu>when trying to connect to the public ip port 6667 with telnet, i get a "connected to" but nothing more
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09:14<locklace>ok, that's completely different
09:14<schu>locklace: i tried with localhost now too and i get the same result
09:15<jm_>locklace: yes, if you're root ...
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09:15<jm_>ahh no it works for your own processes
09:15<locklace>schu: when you're connected with telnet, what happens if you enter an irc command, like "quit"
09:15<jm_>anyway need to run soon
09:15<schu>locklace: nothing, it's like frozen....
09:15<schu>strange thing is i did the whole setup locally on my ubuntu machine and it works out nicely, so i installed everything on the prod. server and changed the config accordingly.
09:17<jm_>try netstat/strace then to see where it's connecting to
09:17<locklace>sounds like your ircd is borked, next stop would be its logs or running it in debug mode, i'd say
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09:18<schu>locklace: hmmm yes, i guess so. log files don't really say anything, netstat says i'm connected to the right ip and port
09:18<schu>but nothing happens :-S
09:18<schu>i guess i'll dump the ircd from debian and compile it myself, maybe that helps
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09:20<peej>is this a bug or a feature? I have eth0,eth1,eth2 configured in interfaces. eth0,1 starts up ok on boot, eth2 doesn't. Details:
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09:21<Titan8990>peej, you only have eth0 and eth1 starting automatically
09:21<Titan8990>peej, on the allow-hotplug eth0 eth1 line
09:21<Titan8990>peej, allow-hotplug eth0 eth1 eth2
09:22<peej>ugh. Stupid me
09:22<peej>I must learn to think things through more
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09:22<Titan8990>peej, it happens
09:23<schu>locklace: i tried the following: i connected via telnet (-> frozen) then stopped the ircd on the server and it immediately dropped my telnet sessions. could it be that there's a problem with hostmasks or something alike involved (so that ircd-hybrid just won't accept my user and gives me no message)?
09:24<locklace>there's a problem with your ircd; what it is could be anything, hence the debug suggestion
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09:27<schu>locklace: well, thanks anyway - let's see if i can find it ;)
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09:31<rgr>Just a little install story : Finally got a new install of Lenny done in the "office". I had to buy a PS/2 keyboard since, and unbelievably, the Lenny installer did not recognise the USB keyboard on this machine. Only two hiccups : installing the nvidia the debian way does not install nvidia-settings. Not in itself a bad thing and easy enough to then install using synaptic/whatever. The problem is then, of course, that despite all the
09:31<rgr>efforts of actually supporting the nvidia stuff using m-a it doesn't actually update the xorg.conf. You cant run the nvidia-settings because theres no driver line already there. An info snippet pops up telling you to run xconfig : duly done this wipes out the keyboard settings in the xorg.conf. But could then set up dual screen and worked fine. Which leads to the second problem. The keyboard had been set to german was now responding
09:31<rgr>like a US one qwerty instead of qwertz on the desktop. Going to Gnome settings /keyboard I added the german layout and made it the default. made no different. Had to reconfigure the console-data package from the command line. But alls up and running now. But funny how the same issues keep cropping up.
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09:34<Titan8990>rgr, it sounds like you didn't read the nvidia documentation
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09:35<Titan8990>rgr, your issues were with learning everything as you went along
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09:35<omg_onoez>thank you for your help, really
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09:36<Titan8990>rgr, m-a also does not install nvidia-glx, but the guide tells you to. and it also tells to you install nvidia-xconfig to generate a xorg.conf for your new nvidia drivers
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10:03<rgr>Titan8990: I am well aware of what m-a does. And nvidia-xconfig wipes the international settings for keyboard. I am merely pointing out that its sameo sameo issues and this "rtfm" attitude does nothing to improve people perceptions.
10:04<rgr>hint : when installing an OS many people do not have a guide next to them : their computer is, err, being installed.
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10:17<labilbe>Hi all!
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10:47<aliceinwire>i have a problem with proxy on apt-get
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10:48<aliceinwire>ACQUIRE { http::proxy "http://domain\user:password@dns:port" } ~
10:49<aliceinwire>but don't work
10:49<aliceinwire>in apt.conf
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11:12<sander_m>Hi all. I'm going to upgrade my box from Lenny to Squeeze. I have sowftare from various repositories installed (e.g. main, volatile, debian-multimedia, backports). I'd like to make a list of all packages grouped by repository. How can I do that?
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11:13<locklace>!which repo
11:13<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
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11:15<sander_m>locklace: Thanks :-)
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11:24<sander_m>I have reviewed the list of packages. debian-multimedia will be fine. But how should I tread packages from and If I remove those repositories from sources.list, will they simply get updated to the version that is in Squeeze?
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11:27<sander_m>as an example, I have Dovecot from backports and ClamAV from volatile
11:28<locklace>yes, just remove them from sources.list and follow lenny->squeeze
11:28<locklace>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
11:28<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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11:30<sander_m>Thanks again!
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11:47<lucien>Hi everyone
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11:47<lucien>Has anyone has the linux based Nokia N900 smartphone ?
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12:05<davide>i have a problem with , is anybody in there?
12:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:06<davide>i can't run openoffice anymore
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12:07<davide>if i run it from termina i get "
12:07<davide>The application cannot be started.
12:07<davide>The component manager is not available.
12:07<davide>terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'
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12:09<davide>i tried unistalling it (purge remove) and install it again
12:09<davide>nothing happend
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12:11<neurox>i'am trying to configure sudoers for user test only can execute all comands except su but this not work :(
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12:11<davide>i tried deleting my ooo profile, it was not helpful. I'm running sid 64bit
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12:12<neurox>test ALL=(root) ALL, !/bin/su
12:13<neurox>but this not work
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12:13<neurox>any idea?
12:14<locklace>dpkg: any idea?
12:14<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 rabid ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
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12:17<icebrain>davide: according to the replies in bug #548721, it's probably a corrupted file. What have you reinstalled,
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12:20<davide>i solved my problem, i had a corrupted uno-lib3
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12:29<PovAddict>I installed debian testing ppc on a PowerBook G4
12:29<PovAddict>it seems to heat quite a bit (and turn fans on) despite CPU being idle... didn't happen with OS X
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12:30<PovAddict>also, I'd like to suspend when I close the lid
12:30<PovAddict>any tips?
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12:33<retrospectacus>power management prefs
12:33<PovAddict>I have no X, what prefs?
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12:39<sney>PC laptops sometimes have a default setting for that in the bios, so for you maybe in openfirmware?
12:40<PovAddict>I have no idea how to get at the equivalent of a "BIOS setup" in a Mac
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12:42<EagleRock>povaddict: there isn't really a BIOS menu for macs, just commands you issue at startup with the keyboard
12:43<dr|z3d>It's a multi-fingered startup keypress combo to get into the Mac's EFI.
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12:43<PovAddict>on Mac OS X, closing lid suspends OS
12:43<PovAddict>on Linux, it doesn't
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12:44<PovAddict>so I'd think it's Linux that has to handle it, not the firmware
12:45<EagleRock>povaddict: should be handled by the power management in whatever GUI you're using
12:45<PovAddict>EagleRock: none
12:45<PovAddict>EagleRock: no X installed yet
12:46<sney>ctrl+option+o+f during the boot chime gets into the openfirmware
12:46<Titan8990>PovAddict, look in to acpid then
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12:47<PovAddict>Titan8990: package only available on amd64 i386 ia64
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12:50<Titan8990>PovAddict, your on, what? ARM?
12:51<PovAddict>it's a PowerBook Mac
12:51<Titan8990>oh, no ideas about that
12:51<sney>I know some things about macs but I've never had a mac laptop
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12:54<kop>Where is it documented what the flags mean in /proc/cpuinfo?
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12:55<PovAddict>kop: man proc?
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12:56<Titan8990>PovAddict, man proc does not go into much detail
12:56<Titan8990>kop, many you can look up in wikipedia
12:56<Titan8990>they are not linux specific
12:56<Titan8990>the sse2 flag for example:
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12:57<kop>I don't suppose there's a flag that says whether there's multiple cores?
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12:58<koollman>kop: there's more than one 'processor' description in that case (with varying core id)
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12:58<kop>koollman: Not in older kernels, which is what I'm looking at.
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12:59<Guest2571>Is a Samba maintainer here? I've problems to build the package.
12:59<koollman>kop: oh. you mean a kernel with no smp active ? hmm. good question
12:59<koollman>it wouldn't 'see' cores
12:59<kop>PovAddict: Do you have smp as a flag and know that it's smp?
12:59<kop>koollman: Right. That's my problem.
12:59<koollman>kop: look at the output of dmidecode
12:59<PovAddict>kop: uname says if SMP is supported
12:59<kop>!tell Guest2571 about ask
13:00<kop>PovAddict: That's in the kernel, not the hardware.
13:01<kop>koollman: Good suggestion. I'll look.
13:01<koollman>kop: there's at least the processor name and reference
13:01<koollman>which should be a good starting point
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13:01<koollman>not sure if the core number is there
13:02<koollman>since it's reported by the cpu after init, and no smp supported means no other core initialized
13:02<Guest2571>kop: When building the samba package 3.4.3 in a lenny+bpo chroot the linker fails: undefined reference to `wbcGetSidAliases'. Is this a known issue? What tricks had the backporters done to build the bpo package?
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13:03<kop>Guest2571: Dunno. Possibly you're missing a -dev package.
13:03<Titan8990>Guest2570, did you do `aptitude build-dep samba`?
13:03<Titan8990>why are you recompiling it anyways?
13:04<Guest2571>kop: I don't think so, because dpkg-buildpackage started to build the package.
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13:05<Guest2571>Titan8990: I need to add a patch from upstream.
13:05<Titan8990>Guest2571, that doesn't mean you have the needed depends to compile
13:05<Titan8990>Guest2571, what patch?
13:05<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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13:07<Guest2571>The whole output is this and because the missing symbols named wbc* which sounds like winbind, I think it's an internal problem.
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13:09<kop>Guest2571: Does it compile without the patch?
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13:11<Guest2571>kop: I didn't try, but the patch is so small that I suspect it's the cause for this failure.
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14:12<Aleric>is gstreamermm part of debian?
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14:17<Aleric> E: Couldn't find package libgstreamermm-0.10-doc
14:17<Aleric>they don't exist :/
14:17<Aleric>well... apt-get says so anyway
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14:18<Aleric>Hmm, I guess I need to add 'experimental' to sources.list
14:18<johfel>Hi! Are there kernel&initrds for qemubuilder available?
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14:42<sander_>Hi all. I have a problem. I just upgraded my box to Squeeze but mdadm won't start (so LVM won't start, so the system won't start). I'm dropped in a busybox shell with the helpful message "Failure: failed to assemble all arrays."
14:42<sander_>What can I do?
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14:47<Titan8990>welcome to testing
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14:47<sander_>Titan8990: Surely you can do better :-)
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14:48<Titan8990>well, from what it sounds like matters were made worse by putting / as part of the LVM or RAID
14:48<Titan8990>if it wasn't you would atleast have a partially functional system right now
14:49<Titan8990>sander_, any errors?
14:49<sander_>Not from mdadm to the console. Of course I have a bunch of errors about LVM failing and stuff
14:50<sander_>During the upgrade I got an error that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf did not contain my array.
14:50<sander_>Before upgrading I ran `mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf`
14:51<sander_>When I looked at the file there were two entries. One for ARRAY /dev/md0 and the new one for /dev/md/0 with a different UID
14:51<sander_>I commented out the top/old one and rebooted
14:52<sander_>Note the extra / in there. The old one was for /dev/md0 and the new one for /dev/md/0
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14:53<sander_>PS: My mdadm is a two-disk RAID 1.
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14:57<Titan8990>sander_, if its RAID1 then it should be able to boot fine without the raid
14:57<Titan8990>well, that is unless your configs point to /dev/mdx
14:57<Titan8990>I am not very familiar with linux software raid but if you need help with the LFM, give me a shout :)
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14:58<sander_>My configs point to /dev/mapper/linuxvg-boot and linuxvg-root
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14:58<sander_>I have LVM on top of mdadm and I boot from LVM (one of the niceties of grub2)
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15:00<sander_>Titan8990, I don't suppose there's an IRC channel for mdadm? :-/
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15:01<Ignaz>hi, Debian!
15:02<locklace>!pie Ignaz
15:02*dpkg hits Ignaz in the face with a cream pie
15:02<Ignaz>!pie locklace
15:02*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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15:03<Titan8990>sander_, the #debian channel on is much more popular
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15:03<sander_>Titan8990: Weird. Since this is the official IRC channel for Debian
15:04<benji_>nearly 1k users there
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15:05<Titan8990>sander_, yes, but freenode itself its extremely more popular for linux and open source chat
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15:06<sney>this is the official channel, but any set of Debian users can make a #debian wherever they want to
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15:06<sney>free as in freedom, baby
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15:08<sney>the french isp "wanadoo" always reminds me of that abba song
15:09<sney>did you have a question, mikey?
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15:09<rovanion>I'm having trouble getting any sound out of my newly installed Debian Lenny; I have an Allegro/Maestro3
15:09<sney>!alsa checklist
15:09<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
15:09<mikey>how to download movies please?
15:10<sney>same way as in any other os
15:10<sney>naturally #debian does not condone piracy
15:11<mikey>thanx ;)
15:11<rovanion>sney, I am in the audio group but launching alsamixer gives me the fallowing error:
15:11<rovanion>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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15:12<cahoot>rovanion: cat /proc/asound/cards
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15:13<rovanion>cahoot, It reports no sound-cards
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15:13<caja>hola una pregunta
15:13<Lillymon>It seems Flash Player here has suddenly decided not to output sound, and I don't know why. SMPlayer did the same recently, which I fixed by changing the audio output from "alsa" to "alsa (1.0 - Creative X-Fi)". Of course I don't get that option with Flash Player, so what am I supposed to do with it?
15:13<cahoot>rovanion: so no module is loaded for the card - you know what module it needs?
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15:14<Lillymon>Everything else seems to work, it just seems Flash Player needs to be told something.
15:15<rovanion>cahoot, According to the Archwiki the soundcard works great with the ESS Allegro/Maestro3 kernel module. I ran Arch on this laptop about half a year ago. Other than that I don't know
15:15<retrospectacus>!tell caja about es
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15:15<sney>Lillymon: cat /proc/asound/cards , which one is first?
15:16<sney>if the first card is your pc speaker or modem or anything other than your actual soundcard, alsa may be defaulting to it, which is why specifying the output device fixed the smplayer probllem
15:16<cahoot>rovanion: try modprobe snd-maestro3
15:16<Lillymon>sney: Ah, I hadn't thought of that. My webcam is listed first for some reason, which I guess means audio is actually being sent to a microphone.
15:16<sney>haha nice one alsa
15:17<sney>anyway, specifying your default card in .asoundrc seems to fix it. you can google for the fix, I don't remember the syntax but it's pretty simple
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15:17<rovanion>cahoot, It returns nothing
15:17<cahoot>rovanion: cat /proc/asound/cards
15:18<rovanion>cahoot, Returns --- no soundcards ---
15:18<cahoot>rovanion: dmesg?
15:19<rovanion>cahoot, dmesg grep something{
15:19<cahoot>the last few lines shoul tell if modprobe failed
15:20<rovanion>cahoot, Bah I have an odd keyboard layout running. Well it returns errors and fails...
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15:20<cahoot>related to snd-maestro?
15:21<rovanion>cahoot, No related to hdc and ide
15:22<cahoot>rovanion: lsmod lists snd-maestro then?
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15:23<rovanion>cahoot, Yes it does
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15:23<cahoot>and a few other snd-*
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15:24<rovanion>cahoot, Yes quite some
15:25<cahoot>rovanion: try alsa force-reload and check if they are still loaded
15:26<rovanion>cahoot, The command alsa could not be found..
15:26<cahoot>as root
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15:27<rovanion>cahoot, They are still there
15:27<cahoot>rovanion: cat /proc/asound/cards still empty?
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15:27<rovanion>cahoot, Yup
15:29<locklace>rovanion: lspci -knn
15:30<rovanion>locklace, Maestro-3i is listed as Multimedia Audio controller
15:31<dpkg>The snd-maestro3 ALSA driver requires firmware from userspace for its operation. To install, refer to the procedure at . See also <alsa firmware>.
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15:32<rovanion>Hmm, the userspace driver was removed due to licensing issues.., manual install in progress
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15:44<rovanion>That did it, thank you for your assistance. I will make sure to pay it forward
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15:46<rovanion>Oh and while I'm on it. I'm mounting a ntfs partition via fstab on boot but the priviliges on it are set to a dead end for users other than root. How do I change this?
15:47<locklace>!congratulate rovanion
15:47<dpkg>Yay rovanion, you did it!
15:47<rovanion>The honour if there is any goes to you guys and gals
15:47<locklace>!user accessible ntfs
15:47<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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15:53<rodyaj>hi. there are a couple of packages missing from squeeze even when I change mirrors that I expected to find, like rxvt-unicode. Is rxvt-unicode meant to be missing?
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15:53<locklace>no, but someone filed a dumb rc bug against it a little while ago, so it's temporarily not in testing
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15:54<rodyaj>i see
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15:55<silvester>hello guys , anyone here managed to get his cuda work?
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16:47<stb>hello there, I have trouble accessing recently and found no info about it - is it me only?
16:48<faheem>stb: works for me
16:48<faheem>what is your location?
16:48<stb>I'm from germany, faheem
16:48<stb>thanks locklace, will check this
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16:52<stb>well, it seems that my system is broken, thanks so far : (
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16:57<jla>when I dpkg-buildpackage an 'all' architecture package, I'm getting an _i386.changes along with my .dsc and _all.deb. Shouldn't I be getting an _all.changes?
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17:01<sney>jla: #debian-mentors would know best
17:01<weasel>jla: that's fine
17:01<weasel>for all the archive cares it could called anything.changes
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17:04<jla>weasel: k. maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree then. My second step is to include the package into a local reprepro archive and it's error message lead me to question that bit: ".changes put in a distribution not listed within it"
17:04<jla>back to the drawing board, thanks.
17:04<weasel>distribution is stable/testing/unstable
17:05<weasel>i.e. what your changelog said in the first line
17:05<jla>doh right. the warnings before that about architecture called all threw me off the scent. looking again
17:06<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~/projects/debian/debian/tor/0.2.1.X/$ grep Distr tor_0.2.1.20-1_i386.changes
17:06<weasel>Distribution: unstable
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17:07<jla>right. sloppy apt-get source action on my part.
17:07<Invitado>alguien habla en español
17:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:12<stb>I am still having trouble browsing and wireshark said it is an ipv6 problem, maybe routing, maybe on the server side - anyone in for some hints?
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17:12<weasel>stb: host; mtr -n -r -c 10
17:12<weasel>stb: paste that output
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17:14<stb> has address
17:14<stb> has address
17:14<stb> has address
17:14<stb> has IPv6 address 2001:888:2000:12::2
17:14<stb> has IPv6 address 2001:858:2:1::10
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17:14<stb> 6. 2001:7f8:2c:1000:0:a500:286: 0.0% 10 34.5 34.3 33.4 35.0 0.4
17:14<stb> 7. 2001:680::134:222:86:79 0.0% 10 40.4 41.3 40.3 42.6 0.8
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17:14<stb> 8. 2001:680:0:800f::2 0.0% 10 42.4 43.2 41.5 52.5 3.3
17:14<stb> 9. 2001:858:2:1::10 0.0% 10 41.6 41.7 41.3 42.1 0.3
17:14<stb>... should've known ; )
17:14<weasel>not here.
17:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
17:15<stb>yes, sorry, I was reading wireshark : /
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17:16<stb> is the output of those commands
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17:19<stb>what confuses me is: a telnet to those www hosts with "GET /" returns a small page instantly, but using HTTP 1.1 to request makes the connection "hang" or somewhat
17:19<weasel>stb: traceroute -M tcpconn -6 -p 80 -n 2001:858:2:1::10
17:20<weasel>ah. so you have fscked path mtu discovery?
17:20<weasel>are you blocking any icmp related things?
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17:21<stb>umm, I do not intend to... and there are no iptables entries doing this on the router (lenny with 6to4 tunnel)
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17:22<stb>I had some mtu troubles some time (read: years) ago, so I do not filter icmp anymore
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17:24<stb>the traceroute gives this:
17:24<weasel>does ping6 -s 1400 -M do 2001:858:2:1::10 work?
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17:25<stb>yup, like a charm : /
17:25<weasel>what about with 1440?
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17:27<stb>ah! 1424 is the limit, anything larger gives "Packet too big" instantly
17:27<weasel>and 1423 works?
17:27<stb>but I presume this means my icmp does get along the router, yes?
17:28<weasel>there's no range where packets get dropped?
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17:28<stb>yes, anyting up to and including 1424
17:28<weasel>what's your IP address?
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17:28<stb>erm, wich one? ^^ router ipv4?
17:28<stb>or tunnel ipv6 *g*
17:29<weasel>your hosts's ipv6 address.
17:30<stb>that would be 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751
17:30*stb feels naked....
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17:30*aquarat also feels naked
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17:30<weasel>weasel@asteria:~$ ping6 -M do -s 1424 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751
17:30<weasel>PING 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751(2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751) 1424 data bytes
17:30<weasel>1432 bytes from 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=58.4 ms
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17:31<weasel>weasel@asteria:~$ ping6 -M do -s 1425 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751
17:31<weasel>PING 2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751(2002:4e31:6278:8774:21c:c0ff:fe76:c751) 1425 data bytes
17:31<weasel>does not.
17:31<weasel>no packet size too big messages either
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17:31<weasel>so something in your tunnel setup drops packets going to it that are too large
17:32<stb>ah, something like a reverse path mtu then?
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17:33<stb>I know that the anycast 6to4 services are somewhat picky, but as there is no nat in my ipv6 setup I thought it may "just work" ...
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17:34<aquarat>I was wondering if someone could help me...
17:34<aquarat>just maybe
17:34<stb>anyway, if you connect to using ipv6 it works then?
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17:34<weasel>stb: what are you asking?
17:34<aquarat>probably gonna get stones thrown for this
17:35<EagleRock>aquarat: only one way to find out :-)
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17:35<weasel>you managed to say a dozen lines
17:35<aquarat>I bought a Sun server today...
17:35<weasel>and yet not say anything
17:36<aquarat>a Sun fire V890
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17:36<stb>go ahead, the people around here are very nice and helpful to me : )
17:36<elops>apt-get install libc-dbg - after that how do I tell gdb to use it?
17:36<aquarat>32GBs of RAM and 8 processors, ultrasparc IV
17:36<aquarat>and I spent a large part of my day testing serial cables
17:36<aquarat>just to talk to it
17:36<weasel>we can't help you build your own nuclear power plant
17:37<aquarat>but nuclear is clean
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17:37<weasel>elops: gdb should by default
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17:38<stb>weasel: I was asking if you actually can browse using ipv6 since the problem we (read: you) found in my config only affects this site...
17:38<weasel>aquarat: do you have a question also?
17:38<weasel>stb: of course.
17:38<aquarat>the question is
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17:38<aquarat>and it's probably really stupid
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17:38<weasel>aquarat: STOP PRESSING ENTER
17:38<aquarat>is the "source" image an installable image ?
17:38*aquarat licks lips
17:38<EagleRock>weasel: lol
17:39<aquarat>okay, I'll try
17:39<weasel>aquarat: no, source is ... source.
17:39<stb>there goes hope... thanks for your time, weasel
17:39<weasel>aquarat: you probably want the sparc images, given that you have a sparc
17:39<weasel>(and usually one just netboots those)
17:39<aquarat>right, just making sure. The reason I asked is because I see sparc is supported with a 64bit kernel but only 32bit userland
17:40<aquarat>I managed to get it to boot a dapper drake image...
17:40<aquarat>well, it didn't get past the ramdisk phase
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18:18<mantra>help, 'something wicked happened' in aptitude
18:18<mantra>when i try aptitude update
18:18<mantra>Something wicked happened resolving '' (-11)
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18:19<mantra>this is such a retarded error message, and google has no answers
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18:20<dondelelcaro>mantra: error -11 was returned while trying to resolve, and aptitude doesn't know what that means
18:21<mantra>i dont know what resolving is1
18:21<mantra>but i use the internet!
18:21<mantra>im on it right now!
18:21<mantra>so why is it returning errors to aptitude???
18:22<mantra>im on it on the same machine as the stupid aptitude problem
18:22<mantra>fuck i shouldnt have used squeeze
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18:23<mantra>this is absolutely rediculous, one of the core components of debian broke on me
18:23<mantra>how unstable
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18:23<EagleRock>mantra: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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18:24<mantra>deb testing main contrib non-free
18:24<mantra>#deb-src testing main contrib non-free
18:24<mantra>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
18:24<mantra>#deb-src testing/updates main contrib non-free
18:24<mantra>deb testing main
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18:24<llimeht>dpkg: tell mantra about paste
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18:24<mantra>it was only like 5 lines
18:24<mantra>did it paste
18:25<dondelelcaro>mantra: doesn't matter; don't paste here.
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18:26<dondelelcaro>mantra: but regardless, attempting to resolve is returning error -11 for whatever reason. use strace or similar to provide a complete output so we can see what's actually going on.
18:26<dondelelcaro>mantra: strace aptitude update > foofile 2>&1; and put foofile into a paste site like
18:26<chocolat888>goonight all o/
18:27<p0fk>olaaaa a todos
18:28<p0fk>konversation rulz!
18:28<llimeht>p0fk: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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18:29<faheem>does debhelper take into account how quickly the lines are added?
18:29<p0fk>no thakz ... only testing konversation xD ... no speak english ...
18:30<faheem>does debhelper take into account how quickly the lines are added?
18:30<llimeht>p0fk: #debian-es
18:30<faheem>before booting someone, i mean
18:30<p0fk>:) ok
18:30<shadowlee>help a try install but in root terminal say no protocol specified and the terminal on my home run but only install in my home how can install please
18:30<llimeht>mantra: you need to run that as root though
18:30<mantra>oh ok
18:31<p0fk>??? error the compilation?
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18:34<p0fk>bytez!!! a todo -> all
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18:35<EagleRock>PovAddict: took the words right out of my mouth
18:35<PovAddict>or lack thereof
18:36<EagleRock>oh how I missed IRC
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18:38<faheem>EagleRock: missed? when?
18:39<EagleRock>faheem: I stopped IRCing years ago and only started again recently
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18:39<faheem>EagleRock: oh, ok.
18:40<faheem>EagleRock: you mean you didn't embrace your new found spare time with enthusiasm?
18:41<EagleRock>faheem: oh I did for a while, but I miss the oh-so-hilarious conversations that come out of help channels like #debian
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18:43<faheem>EagleRock: are they really so hilarious?
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18:44<mantra>so my problem is unfixable i guess?
18:44<mantra>fuck this im switching to ubuntu
18:44<mantra>ive been faithful to debian for years
18:44<faheem>mantra: shame on you
18:44<mantra>yeah yeah
18:45<mantra>it just kinda sucks using xfce of debian for a desktop
18:45<mantra>having to edit config files to network computers
18:45<mantra>that was the first strike against it
18:45<mantra>a pretty large strike
18:45<faheem>we've got to be hilarious now, else EagleRock will be disappointed
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18:45<EagleRock>mantra: if you think you can get away with not editing config files at all in Linux, you're fooling yourself
18:45<PovAddict>yeah, god forbid you have to edit a config file on Linux
18:45<faheem>mantra: you do realise Ubuntu is a snapshot of Debian right?
18:46<mantra>yes i do
18:46<jpinx-eeepc>1dased on debian
18:46<jpinx-eeepc>faheem: no it is not
18:46<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: it isn't?
18:46<mantra>i want to have my computers network with each other automatically
18:46<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: don't listen to him
18:46<mantra>windows has done it for eears, linus is superior to windows, so it should do that and more
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18:47<EagleRock>mantra: so why aren't you using windows then?
18:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:47<jpinx-eeepc>!based on debian
18:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
18:47<mantra>im gonna try out the latest releases live cd, last time i tried it it kinda sucked
18:48<mantra>but maybe its not so buggy anymore
18:48<mantra>and maybe gnome isnt as gay anymore
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18:49<mantra>i dont wanna have to add all my computers ips and hostnames to the hosts file! its so archaic
18:49<llimeht>dnsmasq or avahi can sort that out for you
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18:49<mantra>yeah too bad i cant fucking update my system anymore
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18:51<mantra>i have no idea where this aptitude problem came frome
18:52<mantra>its the debian devs faults
18:52<mantra>i dont touch the core networking stuff ever
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18:53<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: what is your problem?
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18:54<EagleRock>mantra: not to be argumentative here, but if you think Linux is an OS you'll never have to get under the hood for, you're not using the right OS. Even ubuntu with all of its custom scripts and whatnot won't save the day 100% of the time
18:54<mantra>aptitude update returns 'something wicked happened resolving (-11)'
18:54<llimeht>mantra: thank you for testing the upcoming release squeeze. "testing is called testing for a reason"
18:54<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: check your sources.list
18:54<EagleRock>also, if I bitched out the Debian devs every time something went wrong on a test version of Debian, I'd have switched to Ubuntu 1,000 times by now
18:55<mantra>its fine
18:55<mantra>i paraphrased that error message
18:55<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: pastebin it
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18:55<mantra>the sources.list?
18:55<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: and pastebin your error message
18:56<godmode_on>so linux uses gtk or python or something to build it's guis, right? anyone know what M$ uses?
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18:56<jpinx-eeepc>godmode_on: do you have a debian support question?
18:56<PovAddict>godmode_on: Windows API
18:57<godmode_on>thx PovAddict
18:57<PovAddict>"gtk or python or something"? you're comparing apples with knives there
18:58<shadowlee>how install netbeans without aptitude install netbeans-ide
18:58<godmode_on>yeah. it's ok though
18:58<godmode_on>it's just a butter knife
18:59<mantra>nobody knows how to fix this error, its broken forever
18:59<PovAddict>mantra: curl -I
18:59<llimeht>mantra: can you pastebin /etc/nsswitch.conf?
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19:00<llimeht>mantra: and also /etc/hosts, while you're at it.
19:00<mantra>curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host ''
19:00<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: you have some ocnnectivity problems - maybe dns in your router?
19:00<mantra>i use opendns
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19:04<llimeht>"hosts: wins files dns" is unusual. That requires you to have a working winbind/samba installation.
19:04<mantra>i do
19:04<mantra>i use that for my windoze computers
19:05<llimeht>mantra: I presume there is also some whitespace in the first two lines of /etc/hosts that isn't in the pastebin
19:05<mantra>let me check
19:06<llimeht>There should be whitespace in " localhost" (and same for the next line). I doubt that's the issue though; I'd try removing "wins" from nsswitch.conf for the moment and see if that solves it.
19:06<mantra>oh wait yeah
19:07<mantra>there is whitespace between those
19:08<mantra>woah it did work
19:08<mantra>thats odd
19:08<PovAddict>"New default for Fedora 12 in the desktop versions is that unauthorized users can install signed packages without the root password."
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19:08<mantra>i thought it was unfixable because google just showed errors with no solutions
19:08<PovAddict>normal users, that is
19:09<PovAddict>anyone with a local account can install packages :|
19:09*PovAddict holds tight to debian
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19:09<llimeht>mantra: it was a name resolution error, so looking at the name resolution setup seemed to be a good place to start. Seemed obviously related to #551760 too.
19:09<jpinx-eeepc>mantra: good to know you're working now :)
19:10<faheem>PovAddict: wow
19:10<faheem>unless this is a joke
19:11<EagleRock>PovAddict: ...............scary
19:12<faheem>PovAddict: looks like they are just discussing it
19:13<PovAddict>faheem: no, it's implemented
19:13<PovAddict>the comments aren't discussion
19:13<PovAddict>they are complaints from users, asking to change it back
19:13<faheem>really? that's mad
19:13<mantra>who uses fedora anyways
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19:19<faheem>i hope this David Zeuthen guy isn't a Fedora developer. he is clearly on crack
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19:20<bremner>Good crack?
19:21<faheem>bremner: dunno. should ask him.
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19:21<EagleRock>bremner: I'd say no...this guy uses "snakeoil and ignorance" to describe erring on the side of caution when it comes to installing software...
19:21<faheem>here's another pricesless quote: Quit moaning about it and disable it if you don't like it - isn't that the true
19:21<faheem>*nix spirit?
19:22<EagleRock>this guy must be Ulrich Drepper's protege
19:23<faheem>EagleRock: yes, that's the quote i had in mind.
19:23<PovAddict>omg drepper
19:25<faheem>maybe they should just abolish the root user altogether. clearly it is outdated. I'm sure the Fedora Developers have a better way to do it
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19:32<gray_fox>hi everybody
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19:38<faheem>gray_fox: hi
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19:52<benji_> Hi, how can I have a list of my manually installed packages?
19:53<PovAddict>try aptitude search '~i!~M'
19:56<jpinx-eeepc>PovAddict: that seems to just list everything
19:56<PovAddict>not for me
19:56<PovAddict>I see only installed packages, and no automatically-installed packages
19:56<PovAddict>215 lines on my system
19:57<jpinx-eeepc>I get all packages installed when the system was installed - not the ones I installed manually since - which is how I read the question
19:58<PovAddict>well then it's not possible
19:58<PovAddict>there is no "installed on <timestamp>" afaik :P
19:58<jpinx-eeepc>PovAddict: only intrested in building my aptitude-fu here ;)
19:58<faheem>aptitude search '~i!~M' | wc -l = 1255 , dpkg -l | wc -l = 1855
19:58<PovAddict>that's a lot of manual pkgs
19:59<PovAddict>I have 215/1004
19:59<faheem>PovAddict: the 1255 is really the manually installed packages? that seems a lot
20:00<jpinx-eeepc>faheem: that gives me no packages at all
20:00<faheem>if ~i is installed !~M would seem to be not manually installed
20:00<faheem>assuming ! means not
20:00<faheem>but i dpn
20:00<jpinx-eeepc>I'd agree - it needs to be *only* ~M
20:00<PovAddict>~M is auto-installed
20:00<faheem>don't know the aptitude sytax
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20:01<faheem>does a concatenation mean and?
20:01*benji_ is reading the aptitude reference guide
20:01<faheem>PovAddict: ok. stills seems a lot
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20:02<faheem>PovAddict: not auto installed == manually installed? no other possibilities?
20:02<PovAddict>faheem: start aptitude, mark the entire 'libs' category as automatically installed... then make sure nothing is being removed that shouldn't be removed :P
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20:02<faheem>actually, i don't use aptitute, so maybe my numbers don't mean much
20:02<faheem>though i
20:02<PovAddict>well exactly
20:02<PovAddict>apt-get has no concept of "automatically installed package"
20:02<faheem>i have noticed apt muttering about manually installed packages
20:03<faheem>PovAddict: it does
20:03<jpinx-eeepc>listing manually installed and backported packages is a common enough request
20:03<faheem>as of lenny, anyway
20:03<PovAddict>afaik, if you install foo and it depends on libfoo, then libfoo will only get marked as auto-installed if you used aptitude for this whole process
20:04<faheem>PovAddict: well, apt uses a similar notion. they are both frontends to the apt library anyway. so i don't know how separate these notions are
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20:27<markis>how do I "apt-get dist-upgrade" automatically but leave out the kernel (and preferably even lock current version)?
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20:30<faheem>markis: you could pin it
20:30<faheem>the only kernel upgrades you get will be security ones, thogh
20:30<faheem>so i don't see the problem
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20:32<markis>faheem: potential boot problems, which I prefer to deal with when I upgrade manually (usually ensuring that I'm also physically present at the grub crime scene)
20:34<jpinx-eeepc>markis: use aptitude and pinning
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20:37<markis>jpinx-eeepc: I can't even find the word "pin" in man aptitude
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20:38<markis>faheem: could you show me an example command/configuration line?
20:39<EagleRock>dpkg: tell markis about pinning
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20:41<icio>hi ppl, where can i ask for some annoying video (xserver-driver and kernel module) problems, I have some i915 vrefresh/vblank errors and a flicker screen ?
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20:42<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
20:42<jpinx-eeepc>markis: ^^
20:43<markis>yes, thank you
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20:48<kop>!tell icio about ask
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20:56<markis>how do I get a list of updates?
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21:02<kmap>markis: apt-get --simulate might help
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21:08<markis>is there any non-kernel package that may force (depend on) the installation of a new kernel version?
21:08<kop>markis: aptitude search '~U'
21:08<markis>thank you, kmap and kop
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21:13<markis>does "aptitude safe-upgrade linux~=" look OK?
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21:17<andr0z>hello all
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21:18<diego>hi, I have several screens and I would like a command to see fast what is running each
21:19<diego>like ps for a screen
21:19<diego>is it possible ?
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21:20<jpinx-eeepc>diego: do ^a? to get the help
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21:20<diego>what is ^a ?
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21:21<jpinx-eeepc>diego: Ctrl a then ?
21:21<andr0z>after connecting to my wireless network using wpa_supplicant, how can i set up dhcp for the wireless connection? It works with wired networking, but it doesnt with wireless, or am i missing some lines in wpa_supplicant.conf?
21:21<jpinx-eeepc>diego: you need to learn the basic menu of screen ? ;)
21:23<diego>so, I dont want to enter to each screen
21:23<diego>there about 50 screens
21:23<diego>I would like to know what is each of them running as Im looking one process in particular
21:23<jpinx-eeepc>diego: you *really* need to learn the basic menu of screen ? ;)
21:23<markis>it seems there's no way to prevent aptitude from removing my automatically removable packages
21:24<markis>is it so?
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21:24<jpinx-eeepc>markis: there is a "hold" option somewhere iirc
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21:25<jpinx-eeepc>cantv: hola - but English in here please
21:25<jpinx-eeepc>ooops - drive-by spanish hit
21:25<markis>jpinx-eeepc: yes, but I'd have to list manually the packages to hold
21:25<gsimmons>andr0z: Start a DHCP client for the relevant interface.
21:25<faheem>markis: !pinning
21:25<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
21:26<faheem>markis: pinning can be used to hold packages back. though you could also rename them or use an epoch
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21:27<markis>faheem: what is an epoch?
21:27<jpinx-eeepc>markis: holding packages is essentially a manual operation
21:27<benji_>Hi, could some nice person give me the md5sum of this ?
21:27<dpkg>[epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
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21:27<faheem>!version epoch
21:27<dpkg>The version number of a packge have a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1<6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>
21:27<faheem>not a really recommended solution, but an option
21:28<markis>and is it easy to rename a package?
21:28<jpinx-eeepc>!tell faheem about msgthebot
21:28<faheem>markis: depends. generally not very hard. you have to change the packaging files
21:28<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: yeah, yeah
21:29<markis>!tell markis about msgthebot
21:29<jpinx-eeepc>markis: renaming packages takes you into future troubles when you forget what you renamed ;)
21:29<jpinx-eeepc>!tell markis about selftell
21:29<faheem>pinning is probably the simplest method, but can have unexpected results if you forget you pinned it
21:30<jpinx-eeepc>pinning is easier to manage than renaming
21:30<faheem>jpinx-eeepc: agreed
21:30<diego>I can see the menu, but I dont see an option to navigate the screens easily
21:30<diego>or to see each one processes
21:30<jpinx-eeepc>diego: and read man screen
21:30<faheem>or you can can change the version number, as already mentioned
21:31<markis>it seems implies that pinning is impossible
21:31<gsimmons>benji_: Refer to the MD5SUMS file available from the same directory as your CD image. Additionally, are you sure you want to use an image for Itanium systems?
21:31<faheem>markis: huh?
21:32<andr0z>gsimmons: how would i go about doing that? I thought if i added "iface eth1 inet dhcp" it would the trick but it isnt :(
21:32<markis>faheem: it can't be done on packages, but on repositories
21:32<faheem>markis: no, you can do it on individual packages
21:32<markis>there's no such example
21:33<faheem>markis: man apt_preferences
21:33<gsimmons>andr0z: Are you using ifupdown to start wpa_supplicant? (i.e. wpa-* iface options)
21:34<markis>for instance, what would be the configuration line to have the current kernel pinned, no matter what version it is, no matter what repository?
21:34<andr0z>no im using wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth1 -cwpa_supplicant.conf
21:34<benji_>gsimmons: well I have an "intel core i7", it's a 64b intel proc so what should I take ?
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21:35<andr0z>ill do researcg on ifupdown thanks
21:36<gsimmons>andr0z: Ask dpkg about wpa for links to example /e/n/i configurations.
21:36<benji_>gsimmons: I should use amd64?
21:36<gsimmons>benji_: Either the i386 or amd64 depending on your requirements ; /msg dpkg amd64
21:37<benji_>gsimmons: If I was 6GB of RAM I think I must use the amd64 right?
21:39<markis>benji_: I guess so, I don't see why you would hope for an exemption
21:39<gsimmons>benji_: You can alternatively use i386 with a bigmem kernel, or an amd64 kernel image within a Debian i386 system.
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21:40<andr0z>!tell andr0z about wpa
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21:44<markis>how do I check what version a package is currently?
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21:45<xxzeroxx>you can use aptitude show packagename
21:45<icebrain>you can also /msg judd versions <package>
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21:45<markis>xxzeroxx: is it off-topic?
21:46<xxzeroxx>no, i forgot the slash so it printed that message instead
21:46<xxzeroxx>i wanted to join debian offtopic :P
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21:47<faheem>markis: apt-cache policy pkgname
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22:02<imganquan>markis: I just have two ways :) 1. aptitude show <packagename> | grep Version 2. dpkg -s <packagename> | grep Version
22:02<dbldtx_>How do I ensure that my graphics are up to date and I am running the best solution possible for 3d acceleration or something like that, even on this old hardware? I'd like to make the most out of it. Debian Squeeze on OLD Compaq Presario 2100 with Radeon Mobility U1 66mHz
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22:23<fgh> doesnt work for me in Iceweasel. Anyone got a sugestion?
22:25<dbldtx_>sudo apt-get install opera
22:25<dbldtx_>Or ensure that you have flash and java and everything for iceweasy
22:26<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: works in my firefox
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22:28<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: are you sure? i mean, if you browse mens footwear does it show up all good then? :)
22:29<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: it's a really crap site - all flash and dead slow to load, but it works eventually
22:30<fgh>hm, then i guess i miss some iceweaselpackage ...
22:30<fgh>thank you
22:30<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: you need flash and javascripts enabled
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22:45<faheem>markis: example command/configuration line for what?
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22:48<eni4c>este canal es inges
22:49<jpinx-eeepc>eni4c: si - todos en ingles - por espanol vete a #debian-es
22:50<faheem>!tell eni4c about es
22:50<eni4c>lo hice pero esta pobre de usuarios
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>eni4c: yo se - pero todos en ingles aca
22:50<eni4c>ok thankś
22:50<jpinx-eeepc>eni4c: habla ingles - no importe si es malo ;)
22:51<jpinx-eeepc>it can't be worse than my spanish ;)
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22:51<eni4c>I'm speaking english very little
22:52<sime>hi / bonjour
22:52<eni4c>It'dificult for me
22:52<jpinx-eeepc>eni4c: what is the debian problem?
22:54<sime>I`m connecting to my job VPN with vpnc. I wanted to know when I am connected.. do all my internet traffic goes trough the crypted tunnel? can I specifie only RDP ports and still watch pron?
22:54<eni4c>I'dont problem debian I'm canary
22:54<eni4c>my problem is speak english
22:54<fgh>looking good
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22:55<andr0z>what is the correct syntax to specify a dns server in /etc/network/interfaces ? is it "nameserver"
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22:55<eni4c>well good bye ok
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23:02<Xenguy>andr0z: shouldn't that go in /etc/resolv.conf ?
23:02<fgh>hmm, got java 1.6.0_16 and flash 10.0 enabled but still no success
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23:10<Gaartboom>Hi, my question is: How can I boot pxe a Debian Squeeze from Grub. My menu.lst (grub.conf) is here: I don't know whats wrong. I can do it with Centos butt not with Debian.
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23:13<markis>faheem: for pinning a kernel
23:13<faheem>markis: are you sure this is something you need to do?
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23:14<faheem>it is almost never necessary
23:14<faheem>in any case, did you look at man apt_preferences?
23:14<faheem>it has examples
23:15<Gaartboom>I did wget the linux and initrd.gz and renamed them as linux = vmlinuz.squeeze.pxe and initrd.gz = initrd.squeeze.pxe
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23:15<markis>yes, but I don't understand much
23:16<gsimmons>andr0z: If you are using resolvconf to manage your nameserver information, you can use the dns-nameservers iface option (man 8 resolvconf).
23:16<markis>for instance, what the heck does "Explanation: Uninstall or do not install any Debian-originated" mean?
23:16<markis>is it a mandatory line?
23:16<markis>is it just a comment?
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23:17<markis>if it's neither, then why is it indented as part of the sample configuration?
23:17<faheem>markis: first of two comment lines :-)
23:17<markis>and why this stupid obsessive "*" instead of a damn package
23:17<markis>I need to see a damn package
23:17<faheem>... package versions other than those in the stable distr
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23:17<markis>like this, I don't even know where (or if!) to version it
23:18<markis>also, why 900? why not 903?
23:18<faheem>markis: no difference. just a range
23:18<faheem>markis: you didn
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23:18<faheem>didn't explain why you need to hold back a kernel
23:19<markis>and can I just ignore "release a=stable" or so?
23:19<markis>I want my configuration to be release-agnostic
23:19<calam>Please have a problem with my system because I have finished updating and I opened the terminal of root
23:19<markis>faheem: I explained it earlier copiously, but let me find and paste
23:19<andr0z>how can i stop/start/restart /net/network/interfaces ?
23:20<markis>faheem: potential boot problems, which I prefer to deal with when I upgrade manually (usually ensuring that I'm also physically present at the grub crime scene)
23:20<markis>faheem: well, not so copiously, but you get the3 point :)
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23:20<faheem>markis: so you are worried about boot problems if the kernel gets upgraded without you noticing?
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23:21<faheem>markis: you are doing automatic upgrades?
23:21<markis>faheem: yes, and not for myself
23:21<faheem>markis: ok
23:21<markis>faheem: so I prefer to deal with kernel updates myself
23:22<faheem>well, first, what is your kernel package name?
23:22<faheem>it should be of the form linux-image...
23:22<faheem>say Pin-Priority: 1001
23:23<faheem>you can pin on version number, so just stick that in
23:24<markis>can't I just use linux-* to cover all packages?
23:25<faheem>markis: i suppose. wouldn't recommend it, though
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23:26<faheem>Pin: version 2.6...
23:27<faheem>Priority: 1001
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23:27<faheem>markis: do a search for the example in man apt_preferences for perl
23:27<faheem>something similar should work for you
23:28<markis>faheem: WTH? didn't see that! :)
23:28<markis>faheem: thanks
23:28<markis>faheem: so three lines is all I need
23:29<faheem>markis: yes
23:29<faheem>markis: check apt-cache policy
23:29<faheem>to see what apt is actually doing re priorities
23:29<faheem>it shows the pin values
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23:30<faheem>markis: 1001 is pretty aggressive. it might make it difficult to upgrade even manually
23:31<faheem>so you might need to adjust
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23:31<markis>faheem: so I think I had (unconsciously) mistaken it for some perl apt-get backend and skipped over it on fast reading, that's why I didn't "see" the perl example
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23:32<Gaartboom>what do i need to do a headless installation of Debian Squeeze?
23:32<dkr>install a head?
23:33<markis>Gaartboom: "apt-get dist-upgrade" should be just fine
23:33<faheem>markis: you can print using: man -t apt_preferences >
23:33<Gaartboom>i'm running Centos now so a apt-get dist-upgrade won't work
23:34<markis>Gaartboom: oh, you mean a clean install
23:36<markis>I never tried that, but keep waiting. somebody must have done it.
23:36<Gaartboom>When my system starts its not starting in headless mode,
23:37<Gaartboom>it starts the setup of squeeze but is waiting for input
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23:37<markis>faheem: and how do I comment out apt-get configuration? it seems "#" is not ok.
23:38<faheem>markis: good question. you mean apt preferences configuration?
23:38<markis>yes, that
23:38<faheem>i forget. maybe someone here will no.
23:38<faheem>know, sorry
23:38<Gaartboom>I give those kernel options: kernel /vmlinuz.squeeze.pxe vnc vncpassword=123456 headless ip=dhcp ksdevice=eth0
23:38<faheem>as i recall there is an outstanding bug about this
23:39<markis>I think it's "//"
23:39<faheem>markis: see
23:39<faheem>support for # was recently added
23:42<faheem>markis: it seems that commenting adjacent empty lines with # works. according to one of the comments in that bug report
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23:43<markis>I think I'll just stick to "//"
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23:51<andr0z>yay i got my wireless working :D
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23:56<locklace>!congratulate andr0z
23:56<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies andr0z, you did it!
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23:57<andr0z>haha, thanks locklace
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