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00:06<prefrontal>how come apt-get install debian doesn't work?
00:06<prefrontal>sorry apt-get install debuild
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00:06<dr|z3d>what does "apt-cache search debuild" tell you?
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00:18<prefrontal>how do i get my secret key for signing packages into a virtual machine?
00:18<prefrontal>where does it live?
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01:27<netzwurm>is there a way to blacklist a module _only_ for initramfs-inclusion?
01:27<netzwurm>i don't want to blacklist the module in general.
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01:47<tag>how the fuk do i start up the arp in "SET"
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02:03<rllu>so, suppose i have some debian sources from
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02:04<raylu>how do i build them? or, rather, how do i apply the diff to use dpkg-buildpackage?
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02:09<ansgar>raylu: dpkg-source -x?
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02:11<raylu>ansgar: wooh, thanks.
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02:33<brianskywalker>does anyone know how to make an app start upon login in windowmaker? thanks
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02:37<Dracari|Away>i dont think or xfce got installed durring the netinst process. at the bash prompt how would i go about doing this?
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02:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Dracari|Away -about install xfce
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03:13<pyrophelia>when your creating a raid with mdadm how do you sepcify the first partion on each disk, is it /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}(1) or /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}{1}?
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03:15<Dracari|Away>xfce is installed gsimmons but, i get just a grey dotted screen when i type startx
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03:31<chattr>Dracari|Away: what's in $HOME/.xinitrc ?
03:32<gsimmons>Dracari|Away: Use startxfce4 instead, alternatively use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" to set xfwm4 as your default window manager.
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03:32<Dracari|Away>back sorry was making ramen
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03:55<EmleyMoor>There's a web chat application I am trying to use - I can get in on my desktop but it hangs at authenticating on my laptop - both run lenny. Is there anything I can do to analyse the situation?
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03:57<jmarsden>EmleyMoor: Yes, anything from checking your firewall logs to running tcpdump ... find out what is being blocked and why.
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04:00<EmleyMoor>wireshark could be good fr it perhaps - might have a go at setting that up.
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04:54<aaron>how do you build a package?
04:55<mike__>aaron, have you got the source package?
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04:57<mike__>aaron, enter the package directory and use dpkg-buildpackage. Preferably not as root and do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot".
04:58<olet_>-rfakeroot is default i believe
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05:00<mike__>aaron, you probably want to do "apt-get build-dep <package>" beforehand to get the build dependences of the package.
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05:01<jesus>buenos días
05:02<mike__>olet, just checked the man page, you are right but you need to have fakeroot installed.
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05:03<jesus>hola a todos
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05:04<jesus>¿algún español?
05:04<babilen>aaron: Why do you want to build that package yourself?
05:04<olet>mike__: yeah of course
05:04<babilen>!tell aaron -about package recompile
05:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:05<jesus>buenos días dpkg
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05:06<aaron>cool cool
05:07<aaron>other question how can i set nano to be my editor for mutt the default is vi
05:07<aaron>and i want to changed it to nano
05:07<tzafrir>hi, I jut got myself a new Lemote Loongson laptop. I thought it would be nice to play with MIPS for a change.
05:08<tzafrir>The system comes with Debian. A sort of
05:08<locklace>aaron: put "set editor=nano" in your .muttrc or change your $EDITOR shell environment variable
05:09<tzafrir>I wasn't hoping for very much. But I clearly wasn't hoping that the ssh key that I generated would be turned down by my other Debian server
05:09<tzafrir>(It's blacklisted, you see)
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05:10<petemc>tzafrir: you might want to look into updating ssh
05:10<babilen>tzafrir: and openssl (or the whole list of packages you can upgrade actually)
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05:10<babilen>!tell tzafrir -about openssl vulnerability
05:11<tzafrir>petemc: yeah. but getting such a box today?
05:11<tzafrir>it's a brand new box
05:11<petemc>with seemingly old software
05:12<tzafrir>it also has this nice line in /etc/sudoers
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05:13<tzafrir>ALL ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
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05:14<Ganneff>tzafrir: you might want to talk to whoever made the linux version they put on.
05:14<tzafrir>This makes me want to want to just install squeeze on it
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05:21<mike__>aaron, also see update-alternatives
05:23<mike__>aaron, update-alternatives --config editor
05:23<aaron>cool thank you
05:24<mike__>Anyone here run Debian/kFreeBSD? The kbsd channel is silent.
05:25<aaron>mike_, how is the kfreebsd project going ?
05:25<mike__>aaron, a lot better than the Debian GNU/Hurd project! :D
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05:25<mike__>aaron, its pretty good. Its meant to be a release goal of squeeze.
05:26<aaron>never used it
05:26<aaron>is there any xorg and files like that on it?
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05:28<mike__>aaron, the only difference to GNU/Linux is the kernel. The userland tools and xorg, etc all look the same. Its only when you start doing kernel stuff like iptables, freebsd use something different.
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05:31<babilen>aaron: ... and better (pf)
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05:38<witte>hello, I think I have encountered this bug ( on a dell optiplex 760. The debian installer boots, but it gets no keyboard inputs once it is started. Any thoughts on how I could avoid it? I tried noapic and nolapic, and I tried to play around in the bios, but found nothing that helped. I use the kmuto installer (because of the network card).
05:38<babilen>aaron: yeah, being able to use pf on your firewall really is a big plus
05:38<aaron>what's pf?
05:38<bittin>pfnewsense a Distro
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05:40<babilen>aaron: a firewall implementation (think iptables for freebsd)
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05:46<aaron>mike__, from where do you download the os?
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05:49<gsimmons>witte: Is your keyboard responsive with the current stable (5.0.3) installer?
05:50<witte>gsimmons: did not try yet, as my network card would need a newer kernel
05:50<witte>gsimmons: normally the kmuto images are not that different from the stable releases if I am correct?
05:55<gsimmons>witte: It's essentially the stable installer with a later kernel, firmwares and other modifications for support of additional hardware. I'd be interested to know if your issue occurs with the 2.6.26 kernel used in the official installer.
05:55<witte>gsimmons: I will test it, but it will take a while (downloading the stable version now)
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06:06<cd>hi guys! I have a situation that puzzles me: in the morning I find my desktop applications arranged in another way that I left them when I went to bed: :) moziila isn't running anymore and nautilus is in another desktop that I left it; could it be a cracker? the computer doesn't seem to be restarted from the last time I powered it on (I checked /var/log/boot)
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06:07<bittin>cd: your sure it isent any family member?
06:07<cd>@bittin: I'm alone here...
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06:08<kon>you don't sleepwalk?
06:08<bittin>:o, then its wierd
06:08<kon>serious question :P
06:08<witte>gsimmons: it does work!, strange
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06:08<witte>gsimmons: how should i proceed to get and a working keyboard and a working internet?
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06:08<cd>kon: I guess I don't sleepwalk.... :D
06:09<kon>you should tape it just to be sure, often you don't know
06:09<locklace>cd: one thing you might try is to use find(1) to search for all files on your system that were modified between the time you went to bed and now
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06:10<gsimmons>witte: Right. You could use it to install the base system (assuming you're using netinst or larger), then manually download/transfer/install a relevant kernel image package after installation, for support of your 82567LM-3 Ethernet controller.
06:10<kon>also cd, you don't have anything like an unprotected and accessible x11vnc server or so installed and running?
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06:11<cd>I'm far from being a guru, but I setup a arno-iptables firewalland seem to work fine
06:11<witte>gsimmons: ok, thanks, but won't it have the same issues with my keyboard, or is this only a installer issue?
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06:12<witte>In any case, I'll report the issue with the provider of the other iso
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06:14<cd>kon: I checked my firewall with online firewall checkers and they tell me that I have a stealth system... Is it possible that I have a trojan somewhere or am I a little more paranoic that I should?
06:15<kon>i don't think too paranoid :)
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06:16<kon>you can use rkhunter or something similar to check your files
06:16<gsimmons>witte: I'm not sure, try it and see to determine. If it occurs, test against 2.6.31 or the trunk 2.6.32 in unstable.
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06:17<witte>gsimmons: ok, thanks, I am at least a lot further now than half an hour ago ;-)
06:20<cd>thanks for the tips guys; I'll make some checks... would it be overdone if I install the whole system again?
06:20<bittin>nope, just save what you wanna save
06:21<cd>bittin: thanks again guys
06:24<locklace>cd: do the find first
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06:25<cd>locklace: what should `find' finds?
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06:27<cd>locklace: I put it another way: what is _ok_ `find' to find and what is the proof of a cracked system?
06:27<locklace>cd: look at the files that have changed between then and now. ordinarily this should only be a small number, things like log files in /var/log
06:27<locklace>cd: so the list of changed files itself is interesting, plus the contents of any unusual-looking file that was changed
06:28<EmleyMoor>What do I need to set in order to be able to use wireshark as non-root?
06:28<locklace>cd: for example, if you saw that an executable file like /bin/ls was changed, that would be a huge red flag
06:28<locklace>cd: although anyone with any clue would reset the mtimes on any files they changed
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06:32<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... wireshark is broken in stable
06:32<bittin>damn :p
06:33<cd>locklace: ok, then if I want to be sure I have a trusty system without searching too much for intrusion (at wich I'm not too skilled) I better reinstall the whole thing? especially as any skilled enough cracker would delete his traces
06:33<locklace>cd: up to you how much work you want to put into analysis vs. reinstall
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06:36<hgalcyfornus> i have problem on my laptop i have sound on my headphones and speaker. i need only on headphones
06:36<cd>locklace: thanks man, I guess I make some searches and finaly reinstall just to make sure; thanks again :)
06:37<EmleyMoor>hgalcyfornus: Often a mixer option or control has to be adjusted for that
06:37<locklace>hgalcyfornus: what kernel version, sound driver, debian version and laptop model
06:37<hgalcyfornus>vt1708s chipset nof my soumnd card
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06:38<hgalcyfornus>i have ubuntu 9.10 debian doesnt work propetly. ASUS K50AB driver hmm new alsa
06:38<hgalcyfornus>kernel new :D
06:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:39<hgalcyfornus>ehhh i know but there is total idiots dont answer on my question. i try here.
06:39<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like wireshark isn't backportable on its own
06:40<locklace>hgalcyfornus: read the part about "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful..." again
06:40<bittin>!based on debian
06:40<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
06:40<hgalcyfornus>i must only off pc speaker
06:40<hgalcyfornus>on 4 chbannels i try and always dont answer
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06:43<hgalcyfornus>i know what is debian and ubuntu but i must try all options to repair my probem please help.
06:43<bittin>i was just curious iam a Debian user
06:44<hgalcyfornus>i must hmmnm switch the audio drivers or run only headphone jack or off the laptop speakers
06:45<locklace>hgalcyfornus: seriously - go to #ubuntu on
06:45<hgalcyfornus>i been there but no help there
06:45<hgalcyfornus>only spam
06:45<locklace>not our problem
06:47*EmleyMoor is going to try putting wireshark on his squeeze box
06:49<EmleyMoor>If it helps me, that will make another reason to keep one...
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06:52<EmleyMoor>Well, it works... squeeze saves the day
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06:58<less>I need some meta advise.
06:59<less>Where to go (IRC channel) for some shell script tips?
06:59<bittin>#bash on Freenode?
06:59<bittin>or whatever shell you use?
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06:59<less>I have a string variable containing a number. but my shell script needs an integer.
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07:00<less>Any Bourne shell will do.
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07:00<bittin>less: #bash on Freenode
07:00<less>I will tru #bash on Freenode, tnx for the suggestion.
07:01<EmleyMoor>How do I monitor with wireshark all traffic destined for or coming from a particular system? (IP based would do)
07:01<locklace>do you think that the wireshark documentation might have something to say on that subject
07:02<shhh>Hope all have a good sunday. I am looking for advice on security issues like anonymity on the internet when usin debian lenny - anyone know if there is a channel for that?
07:02<EmleyMoor>I'm sifting it now - but it's taking some finding
07:02<locklace>that's fine. we'll wait
07:03<simonrvn>wireshark uses tcpdump syntax
07:03<locklace>shhh: maybe ask in #nottor
07:03<shhh>Locklace: thanks i will try!
07:03<simonrvn>tcp port 4545 and not port 3234 # e.g.
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07:06<EmleyMoor>Damn - it's not even performing to the documentation
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07:09<EmleyMoor>Won't even allow a host filter
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07:45<valdyn>EmleyMoor: uh? wireshark wont what?
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07:53<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Found out how to filter now - it didn't match the documentation but I managed
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08:03<dpkg><jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ?
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08:48<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
08:48*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
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09:09<inkbottle>Hi, what are the solution for input text through some kind of handwritting? I'already found dasher and cellwritter
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09:52<pawel>How so set up Parked Domains and Addon Domains on Etch with Apache?
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09:58<munga>I'm setting up a schroot jail. Now I've a problem running anything from the schroot env as user. it seems that /var/lib/schroot/session/ is not user writable ... even though the user in question is in the schroot.conf ... do I need to do anything more then to add a user name in the config file ? (on unstable)
09:58<munga>everytihng works fine as root ...
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10:04<kyrie>I have a problem booting my system (lenny). My boot partition is a raid1 over /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, and my root is on lvm over raid1 on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2. Yesterday night I added a third disk to the arrays, and I rebooted when the sync finished. Now, the system won't boot: "mdadm: no devices for /dev/md0" (the same for /dev/md1), so it doesn't find the lvm group. When dropped into the initramfs shell, mdadm -A --scan fails, but mdadm -A /dev/mdX
10:04<kyrie>/dev/sdaX /dev/sdbX succeeds... What can I do? (or where should I ask?)
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10:19<mansor>hi I want to use kerberos on debian with aes, but it seems that kerberos cannot use aes... do I need to install aes on debian and if yes how?
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10:30<zvzvzvz><zvzvzvz> anybody here
10:30<zvzvzvz><zvzvzvz> i'm looking to get tethering for my laptop or something
10:30<zvzvzvz><zvzvzvz> something cheap anybody info on the matter
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10:31<petemc>zvzvzvz: you seem to be talking to yourself
10:32<kyrie>zvzvzvz: I have no idea what "tethering" means (not a native english speaker), so I really doubt I can help you... but... out of curiosity,
10:32<kyrie>what does it mean?
10:32<zvzvzvz>tethering or theathering
10:32<zvzvzvz>whatever they call it
10:32<zvzvzvz>like to get internet via cellphone or somethingw
10:32<zvzvzvz>on my laptop
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10:32<zvzvzvz>without paying for expensive 3g service
10:33<petemc>how would you expect to get it without paying for it?
10:33<kyrie>like, using the cellphone as a modem?
10:33<zvzvzvz>i guess
10:33<zvzvzvz>i dont know much on the matter as well
10:33<zvzvzvz>all i know is that i need internet for my laptop and i want something cheap
10:33<kyrie>Well, they don't give this service in my country, so I have no idea :(
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10:33<zvzvzvz>i haev no problem using 56k speeds
10:33<zvzvzvz>they shot down all low flying drones in kuwait?
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10:34<abrotman>zvzvzvz: for which OS?
10:34<zvzvzvz>any os
10:34<zvzvzvz>nix windows
10:34<zvzvzvz>i multi os
10:34<abrotman>this is a channel to support Debian .. not "Any OS" ..
10:34<zvzvzvz>what difference does it make
10:34<zvzvzvz>how did i know
10:34<zvzvzvz>and let me guess
10:34<abrotman>the topic says so?
10:34<zvzvzvz>debian isnt really a OS
10:35-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
10:35<zvzvzvz>nope thats not the comment
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10:35<petemc>optonline seems to have a hig ratio of idiots
10:35<abrotman>no comment .. :)
10:37*kyrie is confused
10:37<kyrie>Ok, it seems I managed to solve my problem.
10:37<kyrie>my initrd wasn't up to date.
10:37<locklace>!congratulate kyrie
10:37<dpkg>Woohoo kyrie, you did it!
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10:37<kyrie>mkinitfs did the trick.
10:38<kyrie>hey, nice command :D
10:38<kyrie>!congratulate locklace
10:38<dpkg>Nice one locklace, you did it!
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10:39<Holborn>man mkinitfs
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11:13<boss_>ciao a tutti
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11:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:51<lancelot_of>hallo everybody
11:52<lancelot_of>i can't erase cd with cdrdao or gnomebaker/brasero, while writing any file works. Please help
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12:10<cahoot>lancelot_of: used/tried wodim?
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12:11<lancelot_of>cahoot, exactly, it's what creates problems on gnomebaker/brasero. It gives "wodim:cannot blank disk"
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12:12<cahoot>lancelot_of: see if wodim from command line gives more info?
12:13<lancelot_of>cahoot, no more infos from command line, the same error message
12:13<cahoot>increasing the verbosity does no better?
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12:15<qn3t>I need fonts for Asian languages, what packages should I get?
12:16<qn3t>As right now I just see boxes.
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12:20<sun>hi what's the simplest wireless connection tool, something on the level of the windows connection tool. im tring to use NetworkManager nm-tool and nm-applet, but although i can see networks listed when i type in nm-applet (on the console in text), when igoto the gui nm-applet then they're not there... are there any alternatives to NetworkManager? im using wmii not gnome, so the tray-icon stuff isnt working either.
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12:20<EagleRock>sun: I'd consider network manager the "easiest" tool, but you can try wicd as an alternative
12:21<sun>eaglerock so how do i start a networkmanager gui interface which sows all the available ssids?
12:22<EagleRock>sun: honestly, I'm not sure, as I don't use gnome
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12:23<streuner_>dpkg, listkeys wireless
12:23<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wireless' by key (15 of 19): #debian wireless ;; compat-wireless ;; intel pro wireless 2100 #del# ;; netgear wireless #del# ;; seattlewireless ;; what's my wireless ;; whats my wireless ;; wireless ;; wireless connection manager ;; wireless connection managers ;; wireless help ;; wireless lan ;; wireless tree ;; wireless-more ;; wireless-tools.
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12:23<streuner_>!wireless help
12:23<dpkg>For help with your wireless connection, please <pastebin> (at, for example) the output of the following commands at a minimum: lspci -knn (or lsusb -v for a usb card), uname -a, lsb_release -a, dpkg -l *firmware\*, ifconfig -a, iwconfig, cat /proc/net/wireless
12:23<amphi>sun: wicd is pleasant
12:24<EagleRock>it also doesn't require a tray icon to run
12:24<amphi>good for we trayless ones ;)
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12:25<streuner_>sun: NM works for some people, for some people dont, just read the URL above...
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12:27<streuner_>sun: if you using NM, make sure there is no other daemon running, such as wpa_supplicant or/and others...
12:27<sun>so nm-tool is showing a bunch of wireless networks in my area, but wicd is not showing any??
12:29<sun>(neither nm-applet nor wicd-client -n show anything to try to connect to)
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12:36<sidewalk>is it possible to get an xserver running on a c3600 with visualize fx?
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12:39<pdragon>dose anyone know how to fix this error
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12:40<abrotman>it's a warning .. with a link
12:40<pdragon>but how can i fix it
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12:54<Piet>is there a way to use both xen PVMs and kvm side by side?
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12:55<Piet>I already have a Xen PVM setup, but apparently the hypervisor doesn't pass the vmx/svm cpu capability to the Dom0, which I think would be neccessary to run KVM there.
12:55<MegaLite>ðÏ-ÒÕÓÓËÉ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔ ËÔÏ?
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12:56<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:57<Piet>s/he already disconnected though
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13:09<mambo>can someone help me please?
13:09<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:10<mambo>can anyone help me please? I have a problem with iptables (I think it is a iptables problem)
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13:11<locklace>!tell mambo about how to ask
13:11<locklace>!tell mambo about smart questions
13:11<mambo>so setup svn on my vserver with debia but I cant connect to from my pc
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13:12<Topper>are you sure that the SVN daemon is active?
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13:13<mambo>yeah I can checkout if I am connected over ssh
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13:13<mambo>thats why I think its a iptables issue
13:15<mambo>my system is vserver with debian 5.0.3 minimal I think
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13:15<Topper>iptables -L -n try to see if the svn TCP port is open
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13:15<mambo>I do some google but I didnt find anythink that helps me
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13:18<mambo>ACCEPT tcp -- tcp dpt:3690
13:18<mambo>I think this means it's open right?
13:19<mambo>top tells me svnserve is running
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13:19<mambo>and this is how I run it svnserve -d -r /var/lib/svn/svn_test/
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13:22<mambo>anyone who can help me with this?
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13:23<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
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13:24<mambo>no I wont whine anyway its only a little bit confussing
13:24<mambo>over 400 people in here no one talks at all
13:24<mambo>but I will ask in 10 minutes
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13:44<mambo>hey guys I have a problem with svn running on my vserver. I cant connect to it from my pc. Can anyone help me?
13:44<mambo>I am using Debian 5.0.3 minimal and I think latest SVN from apt-get
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14:10<peej>for a debian package that is not a kernel image, should installing it ever need a reboot? Are there such packages (non-(kernel-image) packages, that need a reboot after install?)
14:11<lobaloba>i nedd help for wifi help debian
14:12<sney>peej: grub-pc
14:12<locklace>peej: init
14:12<locklace>!tell lobaloba about wireless help
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14:12<lobaloba>i dont hawe driver for debian netger
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14:14<locklace>!tell lobaloba about private
14:15<colde89>where can i check which system is installed, a 32bit or a 64bit system?
14:15<lobaloba>i fond driver netger vn111v2 for debian
14:16<sney>colde89: uname -m
14:16<abrotman>is that really the model ?
14:16<colde89>sney: thanks, this works..
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14:18<sney>abrotman: v2 is probably revision 2
14:18<lobaloba>i nedd download the driver for vn111v2
14:18<sney>google says it's usb
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14:20<sney>looks like it would need ndiswrapper
14:20<lobaloba>i fond dont intall from the kernel
14:22<peej>locklace, nope, apt-get --reinstall install sysvinit reinstalls init, (I assume) but doesn't need a reboot.
14:22<peej>sney, ditto with grub and grub-common. Dunno about grub-pc
14:22<locklace>peej: nothing "needs" a reboot, until you want to actually use it
14:23<sney>you don't strictly speaking *need* to reboot immediately, but you... yes, that ^
14:23<peej>I think I see your point, yes
14:24<peej>I mean, for grub. Can you give an example for init?
14:25<sney>squeeze recently offered a switch to dependency-based init, which speeds up boot quite a lot
14:25<sney>you would need to reboot to get the effect, but it wouldn't really affect the full running system unless it was broken
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14:27<Ajurna>hi ... what's the proper way of "uninstalling" an application I compiled myself ? how do I know where the files are and have removed every little bit of it ?
14:27<locklace>you should have worked that out before you installed it
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14:27<locklace>simplest thing in general is to install packages in their own tree, like /usr/local/pkg/<packagename-version>, so you never have to worry about it
14:28<dpkg>well, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
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14:31<sidewalk>is it possible to get an xserver running on a c3600 with visualize fx?
14:31<peej>actually, the reason I'm asking is that the system dependencies for a tarball I want to make an installer script for are getting so confusing (it'd doable, just a lotta work) that the simplest option seems to be to reboot and let debian init sequence sort it out. OTOH I want to set it up so that I can make it fit debian policy and make it eventually become a debian package.
14:31<lobaloba>alternative ndiswapper '''Another
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14:33<sney>lobaloba: get a new wifi controller? also, Netgear didn't release the specs for the 111 so it's their fault there's no native linux driver, so you could call them and say STRONZI until they change their minds
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14:35<lobaloba>SNEY it listens have come here to ask AID
14:36<sney>your options 1) use ndiswrapper 2) throw out netgear, get new wireless
14:36<sney>3) phone Netgear and call them assholes
14:37<sney>there is nothing else
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14:38<lobaloba>sney already 1 tried does not go 2 has come for aid 3 to make the clever ones little
14:38<sney>I give up.
14:38<locklace>!confuse lobaloba
14:38<dpkg>Yes, those is my badger yesterday, lobaloba? Breeches of the Republic of Mongolia with extra herring.
14:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:38<sney>I bet he's confusing in italian too though
14:39<Ajurna>!confuse Ajurna
14:39<dpkg>Yes, them are their gouda tomorrow, Ajurna? Wellies of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra herring.
14:39<sney>dpkg loves herring
14:39<dpkg>sney: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
14:40<Ajurna>dpkg confuse
14:40<dpkg>wish i knew, Ajurna
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14:40<Ajurna>!confuse dpkg
14:40<dpkg>Yes, what was our hamster today, dpkg? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra cream.
14:43*Hydroxide looks longitudinally at dpkg with upturned cantaloupe
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15:30<ComradeHaz>Good evening ladies and gents :) I am suffering from the following bug: but am not a huge fan of the fix there as editing a non-config file seems a bit of a hack. It occurs to me it should be possible to edit /etc/security/limits.conf to achieve the same affect. However, I am not sure quite how. Could someone advise, please?
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15:30<sanduz2>can anyone tell me how to check (without installing) the kernel version being used in the latest testing version? like, maybe a page on the debian site or a package in the list to check?
15:30<eniac_petrov>Hello to all
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15:31<eniac_petrov>sanduz2, apt-get dist-upgrade with N option?
15:32<eniac_petrov>~$ uname -r
15:32<locklace>judd versions --release squeeze
15:32<judd>locklace: --release --
15:32<locklace>judd kernel --release squeeze
15:32<judd>locklace: Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1)
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15:34<eniac_petrov>Do you have any problems with the google gadgets in the squeeze?
15:34<sanduz2>thanks eniac_petrov, that should help.
15:34<eniac_petrov>sanduz2, np
15:34<sanduz2>ComradeHaz, yes ive been to that link but can you tell me which exact file is the latest kernel?
15:34<sanduz2>being used in the release*
15:35<eniac_petrov>I got the "Missing symbol in JS_SetBranchCallback" message
15:35<ComradeHaz>not trivially, I'm running unstable
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15:35<sanduz2>how about in the unstable package list? it seems to show a lot of different kernel versions
15:37<ComradeHaz>dunno how you'd tell tbh :D
15:37*ComradeHaz tries to force his hand higher in the air
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15:38<ComradeHaz>Sir?! Sir?! Please sir! Help!
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16:26<bugjar>how funny it is. both my machines pull updates from my apt-proxy box. they have identical sources.list files (copied one from the other!) and one has adobe-flashplugin and the other does not!
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16:28<abrotman>adobe-flashplugin is from and should *not* be used on Debian
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16:29<rodrigo>anyone know of any good system redundancy link?
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16:29<rodrigo>redundancy of link 2
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16:31<bugjar>abrotman, then why does it show in aptitude?
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16:32<bugjar>as though it were supported? (eg., installed vs. latest)
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16:32<rodrigo>please someone help me?
16:32<dpkg>Most of us are not psychic, and require information in a tangible form.
16:34<abrotman>bugjar: because someone was dumb and installed it
16:34<rodrigo>need to do a balancing with redundancy of 2's link to a server
16:36<rodrigo>please someone help me?
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16:40<slush>rodrigo: maybe heartbeat
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16:42<rodrigo>slush: as well?
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16:42<rodrigo>slush: slush
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16:43<rodrigo>slush: me are doing a lot of problems with this balancing iprouter2 ...
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16:45<slush>rodrigo: ok, your case is totally not clear (at least not for me), maybe you need to clearify your story
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16:47<sney>!confuse slush
16:47<dpkg>Yes, who are my gouda yesterday, slush? Trousers of the People's Republic of Swaziland with extra ham.
16:47<rodrigo>slush: tenho um servidor debian com chegada de 2 link de internet, preciso fazer um balanceamento e redundancia desses link
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16:48<slush>thanks sney
16:49<sney>no problem!
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17:27<bugjar>abrotman, thanks, i feel better now. :) i find exists. it looks like i might have picked up an ubuntu installer or something. would like to know what i did to get it on one machine and not the other tho, and make it look like it was normal... not even a "nonfree
17:27<bugjar> category
17:27<abrotman>that's bad!
17:28<bugjar>bad to have it installing as ubuntu? sort of. the bigger issue is that searching "adobe-flashplugin" returns only ubuntu references
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17:29<bugjar>and the only difference i could see was one had it, the other didn't. like i said, both pull from the same apt-proxy and had the same sources.list
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17:29<sney>bugjar: the debian one is flashplugin-nonfree
17:30<bugjar>sney, so it appears from the wiki, via a
17:30<sney>it is the adobe flash plugin or rather some kind of weird wrapper for something from, and it is available in the non-free section of major apt repos
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17:30<sney>bpo isn't necessary but might have a newer version
17:30<abrotman>it' downloads the tar.gz ..
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17:31<bugjar>additionally, the bpo didn't have a key, so i got hte announcmnt that it was not validated.
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17:32<sney>you can install the key with apt
17:32<bugjar>sney? really? to searching....
17:32<m3onh0x84>hi all, I can't search squeeze testing stable repository for debian 5 ?
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17:32<abrotman>m3onh0x84: those things don't exist ?
17:33<m3onh0x84>If I add to apt, my system is bkoken
17:33<sney>hmm actually it's in contrib bugjar
17:33<abrotman>m3onh0x84: use
17:33<bugjar>sney, ok, thanks.
17:33<m3onh0x84>abrotman: hix, I want to compile new kernel on debian :(
17:33<sney>and doesn't seem to be available for lenny after all. strange, I was sure it was
17:34<sney>m3onh0x84: why?
17:34<abrotman>m3onh0x84: please don't
17:34<m3onh0x84>to read/write ubuntu ext4 partition :D
17:34<abrotman>m3onh0x84: if you're using Ubuntu, you're asking in the wrong place
17:34<sney>I think he wants to read his ubuntu partition from debian
17:35<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
17:35<sney>besides, doesn't 2.6.30 have ext4 support? those are already built, you can get them from ^
17:35<abrotman>lenny doesn't have a .30 except via
17:35<m3onh0x84>abrotman: thanks
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17:37<m3onh0x84>Can I create debian menu recovery like ubuntu ?
17:38<m3onh0x84>menu is dpkg --reconfigure -a, reconfig X, network, system .....
17:39<sney>probably, but very few people in #debian actually use ubuntu, so we aren't very familiar with what it does
17:39<sney>but if it uses dpkg/apt then it should be possible
17:39<m3onh0x84>sney: :D , I use ubuntu a long time :D
17:40<m3onh0x84>but ubuntu so heavy, not light so I use debian replace ubuntu
17:40<sney>I like to think of ubuntu as being debian's prettier, dumber younger cousin
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17:44<m3onh0x84>thankss, I must recovery my debian now, thanks
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17:45<bugjar>well, i stand corrected.. looking at synaptic, adobe-flashplugin has a "latest" but aptitude displays it as a "locally created" package.
17:45<abrotman>it's still not for using with Debian
17:46<sney>you can try it if you want but it's unsupported and if you break it we won't help you dig yourself out
17:46<bugjar>abrotman, no, but the second column in synaptic made me think that somehow it was properly installed by -some- repository, even tho i couldnt figure out which one
17:46<abrotman>not if .. it will break
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17:47<bugjar>and was still supported
17:47<bugjar>yeah, well, converting that machine now
17:47<soul9>apt-cache policy?
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18:06<TGP1994>Hey guys, I have an interesting problem here. I installed the KDE environment, now when I boot up, my pc makes an odd hissing, static-y noise, comming from the pc speaker and my stereo speakers.
18:06<TGP1994>*And that's when I'm actually logged into the KDE environment*
18:06<TGP1994>It freezes up, too
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18:08<Ipsilon>I need help with my ipw2100. I can't seem to get it to work.
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18:09<Ipsilon>It worked for xubuntu and archlinux. But with debian it isn't working
18:09<Xeross>Guys there's this linux package that does what tofrodos does and some whitespace removing and more
18:09<Xeross>what's it called?
18:09<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>.
18:09<themill>judd versions tofrodos
18:09<judd>themill: tofrodos -- etch: 1.7.6-2 lenny: 1.7.8.debian.1-1 sid: 1.7.8.debian.1-1 squeeze: 1.7.8.debian.1-1
18:10<dpkg>ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in kernels since 2.6.14. Firmware is required. Lenny, Squeeze: Add <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package. Etch: Download firmware v1.3 from and extract to /lib/firmware. #ipw2100 on
18:10<themill>Ipsilon: ^^
18:10<TGP1994>Sooo... can anyone help me?
18:11<Xeross>I wasn't asking about tofrodos there's a tool that has similiar functions and some more but I forgot the name
18:14<MJD>TGP1994: What is the output of /proc/asound/cards ?
18:14<themill>Xeross: hmm... tr? indent? what sort of things are you wanting?
18:14<TGP1994>One second please.
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18:15<Ipsilon>sorry, i 'm not sure i get the difference between etch, etc
18:15<TGP1994>MJD: /proc/asound/cards: Permission denied. I'm root, too.
18:16<MJD>TGP1994: I meant what is the contents of the file. Try running: cat /proc/asound/cards
18:17<themill>Ipsilon: what release are you running? cat /etc/debian_version
18:17<TGP1994>MJD: 0 [pcsp ]: PC-Speaker - pcsp Internal PC speaker
18:17<TGP1994>and antoerh line...
18:17<locklace>TGP1994: you'll want to blacklist that
18:17<dpkg>pcspkr is, like, makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezo spkr, attached to the Motherboard). Add "blacklist pcspkr" to any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (/blacklist, /local, /blacklist.local, etc) to kill it -- and/or "blacklist snd_pcsp" since 2.6.26 kernels - 'alsamixer' might show a PC Speak[er] slider/option as well. Ensure /etc/modules does not contain any modules you're blacklisting
18:18<TGP1994>1 [AudioPCI ]ENS1371 - Ensoniq AudioPCI\
18:18<TGP1994>there it is
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18:18<TGP1994>locklace: Black list the PC Speaker?
18:18<locklace>without delay
18:18<MJD>TGP1994: Ya. Newer kernels try to use the PC Speaker as a real sound card. Unless you plan on using it, just blacklist it.
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18:20*Xenguy wonders why using a PC Speaker as a real sound card is supposed to be a 'feature'...
18:20<TGP1994>Tru dat.
18:20<TGP1994>So how can I blacklist it?
18:21<MJD>? because people don't have soundcards (still?) I do have a computer w/o a soundcard in it.
18:21<MJD>dpkg tell TGP1994 about pcspkr
18:21<TGP1994>that didn't work...
18:21<dpkg>it has been said that pcspkr is makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezo spkr, attached to the Motherboard). Add "blacklist pcspkr" to any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (/blacklist, /local, /blacklist.local, etc) to kill it -- and/or "blacklist snd_pcsp" since 2.6.26 kernels - 'alsamixer' might show a PC Speak[er] slider/option as well. Ensure /etc/modules does not contain any modules you're blacklisting
18:21<TGP1994>is makes?
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18:23<TGP1994>Alright, question, is it possible to go back into the KDE Gui from a full termina, if I earlier exited from a KDE gui?
18:23<Ipsilon>working, thnx
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18:24<MJD>TGP1994: Yes, how did you quit it?
18:24<TGP1994>From the log in screen, I went to the second button to go to the terminal.
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18:25<MJD>Generally speaking, if you log out from the terminal and wait a bit (minute or so), it should go back. I'm not sure exactly though.
18:26<TGP1994>Ya, I've actually been in the CL for quite a bit now :S I know that I can restart the kdm service, but I was just hoping that there was a more... cleaner way of doing it.
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18:27<MJD>Usually I do that myself. I'm sure there is a cleaner way, I just don't how. Does anyone else?
18:28<TGP1994>Well, I suppose it doesn't matter, since I don't plan on using the terminal like that any more. Thank you and everyone else for your help.
18:29<TGP1994>Uh oh
18:29<TGP1994>it's doing it again.
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18:30<TGP1994>it stopped
18:30<TGP1994>It did it for a little bit when it said Starting akonadi server... but now it's done.
18:31<TGP1994>Damn, KDE is hot.
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18:32<locklace>!love KDE
18:32*dpkg makes love to KDE, caressing KDE's hair, whispering sweet nothings in KDE's ear...
18:32<TGP1994>Is there a ...
18:32<TGP1994>!love GNOME
18:32*dpkg makes love to GNOME, caressing GNOME's hair, whispering sweet nothings in GNOME's ear...
18:32<TGP1994>!love Life
18:32*dpkg makes love to Life, caressing Life's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Life's ear...
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18:32<MJD>TGP1994: After you blacklist the module, you have to restart the computer. Or remove the snd_pcsp module from a console.
18:32<TGP1994>Ah, ok.
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18:36<TGP1994>I can't install icon themes.
18:36<TGP1994>Sometimes the button will say it did, but it won't show up in my list, other times the button won't change at all.
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19:01<kaziem>Hi guys.. I'm running into a lot of trouble with debian squeeze netinstall on amd64
19:01<kaziem>the latest can't find the ramdisk /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
19:01<kaziem>and if I try to install it without gui, it stop recognizing my keyboard, so I can't continue the install process
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19:01<kaziem>anyone around that can help me ?
19:02<witte>kaziem: tried starting with "noapic nolapic" options? (press tab to get a command line)
19:03<kaziem>witte: I just tried - no go
19:03<kaziem>I find a /install.amd/initrd.gz file in my netinstall disc
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19:04<kaziem>but not a /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz
19:04<kaziem>so when i manually edit the graphical install to point to the initrd.gz it goes into curses install
19:04<kaziem>but keyboard doesn't work
19:05<witte>kaziem: the noapic nolapic options should help the no keyboard issue (normally)
19:05<witte>but you know of course that the daily builds are not exactly stable...
19:05<kaziem>it didn't help =(
19:05<kaziem>if I don't use the daily builds I have bigger problems
19:06<kaziem>like, graphical install giving an error
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19:08<witte>kaziem: can you try a daily build from a few days ago?
19:08<kaziem>same problem with text install
19:08<kaziem>but graphical will give errors since long
19:08<kaziem>there's an open bug about it
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19:08<kaziem>but no keyboard bugs me
19:08<witte>kaziem: ok, which bug
19:09<kaziem>that's the bug I find if I try an install from a few days ago
19:10<witte>kaziem: ok, but you don't really need a graphical installer, do you, the ncurses version works just as well
19:10<witte>at least if we can solve your keyboard issue
19:12<kaziem>yes, let's try to solve the keyboard issue please
19:12<kaziem>this is driving me nuts for about 2 weeks now..
19:12<witte>kaziem: which pc is it
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19:12<kaziem>AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
19:13<kaziem>2gig DDR2 RAM
19:13<witte>i had a keyboard issue today as well, and I could not install (due to keyboard problems) with a 2.6.30 kernel, but I was able to boot with the 2.6.26 version of the stable release
19:14<witte>ok, you did try the command line, where you added 'noapic nolapic' for the non-graphical version?
19:14<babilen>why install with a testing installer in the first place?
19:15<kaziem>yes I tried and it didn't work
19:15<kaziem>babilen: I'll paste you why
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19:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:15<witte>paste it online, so I can have a look as well ;-)
19:15<babilen>kaziem: Just asking .. I am a bit late to the party
19:16<babilen>kaziem: You know about kmuto?
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19:17<kaziem>that's what happens when I use the stable netinstaller and pretend to dist-upgrade
19:17<babilen>kaziem: That is lenny->squeeze ?
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19:17<babilen>kaziem: How did you upgrade? Did you follow the basic steps in the release notes?
19:18<witte>kaziem: you can do ctrl-alt-f1 to go to a console, and fix your system from there, I would not reinstall
19:18<kaziem>I just added the squeeze repositories
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19:18<kaziem>apt-get update
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19:18<babilen>as in:
19:18<kaziem>apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:18<kaziem>witte: It's not a xserver problem, it's that I can't even see the boot messages at all
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19:19<babilen>hmm, bot is slow. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
19:19<witte>kaziem: than you can use your cd as a rescue cd, and do a chroot to install whatever you need
19:19<Guest1605>I have a scsi scanner. If I boot my computer with the scanner turned off, my pc does not recognize it. How can I get the computer to recognize the scanner with out rebooting?
19:20<babilen>kaziem: I would suggest, that you install using the stable installer and we work on the upgrade. Are there specific reasons why you want to upgrade?
19:21<kaziem>the philosophy of use I'll give to it is testing and using semi-stable "new" packages
19:21<kaziem>ok I'll install the stable and go from there
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19:22<babilen>kaziem: That will be the best way given you problems with the squeeze d-i
19:22<themill>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
19:22<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
19:22<themill>babilen: dpkg doesn't cope with ! and -> at the same time. Don't ask why, you don't want to know.
19:22*babilen is not asking
19:24<raylu>dpkg, apt-listchanges
19:24<dpkg>from memory, apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>.
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19:26<raylu>dpkg, d-d-a
19:26<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' < /dev/null" or Ask me about <apt-listchanges>
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19:27<witte>!tell raylu about selftell
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19:47<kaziem>ok I began the installation
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19:47<kaziem>babilen: i should aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade?
19:48<kaziem>when done
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19:49<witte>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
19:49<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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19:53<mallards>does anyone know how to use a preseed config but have it ask you for the hostname?
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19:54<mallards>d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname
19:54<mallards>d-i netcfg/get_domain string unassigned-domain
19:54<mallards>d-i netcfg/get_hostname seen true
19:54<mallards>d-i netcfg/get_domain seen true
19:54<mallards>d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname
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19:55<mallards>sorry for the flood ---- didnt realize the power of copy/paste
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19:58<babilen>kaziem: I would also suggest to have a look at the release notes for lenny. A lot of tips and procedures can be considered "best practice"
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20:07<kaziem>babilen: ok reading chapter 4 of it now about upgrading
20:08<babilen>kaziem: great.
20:08<kaziem>the install finished too, so I'm going to follow the recommended procedure to port into squeeze
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20:14<kaziem>first error
20:15<kaziem>dpkg unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package '' contains empty filename
20:15<dpkg>kaziem: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
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20:17<witte>kaziem: remove that package and try to install it again later
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20:22<kaziem>witte: trying to remove the package gives the same error
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20:22<babilen>kaziem: Could you paste that error? this is on a completely fresh Debian install? Why is Openoffice installed at all?
20:23<kaziem>it's on a completely fresh Debian install yes
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20:25<babilen>kaziem: ah!
20:25<babilen>ok, let's do this one step at a time
20:25<kaziem>and this is what happens when I try to remove that package witte:
20:25<kaziem>ok babilen
20:26<babilen>try "aptitude install aptitude" and paste the output
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20:26<babilen>is the same? (should be)
20:27<kaziem>yes the same
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20:29<witte>kaziem: good luck with it, I need to go to sleep, it is 2:30 here, and i have to work tomorrow ;-)
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20:29<babilen>yes ... it is 2:30 :-\
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20:30<kaziem>same timezone here =)
20:30<kaziem>I think it's because I replaced the lenny stanzas with squeeze stanzas
20:30<kaziem>but the release notes said to do that
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20:31<spikedeggnog>how common are the strings, "gmonstart" and "jvregisterclasses", with commands following them, in debian binaries and what are they for please?
20:32<babilen>kaziem: Replacing the stanzas is fine and the correct first step in upgrading to squeeze
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20:32<spikedeggnog>I ran find . | xargs grep '_Jv_RegisterClasses' in my bin and sbin dirs and found a lot of them
20:33<kaziem>something is messed up then.. it works good now that i re-added the lenny stanzas
20:33<babilen>kaziem: does /var/lib/dpkg/info/* looks like the post in the ubuntuforums?
20:33<babilen>kaziem: ok, remove openoffice then please
20:33<spikedeggnog>are these strings common and what are they used for or are they malicious?
20:33<kaziem>ok, did, and did aptitude install aptitude
20:34<kaziem>going to try the next sep
20:34<babilen>kaziem: aptitude purge ""
20:34<babilen>hang on ....
20:34<babilen>now change your sources list to include squeeze
20:34<kaziem>yeah, I did
20:34<mallards>does anyone know how to use a preseed config but force debconf to ask you for the hostname?
20:34<babilen>and do aptitude update
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20:35<babilen>kaziem: aptitude install aptitude
20:35<kaziem>i'm past that step
20:35<babilen>kaziem: Did it work?
20:36<babilen>kaziem: ok, "aptitude safe-upgrade"
20:36<kaziem>why it would need the lenny repos boggles my mind though =)
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20:37<babilen>kaziem: Sorry don't have the time to find that error.
20:37<kaziem>ok babilen thanks for everything so far
20:37<kaziem>I'll try to work from here on
20:37<spikedeggnog>does neone else see these strings in their binaries?
20:37<kaziem>but as far as I see, this safe-upgrade is just to resolve dependencies
20:37<babilen>kaziem: I did basically nothing :-D
20:37<kaziem>the problem is in the post-install
20:37<kaziem>hah nah you helped bab
20:38<kaziem>thanks !
20:38<babilen>problems in the post install?
20:38<babilen>did 'aptitude safe-upgrade' finish already?
20:39<kaziem>not yet
20:39<kaziem>but I know hal will fail in the post-inst =)
20:39<babilen>we will see ...
20:40<spikedeggnog>hello friends someone see my questions please?
20:40<babilen>I'll be back in a second. If that step is done conclude the upgrade with 'aptitude full-upgrade' you will be asked about grub-pc (yes to chainload), dependency based booting (yes) and if you want to restart several services. It is of uttermost importance that you restart these services ...
20:40<kaziem>I don't know if they're commong spikedeggnog
20:41<kaziem>babilen: dependency based booting fubars all installation last time heh
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20:41<babilen>spikedeggnog: Sorry, I don't have the time to handle two people now, as I want to sleep soon. Try your luck at #debian@freenode ok? Sorry ...
20:41<kaziem>not sure I want the dependency based booting yet.. maybe after we get this dist-upgrade first?
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20:42<babilen>No problem, do as you please. You can always reconfigure inssrv
20:42<babilen>ok, brb
20:43<spikedeggnog>babilen: thank you but freenode blocks tor on their public servers and their hidden tor service is closed
20:44<kaziem>spikedeggnog: I have many coincidences as well
20:44<kaziem>do you want my list?
20:45<babilen>spikedeggnog: You might want to run rkhunter, chkrootkit et al if you are concerned. I have never seen this (but i have never looked so no wonder)
20:45<spikedeggnog>kaziem: you see these strings, too? if so, please pastebin them for me to analyze
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20:45<spikedeggnog>kaziem: just the snippet around those strings on common binaries
20:46<babilen>spikedeggnog: If you are *really* concerned: gather as much informatio and write to ...
20:46<spikedeggnog>babilen: I have, thanks, rkhunter, chkrootkit, and clamav reveal nothing
20:46<spikedeggnog>babilen: thanks I will do!
20:46<kaziem>spikedeggnog: is this what you're looking for?
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20:47<spikedeggnog>kaziem: yes, now look inside the binaries with a text editor and find the code, what follows it?
20:47<spikedeggnog>kaziem: this isn't strictly a debian issue, I've found the same strings on all Linux distros
20:47<kaziem>uh, which package in particular? there's tons like you saw
20:48<spikedeggnog>kaziem: try one of the smaller ones with less gibberish to comb through please
20:48<babilen>spikedeggnog: I don't think though that you should be concernen ... Why do you think this is strange?
20:48<spikedeggnog>kaziem: I'll be posting to debian security ML about this
20:48<spikedeggnog>babilen: I've seen commands customized across several installations, some with a few commands following, some with apparent malicious code following
20:49<spikedeggnog>babilen: what appears to be shellcode with logos used for keys
20:49<spikedeggnog>babilen: it is possible it could be due to a router compromise
20:50<spikedeggnog>babilen: I wish to determine if other people have discovered this anomoly as well
20:50<babilen>spikedeggnog: Sorry, I would be interested to analyse this another time. But not right now ;-D
20:50<spikedeggnog>babilen: thank you happy holidays to you
20:50<babilen>spikedeggnog: looking forward to your post then
20:50<kaziem>spikedeggnog: i don't know how to edit it
20:50<kaziem>gedit doesn't work
20:50<kaziem>and vi shows gibberish
20:51<spikedeggnog>kaziem: page down through the gibberish
20:51<spikedeggnog>kaziem: you may also try the strings command
20:51<spikedeggnog>kaziem: or a hexdump command objdump one of them
20:51<spikedeggnog>i'll take it to list later, I'm filling up too many kind people's screens here with this
20:52<kaziem>babilen: i'm in the post-install right now.. I hope it does work now
20:52<kaziem>spikedeggnog: I don't know how to help you, I can't search for this string with vim or gedit.. and hexdump just shows numbers, not ASCII
20:53<kaziem>ah hexdump -C
20:53<kaziem>but there's no _Jv_RegisterClasses part in there
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20:54<kaziem>yeah, pattern not found
20:54<kaziem>i tried with hostname binary, that is only 10KB
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20:57<spikedeggnog>kaziem: if you load a binary within vi, you can hit page down or down arrow and scroll through the gibberish until you find the gmon start area, around this area there should be other commands following it before it continues into gibberish, usually this portion is near the beginning of a binary
20:57<spikedeggnog>kaziem: Jv RegisterClasses is in many of them you did a search for them
20:58<kaziem>it really isn't in hostname binary
20:58<kaziem>i'll try some other
20:58<babilen>kaziem: Did it work so far?
20:58<kaziem>so far yes :)
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20:58<kaziem>but still didnt meet hal
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20:59<babilen>spikedeggnog: I guess ##c@freenode might be a good place to ask. AFAIT this is nothing to worry about ..
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21:00<spikedeggnog>babilen: thank you, I cannot log into freenode with tor, I'll use ML later thank you happy holidays
21:00<kaziem>babilen: error
21:00<kaziem>hal failed
21:00<kaziem>xserver-xorg depends on hal
21:01<kaziem>network manager stopped working, no internet access on desktop computer to paste error messags
21:04<babilen>kaziem: ok, change to a tty (ctrl-alt-F1), shutdown X (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) and continue there
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21:04<babilen>kaziem: You want to do this with "aptitude install"
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21:05<babilen>kaziem: You *do not* upgrade releases from within a X session ;-)
21:05<kaziem>Errors were encountered while processing:
21:06<kaziem>and a bunch of xserver-xorg packages
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21:06<babilen>ok, that is from the console with no X running?
21:06<kaziem>no this was from X
21:06<kaziem>was last message of aptitude just pasting
21:06<kaziem>ok logging into console
21:07<babilen>stop X!
21:07<kaziem>ok stopped
21:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:08<babilen>kaziem: 'aptitude install'
21:08<babilen>deed: /join ;-)
21:08<kaziem>no internet, it fails
21:08<kaziem>since no network-manager
21:09<babilen>how do you connect to the internet?
21:09<kaziem>ok configured insternet
21:09<babilen>ah, great
21:09<kaziem>but it fails
21:10<babilen>what fails?
21:10<kaziem>Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
21:10<kaziem>dpkg: error processing hal (--configure)
21:10<dpkg>kaziem: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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21:11<sney`>thanks dpkg
21:11<babilen>kaziem: stop the aforementioned services (nm and hal)
21:12<babilen>you could also install 'pastebinit' and run 'aptitude full-upgrade | pastebinit' to get the output online
21:12<kaziem>i have the same problem
21:12<kaziem>after I stop hal
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21:13<kaziem>Reloading system message bus config...done.
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21:13<kaziem>Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed
21:13<kaziem>dpkg: error processing hal (--configure)
21:13<dpkg>kaziem: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
21:14<kmap>dpkg ← name of several programs, including this bot. :-)
21:14<dpkg>kmap: are you smoking crack?
21:14<kmap>dpkg: No, just speaking the truth. Anyway, let me get back to work, rather than argue with bots
21:14<dpkg>kmap: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request
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21:16<Ipsilon>all of a sudden i lost the ability to see shared files from my windows machine on my debian
21:16<Ipsilon>this was right after installing samba and changing my xorg.conf file to fix my touchpad
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21:16<Ipsilon>don't know what the problem might be :/
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21:17<babilen>kaziem: Hmm, there are ways to debug this. You could add "set -x" after "set -e" and paste the output then ..
21:18<kaziem>which set -e?
21:18<Ipsilon>anyone have any ideas... could doing something on my xorg.conf file do something to mess up my network or sharing of files?
21:18<babilen>kaziem: ah right ... within /etc/init.d/hal
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21:18<olpcfan>Sometimes on restart I'm asked for my root password for maintenance. I can control-D and it goes away. Nothing on the net that I could find was relevant.
21:19<olpcfan>Is it safe to enter the password? Seems fishy.
21:19<babilen>kaziem: But my advice would be to install the base system and upgrade that (no X, no nothing just the essentials) and then install whatever you need
21:19<babilen>judd: versions hal
21:19<judd>babilen: hal -- etch: lenny: 0.5.11-8 sid: 0.5.13-6 squeeze: 0.5.13-6
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21:23<babilen>kaziem: Could you try '/etc/init.d/dbus' restart and then '/etc/init.d/hal restart'
21:25<babilen>aeh, ist '... dbus restart'
21:25<kaziem>same problem
21:26<kaziem>should I remove /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket?
21:26<babilen>hmm, something is strange and i want to go to bed. I would suggest installing the base system (no X no openoffice you get the idea) and upgrade that to squeeze from a console from the start .. or find a kind soul to help you.
21:27<kaziem>ok babilen
21:27<babilen>kaziem: can't hurt. Altough I doubt that it is the same issue ..
21:27<kaziem>thanks for everything!
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21:27<babilen>but try it ..
21:27<kaziem>i will
21:27<babilen>and don't do this again from within X
21:27<babilen>does removing help anything?
21:28<babilen>I would also be interested in the output of '"hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes"
21:28<jmarsden>olpcfan: Debian will drop to a recovery shell if a filesystem needs maintenance... that's "normal".
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21:29<babilen>kaziem: You have to stop hal first "/etc/init.d/hal stop"
21:29<babilen>kaziem: alright, good luck
21:29<kaziem>thanks bab
21:31<kaziem>huh yeah
21:31<kaziem>removing that file
21:31<kaziem>thats what happened after removing it:
21:32<babilen>ok ...
21:32<babilen>edit /etc/init.d/hal and remove the 'set -x'
21:32<kaziem>now i'll do the full-upgrade
21:33<kaziem>so happy i got it to work
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21:33<kaziem>WE rather
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21:33<kaziem>sucks that this bug is kinda old and nobody is actually fixing it
21:35<babilen>just do these things within a console ...
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21:35<kaziem>i will but
21:35<kaziem>you think it mattered?
21:35<dondelelcaro>kaziem: the best person to fix a bug that you're having is you
21:36<kaziem>and the debian maintainer
21:36<kaziem>my knowledge is limited, is why I'm not maintaining anything... yet
21:37<dondelelcaro>odds are the maintainer is busy, can't reproduce your bug, or doesn't see your bug as being important enough
21:37<dondelelcaro>anyway, it may be fixed eventually... but the best way to get it fixed fast is to learn what you need to fix it
21:38<kaziem>I did actually propose a fix for lsb-base once
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21:38<kaziem>but this is out of my knowledge totally
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21:39<Ipsi>this appeared in my network folder:dnssd-local-_ftp._tcp.local
21:41<kaziem>did you upgrade some package lately?
21:41<dondelelcaro>kaziem: in that particular case, the best thing is to find a way to reliably reproduce it; then the maintainer can figure it out and fix it
21:42<Ipsi>i installed gamin-samba
21:43<dondelelcaro>kaziem: that's actually why the maintainer hasn't fixed it, because the maintainer probably has never seen the problem. [I know I haven't]
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21:43<TGP1994>Hey MJD, remeber that problem I had?
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21:46<TGP1994>Well, if anyone is here, I'm having a problem where after logging into KDE, it sits at the desktop with a window saying "Starting Akonadi server...", then static begins comming through my PC speaker and my desktop speakers. It freezes there, with the sound. Any ideas anyone?
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21:48<TGP1994>BTW CPU usage is at 99%.
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21:52<Ipsi>no idea. I've been waiting for help too. So i doubt there's anyone here
21:52<TGP1994>Lol and it looks like there's 100+ people in this room.
21:53<TGP1994>So what is your problem, Ipsi?
21:53<Ipsi>i lost my ability to see shared folders
21:53<TGP1994>What were you doing before then?
21:53<Ipsi>i installed samba and changed my xorg.conf.. i don't remember doing much else
21:54<TGP1994>I guess that stuff goes beyond my knowledge, sorry :S
21:54<Ipsi>that's ok. I guess i'll be able to fix it eventually
21:55<kaziem>is samba up and running?
21:55<Ipsi>i'm unsure
21:55<Ipsi>there is no tray icon or anything
21:56<kaziem>ps aux | grep samba
21:56<Ipsi>i get some values
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21:57<sney`>TGP1994: run 'top' in terminal to see what is using your cpu
22:00<TGP1994>Well, I can't really cause it's frozen.
22:01<TGP1994>I am running Debian in VMware by the way.
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22:01<TGP1994>I know VMWare is what's using the CPU
22:01<Ipsi>does samba also handle incoming shares?
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22:27<TGP1994>Can anyone help me?
22:28<TGP1994>Anyone available to help?
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22:31<bugjar>TGP1994, if debian is the guest, rather than the host, VMware *wouldn't* be what is on top
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22:33<bugjar>TGP1994,, last thing i saw you say was that you knew what was on top, because the debian machine was in a vm, so it seems to me that you don't know what is on top, since the debian machine is a guest on another vmware host
22:33<TGP1994>Ummm... what ever you mean by "On top"
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22:35<TGP1994>So, do you know how I could possibly fix this problem?
22:35<bugjar>the problem of the static sound or the CPU usage?
22:35<TGP1994>Static sound, which I'm guessing is causing the cpu usage.
22:36<bugjar>i don't run KDE, but a wild stab would be to stop Akonadi. you said that was starting it went haywire
22:37<TGP1994>True. So what should I edit to stop it?
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22:40<bugjar>er, kill `ps -ef | grep -i "Akonadi"?
22:40<TGP1994>Wouldn't KDE just start it when I try to log in though
22:41<bugjar>that's the begining , but since i don't know enough KDE... maybe in the .kde subdir KDE finds its start ups?
22:42<bugjar>might be useful to have a tty .... [alt][ctrl] [f3] to run before hand to watch logs and such
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22:43<bugjar>how does one kill qjackctl? even `kill -9 PID` is not working.
22:44<bugjar>the little windows it brings up will close and "force quit" but the terminal stays hung...
22:44<bugjar>in lenny.
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22:47<Ipsi>ok, so when i go to location an di put smb://X.X.X.X i am able to see my shared folders
22:47<Ipsi>is there a way to set it up on a folder?
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23:02<netzwurm>is there a way to prevent a certain module from being included in an initramfs image without blacklisting it overall?
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