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---Logopened Fri Dec 04 00:00:14 2009
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00:00<Lillymon>Also, I now have to issue "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0" to get any sound when I reboot. This seems to have started happening after I edited one of ALSA's config files to make my sound card device 0 and webcam device 1. It seems ALSA is pissy that I'm making it do things right.
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00:02<Lillymon>I generally like this new setup though, because it has the advantage of the default sound output device not being a microphone. But the resets are annoying.
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00:13<jmarsden>Lillymon: Probably sudo touch /forcefsck # will cause the fsck at reboot you are looking for.
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00:20<user0430>is there any repo or something that hosts precompiled bzimage,zimage,vmlinuz kernel binaries?
00:22<hojda>Is there many ways how to fix openGL??
00:23<jmarsden>user0430: Yes, the official Debian repositories contain precompiled kernels... as .deb packages. Use them. Those packages generally have names starting with linux-image-
00:23<jmarsden>hojda: Is OpenGL really broken in Debian? And if it is, did you file a bug in the Debian BTS about it?
00:24<user0430>is there a standard path to get to the same files on different repos?
00:24<jmarsden>user0430: Maybe... but using aptitude or apt-get avoids the need to know the details...
00:25<hojda>jmarsden, I dont think it is broken, if you see the screenshot It is just unusual and screensavers are not fluent
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00:28<hojda>it seem to be installed, but GNOME does not know it.... :(
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00:31<jmarsden>hojda: You're using a 3rd party (nVidia) driver... that's not part of Debian as far as I know. If OpenGL is not broken, why did you ask "Is there many ways how to fix openGL??" ... earlier. If it is not broken, there is no need to fix it. Lastly, see for info how now to install nVidia drivers "the Debian way".
00:33<hojda>My all time problem is - unable to open this page :((
00:33<Lillymon>Well your connection isn't down, we know that at least.
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00:37<hojda>Lillymon, DNS is working also .. ....
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00:38<jmarsden>hojda: Can you see the copy of it I just made at ?
00:39<hojda>jmarsden, Thank you very much!
00:39<jmarsden>No problem.
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00:44<Kevka>So, this might be an issue, might not I installed 5.0.3 on my PowerPC and booted it up, and was expecting a graphical interface, not the black screen with the user@computername: prompt. Was this a poor assumption on my part or are there some more steps to get me to a nice graphical desktop?
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00:45<MayskiyJuk>Kevka: have you installed X?
00:46<Kevka>I don't know what you're talking about, so I assume not.
00:48<MayskiyJuk>did you selected graphical envirenment or installed just base system?
00:49<Kevka>I installed debian-503-powerpc-CD-1.iso from, after burning it to a disc. I don't remember seeing an option for graphical environment during the installation.
00:51<sney>it would have been labeled something like "desktop environment"
00:51<Kevka>I honestly don't remember it, but I don't have a problem running the install again.
00:51<sney>but anyway, apt will install whatever graphical environment you want
00:52<sney>I think lxde is pretty nice. aptitude install lxde
00:52<sney>there are several other options as well
00:52<MayskiyJuk>apt-get install gnome for gnome DE
00:53<MayskiyJuk>may be you'll be able to install xserver-xorg package if it isn't installed yet
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00:55<Kevka>All right, thanks.
00:56<MayskiyJuk>Kevka: something like that menu item:
00:57<Kevka>When mine popped up my only available options were Mail Server and Standard System.
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01:21<eagle>hello, I want to get debian kenel 2.6.26-xen. But I dont known how to get it. anyone help?
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01:24<kop>eagle: Have you tried using 'aptitude search'?
01:25<eagle>not yet. Could I get it directly?
01:26<eagle>I want the src code
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01:29<kop>eagle: Once you find the package name use: apt-get source foo (in an empty directory)
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01:32<eagle>en. I could only get the src code by apt, not download it directly with wget
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02:00<manu>Emley :D
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02:23<hojda>Is it even possible to install nvidia 173 openGL or 3D rendering?----look
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02:29<chealer_>hojda: yes
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02:30<hojda>chealer, it is a few days I do it..........
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02:31<hojda>chealer, so, you know the way ?
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02:36<hojda>chealer, you here ?
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02:39<chealer>hojda: which Debian suite do you use?
02:40<hojda>chealer, did I answered good ?
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02:43<chealer>hojda: yes
02:43<chealer>!tell hojda about ngd
02:43<chealer>hojda: follow that guide (you want to install the current drivers version)
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02:44<hojda>chealer, anyone suceed or tryed ?
02:45<hojda>chealer, I mean----- or read
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02:45<chealer>hojda: hum, people did succeed to install version 173, yes
02:46<hojda>chealer, :)
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02:56<hojda>chealer, I guess ppl who succeed had not my linux kernel number.... :)))
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03:04<hojda>where can I see my xorg version ?
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03:07<chealer>hojda: in your package manager
03:07<hojda>chealer, What a great idea ! :)
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03:20<inkbottle>Hi, I'm looking for a web-site, for convenient online browsing of debian packages source code; I'm sure I've found that once...
03:21<inkbottle>I've been too fast:, this should do it
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03:33<Lillymon>Right. I've upgraded Amarok to 2.2.1, and now it's completely broken. I start it, it asks for my KDE wallet password, I give it to Amarok, then nothing. htop is my only indication that it's doing ANYTHING, and that indicates that amarokcollectionscanner takes up a lot of CPU time. After which, nothing again.
03:34<Lillymon>If this behaviour is intended, then Amarok has fallen even further than I thought. I'm happy for it to scan my collection, but it'd be nice to have an indication that it's not just quit. It'd also be nice to be able to have the interface, so I can play music with it.
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03:35<Lillymon>On the command line, Amarok outputs what looks like a few thousand of "QObject::setParent: Cannot set parent, new parent is in a different thread".
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03:36<Lillymon>Now it's gone again. amarokcollectionscanner works for a while, then nothing even related to Amarok is in my process list. It just vanishes.
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03:44<ZeZu>Lillymon, that is very weird, only advice i can give, is try running it with gksu or remove and reinstall older version
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03:50<Lillymon>Well #amarok said it's a "known issue", apparently.
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04:03<Lillymon>Brilliant. The backtrace shows no less than 2987 instances of "QObject::setParent: Cannot set parent, new parent is in a different thread". Whatever that means, Amarok is triggering it CONSTANTLY.
04:03<Lillymon>Is it relevant to my problem? Not a clue.
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04:09<flixh>I'm running sshguard and let it listen to auth messages with a fifo. Unfortunately the daily restart of rsyslog also kills sshguard, any ideas how to avoid this?
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05:01<satanus>there is a way to get root permission in cli without sudo... anyone know it?
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05:06<satanus>petemc, it was a long string like root something... something
05:06<satanus>i should have wrote it down!
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05:31<mahmoud>when i start fusion-icon X restarts
05:31<mahmoud>what should i do
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05:35<locklace>don't start fusion-icon
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05:36<petemc>satanus: im not aware of any such thing
05:36<mahmoud>locklace, how i am gonna use compiz-fusion?
05:37<jmm>satanus: tell us more about your problem.
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05:39<satanus>jmm, well i'm trying to make a menu entry in awesome window manager... the prog is a terminal prog... and need root permission to run... (actually to access eth0), there was a command that allowed you to get the root permission without using sudo in line with running the command
05:40<satanus>jmm, but i cannot remember it now...
05:40<satanus>it was something root...
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05:40<mahmoud>i wanna use compiz , how to start it
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05:41<jmm>satanus: can't you just use 'su' as suggested before ?
05:41<satanus>jmm, that would defeat the use of having a menu entry...
05:41<jmm>( btw great choice awesome rocks big time ).
05:41<satanus>yeah it does ;)
05:42<jmm>umm if you just need to run a command as root, then 'su' is fine.
05:42<jmm>otherwise if sudo is lacking, you can still logout as user, and login as root.
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05:42<satanus>jmm, hmm i never tried that...
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05:43<satanus>jmm, yes issuing the command with us gives: Unknown id: aptitude ;)
05:44<satanus>jmm, that is issuing su aptitude
05:44<jmm>what about su -c aptitude
05:45<satanus>jmm, yes that worked...
05:45<satanus>jmm, thank you
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05:57<satanus>man i tell ya... testing sure has gotten a lot of progs this year... its crazy... i don't remember that many added to lenny when it was testing...
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05:57<satanus>don't get me wrong... i love the fact that we get new progs ;)
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06:03<jmm>satanus: umm I still fear a bit to use unstable or testing :\
06:03<jmm>and awesome3 is not in stable !
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06:04<slicer>Is there a standard or recommended directory under which to place perl handlers for use with apache2 and modperl? Normal files sort of go in /var/www, cgis in /usr/lib/cgi-bin .. but I can't find a directory for perlmods that feels natural.
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06:07<babilen>!tell jmm -about ssb
06:08<babilen>jmm: No need to run testing/unstable ^^^
06:08<MayskiyJuk>hi all
06:09<jmm>heh nice informations you sent me babilen !
06:09<babilen>jmm: also: don't upgrade to sid unless you are happy with fixing all the bugs *yourself* ;-)
06:09<babilen>jmm: yeah, just read your comment on awesome3 and wanted to give you this factoid ...
06:10<jmm>it's nice, I'm gonna remove stupid gnome if it works !
06:10<babilen>it is not in the backports, so you have to compile it yourself.
06:10<babilen>judd: versions awesome
06:10<judd>babilen: awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3.3-1 squeeze: 3.4-1 sid: 3.4.2-2
06:10<jmm>umm so I should take the squeeze one ?
06:12<babilen>jmm: Both should be fine if you don't need dependencies ... But just try it and come back if you need advise. Like "Should I really install sid's libc6 to get awesome running? --> NO" and so on :-D
06:12<jmm>ahaha roger that.
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06:14<babilen>jmm: Just checked. You will have no luck with awesome3. It uses the XCB X library instead of XLib ...
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06:14<jmm>I can't install libxcb ?
06:14<jmm>I guess so, awesome2.x is avalaible for lenny.
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06:15<babilen>jmm: IIRC you will need the versions in squeeze/sid and they might just pull in a plethora of other dependencies. Sorry ...
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06:15<babilen>jmm: Might I suggest taking a look at: wmii, xmonad, dwm, i3 ?
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06:16<jmm>oh I just like awesome :)
06:16<babilen>jmm: Especially dwm should be interesting for you. It is the WM awesome forked. Can you read C?
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06:17<babilen>jmm: Have a look it might just be what you want. But if you want to stay with awesome (perfectly fine with me) you have to wait until squeeze becomes stable.
06:17<jmm>I guess I'll do so.
06:18<jmm>but still thanks for the informations.
06:18<babilen>... or upgrade to _testing_ ...
06:18<babilen>jmm: np
06:18<jmm>It's my work computer, I try to keep the same version as on the company's servers.
06:19<babilen>jmm: Oh yeah, then don't upgrade. Also don't do it if you are not comfortable with doing so.
06:19<babilen>jmm: alright ... have a nice day
06:19<jmm>I'm fine with debian upgrade, I always had more troubles when downgrade was needed.
06:20<babilen>jmm: downgrade is *not* supported at all ... There might be a way to go from sid->testing (when they are still close) but [a-z]* -->stable is not possible.
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06:23<satanus>jmm, testing rocks! though there are at time problems... it's still rocking...
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06:24<jmm>in others situation I'd have used testing.
06:25<babilen>.. but not on a company/work system ;-)
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06:26<jmm>that right.
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06:28<Qis>hi all, i'm having some trouble with generating a valid ssl certificate using openssl 0.9.8e-4. every key i generate is on the openssl-blacklist... even though it should be fixed since 0.9.8c-4etch3
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06:31<babilen>judd: versions openssl
06:31<judd>babilen: openssl -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny5 squeeze: 0.9.8k-6 sid: 0.9.8k-7
06:31<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to put your Lenny upgrade plans into action, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
06:31<babilen>Qis: Can you paste the error?
06:32<babilen>Qis: But I am afk for a while ... try #debian@freenode if you don't get help here. bbl
06:32<Qis>but there's no error really
06:32<Qis>it's just that my keys are blacklisted
06:33<babilen>Qis: Ah, I thought the creation failed with something like "You just created a blacklisted key, let it bitrot, go out and take your girlfriend to the movies"
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06:34<Qis>hehe, no... i'm just checking if it's blacklisted myself
06:37<babilen>Qis: Ok .. I am not sure. But why not upgrade to lenny? You'll have security support for etch until February ...
06:37<babilen>Qis: or we can debug this later ... bye
06:37<Qis>I'm planing on upgrading to lenny before jan
06:38<Qis>but i need a certificate now and my ca won't sign it if it's blacklisted
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06:40<tiburon>someone expert in native ipv6?
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06:44<zobel>tiburon: better: ask your question, not a meta-question...
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06:54<satanus>jmm, you remember i had that question on how to get root permission without sudo?
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06:55<satanus>jmm, the answer was: su-to-root -X -c <command>
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06:58<tiburon>i have this notice on /var/log/messages
06:58<tiburon>Dec 4 12:32:18 ER-20025 kernel: eth0: IPv6 duplicate address detected!
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06:58<tiburon>but making ifconfig I don't see any duplicate
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07:58<hojda>how to use log webpage? address ?
07:58<hojda>I forgot :)
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07:58<petemc>to use what?
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08:00<dpkg>Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/
08:00<dpkg>somebody said link was down error 404 :(
08:00<dpkg>web is probably the programming language used to write tex with
08:01<hojda>!system log
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08:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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08:03<hojda>nVidia installed OK -- what is that I/O error ---3D is dead
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08:10<diggy>does somebody knows why slim use more than 50% of cpu after login?
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08:18<gernot>Hello. What could be the reason that I can't get sshd to not autostart. I tried sysv-rc-conf as well as update-rc.d to disable/remove it. Yet it's running again after a reboot.
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08:44<marga>I just had a VERY weird problem with NFS. It's very very weird, I'll try to describe it the best I can, maybe someone with experience with NFS can help me out figure what's going on.
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08:45<marga>In my company we still have mostly Etch installations. Our NFS file server runs etch, most desktops run etch, and most thin-client servers run etch. But, there's a thin-client server that runs lenny.
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08:47<marga>What happened today was: 1) statd segfaulted in the NFS server. 2) After that nothing worked in all the stations. When we found that statd had died, we restarted it, but it solved nothing. 3) The lenny thin-client server had a load avg of 43.00, after trying to find out what was going on for a while, we rebooted it. Nothing changed, and after 15 minutes, the load was already that high. 4) After many attempts, we tried unloading the firewall of that thin-clie
08:47<marga>nt server, and everything went magically back to normal.
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08:52<marga>There are several errors in the logs, but we have googled them with little success.
08:53<marga>So, my question is, does anybody know what could be going on that suddenly a computer raises its load to 43.00, and it hogs the whole NFS network until its firewall is brought down?
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09:02<peej>if you have root, what is the best way to know a daemon is running? Sure, you can grep, but is there a status toggle anywhere? Maybe like /var/run/*.pid ? I'm trying to figure out the One True Way to check if openntpd is listening on my box.
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09:03<Titan8990>peej, ps aux | grep <daemon>
09:03<Lethalman>peej, the true way is ps ax|grep ...
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09:03<jmm>ps show the status of the process.
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09:03<Titan8990>peej, or netstat -l | grep <port that openntpd listens>
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09:03<cotoi>hy all
09:03<jmm>hi cotoi .
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09:03<Lethalman>peej, the *.pid stuff is for killing the process the good way not for checking it's running
09:04<maks>lovely cups is printing out an Error page with "Error Name: /undefined, Offending Command: 0a, Operand Stack: -mark-"
09:04<cotoi>i can get some help from somenone of you?
09:04<cotoi>with debian
09:04<maks>how can i tell cups to behave properly
09:04<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:04<maks>and print instead of doing such bullshit
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09:04<dr|z3d>maks: Got a good ppd def for your printer?
09:04<cotoi>i dont now how to set date and time on debian
09:05<Titan8990>!set time
09:05<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
09:05<maks>dr|z3d: happens on different printers
09:05<dr|z3d>cotoi: If you're using Gnome, try double clicking the clock on your panel.
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09:05<maks>dr|z3d: but that might be the trouble.
09:05<dr|z3d>maks: You got foomatic stuff installed also?
09:06<dr|z3d>cotoi: aptitude install ntpdate
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09:07<dr|z3d>cotoi: That should automagically ensure your clock is synced.
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09:08<reto2>Hi everyone. Thought maybe someone has an idea here about my strange problem: I installed AVG free antivirus in Debian lenny (5) via the official .deb. The executables are in "/opt/avg/avg8/bin/". I can "ls" and "cat" them, but when I try to execute them I get: "-bash: /opt/avg/avg8/bin/avgctl: No such file or directory". I even "scp"ed them to another machine and back - on the other machine they run (also debian 5)..
09:08<Titan8990>dr|z3d, uhh, only to an extent. most users will want ntp instead of ntpdate
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09:08<dr|z3d>Titan8990: Ok, noted.
09:08<maks>dr|z3d: seems have latest ppd according to diff with openprinting one
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09:09<maks>troubles occures when boxes that print from are >= squeeze
09:09<dr|z3d>maks: Hmm.. have you googled for issues regarding your printer in Debian?
09:09<maks>printer server is running stable
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09:10<Cadmium01>Is there a gtk application which I can use for enabling disabling startup options?
09:10<maks>on top i see pdftops going nuts
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09:11<Cadmium01>I'm using Gnome
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09:12<marga>Cadmium01: what kind of startup options?
09:12<maks>lookin at strace
09:13<Cadmium01>there are a lot of services being started when I reboot, I'd like to be able to start them manually, for example "cups" what is that? I have apache and mysql but dont always need it on, and maybe others that I dont know abot that come by default in Debian
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09:13<Cadmium01>marga, ^
09:13<marga>Cadmium01: cups is the printing program.
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09:13<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: aptitude install bum
09:13<Cadmium01>marga, I dont need it, have no printer
09:13<dr|z3d>(Bootup Manager).
09:14<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, ok will try that, thanks mate
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09:14<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: That handles your service daemons.. Gnome's startup options will configure user apps running at startup.
09:14<maks>strace sees no error on the pdftops process
09:14<Titan8990>Cadmium01, update-rc.d <program to remove from startup> remove -f
09:15<maks>not that it looks pretty, endless loops of gettimeofday
09:15<Cadmium01>Titan8990, I wanted a gui one, bum sems to be it. thanks though
09:15<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, ok, sounds good
09:15<Titan8990>Cadmium01, but just as a "newb" warning there are daemons that you do not want to kill from startup or you window manager will not work
09:15<Titan8990>Cadmium01, specifically dbus and hal
09:16<Cadmium01>Titan8990, ok, I'll be sure to ask first :)
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09:17<maks>page_log stupidly logs a nr of pages that has been printed
09:17<maks>which is not true
09:18<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, Titan8990 I probably dont need exim4, do I?
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09:18<Titan8990>Cadmium01, no, but every system should have an MTA
09:19<Titan8990>Cadmium01, replace it with ssmtp or nullmailer
09:19<Cadmium01>Titan8990, what's the point if I dont send mail from local machine?
09:19<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: exim4? Probably not.
09:20<Titan8990>Cadmium01, its not needed for you to send mail. its needed for the system to send mail
09:20<dr|z3d>Right.. system mails to root use the system mailer.
09:20<maks>dr|z3d: found culprit it's definetly evince
09:20<Cadmium01>I see
09:20<maks>not that it makes look cups better
09:20<maks>bot are piece of something
09:21*maks mumbles dark incarnations
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09:23<hojda>Does anyone know to install nvidia 3D accel. is only need the (173).run file ? Does it need other packages ? I have read all help I could... it is 4day now........B
09:23<cotoi>can you explayn me step by step how to update my date and time on debian?
09:23<Cadmium01>cotoi, use date command
09:23<Titan8990>hojda, you need to do it the debian way, following debian documentation
09:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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09:24<Cadmium01>cotoi, read "man date"
09:24<cotoi>from where?
09:24<hojda>cotoi, :-D GOOD :))
09:24<Titan8990>!set time
09:24<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
09:24<Cadmium01>cotoi, from terminal
09:24<Cadmium01>cotoi, Applications>>accessories>>terminal
09:24<Cadmium01>type man date in it and read
09:24<cotoi>i'm on terminal
09:25<jmm>man man :)
09:25<cotoi>but it tells me i should try date-helo
09:25<cotoi>but it tells me i should try date-help
09:25<Cadmium01>try date --help
09:25<hojda>Titan8990, I can not install gcc4.1 because it says there is 4.3 .... ?
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09:26<Titan8990>hojda, pastebin your error
09:26<Cadmium01>cotoi, almost all commands and programs have --help option that shows basic usage information
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09:27<cotoi>i see it now but i don't now how to use is a big list with manny things
09:27<hojda>Titan8990, I will uninstall everything nvidia, and start debian way :)
09:27<dr|z3d>cotoi: Try reading the list, and working out which switches ( -something) you need.
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09:28<Titan8990>!set time
09:28<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
09:29<reto2>Hm still don get it :/ "ls -al /opt/avg/avg8/bin/avgctl" -> "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 971K 2009-11-25 00:41 avgctl". But when I try to execute it: "strace /opt/avg/avg8/bin/avgctl", I get: - Any ideas?
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09:29<Arakte>hey guys n' girls, my first message :P
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09:32<Titan8990>reto2, don't use proprietary applications from non-debian repos?
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09:33<reto2>I would love to do that - but have read at different places that clamAV has a bad detection rate, and AVG was better and still free...
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09:34<reto2>I actually just found the reason... The .deb is only for i386, and I have amd64. Installing "ia32-libs" helped :)
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09:35<Titan8990>reto2, is this a fileserver scanning for windows viruses?
09:35<Guest115>is it typically not recommended to add my primary user account to the sudoers list?
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09:36<reto2>No, a linux webserver. I just found a backdoor php script ("DooD script") on it, and wanted to scan the whole server for stuff like that..
09:36<Titan8990>Guest115, if you want to use sudo, sure
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09:37<Titan8990>reto2, that may not be the best way to approach that problem
09:37<reto2>Hm, what would you recommend?
09:37<Titan8990>reto2, those virus scanners mostly scan for windows malware. That script should have never made it onto your server in the first place
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09:37<Titan8990>reto2, i recommend attempting to fill whatever hole that allowed them to inject a file into your webserver
09:39<Guest115>is sudo a secure way to temporarily elevate non-admins? or am I exposing myself to any likely security risks by allowing the primary account as a sudoer?
09:39<reto2>I agree fully. The trojan script came from an other server (migration) some months ago.. But I'll try to figure out how.. Anyway I tried a meta-virus-scanner-service ( and AVG was the only one which detected a virus (probably heuristics..).
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09:46<hojda>Titan8990, Shall I uninstall xserver-xorg-input(and video)-all packabe, because of nvidia ?
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09:49<Titan8990>hojda, no
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09:50<Titan8990>hojda, when you run nvidia-xconfig that will configure xserver to use only the nvidia driver
09:51<hojda>I uninstalled it before. is this the problem for nV ?
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09:52<hojda>Titan8990, !((uninst))
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10:00<greedo>I'm running Debian 5 and while installing gcc_4.3.2-2_amd64.deb, I get get an error messages saying depends on cpp>=4:3.2.2-2
10:00<Titan8990>hojda, not sure i understand the question
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10:00<Titan8990>judd, versions gcc
10:00<judd>Titan8990: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.4-1 squeeze: 4:4.3.4-1
10:01<greedo>i installed cpp-4.3.2-1.1
10:01<Titan8990>greedo, pastebin the full error and /etc/apt/sources.list
10:02<greedo>I do not have a ethernet connection yet established for the server
10:02<hojda>Titan8990, I have uninstalled xserver-xorg-input(and video)-all package, nVidia does not care about it ? Will work ?
10:02<greedo>I need to build the ethernet driver
10:02<Titan8990>greedo, what driver?
10:03<Titan8990>hojda, no, but it was unnecessary \
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10:03<greedo>Titan8990: e1000-8.0.18
10:04<Titan8990>greedo, that driver is stock in debian
10:04<Titan8990>its pretty common
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10:04<Titan8990>pc-tesla linux-2.6-2.6.26 # grep E1000 /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686
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10:04<gsimmons>greedo: As mentioned previously, you can alternatively install a backported kernel image package (/msg dpkg bpo), as the igb driver in mainline kernels supports 82576-based devices (such as yours) since 2.6.27.
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10:05<hojda>Titan8990, Debian 5 has a stock kernel ?
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10:05<greedo>gsimmons: I'm running 2.6.26
10:05<Titan8990>hojda, the default kernel is .26
10:06<hojda>Titan8990, I know, but why are they talking about ? :)
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10:06<Titan8990>hojda, ethernet drivers inside the kernel. looks like they are there but gsimmons' seems to indicate it didn't support all the cards at the time
10:07<Titan8990>greedo, if the above ^ is the case, install the backports kernel
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10:07<hojda>Titan8990, I read I need to know if I have stock kernel or not... where do I see ?
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10:09<Titan8990>hojda, uname -r
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10:10<greedo>Titan8990: how could I do that
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10:10<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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10:11<Titan8990>greedo, you would need to manually fetch the kernel package since you don't have a net connection
10:11<hojda>Titan8990, No "stock" information presented.
10:11<Titan8990>greedo, but in the future, you could have just used the kmuto installer
10:11<Titan8990>hojda, stock was in no way an official term... i just made it up to refer to the default kernel with is
10:11<Titan8990>err 2.6.26
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10:12<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
10:12<hojda>Titan8990, This gives me inf. that I have it. Th. for hlp :))
10:13<greedo>Titan8990: should I go with 0627 or 0302
10:14<Titan8990>greedo, kmuto is only for the initial installation of the OS
10:14<Titan8990>greedo, not something you install after the box is up and running
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10:15<greedo>Titan8990: I'm considering a fresh install at this point
10:16<Titan8990>greedo, what happends if you modprobe the driver now? do get an ethx device?
10:16<greedo>modprode ...
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10:16<hojda>Titan8990, there is an err. --Building of package nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 failured. --How to continue ? :See log / ignore-continue / stop
10:17<hojda>Titan8990, After this:- m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686
10:18<Titan8990>hojda, alright, let me see that log
10:18<Titan8990>greedo, what?
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10:19<Titan8990>hojda, oh, thats not right
10:19<Titan8990>hojda, your trying to compile a binary....
10:19<greedo>Titan8990: how would I modprode that?
10:19<Titan8990>hojda, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
10:19<Titan8990>greedo, modprobe e1000
10:20<babilen>isn't that just m-a a-i nvidia?
10:20<babilen>!nvidia m-a
10:20<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
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10:21<Titan8990>babilen, not according the official guide, no
10:21<hojda>Titan8990, Did you write nvidia-kernel on the web page ? :)
10:21<Titan8990>official guide does m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
10:21<babilen>alright ... the factoid needs to be fixed then :-\
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10:22*babilen goes back to work ...
10:22<Titan8990>greedo, any luck with loading the driver?
10:22<Titan8990>hojda, no
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10:25<greedo>Titan8990: [3048.165772] Intel (R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.20-1.2 NAPI
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10:26<Titan8990>greedo, yeah, e1000 is the driver... did loading it create the device?
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10:26<gsimmons>Titan8990, greedo: Wrong driver. igb is the one supporting PCI-ID 8086:10e6.
10:27<hojda>Titan8990, this seems not to be right----m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source-173.14.09-5
10:27<greedo>gsimmons: so I may need the backports?
10:27<Titan8990>hojda, `m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source`
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10:28<Titan8990>greedo, did loading it create the device?
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10:28<gsimmons>greedo: You need Linux 2.6.27 or later - either via backports or use of the kmuto image - for support of your Gigabit EF Dual Port Server Adapter.
10:29<greedo>Titan8990: negative
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10:29<themill>Titan8990, babilen: the factoid is correct, m-a automagically translates nvidia to nvidia-kernel-source. If you want legacy etc then you need to specify that.
10:30<Titan8990>themill, ah, i didn't see a package named nvidia so I didn't know it was right
10:30<babilen>themill: alright. I was just wondering if advocating that method is the right way. (I don't have a nvidia card) thanks for clarifying
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10:31<hojda>Titan8990, Err msg:-Installation if package failured ----ignoring this package.You may need to add something to your sources.list, ex: archive contrib and non-free
10:31<hojda>Titan8990, ---"if" not, but it belongs "of"
10:31<Titan8990>hojda, do you have non-free and contrib in your sources?
10:32<hojda>Titan8990, I do not really know, and how to look ?
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10:32<Titan8990>hojda, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
10:32<Titan8990>!non-free sources
10:32<dpkg>i guess non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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10:34<hojda>Titan8990, when the err window close, terminal says one package info actualized
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10:34<hojda>Titan8990, It seems I have non free:---deb lenny main non-free contrib
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10:35<Titan8990>hojda, do `aptitude update` then try again
10:35<Titan8990>hojda, if it fails again I have to see that full log
10:35<themill>Titan8990, babilen: yeah.. m-a does some interesting looking around to try to find the correct package name for you (see line 618)
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10:36<hojda>Titan8990, wow, it works!!)
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10:37<Titan8990>themill, line 618 of the m-a perl script I'm guessing?
10:37<themill>err, yes
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10:39<babilen>themill: ah! great .. so it checks for '-driver', '-module', '-kernel', '-source' and '-src' as well. Good to know.
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11:01<acu>is KDE still broken in squeeze ?
11:02<Titan8990>ask #debian-kde
11:04<greedo>gsimmons: thx, that solved the problem
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11:08<Titan8990>greedo, installing backports kernel?
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11:13<hojda>Titan8990, I do not like to say, but I can not install gcc-4.1 for nVidia, because it wants to keep and install 4.3 , it seems I can not compile nv kernel.. ?
11:14<hojda>Titan8990, (maybe "compile" is not the right word.... :) )
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11:14<Titan8990>hojda, i need to see the full log
11:14<Titan8990>hojda, did you aptitude install build-essential?
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11:15<Titan8990>i mean... it shouldn't require 4.1
11:15<hojda>Titan8990, No, what time is it in installation?
11:15<Titan8990>hojda, time?
11:16<hojda>Titan8990, it is not sayd to install build-essential if I am correct. ?
11:16<hojda>Titan8990, in web page
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11:16<soul9>anyone know of an official debian xen document
11:16<Titan8990>hojda, no, it doesn't
11:16<dpkg>from memory, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support. For detailed help, see . #debian-xen on See also <virtualization>.
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11:17<hojda>Titan8990, I will do all you say me :)
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11:19<hojda>Titan8990, The problem I think: nvidia wants gcc4.1, my system has 4.3 , but I will do it and see the log
11:19<soul9>Titan8990: thank ya
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11:29<hojda>Titan8990, Does it matter if nvidia-glx is installed before (sooner)
11:29<hojda>Titan8990, ?
11:30<Titan8990>hojda, no, doesn't matter
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11:48<hojda>Titan8990, It seems to be done, but it looks wired //look -/A almost does not feel I have installed vga. Are there any other way to see if I have installed nVidia ??
11:49<Titan8990>hojda, did you run nvidia-xconfig prior to starting the graphics?
11:49<hojda>Titan8990, The windows are not smooth
11:49<hojda>Titan8990, I did not
11:49<hojda>Titan8990, When is the moment to do ?
11:50<soul9>anyone here familiar with consoles and tty (and perhaps xen) willing to ggive me a hint??
11:51<hojda>Titan8990, (Screesavers are not smooth) --nvidia-xconfig prior before gdm ?
11:51<soul9>the current setup work, but xen is making things more complicated than i can currently grasp
11:51<soul9>i ned tto have serial console acces
11:51<soul9>and perhaps vga
11:51<Titan8990>hojda, yeah, run nvidia-xconfig and then restart your desktop
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11:55<hojda>Titan8990, did you see the screenshot ?
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11:56<Titan8990>hojda, looks fine to me
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11:56<Titan8990>hojda, don't think I like that window decorator though hehe
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11:58<hojda>Titan8990, how could I test (try) my 3D grapfic ?? // (I do not know:) , I mean window dragging is not smooth.and the same screensavers are not)
11:59<ichdasich>hojda: fire up a game? nexuiz?
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12:00<hojda>Titan8990, anything that will proof that I have installed my graphic .......... :-D
12:00<Titan8990>hojda, glxgears is for testing 3d
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12:02<hojda>Titan8990, It works but..... XIO: fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server ":0.0"
12:02<sney>glxinfo |grep direct
12:02<sney>glxgears always quits on an error
12:03<hojda>glxgears-------1053FPS!!!! :-DDDDDDDD
12:03<sney>sounds like it's working
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12:12<uvok>I am using debian sid amd64. I want to run a OpenGL Windows application via wine which doesn't work. The App run under a 32bit Linux. So I configured a 32bit chroot and tried to run it there,
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12:12<uvok>It failed and said this:
12:12<uvok>I am using a nvidia graphics card, do I need additional packages?
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12:12<hojda>Titan8990, Thanks for help of today :) (Also help of the day ..:D)
12:12<uvok>glxgears fails with "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual""
12:13<uvok>(in the chroot)
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12:13<ese>hi, i have kind of broken x-conf. After reboot the gui login screen doesn't showup. but i can login from the shell. any idea
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12:28<Titan8990>hojda, anytime, good to hear you got it working
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12:29<hojda>Titan8990, eh :)) Why is youtube so scrooool
12:30<Titan8990>hojda, scrool?
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12:32<hojda>Titan8990, I mean, it is almost unable to play in full screen
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12:33<ese>hi, i have kind of broken x-confg. After reboot the gui login screen doesn't showup. but i can login from the shell. any idea
12:33<Titan8990>hojda, oh
12:34<Titan8990>hojda, did you install flash via the repos?
12:34<dr|z3d>ese: /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
12:34<dr|z3d>Does that do anything for you?
12:34<Titan8990>ese, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak && startx
12:34<hojda>Titan8990, I installed adobe flash 10 for ubuntu
12:34<Titan8990>hojda, never mix distros or branches
12:35<Titan8990>even for something trivial like flash
12:35<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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12:36<ese>titan8990: does this solve instead of typing startx after commandline login after my next reboot.
12:36<Titan8990>hojda, uninstall it, reverse the changes you made to sources.list if any, add backports to your sources and install flash from there
12:36<Titan8990>ese, is that the only problem? having to type startx?
12:37<amphi>could someone with an intel video card on testing try to reproduce a bug in stellarium? I get display corruption on the toolbars, see
12:37<hojda>Titan8990, Wanna see my (work) ? :)
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12:38<hojda>Titan8990, Uf, so I going to uninstall :))
12:38<Titan8990>hojda, hehe, nice
12:40<ese>Titan8990: well i at first booting it hangs at the konsole so it doesn't come automatically but if i press Alt+F2 and login to my account then type startx it works.
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12:41<Titan8990>ese, what are you using for a display managetr
12:41<ese>Titan8990: kde
12:41<Titan8990>ese, that would make your display manager KDM
12:41<Titan8990>ese, let me see /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:42<ese>Titan8990: certainly just a minute
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12:43<hojda>Titan8990, What is "install flash via the repos" ?
12:43<Titan8990>hojda, aptitude install it
12:44<Titan8990>hojda, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree once the correct repo is enabled
12:44<ese>Titan8990: so what lines shall i look for you want for attachment.
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12:45<ese>Titan8990: so what lines shall i look for or do you want for attachment.
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12:45<Titan8990>ese, just pastebin the whole file
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12:45<ThorJ>anyone know what may cause this ?
12:46<Aruna>Hello i am new to Debian i have installed Kubuntu on my Laptop can i install Debian as dual instalation ?
12:46<Aruna>Anyone help me.. i am new to Debian i have installed Kubuntu on my Laptop can i install Debian as dual instalation ?
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12:47<hojda>Titan8990, some err like unable to find "candidate" version
12:47<Titan8990>hojda, did you add backports to your sources
12:47<Aruna>Anyone help me ?
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12:48<hojda>Titan8990, dunno how, and do not remember where :)
12:48<Titan8990>ThorJ, bus error is usually a software bug for some kind
12:48<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
12:48<Titan8990>Aruna, #ubuntu on
12:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:49<hojda>wow, beautiful :))
12:49<ThorJ>Titan8990: strange thing is that i got several hdds attached but this is the only one acting up
12:50<Titan8990>ThorJ, i suppose it could also be a problem with the firmware of the drive
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12:51<ThorJ>Titan8990: it has been attached for over 6 months, but only recently started to act up :/
12:53<kop>ThorJ: If you want to be sure, run badblocks with -w (which will trash your data). It could also be power supply problems, especially if you've got several drives in the same box.
12:54<Aruna>i i need to create a CD i need to create a full dowload to create a installer ?
12:54<ThorJ>kop: I suppose i can try that, thanks
12:55<Aruna>Can i download only the OS and later update all my software Online ?
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12:57<Aruna>if i need to create a debian installer do i need to download all the CDs or DVDs ios files ?
12:57<hojda>Titan8990, Is there any more software sources I can add ?
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13:03<ese>Titan8990: have you read the xorg log
13:03<Titan8990>ese, sorry, i missed it, looking now
13:04<Titan8990>ese, did you want to use the open source nv drivers instead of nvidia?
13:05<ese>well i don't go that much into that kind because i just want my gui not that i depend in all the fancy support things
13:05<ese>Titan8990: do you think the problem arises from nvidia driver things?
13:06<Titan8990>ese, actually, no
13:06<Titan8990>ese, and there are no problems on the xserver side so it looks like your issue is going to be with kdm, which I don't know a lot about
13:06<hojda>Titan8990, Flash player works, could you tell me, where to get info for more ("deb" config lines) and info for modified software like you told me ?
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13:07<Titan8990>ese, I can point you to the right direction for nvidia drivers, but that is a seperate matter
13:07<Titan8990>hojda, well, there is only one more you don't have (and may not want)
13:07<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
13:08<hojda>Titan8990, I always want to go there where the sun is.... :) (sunshine)
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13:12<ese>Titan8990: well, appreciate for all your help, and i don't think my problem is from driver thins as i don't use nvidia things. Thanks for your time again.
13:13<Titan8990>ese, I recommend heading over to #debian-kde
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13:14<ese>Titan8990: thanks, that is very kind of you. i will do that thanks.
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13:17<hojda>Titan8990, I am usually interestend for more and more available software :))
13:17<hojda>Titan8990, this is even more nice than back then with windows... : )
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13:26<zeus>HI all, i'm tryng to config apache2. I've removed debian /etc/apache2/sistes-available/default acidentally. How can i restore? aptitude reinstall semms to not work. Any advice ?
13:26<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
13:26<valdyn>zeus: ^^
13:27<hojda>Titan8990, how would I discover, that there is possible to install adobeflash withouz manufacturer pages ?
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13:27<Titan8990>hojda, from now on, assume that you never have to go to a manufacturers website
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13:27<Titan8990>hojda, there are only a few select cases where you actually do
13:28<Titan8990>hojda, (google chrome, virtuabox, vmware)
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13:30<hojda>Titan8990, what about converting other packages system ? It should also mean more soft available
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13:31<Titan8990>hojda, you should never install packages from another distro/os or w/e.
13:31<Titan8990>hojda, I very rarely come across a case where I can't get what I need from debian repositories
13:31<Titan8990>hojda, if you ever need a newer package then is available, you can SSB from sid
13:31<jj_joey>anyone use backports ?
13:31<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
13:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
13:32<hojda>Titan8990, ok, good
13:32<hojda>Titan8990, I can not SSB :)
13:32<Titan8990>hojda, sure you can :)
13:32<hojda>Titan8990, :))))))))))))))))))))))) if you tell me :)))))))))))))))))))))
13:33<Titan8990>hojda, dpkg just did, scroll up a little
13:33<Titan8990>hojda, unfortunatly I haven't found any real documentation on it, so that really all there is
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13:39<zeus>valdyn: the forceconfmiss trick not work for me !
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13:39<hojda>Titan8990, I did not understand what to add :)
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13:40<valdyn>zeus: it works even for you
13:40<valdyn>zeus: just not if you reinstall the wrong package
13:40<zeus>valdyn: it's apache2
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13:42<uvok>I am using debian sid amd64. I want to run a OpenGL Windows application via wine which doesn't work. The App run under a 32bit Linux. So I configured a 32bit chroot and tried to run it there,
13:42<uvok>It failed and said this:
13:42<uvok>I am using a nvidia graphics card, do I need additional packages?
13:42<uvok>glxgears fails with "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" when running in the chroot
13:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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13:44<hojda>Titan8990, How could I install(find) non manufacturer adobe flash if I did not konw you ? Kpackage/DebSearchPack.etc. can show?
13:45<dr|z3d>hojda: apt-cache search flash |grep adobe
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13:45<zeus>valdyn, themill: Configuration file `/etc/apache2/sites-available/default', does not exist on system. Installing new config file as you request.
13:45<hojda>Titan8990, I assume that I would have that deb-line in fonfig file.
13:45<zeus>valdyn, themill: thank you !
13:45<Titan8990>hojda, hmm, there is a small section on the wiki for flash, that does explain its in backports
13:45<Titan8990>hojda, you could hop on IRC and use dpkg to give you information like this:
13:46<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
13:46<Titan8990>hojda, only you will want to /msg the bot
13:46<Titan8990>!adobe flash
13:46<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
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13:46<dpkg>[gnash] a GNU project to create a free software <Flash> player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. Ask me about <gnash_etch>.
13:46<Titan8990>hojda, yeah... you don't want gnash hehe
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13:47<uvok>dr|z3d, might work in my running environment, but I can't install the nvidia-driver in the chroot (m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source in the chroot says that I have installed the wrong kernel)
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13:48<hojda>Titan8990, So, this place is the place of knowing ....... :) :))
13:48<Titan8990>hojda, yes, and the wiki
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13:49<Titan8990>hojda, you will find that #debian on is a bit more active and popular even though this is the official channel
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14:01<chealer_>uvok: Windows-only applications aren't supported
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14:07<hojda>What does mean glxgears in stero ?
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14:08<hojda>..........and my couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered, Stereo visual
14:09<hojda>Why glgears goes by 1500 Fps and screensavers in 7-15 fps ? :)
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14:10<Gathond>because glx gears is just about the simplest 3d animation one can imaging?
14:10<Gathond>and the screensavers are usually rather complex
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14:11<Queue_Mr>sid broke again? i get a long list of udev errors/msgs and it wont finish booting.
14:11<BlackFate>hojda, try to maximize glxgears window and you'll see that fps are dropping
14:12<BlackFate>Queue_Mr, hpijs error i guess?
14:13<Queue_Mr>BlackFate. most were flying by for me to catch, but the last round of updates i saw a lot coming in for hilip
14:13<hojda>dropping to 250 in -f (full screen switch :) )
14:14<BlackFate>Queue_Mr, the rules changed.. it up to hpijs maintainer to fix that... as far as the boot hang is concerned, they already fixed that with udev 148-2
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14:14<hojda>BlackFate, Screen savers are 8 fps ! :-D!:(
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14:15<BlackFate>hojda, well its not the same animation
14:15<Queue_Mr>BlackFate, fixed as in hours ago? im stuck on my phone atm and need to chase down an open ap to fix it then i guess.
14:15<BlackFate>Queue_Mr, apt-cache policy udev
14:16<hojda>BlackFate, yes :)
14:16<Queue_Mr>BlackFate lol... If i could get sid to boot maybe.
14:16<BlackFate>Queue_Mr, you cant even boot? well the buged udev took most people about 3 mins to boot
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14:17<BlackFate>Queue_Mr, give it some time... or just boot in live cd and upgrade it in chrooted environment
14:18<Queue_Mr>BlackFate well maybe i havent left it long enough. i thought it was hung. after those msgs stopped flying by it looked to be sitting idol.
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14:18<Queue_Mr>ill have to go find an open ap for that.
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14:24<hojda>What is linux image viewer like acdsee8 ?
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14:24<amphi>no idea about acdsee8, but gthumb, gqview, feh are good
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14:25<dr|z3d>hojda: fspot also worth a look, perhaps.
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14:31<xTs>Hi. Is somebody in here who I can bother about blkid and why it doesn't give my my external harddrive an uuid?
14:33<Titan8990>xTs, does it have a partition on it? UUID is assigned to partitions, not drives
14:33<xTs>it does and it doesnt do the same thing for the partition on it
14:34<xTs>just exits with a 2
14:34<Titan8990>xTs, pastebin the output
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14:36<Titan8990>xTs, no idea on that one, sorry
14:37<xTs>well then... debugging fun then...
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14:38<Titan8990>i would start with strace
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14:42<xTs>Titan8990: strace is not very helpful here.
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14:43<xTs>and it would be nice to find a repository of blkid somewhere, because I know, it worked a while ago
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14:45<Titan8990>xTs, its in the e2fsprogs package, are you sure it doesn't only apply to linux filesystems?
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14:48<xTs>its in the util-linux package
14:48<TGP1994>Can someone direct me to the support channel?
14:49<TGP1994>Or will this work?
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14:49<Titan8990>xTs, uhh
14:49<Titan8990>xTs, what version of debian are you using?
14:50<Titan8990>pc-tesla grub # dpkg -L util-linux | grep blkid
14:50<Titan8990>pc-tesla grub # dpkg -L e2fsprogs | grep blkid
14:51<soul9>anyone here who knows iproute2 routing in linux who could help?
14:51<xTs>sid, what else? ;)
14:51<soul9>i have now set up a xen domU
14:51<soul9>and i'm trying to set up routed networking
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14:51<xTs>< dpkg -L util-linux | grep blkid
14:51<soul9>so, the guest has ip
14:52<TGP1994>Ok, I'll just describe my issue. So I'm building up a distro on my hd completely out of debian packages. I have LFS LiveCD, which is basically how I do all of the modifying that I need to. I've messed up the distro somehow where I cannot chroot into it. I was last installing some upgrade for glibc6, and then downloading linux-image-2.6.26-2-686. Any ideas anyone?
14:52<xTs>i guess it was put there, because uuids can be generated not just for ext filesystems
14:52<soul9>er... maybe i'm doing this wrong, just a sec..
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14:52<Titan8990>xTs, and your using which version of debian that is not lenny?
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14:54<xTs>Titan8990: I'm aware that I'm using sid for over ten years now. But if you wanna get a good stable version, you need some guinea pigs and thats what I'm doing here. Trying to figure out a bug and squash it, with a little help hopefully.
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14:55<dondelelcaro>xTs: you can try the version in lenny or squeeze
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14:56<damiank>anyone knows why is it possible that sound is not working anymore with amd64, but works with i686?
14:56<xTs>in squeeze is the same version as in sid
14:56<dondelelcaro>xTs: you may also find it on
14:56<xTs>and in lenny there's no blkid in util-linux... maybe thats the problem
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14:57<dondelelcaro>xTs: it's in e2fsprogs
14:58<xTs>already downloading the source
14:58<xTs>(uh, and sorry if I sound a bit pissed... wasn't the best week in my life)
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15:03<TGP1994>Is anyone going to help me -.-
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15:04<box02>hi, I have something to ask you, if I put teach yourself c in 24 hrs source code on Public Repo, what will happen to me?
15:04<themill>TGP1994: I doubt you'll have anyone interested in helping you with this... we already have debootstrap around for making this sort of setup
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15:05<TGP1994>deboot whaT?
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15:10<t>you cant do LFS and then come into #debian asking for help lol
15:10<t>it lacks sense
15:10<TGP1994>It's not based off of LFS though, it's a completely stripped down system.
15:11<TGP1994>I'm using LFS as a livecd to do modifying.
15:11<TGP1994>And anyways, LFS IS a stripped down system, so...
15:11<t>well the idea with LFS is that you'll know what everything does and what is needed for a system
15:11<t>i suggest you do some more learning
15:12<TGP1994>True... but like I said earlier, it was working just fine till those last two packages were installed.
15:12<t>and 2.6.26?
15:12<TGP1994>that and or this linux-image thing.
15:12<t>well everything probably broke
15:12<t>when you changed libc
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15:12<TGP1994>Doubt it, should be a simple fix.
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15:13<t>my bet is on libc
15:13<jmarsden>TGP1994: It probably is... put the correct libc back.
15:13<t>thats what i woudl do too
15:13<TGP1994>init what?
15:13<TGP1994>I can't chroot into it btw
15:13<t>init= isnt it the case
15:14<TGP1994>case of what? And how should I reinstall libc, just extract the package and overwrite?
15:14<t>your in over your head broheim
15:14<TGP1994>Still seems like an easy fix though :(
15:14<t>just be glad it isnt your mortage
15:15<t>fix libc you big nub
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15:15<TGP1994>Thanks you big jerk >.>
15:15<t>how many times do you have to be told
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15:15<t>how many peopl ehave to help you solve you rproblem before you do necessary research
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15:15<t>grow up
15:16<TGP1994>Chill out man, I was talking about the mortage thing.
15:16<dr|z3d>Calm down guys.. let's keep it friendly and on topic, please.
15:16<TGP1994>Thank you.
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15:21<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:21<TGP1994>dr|z3d, did you know itialian?
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15:22<dr|z3d>TGP1994: I was late to the game.. sfm looked like he needed Italian support, but by the time I noticed, he'd foxtrot oscared.
15:22<t>TGP1994, building LFS without knowing things like c and how libraries are linked, is like trying to build the pyramids without knowing stonecutting let alone crane & rigging
15:23<TGP1994>Ok, but like I said, I'm not necessarilly building it with the files included in LFS or it's guide, I'm only using it's LiveCD as an access to the HD.
15:23<t>whats wrong with debian?
15:23<t>i dont get what your trying to achieve
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15:25<TGP1994>Well, I can't chroot into it anymore, and when I try to boot from it, it asks me to login, but root does not work. Here's a picture of that:
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15:25<TGP1994>Ignore the cdlinux thing in the title, that has nothing to do with it.
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15:28<TGP1994>Lol... I would definetly love to get that imprinted on a coffee cup.
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15:29<dr|z3d>t: You seem to be doing more antagonizing than actual help.. perhaps hold back if you've nothing helpful to offer.
15:30<TGP1994>I remember a saying; "If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all."
15:30<TGP1994>Although he did ask for clarification.
15:30<t>youve been told by more than one person how to fix your problem
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15:31<TGP1994>And I'm doing it right now.
15:31<t>im done
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15:31<TGP1994>But then you went on to say init, then something about mortgage, which is what lost me.
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15:33<TGP1994>Chroot is working :D
15:33<TGP1994>Thankyou t and jmarsden.
15:34<TGP1994>t: Do they call you Mr.T?
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15:35<t>you're welcome
15:35<xTs>.oO( blkid: Uhm, this is weird... i ran blkid from lenny and then blkid from sid again... and now shows me the uuid? Something is very wrong here. Anyway, i dont care ;)
15:35<t>i suggest you look into c, linux application development, and libraries
15:35<t>for your own sake
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15:40<TGP1994>So can you describe to me the point of the linux-image package? Does it use it at boottime or somethin?
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15:42<Titan8990>TGP1994, its the linux kernel, so yes, its use at boot time
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15:43<jmarsden>TGP1994: apt-cache show linux-image-generic # will tell you some info about it. apt-cache show PACKAGENAME is worth using if you want to find out more about a package...
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16:07<Guest155>i have a pb
16:08<Guest155>who can help me please?
16:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:10<Guest155>i have debian 5 and i read gedit etc/apt/sources.list but i can't change sources
16:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:13<SalfaRomeaab>Guest155: Maybe you dont have permission to write /etc/apt/sources.list - try it as root
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16:16*Titan8990 has a feeling hes going to add something he souldn't to his sources
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16:17<Guest155>I 'am in root it's not the pb. i have a warring message who explain me "files not found"
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16:18<Guest155>when i want to save
16:18<Titan8990>Guest155, whats the output of `cat /etc/issue`?
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16:20<Guest155>i read cat /etc/issue i have this result Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
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16:26<Guest155>what is the pb?
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16:29<kop>Guest155: It is likely you (as a user, not root) do not have permissions to what (or the directory) you want to save.
16:30<kop>Guest155: If it can't find something, it could be it can't find it because you're not allowed to see it. Otherwise, we need more info. See below
16:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:32<Guest155>but how to see the files? and to change it i want to have news souces list please
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16:41<Guest155>anyone can help me?
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16:42<Guest155>when i write gedit etc/apt/sources.list i have the message (gedit:3951): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
16:43<Guest155>waht i can do?
16:44<jmarsden>Guest155: Use a non-GUI editor. nano, perhaps.
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16:46<Guest155>how i can save with nano?
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16:53<amphi>Guest155: control-o if I recall correctly
16:53<amphi>Guest155: it tells you at the bottom
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16:54<hojda>Hi, I installed 3D accel. nvidia, but gnome and screesaver does not know about it.... ? what can i do ? they have own drivers ?
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16:54<hojda>Games are OK
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16:55<Guest155>files don't found
16:56<dr|z3d>Guest155: Tried a reboot? If you have 3d accelerated drivers, Gnome _should_ happily use those.
16:56<Guest155>maybe it is not etc/apt/sources.list? a another place?
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16:58<hojda>dr|z3d, windows dragging is ugly and screensavers goes on 8-15 fps..
16:59<Jarlaxe>hi everyone. i have some problem after an upgrade. I run a lenny/sid 2.6.30 on a eeepc 701 (installed on sd card), with lxde as environnement. Since this last upgrade (i did safe-upgrade), sound doesn't function anymore, each 1st time after boot i lauch iceweasel, the session is restarting, vlc can not leave the systray, smplayer run videos on pause mode only, and many others staff ... anyone could help me ? my skills are kind
16:59<dr|z3d>hojda: checked xorg.conf? What driver is it using?
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16:59<hojda>dr|z3d, is it possible to check installed driversif there is no mystake?
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16:59<hojda>dr|z3d, ok
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17:01<dr|z3d>hojda: Feel free to pastebin your xorg.conf if it's not clear what driver you're using.. sounds like you're on fbdev.
17:02<dr|z3d>hojda: Also, re nano, all the keyboard accelerators are indicated at the bottom of the console.. eg Control (^) + O = Writeout = Save file.
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17:03<hojda>dr|z3d, I do not know what do you say in seccond message _)
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17:04<dr|z3d>hojda: save file in nano is control + o. it's written at the bottom of the nano console window. ^ = Control.
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17:06<dr|z3d>hojda: Well, your xorg.conf says you're using nvidia's driver. That looks ok.
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17:06<hojda>dr|z3d, I think I saw it :) but why do I need nano editor ?
17:07<dr|z3d>hojda: You don't, expressly. gedit is fine for your purpose, I think.
17:07<dr|z3d>nano's useful when you're editing in console.
17:08<hojda>I use mc :)
17:09<hojda>like an M602-lovely
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17:10<Jarlaxe>i use mc too. quiet convinient !
17:10<dr|z3d>Whatever suits, hojda :)
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17:12<hojda_>:))) , gnome moving tool is the same like I have no driver, but games are ok
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17:12<dr|z3d>hojda: See if enabling the compositing manager in gnome works, perhaps.
17:13<dr|z3d>(assuming it's not already)
17:13<hojda>dr|z3d, what is the name of program ?
17:13<dr|z3d>Also, google for example xorg.conf's for your card.. there might be additional tweaks you need to perform to get it working as it should.
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17:14<hojda>thanks for great idea ! :)
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17:17<dr|z3d>hojda: I forget how you turn on the compositing engine in Gnome; I'm on Xfce, which you might enjoy if you like Gnome.
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17:24<satanus>is there anything a user can do to get the status of a bug changed from unclassified to critical?
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17:30<hojda>dr|z3d, i do no know --anything of it :))
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17:31<jmarsden>satanus: Yes, you can add a comment to the bug explaining clearly and specifically why it meets the criteria for being critical. If it really does.
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17:31<satanus>LOL jmarsden sup
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17:47<hojda>dr|z3d, we can speak if we can make some good point :)) (I came back)
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18:01<hojda>xconf::Under what I put ( Option "NvAGP" ) ?
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18:02<adb>hojda, what about don't double post ?
18:03<hojda>adb, are you robot or human ?
18:03<adb>human ..
18:03<hojda>I sent it to two debian channels., it is bad ?
18:03<int_80h>that's hardly an effective turing test, is it
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18:03<int_80h>'are you human'
18:04<hojda>int_80h, have no idea :)) :)
18:05<Larrxi>you dont recommend changing ubuntu source.list to debian ones and dist-upgrade, do you?
18:05<themill>Larrxi: err, no. That's not going to end well
18:05<hojda>adb, How do I sent it to all could see ?
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18:07<hojda>adb, can I send text to all 1200 people in two channels ?
18:07<Larrxi>themill, thank you man
18:08<adb>hojda, man xorg
18:08<adb>hojda, man xorg.conf
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18:09<adb>hojda + google has tons of xorg.conf as examples ..
18:09<hojda>adb, What a good idea :)
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18:09<hojda>adb, it seems I am idealess today..... I installed that nvidia 4 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D
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18:11<adb>heh, my first nvidia install takes my 2 weeks ..
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18:11<int_80h>wow, guys
18:11<int_80h>you guys have the worst luck ever or what
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18:11<hojda>adb, aaaaah :) what a things :)
18:12<hojda>int_80h, ??????? :)))
18:12<adb>takes me*
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18:12<hojda>adb, So , what is that about, to not send to two channels ?
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18:14<hojda>---As I can see, it displays only in one channel.
18:14<adb>active users are the same on both channels
18:15<adb>mostly ..
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18:18<hojda>adb, and they see ?
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18:20<steffan>hojda: if you want it to be seen here then you type it here, if you want it to be seen there then you type it there. it's pretty simple
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18:21<hojda>steffan, yes :)
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18:21<steffan>hojda: but like adb said, a large percentage of active helpers are on both channels
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18:21<hojda>steffan, I type it there, where I want to be seen :)
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18:46<Siddharta>hi everyone, where could i read good documentation about languages? i live in MEX and i want all of my system in english, but i also want to be able to have KDE in spanish (and applications as well), but i don want the shell to show messages in spanish
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18:47<Siddharta>i installed in english, but during the process i indicated i live in MEX, and also selected es_MEX-UTF8 things to be able to read special latin characters ...
18:48<babilen>!tell Siddharta -about locale
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18:48<Siddharta>thanks for pointing the direction ..
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18:49<babilen>!tell Siddharta -about lang
18:49<babilen>Siddharta: if you need help doing something specific and you can't figure it out, come back and ask. Good luck :-)
18:50<Siddharta>babilen: thank you very much :)
18:51<babilen>Siddharta: I guess you want to change LC_MESSAGES among other things ...
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18:53<Siddharta>babilen: i know nothing about lc_messages ... i like to have english as default language for the whole system, but KDE in spanish for my wife .. now i have a mess, i have Music folder and Música folder too ... things like that, and konsole shows everything in spanish
18:54<Siddharta>babilen: i have successfully switched my KDE session to english, but the rest is in spanish
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18:56<babilen>Siddharta: The LC_* environment variables let you specify locale specific things like monetary formats, date formats and messages (on the console). These however have to be supported by the applications in question ..
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18:56<babilen>Siddharta: Do you and your wife use the same account?
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18:57<babilen>Siddharta: I also think that you could configure some of these options within KDE, but I am not using and can't really help you with that.
18:58<Siddharta>babilen: no, we are using different accounts, mine in english, hers in spanish
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18:59<Siddharta>babilen: it's ok, i'm regenerating locales ... i was thinking to reinstall everything in english only, and then install spanish packages for kde and applications ... but i 'd like to fix this without reinstalling :)
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19:00<babilen>Siddharta: The music folder was probably created when you were executing the media player within the English locale and the Musica in the Spanish one.
19:01<babilen>Siddharta: You could start to set the system's default locale to English and then set the specific parts (data, paper size, ...) to sensible values.
19:01<Siddharta>babilen: everytime i log in in kde i have to go to kde system settings and change the default paths, change música to music .. i think my language is set to english but locale set to spanish, hehehehe
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19:03<babilen>Siddharta: That might just be it. 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' might help with that
19:03<Siddharta>babilen: would you suggest me to set en_US-UTF8 as default or "none"?
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19:05<babilen>Siddharta: en_US.UTF8 sounds like a good default ...
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19:11<Siddharta>babilen: thanks, i'll read more about it, i need to reboot and check some things, thank you very much again
19:12<babilen>Siddharta: no problem ..
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19:56<bighornram>Does anyone have input about using virtualbox with reactos instead of wine?
19:58<retrospectacus>you just blew my mind
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19:59<abrotman>bighornram: don't you think that depends on the use?
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20:01<bighornram>I don't know, virtualbox and reactos sites promote it as a better choice (of coarse) but I'm not sure how virtualbox works to compare the two.
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20:03<bighornram>I only use a couple windows apps once in a while.
20:03<abrotman>i meant what you're going to do with it ..
20:04<bighornram>oh, i use only a couple apps to rip dvds and they both work in wine.
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20:06<TGP1994>Hi everyone, I noticed in apt that it is becomming very slow in installing, not downloading, packages. Does anyone have any suggestions for cleaning it, excluding apt-get clean?
20:09<bighornram>abrotman: how do they work differently?
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20:13<TGP1994>Can anyone help me?
20:13<abrotman>bighornram: i'm just saying you were asking for an opinion
20:13<TGP1994>Am I not hearing something :S
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20:14<TGP1994>So, uhh, ya, can someone help me?
20:14<abrotman>apt-get clean won't do anyhting
20:15<TGP1994>Then is there any other house keeping I can do?
20:16<bighornram>abrotman: absolutely. I run amd64 and have a clean install. Have not put wine in yet and know it will install the 32 bit libraries. Stumbled upon virtualbox and reactos on the wine webpage. Wondering how it would be different and if it would maybe be a better way to do it.
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20:21<julian>is there a better driver for atheros cards than ath9k
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20:23<sney>there used to be madwifi, but it is not better, for at least 2 reasons
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20:27<julian>well ath9k sucks.
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20:28<int_80h>rule of thumb is to avoid atheros cards...get a plugin card, save some headaches
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20:33<abrotman>julian: in which kenrel?
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20:37<abrotman>julian: go to #ubuntu on for support
20:37<julian>lol i thought i was in that channel my fault
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20:50<sloosh>Upgrade issue with grub; "the symbol 'grub_gettext' not found"; at the grub rescue, but 'help' doesn't list commands and trying to 'root (hd...)' also gives command not found... what to do? download netinst image, boot from it, to repair the grub install?
20:50<TGP1994>did you install/update the grub package recently?
20:51<sloosh>yes, just a little while ago... ten minutes maybe?
20:51<TGP1994>Do you have gcc, glibc6, etc. installed?
20:51<sloosh>but there is a recent bug report that indicates it is probably my fault
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20:51<sloosh>I do not know off hand, but probably yes
20:51<TGP1994>Is this comming from an installation on your hard drive?
20:52<TGP1994>Hmmm... Ya, I would find a livecd, and reinstall grub onto the hd.
20:52<sloosh>Ok... fun since all I have is netbook + usb, but I think I can do it..
20:53<sloosh>would be much easier if it would let me boot one last time :P
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21:05<oorah>which cd iso do i need to install debian?
21:06<sney>#1 or netinst
21:06<sney>everything else you can get via the internet once the base system is installed
21:06<oorah>ok thanks
21:06<oorah>#1 or netinstall?
21:06<oorah>which is best?
21:06<sney>#1 has more packages, but if you have a fast internet connection netinstall is better
21:07<sney>more up to date, etc
21:07<oorah>oh ok thanks
21:07<oorah>i've been using ubuntu for a while, and they release stuff too early full of bugs
21:07<oorah>sorry i shouldn't talk bad about debian's relative lol
21:07<sney>and all their users are noobs so if something breaks you can't get good support to fix it
21:07<sney>haha we don't like ubuntu here
21:07<oorah>oh ok
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21:08<oorah>how is the debian community? are basic apps installed the same?
21:08<oorah>how bout wifi, flash, etc?
21:08<sney>the community is bigger and older, both use apt-get/aptitude to install things so that part is the same
21:08<sney>wifi can be tricky depending on hardware, flash is easy
21:09<maxb>I like Ubuntu, but I have to agree that #debian is a far more useful place than #ubuntu
21:09<oorah>how bout msi wind?
21:09<maxb>To the extent that I have on occasion found a bug on my Ubuntu machine, and reproduced it on a Debian machine so that I could ask about it here ;-)
21:09<sney>maxb: haha that's great
21:10<sney>oorah: the netbook?
21:10<TGP1994>Careful what you ask though, some people may be dicks about it.
21:11<sney>do you know what wifi chip it is?
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21:11<oorah>not sure
21:11<oorah>intel i think
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21:12<laserdude>I have a problem with Internet connections, as well
21:12<sney>are you using it right now?
21:12<oorah>not wifi no
21:12<oorah>using wired
21:12<oorah>i don't take the laptop out much anyways
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21:12<oorah>but nice to have wifi just in case
21:12<sney>oorah: can you do lspci -vv |grep net and paste to
21:13<oorah>01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
21:14<oorah>not large enough text for pastebin lol
21:14<sney>well that's your wired connector
21:14<sney>nothing else came up?
21:15<oorah>no thats it
21:15<sney>wifi must be disabled
21:15<sney>it's a Wind U100?
21:15<oorah>its enabled
21:16<sney>but anyway:
21:16<laserdude>I can wait... just letting you guys know i'm still here.
21:16<oorah>sney, nothing came up
21:16<sney>that's pretty strange oorah
21:17<sney>laserdude: just ask your question, sheesh
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21:17<oorah>somethin just came up lol
21:18<laserdude>sorry. Internet in general will not load web pages, repos(apt) etc.
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21:18<TGP1994>Is it attached to your network?
21:18<sney>some laptop companies use a usb wifi controller inside the case, because it's easier to enable/disable on the fly
21:18<laserdude>Even though it says I am connected.
21:18<TGP1994>try pinging the router
21:18<sney>that'll be a routing or dns error
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21:19<oorah>sney, did that make sense?
21:19<abrotman>laserdude: DNS problems ?
21:19<sney>oorah: weird, no wifi there either... oh well, if you use wired all the time, wifi can be sorted out later
21:19<laserdude>Definitely getting pingback.
21:20<oorah>sney, yeah true, its not a huge issue just an accessory
21:20<oorah>ok netinstalling away, may be back with a question lol
21:20<oorah>tired of the bugs, gotta get stable
21:20<sney>oorah: and debian definitely doesn't have the releasing-things-to-early problem - in fact, some people whine that we release things too slowly :P
21:20<oorah>hehe bb in a bit
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21:21<laserdude>heres a sample pingback...
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21:21<sloosh>I found an old Ubuntu livecd.. but I'm not sure how to fix the broken grub since the livecd has the original grub and I'm trying to install/fix grub-pc?
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21:22<sney>sloosh: if you chroot to your debian system, you will be running the version of grub that debian has installed, not the one on your livecd
21:22<laserdude>64 bytes from icmp_seq=128 ttl=255 time=2.55ms
21:23<sney>laserdude: what does route say
21:23<abrotman>laserdude: DNS problems ?
21:23<laserdude>Let's pretend I have no idea what that is.
21:23<sloosh>!bug 558312
21:24<sney>just type 'route' in your terminal and hit enter, it will give you output, paste it on a website and link it to us
21:24<abrotman>laserdude: nslookup
21:24<laserdude>it says command not found
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21:24<laserdude>ok. sorry.
21:25<sloosh>hmm, that's the bug... the reply is that "yoou install different version of grub to diifferent drives using the same /boot/grub.. one stopped booting because of abi incompatibility.. tell debconf template to install grub to each drive and you'll be okay" < is this possible from chroot to that drive?
21:25<laserdude>it will take a bit.
21:26<Lapinou>hey i booted from an .img on my USB, everything is fine but i can t find how to install it to my hard disk now lol
21:26<sney>it's always possible to chroot to a drive unless it's corrupt or encrypted or something
21:26<laserdude>ok. got bunch of google related ips.
21:26<sney>Lapinou: you booted from what .img ?
21:27<sloosh>but how do I tell debconf template to install to each drive? dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc?
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21:27<Lapinou>just downloaded a .img file from the official debian mirror and used dd to put it on my USB stick
21:28<sney>what .img file? boot.img.gz? you also needed an install iso copied to the usb stick so it has something to install
21:28<Lapinou>from which i booted... cuz i have no cd thing, can t install debian that way... so trying from usb
21:28<int_80h>hahaha purge dbus yields an upgrade to libdbus
21:28<int_80h>thaaat should never happen
21:29<Lapinou>well sney it booted xD but seems like a livecd ... in a usb
21:29<Lapinou>i have X working and all
21:30<sney>debian-live does not install
21:30<Lapinou>damn it
21:30<sney>it's just a demo.
21:30<laserdude>sucks, dunnit?
21:30<Lapinou>yea but some distribution livecd propose to install too
21:31<Lapinou>alright then...
21:31<sney>that's a work in progress. in the meantime, read the manual.
21:31<sney>or if you prefer,
21:32<Lapinou>even better
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21:32<int_80h>you can chroot to your drive, debootstrap and use dpkg --set-selections to install. but it's not as easy as clicking 'install'
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21:32<tomdavidson>hello, im having troubles integrating non-debian software. i can manage to install from source (SVN), but i want to use apt-get once the application has a final release (and is available as a deb). How to i upgrade apps instaled from source?
21:32<sney>I try not to frighten the new guys with debootstrap
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21:33<int_80h>tomdavidson, you only option is to remove, and build a debian package instead of make install'ing
21:33<int_80h>if your package does not include a debian build target, this could be somewhat complicated
21:33<Lapinou>well i used to install gentoo... you have to chroot too to install from the cd install xD
21:34<sney>source-compiled software is usually installed to /usr/local as well, so if you just install the .deb on top it will immediately get complicated
21:34<tomdavidson>ic, that must be why im not finding the solution.. there isnt one
21:34<Lapinou>anyway lxde... seems great
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21:34<sney>lxde is pretty nice yeah, I just started using it myself
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21:34<int_80h>i always build with --prefix lol
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21:35<tomdavidson>the app in question is campcaster. it has a 1.4b that dates to may. i wanted to install from svn, but didnt want to patch for the final release... i like apt :)
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21:35<tomdavidson>thanks for the very quick and helpful response!
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21:36<laserdude11>Hey, Back
21:37<laserdude11>on an actual machine now.
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21:38<int_80h>man i guess it is just impossible to remove dbus, despite priority=optional
21:38<sney>hi laserdude
21:38<laserdude11>here is the dump from the nslookup:
21:39<laserdude11>tell me if it doesnt work
21:39<int_80h>google docs? lol
21:39<edbian>Has anyone here tried used google's new DNS servers?
21:39<sney>int_80h: don't give up! I had to fight with apt the other day to remove gdm
21:39<int_80h>apt can get very particular, downright stubborn at times!
21:39<laserdude11>what? what else could i use so that everyone could see it?
21:39<int_80h>but i will never understand why removing a package can equal installing a bunch of others
21:40<laserdude11>I could have done with that.
21:40<sney>hell, my google account doesn't even have access to your thing
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21:40<hans>good evening
21:42<hans>if anyone is available, i would like to seek assistance with a nvidia card on debian lenny
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21:42<laserdude11>Soreee. I'm still (sort of) new to this debian help thing.
21:43<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
21:43<Lapinou>yea... better use nvidia
21:43<sney>laserdude11: looks like dns is working. can you paste the output of route ?
21:43<laserdude11>did you not see the top? route is not found...
21:44<hans>!nvidia m-a
21:44<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.
21:44<hans>!nvidia pre-built
21:44<dpkg>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
21:44<sney>hans, please /msg dpkg
21:44<hans>ahh i'm sorry
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21:44<sney>laserdude11: /sbin/route
21:45<laserdude11>ok. brb...
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21:45<hans>sney: i have installed the nvidia drivers the debian way... i originally did it so i could get a higher screen resolution than 1024x768... it seems to have installed, but i still cannot get a higher resolution. would you have any idea what i may be able to do?
21:46<sney>hans: is the nvidia module working? when you do glxinfo |grep direct does it say yes?
21:47<hans>i'm using a nvidia geforce fx go5200
21:47<hans>give me one moment please
21:47<hans>hmmm... it tells me glxinfo: command not found...
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21:48<sney>hans: aptitude install mesa-utils
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21:48<sloosh>thanks TGP and sney
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21:49<laserdude11>there's the routing table.
21:49<sney>if you ping dslmodem.domain does it resolve to ?
21:50<laserdude11>let's see...
21:50<hans>sney: ok, i get direct rendering: yes
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21:50<hans>thanks for helping out; i see you're busy with laserdude as well
21:51<laserdude11>Need the address?
21:51<sney>so when you ping dslmodem.domain it gives you host not found or whatever
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21:51<laserdude11>no. It gives me an address, but not (
21:52<sney>what address does it give you?
21:54<sney>that seems insane
21:54<sney>become root, and route del default
21:54<sney>and then, route add default
21:55<laserdude11>I know. It's probably "RTFM" in ASCII
21:55<laserdude11>ok. will try.
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21:56<hans>sney: anything else you think i could try? direct rendering is on, though still nothing larger than 1024x768
21:57<sney>hans: what resolution did you want? you can set it manually in xorg.conf
21:57<laserdude11>Says that there is no such device.
21:58<laserdude11>after I tried to add. Del worked like a charm...
21:59<sney>well, there's another way to get it to see the light. run dhclient wlan0 again and it'll rever to how it was, probably
22:00<sney>hans: google xorg.conf resolution and you'll find some howtos on the subject
22:00<laserdude11>ok.. having a conversation in one room and the comp in another really sucks.
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22:03<laserdude11>All right. Will probably continue this tomorrow (parents). Spat out connection stuff, still not working.
22:04<laserdude11>be back tomorrow.
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22:19<hans>no luck for me yet
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22:32<hans>sney: i am looking at my xconf log and i have found where it is rejecting the 1280x1024; could i msg it to you in pm? not sure how to add a valid mode.
22:32<sney>just put it in a pastebin
22:33<hans>how would i do that?
22:33<sney>copy and paste to
22:34<sney>(and then link it)
22:35<hans>i see
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22:35<sney>can you paste the relevant part of your xorg.conf as well?
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22:38<hans>i had added 'modeline' in 'monitor' and the 'modes' in 'screen' to try and make it work
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22:45<sney>hans: you don't need the modeline and displaysize lines anymore
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22:45<sney>just Modes "1280x1024" should be enough
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22:49<sney>hans: you don't need the modeline and displaysize lines anymore
22:49<sney>just Modes "1280x1024" should be enough
22:49<hans>alright, lets see how that works
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22:53<hans>still getting: (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x1024"; removing.
22:53<hans>in the log
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23:04<sney>hans: try asking #nvidia on freenode
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23:06<ccg->can someone recommend some sound recorder and mp3 encoder to me
23:09<hans>i would recommend audacity
23:10<hans>you will have to download the mp3 encoder seperately i believe
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23:10<ccg->can you recommend any mp3 encoder ?
23:10<hans>they mention it in the audacity installation instructions
23:11<hans>sney: thanks, i will check that room out
23:11<hans>thanks for your help
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23:25<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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23:38<interbird>I just know things are deteriotating -- watch my spelling
23:40<dpkg><greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes.
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23:49<xPhilosx>im running a fresh copy of lenny with lxde and I am looking for a way to control my mouse settings
23:50<GuilhermeCunha>mouse settins in xorg.conf
23:51<xPhilosx>GuilhermeCunha, well yes, I should have been more specific, I am looking for a gui solution if one exists
23:51<xPhilosx>otherwise ill just stick to vi
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