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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-03

---Logopened Thu Dec 03 00:00:21 2009
---Daychanged Thu Dec 03 2009
00:00<rgr>ok, its taken 6 hours for a stable->testing update on my laptop and now its rebooting ... fingers crosses ...
00:00<sney`>that must be one slow internet connection
00:01<rgr>the applications of the updates took eons.
00:01<sney`>oh, you must have had a lot of stuff installed
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00:05<rgr>well a full enough system.
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00:13<edbian>How can I dump the contents of the dnsmasq dns cache??
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00:15<sadiel>Hello. I just moved to debian 5.03 from ubuntu. I'm using gnome on a i386 box. I was having trouble mounting partitions in a "normal" user and it seems while trying to fix that I messed up something else. Now I cant run synaptic.I get this message: "E: ERROR: could not create configuration directory /home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)" How can I fix this?
00:16<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: dump it where?
00:16<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: To a file, I don't care I would just like to see it.
00:16<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: where is it?
00:16<rgr>how can i remove the networking applet from the gnome-panel? I have insatlled and use wicd so want to remove the other applet icon.
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00:17<gsimmons>edbian: Run with -d, send SIGUSR1.
00:17<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: cat /home/ed/cacheDump.txt
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00:18<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: No no, you mis-understand. That file is empty right now. I'd like to some how get the cache out of the dnsmasq program and put it in that file.
00:18<edbian>gsimmons: Can I run that command while it is running? Can I start and stop it using "sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq" ??
00:19<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: where does dnsmasq log it's stuff?
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00:19<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: in sys log. Which is the second part of my question. Where in the config file can I change that? I'm having trouble finding it in /etc/dnsmasq.conf
00:19<gsimmons>edbian: No, you need to stop the existing process (thereby purging your cache) and start it in debug mode.
00:19<edbian>gsimmons: IC, thank you!
00:20<jpinx-eeepc>sadiel: I suppose it'll depend on what you did that broke it
00:20<edbian>gsimmons: "sudo /etc/init.d/dnsmasq -d send SIGUSR1"
00:20<edbian>peej: ? Thank you?
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00:21<edbian>I am also curious about a couple lines from this file. What is "cache-size" is that referring to DNS cache size? Also, what is "negative caching" ??
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00:22<edbian>peej: I don't have anything under /var/lib/misc
00:22<gsimmons>edbian: 1) yes, 2) man 8 dnsmasq
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00:22<TheLostOne>As a newbie to linux what type would you suggest using?
00:22<edbian>gsimmons: What does the 8 do? It doesn't appear to make a difference!
00:23<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: this is Debian support - so we'll say debian :p
00:23<peej>that's where it tracks leases logged with epoch time. If the machine isn't there, the lease isn't there. Which I find useful. But I have no idea where it keeps the cache and how it logs that.
00:24<TheLostOne>Lol.. I am downloading the latest debian. But I am trying to find a distro that will have the same hardware recognition as Knoppix.. Wich is what I am running now
00:24<edbian>Thanks all!
00:24<TheLostOne>however. i cannot get Knoppix to install to my hdd
00:25<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: what are you downloading? CD1 ?
00:25<jpinx-eeepc>afaik knoppix is a live system only, not designed to be installed
00:25<TheLostOne>i downloaded debian 503 amd64 kde cd 1
00:26<TheLostOne>i understand that
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00:26<jpinx-eeepc>kde? *shudder*
00:26<TheLostOne>new... so what is wrong with the kde?
00:27<jpinx-eeepc>never mind me TheLostOne - you do what you like -
00:27<jpinx-eeepc>the CD should get you installed and working - come back here if you have any issues
00:27<jpinx-eeepc>welcome to debian :)
00:27<TheLostOne>Well I am completely new to using linux. I have been scripting for many years in windows based boxes but have found them to glitchy.
00:27<sney`>debian's hardware detection is very good lately
00:28<TheLostOne>I would like to find an os that i can use without all of the problems i am having with windows
00:28<jpinx-eeepc>what problems?
00:28<sney`>if you're good at scripting you can make linux stand up and dance on its head
00:28<TheLostOne>that has great power without having to have massive amounts of resources
00:29<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: I don't believe anyone uses the full potential of linux - especially debian ;)
00:30<peej>edbian, /var/run/dnsmaq/resolv.conf tracks dns servers used, looks like. Still dunno where it keeps its dns cache though.
00:30<jpinx-eeepc>what specific problems did you meet in windows?
00:30<TheLostOne>well I am downloading 4 distros xubuntu, gentoo, debian, and freebsd
00:31<sney`>freebsd isn't linux
00:31<gsimmons>edbian, peej: It isn't kept anywhere, dnsmasq's DNS cache is not persistent.
00:31<TheLostOne>free bsd is a form of unix though correct?
00:31<jpinx-eeepc>xubutu is a mess baased on debian
00:31<sney`>of those 4, you'll get the best support for debian and freebsd
00:31<jpinx-eeepc>gentoo is aka gentoo-hell :)
00:31<sney`>xubuntu is just a mess and all of its users are noobs, and gentoo is in the process of falling apart
00:32<sney`>they were a good distro while they lasted, but those days are past
00:32<TheLostOne>and the main problem i was having windows was poor resource management.
00:32<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: in debian you can control exactly what's using what
00:32<peej>gsimmons, ah, yes, man page hints at that when it says 1m hosts is about 60MB
00:32<TheLostOne>ahh kk
00:32<TheLostOne>thats exactly what i want
00:33<TheLostOne>im going to have to keep my windows installation on for gaming though i believe
00:33<TheLostOne>or can you get world of warcraft and modern warfare to run under debian?
00:33<TheLostOne>cause i have failed to get it to run under knoppix
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00:33<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: not really - there's lots of games in linux - or in wine
00:34<sney`>WoW runs under wine, I think. call of duty is too new though
00:34<sney`> knows.
00:34<TheLostOne>i saw something about cidega but im afraid to spend the money on it to use it
00:34<peej>pdnsd uses a cache. dnsmasq seems quite a better design and implementation.
00:34<int_80h>wow runs just fine
00:35<sney`>Cedega is just Wine with a fancy frontend, if you're competent at figuring things out yourself you dno't need cedega
00:35<TheLostOne>kk thank you
00:36<inkbottle>Hi, I'm wondering about fb and directfb. I haven't been able to have results with mplayer. How could I have a demonstration it works? Alternatively, is there sth special to do for that to work?
00:36<jpinx-eeepc>TheLostOne: don't go spending money - linux is free to get and free to use ;)
00:36<TheLostOne>has anyone watched live free or die hard.. I am watching it now and the flipping os that the hackers are using would be an awsome theme.. im pretty sure it was just all rendering but still it would be awsome to see a theme like that
00:36<int_80h>cedega is a fork of wine, btw
00:37<TheLostOne>sweet the debian is done
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00:38<jpinx-eeepc>int_80h: what's the benefit if foring from wine?
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00:38<int_80h>what's the benefit of forking, period?
00:38<int_80h>my point is that it's not simply a gui on top of standard-tree wine
00:39<sney`>well, neither is crossover, but it's the same idea. it doesn't have extra sekrat features or anything
00:39<sney`>and you can get the source code for personal use
00:40<int_80h>the source does not easily compile into a working product. they try to keep you from getting it for free
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00:40<int_80h>it's not a gpl product, after all
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00:43<inkbottle>I have tried mplayer -vo directfb, still not working. /dev/fb seems to be a problem
00:43<TheLostOne>what is lvm?
00:44<int_80h>inkbottle, have you loaded a framebuffer driver?
00:44<int_80h>/dev/fb may exist but not be useable unless the appropriate module is loaded
00:44<dpkg>methinks lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
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00:45<inkbottle>int_80h: no i haven't, I don't understand how it works yet, and I prefer to have advices before doing sth wrong
00:46<inkbottle>then where do i find a fb driver?
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00:46<int_80h>try modprobe vesafb?
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00:48<int_80h>a module (probably vesafb) will be loaded if you boot with the grub option vga=xxx (the numbers depend on your resolution...i use 791)
00:49<int_80h>i am able to use directfb option this way
00:51<int_80h>although fbdev works better based on my testing :D
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00:54<inkbottle>there is a xerver-xorg-video-fbdev, but i'm not sure it's mandatory (as you say i'have a beautiful splash screen at boot
00:55<inkbottle>i don't have fbdev (i check)
00:55<int_80h>xserver-xorg-video-fbdev is for running on top of the framebuffer, instead of using your vesa/nv/nvidia/whatever driver
00:55<int_80h>it is not how most people do things
00:56<sney`>it's pretty common on non-x86
00:56<int_80h>if you don't have fbdev, i don't understand. i got my binary from debian-multimedia on this laptop, and it has it. and of course the version on my desktop i compiled from source, it has *all* options lol
00:56<int_80h>oh yeah? sney to the rescue with some useful info
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00:57<int_80h>i have never run debian on non-x86. the only non-x86 i use regularly is sparc, and i run solaris on sparc (at work lol)
00:57<sney`>if your sparc machines have video-out, it's considered a framebuffer
00:57<sney`>and only some of the sparc framebuffers have actual working X drivers
00:59<int_80h>this is true, i suppose. solaris on x86 uses xorg, solaris on sparc uses openwin or cde
00:59<int_80h>but you're right, the graphic config tool is fbconfig, that does seem to support the framebuffer idea
00:59<int_80h>but none of the literature references it that way...i dunno, i rarely have to configure video on solaris, servers are all headless
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01:00<int_80h>tangent time. anyway, i'm off!
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01:01<TheLostOne>I need help with installing debian. I want to keep my windows. primarily because i dont have the space to back everything up with, but is there a way to dual boot windows 7 with debian with windows 7 being isntalled first?
01:02<sney`>you just need some hard drive space
01:02<int_80h>let linux install grub, then configure grub to chainload 7
01:02<sney`>current grub is pretty good at detecting other OSes, it may Just Work (tm) from the installer
01:02<TheLostOne>but what are the chances of me messing up and loosing gigs of data?
01:03<int_80h>small if you are careful
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01:03<int_80h>but making a backup first is always a good idea
01:03<sney`>with resizing your current windows partition? eh, slight, just be aware of how much space you really have to mess around with
01:03<int_80h>if it's data you cant back up and absolutely cannot lose, don't mess with it
01:03<int_80h>always risk in life
01:03<sney`>and if windows has been running for a while it couldn't hurt to defrag
01:05<TheLostOne>The main problem is the gigs of dvd rips of been doing since i got the netbook. I travel alot so ive been ripping them to my laptop. I have about 200 gigs used.... and i would hate to loose all of that
01:05<int_80h>i feel you, i've got about 2tb of them
01:05<int_80h>running out of space on my filer
01:06<int_80h>aaanyway i'm off, f'r serious
01:07<TheLostOne>So Occupations anyone? I a full time college student....
01:07<TheLostOne>studying iss
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01:09<sney`>hmm, xchat keeps making sounds like it's informing me of something, but there's nothing happening
01:09<sney`>TheLostOne: I'm an ex-sysadmin currently doing retail and trying to find myself
01:10<TheLostOne>how do you keep doing the to thingy...
01:11<sney`>I type part of your name and press tab and it fills in the rest plus a colon
01:11<TheLostOne>see i dont know exactly what i would like to be.. I would love to do something in networking.. Or gave a nice scripting job.
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01:11<TheLostOne>sney, ahh
01:11<sney`>well don't be a sysadmin, it succks
01:11<sney`>you can do the same tab-completion thing with commands in the bash terminal
01:12<TheLostOne>I am afraid to dual boot.. I think I will just make a couple of virtual boxes
01:13<sney`>that can work as well
01:13<sney`>easier for hardware support. though you may find it a good idea to get an external HDD and put some/all of your data on there
01:13<TheLostOne>thats what im doing right now.. but i hate having to use knoppix... damn thing doesnt save anything cause its a live cd
01:13<TheLostOne>im getting one within the next week
01:13<sney`>I try not to keep important things on laptop drives, too much movement
01:14<TheLostOne>found a 1tb portable for $130
01:14<sney`>that's not bad
01:14<TheLostOne>my laptop actually doesnt move that much
01:15<TheLostOne>i got it so i could take it with me if i go somewhere
01:15<TheLostOne>but i normally have it sitting on a desk connnected to 2 monitor
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01:47<PANZERIII>heya All
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02:35<hojda>Hi, HAL daemon (hald) does not run ----can not be found by Kpackage, is this obivous ?
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02:47<TheLostOne>I need help
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02:48<TheLostOne>I am going to download a debian distro but i do not know which cd to download
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02:56<gsimmons>TheLostOne: Didn't you previously download KDE CD1 for amd64?
02:56<StarkD> <-- TheLostOne this is the stable release for a regular PC. burn the CD and the rest will be downloaded
02:57<TheLostOne>yes i did.
02:58<StarkD> <-- TheLostOne this one then
02:58<TheLostOne>thank you
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02:59<TheLostOne>why the net inst though?
02:59<StarkD>well you can burn the other CDs if you want
02:59<StarkD>but the netinst only require one CD
03:00<TheLostOne>oh.. so the other way i would have to get all 31 cds?
03:00<StarkD>i think so
03:01<buffoon_work>actually afaik you just need the 1st one to install... the rest is just packages
03:01<StarkD> <-- TheLostOne there are DVDs as well
03:01<TheLostOne>im going with the net
03:02<buffoon_work>with all the 31 cds you're burning all the packages that are in debian main
03:02<TheLostOne>i need to find a way to back up about 20 gigs of info.
03:03<buffoon_work>so if you want to install without internet connection only the 1st is needed... I'm always doing netinstall btw (with a apt-proxy so that's a great performance if you've done it once before)
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03:04<TheLostOne>do you think that windows 7 will be ok with sharing hdd space with debian?
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03:04<StarkD>those 31 CDs holds 27534 packages :)
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03:06<cretsiah>im on crunchbang 9.04, how do i get network manager to accept my wpa-psk passphrase and find connection?
03:06<gsimmons>cretsiah: CrunchBang Linux is not supported here.
03:06<gsimmons>dpkg: crunchbang
03:06<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. #crunchbang on See <based on Debian>.
03:07<cretsiah>yep sorry dont know y it cam e here
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03:07<StarkD>TheLostOne: you will probably need to do some extra steps to get a dual boot with windows
03:08<TheLostOne>i dont want to completely wipe windows quite yet
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03:10<StarkD>dpkg: dual boot guide
03:10<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at . The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. See for an ISO image to help fix up GRUB problems.
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03:10<TheLostOne>lol ipod classic for backing up ftw
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03:15<TheLostOne>um... my iso burners slowest speed is x10
03:16<TheLostOne>is taht going to be a problem?
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04:00<rgr>any idea why the gnome mail notifier wont allow me to select port 993 for secure check on my imap server?
04:04<rgr>wow. The default mail notifier in gnome on debian has had ssl turned OFF and disabled by default. great.
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04:09<bolly>in networkmanager is it possible to make my 3g card connect at hsdpa
04:09<bolly>i have taken a look through gconf-editor but can't see what parameter to set
04:10<bolly>it feels like it's falling back on gprs or maybe edge
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04:38<zza>Hi people, I have a basic question which is not debian specific, but maybe someone would be willing to help. I am trying to download an "appication form" from some commercial website. suddenly I get a message "secure connection failed" (Iceweasel). The certificate is not trusted since the issuer is unknown (error: sec_error_unknown_issuer). then i courageously said I want to add an exception. and got a message: there could be someone trying to im
04:38<zza>personate the server. Iceweasel asked me if I wanted to make an exception I said no. Now I want to understand - what will happen if I say OK and add the exception? will I have an ssh connection with some server (hopefully the seerver of the commercial website)? i would not like to do this since I am not willing to have any ssh connections at all... otherwise what would all this mean? -- thanks for the help
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04:38<perk>it would be an ssl connection though right?
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04:41<zza>Sorry, I do not know what is an SSL connection. the "error" pages would not say this either
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04:43<zza>Oh you mean this is the same protocol as is used for credit card transactiions?
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04:45<Lethalman>zza, that means the certificate of the website has past the time
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04:45<Lethalman>and it must be re-certificated by international entities
04:45<HenrikJott>Hi all! I´m trying to get my debian lenny machine to access internet through one of my routers, but i keeps switching back automatically to the other router using the internet connected to that one.. how can i set default route and tell the server never to change it?
04:46<Lethalman>zza, their cost is much elevated and most of the time certificates won't be validated again... so if you trust them, you can say OK
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04:47<zza>Lethalman: in WHAT should I trust them? what exactly will be allowed to them if I accept? for the moment I am not paying or whatever, this is just an information sheet to fill-in.
04:48<Lethalman>you don't allow them nothing
04:48<Lethalman>the connection will be secure anyway
04:48<zza>however you said "if you trust them" - what did you mean then?
04:49<kooll>zza: you trust them on the fact that this ssl certificate belongs to this precise domain
04:49<Lethalman>zza, without a valid certificate you're not sure whether you're communicating with that website for real
04:49<zza>Ok so the whole procedure would nont allow them to login to my computer?
04:50<Lethalman>zza, of course not, there's nothing kind of that involved
04:50<diggy>they cant login to your computer in anyway through ssl
04:50<Lethalman>it's only... where are sending my data to?
04:50<zza>oh i see now -
04:50<Lethalman>but most of the time we say "Ok"
04:50<zza>so if I accept but do not send any data, there is zero danger, right?
04:50<Lethalman>only if you're talking with a bank or some credit stuff well, there must be a certificate there
04:51<Lethalman>zza, if you accept and enter the site without composing any form with any data you're right
04:51<Lethalman>you just navigate the secure way
04:51<Lethalman>for simple forms there's nothing bad to accept an invalid key
04:51<Lethalman>for paying stuff you must be sure you're talking with a certificated web site
04:52<zza>Ok I see now, thanks for the iinfo!
04:52<Lethalman>you're welcome
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04:57<slush>I've a machine that is almost unresponsive, loads gets higher every time I give a command that gets stuck, but then I can still login again and try some other stuff .. nothing in logfiles and top doesn't reveal anything that hits a lot of cpu .. it ain't swapping, disks ain't filling up or anything, network seems not very active either
04:57<slush>anyone a clue?
04:59<AzaTht>I'm trying to use dpkg-divert in a "local" package to replace conffiles, and I wonder if I should place the diverts in preinst/postrm or postinst/prerm? I though the former would be preferably, but I got problem when for example samba tried to restart after the divert but before an install of new conffile
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06:31<inty>hey, is there a bitlbee skype for squeeze hiding somewhere?
06:32<gsimmons>judd: versions bitlbee-plugin-skype
06:32<judd>gsimmons: bitlbee-plugin-skype -- sid/contrib: 0.7.2-1
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06:33<emixam>in a 32bits chroot made in a 64bits system, uname -r should say kernelrelease-amd64 or kernelrelease-i386 (when command typed in the chroot)
06:33<themill>emixam: the kernel is the same, so it will still tell you it's an amd64 machine
06:34<emixam>and how could i check if the chroot is really in 32bits?
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06:35<themill>emixam: "dpkg --print-architecture" will tell you what dpkg thinks it is. "file /bin/ls" or similar will tell you what sort of binaries are there too.
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06:37<emixam>themill: thank you very much ;) have a good day!
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06:39<BlackFate>emixam, if you are in a 32bit system you cant chroot ton a 64bit one
06:39<BlackFate>and vise versa
06:40<emixam>it's not what i read here :
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06:40<themill>BlackFate: you can create and use an i386 chroot on amd64, but not the other way around.
06:40<BlackFate>themill, my mistake
06:41<themill>(you can actually create a chroot of arbitrary architecture using debootstrap, you just can't chroot into it and actually have it work)
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06:42<emixam>BlackFate: liaaaar! it worked, my 32-bit software works now!
06:42<BlackFate>emixam, :P ye i am :P
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06:46<jedd>howdi, python-twisted-runner refuses to install or uninstall - script errors on the postinstall side, and on uninstall it warns me that it's in a 'very bad inconsistent state', so i can't dpkg --force it.
06:46<jedd>oh, debian unstable, just did an upgrade a few minute ago, and it seems to be tied with virtualbox-ose .. but can't be sure.
06:48<jedd>looks like syntax errors on post-install, so it 'tries the script from the new package instead' - these appear to have a syntax error around 'else'. which is obviously a touch weird.
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06:50<jedd>oh .. i take it all back .. seems to be a syntax error in /usr/bin/pycentral, a missing parenthesis on a usage() call .. once i get my main machine back i'll check b.d.o and let the maintainer know.
06:52<inty>did i miss something or why would this happen?
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06:53<themill>jedd: already filed
06:53<jedd>themill: - taa, yeah, just trawling through there now. doncha hate that? ;)
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07:09<tato_>ola pessoal
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07:49<tonguim1>Hi all
07:50<tonguim1>Please about process management, in which cases can i have a negative pid number?
07:55<chattr>tonguim1: you can't ever have a negative number for pids
07:57<chattr>tonguim1: init is (usually) pid 1, as it is the parent of all later processes
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08:03<tonguim1>chattr: thanks for answer
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08:03<chattr>tonguim1: np
08:03<tonguim1>but i saw a material where it was saying that
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08:04<tonguim1>the signal SIG can send a signal to a process if PID>1
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08:05<tonguim1>and to the group of the calling process if PID=0
08:05<diggy>the id can be less than 1, only process priority can be less than 0, but not less than -20
08:05<tonguim1>and to the process group if PID < -1
08:05<tonguim1>diggy: i see
08:06<tonguim1>thank you for answer
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08:15<tonguim1>diggy: aren't talking about the nice number?
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08:17<diggy>I said this about nice number
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08:20<MrNaz>i'm collecting DV and HDV footage, but storing it in the source format is not going to work, 12gb/hr is too much given that we get around 5 hours of footage a week
08:20<MrNaz>15 hours
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08:22<MrNaz>so... whats the best codec / settings to use for archival of source matierial, given that we'd need to work with it again at a later date
08:22<MrNaz>h.264 crf 18 ?
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08:26<emixam>i can't launch glxgears from my 32bits chroot, what could i have forget to install?
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08:59<namektran>can someone help me
08:59<petemc>if you're using debian, most likely
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08:59<namektran>my cpu speed is 3.16 but when i use the cpu frequency monitor its say my cpu speed is 2.o
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09:01<namektran>my cpu speed is 3.16 but when i use the cpu frequency monitor its say my cpu speed is 2.0. heelp
09:03<Titan8990>namektran, speed thorttling has been implemented in CPUs for a long time
09:03<namektran>whats that?
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09:04<Titan8990>namektran, when your CPU is not in full use it reduces its clock rate in order to save energy
09:04<namektran>so there is no problem with my cpu right :D
09:04<Titan8990>no, i doubt it
09:04<namektran>hehe thank you :)
09:04<namektran>see ya
09:04<Titan8990>intel calls that feature "speedstep"
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09:11<lero_>hi. does anyone using sid had problems with udev-148?
09:12<babilen>have a look at the bts ...
09:12<babilen>!btssmite lero_
09:12*dpkg beats lero_ around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if lero_ is running testing or unstable
09:13<babilen>and i just heard on #debian@freenode that "KnuckOne elipsoid: yes, it's fixed with 148-2 but still not in repos :p"
09:14<lero_>great :)
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09:14<lero_>it's working, but i need do ctrl+c in init and after that kill input_id that uses 100% of cpu
09:16<screenn>how to use mailx with address as the return addres in debian, like with -r address in solaris for example
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09:16<babilen>screenn: dunno, but "man mailx" might help
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09:18<screenn>babilen I'm not sure is it possible in linux?
09:18<babilen>screenn: what? viewing a man page?
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09:19<screenn>it doesn't has -r options
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09:19<babilen>screenn: as i said, i don't know about mailx. If it does not have "-r" (or another option to that effect) then I would say: "No it is not possible with mailx"
09:20<babilen>have a look at mutt, sendmail, mail, ...
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09:27<screenn>babilen nice, just was wonder mailx can't do that
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10:20<o0>did anyone ever used remastersys on lenny?
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10:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:22<o0>remastersys is in the official repos but needs ubiquity to be installed -i wanted to get it from the ubuntu-repos, but --force-yes installing it ended up in a whole mess
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10:23<o0>but its official called "Remastersys for Debian and Ubuntu"
10:23<o0>and is it said to work under lenny
10:23<themill>o0: don't mix different distributions. It's going to end in tears
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10:24<o0>sure, im just looking for someone got it actually working on lenny
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10:25<o0>i mean, why is it in the repos when it cant be installed because of missing dependencies?
10:26<themill>It's not in debian at all, is it?
10:26<o0>no ->
10:26<Cadmium01>Hey guys, I installed "avidemux" package from Debian multimedia repository and it pdated several dependencies that apparently have broken VLC playback. How can I check what packages on my system are "newer" than in the official Debian repository? Can I do this check somehow?
10:27<themill>o0: eh?
10:28<o0>..but its referenced by remastersys, which is in debian
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10:28<themill>no it's not
10:28<themill>o0: from what I can see, you're asking why one package that is not in debian is depending on other packages that are also not in debian. I'm not sure what we can do to help with this situation...
10:28<o0>oh hell
10:28<o0>:D sry guys
10:29<o0>i forgot i installed remastersys from a backport
10:29<o0>..what a pity
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10:40<Cadmium01>Is there a way to determine which packages are newer version than in official repo?
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10:44<lennartack>Hi there, anyone knows if there's http/socks proxy server software that can handle multiple logins ans preferably can log http traffic per login?
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10:45<Cadmium01>I broke my VLC playback by installing avidemux from debian multimedia
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10:45<Cadmium01>How can I check what packages it affected?
10:46<Cadmium01>lennartack, how about squid3 ?
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10:48<lennartack>Cadmium01: I'm using squid currently, but is it able to do that?
10:48<Cadmium01>lennartack, not sure to be honest with you, check their features list
10:49<Cadmium01>lennartack, should do multiple logons for sure, not sure about the log
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10:50<Kittymew>hey guys, how do I get wavetable midi to work in squeeze? I've got what I think is everything I need, but I still can't get pmidi or anything else to play it. I have the alsa soundfont tools and my soundfont is loaded
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10:55<Kittymew>Does debian use some kind of software midi synth I don't know about? Everything appears to be configured correctly now but I still get no midi playback.
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10:57<Tuplad>this is really hard to figure out :p how do I grep in my mp3 category for lets say "Lil" and only get the dir results back, and not in depth results (all files)
10:58<petemc>Tuplad: find with -type d and maxdepth
10:58<petemc>oh, you dont need maxdepth
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10:59<Tuplad>petemc: guess I'm doing something wrong
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11:00<Tuplad>petemc: vlad@atmosphere:/media/externhdd/mp3$ find -type d Lil
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11:02<Tuplad>petemc: I want to get all directories that start with "lil"
11:02<Tuplad>petemc: in that folder
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11:07<petemc>Tuplad: find . -type d -name lil\*
11:08<Tuplad>petemc: thanks!
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11:10<valdyn>Cadmium01: read your /var/log/dpkg.log
11:10<Cadmium01>valdyn, I'll look into it thanks
11:11<themill>Cadmium01: /msg dpkg which repo
11:11<valdyn>Cadmium01: i believe its libav stuff that breaks vlc
11:11<valdyn>Cadmium01: or you cannot use the dmm stuff without breaking vlc
11:12<Cadmium01>valdyn, I'll do it in VM from now on, just want to fix what I broke for now :)
11:12<valdyn>Cadmium01: but you can probably recompile debians vlc against dmm libraries
11:12<Cadmium01>valdyn, I'm not that advanced
11:13<valdyn>Cadmium01: up to you, its not overly hard
11:14<Cadmium01>valdyn, looks like the changes are in one of the archived logs
11:14<valdyn>lennartack: squid isnt able to do that per se, but you can "plug in" auth mechanisms
11:15<Cadmium01>valdyn, how can I check current Lenny libav version in Debian? and compare with my version?
11:15<valdyn>lennartack: or if you cannot do it with squid you probably cant do it with anything
11:15<valdyn>Cadmium01: its not "libav" but a longer time starting with libav
11:15<valdyn>Cadmium01: "apt-cache policy packagename" should list both , the debian and the dmm version
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11:16<Cadmium01>valdyn, even if I commented out dmm source?
11:17<valdyn>Cadmium01: it lists installed and available versions
11:17<Cadmium01>valdyn, ok, thanks
11:17<valdyn>Cadmium01: i think you should google for the precisely conflicing packages, im sure its in the bts or somesuch
11:17<Cadmium01>valdyn, bts?
11:18<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
11:18<valdyn>Cadmium01: ok, i googled for you:
11:19<m4xipaxi>why doesn't the more recent versions of apt-get allow me to remove predepends without removing their dependents?
11:19<valdyn>Cadmium01: mind, there might be better articles, i didnt read this one completely
11:19<Cadmium01>valdyn, thank you, I'll have a look, appreciate your help
11:20<themill>m4xipaxi: put in a pastebin so we know what you're talking about
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11:30<imperia>hello. what is the name of the configuration file for bttv in modprobe.d dir? bttv and bttv.conf doesn't work.
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11:31<kop>imperia: Do a 'dpkg -L bttv' to list all the files in the bbtv package.
11:32<imperia>bttv is part of the kernel. no such package
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11:35<haehom>o/ My problem is here:;a=commitdiff;h=22f9cb51c39a6fef1109bfd24e97d2fdda327a9e
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11:36<haehom>I know the issue and the patch is there, but I don't know how to patch :D I can't even find the folder extras o_O'
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11:36<grondilu>Hi, when I plug a SD card, it is automaticaly mounted on /media/LABEL_OF_MY_SD_CARD, but with root ownership, so that as a normal user I can't write on it. How could I change that ?
11:36<cahoot>grondilu: fat/vfat?
11:36<haehom>I assume I have to copy the code, but where?? :/
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11:37<grondilu>I'd like to keep ext2
11:39<grondilu>the mount is done using Pcmanfm on LXDE. Where is the code Pcmanfm use to mount external devices ?
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11:40<jpinx-eeepc>grondilu: that is strange - I use lxde and pcmanfm and it works for users
11:40<grondilu>with ext2 ?
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11:41<kop>grondilu: You'd mess with the udev rules that detect and automount, I think.
11:41<jpinx-eeepc>grondilu: look at udev
11:42<grondilu>ok I'll look at that, thks
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11:42<jpinx-eeepc>grondilu: but sd cards are usually vfat - and that might be your trouble
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11:42<grondilu>yes when formated with vfat it was working, but I'd like ext2
11:42<jpinx-eeepc>grondilu: sorry - no can do unless you find a way to force udev to play with you
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11:44<grondilu>maybe I can do a specific entry in fstab. Would that be ok with udev ? Which would be prioritary ?
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11:45<Cadmium01>valdyn, downgraded all the files and now vlc works. thanks
11:47<haehom>Does any one have an idea how to patch the code??
11:49<Titan8990>haehom, using `patch` I would assume
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11:50<haehom>Titan8990: But the web page contains only a c-file
11:51<Titan8990>haehom, whats this for?
11:51<haehom>Here is the problen and solution:;a=commitdiff;h=22f9cb51c39a6fef1109bfd24e97d2fdda327a9e#patch1
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11:52<haehom>udev takes 99,8% of my cpu with the mice multiplexer
11:52<Torsten_W>udev in sid is broken
11:52<Titan8990>haehom, i only see a patch
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11:53<Titan8990>haehom, your using sid?
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11:53<Gathond>haehom: just copy and paste the content of the patch window into a file and use patch
11:53<Gathond>well or just find the file and change that one line
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11:53<haehom>I tried that already, but I didn't find it :/
11:53<themill>the link at the top to "patch" isn't helpful?
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11:54<haehom>Okay, I've never used the 'patch' so how do I run it??
11:55<haehom>Is the extras/input/input_id.c | 2 +- the command o_O'
11:56<Titan8990>haehom, its the file
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11:56<haehom>So I have to just replace the content of the input_id.c file??
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11:57<Titan8990>no... you need to patch the file or manually change what the patch is changing
11:58<Titan8990>man patch
11:58<Titan8990>man diff
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11:58<haehom>Titan8990: Looking on those. :) Thanks :)
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12:04<D-HUND>I am pretty sure there was a template for new users home directories created with useradd but I cannot fint it atm. Someone has a hint for me?
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12:04<D-HUND>skel - yeah, thank you :)
12:05<Titan8990>D-HUND, unless you are scripting you probably want to use adduser in debian instead
12:07<D-HUND>adduser, rgr
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12:18<Kittymew>Hey guys, does anyone have any experience with emu10k1 wavetable synth? For some reason I can't get it working at all in lenny
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12:27<haehom>Titan8990: I can't find the original input_id.c :/ I found only the input_id binary file. Maybe I'll just wait for the update. I killed the process for now.
12:29<Titan8990>haehom, according to the patch its in the extras/input/ directory of the kernel sources
12:29<Titan8990>haehom, the patch is intended to be ran from the root of the sources
12:30<mjs>any eeepc 901/1000 users running sid w/ kernel 2.6.32? i can't get the rt2860 wireless working after suspend
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12:38<m4xipaxi>why doesn't the more recent versions of apt-get allow me to remove predepends without removing their dependents?
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12:41<m4xipaxi>like, package A doesn't depend on package B, but package A pre-depends on package B, meaning package A needs package B only until it gets installed and then i can remove package B. however, more recent versions of apt-get treat B as a (mandatory) dependency of A, so it forces me to remove A if i want to remove B.
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12:41<m4xipaxi>like, package A doesn't depend on package B, but package A pre-depends on package B, meaning package A needs package B only until it gets installed and then i can remove package B. however, more recent versions of apt-get treat B as a (mandatory) dependency of A, so they force me to remove A if i want to remove B.
12:42<m4xipaxi>sorry for the verbose correction
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13:24<endofox>e ai tem alguem ai?
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13:24<endofox>sempre entro aki e nunca vejo ninguem trocando ideia
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13:26<endofox>alguem pode me ajudar como faço para instalar o pidgin mais recente no debian?
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13:27<endofox>pois instalei pelo apt-get e instalou o 2.4
13:27<endofox>quero instalar o mais novo de 2009
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13:28<endofox>tentei instalar pelos pacotes .deb mas durante a instalação ele diz que a versao de certas dependencias sao antigas para poder instalar o pidgin mais novo
13:30<endofox>e por causa disso instalei uma versão mais antiga......como faço para atualizar mudar estas dependencias para versoes mais novas e instalar o pidgin desse ano
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13:30<fnmueller>Am I in the wrong channel?
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13:31<valdyn>m4xipaxi: thats not what pre-depends means
13:31<endofox>somone speek portuguese?
13:31<m4xipaxi>valdyn: what does it mean?
13:31<valdyn>m4xipaxi: pre-depends is a stronger depends and means that the package needs to be installed to install the other
13:32<valdyn>m4xipaxi: where simple depends means that the package needs to be installed to *run* the other
13:32<valdyn>m4xipaxi: run isnt precise, more like "to use the packaged stuff"
13:33<valdyn>m4xipaxi: depends is a subset of pre-depends
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13:35<m4xipaxi>valdyn: thank you, this makes everything clear. so they are the first ones to install because they need to be installed in order to *even install* the dependent
13:35<valdyn>m4xipaxi: yes
13:35<valdyn>m4xipaxi: this means that the postinst script for instance depends on it
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13:36<valdyn>m4xipaxi: most packages pre-depend on a package providing /bin/sh, but that doesnt need to be explicit
13:36<m4xipaxi>valdyn: are you familiar with debfoster?
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13:36<valdyn>m4xipaxi: redundant
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13:37<valdyn>m4xipaxi: features are included in apt-get and in aptitude
13:38<valdyn>m4xipaxi: debfoster might be a little more sophisticated i guess, looking at the manpage
13:38<valdyn>m4xipaxi: but i havent seen a need for it since aptitude got that features years ago
13:38<hojda>Fresh expert installation made hald daemon unable to start. Is something I can do ?
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13:39<m4xipaxi>valdyn: i don't understand why debfoster supports a "-o UsePreDepends=no" option along with "-o UseRecommends=no". i thought these options referred to weaker restrictions than dependencies (like recommends, suggests, essential and priorities, etc.), not stronger stuff (like pre-depends).
13:39<m4xipaxi>valdyn: it makes no sense
13:40<PANZERIII>Hi everyone,
13:40<m4xipaxi>valdyn: that's why i perverted the sense of "predepends" :)
13:40<PANZERIII>hdd gone raw, any open-source solution to back it up till i reformat ?
13:41<m4xipaxi>valdyn: debfoster is handy and is the new deborphan, so i guess it's designed with being-useful-despite-a-full-featured-and-modern-aptitude in mind
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13:41<PANZERIII>cause i may just pay to get the data , heart breaks me :P
13:42<valdyn>m4xipaxi: im not sure where i would ever switch "UsePreDepends=no"
13:42<m4xipaxi>valdyn: exactly, it makes absolutely no sense to me since your explanation
13:42<valdyn>m4xipaxi: maybe the dev didnt know either, but just put it there to cover all fields
13:43<m4xipaxi>valdyn: that's probably the most reasonable explanation
13:43<m4xipaxi>valdyn: anyway, it also means my confusion (inference) was reasonable :)
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13:44<jmut>what is recommended way to enable swap for debian. Should I just enter /dev/sda2 swap swap defaults 0 0 in fstab? I just noticed I have no swap running and I have sda2 just for that. I ran it manually with mkswap -f /dev/sda2 swapon /dev/sda2 and now free -m shows swap space. whats recommended approach to make permanent?
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13:44<valdyn>jmut: just edit /etc/fstab
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13:45<piluso>Hi all. Has anyone noticed (besides me) that in testing mysql-server && mysql-client are uninstallable ?
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13:46<PANZERIII>anyone ever had to deal with a gone raw disk ?
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13:48<Titan8990>piluso, its not unusual for things to be broken in testing
13:48<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
13:49<valdyn>PANZERIII: what the hell does "hdd gone raw" mean?
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13:50<Titan8990>my guess was that it no longer has a filesystem
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13:50<valdyn>im guessing that he doesnt know what hes talking about
13:50<hojda>what is apt-get autoremove ???? I guess I uninstall gnome now..... omg :-D
13:50<valdyn>"no workie"
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13:51<valdyn>hojda: thats in the manpage
13:51<Kittymew>hey guys, finally got midi synth to work, now I'm trying to install cinelerra, which has a .deb but it appears to have been broken for a bit. Error is shown in this paste:
13:51<hojda>debian main page ?
13:51<piluso>Titan8990: The thing is I haven't seen the correct bug in bts, thanks for the packages, btw do you know how much time it takes to fix usually ?
13:51<valdyn>hojda: run "man apt-get" in a terminal
13:52<hojda>thanks Ill try
13:52<valdyn>hojda: once there you type "/autoremove" <enter>
13:52<PANZERIII>valdyn : got it ?
13:52<Kittymew>Note that for lame I am using liblame0_3.96.1-1 from the lame devs and NOT the one from squeeze
13:52<valdyn>PANZERIII: got what?
13:52<hojda>I used the first command
13:52<Titan8990>piluso, I have heard things can stay broken in testing for months
13:52<Titan8990>piluso, its not intended you run it as a main system
13:53<PANZERIII>unvoluntary writings interruptions == data gone raw, formatting went over the window ? MASSIVE CAR ACCIDENT ON HIGHWAY ?
13:53<valdyn>PANZERIII: if you would just speak plain english this would be easier
13:53<hojda>It stops DHCP dbus daemon, is it good or bad ? :)))
13:53<valdyn>PANZERIII: those metaphors are not useful
13:54<PANZERIII>damn are you retarded ?
13:54<valdyn>PANZERIII: are you trying to troll me?
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13:54<valdyn>!tell PANZERIII -about ask
13:55<PANZERIII>valdyn: yeah, thats it, i troll . . . just forget it man, ill get help elsewhere
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13:55<piluso>Titan8990: Frack! Surely mysql will be fixed soon ... well I could install from source
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13:55<Titan8990>piluso, what is the error you get when you try to install?
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13:58<piluso>lankhmar:~# apt-get install mysql-server
13:58<piluso>Reading package lists... Done
13:58<piluso>Building dependency tree
13:58<piluso>Reading state information... Done
13:58<piluso>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
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14:01<hojda>I installed debian in expert mode and it can not run abtsract hw daemon at startup.. I can not run qparted, what can I do ? :)
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14:02<Titan8990>hojda, what happens when you try?
14:02<hojda>I will show
14:03<hojda>---Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald
14:04<piluso>Titan8990: This is what I get :
14:05<Titan8990>judd, versions mysql-server
14:05<judd>Titan8990: mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 lenny: 5.0.51a-24 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 sid: 5.0.67-1 sid: 5.0.75-1 experimental: 5.1.31-2 lenny-backports: 5.1.37-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.37-2 sid: 5.1.41-1 sid: 5.1.41-3 squeeze: 5.1.41-3
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14:05<Titan8990>piluso, aptitude install mysql-server-5.1
14:05<Titan8990>hojda, thats not an error, thats perfectly normal behavior
14:06<hojda>I am confused. I do not know what to say I probably uninstalled gnome with apt-get autoremove, qparted is unknown. games and applications aer missing
14:07<hojda>Can this help.. ? Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
14:07<hojda>dpkg: chyba při zpracovávání hal (--configure):
14:07<dpkg>no idea, hojda
14:07<piluso>Titan8990: E: Package mysql-server-5.1 has no installation candidate (I'm actually doing apt-get install mysql-server-5.1)
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14:08<Titan8990>piluso, pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:08<Titan8990>hojda, what version of debian is this?
14:09<hojda>I guess the last
14:09<hojda>mimnimal expert net install
14:09<Titan8990>hojda, what is the output of cat /etc/issue?
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14:10<eaglerock_>I need to restart the server again...connect in 15 seconds
14:10<hojda>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
14:10<Titan8990>piluso, aptitude update; then search for mysql server with aptitude search
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14:12<piluso>Titan8990: p mysql-server - MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version)
14:13<Titan8990>piluso, then, yeah, you have to wait it out or use stable (which you should be using in the first place)
14:13<Titan8990>hojda, aptitude reinstall hal; aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
14:14<hojda>that seems nice! ill try
14:15<piluso>Titan8990: You think I can use mysql from stable and then remove it ?
14:15<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
14:15<Titan8990>piluso, from sid using ssb. no guarantees
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14:17<piluso>Titan8990: between backports of source which one is easier to unistall ?
14:18<Titan8990>piluso, backports is much easier but is for stable only
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14:18<Titan8990>well, stable and old-stable
14:19<piluso>This is going to be fun ....
14:20<piluso>I'll put in a bug in the bts, and see how it goes.
14:20<piluso>hopefully it's not a big problem and it'll get fixed soon.
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14:21<piluso>Thanks for the help Titan8990 :)
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14:23<hojda>There was a package manage program that alerted some package errors if they existed, I do not remember a name... Do you ?
14:23<hojda>It made red icon in gnome
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14:25<hojda>Why can not I install linux that had no errors ........... ? :-D!
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14:25<hojda>It was enough in windows.....
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14:29<hojda>ok, there is some gnome mount I think I can fix it
14:30<hojda>I do not want windows anymore,but it does not means Ill get crazy because of linux . .. . :-DD :-D
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14:47<hojda> gnome-mount
14:47<hojda> gnome-volume-manager
14:47<hojda> gnome-power-manager
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14:49<hojda_>is my previous message vidible for all ?
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14:49<valdyn>!tell hojda_ -about smart questions
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14:49<hojda_>I wish to understand....
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14:53<hojda_>Is there an information wall I have to cross ?... : )
14:54<Kevka>Hi, I'm trying to get Debian on my PowerBook G4 17" and need some help...?
14:56<retrospectacus>hojda_: you need to read what dpkg just told you, about asking smart questions. Also, ask dpkg about paste
14:56<retrospectacus>Kevka: same for you... /msg dpkg ask
14:57<Kevka>Thanks, think I signed in after that message, though.
14:57<hojda_>It sound nice, can you tell me I do I use it ? :)
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15:00<hojda_>NICE:) It says me what to do, but it is silnet about-where are the links to make it happen... :-D
15:00<Kevka>All right. I'm running a PowerBook G4, and I downloaded the powerpc CD image here: I've written it to 2 CDs so far, and tried to boot from the CDs on my Mac by holding "c" during startup (which did nothing) and "alt" during startup (which brought up a boot menu, but the only option was my hard drive).
15:02<valdyn>Kevka: burnt how?
15:02<kurt>I'm trying to install etch and it failed to install Grub. It seems to be trying to install Grub to hd0, but my system doesn't have an hd0.
15:02<kurt>error message: "The grub package failed to install into /target/."
15:02<valdyn>kurt: why would you not have a hd0?
15:03<kurt>Is hd0 ATA?
15:03<valdyn>kurt: hd0 is the first bootable (hard)disk found by your bios
15:03<Kevka>valdyn: In Windows, transferring the extracted folder to a disc and telling it to "Write these files.
15:03<valdyn>Kevka: that was the wrong way
15:03<Kevka>Figured as much, not really sure what the right way is, though.
15:04<valdyn>Kevka: the installer is a disk image you need to burn by itself, not files to embed into a disk image to be burnt
15:04<valdyn>Kevka: maybe that at leawst helped you understand what windows did...
15:04<valdyn>Kevka: google on how to burn an iso on windows
15:04<valdyn>Kevka: i dont know anything about that
15:05<kurt>valdyn: I made partitions on sda and installed the OS to those partitions.
15:05<kurt>Can hd0 be sda?
15:05<valdyn>kurt: sure
15:06<Kevka>valdyn: Thanks, but what do I need to burn, then? The contents of /install/powerpc? Or just /install?
15:06<kurt>Well Grub fails to install to hd0 and so does Lilo.
15:06<valdyn>kurt: i think neither nor
15:06<valdyn>Kevka: ^^
15:06<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
15:07<valdyn>Kevka: at that page is the links for powerpc, the file is something like debian-503-powerpc-netinst.iso
15:08<valdyn>Kevka: looks to me like you got installer components typically used for usb installs or creating different custom installers
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15:09<Kevka>On the page I downloaded debian-503-powerpc-CD-1.iso, actually. Then when it finished, I extracted it, which might have been the wrong thing to do. Perhaps I'll try the netinst thing, though.
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15:10<valdyn>Kevka: nah dont
15:10<valdyn>Kevka: that disk is better for you than netinst
15:10<valdyn>Kevka: youre not supposed to extract it, but to burn it *directly* to disk
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15:11<Kevka>Gotcha. That's why I've written it to 2 CDs. I'll try finding an actual .iso burner, though. Thanks.
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15:11<valdyn>Kevka: using the default burning "system" included in windows xp will do the wrong thing
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15:13<worg>Kevka: you need some software able to burn iso images
15:13<Kevka>worg: Right, I'm looking at ISORecorder right now.
15:14<worg>are you using windows or mac'
15:15<kurt>valdyn: How do I tell the Debian installer to install Grub to the disk known as sda?
15:15<valdyn>kurt: you could try "alt-f1" and run "grub-install /dev/sda" there
15:15<valdyn>kurt: i dont really have a good idea of how the installer works
15:16<valdyn>kurt: or maybe thats alt-f2
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15:16<Kevka>worg: Windows, my PowerBook is a laptop.
15:17<worg>you can use Nero [on a trial for free] or DeepBurner Free
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15:17<Kevka>ISORecorder is free, too. I've got it running right now, I think it's working. If not I've got one more blank CD to try. But I'll check those others out. Thanks.
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15:20<worg>You're welcome good luck trying debian!
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15:23<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:29<miguel000>why do i need root access to mount a iso file in my home directory?
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15:32<E0x>miguel000: how do you try mount the iso ?
15:32<miguel000>mount file.iso dir/ -o loop
15:33<E0x>you need be root to mount anything
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15:34<miguel000>i do not want to log in anytime as root, just to mount the iso i need as a user
15:34<miguel000>is there some other way to mount the iso
15:35<miguel000>or to allow users to mount isos this way
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15:37<petemc>mc can read isos
15:37<petemc>as a non root user
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15:49<dmoerner>wow, gnome-shell is very cool
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16:07<nse>I am running a server with apache 2. Do I need to do any special configuration to allow connections?
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16:07<dr|z3d>nse: Port 80 and possibly port 443 tcp open on the inbound.
16:08<dr|z3d>And make sure your www dir is readable and maybe writeable by the apache user.
16:08<nse>dr|z3d: Ow! Thank you very much. I forgot about this detail.
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16:09<nse>dr|z3d: Could you please tell where the main configuration file is located so I can apply the change?
16:10<dr|z3d>nse: You'd make the firewwall change in your firewall, and the write permissions via chmod. Apache's main conf you'll find at httpd.conf or similar.
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16:10<nse>dr|z3d: Thank you very much.
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16:11<dr|z3d>nse: No problemo. For more laser guided advice, you might try irc:// :)
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16:21<Kevka>So I got my debian installing, but I came across an error that I don't know how to handle: [!] Partition disks: Device /dev/hda has multiple (0) logical sectors per physical sector. GNU Parted supports this EXPERIMENTALLY for some special disk label/file system combinations, e.g. GPT and ext2/3. Please consult the web site for up-to-date information. Warning! [Ignore] or [Cancel]. How should...
16:21<Kevka>...I respond to this if I have no idea what it's talking about?
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16:30<Kevka> help, then? I don't know what it's asking me.
16:31<adb>Kevka, change the hard
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16:32<Kevka>Change it how? Like put in a different one?
16:33<Kevka>Is the warning that it found stuff on the hard drive and it's making sure I don't delete it?
16:34<adb>no, is a partition tab which is incompatible whit installer
16:35<Kevka>Oh. Lame, I don't have another hard drive, and it's a powerPC laptop drive.
16:37<adb>Kevka, so use Apple to format it again and keeps for linux at least 2 partitions formated as Unix in apple therms
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16:38<Kevka>adb: Yeah, I'm rebooting to my OSX, so I can perform a partition. I was hoping I could just have the installer tear out a chunk of the free space, but apparently it couldn't find a big enough contiguous piece of free space.
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16:40<adb>backup your data , and repartition/reformat ALL the hard
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16:41<hojda>Can help ubuntu HAL initialize solution in Debian? They should be the same systems.
16:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:44<endofox>I'm having trouble installing pidgin and update the version of depencias necessary for versions of pidgin 2.6.2 to work properly
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16:45<endofox>Mostrar romanização
16:45<endofox>someone can tell me that the pidgin has webcam support?
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16:47<hojda>ja se z toho zblaznim.....
16:47<adb>judd, versions pidgin
16:47<judd>adb: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5 lenny-backports: 2.6.3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.3-1 sid: 2.6.4-1
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16:47<adb>endofox, see /msg dpkg backports
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16:51<endofox>adb, see this is it here
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16:52<endofox>adb, my problem is this
16:52<adb>endofox, not that way , add backports to sources.list and install pidgin from backports
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16:53<dpkg><niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns?
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17:04<endofox>adb, are you know me tell what pidgin have suport webcam?
17:05<endofox>adb, what version pidgin?
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17:05<endofox>adb, with suport webcam
17:05<endofox>adb, ?????
17:06<adb>see above what judd said about versions pidgin
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17:31<jeremiah_>hostname --fqdn should show my fully qualified domain name, right?
17:31<jeremiah_>But I get:
17:31<jeremiah_>hostname: Name or service not known
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17:38<greedo>quick question
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17:38<jeremiah_>quick non-answer
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17:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:40<jeremiah_>hostname --fqdn should show my fully qualified domain name, right?
17:40<jeremiah_>But I get:
17:40<jeremiah_>hostname: Name or service not known
17:40<wnd>jeremiah_, sounds like getaddrinfo() fails with EAI_NONAME for whatever reason
17:40<Zandaa>does anyone have any tips for samba configuration?
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17:41<jeremiah_>getent ahosts works.
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17:41<jeremiah_>Where should I set hostname then if not /etc/hosts /etc/hostname ?
17:41<greedo>I'm running Debian version 5.0. When I try to install intel's gigabit network adapter. It says make: command not found.
17:42<jeremiah_>greedo: Do you have make installed?
17:42<jeremiah_>You may need to install more that just make,
17:42<Zandaa>greedo, I'd advise you to do a 'apt-get install build-essential'
17:42<jeremiah_>you may need autotools, devscripts, gcc, etc.
17:42<int_80h>try apt-get install build-essential
17:42<Zandaa>noo, build-essential
17:43<greedo>well currently I have no working ethernet connection
17:43<jeremiah_>But - you're on IRC
17:43<Zandaa>greedo, you could try and download the debian package on another pc
17:43<int_80h>you can download the requisite packages manually from
17:43<int_80h>and put them on a usb stick or whatever
17:44<int_80h>be careful to get all necessary dependencies, it could be time-consuming
17:44<greedo>since I'm trying to install the gigabit ethernet driver
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17:44<int_80h>but the real issue is, why are you trying to 'make' an ethernet driver? just go get the binary
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17:44<greedo>i have the source files
17:44<jeremiah_>Yeah, that is good advice, just use the binary.
17:45<int_80h>there is no real advantage to building a driver from source in this instance
17:45<greedo>I don't have the binary
17:45<int_80h>go get the debian driver
17:45<int_80h>frankly i'm amazed debian didnt come with it
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17:45<int_80h>intel gigabit should be part of even the netinst cd
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17:45<int_80h>you *are* running debian, right? :P
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17:46<greedo>it's for the Intel Gibabit EF Dual Port Server Adapter
17:46<Zandaa>how would I set up a public Samba share on Debian?
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17:53<gsimmons>greedo: You can alternatively install a backported kernel image package (/msg dpkg bpo), the igb driver supports 82576-based gigabit Ethernet chipsets since 2.6.27.
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17:57<int_80h>zandaa: man smb.conf
17:57<Zandaa>int_80h, the smb.conf manpage never helped me out in 3 years of linux usage..
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17:59<int_80h>that sucks. i'm not gonna rewrite it for you, though
17:59<Zandaa>I know
17:59<Zandaa>wasn't expecting to
17:59<int_80h>(always worked fine for me too)
17:59<jeremiah_>So dovecot calls `hostname` and hostname fails, so dovecot fails and has to be purged forcefully.
17:59<Zandaa>I just need my Win Vista box to be able to see a public folder..
17:59<jeremiah_>This I think is a bug.
18:00<int_80h>hostname shouldn't fail, jeremiah_
18:00<int_80h>what's strace tell you?
18:00<jeremiah_>I haven't run with strace, I'll do that.
18:01<Zandaa>int_80h, for example... I have [public]path=/public with public being given read rights by everyone
18:01<Zandaa>int_80h, for some reason though it asks for a username, but the password isn set by me
18:02<jeremiah_>Lot of output from strace.
18:02<jeremiah_>tyring to sift through it to find something relevant
18:02<int_80h>what is the security method used, zandaa
18:02<int_80h>is it user, or something else
18:02<Zandaa>int_80h, have none set
18:03<int_80h>samba always runs in a security context, such as 'user' by default.
18:03<Zandaa>I thought as much
18:03<jeremiah_>access("/etc/", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
18:03<int_80h>jeremiah, that's normal
18:03<jeremiah_>ah, okay. :)
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18:04<int_80h>that's a file used for optimization stuff by the linker, if present
18:05<int_80h>not being there doesn't mean a thing
18:05<jeremiah_>It looked like some kind of shared object.
18:05<int_80h> is, is a sort've flag file
18:05<jeremiah_>Its weird because it looks like there are calls to uname, which returns the right info
18:05<Zandaa>int_80h, the assignment I'm doing asks of me to set up a public smb share that is reachable from a webbrowser...
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18:06<jeremiah_>uname({sys="Linux", node="", ...}) = 0
18:06<int_80h>zandaa, we don't help with homework assignments in this channel
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18:06<jeremiah_>Zandaa: Kind of defeats the purpose if someone else does your homework, eh?
18:07<Zandaa>jeremiah_, I know it kind of defeats the purpose, I'm not asking anyone to do my homework, I'm just looking for some pointers
18:07<int_80h>i'm confused, jeremiah. is a domain name, not a hostname
18:07<jeremiah_>Zandaa: But there is tons of stuff on the internet that will help you
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18:07<int_80h>zandaa, the smb.conf file has enough pointers for a beginner. the default even comes with a read-everyone setup
18:07<jeremiah_>Zandaa: Or the documentation for Samba
18:07<jeremiah_>Which is really good
18:07<int_80h>specifics of linux-windows interaction you might have to troubleshoot a bit
18:08<Zandaa>I'd rather skip the whole linux-windows interaction...
18:08<Zandaa>and keep to linux itself
18:08<jeremiah_>If you're on debian, look in /usr/share/doc/samba/
18:08<jeremiah_>Zandaa: Unfortunately for you, that is not possible in the modern world.
18:08<int_80h>have you tried mounting it on linux yet?
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18:08<int_80h>it can be, lol. i dont have any windows machines
18:08<int_80h>dont use any at work, either
18:08<jeremiah_>Most of the time you have to work with a heterogenous networks.
18:09<Zandaa>unfortunately, school forces me to use windows
18:09<int_80h>anyway, zandaa, good luck, but we don't help with homework.
18:09<jeremiah_> is the domain name
18:09<jeremiah_>But hostname -f or hostname --fqdn fails
18:09<int_80h>try setting it first
18:10<jeremiah_>It is set
18:10<int_80h>hostname 'yourhostname'
18:10<Zandaa>int_80h, I think I got it... :\
18:10<jeremiah_>/etc/hosts, hostname -s
18:10<zeus>Hi all, i need help with NETFILTER and i hope someone can help me. Looking at /var/log/messages i have a lot of lines linke this: Dec 3 23:44:46 dharma kernel: [104725.301893] INPUT_INVALID-DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:16:cb:a9:6f:ea:00:1d:7e:b2:d5:12:08:00 SRC= DST= LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=99 ID=766 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=3072 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 ACK SYN URGP=0
18:10<int_80h>hostname -s shows the short name
18:10<int_80h>try hostname 'yourhostname'
18:10<int_80h>then hostname -s
18:11<jeremiah_>It sets a name, that works.
18:11<int_80h>hostname is a memory state in the kernel, read from the config files. you can have a hostname without /etc/hosts
18:11<zeus>i think netfilter is dropping syn acks ... but i can' undertand why
18:11<int_80h>hang on a sec. zeus
18:11<jeremiah_>But when I install dovecot, it does a `hostname` fails and dies
18:11<zeus>can any one help me ??
18:11<Zandaa>I don't get it, why do I have to give people read and execute access to be able to see on the share?
18:11<int_80h>yeah but now that you've set it and it works, try installing dovecot again
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18:12<zeus>int_80h: ok ... no problem
18:12<jeremiah_>thanks int_80h
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18:12<int_80h>just remember: the configs are just read at startup
18:13<int_80h>changing them changes nothing
18:13<jeremiah_>You have the magic tough int_80h
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18:13<int_80h>unless they are re-read
18:13<int_80h>got it lol
18:13<int_80h>ok, zeus
18:13<jeremiah_>No, thank you!
18:13<int_80h>are you having connection problems
18:13<jeremiah_>I appreciate your help.
18:13<int_80h>or are you just investigating your logs
18:14<zeus>int_80h: i'm here !
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18:14<int_80h>ok zeus, are you having connection problems or just curious about your logs
18:14<zeus>int_80h: investigating log ... no problems here !
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18:15<zeus>int_80h: i think i've misconfigured firewall conf .... i got about 300 / 500 messages per day !
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18:16<_kooma_>sorry, i might be in wrong channel.. which is the disgussion?
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18:17<int_80h>zeus, do you have any configs related to states?
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18:17<zeus>int_80h: sure ! are you interested in my firewall conf file ?
18:17<_kooma_>so this is for kde?
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18:18<_kooma_>okay, i'm in wrong place...
18:18<int_80h>kooma, this is debian
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18:18<zeus>int_80h: look at lines 80 ... 86
18:18<_kooma_>well, i'm just searching a talking company, no need to talk in computer isssues at the moment
18:18<int_80h>zeus paste me the output of iptables -L
18:18<int_80h>not your loader script
18:19<zeus>int_80h: ok ... just a sec
18:19<Zandaa>int_80h, question though, I got my public share working, but am I correct in stating that I need a permission mask of read and execute to be able to use the share?
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18:19<_kooma_>but if someone has a problem, i'm here to listen, cant do much but i do my best... *grin*
18:19<int_80h>kooma, i'm sure there are plenty of other channels for chat. gl
18:20<_kooma_>int, i gues so too
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18:20<int_80h>zandaa, you need at least rx on a folder to list it's contents
18:20<Zandaa>ahh, you keep learning every day
18:21<Zandaa>did debian ever have a functions file in /etc/init.d?
18:21<zeus>int_80h: here you are !
18:21<int_80h>zandaa, it's /lib/lsb/init-functions i think
18:21<Zandaa>I've been looking all over for the file
18:22<Zandaa>stupid teacher sets assignments, but doesn't know crap
18:23<int_80h>zeus, lots of comments. first, you dont need any of those output rules. they are redundant, because the chain policy is accept
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18:24<int_80h>2nd, your log issues are due to the rule where any state packet that is invalid is dropped and logged.
18:24<int_80h>this means any syn packets out of order
18:24<int_80h>which can happen normally, or might be part of certain types of attacks
18:24<zeus>int_80h: you 're true !! but ... do you think this can be a problem ? i think no if the policy is accept ! isn't it ?
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18:25<int_80h>the output policy stuff isn't needed. here's what i recommend: only use rules you understand. stop using a script, and instead create a 'state' of your rules with iptables-save > /etc/network/iptables.conf and restore it on ifup with if-up iptables-restore < iptables.conf
18:26<int_80h>this way you will always have a 1-to-1 correspondence between config and running rules
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18:27<zeus>int_80h: do not blame me ... but i hate the iptables-restore / iptables.conf
18:28<zeus>int_80h: i find very hard to read it ... (i came from BSD ipfw)
18:29<int_80h>iptables-restore is very clear, it is just a dump of the commands needed to add all the rules you currently have
18:29<int_80h>but you don't have to use it if you don't want
18:29<int_80h>18:23 -!- k1lumin4t1 [~k1lumin4t@] has joined #debian
18:29<_kooma_>okay, i'm losing the grip.. can someone help, the newbie in the pits of the IRC?
18:30<int_80h>that's a reasonable default iptables setup
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18:30<_kooma_>it seems, that this is only place, after ubuntu forum, where is people
18:30<zeus>int_80h: excuse me may i come back just a sec to your 2nd comment ? how can a syn ack be "out of order" ? and assuming it's really out of order can i say i'm wasting bandwith ? (if i do not get a syn ack the packet should be rejected)
18:31<_kooma_>or is it just the same people afterall?
18:31<int_80h>if someone sends you an ack to your syn spuriously, dropping it is fine but unnecessary
18:31<int_80h>the amount of bandwidth is negligible
18:32<int_80h>or an ack to no syn, as is more accurate
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18:33<zeus>int_80h: ... mmm ... you 're right !
18:34<zeus>int_80h: so can i ignore those messages and can i continue to live happy with my debian ?
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18:35<_kooma_>okay, when i'm here. I'd like to ask, what are the differences in Gnome and KDE? I'm using Ubuntu, and having both packakes, working fine together, so what's the difference?
18:35<int_80h>kooma, there are plenty of people on this irc network
18:35<int_80h>gnome and KDE are different environments. you can have them both installed but you can only run 1 at a time
18:36<int_80h>zeus, i cannot imagine any real harm coming from some unnecessary log messages
18:36<int_80h>i guess maybe if you don't have logrotate, and it eventually fills up your hdd
18:36<_kooma_>okay. How i know which enviroment i'm using now? I know, that i installed Ubuntu 8.10 interbid
18:36<zeus>int_80h: :-)
18:37<zeus>int_80h: i have to thank you man for your precious help !
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18:38<_kooma_>and i'm very, very sorry about my english, as i'm a finnish...
18:38<int_80h>a fin!
18:38<_kooma_>jep, lol
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18:39<franki^>kooll: your english is fine, although this isn't really the place for questions about ubuntu, but if you installed "plain" ubuntu (not kubuntu or xubuntu) you will be using gnome
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18:39<franki^>oops, _kooma_
18:39<franki^>kooll: sorry
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18:40<zeus>int_80h: i'm leaving ... THANK YOU again !
18:40<_kooma_>sorry, about the questions, i'm just wondering... like all the newbies are, i quess
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18:41<_kooma_>what makes this so funny, is that i've been using ubuntu now about 4 years, and this is first time when i'm asking something about of it..
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18:41<_kooma_>and still newbie.
18:42<_kooma_>Which, package of debian I might start the testing, so this is after this Ubuntu 8.10
18:42<babilen>int_80h: speaking of iptables .. would you mind taking a look at: which I use right now. I crafted it some time ago and am still not sure if I made mistakes, and unfortunately #netfilter@freenode is dead ..
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18:44<_kooma_>sorry, i go now.. hope that i find a correct forum..
18:44<babilen>_kooma_: If you need help with Ubuntu /join #ubuntu on or install Debian and come here (or #debian@freenode)
18:44<int_80h>lots of redundant drops habilen
18:45<int_80h>#debian/freenode is full of jerks
18:45<_kooma_>babilen, thanks..
18:45<int_80h>they banned me for correcting someone...i came back a week later, they banned me again, 'just because'
18:46<babilen>int_80h: because of the default policy?
18:46<int_80h>yes babilen
18:46<_kooma_>but there's no one, if did it right....
18:46<amphi>!comfort int_80h
18:46<dpkg>There, there, int_80h. It's OK. I'm here for you.
18:46<babilen>int_80h: alright, i'll correct that. Thanks for pointing that out. Anything else? Other tips?
18:46<int_80h>thank you.
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18:47<int_80h>haven't finished reading...
18:47<int_80h>i don't understand why you have SO MANY flag checks. do you not trust tcp to do it's job? lol
18:49<_kooma_>did i lost the rolls? no one in ubuntu chat... well i might
18:49<babilen>_kooma_: #ubuntu on
18:49<int_80h>do you run a large multi-user machine? why so many output filters?
18:50<int_80h>anyway it seems to work but is wayyyy more complicated than it needs to be. imo, iana[network engineer]
18:50<babilen>let's say I am a bit paranoid and I actually wanted to learn iptables ...
18:50<Zandaa>gragh.. apf firewall is killing me :|
18:50<int_80h>paranoid is cool. but you should build from the base i linked earlier as a method
18:51<babilen>so you would remove BAD_TCP and simplify the output chain?
18:51<babilen>int_80h: What are the advantages of your base?
18:51<_kooma_>babilen, sorry, i found it... thanks, needed bit kicking...
18:51<int_80h>whitelist method is easier to manage
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18:51<int_80h>drop by default, open only what's necessary
18:52<babilen>I drop by default ...
18:52<_kooma_>babilen, but no one's there neither...
18:52<int_80h>i have a few more rules, some forwarding stuff for my networks, some basic spoof checking
18:52<_kooma_>or either...
18:52<int_80h>but nothing so intricate as what you've got
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18:52<int_80h>disallow your local IPs from external interfaces for spoof prevention, for example
18:53<babilen>OK, i'll guess i remove the redundant DROPs and stick with my setup. It served me well so far ...
18:53<babilen>thanks :-)
18:55<babilen>had some problems with excessive ssh connections ... and some tcp rst (scaling window) once which is why i check the flags
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18:55<_kooma_>so was that "freenode" correct site/room? I'm there, but no one else isn't..
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18:56<babilen>_kooma_: no is a different network (like you are on now) and you can find a channel #ubuntu there
18:56<int_80h>hmm. i ratelimit ssh, but don't have any issues with window scaling
18:57<babilen>int_80h: I don't have that anymore ... But I had a few of them at 2XC3 ;-)
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18:57<babilen>and why not? I mean enforcing correct TCP/IP should not create any problems ..
18:59<_kooma_>babilen i have already both, the debian (this one whrein i'm now) and a second, the #ubuntu, where's no one at the moment, also I did try search a channel you posted to me, which is in FreeNode and "irc,"
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19:00<babilen>_kooma_: and also:
19:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:03<_kooma_>okay, i'm using a ubuntu which is a copy of Debian... well i change that thing almost immeadately...
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19:04<_kooma_>sorry, for posting in this forum, as i sayd before, i'm newbie, if that helps me not, but anyway....
19:04<hojda>Is linux-headers I need to bypass gcc check for installing nvidia ?
19:04<_kooma_>in finnish, Paskan Marjat, näillä mennään!!!
19:05<babilen>_kooma_: please go to the websites i gave you and read them ..
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19:07<babilen>_kooma_: there might also be finnish channels for ubuntu, but ask THEM and not #debian
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19:08<_kooma_>ok. i found a fund raiser site, and something about Helsinki thus far.. got to read more...
19:09<_kooma_>bypasses my brains...
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19:10<Lib0106>fuhg iudf h
19:10<Lib0106>]dk lksdk
19:10<av_>Hey I have a quick question. I'm sitting in class right now on a campus PC with a secure shell to my home computer. I was using X forwarding to use gedit in class for messing around with C/C++. Problem being, gedit no longer works. Other applications like xclock work fine but when I run gedit in my shell it just pauses a moment and then prompts for another shell command like nothing happened. I'm forwarding to the windows portable app
19:10<_kooma_>see ya!
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19:13<int_80h>av_, strace it. find out what's going on
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19:14<av_>I'm seeing a segfault. Want me to write the output to a file and upload it?
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19:15<int_80h>unless you see a missing file beforehand, i can't correct segfaults from here :P
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19:17<av_>I'm not seeing a specific missing file error. Though I'm new to stack tracing.
19:17<int_80h>that was productive
19:18<av_>it segfaults right after printing "getdents(13, "
19:18<av_>if that means anything
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19:19<int_80h>get directory entries
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19:20<int_80h>sounds like a program issue. segfaults are 99% of the time. could be it's got some lockfile, temp directory, or something still hanging around after a crash and it cant handle it...but this is still it's fault
19:21<av_>I should mention it worked initially and then crashed
19:21<av_>after the crash it stopped running
19:21<ichdasich>av_: create a fresh user and test it with that one.
19:21<av_>Is there a command to clear that out without a reboot?
19:21<int_80h>you could log in as a diff. user
19:21<int_80h>might fix it if the local config files are the issue
19:21<int_80h>you could try uninstalling with purge, and reinstalling
19:22<av_>meh since I'm working over a laggy shell I'll just do the latter.
19:22<av_>At least the issue is diagnosed for later meddling when I'm home.
19:22<av_>Thanks :D
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19:34<tzafrir_-_laptop>any idea how I allow access Squeeze's saned ?
19:35<tzafrir_-_laptop>init: access by host ::ffff: denied
19:35<tzafrir_-_laptop>I'm so far unable to make anything in /etc/sane.d/net.conf to match that
19:35<tzafrir_-_laptop>I tried '+' as well
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19:37<ichdasich>hm, is ( currently in a maintenance-process/down?
19:37<tzafrir_-_laptop>Or simply how to make saned not bother with ipv6?
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19:41<strefli3>Does anyone see why this is not working? sed -e 's|M:\fsaegrp|\egr\research\fsaegrp|g' test.wvm > test2.wvm
19:41<ichdasich>babilen: thx
19:42<ichdasich>a traceroute dies at an DFN-hop.
19:43<int_80h>strefli3: you're trying to replace IM:\fsaegrp with \egr\research\fsaegrp ?
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19:43<int_80h>what message are you receiving
19:44<babilen>ichdasich: you might want to bugger the DFN/belwue/whatever netadmins then ... ;-)
19:44<ichdasich>babilen: seems so.
19:45<strefli3>int_80h, Yes, that is what I am attempting.
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19:46<strefli3>int_80h, Well, almost, M:\fsaegrp with \egr\research\fsaegrp
19:46<int_80h>strefli3: my first thought is that you need to escape \ else you're just escaping f, e, and r, which has no effect
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19:47<tzafrir_-_laptop>sorry for the noise. edited the wrong file
19:47<tzafrir_-_laptop>It still doesn't work, though
19:47<int_80h>try sed -e 's#M:\\fasegrp#\\egr\\research\\fsaegrp#g'
19:48<int_80h>except correct the typo i made in M:\\fsaegrp
19:49<int_80h>that command works for me
19:49<strefli3>int_80h, Yup that did the trick, I just need the double \\ I am still going to use the pipes though. Thanks!
19:49<int_80h>i just use # out of habit, pipe has other meanings
19:50<int_80h>you can use any character you want, just about
19:51<strefli3>haha, so does / which every sed examples uses!
19:51<tzafrir_-_laptop>right. USB scanner only available as root :-(
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19:56<int_80h>tzafrir, just change the permissions on the device node, or add yourself to the appropriate group
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19:56<int_80h>bam: user-level access to device
19:56<tzafrir_-_laptop>hmm. running saned as root :-(
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19:57<tzafrir_-_laptop>works :-(
19:57<int_80h>im not familiar with scanners, you'll have to ask around or google and figure out what the device name is
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19:58<int_80h>besides, saned is the daemon, maybe it's supposed to run as root? some daemons do
19:58<jeffrey1790>i have a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit system, the 32-bit chroot is using the 64-bit kernel for some reason, how do i change this?
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20:06<int_80h>jeffrey1790, chroots are not virtual machines -- they run the same kernel as the rest of the OS
20:06<int_80h>a chroot works because the amd64 variety of cpu can also execute 32bit instructions
20:07<int_80h>you keep the chroot to have 32bit libraries for your 32bit applications
20:07<int_80h>i hope that's clear
20:07<jeffrey1790>i just need to install the nvidia drivers in the chroot and it wont let me.
20:07<int_80h>you should install the 64bit driver
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20:08<jeffrey1790>i get this when i try to
20:08<jeffrey1790> 880: ./nvidia-installer: not fo
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20:13<int_80h>sounds like a corrupted file, jeffrey1790. it auto-extracts nvidia-installer then runs it
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20:14<amphi>jeffrey1790: what's the sebang line of the script?
20:15<int_80h>amphi, it's a self-extracting executable
20:15<int_80h>i dont think you can read it
20:15<jeffrey1790>Verifying archive integrity... OK
20:15<int_80h>it extracts and then calls nvidia-installer
20:15<jeffrey1790>ill try an older nvidia-installer
20:16<amphi>int_80h: oh, I thought it might be a script not finding its interpreter
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20:50<coolman>I'm trying to compile pidgin but is giving this error:
20:50<coolman>configure: error:
20:50<coolman>You must have 2.4.0 or newer GLib development headers installed to build.
20:50<coolman>If you have these installed already you may need to install pkg-config so
20:50<coolman>I can find them.I'm trying to compile pidgin but is giving this error:
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20:52<int_80h>coolman follow instructions and install the glib headers
20:52<int_80h>it's plain english man
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20:55<coolman>Mostrar romanização
20:55<coolman>how can I install it ....? I tried apt-get install glib
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20:57<Nemoder>coolman: headers are usually in -dev packages, search for those
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21:02<Nemoder>coolman: I don't know the exact package name, but something like that
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21:03<coolman>How do I install it using apt-get or aptitude
21:03<coolman>which the syntax?
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21:21<amphi>!tell coolman -about why aptitude
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21:22<amphi>coolman: I expect libglib2.0-dev is what you want
21:23<amphi>!tell coolman -about search
21:23<coolman>I need glib 2.4.0
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21:27<coolman>look this is the problem
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21:29<coolman>I need GLib 2.4.0 for continue compiler pidgin
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21:30<amphi>judd: versions libglib
21:30<judd>amphi: libglib --
21:30<amphi>judd: versions libglib2.0
21:30<judd>amphi: libglib2.0 --
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21:31<coolman>Someone know how make
21:31<coolman>apt-get install ligblib2.0 resolve the problem?
21:32<amphi>I told you the package name
21:32<amphi>what branch of debian are you running?
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21:33<coolman>amphi, debian lenny
21:34<amphi>coolman: did you install libglib2.0-dev ?
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21:36<Nemoder>coolman: why are you trying to compile pidgin anyway?
21:36*amphi had also wondered
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21:37<amphi>irssi is in lenny ;)
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21:43<x>ci sono italiani
21:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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21:45<jmux>coolman: FYI - there is already v2.6.3-1~bpo50+1 in lenny-backports - might be easier to install, then to compile...
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21:49<Zarathushtra>where can i get help on vim
21:49<x>ma nella lista non ho debian
21:49<Zarathushtra>I know it may not be the right channel but ill give it a try
21:49<Zarathushtra>my lines wrap at the far right end of the screen
21:49<x>debianm .it
21:50<coolman>now need GTK 2.4.0
21:50<Zarathushtra>i'd like to move freely around much like in any other word processor
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21:51<adb>Zarathushtra, try #vim on
21:51<coolman>amphi: I need GTK 2.4.0 ....and now?
21:51<Zarathushtra>oh i thought i was on freenode
21:51<Zarathushtra>omg noob detected wtf
21:52<Nemoder>x: /join #debian-it
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21:52<amphi>coolman: you do the dance again; find the dev package name and install it; and again... and again...
21:53<amphi>coolman: pidgin is in lenny in any case, it seems
21:53<Nemoder>coolman: why are you compiling pidgin instead of using the debian packages?
21:53<adb>take pidgin from lenny-backports
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21:57<coolman>How funcinalyt backports? no understund backports
21:57<lark>I'm trying to install packages on an old etch install, but the repository seems to have moved. Anyone know where to point my sources.list to?
21:57<x>come trovo
21:57<jiohdi>lark, you can point it to testing, but it could break your system
21:58<adb>!tell coolman -about backports
21:58<lark>I don't wan to upgrade. I want to install the etch versions
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21:58<lark>Kind of weird they just can't keep the repos in the same place forever.
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21:59<adb>lark, change etch in sources.list with "oldstable"
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21:59<Nemoder>adb: wont that update him when lenny becomes oldstable?
22:00<adb>!tell lark -about etch
22:00<jiohdi>that will not be until july or so right?
22:00<adb>Nemoder, maybe , but for now is o
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22:03<adb>Nemoder, and next release will be better to be on lenny ...
22:03<Nemoder>unless your hardware is too old to run it
22:04<lark>That doesn't work. Can't stat package list. Here's part of my sources.list:
22:04<lark>deb etch main
22:04<lark>I changed etch to oldstable
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22:04<lark>The list is still avail on, but the actual packages seem to be gone.
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22:05<adb> oldstable main
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22:06<adb>lark, which package/s ?
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22:07*adb got a etch local mirror
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22:10<lark>Anything else I need to do? Still says it cant's stat source package list.
22:11<Nemoder>lark: what does your deb-src line say?
22:11<lark>Sorry, not familiar with apt/dpkg. Where is deb-src?
22:11<adb> deb-src oldstable main
22:12<Nemoder>lark: just another option in sources.list, pastebin your whole sources.list if you aren't sure
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22:12<lark>deb-src oldstable main
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22:16<adb>put in line 9 and 10 oldstable too
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22:19<Nemoder>lark: if that doesn't work pastebin the errors you get too
22:20<Nemoder>lark: I still have a machine on etch, it just updated fine
22:20<lark>I tried the apt-get update. That failed in the same way
22:20<adb>lark, 04:14<adb> put in line 9 and 10 oldstable too
22:21<lark>Yes, deb etch/updates oldstable main contrib
22:21<Nemoder>i wonder if that's a local write error, are you out of disk space?
22:21<lark>No / is 25% full
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22:22<adb>deb oldstable/updates oldstable main
22:22<adb>thats one > deb oldstable/updates main
22:22<startx09>hi im using lenny, when i click on workspace switcher the top and bottom panels disappear
22:23<startx09>i have compiz installed
22:23<adb>startx09, gnome ?
22:24<jmux>lark: line 24: W: You may want to run __apt-get update__ to correct these problems - if there are errors, put them on pastebin too
22:24<startx09>the desktop cube rotates but the panels disappear
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22:26<lark>Missing public key
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22:29<Nemoder>maybe apt-key update?
22:29<gsimmons>dpkg: tell lark -about new archive key
22:29<jmux>lark: when was your last upgrade?
22:29<lark>Probably over a year ago.
22:29<startx09>adb, do you think i should ask in #gnome and #compiz?
22:32<adb>link not work
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22:34<adb>startx09, here compiz works well but /msg dpkg compiz
22:35<startx09>compiz is working fine...i can rotate cubes,etc. but the moment i switch desktop using "workspace switcher" applet from panel..the panels disappear after rotating the desktop to that workspace
22:35<lark>Well, I finally got my fam.h installed through apt-get. Thank for the help folks.
22:36<adb>startx09, maybe your graphic driver ? what you use as ?
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22:38<startx09>i doubt that since compiz works well for every other distro. I use nvidia 8800GT
22:39<adb>and kernel-nvidia-source is ?
22:39<adb>or who it is named
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22:40<adb>well nvidia-kernel-source
22:41<adb>startx09, try to use 185 ... from sid
22:42<startx09>hmm im really kind of worried abt messing up my system, that's why i never use unstable..just plain old stable packages
22:42<startx09>will using 185 cause problems with lenny?
22:42<adb>i use 185 on lenny too
22:42<startx09>oh ok
22:43<adb>but installing is somewhat tricky , but works
22:43<startx09>can you give me your sources.list line for sid..
22:44<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
22:44<adb>pick it from
22:44<startx09>but what about dependencies?
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22:44<adb>no worry
22:45<startx09>i was thinking about enabling the sid repo and upgrading driver and disabling it
22:45<startx09>let me try
22:46<adb>wget theme + nvidia-glx (from sid too) ,
22:47<startx09>185 aint there just 190.42-3
22:47<startx09>is that ok?
22:48<adb>should works too
22:48<startx09>thanks il check it out
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22:50<adb>judd, versions dkms
22:50<judd>adb: dkms -- squeeze: lenny-backports: sid: squeeze:
22:50<hojda>has gnome its own graphic driver? screensavers does not know my installed nvidia....... wow
22:51<adb>nvm ..
22:51<adb>nut still no
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22:53<hojda>why games OK ,, screensaver almost doesnot work ?
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22:55<adb>gnome-screensaver , hojda in lenny ?
22:55<ZeZu>hojda, all X uses xf86-driver specified in Xorg.conf
22:56<hojda>I have the latest debian minimal graphic net install version, i think it is lenny
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22:57<hojda>so I only need to install xf86-driver ?????
22:58<adb>hojda, what do you trying to do ?
22:58<coolman>amphi: I need XScreenSaverRegister...what this is?
22:58<hojda>adb, full creen screensaver
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22:59<adb>hojda, on gnome ?
22:59<coolman>have not in list package debian in site
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22:59<hojda>coolman, ??
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23:00<coolman>amphi What nome this package?
23:00<hojda>coolman, it is to me ?
23:00<coolman> XScreenSaver extension development headers not found.
23:00<coolman>Use --disable-screensaver if you do not need XScreenSaver extension support,
23:00<coolman>this is required for detecting idle time by mouse and keyboard usage.
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23:01<hojda>wow ?
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23:01<coolman>hojda: if help me
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23:02<coolman>hojda : help me guy please
23:03<coolman>I am compiling pidgin
23:03<hojda>coolman, I am debian beginner , almost linux b. too . . .
23:04<jmarsden>coolman: I *think* you might be looking for the package libxcb-screensaver0-dev . Compiling Pidgin seems unnecessary, it is already packaged.
23:04<adb>coolman, we told you to use debian
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23:12<johnfg>hi guys
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23:14<johnfg>I just installed arno-iptables-firewall, but need to open some more ports. I don't see it in any menu, do I need to configure it with a cli?
23:16<jmarsden>johnfg: How about trying man arno-iptables-firewall and reading the man page ?
23:19<coolman>jmarsden I need gtkspell , now
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23:20<jmarsden>coolman: OK, so install it... ?
23:22<coolman>I ignoring gtkspell,,, more I need GSTREAMER for sound
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23:23<SeAv>can someone help me with kernel issues.. namely how to install the latest kernel.. Very new to Debian
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23:23<coolman>This I can't ignore, GSTREAMER for sound
23:24<puff>oin #web
23:24<coolman>jmarden: Look this ....checking for GSTREAMER... no
23:24<coolman>configure: error:
23:24<coolman>GStreamer development headers not found.
23:24<coolman>Use --disable-gstreamer if you do not need GStreamer (sound) support.
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23:26<coolman>you look?
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23:27<johnfg>jmarsden, OK, thanks, just did the dpkg reconfigure and got it taken care of.
23:27<coolman>jmarsden: Looked I writing
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23:30<coolman>jmarsden: What this is it gtkspell.....What him make?
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23:30<jmarsden>coolman: apt-cache search gtkspell will tell you.
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23:49<Lillymon>I just got fsck exit with a code 8 error. This has happened once before, back on Kubuntu. I ended up forcing another filesystem check after reboot, which found no errors. I've also had no filesystem problems that I can see. What does this error code mean?
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23:52<Lillymon>Back then, I put it down to a one-off thing. The fact that it's back got me slightly worried.
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23:53<jmarsden>Lillymon: man e2fsck and read the EXIT CODES section ... it means "8 - Operational error" apparently.... whatever that is :)
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23:54<Lillymon>Yeah, I went to the manpage immediately. It's not espectially descriptive.
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23:55<jmarsden>Agreed. You'll probably have to apt-get source e2fsprogs and dig to find the full answer, I'm afraid.
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23:57<Lillymon>Brilliant. Well the last time I did this I instead took the route of forcing a second check of all filesystems on the next boot. Then, as is my way, I totally forgot the command. I'm pretty sure I used touch, but don't remember how.
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