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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-10

---Logopened Thu Dec 10 00:00:30 2009
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00:00<mercutio22>how can I enable login sounds?
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00:01<dusthillresident>mercutio22, what display manager are you using?
00:01<dusthillresident>and what version of Debian?
00:02<mercutio22>dusthillresident: gnome and compiz on debian squeeze
00:02<dusthillresident>I went to that pastebin link, but got "Unknown post id, it may have expired or been deleted"
00:03<mercutio22>I try to run the command listed in my startup-applications which supposedly would run the login sound
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00:03<mercutio22>dusthillresident: and then I get that error message
00:03<dusthillresident>I see...
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00:04<hojda>Can I find help here to unban me at freenode irc ? I did double post as the problem.
00:04<pdragon>dose anyone know of a good web admin interface
00:04<dusthillresident>mercutio22: Hmm, unfortunately, I can't help you with this. GDM is difficult to deal with
00:06<pdragon>dose anyone know of a good web admin interface
00:06<dusthillresident>mercutio22, hmm, actually, try System - Preferences - Sound, and check to see if there's a "login sounds" checkbox
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00:14<mercutio22>dusthillresident: it is greyed out
00:15<dusthillresident>mercutio22, I see...
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00:22<mercutio22>oh well... looks like its a bug. Many people are experiencing it.
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00:25<mercutio22>I do have audioplayback though
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00:54<hitesh>hi any body there
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00:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:55<hitesh>i am new to this debian live project can u tell me about this
00:55<newsense>i think theres a debian-live channel
00:55<newsense>check the projects site
00:55<kmap>As always, I think dpkg can tell us
00:55<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC ( Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
00:56<hitesh>how to join that channel
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00:56<newsense>type /j #debian-live
00:57<hitesh>i got it thanks
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00:57<hitesh>but nobody is there
00:58<newsense>yes there is
00:58<hitesh>kk sorry i typed the wrong one
00:58<hitesh>thanks dude
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01:11<Praxis>I have Lenny, I want to install the more recent backports version of pidgin so the program will deal with yahoo & hotmail, but I added the backports repository and updated and when I do a " apt-get -t lenny-backports install pidgin" it says "3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 136 not upgraded." Does this mean the next time I do an "apt-get upgrade" it will pull in a bunch of new backports programs?
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03:03<waer01>Hey guys. have a quit question. how to mount sda1 partition ? here's an output of fdisk and my attempt to mount
03:04<the-dude>waer01: mount /dev/sda1 $mountpoint
03:04<waer01>oh yeah sorry forgot
03:04<waer01>what is a default point ?\
03:04<cahoot>waer01: still not figured out how to copy/paste text?
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03:05<waer01>hm..figured..but that link is also from dpkg offered's not appropriate ?
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03:09<Nemoder>waer01: the mountpoint can be any empty directory where you want it mounted
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03:10<waer01>I've mounted it in my home directory but now it says KLauncher could not be reached via DCOP when I try to open home folder
03:10<cahoot>waer01: you probably want to create a mountpoint (directory)
03:11<waer01>I';ve mounted it : sudo mount /dev/sda1 /home/marius
03:11<jm_>that's a very bad idea
03:11<waer01>but now it's not opening some king of error mentioned above
03:12<Nemoder>waer01: the mountpoint can be any EMPTY directory where you want it mounted
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03:13<jm_>create /home/marius/mnt and mount it there
03:13<Nemoder>even if your home folder looksempty it can contain many hidden files
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03:16<waer01>ok. when i'm trying to umount it now it says that device is busy..should I restart to umount it ?
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03:17<jm_>cd out of it
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03:17<jm_>so impatient
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03:20<olpcfan>Is anyone familiar with I'm about to install a new kernel image so I can use my wifi. Should just work?
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03:20<dondelelcaro>olpcfan: in general, yes.
03:21<olpcfan>dondelelcaro: I'm going by these instructions: ... seems dead simple
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03:38<waer01>thnx..I'm such a noob.. Could this thing be automated so I don't mount every time I launch linux ?
03:38<Nemoder>waer01: add it to your /etc/fstab (read the docs on how to do that)
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03:44<dusthillresident>Hey, Linux guys.
03:44<dusthillresident>I mean, Debian guys.
03:44<dusthillresident>I want to ask you for a favour.
03:44<dusthillresident>I am a musician, and I'd like people to listen to my song, and give me your opinions.
03:44<dusthillresident>If you're interested, I made this song using Debian Linux.
03:45<Nemoder>this is a support channel, you might try debian-offtopic
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04:28<marchino>ciao, there is a tool to create debian package from autotools but i cannot remember its name
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04:29<marchino>do you remember its name?
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04:34<jm_>marchino: yes
04:35<marchino>jm_: you pushed the botton, now give your answer
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04:35<jm_>marchino: checkinstall
04:36<marchino>jm_: thank you. that is it
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05:00<blackcat>Hi, maybe this is not the right place for this questions, but then again...
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05:01<blackcat>is there any app that can check a webserver for vulnerabilities? sql injection, xss and that?
05:01<blackcat>I'm devellopping a website and need to check some basic vulns
05:04<themill>blackcat: "apt-cache search sql injection" turns up a few relevant things (some only in sid but easily backportable)
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05:07<jm_>I somehow remember reading about a tool for this, probably on lwn
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05:13<themill>jm_: yeah, similar vague memories about that
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05:18<petemc>theres also nessus
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05:36<viniciusandre>hi! my smdb daemon wont load...
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05:36<viniciusandre>it only keeps trying to load and nothing happens
05:36<viniciusandre>Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd
05:36<viniciusandre>ans that's any...
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05:46<blackcat>petemc, nessus needs add-plugins for sql injection, right?
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06:00<[machine]>i would use w3af for sql injection
06:00<[machine]>and xss etc
06:01<[machine]>you can also run OpenVAS across it but that will only look for /known/ problems
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06:02<[machine]>other than that, get a copy of burp suite / netsparker (both non-free) and do it yourself
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06:04<blast_hardcheese>finch crashes daily
06:04<blast_hardcheese>I am irritated
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06:15<blackcat>[machine], thx
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07:05<dpkg>< ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN!
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07:35<tonguim>Good morning all
07:36<tonguim>i've installed gnome and kde from the Debian Lenny DVD. It seems that the graphics applications are not update
07:36<tonguim>should i run aptitude upgrade? Thanks
07:37<OdyX_flu>tonguim: you always have to upgrade your system...
07:38<OdyX_flu>tonguim: just don't expect bleeding-edge application versions with Lenny
07:38<dpkg>[upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>.
07:39<tonguim>thanks all
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07:44<GattoDiSchrodinger>How can I fix the ugly fonts in iceweasel?
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07:52<inglor>Anyone can suggest something apart nautilus for file manager? (I don't like the icons, would prefer a list without details)
07:53<inglor>that is for gnome ofc
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07:53<jm_>inglor: gentoo, mc
07:54<inglor>gentoo is a file manager, thought it's only a disto.. hmm :P will check em, cheers
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07:55<jm_>they are both "stereo" or two panels file manager, the only kind I can stand
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08:05<laurent>hi, how can i get the type and number of memory RAM enables on a machine ?
08:06<laurent>I tried cat /proc/meminfo but this did not returned such info
08:06<laurent>I dmesg |grep mem but w/o any success
08:06<jm_>laurent: dmidecode
08:06<Titan8990>lshw if your looking for detailed hardware information
08:07<laurent>yep lswh is not installed and i would like not to install it
08:07<dpkg>[myram] install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/ and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info.
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08:15<laurent>is there any public log uri for this chan please ? i checked the topic but ...
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08:17<gsimmons>dpkg: tell laurent -about irclog
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08:23<laurent>thx gsimmons ! same question than memory RAM for MB ?
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08:25<laurent>I checked dmesg and /var/log/messages but was unable to find any mother board info
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08:27<Titan8990>laurent, lshw
08:28<jm_>for the last time, dmidecode
08:28<Titan8990>!install it
08:28<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
08:28<laurent>sorry jm_ i go back to dmidecode output
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08:31<jm_>laurent: DG965SS is you rmotherboard
08:32<mavez>anyone know of any up to date mplayer package with vdpau enabled for lenny?
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08:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
08:33<jm_>mavez: apparently dmm has vdpau stuff, but doesn't bring much for my card
08:33<laurent>jm_: ok good catch I should have found it by myself, thx
08:33<mavez>jm_ do you have that mplayer package while still running lenny stable
08:35<mavez>want to keep my system running stable but i want an up to date mplayer package with vdpau
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08:35<jm_>mavez: did you see what dpkg said about dmm?
08:36<mavez>do i have to change the debian-multimedia sources.list from stable to testing or unstable?
08:36<themill>mavez: /msg dpkg dmm lenny
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08:37<jm_>actually I'll take that back, I use testing/sid at home so I am not sure if lenny version provides it as well
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08:37<mavez>it doesnt
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08:37<mavez>i've tried
08:38<laurent>for the NIC part I found Handle 0x0013 but no data about the size or capacity is a 100Mo ? 1Go ?
08:38<mavez>that's why am wondering can you like have stable source lists and then for debian-multimedia have unstable
08:38<mavez>or will that just screw everything up
08:38<jm_>laurent: try lspci
08:38<jm_>mavez: better not
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08:39<mavez>might try and compile it myself them
08:39<mavez>see how far i get
08:39<jm_>yeah, /msg dpkg ssb
08:40<laurent>jm_: i tried it and also lspci -vv but no data about size or capacity :s
08:40<jm_>laurent: it should tell you the model though
08:40<mavez>cause here on this laptop i've been messing about and got it to ./configure and list all the options i want after pulling an svn latest mplayer build
08:40<mavez>whether or not it manages to compile is another story
08:41<mavez>anyway i will try this tomorrow cheers for help
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08:42<jm_>laurent: intel site says 100Mbps for 82562
08:42<jm_>laurent: ethtool will also show it
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08:46<mykhi>hello, im havving difficulties installing my tv-card on fresh install of debian.
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08:47<mykhi>no matter what, tvtime-scanner (scans for channels) find nothing
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08:48<mykhi>and tv-card is detected as /dev/video1
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08:50<laurent>jm_: yep i got it ! very good
08:50<mykhi>lspci says: 06:01.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)
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09:11<m3onh0x84>how to add squeeze testing repos to debian 5 ?
09:11<m3onh0x84>when debian 6 availlable ?
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09:13<marh>is there a way to take over _running_ x applications from remote (similar to ssh -X or such)?
09:15<noflash>!tell m3onh0x84 -about lenny->squeeze
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09:21<jm_>marh: no in general, xmove can help and there are some other tools for it
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09:38<legnaleurc>hello, is there a conflict between nVidia and xorg 1.7 ?
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09:41<lord-carlos>Hi there
09:42<lord-carlos>i am using debian testing and if wlan0 (rt61) is up, hibernation does not work.
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09:43<lord-carlos>It stops on " Suspending consoles" or something like that
09:44<lord-carlos>what can i do to make the wlan0 interface go down before hibernation?
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09:51<sensiblethief>alias f5 cvv2
09:51<sensiblethief>menu status,channel,query {
09:51<sensiblethief>Cari CVV:cvv2
09:51<sensiblethief>alias cekcvv2 {
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09:54<florian>hi there
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09:56<florian>a while ago i was here with a problem with the wireless card of my pc and it turned out to be a model which wasnt too well supported. i was pointed to the debian backports website and i've been there but ...i'm not exactly sure what i am looking for there. could someone give me a hand?
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09:59<lord-carlos>florian: maybe a newer kernel?
09:59<gsimmons>florian: Are you using Vinux?
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10:00<gsimmons>lord-carlos: Try testing against kernel 2.6.32 (see Debian bug #559202).
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10:02<lord-carlos>gsimmons: thanks
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10:05<florian>i am
10:05<florian>how come you know of it?
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10:08<gsimmons>florian: You were in here previously regarding it. Note that only Debian is supported in #debian.
10:10<florian>this is true. however, vinux can be regarded as Debian for it is not really a new distro based off it. the changes when it comes to the os itself are neglegible ...only some support enhancements for visually impaired users
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10:11<dpkg>Vinux is a Live CD distribution for visually impaired users, based on Debian Lenny (as of version 2.0). It is supplied with non-free software (multimedia codecs, wireless LAN device firmware) and has the Debian Multimedia, Backports and Proposed Updates repositories enabled by default. It is not supported in #debian. See also <based on Debian>.
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10:11*florian shrugs. 'very well than ...if you say so ..."
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10:12<florian>i suppose i shouldn't be here than should i
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10:17<ssh-89>есть здесь ктота с украины?
10:17<waer01>tolka s litvi
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10:18<ssh-89>вав, мне очень нужна помощь ваша но с русским вменя очень плохо никто не будет против если будет текст ити с ошыбкамы?
10:19<diggy>ssh-89: join to #debian-ru
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10:25<sensiblethief>alias f5 cvv2
10:25<sensiblethief>menu status,channel,query {
10:25<sensiblethief>Cari CVV:cvv2
10:25<sensiblethief>alias cekcvv2 {
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10:26<lord-carlos>why is sensiblethief pasting that all the time?
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10:30<olpcfan>Is there a way to show all packages installed that depend on some other package?
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10:31<Xenguy>olpcfan: never used it, but I see this: apt-rdepends - Recursively lists package dependencies
10:32<Xenguy>olpcfan: but not sure if that meets your requirements
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10:39<lord-carlos>gsimmons: looks like hibernation works with wifi and the .32 But i dont get any feedback/outout right before hibernation.
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10:39<lord-carlos>Just a blinking cursor in the upper left corner
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10:41<ssh-89>люди кто может помогти поключить NTFS розделы винта в дебиан, а то вже что та такое на делал что уже и их нету в моему компютери пропалы. но через терминал mc запускаю только один раздел а больше не могу
10:41<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:42<MayskiyJuk>ssh-89: install ntfs-3g
10:42<ssh-89>yze ustanovlen
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10:43<MayskiyJuk>ssh-89: what type of DE? how do you mount them?
10:43<themill>olpcfan: "aptitude search ~Ddepends:~n^packagename$" (change depends to recommends or suggests if you want. /msg dpkg aptitude search
10:44<themill>olpcfan: oh... add ~i to the end of that pattern to have it only show you packages that you actually have installed.
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10:46<ssh-89>I English speak very bad
10:46<amphi>ssh-89: /join #debian-ru
10:46<themill>ssh-89: /server /join #debian-russian
10:46<themill>amphi: no such channel?
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10:59<MayskiyJuk>I'm russian speaking person and existing russian chanel is #debian-russian. try to get there some help
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11:20<HardDisk>how sexy is my ride?
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11:23<pr>yo wossub
11:23<EmleyMoor>What are good makes of colour laser printer these days?
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11:24<magyar_>i have an odd issue with xen and hvm, when domu is rebooting i loose dom0 network access. Anyone experienced this behavior?
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11:27<ThA_AngE>HardDisk: it's cool, can it go offroad too?
11:28<HardDisk>it runs on tracks
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11:29<ThA_AngE>can't do that with mine
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11:40<Myth`>Linux newbie here, I updated samba and it asked me what I wanted to do with the configuration files, I said keep the old one. Samba stopped working so I removed smb.conf and samba from the system using apt-get --purge remove samba and then apt-get clean ... Reinstalled with apt-get install samba and the smb.conf file won'
11:40<Myth`>won't come back.
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11:40<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
11:41<Myth`>cahoot> Thank you
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11:42<cahoot>lol = ler och långhalm?
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11:43<Myth`>cahoot> Still won't come back with apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install samba
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11:44<cahoot>Myth`: my knowledge ends with that
11:44<Myth`>cahoot> Ok thanks.
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11:50<fsateler>Myth`: purge samba-common
11:50<fsateler>hte file is from that package, not samba
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11:51<Myth`>thanks fsateler
11:51<Myth`>how did you find that out?
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11:52<fsateler>because dpkg -S did not match any package for smb.conf
11:52<Myth`>Okay thank you
11:52<fsateler>so I figured it would be ucf-handled
11:53<fsateler>and samba-common depends on ucf, and samba does not
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11:58<laurent>in order to make Windows desktop able to print from a network printer cupsd, it has to be done through samba right ?
11:59<Lethalman>laurent, I think you can do it also without samba, but I don't know if it gets harder
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12:05<Myth`>I'm sorry if this is the wrong channel, but is it possible to symlink (i think that's the term) to a different dir on a different drive in my samba share?
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12:09<Myth`>I believe I've answered my own question.
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12:32<Beryllium>I just finished installing Squeeze, no root login. It seems I am unable to do root-only actions as a sudo-enabled user, is there any way to give the root account a login without reinstalling?
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12:34<Sallin>Normally you start out as root
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12:35<Sallin>the installer generally makes a root account and a user account. I think you're supposed to set passwords to both accounts
12:35<Beryllium>I am more used to an Ubuntu-style interface, the installer gave the option to have no root login and rely on sudo
12:36<Titan8990>Beryllium, you sure about that?
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12:36<Titan8990>where did you get that installer?
12:36<themill>Titan8990: from lenny onwards you can do that
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12:36<EagleRock>Titan8990: I know you can do taht in the installer, at least in expert mode
12:36<Sallin>what happens if you enter "su" at the command line
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12:37<Beryllium>asks for a password, I enter the account's password, authentication failure
12:37<c_900>Can someone help me
12:37<Sallin>and if you don't enter a password?
12:37<Beryllium>same result
12:38<Sallin>what's written in /etc/sudoers?
12:38<noflash>!tell c_900 -about ask
12:38<themill>Sallin: he can't tell you that without root privs...
12:38<themill>Beryllium: try resetting the root password to something that you do know and then configure sudo correctly. /msg dpkg ifrp
12:39<Beryllium>I can sudo visudo
12:39<Beryllium>My password doesn't work for any of the administration tools though
12:39<themill>Beryllium: oh? just for the graphical administration tools?
12:39<c_900>Have Debian running on Routerboard and get the following message when I try to use apt-get for anything - E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring
12:40<themill>Beryllium: configure gksu to use sudo mode instead -- /msg dpkg gksu
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12:45<Beryllium>Hmm, the command given by dpkg returns 'No value to set for key: `/apps/gksu/sudo-mode''
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12:47<k1lumin4t1>is it just me or is squeeze just about to get freezed?
12:47<kop>I'm running kde and iceweasel. When I want to upload a file is there a way I can type the pathname instead of having to go through a gui?
12:47<themill>kop: IW3 disabled that :(
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12:48<themill>Beryllium: I hate gconf... perhaps a gnome user can help you. You might need to create the key first... see if man gconftool-2 helps.
12:48<kop>themill: What's wrong with them? :-P
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12:50<themill>kop: it probably helps prevent some javascript filling that field in with some random file from your machine automagically. It doesn't impress me either. It'd be nice if the file picker at least understood file:// urls so you could paste them in from somewhere else.
12:50<themill>dpkg: tell k1lumin4t1 about wwsr
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12:53<themill>Beryllium: try "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1" instead
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12:55<Beryllium>themill, No success there
12:55<themill>the command should at least succeed this time though, no error message
12:55<Beryllium>Yes, it passes just fine
12:56<themill>Beryllium: you probably need to tell gconf to reload its configuration.
12:56<Beryllium>How would I do that?
12:58<themill>dpkg, gksu =~ s/sudo-mode/sudo-mode 1/
12:58<dpkg>themill: OK
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13:02<morfeus>salve a tutti
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13:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:08<Beryllium>Hey, I found the command to give the root account a password
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13:09<Beryllium>themill: I appreciate the help, problem is solved now.
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14:21<odla>hi i have a thinkpad x301 and with 2.6.26 i could control brightness now with 2.6.30 kernel (from backports) i can't control brightness unless i set acpi=off which is a crappy solution. thoughts?
14:22<Titan8990>why did you upgrade the kernel?
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14:22<odla>Titan8990: for wireless
14:22<odla>otherwise i was happy with 2.6.26
14:22<Titan8990>ah, which card did you have?
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14:29<olpcfan>I'm using the nvidia-installer to install the drivers for my 9800M and it complains I don't have the kernel source
14:30<beer>install linux-header-2,6-ark
14:30<olpcfan>But I installed the linux-headers-2.6.30-2-all-amd64 package
14:30<beer>does that match you kernel version?
14:30<iioq>hi, here's some stuff:
14:30<olpcfan>Or do I need an nvidia kernel? But then I can't run 2.6.30, just 2.6.26?
14:31<iioq>How can I find more about that "exe" thing? I don't want to kill it uncleanly.. since it may mess up stuff
14:32<beer>olpcfan: if you kernel image and kernel header match I dont know what the problem is
14:33<iioq>because, I can't use /dev/dsp: play FAIL formats: can't open output file `/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy, etc.
14:33<beer>I guess that you run debian testing?
14:33<chattr>iioq: are you running something in wine?
14:33<iioq>chattr, no
14:34<beer>if you have upgraded from a lenny you neeed to reboot since then you are running the the lenny kernel
14:34<iioq>chattr, I don't think I even have that installed
14:34<beer>yiu might look at
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14:34<olpcfan>beer: ah, I think i figured it out. I think I got a backport kernel while I was running lenny, now I've moved to squeeze
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14:35<olpcfan>will test theory, brb
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14:35<iioq>we'll hold a candle vigil if you don't return
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14:39<iioq>ok, neeevermind, I Killed it
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14:39<iioq>it was Flash in Chrome. Evil, I know
14:39<beer>oh shit he killed kenny
14:39<iioq>Mmmhmm. I believe this calls for a dance? *iioq dances*
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14:41<jery> hi,i have installed Debian 5.03 on my system with intel gme965/gle960 graphics controller, i get a blank screen when starting gdm and it stops there anyway to solve this?
14:41<jery>Xorg.log file
14:42<Titan8990>that log is clean
14:42<Titan8990>or atleast does not include anything fatal
14:42<jery>it works if remove the xorg-video-intel
14:42<iioq>what utilities are typically used to find out information about running processes? any sort of information that'll lead me to identify what the thing actually is
14:42<Titan8990>jery, the package?
14:43<Titan8990>jery, sounds like its only working with vesa
14:43<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
14:43<Titan8990>jery, check the bug tracker
14:43<jery>thank you
14:44<beer>jery: I am not sure but if you are using a intel grapics cards and remove xserver-xorg-video-intel and that works, that means you are using Vesa drives(bad performance) and if you then install that package and hell breaks loose that means something is wrong with the intel driver. Maybe use the packate from sid or experimental
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14:45<Titan8990>beer, you can't backport xorg... that would require a full upgrade
14:46<Titan8990>beer, new driver will need new xorg version, new xorg version will need a handful of libs that will likely bork your machine
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14:47<beer>oh is he sitting on debian stable?not testing. Dam need to read the whole
14:47<pdragon>hi dose anyone know anything about libmcrypt.m4
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14:47<jery>beer: yes, i am using Debian 5.03
14:48<Titan8990>pdragon, looks like a m4 macro
14:48<pdragon>one sec il pastebin the erros
14:49<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do?
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14:49<pdragon>that is the error
14:50<Titan8990>pdragon, what are you trying to compile?
14:50<pdragon>a private wow soruce code
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14:52<Titan8990>pdragon, likely it requires a different libmcrypt version then is required for their application
14:53<Titan8990>either way its not a debian application, and will not really be supported in debian
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14:53<pdragon>here is the lib script info
14:53<Titan8990>pdragon, i recommend doing tech support with the people that produce that application
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14:54<pdragon>i have the right libmcrypt
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14:55<Titan8990>pdragon, i was trying to say, if they don't provide a debian package in a debian repository, its not really going to be supported in debian
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14:56<Titan8990>i would try to get in touch with their support
14:56<pdragon>well i was reading where the libmcrypt.m4 has a bug and i added the lines and fix the text miss type
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15:08<mercutio22>debian squeeze audio nightmare. To pulseaudio or not to pulseaudio?
15:09<cahoot>depending on your needs
15:09<mercutio22>I just audio playback. Simultaneous, from flash and rhythmbox
15:10<cahoot>that's not doable atm?
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15:12<geoffrey>I am just trying out Xchat for the first time.
15:13<geoffrey>What's new?
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15:14<mercutio22>yeah, I installed pulseaudio, removed pulseaudio, edited /etc/asound.conf
15:14<mercutio22>atm I have no audio whatsowever
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15:14<mercutio22>I removed pulseaudio and installed esd
15:15<cahoot>how come you have an asound.conf?
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15:16<mercutio22>cahoot: from the time I had pulse I guess
15:16<mercutio22>cahoot: should I remove it?
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15:16<cahoot>at least take a look into it to see what it does
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15:17<geoffrey>okay, it works. See you later.
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15:18<mercutio22>I will reboot
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15:26<mercutio22>YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSssss. It was the damned asound.conf file
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16:28<olpcfan>I recently made a few changes
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16:28<olpcfan>er ... and now Ctrl-Alt-Backspace won't quit X
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16:29<Titan8990>yep, thats the default for modern X
16:29<Titan8990>if you google, there is a line to you can add to xorg.conf to get it back
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16:45<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that.
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16:51<Titan8990>!start a mta war
16:51<dpkg>exim systems are liable to be r00ted.
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16:56<bll_coder>r u there
16:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:57<EagleRock>jpinx-eeepc: you scared him off...he must not like helpful ghosts that "aren't there"
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16:58*jpinx-eeepc will try that again
16:58<pathcl>!start a db war
16:58<dpkg>MySQL is better than Solid
16:58<EagleRock>!start a distro war
16:58<dpkg>Debian Rulz
16:58<nse>Is there a flag to tell apt to install recommended packages?
16:58<pathcl>!start a mtu war
16:59<jpinx-eeepc>nse: man aptitude ;)
16:59<dr|z3d>nse: You can configure that it Synaptic easily enough.
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16:59<jpinx-eeepc>dr|z3d: howja know he's using synaptic?
17:00<EagleRock>nse: aptitude -r
17:00<EagleRock>or aptitude --with-recommends
17:00<nse>But I am very used to the old apt-get CLI. Do the aptitude flags work for apt-get?
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17:00<jpinx-eeepc>!tell nse why aptitude
17:01<EagleRock>nse: I haven't used apt-get in a while, so I'm not sure
17:01<jpinx-eeepc>!tell nse why aptitude
17:01<EagleRock>the man page should tell you how
17:01<olet_>nse: with some exceptions
17:01<EagleRock>it should be a switch
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17:01<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg tell nse why aptitude
17:01<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg sucks
17:01<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
17:02<jpinx-eeepc>!why aptitude
17:02<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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17:02<jpinx-eeepc>nse: ^^
17:02<nse>Ok! I give up!
17:02<jpinx-eeepc>for some reason dpkg refuses to tell nse privately
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17:03<EagleRock>!tell nse about why aptitude
17:03<EagleRock>that worked
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17:03<EagleRock>sorry for the spam, nse :-)
17:04<julian>fuck you bitch
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17:04*EagleRock is confused
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17:08<nse>EagleRock: Don't worry. And do you know a manner to install suggested packages?
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17:09<EagleRock>nse: that I don't offhand. The man page should have all the switches available for for aptitude (or apt-get)
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17:16<jpinx-eeepc>nse: what are you trying to install?
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17:18<nse>jpinx-eeepc: gnome
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17:18<nse>The thing is that I have an organic relationship with the command line interface when associated with apt-get
17:18<jpinx-eeepc>!install gnome
17:18<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
17:19<jpinx-eeepc>"organic relationships" are not my speciality ;)
17:19<nse>for the word get is missing in aptitude it doesn't give me enough trust so I can truly manage the system
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17:20<jpinx-eeepc>nse: ???
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17:20<EagleRock>I'm confused
17:20<jpinx-eeepc>me too :/
17:20<nse>man that was the greatest English I had ever said in my life
17:21<nse>eu sou brasileiro
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17:32<a380>who as?
17:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:34<a380>sorry. bye
17:35<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: I've done it again!!!! :/
17:35<EagleRock>we might need to update that entry
17:35<EagleRock>it scares people away apparently
17:35*jpinx-eeepc thought it was him....
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17:36<jpinx-eeepc>that factoid whould be auto-sent onjoin ;)
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17:38<EagleRock>well, gotta run...try not to scare away too many more users, jpinx :-)
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17:54<milwaks>Are there any Debian podcasts. I'm struggling to find anything official. So anything you'd recommend?
17:55<faheem>milwaks: isn't there a or some such?
17:55<milwaks>I'll look now faheem
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17:56<faheem>milwaks: what you were looking for, then?
17:57<milwaks>Just for something on Debian, like the uupc podcast covers Ubuntu
17:57<milwaks>I'm a recent switcher
17:57<faheem>hmm. that url doesn't exist
17:57<milwaks>I noticed
17:57<faheem>i could have sworn something similar did
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17:58<milwaks>I really can't find anything along those lines
17:58<milwaks>Debian isn't very well marketed :)
17:58<faheem>milwaks: agreed. that is where ubuntu shines
17:59<milwaks>I actually liked Ubuntu but Ubuntuone is stepping into and area I don't want to enter so I've moved sideways
17:59<faheem>milwaks: don't know what Ubuntuone is
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18:00<milwaks>It's hard to explain now you ask - it's like a Dropbox clone but it's being too tightly integrated into other areas like launchpad etc
18:00<milwaks>For me I mean. I can they need to make money and that's fine but it's not for me
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18:01<milwaks>It's seems to Cloudy for me faheem
18:02<jpinx-eeepc>milwaks: /msg dpkg dmm
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18:08<milwaks>jpinx-eeepc, what is dmm or mmd?
18:08<jpinx-eeepc>multi-media project for debian
18:08<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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18:10<milwaks>Got it - yeah I think studio 64 used that repo when I tried it ages ago.
18:11<milwaks>So far I haven't needed any non-free stuff, but we'll see
18:12<milwaks>Talking of which, is there anything supporting wwan or Mobile broadband in Lenny repos?
18:12<milwaks>Otherwise it may be hard to use Debian on my laptop
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18:13<milwaks>I was going to search that actually - forgot all about it
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18:15<milwaks>Ah it looks like you set it up using ppp like a dial up?
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18:18<jpinx-eeepc>milwaks: when you find out how to do that mobile broadband connection you could add it to the wiki ;)
18:18<cirne100>a few days I did an upgrage to my debian testing with gnome and now I have some problems with pen drives..
18:19<milwaks>jpinx-eeepc, yeah it looks a lot more involved than Ubuntu I have to admit
18:19<cirne100>some are not mounted..
18:19<cirne100>some are mounted with read only permitions..
18:19<cirne100>by the way..hello everybody!
18:20<cirne100>can anyone help me?
18:20<milwaks>jpinx-eeepc, I will add it when I get it sorted
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18:20<jpinx-eeepc>milwaks: I've never tried, and I don't see any howto, and it's becoming more popular - so....
18:21<milwaks>jpinx-eeepc, yeah it some systems there are special network plugins that just spring up and set it up for you
18:22<jpinx-eeepc>milwaks: I don't use network manage myself -
18:24<milwaks>cirne100, what filesystems are the pendrives using?
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18:26<cirne100>milwaks, i'm using ntfs
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18:26<jpinx-eeepc>milwaks: are you using ntfs-3g?
18:26<ricardoG1>hello everyone!... ^^
18:26<jpinx-eeepc>sorry cirne100 ^^
18:27<cirne100>this was working ok..last upgrade..
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18:27<cirne100>*until last upgrade
18:27<jpinx-eeepc>cirne100: you're in testing?
18:27<ricardoG1>can i ask you something? i have a problem... -.-
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18:28<jpinx-eeepc>!tell ricardoG1 about ask
18:28<jpinx-eeepc>cirne100: afaik testing is broken at the moment
18:28<ricardoG1>tahnx... well, i need to make an automation process in debian
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18:29<milwaks>cirne100, I read something about permissions with Linux mounting ntfs - just can't recall it.
18:29<ricardoG1>every time a new file is added to an specific folder, some automation rutine move that file into another folder... any aideas?
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18:31<damiank>i did that some time ago for a fidonet program (file tosser) that required to move received files to different file areas
18:31<ricardoG1>i'm out of ideas now
18:31<damiank>if you want i can search for the source, its in C
18:31<ricardoG1>ok, any help is welcome
18:32<damiank>in what language you need to do that? any requirements?
18:32<damiank>basically what my program did was to search a config. file for matches and then move according to it
18:32<damiank>you can then put a cron job to make it check every x hours
18:33<cirne100>jpinx-eeepc, broken?!
18:33<dpkg>well, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
18:33<ricardoG1>let me explain you the full problem. Wen any user upload to my server a video file trought an ftp client, i need to recognice that is a new file in the folder, and execute a command over that specific file.... a video converter with ffmpeg
18:33<jpinx-eeepc>cirne100: ^^
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18:36<damiank>ricardoG1 ok, you can even do it from the shell
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18:36<ricardoG1>how damiank?
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18:37<damiank>test if the file exists: suppose the file is video.jpeg
18:38<damiank>sorry .mpeg :)
18:38<damiank>do the following:
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18:38<damiank>if [ -f /tmp/video.mpeg ]
18:38<damiank>echo file exist! do the command here :)
18:39<damiank>there you have it
18:39<cirne100>and anyone suspect which pkg is broking it?
18:39<ricardoG1>one of the problems is that the file can have any name... not an specific name
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18:40<ricardoG1>and the command must run over new files only...
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18:42<damiank>well, rename whatever filename it is to the temporary file shown above and do it
18:42<damiank>like cp *.mpeg /tmp/video.mpeg
18:42<damiank>then when its converted, convert it to another directory
18:43<damiank>and the next time its run it will find the file again, and so on
18:43<damiank>im not very good at bash scripting, i could show you a page which describes the options
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18:43<damiank>i prefer coding in C or C#
18:44<ricardoG1>but, the major problem is to detect when a new file was moved to the folder... that is my major question... o.o
18:44<damiank>well, you can do that by comparison
18:45<damiank>do a database with all the files and then compare one by one to see if there is a new one
18:45<damiank>recursively you can do it
18:46<damiank>you can also search in google
18:46<damiank>there are plenty of examples on file searching
18:47<damiank>and how to work from bash with them
18:47<ricardoG1>i can find any hellfull example
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18:48<goncalo>hi all
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18:49<goncalo>is there a program similar to hjsplit?
18:49<goncalo>!hjsplit | goncalo
18:49<damiank>ricardoG1 check:
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18:51<damiank>think that is what you are trying to do :)
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18:53<goncalo>cant open hjsplit
18:54<damiank>ricardoG1 from the terminal type "file --help" in the terminal that can also be of help
18:54<damiank>i repeated "terminal" im a bit tired :)
18:55<ricardoG1>yes damiank, the problem is that he use GUI, i haven't a gui in my system
18:55<damiank>ok, but you can replace the commands
18:55<ricardoG1>but, thanx anyway, you gave me a good idea about hoy to search
18:55<damiank>there are always alternatives
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18:55<damiank>if you need more help just let me know
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18:58<goncalo>can i get help?
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19:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:00<zumbi>goncalo: ^hi
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19:03<goncalo>hi zumbi
19:04<goncalo>can u help me on hjsplit?
19:04<goncalo>or lxspplit?
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19:05*amphi has used split(1)
19:05<amphi>fully compatible with cat ;)
19:05<goncalo>what is that
19:05<odla>hi i believe i am suffering from this ... ... however that report claims it is closed. i am using the latest acpid and kernel from i can't get my brightness keys to work on my thinkpad with acpi, however, if i boot with acpi=off then my keys work :/
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19:06<amphi>goncalo: split breaks a file up into chunks of the size you specify; the chunks can be rejoined with cat
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19:06<goncalo>how ca i get cat?
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19:07<amphi>you have it
19:07<goncalo>cant find it
19:08<amphi>you'll also have split I expect
19:08<amphi>man split and man cat in a term
19:09<goncalo>wich program do i need to get 5 iso files together?
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19:09<goncalo>i donwloaded a dvd splited in 5
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19:10<goncalo>it says i need hjsplit to get them together
19:10<goncalo>what should i do
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19:11<odla>how can i tell if the kernel from backports has CONFIG_ACPI_PROC_EVENT enabled? it's the 2.6.30 kernel
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19:24<amphi>hmm, powertop shows crazy values on testing: Power usage (ACPI estimate): 193.9W
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19:25<dr|z3d>200W ain't so excessive.
19:25<dr|z3d>Processor + graphics alone can easily hit higher use.
19:25<amphi>not bad for an X-series stinkpad, eh? ;)
19:26<amphi>it's in the bts
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20:41<jrabbit>svn is hating me is it workign for anyone?
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20:47<diego>Hi there, I have a huge external ntfs drive and I could write in it until a few days ago (an update might have break something)
20:47<diego>now ... I can read, not write
20:47<diego>not even with root
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20:47<diego>it says permission denied and I mounted with rw
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20:49<diego>sudo mount /dev/sdd2 /media/cdrom0/ -o rw,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=0000
20:49<diego>and it wont let me :(
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20:51<diego>crap, my fault, its mounting with ntfs by default and not ntfs-3g
20:51<diego>damn, how that got changed in gnome ? anyway to change back
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20:51<diego>anyone knows how to change that default in gnome ?
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21:09<edbian>I have a quick question. Why is the aurora theme engine not in the repos?
21:11<DebZhila>this is weird... apt-get's dependency resolver is messed up or something... attempting to remove gcc-4.4-base seems to want to remove every single package I have installed.....
21:12<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions aurora
21:12<judd>jpinx-eeepc: aurora --
21:12<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: it doesn't appear to exist in debian
21:13<gsimmons>edbian: See Debian bug #537193 for the ITP.
21:13<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions gcc-4.4-base
21:13<judd>jpinx-eeepc: gcc-4.4-base -- sid: 4.4.2-3 squeeze: 4.4.2-3
21:14<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: presumably you are in testing? (or sid)
21:14<edbian>gsimmons: Thanks!
21:14<DebZhila>it appears if I were to try aptitude, it would work without issue
21:14<jpinx-eeepc>you should know what you are doing before running sid
21:14<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
21:14<DebZhila>the 'g' preview command only showed 3 other packages being removed (cpp stuff mainly)
21:15<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: aptitude is generally better at doing stuff
21:15<jpinx-eeepc>!why aptitude
21:15<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
21:15<DebZhila>I just wanted to use apt-get so I could use the --auto-remove with it, rather than have to run another command for autoremove
21:15<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: what does autoremove do that purge doesn't?
21:15<DebZhila>just seemed so weird that removing a package like gcc would want to remove every package I had, so I figured I'd make a note of it
21:16<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: it's sid - expect wierdness ;)
21:16<DebZhila>purge removes debconf settings, autoremove removes any packages marked as auto that no longer have other packages depending
21:16<DebZhila>so, yes, two very different things, heheheh
21:17<edbian>Can someone help me with my sources.list file?
21:17<DebZhila>oh, one thing to note, gcc-4.4-base is also set for upgrade, maybe that causes the issue
21:17<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: nfc - I run stable ;)
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21:18<DebZhila>I'm not necessarily trying to get someone to fix my problem, I'll just use aptitude, no problem, I just figured something so unexpected might want someone to know about this
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21:18<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: file a bug report? I am not sure how the developers accept notes like that
21:19<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: your repo seems to be incomplete
21:19<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: Which?
21:20<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: maybe try using aptspy?
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21:20<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: Do I need the CD line in there twice?
21:20<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: in uchicago there are 2 cases of files not existing...
21:20<Aruna>please help me... i have a HP Intel dual core Laptop i like to install Debian KED... which tiny CD to be installed ?
21:21<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: are you using the CD?
21:21<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: It's commented out
21:21<jpinx-eeepc>then comment out those lines
21:21<Aruna>amd64 ?
21:21<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: But why are there two of them?
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21:21<Aruna>or i386 ?
21:21<DebZhila>oh, whoops, never mind, did a bit more research, found out that gcc-4.4-base is simply the runtime, which is also used by many apps which are required (such as apt), so... nevermind
21:21<jpinx-eeepc>it's immaterial if they are commented out
21:21<Aruna>Anyone help me ?
21:21<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: Ok, I won't worry about it.
21:22<jpinx-eeepc>DebZhila: keep up the good work - you're out there ;)
21:22<jpinx-eeepc>Aruna: netinstall?
21:22<Aruna>for intel HP Laptop
21:22<jpinx-eeepc>!tell Aruna about netinstall
21:22<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: What does it mean "there are 2 cases of the files not existing" Is it talking about 2 specific packages that are missing?
21:23<Aruna>but there are many links to download which version i need to download for intel Dualcore Laptop ?
21:23<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: lines 3 and 6 of yur paste
21:23<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: What about those lines?
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21:24<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: they are saying the the repo does not have something that is needed
21:24<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: change your repo
21:24<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: use apt-spy
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21:24<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: mmm, IC, thank you! fyi if I turn off the sources check box in software sources everything works fine (no error on update)
21:24<Aruna>jpinx-eeepc: but there are many links to download which version i need to download for intel Dualcore Laptop ?
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21:25<Aruna>jpinx-eeepc: i mean which one of this * [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc]
21:25<jpinx-eeepc>Aruna: try the businesscard iso
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21:26<jpinx-eeepc>Aruna: nfc - it's your hardware - read the spec.
21:26<EagleRock>Aruna: for a core2duo, amd64 is the best
21:26<EagleRock>you can also use i386, but amd64 takes advantage of the 64 bit addressing
21:26<Aruna>Dual core ?
21:26<dr|z3d>Aruna: For a dualcore Intel laptop, you can either opt for i386 or AMD64, depending on whether you want 32bit or 64bit Debian.
21:26<EagleRock>oh wait
21:26<Aruna>EagleRock: i have Dualcore Laptop
21:26<EagleRock>"intel dual core"
21:26<EagleRock>hmm, that could only be 32 bit
21:26<EagleRock>you'd have to read the CPU information
21:26<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: intel ;)
21:26<EagleRock>but you can play it safe and install i386
21:27<Aruna>dr|z3d: ok i got for i386 :)
21:27<dr|z3d>Most if not all dualcore Intel mobile chips are 64bit ready.
21:27<EagleRock>dr|z3d: the budget dual-core line is actually a rebranding of the "core duo" processors, which were 32 bit
21:27<EagleRock>so that's not a safe assumption
21:29<dr|z3d>Core duo was 32bit only? Hmmkay. In any event, most folk will want a hassle free 32bit experience, unless they have silly ram to address, at least for desktop use.
21:29<jpinx-eeepc>dr|z3d: as an aside - why would you use amd64 for an intel 64 instead of ia64 ?
21:29<dr|z3d>jpinx-eeepc: you wouldn't.
21:30<dr|z3d>ia is Itanium afaik. Different architecture.
21:30<Aruna>o god.. which one to download now lol
21:30<EagleRock>jpinx-eeepc: ia64 is itanium, not intel 64-bit
21:30<jpinx-eeepc>EagleRock: gotcha ;)
21:30<EagleRock>!why amd64
21:30<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
21:30<jpinx-eeepc>Aruna: i386
21:31<dr|z3d>Aruna: i386 is a good choice, arguably the best choice for you.
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21:31<Aruna>ook :)
21:31<EagleRock>dr|z3d: agreed
21:31<Aruna>i am downloading i386 locked :)
21:31<amphi>Aruna: see if 'lm' is in the flags in /proc/cpuinfo; if it is, you have a 64bit processor
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21:33<Aruna>i think its 32 bit.. previously when i install kubuntu i used 32 bit.. i like to migrate now. i wil try with i386
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21:46<marcos>can someone help me set up my wireless please?
21:46<marcos>I can't get it working
21:46<marcos>it's a broadcom 4312
21:46<marcos>I can't understand the directions
21:48<dr|z3d>marcos: Tell us what you've attempted so far..
21:48<marcos>dr|z3d, I found the card... and I downloaded the cutter, but I can't figure out what piece of firmware I need
21:49<DebZhila>what kind of card?
21:49<marcos>it says b43.
21:49<marcos>it's bcm4312
21:49<dr|z3d>marcos: you could be lazy and opt for ndis-wrapper.
21:49<marcos>sure, how do I set that up?
21:49<marcos>04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
21:49<dr|z3d>install it, feed it windows drivers, job done.
21:50<marcos>is there a gui?
21:50<int_80h>you're on the wrong OS
21:50<dr|z3d>Yup, it's GUI based.
21:51<marcos>int_80h, that's pretty rude. I've been running ubuntu and fedora for a couple years. I just wanted to try my hand at something a little more intensive. no need to be a dick.
21:51<dr|z3d>int_80h: If you have nothing helpful to contribute, perhaps keep quiet?
21:51<marcos>dr|z3d, cool, thanks, I'll try that
21:51<int_80h>don't mean to be harsh, but debian is not for the GUI-addicted. it's the truth, not an attempt at an insult
21:52<int_80h>but i'll shut up if it's unwanted advice
21:52<dr|z3d>int_80h: You're not exactly helping, let's just say that.
21:53<jpinx-eeepc>marcos: I had success with wicd
21:53<marcos>jpinx-eeepc, cool, I'll take a look at that too
21:53<jpinx-eeepc>marcos: as long as the card is supported - wicd should "just work"
21:54<marcos>jpinx-eeepc, cool!
21:54<dr|z3d>Yup, wicd is a good first option.. if that fails, then ndis-wrapper.
21:54<jpinx-eeepc>int_80h: lots of people run debian from gui front ends very successfully
21:55<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions wicd
21:55<judd>jpinx-eeepc: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: squeeze: squeeze: sid:
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21:55<int_80h>I do not believe a person who relied upon one would ultimately be very succesful at any UNIX based operating system, linux included
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21:55<edbian>Does anyone here use Banshee? What is the point of the "now playing" section? All it does is show the banshee logo. Nice logo and all but it seems kinda pointless? Are there visualizations or something I can get?
21:55<jpinx-eeepc>marcos: you'll have to backport wicd if you're using lenny
21:55<int_80h>it's one thing to use it, it's another to rely upon it
21:56<jpinx-eeepc>int_80h: lets say that your experience is different to others here ;)
21:56<dr|z3d>int_80h: Many people use and rely on a DE every day. Really, you don't have a point worth making.
21:56<craigevil>int_80h: BS, i have ran sid for 5 years with few issues, kde then lxde, and i use synaptic for package management and wifi-radar for wifi, GUIs work just fine
21:57<int_80h>well since you all disagree with me, I'll drop it
21:57<marcos>edbian, it shows the current track and the album art if you have it I think
21:57<craigevil>not everyone wants or needs to learn CLI to run linux succesfully
21:57<int_80h>maybe coming from UNIX I'm too old fashioned
21:57<jpinx-eeepc>int_80h: you're not older than me dude ;)
21:58<int_80h>old fashioned, i believe i said
21:58<edbian>marcos: Mine doesn't show the cover art. Just the banshee logo. I can get the current track if I go to full screen but it's just a slider at the bottom. Still most of the screen is a giant logo.
21:59<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: is it meant to be doing some kind of visualisations?
21:59<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: That's what I'm asking. Does anybody know of anything?
21:59<marcos>edbian, weirrrd, try using a new version, I know that the most recent version shows that for me.
21:59<edbian>marcos: I'm running debian lenny. I'm weary to upgrade to sid for 1 package
22:00<jpinx-eeepc>judd: versions banshee
22:00<judd>jpinx-eeepc: banshee -- etch: 0.11.2+dfsg-1 lenny: 1.0.0-1 sid: 1.5.1-1 squeeze: 1.5.1-1
22:00<marcos>edbian, you could compile it yourself. it's a lot of work, but banshee is very cool. :)
22:00<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: it's not in backports, but you could do your own ;)
22:00<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
22:01<edbian>marcos: jpinx-eeepc: I'm on version 1.0 is 1.2 much better? Is 1.2 the newest version??
22:01<marcos>edbian, 1.5.1 is the newest version
22:01<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: see what judd said
22:01<marcos>edbian, but 1.2 is better... I mean, at least more stable, you can check the patch notes for what new features it has
22:01<jpinx-eeepc>it's in squueze and you can backport it yourself
22:01<edbian>I'll try self-compiling. Do I need to remove the old package from my system?
22:02<marcos>edbian, it's the wise choice
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22:02<marcos>or else it could break
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22:04<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: follow those instructions for the backporting -
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22:04<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: it *does* work
22:04<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: I think I'll compile from source. Thank you though!
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22:04<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: I warned you!
22:04<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: that will not resolve the dependencies
22:05<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: warning acknowledged. I'm looking for a thrill! :)
22:05<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: hold these two wires ...... ;)
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22:07<edbian>I do have another quick question. I just themed my system (shiki :) ) When I open a window as root (synaptic for example) root has an old (and ugly theme) which then shows up. Is this a common problem? Should I be syncing root's theme's with mine?
22:08<DebZhila>edbian: anything ran as root will use root's settings, and a theme is a per user setting, so what you see is "by design" yes
22:08<dr|z3d>edbian: Login as root and theme anew.
22:09<dr|z3d>themes are per user/profile.
22:09<DebZhila>work arounds would be to make sure you change theme for root as you change for your user
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22:09<edbian>dr|z3d: DebZhila: I understand that this method preserves modularity but it seems rather trivial what theme root is running. It's ugly for typical users, is that not an issue?
22:10<DebZhila>if you really feel wild and don't care much for best practices, you could symlink roots theme files to point to users theme files
22:10<edbian>DebZhila: Now that is wild! (sarcasm spills onto the floor) computer geeks have a crazy idea of wild huh
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22:10<DebZhila>the idea isn't really to keep root's theme different from user's theme, but rather to keep UserA's theme different from UserB's theme
22:11<edbian>DebZhila: Good point, that's a better way to think about it
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22:12<no3>Hola buenas noches alguien me puede ayudar
22:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:12<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: I suggest you live with it and it will remind you that you are in root and able to break stuff ;)
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22:13<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: That is probably what I'm going to do.
22:13<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: put a big "DANGER" sign on root desktop ;)
22:13<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: lol
22:14<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: strictly speaking you should not be using root so much, and certainly not in a gui
22:14<dr|z3d>Mepis used to do that, and possibly other distros.
22:14<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: maybe use sudo
22:14<dr|z3d>(the large danger sign on the root desktop).
22:14<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: It is rare, that it's an issue. Like I said: synaptic when I use it. That's about it
22:15<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: I don't use synaptic - but then I don't have gnome (or KDE)
22:16<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: Do you have a DE?
22:16<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: lxde
22:16*jpinx-eeepc doesn't like bloat
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22:16<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: What music player do you use?
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22:17<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: vlc
22:17<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: I messed with mplayer for a while, but vlc "just works"
22:17<edbian>jpinx-eeepc: IC
22:17<edbian>Thanks for all your help tonight!
22:18<jpinx-eeepc>yw :)
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22:21*dr|z3d prefers Exaile.
22:21<dr|z3d>judd: versions exaile
22:21<judd>dr|z3d: exaile -- lenny: squeeze: 0.2.14+debian-2 sid: 0.2.14+debian-2.2 squeeze: 0.2.14+debian-2.2
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22:22*jpinx-eeepc doesn't understand the need for visually pleasing audio - it runs in the bg....
22:23*amphi likes moc
22:23*DebZhila doesn't understand the need for audibly pleasing audio
22:23*raylu likes moc(p) too
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22:24<dr|z3d>jpinx-eeepc: You obviously haven't visited a club lately ;)
22:24*dr|z3d remembers the bad old days of club visuals meaning a winamp projection. :/
22:24<jpinx-eeepc>fairysnuff - different environemnt to my desktop/laptop ;)
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