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00:48<shadowlee>how to set mysql for working mode local only without acces remote i take install lenny and mysql-server 5.0
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01:18<RobbieThe1st>I'm having trouble with a harddisk-only-install - I have grub installed and working, a good vmlinuz and initrd.gz image, the installer boots... but cannot find my installer ISO image
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01:18<RobbieThe1st>dispite it being a known-good netinst iso image, and on the same partition as the boot files
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01:22<jm_>which kernel and vmlinuz?
01:22<gsimmons>RobbieThe1st: You are using "hd-media" vmlinuz and initrd.gz files?
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01:23<RobbieThe1st>Yea, the ones from
01:24<RobbieThe1st>and my CD is the debian 5.03 netinst one.
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01:26<gsimmons>RobbieThe1st: Check the progress of the installer (Alt-F4), specifically output from "iso-scan". Note that only the root directory and first level of subdirectories are scanned for .iso/.ISO files.
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01:28<RobbieThe1st>Ok, thanks. Found the problem. Its an EXT4 partition, and it is only trying to mount it as ext 2/3 and failing
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01:45<RobbieThe1st>Ok, got the installer working properly. Now I'm getting this message "INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode(UTF-8)", it flashes on the screen for a sec, then disappears.
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01:45<RobbieThe1st>and keeps flashing
01:46<RobbieThe1st>oh, and it has a process number at the beginning of the message, that keeps incrementing by a few every message
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01:47<browser>I've got a really weird issue with X on debian unstable
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01:47<browser>it appears that I can connect with a client with authentication off, despite xhost telling me that authentication is on.
01:47<browser>no .Xauthority copied or anything.
01:48<browser>doing an strace of xmessage hello shows that the client says it has no auth avail and the server accepts it.
01:48<browser>any ideas?
01:50<shadowlee>hi, how to stablish the mysql configuration in order to work local mode and not access remote
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02:17<amol>hi to all, i have .dat file which is detected as a text file so i am not able to play it.any one can tell me how to play .dat file in debian
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02:42<v4hid>Hello My friends :)
02:42<v4hid>I'm V4HID, new debian user
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02:42<v4hid>i have a problem in "install php on apache2"
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02:43<v4hid>when i use "make" command, i get error for gcc header files
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02:43<v4hid>for example : In file included from /usr/include/netinet/in.h:24,
02:43<v4hid> from /usr/include/netdb.h:28,
02:43<v4hid> from /home/v4hid/Downloads/php-5.2.11/ext/mysql/php_mysql.c:60:
02:43<v4hid>/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/include/stdint.h:59: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'int8_t'"
02:43<v4hid>who can help me?
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02:47<jm_>are you using debian?
02:48<gsimmons>RobbieThe1st: Are you preseeding d-i, or supplying the bootkbd= boot option?
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02:52<v4hid>jm_ : yes
02:52<v4hid>jm_ : Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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02:54<jm_>v4hid: so use debian packages instead of compiling
02:55<v4hid>jm_: what package?
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02:55<gsimmons>dpkg: tell v4hid -about install php
02:57<v4hid>ok dears :) thanks ; i test this coammands :) BRB
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03:13<royu>I have question about pulseaudio
03:13<royu>when i type pulseaudio -D
03:14<royu>it's said that cannot set UID on session objext
03:15<royu>polkit-session.c 144 polkit_session_set _uid() : session !=NULL
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03:15<royu>Do you guys have any ideas for things to try?
03:15<royu>thanks in advance !
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03:22<Delano>Hi... I'm a bit of a n00b, so please bear with me :op
03:22<Delano>I wanna get Lenny but with KDE instead of gnome
03:23<Delano>I'm a little confused at to what version of KDE the latest stable uses?
03:23<jm_>!info kdebase lenny
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03:24<dpkg>kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
03:24<Delano>also, I saw there's a live CD of Debian-KDE, but is it just a live CD or is it an installable system too
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03:25<jm_>don't think it's installable
03:25<babilen>Delano: There are CD/DVD images that contain all necessary packages to install KDE. But generally speaking: If you have internet access during the installation it makes much more sense to use a netinstall CD and install/download exactly what you want/need
03:27<Delano>babilen, yeah, but I live in South Africa, and my ISP is pretty shoddy
03:28<Delano>So getting a full .iso works out best
03:28<Delano>I'm an Ubuntu user, and I wanna move on
03:29<babilen>Delano: There are ISOs named 'debian-503-ARCH-kde-CD-1.iso' that contain everything you need to install the base system + KDE
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03:29<Delano>babilen, yeah, but I dunno if it has KDE3 or 4?
03:29<Delano>babilen, sorry if I sound dense
03:30<babilen>Delano: Debian contains 26.000+ packages though shipped on 5 DVDs ... Con
03:31<babilen>judd: versions kde
03:31<judd>babilen: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48
03:31<babilen>install kdebase
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03:31<jm_>Delano: dpkg told you 7 minutes ago
03:32<babilen>judd: versions kdebase
03:32<judd>babilen: kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 sid: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 experimental: 4:4.2.0-1 sid: 5:55 squeeze: 5:55
03:32<babilen>jm_: Oh ... I overlooked that.
03:32<Delano>jm_, oh, sorry
03:32<Delano>I overlooked it too
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03:32<babilen>Delano: Debian stable (lenny) comes with 3.5.9
03:33<Delano>Hmm, I'm confused
03:33<Delano>dpkg listed 4:3 as being in Lenny?
03:34<babilen>Delano: No, it is 3.5.9 - I am not sure though what the '4:' refers to.
03:35<jm_>4: is epoch
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03:41<Delano>Can I install KDE4 on Lenny?
03:42<ZeZu>its possible
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03:42<ZeZu>probably easily do-able,
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03:43<azeem_>AFAIK there is no official backport
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03:43<ZeZu>dpkg: tell Delano -about pinning
03:43<jm_>w!kde4 lenny
03:43<jm_>!kde4 lenny
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03:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on Backports of older versions for lenny are available from
03:44<jm_>see the web page for instructions
03:45<DebZhila>I seem to be having difficulty with wireless-tools, seems after a few hours it will loose association with the access point, but will not attempt to reassociate, even though I've disabled power management via iwconfig
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03:59<Honksu>Does anyone know good program for network monitoring (monitoring by: IP address, mac address, ability to view which ports are tried to reach) by mirroring all packets going to internet to a "surveilance" machine.
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04:00<nepster>Honksu: try ntop
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04:01<jones->Can I have two Source: in a debian/control?
04:01<azeem_>jones-: what are you trying to do?
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04:02<nepster>jones-: yes, wot r u trying to do?
04:02<jones->azeem: resolve a cyclic dependency.
04:02<jones->I tried putting one more Source section, but I end up with this error:
04:02<azeem>then maybe explain your problem
04:02<jones->dpkg-gencontrol: error: per-package paragraph 1 in control info file is missing Package line
04:02<azeem>putting another Source section is not a solution
04:03<nepster>DebZhila: do you have enough signal streangth?
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04:04<jones->azeem: I tried to write down the dependency tree but it's a mess :)
04:04<DebZhila>nepster: usually around 45%-55% (mostly due to a bad antenna)
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04:05<DebZhila>nepster: I've noticed by reading the iwevent log that occasionally I will get disassociated, but it immediately reassociates without me even noticing, it's only when I leave for more than 6 hours or so
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04:07<jones->azeem: basically is a -> b -> c -> a. I would solve it if I broke a -> b by using a separate Source package.
04:07<jones->azeem: but I'm at a halt with the syntax, I think.
04:07<jones->s/is/it is
04:08<azeem>I don't understand the problem
04:08<jones->So it would be a -> d and b -> c -> a -> d.
04:08<azeem>do you have problems installing the .debs? If so, what is the error message
04:08<jones->azeem: cyclic dependency.
04:08<azeem>there's tons of cyclic dependencies in Debian
04:08<jones->azeem: I'm having trouble building my debs.
04:08<azeem>so explain the problem
04:09<nepster>DebZhila: Are you in a wireless congested environment?
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04:09<jones->azeem: the problem is that I can't build a because it depends on c which depends on a.
04:09<azeem>which programming language is a and c in?
04:09<jones->why does it even matter...
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04:10<azeem>it's more difficult if c is a compiler and a a runtime
04:10<jones->It's nothing like that.
04:10<azeem>if everything is c, then the standard procedure is to build a at least minimally so that it can build c; then build a full; then c
04:10<nepster>DebZhila: The problem with aps are, in a crowded environment, if some one connects in a lower signal, it automatically drops down the strength of others to that level.
04:10<azeem>then make .debs
04:10<RobbieThe1st>Quick question: I just loaded a driver for my network card via modprobe, how do I have it look for network cards?
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04:11<jones->azeem: that's a workaround. The fix is to break the cyclic dependecy by splitting a into two packages.
04:11<azeem>is a and c built from the same source package?
04:11<jones->azeem: no. a and b are.
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04:12<azeem>what exactly does c need from a and vice-versa?
04:12<nepster>DebZhila: that's why nw in most of the Europian and US regions, they are moving from AP technology to managed wireless solutions
04:13<jones->azeem: let a1, a2 be packages in a. a1 -> a -> c -> a. If I split using another source package called b, I can have: a1 -> b -> c -> a = no cycle.
04:13<azeem>a -> b is not very detailed
04:13<azeem>does it use a symbol?
04:13<azeem>does it dlopen() things?
04:14<azeem>are a, b, c applications or libraries?
04:14<jones->All libraries.
04:14<jones->No dlopening involved.
04:15<azeem>so to build the library, all you need are the headers, no?
04:15<jones->So you said in the beginning that I can have multiple source packages in the same control file?
04:15<azeem>I said no such thing
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04:16<jones->azeem: right sorry, it wasn't you.
04:16<FortyTwo>So, I'm right here? I have a problem with a proftpd server.
04:17<jones->azeem: yeah you just need the headers. But we're doing dpkg -i here, so debian dependencies count.
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04:17<FortyTwo>Ah, I see, how to get help in my problem?
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04:18<azeem>jones-: right, but obviously bootstrapping is needed
04:18<azeem>except it's trivial for the case of C libraries
04:18<jones->azeem: not if I split the sources. I was looking for a way of not having a new source tree, that's all.
04:18<azeem>even more so if you don't ship a static library in c'd -dev package, then you can have it headers only and Arch: all
04:18<FortyTwo>hmm, so i have to go, somebody is able to give me a tip, where i can get help in my problem with proftpd?
04:19<azeem>jones-: I don't understand why splitting sources would help, sorry
04:19<DebZhila>nepster: well, here, only 5 deviced are associated to the AP dedicated, with another 5 devices occasionally/rarely associating, and my other PC running Windows 7 never seems to remain disassociated (though, I'm not sure if it ever disassociates in the first place... no logs to tell me)
04:19<jones->Because we're not talking about a dependency like a-b-a. It's a-b-c-a. So if I break a-b it will work.
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04:20<jones->I'd break a-b by introducing d. So a-d and b-c-a.
04:21<jones->It's easy by splitting the source and create new tree, but it would've been cool if I could do it in debian/control.
04:21<FortyTwo>is somebody hearing me?
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04:24<RobbieThe1st>Ok, I have a problem: I'm running Debian Woody, and I need to setup a network card. The card I have is a PCMCIA card, a 3com 3C589D-TP... what do I do?
04:24<azeem>jones-: as I said, you don't need to break it
04:24<azeem>it's a standard problem
04:25<azeem>(and I still don't understand why it would help or what d would be)
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04:27<jones->azeem: so Source:a has Package:a1 and Package:a2, both depending on a. a1 depends on b (so far a1-b). Also, b depends on a2. So b->a2. So when building a it goes like: Building a1... wait, depends on b! Let's build b first. Wait, depends on a2! Let's build a first. AAAAARGH LOOP!
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04:29<azeem>what do you mean with "both depending on a"
04:29<azeem>also, are you talking about binary or source depends
04:29<faheem>OT python question: what is wrong with the following expression? - os.system("python -n %s"%adb) and (print "error"; sys.exit())
04:30<faheem>assuming the system expression returns false, i want a print and then an exit.
04:30<jones->azeem: source depends when I talk about a1,a2-a, binary when talking about b-a*.
04:31<faheem>RobbieThe1st: woody is really old. are you really running it?
04:32<azeem>I gotta go now, sorry
04:32<jones->azeem: that's ok, thanks anyway.
04:32<faheem>RobbieThe1st: if woody doesn't detect it, then you'll have to load the driver manually, assuming it is present in the kernel
04:32<RobbieThe1st>Oh, um, sorry
04:32<RobbieThe1st>I'm running lenny
04:33<RobbieThe1st>Debian 5.03
04:33<faheem>RobbieThe1st: the installer would normally detect network cards automatically
04:33<faheem>do you actually have a problem?
04:34<faheem>or did you replace the card after install?
04:34<RobbieThe1st>Normally, it would. This is an ancient laptop(90mhz p1, 32-megs of ram), and I would run out of memory if I enabled the network card modules during install
04:35<locklace>faheem: it's wrong on many levels
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04:35<RobbieThe1st>faheem: So, while I have a working system, and netinst ISO availaible on disk, I have no network connection setup
04:36<RobbieThe1st>faheem: I'm pretty sure its possible to get working; I had it working once during install, but it kept running out of memory and getting into a loop trying to free enough to continue
04:38<faheem>RobbieThe1st: why not just add more memory
04:38<faheem>32 mb is pretty minimal
04:38<RobbieThe1st>Because I got it for free; I don't think it even supports more than 48 or 64, and I'm not willing to spend any money on it
04:39<RobbieThe1st>I only want this machine to have PHP installed and a network connection; I have some scripts I want it to be able to run for me
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04:43<RobbieThe1st>But, anyway, I have no clue about networking; My previous experiance has been with Ubuntu, everything -just works- right from the box.
04:44<dpkg><spldart> been overclocking for years <pipeline> spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't really the point. < spldart> this machine is 24/7 overclock for 3 years
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04:50<speare>kanena ellinas edo?
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04:58<DebZhila>RobbieThelst: if I understand you, you say you can detect the network, but then run out of memory setting it up?
05:01<RobbieThe1st>Back when I was installing debian, if I enabled the driver modules, it would detect my card, and the network(dhcp-enabled), but then later end up running out of memory
05:01<RobbieThe1st>where I am at right now is that I have a working debian install, but no auto-configured network setup
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05:02<RobbieThe1st>so, what I need to know is how to find if my device is properly found, how to get drivers installed, and how to configure it
05:04<DebZhila>RobbieThelst: run expert mode setup (type expert at the isolinux boot prompt), go through the steps to configure your network card, then skip strait to the step labeled somethink akin to "Download additional installer components" then look for something along the lines of "low memory" or "free memory" or something
05:05<DebZhila>this will then add an extra step near the end which, when selected, will free up memory each time it's selected
05:05<RobbieThe1st>It was in that mode from the beginning
05:06<RobbieThe1st>and had "low memory mode" up in the upper left hand corner
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05:07<DebZhila>only three things I can think of....
05:08<RobbieThe1st>There may be a way to get it to work, but at this point, I already have a working install; I just want to get it installed manually
05:08<RobbieThe1st>It shouldn't be that big of a deal
05:08<DebZhila>you could do what I did
05:08<DebZhila>saying it's non-trivial is an understatement though
05:09<DebZhila>I couldn't install debian because of firmware issues with my network card, so I got a working knoppix install, then installed debootstrap
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05:09<DebZhila>debootstrap will install the bare minimal debian userland
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05:10<DebZhila>you then chroot in, install other things (mainly a linux image and grub) make sure you have everything you need installed and configured, then reboot the system
05:10<DebZhila>oh, wait
05:10<RobbieThe1st>Well, that I have. I had to go through a little bit more than that(no CD, broken floppy), but I have a CD ISO installed on this setup here
05:10<DebZhila>never mind
05:10<DebZhila>you are talking about the driver...
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05:11<DebZhila>do you have PCMCIA services started? (not sure how to do that, but I've noticed that question from time to time
05:11<RobbieThe1st>I have no clue; they may not even be installed
05:11<dpkg>PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable.
05:12<DebZhila>!pcmcia cards
05:12<dpkg>PCMCIA cards allow you to add extra hardware functionality to an aging laptop computer. Typical uses include wireless or wired networking, modem, hard disk, memory expansion, USB port, etc. Ask me about <pcmcia> or see the wikipedia article:
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05:12<DebZhila>well that didn't help too much
05:12<jerome>hi there, is there anyway to achieve something like "apt-get build-dep FOO" for a source tarball containning a proper "debian/" directory ? Something like "cd FOO-source-tree" ; apt-get get build-dep .
05:12<twb>How can I make a graphviz .dot graph of only the packages I have installed?
05:13<twb>AFAICT apt-cache will happily create a 20,000-node graph when I only care about the 400 packages I'm actually using.
05:14<DebZhila>RobbieThelst: does lspci list any device which appears to be your network card?
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05:15<RobbieThe1st>lspci, for some odd reason -does not exist-
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05:15<RobbieThe1st>works on my main Ubuntu comp fine
05:15<RobbieThe1st>But on this one... "command not found"
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05:16<RobbieThe1st>same with sudo, for that matter. I was able to su to root though
05:16<DebZhila>I don't think I have a clue.... I've not dealt with PCMCIA in over 7 years
05:16<RobbieThe1st>I understand
05:17<twb>RobbieThe1st: lspci is an optional package.
05:17<RobbieThe1st>that explains it
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05:17<RobbieThe1st>What package is it part of?
05:17<twb>pciutils, IIRC. Ask apt-file
05:17<gsimmons>RobbieThe1st: And it won't help you for 16-bit PCMCIA devices, use pccardctl instead.
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06:03<ekv>I have Acer with Intel Celeron 64-bits, and im wondering which cd-image i should download to install debian on my computer
06:03<petemc>amd64 if you want 64bit
06:04<ekv>Ok. I wondered that, since there is other 64bit versions too.
06:04<twb>ekv: your hardware supports "amd64" and "i386". The former is better.
06:04<ekv>I thought IA64 is for intel, but its better to ask than just assume :)
06:04<petemc>it sure is
06:04<ekv>twb, is i386 64bits?
06:04<twb>ekv: no.
06:04<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
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06:05<ekv>Ok, ill take amd64 since i need 64bit system.
06:05<ekv>Thanks folks.
06:06<jm_>how long before he comes back asking how to run 32bit stuff?
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06:07<ekv>Might take while, since im doing it all the time with 64bit ubuntu ;)
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06:08<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to cause a specific user's default sound card to change depending on the presence of a USB sound card?
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06:09<jm_>EmleyMoor: udev
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06:09<jm_>although you'd probably want to run this as user, hmm
06:10<OdyX>EmleyMoor: afaik you can do this in KDE…
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06:10<jm_>probably hal
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06:10<jm_>or whatever the current crap is
06:11<EmleyMoor>OdyX: Hmmm... gnome here
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06:14*EmleyMoor will research the issue a bit more...
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06:15<OdyX>isn't there a UsbSoundCardUserHandlingKit ?
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06:20<antary>hi, guys. i install debian lenny and want to upgrade my iceweasel to 3.5 version. Can anybody give me nice experimental repo for aptitude?
06:20<twb>OdyX: you forgot the .py
06:21<antary>and sorry , my english is non-good
06:21<OdyX>twb: damn…
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06:21<OdyX>!tell antary about backports
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06:22<jm_>antary: no such thing I believe
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06:22<OdyX>wee no iceweasel backport
06:23<jm_>i backport it myself
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06:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... best way is to fix my sound to the audio device and set his to "Autodetect" - and then make some kind of change to make the USB "default"
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Not finding it easy to find a way :-(
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06:41<EmleyMoor>I just want this thing to be default regardless of port
06:43<EmleyMoor>Ah... interesting - may have found a recipe
06:44<jm_>it's easy to set the default for alsa, but I don't know ho wto do this as user
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06:45<EmleyMoor>jm_: If I set mine to non-default so that it uses the onboard unless otherwise specified, then making alsa default to the USB if present would work
06:47<jm_>EmleyMoor: I don't think you can make it to work like "use this if present"
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06:48<EmleyMoor>I'm just working on a hal/dbus solution to the problem...
06:48<jm_>right, that's possible
06:48<jm_>via notifications
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06:51<Txt_file>I tried to install syscp on Debian/lenny/i386 but I can't find the php mysql-extension. It always says that "Testing if PHP MySQL-extension is installed... not installed!"
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06:51<jm_>php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5
06:53<Txt_file>this is installed
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07:00<jm_>so check how it's testing then
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07:07<herve>i have a problem with logrotate and apache2 virtualhost custom logs (they don't rotate while the regular logs in the same directory do) where can i find how to track that problem down ?
07:08<jm_>herve: where are your logs ?
07:09<Tenguch>isn't it that some are named "toto.log" and the other "titi" ?
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07:10<jm_>apache2 logrotate config expects them to match /var/log/apache2/*.log
07:10<herve>they do
07:10<jm_>so if it doesn't match them you need to provide your own logrotate config or rename them
07:11<herve>they are in /var/log/apache2
07:11<Tenguch>herve: with ".log" suffix ?
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07:11<herve> or othersite_com.log
07:12<jm_>use logrotate -d
07:12<herve>they have same perms
07:12<jm_>logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.d/apache2
07:13<jm_>also note that they have "weekly" set
07:13<herve>well i would have start by that it screams : log does not need rotating
07:13<jm_>right see above
07:13<herve>i replace weekly by daily
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07:13<herve>but it should
07:15<jm_>check /var/lib/logrotate/status
07:15<herve>status : "/var/log/apache2/carosserie-billaud_com.log" 2009-11-27
07:15<herve>/var/log/apache2/*.log {
07:15<herve> daily
07:15<herve> missingok
07:15<herve> rotate 1
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07:15<jm_>so it was rotated today
07:16<herve>but there is no .log.1 and the file is not empty
07:16<Tenguch>mmm.. no minimal size limit in logrotate config ?
07:16<Tenguch>cannot remember how's the original one
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07:17<jm_>no such thing in defaults
07:17<EmleyMoor>How do I see what a shell script is doing? (and where it is finishing)
07:17<Tenguch>jm_: ok. wasn't sure about that :)
07:17<jm_>EmleyMoor: add "set -x" as 2nd line
07:17<petemc>EmleyMoor: -x
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07:20<jm_>note that running logrotate -d will not rotate files anyway
07:21<herve>i used -d -f
07:21<herve>renaming /var/log/apache2/carosserie-billaud_com.log to /var/log/apache2/carosserie-billaud_com.log.1
07:21<herve>creating new log mode = 0640 uid = 0 gid = 4
07:21<herve>but no files changed :-(
07:22<jm_>now try it it without -d
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07:23<herve>they have rotated - mystery
07:24<jm_>it will probably work OK now
07:24<herve>ok thanks, what could have happened ?
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07:25<jm_>hmm can't say, it would probably require to track changes to its state file
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07:25<peej>is there a more sensible way to check if something is installed than this?: dpkg -s <PACKAGE> | grep "^Status: install"
07:26<herve>ok i'll check that if it do not rotate the night
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07:27<dli>peej, dpkg -l foo
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07:30<peej>I want to have a return value in $? that lets me know if the package is installed or not. (I get that with grepping my suggestion, unsure how I would do it with -l )
07:30<EmleyMoor>No good :-(
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07:32<EmleyMoor>I can't work out where the bug is in the script but it's echoing to stdout where it should go to a file
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07:32<azeem>jones-: did you figure it out?
07:32<markus_>hallo ich denke ihr habt alle ein wenig ahnung von xubuntu
07:32<azeem>markus_: please go to #ubuntu on
07:33<azeem>or some more xubuntu specific channel
07:33<markus_>ok danke schönen tag noch
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07:33<jm_>try putting the script on pastebin
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07:34<EmleyMoor>Half the problem is the line breaks in the script are not clear
07:34<EmleyMoor>I will post both scriptn
07:34<jones->azeem: no. I'm splitting the source.
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07:35<tonguim>Hi all
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07:36<tonguim>Please what is the difference between the concept of "job control" and the one of "scheduler"?
07:36<azeem>jones-: you know you can build arch-independent packages seperate from dependent ones?
07:37<EmleyMoor>Ah, hold on... will try them again and come back if still no go
07:37<azeem>jones-: and are you splitting the source or duplicating it?
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07:39<jm_>tonguim: job control is something shell is doing for you
07:40<jones->azeem: splitting only, of course.
07:40<jones->azeem: yes, but these are all arch dependant.
07:40<azeem>10:18 < azeem> even more so if you don't ship a static library in c'd -dev package, then you can have it headers only and Arch: all
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07:41<jones->azeem: oh, right. I have Arch: any.
07:41<azeem>is this supposed to be uploaded to Debian?
07:42<jones->azeem: no.
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07:43<tonguim>jm_: i'm refering the job control that can move a process from foreground to background
07:43<azeem>then I don't understand the issue at all, unless you have some company policy that all .debs need to be built on some self-contained autobuilder or something
07:43<jones->azeem: I agree. I suspect our build robot is just crap.
07:43<azeem>can you feed it a .deb for Build-Depends?
07:44<tonguim>jm_: i thought the management of processes was the duty of the scheduler
07:44<jones->azeem: I honestly don't know. It will take me less than an hour to split the sources, it'll work and everybody will be happy :)
07:44<azeem>it's just wrong thoguh
07:44<azeem>but whatever
07:44<jones->I know... thanks for helping :)
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07:45<jm_>tonguim: yes, but there are things like SIGSTOP etc. which shell is doing
07:47<tonguim>jm_: thanks for explanations; but i'm still confused
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07:55<EmleyMoor>Phew, sorted. It was line breaks amiss
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08:02<twb>Where does d-i get its time info from?
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08:08<EmleyMoor>Sadly it seems to have killed sound completely
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08:12<EmleyMoor>Other than, any way to cause a change of default sound card on plugging in a USB audio device?
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08:25<twb>EmleyMoor: are you using alsa, oss4, or what?
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09:03<cq>hello, I just installed testing but there was no network, now I have a minimal system and a minimal sources.list ... what's the best way to get the rest of the installation? manually edit sources.list, or can I rerun package selection?
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09:05<Z3r0>hey guys
09:06<Z3r0>good afternoon to ya
09:06<Z3r0>does any1 here know why my wireless card (broadcom b43) cant get to connect to channel 13?
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09:25<tonguim>I've this: export PS1="\e[0;32m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m ". Please, how can i have the bold thext after the prompt in bold? Thanks
09:26<Slash[GnR]>hi... i installed debian but i have no access to the internet because i use a usb wifi (the card was detected fine) and the network manager is not installed... what can i do?
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09:27<dr|z3d>Slash[GnR]: try > aptitude install wicd
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09:27<dr|z3d>Although, without net access that might prove problematic.
09:28<twb>How can I make wpa_supplicant's CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS loop use exponential backoff?
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09:28<twb>It's running every five seconds and filling up my /var/log filesystem
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09:28<Slash[GnR]>it says it cant find the package
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09:44<Sebastinas>Hi. I've upgraded grub-pc to 1.97+20091125-1 yesterday. My PC now doesn't boot anymore. update-grub produces menuentries with /boot/vmlinuz... whereas it should only be /vmlinuz since I've got a separate partition for /boot.
09:44<Sebastinas>Is it a bug in grub-pc or is my config messed up?
09:45<azeem>Sebastinas: see the bug reports
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09:47*twb continues to hug extlinux
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09:48<twb> explains how I do so.
09:49<gsimmons>twb: Is your wpasupplicant issue the same as Debian bug #539915?
09:50<twb>gsimmons: yep, thanks
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09:51<twb>That bug seems to say that wpa_cli needs them, though...
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09:51<twb>(Which is strange, because until twenty minutes ago, I had no syslogd, and wpa_cli has worked for months.)
09:52<twb>OTOH, while the logging is the annoying part, I still think purely from a design point of view exponential backoff would be a better idea.
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09:57<Sebastinas>azeem: Any hints on which one could apply for me? Couldn't find anything.
09:59<azeem>Sebastinas: #558042
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10:03<Sebastinas>azeem: Oh, thank's. Just been browsing through the bugs of grub-pc.
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10:36<rovanion>I'd like some help troubleshooting a laptop that does not wake up after sleep
10:37<rovanion>Is there anyone in here who can be my guide?
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10:47<hugo>de colombia
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10:56<dpkg><peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing
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10:58<neil>/ #debian-br
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11:12<davi>What packages to 'pin' to upgrade to sid (kernel, mesa, xorg) but keep using the KDE 3.5 of Lenny?
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11:16<milo>is there anyone that can help me with my networking problem
11:17<petemc>if you're using debian, just ask
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11:17<milo>well that is what it tells me when i try to configure my wireless in the interfaces file
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11:19<petemc>you might want to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces as well
11:20<milo>k one sec
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11:24<milo>ok i got the interfaces
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11:25<gsimmons>milo: What version of Debian are you using?
11:26<milo>well im not using debian im using ubuntu but i do no there the same
11:26<milo>and its the latest ubuntu
11:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:28<milo>so any ideas why its not working
11:28<petemc>install debian and try again
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11:29<milo>ubuntu is debian just more public
11:29<koollman>milo: no it's not.
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11:29<milo>well ubuntu uses all debian packages just most of them have been tweaked
11:30<petemc>honestly, do you think you're the first person to come here and say that?
11:30<petemc>they arent the same, and its not supported here
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11:30<milo>no and the person that told me that was my uncle that has used debian for over 20 years
11:31<petemc>time traveller is he?
11:31<Guest250>To disable autorun in pendrives, cdroon in system lenny, what I need to do ?
11:31<cahoot>is there a such in linux?
11:32<milo>petemc your an ass and they are the same wheather you like it or not all linuxes are the same and the same file systems and base commands
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11:36<aquarat>this channel is popular
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11:41<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: what's your debian issue?:)
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11:42<aquarat>don't really have one at the moment
11:42<aquarat>I do
11:42<aquarat>but I'm reasonably sure you won't be able to solve it :P
11:42<aquarat>I'm just watching at the moment... hanging around
11:43<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: if you don't ask, we certainly will not be able to fix it ;)
11:43<aquarat>I have asked before and the folks here were helpful; they directed towards the debian lists
11:43<aquarat>but if you'd really like to know I'm trying to get Debian to run on a Sun Fire V890
11:44<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: fairysnuff :) you got good advice earlier ;)
11:44*aquarat nods wildly
11:44<aquarat>the people on the lists have been quite nice and very helpful
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11:45<aquarat>how big is your eeepc's SSD ?
11:45<aquarat>I have a 701 eeepc, I mainly use it for audio recording these days
11:45<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: 4GBs SSD but i have an external hdd
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11:46<aquarat>mine's also 4GB
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11:47<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: I'm considering getting a 901 to upgrade
11:47<aquarat>why not a Lenovo IdeaPad S10e ?
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11:47<aquarat>...I have two Lenovos, very happy with them
11:48<aquarat>a big one and a small one
11:48<jpinx-eeepc>aquarat: tbh because I *know* the eeepc's and they are so small - great for travelling
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11:49<aquarat>but the Ideapad s10 is also quite small ?
11:49<aquarat>I'll compare
11:49<zeroXten>heya. is there an open source centralised package/vulnerability manaegment system for debian?
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11:50<Christop1>this is test
11:51<NamekTran>can someone help me install debian from usb
11:51<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: did you read the installation manual in ? It's all in there
11:52<zeroXten>meh, i'll just write one shall I :)
11:52<NamekTran>when i try to boot from usb
11:52<NamekTran>it just show black screen
11:53<Gaston_Lagaffe>did you try unetbootin ?
11:53<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: what is on the usb stick? An installer?
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11:53<NamekTran>i have the boot.img.gz
11:53<NamekTran>then i just zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1
11:53<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: you need an installer - go and read the installation manual
11:54<NamekTran>i cant get into
11:55<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: wtf do you want in there for?
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11:55<jpinx-eeepc>sarge has not been supported for ages
11:55<NamekTran>yesterday i downloaded debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
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11:55<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: go and read the installation manual
11:55<the_hydra>NamekTran, it's polite way to say it's near dead
11:55<NamekTran>is that a installer?
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11:56<the_hydra>NamekTran, iso image...burn it first
11:56<the_hydra>NamekTran, to a CD or DVD
11:56<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: ffs go and read the MANUAL
11:56<NamekTran>but i dont have a dvd drive its broken
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11:56<the_hydra>NamekTran, if you just wanna test, I suggest to use programs like VMWare
11:56<NamekTran>noo i dont wanna test
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11:57<the_hydra>just giving you alternative...
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11:57<the_hydra>NamekTran, :)
11:58<babilen>NamekTran: Did you follow 4.3.3 as suggested yesterday? Does that change anything? Did you copy the iso on the stick?
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11:59<babilen>NamekTran: Yes, it changed anything?
11:59<NamekTran>it still doesnt work
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11:59<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: how did you copy it?
12:00<NamekTran>the iso
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12:00<babilen>for example...
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12:00<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: what command did you use?
12:00<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: no go and read the manual -
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12:00<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: you are being a numpty - go and read the manua;
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12:01<NamekTran>i do now sry
12:01<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: it is getting more like #u in here every day :(
12:02<NamekTran>its say copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Please note that the file name must end in .iso. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done.
12:03<NamekTran>i did that
12:03<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: what url are you reading?
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12:04<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: go to and follow the links to "How to install"
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12:04<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: yeah... :-(
12:05<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: I don't know where you got that link - but it is ANCIENT - sarge is dead and buried
12:06<NamekTran>tx :)
12:06<peej>it would help you install sarge, but sarge is not debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
12:07<jpinx-eeepc>peej: I'm not into supporting anything other than lenny
12:07<babilen>NamekTran: CJ gave you the correct link yesterday " CJ NamekTran dont know if you looked at this but"
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12:09<babilen>NamekTran: And: "babilen Try 4.3.1 + 4.3.3 first and then 4.3.2" still applies. Good luck!
12:09<NamekTran>ok tx
12:12<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: it has to be said that the USB install is badly documented for newbies - it is not obvious at all as to what you need to download.
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12:12<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: That might be true, but following the documentation from the release you want to install might help a little :-D
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12:13<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: I'm doing it again from that link - taking a "no prior knowledge" approach - it is mighty confusing:(
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12:13<NamekTran>um how do i get Debian netinst
12:14<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: how about to doenload it?
12:14<EagleRock>!tell NamekTran about netinst
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12:16<Gaston_Lagaffe>hi, could you help for a compiz install please ?
12:17<NamekTran>uhm babilen do i just copy the debian-503-i386-netinst.iso to my usb
12:17<babilen>NamekTran: Have you completed 4.3.1?
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12:18<NamekTran>its says copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it
12:18<NamekTran>so i just copy it right
12:18<babilen>NamekTran: Ok, do that then. And if you don't want to create a big mess, check that the /dev/sdX is actually the USB stick.
12:18<NamekTran>i checked :)
12:18<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: you should write this image
12:19<babilen>NamekTran: Insert your USB stick and paste the output of "dmesg | tail -n 20"
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12:20<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: as I understand you need to write it on usb stick?
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12:20<NamekTran>how do i do that
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12:20<babilen>NamekTran: ...
12:21<babilen>NamekTran: *Please* insert your USB stick and paste the output of "dmesg | tail -n 20"
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12:21<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: the command you want is something like dd if=/downloaded/image.iso of=/usb/device
12:21<fgh>if i connect a mobile phone with a usb-cable, where could it show up in /dev/ ?
12:22<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: plug it in and look at dmesg to see if it was recognised
12:22<NamekTran> sdb: sdb1
12:23<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: the command you want is dd if=/downloaded/image.iso of=/dev/sdb
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12:23<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: note that it is sdb not sdb1
12:23<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: how about unetbootin ?
12:23<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: Copy the iso, or the contents? (as in cp fooBar.iso /mnt/stick/ or dd if=fooBar ..)
12:23<gsimmons>jpinx-eeepc: Uh, no. You zcat the "all-in-one" hd-media image to the USB device, then mount, then cp the .iso file.
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12:23<jpinx-eeepc>ffs tmi
12:23<babilen>I think you have to copy the iso...
12:23<NamekTran>uuhhm confused
12:24<jpinx-eeepc>gsimmons: that is just confusing
12:24<NamekTran>do i just cp the iso file
12:24<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: UNetbootin allows for the installation of various Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive, so it's no different from a standard install, only it doesn't need a CD. It can create a dual-boot install, or replace the existing OS entirely
12:24<babilen>NamekTran: Hang on...
12:24<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: could it be /dev/ttyACM0 ?
12:24<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: is it mounted?
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12:24<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: I mean - auto-mounted?
12:24<NamekTran>soo i just copy the iso right
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12:25<jpinx-eeepc>NamekTran: I gave you the command
12:25<gsimmons>jpinx-eeepc: That is the procedure given in the Installation Guide (sections 4.3.1, 4.3.2). dd'ing a netinst ISO simply won't work.
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12:25<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: no, thats where i want to come
12:25<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: do fdisk -l
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12:25<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: I stand by what I said about usb install being hard for noobs :|
12:25<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: nope, just my hdd there
12:25<nitz>hi all :)
12:26<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: then it's not ecognised
12:26<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: So true...
12:26<babilen>NamekTran: Now run "wget"
12:26<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: wantto do a simple "howto" with me and I'll put it on the wiki?
12:26<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: but dmesg says: [ 9178.816223] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
12:27<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: We can do that later, good idea though.
12:27<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: pastebin dmesg
12:27<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: sure - anytime
12:28<babilen>NamekTran: Is there anything on that stick that you might need?
12:28<babilen>NamekTran: Just checking :-)
12:28<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: (ive been reconnecting it a few times)
12:28<babilen>NamekTran: Now run: "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX
12:28<babilen>argh.. damn linebreak
12:28<the_hydra>as root....
12:28<babilen>NamekTran: Now run: "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" that is
12:29<babilen>the_hydra: thanks :-)
12:29<the_hydra>babilen, welcome :)
12:29<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: yea - I see that - dunno that device type though
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12:30<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: I suggest you google that device type ACM - it's not one I've come across
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12:30<babilen>NamekTran: great
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12:30<fgh>jpinx-eeepc: thank you for your time
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12:31<jpinx-eeepc>fgh: np - sorry I am not more expert
12:31<NamekTran>then i just mount my usb right
12:31<babilen>NamekTran: correct
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12:31<babilen>NamekTran: Then run "wget"
12:32<NamekTran>uhm i cant mount my usb now
12:32<NamekTran>its says mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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12:33<MayskiyJuk>NamekTran: just use unebootin, it's will be enough
12:33<NamekTran>how do i do that >.<
12:33<babilen>NamekTran: run "mount /dev/sdb /mnt" same error?
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12:33<NamekTran>hehe :D
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12:34<NamekTran>now i just cp the iso file right
12:34<babilen>NamekTran: yes
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12:35<NamekTran>cp debian-503-i386-netinst.iso /mnt
12:35<NamekTran>like that
12:35<babilen>NamekTran: exactly
12:35<NamekTran>hehe :)
12:35<babilen>MayskiyJuk: He/She wants to install *from* USB and not create a bootable LIVE USB
12:36<babilen>NamekTran: You can try booting now .. If it is not working let us know
12:36<MayskiyJuk>babilen: OK, soory for noise :) just trying to help
12:36<NamekTran>thank you so much babilen :)
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12:36<babilen>NamekTran: you need to unmount the stick first
12:36<babilen>gone ....
12:36*babilen hopes it works out
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12:37<sney>if it doesn't he'll be back
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12:41<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: I /lastlog'd that for reference as a how to ;)
12:41<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: \o/
12:41<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: The install-mbr might be necessary though...
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12:42<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: I'll edit it over a coffee and let you see..
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12:42<babilen>I have actually never done a USB install before. I usually use the CD or use PXE
12:42<babilen>jpinx-eeepc: cool
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12:42<MayskiyJuk>babilen: not always there is cd drive
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12:42<jpinx-eeepc>babilen: I do usb install for the eeepc, but I haven't had to write the USB stick for over a year - so I've forgoten how
12:43<MayskiyJuk>me too, installed squeeze to msi wind
12:43<babilen>MayskiyJuk: As i said... If there is no cd/dvd drive I can usually boot of PXE and just tell the dhcp/tftp server to hand out the installer
12:43<MayskiyJuk>babilen: it's ok if you have high-speed internet connection :)
12:44<babilen>MayskiyJuk: No, I have the dhcp/tftp server working anyway to boot a couple of clients ...
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12:45<MayskiyJuk>babilen: :)
12:45<nitz>hey anyone can help me ?
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12:46<MayskiyJuk>nitz: just ask
12:46<babilen>MayskiyJuk: The installer images are in place too, so an installation usualy just boils down to "enter MAC address somewhere and choose image"
12:46<EagleRock>jpinx-eeepc: I recently installed to a netbook, and setting up to install linux from USB is just zcatting the hd image (boot.img.gz) to the device /dev/sdX and copying the netinst iso onto the flash drive after mounting it
12:46*babilen helps nitz
12:46<babilen>EagleRock: yes, still confusing for newbies
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12:47<EagleRock>babilen: of course, but I was just reminding him since he said he hadn't done it for a while
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12:49<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: yep - point taken :)
12:49<MayskiyJuk>EagleRock: if you installed debian one times there is no need to reinstall it foe years ;) you can forget the way you did it
12:49<MayskiyJuk>EagleRock: or write some how-to
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12:50<EagleRock>MayskiyJuk: you've said old server that's still running today went all the way from woody to squeeze without a hitch
12:50<MayskiyJuk>EagleRock: congrats!
12:51<EagleRock>MayskiyJuk: thanks...I refuse to decommission it just on principle :-)
12:51<sney>I'm sure it's still plenty good enough for a fileserver
12:51<sney>what is it, P3?
12:52<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: funny - will it be the oldest continuous install of debian?
12:52<MayskiyJuk>mabe it something like 800-1000M CPU?
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12:54<MayskiyJuk>i have one like that dusted in the corner :) should i install there a copy of debian :-D ?
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12:56<EagleRock>MayskiyJuk: actually, it is an athlon 1700+...I started using it in late 2002 or so
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12:57<MayskiyJuk>EagleRock: I'm stilll using Athlon 2000+ as desktop
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13:05<EagleRock>MayskiyJuk: oh, that reminds me, I upgraded the CPU later on when a friend got rid of his, I'm actually using a 2000+ too
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13:05<EagleRock>it's a great machine...never gave me issues
13:05<EagleRock>except when I forgot to upgrade the kernel after I dist-upgraded udev :-/
13:06<MayskiyJuk>EagleRock: they are not so fast but usable even nowadays
13:06<MayskiyJuk>I hate udev
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13:07<EagleRock>MayskiyJuk: yeah, well, it was my fault...dpkg even gave me the upgrade warning stating my kernel wasn't supported by the version of udev available, and I forgot to install the latest kernel at the time
13:08<EagleRock>nothing a rescue disk, a chroot, and apt-get didn't fix :-)
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13:09<babilen>grml ftw!
13:09<MayskiyJuk>babilen: hmm
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13:10<MayskiyJuk>mib_72lktn: hi
13:10<sney>babilen: watch out, I almost did !it
13:10<mib_72lktn>Is some french here ?
13:10<babilen>sney: hehe
13:11<MayskiyJuk>babilen: russian?
13:11<babilen>dpkg: wb
13:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:11<dpkg>thanks, babilen. It's good to be back.
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13:12<babilen>MayskiyJuk: Because of the nickname? (--> #debian-offtopic)
13:12<faheem>babilen: did dpkg go somewhere?
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13:13<babilen>faheem: dunno, just slow. What does 'wb' do anyway?
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13:14<faheem>babilen: apparently makes dpkg issue a "good to be back" message :-)
13:15<babilen>faheem: yes, i figured that out. Was not sure if there is not a little magic involved though.
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13:18<faheem>babilen: don't think so
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13:19<faheem>some crazy person seems to have added lots of this sort of stuff to the bot
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13:20<babilen>faheem: I see. I hoped that this was the "magic word" to restart the bot... But if it just prints the message: --> pretty useless
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13:21<faheem>babilen: do you have reason to believe there is something wrong with the bot?
13:21<babilen>faheem: no
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13:22<babilen>faheem: It was just a tad slow ...
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13:27<themill>dpkg, you're slow
13:27<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
13:28<faheem>dpkg has attitude
13:28<dpkg>faheem: i haven't a clue
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13:29<faheem>but i can relate
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13:30<Xenguy>.oO(attitude but no clue - sounds like Sarah Palin fans...)
13:31*Xenguy runs and ducks for cover...
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13:31<faheem>Xenguy: amen to that
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13:34<simonrvn>Xenguy: won't hear nays from me about that
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13:50<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
13:50<faheem>oh, he left
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13:54<simonrvn>.by .. bulgarian iirc
13:54<dpkg>it has been said that by is Belarus
13:54<simonrvn>ah my bad
13:55<_sleepy_>what the most of people here use? apt-get od aptitude?
13:56<sney>I use aptitude
13:56<Lethalman_>_sleepy_, better use aptitude for dependency solver and other stuff
13:57<sney>!why aptitude
13:57<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
13:57<simonrvn>aptitude, and it's the recommended thing to us, as it's better at dependency resolution, and does more neat stuff too.
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13:57<Lethalman_>also it got ncurses and gtk interfaces
13:57<sney>and it has a ncurses gui that gives me terrifying flashbacks to dselect! thankfully you don't need to use the gui
13:57<simonrvn>erm, you can do that with apt-get too (It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others ...)
13:58<simonrvn>sney: meh, it only resembles dselect ;p. it behaves nothing like it.
13:58<sney>the look is enough
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13:58*sney twitches
13:58<simonrvn>heh. you get over that =)
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13:58<EagleRock>simonrvn: I haven't :-P
13:59<faheem>_sleepy_: apt-get and apt-cache work just fine
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13:59<faheem>though they possibly don't have fancy search features and stuff
13:59<_sleepy_>some time ago (maybe a year), someone advised me usa apt-get. for once it happened that apt-get could dependency where aptitude failed
14:00<simonrvn>only apt utils i still use are apt-get (source) and apt-cache
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14:00<faheem>simonrvn: you should correct the description :-)
14:00<simonrvn>will do
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14:03<faheem>simonrvn: you have bot access?
14:03<faheem>!tell faheem about why aptitude
14:03<simonrvn>i know how to edit ;)
14:03<faheem>sorry, i should have done a msg
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14:06<simonrvn>np, it's dead in here right now ;)
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14:19<chrisreich>user needs assistance with apt.conf and apt::Cache-Limit on Debian Lenny x86
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14:20<babilen>chrisreich: please state the nature of the technical emergency
14:20<chrisreich>aptitude tells me to "increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit..." but there is no apt.conf file to alter
14:21<babilen>just create it
14:21<chrisreich>really? shouldn't there be one to modify?
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14:21<chrisreich>ok, back to the other computer. Thank you.
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14:23<babilen>chrisreich: have a look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf if you need inspiration
14:23<chrisreich>I saw that earlier today and am going there now. Thank you.
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14:27<sney>there should just be a default one with some commonly needed options commented out
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14:38<simonrvn>there is
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14:42<Yonut27>I am using Debian (Lenny) 2.6.26-2-686. I have noticed something strange with my directory view. When listing a directory, the folders are in a weird order. If the folder contains an ampersand, the ampersand is ignored, and the next characters are used for sorting. How do I get it to sort alphabetically with the & included?
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14:47<dvst>hi all
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14:50<babilen>NamekTran: and?
14:50<NamekTran>i got Debian :D
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14:50<babilen>NamekTran: \o/
14:51<babilen>NamekTran: so it worked?
14:51<NamekTran>yesh :D
14:51<NamekTran>but its gnome
14:51<NamekTran>i want kde -_-
14:51<babilen>NamekTran: then install it :-D
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14:51<babilen>!tell NamekTran -about install kde
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14:53<Queue_Mr>Hi, while out and about today I have been burned by sid. I get grub error: Need to load a kernel first when attempting to come back from a hibernated session
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14:54<NamekTran>babilen: hehe i think i can do it :D thanks for all what u done ;D
14:54<NamekTran>see ya
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14:54<babilen>NamekTran: You are welcome! Enjoy your Debian...
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14:57<Yonut27>I am using Debian (Lenny) 2.6.26-2-686. I have noticed something strange with my directory view. When listing a directory, the folders are in a weird order. If the folder contains an ampersand, the ampersand is ignored, and the next characters are used for sorting. How do I get it to sort alphabetically with the & included?
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14:59<amphi>Yonut27: does it behave if you do 'LC_COLLATE=C ls" ?
15:00<debianman>there any way to install xsplash in debian?
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15:01<babilen>Queue_Mr: hang on ..
15:01<babilen>Queue_Mr: did you check the bug tracker?
15:01<simonrvn>!tell Yonut27 -about repeat
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15:01<Queue_Mr>babilen: I just now got net access via Mint linux on USB.
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15:02<Web-sidux337>I have a problem with debian netinst
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15:02<Queue_Mr>babilen: which seems to suck atm. Let me try knoppix. brb
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15:03<babilen>Queue_Mr: alright
15:03<Yonut27>amphi: The command line is fine, it just seems to be happening when I use the file browsers.
15:04<Web-sidux337>i have a realtek 8185b wifi card and i try to install debian trough netinst using wifi card
15:04<Web-sidux337>debian installer couldn't find any essid's
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15:05<Web-sidux337>but livecd can find access point
15:05<Web-sidux337>using amd64 arch
15:06<Web-sidux337>how i can resolve this problem ?
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15:06<amphi>Yonut27: oh - is that not up their own sort settings?
15:07<Web-sidux337>anyone help ?
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15:07<amphi>Web-sidux337: can you use ethernet for the install? that'll be simpler
15:08<Web-sidux337>err ... I can't
15:09<Web-sidux337>but debian installer found my wifi card
15:09<Yonut27>amphi: So then if they are settings, what setting am I looking for to make the '&' count as it's ascii value instead of being ignored?
15:10<babilen>Web-sidux337: the card should work. The installer does, however, not support WPA .. Is the AP you are tying to connect to encrypted?
15:10<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192e>.
15:10<Web-sidux337>i dont know
15:11<Web-sidux337>i know i don't need pass for AP
15:11<babilen>Web-sidux337: You never entered one?
15:11<Web-sidux337>i entered before
15:11<babilen>And you said that you can connect to the AP just fine without entering a password?
15:12<babilen>Web-sidux337: Ok, that might just be the problem. Are you using the live CD right now (or another *nix) ?
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15:12<Queue_Mr>babilen, back, knoppix to the rescue...
15:12<Web-sidux337>now i'm using sidux livecd
15:12<babilen>Queue_Mr: :-D
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15:13<Web-sidux337>and work fine
15:13<babilen>Web-sidux337: Ok, can you enter "iwlist wlan0 scan" and paste the section on your wireless network (you probably want to delete some sensible information)
15:13<babilen>Queue_Mr: Have you checked for bug reports about that issue?
15:14<Web-sidux337>wlan0 Scan completed :
15:14<Web-sidux337> Cell 01 - Address: 00:1D:0F:D6:DE:00
15:14<Web-sidux337> ESSID:"TP-LINK"
15:14<Web-sidux337> Mode:Master
15:14<Web-sidux337> Channel:6
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15:14<sney>never fails
15:14<Queue_Mr>babilen, no, not yet. I'm still wanting to mount the encrypted LVM, but knoppix isn't playing well..
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15:14<babilen>Queue_Mr: no cryptsetup/
15:14<Queue_Mr>cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 should do it but it's spitting back --usage info
15:15<babilen>Yeah, that should do it ...
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15:15<perk>Queue_Mr, cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 whatyouwanttocallthemapperdevice
15:15<babilen>Queue_Mr: no ... you have to give a name
15:15<Queue_Mr>perk, ahhh.. yes!
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15:15<babilen>sney: hope he/she comes back
15:15<Web-sidux337>i pasted ... and i kicked form channel
15:15<sney>yes, paste on
15:15<babilen>!tell Web-sidux337 -about paste
15:16<McNuggz__>i have question about debian networkinstall and using usbconnected wlanadapter. you think theres any chance of using it to install? i think it uses driver: ralink rt2870
15:17<sney>for ralink you need firmware and I think a newer kernel
15:17<sney>there might be a custom installer
15:18<babilen>!tell McNuggz__ -about kmuto
15:18<Web-sidux337>i pasted on this link
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15:18<babilen>Web-sidux337: That looks fine. It is not encrypted. Is there anything else you need to do to get online there?
15:19<babilen>Web-sidux337: what is that?
15:21<babilen>Web-sidux337: What do you need to do to get online there apart from connecting?
15:21<sney>he's on a livecd, he's having trouble getting online through the debian netinst
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15:22<chealer>McNuggz__: any chance? perhaps a very small one
15:22<Web-sidux337>i used Ceni to get online
15:22<babilen>yes, i know. The wireless card should work with d-i, just trying to figure out what the issue might be with that network
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15:23<sney>is it one of those NICs where the driver exists in lenny but doesn't actually work until 2.6.29 or later?
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15:23<chealer>Web-sidux337: you'd presumably need to implement for your situation in debian-installer
15:23<chealer>s/implement/implement support/
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15:23<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192e>.
15:24<Queue_Mr>boy... it's amazing how much you forget when problems never come up!!
15:24<Web-sidux337>it's strange. the installer found card but it doesn't work with AP ...
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15:28<Web-sidux337>maybe i will try to install arch linux system.
15:29<handheldCar>I couldn't get any packages this morning.
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15:29<Web-sidux337>i know how configure wifi in console
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15:30<babilen>Web-sidux337: Ok, evaluating your options: (i) connect via ethernet (ii) use full cd/dvd-1 (iii) install base system and chroot
15:31<sney>(iv) debootstrap
15:31<handheldCar>I tried to install Arch this morning, but it wouldn't get any packages from
15:31<babilen>sney: was just typing that :-)
15:31<Web-sidux337>can you paste link to the tutorial ?
15:32<Web-sidux337>(and sorry for my english ;) )
15:32<babilen>Web-sidux337: are (i) and (ii) options for you? Id est: Can you connect to a wired network or download the DVD-1 ?
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15:32<babilen>Web-sidux337: I am not a native speaker myself and you are doing fine so far :-)
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15:33<Web-sidux337>Can I install base debian system to disk from livecd ?
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15:34<Web-sidux337>this is chroot and deboostrap ?
15:34<sney>babilen would probably extra not-appreciate my joke about the Kosciuszko Bridge
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15:34<babilen>The easiest way would be to use the CD-1/DVD-1 and install from there...
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15:35<sney>yeah, you can get literally almost anything you would want from DVD-1
15:35<Web-sidux337>I have only Debian 5.01 Disk with lxde and xfce ...
15:35<Web-sidux337>this is a cd
15:35<Web-sidux337>and this is not amd64 version
15:36<babilen>Web-sidux337: yes, but you could just download the first (not netinstall) CD and install from there
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15:36<Web-sidux337>install from 1cd and install wifi card ?
15:37<babilen>Web-sidux337: Just install a complete system from CD-1, boot and you'll be able to connect to your AP (hopefully)
15:37<fogel>is some who can point me a package for mail service?
15:37<babilen>fogel: What kind of mail service?
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15:38<Web-sidux337>but i not want to download 1 cd and i used netinstall
15:38<babilen>Web-sidux337: Just download DVD-1 (it contains almost everyhting you'll ever need) and install from there. All the packages that the netinstall installer tries to fetch during install are on there
15:38<fogel>kind of like offer lotus notes!
15:39<babilen>fogel: ... evolution? (gnome) kontact? (kde) maybe ...
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15:39<Queue_Mr>when mounting volumes from a chroot, I first need to chroot to /dev/mapper/root and then mount /usr /var /home etc?
15:40<fogel>does evolution serves mail? i thought that was only a client.
15:40<Web-sidux337>that waste my time ... 1dvd on my link will donwload at ... 20 hours ?
15:40<fogel>i try exim4 but the configuration that i found was to rough.
15:41<babilen>Web-sidux337: The CD image is just 645 MB
15:41<Web-sidux337>i'll try another ways ... maybe install arch but i don't know
15:41<babilen>fogel: You want to configure a mail server?
15:41<fogel>that is correct.
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15:41<babilen>fogel: Have a look at exim and/or postfix
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15:42<babilen>fogel: Do you need a fully-fledged mail system, with MX record, smtp and everything?
15:42<Web-sidux337>Debian 5.01 cd with xfce and lxde wasn't have th support for my card ?
15:42<fogel>exim i tried. But didn't find it easy to config.
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15:43<fogel>no, is just a solution for a small school.
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15:44<fogel>is practically just a network with a simple route and two branches.
15:44<babilen>fogel: yes, but the school still has a FQDN (fully qualified domain name as in: and the server should receive/send mail, correct?
15:45<Web-sidux337>ok i must go. thanks for helping. bye
15:45<fogel>has a domain server whit active directory, but i'm tryin' to sell them linux solution. And they have lotusnotes to do that. But they don have a public domain. Just local
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15:52<durruti>irc spanish?
15:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:22<dpkg><kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease.
16:23<cahoot>wonder which he did choose
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16:51<simonrvn>since he was forced to do so anyway ;)
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16:52<nmartin>How does one change resolution in Grub?
16:53<simonrvn>like the rest of us, you rtfm
16:53<nmartin>Would that be read the manual?
16:54<nmartin>This from a dork in a 'chat' room
16:54<majhool>sour grapes
16:55<Xenguy>nmartin: no no, it's read the fucking manual ;-)
16:55<nmartin>Im familiar.. haha
16:56<nmartin>Well I guess Ill read the fucken manual then...
16:57<amphi>that is the beginning of wisdom
16:57<Xenguy>sorry, I meant fine manual, yeah, that's the ticket
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17:03<mika_>how to get rid of sticky/dead keys?
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18:38<simonrvn>that was the same person, fyi
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20:21<fgh>if i cat * |grep something can i in some way see in what file grep finds "something"?
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20:24<fgh>grep "something" *
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21:11<redmaw>is there any way to disable the foced filesystem check before booting? I really don't have 5 hours to wait for the damn thing today
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21:26<redmaw>hey, how do I set my user account to own a hdd so I can access it?
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21:27<faheem>redmaw: mount it, then change permissions
21:28<redmaw>it's mounted but I can't access it and I can't change permissions b/c you can't login as root
21:28<sney>why can't you log in as root?
21:28<faheem>redmaw: is it your only drive? give more details
21:29<redmaw>it's a hdd I need to copy some data to, nothing else
21:29<sney>what filesystem is it?
21:29<faheem>redmaw: ok, so why can't you become root?
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21:30<redmaw>I can become root, just not with gui interface and chmod doesn't appear to do anything
21:30<faheem>does your kernel support writing to ntfs?
21:30<handheldCar>right-click and run as administrator?
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21:31<redmaw>not an option
21:31<sney>the debian kernels all support ntfs writes, but it's best to have ntfs-3g installed
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21:31<redmaw>it its
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21:32<sney>if you chmod ug+rw the disk device, and run ntfs-3g setuid root, then that's a (kind of insecure) fast way to do it
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22:10<handheldCar>why would my debian refuse ssh connections and fail to display a web page?
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22:12<handheldCar>oh I think I see.
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22:29<Remmy>Hi all, running testing here. How can I see which xserver is being used? I'm trying to troubleshoot the problem where I can't get X back after resuming from sleep on disk.
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---Logclosed Sat Nov 28 00:00:40 2009