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00:38<lili>astronut: thanks for you works..and now thereis other problem..some of table is missing:::Error: Table 'super.[Table]movieitems' doesn't exist
00:40<lili>astronut : i use # mysqladmin -u root -p database > database.sql to export data,,and login into the new mysql ,,import data with >source /www/database.sql..
00:40<lili>why does this happen??
00:43<astronut>no idea
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00:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:53<lili>astronut: i am now seems to be unable to login to mysql server after
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01:28<Lucider>hi i am using linux and i just installed aria2 but it dont start downloading just give me [#1 SIZE:0B/0B CN:1 SPD:0Bs] and i wait and nothing happens
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01:32<babilen>Lucider: Could you try downloading the same URL with wget and/or curl?
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01:33<Lucider>babilen, yes i acn
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01:34<babilen>Lucider: Let me know if one of them works :-)
01:34<babilen>Lucider: I have never used aria2, but it might just be a problem with that particular application.
01:35<Lucider>wget works but aria not
01:36<babilen>Lucider: Run strace aria2 and check where it hangs. I would also suggest checking the bugs filed against aria2.
01:36<babilen>Lucider: Until then --> use wget ;-)
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02:02<zeno>any bt4 folks in here?
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02:08<FriedCPU>anyone familar with the linux kerne boot process around? got a strange problem :(
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02:09<FriedCPU>got 2 raid arrays, 2 drives in raid0 3 drives in raid5, old kernel detects them all and boots up fine, new kernel doesnt find the raid5 devices, which causes the drive numbers to move around, and the kernel unable to boot as the bootloader didnt point it at the right drive
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02:16<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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02:18<babilen>FriedCPU: You probably want to use UUIDs. What does 'unable to boot' mean?
02:18<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
02:19<babilen>FriedCPU: Not sure if that fixes the error though
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02:19<FriedCPU>i'm not booting from the raid arrays, its just it shifts my boot drive's number around
02:19<FriedCPU>i have reordered mdadm.conf which is using the uuids and see if that changes anything, it was doing raid5 last, now its first, booting now...
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02:20<FriedCPU>no difference, pfft
02:20<babilen>FriedCPU: Where in the boot process does it fail?
02:21<zeno>I'm attempting to get BT4 installed, and the keeps resulting in a broken mbr... any ideas?
02:21<FriedCPU>raid drives for raid5 are sda sdb sdc my boot drive is sdd along with my ide drives, my boot drive comes out to grub as (hd7) but with the 3 drives missing it comes out as hd4 or something
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02:21<FriedCPU>waiting for root file system
02:21<FriedCPU>when it trys to use hd7 when it no longer exists, or rather trys to use sdd1
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02:21<FriedCPU>because sdd is now sda, because it didnt detect the other 3 scsi drives before it
02:22<FriedCPU>if i manually tell grub to boot from sda1, i can then mount the 3 scsi drives in its raid array absolutely fine, its something early on in the boot process thats not detecting it, ors omething is happening too quick
02:22<weasel>modular kernels don't auto-detect raid arrays themselves.
02:23<weasel>mdadm enables them.
02:23<gsimmons>zeno: BackTrack is not supported here. Please join #remote-exploit on
02:23<weasel>furthermore, a raid being assembled doesn't make the underlying devices go away
02:23<zeno>gsimmons: thanks
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02:23<weasel>so if you had sd[abcd], and sd[abc] were part of an array that gets assembled, sdb is still sdb afterwards.
02:23<FriedCPU>well yeah
02:23<weasel>and more importandtly, sdd is still sdd :)
02:24<weasel>also, that's always way past the time grub has to deal with hd[0-9] type names
02:25<weasel>you could try to use root=UUID=<uuid> in your kernel command line.
02:25<weasel>that would help against random re-ordering due to module load/scanning order
02:25<FriedCPU>you can use uuid's without it being a raid device?
02:25<weasel>UUIDs are used for many things.
02:25<weasel>filesystems have UUIDs
02:25<FriedCPU>stupid thing is, the 3 drives and the boot drive are all on the same raid controller
02:26<FriedCPU>so god knows wtf is going on lol
02:26<weasel>therefore you can identify filesystems by their UUID.
02:26<FriedCPU>kk, i'l have a look :)
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02:27<babilen>FriedCPU: Good luck
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02:37<FriedCPU>weasel: you still around?
02:37<weasel>maybe. probably not.
02:38<FriedCPU>quick question about grub and uuid, tried it with root=uuid=uuid-here on the kernel line, didnt work, dawned on me, the root line above, it still specifying hd7, can you use uuid on that line? googling tells me you cant, which if thats true, i cant see how using uuids in grub is useful
02:40<weasel>FriedCPU: where does it actually fail?
02:40<weasel>FriedCPU: does grub not find the kernel, or does the kernel not find its root filesystem?
02:41<FriedCPU>kernel cant find its root file system
02:41<weasel>then rood (hdX,Y) is not your problem.
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02:41<weasel>but kernel ... root=X is.
02:41<FriedCPU>well if it knows hd(7 is where it is to get the kernel, then why cant it damn well boot from it!
02:41<jm_>you can pass debug to kernel to get lots of info from initramfs-tools
02:42<FriedCPU>look for the root fs the same place you found the kernel, simples?
02:42<jm_>that's for grub only, nothing to do with kernel
02:42<weasel>FriedCPU: the kernel isn't grub. and grub isn't the kernel.
02:42<weasel>(and grub's root need not be the kernel's root)
02:43<FriedCPU>anyways, it failed on could not find uuid, i copied and pasted it, it is 100% correct, so i am pretty stumped
02:43<weasel>where did you copy it from?
02:43<FriedCPU>ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
02:44<FriedCPU>2683c677-2d90-4cfb-a527-0968180f855c -> ../../sdd1
02:44<FriedCPU>kernel /boot/vmlinuz- root=UUID=2683c677-2d90-4cfb-a527-0968180f855c ro
02:45<weasel>oh, you built your own kernel?
02:45*FriedCPU nods, i said when i asked my original question
02:45<weasel>does it use an initrd?
02:45<jm_>you only said new kernel, you did not mention custom kernel
02:45<weasel>and you are sure you have all the required things in your kernel?
02:45<screenn>how about intrd.img to mount your /dev/
02:46<scientes>boot it stalling at * Setting up console font and keymap... Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
02:46<scientes>[ OK ]
02:46<scientes>how do I rescue
02:46<FriedCPU>weasel: 99% sure
02:46<scientes>i tried adding "single" to the bootargs
02:46<scientes>didn't work
02:46<weasel>scientes: is that a debian?
02:46<jm_>scientes: serial console?
02:46<scientes>serial console
02:46<jm_>bootlogd enabled?
02:46<scientes>whats that?
02:46<dpkg>hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
02:47<scientes>i cant boot
02:47<scientes>so i cant change it,
02:47<jm_>is it enabled?
02:47<scientes>probably not
02:47<FriedCPU>the fact it can make 1 raid array, but not another because it cant find them drives, but it can load the kernel off of a drive on the same raid controller makes me think it has all the modules and drivers for the controller and stuff
02:47<screenn>to boot your kernel and mount all disks you need to build initrd.img - virtual file system with drivers and some utilites
02:47<FriedCPU>because the kernel isnt loading the kernel
02:47<FriedCPU>atm i havnt had anything load off of the controller really
02:47<weasel>just because grub can load the kernel (using bios calls) does not mean your kernel knows the devices
02:47<FriedCPU>just something out of the mbr
02:48*FriedCPU nods
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02:48*FriedCPU goes to recompile his kernel and see what he missed
02:49<scientes>just use a init.rd
02:49<scientes>ok im in
02:49<scientes>now what do i need to change to make it boot correctly
02:49<scientes>enable bootlogd?
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02:51<screenn>scientes did you try to use rescue cd?
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02:52<scientes>im on a arm sheevaplug
02:52<jm_>so bootlog is disabled?
02:52<scientes>jm_, yes
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02:53<scientes>probably corrupted jffs2 when power was pulled
02:53<jm_>scientes: ok so that's not the problem I know about, just add set -x in init script as 2nd line
02:53<jm_>crap my middle mouse button stopped working
02:54<jm_>that will clarify if it hangs in that script or not
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02:54<scientes>what does that script do?
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02:55<scientes>at the bottom is when it stalls
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02:55<jm_>ahh ok it says OK so it must hang after that
02:56<scientes>/etc/rc2.d/ ?
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02:56<jm_>how did you install debian on it?
02:57<scientes>I kludged from ubuntu
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02:57<scientes>but there are no ubuntu packages left
02:57<scientes>it did boot as debian
02:57<jm_>there's squeeze installer for it, I recommend you use that
02:58<scientes>ahh i just got alot working
02:58<scientes>also i dont think the installer supports the internal NAND flash
02:59<jm_>that fork: no such device is curious too
02:59<scientes>no it isn't
02:59<jm_>yes that's the one I am talking about
02:59<scientes>the other device is the sd card
02:59<scientes>which is not in
02:59<babilen>!tell scientes -about kmuto
02:59<jm_>you obviously never looked at fork man page to notice it can't return ENODEV
02:59<scientes>but the portmap
03:00<scientes>babilen, kernel is seperate on this type of hardware
03:00<scientes>im running 2.6.31-6
03:00<scientes>but this jm_ : #
03:00<scientes>[ OK ]rting portmap daemon... portmap: fork: No such device
03:00<scientes>the device does not exist is not news
03:00<babilen>scientes: Yeah, I just recalled that you are running it on the sheevaplug...
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03:01<scientes>2.6.32 will support hardware crypto!
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03:02<scientes>anyways is the folder its stalling in /etc/rc2.d/?
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03:02<scientes>where is the console script?
03:02<jm_>no, there are no folders on it
03:02<scientes>can i fsck my jffs2?
03:03<jm_>you can also put set -x in /etc/init.d/rc
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03:04<scientes>or maybe a package i could reinstall?
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03:05<scientes>what does -x do?
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03:07<scientes>where is the console font and keymap script?
03:07<scientes>and what calls it?
03:08<scientes>also #
03:08<scientes>[ OK ]rting portmap daemon... portmap: fork: No such device
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03:08<jm_>I already told you, it's in
03:09<scientes>what folder?
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03:10<jm_>you can use dpkg to find them: dpkg -S pattern
03:10<scientes>ill remove link from /etc/rcS.d
03:11<jm_>ok I shall remember nick to stop helping you
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03:12<scientes>1. you mean #!/bin/sh -x ??
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03:12<scientes>2. i cant really edit cause minicom doesn't work well with nano
03:13<jm_>that would work too, but it's better to add it as second line: "set -x" without quotes
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03:24<scientes>still didn't boot
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03:26<scientes>whats after in rcS.d is
03:26<scientes>x11-common (wtf?)
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03:29<jm_>ls -l will show the order
03:30<scientes>tab completeion is bash works fine
03:30<scientes>i listed those in order
03:30<jm_>besides if rc is modified it would show the last one
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03:37<twb>I have a USB key that I carry around, which has copies of the d-i netboot kernel/initrd for various Debian and Ubuntu releases.
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03:38<twb>Is it possible to mirror udebs to the key as well?
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03:38<twb>So e.g. I could use the rescue and sshd udebs while offline
03:39<valdyn>twb: why udebs?
03:39<twb>valdyn: because that's what d-i uses
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03:39<valdyn>twb: sure, but isnt this system meant for rescue?
03:39<twb>No, the key is primarily for installation with network present
03:39<scientes>jm_, what do you mean?
03:40<scientes>i was going to add echos to see where its getting
03:40<jm_>scientes: look at /etc/init.d/rc
03:40<twb>The idea is simply to avoid having to put debian-live on the key as well
03:40<jm_>you don't need echos with set -x
03:40<valdyn>twb: so you really only want udebs, not a custom installer, nothing else.. ?
03:40<valdyn>twb: the udebs are in any repository
03:41<twb>valdyn: um, I already have a "custom" installer inasmuch as I have the kernel and initrd, and can include any preseed files I see fit to include
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03:41<twb>But it just occurred to me that mirroring them wouldn't work anyway, because the netboot initrd doesn't include disk drivers
03:41<twb>So never mind.
03:42<scientes>so right after ### EnD INIT INFO?
03:42<scientes>i at set -x
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03:42<twb>scientes: or just change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/sh -x
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03:54<scientes>so urandom is at fault?
03:56<jm_>no that means the script didn't have anything to do
03:56<scientes>so that means it leaves rcS.d
03:57<scientes>as stop-bootlogd-single is that last script in that folder
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03:58<scientes>whats next?
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04:00<jm_>where did you put set -x?
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04:04<nepster>setting up openldap with SSL
04:04<nepster>ended up with 26750:error:140790E5:SSL routines:SSL23_WRITE:ssl handshake failure:s23_lib.c:188:
04:04<nepster>any idea?
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04:06<twb>nepster: that's nowhere near enough information
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04:08<nepster>i have following stuff in slapd.conf
04:08<nepster>TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:-SSLv2
04:08<nepster>TLSCACertificateFile /etc/ldap/ssl/new/ldap.pem
04:09<nepster>TLSCertificateKeyFile /etc/ldap/ssl/new/ldap.key.pem
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04:10<nepster>twb: it opens 636 for ldapssl, but when I do a openssl s_client -connect localhost:636 -showcerts -state to check the cert, it throws that error
04:11<twb>nepster: there's no point trying a client until you know that slapd started and bound to the port correctly.
04:11<cunzhang>hi, is there anybody using pymol 1.2r1 under sid? The python api can't work.
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04:13<cunzhang>when I use the command " import pymol " in Python, it says KeyError: 'PYMOL_PATH'
04:15<nepster>twb: ldapssl gets bound to 636 and i can even telnet
04:15<twb>nepster: good, good
04:16<nepster>twb: but i cannot perform any ldap operations via that
04:16<twb>nepster: does ldap work without ssl?
04:16<nepster>twb: yes, it works without ssl
04:17<twb>nepster: OK, well I don't actually know about the SSL part
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04:17<nepster>twb: same here :)
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04:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:19<snogglethorpe>also be sure to mention ubuntu
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04:20<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
04:20<Tenguch>nepster: no error while starting slapd ? I had a weird problem setting up an ssl slapd, which was slapd couldn't load certificate because of its encryption mode.
04:20<twb>Heh. dpkg is /old-school/.
04:21<nepster>dpkg: kool
04:21<dpkg>it's spelt COOL!
04:21<snogglethorpe>dpkg: k3wl
04:21<dpkg>snogglethorpe: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
04:22<twb>snogglethorpe: september was months ago
04:22<nepster>Tenguch: no errors , ldapssl gets bound to 636, can even telnet.
04:22<snogglethorpe>twb: and yet it continues
04:23<nepster>Tenguch: but cannot perform any ldap operations
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04:23<twb>Does .us do trimesters or semesters (2 per year)?
04:23<Tenguch>nepster: strange... don't know how to help you, I'm not very found of setting up ldap
04:24<twb>ISTR it's related to climate or something
04:24<nepster>Tenguch: thnx 4 da effort
04:25<Tenguch>oh, what about certificate validity, nepster ?
04:25<Tenguch>self-signed ?
04:25<nepster>Tenguch: yes
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04:25<nepster>Tenguch: it shouldn't be a prob r8?
04:25<wonderwal>how do i unload iptables as a module?
04:25<Tenguch>right. we do use self-signed certs in here
04:26<twb>Oh, I see. Trimester = term.
04:26<nepster>Tenguch: yeah :(
04:28<twb>wonderwal: remove all relevant rules, then rmmod ipt_foo
04:28<Tenguch>wonderwal: lsmod | grep ipt -> unload modules...
04:28<Tenguch>and well yeah, can be nice to flush tables.
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04:30<nepster>Tenguch: does openldap requires a client cert?
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04:31<Tenguch>nepster: well, it depends. I heard of it. but as I said, I'm not an openldap expert ;). maybe google can help you a bit about that.
04:31<Tenguch>pretty sure you'll find threads with solution.
04:31<honkanev>I am currently running "badblocks -n" on my unmounted ext3 320Gb HDD. Question 1: Is it good way to find out bad block? Question 2: Is it going to take hours?
04:32<jm_>honkanev: yes; yes
04:32<honkanev>shait XD
04:32<jm_>well 320G should be less than 1h
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04:32<Tenguch>hi jm_
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04:33<Honksu>I started it almost 2 hours ago but I am at the university right now and I am running it on live ubuntu so I have no SSH access to the machine.
04:33<jm_>Tenguch: 'lo
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04:34<jm_>ahh no, -n - yes that will take longer, read-only should be less than 1h
04:35<Honksu>is it going to tell ext3 to disable those blocks or will it only give text output?
04:35<jm_>you need to run mkfs -c for that
04:36<jm_>although it's generally not a good idea to use such disks
04:36<jm_>not that I follow the advice :)
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04:36<Honksu>well the disk SHOULD be fine anyway because it SHOULD be brand new
04:37<Honksu>in that organisation things are not always as they SHOULD be, so I am checking the disk just in case
04:37<Honksu>if bad blocks are found I can instantly toss the disk bacease it's empty
04:38<Honksu>it is spare RAID1 disk se if any bad blcoks are found I will toss it
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04:38<Honksu>there is currently hardware raid1 in the machine with two disks and other might have failed
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04:54<scientes>it doesn
04:54<nepster>Tenguch: seems the SSL issue occurs because of libnss-ldapd
04:55<scientes>what is run after /etc/rcS.d/ ???
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04:55<nepster>Tenguch: openldap folks are suggesting to run the service without libnss-ldapd
04:56<jm_>scientes: it's explained in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
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04:58<Tenguch>nepster: ah, maybe. if openldap team says so ;)
04:58<nepster>Tenguch: yeah, i'm thinking of running slapd in a chroot :D
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06:23<neodj>bonjour a touse ets toute
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06:33<tonguim>Hi all
06:34<tonguim>I'm trying to set up a netboot pxe system on a debian lenny computer
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06:35<tonguim>when i try this command: aptitude install tftpd
06:35<tonguim>i got a msg error saying "cannot find this paquage"
06:36<tonguim>how can i install tftpd to complete my netboot pxe setup? Thank you
06:36<petemc>apt-cache search tftp
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06:37<jm_>try apt-cache policy tftpd
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06:38<gsimmons>tonguim: WRT PXE, you should be using tftpd-hpa or atftpd for tsize support.
06:39<tonguim>i've already tried tftpd-hda; i've got the same result
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06:40<tonguim>apt-cache search tftp give me:
06:41<tonguim>only this:
06:41<tonguim>dnsmasq - A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server
06:41<tonguim>dnsmasq-base - A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP/TFTP server
06:42<tonguim>cannot i setup my netboot pxe server with proftpd?
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06:43<gsimmons>tonguim: No. What about the apt-cache policy command?
06:43<petemc>tonguim: you need to ensure /etc/apt/sources.list points to valid mirrors and you have ran aptitude update
06:45<k1lumin4t1>is there anyway to do a simultaneous scp of the same file to several PCs which have the same user and the same destination dir?
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06:46<jm_>k1lumin4t1: yes
06:47<k1lumin4t1>jm_, do you have an idea?
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06:47<jm_>k1lumin4t1: please don't ask yes/no questions - look at pssh and dish packages
06:47<k1lumin4t1>jm_, sorry. Thanks
06:48<jm_>k1lumin4t1: no worries
06:49<tonguim>this is my sources.list:
06:49<jm_>no wonder
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06:52<jm_>add proper debian mirror to sources.list, run apt-get update
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06:54<tonguim>jm_: i've already done it many times
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06:56<MayaT>hello :)
06:57<tonguim>Hi Maya
06:57<MayaT>tonguim, hye
06:57<MayaT>can pls help me
06:58<tonguim>ask your question please
06:59<MayaT>i already done download debian.. and burn into DVD.. my problem is every time i insert the CD, they give me D:\readme.html
06:59<MayaT>how to install this actually :(
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07:00<jm_>tonguim: you didn't
07:00<jm_>MayaT: boot from it
07:01<gsimmons>MayaT: You were/are using the wrong images (debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1, debian-503-i386-DVD-5), these are not bootable. You need to be using the CD-1, DVD-1 or netinst images.
07:01<tonguim>MayaT: if you burned the DVD with success, you should boot your pc from it
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07:01<MayaT>how jm_
07:01<jm_>MayaT: by elling your computer to boot from CD, usually via boot menu or a BIOS setting
07:02<tonguim>MayaT: insert your DVD in the DVD drive and restart you computer
07:02<MayaT>i download this--->>>> debian-503-ia64-netinst
07:02<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
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07:03<babilen>MayaT: I assume you want "amd64"
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07:04<MayaT>how about this ----->>>> debian-503-i386-kde-CD-1
07:04<jm_>that's ok too
07:04<jm_>(but it's 32bit)
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07:06<MayaT>i have--->> Intel(R) Pentium(R) dUAL CPU..E2200 @ 2.20GHz... 2.99GB of RAM.. HDD 320GB...
07:06<jm_>just use debian-503-i386-kde-CD-1
07:06<jm_>i(r) love(r) trademarks(r)
07:06<MayaT>ok i burn it... wait..
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07:07<jm_>you'll need to use bigmem kernel to see all of your RAM
07:07<jm_>(that's better with amd64 release)
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07:08<MayaT>wait...!!! slowly ok... let me do it step by step coz i have low IQ .... :(
07:09<jm_>ever notices how people write stuff down so they don't forget it?
07:10<MayaT>okey done.. emmm.. i go insert to another machine...
07:12<babilen>MayaT: You might also want to consider using GNOME instead of KDE ;-)
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07:15<MayaT>i cant reboot????
07:16<MayaT>my kybot doesnt work????
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07:16<Supaplex>!start a wm war
07:16<dpkg>ratpoison makes me vomit!
07:17<Supaplex>\o/ me too! openbox ftw!
07:17<nse>ratpoison? Never heard about such.
07:18<MayaT>my keyboard not working when i restart.....
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07:19<jm_>I think there are some notes about keyboard problems in installation manual or perhaps in boot menu help screens
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07:19<MayaT>jm_, how to fixed
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07:20<Supaplex>my imac plays opossom when i toggle any kind of lock key. (until I retoggle it)
07:20<jm_>MayaT: does it work in debian boot menu?
07:21<nse>This guy has a problem.
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07:23<MayaT>dual boot... windowXP and Debian installer.... i cant choose debian..
07:23<jm_>go to bios and make sure it boots from a cd first, no need to choose anything then
07:24<Honksu>BIOS's USB configuration?
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07:27<Honksu>jm_: "badblocks -n" on unmounted 320Gb SATA or SATA2 disk is still running... It has been running for 4,5 hours now...
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07:27<MayaT>ok now i set Boot to CD...
07:27<jm_>Honksu: impressive :)
07:28<MayaT>wait i restart again
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07:28<Honksu>luckily there is no such thing as progress bar ^__^
07:28<jm_>Honksu: it's probably writing and testing several patterns, I usually run it without any options (i.e. read only mode)
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07:28<twb>Honksu: there is, you have to turn it on when you start
07:28<jm_>Honksu: you should have used -v
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07:29<jm_>or was it -s?
07:29<Honksu>well... it's going to end some day I hope...
07:29<Supaplex>you'd think we had a man page for that.
07:29<MayaT>ok now i Boot from CD but i still cant use my keyboard... i cant enter anything
07:29<twb>Supaplex: "we'd have"
07:29<Supaplex>you'd think we'd have a man page for that.
07:30<jm_>does keyboard work in debian boot menu?
07:30<Honksu>-v = verbose mode
07:30<MayaT>jm_, No
07:30<jm_>MayaT: how do you know?
07:31<MayaT>i press all the button here...
07:31<jm_>MayaT: also look in BIOS for legacy keyboard setting
07:31<jm_>do you know where to look to see if it's workin?
07:31<MayaT>ok wait..
07:32<jm_>it's a single line at the bottom - F# keys are better for this
07:33<Honksu>s = shows progress bar
07:34<jm_>not bar, it's in form of 123 / 999
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07:36<Honksu>true... "shows progress by printing block numbers..."
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07:39<MayaT>ok now its running gud...
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07:41<The_Seeker>what image host does #debian recommend?
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07:42<jm_>image host for?
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07:42<MayaT>IP adress???
07:42<The_Seeker>thanks dpkg
07:43<The_Seeker>and jm of course
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07:44<MayaT>Malformed IP address.... ???
07:44<MayaT>now i stuck at configure the network
07:44<jm_>how do you connect to internet?
07:45<jm_>do you have a router?
07:45<jm_>how are other computers configured?
07:46<jm_>i.e. the one you ar eircing from
07:46<tonguim>please to check if a service is installed, should only type it name at the prompt?
07:46<jm_>tonguim: you use dpkg -l or dpkg -s
07:47<MayaT>detail pls... :)
07:47<jm_>unless you mean inetd service
07:47<jm_>open command prompt and type ipconfig /all - also go to control panel -> network ... and check TCP/IP v4 properties
07:48<tonguim>jm_: thanks
07:48<tonguim>so running dpkg -l list all the packages installed on my system?
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07:49<jm_>yup, you can also say dpkg -l '*perl*' for example
07:49<jm_>actually not just installed, it lists all packages it knows about, some can be uninstalled too
07:50<tonguim>i see
07:50<tonguim>i was asking a question about tftpd installation
07:50<tonguim>i've updated my source.list
07:50<jm_>tftpd typically runs from inetd
07:51<tonguim>and try tftpd installation
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07:51<tonguim>when i do dpkg -l, i see tftpd in the list
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07:52<tonguim>but there is no tftpd config file in /etc/default
07:52<tonguim>i use debian lenny
07:53<jm_>check /usr/share/doc/tftpd/README
07:53<jm_>also man tftpd in.tftpd
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07:58<jiohdi>anyone know if there is a way to install the lastest version of gimp without having to hunt down 90 million dependencies?
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08:01<_adb>man aptitude , check "no recommends"
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08:03<jiohdi>its not recommends, its actual install stoppers... missing this missing that version not met etc
08:03<jiohdi>and most of what it wants is not on the stable repository list
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08:05<jiohdi>it says I need GTK+ and now that I found GTK+ that one is telling me I need ATK PANGO and CAIRO
08:05<jiohdi>and on it goes ad infinitum it seems
08:05<jm_>that's why apt was created
08:05<_adb>hmm "lastest version " ? , try backports
08:05<jiohdi>apt can't find what is not in the repositories
08:05<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
08:06<twb>jiohdi: what makes you think you need a newer GTK?
08:06<twb>tonguim: I very very highly recommend dnsmasq as a tftp server.
08:06<_adb>!tell jiohdi -about ssb
08:06<jm_>if you are not using repositories and can't solve this you should stop
08:06<twb>tonguim: it's far less hassle than tftpd-hpa, for netbooting
08:06<jiohdi>twb, the ./configure for the newer gimp says I need it
08:06<twb>jiohdi: and why do you think you need a newer gimp?
08:07<jiohdi>the one now in debian is 2.4, but the lastest has been 2.6 for some time now
08:07<twb>jiohdi: that is not a reason.
08:07<jiohdi>and there are changes I like
08:07<twb>OK, that is.
08:07<jiohdi>I have seen the newer version in ubuntu
08:08<twb>jiohdi: if you want newer software you should investigate backports or migrate to testing.
08:08<jiohdi>what exactly are backports
08:08<twb>jiohdi: the POINT of Debian stable is that it doesn't get new software, because new features = new bugs
08:08<twb>jiohdi: read what dpkg just said
08:08<jiohdi>twb, I did, that does not mean I understood it :)
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08:09<jiohdi>twb, gimp 2.6 has been around for a good long while now
08:09<dpkg>[sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
08:09<twb>jiohdi: as you can see from, Debian has had 2.6 for a good long while now.
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08:09<jiohdi>twb, ok, then why can't I get it with apt-get
08:10<twb>jiohdi: because you have installed Debian Stable, which is committed to preventing you from getting new releases.
08:10<gsimmons>tonguim: /etc/default/tftpd is not provided as this package supplies no init script.
08:10<MayaT>hello :)
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08:11<jiohdi>twb, I dont mind living a bit on the edge, how do I get around that
08:12<dpkg>rumour has it, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
08:12<twb>jiohdi: of course, you must understand that if you migrate to testing, you get new bugs as well as new features.
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08:12<jiohdi>twb, can't I just violate on a pkg basis?
08:12<MayaT>what is LVM and encrypted LVM?
08:13<_adb>!tell MayaT -about lvm
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08:14<MayaT>_adb, thanks
08:15<twb>jiohdi: technically you can, but you clearly do not have the experience to handle that kind of tap dancing on quicksand.
08:15<twb>jiohdi: if you try it now, you are liable to break most of your system.
08:15<jiohdi>twb, that much is probably true
08:15<jiohdi>twb, that I do not want :)
08:15<twb>jiohdi: it would be safer to simply switch to testing, I think.
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08:16<MayaT>help me om partition disk..
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08:16<jiohdi>twb, how long until 2.6 will show up in stable, do you reckon?
08:16<twb>jiohdi: new versions do not migrate to stable
08:17<twb>jiohdi: rather, testing becomes the next stable release.
08:17<twb>jiohdi: that is scheduled mid-2010, IIRC
08:17<dpkg>Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases.
08:17<dpkg>A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see
08:17<jiohdi>twb, so I should be able to get it in 2010 is what you are saying/
08:17<twb>jiohdi: if all goes well, I think so.
08:17<jiohdi>I guess I can wait
08:18<twb>jiohdi: I'm glad you can be reasoned with :-)
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08:18<jiohdi>I am new to debian, not stupid :)
08:18<jiohdi>I am new to linux relatively speaking
08:18<jiohdi>but I am a quick study when I can find things that make sense
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08:21<twb>jiohdi: you'd be amazed how many stupid people we get in here
08:21<jiohdi>twb, I have my moments too... but in general, I pick up stuff that interests me pretty quick
08:21*MayaT is stupid ok.. :) hahahaa
08:21<_adb>!tell MayaT -about ask
08:22<jiohdi>I was using ubuntu and mint, but I like the stability of debian better
08:22<MayaT>_adb, ok ok.. sorry.. :)
08:23<jiohdi>twb, do you know much about openbox-kde?
08:23<tonguim>twd: all articles on internet about dnsmasq refers to tftpd installation on debian:
08:23<twb>jiohdi: the only desktop environment I use is Emacs, sorry.
08:23<jiohdi>what is emacs like?
08:24<twb>tonguim: I can't help documentation being old or crap
08:24<twb>tonguim: I can pastebin a dnsmasq.conf that serves TFTP if it'll help
08:24<_adb>jiohdi, /msg dpkg emacs
08:24<jm_>default conf has examples anyway
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08:25<tonguim>twb: how to install it please?
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08:25<twb>tonguim: apt-get install dnsmasq
08:25<twb>The important ones for netboot seem to be --enable-tftp --tftp-root=/var/lib/tftpboot and --dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0
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08:26<twb>tonguim: oh, actually... are you trying to set up netbooting?
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08:26<twb>Gah, stupid rcirc
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08:26<twb>22:34 <tonguim> I'm trying to set up a netboot pxe system on a debian lenny computer
08:27<twb>tonguim: there is a new, dead easy way to do it
08:27<tonguim>twb: yes; i'm trying to setup a netboot pxe server for debian lenny
08:27<twb>tonguim: apt-get install di-netboot-assistant
08:27<twb>tonguim: that sets up netboot to install Debian -- it does everything for you.
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08:28<twb>tonguim: if OTOH you want to set up netboot for thin clients, I think you just install the ltsp5 package -- #ltsp on Freenode can help with that.
08:28<tonguim>i guess that di-netboot is a netboot assistant?
08:28<twb>Er, no.
08:29<twb>The package assists you to netboot the debian-installer (di).
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08:30<twb>tonguim: dnsmasq is a significant part of my job, so until I fall asleep, I'm happy to help.
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08:31<tonguim>Ah i see
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08:32<morodo>please help me i new in debian
08:32<jm_>!mind readers
08:32<dpkg>we ain't mind readers, and even if we were, we don't do comic books.
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08:33<tonguim>twb: in fact i've 5 computers that doesn't have a DVD drive, and one which has one
08:34<MayaT>pls help me on partition disks
08:34<tonguim>i'll would like to setup the DVD drive one so i can install debian on the DVD drive less one; you see?
08:34<jm_>MayaT: read installation manual, it's explained there
08:34<twb>tonguim: yes.
08:34<twb>tonguim: di-netboot-assistant will help with that
08:34<twb>tonguim: or you could just install Debian from USB keys
08:35<jm_>reminds me to buy 8G USB drive
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08:36<twb>Not that you need 8G for installing Debian -- 32MB is plenty
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08:36<jm_>yeah I need it for other stuff, but I'll install grml-medium on it too
08:36<twb>jm_: I just didn't want to freak out tonguim :-)
08:36<jm_>twb: heh
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08:43<dpkg>hu is probably Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
08:45<szilagyi11>haadtalavista siempre
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08:45<panya>mivan emberek
08:45<panya>kérdezhetném aztis h mi a p***öm van
08:45<panya>format c:
08:46<_adb>on a new lenny install , i turned off "recommends" but now xchat won't do automatic corrections , what i missed as packages ?
08:47<_adb>panya, and szilagyi11 stop that !
08:47<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
08:48<panya>debil debianosok
08:48<panya>nah csá
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09:03<tonguim>twb: in my dnsmasq config file, i've tftp-root=/var/ftpd rather than tftp-root=/var/lib/tftpboot
09:04<twb>tonguim: whatever
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09:04<twb>tonguim: as long as that's where your bootloader is
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09:04<panya>whats up gays?
09:04<panya>sorry guys
09:05<tonguim>Hi panya
09:05<tonguim>twb: i already have a dhcp server on the network
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09:05<tonguim>so should i put dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0?
09:05<twb>tonguim: fine, but you'll need to configure the next-server and filename properties on your DHCP server.
09:05<twb>tonguim: otherwise, your PXE client will not find the TFTP server
09:06<tonguim>twb: in fact the dhcp server is a modem-router one
09:06<twb>tonguim: then you are probably totally screwed
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09:07<twb>Even though that modem/router is probably running dnsmasq internally, you probably can't reconfigure it
09:07<panya>buffalo soldiers..whats up ?
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09:07<handheldCar>I'm going to switch back to debian today from ubuntu.
09:08<tonguim>yes i can't reconfigure it
09:09*handheldCar hates buffalo soldiers btw
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09:10<tonguim>twb: so cannot i setup the dnsmasq?
09:11<twb>tonguim: you just set up dnsmasq to be the TFTP part
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09:11<tonguim>yes right
09:11<twb>tonguim: dnsmasq includes DHCPd, DNSd and TFTPd -- you can use one, two, or all three.
09:11<twb>It is easiest to use all three, because the already know how to "point to" one another
09:12<twb>What you could do, if your box with dnsmasq on it has two interfaces, is use it as a router
09:12<twb>You make dnsmasq serve all three services to your "downstream" NIC and then have the installing machine connect to the internet via the "router" machine
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09:15<panya>ehh debil debianosok bakker gyikok
09:15<panya>nah csá
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09:16<tonguim>twb: i tried to restart dnsmasq but i got an error msg saying that /etc/dnsmasq.intranet.conf not found
09:16<Zathraz>hi. Is there such a thing as a W3C Amaya AMD64 .deb for Lenny. There are for Ubuntu but when deployed on Lenny it crashes like hell. The is no such thing officially, but unofficially?
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09:17<twb>tonguim: you've done something I don't understand
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09:18<twb>dpkg -l amaya
09:18<dpkg>ii amaya 2.1-15 twb's private porn collection
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09:19<tonguim>i understand what happen: in fact i added at the last line of the file the following: conf-file=/etc/dnsmasq.intranet.conf
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09:21<panya>visszajöttem gyikok
09:21<panya>i am back geeks
09:21<panya>translator on
09:22<panya>OO=====o - - - - - -
09:22<panya>Oo======o * * * * (hidegben)
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09:23<nelson_>Hi everyone!!
09:24<nelson_>any one to know a postfix channel?
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09:26<petemc>nelson_: probably #postfix on freenode
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09:26<nelson_>petemc: thanks my friend
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09:51<stefano>chi gentilmente mi può aiutare?
09:51<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:58<MayaT>hello :)
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09:59<MayaT>now i am the part of debian family...... :)
09:59<handheldCar>I'm about to return myself.
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10:00<MayaT>hoe to install my USB modem using debian?
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10:04<Tenguch>usb modem?
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10:05<MayaT>Tenguch, yes! usb vodafone modem
10:05<Tenguch>oh, for mobile 3g/gprs ?
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10:05<MayaT>Tenguch, yes
10:05<Tenguch>if so, there's a package provided by vodafone
10:06<Tenguch>MayaT: by the way : tooks me... well... 10s on google.
10:06*handheldCar was lol @ Tenguch running away.
10:07<MayaT>ok i try
10:07<Tenguch>handheldCar: well, I used a USB modem, years ago, and... well...
10:07<Tenguch>that was horrible on linux :D
10:07<Tenguch>and I think it's still horrible for DSL USB modems.
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10:07*handheldCar just said that b/c MayaT said ????
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10:10<fogel>i'm currently trying debian for apache web service
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10:10<fogel>but need to know how to use the default service to mail!!
10:10<fogel>does anyone knows how?
10:11<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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10:14<fogel>is that the package that is install on debian when you choose to provide mail service? exim4?
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10:22<z0ak>is anybody here who has some bind9 knowledge?
10:23<z0ak>and might be willing to help me with an urgent dns problem
10:23<bbou>a very little knoledge
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10:23<z0ak>i have the problem, that my setup domain seems to be only reachable from certain networks
10:24<z0ak>thats a dns report
10:24<z0ak>it gives some error messages
10:24<z0ak>but i cant interprete them -.-
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10:26<z0ak>a friend told me it could be the lack of a reverse dns zone
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10:26<bbou>what is
10:26<z0ak> is the domain
10:28<bbou>can we have you config fille ?
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10:29<z0ak>ok, plz allow a sec.
10:29<bbou>for SOA try this
10:29<fogel>thank petemc. But is there a wiki or a blog that gives me more guidelines to configure the mailservice?
10:30<[machine]>z0ak: unlikely to be the lack of reverse dns
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10:31<MayaT>bbou, hello :)
10:31<bbou>hello Maya
10:31<bbou>how was the first install of fdebian
10:31<MayaT>MayaT not Maya
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10:32<z0ak>ok here is the config:
10:32*MayaT means Dead Body
10:32<z0ak>; Zone file for
10:32<z0ak>; The full zone file
10:32<z0ak>$TTL 3D
10:32<z0ak>@ IN SOA (
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10:32<z0ak> 199802151 ; serial, todays date + todays serial #
10:32<z0ak> 8H ; refresh, seconds
10:32<z0ak> 2H ; retry, seconds
10:32<z0ak> 4W ; expire, seconds
10:32<z0ak> 1D ) ; minimum, seconds
10:32<bbou>stop Zoak
10:32<z0ak> NS ; Inet Address of name server
10:32<z0ak> MX 10
10:32<z0ak> TXT 'stilist'
10:32<z0ak>localhost A
10:32<MayaT>ya i already install debian at my another machine
10:32<z0ak>ns A
10:32<z0ak> A
10:32<z0ak>www A
10:32<[machine]>z0ak: pastebin please
10:33<fogel>thank petemc i'm gonna check that out.
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10:33<[machine]>z0ak: also, rather than the zone, can we see the named.conf
10:33<z0ak>uhm, im sry, what do u mean by pastebin? im quite a noob
10:33<z0ak>ah ok
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10:34<astronut>!TELL z0ak ABOUT PASTE
10:36<z0ak>ok, thx
10:36<z0ak>here it is
10:36<[machine]>z0ak: it doesn't break things usually, but convention is to encode your @ as . in SOA records
10:37<z0ak>oh, ok i see
10:38<z0ak>i should have known that
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10:39<z0ak>ok, i chaged that, could that have caused the trouble?
10:39<[machine]>z0ak: named.conf.{options,local}? ;)
10:39<[machine]>shouldn't really... i can see your soa from here fine
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10:40<sylock>hello. I want to setup QOS on a debian firewall. Someone have some good link, keywords ?
10:42<z0ak>arg im so slow...
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10:42<z0ak>the options
10:43<z0ak>oh uhm
10:43<z0ak>im just upped the conf again -.-
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10:45<sylock>nobody have something about qos?
10:45<sylock>nothing package in debian?
10:46<petemc>sylock: wondershaper
10:46<z0ak>how i hate windows -.- i had to download the files and open then, instead of just copying it from the the file directly
10:46<valdyn>sylock: qos is complex
10:46<z0ak>*then =them
10:47<[machine]>z0ak: all looks fine to me.. have you tried from anywhere else other than
10:47<valdyn>sylock: shorewall is packaged in debian and supports some kinds of qos and is documented
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10:48<z0ak>i tried in school, but i cant find the link at the moment
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10:49<valdyn>iirc wondershaper is a little broken
10:49<dpkg>somebody said wondershaper was a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy
10:50<valdyn>in the case of qos its well worth learning shorewall
10:50<z0ak>identical NS records ERROR. The NS records at all your nameservers are different, check the info above for details.
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10:50<z0ak>could it be that?
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10:54<[machine]>z0ak: all of the dns servers you configured with the resistry should be listed in your zone file
10:54<z0ak>machine: ah ok, isee, thank you :)
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10:55<z0ak>does it have to be an A record or NS?
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10:56<z0ak>ah, i think it should be NS
10:57<z0ak>i think i got it
10:57<z0ak>thank you very much
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11:00<sfyn>Got a php problem
11:01<sfyn>namely the command line interpreter doesn't really do anything
11:01<sfyn>I'm not sure how to debug
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11:03<astronut>what's the event in /etc/acpi/event that's triggered on low/critical battery? I want to set up auto-suspend on critical?
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11:09<z0ak>omg -.- now im getting new errors
11:09<z0ak>now it tells me i have no A records for the ns
11:09<z0ak>which i have
11:10<valdyn>z0ak: for which ns?
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11:12<valdyn>zobel: dig gives nothing
11:12<valdyn>z0ak: ^^
11:12<z0ak>the zone file for contained already A records for all the nameserver urls
11:12<peej>I want to install a cron entry without going into an editor. Eg echo '0 5 * * * run_a_file' >> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/peej ; echo ''>> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/peej - anything wrong with that? I mean, ignoring the warnings about editing the master, why worry about it?
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11:12<z0ak>uhm what does that mean, im not really confortable with linux commands
11:13<z0ak>its some kind of dns lookup
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11:13<valdyn>z0ak: it means "ask about"
11:13<k\t>if building _package_ on a 64 bit machine returns an error.... "incompatible with i386 output", would that mean that my compiler is trying to use 32-bit?
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11:14<z0ak>ok, thats strange
11:14<z0ak>it should tell you something
11:14<valdyn>z0ak: its telling me that it knows nothing, its not keeping quiet
11:14<z0ak>ah, ok thats better than nothing
11:15<z0ak>do u have an idea whats to do?
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11:15<valdyn>z0ak: fix the zone file
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11:16<z0ak>i would, if id know what...wold you point me to if i show you the zonbefile?
11:16<valdyn>z0ak: the error "No NS A records at nameservers" is not relevant when both nameservers are on different tld
11:16<valdyn>z0ak: the error "No NS A records at nameservers" is not relevant when both nameservers are on different domains
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11:16<peej>valdyn, were you correcting the dig syntax? The @host must precede the host to look up. ("zobel: dig gives nothing")
11:17<valdyn>z0ak: you can look at any zone file of any functional domain by using the dig command
11:18<z0ak>valdyn: ok ill try that, thx
11:18<valdyn>z0ak: "dig SOA" would give you a functional though incomplete zone file
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11:19<valdyn>z0ak: somehow you can get the complete zone file too, i think
11:20<valdyn>z0ak: ah, complete zone is probably disallowed on most name servers
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11:21<peej>ooooh. crontab can read an entire file in. All these years and I never knew that.
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11:22<z0ak>hm but if there is no probleme with missing A records du to the different domain
11:22<peej>sometimes I think I know so much about things, and then something like that comes along and destroys my soul.
11:22<z0ak>there should be no problem anymore at all
11:23<valdyn>z0ak: your autoritative nameserver is, and that one has no A record for
11:23<sfyn>Anyone here want to help me fix my install of php cli?
11:24<valdyn>z0ak: nvm, now its ok
11:26<valdyn>z0ak: i was looking at the wrong domain
11:26*peej discovers an entire discussion on editing cron without an editor at
11:26<z0ak>valdyn: ah ok, because to that namespace4you server i have no access
11:26<valdyn>z0ak: youre setting up nameservers that arent registered
11:27<z0ak>uhm, so?
11:27<z0ak>what does that mean to me?
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11:29<valdyn>z0ak: means that they cant be used before your domain is already looked up
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11:30<NamekTran>can someone help me
11:30<z0ak>i think that already happened, the domain is working some time already
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11:30<valdyn>z0ak: umm
11:30<valdyn>z0ak: when random user looks you up
11:31<z0ak>it took like 2 days for the dns change to take üplace
11:31<valdyn>z0ak: then he has get get your nameserver from the root nameservers
11:31<NamekTran>hello someone where do i download debian
11:31<valdyn>z0ak: he wont pick up the unregistered nameservers that way
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11:32<valdyn>z0ak: having nameservers only available after they are no longer needed is somewhat silly
11:32<NamekTran>how can i download debian? .. -_-
11:32<z0ak>but he is needed because i have registered my domain directly at the nic and they do not provide any dnys
11:33<valdyn>z0ak: when you register a domain you *do* register a nameserver
11:33<z0ak>so i needed to setup my own dns in order to use my domain
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11:33<valdyn>z0ak: adding hidden nameserver on top of that is near useless
11:34<z0ak>yeah, so they are registered
11:34<sney`>I just use for dns when my host doesn't provide one
11:34<valdyn>z0ak: for .org you even *have* *to* specifiy 2 independent nameservers
11:34<z0ak>hteys are registered at the nic
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11:34<NamekTran>what should i do there
11:35<valdyn>z0ak: at the nic? then they should already be propagated to root i would think
11:35<lancelot_of>hallo does anyone know where the acroread plugins dir is located?
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11:35<valdyn>z0ak: but i can only see " and"
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11:36<sney`>NamekTran: what kind of computer do you have
11:36<z0ak>or on
11:36<NamekTran>i have a antec 902
11:36<valdyn>z0ak: ah, on its ok it seems
11:36<sney`>what kind of cpu?
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11:37<valdyn>z0ak: that error is also gone now
11:37<sney`>NamekTran: do you have a fast internet connection?
11:37<NamekTran>i have 10mb
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11:38<z0ak>its not
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11:38<z0ak>did u got that right?
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11:39<valdyn>z0ak: yes
11:39<z0ak>ah ok :) cool
11:39<valdyn>z0ak: i only see one severe error now though, thats SOA MNAME Check
11:39<z0ak>yeah, i see that error too
11:39<z0ak>do u think it will cause trouble?
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11:39<z0ak>i tried to edit solve it
11:40<valdyn>z0ak: the SOA needs to be registered at your service provider too
11:41<valdyn>z0ak: it does not cause problems in itself, your is just not authorative
11:41<NamekTran>i download it now can i boot it from usb?
11:41<valdyn>z0ak: which makes no difference if records match between and the real SOA
11:41<sney`>oh, you needed usb?
11:41<z0ak>ah ok, i just add to the nic's dns ?
11:41<NamekTran>my dvd drive is broken
11:42<valdyn>z0ak: as SOA
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11:42<sney`> this one.
11:42<soul9>anyone here know rdiff-backup?
11:43<NamekTran>tx :D
11:43<soul9>i have run out of space
11:43<soul9>now i can't remove old backups :)
11:43<z0ak>hm, but this .st nic has only the option to provide dns server hostnames
11:43<z0ak>it says primary dns
11:43<valdyn>z0ak: the SOA is what you directly modify
11:43<z0ak>and so on
11:44<valdyn>z0ak: everything else is secondary nameserver which are supposed to copy the zone files from the SOA
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11:45<z0ak>hm, but i have no option to edit any zone file there, you can only add nameservers
11:45<valdyn>z0ak: thats ok then too
11:45<NamekTran>Thank you very much sney :)
11:45<NamekTran>bye bye
11:45<valdyn>z0ak: if you just hand over authority to the supposed to be SOA
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11:46<z0ak>omg. he just dont wants to take
11:46<valdyn>z0ak: and that one gets the proper NS entries by you
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11:47<z0ak>i dont get that, i mean its the same host as, but he just dont want to save it
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11:47<z0ak>for no reason, with no error message
11:48<z0ak>never buy some obscure over sea domain which was bought by some provider
11:48<petemc>i always wanted a cook islands business domain
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11:52<z0ak>it seems like this funny webinterface of wont accept a nameserver from the same domain
11:52<valdyn>z0ak: is the parent and has no SOA entry
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11:53<valdyn>zobel: that means that is the current SOA
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11:53<valdyn>z0ak: ^^
11:53<lancelot_of>guys, i need to open an encrypted pdf file for which the Acrobat FileOpen plugin is explicitely required, but i can't find the way of installing it on debian 'cause i can't find the plugins directory of acrored, please hellp
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11:54<z0ak>uhm, does that mean i can change my zone file to this settings?
11:55<z0ak>i mean specifying as primary ns for
11:55<z0ak>ins the local zone fiule
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12:03<NamekTran>allo sney
12:03<lancelot_of>does anyone help me?
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12:03<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
12:03<themill>lancelot_of: dmm's acroread-plugins package has /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/plug_ins/
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12:05<themill>lancelot_of: you can also usually remove those restrictions using pdftk, ps2pdf or similar. Viewers like evince and kpdf normally ignore these silly restrictions anyway.
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12:05<NamekTran>can someone help me i downloaded boot.img.gz from debian
12:05<NamekTran>and idk what to do now
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12:06<lancelot_of>themill, thanks for your pdf viewver is able to ignore those restrictions...i tride pdfcrack but with no i'm going to follow your suggestions
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12:07<NamekTran>what do i do with the boot.img.gz
12:07<sney>write it to your usb drive using dd or cat
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12:07<z0ak_>sry, i had a disconnect, i might have missed a reply
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12:08<NamekTran>i did
12:08<NamekTran>what do i do now
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12:09<sney>keep it plugged in and reboot
12:09<NamekTran>thank you
12:09<sney>you might need to go into BIOS and tell it to boot from usb
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12:09<sney>I bet he'll be back, he probably just copied the file to the drive
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12:12<lancelot_of>themill, but with pdftk a password is needed in order to decrypt my document, and i don't have any
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12:12<NamekTran>it didnt work
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12:12<sney>how did you copy it to the drive
12:13<NamekTran>cat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc
12:13<sney>did you sync
12:13<NamekTran>how to sync
12:13<sney>just 'sync'
12:14<sney>it helps after writing to USB drives etc, as linux tends to cache those
12:15<NamekTran>uhm now i cant open the usb
12:15<sney>ah, no it needed to be extracted
12:15<sney>I always forget about this
12:15<sney>it's not cat, it's zcat
12:16<sney>dang, this is more complex than last time I did it. I wonder if that was a custom image...
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12:16<NamekTran>but my usb wont show up now
12:17<sney>unplug and re-plug
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12:18<NamekTran>doesn't work
12:18<sney>what does dmesg |tail show
12:19<lancelot_of>is it possible no solution for my thread?
12:19<NamekTran>sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
12:19<NamekTran>sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
12:19<NamekTran>sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] 1984000 512-byte hardware sectors: (1.01 GB/968 MiB)
12:19<NamekTran>sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
12:19<NamekTran>sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
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12:20<NamekTran>lol i got kick
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12:21<sney>yes, you shouldn't paste things here
12:22<NamekTran>hehe wont do it again
12:22<sney>I have to leave soon but someone else can help you write the installer to USB
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12:22<NamekTran>but what happend to my usb
12:22<sney>I don't know
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12:23<sney>can you paste your dmesg |tail to ?
12:24<NamekTran>i think i fixed it
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12:25<NamekTran>i paste it now
12:25<sney> here is the manual for USB install
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12:26<NamekTran>i go eat now see ya
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12:29<z0ak>it seems my domain is still not reachable from certain isp's
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12:33<sney>z0ak: DNS takes about 12-24 hours to propagate fully
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12:34<z0ak>sney: even if i make only local changes to my dns server (which is public)?
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12:35<z0ak>ah ok, then it might not be lost
12:36<z0ak>do u think a SOA MNAME Check error can cause resolving trouble?
12:36<sney>I'm not very well versed in the details, I just know that it takes some time for the rest of the internet to notice something has changed
12:37<z0ak>ok, thx
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12:41<millennia>A question about the xfce install disc 1- How do you tell it to start you in a shell instead of immediately going to the gui, and how do you exit from xfce without shutting down the whole system?
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12:53<besieged>i'm trying to get wireless working on a dell vostro 1500 using lenny. i've gone through both of these: and and it still won't work
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12:56<cahoot>besieged: do you even get a working wlan device? iwlist scan
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12:58<besieged>its not listed in there
12:58<besieged>however it is a laptop with built in wireless
12:59<cahoot>got its pciid? lspci -nn
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13:00<besieged>was trying to find that command, thanks, but thats how i knew my drivers i needed
13:00<besieged>0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
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13:03<cahoot>besieged: I doubt the b43 version in lenny supports that device
13:03<besieged>:/ so does that mean there is no hope?
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13:04<cahoot>there's always hope
13:04<Torsten_W>4312 only supportet by broadcom-sta
13:04<dpkg>atl1c is a driver for Atheros L1C PCI-E gigabit Ethernet controllers (AR8131, AR8132), used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline 4810T, Asus Eee PC 1005HA). Included in the mainline since kernel 2.6.30 (which was broken, see Debian bug #538410); use of kernel 2.6.31 or later is recommended.
13:04<Torsten_W>initial support for 4312 is in linux 2.6.32
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13:06<besieged>so, where would i get such thing?
13:06<_adb>works too on .31
13:06<Torsten_W>only with broadcom-sta
13:06<Torsten_W>not with b43
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13:06<Torsten_W>and broadcom-sta is not in sid anymore, so not in the next debian-release
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13:07<calam> -
13:07<besieged>get it direcetly from broadcom then?
13:08<_adb>besieged, ^^
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13:09<besieged>o.O wants a user/pass
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13:12<besieged>that's either a "noooo" i've i'm being dumb and should do something differently then i think or you didn't expect it to be passworded
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13:13<_adb>it's free/anonimous access
13:13<_adb>try any debian mirror , then
13:14<besieged>thats odd then, i get a prompt to login, i click anonymous and it doesn't let me in :/
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13:14<besieged>oh now it works v0v
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13:22<besieged>thanks for the help, not sure if its working yet, but i have to go for dinner :/
13:22<besieged>this should get me on the right path
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13:23<_adb>install .031 and use m-a to add the module ..
13:24<NamekTran>can someone help me install debian with usb
13:24<EJ>hi all! can't set defaul Gnome screen res thru cli, xorg.conf lists none. is it set somewhere?
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13:26<NamekTran>can someone help me install debian with usb
13:26<_adb>EJ, X -configure :1 , as root
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13:27<NamekTran>_adb can u help me 2
13:27<_adb>!tell NamekTran -about usb install
13:27<_adb>installation is the same as normal one
13:28<NamekTran>yees but how can i make usb boot
13:28<EJ>_adb thanks, but i treid and no successs. is there another .conf file somewhere that you know of?
13:29<_adb>EJ, try again , it must work
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13:29<_adb>NamekTran, /msg dpkg usb install
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13:29<EJ>_adb i saw you added ":1" to X -configure. am i right?
13:30<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. #xorg on
13:30<_adb>EJ, yes
13:30<EJ>_adb thanks, i did not know that option :) i'll try :)
13:31<NamekTran>adb i got a boot.img.gz and debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
13:32<_adb>NamekTran, read bot message and the manual
13:32<NamekTran>should i just write /msg dpkg usb install
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13:33<NamekTran>nothing happends when i write /msg dpkg usb install
13:35<_adb>!usb install
13:35<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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13:36<EJ>_adb thanks, the color depths are set, but my screen says "out of sync". i can't find default resolution.
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13:42<Guest122>Are there some Latinamerican people here?
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13:43<Guest122>I'm newbie here
13:43<faheem>Guest122: there are language specific channels if you want them
13:43<Guest122>Oh thanks man
13:43<faheem>if you are not comfortable with english
13:44<Guest122>No it is not
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13:44<Guest122>I born in Costa Rica
13:46<Guest122>Ok I would like to know people that like to teaching others how the xploit works
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13:47<Guest122>I understood how the channel works
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14:11<The_Seeker>!install debian
14:11<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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14:17<mercutio22>I plugged in my external USB drive and got an error message: "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume". How can I fix that?
14:17<stefano>dove posso trovare aiuto?
14:17<stefano>powerbook g4 debian 5
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14:21<AzaToth>I was in process of making a patch for a package but ended up putting too much into one single patch. Now I'm looking for a way to split the patch into smaller separate parts. Do you know any tools that might help me? (tried the different patchutils but didn't suceed that much)
14:22<themill>filterdiff is probably waht you need, unless you want to edit the patch file by hand
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14:23<Guest129>Hello. May anybody help me to reset gksu keyring password?
14:24<AzaToth>themill: I'll try that more, was difficult to figure out how to only take specific parts of a file
14:25<themill>AzaToth: you might need --hunks
14:26<AzaToth>themill: perhaps a good way would be to split the giant patch into one file for each changed line
14:27<AzaToth>themill: though first that splittdiff would do that, but :(
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14:39<Guest129>Thanks, i already solve this problem.
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15:03<besieged>:/ can't get that wifi to work still
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15:07<besieged>tried installing broadcom-sta, its installed, but that doesn't seem to let me connect
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15:09<Torsten_W>besieged, broadcom-sta is a module source
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15:09<Torsten_W>besieged, u must build the module for your running kernel-from it
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15:10<Torsten_W>besieged, and you must blacklist b43
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15:11<oktam>ahoj :-)
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15:12<oktam>please, is there possibility to get a list of installed packages but only those which i instaled directly - not as requirement for other package?
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15:14<babilen>oktam: aptitude search ~i~\!~M
15:15<oktam>babilen: Unknown user: i~!~M.
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15:15<babilen>oktam: What is the exact command you entered?
15:15<oktam>babilen: i copied your text
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15:16<oktam>exactly this: aptitude search ~i~\!~M
15:16<babilen>oktam: Ah, sorry
15:16<babilen>oktam: It is aptitude search ~i\!~M
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15:17<oktam>babilen: same error msg. i have squeeze if it helps...
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15:19<babilen>oktam: No, aptitude search ~i\!~M should work... Could you paste the output + command somewhere?
15:19<oktam>aptitude search ~i\!~M
15:19<oktam>Unknown user: i!~M.
15:19<oktam>exact command & exact error msg
15:20<eoliva_>I need a help with alsa, I installed Debian on my notebook and it found 2 cards, a pcsp and a intel card...I created a asound.conf in /etc to point to the second card as default...and my sound works very well. But when I set the channel volumes and then save, it does not restores after the boot, why??
15:21<babilen>oktam: try '/usr/bin/aptitude ~i\!~M' and paste the output to
15:21<babilen>oktam: which shell do you use?
15:21<oktam>i like colors
15:21<babilen>oktam: I guess tcsh tries to escape the ~ in that command. Try escaping those too
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15:22<themill>oktam: tcsh is hardly a necessary condition for colours!
15:22<babilen>oktam: That might be: aptitude search \~i\!\~M
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15:23<oktam>babilen: now it is better but now i see i think all packages, not only those installed manually
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15:24<oktam>themill: i do not know other way to specify this ([oktam@kacerovo][21:22:36][~/daco]>) in other shell
15:24<babilen>oktam: safe the list to man_install.txt and then run 'aptitude search \~i' , safe that to all_install.txt and diff the files
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15:24<themill>babilen: fyi that sort of escaping is also necessary for zsh should you find yourself up against that one day :) (actually, just '~i!~M' should be enough)
15:25<themill>oktam: there's a "bash prompt howto" that will help you with that. It's not hard to construct that sort of prompt in bash either.
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15:25<babilen>themill: Yes, i have been using zsh for some time, but left it when i got fed up with its lack of unicode support. the '...' is actually a great idea and I wonder why it did not occur to me :-)
15:26<oktam>babilen: i saved both outputs, can you help me with diff?
15:26<babilen>diff file_a file_b
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15:26<babilen>or vimdiff file_a file_b
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15:27<millennia>I installed using the xfce disc 1, how do I set things so it boots into a shell instead of directly into the gui, and have it let me leave xfce back to a shell instead of only shutting down the system?
15:27<oktam>babilen: output does not look like mine packages..
15:29<themill>babilen: yeah, bash can be annoying with ! too...
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15:29<oktam>themill: i already have dash, do you think that it will be simple there too? )
15:29<babilen>oktam: dash is not meant as a login shell, but as a shell that is used to execute system scripts
15:30<babilen>oktam: these are most certainly 'your' packages...
15:30<babilen>oktam: paste the output somewhere and I might help. Why do you think that the output is wrong?
15:31<oktam>babilen: jes, i see now. bash is shell, dash is just in /bin/sh
15:31<oktam>babilen: give me a sec
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15:32<babilen>oktam: actually - no ... But read
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15:33<babilen>oktam: Please don't message me. The files look perfectly fine. What appears to be the problem?
15:34<oktam>babilen: it looks to me that packages without A are installed manually - but not all of them
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15:35<babilen>oktam: Which one for example?
15:35<oktam>for example - every lib*
15:35<oktam>adduser, apt-utils, bash
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15:36<fogel>hi there! I'm trying to install mail service. Using exim4.
15:36<babilen>oktam: Some of these packages are essential packages of the system. Have you used apt-get before?
15:36<oktam>hmm, is it possible that packages which are installed during installation of system are considered as "manually installed"?
15:36<oktam>babilen: i installed all packages using apt-get
15:36<NamekTran>how can i install debian with usb
15:36<babilen>oktam: You can ask why a certain package is installed: "aptitude why <package>
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15:37<babilen>oktam: actually aptitude is the default package manager on debian lenny
15:37<babilen>oktam: apt-get and aptitude handle dependencies a little differently...
15:37<NamekTran>can u help me 2
15:37<oktam>babilen: ahh, so i should use only aptitude
15:38<oktam>actually i am goint to reinstal system, thats why i wanted list of packages...
15:38<fogel>is there a IRC channel dedicated to exim4 support?
15:38<oktam>so this is valuable info.
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15:38<CJ>anyone active on here?
15:38<NamekTran>can u guys help me install debian
15:38<babilen>oktam: good...
15:38<babilen>fogel: #exim maybe?
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15:39<oktam>babilen: ok, big thanks for your help
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15:39<NamekTran>can someone help me
15:39<oktam>themill: i`ll try to fall in love with bash ;)
15:40<CJ>Whats the issue NamekTran?
15:40<NamekTran>idk how to install debian with usb
15:40<oktam>NamekTran: idk but i found this
15:40<NamekTran>thx :)
15:41<oktam>hope it helps :)
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15:41<themill>oktam: everyone has their favourite shell... I gave up on tcsh 14 or 15 years ago though; it was never my favourite.
15:41<oktam>themill: 15 yeras ago i was learning how to eat and stay clean ;)
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15:42<CJ>I hear that haha
15:43<oktam>themill: i found this week that tcsh is suicide for scripting
15:43<oktam>themill: but except scripting i see no difference from other shells
15:44<CJ>I have never really worked with it... Don't you have to do your scripting in C?
15:44<oktam>to be true - i seen that i do not need to do 'rehash' in bash after installation of new package
15:45<millennia>stupid question. I installed lenny from the xfce disc 1, but it boots directly into xfce and won't let me leave it without a system shutdown. I'd rather boot to a shell and be able to leave xfce.
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15:46<CJ>No beans NamekTran?
15:47<NamekTran>beans? >.<
15:47<babilen>!tell NamekTran -about usb install
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15:47<CJ>NamekTran Did you get it to work
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15:48<NamekTran>not really
15:48<NamekTran>when i try to boot from usb
15:48<NamekTran>its just show black screen
15:49<NamekTran>!msg dpkg install debian
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15:49<NamekTran>install debian
15:50<patrikf>NamekTran: /msg dpkg ...
15:50<patrikf>not !
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15:52<CJ>what does that command do?
15:52<NamekTran>when i go to this site
15:52<witte>CJ: do you mean the /msg dpkg ...?
15:52<NamekTran>what iso should i take
15:52<babilen>CJ: It converts every Windows installation to a perfectly configured Debian one...
15:52<witte>!tell CJ about self-tell
15:53<patrikf>NamekTran: take the netinst CD or the CD1 if your computer has broadband internet
15:53<witte>CJ, well, that factoid was not 100 % related to your question, but the answer is in there :-)
15:54<CJ>thanks guys
15:54<CJ>NamekTran dont know if you looked at this but
15:55<NamekTran>i didnt :)
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15:55<NamekTran>i looked at that
15:56<NamekTran>i dont understand
15:56<NamekTran>first i write zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
15:56<NamekTran>after then what
15:57<CJ>are you looking to install from the usb? or just boot a live usb?
15:57<babilen>NamekTran: copy the netinst iso to it..
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15:57<CJ>look at that same page but at
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15:57<NamekTran>just copy
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15:58<NamekTran>i tryed but
15:58<NamekTran>when i boot from usb
15:58<NamekTran>its just black screen
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15:58<CJ>did you create the syslinux.cfg?
15:59<CJ>yeah that is the file that does all the init stuff
15:59<NamekTran>but how do i create one
16:00<babilen>NamekTran: You might have to create a suitable MBR on the usb stick. See 4.3.3
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16:01<CJ>I would say run though the steps on that site and then come back to us
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16:02<babilen>Try 4.3.1 + 4.3.3 first and then 4.3.2
16:02<NamekTran>see you guys later
16:02<babilen>good luck
16:02<CJ>peace easy NamekTran
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16:04<CJ>I am pretty new to IRC what are some of the thigns I should check out
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16:05<faheem>CJ: documentation of your IRC client? a IRC usage doc
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16:05<CJ>I was thinking more like channels and what not
16:05<besieged>trying to build these broadcom drivers, getting an error :WARNING: modpost: missing MODULE_LICENSE()
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16:11<millennia>is it a required part of debian that you must boot directly into the gui?
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16:11<witte>millennia: no
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16:12<millennia>how do I set it not to do that?
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16:12<mib_ifh903bv>anybody know debian 64bit, i have a little problem anybody can help me?
16:12<witte>millennia: you just want to get a prompt after booting?
16:13<babilen>mib_ifh903bv: sure, what is your problem.
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16:13<witte>millennia: you can remove your display manager (gdm)
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16:13<millennia>I want to be able to start the display manager manually
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16:14<Xenguy>millennia: install 'rcconf', then disable 'gdm' from starting on boot
16:14<babilen>millennia: You have to remove gdm/xdm from the runlevel. Run for example sysv-rc-conf and remove gdm from the runlevels
16:14<Xenguy>is one way
16:14<millennia>ok, I'll try that
16:14<babilen>millennia: Or use rcconf as Xenguy suggested.
16:14<mib_ifh903bv>i have a new reinstallation of debian64bit with plesk interface, all working but the email server is wrong, i cant connect via outlook, i look at dns entrys all ok, i switch the email to forwarding and ok its going but the email that arrived is a logfile ?!?
16:15<dpkg>somebody said update-rc.d was used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead.
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16:15<millennia>I went looking for rc.conf in etc, but it wasn't there
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16:15<Xenguy>millennia: apt-get install rcconf
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16:15<witte>millennia: you can also remove /etc/init.d/gdm but that is the nasty option
16:16<babilen>millennia: don't do that please (remove /etc/init.d/gdm
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16:16<mib_ifh903bv>babilen: i have a new reinstallation of debian64bit with plesk interface, all working but the email server is wrong, i cant connect via outlook, i look at dns entrys all ok, i switch the email to forwarding and ok its going but the email that arrived is a logfile ?!?
16:17<babilen>mib_ifh903bv: Sorry, i have no idea what you are talking about.
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16:17<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
16:17<witte>babilen: you are right, it is not something he should try, my fault
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16:17<Cristian>Can i ask something about wifi ?
16:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:18<Xenguy>Cristian: are you running debian? ;-)
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16:18<s4br3>Hi, when I updated my Debian Sid a few hours ago, a reboot didn't proceed after grub2 screen. The error message was "error: You need to load the kernel first". I have only one kernel and no other OS. I manually edited from the grub prompt and renamed unnecessary /boot/vm*** to vm** which helped. After that I rand update_grub, which doesn't survive reboot. What can I do more?
16:18<Cristian>bue not using it right now
16:19<s4br3>Sorry, I renamed them /vm**
16:19<Cristian>I like to install in a computer w/o lan. There are any USB Wifi dongle that works with Debian installer ?
16:19<Cristian>I like to make a netinstall via wifi. No wired lan available.
16:19<babilen>mib_ifh903bv: What is this plesk interface? I could only find a commercial product of that name (parallels plesk) which is not part of debian. Which package do you have issues with?
16:20<mib_ifh903bv>parallels is right
16:20<mib_ifh903bv>the provide include it
16:20<witte>Cristian: it depends whether the wlan is supported in the kernel
16:21<mib_ifh903bv>is a interface of mysql server, mailserver and webserver
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16:21<babilen>mib_ifh903bv: contact parallels then for support. Sorry
16:21<Cristian>@witte yes, that why i ask, there are any list of supported by kernel wifi chipsets so i can buy the right one?
16:21<mib_ifh903bv>thx, but the support is only for linux, all destriputions
16:22<witte>Cristian: the link above has some more
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16:22<babilen>mib_ifh903bv: Great! That means you can get support from them.
16:22<mib_ifh903bv>not only for debian, redhat,ect.
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16:22<besieged>ok, so apparently that error message doesn't matter
16:22<witte>Cristian: and you can boot the disk and check whether you have wifi. If you have it there, you will have it during install as well
16:22<besieged>after i build the broadcom-sta i need to do make install?
16:23<Cristian>@witte many thanks, i will try it.
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16:37<handheldCar>I don't have the 1280 X 1024 resolution option.
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16:40<AzaToth>themill: done ツ
16:40<AzaToth>with the output
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16:42<AzaToth>took some hours...
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16:50<xj24>i have a problem with grub2. after installing it earlier, i verified that it'd boot properly, which it did. then i ran update-from-grub-legacy, which showed no errors. however now i just have a blank screen with grub 1.97, no menu entries, nothing. how can i fix this?
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16:54<handheldCar>How do I import my compiz profile?
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16:57<s4br3>xj, I just posted the same issue some minutes ago... :(
16:58<s4br3>xj24, I just posted the same issue some minutes ago... :(
16:58<s4br3>xj24: I manually edited from the grub prompt and renamed unnecessary /boot/vm*** to vm** which helped. After that I rand update_grub, but this doesn't survive reboot.
16:59<themill>AzaToth: yikes!
17:00<handheldCar>I don't think debian install the driver for my graphics card.
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17:10<xj24>anyone with a more helpful solution?
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17:10<handheldCar>Iceweasel has really small text.
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17:15<noflash>handheldCar, does "ctrl +" make it bigger
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17:16<handheldCar>sorry, I just caught that. I meant icedove menus.
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17:25<AzaToth>themill: :-P
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17:38<handheldCar>How do I get Nautilus to stop opening directories in new windows?
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17:42<jeromeg>handheldCar: google "nautilus spatial mode"
17:42<jeromeg>that's what you want to disable
17:43<jeromeg>IIRC there's an option in the preferences or in gconf
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17:50<handheldCar>ok it's the "open in browser" which confused me before I asked b/c it opened in the browser, but that's what I want.
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18:20<powerj>i am new to linux and am getting a bit frustrated with getting a hsdpa modem installed, would anybody be kind to help me? Spend a couple of hours on google now :(
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18:22<powerj>i have made some progress but im stuck on this error: `which udevadm` control --reload-rules;
18:22<powerj>unrecognized command 'reload-rules'
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19:04<tux007>Hi, can anybody help me with pptp passthrough on iptables?
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19:11<deniz>i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and kernel 2.6.30 IS installed but it doesn't show on grub and i can only boot 2.6.26
19:11<deniz>how can i make 2.6.30 show?
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19:14<foolishAussie>I recently reduced an LV but didn't resize the fs before hand. What is the best way to copy over whichever files aren't corrupt?
19:14<tux007>search another channel, here is nobody!
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19:15<handheldCar>Anybody know how to enable mouse wheel to change workspaces in gnome?
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19:17<foolishAussie>handheldCar: you should be able to when you mouse over the desktop switcher panel
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19:17<foolishAussie>*workspace-switcher in the GNOME panel
19:19<handheldCar>ok I'm asking regarding over wallpaper
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19:30<foolishAussie>I recently reduced an LV but didn't resize the fs before hand. What is the best way to copy over all the uncorrupted files?
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19:48<handheldCar>I can't ssh into my other computer, but I just ssh into it earlier. I changed my hostname, but I changed it back. I deleted my key and generated a new one, but connection is refused.
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20:28<handheldCar>What's the contrib source line(s)?
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20:30<ZeZu>for apt sources.list ?
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20:30<handheldCar>yes please
20:30<ZeZu>what does it do, or how do you add ?
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20:30<handheldCar>What's the uri, etc.
20:31<ZeZu>add by just appending contrib to the end of one of the deb lines
20:31<ZeZu>same uri as packages as long as that repo. has contrib
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20:32<RobbieThe1st>Hello all
20:33<handheldCar>Will the deb-src lines be alright?
20:33<ZeZu>you can also enable contrib in synaptic if installed
20:33<krabador>i tried to mount in root , win7 partition with ubuntu 9.10 , with ntfs-3g
20:33<ZeZu>if you do it on deb-src then you will only get it if you want the source
20:33<krabador>i can read , but not write inside
20:33<krabador>what can you tell me about?
20:34<ZeZu>you mounted manually ?
20:34<ZeZu>or added to fstab, or something else added it for you ?
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20:34<ZeZu>you may want to at least check /etc/fstab and see if there is an entry for it in there, and if it has a "ro" flag
20:35<RobbieThe1st>I have a question: I am trying to install a shell-based Debian system on an old P1-90mhz with 32megs of ram. I have an 80GB harddisk to work with, a DHCP-enabled network connection... but nothing else
20:35<krabador>ZeZu, i munted them manually
20:35<ZeZu>RobbieThe1st, is there anything on the hdd ?
20:35<ZeZu>RobbieThe1st, and does it have usb ?
20:36<krabador>ZeZu, i never had problems with ntfs of win xp and vista, i supposed no problem for win7 too
20:36<RobbieThe1st>No, and no. I however have a USB adaptor to connect the HD to my own comp, and load files that way
20:36<ZeZu>krabador, maybe the version of ntfs its using isn't supported for write operations, i'd `man ntfs-3g` and check
20:36<RobbieThe1st>So, I can partition the thing however I want, no worries about losing data.
20:36<ZeZu>RobbieThe1st, its "possible" to do it that way, but its going to be a real big pain in the a$$
20:37<krabador>ZeZu, it exist an option that can let me write, like "ntfs-3g fstype"'
20:37<RobbieThe1st>Yea, I kind of figured as much. Unfortunatly, I have no choice - all it has is a floppy, and that doesn't seem to work properly any more
20:37<ZeZu>krabador, i have no idea, either someone else would need to help you with that, or you'll have to investigate
20:39<RobbieThe1st>Now, earlier I managed to -nearly- get it installed; I got grub setup on the HD, the install files on there as well as an ISO... I was able to get it to load, but half way through the install it crashed, trying to load one module
20:39<ZeZu>RobbieThe1st, then you'll need to rebuild a kernel for it manually most likely, or find a very old dist. that will support it and write to the hdd
20:39<krabador>ZeZu, yes i like investigate (that's my issues) but i wouldn't do nothing if it would be impossible to do
20:40<ZeZu>krabador, yea .. i dont know really, it should give you some sort of message if it was mounting it RO w/o you specifying
20:40<RobbieThe1st>Ok, fair enough.. But, what I need to know is, how should I go about getting an install setup - Should I try to get it fully "pre-installed" to the harddisk, or just get the install files on there and install it on the comp itself
20:41<RobbieThe1st>Also, what about this whole "debootstrap" setup I see in the debian install guide?
20:41<krabador>ZeZu, i had "operation not allowed"
20:41<krabador>ZeZu, something like this
20:41<ZeZu>I would find a root filesystem for i386, then build a kernel and drop it in and attempt to boot with grub
20:41<krabador>without other reasons
20:41<ZeZu>if grub works, then you've won half the battle there
20:42<ZeZu>not allowed or not supported ?
20:42<RobbieThe1st>I can get grub working - I did it once before - But, once I have that, then what do I do?
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20:44<krabador>ZeZu, i don't remember correctly, but one of them, would be impossible to solve?
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20:44<ZeZu>you connect it to another pc, parition, copy filesystem, build a kernel or use a premade one that will support IDE and then put it in fs and try to boot it
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20:45<ZeZu>krabador, no idea, i dont use the word impossible normally anyhow
20:45<RobbieThe1st>Alright, thanks
20:45<krabador>ZeZu, :9
20:46<krabador>ZeZu, thanx for support i'll read ntfs-3g manual
20:46<Guest157>anyone here know why lvm on sw raid is disabled by default on debian?
20:46<Guest157>from /etc/lvm.conf: md_component_detection = 1
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20:49<Guest157>i mean, is there a known problem with lvm on disk md disk devices?
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21:03<valdyn>Guest157: theres no problem, and i never notived it being disabled
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21:18<dpkg>rules is probably 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
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21:29<Guest157>valdyn: you're right, that is not the problem
21:30<Guest157>sorry, i just found it irc.debian == irc.oftc, i'm soul9 over there ;)
21:30<soul9># pvcreate /dev/md1
21:30<soul9> Device /dev/md1 not found (or ignored by filtering).
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21:33<dli>soul9, setting up software raid?
21:34<soul9>o, lvm on top of that
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21:34<dli>soul9, but you don't get the raid up yet
21:34<soul9>yes i do
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21:34<soul9>mdstat says it's synced
21:35<dli>soul9, so, md1 is in /proc/mdstat
21:35<soul9>lemme reboot here just a sec
21:35<soul9>yes, it is
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21:38<soul9>doesn't work after reboot either :(
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21:39<soul9>and damnit, why is my unused raid array marked as used
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21:39<soul9>this is the main problem imo
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21:39<soul9>and it has been a pain disasembling the arrays and reassembling them
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21:40<soul9>somehow i can't stop, even unused arrays
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21:42<soul9># mdadm -S /dev/md1
21:42<soul9>mdadm: fail to stop array /dev/md1: Device or resource busy
21:42<soul9>like so↑
21:43<soul9>and i have stopped all mdadm services
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21:49<soul9>yep, and it also can't disable the md devices before shutting down
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21:59<TCW_> #558145 - ntp: init script uses dpkg-architecture from package dpkg-dev (Fixed: ntp/1:4.2.4p7+dfsg-4) <- apt-listbugs sometimes says "fixed: <version>", so the bug it lists is already fixed, very nice :) but why is this package not yet uploaded? No complian, I just want to understand the issue
21:59<TCW_>Not the issue specific to this bug, a general "could be why" explanation is fine
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22:03<soul9>maybe two people with different views are clashing on the bugtracker ;)
22:04<soul9>HA funny: i did an mkfs.ext3 on the md device before doing the pvcreate, and pvcreate worked after it :D
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22:07<TCW_>soul9, didn't pvcreate complain your are about to destroy an existing fs?
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22:15<int_80h>anyone ever have acpid not work for them out of the box
22:15<TCW_>linux-2.6 (2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1) unstable; urgency=low <- oops? an rc-kernel in sid? first time I see this
22:16<int_80h>I am fairly certain this is a bug I should report, just wanted to know if anyone else knew anything about it
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22:16<TCW_>int_80h, what laptop is it? A fairly new one?
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22:17<int_80h>ayuh...but the problem is that when the script finally gets around to calling xset, it doesn't have the display set up
22:17<int_80h>i threw an strace in the script to see why it was failing to run
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22:23<soul9>TCW_: nope, it didn't
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