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01:35<DeFender1031>hi, i set up package pinning and pinned a certain package to unstable, but it started causing problems. how do i downgrade it back to lenny?
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01:40<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>, or <unstable->testing>
01:42<ZeZu>DeFender1031, use apt-get purge pkgname
01:42<ZeZu>DeFender1031, unpin the package or reinstall specifying which to use
01:43<DeFender1031>by doing that it wants to remove pretty much everything i have installed
01:44<DeFender1031>the package is libqt4-dev
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01:50<breadtk>Hi all. I just installed a fresh version of Lenny on my laptop..and I moved the hard drive (that has / /boot /home/ and what not) to another server. Its detecting everything fine on the new box EXCEPT the network drive. Any ideas?
01:51<breadtk>I've tried if luck there.
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01:54<DeFender1031>ZeZu, did you read?
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01:57<gsimmons>breadtk: Does 'ifconfig -a' display an available Ethernet interface?
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01:57<ZeZu>DeFender1031, no sorry i was doing a few things here
01:58<ZeZu>DeFender1031, the question is ... did you have to install those things when you installed that package ?
01:58<breadtk>It detects l0..but not eth0 gsimmons
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02:00<gsimmons>breadtk: No private messages, please. What does "lspci -nn | grep Ethernet" output?
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02:03<breadtk>gsimmons: 01:00.0 Ethernet Controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
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02:07<DeFender1031>ZeZu, no. those things depend on the package. removing that thing will remove those packages, most of which are pretty critical to my system
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02:13<ZeZu>DeFender1031, if you can, find out whether those things were linked to the version of QT you have
02:14<ZeZu>or whether they are just dependant on some earlier version
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02:30<tr3buchet>hello fellas!
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02:31<tr3buchet>I have a fairly simple aptitude question if anyone has a second
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02:32<kingsley>tr3buchet: OK, what's your question?
02:33<gsimmons>breadtk: Your device should be supported by the r8169 driver. Can you provide the server's dmesg output at a paste site?
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02:35<tr3buchet>supposing I wanted to play around with the newest version of a particular application, take gnome as an exmple, but keep the remainder stable
02:35<tr3buchet>how difficult is that to set up, pulling a few select packages off sid but keep the rest Lenny?
02:36<tr3buchet>double Kingsley :)
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02:38<kingsley>It seems to me that packages normally depend on other packages, and if one chooses to override those dependencies, it's hard to predict exactly what will happen, but I can imagine ending up with a difficult problem.
02:38<DeFender1031>ZeZu, they should be dependent on the earlier version. the only thing i upgraded was qt
02:39<kingsley>tr3buchet: Having said that, I do recall having read years ago about "pinning" applications at certain versions.
02:39<tr3buchet>right I figured gnome being large and interconnected would pose problems
02:40<tr3buchet>I thought pinning stuck a particular version and prevented updates from being applied
02:41<kingsley>tr3buchet: I'm also aware that aptitude can explore a variety of dependencies to honor, and report a kind of score that estimates how good its proposed solution is.
02:41<tr3buchet>hmm 'man aptitude'
02:42<tr3buchet>I'll look into that tomorrow, thanks and goodnight Kingsley.
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02:42<ZeZu>DeFender1031, man dpkg i'm sure it can remove it without removing deps
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02:45<hachi>aptitude has the hold and unhold commands
02:45<hachi>how do you list holds?
02:46<hachi>I thought it was in the search output... as an 'h'
02:46<hachi>but it's not there for me now
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02:52<hachi>or are holds only in place for a single run?
02:53<hachi>no, that can't be true given what my machine is showing me
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03:12<Theimon>hi, is there an equivalent to gentoo's gnome-light for debian? so I'll just have the basic Gnome environment instead of the full desktop?
03:13<DebZhila>possibly even just gnome-session
03:13<Theimon>I'll look into that, thanks for the suggestion :)
03:16<qwd>Debian Squeeze AMD64. I opened an mkv containing x264 in VLC and closed it. Now I don't get any sound. I checked htop and gnome-system-monitor but I don't see vlc there so it didn't hang, it just has problems with these files. Any idea on how to get sound back? Can I restart alsa or something?
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03:27<ottoshmidt>has anyone encountered this cpufrequtils 006-1 problem on sid ?
03:31<ottoshmidt>for 32-bit architecture it's still 006-1 version where for amd34 already 006-2 I hope fixed release will be available for 32bit as well soon
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03:35<babilen>nvz: i would think so.
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03:46<DebZhila>how does one go about downloading udeb packages?
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03:58<babilen>!tell DebZhila -about udeb
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04:00<DebZhila>hmm.... that didn't tell me much.... I was hoping for some automatic dependency checking and updating solution, similar to apt with regular deb
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04:18<babilen>DebZhila: Why would you need that? Udebs are used by the debian installer...
04:19<babilen>DebZhila: You might have more luck writing to the debian-installer mailing list and explain what you really want to do.
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04:24<Frotz>anyone here do much with PXE?
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04:27<babilen>Frotz: As in netboot?
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04:28<babilen>Frotz: Yes i do.
04:28<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
04:28<babilen>What's the problem?
04:28<Frotz>I have PXE set up to start installing debian, ubuntu, windoze, etc
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04:29<Frotz>That part works great. What I'm not clear on is how I can do that AND support thin clients.
04:29<babilen>send different images based on the mac address. You can configure that in your dhcp server.
04:29<Frotz>I was thinking sort of along those lines.
04:30<babilen>Frotz: Need an example?
04:30<Frotz>so, if I have rules like "if your MAC matches one of these, you get thin-client booted. otherwise, you get an installation menu."
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04:31<babilen>Frotz: I would do it the other way round (less cases - thin client boot should be default) but basically yes
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04:31<babilen>How many boxes are we talking about?
04:31<Frotz>ultimately around 50 to 70
04:32<Frotz>I'm researching a project to eventually convert a law office from windows to Linux
04:33<babilen>Frotz: And i guess that they will have dynamic IPs (the thin clients) and should usually boot the thin-client-image, correct?
04:33<Frotz>the only significant hangups seem to be the specialized legal programs used
04:33<Frotz>so, by your example.. "NOW BOOTING... TO DO INSTALLATION THINGY, PRESS X NOW"
04:36<Frotz>babilen: have you played with thin clients?
04:37<babilen>Frotz: The approach above works for that. The problem is, how to do this image. A golden master thin-client works well. Also have a look at FAI
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04:37<babilen>Frotz: We are having around 50 machines netbooted at my university.
04:38<Frotz>how do you decide whether you're booting a thin client or a machine needing an installation?
04:39<babilen>Frotz: No - the approach would be to send a complete bootable image from a server and possibly mounting some directories via NFS
04:39<Frotz><shrug, frown>
04:39<babilen>Frotz: If you want to do a full install on the thin clients, and no image based boot later you would use something like FAI
04:39<majhool>i'm trying to setup grub on a machine i've rsynced from backup, but when i issue the 'setup' command at the grub prompt it complains that it can't find [11~
04:40<majhool>erg, that it can't find /boot/grub/stage1
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04:40<majhool>i've got everything in place on the new drive, though, and it's mounted
04:41<Frotz>majhool: it can't find <garbage text>?
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04:42<majhool>Frotz: yeah, hit enter on the wrong keyboard
04:42<babilen>Frotz: There are a bunch of ways to deal with this. Have a look at the way beowulf clusters are setup and configured
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04:43<Frotz>majhool: babilen: doing a full install on a thin client would be pointless. esentially what I want are super-X terminals
04:43<Frotz>we have an HP thin client we've been playing with and so far like it quite a bit
04:43<babilen>Frotz: Yes, that is why you would need a golden master, clone that image and send that image to the thin clients.
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04:44<babilen>Frotz: We also considered using a software that allows for automatic configuration of the clients but i forgot the name. :-(
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04:46<Frotz>babilen: so, for your netbooted machines, do they appear as logins on the central server?
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04:46<babilen>Frotz: What do you mean with "as logins" ?
04:47<Frotz>I haven't messed with thin clients as such beyond how X-terminals did things
04:48<Frotz>babilen: say you have a shell on the server and Joe is at his thin client.
04:48<Frotz>babilen: if you press "w" at your shell, what do you see?
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04:49<Frotz>babilen: do you see that you and Joe are logged in, or just you?
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04:50<babilen>Frotz: Just me. The server and the clients are completely unrelated machines, each with its own name.
04:50<Frotz>babilen: I see
04:51<babilen>Frotz: That is the setup we are using. There might be millions of others and I guess they differ in their approaches.
04:51<Frotz>so, a modern thin client is not much different from doing an NFS-root mount?
04:53<babilen>in a way, yeah. But as I said: That is the setup *I* am familiar with. It is for few clients and works well for us. There might be other approaches that scale better or have features we don't need or don't know about.
04:54<Frotz>babilen: can you recommend a book or two?
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04:54<babilen>not really. There are a lot of relations between the way clusters and hordes of thin clients are administered. You might find something on that topic.
04:55<babilen>I would also suggest asking on the debian-user mailing list (or a more specialised one), describe exactly what you want to do and what would be nice to have. You'll reach a wider audience there then in here.
04:56<babilen>Give as much details. I am sure there will be a lot of good suggestions for you to evaluate.
04:58<babilen>good luck ...
04:58<Frotz>I wasn't previously aware of FAI. nice
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04:58<hachi>anyone know how to list holds?
04:58<babilen>Have a look at system imager as well. There might also be a bunch of others.
04:59<hachi>I thought it was in the output from aptitude search, but... it's not showing up
04:59<babilen>hachi: 'apt-cache policy'
05:00<hachi>I see pins
05:00<hachi>but not holds
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05:00<hachi>maybe aptitude safe-upgrade clears the holds when it's done?
05:01<hachi>I didn't see anything about them being cleared in the docs... I was under the impression that they were persistent
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05:03<Frotz>one more query... anyone remember doing stuff with DOS?
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05:04<Frotz>I was wondering if there's a small DOS program that will determine what NICs are installed and then install the appropriate packet driver(s).
05:04<hachi>I do.... do I remember how to do anything in particular... not too well
05:05<Frotz>hachi: my thin client questions are about a long term project. this DOS one is short term. I need to rebuild a PXE-delivered DOS environment
05:05<Frotz>Boot to DOS, load an appropriate NIC driver, then NFS-mount the directory where the Ghost images are
05:06<hachi>I have forgotten about network stuff in dos... and I'm actually thankful for that
05:06<Frotz>I found a PDF on networking FreeDOS, which is quite helpful
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05:06<Frotz>I'm trying to avoid reinventing a wheel (see what nics are installed)
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05:08<majhool>evidently grub thinks that the root partition the target drive is corrupt in some manner, as the 'configfile' gives "Error 24: Attempting to to access block outside of partition," but the partition passes an fsck fine
05:09<majhool>what is upsetting grub?
05:09<majhool>or rather how can i find out what's upsetting grub
05:09<Theimon>is there a way for me to log rc messages? I'm getting an error but it runs too quickly for me to see what's wrong
05:09<Frotz>majhool: that sounds like something messed with the formatting of that drive such that it's no consistent
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05:10<majhool>Frotz: yeah, but shouldn't that be caught with an fsck?
05:10<hachi>can anyone tell me if my aptitude holds should have gone missing after safe-upgrade?
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05:10<majhool>Frotz: i re installed the partition map and then fscked everything again but got the same error
05:10<ZeZu>majhool, what does fdisk say w/ -l ?
05:11<hachi>alternately, where are holds stored?
05:11<ZeZu>no warnings?
05:12<majhool>ZeZu: nope, no warnings. just the expected partition map
05:12<babilen>hachi: dpkg --get-selection and grep for hold maybe?
05:13<hachi>okay, that one shows it... now my next question would be why aptitude search isn't showing the holds
05:15<hachi>second column should be showing an 'h' for the holds, but it's not
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05:15<babilen>hachi: It should list 'h' in the second column
05:16<hachi>yes, I just said that
05:16<babilen>hachi: yes, i read it after i hit enter. :-)
05:17<babilen>hachi: how did you put the packages on hold?
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05:17<hachi>I did it probably a year or two ago
05:17<hachi>I can't remember
05:17<hachi>I didn't use `aptitude hold`
05:17<hachi>that's all I know of
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05:18<hachi>but aptitude was showing the hold until earlier tonight when I ran a safe-upgrade
05:18<hachi>after the safe-upgrade tonight it stopped showing them
05:18<babilen>hachi: did you ran safe-upgrade before? (i would think so, but still)
05:18<hachi>not in a long while
05:18<hachi>probably 3-4 months
05:19<babilen>but long before you put the packages on hold. Did you use apt-get/synaptics/... in lieu of aptitude before?
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05:20<hachi>but I don't know why my behavior 3-4 months ago would matter when I feel like I'm looking at a bug in the latest version of aptitude
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05:22<babilen>aptitude has to be told about holds. Have a look at the release notes for sarge. You can also list hold with: aptitude search "~ahold"
05:22<Frotz>babilen: what's sound like with your thin clients?
05:22<babilen>Frotz: Our clients are not particularly thin, but sound is working good.
05:22<hachi>babilen: aptitude was obviously told about the hold before cause it was showing it to me before
05:23<babilen>Frotz: We use the speakers for some nice surround effects in our computer pool
05:23<babilen>hachi: Alright - and a safe-upgrade changed the hold state of all packages previously on hold. Which is why you wonder if that is the default behaviour or a bug?
05:24<hachi>well, according to dpkg --get-selections
05:24<hachi>the packages are still on hold
05:24<hachi>aptitude just refuses to show it now
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05:25<babilen>hachi: just run aptitude hold on these packages. I am not sure what caused this and further investigation might be necessary.
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05:28<babilen>If the holds are still cleared afterwards file a bug. It looks like #374353
05:28<babilen>!dbugs #374353
05:28<dpkg>DONE:#374353:N[aptitude] aptitude: hold flag removed when doing dist-upgrade (); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:48:10 UTC []
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05:32<babilen>!dbugs #146207
05:32<dpkg>#146207:N[aptitude] aptitude: in command-line mode ignores hold set by dpkg --set-selections (sid); Wed, 08 May 2002 00:03:01 UTC [137771 161810 174091 199887 220794 277719 328616 453702]
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05:34<babilen>^^^ might be the reason for your troube. I am not sure why the flags disappeared though. bring it up on the debian-user mailing list and file a bug if others think that it is one as well. I would say so, but it never hurts to ask.
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05:35<babilen>I would think that it is related to your apt-get -> aptitude migration.
05:35<babilen>hachi: still there?
05:35<babilen>knoppix_: bless you
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05:37<hachi>reading bugs
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05:37<Mib>how do i open port 3306
05:38<babilen>Mib: With iptables?
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05:45<Frotz>!bugs #0
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06:30<jani>hi all
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06:30<jani>can somebody help me?
06:30<jani>im stucked
06:30<jani>im useing Debian 5.0 official stable
06:31<jani>then i try to connect sftp in nautilus
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06:31<jani>nautilus freeze, and i cant list remote server
06:31<Mib>how do i open port 3306 using iptables
06:33<jani>Mib are you running gnome?
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06:34<jani>so are you useing a graphical interface?
06:34<jani>only terminal?
06:34<Mib>doing everything from terminal
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06:34<jani>its hard
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06:34<jani>maybe u can try it with webmin
06:35<jani>webmin is a good interface to maintain your server
06:35<dpkg>somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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06:37<jani>but webmin is only that way unsafe when you open the port for the internet
06:37<Mib>if i get gnome
06:37<jani>im useing it my own lan, that is safe
06:37<Mib>can open the port to only 1 ip?
06:37<jani>yes in firestarter
06:38<jani>but if you dont have a gdm you cant use it
06:38<Mib>sorry i'm pretty new to debian
06:38<jani>Gnome Desktop Manager
06:38<Mib>oh ok
06:38<Mib>hm i'll install that
06:38<jani>dont insall that
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06:38<Mib>er then what should i install
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06:39<jani>if you dont have graphical interface, your server is faster
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06:39<jani>try out how to set firewall with iptables
06:39<jani>there are a lots of forums in the net, wich are talking about iptables
06:40<Mib>i saw i tried opening port 3306 but it still closed
06:40<jani>Mib! Here you are:
06:41<Mib>ooh thanks'
06:42<jani>use netstat to see wich is working
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06:42<jani>netstat -an | more
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06:44<dpkg>well, sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>.
06:44<jani>but why cant i use sftp with nautilus
06:44<Mib>tcp 0 0* LISTEN
06:44<jani>ok see how the ip talbes works
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06:52<jani>waaaaaaaah i can only use KFTPGrabber :S
06:52<jani>nautilus freeze if i start sftp
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07:05<r>my keyboard events don't work fully somehow. i can interact with the window borders and special keys work but no normal clicks or keyboard events work. can i partly reset the keyboard of Xorg?
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07:28<jani>can somebody help me with sftp?
07:28<abrotman>ask a better question
07:28<jani>it the best cos i cant use sftp with nautilus
07:29<jani>why nautilus wont work with sftp?
07:29<jani>i type nautilus "root@"
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07:29<abrotman>does it work as another user?
07:29<jani>nautilus "sftp://root@"
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07:29<jani>its the same
07:30<jani>a blank windows appear
07:30<jani>and its loading
07:30<jani>but nothing happend
07:30<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
07:31<abrotman>i'm not sure nautilus supports sftp ?
07:31<cahoot>abrotman: it does
07:32<abrotman>i just didn't see it in the drop down list .. wasn't sure
07:32<jani>but i cant make it to work.
07:32<cahoot>jani: root login is enabled?
07:32<jani>yes, but the problem is not with the root
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07:33<jani>if i choose an other user, nautilus freeze
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07:33<jani>and generate the link in desktop
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07:33<jani>if i click on it, it says connecting, and press cancel to cancell this operation
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07:35<jani>well abortman in the list there is no sftp, but ssh mean sftp
07:35<jani>that is ssh ftp
07:35<abrotman>can you do it from the console ?
07:36<jani>i tryed from console, and gnome ....
07:36<jani>the problem is not with the host, cos if i use KFTPGrabber everithyng works fine
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07:37<jani>but ftpgrabber is not good
07:37<jani>i used nautilis in ubuntu to use the sftp connection, it works... but in debian it isn't
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07:46<jani>im looking for the forums, im not alone with this problem
07:46<jani>its nautilus bug
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08:47<peej>The last few times I've been framing a question for this channel for advice, the formulation of it helps me figure out what I should be doing. Now I'm wondering if I'm getting smarter or stupider.
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08:53<avu>peej, it's a bit like rubber duck debugging, which almost always helps
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08:54<avu>peej, ( )
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08:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:39<jani>i have to go
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09:39<attenthion>any body here?
09:40<kinlo>Hi, I'm trying to apt-get install mediatomb, but apt can't find the package... I have main in my sources.list, ran update, and the package should be available in that repository according to the debian site.... what am I doing wrong? I'm using squeeze...
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09:42<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions mediatomb
09:42<judd>jpinx-eeepc: mediatomb -- lenny: 0.11.0-3 sid: 0.11.0-3 sid: 0.12.0~svn2018-4 squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-4
09:43<jpinx-eeepc>kinlo: check your repos
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09:44<kinlo>I have the following line in my sources.list: deb squeeze main
09:45<kinlo>that should do it, no?
09:45<abrotman>kinlo: aptitude update && aptitude install mediatomb
09:45<gsimmons>judd lies, mediatomb isn't in squeeze (
09:45<judd>gsimmons: Error: "lies," is not a valid command.
09:46<abrotman>PDO says it's there
09:46<kinlo>PDO says it is, so thats why I couldn't figure out why I can't install it
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09:46<kinlo>so mediatomb is gone?
09:46<abrotman>but the -common is missing
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09:47<abrotman>probably why it can't be installed
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09:47<jpinx-eeepc>bug it?
09:47<abrotman>dpkg: why is mediatomb-common not in testing
09:47<dpkg>mediatomb-common is not in testing for the reasons listed in
09:48*abrotman glares at the fringe architectures
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09:49<kinlo>so PDO is not always in sync?
09:49<kinlo>and neither is the files index that apt-file uses, as apt-file claims the package is avialable too
09:49<abrotman>kinlo: a dependency is missing
09:50<kinlo>but PDO is not a reliable source to see which package is in the repository then, as it does not take in account those packages that have been removed...
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09:52<themill>what package are we looking at on pdo?
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10:40*EmleyMoor has replaced his motherboard and had no serious problems with his existing Debian setup on it
10:40<EmleyMoor>With Windows I'd still probably be fighting with drivers
10:43<EmleyMoor>Just a couple of persistent things made for hard going
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11:25<lenoce>como eu procuro por canais?!??
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11:27<franki^>lenoce: hablas español?
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11:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:27<lenoce>thanks franki
11:27<franki^>lenoce: de nada :)
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11:28<lenoce>i'm looking for help at google page
11:28<lenoce>franki, vc fala portugues?
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11:28<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:29<lenoce>hmmm... então vc consegue me entender?
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11:30<lenoce>q canal é esse q estamos conversando?
11:31<franki^>lenoce: desculpe, eu não sei português, mas você deve perguntar no #debian-br
11:31<lenoce>ok! thanks
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11:34<peej>I am building a script that only root should run at reboot. Is /usr/local/sbin/ the appropriate place to put it (with root:root and permissions o-x)?
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11:54<DebZhila>babilen: well, the idea, I have a partition (mounted to /recovery) which I plan to use as a netboot installation partition, being able to install into it the udebs necessary to continue the installer, without having to deal with dependencies, as well as having a simple solution for upgrading udebs as they are necessary/available
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12:47<tuxcrafter>hi all, i was just wondering if somebody had bad experiencing doing the following: i am working on a debian sid system, and want to debootstrap a debian stable system so i formated and created an ext3 partion in debian sid, but debian stable is going to run on it. would this cause issues?
12:48<tuxcrafter>shorted: mkfs.ext3 on debian sid and use the ext3 drivers of debian stable to work on the system
12:48<DebZhila>tuxcrafter: ext3 is ext3, shouldn't have any problems at all
12:48<tuxcrafter>DebZhila: ok
12:49<EagleRock>tuxcrafter: that would only matter if you were doing something like a pre-release version of ext4 or something, not the stable filesystem
12:50<themill>the filesystem is irrelevant for a chroot anyway -- it's still the host system's kernel that's being used
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12:50<sney>the only question would be whether the new install would be able to read its own filesystem after booting the stable kernel
12:51<sney>and it's ext3, so the answer to that is "yes"
12:52<tuxcrafter>just needed to be sure because i shoot myself in the foot yesterday and I had to think a bit more, but i was still whondering why debian would allow it
12:52<themill>Depends if the deboostrap is intending to create a chroot or a bootable system. I had assumed the former
12:52<tuxcrafter>this happend
12:53<tuxcrafter>i installed a new kernel on a debian stable system, but the kernel came from unstable (mymistake i needed a new driver) but it removed the mdadm tools and my root is md0, i reboted the system and because the raid tools was gone it could not load the root md0
12:54<tuxcrafter>so i tolled grup to boot /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/md0 this i should never have done (i had forgotten my normal chroot systems)
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12:55<tuxcrafter>and somehow grub or debian just mounted /dev/sda1 as root and the system booted, i installed the mdadm tools rebooted the system and then the mdadm tools saw the raid was out of sync tried to correct things and corrupted the complete filesystem
12:55<tuxcrafter>so i did some things wrong there
12:55<sney>debootstrap "allows" mistakes because it's just a tool, it relies on the user to know what they're supposed to do
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12:56<tuxcrafter>but when i toke the disk out and brought it back to my workplace it would not allow me to mount /dev/sda1 bacause it was markt as a raid filesystem
12:56<tuxcrafter>i could only connect to it with the mdadm tools
12:56<sney>well, yeah
12:56<tuxcrafter>so i was wondering how the heck i was i able to use it without raid as my root filesystem
12:57<miOOP>Anyone here had issues with virtualhost not working properly when going through a frontend proxy?
12:57<tuxcrafter>i know what to do the next time though :D
12:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:00<guilherme>hi, i have a problem with my sound card, i' m using kde 4.3 and debian squeeze. when i use alsactl init it works. what can i do to start the sound card with the system??
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13:07<elops>i'm having a problem with vhost, it shows as a ip rather than a domain name, i've googled it and broke it twice
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13:10<Sallin>@guilherme when go you to Settings -> System settings -> Multimedia, can you see it in the lists?
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13:12<tuxcrafter>what is the variant for firmware-linux in debian stable
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13:12<fabiopqdt>como descobrir qual placa que eu estou usando ubuntu
13:12<tuxcrafter>the firmware-linux is only in testing and usstable but is there an old package name for stable
13:12<avtobiff>guilherme, the alsa-utils init script should do that for you (/etc/init.d/alsa-utils, should be started in your favourite run-level).
13:12<themill>fabiopqdt: /server ; /join #ubuntu-br
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13:18<guilherme>avtobiff, can i edit it? is it the best solution??
13:20<guilherme>sallin, i cant understand. i went to system information, and sound
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13:24<Fnassel>can you have MSN on backtrack 4
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13:24<cahoot>Fnassel: this is #debian
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13:29<cahoot>Fnassel: ...and supports debian
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13:36<guilherme>i cant find the alsaconf too.
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13:59<Kfree>hello there
13:59<Kfree>is there a way to downgrad on package ?
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14:02<mettao87>hi guys, I have a problem with libfreebob. When I try to make it stops with this error: what can I do? thanks..
14:02<sney>not supported by aptitude or apt-get currently, but if you have the old version .deb you can install it directly
14:02<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>.
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14:03<sney>Xenguy: way to make dpkg say what I just said
14:03<sney>pro useful help ;)
14:03<Kfree>ok thanx for replies
14:03<Xenguy>sney: it's all good, relax and have fun ;-)
14:03<sney>mettao87: looks like you're probably missing a dependency of some sort
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14:04<jaimesilva>good afternoon
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14:05<jaimesilva>How do I find all which installed packages belong to an specific release like experimental or unstable?
14:05<mettao87>sney: in this page are indicated the dependencies and I installed everything. So I don't understand the problem
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14:06<sney>sometimes svn checkouts ship broken because you checked out while some developer was committing
14:06<bdheeman>hi, friends
14:06<sney>try a fresh co and see if it gets better.
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14:07<mettao87>sney: what do you mean whit fresh co?
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14:07<sney>I mean download it again. Read up on how svn works to understand what I mean
14:08<bdheeman>I learned people are working on alternatives to apt/dpkg, got lost the link to an article I read a few days back, anyone out there who can point me to the link please
14:08<sney>jaimesilva: I think the aptitude gui shows that. if you are looking for information on a specific package, 'aptitude show packagename'
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14:09<DebZhila>mettao87: if that doesn't work... you could always try `apt-get source libfreebob0` that should insure you have the correct -dev packages
14:09<EagleRock>jpinx-eeepc: since you said you were running wicd on top of LXDE, how do you handle WPA2-secured networks?
14:09<jaimesilva>What I need is a single command that lists all the packages from experimental
14:09<jaimesilva>all the installed packages from experimental
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14:10<jaimesilva>Is there one?
14:10<sney>I don't know personally, but it may be an apt-cache thing
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14:10<DebZhila>mettao87: you'll need a deb-src line or something like that
14:10<sney>man apt-cache may tell you more. I'd poke around myself but I'm not currently on my debian machine
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14:11<jaimesilva>What happends is that iceweasel is crashing from time to time, since I upgraded it to experimental in order to have 3.*
14:11<mettao87>DebZhila: I try to install libfreebob0. But what is deb-src?
14:11<bdheeman>jaimesilva: apt-get/aptitude update; dpkg -l '*'
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14:12<sney>hmm, a package from experimental crashing all the time? amazing and unprecedented ;D
14:12<jaimesilva>A while ago, now it is on testing so I wan't to uninstall everything and installed it from unstable
14:12<DebZhila>mettao87: it's a line you add to /etc/apt/sources.list which allows you to install source packages (used for building packages from source code rather than installing binary)
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14:13<dpkg>from memory, deb-src is 'deb-src http://ftp.<cc> <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<cc>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and libc6-dev installed.
14:13<jaimesilva>I think I have already re-installed it from unstable but it keeps failing so I gues is something like xulrunner or something else
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14:13<jaimesilva>now I need to know which installed packages are from experimental
14:13<mettao87>DebZhila: I have an error when I try to build the package, I use this string: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc and the error is:
14:14<mettao87>DebZhila: I have deb-src in sources.list
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14:17<DebZhila>out of curiousity, is there a reason you need to build it rather than simply install it?
14:18<mettao87>DebZhila: FreeBoB needs the very latest version of such libraries so you can't simply write apt-get install stuff, you need to compile from source.
14:19<DebZhila>I'll take your word for it
14:21<DebZhila>I've personally not built much from source code except for a few kernel modules here and there... not sure the problem from either
14:21<mettao87>DebZhila: I think the problem might be this address: svn:// because it doesn't work.. So I tried to installa libiec61883 and libfreebob from apt-get source, but I don't if it is right.
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14:22<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: I haven't had to do WPA2
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14:28<DebZhila>mettao87: did you read this?
14:29<elops>Hello , i own dedicated server with debian 5 64 bit , how do i setup few domain on the system ?
14:29<DebZhila>ah.... apt-get build-deb is what I was thinking of earlier... not apt-get source
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14:31<kriebel>elops: install a web server like apache2 and set it up
14:31<mettao87>DebZhila: I read it know... and I try to follow it.. Thanks
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14:32<themill>dpkg: tell elops about multiple ask
14:32<norbert_>hi all, question: I have 2 non-locked SD cards in a digital video camera that Debian mounts as two read-only volumes (both when I run /bin/mount and with auto mount); is there a way to force the SD volumes to be read/write or is this an issue with the camera?
14:32<kriebel>when will the metacity/etc package dependencies be worked on in Sid on amd64?
14:33<mettao87>DebZhila: first step, first error. zgrep IEEE1394 /proc/config.gz it says no such file or directory..
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14:35<sney>norbert_: try mounting manually with -o rw
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14:37<mettao87>which linux-image can I install? I write apt-get install linux-image-2.6 and there is a list of packages... 2.6.26 - 29 - 30....
14:38<norbert_>ren:/home/norbert# mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1 a
14:38<norbert_>mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
14:38<norbert_>sney: unfortunately, it's not working (see above)
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14:39<kriebel>mettao87, install linux-image-2.6-amd64 or whatever corresponds to your arch
14:40<kriebel>and it will install the current version for you
14:40<elops>thnaks everyone
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14:40<norbert_>(kinda weird that the files show up as drwxr-xr-x, since Linux knows the thing is read-only for root and others)
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14:45<sney>norbert_: could be a hardware issue with your reader. are there any other sd cards you can try? Alternately, you could connect the camera to your computer via usb and just use the camera as a card reader to see if that works
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14:47<norbert_>sney: I don't understand how that's alternately, because that's what I'm doing now... what's the 'default'?
14:47<br4z3r111>Hello I just wont to ask a simple question. I cannot find a testing netinstall iso it that becouse I can do my stable disro to become testing ?
14:47<sney>norbert_: oh, I thought you were using a built-in card reader on your computer. my laptop has one so I kind of default to assuming that everyone else does... no matter how wrong that is
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14:48<br4z3r111>and is that the way to make a testing disro
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14:49<sney>br4z3r111: there are testing netinst isos
14:49<sney>but sometimes the page is a little obscure
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14:51<br4z3r111>sney: ok what should I do then ? Intall stable and put the testing repos ?
14:51<br4z3r111>sney: is it the same like the testing iso ?
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14:52<sney>maybe removed the page altogether, I used to be able to find it pretty quickly but now I can't
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14:52<sney>but that's where the isos come from
14:53<br4z3r111>sney: thank you for the help
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14:55<ElVirolo>hi everyone
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14:56<ElVirolo>i'm trying to edit subtitles using subtitleeditor, but it won't open an xvid file... i think all the gstreamer plugins are installed though
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14:57<OdyX>br4z3r111: with the stable isos you can install testing directly (using expert install)
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15:50<grondilu>je viens de découvrir "yeahconsole" : super appli. Je l'utilise avec une session screen dans laquelle je lance au moins cmus et rtorrent. Plus besoin de me demander où j'ai mis mon terminal ou d'en ouvrir un autre à chaque fois.
15:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:18<Androminik>echo: hello!!
16:18<phyrrus>where is the config file for xterm located?
16:18<Androminik>don't know
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16:18<phyrrus>nvm i found it
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16:24<dagvadorj>anybody know about recompiling kernel in Debian?
16:25<dagvadorj>everybody sleeping?
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16:26<phyrrus>lol i dont use debian anymore
16:26<dagvadorj>why are u in #debian?
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16:28<crazyb0y>dagvadorj: ask
16:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:29<dagvadorj>I recompiled a Linux kernel with kernel-package
16:29<dagvadorj>everything went ok, but when i choose it from grub it won;t work
16:30<crazyb0y>dagvadorj: maybe something is wrong with your configuration
16:30<crazyb0y>why do you want to recompile the kernel ?
16:30<dagvadorj>i thought i didn't include hdd in .config
16:31<dagvadorj>and enable a vast of drivers
16:31<dagvadorj>still... doesn't work
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16:31<crazyb0y>dagvadorj: you have to add everything needed for the kernel boot in the .config
16:32<dagvadorj>I posted here
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16:32<dagvadorj>please help me!
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16:34<crazyb0y>do you have enabled CONFIG_ELF_CORE=y and CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y in your .config ?
16:35<dagvadorj>i used menuconfig visually with libncurses
16:35<dagvadorj>let me see
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16:35<crazyb0y>dagvadorj: why do you need to use vanilla kernel ?
16:36<dagvadorj>was ist vanilla kernel?
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16:38<crazyb0y>dagvadorj: why do you need to use 'recompiled kernel' ?
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17:14<cesurasean1>can someone tell me why one of my machines is emailing me this message? -
17:14<cesurasean1>running debian lenny
17:15<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: A SparesMissing event had been detected on md device /dev/md0.
17:15<cesurasean1>what does that mean?
17:16<cesurasean1>the raid looks fine when i take a look at it....
17:16<cesurasean1>is this kernel issue? i believe the kernel was updated not too long ago....
17:16<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: This is what it sounds like. One of your spare drives has had problems. You should investigate it.
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17:19<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: take a look here -->
17:21<cesurasean1>I have already kicked the drive out of the raid, and re-enabled it.
17:21<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: and again you received this mail ?
17:21<cesurasean1>raid looks fine...
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17:21<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: and you never seen it before ?
17:22<cesurasean1>no, it just started, but I haven't rebooted the server probably since the last kernel image
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17:30<cesurasean1>crazyb0y, in fact, it happens when i remove one of the drives from the raid.
17:30<cesurasean1>leaving only 1 drive...
17:31<crazyb0y>but now it shows that everything is ok in /proc/mdstat
17:31<cesurasean1>yeh, md0 : active raid1 hda1[0]
17:32<cesurasean1>it seems like a bug, from what ive read in the past....
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17:33<cesurasean1>it says no unused devices though
17:33<cesurasean1>should that be 1?
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17:33<crazyb0y>if it shows unused, then one of the hdd is out of the array
17:34<crazyb0y>unused devices: <none> - shows that the array is ok
17:35<cesurasean1>so why am i getting this message? hmm....
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17:37<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: that's what i[m thinking about
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17:41<cesurasean1>me too
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17:42<cesurasean1>what exactly is a spares missing?
17:42<cesurasean1>how many spares are in a raid 1?
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17:42<cesurasean1>crazyb0y, ?
17:43<crazyb0y>2 spares
17:44<cesurasean1>my config only says 1 spare
17:44<cesurasean1>is that why its saying sparemissing?
17:45<crazyb0y>ops sorry, one array, one spare, to devices
17:45<cesurasean1>ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=12a626e2:d90e7cdc:fb247e86:b90d85b3
17:45<cesurasean1> spares=1
17:45<crazyb0y>two devices
17:45<crazyb0y>it's ok
17:45<cesurasean1>haha so whats the problem then?
17:46<cesurasean1>i don't get what sparemissing is, can you find this on the net?
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17:52<cesurasean1>im not using any spares though
17:52<cesurasean1>am i?
17:52<cesurasean1>perhaps there is no spares so its complaining, yes?
17:52<cesurasean1>i think spares may need to be 0, no?
17:52<cesurasean1>i have another machine, same config, with an older kernel and its fine....
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17:54<cesurasean1>would i not be using 2 active drives, and thats why it cant find spares?
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17:54<crazyb0y>cesurasean1: your active devices are 2
17:55<cesurasean1>so why does spare need to be 1?
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17:55<cesurasean1>i only have 2 drives.
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17:57<cesurasean1>this was filed in 2008. why would i just now be finding out about it?
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18:04<cesurasean1>crazyb0y, looks like that stopped the emails. thanks bro
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18:05<cesurasean1>#DEVICE partitions
18:05<cesurasean1>DEVICE /dev/sd[abcdef][12]
18:05<cesurasean1>if you take out "partition", it works, so it seems....
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18:17<Slash[GnR]>hi... i installed debian and set the root password to 123456 during the installation... now i try to use sudo but it says the password is wrong... why?
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18:17<DebZhila>Slash[GnR]: which user are you calling sudo from?
18:18<abrotman>Slash[GnR]: it's asking you for your user's password, not root's
18:18<themill>Slash[GnR]: did you configure sudo?
18:18<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". ,
18:19<DebZhila>wow, that's great, dpkg seems to know everything
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18:22<Slash[GnR]>but it didnt install visudo
18:22<simonrvn>it comes with sudo...
18:23<Slash[GnR]>yeap... i got to open the root terminal
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18:26<Slash[GnR]>problem fixed... thanks!
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18:31<Slash[GnR]>how can i add nmap to the repositories?
18:32<themill>Slash[GnR]: it's already there
18:32<faheem>Slash[GnR]: apt-get install nmap
18:33<Slash[GnR]>it's says it is not available
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18:33<faheem>Slash[GnR]: what does - ' apt-cache policy nmap ' say?
18:33<Slash[GnR]>do i have to configure apt-get too?
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18:34<faheem>Slash[GnR]: paste it
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18:34<faheem>! tell Slash[GnR] about paste
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18:36<Slash[GnR]>nmap: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:
18:36<faheem>Slash[GnR]: that's all you get
18:36<faheem>Slash[GnR]: paste the contents of sources.list
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18:40<Slash[GnR]>hold on... i have it installed on virtual box but i cant past and copy...
18:41<faheem>Slash[GnR]: ok
18:41<faheem>you have debian running in virtualbox?
18:42<faheem>can you scp it over your internal network to your main os?
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18:44<faheem>or just directly from inside the virtualbox assuming you have x and a net connection in there
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18:47<Slash[GnR]>that's what i have
18:47<faheem>Slash[GnR]: you need to add the lenny sources. you just have the ones corresponding to your first cd
18:47<faheem>you have net access, I assume?
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18:48<Slash[GnR]>when do i find the lenny sources?
18:48<faheem>Slash[GnR]: -> deb lenny main non-free contrib
18:48<faheem>similar line of you want deb-src
18:48<faheem>if you want, sorry
18:48<faheem>replace by whatever mirror you think suitable
18:49<faheem>depending on where you are located. there is also some utility that will let you find a good mirror for you.
18:49<faheem>apt-something forget
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18:49<faheem>apt-spy i think
18:50<faheem>you need to run apt-get update or aptitude update, of course
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18:52<Slash[GnR]>im running apt-get update right now...
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18:56<Slash[GnR]>it works... thanks!
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19:02<Slash[GnR]>im planning to install debian as my main operating system and i have an nvidia card... do you think debian will detect it?
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19:08<faheem>Slash[GnR]: probably
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19:08<faheem>check if the current driver supports it
19:08<faheem>if you are going to be using lenny, check the lenny driver
19:09<Slash[GnR]>where do i check that?
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19:14<lalonet>buenas tardes
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19:43<majhool>is it still considered risky to put / under lvm's management?
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19:44<dondelelcaro>majhool: not if you have a separate boot
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19:45<majhool>dondelelcaro: just for grub's sake?
19:47<Delevi>Hey all - I'm trying to invoke debconf-set-selections from within the preinst of a package to configure it's dependencies (libnss-ldap, libpam-ldap, etc). None of my settings are effective unless I run debconf-set-selections BEFORE I install the package. Any way around this?
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19:48<Delevi>Alternatively, is there any way to make one specific package not prompt for any of it's dependencies?
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20:42<Delevi>Can anyone tell me how to suppress debconf's prompts for a single package and all of its dependencies?
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20:51<faheem>Delevi: interactively?
20:52<Delevi>faheem: automatically
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20:52<Delevi>faheem: I want to be able to apt-get install <package>, and have that package and all of it's dependencies not prompt me
20:54<Delevi>faheem: I've tried running debconf-set-selections in the package's preinst, but that doesn't work.
20:54<sney>I wonder if you could do it with yes
20:55<faheem>Delevi: hmm. you've got to tell debconf to shut up, via apt
20:55<faheem>not sure how that would work
20:55<Delevi>I know I can configure apt to reduce the level of stuff it will prompt me on in general
20:56<faheem>Delevi: could you provide some background on what you are trying to do and why?
20:56<faheem>Delevi: the -y flag, yes
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20:56<Delevi>Faheem: I'm trying to create a package which configures LDAP and Kerberos on machines in my environment
20:56<Delevi>Faheem: my package "Depends:" on things like libpam-ldap, libnss-ldap, and libpam-heimdal
20:57<phyrrus>lol with debian your environment is a shell!
20:57<Delevi>phyrrus: my environment is a lot of things. :P
20:57<faheem>Delevi: with you so far. so?
20:58<Delevi>faheem: those packages prompt for like 15 different configuration options, none of which my users know, and more importantly, all of which my package configures independently of debconf, and well beyond debconf
20:58<phyrrus>Delvi: what is it then?
20:59<faheem>Delevi: if you set your debconf setting to high, do they still prompt?
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21:00<faheem>Delevi: i'd have thought there was some way of non-interactively setting values in debconf templates
21:00<Delevi>faheem: The trouble is that I don't want to change my apt configuration for -every- package, only this one. I'm sure that if it do that it will work, but I want that functionality to exist within the package.
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21:01<faheem>this must be possible for people with 1000s of machines
21:01<faheem>what is that package for people who run lots of machines?
21:02<Delevi>faheem: i'm not sure what you mean. puppet comes to mind.
21:02<phyrrus>lol.. just what do you use, CLI or GUI?
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21:03<faheem>Delevi: not what i had in mind
21:03<Delevi>cli, presumably, but I can't stop my users from using something like aptitude or anything else if they want to install this package
21:03<Delevi>phyrrus: cli, presumably, but I can't stop my users from using something like aptitude or anything else if they want to install this package
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21:04<phyrrus>oh.. well, just make aptitude only available for the admin group
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21:04<Delevi>phyrrus: that's not even what's at issue here. This package is to be installed on several hundred machines, not all of which I have direct administrative control over.
21:05<phyrrus>install sudo then run a batch install
21:05<Delevi>phyrrus: I won't be doing the installation myself, nor can I trust anyone else to do the installation, or any of the other configuration.
21:06<faheem>Delevi: i was thinking of fai, but it doesn't appear to be in Debian any longer
21:06<phyrrus>so then how does it work?
21:06<dpkg>[fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or jumpstart for Sun Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. #fai on
21:07<faheem>Delevi: do a google search for "debconf preseeding"
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21:07<Delevi>phyrrus: my coworkers, who are presumed to be complete idiots, are instructed to apt-get install delevi-magic-package. this package should require them to do as little as possible.
21:08<faheem>puppet seems to use preseeding too
21:08<Delevi>faheem: Been down that road. I'm already using debconf-set-selections for that, and it works - provided that I do that -BEFORE- I install the package.
21:08<phyrrus>oh.. i see.. but nobody knows how to use apt correctly but the administrator
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21:09<Delevi>phyrrus: correct. sadly, the administrators of the boxes (my company is anarchy, truly) don't know what the **** they're doing, but are considered the owners of the boxes nonetheless
21:09<Delevi>faheem: the thing that i'm after is that functionality, but for it to take place while the package is being installed
21:09<faheem>Delevi: so, propagate those files, and put a wrapper around it
21:10<phyrrus>i see.. take remote access to them all? or use the fai..
21:10<faheem>Delevi: i mean, give people your preseeding, and tell them to use the files
21:10<Delevi>phyrrus: fai won't help me, these boxes already exist
21:10<faheem>Delevi: you could write some kind of wrapper script if necessary
21:10<phyrrus>i see..
21:10<phyrrus>you could try a perl script where they just run sudo sh script
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21:11<Delevi>faheem: i actually already do that, i have two packages. delevis-package-answers, and delevis-package. I can have them install the -answers package, and then the actual package, and it doesn't prompt them.
21:11<faheem>Delevi: ok. so what is the problem?
21:12<faheem>that doesn't work for your current situation?
21:12<Delevi>faheem: it's inelegant, and idiots will complain that they now have to install two separate packages.
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21:12<Delevi>faheem (regardless of the fact that entering two commands on their box is SIGNIFICANTLY simpler than what they were doing before I was hired....)
21:13<faheem>Delevi: i actually think it is a pretty good technical solution. tell 'em to suck it up
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21:13<jmarsden>Delevi: So now provide a single script that basically does apt-get install package1 ; apt-get install package2 and then they only have one thing to type? :)
21:13<faheem>jmarsden: good point
21:13<jmarsden>Or, can you set package2 to Pre-Depends on package1 ?
21:14<Delevi>jmarsden: tried that
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21:14<Delevi>jmarsden: if there wasn't a lock, i'd have apt-get install uber-package install answers-package and then real-package
21:16<Delevi>jmarsden: Nothing i've been able to set up either inside my metapackage or as a dependency or pre-dependeny of it is able to answer any of the debconf questions in advance.
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21:18<jmarsden>Most likely with a given apt session it reads the debconf database only once, at startup? In which case I think you already have a very reasonable solution, really.
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21:20<Delevi>jmarsden: I hear you, but i'm reluctant to settle for it. I -really- want a one-shot deal.
21:21<simonrvn>Delevi: one command even: aptitude install delevis-package delevis-package-answers
21:21<Delevi>simonrvn: Better, I suppose.
21:21<simonrvn>but, a pre-dep like faheem said would work fine
21:22<Delevi>simonrvn: tried it, it doesn't work.
21:22<simonrvn>oh, ok
21:22<simonrvn>erm jmarsden rather
21:22<Delevi>simonrvn: making delevis-package pre-depend delevis-package-answers does not cause the questions to be automatically answered.
21:23<Delevi>simonrvn: it seems to figure out which questions need to be asked in advance, ask them, and then run all of the maintainer scripts for all the dependencies.
21:23<Delevi>simonrvn: which shoots my efforts squarly in the foot.
21:24<simonrvn>yeh, it does exactly that
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21:24<simonrvn> that i think about it..
21:24<Delevi>simonrvn: and therein lies the rub
21:24<simonrvn>you'd have to make 2 aptitude runs...
21:24<Delevi>and that's what i'm trying to avoid
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21:26<simonrvn>sec, pastebinning something
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21:27<simonrvn>you could do that in -answers' postinst perhaps
21:27<Delevi>true, but it would be optimal if there were some flag I could set on my top level metapackage that would stop that behaviour.
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21:27*simonrvn is probably doing some big debian policy non-no or something ;p
21:27<Delevi>I suppose what i'm looking for is per-package apt-configuration.. within the package
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21:28<simonrvn>i.e., do that in your meta-package, plus that ^^^ ?
21:30<Delevi>simonrvn: I could do that, but the goal is not to touch the system's apt config
21:30<simonrvn>you're not touching it, you're doing it from the {pre,post}inst of the meta-package
21:31<Delevi>oh wait..
21:32<simonrvn>preinst is probably a better idea
21:32<Delevi>You're suggesting I slap that bit of code into my maintainer script (preinst)?
21:32<simonrvn>yes, or something like it.
21:32<Delevi>Hm. That might work, but that code says "Do this" - if there was a "For the love of God, don't do this" bit of code I could execute, I could see that working.
21:33<simonrvn>then you feed it your answers, then configure it
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21:33<simonrvn>dpkg-reconfigure or wtfever happens... db_ stuff in postinst
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21:35<simonrvn>if you decide to try it, lemme know if you got it or not
21:35<Delevi>i'll give it a shot
21:36<Delevi>wait a sec
21:36<Delevi>that won't fly if apt reads it's configuration file at invocation
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21:37<Delevi>apt-get install foo would read apt's config, and then do whatever foo says - foo can't alter apt's config for itself, because it's config is theoretically already set for this run
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21:37<simonrvn>the idea is to make debconf re-read its db with the new answers
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21:37<simonrvn>yeh, i'm trying to trick it ;p
21:38<Delevi>simonrvn: I don't understand how that would work within the context of a single package, because.. anything I put in a maintainer script will come up AFTER the user's already been prompted
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21:38<Delevi>simonrvn: I think I need to somehow scam whatever is doing the preconfig into knowing that the questions are already answered
21:38<simonrvn>doesn't preinst get run first?
21:39<simonrvn>prerm, postrm, preinst, postinst, IIRC
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21:39<Delevi>Right, but the apt-config option you pastebinned says run the config before any of that happens
21:39<Delevi>and i can't ... unconfig that with the package
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21:39<Delevi>chicken & egg
21:39<simonrvn>that's dpkg
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21:40<simonrvn>but i think you might be right
21:40<Delevi>so.. if I reconfigure apt before I install the package (I don't want to do this) then the preinst debconf seeding will work
21:41<simonrvn>ok, so not that way, but there is some db_ call that read the db, and sets things...
21:41<simonrvn>if you trigger it to re-read the db with the new stuff, then your answers are present to be accessed
21:41<Delevi>but how
21:41<simonrvn>that i don't know
21:42<Delevi>and that's where i'm at
21:42<simonrvn>obviously it's in debconf ;)
21:42<Delevi>heh heh
21:44<simonrvn>i've never fucked with debconf, trying to make it do things, but i do read maintainer scripts sometimes, and have, so i know at various points when i see some db_*() functions i know debconf is doing * at that point... i've seen it do some neato stuff.
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21:45<Delevi>i'm thinking what I'm after is actually a templates file
21:45<Delevi>if possible, that provides answers instead of asking questions
21:46<simonrvn>that's exactly what you'll need for that
21:46<Delevi>because.. apt is figuring out what's going on based on those.. so hopefully I can craft a templates file up that answers all the questions
21:46<Delevi>and it will just figure it out on it's own
21:46<simonrvn>it should. it's not like it's never been done before ;).
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21:47<allyourbass>noob here with a load average issue
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21:47<allyourbass>ive got stupid high load averages and low cpu usage
21:48<allyourbass>ive searched around and run some commands
21:48<allyourbass>pasted the output there
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21:48<Delevi>you have several find invocations
21:48<allyourbass>i believe it is something to do with updatedb but i dont know what is going on
21:48<Delevi>is that normal?
21:48<allyourbass>i dont know
21:49<allyourbass>following the ps output it looks like its from cron.daily
21:49<simonrvn>updatedb shouldn't drive up your load avg. higher than about 4, 5
21:49<Delevi>you may want to find out what all of those "find" instances are doing
21:49<simonrvn>higher than that, i'd start to look at hardware issues
21:49<allyourbass>i am running a software raid
21:49<simonrvn>(i mean the cron.daily, job, pardon me)
21:49<allyourbass>but it seems to be fine
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21:50<Delevi>O.o - that seems like your cron job is going nuts.
21:50<allyourbass>thats what i was thinking
21:51<abrotman>iotop ?
21:51<Delevi>yeah.. you might be thrashing the hell out of your disk..
21:51<allyourbass>ok ill check that
21:51<Delevi>you're doing at least 5 instances of find .
21:51<Delevi>find /
21:51<jmarsden>allyourbass: Something is running a lot of find commands which are doing a lot of reading of your disks, which is (probably) what causes the high load averages. I'd do ps axw | grep find and see what those finds are really doing
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21:53<jmarsden>Hmmm... anacron... is the machine "catching up" from a period of being powered down, by running a lot of jobs that were scheduled to run while it was down?
21:53<allyourbass>jmarsden: here is the output
21:53<allyourbass>i have a myth tv box on the network too
21:54<allyourbass>im wondering if that might be searching for something on the nas
21:54<Delevi>that seems likely
21:55<Delevi>if you want your load average to stop going insane, i'd disable the cron job, then kill off the existing cron jobs
21:55<Delevi>this all appears to be spawned by locate
21:56<Delevi>so unless you REALLY need locate to work properly.. ;)
21:56<allyourbass>i dont know what i want
21:57<allyourbass>other than the load averages to go back to 0
21:57<abrotman>iotop ?
21:57<allyourbass>oh yeah forgot that
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21:59<allyourbass>iotop says Total DISK READ: 0 B/s | Total DISK WRITE: 0 B/s
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22:04<allyourbass>is there anyway to spawn the cronjob with a verbose switch?
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22:05<allyourbass>screw it, ill just edit the cron.daily and reboot it
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22:13<allyourbass>well i moved locate out of cron.daily and rebooted
22:14<allyourbass>nas:/home/allen# uptime 20:11:29 up 3 min, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.13, 0.06
22:14<abrotman>rebooting was dumb .. now you don't know what the actual problem was
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22:15<allyourbass>i still have all the info from the paste
22:15<allyourbass>its not a production machine just pr0n storage
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22:19<allyourbass>i dont know how to find out what the problem was
22:19<abrotman>and you weren't patient enough .. have a good night
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22:26<allyourbass>ok so i tried running one of the commands from
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22:26<allyourbass>and it searched for a few seconds and then i get this -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
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22:28<allyourbass>randazzollo: hola!
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22:29<randazzollo>hi allyourbass
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22:32<randazzollo>do you think that sooner or later we will have a decent linux version of flashplayer ?
22:32<abrotman>ask adobe?
22:33<allyourbass>flash seems to work ok for me with generic linux drivers
22:34<allyourbass>fullscreen and all
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22:34<randazzollo>i have problems only with some sites
22:34<allyourbass>with my other dell laptop and nvidia drivers i can barely watch videos period
22:34<allyourbass>such as?
22:34<randazzollo>and it depends on wich browser i'm using too
22:35<franki^>flash usually works fine for me with nvidia
22:35<franki^>it crashes sometimes and the like
22:35<allyourbass>franki^: i have a really old card
22:35<randazzollo>iceweasel chrash sometime
22:36<franki^>allyourbass: nope, pretty new 9200 or something
22:36<franki^>geforce 9200mg
22:36<randazzollo>opera don't crash, but sometime buttons in flash videos doesn't work
22:36<allyourbass>it works great otherwise, 3d acceleration works, it just hates flash
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22:37<allyourbass>randazzollo: until flash becomes open source, or we get a comparable OS drop in replacement i dont think there is much you can do
22:38*franki^ hides
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22:38<edbian>allyourbass: randazzollo: Flash is a resource hog and it is really annoying.
22:38<allyourbass>is there multimedia support in html5?
22:38<allyourbass>edbian: i agree
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22:39<franki^>allyourbass: yeah, they have <audio> and <video> tags
22:39<edbian>allyourbass: Yeah, html5 has multimedia support.
22:39<allyourbass>whats the container
22:39<allyourbass>theoria ?
22:39<edbian>Can anyone help me? My debian lenny system doesn't recognize blank CD's. Any suggestions?
22:39<edbian>allyourbass: There is a lot of politics and arguing about what the codecs should be.
22:40<abrotman>tried more than one burning program ?
22:40<randazzollo>i agree
22:40<randazzollo>so the question then is why the hell this technology has become so widespread?
22:40<edbian>abrotman: yeah, they all report "no disc" or "no medium found" or some such business
22:40<allyourbass>edbian: can you mount cd's with data?
22:41<franki^>allyourbass: yeah, i think so
22:41*abrotman points the flash/html5 people to #debian-offtopic
22:41<edbian>abrotman: I've tried, gnome-baker, k3b, brasero, and the cli cdrecord
22:41<edbian>allyourbass: Yeah, CDs with data written on them work just fine (DVD too)
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22:44<edbian>Any ideas anybody? Does anybody know how the system recognizes blank CDs?
22:44<edbian>Supaplex: What does that mean?
22:44<dpkg>rumour has it, pfm is Pure Fucking Magic
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22:44<edbian>Supaplex: mmm, thanks anyway
22:44<Supaplex>eg, I don't know. :D
22:45<allyourbass>is dpkg infobot?
22:45<allyourbass>or infobot like
22:45<jmarsden>edbian: Sounds like it might be time to get a new DVD-RW drive ?
22:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
22:45<Supaplex>allyourbass: blootbot iirc
22:46<edbian>jmarsden: I'm gonna try a friends drive to rule out hardware error. The drive I have now is from some lousy HP client. It's a standard drive.
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22:46<allyourbass>edbian: i've had no luck burning with this laptop either
22:46<allyourbass>same problem
22:46<edbian>allyourbass: Really? Have you tried another drive?
22:47<allyourbass>edbian: i dont have any others, although it did burn once in a while when i still had windows
22:47<kop>allyourbass: It could also be wonky media, or a drive that's media sensitive. Or a flakey power supply can break anything (and I'd think burning would be a more power hungery operation than most.)
22:47<edbian>allyourbass: I did get it to burn once or twice. Strangely it does work very very rarely which is very odd.
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22:48<allyourbass>edbian: i did get mine to burn with k3b or brasero i dont remember
22:48<edbian>kop: It doesn't even think there is a CD in the drive. It won't begin to burn.
22:48<allyourbass>but the data was useless
22:48<edbian>allyourbass: It was a bad burn?
22:49<allyourbass>edbian: yeah i tried burning a iso image and it was bad, and using wav files to make audio and it was bad too
22:49<edbian>allyourbass: wav files to make an audio CD? How does that sound?
22:50<allyourbass>it sounded like really bad buffer underruns or something
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22:50<edbian>allyourbass: I hope a different CD drive fixes it.
22:51<allyourbass>edbian: try it out and let us know
22:51<allyourbass>i dont have any laptop drives so i just gave up and used a different desktop
22:52<edbian>allyourbass: I think it has something to do with how hal is auto-detecting the drive. The capabilities line in udev is just blank. That probably has something to do with it lol.
22:54<allyourbass>what did google say?
22:54<Supaplex>all your search are belong to us
22:55<edbian>allyourbass: Nothing really helpful. Other people with the same problem that are not helpful.
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22:56<allyourbass>what does dmesg output when you put a blank cd in?
22:56<kop>edbian: Write to to reach the udev people. (Which won't help at all if it's a driver problem, so is not necessarly the place to start.)
22:56<allyourbass>edbian: this is what mine looked like
22:57<kop>edbian: You could also read the kernel docs, or the source, to see what they say about your device.
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22:59<edbian>kop: Thank you! :)
22:59<edbian>I have to go try that
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23:06<Delevi>alright folks, I surrender for now. My users will have to install 2 packages until I can come up with something better.
23:06<Delevi>Poor bastards. :P
23:06<Delevi>Thanks all and have a good night.
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23:20<faheem>does anyone else think Delevi is being overly considerate to his users?
23:23<abrotman>he could preseed the stuff .. apparently he doesn't wan tto
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23:24<faheem>abrotman: i thought that is what he is doing.
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23:24<abrotman>so what's the problem ?
23:24<faheem>apparently he wants them only to have to install one package, not two (if i understood correctly)
23:24<faheem>abrotman: search me
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23:25<xororand>hi. how do i change the default c++ compiler version? i've got both gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.4 and would like to make the latter the default. it seems that update-alternatives is not the right tool in this case
23:25<abrotman>he could have his first package preseed the others?
23:25<abrotman>xororand: you probably don't want to, what are you trying to do
23:25<faheem>abrotman: that's what he doing, first preseeding the second
23:26<xororand>abrotman: playing with C++0x which is mostly supported in gcc 4.4
23:26<faheem>abrotman: but not good enough apparently
23:26<abrotman>wtf .. okay
23:26<faheem>xororand: why don't you call the compiler my name?
23:26<faheem>why does it have to be the default?
23:26<abrotman>xororand: CC=foo command ?
23:26<xororand>faheem: of course i can do that but i would like to know if there's a way to change the default
23:26<faheem>my -> by
23:27<faheem>xororand: you could compile the gcc package to change the default
23:27<faheem>i mean, not compile, sorry, rebuild
23:27<xororand>okay, then it's not possible with a standard configuration facility, thanks. i'll just use CC= or a bash alias then
23:27<faheem>g++ package, not gcc
23:28<faheem>xororand: well, you could do it. just that you might break stuff
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23:28<faheem>your system would be expecting one version and getting something else
23:28<abrotman>no one cares about C++0x!
23:28<abrotman>(mostly because it's about to be C++1x :)
23:29<abrotman>i'm sure Steve Jobs has a patent on that
23:29<faheem>abrotman: on what?
23:30<faheem>xororand: ah, yes, that 1990s OS
23:30<xororand>a brand of beautiful machines, way ahead of time back then
23:30<faheem>xororand: i stand corrected. thought it was an OS
23:30<xororand>most people were using 16-bit OSs and those won, weird
23:30<xororand>faheem: yes, OS and hardware
23:33<faheem>xororand: oh, like apple?
23:34<xororand>faheem: apple bought NeXT, gave it a makeover and sold it at OS X
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23:37<tamu_todd>howdy all
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23:38<tamu_todd>I have questions about setting up sound properly on my system running lenny
23:39<tamu_todd>I can stick a cd in the drive and play it, sounds great, but I have no system sounds
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23:41<dpkg>it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <ac97>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts>, <devdsp>, <rs>.
23:41<abrotman>system sounds in what?
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23:42<Supaplex>meep meep
23:42<abrotman>tamu_todd: in gnome? kde?
23:42<abrotman>you may want to install libesd-alsa0
23:43<abrotman>and you also may have to turn the sounds on
23:43<abrotman>(in the Preferences)
23:43<tamu_todd>I've gone through the preference, clicking the "test" buttons worked, but system sounds do nothing.
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23:44<tamu_todd>stand by, going to install libesd-alsa0
23:44<altri>hi trial
23:44<abrotman>and i can't recall, you may need to logout/login to get that going
23:45<altri>aduh, koq gak bisa konek
23:45<abrotman>english please
23:46<altri>alright, then
23:46<altri>i don't know
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23:48<tamu_todd>brb, and thanks altri
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23:51<tamu_todd>still no system sounds
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23:54<tamu_todd>abrotman: any other ideas?
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23:58<dpkg>somebody said idea was meaning you don't know.
23:58<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid weasels. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours!
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