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---Logopened Thu Nov 19 00:00:24 2009
00:03<markis>is there any way to check when a package was installed?
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00:08<Gaartboom>you can apt-get the package again - it will tell if the package is installed or need to upgrade
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00:08<locklace>markis: look at the log files in /var/log or the timestamps in /var/lib/dpkg/info
00:08<dkr>markis: /var/log/dpkg.log
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00:10<markis>thank you
00:11<kilelme>how to update apt-file
00:12<Gaartboom>apt-get install apt-file
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00:30<kilelme>i have install it
00:31<kilelme>but now need uppdate
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00:33<markis>what does "abi bump" mean?
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00:34<dpkg>from memory, abi is application binary interface., or
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00:51<Gaartboom>kilelme: can you be more specific about this package, if there is an update apt-get install will suggest to update it.
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00:53<gsimmons>Gaartboom: kilelme has left already.
00:53<gsimmons>Gaartboom: Please read the Installation Guide, don't assume that installation methods used for other distributions are applicable to Debian.
00:54<gsimmons>Regarding your headless install requirement from an existing Linux system, you may be interested in installing over SSH. Specifically, by using the hd-media image (with a Debian ISO), a preseed file (to start the network-console component) and your existing GRUB setup.
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00:57<Gaartboom>gsimmons: thank you for the info, butt my problem is that I don't have a remote tftp location where the installer could get the files,
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00:59<Gaartboom>gsimmons: is it possible to put he preseed file and is, on the existing partition and install over it?
00:59<gsimmons>Gaartboom: A TFTP server isn't required for the hd-media files. These would be locally accessed by your system.
00:59<Gaartboom>and iso
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01:01<Gaartboom>gsimmons: so i putt the hole folder hd-media on my existing root, edit an preseed file. And then i would be able to login with vnc to do the rest of the setup?
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01:16<gsimmons>Gaartboom: The partition providing /hd-media would need to remain, to provide the base system, until the install has completed. If you have a /boot partition, you can place the hd-media initrd.gz/vmlinuz, netinst ISO and preseed files within. Please refer to the Install Guide, I've no idea where you are pulling VNC from.
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01:21<lordkelmain>Hi all, just installed debian 503 and running XFCE. Is there a specific group I need to add myself to to see standby or hibertnate in the XFCE quit menu?
01:22<jm_>lordkelmain: fixed in xfce 4.6
01:22<tr3b>is it possible to configure a wifi adaptor within the liveCD environment?
01:22<tr3b>as far as i can tell none of the tools to do so have been included
01:22<lordkelmain>jm_, so the solution is to upgrade XFCE?
01:22<jm_>lordkelmain: apparently yes
01:23<tr3b>wireless-tools module-assistant ndiswrapper ndisgtk etc
01:23<tr3b>i suppose maybe i'm intended to connect to the internet to download the tools to setup my the connect?
01:24<tr3b>or did i miss something terribly important?
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01:25<neverleave>hello. is it possible to configure the dhcp daemon i have running on my linux router box to log all dhcp requests, leases, etc?
01:26<jm_>I know dnsmasq can do it, haven't used other DHCP daemons
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01:27<jm_>as for leases, it probably has them stored in a file
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01:27<tr3b>no ideas?
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01:28<lordkelmain>tr3b, your wireless device may not be supported by the default kernel.
01:29<tr3b>so my one option is to hope it just works?
01:29<tr3b>sounds very linuxy..
01:29<lordkelmain>tr3b, pretty much.
01:29<lordkelmain>tr3b, after I installed, wireless was useless. So I compiled the kernel using my slackware .config and now it'sworking fine.
01:30<tr3b>i don't wish to install. i wish to use a liveCD. i have a driver that will work, i'd love to use ndiswrapper but it can't be found
01:31<tr3b>nor can any of the packages i listed above
01:31<tr3b>after trying 3 different liveCDs i could just curse
01:31<tr3b>i'm terribly mad
01:32<tr3b>i'm about to just tell my girlfriend she may as well buy windows
01:33<tr3b>because linux doesn't work
01:33<lordkelmain>tr3b, did you try a ubuntu build?
01:33<tr3b>sure did
01:33<tr3b>ubuntu doesn't have ndisgtk
01:33<tr3b>debian has no useful packages whatsoever that i can tell
01:33<lordkelmain>What specific device is this for?
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01:34<lordkelmain>Is it really rare or just without support at all?
01:34<tr3b>i have the driver
01:34<tr3b>it has nothing to do with being rare
01:34<tr3b>it has to do with being able to use the ndiswrapper module to configure it
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01:36<tr3b>i'm sure if i could magically use the connection before configuring it to download the packages, i'd be able to install it just fine
01:37<tr3b>but since apparently morons are in charge of setting up liveCDs across the board, and there is no such thing as magic, my girlfriend will never use linux
01:37<jm_>which live cd?
01:37<tr3b>deb 5
01:37<jm_>you can build your own with specific packages
01:37<tr3b>build my own what? liveCD?
01:37<tr3b>how do you do that?
01:39<tr3b>all i want to do is pop a disc in that allows her to do the normal things she does, play tunes, browse web, check email etc.
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01:39<lordkelmain>tr3b, good luck, I'm heading elsewhere.
01:39<tr3b>see ya
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01:40<tr3b>i don't want to spend 5 hours setting it up and then as soon as it turns off it's all gone
01:41<tr3b>this was such a wasted day
01:41<tr3b>i should have just played games instead
01:41<tr3b>this is probably why linux will never win against windows
01:42<tr3b>linux mint: "it just works!" no it doesnt
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01:44<tr3b>not worth screwing with
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02:08<Gaartboom>gsimmons: look at my menu.lst file at this is an example how i install CentOs, it boots the kernel, configure dhcp on my eth0 and enable vnc so i can connect from the other side of the world to setup my server. I tought i would be able to do this with Debian to. I know it works with Fedora and all red-hat distributions.
02:10<jm_>debian can start ssh server for you to finish the installation
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02:11<Gaartboom>jm_: ok butt how can i start it to configure my eth0, so i could connect.
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02:11<jm_>Gaartboom: it's explained in the installation manual and preseed docs,
02:12<KostyaXu>I installed Xubuntu 9.10 to 8g USB flash drive as persistant install.
02:13<KostyaXu>it's working well, except I can't log into IRC with pidgin
02:13<Gaartboom>jm_: thank you i will look into it, (i'm trying to do this for 48 hours and did read allot. butt will give this a try) thanks for the reply.
02:13<jm_>Gaartboom: no worries
02:13<jm_>!tell KostyaXu -about ubuntu
02:14<KostyaXu>ok but xubuntu is a descendant of ubuntu!
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02:14<KostyaXu>anyway, its working well on usb drive...cheers.
02:16<jm_>yes but this channel is for Debian, not for Ubuntu
02:16<KostyaXu>ubuntu & xubuntu are based on debian.
02:16<KostyaXu>I download deb install files
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02:17<KostyaXu>I'm going to the xubuntu room now..adios
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02:25<Gaartboom>jm_: Thanks! that did the trick! :) at last i can sleep good now.
02:26<jm_>Gaartboom: enjoy
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02:31<dbldtx_>I am using Debian Squeeze on a Compaq Presario 2100. It has a Radeon Mobility U1 - Done a LOT of searching, how can I tell what's installed to "drive" my card or if I have 3D acceleration?
02:33<dbldtx_>In fact, I'm searching right now - I want to run the Ultima Online client but want my machine to be in the best position of readiness possible before I install it.
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02:35<jm_>glxinfo, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:44<dbldtx_>jm_ thank you - you are brilliant as always
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02:45<jm_>dbldtx_: np
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03:10<ixmatrix>buon giorno
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03:13<chocolat888>bonjours à tous o/
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03:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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03:27<alanhaggai>Hi. How do I install KDE 4.x in Debian Lenny? Which repositories should I add?
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03:28<jm_>!tell alanhaggai -about kde4
03:28<alanhaggai>jm_: Thank you.
03:29<jm_>alanhaggai: no worries
03:31<alanhaggai>When I add 'testing' repositories, do I have to remove the 'stable' ones?
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03:32<jm_>do you want to upgrade to testing?
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03:33<jm_>then it's best to simply change existing lines
03:33<alanhaggai>I see.
03:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>
03:34<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. Expected to be released in early 2010, see See also <squeeze kernel>.
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03:37<alanhaggai>Thanks for the help, jm_ and franki^.
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03:38<franki^>alanhaggai: it was literally the least that i could do, but i hope that your upgrade goes well :)
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03:45<alanhaggai>franki^: Yes, hoping for the best. :-)
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04:00<hacck>hi am a backtrack newbie am running bt4 PF on my acer aspire one i was wondering as to how to use the radio analysis programs like aircrack and the like
04:01<franki^>last time i checked backtrack wasn't debian...
04:01<hacck>right sorry
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04:02<flog>install your wifi driver
04:02<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
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04:16<TechBug>hi everyone
04:16<TechBug>any ubuntu expert here
04:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:21<TechBug>ok :(
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04:30<K0JIbKA>:)Hi all!
04:34<K0JIbKA>Two laptops and PC into local network using router -
04:34<K0JIbKA>That is my target. Toshiba Satellite Laptop is running everything shown in my signature. Desktop (very old one) is running same Debian Stable (Lenny)/KDE. Netbook is supplied with previously installed Linpus Linux i.e. Fedora 8. D-Link wireless router distributes DHCP over Local Network. I can
04:34<K0JIbKA>each and every computer using their IP but can not share resources or play network games. Help, please
04:34<K0JIbKA>Kernel : Linux 2.6.26-1-686 (i686)
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04:41<Luffy1980>Is there a place where I can ask for a program to be packaged for Debian?
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04:51<perk>Luffy1980, yes basically you file an RFP (Request For Package) to the BTS (Bug Tracking System)
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04:53<Luffy1980>perk: thanks. I'm interested in having stanse packaged for Debian.
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05:11<K0JIbKA>That is my target. Toshiba Satellite is running everything shown in my signature. Desktop (very old one) is running same Debian Stable (Lenny)/KDE. Netbook is supplied with previously installed Linpus Linux i.e. Fedora 8. D-Link wireless router distributes DHCP over Local Network. Everything is wired. In case I can disable WiFi link. I can ping each and every computer using their IP but can not share resources or play network games. Help, please. Toshiba Lapt
05:12<K0JIbKA>How to bring up local network?
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05:16<Supaplex>so you have network reachability between hosts, but you want to share, what kind of resources? play what network games?
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05:20<K0JIbKA>Supaplex: just ordinary local folders from /home. Even printer is not required. Games - most simple. Like wesnoth
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05:27<K0JIbKA>I had post it there :
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06:05<Lillymon>Before I go to bed, things happen on this PC and information about it gets mailed to root. I'm root. How do I read this mail in such a way that Debian knows I've done it?
06:06<jm_>any MUA
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06:06<jm_>typically your MTA is configure to send mail for root to some local user
06:06<themill>Lillymon: you should have been prompted to have root's email sent to some other account during install.
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06:07<jm_>but in general no-one cares whether you read it or not
06:07<jm_>and nothing too
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06:09<Lillymon>Yeah, but it gets mildly annoying to get prompted to read it over and over. I actually found the file it was looking for and looked at it using vi, but it seems that doesn't count as reading it for some reason. If I got a prompt to redirect mail during install, I didn't do it. Though I don't recall being prompted at all.
06:09<jm_>prompted by what?
06:09<jm_>you mean your shell telling you you have new mail? you can disable that too
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06:10<Lillymon>Well I can't remember what last prompted me, since I tried to figure out what I last did that told me I had mail... and I can't remember what it was. I don't exactly run the slickest of operations.
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06:53<crazyb0y>anyone using gidentd? i'm trying to start it only with ipv4 support with -l option, but it doesn't work with the same error in the logfile --> 1258631508:01546 Unable to open /proc/net/tcp6: No such file or directory
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06:55<ramya>R u onlinwe
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06:56<dpkg>Yes, jpinx-eeepc, you are online.
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06:59<MNZ>Hi. Is there a special way to set up a Guest desktop login or should I just create a normal account and call it Guest ?
07:01<gsimmons>crazyb0y: See Debian bug #377891.
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07:04<dr|z3d>MNZ: Create a new account, and make sure you only assign it the privileges you wawnt it to have.
07:04<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: sounds like you have just come from windows?
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07:05<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: you can create any account you like, call it what you like and allow it to do what you like
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07:05<jm_>or ubuntu, apparently ubuntu has something similar
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07:14<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, actually, 3 years of linux. I just remembered that I saw a Guest login thingie on ubuntu back when I used it so I thought that maybe there's a sort of standard way to make one (with things like a non-persistent desktop/files). I guess I'll just create an account
07:14<dr|z3d>MNZ: Create an account, and make sure you limit privileges.. that's all you need to do.
07:15<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: you might be able to make it a default autologin - not something I have attempted, but worth a shot;)
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07:15<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: and I was joking about windows - I missed the ;) -- ;)
07:15<crazyb0y>gsimmons: thanks i prefered to use oidentd instead of gidentd
07:17<MNZ>What I really need is non-persistent files. so once the guest logs of - poof everything is back to the defaults. I guess this could be done with some shell magic
07:18<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: or a cron job to look at who is logged in and if guest isn't wipe the files?
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07:19<MNZ>haha the "New User" gui won't let me create a user with no password.
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07:20<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: do it as root
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07:20<locklace>dpkg: flw
07:20<dpkg><snadge> i want to create a version of debian that violates as many patents as possible, and is crammed full of non free software and warez.. call it debian warez edition. what do you think? :P
07:21<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, I'm root already (gksu). It just won't let me create an account with no password. I'll just remove the password later
07:22<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: are you working in a gui or the cl?
07:22<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, using the GUI
07:22<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: 'cos useradd does not *need* a password
07:23<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: ah - ok - work at it ;)
07:23<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, yeah I know. I just removed the passwd after the gui was done.
07:24<MNZ>Now the persistence thing, any ideas? Problem with the cron job is it won't be immediate, I want the files to be reset as soon as guest logs off
07:25<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: not something I've tinkered with, but I should - given my family's inclination to all logon using each others usernames
07:25*Rex has now switched from ubuntu to debian
07:25<locklace>!congratulate Rex
07:25<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Rex, you did it!
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07:27<Rex>if i want to use webmin, should i not have installed apache and stuff?
07:28<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: webmin is not the best idea imho - lots of security issues - it does a lot of things as root
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07:28<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: why are you considering webmin - what do you want it to do?a
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07:29<Rex>how do i configure dns? i want to setup this box as a web host
07:29<Rex>i have used xampp before
07:29<jpinx-eeepc>rex which dns - bind9 ?
07:30<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: I have apache and bind9 running and do it from the commandline - it's not hard
07:30<Rex>how can i tell which one i have installed? smbind??
07:30<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: dpkg -l | grep dns
07:31<Rex>is that an l or and i
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07:33<dpkg>hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
07:33<jpinx-eeepc>small L
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07:33<Rex>(sry) i got it. lol
07:33<jpinx-eeepc>locklace: yea - I warned him ;)
07:33<peej>I'm wondering if there is an agreed on definition of "the debian way" ( To me it means something like: elegance, simplicity, power, maintainability. Maybe need a tags cloud for that.
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07:35<Rex>jpinx-eeepc, i don't know what to do next :/ how do i add a dns entry? how can i see that its running
07:35<peej>the older webmins were horrible. The later webmins seem well-integrated. At least on red**t and cen**s
07:35<locklace>peej: it also involves duct tape, vaseline and skeletor action figures
07:35<MNZ>I just happen to be setting up webmin on a debian webhost...... I've been hired by this guy who's all about 'corporate' crap (ie, centos + cpanel on everything he has) and webmin is CLEARLY a step up (or several steps up) from cpanel at least
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07:37<peej>cpanel.... uhhuhuh...
07:37<snamus>does anyone here use squeeze yet?
07:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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07:38<MNZ>You really can't expect someone who needs his clicky-clicky gui to go from cpanel to bash. I personally use the command line, but my employer (and his clients!) need webmin
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07:38<snamus>arent surveys allowed here?
07:38<peej>cpanel is more evil than a really evil thing.
07:38<dagmar>tried an apt-get install ftpd, and installed a chroot jail. client does not show files.
07:38<dagmar>anybody know why
07:38<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: I wrote my own php webface for bind and apache - it was fairly easy to do and much more secure
07:39<peej>zillions of security vulnerabilities on cpanel. Pathetic.
07:39<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: please do not pm me
07:39<Rex>oh sorry!
07:39<peej>MNZ, is it a whole load of things that need to be gui, or just a few?
07:40<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: you will get more help here from other guys
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07:40<peej>the idea being maybe you could just build a custom cgi with bash and sudo so he gets his clicky buttons.
07:40<MNZ>peej, clients expect a fancy point and click interface to upload files, check out website stats, bandwidth usage, and all the other webhost drama.
07:40<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: what are you running and what do you want it to do?
07:41<peej>MNZ, ok, so you need something proper
07:41<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: that is easy with something you can build in php and using webalyzer or similar
07:44<MNZ>but what about adding new websites? I would have to write a script to parse and edit the apache config (and nginx too), and bind9, and set up virtual ftp hosts (proftpd) and what not. I just chose the easy way out, webmin.
07:44<peej>jpinx-eeepc, depends on what "all the other webhost drama" means actually.
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07:45<jpinx-eeepc>peej: in my experience most clients want to click to creat subdomains, load files to that and look at them. All else is stats presented by webalizer
07:46<jpinx-eeepc>peej the "drama" comes with admin-ing email - which I just don't do - I have it all on google
07:46<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, those are the clients, yes. But the employer wants to be able to add new clients with just a few clicks of the mouse.
07:47<Rex>i installed debian 5.03, i checked web server, mail server, etc during setup. i am not sure what all that means it installed, i know i have apache. i want to run dns and host multiple domains from this ip
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07:47<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: what do clients get to do? Add websites, add new domains or just add subdomains?
07:47<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: rtfm - and google some of the millions of how-tos
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07:48<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: is this a commercial server or just for fun?
07:49<MNZ>jpinx-eeepc, clients are domain owners, they should be able to add subdomains (upto a set maximum) and create/delete ftp and email users (also upto set maximums).
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07:49<Rex>i am a web developer, i have used hostgator with cpanel for a while but i need to migrate away from them very soon. i have been using ubuntu for 3 years but i just switched to debian last night cause i wanted to setup webmin maybe
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07:51<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: how did you admin it in ubuntu?
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07:52<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: email is a real pita - I just don't do it - I use gmails excellent service for all my domains emails with multiple users
07:52<Rex>my existing paid webhost provides cpanel. i played around with xampp and webmin in ubuntu on my home desktop but now i am trying to turn it into a web server
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07:52<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: sub-domains are relatively easy, new domains might need you to intervene
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07:52<MayaT>hey, lets talk about Debian
07:53<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: pm?
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07:53<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: point taken ;)
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07:53<jpinx-eeepc>MNZ: pm?
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07:53<MayaT>where i can getting Debian?
07:54<MayaT>free or not
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07:55<petemc>go read
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07:59<MayaT>what is the latest release Debian
07:59<Kvant>lenny, 5.0.3
08:00<MayaT>how to istall it
08:00<petemc>follow the install guide, its on debian.orgh
08:02<MNZ>petemc, I'm pretty sure he/she does not do sed.......
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08:05<MayaT>sorry, its debian look like windows?
08:05<MayaT>i want to learn
08:05<dr|z3d>MayaT: You can have Debian look somewhat like Windows, sure.. look to themes and so forth.
08:06<MayaT>about my english
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08:07<jpinx-eeepc>Rex: message me..
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08:14<MayaT>how to create my own shell for free?
08:15<dr|z3d>MayaT: Open a terminal. One free shell.
08:15<MayaT>actully i'm looking psybnc for free but i didn't have shell account
08:15<dr|z3d>Or google for free shell accounts.
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08:19<locklace>!lart MayaT
08:19*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u MayaT'
08:19<MayaT>can i do by my self in debian
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08:21<MayaT>tired of searching
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08:22<dr|z3d>MayaT: You might also ask a friend with a co-located server to offer you a shell.
08:22<MayaT>read, read n read.. but i cant understand . :)
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08:23<dr|z3d>MayaT: What's your native language?
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08:23<MayaT>how about u dr|z3d. give me free shell :)
08:24*MayaT from Malaysia
08:24<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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08:25<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: there's lots of places you can get a free shell
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08:27<MayaT>jump from 1 server to another server. asking for the same question. :(
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08:28<MayaT>i am idiot rite? hahaha........ emmm..???? :(
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08:29<petemc>MayaT: install debian, play around with it, there will be plenty of time to ask questions later
08:29<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: what are you running now?
08:30<MayaT>petemc: ok
08:30<bremner>hey all. I have apache2 serving a directory by webdav. Now I want to add files to that directory via scp as a normal user. Is making the directory group writable problematic somehow? (and owned by some group other than www-data)
08:30<dpkg>Look, it's not "my Windows", "my Debian", "my ncurses", or "my <whatever else>"; It's Windows, Debian, ncurses, and <whatever else>. The only time this doesn't apply is when you are maintaining your own source tree of whatever you're talking about, which you almost certainly aren't.
08:30<dr|z3d>Hmm. Fail.
08:30<MayaT>i hope u all here can guide me after i install Debian
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08:31<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: what are you running now?
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08:31<MayaT>jpinx-eeepc: windows xp
08:31<omg_onoez>I need to change the order of loading mac80211, cfg80211, ecb, arc4 modules and then load a module(s) for my wireless adapter, how can i do that?
08:31<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: install vbox and run debian in it
08:31<omg_onoez>i'm tired of doing it manually
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08:32<MayaT>what vbox? where can i find it
08:32<omg_onoez>MayaT, virtualbox, google it
08:32<dpkg>rumour has it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available for Lenny and as a backport for Etch. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install etch> or <vbox-install squeeze>. #vbox on See also <virtualization>.
08:32<jpinx-eeepc>MayaT: ^^
08:33<MayaT>patiance is a gold :)
08:33<petemc>ability to use a search engine platinum
08:33<MayaT>okey omg_onoez
08:34<MayaT>****away******** (google)
08:34<jpinx-eeepc>!tell MayaT about virtualbox
08:36<omg_onoez>argh, can't find a sertain way to change the order of loading modules on boot... any tips? )
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08:37<Titan8990>omg_onoez, what is it going to accomplish? maybe there is another way
08:37<peej> MayaT , if you just want a shell (no windows gui etc) you can go to
08:39<omg_onoez>Titan8990, i'm pretty sure, that there is no another way, i need mac80211, cfg80211, ecb, arc4 modules load exactly in this order and then load module for my wlan adapter so it could work properly, tired of doing it manually. Thats, the proble, sry for my english =)
08:39<peej>how do I clone an instance in virtualbox (hosted on lenny) ? Is it really horribly complicated?
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08:40<jm_>omg_onoez: man modules
08:40<Titan8990>!debian clone
08:40<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
08:40<jpinx-eeepc>peej: dd ?
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08:44<peej>Titan8990, for virtualbox. There are vdi files, but in lenny there is no simple "clone" option that brainlessly lets you make a copy. I think there is in later virtualboxes (lenny runs virtualbox-gui 1.6.6)
08:45<Titan8990>peej, just copy the vdi?
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08:50<robind>hello. I am trying to export a local window (already opened) to a remote host (a "thin client"). Is that feasible? thanks.
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08:51<jm_>robind: not in general, xmove would help
08:52<Furtano>apple @ campus everywhere here i could go berserk
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08:53<peej>I get whiny messages complaining about uuid if I just copy the vdi. Something like "image doesn't match UUID in registry".
08:54<Furtano>bcaus what would you say about microsoft @ campus
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08:55<themill>Furtano: we're only really interested in Debian here. Try #debian-offtopic to see if anyone is interested there.
08:55<MayaT>choose which one * VirtualBox 3.0.12 for Windows hosts x86/amd64 * VirtualBox 3.0.12 for OS X hosts Intel Macs * VirtualBox 3.0.12 for Linux hosts * VirtualBox 3.0.12 for Solaris and OpenSolaris hosts x86/amd64
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08:57<peej>I need to figure out how to change the uuid in the .vdi, but it isn't text.
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08:57<Furtano>themill, ok thanks
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08:58<Furtano>but i have another problem =)
08:58<Furtano>ubuntu1 not working, got .u1conflict files
08:59<Furtano>my homework was there but it isnt in the folder
08:59<robind>jm_ : alternatively, is there a sort of VNC server that can export the current display? such as "webex".
08:59<jm_>robind: yeah x11vnc
08:59<robind>jm_ : thanks, i will have a look
09:01<jm_>robind: np
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09:05<Furtano>my ubuntuone does'nt synchronise but its connected
09:05<LittleHelpSkype>does someone know how can I setting skype's audio? (not microphone, but sounds)
09:05<locklace>!tell Furtano about ubuntu
09:06<LittleHelpSkype>in my skype's menu there isn't the configuration but the window one
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09:07<Furtano>oh :)
09:11<peej>ah...there is a vboxmanage tool to handle uuid etc. Learn something new every day.
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09:38<mrXX>guys, has anyone worked with pommo? i need some basic idea help
09:41<omg_onoez>Ñan't find a sertain way to change the order of loading modules on boot... any tips? )
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09:42<noflash>what's a pommo ?
09:42<MayaT>peej: are u still there
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09:43<omg_onoez>may be i should include those few modules, that i want to loat in desired order, to /etc/initramfstools.d/modules ?
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09:45<jm_>omg_onoez: do any get loaded at all?
09:45<omg_onoez>jm_, i am just tired to unload and load them manially
09:46<jm_>omg_onoez: that doesn't answer my question
09:46<noflash>he's working both networks
09:46<omg_onoez>jm_, sorry for my english, do you wanna if they are loaded after boot?
09:47<jm_>omg_onoez: yes, if none are loaded the nyou can use /etc/modules, otherwise it's probably best to load them from initr*
09:47<themill>omg_onoez: ask in once place at a time -- it's a bit annoying for people to be chasing around after you both here and on freenode.
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09:49<MayaT>this server allowed using 'tor' or not?
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09:49<petemc>it is
09:49<omg_onoez>jm_, no, the probplem is sthat they are loaded, but not in desired order, so the module for wlan adapter works fine only if ecb and arc4 modules are loaded after mac80211 and before rt800pci module for my wireless
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09:49<omg_onoez>themill, sorry for that
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09:50<jm_>omg_onoez: so use initr* modules file
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09:50<Andu>can you help me pls ?
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09:51<Andu>I have a debian server with arcemu on it
09:51<Andu>and I need to run 2 scripts
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09:51<omg_onoez>jm_, i am going to include this modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run initramfs-update -k all -u
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09:52<Andu>and I don't know how to recall those 2 scripts if my session is terminated
09:52<Andu>can you please tell me how can I make this ?
09:53<omg_onoez>use creen
09:53<Andu>I will install it
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09:53<Andu>but after the session is terminated how can I return to that running script ?
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09:53<omg_onoez>And1, just refer to the man of screen
09:54<omg_onoez>Andu, just refer to the man of screen
09:54<omg_onoez>And1, sorry
09:54<And1>Never mind. ;)
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10:00*MayaT hello :)
10:01<Graveworm>HI! A friend of mine asked me if it is possible to allow certain users on a samba server to create files, edit them but not to delete them. The only way I know is to use acls -although I'm limited to r-w-x, so it doesn't meet the requirements- and maybe use the sticky bit on a directory. But that's not very comfortable. Are there any extensions to acl or something? What I think about is something that extends the acls to something l
10:01<Graveworm>ike the rights management in Windows 2000/XP.
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10:04<MayaT>can i register my nick in this server? i like this server. hahaha :)
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10:07<Titan8990>Graveworm, UNIX permissions are different than the permissions used by samba
10:07<Titan8990>Graveworm, and what you are thinking about is not ACLs, they are UNIX permissions
10:08<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: , . Backported Samba 3.4.2 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>. #samba on See also <swat>.
10:08<mrXX>anyone pommo man here or mysql?
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10:09<Graveworm>Titan8990: Yes, ok. I know. But with samba I can't set anything that isn't covered by the permissions on filesystem side.
10:09<Titan8990>Graveworm, thats not true at all
10:09<Titan8990>Graveworm, if you looking for a GUI or easy to use interface that doesn't require to RTFM, look into SWAT
10:10<Graveworm>Hm? If I set write permission on samba but not on the filesystem, I can't write to that file?
10:10<Titan8990>Graveworm, you set it in the samba configuration file
10:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics, or <Samba> Web Administration Tool: 'aptitude install swat', enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary and 'invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart', then point your web browser at http://localhost:901/
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10:12<Graveworm>That's what I mean. I allow the writing in samba.conf but my acl "says" that writing is not permitted so I can't write to that fileß
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10:13<Titan8990>Graveworm, I don't use samba, I am just trying to point you in the right direction
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10:16<Graveworm>Titan8990: Ok. But I don't get you. I'm running a server with samba and there I can set the write permission for users, groups and others. But if the acls are set to deny the writing then I can't do it.
10:17<Graveworm>Ah, sry, I mean I can set the permissions in samba.conf.
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10:17<mrXX>any mysql guy? is view possible in mysql with phpmyadmin
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10:18<Graveworm>I mean writing is then denied regardless of the settings in samba.conf.
10:19<Titan8990>are you restarting samba after changing the configuration?
10:19<Graveworm>Yes, I need to.
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10:20<Titan8990>Graveworm, does the sambashare group have permission to write to the directory?
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10:21<bgat>can anyone point me to a debian-supported firewall/network/whatever utility that's similar to smoothwall?
10:22<bgat>in particular the web-based management interface?
10:22<dpkg>The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. #shorewall on
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10:23<Graveworm>Titan8990: Yes. I set up a group in samba that has the permissions to write to a file or directory. But if this group isn't set in the acl settings, then the user of that group can't write to that file or directory.
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10:23<Titan8990>Graveworm, no... not talking about samba
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10:23<Titan8990>Graveworm, does the UNIX group sambashare have UNIX permissions to write to the directory in question?
10:24<bgat>Titan8990: yes, but it has to have a point-and-grunt interface so that my wife can turn on/off internet access when the kids are supposed to be doing their homework. :)
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10:25<Titan8990>bgat, you could just disable the network interface for that
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10:25<Titan8990>bgat, echo -e '#!/bin/bash\nifdown eth0' >
10:25<Graveworm>bgat: Consider to just cut the cable ;).
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10:26<bgat>Titan8990, Graveworm : long story, ending with "I want a web interface!" :)
10:26<bgat>(her words, not mine)
10:26<Titan8990>Graveworm, I recommend moving over to #samba on
10:26<Graveworm>bgat: Hehe :).
10:26<hingwah>is there any tools to convert an i386 deb e.g. foo to an amd64 deb ia32-foo ?
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10:26<bgat>either that, or she's gonna go get a Windows 7 machine because she "knows how to work them"
10:26<Titan8990>bgat, good luck
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10:26*bgat sigs
10:26*bgat sighs
10:27<Titan8990>bgat, windows 7 has a web interface for configuring the firewall?
10:27<Graveworm>Titan8990: Hm... Ok. I'll ask them. Thanks for help anyway.
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10:27<bgat>no, but she can go spend even more $$ for something like Norton Internet Protection
10:27<bgat>... which isn't web-based, but close enough
10:27<themill>bgat: how about a web interface that has two buttons: "on" and "off"... that's doable...
10:28<bgat>smoothwall looks perfect, but the machine I want to install it on has a RAID controller (cpqarray), and smoothwall's ISOs don't suport that--- and their build environment is so fscked that it's a major pain in the ass to even move them to a modern kernel...
10:29<bgat>themill: agreed, but then when you pile on dansguardian et. al it starts to get really clunky in a hurry
10:29<bgat>because the next words I'll hear will be "well, how come it doesn't... "
10:30<bgat>c'mon, guys! I'll even buy a round for the whole place if there's someone in the room who can point me in the right direction :)
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10:35<jaimesilva>good morning. Can someone please point me to the kde specific channel?
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10:35<themill>jaimesilva: #debian-kde, perhaps? There's also #kde on
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10:36<Graveworm>bgat: Ok... That's surely the overkill for your needs but what about webmin?
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10:36<jaimesilva>I found it: debian-qt-kde, thanks
10:36<bgat>Graveworm: hmmm, I'd forgotten about that one...
10:37<bgat>Graveworm: there isn't a "webadmin" package with squeeze, is there?
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10:40<Graveworm>bgat: Öhh... I don't know. I'm running it on my server but it's lenny...
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10:41<hingwah>is there any way to find why a package is removed in the debian repository? can I check any orphan history of a package?
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10:42<Graveworm>bgat: It seems that webmin repos are only available for sarge.
10:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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10:42<bgat>well, that's encouraging!
10:43<EagleRock> informative bot with massive sarcasm
10:43<themill>hingwah: removal bugs are listed on the bts against the pseudo-package. can be useful too
10:44<MayaT>debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso 2.80GB.... waww!!!!!!
10:44<hingwah>themill, it report 404 not found, I'm searching for ia32-apt-get
10:44<MayaT>check my hd first :(
10:44<Graveworm>themill: Hmm.. ;). Ok. Sounds 'not so good'. But is there any compareable to webmin? Something that is that easy to use?
10:44<themill>hingwah: ahh... that was removed because it was causing more problems than it was causing.
10:45<themill>err... solving.
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10:47<hingwah>themill, is there any alternative to make i386 package installable on amd64 system?
10:47<hingwah>themill, do you know the corresponding thread in the mailing list?
10:50<themill>hingwah: there was an extensive and lively discussion about this on debian-devel over the course of a few weeks abut 3 or 4 months back. Multiarch stuff is still being worked on -- use a chroot for now for these things (e.g. see the schroot package)
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10:52<hingwah>themill, thanks
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10:59<T_X>hi there, I'm having some trouble getting uswsusp working on debian unstable
10:59<T_X>I always get the error: s2disk: Could not use the resume device (try swapon -a). Reason: Invalid argument
11:00<T_X>and yes, I tried swapon -a and also htop is reporting that 0/4789MB of swap are being used
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11:09<T_X>and I'm using a luks encrypted partition, does that make any difference? /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt
11:09<T_X>that's where the swap is on
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11:23<T_X>hmm, sounds pretty much like this one: I'm getting the same errors in dmesg. And I'm also using amd64 here
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11:31<SARC>Hello. I would like some clarification as to how the scheduler works when you give a particular core multiple threads.
11:31<SARC>I am trying to spawn multiple threads to a particular cpu core that is otherwise unutilized to perform a task.
11:32<SARC>When I watch the CPU usage on that core, it stays mostly at 0% but spikes at times to no more than 50% and it seems to take a long time for any of the tasks to complete.
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11:34<Titan8990>SARC, what scheduler?
11:34<SARC>The linux process scheduler
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11:35<dondelelcaro>SARC: processes run on an available core. most likely your problem is elsewhere.
11:36<Titan8990>SARC, the system calls?
11:37<dondelelcaro>SARC: without having first discarded blocking issues, and other issues with the 'tasks' that you're running, I wouldn't worry about the scheduler.
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11:39<SARC>Well i wrote a sample program which runs through the 16 available cores on my system. I spawn a thread that contains a loop that runs 1000 times and performs a simple division computation. So I loop through the cores and add a new thread with affinities to the cpu.
11:40<dondelelcaro>SARC: why are you using affinity?
11:40<SARC>for the threads
11:40<SARC>you use affinity to have the threads run on a particular core
11:40<valdyn>SARC: so how long is one thread running? doesnt seem like its running enough for "top" to even really notice
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11:41<SARC>valdyn: they are backing up
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11:41<dondelelcaro>why? you don't need it. also, a loop of 1000 times can't possibly run long enough to show up as major load on top or similar.
11:41<SARC>dondelelcaro: then why are the tasks backign up
11:41<valdyn>SARC: whats "backing up"
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11:42<SARC>the threads... they are just piling up instead of being executed
11:42<SARC>like you said they should be processed so fast that top doesnt notice so they shouldnt be backing up either
11:42<dondelelcaro>SARC: without knowing precisely what you're doing, I can't say. but you almost never want affinity anyway, so I'm not sure what the point is.
11:43<valdyn>SARC: a simple loop wouldnt be "backing up"
11:43<valdyn>SARC: maybe youre doing something youre not telling us
11:43<SARC>would you like to see the source code?
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11:43<dondelelcaro>SARC: didn't you say that the new threads are spawned after they loop 1000 times?
11:43<SARC>no i did not don
11:44<SARC>the spawned threads run a loop 1000 times
11:44<dondelelcaro>and then do what?
11:45<SARC>then they terminate
11:45<valdyn>with such a loop migrating to a new cpu might be more demanding than running the whole thread to the end
11:45<SARC>i realize that valdyn... this is a sample program
11:45<SARC>in my real program i am doing more than that
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11:46<dondelelcaro>I'm still not sure why you're using affinity in the first place. just start 16 threads or processes, and do your calculations.
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11:47<SARC>i am doing an indeterminate amount of calculations
11:47<SARC>not just 16
11:47<dondelelcaro>sure, but presumably you only want 16 concurrent threads.
11:47<SARC>that is best case scenario
11:48<koollman>SARC: it takes more time to setup a thread than to execute the loop. and there are no garantees on thread scheduling
11:48<SARC>so what is best a thread pool that only has 16 threads?
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11:48<SARC>and i perform my own scheduling based on the thread pool?
11:48<valdyn>SARC: what are you asking?
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11:49<dondelelcaro>I mean, the test code for this is as simple as for a in $(seq 1 16); do (yes >/dev/nill &); done;
11:49<valdyn>SARC: why do you think you can do scheduling remotely as good as the kernel?
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11:49<SARC>valdyn, well the kernel sucks at scheduling for my purpose. i have proven that with my program
11:49<valdyn>SARC: hardly
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11:50<dondelelcaro>anyway, best of luck.
11:50<valdyn>SARC: maybe you have proven that you dont know concurrent programming ;)
11:50<koollman>SARC: actually ... I would like to see your program
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11:51<SARC>valdyn :-)
11:51<SARC>koollman, thank you
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11:58<T_X>is anyone sucessfully using suspend2disk on a amd64 architecture here?
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12:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:07<Steffan>T_X: What is the problem?
12:08<T_X>s2disk of uswsusp does not work on my laptop, dmesg throws some errors
12:08<T_X>Steffan: are you aware of any problems with uswsusp? as far as I know using tuxonice is a bit more tricky as the kernel has to be recompiled, right?
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12:11<T_X>s2disk always says something like: "[ 2992.186712] ioctl32(s2disk:2682): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(400c330d){t:'3';sz:12} arg(ffc2714c) on /dev/snapshot
12:11<T_X>[ 2992.186719] ioctl32(s2disk:2682): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(4004330a){t:'3';sz:4} arg(0000fe01) on /dev/snapshot"
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12:29<francesco>how can i get info about migrating a debian installation root from a hd to another ?
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12:30<francesco>my situation is that: i move the partition from the hd a to hd b using gparted ( copy/paste ) and changed the grub entry but i have problem on boot
12:30<francesco>now i changed fstab ... and try it again
12:31<sepski>francesco, you tr yto boot on only hd b now ?
12:31<sepski>did you recreate the grub mbr ?
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12:32<francesco>the hd b is the second partition of the hd on a new pc ... on the 1° partion i have a 64 debian and i had modified grub.cfg entry on it for second partion
12:33<Titan8990>you don't modify grub.cfg
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12:33<Titan8990>you CAN but those settings will not stay
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12:33<dpkg>[grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). Command list comparison: . See also and <grub2 squeeze>. #grub on
12:33<francesco>yes i did it on /etc/grub.d/40-custom....
12:33<francesco>grub works well
12:33<francesco>it is the kernel that doesn't boot up
12:34<Titan8990>what is the error?
12:34<francesco>it stop after 1° line of kernel boot
12:34<Stemby>Hi, where can I obtain the previous weekly-build image of Squeeze?
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12:34<francesco>i don't remember exactly ... if i 'll be there i can try it again
12:35<Titan8990>Stemby, they don't make weekly builds, install lenny then upgrading to squeeze is recommended.... if you must have a non-stable debian install
12:35<Stemby>No, I can't
12:35<francesco>i u'll be there in 5 minute i will try again ... i modified also fstab and i want to try it again
12:35<Stemby>I need the image of the last week
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12:36<Stemby>In this week there is a bug in a package, but I don't know what
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12:36<Stemby>The previous image can help me
12:36<Stemby>(searching the upgrades)
12:37<francesco>ok i'll be back in 5 min
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12:40<Titan8990>Stemby, lol good luck with that
12:40<Titan8990>my recommendation is to not use testing or unstable
12:40<Titan8990>if stability matters to you at all
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12:42<Stemby>Titan8990, thanks :-)
12:44<Titan8990>Stemby, and you actually the 3 person this week to ask about squeeze weekly builds
12:44<Titan8990>I am not sure what the deal is with them
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12:48<EagleRock>Titan8990: depends on the person I guess...I use testing for a lot of my installs and never have issues
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12:49<Titan8990>EagleRock, I hear the same crap from ubuntu users
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12:50<Titan8990>because an individual does not have problems does not mean the distro/branch itself does not have a long listed of bad, unfixed bugs
12:50<EagleRock>Titan8990: this is true, but if you're willing to accept the risk of said bugs, there's nothing wrong with installing it
12:50<SARC>Amen Titan
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12:51<EagleRock>this is also a good reason to install apt-listbugs if you run testing
12:51<Titan8990>EagleRock, yes, I am not willing to accept those risks at all.... all for new package versions that I don't need, on anything other than a play-computer
12:52<EagleRock>Titan8990: and that'd be a damn good reason to install stable :-)
12:52<Titan8990>yes, and it was.... I also rarely use backports, the only one being emacs23
12:52<EagleRock>I do agree that stable should be a default install for someone though, not testing
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12:53<Titan8990>testing is also not supported like lenny is
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12:53<Stemby>Who is the weekly builds person in charge? I'd like to contact him
12:53<Titan8990>myself and many of the other supporters on the freenode channel often think "ugghh" when people come in with squeeze problems and have no clue on have to go about solving them or bug reporting problems themselves
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12:54<EagleRock>don't say I blame you
12:54<Titan8990>Stemby, Debian CD team <>
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12:55<Titan8990>Stemby, subscribe to the mailing list, send out what you need
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12:56<francesco>ok i back
12:57<Stemby>Titan8990, thank you
12:57<Titan8990>francesco, kernel panic?
12:57<francesco>i'm in panic
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12:58<francesco>kernel doesn't start
12:58<francesco>the grub stop on "loading wating ..."
12:58<francesco>and then hang
12:58<Titan8990>francesco, remove "quiet" from the boot arguement before booting
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12:59<francesco>ok i try again te ge razon
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13:03<francesco>i forgot update-grub
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13:06<francesco>ok i'm back
13:06<francesco>the kernel start
13:06<francesco>but it stop saying "waiting for root file sistem ..."
13:06<Titan8990>is your root= line correct?
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13:08<francesco>yes i check the uuid code and it is right
13:08<francesco> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-1-amd64 root=UUID=cd7b2496-7455-4b08-ac80-297fcea4f0ba ro
13:09<Titan8990>francesco, well your basically looking at two things: incorrect / entry in /etc/fstab or incorrect root=
13:09<Titan8990>change it to the device name just to be less confusing
13:10<francesco>ok how to change it ?
13:10<francesco>(hd0,2 )
13:10<francesco>that is the partition
13:10<Titan8990>hd0,2 is /dev/sda3
13:11<francesco>are u sure
13:11<Titan8990>im sure, are you sure?
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13:12<francesco>i ask that cause my first partion is linked on grub as hd0,1,
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13:12<francesco>ok i try that
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13:13<Titan8990>francesco, the root (hdx,x) should point to your boot partition, it may or may not be the same as the root partition
13:14<francesco>now it is clear
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13:16<Titan8990>lame.... he got it working and left immediately?
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13:18<ridethefire122>question about rsync: I'm having problems logging into a remote server via one username. However, I am able to use rsync via another user on the same box
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13:18<ridethefire122>this is the error I get: Permission denied, please try again.
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13:18<francesco>ok same beaviour
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13:18<Titan8990>ridethefire122, does the user have permission to read the files your trying to rsync
13:19<ridethefire122>i believe so
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13:19<francesco>(hd0,1) doesn't change the result ... so i should thing root= is the problem
13:19<francesco>but by uuid seam good
13:19<Titan8990>francesco, I never meant for you to change the root (hd0,0)
13:19<Titan8990>francesco, you never would have got as far as you did otherwise
13:19<francesco>i changed it from (hd0,2) to (hd0,1)
13:19<ridethefire122>yeah that user does
13:20<Titan8990>francesco, I just meant to change root=UUID to root=/dev/sdxx
13:20<Titan8990>ridethefire122, can you plain ssh into the box as that user?
13:20<ridethefire122>I am ssh'd in now
13:20<ridethefire122>drwxr-sr-x are the permissions on the directory I'd like to rsync
13:22<Titan8990>you know setuid on a directory is ignored?
13:22<francesco>Titan8990: should i change also that line ? search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set cd7b2496-7455-4b08-ac80-297fcea4f0ba
13:22<francesco>with /dev/sda2
13:22<Titan8990>francesco, wait.. are we talking grub2 here?
13:22<ridethefire122>I didn't but it shouldn't be a problem then, right?
13:23<Titan8990>francesco, I recommend you move over to #debian on
13:23<francesco>fai caaa
13:23<Titan8990>ridethefire122, no
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13:25<ridethefire122>Titan8990: this makes my brain hurt
13:25<francesco>i think we are near the solution
13:25<Titan8990>well, I have tons of experience troubleshooting boot problems with linux
13:26<Titan8990>but none with grub2
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13:27<francesco>no problem ... if u have time to help me u can get a new experince on it
13:28<Titan8990>francesco, actually, I just clocked back from lunch as well, but I will keep an eye on your problem
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13:29<ridethefire122>no thoughts on why rsync isnt working, huh?
13:29<Titan8990>ridethefire122, not really, they are both regular users?
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13:29<francesco>thanks anyway if u see me here later it means i look for answer to it ...
13:29<ridethefire122>one is a regular user, and the other is a root user
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13:35<bighornram>I'm suspecting psi is having errors in character code useage. what is a safe locale to use to test this?
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13:37<francesco>Titan : i change root=/dev/sda2 but the same it hang on "Waiting for root filesystem ... !
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13:40<guillaume>Hi :) I have a problem of stability of my wifi link when I boot debian all is right but after a long time of connection I get strange output in messages log and can't reconnect without booting again :
13:40<petemc>bighornram: c ?
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13:41<bighornram>petemc: locale -a returns C, en_US.utf8, POSIX
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13:42<bighornram>locale lists en_US.UTF-8 for all with nothing in LC_ALL=
13:43<Titan8990>guillaume, using network manager?
13:43<guillaume>Titan8990, wpasupplicant in roaming mode
13:43<Titan8990>francesco, did you ever double check /etc/fstab?
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13:43<Titan8990>guillaume, from the command line or via the network-manager gui?
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13:44<guillaume>Titan8990, from the command line prompt
13:46<guillaume>Titan8990, I have also the wpa_gui installed but I write conf file with vi
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13:50<guillaume>Titan8990, Stoping wpasupplicant and after that networking ressources doesn't allow after starting them again to obtain stability in netdev_up state for the wlan card
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14:02<Rex>how come my static ip settings wont take? i'm manually setting my ip but then it still gets a dhcp address from the router?
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14:04<EagleRock>Rex: how are you entering your static IP settings? using the interfaces file, or something like network-manager?
14:05<Rex>the network manager under System > Administration > Netowkr
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14:07<omg_onoez>it's not a debian related question, but i wonder if there any project, that aimed on linux installation at gps navigators, that are shipped with winows? =)
14:07<And1>Is there a way how I can use "$HOME/" in my .Xdefaults?
14:08<rjent>Greetings, is there a boot param to make usb devices operate as legacy and not 2.0?
14:09<Rex>EagleRock: i also tried running from terminal as su and no luck. after i change the settings the network disconnects / reconnects but still gets the dhcp address. if i close / reopen network-admin the settings do not stick
14:09<EagleRock>Rex: is the "controlled by network manager" button selected in that manager?
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14:12<Rex>EagleRock: I don't see that. Im using debian 5.03 gnome. The command to launch my 'Network Settings' is "gksu network-admin"
14:13<EagleRock>Rex: unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with handling IP configurations with the GUI tool and I don't have a debian machine I can play with in front of me
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14:15<EagleRock>are you sure you're entering the static IP settings under the correct network card?
14:16<zulu42>hi, I have a BIG pb: I removed my linux-image package (I know big mistake here), and now I can't reinstall it because of unmet dependancies on initramfs-tools (supposed to be replaced by udev package but uninstalable too)... is there something I can do?
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14:16<zulu42>I supose next reboot, I'm dead...
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14:19<Rex>EagleRock: how would you assign / / to etc0 via command line
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14:20<EagleRock>you'd use /etc/network/interfaces
14:20<EagleRock>and use ifup/ifdown to manage
14:20<EagleRock>!tell Rex about interfaces
14:22<dr|z3d>pump is also helpful, if you wish to install it, Rex.
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14:25<Rex>/etc/network/interfaces ifup -a
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14:25<Yoda-BZH>/etc/network/interfaces is a file that you have to edit
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14:26<Rex>haha oh duh me
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14:45<magyar_>hi, i'm seeing a lot of errors in apache2 error log where people are trying to scan the server for different service directories. Is there a way to block this?
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14:49<valdyn>magyar_: no
14:49<Titan8990>magyar_, thank w3af and nessus
14:49<Titan8990>and BEEF.... and... BEEF+autopwn
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14:50<valdyn>and millions of zombie pcs
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14:50<dr|z3d>magyar_: Plenty of ways.
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14:51<dr|z3d>magyar_: The easiest is simply a redirect to another resource.
14:51<valdyn>magyar_: you can restrict this a little, but since most of this crap comes from dynamic ips from home computers theres not much point
14:51<valdyn>magyar_: as you probably *want* people to be able to access your site regularily
14:51<dr|z3d>You won't stop the scans, but you will frustrate the scanners and take back control.
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14:52<dr|z3d>For extra points, redirect to a domain concerned with targetting malware or someshuch.
14:52<magyar_>valdyn, wel, I just one to block IP's that scan for directories, the same way denyhosts for ssh
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14:53<dr|z3d>Blocking IP's is really the least effective way to go, and the most time consuming.
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14:55<dr|z3d>magyar_: If you can run snort on the network and point it at webserver traffic, you'll get a quicker idea of what urls you need to redirect.
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14:56<Titan8990>errm ../../../../../../etc/passwd
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15:02<Titan8990>bonus points if someone knows which web application will actually allow you to view /etc/passwd in that manor
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15:03<dr|z3d>Let me guess. webmin?
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15:05<Titan8990>teamspeak's web administration
15:05<KDE4000>ew @ teamspeak
15:05<Titan8990>and its a vuln that will stay there forever because the version was abandoned to develop version 2
15:05<Titan8990>similar to the bitchx situation
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15:07<Ignaz>hi, Debian
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15:16<magyar_>dr|z3d, thanks
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15:23<EagleRock>here's a question about installing debian on an acer aspire one:
15:23<EagleRock>I've been trying to get this thing installed but neither network card has worked on stable, testing, or even kmoto's build
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15:24<EagleRock>it sees the wireless card and gives me an opportunity to configure it, but it can never get a DHCP lease and even if a manual configure won't get me onto the network
15:24<bomber>hi somebody can help biulg a web crawler in perl
15:24<dr|z3d>EagleRock: You'll want to grab a custom kernel.
15:24<EagleRock>does anyone have experience configuring wireless in the debian installer? is there some dumb trick I just am overlooking?
15:25<TCW>EagleRock, what chip does the wlan card use?
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15:28<EagleRock>TCW: the wireless card is the Atheros AR242x
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15:28<TCW>EagleRock, is it supported 100% with the Debian kernsl?
15:28<EagleRock>which I believe is supposed to use the ath5k module
15:28<Titan8990>yes, it should
15:29<TCW>EagleRock, what about a live Linux distro?
15:29<Titan8990>EagleRock, if ath5k is not working properly, blacklist it and try madwifi-ng
15:29<EagleRock>TCW: I believe that it is supported as of 2.6.28
15:30<EagleRock>it works on (sigh) ubuntu, so it does work in linux
15:30<Titan8990>ath5k is in lenny's .26 kernel
15:31<EagleRock>yeah, it's recognized by all of the installers but I can never connect to anything
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15:31<Titan8990>EagleRock, can you scan?
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15:31<EagleRock>Titan8990: not in the installer finds nothing
15:32<EagleRock>let me scan on the command line, hold on
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15:33<EagleRock>ok, it finds ESSID's using iwscan, so apparently the installer is just not connecting properly
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15:35<EagleRock>hmm...same issue I get int the sees the network but I can never get a DHCP lease
15:35<EagleRock>and I've tried this on multiple networks
15:36<francesco>titan8990: i was at dinner :)
15:37<francesco>titan8990: i checked fstab
15:37<Titan8990>any luck?
15:37<francesco>it still stop there as before
15:38<francesco>i also asked on freenode ...
15:38<francesco>but nobody tell me nothing
15:39<jrabbit>gah building chrome os on debian is fool hardy
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15:39<jrabbit>it uses ubuntu packages even if you're on debian
15:39<francesco>building chome is hard
15:39<francesco>to many lib
15:39<jrabbit>chrome != chrome os
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15:40<francesco>but there are the daily build of chromium
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15:40<Titan8990>i just use the proprietary chrome binary
15:40<francesco>chrome os is still in develop as i know
15:40<Titan8990>they have a debian rempo for it
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15:40<jrabbit>francesco: ;_;
15:40<jrabbit>someone hasn't been following the news
15:41<francesco>it is out ?
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15:41<Titan8990> stable/main Packages
15:42<Titan8990>francesco, check slashdot, article was put up about an hour ago
15:42<francesco>hehe so i'm forgive for my mistake =
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15:43<Titan8990>francesco, didn't say that hehe
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15:45<francesco>ok ... that is good news ... but i'm still in truble with debian so i think i'll wait 4 chrome
15:46<francesco>the only good motivation that attract me to chrome os is the new wind it could give to the lininux world
15:46<francesco>google is a big partener for linux
15:47<jrabbit>doesn't compete with debian at all
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15:47<Lethalman>francesco, new wind? google always copy and creates, but never helps
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15:49<glock>hello, just re-install Debian testing, i cant find Xorg.conf under \etc\X11 ... where is it in the newer version fof debian ?
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15:50<glock>cahoot, yes, i want to edit this file
15:50<cahoot>and you probably mean /etc/X11
15:50<glock>of course
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15:50<valdyn>glock: run "X -configure" to get one
15:50<cahoot>if not there you have to create it
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15:51<glock>valdyn, cahoot, ok , i will, thank u both :)
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15:53<Lethalman>glock, do you really need it?
15:54<francesco>lethalman: yes new wind
15:54<Lethalman>francesco, google brings _nothing_, only propaganda for itself
15:54*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
15:54<francesco>lethalman: cause everybody know google but they didn't know linux or just know it as "ok linux that terrible things that make u a nerd"
15:55<Lethalman>or with android: linux is something not portable to all systems
15:55<francesco>lethalman: and now a lot know android and want it (and it is linux)
15:55<glock>Lethalman, all i want to do is to add a keyboard layout, if there is another way to do it please tell me .
15:55<Lethalman>android is hell
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15:56<francesco>lethalman: for sure u are right by your side ... but that is not in conflict with i what i said
15:56<Lethalman>glock, that's a good reason
15:56<themill>Lethalman, francesc: #debian-offtopic, please
15:56<francesco>uff :P
15:57<francesco>ok no flame the messagge it arrived
15:57<francesco>however i have a problem with debian and now it hell for me :)
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16:09<Y2k12>alguien habla español??
16:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:16<dpkg>< guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in
16:16<Titan8990>!annoy locklace
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16:17<locklace>!pie Titan8990
16:17*dpkg hits Titan8990 in the face with a cream pie
16:17<Titan8990>!gentoosmite locklace
16:17*dpkg spends 7 weeks recompiling locklace, and when it's all done, locklace runs no faster than previously
16:19<faheem>Titan8990: good one
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16:19<faheem>did you find this command somewhere?
16:20<themill>(it's been used on him a few times!)
16:20<Titan8990>lol yeah... thats how I found out about it
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16:27<retrospectacus>on a quad-core processor, the load average of 2 or 3 is OK, correct?
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16:32<EagleRock>So does anyone have any ideas about getting this wireless card to work on this debian install? I can set up iwconfig to the essid of my router, but still cannot get a connection here through DHCP...not sure how to do it manually without ifconfig either... :-/
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16:34<Titan8990>EagleRock, ifconfig wlan0
16:35<Titan8990>EagleRock, route add default gw
16:35<Titan8990>EagleRock, ifconfig example
16:35<EagleRock>Titan8990: I don't have ifconfig...I'm in the installer busybox
16:35<Titan8990>oh, you can't do crap from that, I have tried
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16:36<EagleRock>Titan8990: tell me about it...the only thing I have here is wireless-tools, which gave me the iw* commands
16:36<Titan8990>EagleRock, if you can get it to work with a livecd of some kind you could probably do a debootstrap install
16:36<Titan8990>!install guide
16:36<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
16:36<runev>you've got wpa_supplicant on the netinst disc aswell, so you can just go through with a very basic install and set that up afterwards
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16:41<EagleRock>hmm...I've never done a basic netinst install and tried to boot the system from there...I suppose that and tasksel should do the job
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16:45<EagleRock>ok guys, I'll try working with a base system install and booting from there...thx Titan and runev
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16:56<francesco>My situation is that: i move a partition ( copy/paste with gparted) from an hd (a) to another (b). (a) is mounted on my old pc. (b) is the asrock 330 ION 's hd :P . On the new pc i have a Debian 64bit on /dev/sda1 and on /dev/sda2 the clone of the old pc Debian root. When grub start (sda1) i select old kernel. Kernel starts but hang on "Waiting for root filesystem ..." Here grub.cfg (sda1) and the last kernel (line from
16:56<francesco>40_custom) is the old pc Debian box.
16:56<francesco>any hint ?
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16:58<Stemby>Is there someone who downloaded the first cd of Squeeze recently?
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17:03<Stemby>someone → anyone
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17:05<EagleRock>Stemby: not really...usually I install testing via netinst...why?
17:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:05<julio>Alguem do Brasil?
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17:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:07<EagleRock>locklace: do you have ESP or something? You gave him the link to debian-br before he spoke :-)
17:07<EagleRock>Stemby: ah, sorry, I can't help you there
17:07<locklace>he laughed in brazilian
17:08<EagleRock>locklace: aha...I wasn't aware brazilian had its own specific laugh
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17:09<themill>EagleRock: a hostname that ends in .br is often a giveaway too
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17:10<Jail>how's you going bro ?
17:11<Jail>something new ?
17:11<francesco_>someone is good with grub2 ?
17:11<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:11<locklace>!tell francesco_ about anyone
17:11<Jail>ubuntu 9.10 ?
17:11<locklace>!tell Jail about ubuntu
17:12<francesco_>!tell francesco_ about grub2
17:13<Jail>I'm learning
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17:13<francesco_>but someone with skin and blood
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17:13<locklace>!tell francesco_ about selftell
17:13<Jail>tell me you
17:13<Jail>about ubunut
17:13<Jail>sorry about ubuntu
17:14<jpinx-eeepc>Jail: in your irc do /msg dpkg ubuntu
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17:15<Jail>thank's bro
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17:16<Jail>about the LPI
17:16<Jail>someone ?
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17:17<francesco_>is that a place of pray ?
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17:17<francesco_>the silence suggest me meditation
17:18<dpkg>May the penguin be with you...
17:18<Jail>begin the pray
17:18<jpinx-eeepc>Jail: what is LPI
17:18<Jail>certification in Linux
17:19<Jail>Linux institute professional certification
17:19<francesco_>where is grub irc channel ? maybe dpkg know it ?
17:20<jpinx-eeepc>Jail: no idea - try #linux maybe?
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17:20<Jail>ok i try
17:20<jpinx-eeepc>francesco_: #grub
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17:20<sithlord48>can any one help me boot an install disk on my G3 (b&w ppc "newworld" mac) its a ppc disk and holding C is not working
17:21<francesco_>!tell francesco_ about grub
17:21<jpinx-eeepc>francesco_: #grub
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17:22<Jail>sithlord48 find in
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17:24<sithlord48>jail, google is not very helpful i have check there many times but everything i find related to after boot...
17:25<Jail>what you do ?
17:26<sithlord48>jail, i have booted holding C (normal for mac boot to cd) have booted in to the open firmware and tried to force the cd to boot , also tried to force boot yaboot as well as tried several diffrent disks (even other distros), no luck it boots my os 9 & X cd's no problem
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17:28<Jail>cd's no problem man you get a problem
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17:30<sithlord48>sure do.... idk why it boots the mac disks and not the linux ones..
17:31<Jail>I gues the hardware problem
17:31<sithlord48>do you know of a ppc irc channel? that i can try @?
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17:34<EagleRock>sithlord48: #debianppc maybe
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17:34<sithlord48>eaglerock, thanks
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17:35<Murgoth>Alguem pode me dar uma ajuda a configurar uma placa de rede secundaria ? Li varios artigos mas ainda não consegui fazer ela entrar na rede
17:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:36<Jail>Murgoth use #debian-br
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17:42<Jail>man I got a doubt
17:43<Jail>knowlegdment give money or luky give money ?
17:44<Stemby>Both, Jail
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17:45<Jail>I thinking the same
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17:47<francesco_>my boot fail on cant find /sbin/init
17:47<francesco_>what could be ?
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17:54<Jail>about the cisco , anyone ?
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17:55<Stemby>I need the Squeeze first cd. Anybody downloaded it last week?
17:56<rudi_s_>Stemby: Use stable and update to squeeze.
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17:58<Stemby>rudi_s_: I can't
17:58<Stemby>I need the old packages
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17:58<rudi_s_>Stemby: No idea, sorry.
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18:16<retrospectacus>I did "less *.txt" ...looking at the first file, how do I go to the next file?
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18:16<themill>retrospectacus: :n
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18:55<T_X>did the resume parameter stuff change on grub2?
18:56<T_X>I tried adding "resume=/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt" manually in grub2 right after the vmlinux thingy, but this parameter seems to be ignored
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19:52<coolworld>is there any additional programs i need to install to get sound to work in x11 or something in the kernel i need to set for it to work for my sound card.
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19:53<coolworld>tell me about sound issues
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20:08<andr0z>searching on the internet, i see that to dns servers can be entered in /etc/resolv.conf
20:08<andr0z>what is the proper syntax
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20:10<andr0z>i searched some more and found out
20:11<andr0z>what an ordeal
20:11<dr|z3d>andr0z: Welcome to Linux. And your previous OS was?
20:11*dr|z3d winks.
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20:16<andr0z>dr|z3d: im using debian lenny, thanks fellas
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20:21<dr|z3d>andr0z: You sound like you've come from Windows.. editing resolve.conf should be a walk in the park! :)
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20:23<eightyeight>dr|z3d: why does he sound like he came from windows?
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20:24<EagleRock>eightyeight: I guess dr|z3d assumes he didn't come from OS/2 :-)
20:24*dr|z3d refers eightyeight to andr0z's prior comments which indicate a certain aversion to editing conf files.
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20:25<eightyeight> guess i'm more curious why we assume he came from a non unix-like os, just because he didn't know where to find dns info
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20:26<jpinx-eeepc>andr0z: you've taken enough abuse ;) what is the problem you are having with debian?
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20:26<dr|z3d>Anyone familiar and comfortable with Linux doesn't generally find editing a conf file an "ordeal". :)
20:26<EagleRock>dr|z3d: ubuntu users? ;-)
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20:27<eightyeight>dr|z3d: it may have been the searching for his question that was the ordeal, not the editing of a conf file
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20:27*dr|z3d chuckles. "Those too!"
20:27<pythonic>hi, i'd like to analyze the mailing list archives. is there a tarball i can download? or mirrors?
20:27<jpinx-eeepc>ease up guys - let him ask and be helped
20:27*dr|z3d thinks this discussion is in serious danger of disappearing up its own fundament, not to mention the off-topicness of it all. And refrains from further comment therein.
20:28<jpinx-eeepc>dr|z3d: there's always #debian-offtopic ;)
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20:29<dr|z3d>jpinx-eeepc: Indeed. I find self-restraint works better for me. :)
20:29<jpinx-eeepc>pythonic: I don't know myself, but I'd start by looking in and in the wiki
20:29<EagleRock>pythonic: I'm assuming you mean the mailing lists at if that's the case, does the search tool help you in your analysis?
20:30<EagleRock>search tool:
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20:31<pythonic>EagleRock: no. it's social network analysis, i'd need the To, From, Subject, Date fields of each message
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20:32<pythonic>so seems a bit wasteful spidering :-(
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20:35<EagleRock>pythonic: I don't see anything like that really would allow you do just download a tarball of the whole thing
20:35<EagleRock>I see some usenet links tha tmight be of use:
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20:36<pythonic>EagleRock: oh, excellent, thanks :-)
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21:14<EagleRock>question: I'm still trying to get my acer aspire one working, and I got through a base netinstall
21:14<EagleRock>I'm trying to configure the wireless interface to connect to the Internet and connect to repos, but I can't seem to get this thing to come up
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21:15<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: the only thing that I had success with was wicd
21:15<EagleRock>I do an iwconfig to give wlan0 my essid, but when I try to do a iwlist scan, it only tells me the network is down
21:15<EagleRock>jpinx-eeepc: problem is I have no GUI either...I couldn't get on the Internet during the netinstall either
21:15<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: you don't have X yet?
21:15<gsimmons>EagleRock: Raise the interface (ifconfig wlan0 up) before executing iwlist.
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21:16<EagleRock>gsimmons: sigh, I knew I was missing somethign stupid. thanks
21:16<jpinx-eeepc>gsimmons: is it not just ifup wlan0 ?
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21:18<gsimmons>jpinx-eeepc: Only if it had been previously defined in /etc/network/interfaces.
21:18<jpinx-eeepc>gsimmons: cool - thanks for the tip :)
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21:31<andr0z>does anyone here have any experiece with qemu?
21:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
21:33<abrotman>andr0z: ask a better question
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21:34<andr0z>is qemu used to create virtual machines with full Operating systems installed, or can it be used somewhat like wine. What i want to do is run x86 starcraft on my ppc mac.
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21:36<abrotman>the former
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22:20<rex>Does anyone use Webmin & Virtualmin?
22:21<abrotman>webmin isn't in debian
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22:22<rex>do you know if there is a webmin irc? i couldn't find one. i am using the debian package of webmin and already installed and running
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22:42<andr0z>hello sortremord
22:42<sortremord>a bit silent here, eh?
22:42<sortremord>ah, does Debian 5.0.1 have 3G support?
22:42<sortremord>kernel 2.6.26
22:43<sortremord>I did all the updates I could have done during the installation
22:43<andr0z>3G support?
22:43<abrotman>depends on the device
22:43<sortremord>mobile broadband connexions
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22:43<sortremord>ah, I see
22:44<andr0z>what is a free fun multiplayer game for debain?
22:44<sortremord>Battle for Wesnoth
22:44<andr0z>what kind of games are those?
22:44<andr0z>rpg, strategy?
22:45<sortremord>Warsow and Sauerbraten are FPS
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22:45<sortremord>Battle for Wesnoth is a turn based strategy
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22:45<andr0z>ill look into those, thanks
22:45<sortremord>similar to Final Fantasy Tactics
22:45<sortremord>openarena, which is FPS as well
22:45<sortremord>you are welcome, mate
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23:07<sortremord>andr0z, do you like the games so far?
23:08<andr0z>sortremord: im installing openarena right now, tried installing warsow, but the package was not found
23:09<sortremord>andr0z, I think you can actually compile Warsow
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23:11<gsimmons>andr0z: The Warsow client and game data are in contrib and non-free respectively ; /msg dpkg non-free sources
23:12<sortremord>!non-free sources
23:12<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
23:12<sortremord>there you are
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23:13<andr0z>openarena runs very slow
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23:13<andr0z>how can i check what my video driver is?
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23:16<andr0z>it looks like i have a mobile radeon 7500 on my laptop, how can i check if opengl is enabled?
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