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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-06

---Logopened Sun Dec 06 00:00:21 2009
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01:00<grondilu>Hi, what's the command to identify my graphic cards ?
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01:02<grondilu>ok got it. "hardinfo" should do.
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01:43<vsayikiran>i am evolution for first time, i have created a filter rule that if message sender contains then the message must move to some XYZ folder. But this is not happening. I want to know the reason
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01:43<vsayikiran>#join #linux
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01:45<vsayikiran>does evolution automatically apply filter rules or not. i need some clarification
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01:47<gsimmons>dpkg: evolution
01:47<dpkg>somebody said evolution was an Email and Personal Information Manager originally developed by Ximian (now Netware), an <Outlook> clone. #evolution on
01:47<gsimmons>vsayikiran: See "Why do my mail filters not work?" and "How can I see what my filters are doing?" in the above FAQ.
01:48<darkely1024>google it
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01:49<darkely1024> or go to wiki answers or yahoo answers
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02:43<overddose>how would i go about downloading a java runtime in debian?
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02:43<overddose>the bin says it cant read it
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04:13<dpkg>it has been said that htb is the Hierarchical Token Bucket approach to traffic shaping and bandwidth limiting. Details and patches to kernel and iproute at
04:13<dpkg>[squid] the Squid Internet Object Cache, a caching web proxy server supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and other protocols. Lenny users: SMB authentication (smb_auth) is broken, see Debian bug #524957 to correct. See also <transparent proxy>, <squid deb caching>, <adzapper>. /usr/share/doc/squid/* #squid on
04:15<dpkg>hmm... cowsay is a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him
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05:00<mihkel>Hi. I can't send mail with ssmtp as normal user anymore
05:00<mihkel>Dec 6 11:55:46 debian sSMTP[2349]: /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf not found
05:00<mihkel>Dec 6 11:55:47 debian sSMTP[2349]: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. 16sm2777806ewy.14
05:00<mihkel>root /etc/ssmtp:# ls -l
05:01<mihkel>-rw-r--r-- 1 root mail 285 Jun 30 11:27 revaliases
05:01<mihkel>-rw-r----- 1 root mail 163 Dec 6 11:59 ssmtp.conf
05:01<mihkel>I can send mail as root
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05:02<mihkel>I guess this is something to do with that:
05:02<knoppix_r0x0rz>how do i put knoppix onto usb? i am running knoppix 5.3 livedvd because it is better than the knoppix 6cd
05:03<cahoot>this is #debian
05:03<knoppix_r0x0rz>this is where it took me but ill join /knoppix
05:05<knoppix_r0x0rz>this is debian. the best knoppix version i have. its better and faster than Lubuntu, which is also debian
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05:05<cahoot>don't confuse 'based on debian* with the real thing
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05:06<knoppix_r0x0rz>lol ok i have never actually downloaded pure debian
05:06<knoppix_r0x0rz>its not bloated like ubuntu and all the others is it?
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05:07<cahoot>you can bloat up debian to your hearts content
05:07<knoppix_r0x0rz>i mean debian is a standalone OS, right? i am trying to find something that doesnt need a giant hard disk and gigs of ram
05:08<cahoot>!why debian
05:08<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
05:09<cahoot>knoppix_r0x0rz: as you might gather people here tend to prefer debian
05:09<knoppix_r0x0rz>i dont want bloated, i need something that can run off ~2gb flash drive, ~210mb ram and that is not puppy linux and especially not DSL
05:09<mihkel>What should be the right persmissions for /etc/ssmtp/* that I can send mail as normal user?
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05:10<Supaplex>knoppix_r0x0rz: tinycorelinux
05:10<knoppix_r0x0rz>oh you say !why debian. and it listed that i see. i am very new to linux but it seems that everything that i have tried is debian based
05:10<knoppix_r0x0rz>orr at least they can use .deb
05:10<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at . #compiz on
05:10<Supaplex>tinycore might be too lean for what you want. :)
05:11<knoppix_r0x0rz>could tinycorelinux do 166mhz pentium w/MMX and 32mb ram?
05:11<Supaplex>it just might
05:11<knoppix_r0x0rz>cool that is what i am really looking for a linux for, an old AST ascentia p series
05:12<Supaplex>I don't have anything that old to test on :)
05:12<knoppix_r0x0rz>i do and it cost someone over $4000 back in the day
05:12<knoppix_r0x0rz>but i lost the cdrom drive
05:12<Supaplex>I think my openwrt router is faster :P
05:13<knoppix_r0x0rz>i did get ethernet drivers for it while i had a functional floppy disk, but tomsrtbt ruined that floppy
05:13<Supaplex>yup. my openwrt is a 300mhz 64mb ram, 64mb flash thin client.
05:13<knoppix_r0x0rz>my samsung impression is probably faster and has better graphics
05:13<knoppix_r0x0rz>i know it has more memory
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05:13<knoppix_r0x0rz>and 8gb microsdhc
05:14<panthera>Supaplex: too funny :))
05:14<knoppix_r0x0rz>could i get linux on that phone
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05:14*Supaplex ^5's panthera
05:14<knoppix_r0x0rz>i have no reason to get linux on that phone just wonderin
05:14<Supaplex>how's it goin? :)
05:14<knoppix_r0x0rz>oh i bet your openwrt is faster than my phone
05:15<panthera>Supaplex: currently messing arround with syslinux themeing
05:15<panthera>Supaplex: you've got some time spare to play labrat afterwards?
05:16<knoppix_r0x0rz>puppy linux would be the best lightweight i have tried if the browser didnt crash due to flash content overload
05:16<Supaplex>panthera: humm perhaps yeah. I might be in bed in ~1h or so
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05:17<panthera>Supaplex: well, then tomorrow.. will need more than an hour to get ready
05:17<Supaplex>I have a poweredge 1750 that's ... not to happy with netbooting when I have 5 ethernet interfaces in all.
05:17<Supaplex>ahh k.
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05:19<Supaplex>I guess I can't complain for $20 =)
05:20<knoppix_r0x0rz>oh yeah my phone is 1900mhz. jk ARM9 115Mhz. i guess the laptop beats it in the processing department.
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05:22<knoppix_r0x0rz>is there a debian that can handle the "adobe flash player settings" menu? all i have tried have problems with that, but ubuntu pwns quakelive
05:22<mihkel>doing: root /etc/ssmtp:# chmod g+s *
05:23<mihkel>won't still let me to send mail as normal user
05:24<mihkel>mail.log contains
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05:32<knoppix_r0x0rz>ok heres a real question then: if i am going to use Unetbootln or whatever to do an install-via-network, will i have the option to configure my ip so the computer can actually communicate with the outside worlds
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05:35<knoppix_r0x0rz>ie: can you install linux via the network if you have a static ip, which makes manual ip configuration a necessity?
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05:39<Supaplex>knoppix_r0x0rz: I don't see why not. check the install guide off the guide is pretty clearly written.
05:39<Guest376>looks good
05:39<Guest376>the new knoppix
05:39<knoppix_r0x0rz>alright. i am about to download it. does flash player work
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05:41<twager>I have just installed compiz on my sid partition and find there is no interaction with the mouse and a window so I cannpt move a window any ideas ?
05:42<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
05:42<babilen>twager: have a look at the bts
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05:45<Supaplex>!tell knoppix_r0x0rz -about flash
05:45<twager>babilen: Thanks..
05:45<knoppix_r0x0rz>good to know
05:45<babilen>twager: you might also want to ask in #compiz@freenode
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05:46<knoppix_r0x0rz>supaplex what you know about flash
05:46<Supaplex>read what the bot said.
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05:46<knoppix_r0x0rz>is it just dysfunctional because windows is their top priority
05:46<knoppix_r0x0rz>bot said nada
05:46<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
05:47<knoppix_r0x0rz>o ok
05:47<knoppix_r0x0rz>!adobe flash
05:47<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
05:47<Supaplex>knoppix_r0x0rz: that's a misnomer. adobe/macromedia have licence agreements of their own they are tied up in.
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05:48<knoppix_r0x0rz>but gnash and swfdecoder are open source flash software?\
05:48<Supaplex>so it may not be open source, but they fossing things here and there.
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05:48<evald>hi people
05:48<knoppix_r0x0rz>it works good enough to listen to or see and hear peoples webcams, but not enough to broadcast audio/veo
05:49<Supaplex>ask yourself why compaq was able to replicate the ibm bios first. then when you discover it's a white lab without licence agreements, you'll be one step closer to reaslising why
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05:50<Supaplex>the Utah Open Source Conference had Adobe as a key note speaker. I'm not sure if the video has been made available for the public quite yet.
05:50<knoppix_r0x0rz> oh i see "CANNOT BE STABLE"
05:50<dpkg>[gnash] a GNU project to create a free software <Flash> player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. Ask me about <gnash_etch>.
05:51<dpkg>methinks gnash_etch is After adding a mirror for <>, aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash libqt3-mt=3:3.3.8b-5~bpo40+1 && x-www-browser
05:52<knoppix_r0x0rz>irc is much more useful when the bot can define things for you
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05:54<knoppix_r0x0rz>donde esta mis pantalones
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05:54<Supaplex>!pal knoppix_r0x0rz and his pants
05:54*dpkg points at knoppix_r0x0rz and his pants and laughs uproariously
05:54<gsimmons>mihkel: Add your user to the mail group (your chmod command was unnecessary).
05:54<knoppix_r0x0rz>if i just extract an iso to a flash stick that has the boot flag, it should be live, right?
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05:55<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC ( Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
05:55<Supaplex>knoppix_r0x0rz: no, not quite. see !live above. :)
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05:58<mihkel>gsimmons, I undid that chmod command and added myselt to mail group, but I still get this in mail.log
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05:59<gsimmons>mihkel: Did you log out and in again, to apply the group membership change? Welcome to Sid, by the way.
06:00<mihkel>no I did not log in/out
06:00<mihkel>just a minute
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06:01<Supaplex>time's up ;)
06:02<mihkel>ok that did the trick
06:03<diggy>does somebody knows why after login my slim login manager use more than 50% of cpu?
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06:04<Supaplex>diggy: strace might give you some ideas.
06:05<diggy>oh, thanks
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07:06<FunctionSysRoot>for allllllllllllllll
07:06<Supaplex>!pal FunctionSysRoot
07:06*dpkg points at FunctionSysRoot and laughs hysterically
07:08<Supaplex>* YAWN * ((( contagious where available )))
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07:53<jkd>Hello. I'm looking for information to install multiple man pages (in several languajes) when creating a deb package. Is there any reference about it?
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08:10<detly>I just asked this on #debian-mirrors, but I think I've established that it's not related to the mirror - I was playing around with recompiling some core packages (libc6, libstdc++), and it didn't work out so I reverted back to the repo packages... now synaptic shows a lot of official packages as locally installed (221 out of 1581 packages, with no discernable pattern)
08:11<detly>if I change mirrors from to, then they're displayed as official
08:11<detly>if I use squeeze in a VM, using the iinet mirror, then they're shown as official
08:11<detly>(sorry, I'm using squeeze btw)
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08:49<PythonRegius>hi, i'm looking for source for packages from ANCIENT releases
08:50<PythonRegius>think "buzz"
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09:02<ABCD>PythonRegius: try looking at
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09:03<wang>Hello, guys! Does the graphics card intel gma4500 support 3d effect well?
09:03<ABCD>(buzz's sources are in )
09:03<wang>I was thinking about trying beryl in debian lenny
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09:07<PythonRegius>ABCD: thanks. i was looking for debian-keyring, but seems the keyring was in doc-debian package back then
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09:08<PythonRegius>well, in the days of hamm at least
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09:08<PythonRegius>not sure if there was a keyring before that
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09:18<n00b> Can anyone tell if this song was edited on a machine running Debian?
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09:19<PythonRegius>n00b: umm. why?
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09:26<diem>hi all. I have two microSD cards, formatted with fat32, the problem is : I want to format the second one exactly like the first one (blocksize, option, number of copies of fat) .. does anyone knows how can I see those options for an existing FS, so I can make the proper mkfs line ?
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09:27<fnmueller>diem: try fdisk
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09:27<diem>fnmueller: I thought that disk would print only parttition tables (which are the same on both already)
09:28<cahoot>wouldn't dd make an exact copy?
09:28<fnmueller>something like fdisk -l /dev/sda
09:28<diem>cahoot: but I have files in one of them (which I know it's recognized properly), moving them out of the sd so I can make a "clean" dd sounds a bit lame ;)
09:28<fnmueller>diem: I don't think so
09:29<fnmueller>let me try
09:29<diem>fnmueller: disk -l shows me exact partition tables on both devices, but doesn't says anything about fat blocksize, or number of copies of fat, etc.
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09:32<fnmueller>so x, d is not what you are looking for?
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09:33<fnmueller>hmm, in fact I don't know in this case
09:33<diem>fnmueller: not really, this is the partition table info
09:33<diem>fnmueller: not filesystem properties inside one partition
09:33<fnmueller>that was a good quation!
09:34<diem>never imagined that it was so complex to format one partition like an existing one ;)
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09:35<fnmueller>me neither
09:35<diem>my problem started when I induced some errors in a SD card, decided to format it only to find out that the device which I intend to use it on, didn't recognized the new filesystem :(
09:35<diem>tried playing with multiple blocksizes and seemed that 4k bytes did the job. but I'm curious how can I make sure that it is the same as the "original" fs
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09:36<n00b>PythonRegius: Just curious
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09:39<diem>fnmueller: dosfsck -n -v <device> seems to help
09:39<fnmueller>dosfck - that is interesting
09:39<fnmueller>never would have thought of that
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09:52<Stemby>Hi, is there anyone who uses LXLauncher?
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09:55<PythonRegius>nice quit message
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09:56<wrksx>hey, I got an issue with debian lenny updates. I can't update totem-mozilla, it says I must uninstall Gnome in order to proceed. Is this normal ?
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09:57<danger>Hi Debian'ers is it possible to configure a debian system to use an encrypted file stored on a USB to login?
09:57<danger>Hope that makes sense
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09:58<danger>I was thinking I go have a go myself, but I'd like to check if someone else has / is working on this
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09:59<steffan>wrksx: can you paste bin the message that you're getting?
09:59<mib_4xu3bg>Hi all
09:59<steffan>Stemby: please just ask your question
09:59<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: hi
10:00<mib_4xu3bg>please I need help on how to install the GUI on Debian Lenny
10:00<mib_4xu3bg>i only have the command interface
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10:00<mib_4xu3bg>can someone tell me the command to install the graphic environnement?
10:01<danger>sudo apt-get install gnome?
10:01<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: which environment do you want to use, gnome/kde/etc?
10:01<danger><- recommends openbox :D
10:01<mib_4xu3bg>steffan: the one for ubuntu
10:02<mib_4xu3bg>i think it is gnome ?
10:02<danger>mib ubuntu typically uses gnome
10:02<mib_4xu3bg>ok then i will install gnome
10:02<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: 'apt-get install gnome' will install the environment and additional software (gnome-office, evolution etc). for a smaller set of applications 'aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment' should do
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10:02<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: yes, the default is gnome
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10:03<mib_4xu3bg>danger: thanks
10:03<mib_4xu3bg>steffan: thanks
10:04<ThA_AngE>danger: does openbox has any advantages over fluxbox?
10:04<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: no problem
10:04<mib_4xu3bg>the command for installing latex on debian lenny is aptitude install textlive-full?
10:04<danger>ThA_AngE I feel it's more clean and lighter weight,
10:04<danger>but just my preference
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10:04<steffan>dpkg: tell mib_4xu3bg about latex
10:04<danger>(a little easier to configure in my view too)
10:05<ThA_AngE>mkay, I tried flux once, but you need alot of free time to config it all
10:05<steffan>mib_4xu3bg: read the privmsg from dpkg
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10:05<danger>ThA_AngE took me about 2 hours to get openbox how I actually wanted it
10:06<danger>Ironically it's setting the background I had most trouble with lol
10:06<Stemby>steffan: I can't understand why PySyCache doesn't start from LXLauncher
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10:07<ThA_AngE>yea it isn't as easy as in gnome/kde
10:07<ThA_AngE>from a certain point of view it looks futuristic, like in movies
10:08<danger>lol yeah it's ultra clean in my view, don't understand it when people choose openbox then launch about have a billion panels which makes it look more bloated than gnome
10:09<danger>Real advantage is on lower spec machines, I'm running on mainly Atom based hardware here, and gnome eats too many cycles, openbox flies on these tiny CPUs though
10:10<ThA_AngE>and lxde/xfce?
10:10<danger>I dunno about xfce, I don't like it tbh.
10:11<Stemby>mib_4xu3bg: yes, texlive-full
10:11<ThA_AngE>may be true, but I'm sure my grandma couldn't use it, just because it's so barebone
10:11<kowalma>anybody tried to debianize latest asterisk sources?
10:11<danger>lol I don't think even my dad couldn't if it hasn't got a "start button" he probably think his machine was broken :/
10:11<kowalma>I'm trying for some time and it failes
10:12<kowalma>before it was ok
10:12<kowalma>I'm getting following error:
10:13<danger>Hope your going to use the paste bin if it's big mate :)
10:13<kowalma>it's shoort - just uploading txt file
10:14<mib_4xu3bg>stemby: thanks
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10:14<kowalma>in general I think it's sth related to the linker, I've tried to use binutils-gold as stated in QA but no luck
10:15<ThA_AngE>I'm sure open/flux can be more effective when you get to know it better, I used to be scared of irssi too
10:16<ThA_AngE>right now, I don't use anything else anymore
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10:18<n00b>I miss God
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10:21<PythonRegius>n00b: there is no god
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10:23<peej>!smite PythonRegius
10:23*dpkg smites PythonRegius with a plague of characters from an unknown locale
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10:25<n00b>I don't believe you
10:25*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
10:26<n00b>Is debian inspired by gods plan?
10:26<PythonRegius>evidently god has no plan
10:26<peej>n00b, I'm inclined to believe it is intelligent design.
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10:36<paistis>Hi, problem whit pulseaudio, i just update my system to testing, sound stop workin after upgrade. Pulseaudio Volumemeter(playback) shows that sound is gouing somewhere but nothing comes out from speakes
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10:37<paistis>also i can't find any error messages
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10:45<HenryHeron>I have recently installed Deb.Lenny, w/ GNOME d.e., & wondering if I can safely remove the default icons from the desktop (perhaps put them in panel)? I guess I'm asking if these are simple aliases...
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11:37<mib_4xu3bg>anyone knows how to download a free ebook on operating system? Google direct me on commercials sites
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12:20<mib_bifm0v>Hi all
12:22<mib_bifm0v>please, do you have any tutorials and any clue in order to help teach easily and in an understandable way the problem of the "philosophers diner" about operating system? Thanks.
12:23<abrotman>this channel is for Debian support
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12:26<mib_bifm0v>abrotman: i know; but since debain is an operating system, and since i use linux for the application of the course, i don't think i'm out of topic
12:27<abrotman>mib_bifm0v: this is for OS support
12:27<abrotman>mib_bifm0v: not programming questions .. i think there is a #programming on freenode
12:29<abrotman>mib_bifm0v: or google for the correct name
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12:39<eniac_petrov>any problems with the latest squeeze update?
12:39<eniac_petrov>my kde is broken?!
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12:40<eniac_petrov>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:40<eniac_petrov> kde-full: Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:55) but it is not going to be installed
12:40<eniac_petrov> Depends: kdeartwork (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
12:40<eniac_petrov> Depends: kdepim (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
12:40<eniac_petrov>E: Broken packages
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12:40<abrotman>eniac_petrov: 1) don't paste 2) wait a few days
12:41<eniac_petrov>abrotman, excuse me..
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12:45<craigevil>eniac_petrov: either wait a few days or install the missing depends from sid
12:45<eniac_petrov>ok :)
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13:02<sanduz2>hey everyone, is there a way to set a default subnet mask for when DHCPDiscover is invoked?
13:03<sanduz2>whether im using wpasupplicant or wired ethernet, DHCPDiscover tries to connect with ive successfully connected with unsecured wireless though because it read my interfaces config file netmask of
13:04<weasel> is the broadcast address.
13:04<weasel>it's where dhcp requests go to.
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13:05<sanduz2>hm is there a way to change the default to my real broadcast address then? (if thats what i should do)
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13:05<weasel>no. you would not know your networked broadcast address. finding out is kinda the point of dhcp.
13:06<sanduz2>but then why would my unsecured wireless work with the config file specifying a netmask
13:07<sanduz2>i set it to dhcp AND i set the netmask parameter
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13:15<Jarlaxe>hi everyone ! i'm stuck with a lot of bugs and i'm kind of beginner. I run a lenny/sid on a eeepc701, via SDcard. On the boot sequence i saw 2 error lines which can give me some tips i guess. But i don't find them back on logs (i use system log viewver). Where can i find error messages during boot sequence ?
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13:16<sanduz2>youre right weasel, it connects even when i remove the netmask parameter
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13:20<sanduz2>Jarlaxe: /var/log/boot
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13:22<Jarlaxe>it's what i guessed, but it says "nothing has been logged yet" ...
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13:25<sanduz2>hm not sure man, im no expert. i think maybe you have to set a parameter in a config file to enable more detailed logging. but im not sure
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13:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:29<sney>hmm, I guess the debian teams are taking a break for the holidays? I haven't seen any updates in days
13:30<abrotman>updates to squeeze ?
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13:31<sanduz2>i saw squeeze updated just yesterday or so
13:32<Jarlaxe>sanduz2: thx, i keep searching !
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14:04<Froad>I am trying to connect to a 2wire gateway with ethernet, and dhcp eth0 will not connect to the network
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14:55<RZ>Hi guys,
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14:55<RZ>does anyone use Latex?
14:56<RZ>I need help, F1
14:57<lord-carlos>don't ask to ask. just ask.
14:57<RZ>you are right, thanks
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14:58<Hian>Who use Lenny with KDE3?
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14:58<RZ>I want to install the nicefrac.sty package in Kile, but I don't know how I can do that!
14:58<RZ>I use debian and the kile is a software for latex
14:59<patrikf>make sure you have that package installed
14:59<Hian>How to install a metabar in KDE3?
15:00<RZ>thank you Patrikf
15:00<RZ>I am installing it now
15:01<themill>RZ: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file.
15:01<RZ>i used
15:01<RZ>sudo apt-get install (name of the package)
15:01<Lethalman>RZ, do su && apt-get install kile
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15:02<Lethalman>you can't sudo if sudo is not configured on your system
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15:02<RZ>I have already installed the Kile
15:02<RZ>so there is no need to install it again!
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15:04<RZ>I use GENOME sorry!
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15:08<Hian>I don't think this in Google too =(
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15:13<Hian>Anybody uses KDE3 in Lenny?
15:13<brlancer>do aptitude, apt-get and dpkg all work with the same/single database? if I install something manually with dpkg, will aptitude "see" it when it's checking dependencies?
15:15<Hian>Yes, show the dependencies
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15:15<Hian>And for resolve the dependencies using apt-get -f install
15:15<nse1>Hi. Do any of you guys know a transcribe program available on Debian?
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15:17<themill>brlancer: some of the fancier things like forbid-version are only available if you use one front-end and not others. /msg dpkg why aptitude
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15:18<Hian>Brlancer, you are brazilian?
15:18<nse1>Hian: I am. Can you help me, please?
15:18<brlancer>themill: yes, I know about different features; my question is if I install a package via dpkg, will aptitude "see" that package for all its fancy extra features
15:19<brlancer>Hian: No. I'm in the USA.
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15:19<Hian>nsel: You are brazilian?
15:20<faheem>does this problem (with tab completion) look familar to anyone? less -sh: <( compgen -d -- '' ): No such file or directory
15:20<faheem>when typing less + a space and then hitting tab (for example)
15:20<faheem>this machine was ugraded from sarge to lenny (not by me) so something could have got broken
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15:22<brlancer>faheem: it's not familiar to me. What files are you sourcing for tab completion?
15:22<nse1>Hian: Yes I am. I would like you to name a music transcriber software, if it's not a problem to you.
15:23<faheem>brlancer: no idea.
15:23<faheem>any way i could find out?
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15:25<faheem>brlancer: the answer to your question above is yes.
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15:26<faheem>all the front ends use dpkg's database
15:26<brlancer>faheem: Thanks. You'd need to check your shell files; /etc/bash_completion and /etc/bash_completion.d/ are installed by default, I believe
15:26<brlancer>faheem: Cool; I just wanted to make sure aptitude didn't use extra fields that the others didn't write.
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15:27<faheem>brlancer: aptitude might have metadata stored somewhere else. not sure, don't use it
15:27<Hian>nse1: Search for Express Scribe. It's a music transcriber
15:28<faheem>but the basic package metadata is common and stored by dpkg
15:28<faheem>i mean, aptitude might have extra metadata stored somewhere
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15:31<naip>i need some help with ndiswrapper
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15:33<peej>nse1, you mean something like lilypond?
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15:33<cahoot>you're sure there isn't any linux solution?
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15:43<mal>Hi, is somewhere any good document about KVM virtualization on debian/lenny which handles also startup/shutdown of guest while host is booting/shutdowning ... ?
15:44<nse1>peej: Yes.
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15:47<Hian>mal, you want to create a virtual machine?
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15:49<mal>Hian: I have no problem to create virtual machine, now I can boot virtual machine via kvm command from CLI. What I want is any "tutorial" how to create config files for kvm virtualized machine and how is solved starting/shutdowning of virtual guests while host is booting or shutdowning
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15:52<Hian>mal: Well, you can find something here
15:53<mal>Hian: there's not about how to do autostartup/autoshutdown and configuration files
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15:56<Hian>mal: So i do not know how to help. Sorry =/
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15:58<mal>hm.. /usr/bin/qemu-kvm is this file in debian ?
15:58<mal>tutorials describe to use this as emulator
15:58<mal>but I can't find this in any debian package
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16:22<AzaToth>Just tested google wave a small bit, and the first I got was "Sorry, it looks like you're using a browser that isn't supported during the preview of Google Wave."
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16:23<AzaToth>only Chrome, Safari4 and Firefox 3.5 is recommended
16:23<AzaToth>iceweasel isn't
16:23<AzaToth>I just hate User Agent String
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16:24<abrotman>AzaToth: you're probably using IW3.0.x .. i think it only likes 3.5.x
16:24<AzaToth>I'm using 3.5.x
16:25<AzaToth>$ apt-cache policy iceweasel | grep \\*\\*\\*
16:25<AzaToth> *** 3.5.3-2 0
16:25<abrotman>from unstable? then i guess it is a UA thing
16:25<abrotman>AzaToth: dpkg -l iceweasel | tail -1
16:25<brlancer>most sites grep for Firefox, not Gecko
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16:26<brlancer>having worked 10+ years for dotcoms, the engineers hate doing it but it's more reliable/consistent
16:26<AzaToth>abrotman: apt-cache policy gives me also the clue I should/could upgrade to 3.5.5 ツ
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16:26<neilrw>hi there I was wondering if someone could help
16:26<abrotman>AzaToth: we only care about what's installed in this case
16:26<AzaToth>abrotman: true, but for me it gave something extra ツ
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16:27<neilrw>anyone know how to get into /etc/shadow without being root?
16:27<abrotman>sudo ?
16:27<neilrw>users not a sudoer
16:27<neilrw>can my su pass changed for somereason
16:28<neilrw>cause i know i'm entering right password
16:28<AzaToth>neilrw: if you find a way, then either your system is broken, or you just find the bug of the decade
16:28<neilrw>*can = and
16:28<neilrw>lol- ok
16:28<neilrw>any idea why shadow would have changed?
16:28<neilrw>without my input
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16:29<AzaToth>neilrw: I would suggest boot the box in single user mode and fix the password
16:29<neilrw>does single user auto-boot to root?
16:29<brlancer>neilrw: did you add security features to prevent/limit su?
16:29<neilrw>nope, been running ssh for a while, but root is enabled in it
16:29<brlancer>neilrw: yes, single-user is root
16:29<neilrw>the only recent change is installing wine
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16:30<AzaToth>brlancer: you think it would be "legal" for debian to add "bla bla Firefox" in the UA of IW?
16:30<brlancer>you've infected your system with faux microsoftiness, *there* is your problem ;?
16:31<neilrw>lol, a little microsoft makes fail go a long way
16:31<neilrw>right, thanks guys, going to boot into single user- hopefully sort it
16:31<neilrw>thanks a lot
16:31<brlancer>AzaToth: the reason Debian uses "Iceweasel" is Mozilla objected to its use of the trademarked word "Firefox"; so, even if it's legal, it would be cost prohibitive to prove so
16:32<AzaToth>brlancer: actually scratch that
16:32<brlancer>AzaToth: there is a "User-Agent" plugin which also helps when sites are for IE
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16:32<AzaToth>upgraded IW to 3.5.5 and my UA is now:
16:32<AzaToth>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20091010 Iceweasel/3.5.5 (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1)
16:32<brlancer>hmmm, interesting
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16:34<AzaToth>firefox should change to using webkit so the cycle will be complete
16:34<brlancer>AzaToth: what version of iceweasel are you using?
16:35<AzaToth>brlancer: [22:32:37] <AzaToth> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: Gecko/20091010 Iceweasel/3.5.5 (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1)
16:35<brlancer>no, the package rev
16:35<AzaToth> (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1)
16:35<AzaToth> Debian-3.5.5-1
16:36<neilrw>hi again, i know this is a real n00b thing, but when i boot into single user i get prompted for root pass
16:36<neilrw>is there an interrupt, like in cisco?
16:36<ThA_AngE>add init=/bin/bash
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16:36<ThA_AngE>that should bring you right into the root prompt
16:37<neilrw>is that to the grub command you mean thA?
16:37<ThA_AngE>yes, instead of the 'single' you normally add
16:37<brlancer>AzaToth: weird; my squeeze 3.5.5-1 has a different UA
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16:38<ThA_AngE>when you're at grub you can edit your bootline ('e' I believe, then add that init line, and press 'b' for boot)
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16:38<AzaToth>brlancer: I don't have any UA-changing addons
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16:38<AzaToth>unless addblock does it ツ
16:38<brlancer>AzaToth: your build is from sid?
16:38<neilrw>the thA, i'll reboot now.
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16:39<AzaToth>brlancer: squeeze?
16:39<AzaToth>brlancer: in squeeze version is 3.0.14-1
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16:40<brlancer>AzaToth: ah, right, I built this from sid source :0
16:40<brlancer>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv: Gecko/20091102 Firefox/ (really Iceweasel/ (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1)
16:40<AzaToth>brlancer: * debian/rules: Add a "like Firefox/version" string to the UA.
16:40<AzaToth> Closes: #399633.
16:41<brlancer>it's odd to me that they're both versioned 3.5.5-1
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16:41<AzaToth>brlancer: (really Iceweasel/
16:41<AzaToth>wtf is that?
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16:41<n00b>neilrw: ??
16:41<brlancer>well, I'm out for bit
16:42<AzaToth>n00b: not you n00b
16:42<ThA_AngE>n00b: he just said he was a noob :)
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16:42<AzaToth>-NickServ- Nickname information for n00b (New Now Know How)
16:42<AzaToth>-NickServ- Last seen: Tue 20 Jan 2009 20:40:39 +0000 (10m 16d 01:01:47 ago)'
16:42<ThA_AngE>that's what you get when you choose such a nickname, ahahah :)
16:42<AzaToth>n00b: you are not here
16:43<neilrw>i did admin noob-ness
16:43<ThA_AngE>so, any luck changing the password?
16:43<neilrw>nope, added boot: linux init=/bin/sh to grub
16:43<neilrw>booted from it
16:44<neilrw>and it kicked me into gdm login
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16:45<neilrw>which is the same for the standard grub single user option
16:45<ThA_AngE>and /bin/bash like I said?
16:45<AzaToth>neilrw: think easiest now is for you to burn a recovery disk and boot from there
16:45<AzaToth>ThA_AngE: that shouldnt' mmatter
16:45<neilrw>wont i need admin priv's for that?
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16:46<AzaToth>neilrw: not if you boot a totally different OS ツ
16:46<neilrw>urgh, does that mean brand new partitions, total format?
16:47<AzaToth>neilrw: no
16:47<ThA_AngE>not really, just boot with a livecd, mount your disk and change your password
16:47<AzaToth>for example
16:47<AzaToth>yea, livecd sounds better ツ
16:47<neilrw>livecd as is isolinux
16:47<AzaToth>ThA_AngE: don't think mount is the only thing required
16:48<AzaToth>think he might need to chroot as well
16:48<ThA_AngE>really? and what does that add, if you can just edit the shadow file? :)
16:49<ThA_AngE>or I'm missing something here
16:49<neilrw>i tried entering into command mode from the install cd
16:49<neilrw>and mounting hda1
16:50<AzaToth>ThA_AngE: you need to hasj the password somehow ツ
16:50<AzaToth>neilrw: you have access to a shell now?
16:50<ThA_AngE>well, I guess his useraccount is there too, so he could just copy that hash to replace root's hash, so they have the same pass
16:50<neilrw>just a user terminal
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16:51<neilrw>[im running this on rdektop so i dont have to rejoin everytime]
16:51<AzaToth>ThA_AngE: but wouldn't "chroot passwd root" be easier?
16:52<AzaToth>"mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt; chroot /mnt passwd root"
16:53<AzaToth>instead of him having to find his favourite editor, which might not always be vi for all
16:53<neilrw>been begrudginly using vi
16:53<ThA_AngE>it's possible too, but I didn't knew what to do apart from chrooting (I remember I had to mount proc etc also in another situation), so I choose for the safe way
16:54<neilrw>whats annoying is that i can even get to any logs to see why root passwd changed
16:55<neilrw>and i'mneeding to do qdisc stuff for uni soon
16:55<AzaToth>"mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt; mount proc /mnt/proc; chroot /mnt passwd root"
16:56<neilrw>so basicly running a livecd, mounting hc1, proc and then resetting password
16:56<ThA_AngE>yes, but I wouldn't mount it to /mnt, because it would lockup your system :)
16:57<neilrw>ok, mkdir and mount it there
16:57<ThA_AngE>I guess I needed to mount proc for recompiling the kernel, but since we aren't doing that here
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16:58<ThA_AngE>I don't want to get too confusing ;)
16:58<neilrw>thanks, right well i'll give that a shot, hopefully brb
16:59<ThA_AngE>AzaToth: how about adding a shell as a parameter to chroot, or isn't that necessary also? (chroot /mnt/dir /bin/bash)
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17:02<ThA_AngE>ah wait, that will work I think. never used it like that though
17:03<Supaplex>man page tells all. :)
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17:05<RedDragon>Sorry to bother, but might anyone know a bit about file descriptor limits? Everything I find with google keeps telling me to use ulimit, but that seems to have been unsuccessful...
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17:14<neilrw>well its not letting me do that on the boot cd command line - ther's no mount command
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17:14<neilrw>so I'll download and burn a livecd and try again
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17:16<neilrw>thanks for the help guys
17:16<ThA_AngE>sysrescuecd will do
17:17<neilrw>downloading now
17:18<neilrw>any ideas why sinlge user mode still took me out at a gui login?
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17:21<ThA_AngE>I'm not sure...
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17:22<neilrw>thanks though- loving linux, week in so far
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17:26<ThA_AngE>glad to hear it didn't scare you off, most other people that are used using something different (like windows) won't just jump into it
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17:28<neilrw>well coming from a bit of cisco IOS it was quite good
17:28<neilrw>plus we got a tuaght course on it, using cli debian
17:28<neilrw>running apache, mta's etc
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17:28<ThA_AngE>that's nice
17:29<neilrw>really liked the functionality, though the whole file/process thing kinda freaked me
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17:30<neilrw>installed it as a base for my dissertation, plugged a couple of NIC's in it
17:30<neilrw>but ended up really liking the gui (running awn)
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17:33<sdsdsd>hello, i need help. I have installed gEDA but it haven't installed Icons on Gnome Menu. How to put them there?
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17:37<sdsdsd>obs: A year ago, i have installed gEDA, but it was unstable, so i uninstalled, but the icons remain, so i deleted them. now i need the programa but the icons dont appear. Comand line works, but its not slower to use.
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17:39<sdsdsd>(its slower than just click)
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17:40<sdsdsd>Please help. Ill stay here and wait for help.
17:41<neilrw>sorry, sdsdsd - can't help
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17:47<adb>!tell sdsdsd -about confmiss , but just a guess ..
17:48<adb>!tell sdsdsd -about confmiss
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17:58<sdsdsd>adb that dont works.. anyway thank you
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18:00<sdsdsd>thank you all.
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18:06<RedDragon>I guess there's no one around at the moment that might know what would be limiting file descriptors on a program besides what can be changed with ulimit and in /etc/security/limits.conf? :/
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18:11<peej>RedDragon, maybe look at /proc/sys/fs/file-max ?
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18:20<RedDragon>peej - That's been changed as well
18:20<RedDragon>So far every limit we could find we've set to 65k, but the program keeps failing at 1024 connections
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18:24<OddTod>hey guys i was wondering is debian compatable with netbooks.I know the hardware is supported but is 1 gig of ram and atom processor good enough to run the OS smooth with a GUI?
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18:31<craigevil>OddTod:yes debian will work just fine on a netbook, 1gb of ram is more than my desktop has
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18:33<jpinx-eeepc>OddTod: I guess......
18:33<jpinx-eeepc>OddTod: what netbook?
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19:42<n00b>debian is naibed spelled backwards
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19:53<jmarsden>RedDragon: Instead of testing "the program", could you create your own little test program that just opens files, and tells you how many it opened before it got an error... and see if that test program stops at 1024 or not? Just to make sure the issue is definitely system configuration and not "the program" itself?
19:55<RedDragon>It's gone to 2000+ before a recent kernal update, which is why I hadn't tried that yet...
19:55<n00b>I've been solved
19:56<RedDragon>That said though, I think we managed to find the answer to the problem, possibly
19:57<RedDragon>(just waiting on someone with direct access to the server to test the solution)
19:57<RedDragon>Thank you very much for the advice though :3
19:58<n00b>debian is an own name
19:58<plugwash>is there any way I can stop fsck from considering "last mount time in the future" to be a failure?
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19:59<themill>n00b: perhaps you were looking for #debian-offtopic for your ramblings
20:01<neilrw>woo! root password reset from systemrecoverycd
20:01<neilrw>many thanks to all who helped
20:02<n00b>you're welcome
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20:08<faheem>Hi. Did the shell entry in sarge's /etc/passwd once use to be /bin/sh?
20:08<faheem>lenny has /bin/bash
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20:15<faheem>or, perhaps, someone used useradd instead of adduser?
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20:50<mdg>Hello! I'm had a Gateway Profile 3 running Debian Lenny - where do I configure all .mp3 files to be opened by audacious?
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20:51<bytrone>hi, how do i resolve this issue when runing aptitude >
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20:51<mdg>Hello! I'm had a Gateway Profile 3 running Debian Lenny - where do I configure all .mp3 files to be opened by audacious?
20:51<dr|z3d>mdg: right click on an mp3 file in your ifle manager -> properties.. set the default application..
20:52<mdg>dr|z3d: I did that for one file - it only set it for one file...
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20:53<mdg>dr|z3d: maybe I just need to log out and back in or something...
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20:56<mdg>guess I will just have to do it one by one..
20:56<mdg>thanks and have a good evening
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21:39<sanduz2>what is the best way to update the newest debian squeeze to the newest linux kernel? i need to for ethernet support
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21:44<abrotman>which kernel do you have now ?
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21:45<sanduz2>2.6.30-5 i believe
21:45<sanduz2>its the latest squeeze release
21:46<kmap>I'd go for kernel-package and build my own, but you can get the one from sid.
21:46<abrotman>you can get the .31 from sid, or make your own
21:46<kmap>judd: kernel
21:46<judd>kmap: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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21:47<sanduz2>the update i need is within an update to 31 somewhere, so id probably be better off going with 32 just in case. whats the best way to make my own?
21:47<sanduz2>i cant really find a nice guide anywhere
21:47<abrotman>!kp mantra
21:47<dpkg>[kp mantra] make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
21:48<kmap>/usr/share/doc/kernel-package also has good READMEs
21:49<sanduz2>thanks guys
21:50<sanduz2>do you all have any idea when 2.6.32 will be used with squeeze? a rough guess?
21:50<sanduz2>just curious
21:53<faheem>sanduz2: this is nice but possibly out of date
21:54<sanduz2>thanks a bunch ill check it out :)
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21:54<abrotman>sanduz2: it has to get to sid first
21:54<sanduz2>oh ok
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22:11<aero>will someone help me unlock my usb flash drive
22:12<faheem>aero: unlock?
22:14<aero>faheem it says 'read only' file system
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22:17<faheem>aero: how do you have it mounted?
22:18<faheem>aero: what says 'read only'?
22:18<aero>faheem, it came up automatically when I put it in
22:18<faheem>aero: came up?
22:18<faheem>you mean some kind of popup
22:18<faheem>? what is the current entry in mount?
22:19<amphi>aero: does it have a hardware 'write-protect' button? ;)
22:19<aero>like it mounted automatically
22:19<faheem>aero: ok. entry in mount?
22:19<aero>amphi I looked for one and can't find it
22:19<amphi>aero: what fileseystem is on it?
22:20<aero>amphi, nautilus, on ubuntu
22:20<amphi>aero: file -s /dev/whatever would tell you, if you don't know
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22:21<amphi>file system on the usb stick
22:21<aero>ok, I'll go check
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22:22<amphi>aero: if it's ntfs, it might be that the kernel driver does that by default, for safety reasons
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22:24<aero>-s /media/KINGSTON
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22:24<faheem>aero: no, the device, not the mount point
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22:27<basiley>hi all
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22:30<aero>thanks for all the help guys, but I'm giving up for now
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22:32<faheem>hi. anyone familar with usage of ssl-cert with apache on debian lenny? i've previously been making my own certificates, but thought i'd try to use this. however, having trouble getting it to work
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22:38<abrotman>faheem: what about it doesn't work ?
22:39<faheem>abrotman: well, ssl connects are failing
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22:40<faheem>i'm wondering what configuration is necessary in addition to installation, if any
22:40<faheem>is it supposed to work out of the box?
22:40<abrotman>it's supposed to work if you give it the right options/template
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22:41<faheem>abrotman: does it work with what is in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl?
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23:16<firefox>so what would cause a wireless card to just randomly unassociate? I moved the good card to another computer, but when both were in there the "bad" one would still randomly go out.
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23:50<FredRoots>i'm looking for a simple way to juste send mail with my lenny server
23:51<FredRoots>for enabling the php(mail) function
23:52<redeeman>the standard eximd configuration should be able to do that
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23:54<FredRoots>redeeman, can you tell me more ?
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23:55<faheem>ken__: oy
23:55<ken__>quick question, i don't normally turn to IRC, but i simply can't find anything on Google about it, so i'm thinking it may not even be possible
23:55<redeeman>FredRoots: uhm, if you install the eximd thingie, it will be able to do it, eximd is an esmtpd, which one of the preset configs debian helps you setup, works
23:55<faheem>FredRoots: what does enabling the "php(mail) function" mean?
23:55<FredRoots>i would tell php mail()
23:55<ken__>is there any way in a preseed file to indicate LUKS / or a dm-crypt stuff ? i'm thinking i'm just going to have to write a script (which i don't want to do, if i don't have to ... )
23:56<FredRoots>il just want to send mails for php script
23:56<faheem>FredRoots: you'll have to be more explicit
23:56<faheem>FredRoots: you want to enable a MTA?
23:56<FredRoots>from my website
23:56<faheem>FredRoots: not sure i understand you, but you could easily install or configure exim4 or postfix if you want
23:57<ken__>FredRoots: the PHP mail() function relies on a sendmail compatible MTA. from the cli, do aptitude install postfix and everything should work "out of the box" with PHP
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23:57<FredRoots>i'm trying with postfix now
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23:57<FredRoots>i was looking for the best solution
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23:58<faheem>FredRoots: yes, either postfix or exim4 would work for you in that case
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23:58<faheem>do postfix/exim4 gracefully get out of each others way?
23:58<ken__>FredRoots: there's also a multitude of SMTP classes written entirely in PHP that don't rely on the server's MTA -- check out Pear's SMTP class
23:58<faheem>never used postfix, only exim4
23:59<ken__>faheem: get rid of exim4 -- if you're using deb packages, yes, exim4 will be removed when you install postfix
23:59<ken__>no preseeding afficinados here ?
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