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00:03<nuscire>Hi, guys. My evince renders image-based PDF file ugly. the same as yours? I'm using testing.
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00:12<int_80h>wouldn't know, i use acroread :P
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00:15<git-hi9h>HardwareFreak, I split partitions / from /home so to avoid the problems of installing. Now would be a great time it sounds like.
00:16<HardwareFreak>nah, I'm going to figure out what's stopping the kernel from loading. It gets half way through the boot process before it dies, right after mounting /
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00:20<git-hi9h>HardwareFreak, never had that prob, is hda bootable?
00:22<HardwareFreak>git-hi9h: yes it boots. Just can't get sda booting yet after copying everything over and running lilo against /dev/sda. I'm getting closer. I'm reading now about cloned disks having the kernel stop at the exact place in the boot process where mine does: Warning: unable to open an initial console.
00:24<git-hi9h>hmm, i would stop the hairpulling, clean install, and copy data over later.
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00:35<HardwareFreak>I think I'm getting closer
00:36<HardwareFreak>I hadn't copied over /dev and /proc and shit, as I thought the kernel creates these on the fly. I think I was wrong about that, esp in the case of /dev/console. I think that's what's causing the problem, according to a post I found.
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00:53<bithive>Does anyone know why options set in /etc/modprobe.d/forcedeth would get picked up when I do "rmmod forcedeth; modprobe forcedeth" but not between reboots?
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01:05<HardwareFreak>copying /dev from the old drive to the new one allowed it to boot. The downside is my server don't seem to want to boot the off board sata card while the primary IDE disk is enabled. So, if I need to get anything off of it down the road, I may have to install it in another machine and transfer the data via sneakers and thumb drive
01:05<HardwareFreak>but hay, I finally got it working!!!! fuck'n A kick-ass w00t :)
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01:08<jm_>booting is handled by BIOS
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01:15<gsimmons>bithive: You need to include the module options in your initramfs image: update-initramfs -u
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01:17<bithive>gsimmons: I'll give that a try, thanks
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01:19<HardwareFreak>jm_: sorry. Possibly wrong terminology How about: "I finally got the kernel to fully initialize without freezing." Is that better?
01:19<jm_>HardwareFreak: sure
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01:23<HardwareFreak>jm_: you should be proud of me. I fully migrated a system from a 40GB IDE to a 500GB SATA, going from onboard piix IDE to off board PCI SATA card. Self compiled kernel (as always), which meant I had to do a new kernel build with sata_sil and SCSI disk support (missed SCSI disk the first time round...grr). I setup the new partitions on the new drive, formatted, copied all the files over...
01:23<HardwareFreak>...with cp -a and fought with lilo for a while. After half a day, the system is now booting from the new SATA disk and working great.
01:23<HardwareFreak>jm_: and with little hand holding here in #debian. I didn't hop on here til I ran into troubles for which Google had no answers indexed.
01:24<jm_>HardwareFreak: would be easier if you tried to use debian kernelto start with I suppose, but yeah I go through this each time I upgrade hardware
01:24<HardwareFreak>jm_: of course, now I get to monitor logs and sleuth around to see what's broken (hopefully nothing, or not much)
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01:28<HardwareFreak>jm_: this is my first iteration of this. In the past I'd just done new installs and copied config/data files afterward. I wanted to do an in-place upgrade instead, mainly because it's my production Postfix firewall/gateway. In this case I was only upgrading the HD and controller, not the entire machine. Each time the new drive failed to boot, I quickly booted off the old drive to keep the...
01:28<HardwareFreak>...inbound queue up.
01:29<jm_>HardwareFreak: I just boot from USB to fix such stuff
01:31<HardwareFreak>jm_: this particular machine is so old it doesn't have USB boot option. Floppy, cd-rom, and HD only (or a controller with BIOS such as SCSI or SATA).
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01:33<jm_>HardwareFreak: ahh the joy of old hardware, like my p3 firewall which is waiting for new atom platform to replace it with
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01:34<HardwareFreak>jm_: it's an old dual 500 intel 440bx board, circa 1998 or so. Still works well for its use. My mail load is fairly light, actually small enough that this box is overkill lol. But I 2nd and 3rd duty it for web/ftp and file storage
01:35<jm_>HardwareFreak: same here, I don't really need more power, but I'd like it to be more efficient, current one is idling at about 48-50W
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01:37<HardwareFreak>jm_: I'm ashamed, and proud in an odd way, to say that I have a dual Pentium 166 with 80MB of RAM and two 9GB seagate barracuda scsi drives on a AMI RAID controller, which has NT4 and Exchange 5.5 I dump my mail from the firewall to it, and hit it via Thunderbird IMAP lol. It's getting really long in the tooth, but hay, it works ok for its purpose. :)
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01:40<HardwareFreak>jm_: now that I've got this nice new single platter 500GB sata drive in the mail gatway, I'm wanting to take the plung and install dovecoat, or maybe just switch to local delivery and pop it. If I pop it though, I'll lose my folder structure in tbird. I'm thinking that if I go dovecoat imap, then I could just create all the same folders via tbird, and just copy all the emails over from the...
01:40<HardwareFreak>...folders on Exchange.
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01:41<jm_>HardwareFreak: yeah or with IMAP for exchange any IMAP capable MUA will work
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01:42<HardwareFreak>jm_: not sure what you meant. I'm already using IMAP with Exchange. The question is, can I connect tbird to another IMAP server and copy the mail from one imap folder on one server to another folder on another IMAP server?
01:44<jm_>HardwareFreak: can't say for tbird since I never used it but I suppose this method will work - copy to local storage, copy from there to new imap server
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01:50<bgupta>Hi does anyone know if kfreebsd has an irc channel?
01:50<gsimmons>bgupta: #debian-kbsd on this network.
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01:51<bgupta>gsimmons: Thansk!
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01:53<HardwareFreak>jm_: is 78MB/s reported from hdparm -t --direct /dev/sda, and 50MB/s without --direct, slow for a single platter 500GB 7200rpm Western Digital sata drive? The tests I read showed it averaged 98MB/s and peaked at like 129MB/s. Those tests were with Windows aftermarket test utils. Is hdparm just different, or do I need to tweak my sata config? I've not found ways yet to tweak it. hdparm...
01:54<HardwareFreak>...won't let me change hardly anything.
01:54<sney>remember that you're still limited by the bandwidth constraints of the 440BX chipset
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01:55<sney>should still give you, theoretically, something like 133MB/s but that's assuming no other traffic from anything else
01:55<HardwareFreak>sney: yea, 133MB/s PCI bus, and 800MB/s memory bus.
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01:56<sney>windows also plays fast and loose with writes
01:56<sney>linux utilities will generally give more reality-based figures
01:56<HardwareFreak>sney: yeah, the only other device in the system being used is a Pro100 PCI ethernet card. It's load is minimal, with ssh traffic and an inbound email every few minutes.
01:56<jm_>HardwareFreak: hdparm is useless, you can use dd to mimic most of those tests or bonnie++
01:57<HardwareFreak>jm_: what disk test util will give the most realistic/accurate numbers?
01:57<jm_>HardwareFreak: 50MB/s is normal if it's reading near the end of the drive, it would probably hit about 90-100 if not more at the beginning
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01:57<sney>HardwareFreak: and the onboard IDE controller with your / on it.
01:57<jm_>HardwareFreak: bonnis++ is ok for some generic numbers
01:57<HardwareFreak>jm_: how do we know where it's reading?
01:58<HardwareFreak>sney: the onboard controller and the old IDE hd have been disabled. / is now on the new drive, along with /boot and everything else. It's fully migrated now.
01:58<jm_>HardwareFreak: sector number, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null is beginning, add 'skip=450GB' for the end
01:59<jmarsden>HardwareFreak: Or use smaller partitions than 1 partition per drive , and choose where bonnie puts its files appropriately.
01:59<jm_>simply ctrl-c it and it will report the average number
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02:02<HardwareFreak>jm_: one more time with the dd command line? If I just want to test the beginning, which I assume is the outer tracks first, as it will give the highest numbers.
02:02<HardwareFreak>jm_: i'm not familiar with dd at all
02:03<jm_>HardwareFreak: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null<enter> :)
02:03<HardwareFreak>jm_: you better not be giving me a command to erase a half day's work...
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02:04*HardwareFreak thinks he needs to read up on man dd before attempting this
02:04<jm_>HardwareFreak: naah if= specifies where to read from, of= where to put it
02:04<jm_>inputfile and outputfile
02:04<HardwareFreak>jm_: does dd automatically start at sector 0? or sector 1 or whatever? On the outer edge of the platter?
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02:06<HardwareFreak>1271644160 bytes (1.3 GB) copied, 29.7401 s, 42.8 MB/s
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02:06<HardwareFreak>hah, hdparm gives higher numbers even going through the buffers
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02:07<sam_>I'd like to use screen and split my "screen" into regions
02:07<HardwareFreak>Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.03 seconds = 50.13 MB/sec
02:07<sam_>but it still doesn't work
02:08<HardwareFreak>jm_: are there any sata tweakables as there are with hdparm and IDE?
02:09<HardwareFreak>jm_: is it possible something should have been enabled by default that wasn't? I already checked 32 PCI xfers and that seems to be enabled for sata_sil
02:10<jm_>HardwareFreak: what kind of CPU is in it?
02:10<HardwareFreak>jm_: also, it's apparently running in UDMA/100 mode instead of UDMA/133. The sata_sil driver defaulted to /100 for some reason, although the drive told the kernel it can do UDMA/133
02:11<jm_>HardwareFreak: even my old 160GB WD can do 60MB/s at the beginning
02:11<HardwareFreak>jm_: dual Pentium II 500
02:11<hscade_>sam_, this is not a significant error-message
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02:12<sam_>I don't get any error message, it says there are no regions
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02:12<jm_>HardwareFreak: my 500G WD at home can do about 85MB/s at the beginning, so yours seems to be limited by CPU speed
02:12<sam_>I don't get it
02:12<jm_>sam_: info screen explains how to use them
02:12<HardwareFreak>jm_: that's what I was thinking. I've got a 120 IDE seagate in my workstation (windows) and the nvidia driver reports it at around 55MB/s average.
02:12<hscade_>sam_, 'it' ? who is 'it'
02:13<jm_>HardwareFreak: sounds about right
02:13<jm_>HardwareFreak: UDMA/100 will not be a big factor here anyway
02:14<jm_>you create a region then select which window to display in it
02:14<HardwareFreak>jm_: my wks is a Athlon XP 2GHz with dual channel nForce2 400 mobo. 6.4GB/s memory b/w.
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02:14<HardwareFreak>jm_: agreed. The sata bus is clocking at 1.5Gb/s regardless of the udma mode
02:16<sam_>I make C-a S but it still does not split the screen
02:16<sam_>I do*
02:17<HardwareFreak>jm_: are there any sata tweakables in linux/debian?
02:17<jm_>make sure you press ctrl-a, release ctrl, then press S
02:17<HardwareFreak>jm_: I say linux first, as my kernel source is from, not debian
02:17<HardwareFreak>jm_: I'm running
02:19<sam_>how can I split verticaly now
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02:19<jm_>HardwareFreak: sure, look in /sys/block/sda/device
02:20<jm_>or /sys/block/sda in general
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02:21<HardwareFreak>jm_: anything out of whack here?
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02:25<sney>you still using that wonky unsupported custom kernel?
02:26<HardwareFreak>sney: who you call'n 'wonky'? ;)
02:26<sney>the guy with bizarre disk issues
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02:27<HardwareFreak>sney: Building my own kernels helps me learn, keeps me sharp.
02:28*HardwareFreak tells himself that anyway, regardless of the truth in the statement
02:28<sam_>how can I split verticaly
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02:28<cew_cute>kok ktawa
02:28<sney>if that were really true you wouldn't have come in here (or earlier on freenode) for "oh god where is my /dev/sda help"
02:28<sney>but oh well at least you got it working
02:28<jm_>HardwareFreak: no
02:28<sney>cew_cute: english channel
02:29<sney>... hi
02:29<cew_cute>lh knal
02:30<sney>Usually I'm pretty good at guessing the languages but I'm drawing a blank this time
02:30<cew_cute>q gak bsa bhs inggris
02:30<sam_>ok sney
02:31<sam_>I'm gonna show you a language
02:31<sam_>guess what it is
02:31<sam_>j'aime la distribution debian
02:31<sney>that looks like french
02:32<sney>you also said that you love debian. awwwwww
02:33<sam_>do you know how I can split verticaly
02:33<sam_>with screen
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02:33<sney>nope, but I suspect you might have some answers in man screen
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02:51<HardwareFreak>jm_: Timing cached reads: 212 MB in 2.01 seconds = 105.72 MB/sec
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02:52<HardwareFreak>jm_: given that's memory to memory copy by the kernel, in essence, you think 78MB/s for direct disk read about right given 105MB/s for straight memory performance?
02:53<HardwareFreak>jm_: and 50MB/s from disk to buffers?
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02:53<jm_>HardwareFreak: cached means cached in disk I believe, not cached in memory
02:53<HardwareFreak>jm_: man hdparm says thats just the linux buffers
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02:54<jm_>HardwareFreak: so much for never bothering to read what the -T option does in all this years ;)
02:54<jm_>these years
02:54<HardwareFreak>This displays the speed of reading directly from the Linux buffer cache without disk access.
02:55<jm_>HardwareFreak: yeah, don't forget actually reading from the disk involes a lot of other stuff too
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02:55<HardwareFreak>jm_: would you mind running hdparm -T /dev/your_disk for comparison?
02:56<HardwareFreak>jm_: and then hdparm -t --direct /dev/your_disk
02:56<jmarsden>HardwareFreak: For a "HardwardFreak" that's a very low number, BTW, I'm seeing Timing cached reads: 12354 MB in 2.00 seconds = 6191.26 MB/sec here
02:56<HardwareFreak>jm_: and then tell me what kind/type/size/rpm disk you have? ;)
02:56<jm_>HardwareFreak: I am at work now, can't check at home (this is athlon64 3200): Timing cached reads: 1334 MB in 2.00 seconds = 667.98 MB/sec
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02:57<HardwareFreak>jm_: do hdparm -t --direct /dev/your_boot_disk please
02:58<HardwareFreak>jm_: that last test will tell us how dependent disk speed is on memory b/w
02:58<jm_>HardwareFreak: 60MB/s, this is as much as this disk can do
02:59<jmarsden>HardwareFreak: It's not, unless you have very slooow memory :)
02:59<sney>he's got pc133 at best
02:59<sney>probably pc100
02:59<sney>what are your standards for very slooooooow
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02:59<HardwareFreak>yeah, I'm beginning to think this BX platform with old PC100 isn't going to allow this 500GB sata drive to really sing
03:00<jm_>especially not single platter drive, well for sequential stuff only anyway
03:00<sney>I probably wouldn't use that many Os in my "slow" until you get to the EDO stuff with speeds measured in nanoseconds
03:00<sney>though that sun machine I had wasn't too pokey
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03:01<HardwareFreak>and my pci bus is only running at 31MHz instead of 33. Had to slightly clock it down or the CPUs lock. They're overclocked from 366 to around ~506. Going much above that and the machine acts wacky. Still my PCI bandwidth is still in the 120s.
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03:02<sney>not every board is a BH6. you're probably pushing the VRMs more than you should.
03:02<HardwareFreak>mine is a BP6, actually. Heheh. I'm running one of the few dual celery boards left functioning on the face of the planet. ;)
03:02<sney>they are going like this: HRRRRRRRRRNGGGGGGGGHHHHH
03:03*HardwareFreak has the first mobo on earth with soft BIOS.
03:03*HardwareFreak is still using it, in a production system!
03:04<sney>I had a dual-370 early DDR board in my main workstation for a while
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03:04<HardwareFreak>I actually felt kinda guilty sticking a sata PCI card in it, as it could do 8 HDs with just the inbuilt mobo IDE chips, piix3 + HPT366
03:04<sney>that was a rare duck, almost nobody had them
03:04<sney>eww highpoint
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03:06<HardwareFreak>Yeah, the Abit BP6 was the shit man. It's the only dual celeron only board every produced. One of a kind. And it has a helluva feature set, did for it's day. It was stacked. New it was over $200, at that was 1997/98'ish.
03:07<HardwareFreak>I could have bought an IDE version of this WD SATA 500, and connected it to the highpoint. But i've had problems booting drives off the highpoint in the past, so I went with the "safe" bet of a PCI SATA card with BIOS.
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03:09<HardwareFreak>jm_: say, your system there is pushing timing cached reads at near peak memory speed, just under 6.4GB/s, assuming you're running dual channel DDR400. That's almost 1:1. I'm pushing 105MB/s cached reads, and my memory bandwidth is 800MB/s, or about 1:8. That's gotta be a kernel problem on this mobo, no?
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03:12<jm_>HardwareFreak: yeah it is dual channel; I doubt it's a problem as such, it's just as much as the architecture allows
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03:14<jm_>now I shall go and collect my 8G USB drive, I hope it delivers the speed it promises
03:15<HardwareFreak>jm_: if down time wasn't an issue, I could jerk the card and drive outta the server, throw em in my winders pc, load the driver and test. Thought I don't have a benchy prog for winders, cept the built in nvidia, and that wouldn't work for an outboard sata disk.
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03:17<jm_>HardwareFreak: there's lots of free windows disk test tools out there
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03:18<jm_>HardwareFreak: but I wouldn't bother since you know the disk can go faster, but keep in mind this is only true for sequential accesses, for random ones your hardware is way faster than disk can do
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03:21<HardwareFreak>jm_: I need to just be satisfied. I know the disk is faster, because it's ultra modern. The platform is slow, and old. However, I went from a 40GB disk that was only running hdparm --direct at 7MB/s due to a drive defect. I'm now running --direct at 78MB/s, and normal at 50MB/s. Going with the normal test, it's over 7 times faster than the old disk. And that's just with a single less...
03:21<HardwareFreak>...than optimal test benchy. Real world, I'm sure this new sata disk is likely 10 times faster, especially on random IO. / is only a 35GB partition, and it's at the start of the disk.
03:22<dominique>Hi! I just installed debian and the GNOME Desktop. Everytime i start the PC, my CPU speaker beeps during the login screen and also whenever the terminal generates errors... how do i get rid of this?
03:22<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>.
03:22<dominique>ty jm_
03:23<jm_>you can disable bash bell by reading 'man readline'
03:23<jm_>ahh yeah dpkg knows it
03:23<jm_>!shell beep
03:23<dpkg>from memory, shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm.
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03:25<dominique>sorry to be stupid, but does that mean i hve to include the line "bell-style none" in my ~/.inputrc?
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03:34<HardwareFreak>jm_: I gotta get some sleep. 'Nite all. Thanks for the help everyone, especially you jm_
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03:41<jm_>HardwareFreak: good night
03:42<cwwekkx>good evening
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04:02<laurent>hi, how can I update a security package with aptitude safe-upgrade ?
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04:03<laurent>a bind9, dns upgrade is available for my machine but when I # aptitude safe-upgrade then
04:03<jm_>aptitude install foo
04:03<jm_>don't forget to run aptitude update first
04:03<laurent>it returns folowing packages have been kept back ...
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04:04<laurent>hello jm_:, yes I # aptitude update ˇ aptitude safe-upgrade
04:04<laurent>but the conerned packages have been kept back by aptitude safe-upgrade
04:04<jm_>laurent: see above, aptitude install ...
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04:05<laurent>jm_: are you saying that i have to manually specify the packages to upgrade ?
04:05<laurent>using # aptitude install foo ?
04:05<laurent>instead of # aptitude safe-upgrade ?
04:05<jm_>laurent: normally you shouldn't, but there must be some reason why it requires it
04:06<laurent>I read that page
04:06<laurent>what could be the reason jm_ ?
04:06<jm_>just run aptitude install and read what it says, it should explain some stuff
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04:07<jm_>laurent: you mean where it says about removing? that's a typical reason for kept-back yes
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04:08<laurent>jm_: yes, reading this statement I understood that some packages won't be upgraded
04:09<laurent>even if these packages have security issue, is that a right assumption ?
04:09<laurent>i just # aptitude install
04:09<jm_>laurent: I would expect this not to be the case for security update
04:09<laurent>and it returns the same : "Following packages have been automatically kept back"
04:10<laurent>jm_: me too, it is may be the case, i am just noobing here with aptitude and upgrades
04:11<jm_>laurent: did you check the output of apt-cache policy?
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04:16<jm_>apt* install always helped me with kept back stuff, except if policy is screwed, i.e. wrong default release or somesuch
04:18<laurent>jm_: thank you for teaching me the apt-cache policy command
04:18<laurent>the result is that I have a candidat package installable
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04:18<laurent>shoudl I then # aptitude install my-package-candidate-version ?
04:19<jm_>laurent: put the output on some pastebin site
04:19<laurent>in order to supersede the safe-upgrade and automatic kapt back stuff ?
04:19<laurent>:( it is not en
04:19<jm_>LANG=C apt-cache policy ...
04:21<laurent>ok (it is debian based not debian)
04:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:21<jm_>try asking there, they should be able to help you better
04:21<shadowlee>hi,i need know if is possible add quota of user, in the file system jfs
04:22<laurent>ok jm_ thanks !
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04:22<jm_>laurent: I have to go now otherwise I could look too
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05:31<OltreIrc`15699>ciao a tutti amici
05:31<dpkg>oltreirc`15699: VATTENE VIA
05:31<OltreIrc`15699>xche ho fatto qualcosa
05:31<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:48<error0327>hii all
05:49<error0327>can any one tell me what wrong in
05:49<error0327>if [ "hloo" == "$b" ];
05:49<error0327>hloo is just a string
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05:51<jmm>error0327: can you show a bigger part of your script ?
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05:52<jm_>mma n [ : STRING1 = STRING2
05:52<jm_>it's not ==
05:52<jm_>gah should say: man [
05:52<error0327>ah ok
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05:53<error0327>the same ok the script
05:53<error0327>while [ $a != 10000 ]
05:53<error0327> do
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05:54<jmm>jm_: still == seems to works in this if.
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05:55<error0327>Working ...
05:55<error0327>./BatAlarm: line 12: [Discharging: command not found
05:55<error0327>that what i get
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05:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
05:57<error0327>i dont understand way debhelper kick me out
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05:57<jm_>jmm: maybe it works in some shells yes
05:57<error0327>ahhh ok
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05:58<error0327>it must work in any shell
05:59<error0327>if ["Discharging" = "$b" ];
05:59<error0327>some think not good in these
05:59<error0327>any idea
05:59<jm_>put a s[ace after [
05:59<error0327>ok i try that
06:00<error0327>it work now
06:00<error0327>thanks alot
06:01<error0327>just a space !!! lol
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06:03<DebZhila>hmm... can debomatic use module-assistant? (I'm looking to automate module-assistant within a chroot environment created by debootstrap, and just noticed debomatic)
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07:14<waer01>hi guys, how do I enable my sound card through console? I've enabled ethernet with command ifconfig eth0 up but sound card seems to be disabled
07:15<Torsten_W>waer01, does cat /proc/asound/cards show your soundcard?
07:16<waer01>HDA-inter - HDA intel
07:16<waer01>HDA-intel - HDA intel
07:16<diggy>and what says mplayer?
07:16<Torsten_W>waer01, you have checked the mixer-settings?
07:17<waer01>mixer is without a card and cross on it
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07:19<waer01>when I've opened system->settings->hardware->sound there says SALSA Synth devices: not enabled in config
07:20<waer01>midi devices: not enabled in config
07:20<Getty>someone any idea how i come inside a udev rule to the device name of the device? i plugin some usb and it startup my rule, but all ENV i get just gives other device names i cant use in my programs (i want to come to the /dev/sda, so that i can use this in parted)
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07:20<Getty>oh and i got several USB devices plugged in at once, so i cant use SYMLINK=
07:20<craigevil>waer01: try modprobe snd_hda_intel
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07:22<waer01>craigevil: it appears to do output
07:22<waer01>is there any salsa config through konsole ?
07:25<waer01>could you tell me plz a link where I can find all terminal commands ? better with a search option if available
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07:27<jm_>waer01: 'amixer scontents' shows current mixer settings for default device
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07:35<waer01>it shows me options but I need to enable my sound card lol
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07:37<jm_>shows what options?
07:37<jm_>if /proc/asound/cards lists its name the driver is already loaded
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07:39<waer01>will show you a picture soon
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07:40<jm_>don't, use a pastebin instead
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07:42<jm_>looks ok to me
07:42<jm_>what does speaker-test do
07:43<waer01>maybe it tests your connected output devices
07:44<waer01>your speakers
07:44<jm_>just run it and listen for noise
07:45<waer01>no sound
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07:46<jm_>what kind of connectors does your card have?
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07:47<waer01>as you see in the picture near the clock kmixer is with a red's because I have no sound card enabled
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07:48<waer01>I'm sure of that because it clearly says in the picture that it's not enabled in the left configure meniu
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07:50<jm_>you don't understand what synth and midi are for
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07:54<jm_>I have no idea what that red icon represents, it might mean muted, but amixer output doesn't agree
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07:56<waer01>but when you open kmixer there needs to be a card listed in the "current mixer"
07:57<jm_>hmm I'm affraid I never used kmixer so I have no idea how it works, which device did speaker-test use?
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08:08<waer01>Playback device is default it says
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08:09<jm_>and you have no ~/.asoundrc file? check which connector you ar eusing - it also mentioned a "pswitch" for several mixers
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08:11<waer01>how should I check it ?
08:12<jm_>well check physically where your output device is plugged in
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08:13<waer01>phisically I have no speakers but sound comes out of PC's integrated somewhere because in windows xp it words and I can hear the sound
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08:13<jm_>is it a laptop?
08:13<kurumin>algum brasileiro?
08:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:14<waer01>no hp small form dx5700
08:15<cahoot>waer01: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 already run?
08:15<jm_>heh we have dc7xxx at work
08:15<jm_>i can only find dc5700
08:17<waer01>it dc5800 sorry
08:18<waer01>cahoot: here's what I've got
08:18<jm_>hp page says it has built-in speaker, but doesn't mention anything else
08:19<jm_>you can use snd-pcspkr module for that
08:19<waer01>but sound works in xp so it has to work in linux. no ?
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08:19<jm_>what kind of sound works in xp?
08:19<cahoot>waer01: so what corresponds to card0 according to cat /proc/asound/cards?
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08:20<cahoot>i e NIL?
08:21<jm_>waer01: please use a pastebin
08:21<waer01>jm_ : sound comes out of the box I dunno lol :) how should I enable that snd-pcspkr ?
08:21<jm_>waer01: unload the snd-hda module and modprobe it, like you did before
08:21<jm_>modprobe snd-pcspkr
08:22<jm_>my bet is this would work for you if you had speakers/headphones connected
08:22<cahoot>waer01: run alsa force-reload && /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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08:22<waer01>I should write it into run ?
08:23<jm_>waer01: in konsole, as root
08:23<jm_>but I doubt it will help, your problem is you have no output device connected
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08:27<waer01>jm_ those paste sites don't work for me..I must accept rules or whatever is said there..why I can't paste a link to a picture ?
08:28<waer01>none of them let me upload a picture lol
08:28<cahoot>don't know how to cut and paste text?
08:28<jm_>waer01: because picture is a total overkill for this, use
08:29<jm_>next we'll get a pic pasted in word document
08:30<waer01>I've pasted this from the links you said now :)
08:30<cahoot>waer01: and speaker-test -t wav -c2 ?
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08:31<jm_>waer01: sorry module name is snd-pcsp
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08:34<jcdubacq>I have a question about aptitude
08:34<jcdubacq>aptitude search ~i~b should indicate installed packages with broken dependencies
08:34<cahoot>waer01: the same result if you run speaker-test as root?
08:35<jcdubacq>on my box, I get for example: iB firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel
08:35<jcdubacq>but there are no dependencies for f-l-n! (so I do not understand what is broken)
08:36<waer01>yes the same..I have run it as root and it showed the same
08:37<jcdubacq>moving to #devel then
08:37<jm_>waer01: try using the pcsp module
08:37<waer01>Playback device is default Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
08:38<waer01>ok I don't care about sound here in job :) what should I do if I want to enable it at home in my laptop ?
08:38<jm_>doesn't it work out of the box?
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08:39<waer01>it doesn' do I enable pcsp module ?
08:39<jm_>ok then it's best if you join when using laptop so it can be debugged
08:40<waer01>ok thanks :)
08:41<waer01>what command shows network devices ? even which are not enabled ?
08:42<jm_>lspci typically
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08:50<Jarlaxe>hi folk ! still on my way with my bugs, i gonna try to reinstall X server and soud. What are package i should reinstall then ? I had several X and sound bugs after an upgrade on a lenny/sid 2.6.30 installed on SDcard with lxde on a eeepc701.
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08:55<zumbi>jmm: hi
08:55<jmm>hi zumbi :)
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08:56<Lethalman>Jarlaxe, what are your problems?
08:59<Jarlaxe>no sound anymore, if screensaver launch, Xserver gets out, (no log found), resolution and display pb, 1st session after boot if resolution changed, basic resolution after boot is 600x480, etc, etc
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09:12<uldics>How do I overclock the eeepc 701 to its normal speed (900MHz)? It stays downclocked to 630MHz. I have KDE4 on it. "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz" gives me 630.042 allways.
09:12<Jarlaxe>uldics: you upgrade the BIOS firmware
09:12<jm_>uldics: what does cpufreq-info say?
09:13<uldics>No or unqnown cpufreq driver is active on this cpu
09:13<jm_>ok so that's not it then
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09:15<uldics>And additional info, I have Squeeze on it
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09:17<Jarlaxe>uldics: u just need to upgrade the BIOS
09:17<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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09:33<rjent>Titan8990: I tried the not including a mount point and you were correct! Many thanks!
09:33<rjent>On my d-i installer string in case you forgot.
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09:36<Titan8990>rjent, ah, excellent :)
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09:37<tobip>hello, is this the correct place when i need help installing debian?
09:39<Jarlaxe>tobip: FAQ
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09:45<locklace>!tell tobip about ask
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09:46<tobip>ah yes... i tried to install debian 5.0.3 amd64 on my pc
09:46<tobip>installation was successful, but when i want to boot, there are just coloured vertical lines
09:47<locklace>can you boot to single-user mode
09:47<tobip>dont know... i will try.. wait
09:47<cbmuser>hei, anyone having trouble with gnome on testing at the moment, too?
09:48<cbmuser>I still can't dist-upgrade atm
09:48<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
09:48<cbmuser>locklace: hehe, ok
09:48<cbmuser>I was about to pase
09:48<cbmuser>wait a second
09:49<Jarlaxe>cbmuser: no flood please
09:49<cbmuser>of course, not
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09:50<tobip>locklace: yes i can boot single-user mode, entered my root pwd and now?
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09:51<locklace>tobip: so your x configuration is hosed. modify your startup to not start x automatically, then boot normally and start troubleshooting x
09:51<cbmuser>ah, epiphany-extensions-more seems to be the culprit
09:52<cbmuser>it breaks with swfdec-mozilla
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09:53<tobip>oh, its the first time i am using linux, s i need a much more detailed tutorial what i have do...
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09:53<jmm>tobip: this mean you problly have a problem with X configuration.
09:54<jmm>tobip: check out X's log in /var/log
09:54<dr|z3d>tobip: Choose a distro that meets your experience level unless you want it hard.
09:55<locklace>tobip: you can try 'echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager' as root and then reboot
09:55<dr|z3d>(Debian is a poor choice for a newb Linux user who expects everything to "just work")
09:55<tobip>dr|z3d: i already tried ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu, it is everytime the same error
09:55<cahoot>at least when it doesn't
09:55<dr|z3d>tobip: Ah, ok. So it's a display driver issue, then. Fugly.
09:56<dr|z3d>tobip: Starting with the framebuffer driver is a good way to go.
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09:57<tobip>ok.. how can i do that?
09:57<rah>I use kernel-package to make kernel packages; why don't I have any initramfs images in /boot?
09:58<locklace>rah: because you didn't read the kernel-package documentation
09:58<rah>I call make-kpkg --initrd
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09:58<dr|z3d>tobip: You'll need to open /etc/X11/xorg.cong in a text editor firstly.
09:58<dr|z3d>so try nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root.
09:58<tobip>ok i have it open
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09:59<locklace>dr|z3d: i told him to do the thing above to avoid having to do all this in single-user mode
09:59<rah>locklace: I've read the man pages; is that the documentation you were referring to?
09:59<tobip>maybe i have to mention that i have two graphics cards in my pc... does this matter?
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09:59<rah>locklace: I can't seem to find any other documentation
10:00<locklace>rah: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
10:00<locklace>rah: search for "initramfs"
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10:03<cahoot>rah: and you're definitiely sure you even need an initramfs?
10:03<BlackFate>i got gcc updates to 4.4 .. is it safe now to remove 4.3?
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10:04<tobip>locklace: i typed the line above and have now rebooted.
10:04<rah>locklace: I've read all that
10:04<rah>cahoot: yes, I need an initramfs
10:04<rah>locklace: I've read all that before
10:04<rah>locklace: I still don't have any initramfs images in /boot
10:06<tobip>locklace: now i am able to log in the bash... how can i get some GUI to my linux?
10:06<rah>locklace: why do you think that not having read the kernel-package documentation is the reason I don't have any initramfs images in /boot?
10:06<Titan8990>tobip, install one or `startx`
10:06<cbmuser>locklace: totem is not installable on testing at the moment
10:07<cbmuser>totem-plugins depends on libgmyth0
10:07<cbmuser>which is not available anymore
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10:11<locklace>rah: because the documentation tells you what you need to do to arrange for initrd images to be created
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10:12<locklace>tobip: can you paste the output of "dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video", "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and "lspci -knn" at
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10:16<rah>locklace: evidently it does not
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10:19<rah>locklace: I don't have any initramfs images in /boot
10:19<locklace>rah: this is an absurd conversation. giving up now
10:19*cyres is away: Ich bin beschäftigt
10:19<dr|z3d>Did we get tobip on fbdev?
10:19<BlackFate>i got gcc updates to 4.4 .. is it safe now to remove 4.3? using debian sid
10:20<rah>I use kernel-package to make kernel packages, with make-kpkg --initrd; why don't I have any initramfs images in /boot?
10:20<dr|z3d>cyres: Please lose the autoaway notification on your script. We don't care!
10:20<perk>rah, do you have do_initrd = yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf?
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10:20<rah>perk: yes
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10:22<perk>rah, sry, i haven't followed the conversation. can you run mkinitramfs manually?
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10:22<dpkg>ch is probably Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
10:23<perk>what? no?
10:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:23<rah>perk: I can run it manually, yes
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10:24<perk>rah, and what happens then?
10:24<rah>perk: it creates an initramfs image file
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10:24<perk>rah, cool.
10:25<rah>not cool
10:25<perk>rah, at least mkinitramfs works. take it in steps.
10:25<perk>rah, btw, what do you mean when you say that make-kpkg --initrd does not create ramdisks in /boot?
10:26<rah>I mean make-kpkg --initrd generates .deb files, I install those .deb files using dpkg, and after I've installed them there are no initramfs images in /boot
10:27<perk>rah, do you supply --rootcmd?
10:27<rah>my grub1 menu.lst contains no image specifications, either
10:28<rah>I don't supply --rootcmd but I run "fakeroot make-kpkg" instead
10:28<rah>I'm not sure that that would make much of a difference, though
10:28<perk>and you run make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image?
10:29<rah>fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --arch-in-name --revision $revision_string --append-to-version -$version_string kernel_image kernel_headers
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10:29<perk>what flavour of debian do you use?
10:30<rah>rah@myrtle:/usr/src$ cat /etc/debian_version
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10:34<perk>rah, can you create ramdisks with update-initramfs?
10:35<perk>rah, is there any ramdisk included in the deb?
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10:38<locklace>seriously - read the documentation.
10:39<locklace>this is all discussed to death in the manual and the NEWS.Debian, and in
10:39<locklace>!dbugs 524499
10:39<dpkg>DONE:#524499:M[kernel-package] kernel-package: fails to build initrd and make a non-compliant .deb from vanilla 2.6.27 source (moreinfo); Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:00:04 UTC [525032]
10:39<perk>hah, see there
10:41<rah>perk: there's no ramdisk in the deb, no
10:42<perk>rah, do what locklace suggests. i had no idea of this behaviour.
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10:44<rah>locklace: bug #524499 is not mentioned in the manual
10:46<rah>locklace: nor can I find any mention of that bug in NEWS.Debian
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10:47<tobip>locklace: - -
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10:48<rah>locklace: bug #524499 doesn't seem to be relevant
10:49<rah>I use kernel-package to make kernel packages, with make-kpkg --initrd and initramfs-tools has installed scripts into /etc/kernel/postinst.d/; why don't I have any initramfs images in /boot?
10:50<cahoot>rah: I might be mistaken but get the impression you need create the initramfs explicitly
10:51<beer>do 1 of you use pidgin from debian stable with msn?
10:51<rah>cahoot: if that's the case, why would there be a script in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ ?
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10:53<locklace>tobip: ok. so x is picking the nv driver which is the right one for your card, but since the actual display is failing there's either a driver problem or more likely it's defaulting to a video mode that your screen can't handle
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10:54<tobip>locklace: ok maybe it is because of i have 2 graphics cards installed (= output to three monitors)?
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10:55<locklace>tobip: so you have two options. first is to get into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try setting some modes or video options explicitly; "man xorg.conf" explains the format of this file, and more info and examples are available online
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10:55<locklace>tobip: other option is to fall back to a generic x video driver like framebuffer or vesa. this will probably work but give you low performance
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10:56<locklace>tobip: yeah, that can make the x config a little more confusing than it otherwise would be
10:56<locklace>tobip: if you don't mind doing some learning, my advice is to start learning about xorg.conf and use it to try selecting some different video modes
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10:57<tobip>locklace: ok thanks, i will try and learn this xorg.conf, and maybe come back later
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11:00<mohan43u>howto install nvidia-glx?
11:00<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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11:02<kilelme>i have problem
11:02<kilelme>i cannot adjust brightness with Fn key (i use acer aspire 4810T)
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11:03<kilelme>and i have read some article , that said have ugrade bios
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11:03<kilelme>can i have some solution
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11:04<kilelme>i have follow step in
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11:05<cahoot>kilelme: I was pointing to the clumsy method of using the app xbacklight
11:05<kilelme>but he was using bios 2.30
11:06<kilelme>if i use xbacklight, fn key should work?
11:07<kilelme>or i was upgrade my bios?
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11:10<kilelme>what i must do to fix this problem?
11:10<toad_>my x server consistently segfaults; bugs suggest i should try the sid version of the server which might fix it; i am having trouble with pinning, is it possible that the only way to try the new server is to upgrade wholesale to sid?
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11:10<perk>toad_, what problems do you have with pinning?
11:11<kilelme>i cannot adjust brightness with Fn key (i use acer aspire 4810T)
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11:14<toad_>well, either it installs the version from lenny, or it tries to install half of sid, depending on whether i have a preferences file
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11:15<kilelme>i use lenny now with fresh install
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11:16<Rhapsody>I'm on Debian testing here, and a recent(ish) update removed several font packages. Since then, certain characters (most notably kanji) no longer display, giving unicode placeholders instead. What the hell happened and how do I fix this?
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11:18<Rhapsody>It seems testing does have an annoying habit of removing obsolete packages, not installing any replacements, and not warning that you're about to lose functionality.
11:18<kilelme>maybe some font missing
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11:18<kilelme>try to install font
11:18<Rhapsody>What font?
11:18<toad_>hmmm, it looks like it's just that upgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel requires upgrading xorg, which forces everything else to be upgraded too ...
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11:19<themill>Rhapsody: packages are never removed without your confirmation.
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11:19<toad_>what are my options? the impression i've got in the past is if you upgrade to sid everyone swears at you and refuses to help you, as well as it occasionally getting messed up in fun ways
11:19<Rhapsody>themill: Yes yes, I'm slowly learning that Debian expects me to be on top of that.
11:20<themill>Yes, we expect you to read. Particularly when you have said that you want to be part of the development process when you installed "testing".
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11:20<toad_>i guess i could install the X server manually?
11:20<Rhapsody>Why do I always end up in this conversation when I come here?
11:21<toad_>i just want an x server for my ancient laptop that doesn't segfault on startup every time :|
11:21<Rhapsody>Not much to ask.
11:21<toad_>i have vesa, but 3d would be nice, and not crashing the whole machine on resolution switching for a game would be nice too
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11:22<toad_>i guess the best i can realistically hope for is figuring out how to do desktop mode in the new wine configuration?
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11:25<toad_>hmmm, at least that was easy
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11:27<Rhapsody>I should really note that I don't even know what the problem is. A lot of font packages were removed, I assumed aptitude knew what it was doing, aptitude assumed I knew what I was doing, and both assumptions were false. Now what?
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11:29<themill>Rhapsody: check the log files for what packages were uninstalled and reinstall them.
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11:30<Rhapsody>Ah, a perfecr example just appeared. What did you see in june's exit message? I see six blocks.
11:31<kilelme>why not just install font
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11:31<Rhapsody>I repeat: "What font?"
11:32<kilelme>i think if some text could not read it have missing font
11:32<themill>kilelme: Rhapsody wants to know specifically which font file or font package he should install.
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11:32<kilelme>before it you have add font?
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11:33<Rhapsody>It would help massively if I knew where the log file I'm looking for is.
11:33<kilelme>if don't you just install basic font linux
11:33<kilelme>like sans serif
11:33<kilelme>or just look what font use in gnome
11:33<themill>Rhapsody: take a random guess
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11:34<Rhapsody>themill: I am going to use that line every time people ask me about Debian support now.
11:35<themill>Rhapsody: ok, let me rephrase that for you since, even though you are in the UK, you evidently know nothing of sarcasm. "Turn on your brain and try looking for yourself rather than asking us to spoonfeed you all the time."
11:36<laurent>hello, why an aptitude safe-upgrade does not install security updates ?
11:36<kilelme>i think that maybe solve your problem
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11:36<laurent>and only aptitude full-upgrade does ?
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11:37<themill>laurent: it should do. Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and tell us specifically what packages we're talking about?
11:37<Rhapsody>themill: I know a lot of sarcasm, I also know the quote "There is a time and a place" and the fact that you would not say that to my face for fear of my fist accidentally hitting your nose.
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11:37<themill>Rhapsody: so you're both clueless and a thug. Great! That's so reassuring for me.
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11:40<Rhapsody>Well then I'm clearly never going to fix this problem. I don't know where the log is because every time I've messed with apt it's been in /etc/apt/, and there's nothing remotely large enough to be a log of all that I've installed and removed.
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11:40<cahoot>never heard of /var/log?
11:41<themill>Remind us why you're running testing again if you don't know your way around a un*x-like system at all?
11:41<tonguim>Please i need help with semaphore; anyone could help me understand something about?
11:41<EagleRock>Rhapsody: you're using aptitude, so why not check the aptitude logs?
11:41<Rhapsody>Because I'm doing the arcane art of slowly learning to improve my ability.
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11:43<Rhapsody>themill: Are you here 24/7 or can I come back when you're not here?
11:43<themill>I'm always here just to taunt you.
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11:43<Rhapsody>I should take another look at Fedora.
11:44<dr|zed>Rhapsody: If you're learning on the hoof, and you're ok with a Debian based system, you might find Ubuntu more suits your need.s
11:44<cahoot>Rhapsody: I think they use /var/log too
11:44<dr|zed>You'll have to learn new stuff with Fedora; Ubuntu is largely the same as Debian.
11:44<themill>or install stable and learn about things where random breakages caused by other people aren't going to hurt you as often
11:44<EagleRock>Rhapsody: you should also not be using testing if you're just learning'll find stable doesn't have these problems
11:44<Titan8990>dr|zed, I disagree
11:45<dr|zed>themill: Sure, stable is a good starting point for newbs; testing definitely isn't.
11:45<Titan8990>dr|zed, ubuntu is not the same as debian... just because it pulls from the same pool of unstable packages and uses the same package manager does not mean they are all that similar
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11:45<Titan8990>entirely different goals and methodology
11:46<dr|zed>Titan8990: Goals and methodolgy aside, they both use apt, not yum. Technically they share more in common than say Debian and Fedora; that was my point.
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11:47<Titan8990>dr|zed, i think ubuntu and fedora share more in common than debian and ubuntu... yum and apt both function similar enough for it to be the same to an end-user
11:48<kdfdg>Anyone know what the 'correct' way to set the system-default screen resolution in lenny is? Looking for a setting that gdm will obey too. I can login as root, set resolution to whatever, save it, but that appears to only be a per-user setting.. there doesnt seem to be a system-default setting, that I can find
11:48<dr|zed>Well then we can agree to differ. :)
11:48<Titan8990>dr|zed, install package in apt? `aptitude install <package>`, in yum? `yum install <package>`
11:48<Rhapsody>Meanwhile, I have actually found my aptitude logs. I'm looking to see if anything looks like it caused this.
11:48<Titan8990>dr|zed, they even keep similar syntax
11:48<themill>dpkg: tell kdfdg about xorg config lenny
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11:49<kdfdg>I'm familiar with xorg.config.. but it that appears to be a stub in modern xorg, and just refers to 'configured video device', 'configured monitor'.. etc..
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11:49<kdfdg>gnome appears to have a per-user setting for resolution.. im wondering where gnome/gdm's system-wide setting is
11:49<kdfdg>not xorgs
11:50<themill>kdfdg: keep reading that factoid...
11:50<Titan8990>kdfdg, i don't think you read the factoid
11:50<Titan8990>kdfdg, with a modern xserver a xorg.conf is not needed in many cases
11:50<kdfdg>I dont want to set *xorgs* resolution.. I want to set gdm's resolution
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11:50<kdfdg>the same way that one can set a gnome session
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11:51<Titan8990>kdfdg, that *might* be dependent on your framebuffer resolution
11:51<kdfdg>I need to set to a lower setting than the max the vidcard supports, becuase I am connecting to a projector that only supports max 800x600
11:51<Titan8990>but im just guessing
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11:51<kdfdg>as I noted, I can log in (the box is connected to a reg monitor for now) and set the resolution for whatever user im logged in as, but then when I logout gdm goes back to something much higher
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11:52<kdfdg>the projector would not be considered a 'plug and play' where its resolution could be detected, either
11:52<Titan8990>kdfdg, try booting with video=uvesafb:800x600-16,mtrr:4,yrap --- again, total guess
11:52<kdfdg>since im connecting via a VGA to RGBVH-5bnc adapter
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11:53<kdfdg>i dont beleive its using framebuffer
11:53<Titan8990>sorry that should be ywrap
11:53<Titan8990>kdfdg, then it must be defined in the gdm configuration file
11:54<kdfdg>which is pretty much empty, has only a comment referring to an online website, which doesn't mention anything remotely similar to screen resolution settings
11:54<kdfdg>and for which there is no manpage
11:54<valdyn>kdfdg: you can set the default resolution in xorg.conf
11:54<Rhapsody>Hah, bullseye! ttf-kochi-gothic was the one I needed.
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11:54<valdyn>kdfdg: you can probably also set it in the X command line. gdm config contains the command line gdm uses
11:54<kdfdg>xorg.conf is set to use the 'configured' monitor, video card, etc..
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11:55<kdfdg>gdm.conf doesnt seem to contain much of anything
11:55<valdyn>kdfdg: "seem" ?
11:55<kdfdg>i need to set the resolution that gdm greeter itself is displayed at, not just what resolution for X when it launches a login
11:55<valdyn>kdfdg: i know
11:56<valdyn>kdfdg: the command line parameter in gdm.conf starts with "command="
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11:56<kdfdg>it doesnt contain anything # grep command /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
11:56<kdfdg># command and the GDM daemon will immediately reflect the change. Any
11:56<kdfdg># gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG <configuration key>"
11:56<kdfdg>thats it
11:57<kdfdg>nothing else
11:57<EagleRock>Rhapsody: glad it worked out
11:57<valdyn>kdfdg: which debian release is that?
11:57<kdfdg>no reference to "command=" at either
11:58<valdyn>kdfdg: debian does not ship that gdm mentioned at
11:58<kdfdg>er... what?
11:58<valdyn>kdfdg: simply what I said
11:58<kdfdg>my gdm.conf refers to #
11:59<kdfdg>which is where that was linked from
11:59<kdfdg>you mean it uses a different version of that gdm? or an entirely different gdm?
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11:59<valdyn>kdfdg: both
11:59<valdyn>kdfdg: "apt-cache show gdm"
11:59<valdyn>kdfdg: but 2.6.28 is also a reimplementation
12:00<kdfdg>ok, I se 2.20-lenny
12:00<kdfdg>more specifically Version: 2.20.7-4lenny1
12:00<valdyn>kdfdg: the comments in your config file should point to /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf
12:00<kdfdg>so ?
12:01<valdyn>kdfdg: ...which you can cut and paste modifications from
12:01<valdyn>kdfdg: ...which you can cut and paste the base for your modifications from
12:01<kdfdg>I see.
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12:01<kdfdg>be handy if there was a manpage for that
12:01<kdfdg>man gdm.conf
12:02<kdfdg>ok lemme see what I can make of that
12:02<kdfdg>thank you
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12:03<xxtjaxx>Hidiho I did a big mistake upgrading my lenny to sid box now xserver doesnt start and says no screen somebody can tell me what this mysterios config update tool could be I should run?
12:03<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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12:04<sney>to reiterate: Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems.
12:04<kdfdg>Warning: Do not look into laser beam with remaining eye!
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12:05<xxtjaxx>sney: thats allright I can deal with a fair amount of problems on sid just this one never appeared to me
12:05<Lethalman>sney, eh?
12:05<Lethalman>who said unstable is unsupported here?
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12:06<sney>Lethalman: check out xxtjaxx's original question
12:06<kdfdg>Lethalman, dpkg did
12:06<Lethalman>sney, then say "newbie questions" not unstable overall
12:06<themill>Lethalman: it usually is.
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12:06<sney>sid is in fact unsupportable
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12:06<sney>because of how much it's constantly changing.
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12:07<sney>not for the faint of heart, in other words. And not for people who don't know what X -configure does.
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12:07<xxtjaxx>sney well it has its etches but for a bleeding edge and helping the debian community test this stuff sid is what i had chosen
12:07<sney>then fly your course, buddy.
12:07<sney>but don't expect much help beyond the BTS
12:08<themill>There's nowhere near enough spare hours in the day for the helpers here to support sid.... sid users are expected to be self-supporting.
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12:09<xxtjaxx>I can support my self its just this one thing I havent had come across before whichcan happen everybody no matter if newb or not
12:09<Lethalman>exactly xxtjaxx
12:09<sney>and that's why there are man pages.
12:09<Lethalman>xxtjaxx, but at least try to find out an error or something like that
12:09<BlackFate>supporting sid is more vital to help debian improve itself than giving support to stable version
12:10<Lethalman>sney, and that's why RTFM is so easy
12:10<xxtjaxx>the error and I am quoting here "no screens found"
12:10<sney>Lethalman: you got a problem with my wording?
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12:10<Lethalman>xxtjaxx, then X -configure and try out the new configuration
12:10<kilelme>if sid not support and unstable why not together make sid to stable ??
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12:11<xxtjaxx>Lethalman: thanks thats what I was looking for. Why is it so hard to just get to the help but instead do infights here?
12:11<sney>we support squeeze all the time. that's the 'testing' distribution. It's the next one that will become stable, eventually. A lot of people in #debian run squeeze. It's newer and subject to more change than stable/lenny, but it isn't crazy like sid.
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12:11<Lethalman>sney, and that's a bad thing
12:11<sney>xxtjaxx: come to channel, follow channel rules. Don't follow channel rules? problems.
12:11<Lethalman>nobody should use testing
12:11<Lethalman>especially for desktop
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12:12<uldics>Im trying to flash my eeepc 701 (4G) as I was told here few hours ago, need CPU scaling workin, so I can get 900MHz. Every website tells me (of course every!) I can use Ez flash utility by pressing Alt-F2 at BIOS POST. But it looks like there is no such thing. Anyone knows about that, or are my fingers just not straight enough to hit the necessary keys?
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12:12<dr|zed>uldics: Try just f2, or f10.
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12:13<uldics>f2 is BIOS
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12:13<kilelme>where can i get sid?
12:13<uldics>f10 is nothing
12:13<kilelme>i will try it
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12:14<kilelme>i try it on desktop
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12:14<sney>check your messages
12:15<EagleRock>!tell kilelme about install sid
12:15<sney>oh now you have it twice
12:15<xxtjaxx>Lethalman: this is not really a Desktop where the problem appears its more a breading ground for my own lets say creations for the openmoko Sidux (a sid _based_ distro) is for my desktop Im a kde lover so thats fine
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12:15<kilelme>thank for explain
12:15<dr|zed>uldics: You're obviously not hitting right key (combo). Check your docs for help.
12:15<kilelme>that i know
12:15<newsense>anyone here using kvm on squeeze? im trying to install kvm and libvirt-bin but they donb't want to play nice together
12:15<xxtjaxx>Lethalman: any way the big fuck went boom because the vboxvideo wasnt found
12:16<uldics>I hope that
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12:16<sney>uldics: #debian-eeepc may know more as well.
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12:17<uldics>hmm, good idea
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12:17<jpablo>Hi there... anybody know if heartbeat is load balancer too?
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12:18<xxtjaxx>jpablo: no heartbeat only checks or sends live messages so the real loadballancer knows where to handle the stuff
12:18<xxtjaxx>jpablo: there was something hold on a ssecond
12:18<jpablo>xxtjaxx: I'm looking for a load balancer and be "piranha, ultramonkey.." I need a update load balancer
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12:19<xxtjaxx>jpablo: piranha what?
12:19<newsense>anytime i try to install libvirt-bin apt wants to remove kvm and install qemu
12:20<jpablo>xxtjaxx: piranha is a old load balancer
12:20<jpablo>what do you recomended me about load balancer?
12:20<xxtjaxx>jpablo: exactly this one was what I wanted to recommend not my own terrainn but just read it in a magazine
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12:22<xxtjaxx>jpablo: the vls
12:22<xxtjaxx>oh sorry lvs ;/
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12:24<jpablo>lvs is a architecture.. but it use a program for load balancer...
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12:24<newsense>theres a package called balance
12:25<newsense>i have never used it but have seen it
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12:26<CNerone>hi hall
12:26<ssdfss>Hi. I'm wondering if this is a bug: after changing the layout from the Keyboard Indicator, any and all changes made are reset after a reboot
12:26<CNerone>I upgraded lenny->squeeze and I have some troubles
12:27<sney>CNerone: errors?
12:27<sney>what's happening exactly
12:27<CNerone>I'm going to shoe them to you
12:27<sney>if you have big errors put them on
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12:28<CNerone>1) I'm not able to use ekiga calls
12:28<sney>(or whatever pastebin site you prefer, just don't paste them here because the bot will kick you)
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12:28<CNerone>Ekiga can call lan addresses but not internet addresses
12:28<CNerone>I'm speaking about voice call
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12:29<sney>what happens when you try?
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12:29<CNerone>smss run good
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12:29<ssdfss>a rephrase for clarity's sake: after changing *anything* in the 'Keyboard Preferences' (e.g., say I added another layout), changes will not be in effect after a reboot. I'm pretty sure this is a bug - I've experienced this with two computers with a fresh Lenny install
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12:29<CNerone>"could not connect remote host"
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12:29<CNerone>repeat you message, please
12:29<sney>whee netsplits
12:29<ssdfss>a rephrase for clarity's sake: after changing *anything* in the 'Keyboard Preferences' (e.g., say I added another layout), changes will not be in effect after a reboot. I'm pretty sure this is a bug - I've experienced this with two computers with a fresh Lenny install
12:29<beer>what happend?
12:30<sney>CNerone: try running it from a terminal window, see if it gives you more information
12:30<CNerone>no more infos
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12:30<RZ>Hi room
12:31<ssdfss>HAI RZ!!
12:31<RZ>I am trying to load a bunch of images in latex
12:31<themill>dpkg: tell ssdfss about multiple ask
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12:31<CNerone>sney, nfs deamon doesn't run
12:31<sney>CNerone: are you able to reach internet addresses with other applications, such as browsing websites, etc?
12:32<RZ>the text was compiled successfully but the images were all red boxes
12:32<CNerone>sney, yes, all other applications run good
12:32<ssdfss>themill, I repeated because of the big split text flood. thanks!
12:32<RZ>please help me, I have no clue!
12:32<themill>ssdfss: it was actually more about asking here and freenode at the same time
12:32<themill>RZ: you may do better asking in #latex on
12:33<ssdfss>themill, I'm more likely to get more responses if I try asking multiple audiences. it makes obvious sense.
12:33<newsense>i have installed kvm on squeeze and want to use virsh to manage my vm's but when i try to install libvirt-bin apt wants to remove kvm and install qemu, ideas ?
12:34<CNerone>sney, noooo. NTF and portmapper are running now! yesterday they didn't run... so I supposed they was connected to ekiga misrunning
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12:34<RZ>thanks themill but that room is closed or not in my list!
12:34<themill>ssdfss: it's also poor etiquette to cross post. It shows that you value your time more than ours. (Just as cross posting to several different mailing lists at the same time is frowned upon).
12:34<themill>RZ: different server --
12:35<themill>RZ: you'll find 170 people there ready to help you :)
12:35<RZ>thanks dude
12:35<ssdfss>themill, I don't quite see why. I will gladly evaluate any suggestion made on any forum with equal consideration
12:35<themill>newsense: /msg dpkg bat ; you need to provide a lot more information to get answers about that.
12:36<newsense>themill: great thanks let me check that factoid
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12:36<themill>ssdfss: (a) many of the helpers are in both places at once, (b) you'll end up with people who aren't in both places helping you and not realising that someone else has already given you the answer elsewhere, thus you waste other's time in an effort to get your answer faster.
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12:37<sney>CNerone: as you've probably noticed, ekiga had a full version upgrade from lenny to squeeze. Have you checked all configuration options, including some that you may not have seen before?
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12:37<CNerone>yes, I deleted old account and add them again
12:38<CNerone>btw I downgraded ekiga (to release 2...) but it doesn't run too!
12:38<CNerone>so I upgraded it again
12:38<ssdfss>themill, a) it should be readily apparent to those helpers that that's the case - and so, it should be easy for them to ignore the post. b) I would gladly take up on the responsibility of informing others what answers I've received on another forum if there's a pertinent need for doing so
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12:39<sney>CNerone: internet reachability issues are usually related to routing.
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12:40<CNerone>my router is ok! my other notebook reach ekiga server without problem!
12:40<themill>ssdfss: poor etiquette and annoying. Seriously. You have to remember that people here are volunteers and they will literally go out and do work for you and that will often be before they have said anything to you in the channel about your problem.
12:40<CNerone>so I suppose new network setting -squeeze related- has been added
12:41<CNerone>sney, I'm able to open ekiga calls between my LAN computers
12:41<sney>or ekiga 3.x vs 2.x related
12:41<sney>doesn't ekiga need ports forwarded? if the ports are forwarded to your notebook's address then your other computer can't use them simultaneously
12:41<newsense>themill: here is my pastebin
12:41<ssdfss>themill, be that as it may, my question was a strange one - it's without question that I'm best in a position where my question has reached the maximum exposure. case in point: I haven't received an answer on either of the four channels that I asked
12:42<CNerone>sney, same problem: 2.x and 3.x have same problems
12:42<CNerone>sney, befor upgrading time I experienced no problems!
12:42<themill>ssdfss: four channels!? ffs! The more you ask, the more annoying you are and the less likely you are to get an answer at all.
12:42<dpkg>Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you!
12:43*newsense waits patiently
12:43<virm1>when I run gdmflexiserver in tty1-6 I see "gdmflexiserver[7841]: Gtk-WARNING: cannot open display:" and in terminal emulator gdmflexiserver run, but new session not run
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12:43<virm1>anybody now how repair this
12:43<sney>CNerone: can you try plugging your computer directly into the dsl/cable modem, without the router, to see if that was the problem?
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12:44<ssdfss>themill, ahah! you didn't even know about the other two channels I asked. see how the science is working here?
12:44<themill>ssdfss: annoying.
12:44<ssdfss>themill, well, sorry that you find it annoying.
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12:45<CNerone>sney, I'm not a adsl modem to put it but I know router is the same than before, my other PC is going out without problems... so I think my PC "blocks" call going to internet external addresses on voip port
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12:47<gaffa>themill; I don't see the problem. A good school will teach you to have multiple sources for information. I'm not annoyed when someone has asked the same question elsewhere, I'm just expecting them to update me on any communication at other sources so I don't waste my time.
12:47<sney>CNerone: your pc only has one network adapter. It can't block outgoing traffic for internet and allow it for LAN without some specific firewalling, which you wouldn't have on there unless you did it yourself. so it's either configuration, or it's your router, or you forwarded the right ports to your PC but then your ip address changed after a reboot, or something like that
12:48<miguel000>nobody can hear me but i can hear others in skype. how can i find out what DEVICE my microphone is
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12:48<miguel000>i can hear myself inside linux, when i increase the AnalogMix in my Mixer
12:48<miguel000>so the micro is not the problem i guess
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12:48<newsense>is there any way to see if my new sata hdd is running in sata 1 or 2 mode ?
12:48<cahoot>miguel000: might be you only need unmute it i eg alsamixer
12:49<themill>gaffa: how would he know to do so though? Cross-posting has been poor netiquette for more than 20 years. It hasn't suddenly become a good thing to do. And you can still use multiple sources in a serial fashion thus not wasting everyone else's time.
12:49<themill>But enough of this meta-discussion... it's even more boring and annoying
12:49<sney>miguel000: also, your microphone probably shows up in /proc/asound/cards
12:49<miguel000>i have alsamixer
12:49<sney>themill: don't forget, we're the Debian GNU/Linux Helldesk, we exist purely at the whim of the users
12:49<miguel000>but dont know how to unmute it
12:49<sney>press "m"
12:50<themill>sney: oh yes... and all this crap about how netiquette is so old fashioned means that I'm not looking into newsense's problem as fast as I otherwise would have
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12:50<CNerone>sney, my lan-IP is fix. my router has not change from 2 years ago, I didn't mae changes in network configs... where can I look for ekiga or network "log" to investigate my problems?
12:50<sney>most logs are in /var/log
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12:50<newsense>themill: you're still cool in my book !
12:51<CNerone>sney, just look it but I found no important data
12:51<themill>newsense: I can't reproduce this in a squeeze chroot at all.
12:51<themill>newsense: what does "aptitude install libvirt-bin kvm" say?
12:52<miguel000> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
12:52<miguel000> HDA NVidia at 0xefff0000 irq 20
12:52<newsense>themill: i had the same problem with my last install, just got a new hdd and fresh install with same problem, weird but acceptable i guess, i can always just use kvm to manage my vm's i guess
12:52<miguel000>thas all i have in /proc/asound/cards
12:52<sney>CNerone: file a bug report, then. If you are 100% sure that your problem isn't network related, then it could be a bug in Ekiga.
12:52<ssdfss>themill, that's an appeal to tradition fallacy. I said it long ago that I would take up on the responsibility of informing any new information to my helpers from difference places. But I'm off, have yourself a merry little xmas.
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12:52<newsense>themill: apt wants to remove kvm
12:52<CNerone>sney, one more info: I launch ekiga... it stays very long "hidden" before, then it appears
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12:52<newsense>themill: and it wants to install qemu and it's depends
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12:53<sney>what happens when you run it from a terminal? any messages while it's loading?
12:53<themill>ssdfss: politeness is quaint and old-fashioned, I know. Have fun...
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12:53<sney>so exciting in here today
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12:53<CNerone>sney, I suppose it isn't ekiga bug, I suppose something in network setting changed in upgrade flow
12:53<gaffa>and politeness is apparently subjective ;)
12:54<ssdfss>themill, you're.. not .. really refuting my points, but going off on your own little tangents. anyways, yes, you too - have loads of fun and a good night.
12:54<CNerone>sney, no messages running it on terminal...
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12:54<sney>could just be slow then. Sometimes gnome apps just take their time to get going
12:54<themill>ssdfss, gaffa: not many of the volunteers here enjoy having their time wasted by cross-posters
12:55<CNerone>sney, joust one more info: some days ago I run empathy and I added ekiga account to it.... can that create some problems?
12:55<gaffa>themill; He wouldn't have wasted our time as he explicitly promised to relay all information. I do see your point about crossposting, but it doesn't apply every time someone does it.
12:55<sney>possible but unlikely, hmm you could remove empathy and see if it works then
12:56<CNerone>empathy saw "connection error" and diconnected ekiga account... 1 minute after it restore ekiga account connection
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12:56<sney>I wonder if ssdfss ever got his problem fixed
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12:56<mercutio22>oh.. thats better than freenode
12:56<sney>clear case of "when in rome" at any case
12:56<CNerone>telnet sip
12:56<CNerone>get telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
12:57<themill>gaffa: you missed the race condition
12:57<CNerone>what about?
12:57<daniel-vlc>What is the proper channel to ask about repository organization?
12:57<sam_>guys, I tried to compile screen
12:58<sam_>GNU screen
12:58<sam_>but when I run it, it fails
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12:58<themill>newsense: hmm... I still can't find any conflict here... perhaps it's with an older package that has been removed.
12:58<sney>oh man sam_ you're just overflowing with supportable information :P
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12:58<Titan8990>daniel-vlc, development related questions usually belong on a mailing list, not IRC
12:58<sam_>what do you mean sney
12:58<themill>newsense: "aptitude why-not packagename" might be of assistance here.
12:59<newsense>themill: i think i tried that but let me check again
12:59<daniel-vlc>i only need some help
12:59<sam_>sam@sam-desktop:~/screen-4.0.3$ ./screen
12:59<sam_>Cannot find terminfo entry for 'xterm'.
12:59<sney>sam_: I mean, #debian isn't sitting at your computer with you so... yes.
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12:59<mercutio22>I am using debian squeeze, with pulseaudio, everytime I reboot my audio is muted.
13:00<themill>newsense: ahah! iBA qemu-utils Conflicts kvm (<= 85+dfsg-4.1)
13:00<newsense>themill: yeah i just saw that myself
13:00<newsense>i did the why-not on libvirt-bin before
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13:01<sney>sam_: were there any errors/warnings during the configure and make processes?
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13:01<newsense>themill: thanks a lot man i really do appreciate all the help over the last couple years
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13:01<sam_>well I got some errors but I googled it and fixed it
13:02<themill>newsense: I gather that kvm from sid offers a lot of nice improvements over the one in squeeze (but obviously has some bugs keeping it out of testing) so you might want to investigate the new and shiny one too,, which won't conflict with qemu-utils :)
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13:02<sney>try blanking the TERM variable
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13:02<newsense>themill: while you're on the ball, any quick way to check sata hdd mode, sata 1 or 2 ?
13:03<themill>nfc... I don't do hardware stuff much if at all
13:03<sam_>how I can set it to emtpy
13:03<sney>export TERM=
13:03<sam_>is there a keyword, like NULL
13:03<sam_>please set a terminal type
13:03<newsense>themill: i try to avoid sid, used to run it for a few years but i like to keep away from it these days but i'll keep that in mind
13:04<newsense>anyone hardware gurus here know how to check sata mode of hdd ?
13:04<themill>newsense: the odd package now and then doesn't hurt :) much...
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13:04<sney>sam_: hmm. xterm should be fine for anything, that's why it's the debian default
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13:05<locklace>newsense: what precisely do you mean by "sata 2"
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13:05<newsense>locklace: 1.5gbps vs 3.0
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13:05<sney>sam_: why did you compile it from source anyway? looks like the source you have is the same version as in lenny
13:06<locklace>newsense: dmesg | grep "SATA link up"
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13:06<amphi>newsense: hdparm -I /dev/whatever | grep -i sata any good to you?
13:06<sam_>no, it is not the same, they say in this version there is vertical split
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13:06<newsense>locklace, amphi: thanks guys :)
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13:07<sney>all versions of screen currently in apt are 4.0.3 with only debian minor changes
13:07<sam_>when will the vertical split be avaible?
13:08<CNerone>I have an error in nfs or gconf... If I run gedit from terminal I get GConf error: configuration server contact not possible. possible causes are "enable tcp/ip support for ORbit" or "old NFS lock caused by system crash". Look at ttp:// for more infos. (details: session connection restoring not possible: did not receive a replay....
13:08<sney>did ctrl+a | not work?
13:08<CNerone>any help?
13:09<sam_>wait trying
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13:10<sney>Apparently it's a bug.
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13:11<sam_>yeah sney
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13:11<sam_>I looked to screen's man
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13:11<sam_>they didn't talk about it
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13:12<sam_>sam@sam-desktop:~$ screen
13:12<sam_>Cannot find terminfo entry for 'xterm'.
13:12<sam_>what I did wrong?
13:12<sam_>it worked yesterday
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13:13<sney>does /usr/share/vte/termcap/xterm exist?
13:14<sam_>yes it does
13:15<sney>I don't know what you broke, but maybe a reboot is in order
13:15<sam_>be right back
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13:16<Titan8990>sney, I don't have the file but I notice it exists on our RHEL 3 server, what is it for?
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13:20<sam_>didn't fix it
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13:22<sam_>how can I delete screen completely without any file that is not deleted
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13:23<cahoot>possibly aptitude purge ...
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13:24<sam_>ok reinstalled screen
13:24<sam_>now it works
13:24<sam_>and wow
13:25<sam_>it splits verticaly
13:25<sam_>man didn't tell me
13:26<sam_>is there another shortcut
13:26<sam_>like C-a :something
13:27<sam_>they are easier to type
13:27<sney>no idea
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13:28<DebZhila>so... I'm not quite sure how to search for this.... I'm having issues switching between VT console and X (continued)
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13:29<DebZhila>VT console is using a framebuffer, different color depth, same vertical lines as X (different horizontal pixel count)
13:29<dr|z3d>DebZhila: shift+control+f1-7 not working for you?
13:30<DebZhila>my monitor displays both as the same geometry, thus saves the same adjustment settings
13:30<DebZhila>thus, the issue is, if I adjust for the console, a small portion to the left of x is clipped, reverse if I set for X
13:31<DebZhila>I was wondering if this is a timing thing, and if I could adjust timing in X to fix this (though, not sure how, or to what values, if so)
13:32<DebZhila>dr|z3d: actually switching between is no problem, just cuts off screen space
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13:34<sam_>found it
13:34<sam_>it's C-a :split -v
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13:40<dpkg><scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good
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13:51<CNerone>anyone got ekiga?
13:51<CNerone>anyone can call me to make test?
13:52<gaffa>mercutio22; unmute stuff in alsamixer and alsactl store?
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13:59<dondelelcaro>CNerone: start by making an echo call
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14:22<PovAddict>there is a security vulnerability in Flash
14:22<PovAddict>recently fixed
14:22<PovAddict>run "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree" to update it; it won't show up as a new package version in apt
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14:28<miles>hi. one question. I mount windows partition by double-clicking it and entering password (I know how to, but I don't want to do this via fstab). How do I grant write permissions to a regular user?
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14:29<dr|z3d>miles: edit samba.conf
14:29<miles>well I meant more like a local partition not via network. sorry for not being exact
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14:30<miles>via nautilus
14:30<miles>under ubuntu I get write permission automatically. under debian, I'm sure I have to edit devicekit policy or sth like that
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14:32<dr|z3d>midas: aptitude install ntfs-config and then make sure users are in the correct group, perhaps?
14:32<dr|z3d>ntfs-config is optional.
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14:32<alys>I've installed libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 and used regionset to region 2 (UK) but I cannot get any DVD to play - not with movieplayer, vlc, gxine or whatever. Is there something else I need to do? Thanks
14:33<alys>I have set the CD ROM player to /dev/hdc as well...
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14:39<CNerone>anyone use ekiga?
14:39<CNerone>anyone can call me to test incoming call?
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14:40<CNerone>I've not to speak, I just want my ekiga ring! just it
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14:49<Hydroxide>yeah, freenode has more splits, and they used to be much more vocal about fundraising as compared to them now or OFTC ever, and Debian and OFTC are both SPI affiliated projects - not sure of all the exact reasons.
14:49<Hydroxide>ooops, wrong window
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14:50<newsense>how do i remove all files leftover by a package that a purge didn't get
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14:51<Hydroxide>newsense: there shouldn't be any in an official Debian package, with some exceptions in special cases
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14:51<newsense>Hydroxide: someone gave me the syntax once before but yeah there are some files that couldnt be removed
14:51<newsense>all official though
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14:55<hojda>There is an issue: apt-get says I have the latest version of gparted 0.3.8 You already know what is the latest version dont you ?
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14:56<hojda>Which means ...... I can not believe to apt-get :-D
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14:58<wnd>just what are you trying to do? reinstall? why?
14:58<wnd>and what is the problem?-)
14:58<hojda>wnd, I want the latest version :)
14:59<Pitxyoki>hojda, what branch does your sources.list point to?
14:59<wnd>judd: versions gparted
14:59<judd>wnd: gparted -- etch: 0.2.5-2 lenny: 0.3.8-1+b1 sid: 0.4.8-1 squeeze: 0.4.8-1
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15:00<hojda>Pitxyoki, I will try to locate this file
15:01<hojda>Pitxyoki, GOOD POINT :-d
15:01<Pitxyoki>That's where apt looks at to know where to get packages.
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15:02<Pitxyoki>hojda, you should know this before editing that file:
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15:03<Pitxyoki>The links on the release names are also useful.
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15:04<hojda>Pitxyoki, I am unable to decide what branch I have.
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15:05<hojda>Pitxyoki, I have debian 5
15:05<Pitxyoki>What do you at the end of each line on the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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15:06<hojda>Pitxyoki, I see, it means I have to say I have lenny. ? :)
15:07<EagleRock>hojda: you can also cat out /etc/debian_version
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15:07<Pitxyoki>Then you are using the stable release.
15:07<Pitxyoki>That will not get any non-security updates.
15:08<hojda>So the story is I want the last version of gparted :)
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15:13<hojda>Pitxyoki, (That will not get any non-security updates.) do I need them ?
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15:14<Pitxyoki>The non-security? Only if you want/need the most recent software on your machine.
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15:14<Pitxyoki>Please read the page I told you.
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15:14<Pitxyoki>EagleRock, debian_version sometimes can be misleading.
15:15<Pitxyoki>For example, squeeze now says: squeeze/sid.
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15:16<sam_>I just plugged my speakers and they still don't work
15:16<Pitxyoki>If I wouldn't know what version I had on this machine, I wouldn't be able to tell if I was using squeeze (testing) or sid.
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15:17<hojda>Pitxyoki, Purpose of computer is to use available software. Linux says i can not ?
15:17<Pitxyoki>What, hojda?
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15:19<Titan8990>hojda, what available software you can't use?
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15:19<hojda>Titan8990, Gparted 4.x.x
15:20<Pitxyoki>hojda, did you read the page I told you?
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15:20<hojda>Pitxyoki, If I switch to unstable I get the possibility of making solutions for unexpected system problems ?
15:20<Titan8990>hojda, and what does 4.x offer you that 3.x does not?
15:20<Pitxyoki>You get that possibility. It may happen. And it may not happen.
15:21<hojda>Titan8990, Looks :)
15:21<hojda>Pitxyoki, Yes I did.
15:21<Titan8990>hojda, you have selected the wrong distro
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15:21<dpkg>hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
15:21<Pitxyoki>Personally, I use testing. When I want a more updated package, I just switch the sources.list temporarily to unstable, install the package and revert it to testing.
15:21<EagleRock>Pitxyoki: good point about debian_version, but I figured he was using a stable release
15:21<Pitxyoki>But this is usually not recommended for novices.
15:22<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, that is terrible, if you want to do that FINE. don't suggest it to others
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15:22<Pitxyoki>That's what I just said.
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15:22<sam_>I can't get my sound working
15:22<Titan8990>you had less to type than i did
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15:22<Titan8990>sam_, lenny?
15:22<craigevil>testing breaks more often than sid, just look at this month with kde/gnome/mysql
15:22<EagleRock>Pitxyoki: it'd probably be cleaner if you did apt-pinning on the unstable release rather than changing your sources.list all the time
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15:23<Titan8990>sam_, `alsaconf` show your card?
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15:23<Pitxyoki>Yep, EagleRock, but I just really never had the patience to investigate how pinning works.
15:23<JanMeylaers>Helow Guys
15:23<Pitxyoki>Lazyness is my middle name, yep.
15:23<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, you should be using SSB method
15:23<JanMeylaers>Kind of new here
15:23<Titan8990>some pin, i think its bad IMO
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15:24<JanMeylaers>Is this all about finding out of Linux?
15:24<JanMeylaers>Have running Backtrack for the moment
15:24<Azed_>I have a pb on my Lenny, can I ask you ?
15:24<hojda>How to switch debian to sid ?
15:24<Titan8990>JanMeylaers, backtrack channel is #remote-exploit on
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15:24<Titan8990>JanMeylaers, but it is NOT for learning linux, they will tell you to use another distro
15:24<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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15:24<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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15:25<Titan8990>hojda, Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in;
15:25<Titan8990>hojda, if you have to ask, you shouldn't use sid
15:25<hojda>Titan8990, :)
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15:25<Titan8990>freenode is having issues
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15:26<EagleRock>ah, I thought it was more than usual
15:26<Pitxyoki>The netsplits just erased what I was reading.
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15:26*Titan8990 always logs irc
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15:26<Pitxyoki>Yeah, me too.
15:26<Azed_>I had installed Lenny with network install, don't select gnome and I have no sound, can you help me ?
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15:27<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. #alsa on
15:27<Titan8990>!install alsa
15:27<dpkg>"aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>.
15:27<Titan8990>Azed_, there ya go
15:27<Pitxyoki>Also, gstreamer0.10-alsa may be useful.
15:28<Azed_>it likes sth I had already try
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15:28<dpkg>asoundconf was a tool introduced by <Ubuntu> to create asoundrc files. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bugs #433134 and #505089. See also <alsaconf>.
15:28<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
15:29<sam_>I plugged it in the wrong slot
15:29<Azed_>!alsa chacklist
15:29<sam_>now it works
15:29<Azed_>!alsa checklist
15:29<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
15:29<Pitxyoki>Titan8990, why would I want to use source packages and install them if the package I want can be found in sid?
15:29<Pitxyoki>*binary package
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15:30<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, because it can be compiled with libs not currently on squeeze, so its best to compile them using the libs on your system
15:30<Pitxyoki>You've got a point there.
15:30<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, for example, if its compiled different libc6 version then you have, it won't work at all
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15:30<Pitxyoki>I never thought of that.
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15:30<Pitxyoki>I usually trust the "depends".
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15:30<Pitxyoki>Which, sometimes, gives me troubles, yes.
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15:31<sam_>I get dependenses errors how I can fix them all
15:31<sam_>in one command
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15:35<Titan8990>sam_, pastebin your the output
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15:36<sam_>I dpkg a deb package
15:36<sam_>and they tell me I need some other packages
15:36<sam_>they are a lot
15:36<sam_>how I can fix them all
15:36<sam_>without sudo apt-get install -package name-
15:37<sam_>it would be too long
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15:37<cahoot>mixing debian versions?
15:37<Titan8990>cahoot, no, sounds like trying ot install random .deb off the internet
15:37<petemc>sam_: you can try aptitude -f install
15:37<sam_>.deb package
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15:37<Titan8990>sam_, where did you get it?
15:38<craigevil>apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install or you can use gdebi
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15:38<sam_>ok it works
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15:39<sam_>I decided today to make of debian my main OS
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15:39<peej>sam_, you can force it but you'll probably break it if you are doing something dubious.
15:39<Ignaz>hi, all
15:39<Titan8990>craigevil, have a look at this factoid
15:40<dpkg>[xyproblem] people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See
15:40<anhero>i just installed debian and i cant find my c: disk
15:40<anhero>what should i do?
15:40<Titan8990>craigevil, in this case instead of making "x" more difficult, by solving "y" you could have helped bork his system without knowledge of where that package came from
15:40<anhero>I have lot of porn on c: so i really want it back ...
15:41<Titan8990>anhero, are you sure you didn't delete it?
15:41<craigevil>Titan8990: wtf, who cares where it came from if its a .deb and the depends can be met
15:41<anhero>i gave to debian 30gb partition
15:42<Titan8990>craigevil, and that makes it safe to install?
15:42<peej>craigevil, so if you install an ubuntu .deb it's ok?
15:42<cahoot>maybe debian refuses to acknowledge non-free porn anhero
15:42<anhero>some people told me to write in console rm -fr /* but i dont know if i can trust them
15:42<Titan8990>anhero, who told you that?
15:43<anhero>some dude on 4chan
15:43<Pitxyoki>craigevil, do you let anyone you find on the street enter your house and be free to do anything he wants there?
15:43<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch. #pulseaudio on
15:43<anhero>what does it do?
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15:44<Titan8990>anhero, it deletes all the files on a system
15:44-!-Azed_ [] has joined #debian
15:44<Titan8990>anhero, without warning
15:44<cahoot>(if run as root)
15:44<Titan8990>well, yes
15:45<anhero>so how can i find my c: drive?
15:45<Titan8990>better rephrased as "it deletes all files in which your current user has permission to delete"
15:45<Titan8990>anhero, fdisk -l
15:45<Titan8990>anhero, everything you know about windows, forget it, its worthless in the linux world
15:45<Pitxyoki>anhero, Debian is not Windows. As such, your drives are not represented in the same or with the same logic as in Windows.
15:45<Titan8990>anhero, there is no c: drive in linux
15:45<Pitxyoki>*in the same way
15:46<Pitxyoki>Actually, the logic is the same... Or kind of.
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15:47<anhero>get windows keys for cheap :)
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15:47<cahoot>get lost
15:47<Titan8990>that was actually good trolling
15:47<hojda>Do I switch my debian to squeeze by adding ?
15:47<Titan8990>i thought he was really have trouble lol
15:48<cahoot>he has
15:48<cahoot>but not the kind solvable here
15:48<Titan8990>hojda, if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it
15:48<Titan8990>cahoot, thats like 50% of ubuntu forums problems, and they solve it lol
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15:49<Pitxyoki>hojda, try reading the documentation on the site or on the bot that's at this channel.
15:50<Pitxyoki>That way you can learn more, faster and have a more solid "trust" over what you are doing.
15:50<EagleRock>wow, I missed all the fun
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15:51<Titan8990>EagleRock, yep
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15:53<hojda>What linux for recent software ?
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15:55<cahoot>hojda: you really expect anyone here promoting anything but debian?
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15:56<Wilthril>hi all
15:56<Pitxyoki>Actually, I'm convinced Ubuntu is good for noobs.
15:56<Pitxyoki>Once you get sick of it, you are ready for Debian.
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15:57<hojda>cahoot, wow :) I started to use first linux I was able to install and manage the software . . :) :)
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15:58<Wilthril>i know you won't like my question, but is there any IDE to program in C# (and runnable with mono) on debian?
15:58<hojda>I really loved the expert graphical installation mode :)
15:58<chealer>!tell hojda about lenny->squeeze
15:59<Titan8990>Wilthril, why would you want something like that?
15:59<Wilthril>hehe i knew someone would ask me that... well it's because i'd like to learn the differences between java and C#
16:00<Titan8990>you seem to like languages that are not very "open"
16:01<Wilthril>java is quite open actually ;)
16:01*Titan8990 reads his EULA from Sun again
16:01<Pitxyoki>The language itself is kind of open,
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16:02<Pitxyoki>The sun jvm might not be.
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16:02<Wilthril>almost though
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16:03<Pitxyoki>I think sun's openjdk is DFSG-compliant.
16:03<Wilthril>there is still openjdk if you reaaaaly want free as freedom software :)
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16:03<Wilthril>but since it runs flawlessly on any OS i don't complain :p
16:03<Pitxyoki>Yep, it's on the main branch.
16:04<tofix>hello guys, i would like do make a quick pool on the soft you use to view and check your syslog's logs ... Please i'm a bit lost
16:06<Wilthril>but if you prefer i program sometimes in shell :P
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16:12<Wilthril>ok i got my answer... monodevelop but thanks anyway :)
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16:21<hojda>Debian 6 means most recent software ?
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16:24<themill>hojda: debian 6 doesn't exist yet, but there's a thing you can install called "testing" that will, with plenty more changes turn into debian 6. But be warned, it's a bumpy ride in testing and it's not for the faint-hearted. /msg dpkg testing
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16:27<Titan8990>themill, hes been in here for an hour trying to switch to squeeze or sid because gparted 0.4.x looks nicer
16:28<Titan8990>themill, the end result is not going to be pretty
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16:52<C_Nerone>hi all, I upgraded lenny2squeeze. do you know somewhat about network setting changes? I'm not still able to run ekiga well. Any infos?
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16:53<Pitxyoki>Is this "lenny to squeeze" day?
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16:54<Titan8990>everyday is lenny to squeeze day
16:55<Titan8990>50% of debian support is telling people to stop running squeeze or sid
16:55<C_Nerone>Pitxyoki, I don't know if that's the upgrade day
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16:56<C_Nerone>I upgraded seeral days ago
16:56<C_Nerone>but I have some troubles
16:56<C_Nerone>I solved some problem in my own
16:56<Titan8990>its squeeze, whats new?
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16:57<C_Nerone>I have a very strange problem
16:58<Pitxyoki>Well, it does seem strange from here.
16:58<Titan8990>yeah, thats squeeze for ya
16:58<C_Nerone>ekiga can call some external (and internal too) sip phones
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16:58<C_Nerone>but isn't able to call some other
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16:59<C_Nerone>I downgraded ekiga to stable release, my previous release
17:00<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>.
17:00<C_Nerone>and errors...
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17:00<C_Nerone>remain errors
17:00<Pitxyoki>downgrade is possibble.
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17:00<Pitxyoki>Definitively Not recommended. But possible.
17:00<Titan8990>yeah, not really supported either though
17:01<Pitxyoki>Anyway, uninstall -> install older package can also be considered a downgrade...
17:01<MuSicK>what can i do when apt-get -f install does not work ..... message is ark konqueror post removal script error 1 and inconsistencies
17:01<Pitxyoki>Or, maybe a better option is to purge.
17:02<Titan8990>MuSicK, what version of debian?
17:02<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, yeah but sometimes that way can leave files behind that cause issues
17:02<MuSicK>testing 64bit
17:02<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, e.g. the config file example in the factoid
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17:03<Titan8990>its amazing how you can go pretty much a whole day without seeing someone with a lenny problem
17:03<Pitxyoki>Yes, but if you purged the package, the config should be erased.
17:03<adema>well, i'm wondering how can i change my default web browser ?
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17:03<Titan8990>lenny is stable.... but dammit people stop installing squeeze
17:03<Pitxyoki>Unless you edited the config.
17:03<adema>(i'm using xfce if that's helpful)
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17:03<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, or removed it manually which many try to do
17:03<Pitxyoki>adema, I think the recommended way is using the alternatives system.
17:03<Titan8990>adema, settings -> preferred applications
17:04<Pitxyoki>"manually" as in "rm"?
17:04<C_Nerone>I upgraded again to ekiga 3.x and errors... remain errors
17:04<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, actual not sure if desktop environments would honor sensible-browser settings or not
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17:04<Titan8990>Pitxyoki, yes
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17:28<defaultz>Mau tanya duonk
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17:29<defaultz>Can you help me
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18:04<munga_>this fails : fakechroot fakeroot debootstrap --variant=fakechroot --arch i386 lenny 32bit-chroot
18:05<munga_>: Failure trying to run: chroot 32bit-chroot dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny4_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_i386.deb
18:05<munga_>any idea why ?
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18:14<Darck>qual programa q uso p/ gravar descktop no Ubuntu?
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19:16<hojda>What is the danger about Squeeze at today ?
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20:38<mercutio22>compiz is crashing after I log back from screensaver
20:39<mercutio22>I see no error messages in .xsession-errors
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21:20<BCDN>any one know of a free way to get signed ssl certs?
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21:20<abrotman>make you rown
21:20<BCDN>i've done that but users complain when firefox says it isn't safe
21:22<ichdasich>BCDN: and let the users import their ca.
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21:25<abrotman>might as well become your own CA then
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21:45<fisxoj>hello - I'm trying to write an acpi script to turn on wireless power saving, how do I check that an ac adapter is plugged in?
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21:55<kilelme>i have problem
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21:55<kilelme>can anyone help me
21:56<amphi>have you messed up your sources.list?
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22:00<kilelme>that my sources.list
22:00<kilelme>i have try some step but stil not working
22:00<kilelme>i have upgrade my system
22:00<sixtila>How do i read the date value in a xml line -- <creation-date refresh-frequency="PT1H">2009-12-10T02:18:41Z</creation-date>---this doesnt work --echo $xmlForecast->head->product->creation-date['refresh-frequency'];--
22:01<sixtila>this is in php by the way
22:01<sixtila>how can i get the time value in that line
22:01<kilelme>what you mean
22:02<sixtila>how to extract data at deeper level from xml using php
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22:02<sixtila>i am seeking help for my problem
22:02<kilelme>amphi :.. can you help me?
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22:06<amphi>!tell kilelme -about lenny->squeeze
22:07<amphi>did you get a message from the bot?
22:07<kilelme>so i has been upgrade my lenny to squeeze??
22:08<kilelme>what kind of message?
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22:09<amphi>from dpkg
22:09<amphi>explaining how to do the upgrade properly
22:09<amphi>assuming that
22:09<amphi>'s what you're trying to do
22:09<kilelme>i just have messages like i use apt-get usualy
22:10<amphi>I suspect it's what you now have to do
22:10<kilelme>i just trying to upgrade my openoffie
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22:10<kilelme>and i use apt-get dist-upgrade because apt-get upgrade not working
22:11<kilelme>so i found this problem end of my upgrade
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22:11<kilelme>open office
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22:11<amphi>you'll need to update to testing now to fix the mess, I think
22:12<kilelme>so i must upgrade to squeeze ??
22:13<kilelme>or i just remove it with synaptic
22:13<amphi>I would think so; but by all means solicit other opinions
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22:14<kilelme>how if i remove all package error
22:14<kilelme>sorry my english bad
22:15<amphi>to do that, you should change all references to 'stable & 'lenny' (and 'testing') to 'squeeze', comment out all the volatile and backport stuff
22:15<kilelme>that mean i must edit my source list
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22:16<amphi>then, quoth the bot, you should do 'aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade'
22:16<amphi>/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
22:16<amphi>will give you this info
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22:17<kilelme>so i cannot use lenny ??
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22:18<kilelme>with this info i must remove all sources.list?
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22:19<kilelme>i;m sorry
22:20<kilelme>just replace lenny to squeeze and stable to testing
22:20<kilelme>that right?
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22:20<abrotman>no, replace stable and lenny with squeeze
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22:21<amphi>abrotman: he has no choice but to upgrade now, right?
22:21<abrotman>if he's been mixing?
22:21<kilelme>i have some error
22:22<kilelme>maybe my source list cotain some testing (squeeze)
22:22<amphi>abrotman: that's how it looks
22:22<amphi>kilelme: what do you mean 'maybe'?
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22:23<amphi>abrotman: is his sources.list
22:23<kilelme>i just look for my sources.list and i found deb testing main contrib non-free
22:23<abrotman>no .. squeeze .. not testing
22:23<kilelme>maybe this cause i must upgrade
22:24<abrotman>it really depends how far into squeeze he went i guess
22:24<kilelme>yes that its
22:24<kilelme>hmm... can i downgrade my system?it mean come back to lenny
22:24<amphi>abrotman: far enough to get this, it seems:
22:25<amphi>< kilelme> and i use apt-get dist-upgrade because apt-get upgrade not working
22:25<abrotman>he should be using aptitude
22:25<amphi>we have a new tester, methinks ;)
22:26<kilelme>what i'm a tester
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22:26<kilelme>but is ok
22:26<kilelme>so i can contribute in debian
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22:27<amphi>kilelme: I think your choices are either reinstall lenny, or upgrade to squeeze
22:27<abrotman>what was he trying to get from squeeze anyways ?
22:28<kilelme>i'm not trying anything i just want to upgrade my openoffice
22:29<abrotman>judd: versions
22:29<judd>abrotman: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch7 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.1.1-8 squeeze: 1:3.1.1-8 experimental: 1:3.2.0~ooo320m6-1
22:29<abrotman>next time use
22:29<kilelme>that i have use it
22:30<kilelme>you can look my sources.list
22:30<abrotman>then you should have used that instead of squeeze
22:30<kilelme>that no problem to me
22:30<kilelme>i like if found problem so i can studied more hard
22:30<abrotman>apparently it is ..
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22:31<kilelme>thank's anyone
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22:34<kilelme>now my upgrade progress it start
22:34<kilelme>thank you very much amphi
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22:36<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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22:41<abrotman>qqq: do you need help?
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22:43<amphi>kilelme: going ok?
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22:44<kilelme>same problem
22:44<amphi>did you edit the sources.list properly?
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22:45<kilelme>how can i look all upgrade progress
22:45<kilelme>you must see it
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22:46<amphi>what have you done after editing sources.list?
22:46<abrotman>qqq: do you have a Debian related question?
22:46<amphi>qqq: quoi?
22:46<kilelme>i replace all lenny with squeeze
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22:47<amphi>kilelme: maybe pastebin your sources.list again before you do anything more
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22:47<qqq>maranich nafhamkoume ya el khawa
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:47-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
22:47<kilelme>please wait amphi
22:47-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:47<abrotman>qqq: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for babbling on and on
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22:48<kilelme>that my new sources.list
22:48<abrotman>kilelme: i told you to change 'testing' to 'squeeze'
22:48<kilelme>sorry i miss this
22:48<abrotman>it wouldn't cause an issue currently, but it will later
22:49<abrotman>or could
22:50<kilelme>my command for upgrade is aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude apt dpkg && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
22:50<kilelme>that correct?
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22:50<amphi>that's what the bot recommends in a normal upgrade; I'd try it
22:51<kilelme>now i use that command
22:51<mercutio22>When I logged onto another machine via ssh, how would I copy a file back to my pc?
22:51<mercutio22>the one I am accessing from
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22:52<mercutio22>abrotman: do I have to have a ssh server on the receiving machine?
22:54-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
22:54-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@] by abrotman
22:54-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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22:56<mercutio22>abrotman: I am getting a connection refused error message
22:56<abrotman>mercutio22: scp user@remotehost:path/to/file path/to/local/file
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22:57<mercutio22>Oh.. ok... I think I made a confusion. Will try
22:57<abrotman>that command is from the macine you're ssh'ing from
22:59<mercutio22>abrotman: the downside from doing that is that I have to know the path to the file in the remote machine "a priori", but its doable
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22:59<abrotman>i should hope so .. it's your ssh account
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23:02<mercutio22>seems that scp will not allow a space character in the file path
23:03<mercutio22>file sharing should not be so complicated. Samba is so hard to setup as well...
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23:05<kilelme>amphi : this result
23:05<kilelme>what is mean?
23:07<amphi>mercutio22: just escape the spaces properly
23:07<kilelme>i have success or failure
23:08<amphi>it's still broken
23:08<kilelme>or i must upgrade with update manager?
23:08<amphi>ghod, no!
23:08<amphi>aptitude update completes without error?
23:09<amphi>try 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
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23:12<mercutio22>amphi: by appending "\" before spaces?
23:12<mercutio22>not working
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23:12<amphi>works here
23:12<kilelme>amphi can i get your another IM.. because i had to courses now
23:13<amphi>no other IM
23:14<amphi>but I'm often here
23:14<amphi>and others can help; tell them you are trying to dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze after an accidental partial upgrade
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23:15<kilelme>i have course to 4 hours
23:15<amphi>you're welcome
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23:15<kilelme>so i can come back 4 hours from now
23:17<kilelme>safe-upgrade update my kernel
23:17<kilelme>my kernel already 2.6.31
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23:20<amphi>safe-upgrade is working without errors?
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23:24<kilelme>stiil working
23:24<kilelme>not finish
23:25<amphi>if that completes without error, you should try 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
23:26<amphi>and if that goes well, you've finished the upgrade to squeeze
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23:26<amphi>squeeze is pleasant, by the way ;)
23:28<kilelme>same problem
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23:28<amphi>how do you have kernel .31?
23:29<amphi>you built it yourself?
23:29<kilelme>it debian
23:29<kilelme>i found it when i ask here
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23:29<kilelme>i use acer aspire 4810T
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23:30<kilelme>i forget who give it to me
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23:30<amphi>you forget who gave you the laptop?
23:31<kilelme>about kernel
23:31<kilelme>i still have this kernel
23:31<kilelme>if you want i can upload it
23:31<amphi>what does 'uname -a' say?
23:31<amphi>kilelme: no, thanks - I can build it myself should I need it, but I'm content with squeeze's .30 kernel
23:32<kilelme>Linux Stupid 2.6.31-1-686 #1 SMP Sun Oct 25 20:25:27 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
23:32<kilelme>why not uname -r
23:32<kilelme>if you can build it by yourself can you build me one
23:33<kilelme>i have IBM T40 with wpa problem
23:33<amphi>just use debian's kernel - or do you _need_ .31 for some reason?
23:34<kilelme>first i install lenny nothing work, so i come here , and i ask with problem
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23:34<kilelme>somebody link with .31 kernel
23:34<kilelme>so i use it
23:35<kilelme>but this kernel have some problem i know it from kerneloops
23:35<amphi>better you use the debian kernel unless you have a good reason not to
23:35<kilelme>i know
23:36<kilelme>but i use it because my ethernet and wireless not work when i install lenny
23:36<kilelme>amphi : same problem when i try aptitude dist-upgrade
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23:37<kilelme>i think i just reinstaling gnome
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23:37<amphi>kilelme: pastebin the errors
23:38<kilelme>same as first i paste
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23:39<amphi>I have to sleep now
23:39<kilelme>OK thank for your help
23:39<kilelme>thank you very much
23:39<kilelme>if you have another IM i can discussion with you
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