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00:07<unixinixwenix>Debian rules!!!
00:07<unixinixwenix>I <3 iceweasel btw
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00:57<twb`>valdyn: reconfiguring keyboard-reconfiguration didn't prompt me at all about dontzap
00:58<twb`>valdyn: however, manually adding terminate:ctrl-alt-bksp to my setxkb call seemed to work
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00:58<s4>[SCOTTY]-[]-[4435 NORTH 78TH STREET UNIT 131A]-[SCOTTSDALE]-[AZ]-[85251]-[HTTP://]-[UPDATED]
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00:59<twb>So now I have only one problem remaining -- inverting the X display
00:59<twb>That used to invert ALL heads, but now it only inverts the LVDS1 head -- and if I disable that head, xdark crashes the whole machine.
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01:00<twb>Even weirder, the colour inversion stays there after I close X!
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01:14<geckos>gettin error while build emacs
01:14<geckos>Makefile:144: *** commands commence before first target. Stop.
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01:15<twb>geckos: don't build Emacs.
01:16<geckos>I want it without gui
01:16<twb>geckos: aptitude install emacs23-nox
01:16<geckos>really *
01:16<twb>geckos: no, I am just trying to trick you because I'm a heartless bastard
01:16<twb>geckos: this entire channel is an elaborate ruse
01:16<geckos>what repository?
01:17<jm_>emacs22 in lenny
01:17<geckos>I got
01:17<geckos>sorry for noob questions ):
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01:26<mish>I just put a new CPU on my motherboard (d945gcnl), Intel says that the motherboard supports a 1033 FSB, but also that the RAM only goes up to 667, how is that possible?
01:27<jm_>separate clocks
01:28<mish>So, the new CPU I put in is only running at 1600Mhz when it should be 2800Mhz, any ideas?
01:28<jm_>in debian?
01:28<mish>openSUSE, but soon to be Debian
01:29<jm_>do you have cpufreq enabled? probably best to discuss this elsewhere as to not annoy people
01:29<mish>Nope, not that I'm aware of.
01:31<jm_>ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
01:31<mish>Yep, shows various options
01:32<jm_>ok run cpufreq-info
01:32<jm_>should have started with that, I always forget
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01:34<mish>Hah! - "available frequency steps: 2.66 GHz, 2.13 GHz, 1.60 GHz"
01:34<mish>How can one disable this... How have I never heard of this. :)
01:34<jm_>there you go, it's saving you some money, not to worry as long as sane governor is configured
01:35<jm_>set governor performance, but honestly, run cpu hog and you'll notice it jumping back to 2.66GHz
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01:36<newsense>if its an amd cool n quite might be enabled in the bios
01:37<jm_>yeah same for intel on most boards
01:37*newsense can't afford intel cpus :(
01:37<jm_>doubtful to be for AMD and made by intel ;)
01:37<sney>the intel one is called speedstep, I think
01:38<sney>but it's the same thing
01:38<jm_>at least e5xxx and e7xxx are not that expensive, or celerons
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01:38<sney>also netbooks
01:38<newsense>got a deal on an athlon x2 a few months ago
01:39<sney>nothing wrong with amd anyway, I've been running amd64 for desktops for quite a few years
01:39<sney>not a fanboy, it was just what made sense at the time when I was buying. and my laptops have all been intel
01:39<mavez>they've just fallen behind in performance
01:39<mavez>still great cpu's though
01:39<mavez>i've got an x2 7850 in my media machine works like a treat
01:39<newsense>i like mine, went from a p4
01:39<jm_>that's irrelevant for most people - even the slowest AMD is more than enough for a desktop
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01:39<mavez>jm_ tru
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01:40<sney>yeah, the x2 4200 in this machine is laughably slow by hardware snob standards, but it does everything I need to do and more, so whatever
01:40<mavez>i mean from an overclocking performance point of view
01:40<mavez>sney, yes hardware snobs
01:40<mavez>that was the phrase i was looking for :)
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01:41<mish>jm_: It's for a Web/File/DNS/Media/PS3 Steaming server, upgraded from dual core 1.7 to dual core 2.8 and just saw the CPU spike and auto-scale. Awesome.
01:41<jm_>mish: i'll get tom for that
01:41<sney>speaking as a former hardware snob myself >_>
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01:45<mish>jm_: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was blown away to find out the E6300 "Dual Core" is essentially similar in performanced to the same spec "Core2Duo" but at 1/4 the price.
01:45<jm_>mish: e6300 is a very old CPU, but yeah there won't be a big difference in performance
01:45<jm_>mish: or do you mean E5300?
01:46<mish>E6300 Dual Core 2.8Ghz. Yeah, old, but great performance.
01:46<jm_>yeah that was one of the first
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01:48<newsense>what do you guys recommend for a home server that will be used for backups of multiple systems, streaming videos to ps3, mythtv server and probably more services
01:48<mish>jm_: I've never heard of having seperate clocks for RAM and the CPU, but it's obviously true, is it common now?
01:50<jm_>mish: yes, the days of single FSB clock used for everything are gone
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01:53<mish>jm_: M Google-Fu is lacking, I'm after a page describing this as a work-mate told me that beacuse the RAM was 667Mhz there is no way the CPU would be able to get a FSB of 1033, I want to educate him. :)
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01:57<mish>Makes sense, cheers.
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02:12<raylu>so, i'm running out of space on one of my partitions but, luckily, it's in an LVM
02:12<raylu>i have another partition in the group with some space to give; both are ext3
02:13<raylu>do i resize2fs to reduce, lvreduce, then do the reverse on the other partition?
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03:04<K0JIbKA>:-DHi all!
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03:23<Woet>I have a server with a partition for /home/ and /, would it possible to combine those live?
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03:35<pablum>how to configure xorg if install didn't find vcard pci address or monitor timings?
03:35<Woet>jm_: any hint how?
03:35<Woet>since this is a live server i don't really have any room to experiment
03:36<pablum>or better: lspci prints address of vcard differently than xorg.conf expects it to be written. How do I reconcile those?
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03:37<jm_>Woet: one of the union solutions - but I suppose you are after somehting else after reading this
03:38<jm_>pablum: what happens when you start X?
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03:38<pablum>jm_, it starts fine, but only offers 800x600 resolution
03:39<jm_>pablum: check the log for more info
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03:40<pablum>jm_, that's where I learned it doesn't like the address. lspci gives 0000:00:10.0 xorg.conf wants something like 0:0:10
03:41<pablum>but that does't work, either...
03:42<jm_>pablum: paste the log on some pastebin
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03:48<jm_>pablum: you're not using debian, are you?
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03:48*pablum ducks
03:50<jm_>looks like PPC which is using FB - doesn't that use the same resolution the kernel is booted with?
03:51<jm_>probably better to ask in #ubuntu or some ppc channel
03:51<jm_>it reports some whacky mode
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03:56<pablum>so, whatever happened to utilities like xf86config?
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03:58<dangerc0de14505>hi all
03:58<dangerc0de14505>@xayon... hi
03:58<dangerc0de14505>how to listen musik on backtrak 4??
03:58<se7en_>how do i use read in a bash scrip so i can press y/n without having to use the enter key after the input
04:00<jm_>newer version of X server no longer need config file
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04:02<snogglethorpe>how come people come here and ask ubuntu questions anyway? isn't there #ubuntu?
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04:10<jm_>se7en_: you need to put terminal in non-canonical mode first
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04:15<olet>does anyone have an idea of how to stop update-grub (from grub2) from adding the search line when UUID is disabled?
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04:16<jm_>olet: disabled in /etc/default/grub?
04:16<olet>yeah and it's only the search line that includes UUID
04:17<olet>and it makes it fail when booting
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04:18<jm_>which version of grub is this?
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04:21<snogglethorpe>se7en_: you can also use some options with the bash "read" command
04:22<snogglethorpe>se7en_: e.g., "-n NCHARS -- return after reading NCHARS characters rather than waiting
04:22<snogglethorpe> for a newline"
04:22<olet>grub-pc: Installed: 1.97~beta3-1
04:22<snogglethorpe>se7en_: so maybe "read -n 1 ..."
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04:22<olet>grub-common: Installed: 1.97~beta3-1
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04:22<olet>also known as the version in testing
04:23<snogglethorpe>se7en_: yea that works for me: read -n 1 x
04:23<snogglethorpe>reads a single key into the variable x
04:23<snogglethorpe>without any return necessary
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04:26<hansw_>I'm having trouble with xorg after my upgrade from etch to lenny yesterday.. it seems i get a sigsegv in the radeon driver, but the strange thing is it worked right after the upgrade, before i rebooted
04:27<olet>hansw_: which driver are you using?
04:28<hansw_>olet: i just apt-getted xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon
04:28<jm_>olet: how did you disable it?
04:28<olet>jm_: with the option that's there that was commented
04:29<jm_>olet: yes show me how exactly
04:29<olet>in default/grub
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04:30<olet>hansw_: and you did a full upgrade from etch?
04:31<hansw_>olet: i did a dist-upgrade, yes
04:31<jm_>olet: what does "/usr/sbin/grub-probe --target=device /" return?
04:31<hansw_>olet: it seems i can run fine if i put in "vesa" for Driver instead of "ati" on the Device, but then i can't run in full resolution
04:31<pythonic>hi, i'm trying debian-cd and simple-cdd but i can't figure out how to create the official netinst amd64 cd myself
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04:31<hansw_>the strange thing is it worked yesterday, but now when i boot afresh today
04:32<hansw_>i am also getting a warning "RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) foun".. i don't know if that's related to the sigsegv though
04:33<olet>jm_: grub-probe: error: Cannot restore the original directory
04:34<olet>hansw_: pastebin the log of an x start
04:34<jm_>olet: huh, how about if you run sh -x .../update-grub ... ? do you see anything odd?
04:34<hansw_>olet_: i will try to get it out of my desktop and onto the laptop which i use for irc :)
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04:36<hansw_>olet: where are the x start logs stored?
04:37<valdyn>hansw_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log usually
04:37<hansw_>valdyn: found it, thanks
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04:39<olet>hansw_: well where did you get that warning from ;)
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04:39<hansw_>olet: hang on, i'm working on it :)
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04:40<hansw_>olet: here we go..
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04:41<olet>jm_: hmm... it gives the error too now it didn't 20 min ago
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04:45<hansw_>olet: my xorg.conf is here, in case it's interesting
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04:48<olet>hansw_: what is the output of uname -r
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04:51<hansw_>olet: 2.6.26-2-686
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04:52<olet>hansw_: try "modprobe radeon" as root
04:53<hansw_>olet: wehey, that did the trick, i did that, and now starting gdm works :)
04:53<hansw_>olet: is there something i should to do make it load ati always when i boot?
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04:54<hansw_>olet: or radeon
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04:55<olet>hansw_: add radeon on a line on it's own in /etc/modules
04:56<hansw_>olet: ok, thanks for your help, this made my day much nicer :)
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04:58<olet>jm_: /etc/grub.d is gone...
04:59<olet>at least that explains the error
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04:59<jm_>olet: who removed it?
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04:59<olet>no idea
05:00<olet>ok hold on
05:00<olet>i need to investigate this
05:00<jm_>maybe just reinstall grub-common
05:01<olet>i forgot i sshed to a lenny machine sorry :)
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05:02<olet>yeah /etc/grub.d is there :)
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05:03<olet>jm_: any ideas on what the issue could be?
05:04<olet>a grub bug?
05:04<jm_>olet: well run it with -x
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05:11<Freak>anyone has a source code for and as well?
05:11<hansw_>? :)
05:11<Freak>what i mean is source code for posting like admin
05:11<petemc>Freak: this is a debian support channel
05:12<locklace>!lart Freak
05:12*dpkg whacks Freak with the cluebat
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05:13<Freak>sorry sorry
05:14<Freak>yeah i am in a wrong room hehehe sorry people
05:14<Freak>but its ok :)
05:15<olet>jm_: nope i don't see anything unusual
05:16<olet>not with grub-mkconfig either
05:16<jm_>olet: can you post the outputs?
05:16<olet>other than it including those search lines
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05:18<olet>jm_: the output of grub-mkconfig
05:19<olet>and grub-mkconfig ;)
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05:21<jm_>olet: sh -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig /dev/whatever
05:21<olet>sh can't run grub-mkconfig ;)
05:22<jm_>how so?
05:22<olet>uhm nm
05:22<jm_>it's a shell script (/bin/sh, not even bash)
05:23<olet>well it wouldn't earlier
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05:26<olet>well it does get the uuids before getting the conf
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05:28<jm_>olet: yeah but we don't see what /etc/grub.d/10_linux script is doing - that's where it should use GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID
05:28<olet>yeah good point
05:28<jm_>I forgot about that ;)
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05:30<olet>well we can :)
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05:30<olet>just takes a little quick editing of grub-mkconfig
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05:33<jm_>or the 10_linux file yeah
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05:34<olet>yeah that would be better good idea
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05:36<dsl>can anyone help me with a question about locating a Windows network folder in IceDove?
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05:38<dsl>I'm trying to set the path for 'local folders' to a folder on the network. i can browse/open files on the network without problem but cant seem to do so in icedove
05:38<dsl>I've tried smb://computer/folder or just //computer/folder with no joy
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05:39<petemc>dsl: perhaps install icedove-gnome so you can use gnome-vfs stuff
05:39<dsl>theres no way to manually set the path it seems, one can only do it via the browse button
05:40<dsl>ah, that looks right thanks petemc
05:40<dsl>i'll try it
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05:41<dsl>as im a novice i dont mind asking another silly question - why are my icons so small when i create a new launcher?
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05:45<olet>it sorta makes sense to me now
05:45<olet>what it searches for is the /boot partition
05:45<olet>but i still don't see why that should be necesary
05:46<olet>when i've disabled uuid for the root
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05:47<dsl>installed that package, restarted icedove, hasn't made any difference :( Is the network to be found somewhere in the File System and if so where?
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05:49<petemc>dsl: probably the go menu, connect to server or some such
05:50<jm_>olet: i'll take a look in a while
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05:52<dsl>petemc, sorry i think my question isnt clear: I'm trying to designate a folder on a windows network as the place to store emails. when i click the browse button in icedove I can't see the windows network anywhere
05:53<petemc>right, but can you see using nautilus etc?
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05:53<dsl>the network yes, I've added launchers to my desktop etc no problem
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05:54<dsl>the only locations in icedoves browse dialog are my home folder, desktop, filesystem, search and recent
05:54<dsl>i.e. it seems to be expecting me to choose a folder on this machine
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06:02<dsl>the same issue is noted here (on ubuntu) maybe a solution too, reading
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06:04<olet>jm_: ok
06:04<jm_>olet: ok I get it, it's not using it for the kernel, but it's using it for grub
06:04<olet>well if i just remove the line it does fine
06:04<olet>but yeah
06:05<olet>it doesn't boot with the line...
06:05<jm_>does it start booting the kernel?
06:05<olet>the search fails
06:06<olet>well it goes on forever to be exact
06:07<dsl>petemc: that package doesnt seem to be in Debian, I wonder if smbnetfs will work as it puts the network under a mountpoint... any thoughts please?
06:07<jm_>the only way I see to disable is if fs has no uuid, i.e. grub-probe --target=fs-uuid fails
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06:08*olet wonders if that's possible these days
06:08<petemc>dsl: the package is in debian, but certainly you could try mount -t cif -o -o username=foo,password=bar "//" /mnt/foo
06:09<jm_>depends on fs, but standard ones have it
06:09<petemc>dsl: then access /mnt/foo
06:09<jm_>olet: does it list the right uuid in the grub.cfg file?
06:10<olet>it's ext2
06:10<dsl>hmmm but this needs to be set permanently by default for non technical users
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06:11<petemc>dsl: you can put it in fstab
06:11<olet>jm_: yeah it's the right one listed
06:12<jm_>olet: hmm how about if you try the version from sid?
06:13<olet>jm_: ok if it doesn't get a uuid from grub-probe it just sets 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
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06:13<dsl>petemc: I know what this is but it's on the edge of my linux ability and dont want to mess up...I'm trying to switch from an XP machine to Debian and there's an awful lot to do! A simpler route that i can replicate if needs be would be better
06:14<jm_>olet: what's the return value of the grub-probe command in such case?
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06:14<olet>and grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /dev/hda1.
06:14<olet>that's the output
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06:15<jm_>olet: ok so I guess that would work as expected then
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06:15<olet>yeah perhaps
06:15<olet>i'll give it a shot
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06:18<olet>jm_: nope same problem with the uuid being full of 0s
06:19<olet>i'll try the one from unstable but last i did it did not improve
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06:19<petemc>dsl: a simpler route would be not to have the mails stored on a network share
06:20<jm_>olet: I think I've seen such bug reports with older version, but it was supposed to be fixed with newer one
06:21<jm_>happened to me at home too - where it failed to load grub modules
06:21<dsl>petemc: i dont think pyneighborhood is in Lenny anyway
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06:21<jm_>nope, it was removed
06:22<jm_>ahh no that's LinNeigh...
06:22<jm_>but I am searching for a replacement for a while now so let's give this py thing a try
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06:23<olet>jm_: i'm giving the one from unstable a try
06:24<jm_>bummer need to try it in chroot
06:26<dsl>rebooting here...brb
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06:29<olet>jm_: nope no luck with that either but it's not an issue with it not loading modules
06:29<olet>because it does everything but the search
06:30<olet>even if i try searching for a file it's aware is there
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06:30<olet>it fails
06:30<olet>or as i said rather keeps going forever
06:30<jm_>olet: probably best to check BTS/file a new bug then
06:31<imganquan>hi all. Can I use mouse in tty>
06:31<jm_>imganquan: you have my permission
06:32<imganquan>jm_: I'm not English native speaker. What is your word mean?
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06:32<dpkg>gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks.
06:32<ananth123>imganquan: it means, yes, you can use the mouse
06:33<petemc>im not sure if thats still relevant
06:33<olet>imganquan: take a look at gpm
06:33<imganquan>petemc: thanks. I got it.
06:33<imganquan>thank you all friends
06:33<olet>yeah i had to think about what it was called first so i'm just slow ;)
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06:36<imganquan>OK. I install gpm, it's great .thanks to all warm hearted people
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06:51<jvam>de onde vc é
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07:07<jmut>hi. how can I figure out from which apt source a given package comes from
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07:07<jmut>aptitude show doesn't seem to give such info
07:08<dsl>back again, no resolution to my problem in telling icedove that it's local folders are on a windows network. although I can browse the network and create launchers or open files i cant seem to browse from within applications
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07:09<immolo>jmut- I don't know the correct way but if you press control and c while it's downloading it will give you all the info you need
07:09<dsl>e.g. i can open an OO spreadsheet on the windows network by double-clicking but can't broswe to it from OO Calc
07:09<jm_>jmut: uninstalled package?
07:10<jmut>jm_: never installed before
07:10<jmut>immolo: I am sure there must be more elegant approach :)
07:10<jm_>jmut: apt-cache policy foo
07:11<jm_>you can also use --print-uris with apt-get
07:11<jm_>!which repo
07:11<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
07:12<jmut>jm_: thanks a lot
07:12<immolo>jmut- There has to be :)
07:14<dsl>if I try to create a link to a file via right-click and 'make link' I get an 'unsupported operation' error while creating the link....any ideas please?
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07:14<dsl>if i do it via desktop create launcher all is ok
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07:32<pj>when 'completly removing' Eclipse from my debian system, directory ~/.eclipse/ stay there. is this normal ?
07:33<olet>yeah very normal
07:33<pj>lol ok
07:33<olet>you can remove it though if you don't want to keep your settings for when/if you install it again
07:33<pj>i thought 'complete removing' includes config files, .eclipse/ contain config, doesn't ?
07:35<olet>well it includes systemwide stuff in /etc/ but dpkg doesn't do anything with users homedirs
07:35<pj>k thx
07:35<olet>it's part of the debian policy
07:35<pj>i'm pretty new to debian
07:35<pj>so I'll clean it myself
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07:44<zeev>Hi, there used to be a "debian_from_windows_installer" on, but now I find there some new distro "gNewSense"... where can I find a proper debian_installer now?
07:45<jm_> has pointers to debian installation media
07:45<jm_>or images for it
07:45<zeev>I need to do it from windows
07:45<zeev>as it once was possible
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07:47<jm_>that just used grub4dos to launch the installer from windows boot menu
07:47<craigevil>doesnt lenny have an installer that can be launched from windows?
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07:48<dpkg>hmm... debian.exe is a way of installing Debian Lenny from Windows using a network connection, available from . It copies <GRUB2> to C: drive, downloads a <netboot> kernel/initrd from a Debian mirror, and creates entries in NTLDR's boot.ini for loading Debian-Installer via grub4dos. See also <win32-loader>
07:49<zeev>this one didn't work for me
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07:49<zeev>it didn't load linux
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07:50<jm_>ahh neat, didn't know it contained setup.exe
07:50<zeev>debian.exe failed to load, I only saw rescue>
07:51<zeev>with a list of comands
07:52<themill>you could try on freenode
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07:54<zeev>there is no such channel there
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07:57<pj>I try to find a command that 'populate' the /dev/ directory with dsp, dsp0 and these kind of stuff. I need it in order to use alsa oss emulation.
07:58<pj>does someone comes with an idea ?
07:59<pj>I used it yesterday, thought result was permanent.
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07:59<pj>but reboot reversed it.
07:59<jm_>pj: should be created when you load the modules
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08:01<pj>jm: /dev/ already contains a lot, just not the files /dev/dsp I need to use oss emulation
08:02<jm_>they are created when you load a module
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08:02<jm_>pj: just load the module
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08:02<pj>modprobe -l shows loaded modules ?
08:02<jm_>lsmod or cat /proc/modules
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08:03<jm_>module name is snd_pcm_oss
08:04<jm_>modprobe -l '*oss*'
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08:05<jm_>!tell pj -about paste
08:05<pj>what ?
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08:07<pj>jm: what were u saying when I been kicked
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08:09<jm_>pj: nothing
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08:09<pj>lol ok thanks to u this worked
08:10<pj>it wasn't loaded as u said
08:10<pj>wich file control module loading at startup ?
08:11<jm_>man modules
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08:21<zeev>I found win32-loader here: but it is a debian package?
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08:21<zeev>how am I supposed to run it on windows?
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08:23<diggy>maybe some exe files are inside of that package?
08:24<pj>My /etc/modules file only contains 1 line wich is: "loop", is this normal ?
08:24<jm_>pj: yes
08:24<pj>is this a module ?
08:24<pj>ok =)
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08:25<zeev>diggy: yes there is an exe, but when run it - it says : cannot find win32-loader.ini
08:26<diggy>zeev: i don't know, try to create empty win32-loader.ini
08:27<immolo>zeev- maybe this one will help
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08:28<zeev>this one failed to load, I got rescue> with a list of comands (in grub)
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08:28<jm_>both of those files are on debian C-s
08:28<jm_>CD-s too
08:28<zeev>which files?
08:28<jm_>setup.exe and win32-loader.ini
08:29<zeev>is there anything else?
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08:29<zeev>could you please send them to me?
08:29<zeev>I want to install debian testing
08:30<jm_>ehh? just download a CD image, burn it, insert it into the drive and autorun will kick
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08:35<zeev>where the .ini file is supposed to be? I got both of the on a usb now, but it doesn't see it there?
08:35<zeev>on c:\?
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08:36<diggy>c:\windows or c:\windows\system32
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09:08<malpo>buon giorno a tutti, domanda da principiante:
09:08<malpo>come imposto l'ip fisso?
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09:10<pj>I'got to install eclipse ide
09:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:11<pj>I downloaded eclipse as a tar.gz it apears to contains eclipse files, but I don't know where to install these.
09:11<pj>can someone help ?
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09:12<noflash>pj, why not use the debian package?
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09:13<pj>couln't find it =/
09:13<noflash>apt-cache search eclipse ?
09:14<yattering>don't install. Just unpack and run it.
09:14<pj>because" I want to install pdt
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09:14<pj>and eclipse provide a pdt ide in a single archive
09:14<noflash>have fun, is there an #eclipse channel?
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09:14<pj>I'll take a look
09:15<pj>yattering: where can I unpack it ?
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09:15<noflash>pj, there is on freenode
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09:15<pj>k thx a lot =)
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09:19<pj>is there a directory in debian which is meant to contains applications ?
09:19<pj>(like eclipse =)
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09:21<yattering>you can unpack and run program from you're home dir ex: /home/pj/eclipse
09:21<pj>ok why not
09:22<pj>please tell me how to talk to someone in particular
09:22<pj>like u do with me
09:23<noflash>!tell pj -about msg
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09:24<pj>tell noflash -about test
09:24<pj>!tell noflash -about test
09:24<pj>!tell noflash test
09:25<pj>seems it misunderstood sthing
09:25<noflash> /ignore -replies pj
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09:26<xayon_>pj on irc?
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09:34<pj>!tell pj -about msg
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09:34<pj>!tell pj test
09:34<Titan8990>!tell pj about selftell
09:35<pj>Titan8990: thx
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10:04<cucciola_bea_kiss>ci sono italiani
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10:10<bighornram>I'm having an ongoing problem encrypting files (seahorse). I submitted a bug report over a month ago. I just installed Ubuntu on my wife's computer and it is able to encrypt files ;O Seahorse versions are the same. I've installed the Ubuntu packages on my machine and still no go. Anyone else have this problem or any suggestions how to fix it?
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10:14<gnu[f]>Qt: 4.5.3
10:14<gnu[f]>KDE: 4.3.4 (KDE 4.3.4)
10:14<gnu[f]>kde4-config: 1.0
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10:22<trinhnv>hi there
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10:39<deavid>Hi! It is possible to fsck a partition on reboot without being on front of the PC? (I'm using a server by ssh and i need to repair a device)
10:40<dpkg>To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/ Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file.
10:41<deavid>thanks :-)
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10:57<sdk>Quick question. Running updatedb and find as root, the system is not indexing or finding files mounted on other drives. I'm using: 'updatedb' and 'find / *mp3'. The locate is returning a prompt, and find is returning nsfod. They seem to be only searching on the boot drive, and not any other mounted drives. Ideas?
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10:57<sdk>Err.. should read finding files on other mounted drives... sorry.
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10:58<sdk>cd /
10:58<sdk>whoops. Wrong term.
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11:09<jidm>hi. i'm having issues when trying to record a mic with gnome-sound-recorder, on debian testing
11:10<jidm>no mater what fyletype i choose, it records a tone (similar to the phone tone), and the generated file seems to be bigger than it should (i.e. 10 minutes for a 5 seconds record)
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11:11<jidm>what can i do for debuggin it and find what's wrong?
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11:13<jidm>i have no issues with audacity. this one works ok. but i'm affraid this issue affects me from using other voice apps
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11:15<cahoot>jidm: tried arecord?
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11:18<jidm>cahoot: no, but same happens on other gnome apps like cheese, i suspect i'm having some misconfiguration or missing dependency
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11:26<benzas>afternoon fellas , I am new with linux (backtrack) can you tell me how to make a file like on windows (.bat)
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11:27<benzas>coz i want to execute few commands, but dont want to go to command shell
11:27<Titan8990>benzas, A) this is NOT a debian question
11:28<benzas>backtrack4 is a debian
11:28<Titan8990>benzas, B) get over not wanting to use the command line C) FORGET basically everything you know about windows
11:28<Titan8990>benzas, no bt4 is based on UBUNTU, which is based on DEBIAN
11:28<Titan8990>!based on debian
11:28<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
11:28<Titan8990>benzas, #remote-exploit on
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11:28<cahoot>well forget is a strong word - just don't try to implement winhabits on linux
11:29<Titan8990>i prefer to forget :)
11:29<benzas>thank u for your advises . but still no help received
11:29<forest>what's the fastest way to get the current unix time (epoch) ?
11:29<bharathi>how to overcome dansgaurdian in ue
11:30<Titan8990>benzas, you won't get help here, i just told you where you can get help
11:30<petemc>benzas: /connect /join #remote-exploit
11:30<Titan8990>benzas, read the factoid again, based on debian is not supported here
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11:31<benzas>thank u Titan8990
11:31<benzas>will try in remote-exp..
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11:33<ric>hello would someone hit my site to see if it's resolving properly? please
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11:33<perk>forest, date +%s
11:33<bharathi>what is your site? ric
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11:34<petemc>ric: there are various websites that offer "looking glass" facilities to check dns etc
11:34<ric>Ahhh yes thank you very much
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11:35<forest>thanks perk, I just got it in #debian-nyc
11:35<ric>why doesn't debian install the gnome desktop from the cd-rom?
11:36<petemc>ric: it does, if you tell it to
11:36<ric>I could not get it to work I checked off DEsktop Enviroment
11:37<petemc>you'll have to provide more information than that
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11:37<perk>forest, you shouldn't cross post :-)
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11:37<ric>well the install went alright but when I rebooted all I got was a command prompt
11:38<ric>then I installed it again with my internet cable plugged in and gnome installed
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11:39<petemc>ric: where packages are installed from is controlled by /etc/apt/sources.list
11:40<ric>ya I'm just learning about that right now.
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11:41<ric>I better go to bed I feel like I'm going to throw up from sleep deprivation cheers
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11:43<forest>perk, you are right, thanks, just didn't get a response here and didn't want to wait a whole *Epoch*
11:43<forest>but thanks.
11:44<perk>forest, irc is slow some times. getting an answer in 4 minutes is fast. :-)
11:44<perk>i'm off. bye.
11:44<forest>see you in more than 4 minutes
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12:07<pdragon>is webmin still supported on Debian Lenny ?
12:07<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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12:08<pdragon>ok what can i use insted of that
12:08<cahoot>pdragon: the generic answer is any goot editor
12:08<cahoot>meh good
12:09<pdragon>do what ?
12:09<cahoot>pdragon: the generic answer is any editor
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12:09<pdragon>well what would you recamend to use ?
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12:10<cahoot>as editor? vim/nano/gedit?
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12:10<dkr>ssh to connect to the system and use any editor to modify config files yourself, and also learn to use commands like adduser
12:10<pdragon>i use mc for that
12:11<pdragon>im talking about web admin panel for my linux box
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12:15<jpablo>Hi there... Anybody can tell me about the settings of the video card GM965/GL960 in Debian ?
12:16<cahoot>jpablo: lenny?
12:16<jpablo>no, squeeze
12:17<cahoot>jpablo: ok - got just that gfx in my T61 - runs perfect without any xorg.conf at all
12:17<amphi>jpablo: what about them? I have that card here
12:18<amphi>jpablo: man intel has info on the options, but you shouldn't need to mess with the defaults
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12:20<jpablo>amphi: There is problem when a game is running
12:21<jpablo>compiz has problems also
12:21<negro-jei>ok amphi, I did backup of xorg.conf
12:21<amphi>negro-jei: hurrah!
12:21<negro-jei>there is problem with compiz
12:21<negro-jei>and games
12:22<amphi>if the games are fullscreen, telling compose not to redirect full screen windows may help
12:23<amphi>otherwise don't use compiz and opengl games *shrug*
12:23<amphi>#compiz on freenode may have more ideas
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12:23<negro-jei>the game does not start
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12:24<jpablo>Compiz is no the problem maybe
12:24<jpablo>The problem is the driver of the video card
12:25<negro-jei>that's the problem
12:25<jpablo>amphi: do you have any problems with graphics effects?
12:25<amphi>or the game - but as you don't give any info, it's hard to say
12:25<amphi>I don't use compiz; opengl stuff works fine as far as I can see
12:27<negro-jei>everything works unless things 3d effect
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12:34<negro-jei>amphi: what do you setting recommend look
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12:35<jpablo>amphi: what settings or files do you recommend for him
12:36<jpablo>for check the video card setting for the 3D effects
12:39<amphi>I don't have any, other than disabling composite, which is not what you want for compiz ;)
12:40<jpablo>or games
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12:45<amphi>you don't need composite for games
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12:55<maxxe>any release date set to squeeze?
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12:56<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. Expected to be released in early 2010, see See also <squeeze kernel>.
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12:57<maxxe>woohoo go squeeze go debian
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13:00<metalqga>i'm using english localization and would really like to read japanese characters, now I see only boxes or nothing readable..., no problems with cyrillic and utf-8
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13:01<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>.
13:01<maxxe>debian is a fucking master piece of code ;)
13:01<metalqga>but I'm not japanese, I only want to see the chars
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13:02<Titan8990>metalqga, yeah, I think you just need to generate the locale, but don't set it as default or anything like that
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13:06<chealer>dpkg: no, squeeze is <reply>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. See also <squeeze kernel>.
13:06<dpkg>okay, chealer
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13:07<azeem>chealer: is it clear that it will be 6.0?
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13:08<chealer>azeem: I'm not 100% sure, but I would call it Debian 6
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13:09<chealer>6.0 is what the press release said anyway
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13:10<azeem>which press release?
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13:16<maxxe>!squeeze kernel
13:16<dpkg>i guess squeeze kernel is likely to 2.6.32 and will not have kernel mode setting enabled by default. See and ask me about <KMS>.
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13:48<mercutio22>I am having a little trouble with my wireless connection being disconnected when I use a bittorrent client - transmission-gtk. I am not sure whether the issue is with my router or my wireless device card shutting down temporarily. Nerwork manager briefly greys out wifi connections. Dmesg shows nothing weird. It says "deauthenticating by local choice":
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13:56<metalqga>mercutio22 limit up/download speed in transmission
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13:57<metalqga>and you may also try deluge
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13:58<jrabbit>Hey svn seems to be broken for me on testing
13:58<jrabbit>$ svn checkout deluge_trunk
13:58<jrabbit>svn: XML parsing failed: (411 Length Required)
13:58<kop>mercutio22: As a random guess, try a newer kernel from bpo.
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14:00<mercutio22>kop, metalqga I would like to try and find out the source of the disconnection error first. You see, it seems some routers are known to restart when overwhelmed by lots of connections. So maybe there is some log file I can look into first? A log dedicated to connectivity issues?
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14:01<mercutio22>metalqga: My upload speeds are capped already...
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14:05<metalqga>check the router's logs
14:05<metalqga> or
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14:18<kpoorman>i'm trying to create a 32bit chroot on my amd64 box using pbuilder but it's failing with the error: -> running cdebootstrap
14:18<kpoorman>P: Retrieving Release
14:18<kpoorman>E: Couldn't download Release!
14:18<kpoorman>any ideas?
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14:22<dondelelcaro>kpoorman: start by using --debug --verbose; and see what it does
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14:22<dondelelcaro>kpoorman: most likely, you're using the wrong mirror, or similar.
14:23<dondelelcaro>kpoorman: or if you mean that you're using pbuilder to create the root directly, make sure that your .pbuilderrc contains a correct release.
14:23<dondelelcaro>(and you probably want to actually use cowbuilder instead)
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14:46<pigeta>hi guys
14:46<pigeta>anyone here??
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15:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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15:11<aquarat>!ask to ask
15:11<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
15:12<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
15:12<aquarat>!cooperation in asking for help
15:12<dpkg>[cooperation in asking for help] trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. Abbreviated as <cia>
15:12<aquarat>end of trail :/
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15:18<ml|>!tell aquarat about selftell
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15:19<aquarat>I understand
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15:28<Ignaz>hi, all
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15:58<amerigus>Hi, peoples!
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16:00<amerigus>Who can help me with Debian installation
16:00<amerigus>What's problem with "Debootstrap error"?
16:00<Titan8990>pastebin the full error
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16:02<amerigus>This error is on my Debian 5.0.3. disk
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16:02<amerigus>And I check sum MD5 and SHA-1, they are good
16:03<amerigus>Who knows what is this?
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16:21<faheem>does anyone happen to know how do temporarily disable fetchmail?
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16:22<faheem>hmm, maybe START_DAEMON in /etc/default/fetchmailrc
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16:25<dpkg><o7andrew> i know, why don't you just hack me, and then we can rEaLLy chat LoL
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16:29<BlackFate>when i thunar ~/.gvfs thunar takes me back to home dir.. i cant access .gvfs from thunar in any way. any ideas?
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16:34<resmo>For a project, i am trying to set up an own debian repo with a pool. Aptitude update says: "Conflicting distribution: http://example main Release (expected stable but got )" What is related to thi,s? Release file?
16:34<resmo>Need some hints what I should google for...
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16:36<Kfree>hello, can someone show me his /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf for lenny please ?
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16:36<Titan8990>resmo, you have to specify a release
16:36<Titan8990>resmo, e.g. http://example lenny main
16:36<Titan8990>resmo, with that, it thinks "main" is the name of the release, not the repo for the release
16:37<resmo>so it is looking to the directory name?
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16:37<Titan8990>resmo, no, thats not how it works
16:38<Titan8990>resmo, look at the root of the filesystem on the repo:
16:38<Titan8990>see a directory named "lenny"?
16:38<resmo>yes i do
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16:39<Titan8990>resmo, uhh, well its not there lol
16:39<Titan8990>its another directory deep from the root
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16:40<Titan8990>just trying to point out that "lenny" is not read as a path name, it knows to go in /dists/ to find the release
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16:43<dertdog>would someone be able to help me install a driver for a wireless usb device?
16:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:50<resmo>Titan8990: found the problem, seems that after lenny a sub dir is needed
16:50<Titan8990>resmo, im not sure exactly what your doing but you probably could have just used apt-mirror
16:51<resmo>nope, cause I am not doing a mirror, doing a own debian repo with my own crappy packages...
16:52<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
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16:53<resmo>Titan8990: thx
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16:53<dertdog>I am having trouble loading modules for realtek RTL8187 chipset wireless device... i am running debian linux 4.0 on embedded arm TS-7350. i run the included ./makedrv... then try to run the script to load the modules ./wlan0up and get : ts7000:~# ./wlan0up
16:53<dertdog>insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
16:53<dertdog>insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
16:53<dertdog>insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
16:53<dertdog>insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
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16:55<dertdog>i am having trouble with realtek rtl8187 chipset wireless usb device... I am running debian v4.0 on embedded arm
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16:55<dertdog>i load the ./makedrv included and it seems to extract the files
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16:56<dertdog>then i run the script ./wlan0up and shows these errors: insmod: can't read 'ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko': No such file or directory
16:56<dertdog>any ideas?
16:57<Titan8990>dertdog, makedrv? wlan0up? where did these scripts come from? what do they do exactly?
16:57<dertdog>they came from the manf. of the device.. drivers cd
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16:58<kop>dertdog: Best to avoid the manufacturers and use what debian packages. Isn't the driver in the kernel? See also /msg dpkg module-assistant
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16:59<dertdog>makedrv extracts the files from runs make
16:59<dertdog>wlan0up is a script .... insmod insmod ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko
16:59<dertdog>insmod ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko
16:59<dertdog>insmod ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko
16:59<dertdog>insmod ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko
16:59<dertdog>insmod ieee80211-rtl.ko
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17:00<@Ganneff>dertdog: dont you ever learn? read why you get kicked
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17:03<dertdog>i see what i was kicked... i was trying to paste the errors I was seeing...
17:04<dertdog>not sure how to use #Flood
17:04<dondelelcaro>dertdog: use or similar
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17:09<dertdog>How would I got about using the driver in the debian kernel?
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17:12<sam_>I hate linux
17:13<resmo>sam_: no linux hates you
17:13<locklace>!hate sam_
17:13<dpkg>I hate sam_!
17:13<sam_>I was unable to boot
17:13<sam_>so I reinstalled debian
17:13<resmo>sam_: so linux hates you
17:13<sam_>Activating swap......
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17:14<sam_>it printed activating swap
17:14<sam_>and it didn't boot
17:15<sam_>and that command:
17:15<sam_>!remove gnome
17:15<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
17:15<sam_>makes you delete network-manager
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17:15<sam_>so you can't download it back
17:15<sam_>and you need to reinstall
17:16<sam_>that sucks
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17:17<dertdog>I think i know the issue... when i run make i get: /lib/modules/2.6.21-ts/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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18:41<dpkg>A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian.
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18:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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18:45<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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18:52<petemc>thats quite a large factoid
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18:53<zeus>hi all, how can i know when a package (exim4 in my case) has been installed ? (dpkg --get-selections lists only installed packages)
18:56<petemc> /var/log/dpkg.log{.*}
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18:57<zeus>petemc: THANK YOU !
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19:25<dpkg>somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
19:26<sam_>!adobe flash
19:26<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
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20:03<Mish->I have a basic server with four SATA connections (each on a seperate channel), I'm thinking of adding two additiona 1TB drives and making a three drive RAID-5 set, how is the software RAID-5 performance these days?
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20:30<norrec>so i'm trying to install debian via the net install but the system has a broadcom 5716 and there are no drivers for it on the cd, i downloaded the driver from broadcom but its a makefile not a .deb so the system cant find the driver on the flash drive, or i assume thats what the deal is. so any suggestions on how to get the driver to load so i can do the net install
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20:32<fgh>Dec 16 02:12:11 petra sshd[20326]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for ims-wimax-201-158-178-148.mtyxl [] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
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20:33<gsimmons>norrec: /msg dpkg bcm5716 ; /msg dpkg kmuto
20:35<norrec>gsimmons: thanks =)
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20:46*AzaToth starts to wonder if there ectually exists an formal specification for the hq{2,3,4}x scaling algorithms
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20:46<AzaToth>trying to figure out logic though an mile long switch statement consiting of million of preprocessor defines isn't my choice of spec
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20:49<norrec>gsimmons: hey, one more thing, do u know if there is a signifigant difference between installing with the custom installer vs the standard?
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20:50<AzaToth>I mean, did he found it using trial and error?
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20:51<gsimmons>norrec: WRT the kmuto d-i images, your new system will have the 2.6.30 kernel installed (instead of 2.6.26), along with the supply of some device firmware. The installer itself is functionally identical.
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21:02<Joe__>hi just installed debian on a virual machine and when i do "apt-get install make" it says "Package make is not available"... what's wrong?
21:03<kop>I recently installed lwresd and libnss-lwres and changed the /etc/nsswitch.conf host line to "hosts: files lwres [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4". Now I'm seeing some delay in dns resolution I didn't previously have, when I was running bind locally. FWIW there's always been a local caching nameserver on the lan that gets all the requests from the lan, this hasn't changed. Short of just removing the lwresd packages how can
21:03<kop>Joe__: Did you 'aptitude update' first?
21:04<kop>Joe__: If so, then the problem is that /etc/apt/sources.list does not reference any repositiries. You might want to pastebin it.
21:04<adb>apt-cache search make
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21:05<kop>Joe__: What debian version?
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21:05<kop>Joe__: You know about pastebin?
21:05<Joe__>what line should i add on source.lis
21:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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21:09<Joe__>what should i add to sources.list?
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21:10<kop>Joe__: You can comment out the cdrom line, unless you really want to keep inserting the cd. Then add something like "deb lenny main". Or change the "ftp:" to "http:" for http.
21:10<kop>Joe__: Then do "aptitude update" to pick up the info from the new repository.
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21:13<norrec>gsimmons: well thanks again =)
21:13<kop>Joe__: See also: Some mirrors perform much better than others. YMMV.
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21:14<kop>Joe__: There are also ways to set this in synaptic (the gui) but I don't know them.
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21:16<Joe__>it worked... thanks!
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21:23<lili_>hi ,everyone...
21:23<lili_>good morning...
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21:25<Waddymelon>Sick of negggroooees and their monkeyshines? Then give us a try at Chimpout Forum! WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. At Chimpout we welcome all non-negroid races, including Asians, Whites, non-negroid Hispanics, Turks, Arabs, Jews, Mexicans, and Native Americans. Give us a try today!
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21:44<ebanders>I'm having a very strange problem with iceweasel: it locks up after starting whenever invoked without a path or url
21:45<vhann>#Does someone know how to clear all previous DHCP
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21:48<vhann>Does someone know how to clear all dhcpcd leases from an SSH connection?
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21:50<vhann>ebanders: Tried checking errors in the terminal?
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21:53<ebanders>vhann: depending on which dhcp server you are running you may have a file similar to /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
21:53<vhann>ebanders: Yeah, dhcpcd I'm using, but it rewrites itself
21:54<vhann>ebanders: I think it might be because I'm doing this remotely
21:54<ebanders>you need to stop the daemon remove it, and then restart it
21:54<vhann>ebanders: Yeah, but if I stop the daemon, how do I access the machine ;)
21:54<vhann>I'm SSH connected
21:55<ebanders>vhann: the tubes don't break when dhcp servers get restarted do they?
21:56<vhann>Ah well, I just stopped the daemon and now don't have any access... way to be stupid
21:57<vhann>Anyway, I tried '/etc/init.d/networking stop; :> /var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-eth0.leases; /etc/init.d/networking start'
21:57<vhann>It still got the same IP
21:58<ebanders>why do you care? do you have a grudge against a particular number?
21:59<vhann>ebanders: It's complicated: I'm actually at my apartment and the server is at my parents' place. I got dd-wrt (router firmware) to get dynamic DNS (so I can always access the router since the IP changes from time to time)
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21:59<kop>vhann: You don't want to stop networking, just dhcpd.
22:00<vhann>ebanders: Then, to access the server, I need a port forwarding rule, so I created a static DHCP rule for the server but it's not getting the IP I'm wanting it to
22:00<ebanders>kop: I think he restarted networking hoping to get a new ip on a client machine.
22:00<vhann>kop: OK, I'll try to get someone there to restart the server
22:01<vhann>s/the server/the networking daemon
22:01<kop>vhann: The way I solved your problem was to install openvpn on the remote end and have it connect to a static IP at my end. Then I can always get to it through the tunnel.
22:02<kop>vhann: If the IP changes openvpn reconnects and aside from a period where the datagrams stop the connection itself continues uninterrupted. You just wait and eventually all your connections keep working.
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22:02<vhann>kop: Ok, but I don't think this will work forme
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22:03<vhann>kop: I mean, you need a public IP on your end, right?
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22:03<kop>vhann: I suppose dynamic dns would work as well, but might take longer to re-sync. (I got my service from speakeasy, which hands out static ips. Cost is a bit higher, but customer service rocks.)
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22:04<vhann>kop: Ok, I personnally use free dynamic DNS services
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22:05<kop>vhann: Not so good for voip and such. I don't like the way sip requires a 3rd party to establish routing.
22:06<newsense>i have a sata hdd and can choose either sata or ahci mode, would i get better performance from one of them ?
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22:09<vhann>kop: I understand your reasons, but this wouldn't work for me as I want to be able to access the serverfrom anywhere (I mailed my RSA pubkey to my email)
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22:13<kop>vhann: I access from anywhere, just via my regular network. But nothing wrong with what you're doing, although you might want to give the box on the remote end a static IP on it's LAN. Why not?
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22:15<vhann>kop: That's exactly what I'm doing (static IP). dd-wrt (my router firmware) gives static DHCP leases
22:15<vhann>kop: The benefit is I can still access the machine via hostname without having to configure /etc/hosts of all other clients
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22:16<kop>vhann: Lordy, you need to be running a local dns server (dnsmasq perhaps) so you don't mess with /etc/hosts.
22:16<vhann>kop: Yeah, that's what the router does
22:17<vhann>Or so I believe
22:18<newsense>anyone know what i should choose for my sata mode in my bios to install dbian to a sata hdd, i can choose sata ahci or raid, i don't need raid
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22:18<kop>vhann: The lease isn't static unless you've configured the server to hand out a specific IP to a specific mac address.
22:18<newsense>sata, ahci, or raid that is sorry
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22:19<kop>newsense: Dunno. I seem to recall that achi was something there for backwards compatibility, so you probably don't want it. Better do your own research though.
22:20<newsense>kop, only thing i figured out from my own research was ahci enables hot-plugging of sata drives but i hear there is ore to it
22:20<kop>vhann: I find it easier to avoid dhcp on the client and just give it a static address in the interfaces file.
22:20<kop>newsense: I must be wrong then. Sounds like a job for wikipedia. ;-)
22:20<newsense>yeah and it was written by intel
22:21<kop>vhann: (Of course you do need to know what address block your dhcp server is handing out so as to avoid conflicts.)
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22:23<vhann>kop: I am unsure, but what they call 'static leases' seems to be exactly what you're talking about
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22:26<kop>vhann: Yes, sounds right.
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22:28<vhann>kop: Hum, seems like you were right about dd-wrt:
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22:34<vhann>'nyway, back to studying, cya all
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22:52<magyar>hi, which vpn is best suited for server to server tunnels?
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23:30<sanduz2>i am on debian sid, trying to get wireless with wpa2 working. ethernet and wireless without security works fine. i am trying to use wpasupplicant package to accomplish this
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23:31<sanduz2>the guide i found says to link to the wpa_supplicant.conf file from inside the interface file. this doesnt seem to be working
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23:35<gsimmons>sanduz2: You shouldn't need a wpa_supplicant.conf file in most situations, you can enter wpa_supplicant parameters/values (wpa-*) as iface options in /etc/network/interfaces. Which guide are you following?
23:35<sanduz2> this one
23:36<sanduz2>ill try what you said right now :)
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23:42<minor723>If I am using 64 bit debian, and installed wine. Would I install 64 bit itunes or 32 bit itunes
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23:44<sanduz2>hey gsimmons it still didnt work, i simply added (wpa-ssid MYSSID wpa-psk MYPASSWORD) to the file and dhcp doesnt discover the network
23:44<minor723>Anyone know how I can make xsane detect my epson scanner?
23:45<gsimmons>sanduz2: Do you know which driver are you using for your device?
23:45<sanduz2>hmm no, but wlan0 works just fine with an unsecured network if that means anything
23:46<sanduz2>and so does ethernet
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23:47<gsimmons>sanduz2: Use 'readlink /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver' or similar.
23:48<sanduz2>was the output
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23:54<ehren>general linux question (I am using sid though)... ls -l lists the size in blocks? how do I get the exact byte size of a file?
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