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01:30<SoloFlyer>Hey, Ive posted a bug report with a patch about 3 months ago, ive had no response, what should i do?
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01:31<snogglethorpe>SoloFlyer: i suppose you could send a followup to bug the maintainer
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01:32<SoloFlyer>snogglethorpe: that was previously suggested to me... and i did that about a month ago... still no response (its actualyl been about 4 months not 3)
01:33<snogglethorpe>I'm not sure the official way to identify a M-I-A maintainer; usually I just posted to debian-devel
01:33<snogglethorpe>and ask if anyone knows what's up...
01:33<snogglethorpe>sometimes people actually know
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01:34<SoloFlyer>snogglethorpe: no problem will do :)
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01:53<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to see what iceweasel is calling on? I have a desktop and a laptop, both amd64, and there is a web site with a flash chat on it. It works on my desktop but gets part way and stops on my laptop
01:54<EmleyMoor>(it does not give me any clues about what's missing either)
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01:58<re47>Hey I just installed Debian Lenny on my Dell 1545. I have the Broadcom B4312 Wireless Card and I'm attempting to install the wl driver for it. Problem being that when following the steps listed at I receive the error "Module wl not found." upon typing "modprob wl" as root. My kernel version is 2.6.26-2 and I'm running the amd64 architecture. Any ideas?
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02:00<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except the low-power PCIe (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB") in kernels < 2.6.32. If you have this specific device, ask me about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. Initial support is available in b43 from <compat-wireless>, which requires b43-fwcutter from Git and firmware; see for details.
02:01<EmleyMoor>Are you sure steps 2 and 3 went OK?
02:01*EmleyMoor is glad he went with the Intel on his 1750
02:01<EmleyMoor>... and 4
02:01<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter>. USB devices not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. See also <bcm4312>. #bcm-users on
02:02<EmleyMoor>It's wl
02:02<dpkg>[wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>.
02:02<re47>I know that much though :S
02:02<EmleyMoor>(or probably anyway)
02:02<re47>I was following the guide the bot just posted.
02:03<EmleyMoor>Check your PCI ID to see what supports it. Module not found implies that one of step 2, 3 or 4 went wrong
02:04<re47>EmleyMoor: It's definitely this driver. I just came from Arch Linux using this one before.
02:04<re47>I wiped my Arch install tonight for Debian but I was using the same driver/method before.
02:04<re47>0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
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02:04<re47>is the lspci | grep 43
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02:27<re47>Ok I fixed it by running "modprobe ieee80211_crypt_tkip && insmod wl.ko" Kinda feel stupid now but oh well =P. Figure I'd put another solution out into the sea.
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02:55<re47>Hey, I'm back again with one last question. It would appear that I'm required to run "insmod wl.ko" after every reboot? Is there a specific way of getting around this aside from writing a shell script to automate it at boot?
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02:58<jm_>re47: yes
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02:59<re47>jm_: What would that entail?
02:59<jm_>re47: man modules
03:00<re47>/etc/modules contains wl :S
03:00<jm_>that's enough
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03:01<re47>it still isn't working though
03:01<jm_>it might be it fails to load because you need something else loaded before it - enable bootlog and see
03:01<re47>Oh right, ieee80211_crypt_tkip
03:02<re47>but I have that placed before wl in the /etc/modules
03:03<re47>jm_: Hypothetically could I take the lazy way out and append the commands to my /etc/init.d/rc.local bash script?
03:03<re47>Or would that mess something up?
03:04<jm_>re47: should work
03:05<jm_>although I am not sure why that would work - that's what debian does with /etc/modules
03:05<re47>well my modules file looks like this...
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03:06<re47>now tell me I'm an idiot and I'm supposed to use modprobe
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03:06<re47>oh also it has loop below wl
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03:08<jm_>no that's OK
03:08<jm_>but note that if you have modules-version files those will be used first
03:09<re47>ls /etc | grep module only returns modules
03:10<jm_>ok so probably the best way to debug it is to enable bootlog
03:10<jm_>it should say loading kernel module foo ...
03:10<re47>I've only been using linux for about 3 months so I'm somewhat new. How can I go about the bootlog?
03:10<dpkg>it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
03:11<re47>Thanks :)
03:12<re47>Ok I'll reboot then. I'll brb.
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03:15<re47>jm_: No luck. Neither of the modules are even listed in the boot log
03:16<jm_>re47: what does this say 'grep VERBOSE' /etc/default/rcS
03:16<jm_>uhm 'grep VERBOSE /etc/default/rcS'
03:16<re47>no... I know what to do =P
03:16<re47>I'll brb again :)
03:17<jm_>sorry forgot it's not on by default
03:17<re47>haha np =P
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03:21<re47>jm_: FATAL: Error running install command for wl
03:22<jm_>re47: grep wl /etc/modprobe.d/*
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03:23<aquarat>does anyone have any idea where I can find potato ?
03:23<re47>/etc/modprobe.d/arch-aliases:alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
03:23<re47>/etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-common:install wl /sbin/modprobe -qr b43 ssb; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install wl $CMDLINE_OPTS
03:23<re47>/etc/modprobe.d/local.conf:install wl /sbin/modprobe -qr b43 ssb; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install w1 $CMDLINE_OPTS
03:23<jm_>aquarat: local shops have a lot of them here
03:23<aquarat>but they're soft
03:23<aquarat>and not as tasty
03:23<jm_>!tell aquarat -about archive
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03:23<aquarat>I've looked in the archive
03:23<aquarat>I'm after a cd image for the sparc architecture
03:24<jm_>cd images are not part of the archive
03:24<aquarat>there seems to be some sort of bug in the SILO boot loader on certain sun fire server
03:25<jm_>re47: you should use paste steis for more than 2 lines -- hmm maybe it fails because it's listed twice - does it work if you modprobe it manually later?
03:25<aquarat>I hate Solaris
03:25<jm_>hmm apparently grub2 now has sparc support
03:25<aquarat>well, okay, not hate, but dislike
03:25<re47>yeah It's for my wifi card
03:25<re47>but I have to insmod before modprobing
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03:26<aquarat>Thanks gsimmons!!
03:26<jm_>well the difference is insmod ignores the modprobe.d stuff I think
03:26<re47>ok I'll check
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03:27<jm_>so that may be the difference - try using modprobe manually and play with commenting out those rules, i.e. one should be enough
03:27<otgr>where can i find testing install cd images?
03:27<re47>ok will do. If all else fails I'll just use a shell script. Thanks alot for your help :)
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03:29<gsimmons>jm_: re47 had an error in the local.conf line (w1 instead of wl).
03:30<aquarat>what causes a company to build servers that lack display cards
03:30<aquarat>just so stupid
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03:34<jm_>gsimmons: heh you're right, but I still think it shouldn't be listed twice (my stupid method to find it would find it for him anyway)
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03:36<re47>jm_: A quick follow up: The issue was resolved upon removing BOTH install scripts.
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03:36<re47>Goodnight and thanks again :D
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03:37<jm_>blah :_)
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03:43<francesco>i have a problem : my box appear as 64x bit but it is a 32bit i'm sure ! (user agent and nvidia installer tell me it is 64)
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03:45<jm_>francesco: dpkg --print-architecture ; uname -a
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03:47<francesco>Linux francesco 2.6.31-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Nov 15 22:05:44 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
03:48<francesco>and it is 32bit for sure
03:48<jm_>and the first command?
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03:48<francesco>jm_: it say i386
03:49<jm_>francesco: so you are using 64bit kernel with 32bit installation
03:49<jm_>ok I give up
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03:50<francesco>jm_: i cloned it from my old pc and copy to my new pc hd (sda2) where i had also a 64bit box (sda1)
03:51<Nemoder>francesco: what is the current cpu? cat /proc/cpuinfo
03:51<francesco>i did some ops in chroot from my 64 box
03:51<francesco>it is an atom 330
03:51<francesco>Nemoder: u really want all the cat ?
03:51<Nemoder>no that's fine
03:52<francesco>yestarday i got fewer
03:52<francesco>so no work
03:52<Nemoder>did you install a custom kernel?
03:52<francesco>and for surprise arrive to me asrock330 ion very nice obj
03:52<francesco>no it is from debian rep
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03:53<Nemoder>but you changed kernels after you coppied everything over?
03:53<jm_>too bad those motherboards ar eso expensive
03:54<francesco>Nemoder: i had some problem at the first starting old kernel on new pc ... it stoped on "waiting for root filesistem"
03:55<francesco>then by chrooting on old box clone (sda2) from (64bit box sda1) i reinstalled the kernel
03:55<francesco>no sorry
03:56<francesco>i regenerate initr image
03:56<francesco>cause it has a wrong map of hd ( it pointed to old partition hda1
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03:56<francesco>that is all
03:56<Nemoder>well it sounds like you need to install/reinstall the 32bit kernel then reboot and remove the 64bit one
03:57<francesco>ok i try it
03:57<Nemoder>or reinstall the whole system from a 64bit disc if you want to go that route
03:58<francesco>is there a way to make grub2 set grub.cfg from an hd to another ... my grub.cfg is on sda1 and on sda2 i had the old box
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03:59<francesco>had i every time i install kernel on sda2 to set it by hand
04:00<Nemoder>are you trying to dual-boot between the two drivers?
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04:02<jm_>at least with grub1 it was possible to load menu.lst from alternative location, haven't really checked if grub2 allows it too
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04:04<francesco>ok thanks
04:04<francesco>i reboot the box now
04:04<jm_>you can manually load another config file from its command line though
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04:09<gray_fox>hi everybody
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04:11<shiznatix>Hello. Is there a keyboard shortcut to change the keyboard language layout in Gnome? I have English and Estonian and Russian on my computer and would like to be able to switch between the layouts with just a keyboard shortcut.
04:13<otgr>where can i find testing minimal install cd images?
04:14<jm_>shiznatix: you can configure one
04:14<shiznatix>jm_, where do I go to do that?
04:14<jm_>shiznatix: did you check gnome preferences?
04:14<shiznatix>otgr, this you mean?
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04:15<francesco>it seams the new kernel made the trick
04:15<francesco>now the sistem figure like 32bit
04:15<shiznatix>jm_, no, I didn't know there was a gnome preferences section. where do I find it
04:16<jm_>shiznatix: I can't help you with that, I don't use GNOME - don't you have a menu with all the stuff?
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04:17<shiznatix>there is a keyboard shortcuts thing but keyboard layout toggle is not an option to configure
04:18<jm_>hmm I don't really know how to do it with gnome, it's one of XKB options
04:20<snogglethorpe>gnome fucks with the keyboard in odd ways anyway...
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04:36<jmm>When installing, I'm trying to use the preseed file, to have my mirror and keyboard sets .
04:37<jmm>it seems to works but for some reason, it still prompt me, and I have to press enter.
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04:38<jmm>here is a part of the preseed file :
04:39<otgr>yes, like this. But this is only 5.03 last stable version. There was changes and i wanna to test new one before 5.04
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04:40<gsimmons>jmm: Which preseed method are you using?
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04:41<jmm>gsimmons: I didn't knew there were different methods. I use the same one as here :
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04:45<jmm>gsimmons: any suggestions ?
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04:47<Stemby>Hi, is there anyone who downloaded the first cd of Squeeze last week?
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04:56<gsimmons>jmm: You should be consulting Lenny's Installation Guide (Appendix B), rather than a guide written for Sarge. What boot parameters are you specifying to load the preseed file?
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04:58<jmm>gsimmons: that part is working, I have other parameters well sets. I use preseed/file=/cdrom/./preseed.cfg kernel parameter.
04:59<jmm>gsimmons: you're right about the doc stuff, I did read others ones too ( for lenny but in french ).
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05:05<Chrys>Hey all, I have a question: I currently have a debian server with apache2, webmin, mysql and proftpd running. If I want to connect to it from the local network it works. If I want to connect through the RRAS server (Windows 2003) I can't get to it and when I change the setting in RRAS to another webserver running on windows it does work. Does anybody know if I may have setup a wrong setting in apache2 or something?
05:06<jm_>Chrys: did you check if the request even reaches your host?
05:07<Chrys>Where could I check for that?
05:07<jm_>apache logs, tools like tcpdump: tcpdump 'port 80'
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05:08<Chrys>just a moment, i will check.
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05:09<nastya>Hello. I was running Lenny with the unstable nVidia drivers but since that card wasnt very good I switched the card with an ATI card that I was using before I put in the nvidia card. The problem now is that when I boot my machine it does not start x because of the driver problem. How do I get rid of the nvidia drivers and get at least the basic ati drivers installed
05:10<gsimmons>jmm: Enable auto mode (auto=yes) and see section B.1.1 of the Installation Guide for why that is necessary in your case.
05:11<ZeZu>nastya, how did you install the unstable nvidia drivers?
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05:11<ZeZu>nastya, quite possibly just sudo apt-get purge nvidia-glx
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05:11<nastya>ZeZu, roger, will try that now
05:11<ZeZu>then sudo apt-get install ati-fglrx
05:12<ZeZu>might want to use apt-cache search fglrx or smth, not sure if that is the right package name for ati drivers
05:12<ZeZu>i've not used ati in ages for their terrible support of linux, and crappy drivers in the first place on windows as well
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05:14<Chrys>jm_: the request does not show in the apache2 log. When using Putty for command it seems that the network is not reachable. but i'm also access it with Webmin from a remote PC in the local network.
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05:15<Garp>Question: what is the 'equivalent' for "/etc/crypttab" of what "mount -a" is for "/etc/fstab"; thanks.
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05:16<jm_>Chrys: how about tcpdump? does it show anything?
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05:17<jm_>nastya: how did you install nvidia driver?
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05:17<Chrys>jm_: i cant download tcpdump because the network is down on the webserver
05:17<leejongwook>G-na :P
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05:17<jm_>Chrys: how do you think you will be able to access apache on it then? I'm somewhat lost now
05:17<nastya>jm_, you helped me do it the other day. it was with getting the unstable version and building it somehow
05:17<leejongwook>hello ~
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05:18<jm_>nastya: ok, so using apt will work then
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05:18<leejongwook>G ~ na :P
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05:18<leejongwook>hello all sexy debian hackers
05:19<nastya>jm_, i did apt-get purge nvidia-glx and then apt-get autoremove and all that seamed to work but x is still looking for nvidia with a reboot. whats the ati driver package name? ati-fglrx doesn't exist
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05:19<jm_>nastya: yeah since you moidified xorg.conf - check the wiki
05:19<leejongwook>G ~~~ na :P
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05:19<jm_>nastya: /msg dpkg ati
05:19<jm_>pick one
05:20<Chrys>jm_: the network is up again, but we can still not access the server from outside the local network. we get the request in tcpdump
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05:20<jm_>Chrys: so you need to figure out how it replies back
05:20<leejongwook>Z-na :P
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05:22<nastya>jm_, seams quite complicated. Why isn't there just a package for the drivers? like a ati-drivers?
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05:23<noflash>leejongwook, do you have a debian related question?
05:23<leejongwook>:) yes
05:23<jmm>gsimmons: thanks for the information, I'm checking that *NOW* :)
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05:24<leejongwook>wanna play with mplayer without running screen saver
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05:25<jm_>nastya: there is, similar to nvidia - some cards are supported by radeon driver, some need fglrx
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05:26<leejongwook>deb -> 'e' means a head, and 'd' and 'b' means ears
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05:28<Chrys>jm_: its works know. It was something in my network config. Thank u for ur time and thanks for helping me out :)
05:28<jm_>Chrys: no worries, I didn't do anything
05:28<Chrys>antway, thanks for ur time :)
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05:38<nastya>jm_, i am trying to install fglrx but at the command "m-a a-i flgrx" I get the output "what is flgrx?"
05:39<jm_>nastya: did you install the driver first?
05:39<nastya>jm_, yes I ran "apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src"
05:40<jm_>nastya: it's m-a a-i fglrx
05:40<nastya>jm_, arg!
05:40<jm_>not flgrx
05:40<jm_>yes supperb name for a driver ;)
05:40<Garp>Anwser: looks like it doenst exists (sysinit use some lenghtly shell function to perform this; too bad...) [Question: what is the 'equivalent' for "/etc/crypttab" of what "mount -a" is for "/etc/fstab"; thanks.
05:40<jm_>superb too
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05:48<jmm>gsimmons: wohooo it works !
05:48<jmm>gsimmons: thanks man !
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05:49<gsimmons>jmm: np
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05:50<Stemby>Nobody downloaded the first cd of Squeeze last week?
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05:52<themill>Stemby: you've been asking that exact same question for hours. Try something different/more relevant and you might get an answer. /msg dpkg ask
05:55<Stemby>themill: I need it... people connect and disconnect continuously
05:56<themill>Stemby: why do you need it?
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05:57<themill>(and you'll find that there's a core group of about 10-20 people who are the most likely to answer your question and they don't connect and disconnect continuously)
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06:00<jm_>what does that have to do with squeeze CD?
06:00<jm_>Stemby: yes, I just read it and hence the question
06:01<Stemby>I have to install the old packages (the packages of the last week) to discover the bug
06:01<Stemby>(upgrading them)
06:01<jm_>ok so finally we get coherent question
06:01<themill>At last! We have some chance of knowing what you're actually on about!
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06:06<otgr>where can i find testing minimal install cd images?
06:06<jm_>wouldn't it make more sense to check his xorg.0.log file?
06:06<otgr>where can i find testing 5.04 minimal install cd images?
06:07<Stemby>jm_: the log file is present in the bug report. Do you see anithing interesting?
06:08<Stemby>anithing → anything
06:08<jm_>Stemby: well it says monitor doesn't return EDID info
06:09<jm_>Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz
06:10<jm_>that's very low, something old 14" CRT would be capable of
06:10<jm_>so it discards all the modes
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06:11<Stemby>jm_: last week everything worked well: what's changed?
06:11<jm_>ahh you're the bug reporter
06:11<jm_>Stemby: hard to say, it would be nice to see old xorg log
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06:12<Stemby>jm_, this is the reason I need the cd...
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06:12<jm_>Stemby: did you look in /var/cache/apt/archives?
06:12<Stemby>I reinstalled
06:13<Stemby>(I'm so stupid...)
06:13<jm_>Stemby: xserver-xorg-video-nv hasn't changed for quite a while
06:13<jm_>kernel maybe
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06:14<Stemby>jm: so, what can I do to help the developers?
06:14<jm_>did you check if get-edid|parse-edid returns anything?
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06:15<jm_>Stemby: figure out why it can't get EDID
06:15<jm_>does nvidia drive get it?
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06:16<Stemby>jm_, the video card is too old
06:16<Stemby>too much old
06:17<Ridikuel>Hello, is there a chance to make an audio-call through an umts-usb-stick?
06:18<Stemby>In 5 minuts I'll try get-edid|parse-edid, a moment please
06:18<jm_>Stemby: is this really a CRT monitor?
06:19<jm_>Stemby: I think legacy driver supports it
06:20<jm_>(lenny one)
06:20<Stemby>jm_: no, LCD 1680x1050
06:21<jm_>Stemby: external monitor?
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06:23<Stemby>jm_: yes
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06:24<Stemby>this one:
06:27<jm_>was just curious cause it says crt, but this card probably only has dsub connector(s)
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06:28<Stemby>I use the VGA port
06:28<Stemby>(the monitor has also DVI, but not the card)
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06:29<jm_>yes that's dsub - btw are you sure it worked at 1600 last week? how did you verify?
06:30<Stemby>I'm sure
06:30<Stemby>Resolution was the same I had in Lenny
06:31<Stemby>now it is 800x600: this isn't tha same thing...
06:31<Stemby>tha → the
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06:33<jm_>so if lenny works install that and get xorg.log
06:33<Stemby>jm_: I have to install read-edid, isn't it?
06:33<Stemby>In Lenny I used xorg.conf
06:34<jm_>Stemby: yes
06:34<jm_>you can still use xorg.conf
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06:37<jm_>so I think it's simply a case of not being able to get EDID info and thus falling back to 800x600
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06:38<Stemby>The problem is xorg.conf now it doesn't work, see the bug report
06:38<jm_>it works just fine
06:38<Stemby>"Input Not Supported"
06:39<jm_>but input stuff needs other keywords to be used due to HAL crap
06:39<jm_>!kbd+mouse broken
06:39<dpkg>In xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags"\nOption "AllowEmptyInput" "false"\nOption "AutoAddDevices" "false"\nOption "AutoEnableDevices" "false"\nEndSection (\n == hit enter, don't type '\n')
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06:40<Stemby>dpkg, now I try. In any case last week Debian worked without xorg.conf
06:40<dpkg>Stemby: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
06:41<jm_>well at least you learned that to fix problems you should stop at the point it fails or copy files for reference
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06:42<jm_>we have the same problem with testers at work: hey this doesn't work, and when you find time to look "ok show me", they go "but I have reinstalled (or reconfigured) already" ...
06:42<Stemby>jm_: ? I attached xorg.conf in the bug report
06:43<jm_>Stemby: this is about xorg.log, not .conf
06:43<Stemby>jm_, ok. Now what do you want I do?
06:44<Stemby>I try to modify xorg.conf or paste get-edid output?
06:44<jm_>Stemby: I would simply use working xorg.conf
06:44<jm_>no need to paste get-edid, just check if it reports anything useful
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06:47<Stemby>jm_: it seems to recognize the monitor
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06:48<Stemby>I paste the last lines:
06:48<Stemby>The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed
06:48<Stemby> �Acer AL2216W
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06:49<jm_>uhh you need to use it like I showed you : get-edid | parse-edid
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06:50<Stemby>jm_: the output seems ok
06:50<Stemby>Section "Monitor"
06:50<Stemby> # Block type: 2:0 3:fd
06:50<Stemby> # Block type: 2:0 3:fc
06:50<Stemby> Identifier "Acer AL2216W"
06:50<Stemby> VendorName "ACR"
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06:51<jm_>!tell stemby -about paste
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06:56<urbinek_work>how can i display everything between " " in text file ??
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06:57<jm_>urbinek_work: grep/sed/awk/perl/cut ...
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06:59<KOPEIII>åñòü êòî?)
06:59<jm_>Stemby: this looks good, so your problem is that nv driver doesn't seem to get this data
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07:00<Stemby>jm_: but you told nothing changed about nv
07:00<jm_>Stemby: but even here there are warnings about it, so this might be the reason
07:00<KOPEIII>ýòî ÷òî íå ðóññêèé ÷àò?)
07:00<urbinek_work>jm_: i know but i can find regexp
07:00<jm_>Stemby: well it changed from lenny to squeexe
07:00<jm_>urbinek_work: show me a sample line
07:00<KOPEIII>åñëè åñòü êòî ðóññêèé îòçîâèñü!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:01<urbinek_work>add address= mac-address=00:30:4F:37:B1:CE comment="*AUTO* Krl Artur, Zawada, Nowowiejska 87"
07:01<urbinek_work>add address= mac-address=00:0E:2E:4F:EE:20 comment="*AUTO* Paliga Pawe, Koziegowy, Graniczna 14, Cynkw"
07:01<garry>hi all)
07:01<jm_>how boring, if it was at least about lolek & bolek
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07:02<jm_>egrep -o '"[^"]{1,}"'
07:03<jm_>actually that {1,} crap can be + with extended regex
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07:11<Stemby>jm_: how can I change my xorg.conf?
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07:11<jm_>Stemby: change it for what?
07:11<Stemby>jm_: in Squeeze it doesn't work
07:12<jm_>Stemby: did you do what dpkg told you?
07:13<Stemby>I lost his answer, could you paste it please?
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07:13<jm_>Stemby: /msg dpkg kbd+mouse broken
07:14<jm_>and parse-edid gave you a monitor section for xorg.conf
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07:26<Stemby>jm_: now it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:26<Stemby>Thank you very much
07:26<locklace>!congratulate Stemby
07:26<dpkg>Nice one Stemby, you did it!
07:27<jm_>Stemby: good
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07:39<Stemby>Thank you, dpkg. Bye
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08:25<dpkg><greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better?
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09:08<topro>hi there, have a strange behaviour module-load behaviour at boot. system is lenny-stable with kernel 2.6.31 from sid. have a usb-gps-receiver (cdc_acm) and a usb-umts-modem(usbserial) both connected and powered at boot time. when system finished booting both modules are not loaded automatically. when i disconnect and reconnect them their modules get loaded automatically
09:09<portn0k>hey guys, im looking at the download section of the site, i see like 5 different DVD iso's though, do i need all of them? (i cant imageinine, just making sure i dont screw myself over)
09:09<topro>worked without a problem with kernel 2.6.25 (lenny some time before release)
09:09<topro>where to look at? initrd?
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09:10<dr|z3d>portn0k: You don't need all.. just the one that suits your needs best.
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09:10<portn0k>well, theres no difference between them as far as i can tell, except the idisk number in their filenames
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09:10<portn0k>ircing on telnet sucks ;/
09:10<Titan8990>portn0k, most people use the netisnt
09:11<portn0k>L i completely forgot that existed, i ahvnt used debian in almost 4 years
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09:21<[psyk]>So, I have an ASUS G60Vx gaming series laptop, and the recovery disks say they will only work on my PC. Now, I had a truecrypt disaster and lost the Truecrypt Recovery CD. If I wipe my HDD, will my recovery disks still work? Does anybody know how it checks that it's the specific machine?
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09:23<anonissimus>probably checks for some data on the mobo
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09:23<anonissimus>[psyk]: it will work with a 95% chance
09:24<[psyk]>Well I need those recovery disks to install a genuine copy of Windows. You know, for gaming.
09:24<[psyk]>Great support ASUS has, too. I called them and they said they don't support this issue and he refused to tell me how it checks it and hung up on me.
09:25<rjent>Greetings, is there anyone who would be willing to look at my d-i information wrt hard drive format operations:
09:28<rjent>It dies at It stops with the message "No file system is specified for partition #6 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda).
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09:29<rjent>s/It dies at //
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09:52<screenn>dmraid and mdstat is it both software raid technologies? and what is better for creating software raid?
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09:54<screenn>mdamd sorry
09:55<mgiammarco_>screenn mdadm is pure raid, supports 5/6 scrubbing etc.
09:55<mgiammarco_>you can put lvm over md if you need lvm too
09:56<hlp>I'm having trouble with /usr/local/man : I can't cd into it or write to it (as root)
09:56<hlp>can someone tell me where I should go to get help?
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09:58<mgiammarco_>hlp disk full?
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09:59<hlp>df -h says no
09:59*mjt looks at hal dependencies and.... *shrug*. Policykit, consolekit, and, oh my God, the dreaded Udev!... :(((((
10:00<locklace>mjt: i know, it sucks
10:00<mjt>and that's only for the extra mouse buttons to work!
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10:00<mjt>and also #515214
10:01<mjt>as in, xorg now *requires* hal.
10:01<Titan8990>as of xorg-xserver 1.5
10:01<mjt>i was hoping to reduce number of locally-maintained packages
10:01<locklace>i still have no clue how to configure any of that shit. every time i try i enter some parallel universe populated by people who think unix sysadmin means xml hell
10:02*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
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10:02<locklace>!pie themill
10:02*dpkg hits themill in the face with a cream pie
10:02<Titan8990>locklace, its already been dropped from the newest xservers, so don't worry
10:02<Titan8990>you will have a new system to learn a year from now...
10:02<mjt>themill: as in, debian's way is crap and if you don't want crap it's off-topic here?
10:02<locklace>hadn't heard it was dropped again
10:03<themill>mjt: this is a user-support channel not a generic whinging channel.
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10:03<mjt>Titan8990: take a look at the bug i referred to above
10:03<themill>We've had more than enough whinging here about this. It's boring. It achieves nothing. If anything it detracts from other things.
10:03<dr|z3d>themill: Not always easy to tell the difference ;)
10:04<locklace>i disagree. it's a major pain spot for a lot of people, so it's natural to expect it will keep coming back.
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10:05<themill>And it achieves nothing and prevents other work being done.
10:05<locklace>also, the recurrence leads to the mention of workarounds, alternatives and future plans, which are all welcome and very much on-topic
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10:05<mjt>I just wanted to enable two extra mouse buttons. Is there a way to do that without hal?
10:05<themill>IRC is not a bug reporting forum. We have the BTS for that and the bug is already filed.
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10:06<themill>mjt: read the bug report and it's also listed on the wiki. /msg dpkg xorg hal
10:06<Titan8990>mjt, even though HAL is in use does not mean you have to use the .fdi files. you can still use xorg.conf
10:06<themill>mjt: err... /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze
10:06<mjt>i've read alot of bugreports already ;)
10:06<mjt>and config squeeze too
10:06<mjt>it's on the 2nd screen here right now
10:07<Titan8990>and im surprised to see it works without... in gentoo you have explicitly compile xserver without support for hal or input devices will not work
10:07<mjt>i can enable evdev for listed /dev/input/event* only, the problem is to list them ;)
10:08<mjt>Titan8990: are you sure for recompile?
10:08<mjt>tried turning off AutoAddDevices ?
10:08<Titan8990>mjt, yep, thats what it says in the xorg upgrade guide for 1.5 and I have tried getting it to work with hal support still enabled with no luck
10:10<mjt>heck. Here, startup time changed from some 20 sec to 4 MINUTES after upgrade of xserver-xorg from testing (which pulled hal and udev and policykit)
10:10<mjt>on a diskless machine
10:11<mjt>4m42s from power-on to X login prompt. Versus 19s before ;)
10:11<locklace>i just have x held at 7.3 until the madness passes
10:12<themill>sounds like you need to correctly configure your network. There's no way it makes that much difference. (And I won't ask why you're rebooting anyway)
10:12<mjt>no, network is ok
10:12<mjt>it's udev trying to load ide drivers
10:13<mjt>i'm not rebooting, it's an office machine which isnt supposed to be up at night
10:13<mjt>(ve'we many of these here)
10:14<themill>that's what s2disk is for
10:14<mjt>there's no disk
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10:15<mjt>even windows refuses to hybernate if some software is running of a network (say, shared install of firefox). Here, _whole_ system is running off the network :)
10:16<locklace>so what is udev trying to do with ide under those circumstances
10:17<locklace>do you even need ide in your kernel? are you using initrd?
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10:17<mjt>it appears like some bug in the ide driver
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10:18<themill>i.e. not udev's fault at all
10:18<mjt>i don't need ide but udev (which i don't want too) think I need it.
10:18<themill>To run everything off the network like that and get the boot time down to 20s, you have to have done some careful configuration of the setup. So why are you refusing to do any configuration now to fix this problem?
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10:18<locklace>udev just responds to kernel events afaik
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10:19<locklace>does device name assignment, permissions, etc. dynamically
10:19<lebouquetin>hi all
10:19<mjt>udev loads drivers
10:20<locklace>actual device and driver stuff lives only in the kernel
10:20<mjt>there was no config before - i didn't run /etc/init.d/* stuff at all
10:20<lebouquetin>Hi all. I create debian packages for my software and they are all available on one repository.
10:20<mjt>only initrd and busybox shell
10:20<lebouquetin>I recently created the package in 1.0.10 version
10:21<lebouquetin>but my debian machines still find 1.0.9 as the latest
10:21<lebouquetin>is it a "normal" behaviour ? Should I rename my packages 1.0.09, etc ?
10:21<themill>lebouquetin: did you recreate the Packages file after dropping the newer version into the repo? (how are you managing this repo)
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10:22<lebouquetin>themill, oh, I'm not sure about that... let me check
10:22<mjt>so now i added udev, dbus, polkit and hal into the mix (or else it didn't start). And I've no idea how to stop udev from loading everything - i will have to _blacklist_ everything i think, which looks like an idiotic idea really...
10:22<themill>lebouquetin: you might like to look at something like reprepro to managing this for you (/msg dpkg reprepro)
10:23<locklace>mjt: my approach would be to build a kernel with only the necessary drivers and no initrd
10:24<mjt>well, this kernel is used on all our machines, and they're all different
10:24<mjt>it's insane to keep separate kernels for every workstation
10:24<mjt>and initrd-less setup does not work too
10:24<lebouquetin>themill, that's it : i didn't recreate the packages file...
10:25<lebouquetin>I did so, all is wxorking well now
10:25<locklace>well if none of them have disks then you could have a uniform kernel build without disk drivers at the very least
10:25<mjt>some have disks
10:25<mjt>which are used rarely
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10:25<mjt>the best way is to disable udev
10:26<mjt>since all that is already done in initrd (only the needed drivers)
10:26<mjt>better yet is to remove it entirely
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10:26<mjt>instead of all the ugly workarounds :)
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10:26<Titan8990>you can configure udev persistent rules
10:27<mjt>another workaround? :)
10:27<locklace>what actually goes wrong if you try to omit udev altogether
10:27<Titan8990>configuration is a workaround?
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10:27<mjt>hal refuses to start if udev isn't started
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10:30<nonobings>I added a user-account and it expires after two weeks. how can i change that?
10:30<manchurian>hello I have a question about compiling Linux on Debian Live
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10:31<manchurian>can anybody help?
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10:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:33<manchurian>I am using Debian Live to compile Linux kernel. Anyway I compiled it and when I try to install it. It says I need to configure LILO. But Debian Live doesn't have LILO nor GRUB. I tried to install GRUB on my USB but couldn't
10:34<locklace>mjt: guess the only way out then is to configure udev
10:34<panthera>manchurian: where, on which system, do you want to install it?
10:35<manchurian>It (grub-install) says "Format of install device not recognized"
10:35<locklace>at least its files aren't xml
10:35<manchurian>does squashfs support grub
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10:36<panthera>manchurian: please answer my question.
10:36<panthera>manchurian: live system or some system on the hdd?
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10:36<manchurian>i want to install it on the same USB which is running Debian Live
10:36<mjt>udev tries to load a driver for every device it encounters. That's the functionality that must not be part of it. I think that the only sane approach is to patch udev.
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10:37<manchurian>@panthera: i want to install it on the same USB which is running Debian Live
10:37<panthera>manchurian: not easy possible, see ml archive. was discussed this month.
10:37<manchurian>or do I have to create new partition?
10:37<Titan8990>mjt, no, i just configured persistant rules when I had that trouble with ethernet interface on my laptop
10:37<Titan8990>from udev
10:37<mjt>manchurian: most probably yes
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10:38<mjt>Titan8990: i only have one prob with it: everything it does is not needed :)
10:38<mjt>Titan8990: i want it to stop load modules, _ever_.
10:38<manchurian>so asking for easiness for myself, can I create new partition out of my USB persistent partition for making Debian Live persistent?
10:38<mjt>like, blacklist everything
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10:39<panthera>manchurian: yes.
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10:39<manchurian>ok let me try
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10:39<mjt>manchurian: but for that you have to boot from something else...
10:40<manchurian>thanks to panthera and mjt
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10:41<locklace>mjt: there's some way to turn off module autoloading in udev i think
10:41<manchurian>btw still I am installing my new custom kernel on a new partition but I need GRUB on the squash thing right?
10:41<panthera>mjt: no need for reboot.
10:41<mjt>panthera: sorry?
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10:41<mjt>manchurian: squashfs is read-only by definition
10:42<mjt>manchurian: you can't change it in any way
10:42<manchurian>so where do I install GRUB to have a boot option to the new partition?
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10:42<mjt>but you want to install grub to a directoru which is directly on your usb flash, not inside a squashfs on it
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10:43<manchurian>Just got an idea!!!! :P
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10:43<mjt>now you've usb flash with - probably - an ms-dos filesystem on it; a file on that filesystem which holds your linux filesystem as squashfs, and inside that you've your files
10:43<mjt>you have to install things on first filessystem not on second squashfs
10:44<sun>hi i was wondering if anyone has a preference for smartphone to sync with debian? do any of them sync with debian?
10:44<manchurian>ok on the head of my USB (8GB), there is squashfs with name sda1, I then created a new partition on the vast space and named sda2
10:45<mjt>sun: it's usually the other way around: there's an application that syncs with a given phone
10:45<manchurian>so I will mount sda2 into /media/sda2 and install grub there, right?
10:45<mjt>sun: not that phone syncs with anything
10:45<mjt>manchurian: exactly
10:45<sun>mjt i see. which phones have good syncing applications on debian?
10:45<manchurian>u r brilliant, mjt!
10:45<mjt>sun: and for that, i've no idea ;)
10:46<mjt>sun: apparently there are some apps in debian for that. Usually such program is supplied by vendor and is windows-only...
10:46<mjt>manchurian: but don't forget that you will have to add your 2nd partition as a boot choice somewhere
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10:47<sun>mjt yes that is exactly my problem. i know if i was running windows then i could run the standard syncing app, but im running debian.
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10:48<mjt>manchurian: note that maybe you already have grub installed on sda1
10:48<sun>mjt so i am wondering which phones have reliable syncing apps on debian. but i guess none, since nobody seems to know. its too bad, i think a smartphone would be very useful to have.
10:48<manchurian>u mean the third one which will have the custom Linux kernel right? I will add boot option to that device in sda2's grub
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10:48<mjt>manchurian: i mean that your usb is already bootable, so it already have some boot loader with its set of boot choices. You'll have to add your partition to THAT list.
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10:50<manchurian>I booted it by setting it up in BIOS
10:50<manchurian>how do I know if i got a bootloader?
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10:52<manchurian>mjt: u used Debian Live, right? It has some options when starting. Are these already bootloader?
10:52<mjt>i never saw debian live
10:53<mjt>but bios loads a boot loader from a device you told it to boot from
10:53<mjt>you can't have bootable device without at least some trivial bootloader
10:53<manchurian>@mjt, have u ever installed custom kernel on Debian with kernel-package it never asks which drive to install
10:53<mjt>sure it never asks
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10:53<mjt>because it's installing on _current_ system
10:54<manchurian>it creates new initrd in /boot
10:54<mjt>if you want to install it elsewhere, you have to install whole system in that place
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10:55<manchurian>on the screen with options when starting, how can we add option to boot the new initrd?
10:55<mjt>it depends on the bootloader used in there
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10:55<locklace>mjt: arch linux has a MOD_AUTOLOAD="no" option in /etc/rc.conf that disables udev module autoloading; not sure if they patched udev for that or what
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10:56<huulinh>he lo
10:56*simonrvn would think so
10:56<mjt>locklace: or load_modules=off on the kernel commandline
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10:56<folliculated34>hi guys, anyway to know what repo a package came from?
10:56<mjt>locklace: i've already been there reading their faq :)
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10:57<locklace>that option should be in the base code if it isn't already
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10:57<Manu_>c bon la?
10:58<mjt>btw, does X input hotplug works in lenny too?
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11:01<mjt>and also, is synaptics driver needed or is evdev sufficient for that too?
11:01<mjt>i mean for touchpads
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11:02<wathsala>Hi all
11:03<wathsala>I'm building some debs from a C program which I have written
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11:03<wathsala>I use automake and friends to build my C program
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11:04<mjt>heck. It looks like this hal thing will not work on most of our terminals... Most of them have 128megs of memory, but it already used 140 on my workstation. Previously it were happy with 64megs. Just two extra mouse buttons!...
11:05<wathsala>in my I have a install-exec-hook section and I use dh_make and debuild to make the deb. The problem is how can I make a deb so that dpkg would perform the part done my install-exec-hook in make.
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11:06<mjt>wathsala: it's not done this way. All debian stuff is done _outside_ of your package
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11:08<mjt>you provide debian/ directory and debian/rules, debian/control, debian/changelog etc files. debian/rules is a makefile to build/install your package. But really, see debian packaging manual for that
11:08<wathsala>but at the moment deb package creates and installs all the stuff in EXTRA_DIST
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11:09<wathsala>yes I have edited the those files
11:09<wathsala>which are generated from the dh_make
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11:10<wathsala>I need to add a user to the system, in my make I have a install-exec-hook which does that
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11:10<mjt>it's done in postinst script
11:10<wathsala>I just saw something postinst.ex in debian directory
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11:11<mjt>.ex = example, you rename it to be w/o .ex
11:11<wathsala>thanks mjt
11:12<wathsala>I think that was helpful
11:12<mjt>wathsala: you really, _really_ need to read the policy
11:12<mjt>at least briefly
11:12<mjt>to understand how it all works and where to put what
11:13<mjt>it's structured quite cleanly
11:13<wathsala>I have been building tar.gzs for years but this is the first time I'm packaging something ;)
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11:15<mjt>just one caveat for you: don't try to use debian/changelog for your main change log, only put debian-package-specific things to that. If you _ever_ descide to build native packages (which is most likely not what you want anyway)
11:15<manchurian>i am confused. When I install new custom kernel with kernel-package, does it overwrite the original kernel I am working on?
11:16<mjt>manchurian: if the two are of the same base version and "suffixed" in the same way
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11:17<manchurian>they "are"
11:18<manchurian>they are same version
11:18<manchurian>so does it overwrite
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11:19<mjt>but i doubt you have the same "suffix"
11:19<mjt>on them
11:19<mjt>say, your original kernel was linux-image-2.6-i686
11:19<mjt>you created linux-image-2.6-custom
11:19<mjt>the two are _different_ kernels and will live without disturbing each other
11:20<mjt>unless you really created linux-image-2.6-i686
11:21<damiank>anyone here uses monodevelop?
11:22<mjt>locklace: apparently udev itself does not load modules, modprobe gets called from udev rules. So the way is to remove that modprobe line or replace it with a script that will check /proc/cmdline or whatever.
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11:22<manchurian>so there are two initrd.img and two vmlinuz and two and two config in my /boot
11:23<mjt>manchurian: they're usually named after kernel version - like vmlinuz-2.6.31-i686
11:23<manchurian>half have suffixes -2.6.26-2-686 while other half having -2.6.26-custom
11:23<mjt>yeah ;)
11:23<mjt>here you go, you've two of them
11:23<manchurian>so do I remove -2.6.26-2-686 and reboot?
11:24<mjt>no, you configure the damn boot loader and reboot ;)
11:24<manchurian>I mean to run -custom one
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11:25<mjt>but i wonder if it's not on a tmpfs of some sort that will disappear after reboot... ;)
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11:25<manchurian>the problem is grub-install can not recognize device format of both sda1(squashfs) and sda2(ext2)
11:25<Arelis>Hello people. I want to try out Debian, but I don't want software that is really outdated - but I don't want my system to crash all the time either. What repository should I use?
11:25<Titan8990>Arelis, don't cross post
11:25<mjt>sure sda1 is squashfs?
11:25<locklace>mjt: that makes a little more sense
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11:26<Arelis>Titan8990: I found this channel on Wikipedia, and more people are present here. So I posted the question again, on this server.
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11:26<Ian_>hello! does anyone know how I can use HPing for IPv6 addresses??
11:26<Arelis>Titan8990: Lenny with backports? Why not testing?
11:27<manchurian>sorry mjt, sda1 is fat16
11:27<manchurian>as parted says
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11:28<mjt>manchurian: as i said at the very beginning ;)
11:28<Arelis>Titan8990: Sorry for the crosspost, leaving #debian on freenode now.
11:28<Titan8990>Arelis, are you an experienced with linux and able to fix your own problems as they inevitably will happen with testing?
11:28<locklace>mjt: although trying to decipher its config and how exactly modprobe gets called for various things seems less than transparent
11:28<manchurian>so still grub-install can not rcognize device format
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11:29<manchurian>save my day, mjt
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11:29<manchurian>what can I do now :(
11:29<Arelis>Titan8990: Yes, but I would not like it if things suddenly don't work anymore and I have to fix it.
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11:30<manchurian>@Arelis, don't worry I am using it know. It is awesome
11:30<manchurian>try lenny
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11:30<manchurian>using it now :P
11:30<Titan8990>Arelis, then run lenny, install packages from backports only as absolutely necessary
11:31<mjt>manchurian: i think the best route for you is to just install debian the usual way.
11:31<mjt>manchurian: it requires a bit more understanding of the whole thing
11:31<Arelis>Titan8990: Would that allow me to have an updated firefox, GNOME, and any other software i'd like to have the latest from?
11:32<manchurian>I need to install the custom kernel .deb
11:32<manchurian>That is the point
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11:32<mjt>manchurian: once you install debian normally you will be able to install custom kernel just fine
11:33<mjt>because update-grub will work
11:33<manchurian>I have Debian installed already
11:33<Titan8990>Arelis, gnome, not likely... firefox? its iceweasel in debian and no. other software? probably
11:33<manchurian>ok u mean not Debian Live?
11:33<mjt>manchurian: on squashfs != "normally"
11:33<Arelis>Titan8990: What about Testing?
11:33<Titan8990>Arelis, if "new" shiny software is a priority, I wouldn't recommend debian
11:34<manchurian>They said they got no similar problem with Xubuntu
11:34<mjt>manchurian: that squashfs thing is what doing it "live" and prevents things like installing kernels
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11:34<Titan8990>Arelis, what about it? you can view the packages at
11:34<Arelis>Titan8990: Ubuntu is too buggy for my taste, and Arch Linux requires too much time to maintain. Do you have any recommendations?
11:34<manchurian>how is that possible
11:34<Arelis>Titan8990: What I meant was, do I get updated Firefox and GNOME in Testing?
11:34<MayaT>just read n learn here :)
11:35<mjt>manchurian: different structure of the live distro?
11:35<manchurian>ok then
11:35<OdyX>Arelis: getting new and shiny things _and_ stable is not really possible...
11:35<manchurian>have u used Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
11:35<mjt>manchurian: as i said before, i never ever saw any of them
11:35<Arelis>OdyX: I'm not talking about Stable. Just Stable Enough.
11:35<Titan8990>Arelis, its newer, yes
11:35<mjt>manchurian: i did a few of my own and use a few too
11:35<mjt>manchurian: even before ubuntu existed ;)
11:36<OdyX>Arelis: did you report the bugs you were having to Ubuntu ?
11:36<manchurian>both won't install on my USB or HDD
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11:36<Arelis>OdyX: No. It was mostly related to my video card, and that was already reported.
11:36<manchurian>I tried DSL, but apt-get and kernel-package don't install properly
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11:37<mjt>the "live" thing is really nothing more but a few tweaks before boot scripts
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11:37<manchurian>mjt: What Debain-offspring would you recommend me in this situation?
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11:37<OdyX>U2 ?
11:37<OdyX>RATM ?
11:38<manchurian>I mean some Linux dist derived from Debian, importantly runs apt-get complete
11:38<mjt>no idea ;)
11:38<manchurian>ok then
11:38<mjt>i always used debian directly
11:39<mjt>and changed a few things manually if necessary
11:39<manchurian>so I will have to jump out to buy a blank CD
11:39<mjt>including making my own kenrel packages and initramf
11:39<mjt>or understand why debian does not work for you on usb
11:39<mjt>(or who is not working, I'm confused)
11:40<mjt>or learn how boot process works
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11:40<locklace>!confuse mjt
11:40<dpkg>Yes, those is our weasel yesterday, mjt? Trousers of the Democracy of Belarus with extra cheese.
11:40<manchurian>made it persistent, it works cool
11:40<Arelis>!confuse locklace
11:40<dpkg>No, how are our snake tomorrow, locklace? Wellies of the Democracy of Mongolia with extra cream.
11:40<sney>manchurian: coming in here and asking what debian-based distro to use is like going into a Ford dealer and asking if you should get a Mazda or a Volvo
11:40<manchurian>there is syslinux on sda1
11:40<sney>you'll just get head scratches and no useful answers, because it's not the place for that question
11:40<mjt>it's difficult to confuse mjt with Trousers of the Democracy of Belarus
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11:41<manchurian>in its live.cfg it is just initrd.img
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11:42<sney>the best debian-based distro is debian. all the other ones are worse in one way or another.
11:42<dpkg>hmm... testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
11:42<manchurian>sney: u used Debain Live on USB?
11:42<mjt>sney: all the derived distros actually are trying to _improve_ some things in debian :)
11:43<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
11:43<sney>mjt: but they get so focused on their one thing that they let several others fall by the wayside
11:43<manchurian>sney: u used Debain Live on USB?
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11:43<sney>not recently, but I'm going to need to today to get my eee back up and running.
11:43<mjt>it's what you have with universal tools: each tool that aims to provide several functions at once is usually worse for every single function than a dedicated tool
11:44<manchurian>mjt: #debian is now #philosophy
11:44<mjt>yeah ok
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11:44<manchurian>mjt: #debian is now known as #philosophy :)
11:45<manchurian>fun :)
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11:45<mjt>==> home
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11:49<OdyX>$ echo mjt | bus > /home
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11:52<Arelis>How do I install Debian Testing? Should I download a special CD?
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11:52<locklace>no. install lenny and upgrade
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11:54<Sallin>Is anyone else running firestarter as firewall?
11:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:54<Sallin>:) ok, I have some weird boot problems that I suspect are caused by starting the firestarter daemon
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11:55<Sallin>when I watch the boot I sometimes see "firestarter started" and directly after that "starting firestarter". When this occurs I don't have internet access
11:55<Sallin>when I see "firestarter started" and not a second try to start, internet is fine
11:56<Arelis>locklace: How do I upgrade to testing?
11:56<locklace>dpkg: tell Arelis about lenny->squeeze
11:56<Sallin>I've searched around a bit on the forum/wiki/google but couldn't vind anything related.
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11:56<Arelis>locklace: Thanks :)
11:57<Arelis>locklace: How do I request that message again once on debian?
11:57<OdyX>Arelis: you might also want to use the installer in "expert mode" (in which you can choose the dest distro)
11:57<locklace>/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
11:57<Arelis>locklace: thanks :)
11:58<Sallin>btw I'm running squeeze
11:58<Arelis>OdyX: Is that as safe as installing Lenny first, then upgrading?
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11:59<OdyX>Arelis: nothing should be considered safe with testing...
11:59<OdyX>it has that name for a reason
11:59<OdyX>(I did it just 1 h ago and it went fine apart from the Grub-stuff)
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11:59<OdyX>(note that it might be the critical thing :) )
12:03<Sallin>anyone else who sees firestarter spawn a lot during boot?
12:04<OdyX>Sallin: (I don't use firestarter…) Did you try to go through the reported bugs ?
12:04<Sallin>briefly. But I could be more thorough
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12:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:08<Nicolas>oooie ;d'
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12:10<kop>What's the default X-Spam-Level: that a stock spamassissen needes to put [Spam] in the subject?
12:12<dr|z3d>kop: Depends on the server.
12:13<dr|z3d>0.9 I vaguely recall being default on some..
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12:14<kop>dr|z3d: I'm looking at a message I got an am wondering whether my system or the remote side messed with the subject. I should be able to tell from the X-Spam-Level header....
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12:16<kop>It _seems_ like the default is 5.0 (I didn't mess with the setting.)
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12:16<Pehaper>some body know some well hexeditor for debian ????
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12:17<Pehaper>some body know some well hexeditor for debian ????
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12:17<Pehaper>some body know some well hexeditor for debian ????
12:17<themill>dpkg: tell Pehaper about repeat
12:17<Titan8990>Pehaper, emacs, stop spamming
12:17<Pehaper>ok sorry
12:18<Pehaper>thank you
12:18<Titan8990>M-x hexl-mode in emacs
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12:19<Pehaper>themill i need somting whats is in the package ....
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12:19<Pehaper>whats can download witch apt-get install
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12:20<Titan8990>aptitude install emacs22
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12:22<Pehaper>that is hex editor ?
12:22<themill>judd versions khexedit
12:22<judd>themill: khexedit -- etch: 4:3.5.5-3etch1 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-3~bpo.1 lenny: 4:3.5.9-2
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12:22<Pehaper>cool :D
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12:23<Pehaper>Titan 8990 u are the best Thank you
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12:25<Pehaper>why when i try edit any app in some hex editor have This program cant run in win32 and #$%#$%#$%
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12:27<peej>Pehaper, there is also hexedit
12:29<Titan8990>Pehaper, if your using emacs you need to do M-x hexl-mode
12:29<Pehaper>Yeah i see in in youtube how some man translate game with hex edit and i want translate the same game translate for my langue..... But i can't becouse i have the same error in Linux and windows Xp
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12:37<benji_>Hi, How can I reload the grub kernel list please?
12:38<cahoot>what do you mean?
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12:38<Titan8990>update-grub adds entries to your menu.lst
12:39<benji_>I installed a new kernel and it does not appear at boot time
12:39<Titan8990>benji_, installed it how?
12:39<Titan8990>benji_, alright... from where?
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12:40<benji_>Is that what you mean?
12:41<Titan8990>uhh, sort of... what is the name of the new kernel package you installed?
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12:42<benji_>linux-image-686-bigmem ( linux-headers-2.6.31-1-686-bigmem )
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12:43<Titan8990>benji_, you installed both?
12:43<Titan8990>wait... .31
12:43<Titan8990>benji_, what version of debian is this?
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12:45<Titan8990>benji_,pastebin: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem
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12:46<Titan8990>benji_, it looks like you are mixing sid and lenny, which is very bad. pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
12:46<Titan8990>well, *can* be very bad I should say
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12:47<benji_>I downloaded a stable netinst and then modified the sources.list to have an unstable environment
12:47<Titan8990>benji_, i see, you just used the sid repos to grab the kernel?
12:48<Titan8990>benji_, did you fully upgrade to sid?
12:48<peej>I want a neat way of returning 0 if a file is root owned. echo `ls -l <filename> | cut -f3 -d" "` | grep root is the best I can come up with. Anything less lame looking?
12:48<benji_>think so
12:48<Titan8990>benji_, sid is not supported.... it assumes you can fix your own issues
12:49<Titan8990>benji_, anyways... mv /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak; update-grub
12:49<Titan8990>benji_, then pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:50<benji_>Titan8990: menu.lst diseapered
12:51<peej>um. Should stick in a -q as grep argument to make it quiet. echo `ls -l <filename> | cut -f3 -d" "` | grep -q root
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12:51<benji_>update-grub is for grub2 now
12:51<Titan8990>benji_, mv /boot/grub/menu.lst.bak /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:51<Titan8990>benji_, and I know nothing about grub2 so good luck
12:52<benji_>tx anyway
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12:52<EagleRock>benji_: if you want to install grub2, you need to run update-grub2 instead
12:53<EagleRock>but caveat emptor with that advice
12:53<benji_>EagleRock: "update-grub is a stub for running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg to generate a grub2 config file."
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12:54<EagleRock>oh, it already created the config file then
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12:54<benji_>I dont know how to update the grub _1_ config file
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13:00<kaneda>hello all
13:01<kaneda>i am getting some strange irregularities in both the mount of local disks and remote disks
13:01<kaneda>i am currently attempting to mount 5 local disks via fstab and 8 remote disks
13:01<kaneda>4/5 local disks mount, 7/8 remote disks
13:01<kaneda>there are no errors, it is as though it is skipping the mount process for two disks
13:01<kaneda>which can then be mounted using mount -a on boot
13:01<kaneda>no errors there either
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13:02<kaneda>any ideas?
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13:03<EagleRock>kaneda: can you pastebin your fstab?
13:03<kaneda>EagleRock, sure
13:04<kaneda>so first is the internal stuff, then local disks, then remote
13:04<kop>kaneda: What do the logs say? (and dmesg)
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13:04<kaneda>kop, they dont
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13:05<kaneda>kop, meaning there's nothing in them about the disks in question
13:05<kop>kaneda: Is it always the same disks that don't mount?
13:05<kaneda>kop, yes internally, no remotely
13:06<kaneda>err, local, not internal
13:06<kaneda>but i thought i had fixed the local problem by changing the mount order to match the device mapping
13:06<kaneda>which worked on the first boot, failed on the second
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13:08<kaneda>it's very strange that it seems to skip these disks
13:08<kaneda>the result of the manual mount is clean
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13:08<benji_>updating to grub2 helped me though
13:08<kaneda>these net boot
13:09<kaneda>oh, not in reference to my mounting problem
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13:11<kop>kaneda: What version of Debian?
13:12<kop>kaneda: dmesg says that udev says that all the disks are detected?
13:13<kaneda>at least there are no errors
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13:14<moe>Hi. Im on Debian Stable. Theres python 2.5.2. How to update to 2.6? Sorry for noob question
13:14<kaneda>moe, sudo aptitude update
13:14<kaneda>moe, sudo aptitude upgrade
13:14<kop>kaneda: I'm thinking that udev does not finish detecting util after rcS/*mountall runs.
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13:15<moe>im on stable. That doesnt matter.
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13:15<kaneda>kop, how can i delay the mount until after all disks have been detected?
13:16<moe>I mean, afaik python has 2.5 version not only in stable
13:16<kop>moe: You wait until 2.6 is in stable, which will be years. Or checkout
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13:16<moe>Oh! Thanx
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13:16<kaneda>yah, lenny backports have been started, lots of packages
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13:17<kaneda>kop, so how can i assure that udev has detected all the disks?
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13:17<kaneda>kop, and that certainly wont solve the nfs problem
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13:18<kop>kaneda: I don't know. And I don't know that that's really your problem. You've a couple of options. File a bug report. Write if you think it's really a problem and ask them.
13:18<kaneda>dang :(
13:19<kaneda>kop, it's strange, it seems to ignore the first entry in the NFS list
13:19<kop>dpkg: ops pb2009 is spamming, then left. (I think)
13:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kop complains about: pb2009 is spamming, then left. (I think)
13:19<kop>kaneda: You could ask again here later.
13:19<kaneda>i'll idle for a bit while i think about the problem
13:20<kaneda>i'll also mess with some of the nfs options in fstab
13:20<moe>how to find out version of the programm in backports, besides visiting the site?
13:20<moe>the repository is on
13:21<Hydroxide>moe: apt-cache policy <filename>
13:21<Hydroxide>err, packagename
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13:21<moe>mm and aptitude version?
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13:21<kop>!tell moe about bpo
13:21<kaneda>moe, dont forget to add it to the repos list
13:21<kaneda>then update
13:21<kaneda>and you should be able to search on it
13:21<moe>its there already
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13:22<moe>Ok, I'll check
13:22<kop>!bpo contents
13:22<dpkg>To see a list of packages that are available to you from, first add to your sources (ask me about <>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo".
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13:22<kaneda>kop, that should also say update first, or it wont give you the new source list ;)
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13:24<capon>hi all
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13:25<capon>do anyvody know how to install vmware on a debian based system?
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13:25<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. . See also <virtualization>.
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13:28<ZeZu>anyone know if serial is not built into debian kernels ?
13:28<moe>aptitude search ~Vbpo they obviously dont have python2.6 - lots of modules though
13:28<ZeZu>i'm using console=ttyS1,115200n8 and i'm not getting anything after booting w/ grub :|
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13:29<ZeZu>should mention this is the hd-media kernel for i386
13:29<sna>hi all
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13:31<kaneda>moe, you can install it from src then
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13:32<Titan8990>kaneda, I would highly advise against that
13:32<sna>I have a filesystem problem on /home partition, it's a problem with the superblock and i can't rescue older versions of it. I absolutely need to rescue an open office Calc file, *.ods and I tried with photorec, but there's not this extension in the extensions list...
13:33<ZeZu>sna: back it up before playing with it
13:33<ZeZu>/home is on its own partition ?
13:33<sna>now i'm running on root
13:33<flint>hi, My touchpad (synaptics) stopped responding after an update today afternoon. There is some activity when i do a "cat /dev/psaux", the xorg.conf looks okay.. The gsynaptics program doesn't start and says that "SHMConfig" should be "true" but its already set in xorg.conf.. Can you please help me out?
13:34<ZeZu>ifso, just dd if=/dev/devPart of=/root/backup.part
13:34<ZeZu>then, have you run fsck on it?
13:34<ZeZu>what type of filesystem ?
13:35<sna>it was /dev/sda6 but it doesn't even find it anymore
13:35<ZeZu>can't find it anymore ??
13:35<ZeZu>sudo fdisk -l doesn't show it ?
13:35<sna>even with testdisk
13:35<ZeZu>ok does it show the other 5
13:36<ZeZu>here is one thing to think about
13:36<ZeZu>which partitions are logical?
13:36<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:36<ZeZu>since you can only have 4 primaries .. if it was logical, and its "parent" partition is still there..
13:36<kaneda>kop, so something interesting, now when it boots sometimes it stops the boot process while doing kernel stuff and asks me for a root password or ctrl-d to skip maintenance
13:36<ZeZu>you can certainly still dump it
13:37<kaneda>kop, what could cause it to stop boot to do this?
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13:37<kop>kaneda: Filesystem corruption.
13:37<kaneda>kop, fuckaduck
13:37<sna> /dev/sda6 was logical
13:38<alexus>Hi, can anybody help me with intell gma500, on dell inspiron mini 10, any links will be good too :)
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13:38<ZeZu>entirely normal that it can't find it then
13:38<kaneda>kop, now that is some seriously bad joojoo
13:38<Titan8990>sna, does it's extended partition still exist?
13:38<Titan8990>alexus, whats the problem?
13:38<kaneda>btw, it loaded all the local disks correctly this time, still missing one of the remotes though
13:39<ZeZu>anyone know about serial console on deb.?
13:39<kop>!tell ZeZu about ask
13:39<sna>Titan8990: just a sec... I didn't thought of it
13:40<ZeZu>kop, the (little bit) of the rest was already asked, to clarify: if it is enabled in the kernel by default : the hd-image kernel on i386
13:40<alexus>Titan8990 default driver - 800x600, but I know that poulsbo driver can give me 13..x768 which is better, but i not found in google info about it
13:40<kaneda>kop, i just thought about something, in the nfs options under fstab can i state timeo=timeout? will doing this assure that it waits for all disks to be loaded first?
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13:40<kop>ZeZu: Has been every time I've tried it.
13:40<kop>kaneda: Dunno.
13:40<kaneda>kop, i'll give it a go :)
13:40<ZeZu>kop: is ttyS1 the first, or is there a ttyS0 ?
13:41<ZeZu>maybe that is the issue, grub outputs fine, but when i boot the kernel i get no errors , just no more output at all
13:41<kop>ZeZu: IIRC you want tty0
13:41<kop>ZeZu: There's stuff in Documentation in the kernel docs.
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13:42<ZeZu>yes i read a bit, but when i couldn't get it working i figured i'd inquire or build one to test out real quick
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13:42<alexus>Titan8990 sorry for my english, i have no many practice in last time
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13:44<sna>Titan8990, ZeZu, here I am... this is my fdisk -l
13:45<ZeZu>ah that does indeed work
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13:46<Titan8990>am i reading that right? he has 5 primary partitions?
13:46<sna>and this was the fstab
13:46<kaneda>Titan8990, i doubt that very much :)
13:46<Titan8990>right... its not possible but there is no extended partition
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13:46<ZeZu>sure there is
13:46<ZeZu>/dev/sda4 17206 30402 106004902+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
13:47<kaneda>well there ya go
13:47<sna>if I'm not wrong sda5 and sda6 were both logical
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13:47<ZeZu>if you look at the offsets and sizes
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13:47<ZeZu>sda4 takes up the space where 5 & 6 are
13:47<ZeZu>if you "really" need to fix it
13:47<kaneda>so there's overlap
13:48<kaneda>that's a nono
13:48<ZeZu>just that the logical are part of the extended of course,
13:48<ZeZu>you can either backup all of sda4
13:48<sna>is it possible to fix it?
13:48<ZeZu>or you can manually specify to dd where to start at
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13:49<ZeZu>which would start where sda5 ends
13:49<ZeZu>sure you should be able to
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13:49<sna>because it's the first time I have this kind of problem...
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13:50<ZeZu>it "may" be as simple as editing the mbr in /sda4 and adding another partition using defaults
13:50<ZeZu>but i would certainly at least backup that mbr
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13:50<sna>then I save sda4 with dd to an external drive, then?
13:50<ZeZu>best case scenario that saves everything on sda5 and your old mbr incase something goes wrong
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13:51<ZeZu>looks like sda6 wasn't very large
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13:52<sna>more or less 50 GB
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13:52<ZeZu>are you sure ?
13:53<sna>maybe more... also 70GB
13:53<ZeZu>then somehow you may have resized sda6 over top of it, which doesn't explain how it overwrote its mbr entry
13:54<ZeZu>if you look at your paste
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13:54<ZeZu>sda4 (just a container) starts 17206 ends 30402
13:54<ZeZu>sda5 17212 30347
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13:55<ZeZu>the gap between start of 4 and start of 5 is to save mbr and whatever else
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13:55<ZeZu>the difference between end of 5 and end of container is only 55cylinders
13:55<sna>coud it be that it losts swap partition... sda5
13:55<ZeZu>each is 8225280
13:56<ZeZu>sda5 is swap????
13:56<sna>and sda5 is now what it was sda6?
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13:56<ZeZu>ok deff. backup all of sda4
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13:56<ZeZu>and then just try to mount sda5
13:57<ZeZu>btw, might just be personal preference, but i would advise not to put swap in a logical partition
13:57<sna>uhm.. ok
13:57<sna>gddrescue? ot ddrescue?
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13:58*ZeZu shrugs, ? dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/mybackupdevice/backup.bin bs=1M
13:59<ZeZu>the bs=1M should speed it up a lot, i conviently forget to do it once in a while and it makes things awfully slow on an operation that size
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13:59<the_hydra>ZeZu, AFAIK bs=32K is fairly sufficient
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14:01<ZeZu>the_hydra, your probably right, something that large though 1M won't hurt it to be sure
14:02<sna>just a question... what's backup.bin?
14:02<davi>How to get help with a deb package build error? (Such deb package is not yet in debian)
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14:04<ZeZu>sna: dd operates on block devices
14:04<ZeZu>if = in file
14:04<ZeZu>ot = out file
14:04<patrikf>I think I read on planet a solution to aptitude taking longer and longer to "load database". anyone remember what was it?
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14:04<sna>beacause it says
14:04<sna>dd: apertura di `/dev/sdb1/backup.bin': Not a directory
14:04<ZeZu>so your just telling it where to put the file, and backup.bin is just your filename, guess i should mention backupdevice you need to change to your path too
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14:06<sna>but it should create the file by itself...
14:06<sna>why the error then?
14:07<sna>dd: apertura di `/dev/sdb1/backup.bin': Not a directory
14:07<sna>"apertura di" is like opening or something similar
14:08<cahoot>you don't think you should mount /dev/sdb1 somewhere first?
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14:08<sna>is mountd automatically but it gave a sapce in the name
14:08<sna>is something like
14:09<sna> /media/120GB VER_
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14:09<sna>i'll unmount and remount where I like
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14:13<sna>ok, now it's working
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14:13<sna>next step?
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14:14<sna>and in the worst casae scenario, if I still have the problem and i juat want my *.ods back?
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14:15<bighornram>Is empathy compiled without yahoo capability? I have installed telepathy-haze and still no yahoo.
14:16<RaphaelBossek>hi all; I've a question about shell scriptin. I would like to save the columts of `dpkg-statoverride --list ` in different shell variables...
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14:16<ZeZu>sna: after it finishes, try to mount /sda5 and see what happens
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14:17<sna>It finished... O_O ... something is wrong with it?
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14:18<Titan8990>bighornram, iirc yahoo recently changed the way it's protocol works and may not be compatible with some applications
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14:19<ZeZu>sda, perhaps dd only copies the mbr if you point it as an extended partition ...
14:20<ZeZu>maybe you should specify the start position and end position
14:20<bighornram>Titan8990: it isn't showing up at all in the dropdown.
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14:20<Titan8990>dd will copy the mbr with: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=mbr.img count=1 bs=512
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14:23<ZeZu>Titan8990, he wants to backup an extended partition (and all of its logical sub-partitions)
14:23<ZeZu>it only copied 1kb
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14:24<jaimesilva>I'm having a really really annoying bug and I don't know which package to blame, whenever I close the laptop lid....
14:24<dli>Titan8990, mbr is not on /dev/sda1, but on /dev/sda
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14:24<jaimesilva>my keyboard gets scrued and starts sending ^@ caracters all the time to the console
14:25<Titan8990>dli, sorry, your right
14:25<dli>jaimesilva, choose, suspend, when lid closed :(
14:25<dli>jaimesilva, maybe, it's hardware, your keyboard
14:25<jaimesilva>In the graph desktop the autorepeat feature turns off and I can't type special characters
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14:26<sna>uhm... otherways... is there a way to find just a file? something similar to phohorec that rescues openoffice files?
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14:26<jaimesilva>and in the text console I can't login 'cause I keep getting ^@^@^@.... all the time
14:26<ZeZu>sna, do a : sudo mount | grep sda5
14:26<jaimesilva>I have to reboot in order to get everything back to normal
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14:27<ZeZu>sna, if that has no output its not mounted ...
14:27<sna>zezu it worked... what I've done now?
14:27<jaimesilva>dli: I have it configured to not suspend, only turn the screen off
14:27<ZeZu>but did it have any output ?
14:27<sna>it has no autput
14:27<ZeZu>ok, you can attempt to mount it if you'd like
14:28<ZeZu>sudo mkdir /mnt/sda5 && sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5
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14:28<ZeZu>if it mounts cleanly, then its likely you will still find your file there
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14:30<ZeZu>figured as much
14:30<ZeZu>do you know how large swap was ?
14:30<ZeZu>(for sure)
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14:30<sna>not for sure...
14:30<sna>more or less 1BG
14:30<ZeZu>then i deff. advise you to backup the entire thing
14:30<jaimesilva>this machine has been working fine for more than a year and the keyboard issue neve happened before :'(
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14:31<sna>all the disk?
14:31<ZeZu>all of it starting at sda4
14:31<jaimesilva>is there a clue on which package to blame? anyone? so I can go and check if there is a bug reported about it
14:31<ZeZu>you could use the same command with dd except on sda5
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14:32<ZeZu>if you do " man dd "
14:32<ZeZu>it will tell you whats going on w/ dd
14:32<ZeZu>if you add skip ( which tells it where to start on infile )
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14:33<ZeZu>then it will start wherever you'd like, you look at your fdisk -l output, see that sda4 starts @ 106004902 which is in units of 8225280 bytes
14:33<ZeZu>do some multiplication ...
14:34<ZeZu>starts @ 17206
14:34<rex>ok so i have two websites running locally, but how can i check if the rest of the world can see them? proxy browser?
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14:35<ZeZu>so start @ 134967MB
14:35<ZeZu>since skip works on your bs
14:35<ZeZu>you need to make sure to use bs=1M
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14:36<ZeZu>your cmd would look like : dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/speriamo/backup.bin bs=1M skip=134967
14:36<ZeZu>may delete prev. backup.bin first, otherwise it ought to just write over anyhow
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14:37<ZeZu>you could use
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14:37<ZeZu>dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/speriamo/backup.bin bs=8225280 skip=17206
14:37<ZeZu>which are the exact values, prob ought to do that if it works
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14:38<sna>i launched dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/speriamo/backup.bin bs=1M skip=134967 and now there is just the cursor blinking
14:38<ZeZu>do realize it will be a very large dump
14:38<ZeZu>it will take some time
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14:39<ZeZu>your dumping a raw copy of that entire partition
14:39<sna>so it's a good thing.. it doesnt give any output while it works...
14:39<stuckey>I tried to turn on compiz with "compiz --replace" but it didn't seem to work, and now I have no window decorations.
14:39<ZeZu>after its finished it will tell you how much it copied and the averaged speed
14:40<sna>then when may backup finished what can i do with backup.bin?
14:41<stuckey>anyone know how I can get back a window manager?
14:41<ZeZu>a: you will be able to rewrite it if attempts at fixing the problem cause more damage
14:41<ZeZu>b: you could use tools on the image directly, instead of the partition
14:41<stb>rex, you can use "The Onion Router" in package tor to get something like an external proxy
14:41<ZeZu>c: you could do your own legwork, and use a hex editor on it, and search for strings that were in the file your missing and find it like that fairly easily
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14:42<sna>still finished...
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14:47<ZeZu>doesn't seem right at all to me
14:47<ZeZu>it should have copied the rest of the disk
14:47<sna>me tooo
14:48<ZeZu>you can try the : dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/speriamo/backup.bin bs=8225280 skip=17206
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14:52<stb>sorry for interrupting, but a 'dd' copy might run into some file size limits depending on the target file system, it happened to me some time ago...
14:52<stb>4.3 GB looks just suspicious ; )
14:53<rex>how can i change my computer's name? (debian 5.03)
14:53<the_hydra>stb, i think you're right
14:53<ZeZu>yes something went wrong there, i'm not sure what kindof errors dd puts out
14:53<sney>edit /etc/hostname
14:53<the_hydra>stb, he should use filesystem which use largest page size available IIRC
14:53<ZeZu>or how much free space he had where it was headed,, he will have to investigate
14:54<stb>I took a look at the paste, "File troppo grande" means "File too big" : /
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14:54<jcole>so, i created a chroot and bind mounted dev/proc/tmp ... how do i kill only the procs started in the chroot?
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14:56*jcole thinks lsof maybe able to help LOL
14:57<sna>but I have a 120GB HD....
14:57<jcole>answered my own question :)
14:58<rex>i think i might need to rename my box to ns2 to maybe fix my dns problem, does anyone know how to rename?
14:58<stb>sna, some file systems (like ext3, FAT etc) impose a limit on the maximum filesize, like about 4.3 GB....
14:58<stb>rex, edit /etc/hostname and reboot
14:58<sna>so I have to format it differently
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15:11<lestellano>Hi, i accidently deleted the /var/lib/mysql folder/file in a debian install, anyone know what package i need to reinstall? i tried mysql-server no luck
15:11<stb>Does anyone know how to debug a 6to4 tunnel? I keep getting mtu/mss errors while browsing : /
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15:11<francesco>anyone remember how enable, in kernel config, the penguin/cpu at boot ?
15:11<weasel>lestellano: what happens when you purge the mysql server and then install it again?
15:11<weasel>francesco: framebuffer?
15:13<lestellano>weasel: nothing it doesnt solve the problem ( The server is still running) when i try to restart the server, it gives me an error: Stopping MySQL database server: mysql , df: `/var/lib/mysql/.': No such file or directory , /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!
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15:13<weasel>lestellano: kill the server, purge the package?
15:13<weasel>lestellano: I mean, all your data is gone anyway
15:13<francesco>weasel: i think
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15:15<stb>i believe as long as the mysql daemon is running, the files are not completely removed
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15:15<lestellano>weasel: ouch didnt know the databases were stored there. .... , to purge the package you mean this ? apt-get --purge remove mysql-server ?
15:16<weasel>lestellano: yes, or with dpkg
15:16<weasel>lestellano: (I mean, I'm just guessing here - I don't use mysql myself)
15:16<lestellano>stb, are you sure? what can be done?
15:17<stb>is the server running and or responding?
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15:17<lestellano>weasel: i use it for cacti only right now. stb: i dont think so , ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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15:18<lestellano>well, i guess i'll have to reinstall it
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15:19<lestellano>dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server , /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server is broken or not fully installed
15:19<jcole>apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server
15:20<lestellano>let me try that, never used ' --reinstall'
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15:20<jcole>lestellano: you should free up space first
15:20<jcole>lestellano: df -h
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15:21<lestellano>theres tons of space left 251GB on / no extra partitions
15:21<lestellano>im still getting
15:21<lestellano> /etc/init.d/mysql start df: `/var/lib/mysql/.': No such file or directory df: no file systems processed /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!
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15:21<jcole>lestellano: df -h /var/lib/mysql
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15:22<lestellano>Ok i tried to create the /var/lib/mysql directory (nothing in it of course) and now:
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15:24<mettao87>hi guys, I have a problem with the ffado installation. when I send scons in the terminal the result is: it says that there aren't some packages. I don't how to install these packages. Can you help me? thanks..
15:24<lestellano>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
15:24<lestellano>any ideas?
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15:24<jcole>lestellano: have you tried to purge mysql-server?
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15:25<jcole>lestellano: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
15:25<lestellano>i did a apt-get --purge remove mysql-server
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15:26<jcole>lestellano: all gone?
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15:26<stb>lestellano, i would restart the thing to ensure that there are no half-deleted files...
15:26<jcole>lestellano: remove any other mysql packages
15:26<jcole>lestellano: dpkg -l | grep mysql
15:27<lestellano>i'll stoped everything, purged, reinstalled,
15:27<lestellano>i'll delete all packages listed there jcole
15:27<jcole>lestellano: make sure you --purge those
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15:32<lestellano>wow, when deleting the mysql packages, apache, nagios,cacti, everything got removed, im installing everything again....
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15:33<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:38<lestellano>Ok mysqld is running ! thanks guys... Well cacti,nagiosql databases are gone but could been worse. thanks!
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15:42<capon>can somebody help me?
15:42<capon>I am trying to install a program
15:42<rex>what program
15:42<capon>it's a tgz file
15:42<capon>I extracted it
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15:42<capon>but i dont know how to use make install XD
15:43<lestellano>first run ./configure
15:43<sna>usually there is a readme file
15:43<capon>I am new on linux XD
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15:44<faheem>capon: check whether it is available in debian first
15:44<capon>when I type ./configure it seys bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
15:44<lestellano>what program you are trying to install, are you using debian? , try to apt-get install programname
15:44<sna>you have to be root
15:44<rex>what software is it? are there install instructions on their website?
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15:44<faheem>lestellano: he'll probably want to do s search first
15:44<sna>and to enter the folder
15:45<capon>I am trying to install a program called bluemaho
15:45<capon>it is a bluetooth pentesting tool ;)
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15:46<sun>hi anyone know how to get/send to/from an imap server? id like to use the nmh package, but i havent configured any email stuff in years. is fetchmail still the way to get email down?
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15:47<capon>in the read me file there is a configure part
15:47<dr|z3d>firebot: kb imap
15:47<capon>1. all configuration is in 'config' dir.
15:47<capon> 2. for using bluemaho propertly you need to build tools and exploits. check if you satisfy 'requirements' for bluemaho. then run ''. if you see 'Building complete!' message, than all went OK. if not - try to play around requirements.
15:47<capon> 3. 'default.conf' is a default configuration file, you can edit it if you need to change some options, path to files and commands used by bluemaho, theme etc. by default you don't need to change it if you do all from 'requirements' chapter. but, please, view it, for example just for setting 'user_location' variable for defining you location, which will be used for tracking function.
15:47<capon> 4. 'themes' - directory with themes for bluemaho GUI. You can set path to default theme with 'theme' variable in 'default.conf'
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15:47<dr|z3d>Doh. Wrong channel. Sorry. :/ *chuckle*
15:47*dr|z3d adjusts his glasses.
15:47<sna>capon: log in the terminal as superuser, then go to the folder and launch ./configure
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15:47<sna>then make
15:48<sna>then make install
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15:50<capon>so? how do I install it?
15:50<sna>open the terminal
15:50<sna>run su
15:50<sna>put the root pass
15:50<capon>i am in root
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15:51<capon>and the file is on the desktop ;)
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15:51<sna>got to the folder you have created uncompressing the file
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15:51<sna>somenthing like
15:51<capon>so i just type the file name?
15:52<greg1313>i need help with GNOME
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15:52<sna>cd /home/"username"/"folder name"
15:52<Supaplex>cd ~"username"/...
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15:53<sna>if is in the desktop it will be /home/"username"/desktop/"foldername"
15:54<capon>bash: /root/bluemaho-090417/: is a directory
15:54<capon>i am already in root
15:54<sna>you are runnig gnome from root? fool!
15:54<capon>i logged in as su
15:55<sna>is better not to do it...
15:55<sna>but now is the same
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15:55<sna>you have to run
15:55<capon>it is the easyest way for me right now XD
15:55<sna>su /root/bluemaho-090417
15:55<capon>i did it
15:55<capon>and it wrote
15:55<capon>bash: /root/bluemaho-090417/: is a directory
15:56<sna>mya fault
15:56<sna>cd /root/bluemaho-090417
15:56<sna>cd is change directory
15:56<capon>ok i'm in ;)
15:56<capon>and now?
15:57<sna> ./configure
15:57<sna>make install
15:58<capon>bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
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15:58<Supaplex>build as root? that's rarely needed.
15:58<sna>is there a configure file in the folder?
15:59<capon>i wrote it first
15:59<capon>just scroll up ;)
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15:59<sna>copy the terminal and paste it on
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16:04<sna>uhm is a python progam...
16:05<sna>you'd better find a tutorial or something similar...
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16:05<sna>not all the programs can be intalled with ./configure
16:06<capon>thank man
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16:06<sna>if you find a .deb package or a repository is beter
16:06<capon>and the ./configure would work right?
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16:06<capon>with a .deb file
16:07<sna>if you have a deb file you don't need to compile anything
16:07<sna>just run it with gdebi
16:07<Titan8990>python does not need to be compiled...
16:07<Titan8990>you likely just run it from the dir you unpacked
16:08<sna>try to run
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16:09<Titan8990>first you should probably edit the configuration file it tells you to edit
16:10<rex>(i got my dns & web server working guys, hooray)
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16:10<capon>this came out then I clicked on the file
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16:12<sna>I never used python...
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16:13<Titan8990>capon, honestly man, your not going to be pentesting anything
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16:14<aquarat>does anyone here have any experience with Debian on Sun servers ?
16:14<Titan8990>capon, pentesting is advanced stuff... you should first have a strong knowledge of linux
16:14<Titan8990>capon, your trying to run before you can walk
16:14<capon>i found something else
16:14<Titan8990>aquarat, sparc or x86?
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16:14<aquarat>ultrasparc IV+
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16:15<capon>titan, i have been pentesting for years on windows
16:15<aquarat>I have tried numerous debian images now...
16:15<Titan8990>I have an ultrasparc III but i didn't put debian on it
16:15<aquarat>I managed to get Solaris 10 installed two days ago
16:15<Titan8990>capon, right, and you probably know windows well
16:15<aquarat>after building a serial cable for ttya
16:15<Titan8990>i just used my serial cable for my cisco routers
16:15<locklace>aquarat: try describing the actual problem for a change
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16:16<capon>titan, I think so XD
16:16<aquarat>if I put in a debian cd
16:16<aquarat>the netinst cd
16:16<locklace>!space bar
16:16<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
16:16<aquarat>it boots, hits the silo bootloader
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16:16<Be-Willed>Hello guys, I need some help setting up a web server. I already installed apache, and when I go to http://localhost it says "It works!" Now I want to be able to access my computer over the internet. What should I do. Any help?
16:16<aquarat>if I press enter it spews out some info
16:16<Titan8990>capon, forget everything you know about windows, because its pretty worthless now
16:16<aquarat>it freezes at the line
16:16<auss81>hi, someone may help me with usbnet
16:16<aquarat>handing over console
16:16<aquarat>earlyprom0 to ttyS0
16:16<Titan8990>capon, start reading, using, and learning linux
16:17<capon>i've been pentesting on wireless systems a lot lately ;)
16:17<aquarat>I passed console=ttya at the bootloader
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16:17<aquarat>so I typed install console=ttya DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text
16:17<Titan8990>capon, you mean you have been illegally stealing other people's internet?
16:17<capon>sna, still there?
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16:17<aquarat>now it gets past the handover phase but outputs multiple kernel panics
16:18<aquarat>or what looks like a guy sticking his tongue out at me and waving his hands around
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16:18<aquarat>he thinks it's funny
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16:18<aquarat>i guess it kind of is
16:18<Be-Willed>Guys... any help with the webserver question?
16:18<capon>no, i've tested it on my own wireless connection
16:18<Titan8990>capon, you should be doing *everything* from the command line when pentesting
16:19<Titan8990>capon, thats why the application opens up in a text editor instead of being interpretted
16:19<capon>titan, your right, that's why i'm here :P
16:20<enderst>had to remove now apache won't start. where do i need to look?
16:20<aquarat>I've also tried "potato" release 2.2r7
16:20<capon>titan, p.s. no need to get angry XD
16:20<Titan8990>capon, there is also linux distros specifically for pentesting. "backtrack", and "pentoo". however, you will get banned if you go into either of their channels and display how much you have worked with linux
16:20<aquarat>lol @ pentoo
16:21<Titan8990>capon, I am helping, and much more than I normally would because i am bored, so you are lucky
16:21<Titan8990>aquarat, whats funny about that?
16:21<Be-Willed>aquarat read this
16:21<aquarat>I probably shouldn't say :)
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16:21<capon>titan, I've been using backtrack since it was in the 2 version XD
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16:22<capon>titan, but i sopped for a long time
16:22<aquarat>Be-Willed, there is no OS on the machine, apart from Solaris
16:22<Titan8990>capon, and you still don't know how to launch a python application?
16:22<capon>titan, and i forgot a lot of stuff :P
16:22<Titan8990>capon, you forgot how to use linux apparently
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16:22<auss81>someone know how to configure a usb0 network interface? :(
16:22*flippy10 predicts a kick in the near future/
16:23<capon>titan, I hate Windows XS
16:23<aquarat>I don't see how dpkg can assist in installing an entire distribution on a sparc based system
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16:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:24<capon>titan, a lot of costumers uses windows so I just left linux away...
16:24<sney>installing debian on sparc machines is actually pretty easy as I recall
16:24<aquarat>is there some sort of trick ?
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16:24<aquarat>maybe I'm doing something stupid
16:24<sney>burn the install cd, put it in, hit stop+a, tell it to boot from the cd, go from there
16:24<aquarat>there's the first problem
16:24<aquarat>I don't have a stop-a key
16:24<aquarat>I'm using a serial console
16:25<capon>gtg ppl
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16:25<capon>see you next time
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16:25<sney>serial console is kind of the same thing, I think. the command should be 'boot cdrom' or something to that effect
16:25<capon>thanks sna
16:25<aquarat>ctrl+b in gtkterm / break takes me back to the openbootPROM
16:25<sney>it's been a while but I don't remember it being hard
16:25<capon>ant titan
16:25<aquarat>boot cdrom boots the cdrom
16:25<capon>and titan
16:25<aquarat>it then goes through to the SILO bootloader
16:25<capon>ciao from italy :P
16:25<Be-Willed> I need some help setting up a web server. I already installed apache, and when I go to http://localhost it says "It works!" Now I want to be able to access my computer over the internet. What should I do. Any help?
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16:26<aquarat>which gives me the option to install, auto, rescue or expert
16:26<Be-Willed>anywhere to read?
16:26<sney>all stop+a does is give you the same obp prompt locally
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16:26<aquarat>at the moment, to boot from CD I interrupt the system using break
16:26<flippy10>Be-Willed: Google setting up a LAMP.
16:27<auss81>ok, can you tell me how to make "usbnet" work?
16:27<aquarat>the fact that it's dying with a kernel panic would probably indicate something a little more severe
16:27<sney>hmm yes I just scrolled up
16:27<bossekr>hi, which boot loader supports dmraid (software raid) ?
16:27<sney>what kind of machine is it?
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16:28<aquarat>it's a Sun fire V890
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16:28<aquarat>32GBs RAM, 8 dual core ultrasparc IV+ processors
16:28<sney>way newer than anything i ever worked on
16:28<aquarat>would you believe I picked it up in a junkyard
16:28<sney>is there an error before the guy sticking his tongue out?
16:29<flippy10>aquarat: That thing has got to be massive.
16:29<aquarat>it's big
16:29<sney>yeah I'd believe it, all of my sun stuff was garbage rescue as well and one time the bank offered to give me a SGI Origin 2000 for free if I could get it out of the building
16:29<ZeZu>a junk yard?
16:29<aquarat>and it really heats up the room it's in
16:29<aquarat>consumes huge amounts of power
16:29<aquarat>and sounds like a jet engine
16:29<aquarat>awesome sney
16:30<aquarat>I'm a junk collector :)
16:30<sney>I couldn't get it out of the building unfortunately. :(\
16:30<aquarat>this is the first sun server I've ever come into contact with
16:30<aquarat>lol @ size
16:30<aquarat>luckily I live on a farm
16:30<aquarat>I have space
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16:31<aquarat>I found two of these machines in this junkyard
16:31<aquarat>a friend of mine bought the other one...
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16:31<aquarat>error time
16:31<aquarat>I'll brb, gotta get my laptop
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16:35<aquarat2>...system is booting
16:37<aquarat2>it takes a while
16:39<aquarat2>at the silo prompt
16:40<aquarat2>cdrom was built on 20090905-2050
16:40<aquarat2>"boot: install console=ttya DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text"
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16:41<aquarat2>and death
16:42<aquarat2>[ 135.075337] Initializing cgroup subsys devices
16:42<aquarat2>[ 135.128627] Kernel unaligned access at TPC[46d24c] notifier_chain_register+0x10/0x38
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16:42<aquarat2> nautilus: fatal: open failed: No such file or directory
16:43<aquarat2>agh, disregard the libgnome error
16:43<aquarat2>wrong clipboard
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16:43<aquarat2>anyone got any ideas ?
16:44<aquarat2>there's lots of text
16:44<aquarat2>it produces an angry smily of doom three times
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16:47<KingKong2009>In perl how can I substitute spaces after the last delimiter ie given /home/kingkong/a b c should become /home/kingkong/abc?
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16:48<locklace>!dbugs 509202
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16:48<dpkg>#509202:N[linux-2.6] installation-report: sparc on Sun Fire V880 fails due to unaligned access (); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:48:01 UTC []
16:48<Titan8990>KingKong2009, #perl on
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16:49<flippy10>locklace: Epic win.
16:50<aquarat2>thanks locklace
16:50<aquarat2>oh wait
16:50<KingKong2009>Titan8990, I am trying to use it with the rename command, thanks will try #perl
16:50<aquarat2>I think I know the content of that thread
16:51<aquarat2>results in a suggestion that although it results in a kernel panic, it's probably a bootloader issue
16:52<Titan8990>KingKong2009, there is a single function that does it in python, im sure they will have something similar for perl
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16:53<aquarat2>mmm, I do have a gentoo CD lying around
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16:56<Titan8990>aquarat2, i guess we know what you will be doing for the next 5 hours
16:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
16:57<aquarat2>I really should get to bed
16:57<KingKong2009>Titan8990, the problem is I am trying to do this recursively ie. find | sort -r | xargs rename 's/expr/expr'
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16:57<aquarat2>but I'll probably spend 5 hours or more on this tomorrow
16:57<aquarat2>probably more
16:57<aquarat2>took 5 hours just to get the serial terminal going
16:57<aquarat2>total learning curve
16:57<Titan8990>KingKong2009, #bash :)
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17:00<sna>Hi all! I'm back here... under suggestion of zezu and Titan8990 I've made a backup of a partition with some superblock problems...
17:01<sna>now that dd has succesfully finished, how can I try to resume the partition?
17:01<aquarat2>welcome back sna :P
17:02<sna>or even i I can't resume it, I just need an important openoffice file stored in the disk...
17:02<sna>an *.ods
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17:03<aquarat>what's wrong with the partition sna ? is it corrupt ? what does fsck say ?
17:03<sna>the other things are not so important...
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17:04<sna>this is my fdisk -l
17:04<sna>it was the /home and was on /dev/sda6
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17:05<sna>it was a logical partition
17:05<aquarat>there is no /dev/sda6
17:05<aquarat>what happened to it ?
17:05<sna>good question!
17:06<aquarat>oh boy
17:06<sna>it could be that it shows only the extended partition with the 2 logical
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17:06<sna>sda5 was the swap
17:07<aquarat>you mentioned dd just now
17:07<dpkg>Gpart is a tool to recover the primary partition table of PC-type disk, packaged for Debian. It can also restore the types, sizes and locations of deleted partitions. Not to be confused with <gparted>. See also <testdisk>.
17:07<aquarat>what partition did you copy ?
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17:08<aquarat>testdisk's pretty cool
17:08<aquarat>along with photorec
17:09<sna>i tried both
17:09<sna>i really don't understand testdisk very much
17:09<sna>and photorec seems not able to find open office files...
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17:10<aquarat>did you try gpart? I haven't tried that software yet
17:10<sna>looking in the extension list i didn't find them
17:10<aquarat>and what did you copy with dd ?
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17:11<sna>all /dev/sda4
17:11<sna>dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/speriamo/backup.bin bs=8225280 skip=17206
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17:12<aquarat>I'm installing testdisk quickly
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17:15<aquarat>okay, unmounting an empty drive, deleting the ntfs partition, creating ext3, saving an ods file, will try and retrieve
17:16<locklace>that's support for you
17:16<locklace>he's hosing his own disk for you
17:16<aquarat>I have so many disks :/
17:16<aquarat>built a raid server recently
17:17<aquarat>with 10 1TB drives
17:17<aquarat>so got some spare
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17:17<sna>10 TB! Woah!
17:18<sna>Thak you very much for!
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17:18<aquarat>ok, file saved, device unmounted
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17:19*aquarat opens testdisk
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17:19*sna too
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17:20<aquarat>gpart is cool
17:20<aquarat>it's found the deleted partition
17:20<sna>i've just installed it
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17:20<sna>I'm reading the man
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17:23<sna>we will work on the partition or on the backup?
17:24<sna>EXTENDED PARTITIONS If the disk/file to be examined consists of primary partitions only, gpart has quite a good chance to identify them. Extended partitions on the other hand can result in a lot of problems.
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17:25<aquarat>on the backup
17:25<aquarat>the image
17:25<aquarat>but here's hoping it can work with an image :P
17:26<chealer>can Debian tell if an attached DVD reader supports dual-layer DVDs?
17:26<aquarat>it's probably not a debian issue, probably an issue with the disc writing software
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17:27<aquarat>sna, gpart seems to work quite well, it's recovered my lost partition
17:27<aquarat>try gpart -v /path/to/image
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17:27<aquarat>and see if it's happy with reading the image
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17:28<sna>is working
17:28<locklace>chealer: wodim -prcap
17:29<aquarat>the only issue now is when it wants to write the changes
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17:29<sna>work in progress
17:31*aquarat clicks
17:31<aquarat>bad blocks table, because it's expecting a partition table but it's been handed a logical partition
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17:32<aquarat>there's an entry in the man page regarding scanning images
17:32<aquarat>" -g Do not try to get the disk geometry from the OS. If the device is no block or character device but a plain file this option should be supplied. If the file to be scanned is an image of a
17:32<aquarat> disk, the geometry can be given by the -C option.
17:32<aquarat>but anyway
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17:32<aquarat>let's see what your attempt does
17:33<aquarat>gentoo is ready for sparc iness
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17:34<sna>once I tried sabayon... I can't get along well with portage...
17:35<aquarat>the last time I tried gentoo... was probably 5 years ago
17:35<aquarat>it was a painful process
17:35<aquarat>and I knew very very little about Linux at the time
17:35<aquarat>I still don't know enough :/
17:35<sna>sabayon is a quite smat distro... ways better then ubuntu
17:36<locklace>!start a distro war
17:36<dpkg>Debian Rulz
17:36<aquarat>ubuntu helped me get back into Linux... outside of using it for routers
17:36<sna>useful if you have a new pc and deb doesn't recognize 50% of the hardware
17:36<aquarat>lol locklace
17:36<aquarat>you know
17:37<aquarat>I have almost no hardware issues with ubuntu
17:37<aquarat>it's fantastic
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17:37<aquarat>I think the only issue I've had so far is scanner drivers... and that's because people have to reverse engineer scanner drivers for windows
17:37<sna>sabayon found me at first glance the video card and the audio card that ubuntu didn't...
17:38<sna>and installed me at first launch also compiz fusion...
17:38<aquarat>ubuntu has always detected my gfx and sound cards, but I generally use envyng to install ati or nvidia drivers
17:38<aquarat>at the end of the day
17:38<chealer>locklace: interesting. I might be going too fast, but does that actually say something about dual-layer capability?
17:38<aquarat>each distro has it's +s and -s
17:39<locklace>chealer: in the list of supported media types it spits out near the beginning, you should see DL types in the list if it supports them
17:40<sna>you know... I had a new laptop witho only Vista on it... it was frustrating
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17:41<chealer>locklace: I don't see that. do you?
17:41<locklace>chealer: you can also try hwinfo --cdrom
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17:41<sna>I needed a "fast-distro"
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17:43<sna>now with lenny i have a clear install, 6 months later...
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17:44<aquarat2>all I need... is something that 1) works on sparc and 2) has dpkg
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17:44<aquarat2>Fedora has a sparc project... but yugh... it's either Solaris or Debian
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17:48<chealer>locklace: aha, hwinfo mentions DVD+DL (though wodim didn't). thanks
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18:02<sna>aquarat, it seems it will take long... and here is about midnight...
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18:03<aquarat2>there's a utility for windows called getdataback... it often takes over 7 hours to scan a 160GB drive
18:03<sna>in half an hour ill'become a pumpink
18:04<sna>just to ask
18:04<sna>which are the next steps
18:04<sna>so i save the log and i'll try tomorrow...
18:04<aquarat2>two options...
18:05<sna>best case scenario, all goes well: what happends?
18:05<aquarat2>assuming it actually finds the missing partition
18:05<aquarat2>you write that image file back to a hard drive
18:05<aquarat2>scan that drive and include the -W /dev/yourdevice in gpart
18:05<aquarat2>s arguments
18:06<aquarat2>that will cause gpart to create a new partition table containing the missing partitions
18:07<aquarat2>sleep time
18:07<aquarat2>I'll just have to stick with solaris for now
18:07<aquarat2>night sna
18:07<aquarat2>good luck
18:08<sna>just a thing
18:08<sna>I'm trying to understand
18:09<sna>I have to write it in the old drive? it will not delete saomething?
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18:13<acu>I want to update fully from Lenny to Squeeze - I changed sources.list what is the command to completely upgrade
18:13<locklace>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
18:13<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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18:18<bighornram>does the current build of the squeeze installer provide ext4 capability?
18:19<sna>but I still don't believe in ext4
18:19<bighornram>sna: thanks
18:19<dr|z3d>sna: Since fsck checks now take seconds rather than minutes, I'm a happy convert. Ymmv. :)
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18:26<unbounded11>i have a problem and need some idea, i am a newbie and just installed debian, but i figure out that , my dual core 3 ghz cpu runs as 800 mhz all the time even i try to change it with cpufreq is this a kind of bug or? i am doing something wrong this is not a laptop so i don't need acpid what i have to do
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18:26<unbounded11>is default install btw
18:26<locklace>how are you determining that it runs at 800 mhz all the time
18:27<unbounded11>i do stress test with stress
18:27<unbounded11>and monitoring via conky
18:27<unbounded11>and cpufreqinfo same time
18:27<unbounded11>and it always stuck at 833
18:28<locklace>what kernel version
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18:29<unbounded11>default debian installation
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18:30<locklace>can you try a current kernel
18:31<unbounded11>this is not current kernel
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18:31<unbounded11>locklace, sorry friend
18:32<unbounded11>apt-get doesnot show me the net kernel aptitude search doesnot give me too
18:32<unbounded11>what i should do.
18:32<locklace>unbounded11: or rather
18:32<chealer>unbounded11: how do you try to change it?
18:32<locklace>unbounded11: download it manually from that page and install it with dpkg -i
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18:33<unbounded11>i am trying now download and dpkg -i
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18:34<unbounded11>then gona restart and check with stress and monitor with conky and cpufreqinfo
18:34<unbounded11>btw locklace how can i disable this acpid cpufreq module?
18:34<unbounded11>is it a must on 2.6.x kernels?
18:36<locklace>what acpid cpufreq module
18:36<locklace>that's just the name of the kernel driver
18:37<sna>eureka! gpart finished!
18:37<unbounded11>its a kernel module
18:37<unbounded11>and it makes the processor run as 800 mhz
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18:38<locklace>unbounded11: lsmod | grep cpufreq
18:38<unbounded11>yes its loaded module
18:38<unbounded11>i see it with lsmod
18:39<unbounded11>i want to remove it on startup
18:39<locklace>paste the output at
18:39<unbounded11>so it doesnot run and my cpu runs as 3.160 mhz
18:40<locklace>unbounded11: i don't even have that module. try again with the .30 image
18:40<sna>someone knows gpart?
18:40<unbounded11>locklace, where debian stores the modules
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18:42<locklace>unbounded11: /lib/modules
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18:43<do0ob>this package is broken, it causes the mouse to stop working xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.2.0-1_amd64.deb
18:44<do0ob>dmesg error produced by it: [ 320.428330] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1
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18:46<do0ob>reverting to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.1.2-1_amd64.deb fixed the issue
18:46<themill>welcome to sid
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19:35<diego>hi, Im looking for a program to monitor fan speed , have lm-sensors and sensors-applet
19:35<diego>but it only shows cpu temp
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19:44<diego>hi , anyone here
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19:45<jpinx-eeepc>mr Patience :|
19:45<arw>1 second... is a record :)
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19:48<__diego__>hi, anyone here?
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19:50<musca>__diego__: almost 370
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19:52<__diego__>hehe, I cannot get my fan speed anywhere
19:52<__diego__>i have lm_sensors
19:52<__diego__>but it will only show the temp of my cpu
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20:04<musca>cat /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
20:04<musca>status: enabled
20:04<musca>speed: 3103
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20:12<mjt>hm. Gnome has.. interesting effects when more than one user is logged in and someone presses power or sleep button.
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20:13<T_X>hi, is anyone familiar with encrypted swap-partitions + hibernate? on boot, my laptop is always complaining about not finding the decryption key
20:13<mjt>it enters sleep mode after confirmation just fine. But in 60 sec after resuming it enters sleep mode again after automatic timeout in second session.
20:13<mjt>after which (after second resume) first session also sees sleep button event. Ad infinitum.
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20:14<T_X>but I had put a little file under local-bottom and than also init-bottom, but both do not work. but the root-file system should have been mounted unil then, shouldn't it?
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20:15<sney>mjt: awesome
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21:13<rex>how do you restart php?
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21:17<faheem>rex: the php server?
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21:17<faheem>um, is there a php server, actually?
21:17<rex>yes, i installed curl and it wasn't taking effect. i think its working now actually but i still don't know how to restart the php server manually?
21:18<faheem>php is a language so probably not
21:18<rex>there is a php server running which allows php to work..
21:18<faheem>rex: really? ok
21:18<faheem>try /etc/init.d/php restart/start
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21:21<Woet>Whenever I su to a non-root user, it says 'I have no name!@myserver'
21:21<Woet>Any idea what causes that and how to resolve it?
21:21<Woet>apparently it has something to do with /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, but it's legit and has proper chmods
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21:22<gopp>hi in irssi, when I went to auto join channel i did that, but how do I tell it to auto display that auto joined channel
21:22<gopp>as the first screen and not motd
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21:23<silvering>hi guys
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21:23<silvering>cant remove getdeb repos, there're not in sources.list, how do i remove them?
21:24<faheem>silvering: pardon?
21:24<faheem>don't follow, sorry
21:24<silvering>my sources.list is empty, but when i run apt-get update it return this:
21:24<silvering>Err lenny-getdeb/apps Packages
21:24<silvering> 404 Not Found
21:24<silvering>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
21:25<silvering>and some other shits
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21:25<hugoxrosa>Somebody knows a good text explain how to configure hal, including touchpad?
21:26<imganquan>silvering: have you ever used other tweak software?
21:26<babilen>hugoxrosa: might be a start
21:26<silvering>only the getdeb site to install one game, and it install some getdeb soft dunno exactly
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21:28<hugoxrosa>babilen: thanks.
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21:28<babilen>hugoxrosa: Is there anything in particular you would like to do?
21:29<gsimmons>dpkg: tell silvering -about getdeb
21:29<gsimmons>silvering: Assuming you had previously installed the getdeb-repository package, either remove this or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/getdeb.list
21:29<silvering>also the .save?
21:30<imganquan>silvering: have you check the /etc/apt/sourcelist.d/ directory?
21:31<silvering>i was forgotten about it, but gsimmons remind me
21:31<silvering>should i delete and the
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21:32<hugoxrosa>babilen: I am interesting in learning. My touchpad start work diferent after a upgrade.
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21:32<babilen>hugoxrosa: I assume that you upgraded to squeeze?
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21:32<hugoxrosa>I think it is because of change from xorg.conf to hal. I use Debian testing.
21:32<babilen>that is correct.
21:32<babilen>!tell hugoxrosa about xorg config squeeze
21:33<hugoxrosa>I read how to config xorg.conf to ignore hal and back how it was.
21:33<kirby>Heeeeeeey guys! I am working on a buddys computer, he forgot his password and I need to reset his SAM file. I mounted his drive ( mount /dev/sda2/ /media/c -o force ), and Im trying to copy his backup sam FILE
21:33<hugoxrosa>But I would like to learn the new way.
21:33<kirby>via cp /media/c/WINDOWS/repair/sam /media/c/WINDOWS/system32/config/SAM
21:34<kirby>it works, but it dosent seem to SAVE the actual changes permanantly
21:34<kirby>How can I do this thru mount..?
21:35<babilen>hugoxrosa: If there is anything you want to configure tell us. Regarding the touchpad - have a look at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
21:36<kirby>any help would be appreiciated :x
21:36<babilen>hugoxrosa: You can place that file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it to your needs
21:36<kirby>are files copied through mount, permanant?
21:36<hugoxrosa>babilen: thanks
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21:37<kirby>is my main question. and if not, how can I save the changes?
21:37<hugoxrosa>so that is the path of config file of hal.
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21:39<hugoxrosa>with the example file will be easier to learn
21:41<hugoxrosa>babilen: the numbers in fdi filename works like init.d and rc.d files?
21:41<kirby>babilen: can you help me?
21:41<babilen>hugoxrosa: Just read the xstrikeforce link I gave you and come back if you have specific questions. If you want to try certain options, you can use synclient to set these. Reading the man page would be advisable as well.
21:41<hugoxrosa>babilen: ok... thanks again.
21:42<babilen>hugoxrosa: Have fun :-D
21:42<hugoxrosa>babilen: always ^_^
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21:55<arw>hello, some somftware such as bitpim but to gsm phones?
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22:41<kupa>hello everybody
22:41<kupa>anybody awake
22:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:42<kupa>ok, pretty straight forward
22:42<kupa>i am experiencing something very strange with conky
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22:42<kupa>namely it registers my swap to be 10.00 MiB only
22:42<kupa>weirdest thing
22:43<kupa>or maybe i haven't slept in a while and am missing something painfully obvious
22:43<kupa>anybody has any suggestions, extra questions that can cast some light on this problem
22:44<franki^>i'm no expert on conky, all that i know is my swap line looks like this "Swap usage:$alignr$swap/$swapmax" and works fine..
22:45<franki^>out of inteeest, which version of debian and conky are you using?
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22:45<kupa>here is mine 'troublesome' conky line
22:45<kupa>swap $alignc ${fs_used /dev/sda3} / ${fs_size /dev/sda3} $alignr ${fs_used_perc /dev/sda3}%
22:45<kupa>${fs_bar /dev/sda3}
22:46<kupa>i am currently running debian lenny 5.0.3 amd64/2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 kernel
22:46<kupa>conky 1.6.0
22:47<franki^>hmm, well, if i paste that line into my conkyrc i get the same 10MiB value..
22:47<kupa>so it's gotta be the line then :D
22:48<franki^>yeah, butit's still strange, i can't see why that would be the case, but conky has always been quite a mystery to me
22:48<kupa>strange are the ways of conky indeed
22:48<kupa>personally i do not see where the problem lies
22:49<kupa>but i too am no expert
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22:49<kupa>guess i'll just have to deal with this later or something
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22:50<kupa>thanks anyway :)
22:50<franki^>well, you could try just using $swap and $swapmax to try and get the desired result?
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22:51<kupa>let me try just that :D
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22:53<kupa>t totally worked :D
22:53<franki^>i'm glad to hear it :)
22:53<kupa>that was one quick and swift solution
22:53<kupa>thanks dude :D
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22:54<franki^>no problem, i'm happy to help
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22:54<kupa>but still....i have no idea why the original line didn't work....maybe some things are better left unanswered :D
22:55<kupa>and now finally to get some sleep
22:55<kupa>once again thank you franki
22:55<franki^>when it comes to editing my conkyrc i usually just sacrifice some chickens and hope it goes well
22:55<franki^>goodnight kupa
22:56<kupa>i like your style, gotta try that sometimes
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