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---Logopened Sat Nov 21 00:00:10 2009
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00:00<craigevil>my conkyrc has Swap: $swapperc% ${swapbar 6}$color seems to work just fine, without specifying the partition
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00:36<fredrick>does anyone know how to install nvidia drivers on debian 5.03?
00:40<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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01:00<another_sysadmin>how is everybody
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01:09<dpkg><linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje
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01:38<Snolan>Hello guys, can anyone help me through setting up a LAMP web server?
01:38<Snolan>I'm almost done just need some quick advice
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01:39<franki^>Snolan: ?
01:42<EagleRock>!tell Snolan about LAMP
01:42<EagleRock>that should be a good ref too
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01:45<Snolan> thanks alot for the link. I've done most of it, just need to learn how to access the server from the internet, not just locally.
01:45<Snolan>I'f I type in http://localhost everything works fine.
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01:45<Snolan>But If I type the computer's ip on the web browser nothing happenes
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01:46<Snolan>Any special terminology I can read about?
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01:50<franki^>Snolan: sorry, i'm not really sure, there are many things that could go wrong, none of which i'm expert in..
01:50<franki^>can you pung the IP at least? :s
01:52<Be-Willed>Im not really sure where to start. I think it may have something to do with DNS's
01:52<Be-Willed>What IP should I put in the web browser?
01:52<Be-Willed>the computer ip? the router's ip?
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01:55<jmarsden>Snolan/Be-Willed: Check whether the web server is listening on (binds to) the interface IP as well as to localhost. Does netstat -ntlp4 |grep :80 show the apache daemon listening on the interface IP?
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01:56<nima0102>I want to plat avi file with mplayer, which package does this codec have on Squeeze?
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02:02<imganquan> Hi all. Can I use aptitude to download the source file of a deb ? I mean is there any commmand equals Ambush
02:02<imganquan> "apt-get source packagename"? thanks.
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02:09<Snolan>Can anyone tell me how to port scan my own pc to know which ports are open?
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02:19<ansgar>Snolan: Just use netstat? netstat -tulpen should show all open ports.
02:20<ansgar>Snolan: (all ports an application in listening to, if you use iptables some might of course not be reachable from the outside)
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02:49<dbldtx>Is virtualbox faster than wine during use for one windows program?
02:50<overddose>dbldtx! can i haz another background?
02:50<dbldtx>If I needed .NET framework on wine and was considering winetricks, should I use virtualbox instead? ..and if I used virtualbox, would I need a copy of windows?
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02:50<dbldtx>Overddose, sure, what do you want? PM me
02:51<overddose>for virtualbox, you would need to have it on a drive...
02:52<overddose>windows that is
02:52<dbldtx>Oh gross, yeah I don't want to do that. Shiat.
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03:55<mettao87>Hi guys, I want to configure jack form source.. after ./configure it says ALSA support won't be build. (it says: false) I think I have ALSA installed, so I don't know why jack won't support alsa. Thank you..
03:55<stephane>Hello !! i would like to know if there is a graphical packages manager for KDE as synaptic ?
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04:12<cahoot>mettao87: doesn't jackd's source explain what the prerequisites are?
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04:14<mettao87>cahoot: now
04:14<mettao87>cahoot: no, sorry
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04:15<mettao87>cahoot: there is a jack version in the repository, but I need to configure from source.. so I don't know which are the prerequisites
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04:21<mettao87>cahoot: this is the pastebin of ./configure:
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04:23<cahoot> - the deps are lsted there
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04:24<mettao87>cahoot: thanks
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04:25<cahoot>mettao87: debian has tools for building packages - I'd suggest you learn how to use them
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04:26<cahoot>mettao87: read the contents of /msg dpkg ssb
04:27<mettao87>cahoot: ok, thanks
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04:33<scimitar>переходите на windows
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04:40<mettao87>bye guys.. thank you
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05:17<someguyinau>i have just installed lenny from CD using graphical install but the kernel hangs as it tries to load the video drivers
05:17<someguyinau>i can't boot in single mode either!
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05:17<someguyinau>can i use the install CD to update my kernel from unstable?
05:18<sychopx>help.... visudo doesn't exist!
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05:20<babilen>sychopx: Do you have visudo installed? Try running it with an absolute path (/usr/sbin/visudo)
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05:57<vecna>hello I got trouble installing wine
05:57<vecna>seems that the ppa link for wine repo doesn't work
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05:58<themill>vecna: Which release of debian are you using?
05:59<vecna>hmm ubuntu karmic koala
05:59<vecna>I guess I am the wrong channel
05:59<themill>vecna: you probably want #ubuntu on
05:59<vecna>ok thanks
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06:03<Garp>Question: what does vlan allow that simple ip aliasing doesnt to create two small isolated subnets from a single network card on my machine? (I would stick with ip aliases until there is some good reason). I plane to use a shorewall "3 interface wioth DMZ config". Thanks.
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06:35<luna>hallo freunde, ich habe ein asus x70ac-ty024 notebook gekauft und würde gerne wissen, ob man das WLAN gerät das eingebaut ist unter linux verwenden kann, kann mir da jemand helfen?
06:36<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:36<luna>automatisch hat lenny es wohl nicht gefunden
06:36<luna>asus x70ac-ty024v
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06:39<Erikinc>Hi. Trying to setup wifi with my D-link DWA-140 (usb stick). Followed instructions from, the rt2870sta module is installed, "lsmod" shows it's there (rt2870sta 413800 1), device is visible in "lsusb" with correct USB-ID as in supported list. Network: visible SSID 802.11g/n with WPA2-PSK and static IP. Only used etc/network/interfaces to configure it using wext driver and settings from README.modes
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06:42<Erikinc>(kernel 2.6.30-2-686)
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06:44<nitsu>i think u might need wpa-supplicant
06:44<nitsu>to connect to WPA
06:44<Erikinc>wpa-supplicant is installed and starts without (visible) errors on "ifup ra0 --verbose"
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06:45<Erikinc> etc/network/interfaces contains wpa-driver, wpa-ssid and wpa-psk info
06:46<nitsu>what distro is this?
06:46<Erikinc>Debian sqeeze (Off Snapshot i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20091120-01:12)
06:47<nitsu>ok, and what's the error? it doesn't connect or what?
06:47<Erikinc>based on that the LED on the USB-stick isn't even blinking would suggest that it's not even working (?)... when I used win or ubuntu it blinked all the time...could it be some driver error?
06:48<Erikinc>Yes, doesn't connect. But based on the LED and on the router logs it doesn't even seem to attempt to
06:49<nitsu>sounds like it
06:49<nitsu>if the device is not even enabled or trying to connect
06:49<nitsu>does dmesg show any message regarding this?
06:49<Erikinc>do you have to do seomthing more with the firmware other than the "aptitude install firmware-ralink"... it shows up in lsmod and modprobe rt2870sta doesn't report any error
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06:51<nitsu>dunno, never used USB wireless cards
06:52<nitsu>it seems that, when you plug the usb in, a orange LED should lit up, is that correct?
06:52<Erikinc>yes, on other systems it lights up right away
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06:53<Erikinc>demsg acctually contained a bunch of stuff... one second and I'll get you a link
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06:56<Erikinc>so firmware seems to be faulty? (never used dmesg before =P)
06:56<nitsu>RTUSB_VendorRequest failed(-110),TxFlags=0x0, ReqType=OUT, Req=0x2, Index=0x400
06:56<nitsu>that's not goog
06:56<Supaplex>!lart RTUSB_VendorRequest failed
06:56*dpkg pushes the wall down onto RTUSB_VendorRequest failed whilst whistling innocently
06:56<nitsu>should google for some of those strings and see what comes up
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06:57<francesco>i'm in trouble with kernel compilation
06:57<Erikinc>probably a good start =) thanks for your help nitsu!
06:57<nitsu>you're welcome
06:58<francesco>i have an asrock 330 with ion and sata bus ... i can't manage to have root filesystem boot up ( " no suncing VFS ecc.)
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06:58<[psyk]>1Ok, here's my problem: I installed truecrypt, then attempted to remove it with the rescue CD because it got screwed up. I paused the process, and lost the CD. Now my main partition is corrupt, and I need to wipe my HDD. How can I go about doing that?
06:59<francesco>i think i'm in wrong on bus support ( ide scisi sata )
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07:01<abrotman>francesco: so don't compile a kernel ?
07:02<francesco>nice solution
07:02<francesco>maybe i could have taken the old pc why one new ?
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07:02<francesco>or i could watch tv ( someone say me it have no kernel
07:03<Supaplex>or install potato
07:03<abrotman>why do you need a custom compiled kernel?
07:03<francesco>the question is how not hwy
07:03<francesco>1° bfs
07:03<Supaplex>!tell francesco -about kp
07:03<francesco>2° i want 4 fuckking penguin on the booy
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07:04<francesco>3° i want to take off all stuff i don't need from it
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07:05<nitsu>all valid reasons to compile
07:05<Supaplex>no support for penguin on penguin on penguin on penguin action on bootup. ;)
07:05<abrotman>no, the question is why .. because most people don't need to compile a kernel, but they do it anyways, and they don't know how and they spend two days looking at "Cannot mount root FS"
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07:06<nitsu>I believe the problem might be that support for your SATA disk is not added to initram
07:06<nitsu>but I haven't compiled a kernel in ages, so I am of no help, sorry
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07:11<nitsu>I have a weird problem myself and would like to know if anyone can help me...
07:12<nitsu>my Debian Squeeze box cannot be accessed via LAN (SSH, web, etc) unless I ping the other box from it 1st
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07:12<nitsu>This only happens inside the LAN. When I try to connect from the internet (from work) it works flawlessly.
07:13<nitsu>any hints?
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07:14<weasel>broken routes?
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07:14<weasel>broken firewalls?
07:14<valdyn>oh the vagueness
07:15<nitsu>on the client? or on the server?
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07:15<nitsu>on the server (Debian) I use ufw and have those ports open (SSH, web)
07:15<nitsu>ufw is just a front-end for iptables, really
07:15<weasel>disable your firewall completely.
07:16<nitsu>ok... I think I've tried that already, but let me try again
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07:18<nitsu>mmm... what was the iptables command to flush all rules?
07:18<valdyn>nitsu: how often do you find "flush" in the manpage?
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07:19<nitsu>got it.
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07:20<nitsu>ok... seems it works now. Thanks
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07:21<nitsu>I can't believe I didn't check this before. Sorry
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07:24<francesco>Supaplex: i'm know and a have all the stuff and i 'm able to compile it problem is to find the problem with sata cause the custom kernel boot stop looking for root VFS
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07:25<francesco>Supaplex: it is cause i'm not using initfs and i need that modules to be built in
07:26<gsimmons>Erikinc: rt2870sta is an experimental driver, try using kernel 2.6.31. Alternatively, the rt2800usb driver (in 2.6.31 and later) may be usable. Either will operate your device's LED as of 2.6.31.
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07:34<nitsu>weasel: yep, it seems the problem were some inappropiate rules in the firewall. thanks a lot.
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07:56<Erikinc>thanks gsimmons, I'll try updating the kernel
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08:01<Jowi>hello. I'm using fresh installed "testing". gvfs-mount is successful but $HOME/.gvfs is not populated. if I specify a mount location it does not get populated either. I can mount the samba share normally with "mount" as root - but I need to have normal users use gvfs-mount instead. Any ideas?
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08:02<Jowi>P.S. I am not using a DE
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08:09<linXea>Jowi, Mounting a folder using GVFS through DBus ?
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08:12<Jowi>linXea, ah, perhaps it's dbus that's not functioning. good point. will try with dbus-launch
08:14<linXea>Jowi, That was the first thought that came to my anyways... still should be a ~/.gvfs though
08:14*linXea is away: work...
08:14<Jowi>dbus-launch gvfs-mount is still successful. it creates .gvfs but no mount point...
08:15<abrotman>!tell linXea about away
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08:17<Jowi>if I manually remove .gvfs then gvfs-mount will recreate it in $HOME - mountpoint is still missing though. this is strange... perhaps the backend is having a faulty setting
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08:47<Erikinc>nitsu gsimmons: hey an update to kernel 2.6.31-1-686 seems to have solved the problem. LED active and router recognizes device =)
08:48<Erikinc>thanks alot!
08:48<nitsu>glad to hear that
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08:54<gsimmons>Erikinc: Good to hear. Please provide a follow-up to #553441 if you haven't already.
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09:05<Jowi>linXea, I found the solution. 1. add user to "fuse" group. 2. run as user: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-fuse-daemon $HOME/.gvfs 3. use gvfs-mount smb://path/path normally = mount point created. :)
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09:06<linXea>Jowi, Nice, I'll remember that =)
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09:45<wbin>i wan't setup a firewall,with is good who can tell me
09:46<wbin>who can tell me thanks
09:47<wbin>someone who can help me.thanks
09:48<nitsu>a software firewall? as in iptables?
09:49<wbin>iptables was dif to me
09:49<wbin>can you tell me a simple one?
09:49<nitsu>well, I use ufw which is a much simpler front-end for iptables
09:50<nitsu>but I think it's not in debian repositories
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09:51<wbin>thank you i will search it in google and i think is supped in debian 0 0
09:51<nitsu>well, I just check and it is in the repositories
09:51<TCW>OpenBSD! \o/ .oO( just to say something completeley unexpected )
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09:57<nitsu>openbsd is just as good... actually better... for a hardware firewall.
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10:07<TCW>nitsu, ?
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10:08<nitsu>TCW: well, I didn't exactly mean a hardware firewall, but another box with OpenBSD for use as a firewall
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10:09<wbin>there is a hardware firewall base on openbsd
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10:09<TCW>Hardware _based on_ software? SOmehow, sounds strange :)
10:10<weasel>.oO( the only hardware firewall I know is the AirGap 2000. Doesn't work too well with wifi tho )
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10:11<TCW>I would wonder if there is today ONE real hardware appliance (for whatever purpose) left
10:13<nitsu>guess most are just purpose specific boxes running some firewall software
10:13<TCW>It is just much cheaper to do it as good (but maybe not as secure, dunno) in software
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10:14<nitsu>well, if you have a router where you can install a linux firmware, I think that'd be cheaper and easier for a home LAN
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10:14<TCW>nitsu, yeah... and really funny of you find a atx board and a x86 CPU in it... but at least it has a spectacular casing! :)
10:15<nitsu>TCW: yes, besides, if it only runs as a firewall, you can get rid of many services that would present security issues
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10:16<nitsu>but then again, the weakest link are those services that need to be secure at all times.
10:16<TCW>Thinking about the gateprotect firewalls there. Someone from another channel bought one from a reseller for around 20 bucks last week, I asked him ti rip it apart and have a closer look... and what was it? a striped down Debian 4 :)
10:16<TCW>oh, and an intel desktop ATX board with a celeron P$ CPU
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10:17<TCW>P4 even
10:18<nitsu>hope at least they released the code and avoided violating the GPL
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10:20<TCW>so... hardware costs (apart from the real nice looking case of course) around 400 bucks most on the day built, but sold for 3000€ (no idea about the currency rate at that time, suppose something around 2000-3000 bucks)
10:20<Rhapsody>I've got a problem here with ALSA getting my webcam and sound card confused, so the webcam seems to be listed as the default output in preference to my sound card. I've looked into how to tell ALSA what order they should be in, but I've ended up confused and with and even stronger hatred of ALSA.
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10:21<TCW>nitsu, at least we did not find anything downloadabe source, but at least they stat "some GPL code included" or so
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10:22<TCW>Rhapsody, how did you try to set the order?
10:22<TCW>Rhapsody, and what is the current situation? What is confusing you?
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10:26<Rhapsody>I didn't try to set the order at all, I just left ALSA to do its job (badly). The confusion is that I was originally told to edit .asoundrc (which even the ALSA wiki admits is very difficult), then told to edit /etc/modprobe.conf (which doesn't exist on this system).
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10:28<Rhapsody>My sound card is actually my only sound output device and my webcam is my only sound input device, so this should be fairly simple.
10:29<Rhapsody>The webcam is actually connected to a USB port, not directly to the soundcard in any way.
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10:37<cahoot>Rhapsody: you want /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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10:39<Rhapsody>cahoot: Well that I do have, but I'm left with the question of what to do with it. I know what I want to do (I think) but not how to tell ALSA that.
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10:40<cahoot>Rhapsody: I'd suggest you give the soundcards module index 0 (and index 1 to snd-usb-audio) if you want the 'real' soundcard as default
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10:43<piero> /list
10:44<Rhapsody>Well I've now edited alsa-base.conf in a way that I hope will get the sound devices in the right order. So how do I restart ALSA to make these changes take effect?
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10:44<cahoot>(as root) alsa force-reload
10:44<cahoot>then cat /proc/asound/cards
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10:47<Rhapsody>Right, the crashed Amarok (which always crashes if I mess with sound) but did at least solve the problem. Thanks.
10:48<cahoot>Rhapsody: if you want the changes to survive future updates I think you should put the option linse in a file of its own in /etc/modprobe.d
10:49<cahoot>Rhapsody: like /etc/modprobe.d/myalsaoptions.conf
10:49<Rhapsody>So will I end up having to re-add the changes to alsa-base.conf?
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10:50<cahoot>Rhapsody: unless you create a 'private' file (AIUI)
10:51<peej>incrontab entry example: "/home/peej/fileexample IN_CLOSE_WRITE,IN_NO_LOOP /home/peej/scriptexample $@/$#" passes the $@/$# argument with a trailing slash. Is incron only for directories?
10:51<Rhapsody>I probably won't bother with that, it's a quick change to make.
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11:02<Rhapsody>The next thing I would want to try and do is get Skype working, but I'm not sure if I even care enough. It's only a problem because Skype is closed source and they won't make 64-bit builds or Linux builds that are anywhere near current.
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11:02<Rhapsody>But I have a webcam with audio input, and friends that use Skype.
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11:03<Rhapsody>I've also never actually confirmed that the microphone on my webcam even works, since nothing I've ever tried has got audio off it.
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11:03<dr|z3d>Rhapsody: You might try installing using Wine. Or failing that, use virtualbox/windows
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11:04<Rhapsody>I hadn't thought of using Wine (I'd probably want to install wine-unstable for that, since Wine 1.0.1 is VERY old), but I was sort of hoping to make the Linux build work, since I somehow got it working on Ubuntu.
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11:07<Rhapsody>Also, reports on the Wine AppDB for Skype are VERY variable, but generally not good. I don't see anything above Silver, and most are Garbage.
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11:09<Rhapsody>VirtualBox is an option, but my plan would be to use it like AIM, and VirtualBox eats up a massive amount of RAM just sitting there.
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11:11<Rhapsody>From what I can see, no method is going to be easy.
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11:12<Rhapsody>Maybe I should get my friends to use something else.
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11:16<jon_>Hey guys, I've noticed that the eclipse packages don't exist in the testing repositories. What is the recommended way of installing eclipse for java development on a testing system?
11:16<jon_>Should I download the deb and dependencies from the lenny repositories via the website and install them, or should I add the lenny repositories to my sources list?
11:17<Rhapsody>What would be the best Debian-friendly option for VoIP? I'd prefer something that works well with KDE, the main person I'd like to talk to is mainly using Windows 7 right now.
11:17<ottoshmidt>jon_, now on testing?
11:17<jon_>jon_, yes, I am on testing
11:18<abrotman>ekiga ?
11:18<jon_>ottoshmidt, I installed from one of the nightly build business card images
11:18<jon_>ottoshmidt, everything works great, but i cant find eclipse in the repositories, even though it looks from a web search as though it exists in both lenny and sid
11:19<ottoshmidt>jon_, I am on unstable and there is one
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11:20<jon_>ottoshmidt, i saw that in a google search, yes. but if a piece of software is not in you repositories, what is the reccomended way to get it? should i download it from the eclipse web site, from the lenny repos, or add another repo to my sources list?
11:21<ottoshmidt>jon_, I'd recommend to add sid repos rather then lenny's
11:21<ottoshmidt>but let me see them in squeeze repos as well
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11:21<jpinx-eeepc>ottoshmidt: that is really BAD advice
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11:21<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: consider backports and ssb
11:22<ottoshmidt>jpinx-eeepc, i don't think so, it depends on his need
11:22<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, is there any way that you could give my the sources.list line?
11:22<jon_>everything else in testing is fine for me guys, i just need eclipse to do some java dev
11:22<jon_>so if theres a good way to just get it and its dependencies, that's fine by me
11:22<jpinx-eeepc>!tell jon_ about ssb
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11:24<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, so i should add a deb-src line for the sid repositories then? i'll look into that, thanks
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11:24<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: follow the instructions - they worked well for me ;)
11:24<jon_>thanks jpinx-eeepc
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11:27<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, how do i assign a priority level to a repository so that aptitude prefers it over another?
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11:30<eloops>- /dev/md5 is reaching full capacity, how do I find large files only in that drive? ???
11:30<dr|z3d>jon_: Use synaptic. Easiest way.
11:30<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: I don't know - check with man aptitide, etc
11:30<Lethalman>jon_, use APT-Default-Release
11:30<Lethalman>in apt configuration
11:30<Lethalman>I'm sorry you said repository
11:30<Lethalman>my fault
11:31<jon_>thanks guys. im going to try the deb-src for sid first, and see where that gets me
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11:37<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: follow the ssb instructions ;)
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11:38<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, i am. it seems to be working, but eclipse and all of its dependencies required 150+ MB of packages
11:39<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: yes - you are basically building the complet package+dependencies and it can be a lot
11:39<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, ive noticed lol
11:39<Rhapsody>Great, so Ekiga won't work either. I'm online, but the services just says "User not available" and the echo chamber call ends as soon as it starts.
11:40<jpinx-eeepc>jon_: it's worth pausing int he process and reading through what it is trying to do - make sure it won't screw with anything your current system can not deal with - like alter versions of libs
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11:40<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: I use linphone - works a treat
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11:41<Rhapsody>jpinx-eeepc: I'm trying to talk to a Windows users.
11:41<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: that's his problem ;)
11:42<Rhapsody>It's my problem too now.
11:42<Rhapsody>Besides, Ekiga not working is a problem by itself.
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11:44<Rhapsody>Well it says "Could not register (unauthorized)" if I really dig down and force the truth out of it.
11:44<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: I gave up with ekiga - though I know other folks have got it to work
11:44<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: did you vreate your account?
11:45<Rhapsody>Yes, just before I started this. They should've sent me a confirmation email, but I see nothing. I was angry enough that they insisted on a first and last name for no good reason. KDE-Look did that too, hence my account page having "FUCK YOU" at the top ever since.
11:46<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: sounds like you don't have an account
11:47<Rhapsody>Well that's news to me, I just registered it and got a page with my details on it.
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11:47<jpinx-eeepc>Rhapsody: but you didn't get the confirmation email
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11:48<jpinx-eeepc>so it's not confirmed :p
11:48<Rhapsody>Oh for the love of fucking God. I got an extra letter in the email field.
11:48*jpinx-eeepc takes a pot-shot at Rhapsody with a shot gun
11:48<Rhapsody>So now do I have to register a whole new account? I guess I do. I guess I fucking do. Thank you Ekiga, thank you for making this so damn easy.
11:48<peej>incrontab entry example: "/home/peej/fileexample IN_CLOSE_WRITE,IN_NO_LOOP /home/peej/scriptexample $@/$#" passes the $@/$# argument with a trailing slash, ie, /home/peej/fileexample/ This is a bug, right?
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11:55<peej>ah. not a bug. $@ is full path, $# is an event-related file name, whatever that means.
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12:07<jon_>jpinx-eeepc, that method that you showed me - it's last step says to 'install the resultant debs.' It's still compiling right now, but out of curiosity, where will these debs be located on my system?
12:09<jpinx-eeepc>in whatever dir you are in when you did the commands
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12:11<eloops>thanks all
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13:01<bighornram>I have a new squeeze amd64 install, sound settings don't stay when I change. upon boot sound level is at 0 and muted. any ideas how to fix this?
13:02<cahoot>alsa-utils installed?
13:03<cahoot>that's the problem then I'd guess
13:04<bighornram>I take that back, it is installed
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13:05<cahoot>alsa-utils is upposed to be run at boot - unmutes and sets levels
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13:09<Rovanion>Can you recommend any way to get hold of Chromium for Lenny?
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13:10<Rovanion>All .debs I can find are for Ubuntu, could these work for Lenny?
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13:15<bighornram>cahoot: I don't know if alsa-utils is running at boot. I don't have alsaconf and can't seem to find that either.
13:15<cahoot>alsaconf is obsolete
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13:30<lucien>Hi, I can't manage to have LXDE start Iceweasel in full screen
13:30<lucien>I wrote in lxde.rc.xml, but no way
13:31<lucien>I then right clicked in the desktop "Reload config file", but it doesn't change anything
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13:36<lucien>Hi, I can't manage to have LXDE start Iceweasel in full screen
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13:36<lucien>I wrote in lxde.rc.xml, but no way
13:36<lucien>I then right clicked in the desktop "Reload config file", but it doesn't change anything
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14:05<grondilu>why my console keeps saying "you have new mail" on startup although everything has been red ??
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14:10<boman>I updated my lenny box to squeeze by changing lenny to squueze in sources.list, everything went well, then I rebooted, selected chainboot to grub 2 and now I get a bunch of fsck errors on my root which has worked like a charm before, is this some common problem or just a coincidense?
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14:15<boman>Actually it's 2 drives, is this some sort of bug that's common or did 2 of my drives die on me on the same time as I updated my system? (which sounds a bit wierd)
14:15<boman>I'm using 2.6.30-2.
14:16<TwoFlex>is squeeze coming with the 2.6.32 version?
14:16<TwoFlex>the stable realese
14:17<jackyf>TwoFlex: yes, 2.6.32 is planned for Squeeze
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14:18<TwoFlex>jackyf, do you have a prevision? march?
14:18<abrotman>a what?
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14:19<TwoFlex>for the stable realese?
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14:20<abrotman>TwoFlex: the squeeze release is planning to use a 2.6.32 kernel .. what more do you want to know ?
14:21<TwoFlex>abrotman, when is the stable version going to be realesed :P
14:22<abrotman>when it's ready .. not before
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14:22<Xenguy>.oO(no wine before its time)
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14:22<TwoFlex>abrotman, tks ;)
14:23<TwoFlex>abrotman, I'm new at Linux, and I choose Debian and I'm loving it :P
14:24<Xenguy>.oO(Debian - the lazy admins guide to running linux :P )
14:24<TwoFlex>Debian rocks dude
14:24<Xenguy>TwoFlex: absolutely agree
14:25<Xenguy>install and snooze - it just works
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14:40<kalo>buen dia
14:40<kalo>como configuro la tarjeta de ethernet
14:42<cocolocko>kalo creo nadie te va a dar una respuesta por que estas en el chat de ingles, amigo
14:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:43<kalo>y en el de español tampoco me contestan
14:43<kalo>bueno gracias
14:44<cocolocko>voy a probar te ayudar en el channel de espanol
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15:12<TwoFlex>always connecting and disconnecting
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15:19<Rovanion>I'm encountering some issues when trying to get my DWL-650+ with a ACX111 chip working fallowing this: . I get the respond that there are no wireless extensions when running iwconfig.
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15:23<joshz>is here one
15:23<joshz>hallo jemand da
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15:24<abrotman>lots of people .. ask bleh
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15:29<guilherme>when i type glxinfo | grep -i "direct rendering" i got:
15:29<guilherme>No protocol specified
15:29<guilherme>Error: unable to open display :0.0
15:29<guilherme>debian:/home/guilherme# glxinfo | grep -i "direct rendering"
15:29<guilherme>No protocol specified
15:29<guilherme>Error: unable to open display :0.0
15:29<guilherme>what i need to do to correct it?
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15:39<simonrvn>um, you type that in x....
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15:49<chealer>guilherme: run it as the user which has the X session
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15:50<guilherme>chealer: sory, how? i dont understand. i run at konsole.
15:51<chealer>guilherme: as which user did you login to KDE?
15:52<guilherme>now it works
15:52<guilherme>i was trying as a root
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15:54<guilherme>chealer: but it shows direct rendering: Yes , and it is good, but when i start my debian they show an strange image, like some sqares
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15:54<guilherme>chealer: is it normal?? how can i fix it?
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15:55<stack_>hi, was --added-patches removed from make-kpkg options?
15:55<stack_>I'm using squeeze.
15:55<DebZhila>hmm... I wonder if I'm having the same issue as guilherme....
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15:57<guilherme>but i have installed the squeeze today. and with lenny the image is diferent, not squares just some pixels (has a small pattern)
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15:57<chealer>guilherme: I don't know, ask the channel
15:59<guilherme>chealer: ok, thanks, my video is working, and this is not a problem, because it appears only before the login.
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15:59<guilherme>chealer: thanks very much
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16:05<davi>What packages to install in amd64 architecture, to be able to run Google Earth, which is a i368 apps?
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16:07<GameOver>alguem do brazil?
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16:08<rovanion>I'm trying to get my wireless pcmcia card working fallowing the debian guide for my chipset but when I run iwconfig I get the awnser that there are no wireless extensions. wlan0 is not listed. What do I do?
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16:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:10<GameOver>abrotman vc eh br?
16:11<faheem>rovanion: you'll have to give more details about the card and the guide you are using
16:12<rovanion>faheem, The card is a DWL-650+ with the chipset acx111 and the guide is
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16:15<faheem>rovanion: you've installed the firmware, right?
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16:15<Event-Horizon>Hi everyone. I've got a question on what's the difference between changelog.gz and changelog.Debian.gz files included in every Debian package. I read that changelog.gz contains info from upstream authors and changelog.Debian.gz only Debian specific info. Is this right?
16:16<rovanion>faheem, Yup, I've tried the two different that are for my card
16:16<faheem>Event-Horizon: the debian changelog is the record of the package versions that appeared in debian
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16:16<faheem>rovanion: there are two different firmwares?
16:17<rovanion>faheem, Two different versions is a more correct description
16:17<faheem>rovanion: and you compiled an external kernel module, using m-a or something?
16:18<rovanion>faheem, The firmware was installed with wget -P and the driver was installed with m-a
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16:19<faheem>rovanion: the firmware doesn't exist in debian, then.
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16:20<faheem>rovanion: what did you get it from?
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16:20<rovanion>faheem, It does not by default I suppose. But the installation process is explained at
16:21<faheem>rovanion: and is the system seeing the card?
16:21<rovanion>faheem, lspci lists the card yes.
16:21<faheem>rovanion: what do the logs say?
16:21<rovanion>It appears when plugged in and disappears when unplugged
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16:24<faheem>rovanion: i assume you are sure you have the right chipset for the card?
16:24<rovanion>faheem, I'm not sure if I can see any errors related to the card in dmesg, pastbining it:
16:25<faheem>rovanion: also check /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog
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16:25<faheem>there is some reason why different messages appear in different places, but can never remember what they are
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16:26<rovanion>faheem, I've asked some automated debian resource and from my lspci -n it judget this was the chipset. Will check those logs too..
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16:28<faheem>rovanion: don't see anything in dmesg
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16:28<rovanion>how do I get the last lines out of /var/log/messages?
16:29<faheem>rovanion: i'd expect to see something when the module is loaded
16:29<faheem>rovanion: you could use tail
16:29<faheem>tail -f ...
16:29<faheem>something in the logs, i mean
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16:29<faheem>rovanion: what does lsmod say about that module?
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16:31<rovanion>it lists three things, acx, firmwar_class and usbcore
16:31<faheem>i mean, is it being used?
16:31<faheem>rovanion: pastebin it.
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16:31<faheem>i hate this thing.
16:31<faheem>popup ads, evil
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16:31<faheem>rovanion: use
16:32<faheem>!tell rovanion about paste
16:32<rovanion>I never noticed, good job Ad-block
16:32<faheem>two popup ads, with audio, yet
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16:33<rovanion>faheem, I never get those tells btw
16:34<rovanion>faheem, Not that I don't understand them but I never get any message from dpkg
16:35<faheem>rovanion: oh, ok.
16:35<faheem>just msg dpkg, then do - paste
16:35<faheem>or whatever
16:35<faheem>rovanion: what do those ads say?
16:35<faheem>sorry, the logs
16:36<rovanion>faheem, Oh my IRC view was scrolled up, sorry to keep you waiting
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16:39<rovanion> and this is /var/log/messages
16:39<faheem>rovanion: that all looks like eth0 stuff
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16:39<faheem>rovanion: allows annotations. handy feature
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16:40<rovanion>faheem, Annotations? Pardon my vocabulary
16:40<faheem>rovanion: you've added an entry for wlan0 i take it?
16:40<faheem>rovanion: if you go to you'll see
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16:41<rovanion>faheem, I have no idea where I should have made an entry for wlan0, the wiki told me none of that.
16:41<faheem>to /etc/network/interfaces?
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16:41<faheem>rovanion: you'll need to add an entry to /etc/network/interfaces for the interface
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16:41<rovanion>faheem, Is this where I apolegise for taking up your time? :-P
16:41<faheem>rovanion: pastebin your current interfaces file in
16:41<faheem>i'll annotate it
16:41<faheem>rovanion: no problem
16:42<rovanion> faheem
16:43<faheem>rovanion: check out a general networking guide for debian - should talk about such things
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16:45<faheem>just add an extra stanza to the file, but replace with wlan0
16:45<faheem>then try: iwconfig
16:45<faheem>and/or ifup wlan0
16:46<faheem>the experts here can probably advise whether the syntax in interfaces is correct, but you certainly need wlan0 in there
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16:47<faheem>ifconfig wlan0 up <- as suggested by the wiki will probably also work, but i don't usually do it that way
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16:47<rovanion> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device with ifup wlan0. The other commands does not work either
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16:48<sacarasc>Greetings. Can I one the install disk as a boot disk and if so, how?
16:48<faheem>rovanion: hmm. do the logs say anything?
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16:49<faheem>rovanion: check out
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16:49<faheem>rovanion: i've used wpasupplicant before, but not sure if it always necessary
16:49<rovanion>faheem, The only one that mention something related is syslog but that was about the DHCP client..
16:50<dzonatas>Hello. I tried to switch nvidia drivers from the nvidia-way to the debian-way, and everything appears to work except when it uses 32bit libs on my Debian Lenny AMD64. Any idea? (this worked fine with the nividia-way) Here is the procedure I used to install the debian-way:
16:50<faheem>do you have this installed?
16:50<faheem>rovanion: ^^
16:50<faheem>guys, is wpasupplicant always required for wireless cards?
16:50<rovanion>faheem, If it's not installed by default I don't. Will read the guide now
16:50<dzonatas>(my bad) last link i posted should be:
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16:52<rovanion>faheem, Ohh that guide stops at the top; Once your wireless device has an interface, verifiable with iwconfig.
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16:52<babilen>faheem: only if you want to connect to encrypted networks. But i would pretty much recommend using it for unencrypted as well, because it eases the configuration. That - however - is not true if NetworkMangler or wicd is used
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16:53<faheem>rovanion: what is iwconfig saying now?
16:54<babilen>rovanion: What kind of card do you have. I had to include pre-up ip link set wlan0 up & in /e/n/interfaces to get rid of an error like that
16:54<rovanion>it only reports that lo and eth0 has no wireless extensions. wlan0 is not mentioned
16:54<faheem>rovanion: maybe start with
16:55<rovanion>babilen, It's a DWL-650+ with the acx111 chipset
16:55<faheem>rovanion: right, wpasupplicant isn't going to help if your device is not recognized
16:55<faheem>sorry for the confusion
16:55<rovanion>faheem, No problem at all
16:56<babilen>rovanion: Ok, never used that. So I am not sure what the issue is. (and i joined pretty late)
16:56<rovanion>babilen, I have manually added wlan0 to /e/n/intefaces
16:57<faheem>babilen: maybe check his interfaces config is correct?
16:57<babilen>faheem: I'll have a look. Where is it?
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16:57<rovanion>babilen, is what I use now
16:58<faheem>babilen: thanks
16:58<babilen>rovanion: Not much there :-) But it should be OK for the beginning.
16:58<babilen>rovanion: Give ma a second.
16:59<rovanion>I was fallowing this guide when I reached iwconfig and got the errors
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17:00<babilen>rovanion: I am jsut reading that page. :-) . I assume that you installed the firmware and driver, correct?
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17:01<rovanion>babilen, There was no errors displayed during the install and I have went trough the steps two times
17:01<babilen>could you run "modprobe -r acx && modprobe acx" and paste the output of "dmesg | tail -n 20"
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17:02<babilen>dzonatas: Sorry, no idea. But the follwoing *might* help:
17:02<babilen>!tell dzonatas -about nvidia
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17:04<babilen>dzonatas: But the guide you linked to details pretty much the same steps AFAICS
17:04<rovanion>babilen, This should be as many lines as I could fit on the screen, seemed unable to scroll up.
17:05<babilen>rovanion: run "dmesg | tail -n 20" the next time (that will just give the last 20 lines)
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17:06<rovanion>babilen, I did exactly that, but there's something odd with my konsole. Restarting it
17:06<babilen>rovanion: Ok, the error is found. You need to install the "tiacx100" firmware.
17:06<faheem>rovanion: excellent.
17:06<faheem>looks like is trying to load
17:06<faheem>you need to fix your firmware
17:06<babilen>Now we only need to find out how to install that firmware.... Everybody to the wiki!
17:06<dzonatas>babilen: Thank you for the reply!!! I tried the wiki (noted by dpkg) and haven't seen that error, not even a google search finds something related. *sigh*
17:07<dzonatas>I might try to switch back to the nvidia-way and see if it suddenly works again or not
17:08<babilen>dzonatas: Sorry.... I have *never* used nvidia, so I can't really help you. There might be someone in #debian on freenode ..
17:08<rovanion> is the wiki I fallowed. Is there anything else than the oneliner listed there needed?
17:08<faheem>rovanion: what firmware do you currently have installed?
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17:09<babilen>rovanion: or what is the content of the /lib/firmware directory?
17:09<rovanion>tiacx111, should go for acx100 then
17:09<babilen>rovanion: That might be a good idea... :-)
17:09<rovanion>now that you say it. If it tiacx100 that was needed.
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17:10<rovanion>Wierd, the channelbot along with an online tool told me that it should be the tiac111.
17:10<babilen>rovanion: dpkg in here?
17:11<rovanion>babilen, Yup
17:11<babilen>rovanion: which factoid?
17:11<rovanion>babilen, Pardon?
17:11<babilen>rovanion: What did you ask dpkg about to get the wrong reply?
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17:11<faheem>rovanion: he means, what did you type?
17:11<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx driver. Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions are at , see also Debian bug #532787. Also me about <acx100 firmware>. This driver does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: #acx100 on
17:12<babilen>^^^ that one?
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17:12<dpkg>The DWL-650 is a model of (at least five) wireless LAN PC Card devices produced by D-Link. Ask me about <what's my wireless> to identify the chipset within, then ask about either <hostap> or <rtl-wifi>. Revision P1 uses SSF (Small Serial Flash), which does not contain firmware on the card; ask me about <prism firmware>.
17:12<rovanion>fallowed that road
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17:13<babilen>rovanion: So it was hwinfo that told you about the wrong firmware?
17:13<babilen>rovanion: Anyway run "wget -P /lib/firmware" as root and everything should be fine
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17:13<rovanion>babilen, That might have been it. I was linked on to a site where I pasted my lspci -n and that told me the chipset
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17:14<babilen>rovanion: Ok, the best idea with firmware related issues is always to try loading the module and check dmesg which specific firmware was requested.
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17:15<babilen>rovanion: After that oneliner run "modprobe -r acx && modprove acx" again and everything should be fine.
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17:16<rovanion>Phew, okey I will continue to fallow the guide from there and reboot as requiered
17:16<faheem>babilen: the module should be loaded automatically when requested?
17:16<babilen>rovanion: reboot is not needed?
17:17<dzonatas>babilen: I just switched back and it worked. I think it is because the nvidia-way install the 32bit compatible GL libs, while nvidia-glx only installs the 64 bit version.
17:17<rovanion>babilen, It says that I should probe it and then reboot, well it psuedo does
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17:18<babilen>faheem: Hmm, right. I don't think so. I guess we have to enter that in /etc/modules
17:19<faheem>babilen: sometimes that works. the debian package may have added something in /etc/modprobe.d
17:19<faheem>rovanion: check and see if the driver package has any modprobe stuff
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17:19<faheem>which will handle loading of modules
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17:20<rovanion>GAH! It did not work. iwconfig gives me the same error. Pasting dmesg...
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17:21<rovanion> It seems like it's exactly the same error
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17:22<babilen>rovanion: and the firmware is within /lib/firmware ?
17:23<faheem>rovanion: is the other firmware still there?
17:24<rovanion>odd, tiacx111 is there. No the correct firmware seems to be missing. I think the firmware you linked was for usb devices
17:24<faheem>rovanion: that wiki page you looked at should have the info
17:25<babilen>faheem: it was the wrong firmware. :-( sorry rovanion
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17:25<babilen>there are multiple ones and that particular we download is the usb one, which was not requested.
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17:25<rovanion>I'm looking into it. Seems to be one firmware image for the chip but two different for the radio
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17:27<babilen>rovanion: You most definitely need a file named "tiacx100" but i am not sure which version over there...
17:27<rovanion>Got a tar package from the site. Can I simply paste the files into /lib/firmware?
17:27<babilen>rovanion: ah, what the hell. Just download them all, try one by one and one will work eventually :-)
17:27<babilen>rovanion: I guess so. Does it contain the complete set of firmware files they supply?
17:28<rovanion>It contains a number of files that have the right names, in different folders. Going to try my options
17:29<babilen>rovanion: I guess you have to try the files one by one... where did you found the link to the tar ball?
17:29<babilen>s/found/find ;-)
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17:31<rovanion>What do I do when I want to open up ark as su but when I try it does not connect to the x server? Oh, why don't I simply use sudo?
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17:31<babilen>rovanion: ark?
17:32<rovanion>babilen, KDE .tar handler
17:33<babilen>rovanion: Ah! yeah, the name is pretty kdeish... just unpack the file in you home and copy it over in a console.
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17:33<rovanion>Well that didn't work either. Brb
17:33<babilen>rovanion: This hassle reminds me of old times when you had to try really hard to get bradcom cards working.
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17:34<faheem>rovanion: tar zxvf *.tar.gz
17:34*babilen thinks ..oO( If none of the files work i have no idea anymore )
17:34<faheem>i am sure it will work
17:36<babilen>I hope so. One of the firmware files will be the right one. But that is a really stubborn card
17:36<davi>Any success installing Google Earth 5.1 on Debian Lenny (amd64)?
17:37<babilen>davi: why don't you try it?
17:37<rovanion>I need to pick a specific file out of the .tar, how do I do that with tar?
17:38<davi>babilen, I have tried, but I did not manage to get it working: Last error was /google-earth/ undefined symbol: _ZN11QTreeWidget17setSelectionModelEP19QItemSelectionModel
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17:38<babilen>rovanion: Just unpack the tarball with the command faheem gave you *in your home/download/whatever* and then copy the files over on the console
17:38<faheem>rovanion: check first that the tarball unpacks in its own directory
17:38<faheem>rovanion: less *tar.gz
17:39<babilen>davi: no idea. Did you use the googleearth package by debian?
17:39<faheem>should work
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17:41<davi>babilen, I used the make-googleearth-package without success on Debian Lenny (amd64): dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `/home/davi/googleearth-deb/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package `googleearth':
17:41<davi> `Depends' field, missing package name, or garbage where package name expected
17:42<babilen>davi: check that line and correct it to the best of your abilities. file a bug against the make-googleearth-package and *kindly* ask in #debian-mentors for help if you can't fix the control file.
17:44<rovanion>I got something! Let's hope it's good!
17:44<babilen>davi: you could also run pastebinit /home/davi/googleearth-deb/DEBIAN/control and i'll have a look
17:44<TwoFlex>I love Debian :D
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17:45<babilen>TwoFlex: \o/
17:45<TwoFlex>babilen, I'm new at Linux :D
17:46<babilen>TwoFlex: Welcome to Debian then. The best you could do right now is "aptitude install debian-reference-en" (or any other language) and read it. You can find documentation for all packages in /usr/share/doc/package-name
17:46<babilen>rovanion: and?
17:46<rovanion>Thanks a ton guys, I think this actually worked. Now I'm going to try to configure it
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17:47<babilen>rovanion: \o/ YES!
17:47<TwoFlex>babilen, TKS A LOT :d
17:47<TwoFlex>going to read yes
17:48<babilen>TwoFlex: If you have any questions just come here and ask. Everyhting works as advertised?
17:49<TwoFlex>Everything indeed
17:49<davi>babilen, I am looking for that 'control' file. Its directory does not exit, /home/davi/googleearth-deb/
17:49<davi>Let me some time
17:49<TwoFlex>I want the squeeze version :D
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17:49<TwoFlex>but going to wait for the stable version
17:49<rovanion>Hmm this guide says that, I should not mention wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces Going to remove it then
17:50<babilen>TwoFlex: If you don't know about aptitude yet, you can read the reference at
17:50<babilen>rovanion: huh?! Which guide?
17:50<TwoFlex>babilen, tks :)
17:51<TwoFlex>tks for sharing
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17:51<babilen>TwoFlex: squeeze will be freezed this december and it won't be that long until it's stable. But as always with debian: It will be released when ready
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17:53<rovanion>Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file.
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17:53<davi>babilen, The problem is the below line in the control file:
17:53<babilen>rovanion: That only applies if you want to use networkmanager?
17:53<davi> Depends: ttf-dejavu | ttf-bitstream-vera | msttcorefonts, , lib32nss-mdns
17:54<faheem>davi: two commas with a blank? cripes
17:54<davi>babilen, but that file is created on the fly. I do not know what I must modify to avoid such syntax error ( , , )
17:54<babilen>davi: delete one of the commas and it might work. Could you still file a bug, state the error and include the control file?
17:55<rovanion>babilen, I will be using this computer on many different locations so a network mananger shouldn't be all that wrong right?
17:55<faheem>weird, this got in into lenny?
17:55<TwoFlex>babilen, freezed? can you explain me?
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17:55<babilen>rovanion: Do you want to use networkmanager? I would suggest (i) configuring it in /e/n/interfaces and bringing it up by hand or (ii) use wicd
17:55<faheem>rovanion: that sounds nutty
17:55<davi>babilen, sure, I will read man reportbug
17:56<rovanion>babilen, Why would I want to use a networkmananger btw over /e/n/interfaces?
17:56<faheem>but maybe some other tool bypasses interfaces
17:56<faheem>rovanion: gui interface? :-)
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17:56<babilen>TwoFlex: Debian testing is in constant flux. That means new packages migrate into testing if they are not buggy. Once they are freezed only security fixes will be allowed. Once all the bugs are fixed testing becomes stable and it starts all over agains.
17:56<davi>babilen, The problem is that the 'control' file is generated on the fly. Therefore deleting the extra comma will not fix it
17:57<davi>solve the problem
17:57<rovanion>faheem, But it autodetects and sets up wireless networks that are detected. Or wait, how do you manange encryption without a handy GUI?
17:57<TwoFlex>babilen, tks for the explaining :D
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17:58<babilen>rovanion: I don't know. I don't use a graphical network manager. I like it to have network even when my X is broken. But choose what you like best. If you try to decide between NM and wicd choose wicd. I heard it is better...
17:58<TwoFlex>babilen, maybe it will come with the new kernel (32)
17:58<babilen>TwoFlex: It is all in the reference. Just stay with stable for now. If you urgently want a newer package come here and ask about "bpo" or "backports"
17:59<rovanion>Yeah my friend uses wicd and says that it's smaller, resourcewise, than nm and better feuturewise
17:59<TwoFlex>okiii :D
17:59<TwoFlex>tks :)
17:59<babilen>TwoFlex: Enjoy Debian and all the stuff you can learn now :-)
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18:00<babilen>rovanion: In the end it is a matter of style and personal preferences/needs ...
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18:00<rovanion>Well I'm on a 850Mhz laptop so resources are priority here. KDE 3.5 is great btw
18:01<TwoFlex>babilen, tks once again :D
18:01<rovanion>But maybe the fonts are too interlaced and there are too many icons
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18:01<babilen>davi: thanks for filing the bug!
18:01<edbian>I have a very annoying problem. My computer doesn't recognize blank CDs which makes it difficult to burn the newest suze!
18:01<linXea>rovanion, I thought you were using linuxmint.... or is it another rovanion ?
18:02<babilen>rovanion: You might also want to try something like LXDE or or one of the smaller windowmanagers (fluxbox, wmii, awesome, ...)
18:02<rovanion>linXea, Hi there lad xD, Well not on this 850Mhz laptop. What are you doing over here?
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18:03<linXea>Im a debian user if you didn't know that.. I just use to help out in mint sometimes
18:03<rovanion>babilen, I love OB. So LXDE is a good choice
18:04<rovanion>linXea, I see. Well I'm mainly stationed over at LM to help out with the simple errors that the newcommer encounters.
18:04<linXea>I see.. well good luck mate... see you around
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18:05<rovanion>linXea, Yeah see you later, have a great evening
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18:09<edbian>Please help! My computer doesn't recognize blank CDs anymore
18:09<rovanion>And thanks a ton for your patience and fortitude faheem and babilen ! You have saved me this evening
18:09<babilen>rovanion: great! enjoy it! :-D
18:10<faheem>rovanion: sure, you are welcome. appreciate the thanks
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18:10<shardy>hi all. this afternoon i recompiled a new kernel, and it seemed to succeed without error, however, when I try to boot it I get a grub error 13.
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18:11<babilen>so ... blank CD's or a beer?
18:11<rovanion>shardy, Have you changed menu.config to reflect the name of the new kernel?
18:11<rovanion>sorry menu.list
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18:11<babilen>edbian: You want to burn SUSE CDs?
18:11<faheem>babilen: is that your choice? :-)
18:11<davi>babilen, Success on installation and initial start of Google Earth 5.1 on Debian lenny (amd64). I will fill the bug of the make-googleearth-package package 0.5.6 (unstable) which I have been to forced to use (because the one an lenny did not work), later. I will fill the bug later or tomorrow.
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18:11<babilen>faheem: Dunno... I hope so ;-)
18:11<edbian>babilen: I don't care what CD it is. I'd like to burn one period.
18:12<shardy>rovanion: yeah, i ran update-grub and the entries are identical to the other kernels (which i can boot fine). i thought this was a grub2 issue, so, reinstalled grub-legacy and still have the problem
18:12<babilen>davi: Cool! thanks for helping making Debian an even better OS!
18:12<shardy>*entries are identical apart from the different initrd and vmlinuz files
18:12<faheem>edbian: define - "My computer doesn't recognize blank CDs anymore"
18:12<babilen>edbian: sure - what do you use for burning?
18:13<faheem>davi: what was wrong with the lenny one? just curious
18:13<grondilu>Hi, does anyone know how I can have xterm recognize <Alt-B> <Alt-F> and so on ? Normaly it should allow me to move cursor as with gnome-terminal. But it doesn't.
18:13<edbian>faheem: Ok: more specifically. I put in a blank CD and if I double click the CD drive icon in "my computer" I get: "Unable to mount media, There is probably no media in the drive."
18:13<rovanion>shardy, I don't know, error 13 is Invalid or u.supported executable format;
18:13<edbian>babilen: Both brasero and gnome-baker but neither one works because of this issue
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18:14<rovanion>shardy, Usually appears if you an incorrect Windows entry
18:14<babilen>hei, sorry. But i call it a day for now. Might be back later. Good luck and have a great evening/night/morning/afternoon !
18:14<faheem>edbian: um, which cd drive icon is that?
18:14<rovanion>shardy, Sorry but I cannot really help you further than that
18:15<rovanion>babilen, Have a great night
18:15<shardy>rovanion: yeah, which is odd, because i don't have windows installed. the only odd thing i see is that when running file on a working vmlinuz and non working vmlinuz, the output is different
18:15<edbian>faheem: ? The only one that there is
18:15<babilen>faheem, rovanion: Good luck and cya around. :-)
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18:15<faheem>edbian: are you running kde, gnome?
18:15<rovanion>babilen, I will try to help when I can :-P
18:16<davi>faheem, The Lenny one raised the same error, but one additional one: chmod: cannot access `usr/lib/googleearth/linux/mailto-scripts/*': No such file or directory
18:16<edbian>faheem: gnome
18:16<davi>so I tried the unstable one first
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18:16<davi>with success.
18:16<grondilu>ok, I found it :
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18:16<faheem>edbian: what does df and/or mount say?
18:17<envyless>hi, i want to install oolite1.73.4 on lenny ( the older version is in the reository-but i want to test the new version ) I have downloaded Oolite and its a shell script with some kind of package manager-anybody installed this in lenny?
18:19<edbian>sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0
18:19<edbian>mount: No medium found
18:19<edbian>faheem: That's with a blank disc in the drive ^ ^
18:19<jpinx-eeepc>envyless: not sure about your specific package, but try backports or ssb
18:19<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: thanks! enjoy the night! until later ;-)
18:20<faheem>edbian: um, what do you want it do with a blank disk?
18:20<edbian>faheem: Burn to it
18:20<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: ;)
18:20<faheem>edbian: oh, ok. you don't need to mount it then
18:20<faheem>just file up, for example k3b and follow instructions
18:20<edbian>faheem: Yeah well I still can't burn to it
18:20<faheem>!tell edbian about k3b
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18:21<edbian>faheem: I've tried that. Gnome baker and brasero both fail. Isn't the computer supposed to have a cute little message as well "you just inserted a blank Cd..."
18:21<faheem>fire up, sorry
18:21<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: don't know if it is needed but just in case :-)
18:21<envyless>jpinx-eeepc: thanks, its a beta version-brand new-it works fine on win32 on another pc but my pc is debian ( lenny ) and a very old beast
18:21<faheem>edbian: dunno
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18:21<faheem>what happens with k3b?
18:22<faheem>babilen: you just can't stay away :-)
18:22<edbian>faheem: I'm downloading it now
18:22<edbian>faheem: Thanks for your help BTW! :)
18:23<rovanion>Going to restart and relocate, see you later gals and guys
18:23<babilen>faheem: No, I just asked in #debian@freenode for some more people in here, so the workload is not getting too big
18:23<babilen>faheem: cya around
18:23<faheem>babilen: ok
18:23<jpinx-eeepc>envyless: is it a .deb package?
18:24<faheem>edbian: btw, "both fail" needs more detail to be useful :-)
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18:25<edbian>faheem: k3b for example under burn medium says "please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium..." even though I already did. Brasero and gnome-baker basically do the same thing.
18:26<faheem>edbian: ok. does it detect your cd/dvd drive?
18:26<faheem>k3b i mean
18:26<edbian>faheem: "it" being... ?
18:26<edbian>faheem: If there is a disc with data on it then yes.
18:26<envyless>no not a deb pkg - a Linux x86 version "Oolite Test Release 1.73.4 for x86 Linux systems (23 MiB, uses Autopackage)" (from the homepage) there is a Ubuntu pkg however-any help?:-)
18:26<faheem>edbian: this is a blank cd?
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18:26<mortem>hi all
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18:27<mortem>i need help with xorg
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18:27<jpinx-eeepc>envyless: that all sounds very dodgy ;) You could try downloading the deba nd dpkg -i it, but you may very well break something
18:27<edbian>faheem: If there is a blank CD in the drive K3b says "insert an empty CD-R(W) medium." If there is a CD with data on the drive then K3b can see it just fine (for ripping or whatever).
18:27<jmarsden>envyless: Download the Ubuntu source package, check for and remove any Ubuntu-specific stuff, and rebuild the package.
18:28<faheem>edbian: odd. this is a blank cd, right? try a different blank cd or a blank dvd?
18:28<mortem>i just did a fresh install but can't get X to work
18:28<faheem>edbian: other you may have to go more low level
18:28<jpinx-eeepc>!doesn't work
18:28<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
18:28<faheem>otherwise, sorry
18:28<edbian>faheem: Different CDs don't make a difference. I even have a different brand here. I don't have a DVD burning (or blank DVDs).
18:29<faheem>edbian: ok.
18:29<edbian>faheem: I'm not afraid of going more low level (I think that is the correct path).
18:29<jmarsden>ediban/faheem: do you have a command line package for burning CDs/DVDs installed? what does wodim -atip say with a blank disc in the drive, for example?
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18:29<faheem>edbian: i assume you have cdrecord installed, or equivalent
18:29<dpkg>methinks cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT
18:30<edbian>faheem: I have cdrecord
18:30<faheem>everybody hates schilling, but i guess that is still the standard
18:30<jmarsden>cdrecord -atip would be fine too... :)
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18:30<mortem>Can anyone help setup x server?
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18:32<dpkg>well, wodim is a <DFSG> compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See for the release notice.
18:32<jmarsden>mortem: Noone can help unless you can be more specific about what "doesn't work" means in your case...
18:32<envyless>jmarsden:thanks for your help-i am a real beginner however-but i will download the Ubuntu pkg and see what i can make of it-i came here first, instead of going to to the official forum-because i know you guys are very helpful. thanks!
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18:33<jmarsden>envyless: If you have never worked with a source package before, rebuilding it might be a bit much... but if you are a beginner, why nto just stick with the version that is already packaged for Debian?
18:33<mortem>jmarsden: I think it has something to do with resolution
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18:35<jmarsden>mortem: State exactly what you did, what happened, what you expected to happen, and any error messages that appeared... use pastebin for longer chunks of messages.
18:35<faheem>edbian: k3b is quite vocal about missing dependencies. does it say anything is missing?
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18:35<mortem>jmarsden: I did a fresh install, rebooted and x doesn't startx ...
18:36<mortem>My lcd monitor says 'wrong resolution'
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18:36<envyless>yes you are right i think- the newer version although it is a beta test version is more stable and has more features ( one that i need badly ) then the version in the deb repos ( i have it on a win 32 box that belongs to a family member )
18:36<faheem>mortem: you want to look at the logs
18:36<mortem>faheem: which one please
18:36<mortem>faheem: ok thanks
18:37<shardy>does anybody in here run virtualbox on their debian installation (as host) with a custom compiled kernel? if so, any menuconfig options that must be set?
18:37<faheem>sorry /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:37<faheem>looks like
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18:38<envyless>craigvil: thanks:-), i did look at that site but not closely enough maybe lol
18:38<mortem>faheem: no error :s
18:38<faheem>mortem: you could pastebin it
18:38<faheem>might give someone a clue
18:38<faheem>!tell mortem about paste
18:39<faheem>or which is quite nice
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19:24<envyless>goodmorning aswell:-)
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19:32<rovanion>babilen, Just to keep you updated. It seems like the networking card has stopped working. When plugged in the OS freezes and nothing happends until it's unplugged. Same result in Debian and WinXP
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19:33<simonrvn>rovanion: could be corrupted firmware, or it fried in some other way.
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19:34<rovanion>simonrvn, It seems pritty fried. Should not be firmware if it occurs on two different OSs
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19:35<simonrvn>i meant on the card itself. the onboard bios interface. though you can't always play with that, as it doesn't have any, or it's not flashable.
19:36<Ark>Hello, can anyone here help me with Postfix mail server? Telnet is hanging when i try to connect on port 25 (Postfix port) and i am getting EXTREMELY frustrated.
19:36<simonrvn>s,bios,low-level hardware access software, ;)
19:37<rovanion>simonrvn, Well the card worked well until the moment I rebooted the system after working for six hours to get the drivers working, Hopefully there are some more leftover networking card. Got this laptop for free by a friend who admins a school.
19:37<ichdasich>Ark: look if it is running and listening?
19:39<abrotman>Ark: is it even giving hte banner?
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19:40<simonrvn>rovanion: i know about franken-computers ;)
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19:40<rovanion>simonrvn, They're so old that the Windows user does no longer want to touch it even tough they are great with Linux on them.
19:41<simonrvn>their loss ;p
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19:42<rovanion>Indeed, the result is that I can have a laptop that I don't have to care too much about if it breaks, because there are 2 more to take parts from.
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19:45<faheem>Ark: hi. you were on #mercurial earlier?
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19:46<faheem>just wanted to say, if you are the same person, the project would certainly appreciate it if you were able to locate justin peng.
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19:46<rovanion>faheem, Did ya read? The pcmcia card has broken I belive. The OS instantly stops working when the card is put into the slot, both Linux and crappy WinXP.
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19:47<faheem>rovanion: yes, i read. sorry about that
19:47<faheem>old card?
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19:48<faheem>Ark: i'd suggest a postfix forum, irc or mailing list
19:48<Ark>Its running, but its not listening.
19:48<rovanion>faheem, Going to try to get my hands on another one. They're 6 years old by now, old school laptops
19:48<Ark>Sorry, had to go eat. And the postfix IRC was all idle
19:49<faheem>Ark: I see the person on #mercurial was Arc, so probably not you then
19:49<rovanion>faheem, And along with them pcmcia wifi cards
19:50<Ark>So yeah, im really unsure of whats going on.
19:50<Ark>And i've been at it for at least 5 hours.
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19:51<Ark>Its not giving hte banner iehter.
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19:52<faheem>Ark: again, try a postfix specific forum - irc or ml
19:53<Ark>Ugh, alright.
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19:54<faheem>rovanion: you work for schools?
19:54<faheem>didn't mean to drive him away...
19:55<rovanion>faheem, No I'm a student myself. But I have a friend who works as administrator for a private elementry school
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19:55<abrotman>sounds like it's not listening at all
19:56<faheem>rovanion: i see
19:57<rovanion>faheem, At the end of their time at the school the students get to choose wethere or not they want to buy out the laptops they've been using.
19:58<rovanion>And so there are some which are left over used by noone
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20:05<dpkg>somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>.
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20:09<fredrick>hello. i am running debian 5.03. i don't know why i can't mount? mount -t /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2
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20:12<guilherme>hi, i dont know how to create a .deb file from source. It is ./configure make and make install at other distributions. how can i do that in debian??
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20:15<dondelelcaro>!tell guilherme -about nm guide
20:19<guilherme>i tried ./configure and dpkg-buildpackage, but i got an error, what is wrong?
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20:21<dondelelcaro>guilherme: the nm guide explains how to go about building debian packages.
20:22<dondelelcaro>guilherme: if after at least starting to read it, you still have questions, feel free to ask here.
20:22<guilherme>ok, i will read
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20:23<Neo1987>hello to everybody
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20:32<guilherme>well, i read, but i cant understand much. what command substitute make in debian distribution??
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20:37<dondelelcaro>make is make
20:38<poeta>guilherme, install automake
20:38<poeta>guilherme, install make
20:39<guilherme>ok, but i want to make a .deb, and than install
20:39<fredrick>i'm having trouble mounting a partition on a sata drive in debian 5.03 mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/volume1 etc3
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20:42<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: as root?
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20:43<fredrick>yeah from a root terminal
20:43<fredrick>do i need to add a line to /etc/fstab?
20:43<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: not for a one-off mount
20:44<jpinx-eeepc>what's the etc in your command?
20:45<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: I'd expect "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt/volume" to work maybe with " -o uid=1000 " as appropriate.
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20:48<fredrick>mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /media/volume i'm getting this now: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, missing codepage or helper program.....
20:48<fredrick>it is at /dev/sda2 and it is ext3
20:49<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: do file /dev/sda2
20:49<jpinx-eeepc>or fdisk -l and see what's listed
20:49<fredrick>says /dev/sda2: block special
20:50<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: is there a fielsystem on that partition?
20:50<jpinx-eeepc>any data?
20:50<fredrick>its marked as boot, it has ubuntu on that filesystem
20:51<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: linux ignores boot marking
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20:52<fredrick>if i run fsck isn't it going to check my current mount filesystem
20:52<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: man fsck ;)
20:54<fredrick>oh i see how i could check it. i just setup that drive today from a new partition table though, i feel like its something else i am doing wrong?
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20:55<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: did fdisk -l list the partition correctly?
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20:56<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: then fsck that partition
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20:58<fredrick>it did a few of these: Clearing orphaned inode 70 (uid=113, gid=121, mode=0100600, size=0)
20:58<fredrick>and then said /dev/sda2: clean, 228873/14868480 files, 20089509/59462589 blocks
20:58<jpinx-eeepc>when it is finished - see what file /dev/sda2 says
20:59<jpinx-eeepc>try mounting it now?
20:59<fredrick>i tried mounting is said the same thing
20:59<fredrick>bash: /dev/sda2: Permission denied
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20:59<jpinx-eeepc>as root?
20:59<fredrick>from a root terminal
21:00<jpinx-eeepc>no - as root?
21:00<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: do whoami
21:00<jpinx-eeepc>ok fdisk -l
21:01<jpinx-eeepc>is the partition listed ok?
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21:01<jpinx-eeepc>mount /dev/sda2 -t ext3 /mnt/<whatever>
21:01<fredrick>(does it matter if /dev/sda1 is swap?)
21:02<fredrick>it says the same thing as before
21:02<fredrick>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
21:03<fredrick>if i try to mount to like /mnt/test
21:03<fredrick>it says mount: mount point /mnt/test does not exist
21:03<fredrick>so under /media i made a 'volume/ directory
21:04<fredrick>and i have been trying to mount to /media/volume when i get wrong fs type
21:04<fredrick>i made the volume dir as root
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21:07<fredrick>jpinx-eeepc: dmesg gives this: [ 4158.892397] EXT3-fs: sda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).
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21:09<jpinx-eeepc>fredrick: dunno that error :(
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21:09<fredrick>okay, it might be ext4 actually.. but its seeing it as ext3
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21:10<fredrick>and mount says unknown filesystem type when i try ext4, is there a way to install etc4 support with aptitude install ?
21:11<dondelelcaro>fredrick: that's dependent on the kernel that you're running
21:11<dondelelcaro>fredrick: update to a kernel which supports ext4, and then you can mount it
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21:12<fredrick>kernel is 2.6.26-2-686, okay im gonna try - thank you jpinx
21:12<damiank>anyone here uses monodevelop?
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21:15<redmaw>can anyone help me get a flash drive to work with lenny? It used to work but now the system won't mount it and I can't figure out why.
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21:30<hachi>hi, when I try to install apache2 on debian... it installs the mysql client libs, plus the postgres libs, plus sqlite3
21:30<hachi>is there a package of apache on debian that doesn't install these things?
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21:31<Xenguy>hachi: can you just uninstall them?
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21:32<hachi>not recommended
21:33<adb>recommended are installed by default
21:33<Xenguy>adb: is that true for apt-get now also - any idea?
21:33<hachi>adb: I called aptitude -R
21:33<adb>so i dunno
21:34<adb>for apt-get too
21:34<hachi>yes for apt-get too
21:34<hachi>it's been that way for like a year or more in testing
21:35<Xenguy>hachi: so that is in effect now in lenny/stable, or ...?
21:35<hachi>I would guess so, I don't really know
21:35<hachi>I have no stable boxes
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21:36<Xenguy>I really don't understand why this policy is being established -- I don't think that 'recommended' should be installed by default personally
21:37<hachi>neither do I
21:37<hachi>but I'm just one person, so why would anyone listen to my opinion
21:37<Xenguy>I think the default should always be towards 'lean' installation
21:37<hachi>I'm all for having a flag to install the extra bits
21:37<hachi>but I don't think the default should be to install extra stuff
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21:38<hachi>it did work as a pretty good forcing function to get me to stop using apt-get though
21:38<Xenguy>Anyway, there obviously must be some way to configure things to not work that way, so I guess I'll surf the web and see what I can find out
21:38<hachi>since there is no -R flag to use on apt-get
21:38<adb>there is, man apt-get
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21:39<hachi>oh, you mean --no-install-recommends
21:39<hachi>there's no -R flag, like I just said
21:39<hachi>if you like typing that, then yes
21:39*Xenguy checks the apt-get man page...
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21:45<Xenguy>It seems that the '--no-install-recommends' option can be set in a file called apt.conf, but of course a cursory glance at both 'man apt-get' and 'man apt.conf' do not seem to contain straightforward instructions :-/
21:45<kop>Change /etc/apt/apt.conf if you dont like it.
21:46<Xenguy>I don't know why google should be easier than a man page, but it seems to be the case so often.
21:47<Xenguy>kop: sure, but the file doesn't exist, and as I just said, the man pages seem less than obvious on this point, so I guess they're going to force me to actually think for myself <grumble>
21:48<adb>i have Apt::Install-Recommends 0; and i change 0 to 1 if needed ..
21:51<hachi>in aptitude, how do you change the view to show all packages in a possible action (like "Upgradable packages") in alpha order, rather than sorted by section?
21:51<hachi>I don't see anything in the menu
21:52<hachi>in other words, what's the equivalent to the O/o actions you could do in dselect
21:53<Xenguy>adb: so just to clarify, you have this line in file /etc/apt/apt.conf: Apt::Install-Recommends 0;
21:53<Xenguy>adb: also, with a semi-colon or not?
21:53<adb>yes , semi-colon is needed
21:54<Xenguy>OK, and that means don't install 'recommended' packages, yes?
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21:54<adb>0 == no
21:54<adb>1 == yes
21:54<Xenguy>thanks, just wanted to be sure
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21:57<Xenguy>(And sometimes IRC is faster than google ;-)
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21:59<adb>Xenguy, with a ")" or not ... at preview phrase ?
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22:03<hachi>anyone know how to change the tree style in aptitude from status,section,source ?
22:03<hachi>I'd prefer it to just be 'status'
22:04<hachi>maybe aptitude isn't the program I should be using
22:05<hachi>what's the standard tool for this these days?
22:06<hachi>how do you upgrade single packages/globs of packages from the command line?
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22:10<hachi>did I ask a verbotten question?
22:12<faheem>hachi: aptitude or apt-get will both upgrade packages from the cmd line
22:13<hachi>individual packages or globs
22:13<hachi>please read my whole question
22:13<hachi>neither of those take an argument to their 'upgrade' or similar commands
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22:15<faheem>hachi: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2
22:15<hachi>that marks them for installation
22:15<faheem>will upgrade as necessary
22:15<hachi>they won't be candidates of autoremove
22:16<hachi>'install texlive*'
22:16<hachi>will install all of them
22:16<faheem>hachi: not sure exactly what you want
22:16<hachi>but I just want to upgrade the ones that are installed
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22:16<faheem>hachi: apt-get upgrade will do that
22:16<hachi>that installs all packages
22:16<hachi>I want to only upgrade some
22:16<faheem>hachi: it upgrades all packages that are installed
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22:17<faheem>hachi: why, what is the context?
22:17<faheem>please elaborate on your use case
22:17<faheem>i don't follow
22:17<hachi>I have a debian machine
22:17<hachi>with like 940 packages candidate for upgrade
22:17<hachi>I don't want to upgrade all of them at once
22:17<faheem>hachi: ok
22:17<faheem>hachi: then pick a subset
22:17<hachi>how do I specify that subset
22:18<faheem>hachi: on the command line?
22:18<faheem>cut and paste
22:18<hachi>or how can I pick that subset in aptitude
22:18<faheem>first run apt-get upgrade
22:18<hachi>and what do I pass that list to?
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22:18<hachi>I can't pass it to 'install'
22:18<faheem>which will give you a list of pkgs which need upgrading
22:18<hachi>because that will flag them as installed packages
22:18<faheem>then cut and paste from there to "apt-get install"
22:18<hachi>and they won't be later candidates for autoremove
22:19<faheem>not the most elegant approach in the world, but works
22:19<kop>hachi: Or : aptitude search '~U'
22:19<faheem>hachi: true
22:19<kop>faheem: aptitude is preferred
22:19<faheem>you lose the benefits of autoinstall
22:19<hachi>kop: I want to use aptitude if I can, but I need to change the view
22:19<kop>hachi: I only use it from the command line.
22:19<faheem>kop: well, ok
22:19<hachi>I have 940 packages... I don't want to have everything sorted into sections for me
22:19<kop>!why aptitude
22:19<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
22:19<faheem>hachi: i think the auto-install feature is configurable
22:19<hachi>!aptitude search
22:19<dpkg>from memory, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or or ask me about <aptitude docs>
22:20<faheem>you can probably tell apt tools not to set the manually installed flag if you don't want it
22:21<hachi>kop: I still don't see how I can call aptitude on the command line and upgrade only some packages
22:21<kop>You can :aptitude unhold foo
22:21<hachi>basically, I'm searching for a workflow... one that I've never used before
22:21<hachi>so I need the docs that explain it I guess
22:21<hachi>cause saying ~U at me... isn't really showing me a workflow
22:21<hachi>it's showing me a detail of it
22:21<hachi>and I'm not seeing the bigger picture
22:22<kop>hachi: I don't know that you can. However, I suspect the approach to take is to do "download-only". Then aptitude safe-upgrade when you've everything in cache.
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22:22<kop>hachi: Yeah: aptitude download foo bar baz ... then aptitude safe-upgrade when you're done with that.
22:23<kop>hachi: (Done with downloading everything.)
22:23<hachi>and that will not install packages it hasn't downloaded?
22:23<faheem>hachi: one suggestion - apt-get upgrade, then do apt-get install some high level thing you want
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22:23<faheem>then you aren't auto-installing stuff you don't want
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22:23<faheem>eg. apt-get install emacs
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22:23<hachi>so like... I've got a billion texlive packages to upgrade
22:24<hachi>I can't figure out which one is the 'top level' for that item
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22:24<faheem>hachi: there must be a metapackage
22:24<hachi>so I tried that workflow
22:24<kop>hachi: Or: aptitude search ~i | grep -v '^. A ' Then aptitude install each of these, the ones that are already manually installed.
22:24<faheem>try texlive
22:24<hachi>but it doesn't really work because I have to recognize the magic packages
22:24<hachi>faheem: I did, like 15 minutes ago
22:24<hachi>it... didn't work?
22:25<hachi>otherwise why am I still here asking about it
22:25<faheem>hachi: er, what happened?
22:25<kop>hachi: No, that will still install everything. For that method download everything first.
22:25<hachi>it wanted to install 'texlive' and that's it
22:25<hachi>kop: that's the opposite of what I want then
22:25<kop>hachi: I just told you how to find the "magic packages".
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22:26<hachi>yup, I'm trying that now
22:26<faheem>kop: yes, that sounds like a sensible and systematic approach
22:26<kop>I hate the aptitude docs in html. Having to go to a browser is annoying.
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22:26<faheem>not familar with aptitude
22:26<fisxoj>anyone know of a good program for organizing scientific papers?
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22:27<kop>(I'm sure there's a better way to search for installed packages that are not auto-installed.)
22:27<hachi>I still wish I could just get aptitude to show me a view with all upgradable packages
22:27<hachi>not sorted into sections
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22:28<fisxoj>kop, that's just an iceweasel extension, though, right?
22:28<kop>fisxoj: Yes.
22:28<kop>hachi: I hate the aptitude curses interface. What's the point?
22:29<kop>hachi: And the bad part is the the command line aptitude is overchatty.
22:29<fisxoj>I'll try it out
22:29<hachi>because I can't find anyone who has found and described a workflow for handling 10,20,30 machines
22:29<hachi>in debian, for upgrades
22:29<hachi>heck, let's say you have 200 debian machines, and you need to handle upgrades of some packages on them
22:29<hachi>how do you do that
22:29<kop>hachi: Debian is designed around net acess. If you don't have that you use apt-cacher, or make your own mirror.
22:29<hachi>that's not the issue
22:29<hachi>I can get the packages onto the machines just fine
22:30<hachi>I'm trying to make the human part not suck
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22:30<hachi>I already have cron-apt set up to download all the upgrade candidate packages so that when I actually install them it goes fast
22:30<hachi>also I get an email saying 'these things are up for upgrade'
22:30<kop>hachi: The place to look is at the cluster sites. They'll reference the right packages and then you can install and use them.
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22:30<hachi>cluster sites?
22:31<kop>hachi: puppet for example.
22:31<hachi>that's a seperate tool
22:31<hachi>I'm looking for the debian workflow
22:31<hachi>the debian tools that are for managing the debian packages
22:31<kop>hachi: Stuff like bewolf clusters needs a way to keep all the hosts updated.
22:31<hachi>yes, but that's not quite what I'm after
22:32<hachi>clusters like that are hetorogenius machines typically
22:32<hachi>so they have tools to make all the machines be the same
22:32<kop>hachi: Where the debian tools lack you use generic tools. There's no hard and fast line.
22:32<hachi>I'm just trying to upgrade packages on machines that are different
22:33<kop>hachi: So choose a tool. From cvssup (spelling?) to puppet or whatever.
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22:33<hachi>I use cfe on my 'clusters'
22:33<hachi>this is my house
22:33<hachi>I have roughly 10 machines
22:33<hachi>I just want to find a workflow that is decent for upgrading packages on them
22:34<hachi>none of them are the same, save for the fact that they are debian
22:34<kop>hachi: I have a bunch too. I put the packages I don't want auto-updated on hold and have everything else auto-update from cron. And run my own mirror.
22:34<hachi>then that's what I'd like to explore
22:34<hachi>how do you put packages on hold, things like that
22:35<kop>hachi: Then when the updates fail because they're on hold I get cron mails. I wrote my own script because I wasn't so happy with apt-cron, and it just seemed to work for me right away.
22:35<kop>hachi: aptitude hold foo
22:35<dpkg>rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database.
22:35<hachi>does holding apply to both safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
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22:37<kop>hachi: Yes.
22:37<kop>hachi: The url is my script, fwiw.
22:37<hachi>thanks for that
22:37<hachi>also, reading your script
22:38<kop>hachi: Consider it gplv3d.
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22:43<kop>hachi: There:
22:44<kop>hachi: The real question is what to hold. I always hold the kernel. glibc is good too. Otherwise, well, it seems to work.
22:45<hachi>I have to hold mysql-server (temporarally), mythtv (temporarally) and that's about it
22:46<hachi>everything else I will happily let upgrade and deal with the repurcussions of doing so
22:46<hachi>but I'm still auditing things
22:46<kop>hachi: It's important to hold those things that don't restart when updated, or that you don't want restarted. The kernel and the libs won't auto-restart and take effect.
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22:47<kop>hachi: So, if you've got to restart things manually you may as well do the update too. (Which simply consists of taking things off hold and updating everything. At least that's what I do.)
22:47<hachi>I've got a policy thing that keeps everything from restarting anyways
22:48<kop>hachi: Then there's no point in upgrading.
22:48<kop>hachi: You're still running the old code.
22:48<hachi>sure there is... I restart them when I get around to it
22:48<hachi>but yeah, I know your point
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