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00:30<cobhcf82>got a quick question, I am new to linux, so please forgive me for this newbie question. I started a ping to thinking that it will only send 4 packets like windows does. But apparently its not the same in linux. I tried to close it by pressing ctrl+break but it didnt work, so I closed the terminal window. Would the OS be still sending pings to the server? Or the process dies once I close the terminal window?
00:31<sney>yes, it dies when you close the window
00:31<sney>CTRL+C also stops processes
00:31<cobhcf82>ohok, I didnt know that.
00:32<cobhcf82>i just installed linux today and wanted to try it out. Thanks a lot.
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00:32<sney>also, ping -c4 host will stop after 4 pings
00:32<cobhcf82>oh ok
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01:14<knoppix1111>Hey I have a knoppix problem if someone can help..
01:15<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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01:15<knoppix1111>oh, thanks man
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02:24<blal>no u
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03:57<perk>emily, hi
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04:13<snogglethorpe>there's the kind of user debian needs more of
04:13<snogglethorpe>none of this belly-aching over missing features
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04:18<pikaro>where is the right place to ask non-debian-specific "how to ..."-questions? can someone suggest a good channel / network?
04:19<snogglethorpe>doesn't it depend on what ... is?
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04:22<pikaro>snogglethorpe, i'd say system administration
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04:29<ant>is anybody good with grub? or could you tell me where to find the grub channel?
04:29<petemc> if you're using debian you can ask your question here
04:30<babilen>ant: ... and #grub is on
04:31<snogglethorpe>of course you can always pretend you're using debian and ask here anyway...
04:32<babilen>snogglethorpe: not likely. We have specific ubuntunite counter measures ;-)
04:32<ant>ok,thx... :) maybe you could help too... when rebooting, grub freezes before countdown starts... i did a grub floppy and this works just fine... yes always debian ;) what could be my problem?
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04:37<babilen>ant: Tried updating grub? Any changes to the infrastructure lately?
04:37<babilen>ant: And By freeze you mean freeze, or just an error + unlimited waiting? Do you really have to hard reset your machine?
04:38<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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04:39<ant>yes i mean freez, no error, just freeze.... and to reinstall i tried already, but i've just came across some command with a "-d" i'll give it a try, but thx for quick help :)
04:40<babilen>ant: You might also want to gather input in but the fixmbr would be the first thing I try
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04:42<ant>okay, thx :) i'll give that a try too :) could be, cause the hdd is very old... only strange thing is, that it already worked and now it doesnt... maybe its my fault :)
04:42<jm_>ant: so it freezes when the default option is to boot?
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04:49<ant>jm_ yes the problem is, that it loads grub, it shows this blue menu where i can choose, but no reaction to keyoard, no countdown, just freeze... however, the floppy grub just loads fine, i have a prompt and can boot to debian on the hd... just the original grub on hd doesnt work... seems so strange to me... maybe its problem with bios, i dont know... :(
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04:52<jm_>ant: is it usb keyboard?
04:53<ant>no its an old laptop with few ram, broken cmos battery and small hd...
04:54<ant>i mean debian works very fine, as long as i boot it with the grub from floppy, so i cant be so serious problem...
04:55<ant>and grubreinstall didnt work... :) maybe i just have to stick with a floppy bootloader and nobody knows why :)
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04:56<jm_>which version of grub are you using on both?
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04:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:57<steve_>should i use debian or ubuntu?
04:57<locklace>!start a distro war
04:57<dpkg>Gentoo is responsible for global warming.
04:57<steve_>gentoo is rice
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04:58<ant>jm_ they both say grub 0.97... guess thats just the stable version from repo...
04:58<steve_>why are there only two people in #ubuntu?
04:58<steve_>i need ubuntu help
04:58<ant>i also used the same files for the floppy that i had on hd...
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04:59<locklace>steve_: go to #ubuntu on
04:59<jm_>ant: hmmm did you try grub2?
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04:59<babilen>steve_: and why do you ask that question in #debian? don't you know the answer beforehand?
04:59<jm_>ant: are you sure it doesn't hang when it gets to boot the default entry?
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05:01<ant>not yet, no :) jm_ you think that'll bring an advantage? yeah im more or less sure, because there should be this standard 5sec countdown before it boots defalt entry, but theres no countdown on my grub :) so i must freeze before that...
05:02<ant>and debian really runs very well, as soon as i boot root=/dev/hda1 from floppy grub...
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05:03<jm_>ant: hmm that's odd, but no real surprise with all BIOS quirks and bugs - it's worth trying I guess
05:05<ant>yes, jm_ so i hope it's a bios thing, so its not debians fault ;) yes i try, maybe i'll find a solution... :) but thx anyway :)
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05:11<jm_>ant: it must be either BIOS or GRUB
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05:13<ant>so jm_ in your personal opinion do you believe that it could be possible, that a broken cmos battery f*cks up bios so that grub is not working? or is this not possible?
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05:16<jm_>ant: I have hard time imagining broken CMOS battery causing this, but who knows
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05:18<srk>hi all
05:18<srk>hope people those are here know about ubuntu?
05:18<ant>srk nope ;)
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05:28<hans>Guten Morgen!
05:30<hans>Das Paket lässt sich nicht installieren. Die Fehlermeldung sagt was von "unerfüllten Abhängigkeiten".
05:30<ant>oje hans :)
05:30<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
05:30<hans>Dabei habe ich hier Debian Lenny im Auslieferungszustand...
05:30<hans>Oh... danke!
05:31<hans>Here you speak english?
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05:31<ant>also hab das oo-paket leider schon sehr lange installiert, aber da gabs keine probleme ;) oke guys i switch toenglish :)
05:32<ant>hans, this cannot be :)
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05:32<hans>Okay, you are very long on debian, that you installed ooo before a few years i think...
05:32<ant>half a year ago, on debian lenny, but that worked justfine out of thebox
05:33<hans>I just read... base depends on . But the core ist already installed...
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05:34<hans>My Lenny is out of the box, no other repositories or things like that.
05:35<hans>Ah, i have the backports in my repository list...
05:35<ant>okay :)
05:35<hans>There is 3.1 , only the writer.
05:35<hans>And in the original repos ist Version 2.4 all...
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05:37<ant>so what did you try to install hans?
05:38<ant> ?
05:38<hans> base...
05:38<hans>by apt-get...
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05:39<themill>"aptitude -t lenny-backports install" should work out fine for you
05:39<ant>thx themill, you were faster ;)
05:40<hans>Thank you very much, he does an full OOo upgrade now!
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05:42<peej>I get a "untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed" for resolv.conf. I have debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring - clues?
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05:44<peej>oh, resolved. Server glitch. I've had this before ;-)
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06:04<flower>how do you reopen a bug?
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06:08<cocolocko>Hi @ all, i am using Lenny Squeeze, and all the time i could plug in my ext. usb hdd and under Gnome it mounts automaticly. Now, i think after a package update, it is not possible for me to write on the ext. USB HDD. What i see is that the Driver change from "fuseblk" to "NTFS". When i start to create a Folder on the HDD it tells me: Operation not permitted. Does someone has a solution for me?
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06:10<jm_>ntfs is read-only by default
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06:13<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions). Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
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06:22<cocolocko>but the ntfs-3g is installed !
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06:32<nima>is there a way to go back a few versions of an installed package?
06:33<nima>other than remove it, download the package and install it manually that is?
06:33<nima>is there a "snapshot" concept with apt?
06:38<petemc>you can append versions with apt-get and aptitude
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06:44<nima>I'm stuck in a chicken and egg situation, maybe someone can help me...
06:46<jm_>tried specifying that lib thing on command line too?
06:46<nima>what do you mean?
06:46<jm_>apt* install apache... lib...
06:46*nima tries
06:47<jm_>it might at least say something more about it
06:47<nima>it does, you're right...
06:47<nima>libaprutil1: Breaks: apache2.2-common (< 2.2.11-3) but 2.2.9-10+lenny6 is to be installed
06:48<nima>why does it look for 2.2.11?
06:48<jm_>use apt-cache policy ti find out where it's coming from
06:49<jm_>I wonder where apache2.2-common 2.2.11 is coming from
06:49<nima>ooh - aptitude is a little more intelligent - it's making things work (so far)...
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06:53<nima>jm_: probably because someone upgraded this box on a more recent distro, then reverted the sources.list
06:53<nima>Downgrade the following packages: libaprutil1 [1.3.9+dfsg-3 (now) -> 1.2.12+dfsg-8+lenny4 (stable, stable)]
06:54<jm_>nima: sounds like it yes
06:55<nima>thanks for "apt-cache policy" - I'll look into that one too
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07:30<dheeraj_>my sound is not working...can anyone help???
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07:32<locklace>!tell dheeraj_ about how to ask
07:32<dpkg>I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand?
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07:34<dheeraj_>i use ubuntu 9.10 and my soundcard not detected.....
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07:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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07:37<mehdi_>je cherche une personne pouvant me renseigné a propo de xubuntu s'il vous plait
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07:41<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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07:51<Xeross>How can I find where a file is located if it's in the PATH variable
07:51<Xeross> ?
07:51<OdyX>Xeross: try whereis
07:52<jm_>or echo =foo with decent shells
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07:53<Xeross>which did the trick
07:53<Xeross>now I need to figure out where the hell my /bin folder is on my windows drives
07:54<themill>beware shell-builtins that "which" will give the wrong answer to
07:55<Xeross>I am looking for my sed binary
07:56<Xeross>got an old version
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08:53<Tuplad>I took my 4gb sd card out of my digital camera and put it into the card reader, but it doesn't get mounted and I can't access it. I'm on squeeze with gnome, what is there to do ? :o
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08:53<jm_>does kernel detect it?
08:53<Tuplad>jm_: I think it does
08:53<jm_>Tuplad: anything in /proc/partitions?
08:53<Tuplad>jm_: yes, but not the card
08:54<jm_>Tuplad: so it didn't detect it, is this a debian kernel?
08:54<Tuplad>jm_: yes
08:54<Tuplad>jm_: Linux atmosphere 2.6.30-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 7 05:21:45 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
08:54<jm_>Tuplad: ok so it has the needed options set
08:56<Tuplad>jm_: is that a question ?
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08:56<jm_>Tuplad: nope
08:57<Tuplad>ok =)
08:57<Tuplad>jm_: it used to work a long while ago... but then it stopped. the card is fine, it works in windows.
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08:57<jm_>Tuplad: what kind of reader is it?
08:58<Tuplad>jm_: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 21-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer (Internal/External)
08:58<jm_>Tuplad: sounds similar to mine, i.e. usb storage stuff
08:58<amphi>Tuplad: does the device exist in /dev?
08:59<Tuplad>amphi: yes
08:59<jm_>Tuplad: does kernel mention which device was assigned to it at all?
09:00<Tuplad>jm_: how do I find out ;(
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09:00<jm_>Tuplad: check dmesg output, it should come after USB connect line (new high speed USB device ...)
09:01<jm_>like so: sd 53:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
09:02<Tuplad>jm_: I think this is it:
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09:03<jm_>Tuplad: yes, that explains why it's not detected
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09:03<Tuplad>jm_: why is it not ? :o
09:03<Tuplad>jm_: here is whole dmesg if you can get any more out of it
09:04<jm_>Tuplad: now that's something I have no clue about, USB is a pain to debug when it's not working
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09:06<jm_>probably best to ask lkml and enabled usb debug config options and includ eusbmon trace
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09:07<Tuplad>where's the problem ?
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09:07<Tuplad>card ? linux ?
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09:10<jm_>that's something those people can tell you
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09:11<jo>Hi, is Marc Haber here?
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09:16<Tuplad>jm_: how come it works in windows with no problem? :o
09:17<jm_>Tuplad: because manufacturers only test their hardware against windows instead of ensuring it adheres to standards
09:18<Tuplad>screw this, just gonna plug it in the windows machine =D
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09:28<sbyrne>If I tried startx and my screen just went blank and I can't change VTs with ctrl+alt+F?, but I can ssh in, is there something I can to do reset the console?
09:29<dr|z3d>sbyrne: you might try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
09:29<sbyrne>dr|z3d: Might that help if gdm is not enabled?
09:29<dr|z3d>It won't help at all.
09:30<sbyrne>dr|z3d: Enabling it and trying did not help either.
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09:31<sbyrne>*sign* This is why I did not want an nVidia video card.
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09:31<locklace>sbyrne: you're basically screwed
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09:32<locklace>about the only thing that's likely to have a chance of helping is killing x, changing around your low-level settings in xorg.conf, and restarting it
09:33<locklace>btw, just start it with "X"
09:33<sbyrne>locklace: What should I change? I just have the default config file, and there are no error or warnings in the Xorg log.
09:33<locklace>res / video mode or accel are good candidates
09:34<locklace>or try changing the driver to vesa or fb
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09:35<locklace>you could also try playing with vbetool
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09:40<axnod>hi, i have a problem with installing debian. i use the net install cd and everything works well. after restart grub wont load the system when i use dm-crypt. i made the following partitions 1.24g lvm for 24gb swap 2. 7gb lvm for root 3. 50gb for home and 256mb for boot. there are all encrypted expect boot
09:40<axnod>ah everything is made withhin the installer
09:41<axnod>someone has an idea
09:42<jmm>perhaps give more informations about grub errors.
09:42<jmm>why doesn't it doesn't load the system ?
09:42<axnod>i thing the system isn't loading grub. its hanging by verifying dmi pool data
09:43<axnod>i tryied it with a normal installation before and eversthing works well
09:43<axnod>the boot partition is in the beginning of the array( if its possible by raid 5?)
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09:47<perk>axnod, you must have /boot outside lvm and raid
09:47<perk>axnod, is your /boot outside raid?
09:47<axnod>its outside the lvm but its hardware raid
09:48<jmm>hi perk !
09:48<perk>axnod, when doing this stuff i have put the / on a RAID1
09:48<perk>axnod, basically following this guide:
09:48<axnod>but it has worked, when i shoosed use the complete harddisk with lvm and crypto
09:48<perk>jmm, hi .-)
09:49<perk>axnod, how was the layout done then? where did /boot end up?
09:49<perk>and how did /boot end up?
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09:50<axnod>sorry dont understand (my english is not so well)
09:50<perk>axnod, did /boot have a separate partition on only one disk?
09:51<axnod>but its hardware raid! the 4* 1tb hdds are shown as one
09:51<axnod>boot has one 256gb partiton with ext2 and the array
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09:53<perk>oh, ok
09:53<perk>axnod, my question is still valid though. :-)
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09:53<perk>axnod, wait... what. boot has a 256gb partition and the array ...?
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09:54<perk>axnod, mb
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09:55<sbyrne>Ok. I've got a GeForce 9300 GE, and it works fine with one monitor plugged in, but when I plug it 2 it locks my console.
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09:56<axnod>no the the array has 3tb and boot has 256mb
09:56<axnod>it was my fault sorry^^
09:57<damiank>anyone knows how to enable acceleration on openchrome driver?
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09:58<damiank>i have tried everything i found but it goes slooow
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10:06<perk>axnod, so it works now?
10:07<Flooo>I try to help him in his language =)
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10:16<locklace>this is the best bug ever
10:16<locklace>!dbugs 556635
10:16<dpkg>DONE:#556635:G[udev] udev: blanks inserted RW media (); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:45:01 UTC []
10:17<locklace>i especially like how marco tried to downgrade the severity
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10:18<locklace>because, you know, how severe is destroying all the data on your media at boot, really?
10:19<sbyrne>It is a security feature.
10:19<amphi>a trifling matter
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10:23<mkaduk>Hi I have my email on exposed to robots, how to remove bug report exposing my email, since I started receiving spam because of that
10:23<mkaduk>This is very important for me
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10:25<locklace>mkaduk: you're screwed
10:25<locklace>!lose mkaduk
10:25<dpkg>mkaduk: You Lose.
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10:27<mkaduk>locklace, Usually I am too lazy to report bug and If I do it, its because I want to help. Saying 'you're screwed' is a bit rude in this case.
10:27<locklace>but true
10:28<mkaduk>locklace, I assume it means "Do never report bugs"
10:28<juanito11>how can i download all packages i have installed again, because i have delete them from /var/apt/cache/...
10:28<themill>mkaduk: no, it means you might want to use a gmail address or similar in future for this...
10:29<mkaduk>themill, still I want to remove my email address from that bug
10:29<themill>juanito11: I presume you mean /var/cache/apt? "mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives && aptitude update" should be sufficient
10:29<themill>mkaduk: no known way
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10:29<themill>mkaduk: and no point in doing so anyway because all bts email is mirrored on dozens of websites
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10:30<juanito11>ok themill
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10:31<mkaduk>themill, also the maintainer that closed the bug saying that I should learn to read is even more closed brained and rude while I was reporting this bug, information that its fixed was not displayed or not on the bug list.
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10:31<mkaduk>themill, I mean where should I read its closed in next version ?
10:32<mkaduk>themill, I assume somewhere on website, but thats not displayed by reportbug tool
10:32<jeff007>hello, i would like to install freenx on lenny ... can u help me ?
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10:32<mkaduk>themill, I tried to help, but I found not only rude people but also getting spam because of that now
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10:35<themill>mkaduk: that maintainer isn't known for long and flowing thank-yous... but don't let that discourage you from trying in the future. The bug in question was already reported in the BTS in a number of other bug reports and reportbug will have offered to show that to you (or it's in the BTS itself). Given that you're using testing or unstable here, you should make yourself a bit more familiar with the bts so that you can effectively do what you have
10:35<themill>said you are going to do by installing squeeze or sid (i.e. test and report bugs!)
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10:37<father0fnine>Request for guidance - I need to set up an Incoming email relay using Linux.. Mail comes into our facility, is run through spam checker (assassin?) and then sent on the the (gag) exchange server. Question: anybody point me a HOW-TO or a list of packages I should look at?
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10:37<juanito11>themill: what archive to rename to make believe to apt that it has to download all packages again?
10:38<Ganneff>father0fnine: the answer to a question like this is: you do not want to set up such a relay if you need a howto for it. as it most certainly ends as a spamproxy(open relay. (and if you still want, google has tons of hits)
10:38<mkaduk>themill, It was listed as a closed bug, which was not displayed by reportbug-ng
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10:38<juanito11>themill: a lot of packages are installed, but they are not in the /var/cache/apt/archives dir
10:38<mkaduk>themill, afaik
10:39<jack>Hay hispano hablantes?
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10:39<juanito11>jack, que pasa?
10:39<Ganneff>father0fnine: and besides that, it isnt a #debian question. this is for debian support, not for a random mail relay.
10:39<mkaduk>themill, I saw its not reported among all open bugs there and reported it
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10:39<jack>Es q estoy probando ubuntu por primera vez... y todavia no le caso muchas cosas
10:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:40<OdyX>y !ubuntu
10:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:40<jack>Instale muuuuchas cosas... pero no se donde ejecutar todas. Ya q son pocas las q aparecen en aplicaciones
10:41<dr|z3d>jack: Por favor, Ingles aqui, o /join #debian-es.
10:42<juanito11>jack: abrite una consola, escribi las primeras letras de la aplicacion y con la tecla Tab te completa el comando o te muestra una lista de alternativas, usualmente se instalan en /usr/bin o /usr/sbin o /usr/local... o por ahi
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10:42<dr|z3d>!ops too much spanish in the channel
10:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: too much spanish in the channel
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10:43<juanito11>jack: Hace caso a dr|z3d, habla en ingles o conectate a /join #debian-es
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10:43<azeem>dr|z3d: did you try to explain that this is an english channel?
10:43<@Ganneff>azeem: did you read backlog of the last 5 minutes?
10:43<dr|z3d>azeem: The factoid was triggered, and I asked additionally _in Spanish_ for English in this channel.
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10:44<jack>ok, i try to speak english.... arcane english.... but.... i do my best
10:44<@Ganneff>jack: just join #debian-es
10:44<Myon>dr|z3d: maybe a bit more than one minute until calling the ops would be nice...
10:44<father0fnine>Ganneff: It becomes a Debian question if I'm using Debian.
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10:45<@Ganneff>father0fnine: none for this channel. this is support, not "how to install $randomapp"
10:45<@Ganneff>father0fnine: if you have one specific problem with one package out of the lot you need for a good relay, then come back here.
10:45<amphi>father0fnine: may be of use
10:45<dr|z3d>Myon: I count at least 2 minutes delay between the trigger, further requests and my call. But sure, ok.
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10:47<father0fnine>amphi: thanks
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10:51<oliva>hi there ... how can I change package status from pi to ii ?
10:51<demat>hi, is there any last new about the weekly builds?
10:52<demat>there is no isos for some of them
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10:53<kop>oliva: The p in the first column means it's not installed, but the configuration files have not been purged. To change it to i install the package. (However, I forget what the i in the second column means.) At least if you're referring to aptitude's command line output.
10:54<oliva>kop I'm referring to dpkg -l command line output
10:54<oliva>1 col is desired action
10:54<oliva>second is current status
10:54<oliva>the package are installed
10:55<oliva>but they are marked for purge since I gave a wrong dpkg -P on a long list of packages
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10:55<oliva>how can I fix this?
10:55<EagleRock>kop: I believe "pi" means the package is partially installed
10:56<kop>oliva: Just install them, that will change the desired action.
10:56<kop>oliva: However, see below:
10:56<kop>!why aptitude
10:56<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
10:56<oliva>kop they are alrady installed
10:57<kop>oliva: Yes, but you told it you want them uninstalled then next time you actually tell the system to make your changes real.
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10:57<oliva>I alredy tried
10:57<oliva>do you mean with apt-get install?
10:57<kop>oliva: The way it works (if you like to use it that way) is you select changes you want to make, then tell it to go ahead and make them.
10:58<kop>oliva: Yes. But you're better off using aptitude instead of apt-get.
10:58<oliva>kop: why? I hage aptitude
10:58<kop>oliva: I always just use it from the command line.
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10:58<kop>oliva: There's no reason to hate it there, is there?
10:59<kop>As for why, see !why aptitude above.
10:59<oliva>same behaviour with aptitude ... it says that the package is installed and don't change the state
11:00<oliva>I'm used working with apt-get with no problems ... I wrongly used dpkg
11:00<kop>oliva: If you put a + after the package name it'll force a re-install. That should fix it. (I don't do the whole "pending changes" thing.)
11:01<kop>oliva: So, why not aptitude?
11:01<jeff007>is there anyone who install freenx on lenny?
11:01<kop>oliva: You may also find that synaptic (the gui) will allow you to frob the "do this later" flags.
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11:02<oliva>kop thanks dpkg --get-selections | grep purge | sed "s/purge$/install/" | dpkg --set-selections
11:02<oliva>did the job
11:03<kop>oliva: Cool. Makes sense.
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11:03<oliva>kop: thanks for your support
11:04<kop>oliva: (Although that may work only on limited numbers of packages due to dpkg locking issues. If the list is long enough the first dpkg might interfere with the last, or not.)
11:04<EagleRock>kop: I was wrong, p means app is completely purged, c means conf files still exist
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11:04<kop>EagleRock: Where did you rtfm?
11:05<kop>oliva: Your solution. It may fail if the pipes don't buffer the whole changeset.
11:06<kop>oliva: Clearly, it did the job for you though.
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11:07<oliva>does --get-selections locks?
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11:08<kop>oliva: It's unclear to me. You'd sorta hope so so that if there are concurrent changes going on you don't get a report with only a part of the changes.
11:10<oliva>I need to go
11:10<themill>mkaduk: when you're using testing, it's worth checking the PTS for recent uploads and the BTS for recently closed bugs as well.
11:10<oliva>thanks again
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11:46*zumbi looks arround
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11:49<lau>hi, what is the purpose of the mail group in /etc/group ?
11:49<lau>is it used in order to start a MTA daemon for instance ?
11:50<Zathraz>Hi. Is there some setting by default set in php.ini (php5 Apache2 Debian Lenny) why sessions are hell on earth. I cannot seem to keep a session going for some reason. Is there some strict setting working against me?
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11:52<perk>why can't i do this sh -c "A=b; echo $A" ???
11:53<perk>or sh -c "C=d export C; echo $C"
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12:08<Lethalman>perk, why you can't
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12:21<mjs>despite putting pcspkr in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, the 'beep' is still happening. anybody have a surefire software fix?
12:21<cahoot>update initramfs
12:22<cahoot>i e dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
12:22<cahoot>also - snd-pcsp might need blacklisting
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12:23<mjs>i have snd-pcsp blacklisted in alsa-base-blacklist.conf, but that didn't help either
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12:24<cahoot>updated the initramfs?
12:24<OdyX>mjs: try mute'ing the slider in alsamixer
12:24<JMorrison1>im trying to install bittorrent but i had this error Error: need libtorrent-rasterbar >= 0.14.0 (>= 0.15.0 advised)
12:25<JMorrison1>coud sombody help me?
12:25<mjs>muting in alsamixer works, however, whenever I up the volume using my fn keys it also turns the pcspkr back on
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12:26<JMorrison1>i had install libtorrent-rasterbar-dbg libtorrent-rasterbar-dev libtorrent-rasterbar0
12:26<mjs>just updated initramfs and the beep is still there
12:26<OdyX>mjs: this is then a configuration issue
12:26<cahoot>mjs: unloaded pcspkr and snd-pcsp (or rebooted already?)
12:27<mjs>cahoot: despite trying to unload pcspkr and snd-pcsp for a few days, it keeps coming back from the dead
12:28<mjs>modprobe pcspkr -v shows: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-686/kernel/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.ko
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12:30<JohnEvil>Hi all, I'm the U.S president...
12:31<OdyX>from .ca ?
12:31<Flooo>from canada?
12:31<JohnEvil>Yeah of course
12:31<JohnEvil>I'm on vacancy
12:31<OdyX>Didn't know John Don had been elected.
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12:32<JMorrison1>im from cuba but i libe in chile
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12:32<themill>JohnEvil: don't support you've got a Debian user-support question we can help you with...
12:33<JohnEvil>oh fuck!!! jim morrison??? WOW
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12:33<noflash>maybe you gentlemen should try #debian-offtopic
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12:34<JohnEvil>How can I use Debian to kill Microsoft servers?
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12:34<JMorrison1>bad questiosn jajaja
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12:35<mjs>just rebooted, the beep is still there
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12:38<cahoot>mjs: both culprits loaded?
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12:38<Flooo>what can I do you for.. aeh..
12:39<Flooo>mjs: what does your line in blacklist.conf look like?
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12:39<mjs>blacklist pcspkr
12:40<mjs>and blacklist snd-pcsp
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12:40<mjs>funny, lsmod shows neither
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12:42<Flooo>does it work removing it with rmmod?
12:42<Flooo>without blacklist?
12:43<cahoot>mjs: alsamixer shows an entry for pcspkr?
12:43<mjs>cahoot: yes. But anytime i change the volume on any other device, pcspkr comes back on
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12:44<cahoot>i e the beeping?
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12:44<mjs>cahoot: yes
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12:45<mjs>Flooo: lsmod and rmmod show that the pcspkr module is not loaded, yet it still beeps
12:45<mjs>weird, right?
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12:47<Flooo>and muting it in alsamixer doesn't help?
12:47<mjs>Flooo: it does. but anytime i use my fn keys to turn the sound up or down, pcspkr comes back on
12:47<mjs>maybe eeepc-acpi-scripts is the culprit?
12:48<Flooo>what kernel ver do you use?
12:48<mjs>whatever is the latest in sid
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12:50<mjs>i did try one of the liquorix kernels once and that seemed to solve the problem
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12:50<mjs>but it used 2-3 more watts according to powertop and killed my battery life
12:50<Bart_KSC>Hi, I want to install Debian testing, but the directory on the server is empty
12:51<cahoot>Bart_KSC: I believe the recommended way is install lenny and upgrade
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12:51<Bart_KSC>I will not have internet on that PC
12:52<Flooo>mjs: maybe there's a way to load also without pc beep supp
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12:52<Flooo>but I don't know :/
12:52<mjs>thanks anyway Flooo and cahoot
12:52<cahoot>would it be wise to use an unstable debian without means to fix problems?
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12:53<tchmnkyz>hey guys, with grub is there a method that i can tell it to boot a kernel once manually to test it but not have it try that kernel every time (so if that kernel does not boot i can just power cycle it)?
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12:53<Bart_KSC>cahoot:I understood that debian testing wasn't that unstable. I wan't more recent software than debian stable offers
12:54<cahoot>mjs: try your luck in #debian-eeepc?
12:54<mjs>cahoot: i will try that. i think eeepc-acpi-scripts might be involved, so that would be the place to go
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12:54<cahoot>Bart_KSC: you know it's called testing for a reason
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12:55<mjs>Bart_KSC: just use that other distro that ends in 'buntu'
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12:57<Beryllium>An update for squeeze wants to remove gnome, what all does that entail? Will that break my desktop environment?
12:57<cahoot>Bart_KSC: ^^ see
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13:01<joseph_>hi, I am under Ubuntu and I would like to move to Debian, without losing my Tomboy and Evolution data
13:01<joseph_>I have put my home file on a different partition
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13:02<joseph_>can I just make a backup of .tomboy and .evolution and use use them in the home folder of Debian, i.e., will Debian "use" them the same way as Ubuntu does??
13:03<Bart_KSC>msj:One of the things I liked about Ubuntu was that I could switch desktop enviroments (I'm not sure what I wan't yet). Is this possible with Ubuntu (without reinstalling everything)?
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13:04<mjs>Bart_KSC: if you use GDM or KDM, they should pick up on any other desktop environments/window managers you install
13:04<mjs>just pick the one you want at the login screen
13:06<Bart_KSC>I fell like I'm being annoying here, but say I wan't debian unstable for some weird reason. Why are there no images/jingo files?
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13:06<mjs>unstable is unstable
13:06<mjs>it changes every day
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13:06<mjs>making images for it would be silly because it changes so quickly
13:06<Bart_KSC>Sorry, I meant testing
13:07<Beryllium>It is remarkably difficult to navigate the debian website to find testing builds
13:07<mjs>testing is basically the same
13:07<mjs>it changes too often
13:07<Bart_KSC>the one that's supposed to be here:
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13:07<themill>Beryllium: if you fail at that, you'll fail at fixing problems in testing too. Consider it a test...
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13:07<mjs>weekly builds can be broken
13:07<locklace>s/can be/are/
13:08<JMorrison1>what is the most light enviroment for linux?
13:08<JMorrison1>sorry about my english
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13:08<Beryllium>themill: I suppose that's a way of looking at it :p
13:08<Bart_KSC>loacklace: Is that the reason they arn't there?
13:08<mjs>JMorrison1: what are you looking for in a window manager?
13:08<mjs>besides being light?
13:09<mithie>Hello all, If the linux kernel freezes (time stops), but can be unfreezed by plugging in the ethernet cable. Any ideas what can cause this behaviour?
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13:10<JMorrison1>gnome in my pc is a little slowly
13:11<mjs>JMorrison1: I use openbox and it uses 50 megs of ram on startup. LXDE uses about 65 on my other machine
13:11<JMorrison1>lxde seems to be good
13:11<JMorrison1>what about grafics?
13:12<tchmnkyz>lxde is nice
13:12<tchmnkyz>i like it
13:12<mjs>JMorrison1: graphics are very minimal. if you want fancy effects, then you have to install a compositing window manager like compiz
13:12<tchmnkyz>depending how much memory you have
13:13<tchmnkyz>if low mem i would suggest lxde or xfce
13:13<mjs>JMorrison1: one gig is more than enough
13:13<JMorrison1>but only 64mb of video
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13:13<JMorrison1>and gnome is a little slowly
13:13<mjs>JMorrison1: i have even less memory and graphics power than you and LXDE can fly on my machine
13:13<tchmnkyz>if you dont need the fancy compiz effects
13:14<tchmnkyz>lxde is great
13:14<tchmnkyz>you could look at xfce too
13:14<JMorrison1>i will try with lxde
13:14<tchmnkyz>you can have them all installed
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13:15<tchmnkyz>and try each at login just select what session you want till you determine what you want to use
13:15<tchmnkyz>even then if your not worried about hd space you can leave the rest
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13:16<JMorrison1>i see
13:16<EagleRock>JMorrison1: I'm using debian + LXDE on my netbook, and the memory footprint is really's also the fastest responding install I've seen on a netbook so far, and the GUI is very nice for its size IMO
13:16<tchmnkyz>gdm has the ability to select the window manager
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13:18<JMorrison1>thats good EagleRock
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13:18<tchmnkyz>i found it ran better on the lesser systesm btw
13:18<tully>is there an equivalent for the gentoo stage 3 tarball for debian?
13:18<tchmnkyz>lxde runs better on my netbook
13:19<tchmnkyz>then on my dual core with 2 gig ram and 512 meg nv 7800
13:19<cahoot>tully: debian comes precompiled ready to use
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13:20<tully>cahoot really i had no idea, but im going to be compiling a new disto and pxebooting that accross the network and i need the filesystem in /usr/local/i686*
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13:26<tchmnkyz>tully: you just need the netboot images
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13:27<tchmnkyz>if you google pxeboot debian install
13:27<tchmnkyz>there are a few articles showing how
13:28<tully>ahh found it thanks tchmnkyz
13:28<tchmnkyz>np man
13:28<tchmnkyz>good luck with it
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13:29<tchmnkyz>i have it setup here and it works great
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13:34<GattoDiSchrodinger>someone managed to run liquidweather with kde4 on testing??
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13:37<GattoDiSchrodinger>or you know if you can run kweather with meteorological services other than the default?
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13:44<tchmnkyz>sorry dont use kde here
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13:47<lord-carlos>GattoDiSchrodinger: try in #debian-kde
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14:08<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
14:08<dpkg>* Guerin was enough drunks last night
14:09<Rovanion>Hi there, I'm having trouble with my synaptics touchpad. I want the settings to be read off of xorg.conf but it seems as if they're not. Is there any part of KDE that overrides the xorg mouse config? Or is it me who has faulty syntax?
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14:10<tchmnkyz> try in #debian-kde
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14:10<locklace>Rovanion: what version of debian
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14:10<Rovanion>locklace, 5 Lenny
14:11<Rovanion>KDE 3.5
14:11<locklace>Rovanion: does it work if you just run a bare x + some other wm
14:12<Rovanion>locklace, Haven't tried. Does it work if I log into lets say lxde trough KDM or should I change xinit?
14:13<tuxcrafter>hi all
14:14<tuxcrafter>i need to setup some ip routes after my pppoe connection goes up
14:14<tuxcrafter>but it seems ppp post-up systems
14:14<locklace>Rovanion: my suggestion is to exit x, shut down your dm, run just plain "X" from the shell, and then kick off a minimal wm like dwm
14:14<tuxcrafter>do not work
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14:14<tuxcrafter>so how can i add ip route rules
14:14<tuxcrafter>when the connection comes up
14:17<dpkg>chicco: VATTENE VIA
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14:17<chicco>hello world sorry
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14:18<locklace>chicco: maybe you can explain why it's only ever italians that come in here and say !list
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14:28<dpkg>chicco: VATTENE VIA
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14:28<tchmnkyz>why is that
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14:29<patrikf>what does vattene via mean, anyway?
14:29<adb>go way
14:29<adb>go *away
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14:31<cahoot>IIRC it's intended to find warez
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14:32<tchmnkyz>usually for dcc chans yea
14:34<locklace>and yet, 100% of everyone i've seen come in here and do it are italian, for some inexplicable reason, thus justifying dpkg's standard response
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14:35<dpkg>beryllium: VATTENE VIA
14:36<Beryllium>Hmm, I was thinking that maybe dpkg was clever and checked the hostname to see what language it should use
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14:36<dpkg>well, last is easier ;)
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14:36<locklace>no. it's just always the italians, so a single response suffices
14:36<cahoot>should ideally be in latin
14:37<Beryllium>should ideally be in esperanto :p
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14:41<olpcfan>$ sudo apt-get remove `deborphan` isn't a bad idea is it? :) Seems same
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14:43<tchmnkyz>olpcfan: i used to be a fan of olpc till the place i worked for donated and they did not even acknowledge the donation.
14:43<tchmnkyz>kinda lost respect for the org
14:44<dr|z3d>tchmnkyz: So did the Sugar author by all accounts.. he took Sugar and disappeared, I think. Anyways, bit off-topic, no? :)
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14:44<tchmnkyz>lol yea but i been up all night working
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14:44<tch-sleep>night folks
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15:04<marius>installed Debian 5.0 and all seemed well
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15:04<marius>but after X starts i get a "Out of Range" message and a black screen
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15:05<uva>it's about resolution mb
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15:06<marius>talked to a few person and they suggested the problem is my video card a VIA/S3G Unichrome Pro IGP
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15:06<marius>any ideas on how to fix this?
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15:08<locklace>marius: edit xorg.conf and tweak your video mode
15:08<marius>locklace: just deleted it and X works
15:08<locklace>!congratulate marius
15:08<dpkg>Huzzah marius, you did it!
15:09<marius>but after i restart "Out of range"
15:09<marius>and black screen
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15:10<marius>think this is the 50 time i install Lenny and deleted xorg.conf :D
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15:11<marius>locklace: after i restart it will stop working :(
15:13<locklace>so you delete xorg.conf and it gets auto-recreated or what
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15:14<marius>locklace: dont know but it works
15:14<marius>for a short period
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15:16<locklace>well, let us know when you find out
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15:25<fnmueller>marius: why don't you create an empty xcorg.conf or create one using Xorg --configure?
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15:25<thaiany>tudu bemm?
15:25<thaiany>quemta aiii?
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15:26<marius>fnmueller: last time i did that
15:26<marius>Debian went bust
15:26<fnmueller>marius: define that
15:27<marius>well no login no nothing
15:27<marius>just a blank screen
15:27<mithie>Anyone have any ideas on howto find the cause of occational system freezes?
15:28<marius>fnmueller: could provide some info about my system :)
15:28<fnmueller>no need
15:29<fnmueller>all you have to do is create a correct xorg.conf
15:30<marius>fnmueller: gonna try again but i'm afraid of loosing X
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15:30<fnmueller>well, you can just delete xorg.conf anytime and restart X and it should work again
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15:32<marius>fnmueller: after restart computer get the same "Out of range" msg
15:32<marius>so its only temporary
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15:33<sam_>all my themes and icon themes disappeared
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15:36<Ignaz>hi, all
15:36<tuxcrafter>hi all i am using a multigateway setup with iproute2 tables
15:37<tuxcrafter>but i cant seeem to be able to ping my external ip from within my own networks
15:37<patrikf>mh... is there some program that verifies a user's password and then executes a given command? like /bin/login, but with something different than the user's shell.
15:37<tuxcrafter>while it works from the outside
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15:39<tuxcrafter>that is my route rule and ifconfig
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15:40<tuxcrafter>and ping does not wrong from withing the network
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15:45<valdyn>tuxcrafter: how the hell is it supposed to find your with that route?
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15:46<tuxcrafter>trough? #
15:46<tuxcrafter> dev ppp0 scope link src
15:47<valdyn>tuxcrafter: nope
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15:47<valdyn>tuxcrafter: "route add default ppp0"
15:47<valdyn>tuxcrafter: and i guess you should delete the gateway "route del default gw" or somesuch
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15:50<tuxcrafter>route add default ppp0
15:50<tuxcrafter>route del default gw dev ppp0
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15:52<tuxcrafter>hmm my external ip changed
15:52<tuxcrafter>that cant be good
15:52<valdyn>tuxcrafter: why?
15:52<tuxcrafter>external ip did not change
15:52<valdyn>tuxcrafter: you have a static ip?
15:52<valdyn>tuxcrafter: ok then
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15:53<tuxcrafter>but still pinging from within the land did not work
15:53<sam_>I reinstalled gtk and I lost all my themes
15:53<valdyn>tuxcrafter: what is "within the land" ? your local lan?
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15:54<valdyn>tuxcrafter: need to see the output of route on your lan box
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15:56<tuxcrafter>the default gatewat is
15:56<tuxcrafter>the default gatewat is
15:56<tuxcrafter>and that goes to the system of the last pastbin
15:57<tuxcrafter>so the gatway should return the adress
15:57<tuxcrafter>but it seems the ping request is being send to
15:57<tuxcrafter>and that is not good
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15:57<tuxcrafter>i saw that with tcpdup
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15:58<valdyn>tuxcrafter: thats still just your router?
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15:59<valdyn>tuxcrafter: its sent there by your gateway setup, but thats fixed now.. or i told you how to anyway
15:59<tuxcrafter>more info
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16:01<valdyn>tuxcrafter: forwarding on for all interfaces?
16:01<tuxcrafter>100% no blocking
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16:02<valdyn>tuxcrafter: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
16:02<valdyn>tuxcrafter: in this is a misunderstanding
16:02<valdyn>tuxcrafter: in case this is a misunderstanding
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16:02<sam_>I just installed the latest gtk+ version and I lost all my themes
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16:04<sam_>hi dr|zed
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16:06<tuxcrafter>valdyn: # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
16:06<valdyn>tuxcrafter: ok
16:06<valdyn>tuxcrafter: i cant see an error there
16:06<valdyn>tuxcrafter: what about your iptables setup?
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16:09<tuxcrafter>ok if i remove the 'default via dev ppp0' from the 'ip route show table KPN'
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16:09<tuxcrafter>i can ping the macine
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16:30<benzas>good evening
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16:31<benzas>any backtrack users ?
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16:32<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
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16:35<benzas>how to install flash plugin for firefox on backtrack4pre
16:36<locklace>you fail at reading comprehension
16:36<locklace>go to #remote-exploit on
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16:40<ml|>how can i use aptitude purge ~c in a script without answering yes or no?
16:41<Titan8990>ml|, -y
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16:42<ml|>Titan8990: i'll try that thanks missed that when looking at manpage ;)
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16:46<ml|>Titan8990: that did it thanks again :) how did i miss that on manpage
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16:47<Titan8990>ml|, it happens
16:47<sam_>I've just installed the latest version of gtk+ and now I don't have any theme
16:48<Titan8990>sam_, how did you install it?
16:48<dpkg>well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
16:49<sam_>compiled it
16:49<Titan8990>sam_, not a debian application, not supported
16:50<sam_>where should I go
16:50<Titan8990>sam_, use debian packages if you want your system to remain debian and be supported
16:50<sam_>I needed the latest version of pidgin so I have to compile it
16:50<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
16:51<sam_>and it needed the latest version of gtk
16:51<ml|>Titan8990: yes it does, just feel embarrassed that i did
16:51<Titan8990>sam_, if you need newer packages, install them out of backports
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16:51<sam_>what is backport
16:51<Titan8990>sam_, NEVER install applications, especially libraries manually
16:51<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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16:53<sam_>should I switch to debian unstable instead
16:53<sam_>to have the latest softwares
16:53<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
16:53<Titan8990>sam_, if you suffer from SMS, you should not use debian
16:53<Titan8990>err SNS
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16:54<Titan8990>and to reiterate: Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems.
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16:55<dondelelcaro>well, sid is occasionally supported here, but you shouldn't be asking trivial questions
16:55<sam_>so what do I do now
16:55<dr|z3d>Install Ubuntu, possibly. Sounds like you're way out of your depth, sam_ ;)
16:56<locklace>sam_: raise your skill or lower your expectations
16:56<sam_>I hate ubuntu
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16:56<dondelelcaro>sam_: if you need a newer version of pidgin, backport it
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16:59<Titan8990>I don't know why ubuntu is pushed off to newbs... I have always found opensuse to much more stable and user friendly to newbs than ubuntu
16:59<locklace>!start a distro war
16:59<dpkg>Gentoo is responsible for global warming.
16:59<sam_>aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin
17:00<Titan8990>if you have enabled the backports repository, yes
17:00<sam_>but my gtk themes are f*cked up anyway :(
17:00<sam_>how do I fix it
17:00<Titan8990>sam_, reverse whatever it is you did
17:01<Titan8990>e.g. uninstall the manually installed gtk
17:01<sam_>how do I uninstall it
17:01<Titan8990>no idea, ask whoever supports gtk+
17:01<Titan8990>likely `make uninstall`
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17:04<eniac_petrov>hello to all
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17:04<eniac_petrov>I can't find the package iceape in llenny?!
17:05<gsimmons>dpkg: iceape lenny
17:05<dpkg>Iceape, the unbranded version of Mozilla SeaMonkey for Debian is not in Lenny. See and
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17:08<sam_>W: GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
17:08<sam_>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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17:10<magyar_>hi, is there a way to get squeeze to boot xen?
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17:11<dr|z3d>magyar: My grasp of Xen is flakey at best, but I thought Xen boots Squeeze, not the other way around.
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17:12<magyar_>dr|z3d, don't think so
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17:14<mjs>Flooo: i figured out how to turn the 'beep' sound off
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17:17<dr|z3d>magyar: xen is the hypervisor.. it sits "underneath" your os. You boot your os(es) through Xen. Unless I have it all wrong.
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17:17<dr|z3d>Would someone with more knowledge care to comment?
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17:18<petemc>dr|z3d: thats correct, tho it doesnt answer the original question
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17:19<dr|z3d>petemc: Ok. So can he boot xen though squeeze? :)
17:19<petemc>and squeeze doesnt have a xen dom0 kernel
17:20<dr|z3d>So you're basically saying, "not possible" ?
17:20<petemc>not available
17:20<petemc>anythings possible
17:20<dr|z3d>Gotcha. "Not possible currently" I meant. :)
17:20<petemc>not prepackaged
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17:21<dr|z3d>Ah, ok, so custom kernel needs be built by hand?
17:21<petemc>with all thats required for a xen hypervisor
17:21<petemc>which, as you alluded to, is more than just a kernel
17:21<petemc>and not in vanilla kernel sources
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17:26<stuckey>Hi, I get this error when trying to upgrade: aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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17:27<petemc>are you using something other than the broken vps you were using recently?
17:27<magyar_>petemc, is kvm the only way to go for squeeze
17:28<stuckey>Same vps
17:28<petemc>magyar_: you can use lennys packages
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17:32<stuckey>Does anyone know why I get this error?
17:32<azeem>stuckey: because your packages are messed up
17:32<azeem>or because you are using unstable
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17:33<stuckey>azeem: unstable works fine for me right here... but I can't upgrade another machine to it?
17:33<azeem>if you cannot upgrade, it does not work, no?
17:34<stuckey>azeem: Correct. I have other machines with unstable and they're just fine
17:34<azeem>then maybe reason #1 applies
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17:34<stuckey>azeem: all I did was aptitude upgrade
17:34<stuckey>And I went etch>lenny>testing>unstable
17:35<slack>hi, I need to change my network to the new IPv6 protocol, in the beginning have to do a parallel network with ipv4, works well?
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17:35<azeem>stuckey: you confessed using a "broken vps" above
17:35<stuckey>azeem: yes, and?
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17:35<azeem>so it's not "etch"
17:36<stuckey>oh, yeah, okay that's what I figured the problem was
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17:36<azeem>it's "broken etch"->"broken lenny"->"broken testing"->"broken unstable"
17:36<stuckey>Any hope to use this or is it not worth the trouble?
17:36<azeem>install the package which ships
17:36<locklace>slack: ipv6 migration is kind of a large topic
17:37<stuckey>How can I find out where to get it?
17:37<stuckey>or which package that is...
17:37<azeem>stuckey: if you don't know this, you have no business running unstable
17:37<azeem>stuckey: /msg dpkg search
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17:39<slack>locklace: certainly ... I took a course here in Brazil on ipv6 and now I'm taking the courage to implement in my network.
17:40<slack>locklace:are many fantastic money changer, such as mandatory use of IPsec
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17:40<locklace>slack: linux-based hosts will run dual-stack fine, but you have to be careful with things like dns
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17:42<stuckey>azeem: says it's in package apt
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17:44<stuckey>azeem: installed it... same problem
17:44<slack>locklace:dns servers should respond by 2 protocols (IPv4, IPv6)
17:44<azeem>stuckey: what does "dpkg -L apt | grep" say?
17:44<stuckey>azeem: -bash: dpkg -L apt | grep command not found
17:45<stuckey>No, it gives this: /usr/lib/
17:45<stuckey>It returns those two linse the /usr/* lines
17:46<azeem>what does "ldd /usr/bin/aptitude | grep libapt" say?
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17:47<stuckey> => not found => /usr/lib/ (0x0000754c9da5d000)
17:48<azeem>what does "dpkg -l aptitude | tail -1" say?
17:48<stuckey>ii aptitude terminal-based package manager
17:48<stuckey>that's not good
17:48<slack>locklace: you already use ipv6?
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17:55<stuckey>azeem: any thoughts?
17:55<azeem>nothing new
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17:55<azeem>I doubt the lenny aptitude links against two libapt
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17:57<azeem>mine doesn't at least
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17:59<stuckey>This is totally beyond me
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18:00<azeem>try to reinstall aptitude, maybe
18:00<stuckey>with dpkg?
18:00<azeem>or apt-get
18:01<stuckey>Is there a special way to do reinstall or do I just do apt-get install aptitude?
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18:06<stuckey>azeem: okay I think that worked
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18:07<stuckey>azeem: i'll try upgrading again
18:07<stuckey>Unable to safely resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver.
18:08<geckos>How can I use my noob C knowledge to help debian?
18:08<olpcfan>aptitude vs apt-get vs dpkg ... they all do the same thing right?
18:08<azeem>geckos: fix bugs and send patches to the Debian Bug tracker
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18:08<azeem>olpcfan: no
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18:10<olpcfan>azeem; but aptitude uses apt which uses dpkg, right?
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18:12<olpcfan>geckos: if you find any bugs you could report them :) or make a useful tol
18:12<olpcfan>er tool
18:13<themill>geckos: install the "devscripts" package and run "wnpp-alert" and "rc-alert" to see packages that you have installed where the maintainer has asked for assistance
18:13<stuckey>azeem: okay so aptitude upgraded, but sait it encounted problems with a package called jed.
18:13<geckos>ty guys
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18:15<olpcfan>stuckey; you should be okay. from what I see aptitude doesn't need jed (just an editor)
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18:21<bighornram>Has anyone been able to compile mail-notification with ssl from source for amd64?
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18:22<DebJay>how would I go about setting X to run at a lower nice setting? (difficult subject to google...)
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18:23<tuxcrafter>hi all
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18:25<tuxcrafter>i am tring to make a new firewall, but i am having major issues that some trafic is not MASQUERADE
18:27<tuxcrafter>does somebody know what to do to make the traffic work
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18:29<stuckey>I'm trying to build something from mentors but aptitude fails because "there were too many errors"
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18:30<dpkg>mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
18:31<olpcfan>DebJay; check out Xwrapper.config
18:31<olpcfan>olpcfan; hm. I found an old man page online that suggests you can adjust the nice value there, but on my system it is different
18:32<stuckey>should I just give up on this?
18:32<stuckey>Is it worth it to try
18:32<stuckey>I started with a broken etch system, and I upgraded it to unstable, so I could install stuff from mentors
18:33<olpcfan>stuckey; how did you do the upgrade?
18:34<stuckey>broken etch > broken lenny > broken testing > broken unstable
18:35<olpcfan>stuckey; and by broken you mean what? that what you're trying to do wasn't working on any? :)
18:35<stuckey>I mean that it wasn't a standard install at any time. It had third party stuff installed on it, when I got it.
18:35<themill>where could it possibly go wrong?
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18:37<olpcfan>stuckey: if it were me, I'd probably start from scratch ... were you doing like apt-get dist-ugprade?
18:37<olpcfan>themill; GIGO? :)
18:37<stuckey>just aptitude upgrade
18:37<stuckey>I can't start from scratch I don't think, it's a VPS
18:37<olpcfan>wouldn't hurt to try dist-upgrade
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18:38<olpcfan>aka full-upgrade in aptitude
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18:39<stuckey>So I could be able to build stuff from mentors in sid?
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18:39<themill>hopefully. Remember that mentors is entirely free of any quality control
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18:39<stuckey>It won't upgrade
18:40<JMorrison_cuba>hi everyone
18:40<stuckey>I mean, it's a new error every five minutes
18:40<sney`>sounds like sid
18:40<olpcfan>stuckey; how is your /etc/apt/sources.list looking?
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18:42<stuckey>With a VPS I guess one doesn't have as many options. If I had a dedicated I'm sure I could get an unbroken install
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18:44<olpcfan>stuckey; sid isn't really what you want to be running on a live server anyway
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18:45<stuckey>It beats having to do all the backporting necessary to install something packaged for sid.
18:45<stuckey>Wouldn't you say?
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18:47<olpcfan>stuckey; backports aren't all bad. are there no other options? you need this specific software I guess
18:48<stuckey>Yeah that was my whole reason... I just kept trying to build dependencies for package x, and then I'd get an error saying, x needs y, and then I'd go to do y and y would need z, and z would need a, and a would need b, ad infinitum.
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18:49<petemc>much easier just to break the whole thing, rather than breaking it one package at a time
18:49<olpcfan>stuckey: in theory and in practice, it should end ...
18:49<olpcfan>but I feel ya
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18:51<stuckey>I think that maybe it wasn't even a good idea to start this with a VPS, since it was a broken install to begin with
18:51<stuckey>They have them set up to work a certain way
18:52<petemc>they certainly vary in quality
18:52<stuckey>maybe I can find a provider that has non-broken debian releases
18:53<olpcfan>stuckey, petemc; agreed all round. lots of providers promise things they can't deliver or have no experience with
18:53<petemc>you dont feel in any way complicit in the brokeness of your vps?
18:54<stuckey>No it was broken when they gave me it
18:54<stuckey>It comes broken...
18:54<olpcfan>stuckey; check out
18:54<stuckey>With Etch, no less
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18:55<petemc>etch is still supported
18:55<stuckey>thanks for the link
18:55<petemc>i think you should really take some responsibility for your actions
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18:57<petemc>if you dont, you wont not learn anything from the experience
18:58<petemc>im saying you broke it, if thats not clear
18:58<petemc>i was hear the past few weeks to watch you break it
18:58<olpcfan>oh pete, he's had a rough day, be nice to the poor fellow
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18:59<ml|>hello all
18:59<petemc>cruel to be kind
18:59<olpcfan>hi ml|
18:59<stuckey>It was broken when I got it
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18:59<olpcfan>anyway, good luck all, nobody lose an eye now
19:00<stuckey>They had their own stuff already installed on it
19:00<stuckey>so it wasn't etch... it was dreamhostetch
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19:01<petemc>i admin some boxes hosted with dreamhost, they work ok for me
19:02<stuckey>If you can get spring from mentors installed on one of their VPS I'd be very interested in talking to you about it.
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19:04<petemc>its mostly php and ruby, but if someone asks me to install that, ill let you know
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19:21<retrospectacus>has anyone succeeded in wiping this handy-dandy "U3" garbage off of a sandisk USB drive?
19:21<JMorrison_cuba>alguien sabe el nmbre del canal ene spañol?
19:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:22<petemc>retrospectacus: theres a windows app to do it that works
19:22<retrospectacus>petemc: unfortunately I don't have windows available and would rather not pollute a friend's windows box with this..
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19:23<retrospectacus>oh I do have a windows install in qemu... let's see if I can remember the usb-passthru thing for qemu
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19:32<MathiasM>need help with debian install on mac g4
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19:36<inglor>MathiasM, is it even possible? I mean from hardware combaptatibility..
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19:37<MathiasM>yes there is a ppc port of debian
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19:37<MathiasM>i have booted the installer and all
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19:37<MathiasM>but it gets stuck at 1%
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19:41<inglor>maybe corrupted dvd/cd?
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19:43<MathiasM>maybe.. but it seems to be working fine until that point
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19:47<inglor>check the hash :D
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20:12<ComradeHaz>Hi all, is there something going on with the texlive packages/
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20:24<abrotman>ComradeHaz: they're having a party this weekend
20:24<ComradeHaz>Have the messed things up?
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20:27<joshua_>hey guys i was wondering if there was a way to right click an ISO file and mount it a script or something?
20:28<ComradeHaz>you know how to do it from command line?
20:29<ComradeHaz>"mount -o loop -t iso9660 /loc/ation/of/iso.img /mnt/point"
20:29<magyar>hi, anyone using xen with squeeze?
20:29<ComradeHaz>not I magyar
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20:29<ComradeHaz>and it seem everyone else is asleep :)
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20:31<joshua_>ComradeHaz: yeah i know how to do it from CLI just wondering if i can do it from right click
20:32<ComradeHaz>sure there's a way but that would be desktop environment specific
20:32<ComradeHaz>so try gnome or kde
20:32<ComradeHaz>ie #debian-kde
20:32<ComradeHaz>not sure what the equivelent is for gnome
20:33<ComradeHaz>be aware it's pretty quiet this time of night though :)
20:33<ComradeHaz>indeed, bedtime for me too :)
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20:36<rufensis>After an update the other night, I can no longer play .avi files. Network manager also stopped recognizing my ethernet, and an old problem that I had long ago fixed (double click functionality on the mouse pad) is now troubling me again. I'm prioritizing the .avi problem. Any ideas?
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20:38<Xenguy>rufensis: hrm, what kind of "update"? Also have you tried the .avi files with different video applications?
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21:00<JMorrison_cuba>can sombody help me?
21:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:01<JMorrison_cuba>i have a conflict between my tv card and a webcam
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21:03<kris>its quiet in here
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21:10<linx_>Hello, can anyone help me with setting alsa up that way so that 2channel audio files will be duplicated to the rest of the speakers and not just the front ones?
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21:35<kop>I'm running lenny and trying to play the flash movie in gnash after saving it. Nothing happens. It's flash 9. Am I doing something wrong or is it gnash?
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21:44<rufensis>I am using squeeze, and the other day I did an update. Now my eth0 is no longer recognized by NM, my avi files no longer work, and my mouse pad will not double click. I'm hoping someone here can help me through the .avi problem tonight.
21:46<sney`>!doesn't work
21:46<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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21:51<rufensis>dpkg: when i try to open an avi file, totem starts but does not play. Nor does it show a time signature for the file. I can, however, play mp3, ogg, flac audio files and flv files with no trouble. Any ideas?
21:51<dpkg>rufensis: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
21:52<newsense>rufensis: dpkg is a bot if you haven't figured it out yet
21:52<Nemoder>rufensis: I'm notthat familiar with totem but you might try installing VLC and see if that plays them
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21:54<rufensis>newsense: by bot do you mean it is not a real person?
21:54<newsense>rufensis: yes
21:55<newsense>rufensis: /msg dpkg help
21:56<rufensis>Nemoder: thanks. VLC presents entirely different issues. It plays .avi but only in black and white, and only in one quarter (the far left) of the screen. I had read that this was a bug, and while totem worked I did not bother with it.
21:56<sney`>try xine or mplayer
21:56<newsense>i like mplayer myself
21:56<Nemoder>perhaps it is a video driver problem then
21:56<sney`>sometimes squeeze packages have bugs, too, so check bts for totem
21:56<rufensis>newsense: how can the bot tell that I am "person #2 with an unparseable request"?
21:57<sney`>sometimes the bot is just an asshole
21:57<Nemoder>dpkg: blah blah blah blha blah blah blah, blalh blah blha blh a blah
21:57*dpkg blah 1 in the groin
21:57<sney`>disregard what it says, unless it seems relevant
21:57<sney`>!confuse Nemoder
21:57<dpkg>Yes, how was their hamster today, Nemoder? Shirts of the Democracy of Mongolia with extra anchovies.
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21:59<rufensis>sney`: what's bts?
21:59<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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22:34<edbian>Is there a bookmark sync extension for google chrome for linux yet?
22:38<ml|>edbian: look at the chrome page it was added recently
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22:39<edbian>ml|, Thanks! :)
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22:40<ml|>edbian: btw, how do you like it? do fonts look good for you?
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22:41<edbian>ml|, I like google chome a lot. I think it has the best flash and javascript performance of any browser. My fonts are fine. I didn't notice a problem with them so I haven't touched them.
22:42<snogglethorpe>chrome on this machine seems roughly on par with FF for performance
22:42<ml|>hmm, fonts look horrible for me in chrome
22:42<snogglethorpe>(isn't there some thing with amd64 perf being not so good?)
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22:42<snogglethorpe>ml|: me too, but I tweaked fonts in the options dialog and they look ok now
22:43<edbian>ml|, It's quicker than ff for me. Debian lenny, with an ati radeon 9550 that has never worked quite perfectly It is very light weight. Unfortunately I am nervous that google is going to turn into skynet...
22:43<snogglethorpe>chrome does seem to have a lot of rough edges that FF doesn't have
22:43<ml|>snogglethorpe: i tried that but no luck
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22:43<snogglethorpe>the main advantage seems to be the "close a tab, free memory" thing
22:43<snogglethorpe>which i find useful if i'm already running close to the limits of memory
22:43<edbian>snogglethorpe, Does firefox hog memory even after you've closed tabs? I don't experiance that at all
22:44<ml|>chrome it is a bit faster here; not much tho
22:44<snogglethorpe>edbian: it doesn't seem to free memory as reliably as chrome, which makes sens, since FF is one process it probably uses a single malloc arena for many things
22:44<Ar|stote|is>Hello, can anyone tell me how to duplicate the audio from the two front speakers in ALSA so that i will be able to hear the same thing from the rest of the speakers too ?
22:45<snogglethorpe>the one thing is that chrome seems to use _more_ memory for lots of tabs, I guess because it's duplicating stuff between the per-tab processes?
22:45<edbian>Ar|stote|is, Are you sure your sound card / mobo supports that many channels?
22:45<Ar|stote|is>speaker-test -D surround71 -c 8 -t wav seems to run fine with my audigy + 7.1 speaker set
22:45<edbian>snogglethorpe, I've never looked that closely at the numbers but I do know that Chrome is supposedly better at modularizing tabs
22:45<snogglethorpe>the thing that drives me _crazy_ though, is that chrome steals "^N" keystroke for new window, even in text dialogues !!!! (I'm using gtk's "emacs bindings" mode)
22:46<snogglethorpe>edbian: yes, but as a result, seems to have more duplication
22:46<snogglethorpe>edbian: tabs in chrome are separate processes
22:46<Ar|stote|is>and i had ubuntu play from all the speakers at the same time (probably duplicating the audio from the two front to the side and rear ones)
22:46<snogglethorpe>and it's harder to share stuff between processes (not impossible, but...)
22:46<edbian>snogglethorpe, What do you use ^N for normally?
22:46<snogglethorpe>edbian: next-line
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22:46<snogglethorpe>(emacs binding, using gtk's emacs bindings mode)
22:46<ml|>would use it as a second browser but the font thing turned me off, iceweasel works fine for me just wanted to try it; i'll try it again when there is a stable version
22:46<edbian>snogglethorpe, Not the end of the world. Just change the settings for one or the other right?
22:47<snogglethorpe>edbian: ?
22:47<snogglethorpe>edbian: no, most emacs bindings work in chrome, just ^N doesn't
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22:47<edbian>snogglethorpe, Can't you change emacs so that some other key-binding goes to a new line?
22:47<snogglethorpe>it's clearly a bug
22:47<snogglethorpe>edbian: that would be stupid
22:47<edbian>snogglethorpe, OOOO, IC. Sorry about the confusion
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22:49<edbian>ml|, I use opera primarily. Chrome is putting up a good fight though. I'm not sure which will win out.
22:49<ml|>chrome will use more memory like snogglethorpe because of the per tab thing
22:50<ml|>that's coming to firefox
22:50<snogglethorpe>anyway it's nice that there's this sort of (basically friendly) competition
22:50<snogglethorpe>every browser will probably be better for it
22:50<ml|>edbian: i used opera for a while, but firefox wins for me
22:51<ml|>snogglethorpe: yes; we win :)
22:51<snogglethorpe>hopefully they'll steal each others good ideas !
22:51<Ar|stote|is>edbian, would pulseaudio do that for me?
22:51<ml|>for sure
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22:54<edbian>Ar|stote|is, pulseaudio, oss, and alsa are all sound servers. Technically they all "should" be able to do what you want. You're right BTW, your hardware should support what you want.
22:54<edbian>Ar|stote|is, I can't really help much more though :( I've never set up anything like that.
22:57<adb>!tell Ar|stote|is -about alsa
22:57<Ar|stote|is>before i try to install pulseaudio and see what happens is there a nice and simple way to backup my existing debian system so that if that breaks my audio ill be able to restore it to the current state w/o reinstalling?
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23:02<Ar|stote|is>anyway thanks edbian, i guess i'll have to wait till tomorrow to ask in alsa channel
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23:03<Ar|stote|is>one last thing what value should i add in /etc/fstab to automount a scsi hdd under <options> <dump> and <pass> ?
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23:07<ml|>Ar|stote|is: sure just backup / to another partition or drive and copy back make sure to use cp -a; can also use rsync -a for this
23:10<Ar|stote|is>ok thanks a lot. I'll be sure to make a backup tomorrow and then mess with my audio settings a bit further
23:10<Ar|stote|is>good night everyone
23:11<ml|>Ar|stote|is: man cp and rsync for more info; good night
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