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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-21

---Logopened Mon Dec 21 00:00:04 2009
---Daychanged Mon Dec 21 2009
00:00<z3r0>Hey, you Mr. !ot get over yourself
00:00<z3r0>If we don't get off topic no one would talk
00:00<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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00:01<Mr_Queue>cheese and rice... this again?
00:01<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
00:01<z3r0>lol jk
00:01<cantik>no,im not mr...but im miss
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00:02<z3r0>How can I fix the problem I stated earlyier
00:02<Mr_Queue>no so many of the long hairs around.. :)
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00:04<adb>"login: can't set groups: Operation not permitted" > where we set groups ?
00:04<gsimmons>z3r0: Pastebin the complete error received (/msg dpkg paste). You should have something stated prior to "dpkg: error processing ircd-irc2".
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00:05<ml|>adb: trying to add a group?
00:05<cantik>what group???????
00:06<adb>no , just i got a strange system here ... but not debian .
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00:06<amphi>adb: /etc/group you mean?
00:06<Mr_Queue>Not Debian?
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00:07<adb>maybe amphi
00:08<adb>Mr_Queue, you right .. that system say all time " well.." hehe
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00:10<cantik>any body room????????
00:10<Mr_Queue>:) the message should read.. "Error, you need to replace this junk with Debian"
00:11<adb>Mr_Queue, i used Debian to build it , so is like his sun //
00:11<cantik>where u from?????????
00:11<twb>!tell cantik about english
00:12<twb>I wonder if there's a #debian-lol or whatever.
00:12<adb>yes , it is (from now ..)
00:13<cantik>u from???????
00:13<ml|>there is #debian-offtopic ;)
00:13<amphi>ml|: no there isn't
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00:14<ml|>amphi: ;P
00:14<amphi>ml|: emboldening again *tsk*
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00:21<cantik>im from malaysia
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00:26<twb>Everyone is from somewhere.
00:27<cantik>where zero
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02:18<cbrinke1>Evening All, anyone know what the status of the cdiamge servers are? I am trying to get a daily .iso and it has been timing out for the past few hours.
02:18<twb>cbrinke1: just do a netinst
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02:18<cbrinke1>twb: can't trying to get this to preload onto a USB stick for installation into an EEEpc :/
02:19<twb>cbrinke1: there are custom images for Eee PCs.
02:19<twb>See #debian-eeepc
02:20<cbrinke1>twb: yep, been following this.... but the link points to an iso at which is down apparently
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02:21<ml|> /msg dpkg usb-install that might help
02:22<twb>cbrinke1: oh, I see.
02:22<cbrinke1>apparently i have an eeepc that needs some special treatment :)
02:23<twb>cbrinke1: join #debian-eeepc, people there know best how to make your Eee PC go.
02:23<cbrinke1>twb: thanks, Ill give it a shot :)
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02:35<prem>hi ..i have a .avi there a way i can create/write it as a video dvd which is playable in dvdplayer
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02:35<prem>when i use k3b to create it as a video dvd says "not enough files"
02:36<prem>i ddint understand what other files i need except the .avi file..?
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02:42<sney>you would need to convert it into VOB files somehow
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03:09<bike_>anyway i can jump from a 32 bit to a 64bit smp ? dist upgrade wise
03:09<twb>bike_: to migrate from i386 to amd64, you must reinstall
03:09<bike_>are you sure? i cant force it?
03:11<twb>You can try
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03:50<jmm>ew lol.
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04:12<graml>hello everyone. i've got a problem after installing debian. i installed the following system: raid1 > dm-crypt > lvm > ext3 (/) & ext3 (home) & ext3 (swap) and raid1 > ext2 (boot). the installing process is successfull. the /target/etc/crypttab is also filled correctly, i checked that before i pressed enter to reboot. but now i boot the new debian system. grub starts successfull.
04:13<graml> but then i got some errors, i can't solve:
04:13<graml>i installed now 3 times, but got always the same errors. does anyone know a solution for that problem?
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04:30<twb>graml: "Couldn't find device with uuid '........................'." sounds like you forgot to fill in a UUID in fstab or something
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04:36<graml>but that error come's at the first boot after a new debian installation.
04:37<twb>Maybe a bug in the cryptloop support
04:37<graml>the /target/etc/fstab is here:
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04:39<graml>the points in the given example of the uuid, i just wrote instead of numbers and letters
04:41<twb>So what you're saying is that instead of giving the real output, you doctored it?
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04:43<nano->Is it possible to give permission to a user to restart one service with invoke-rc.d?
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04:43<nano->..or similar tools, but that functionality at least.
04:43<twb>nano-: I don't think so.
04:43<twb>Not in any remotely safe way, anyway
04:44<graml>yes, but just the uuid. cause i don't know it now, and i m at the end of the installation to collect informations. right before the first boot of the new system. so i cant check for the uuid in the error message
04:44<twb>graml: OK
04:44<graml>but the error message is true
04:45<graml>sorry got to go, i m be back in about a hour.
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05:44<jmm>I got some problem with grub and RAID while installing debian. all seems ok until it tries to install grub, here it fail with 'error executing grub install'. when I try to install it by hand ( grub-install --root-directory /boot/grub hd0, it fail telling grub-probe : error out of disk .
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05:45<jmm>there are 2 others errors : /usr/sbin/grub-install line 374, unary operator expected ( it's related to grub-probe output I believe ).
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05:46<jmm>and 'the file /boot/grub/stage1' do no read correctly.
05:46<jmm>does anyone got some idea ?
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05:57<lucas2>good moring
05:57<lucas2>wIs this a good place to ask USB related questions?
05:57<jmm>Bus 001 Device 001 ID magnet
05:58<jmm>dunno if it's the good place, but still ask.
05:58<gsimmons>lucas2: As long as you can relate it to Debian, sure.
05:58<lucas2>of course :)
05:59<lucas2>I am running Debian on a rather old PC, Pentium 2 233 MHZ
05:59<lucas2>it contains an on-board USB 1.1 port to which I connected a new 1,5TB external HDD
06:00<lucas2>which worked fine, everything connected perfect and I can mount the filesystems on /dev/sda without any other manual action
06:00<lucas2>Now I built in an USB 2.0 PCI card
06:01<lucas2>which seems to be recognized, but anything connected to this card is not found
06:01<lucas2>it just seems all empty
06:01<lucas2>so am I overlooking something?
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06:02<lucas2>any ideas, anyone?
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06:02<jmm>lucas2: did you check in dmesg when connecting devices ?
06:02<jmm>is there any message ?
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06:03<lucas2>jmm: well all I can find in dmesg is that the ehci_hcd driver is loaded
06:04<lucas2>no errors or anything
06:04<lucas2>lsusb -v shows the 4 ports in this card but nothing that is connected
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06:04<jmm>what kind of card is it ?
06:04<lucas2>When I connect my HD it reacts to the connection, so at least the HDD senses any connection
06:05<lucas2>Vyrus001:0d.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65)
06:05<lucas2>Vyrus001:0d.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65)
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06:06<lucas2>Vyrus001:0d.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65)
06:06<lucas2>jmm: is this the information you ask?
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06:07<jmm>did you tried plugging something else in the card ?
06:07<jmm>like a mouse or a keyboard. something that do no require juice.
06:07<twb>jmm: he might be plugging into the USB 1.0 ports
06:07<lucas2>jmm: I have an old USB-to-NIC converter, it also didn't work
06:08<lucas2>I tested it on a Windows pc (the NIC), there it worked
06:08<jmm>twb: oh I hope not :p
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06:10<lucas2>twb: I hope that would not be possible on a USB 2.0 card..... However, even if I did, I should be able to see my device - right?
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06:11<twb>I have seen many boards that include both USB 2 and USB 1 controllers, and some ports are wired to each
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06:11<twb>I don't know if a USB 2 controller alone can have ports forced to USB 1
06:11<laurent>hello, what is the difference between authorized_keys and authorized_keys2 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
06:12<twb>laurent: the latter is ignored?
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06:13<jmm>twb: it's the first one ;)
06:13<lucas2>twb: I don't know... But even if the port were somehow forced to 1.1, I would still expect to be able to see my device
06:14<twb>I guess that's true
06:14<lucas2>Now I see nothing, just like nothing is connected
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06:14<twb>lucas2: you're looking in dmesg?
06:14<lucas2>what do you want to know?
06:14<twb>What happens if you manually modprobe usb_storage?
06:15<lucas2>twb: it loads the driver but it won't find any devices
06:16<twb>Have you confirmed that the USB drive works in another machine?
06:16<lucas2>Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
06:16<lucas2>usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
06:16<lucas2>USB Mass Storage support registered.
06:16<twb>If so, I would write off either the USB card or the card + motherboard + linux combination
06:16<lucas2>that's it
06:17<lucas2>twb: well, actually the device works on the same machine, if I connect it to the on-board USB 1.1 ports
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06:18<jmm>lucas2: is your usb hdd adapter old ?
06:19<twb>Even if the HDD adapter is 1.1 only, I would expect the card to negotiate
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06:19<lucas2>jmm: the server itself is very old. The USB 2.0 PCI card, and the HDD are brand new
06:19<laurent>twb: hello, not it is not I am just trying to figure out the difference if any and which name is debian state of the art ?
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06:20<twb>laurent: AFAIK authorized_keys2 has never been used by anyone, anywhere, ever.
06:20<jmm>twb: it what I use currently on my debian box .
06:21<themill>twb: I used to use it on DEC OSF/1 boxen...
06:21<twb>jmm: to avoid conflicts when you share /home with SSHv1-only hosts?
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06:21<jmm>it was the default in the docs I used.
06:21<jmm>prolly debian's doc or something...
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06:22<jmm>twb: maybe I'm doin something wrong.
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06:27<lucas2>Anyway, thanks for the reply
06:27<lucas2>I have to leave...
06:27<jmm>good luck.
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06:30<gsimmons>laurent, twb: authorized_keys2 is used as a fallback public key file, if AuthorizedKeysFile is not defined in sshd_config (Debian bug #560156).
06:31<twb>gsimmons: huh. Thanks.
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06:53<prem>In my lenny when I try to add a iso file of 3.7GB ,the file roller throws "zip warning: name not matched: backup.iso" error
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06:53<prem>cant I add large files in a zip..?
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06:56<gsimmons>prem: You might be hitting Debian bug #308345.
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08:07<xbmc>hi, I installed a nfs server on my debian fileserver but I cannot connect to it, it always says: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting this is the /etc/exports on the server: and this is what I get on the server with exportfs -a: what can I do to fix that? I used: xbmc@videorechner:/mnt$ sudo mount -t nfs /mnt/Film
08:07<xbmc>e on the client
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08:32<niclas>hey guys, i have a problem : I have installed Pidgin, and Pidgin doesent got an Internet Connecten plus the gnome network manager doesnt work. Im running debian testing squizze , any ideas ?
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08:45<tuxcrafter>does somebody know how to match all ppp+ intefaces except ppp0 with a iptable rule?
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08:50<jmm>heh guys, when trying to install debian on an existing RAID array( from a previous install for eg ) , must that array be deleted or something before installing again ?
08:51<koollman>jmm: no
08:51<jmm>that a good news :)
08:51<jmm>thanks koollman .
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10:04<trmanovo>hey guys, I got some flac files that ogg123 can't play, mplayer can. However, I can «flac -d file ; flac -8 file.wav» and the resulting flac is readable by ogg123.
10:05<trmanovo>When testing, flac -t originalfile , no mistakes, all ok. What is going on?
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10:21<miguel000>since a couple of days i can not watch videos anymore. but i did not remember changing anything?
10:21<miguel000>mplayer however crashes with : mPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open
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10:25<error0327>hii all
10:26<error0327>i am using debian kde 5 and i like to set my video card ATI 9600 so i can run all the effects functions any help ?
10:27<laurent>do you know why there is not md5sum files like /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvutils.md5sums for instance ?
10:28<laurent>i thouhgt i should see all md5sum files for all packages installed on my machine ? am i right ?
10:29<z3r0>Lol, lots of questions no helpers
10:29<error0327>i am new i the linux world
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10:29<error0327>and if that the help i get then
10:29<z3r0>I kinda am been running 3 debian servers for about 5 -6 monthish
10:29<error0327>must back to windows
10:30<z3r0>DOn't go back to windows just your help varies from time to time
10:30<error0327>ok if you say that
10:30<themill>laurent: not all packages have .md5sums files. Most do these days though.
10:30<z3r0>sit in the channel for a while and wait about an hour if your question isn't answered repost
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10:35<themill>laurent: Installing debsums will automatically generate the files if they are missing; "man debsums" gives you a config snippet to include if you want to do so manually during installation.
10:35<z3r0>Can someone help me I've been haveing this problem since yesterday, when I try to install IRCD-IRC2 I get some errors here they are I am running Lenny. Starting irc server daemon: ircdinvoke-rc.d: initscript ircd-irc2, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing ircd-irc2 (--configure): subprocess post installation script returned error exit status 255. Errors were encountered while processing ircd-irc2. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1)
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10:38<kop>z3r0: You might check the bug tracking system -- the package is part of lenny and you get that message when you try to install it?
10:40<kop>error0327: How do you know it's not "run[ning] all effects functions" now?
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10:41<kop>z3r0: Also, check the logs.
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10:42<kop>dechang: Hello.
10:42<dechang>what should i aptitude install in order to have a GUI for setting screen resolution on lenny?
10:43<error0327>kop : becuse in the configure desktop effects the compositing is temporarilt disabled
10:43<error0327>and i cant enabel it
10:43<dechang>i use openbox (if that matter)
10:43<laurent>hello themill thx, I get this issue running rkhunter, I identified for other files that the md5sum was matching
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10:43<laurent>thus I just ran rkhunter --propupd
10:44<kop>dechang: I always just install "gnome" or "kde"and it comes with such stuff, although I can't recall using it it's been so long. Which isn't much help to you, sorry.
10:45<error0327>ok thanks
10:45<kop>error0327: Do you have the non-free repository enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list? There may be a proprietary driver there. But before you do that what driver are you using?
10:45<dechang>its ok kop , i just try my luck :)
10:45<dechang>maybe god want me to use gnome... or kde.
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10:45<kop>error0327: You may be using a generic driver and need to install something more specific from the regular repostiory.
10:46<kop>dechang: I think you can do X --configure at the command line to configure the resolution. I forget.
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10:47<kop>error0327: What does "aptitude search ~ivideo" say about what video driver is installed?
10:47<error0327>kop: i dont know what driver i use must be some thenk general
10:47<error0327>ok one sec
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10:48<error0327>that is a lot of text can i past it here ?
10:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
10:49<error0327>then what to do ?
10:49<kop>error0327: Actually, the thing to paste is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:49<error0327>ok one sec
10:49<dpkg>from memory, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
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10:50<kop>error0327: I'm not really good with X. I tend to poke around and it works for me.
10:51<kop>error0327: pastebinit would be good to paste your Xorg.0.log. That says for sure what driver you are using.
10:51<error0327>Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets
10:52<error0327>ATI Radeon 9600
10:53<error0327>i find my driver name in the file
10:53<error0327>soo it must work ?
10:53<error0327>write ?
10:54<kop>error0327: Dunno. It might not have all the features... The thing to do is read the man page. Just a sec. (What's the driver name?)
10:54<error0327>i am installing pastebinit
10:54<melmothX>error0327: check if you have firmware-linux installed from non-free
10:55<kop>melmothX: Oh good. Someone who knows what they're doing.
10:55<melmothX>which serie r?xx is that card (lspci )
10:56<melmothX>it was a question, sorry
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11:00<error0327>i am really in a big miss i dont understand all the thinks you told me to do
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11:00<dutchfish>9600: ATI RV350 (M10) PCI ID: 1002:4c66
11:00<error0327>that is it
11:00<trmanovo>hey guys, I got some flac files that ogg123 can't play, mplayer can. However, I can «flac -d file ; flac -8 file.wav» and the resulting flac is readable by ogg123. Any ideas why?
11:01<melmothX>error0327: firmware-linux is installed?
11:02<error0327>just installed it now
11:02<melmothX>ok, restart X or better the machine and see what happen
11:03<error0327>bye for now
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11:06<z3r0> Can someone help me I've been haveing this problem since yesterday, when I try to install IRCD-IRC2 I get some errors here they are I am running Lenny. Starting irc server daemon: ircdinvoke-rc.d: initscript ircd-irc2, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing ircd-irc2 (--configure): subprocess post installation script returned error exit status 255. Errors were encountered while processing ircd-irc2. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1)
11:06<khades>trmanovo: that can be caused by container error
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11:07<trmanovo>hmm ..., I suspected something like it
11:07<SQlvpapir>any tips on how to chroot to something of a different arch? I'm on a amd64 machine trying to work on a armel disk
11:08<dechang>sorry, any fast tool / utils that support copy and paste?
11:08<error0327>just back to say thanks a lot for all the great users that help me
11:08<dechang>on debian lenny?
11:08<trmanovo>khades: thanx, does it mean that mplayer bypasses the errors?
11:09<melmothX>error0327: np
11:10<trmanovo>khades: to stdout it prints that ffmepg is ised for decoding, w/o any more comments
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11:17<newdebuser>where is a good place for a well versed windows admin learn linux, as well as to get this Debian system to access other wireless networks other than the one that I installed the system through? I am running lenny on an asus eee pc 900 installed using the flash drive on a wireless network that uses security protocols and I want to access open networks in public locations as well as private networks I would take this system to.
11:18<petemc>newdebuser: /msg dpkg wifi
11:18<newdebuser>thanks petemc
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11:28<khades>trmanovo: i just think that flac can be packed in ogg container and can't be packed, packed ogg-flac is played by ogg123, non-packed isn't
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11:31*dechang stuck with setting resolution
11:31<jmm>does anyone tried to preseed an installation on a raid 5 array ? my setup is going wrong and having some working example could help.
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11:33<dechang>i installed lxrandr
11:33<dechang>but i don't see any mode there
11:33<althaser>my system freezes, no sysrq avaliable, what logs should I look ?
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11:34<kop>melmothX: I can't find the 'firmware-linux' package either via aptitude or by searching packages at Why not?
11:35<melmothX>it's in non-free
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11:35<kop>melmothX: But both are supposed to search non-free as well. (Try the search at
11:36<melmothX>ah. It's only in testing/sid
11:36<kop>melmothX: I must be doing something wrong.
11:36<kop>melmothX: Ah. He _said_ he was running lenny.
11:37<melmothX>if he fixed installing it, it obviously means he was _not_ in lenny
11:37<kop>althaser: Hard to say. /var/log/messages. Maybe. The only way to capture such output for sure is via a serial console, attached to another device that's recording the output.
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11:39<kop>althaser: (If the system crashes entirely, it won't write to the disk and so you won't get log output.) What do you mean "freezes"?
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11:40<althaser>kop :/ mmm ok, I mean just reset button works :S no ttys no sysrq, nothing just reset
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11:45<kop>althaser: A serial console is easy, but you do need a cable and another device/computer. /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/serial-console.txt.gz
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11:46<althaser>kop mmm ok thanks I will see :)
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11:50<dechang>cool, i just figure out how to change resolution, the hard way
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12:10<dechang>i don't find lighttpd or nginx in lenny dvd1
12:10<dechang>:( gonna download again
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12:14<Cadmium01>I installed nautilus-actions package, how can I access it?
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12:17<cahoot>tried right-click on a file/object?
12:17<Cadmium01>no change
12:18<Cadmium01>it has a GUI cofig editor bt not sure how rto access it
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12:20<Cadmium01>command not found
12:20<cahoot>sure got installed here
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12:21<Cadmium01>cahoot, it's not in the Debian repo?
12:21<cahoot>it is in sid at least
12:21<Cadmium01>ok, must not be in Lenny
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12:38<tuxcrafter>i am having policy issues with dbus/polkit with bleutooth and network manager on my xfce systems since a few days
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12:38<tuxcrafter>thinks like: Error: (9) Connection ":1.31" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies in the configuration file
12:39<tuxcrafter>if somebody regcofince this on his own system please tell me
12:39<Cadmium01>I need to install kernel sources, how exactly do I know what package those are in?
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12:42<cahoot>aptitude search linux-source?
12:43<cahoot>(presuming a linux kernel)
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12:44<Cadmium01>cahoot, will try that thanks
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12:53<Cadmium01>if my kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 does it mean it's an AMD system?
12:54<amitz>Cadmium01: can mean any processor that supports i686 instruction set (intel, amd, etc)
12:55<Cadmium01>amitz, how can I determine which is the most suitable package from here:
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12:58<amitz>probably lenny_i386, but not sure.
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13:23<lothar>Hi, I stumble over my video card setup having a new monitor with 1920x1080 but resolution setup is at maximum of 1280x1024. Is there a graphical tool to change monitor and thus get higher resolutions?
13:24<khades>what video card do you have?
13:25<lothar>Mac mini with a ATI Radeon 8900 I think.
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14:07<iamthelostboy>not too sure if this is the correct place to ask this... I am building a deb file, from a source directory extracted from subversion. Is there a way to exclude the .svn directories when using dpkg -b, or is there another way to achieve this?
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14:19<Lethalman__>iamthelostboy, try svn-buildpackage
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14:29<lothar>Can someone help me with my displaysetup (MacMini, ATI Radeon 8900, Debian Etch)?
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14:35<lothar>Ok, no one coule help. I'll ask later or try it in XF86 config file. By.
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15:11<niclas>Could someone help me on pidgin ?
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15:14<babilen>niclas: Yes, nice birds. You should feed them regularly ...
15:15<babilen>niclas: Just ask. What is the problem?
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15:15<niclas>Problem : Pidgin does not got an internet connection
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15:15<niclas>i uses the experimental debian squeeze
15:16<niclas>and the gnome network applet doesnt work
15:16<babilen>niclas: Can you get online at all? And what do you mean by "experimental ... squeeze" ?
15:16<niclas>with iceweasel , etc can i go online
15:17<niclas>i have installed debian 5.0.3 , and then changed the apt sources
15:17<niclas>than i upgradet to kernel 2.6.32 etc
15:17<babilen>Alright, looks like you have to fix your network manager setup. Any changes to that?
15:17<niclas>i dont have made any changed
15:17<niclas>my /etc/network/interfaces looks like normal
15:18<babilen>niclas: You changed them to what? Can you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" please?
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15:18<niclas>and post it here ?
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15:18<babilen>niclas: no, use a pastebin like
15:19<babilen>!tell niclas -about paste
15:19<babilen>!tell niclas -about pastebinit
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15:21<niclas>any ideas ?
15:21<babilen>niclas: where did you get that sources.list?
15:22<babilen>the basic idea would be *not to mix releases*
15:22<niclas>i dont know anymore, could you get me the original debian squeeze sources with experemental etc ?
15:23<babilen>!tell niclas -about sources.list
15:23<babilen>!tell niclas -about lenny->squeeze
15:23<niclas>!tell babilen yes
15:24<niclas>how can we wishper ?
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15:24<babilen>niclas: That should get you started. Sorry, I have no interest in supporting this hodgepodge ...
15:25<babilen>niclas: Why have you upgraded to this wild mix of releases? You should stick with stable and use backports if you need newer packages.
15:26<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
15:26<niclas>im not expert in debian, and some told me to use the experemental sources etc
15:26<babilen>niclas: Do not listen to these people again
15:26<niclas>where can i get those good sources for 6.0 with backports
15:27<craigevil> is the way to go , especially if your new to debian
15:27<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
15:27<niclas>i m new to use debian for desktop, i use debian for server long ago but i wannted to use iceweasel 3.5.6 etc and those newer package which are not in stable releases
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15:28<babilen>niclas: But that won't help you anymore. I would say you are facing a reinstall. Have you upgraded lot's of packages afte including unstable, testing and experimental in your sources.list ?
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15:28<babilen>niclas: still *don't* use experimental ... Hell, don't even use unstable/testing if you don't know what you are doing ...
15:29<niclas>so when i use backports and stable i have the newest packages ?
15:29<niclas>like iceweasel 3.5.6 ^= firefox 3.5.6 ?
15:30<babilen>niclas: That is bad. You have to reinstall your system, or fix it. You might manage to settle down on a sid (unstable) system, but I would not recommend that to you.
15:30<babilen>judd: versions iceweasel
15:30<judd>babilen: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.5.5-1 sid: 3.5.6-1
15:30<niclas>you see squeeze and sid only use the newest iceweasel
15:31<babilen>looks like it's not in backports. You could upgrade to testing if you feel comfortable with fixing some issues ...
15:31<niclas>what is sid ? a newer version of squeeze ?
15:31<babilen>sid == unstable
15:32<babilen>!tell niclas -about releases
15:32<niclas>so that is a problem ...
15:32<babilen>is it?
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15:32<niclas>so the best is that i install the newest version of suqeeze or ?
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15:34<babilen>I can't decide that for you. If you want to fix some problems with the system once in a while and feel comfortable with triaging bugs then running squeeze would be an option.
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15:34<babilen>s/want to/feel fine/
15:34<gsimmons>niclas: WRT Pidgin, you are likely hitting Debian bug #545143, due to NetworkMananger no longer managing wired interfaces by default in Squeeze.
15:35<niclas>what would you do if you want stable and secrure debian with newest iceweasel etc ?
15:35<babilen>!dbugs 545143
15:35<dpkg>#545143:N[pidgin] Pidgin doesn't connect, says "Waiting for network connection" (); Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:36:02 UTC [545510 547647]
15:35<babilen>niclas: Wait until squeeze is stable
15:36<niclas>so use lenny, and when squeeze is stable , upgrading to squeeze ?
15:36<babilen>niclas: right.
15:36<niclas>when squeeze is released, do i get upgrades for iceweasel etc and anytime the newest kernel ?
15:36<babilen>niclas: yes
15:37<babilen>niclas: err ...
15:37<niclas>but what means than experimental and backports ?
15:37<babilen>niclas: what do you mean? once squeeze is released you will only get security updated. That's what is stable about stable
15:38<niclas>what should i use , when i want any updates for any programms and kernels ? like experimental
15:39<babilen>niclas: Read the debian manual ... it's all explained in there. In a nutshell: stable == same versions, security fixes, testing/unstable == changing versions, experimental == developer playground, backports == newer versions packaged to run on stable
15:39<babilen>niclas: you don't want experimental!
15:39<niclas>ok so i install system new with Lenny, and add the backports
15:40<babilen>You could do that, but that still won't give you access to iceweasel 3.5
15:40<kop>niclas: And do you want it to always work, if so use stable. Eventually update to the next stable.
15:41<niclas>a last question , if I use backport, with lenny. get i the newest kernel (2.6.32) ?
15:41<babilen>niclas: There are other ways though ... I would say: Install Debian stable and get comfortable with the system ...
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15:41<niclas>my meaning is that, squeeze is faster than lenny
15:42<gsimmons>niclas: Do you need 2.6.32? lenny-backports has 2.6.30.
15:42<babilen>niclas: If you have specific needs come here and ask what to do ..
15:42<fnmueller>in terms of updateing to newer version, yes. I mean, there simply should not be a version update in stable
15:42<niclas>no i dont have specific needs, but i dont want to hang some month on 2.6.26 or so ;)
15:42<fnmueller>however, anything but stable is by definition not stable
15:43<niclas>yeah ok
15:43<babilen>niclas: As I said, running a testing system is an option if you depserately need all these shiny new things. I would still advise you to get known to Debian before you consider that though.
15:43<fnmueller>but I understand your problem. I use different distributions, all have updated to a current version of thunderbird, expcept for debian
15:44<fnmueller>and that is really messy if you use roaming home profiles
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15:44<fnmueller>I did not find a way to really cope with that - yet
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15:44<fnmueller>I would love a different soucre I could use just for the mozilla products
15:45<fnmueller>but there does not seem to be such a thing for debina
15:45<niclas>yeah. I mean with stable = if a kernel like 2.6.32 is filaly released as stable i would like upgrade to it withhin 1-2 days
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15:45<niclas>you say it fnmueller
15:45<craigevil>fnmueller: just use the mozilla version rather than icedove
15:46<fnmueller>hmmm, maybe I should simply use OBS and package it myself
15:46<kop>niclas: You can always build your own kernel. /msg dpkg make-kpkg
15:46<babilen>niclas: It could be that Debian is not the right distribution for you
15:46<fnmueller>craigevil: how would I do that?
15:46<babilen>fnmueller: download, configure, make, make install ?
15:46<fnmueller>babilen: well, exatly what I do now want to do
15:46<babilen>fnmueller: great
15:47<fnmueller>babilen: I have numerous machines, comiling that on each one is not an option
15:47<craigevil>fnmueller: the mozilla packages just need to be extracted, not much to it other than creating shortcuts, i dont use thunderbird but i do use firefox
15:47<babilen>fnmueller: except iff s/now/not ;-)
15:47<niclas>babilen: Debian is the only dist for me, because i like the system but i think i better run a more secure system like an experimental so installing lenny with backport will be the best choose for me
15:47<babilen>niclas: yes, probably
15:47<babilen>!tell fnmueller -about ssb
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15:48<fnmueller>no input/output
15:48<fnmueller>got it
15:48<fnmueller>I believe it's easier for me via OBS
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15:49<craigevil>unfortunately even 'ssb" doesn't help if you want thunderbird3, even sid only has
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15:50<fnmueller>that way can distribute it via sources.lst and apt.get update && apt-get upgrade via a cronjob
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15:50<babilen>craigevil: as i said, you can always compile the source for yourself. Or package thunderbird3 for debian ... some DDs might be happy about the work
15:51<niclas>I have another question, when i want to install a minimalistic system on a 2 GB USB Stick, debian is with gnome to big with some programms
15:52<niclas>are there any options to make debian smaler ?
15:53<fnmueller>niclas: don't use gnome?
15:54<patrikf>what? I've had a debian system with gnome on a ~ 300 MB live cd.
15:54<niclas>but gnome is the best :D i had made a system with openoffice etc with xfce4 but it used 1,8 GB
15:54<patrikf>don't pull in *all* of gnome, just gnome-core and the apps you need
15:54<niclas>how big is gnome-core ?
15:54<patrikf>you can probably use squashfs, too
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15:54<patrikf>or debian-live will actually use it per default i think
15:55<niclas>ok thanks
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16:10<ComradeHaz>Guys, what's going on with the tex packages?
16:10<ComradeHaz>They've been broken for weeks now! :O
16:10<ComradeHaz>(ON unstable)
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16:23<Mike-NL>I am new to this
16:23<Mike-NL>can some one help me
16:24<ComradeHaz>Depends if you plan to tell us exactly what's wrong.
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16:24<Mike-NL>I am using ircii thru the cli
16:24<Mike-NL>how can I get a list of the users in this channel, now its seems empty
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16:25<ComradeHaz>well, I think you're in totally teh wrong channel for that
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16:26<Mike-NL>ok, then my other question
16:27<Mike-NL>I am logged on thru ssh and chatting thru irc via the terminal. how can I switch to the console to do something else.. compile a program for example
16:27<Mike-NL>and then switch back to irc to view what people have said while I was compiling
16:29<ComradeHaz>I think the program 'screen' is likely to be yuour friend.
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16:31<Mike-NL>ok thanks, googling for it now and reading the page
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16:32<ComradeHaz>obviously aptitude show screen will tell you about it
16:32<ComradeHaz>aptitude install screen will install it
16:33<ComradeHaz>don;t forget to aptitude update first :)
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16:35<Mike-NL>yeah thanks, but I dont wanna close this irc connection, so I am reading in the man page on internet now
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16:39<Mike-NL>thanks comradehaz, Screen seems te program I am looking for
16:39<Mike-NL>going to install it now, brb
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16:42<Mike-NL>it works great
16:42<Mike-NL>this was the program I was looking for, many thanks :D
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16:43<ComradeHaz>you're welcome Mike-NL :)
16:43<ComradeHaz>It's very powerful
16:44<ComradeHaz>very useful for leaving running with something like irssi on
16:44<Mike-NL>Yeah I have noticed.. I googled for an hour and only found solutions like $ Ctrl +z bg and fg
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16:44<Mike-NL>comradehaz, how are you using irc, also thru the terminal or GUI ?
16:45<ComradeHaz>irssi running in screen
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16:45<ComradeHaz>bip connected to that
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16:45<ComradeHaz>kvirc connected to that
16:45<Mike-NL>lol ok, nevermind.. I am not that familair with linux programs yet :P
16:45<ComradeHaz>obviously I can connect via ssh to the irssi session :)
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16:45<ComradeHaz>well, kvirc is a multi-platform client
16:46<ComradeHaz>it's also on windoze
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16:46<ComradeHaz>have a google for bip - it rocks :)
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16:46<ComradeHaz>my irssi session runs on a remote server my friend and I rent
16:47<ComradeHaz>so is always online :)
16:47<Mike-NL>ah ok ok I understand
16:47<ComradeHaz>anyay, this is off-topic ;)
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16:47<ComradeHaz>#debian-offtopic :)
16:47<Mike-NL>just to keep the chat alive, there is no one actively talking now :P
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17:02<jeffrey1790>i am using debian squeeze, and need to make a readonly filesystem. whats the best way to make this work, avoiding corruption on /var when having it rw?
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17:21<Guest456>Sysinfo for 'Microknoppix': Linux running , CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz at 3000 MHz (6002 bogomips), HD: 2/2GB, RAM: 497/502MB, 95 proc's, 34.10min up
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17:24<ComradeHaz>Hi all, can anyone shed any light on what's going on here:
17:24<ComradeHaz>I've had this problem for about a month now
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17:24<ComradeHaz>I think it's that long anyway :)
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17:32<babilen>ComradeHaz: looks like a newer texlive version is migrating into unstable
17:32<henri> acpid geoip-database texlive texlive-base texlive-common
17:32<henri> texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils texlive-fonts-recommended
17:32<henri> texlive-fonts-recommended-doc texlive-generic-recommended
17:32<henri> texlive-latex-base texlive-latex-base-doc texlive-latex-extra
17:32<henri> texlive-latex-extra-doc texlive-latex-recommended
17:32<henri> texlive-latex-recommended-doc texlive-luatex texlive-metapost
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17:43<ComradeHaz>hmm, so just hang tight?
17:48<themill>ComradeHaz: what command generated that output?
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17:49<ComradeHaz>aptitude full-upgrade themill
17:49<ComradeHaz>having just updated, of course
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17:56<lolo___>hi debian users, I have a new headset but the bass are too high, so I want to know how to correct that with an equalizer under debian ? What package should I install ?
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18:00<Nemoder>many music players have equalizers but I don't know if there's any system-wide way to do it
18:00<director>hello for all!
18:00<ComradeHaz>if alsa, als-utils is cl based
18:00<ComradeHaz>if you have kde, kmix
18:01<Nemoder>simple bass/treble can be done in alsa ya
18:01<director>please i need help to my probook 4515s under DEBIAN please!, (sorry my english)
18:01<lolo___>ComradeHaz, kmix is a mixer not an equalizer, can t reducce bass with it
18:01<ComradeHaz>I can.
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18:02<lolo___>Nemoder, the problem is that I use spotify with wine and they dont provide any equalizer for now
18:02<craigevil>not a debian package, but there is alsaequal,
18:02<xorl_>having a weird issue. so i can't create tcp sockets or udp sockets as a user (high port ranges)
18:02<gsimmons>director: What specific help do you require?
18:02<director>the ati driver dont work an the sonud to
18:03<director>i dont know configure it
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18:04<themill>ComradeHaz: looks like a combination of old cruft (kdebase-kio-plugins), java mess (gcj-jre-headless) and the texlive 2009 transition.
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18:04<director>my notebook worked with windows vista, but i removed it and it put debian 5!
18:05<director>alguien entiende castellano?
18:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:06<director>ok, i ll try ! thak a lot
18:06<ComradeHaz>aye, themill, guess I just hang tight :)
18:07<xorl_>I have no lo
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18:08<xorl_>well I do, but localhost is not reachable
18:08<themill>ComradeHaz: the kde thing you can solve now bu removing kdebase-kio-plugins. The Java thing you can investigate further by trying to remove the package and seeing what aptitude complains about or forcing installation of one of the packages. Similarly, forcing texlive2009 might tell you what's wrong. There's a soname bump on libkpathsea as part of texlive2009 that will cause some fun.
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18:08<ComradeHaz>thanks pal )
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18:09<xorl_>Why would (when lo is on auto lo) iface lo inet loopback
18:09<xorl_>would it come up with no ip address?
18:10<themill>ComradeHaz: the soname bump on kpathsea only affects a dozen or so packages and a binNMU/recompile is probably sufficient for most of them, should you want to do that to solve this situation yourself....
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18:10<ComradeHaz>not sure what you mean there, themill...
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18:12<themill>ComradeHaz: find out what packages are stuck in this kpathsea transition (they will depend on libkpathsea4) and "apt-get source -b packagename" for those packages. And hope that's all they need :)
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18:12<ComradeHaz>ok, I'll look in a bit
18:13<ComradeHaz>TF2ing atm :)
18:13<ComradeHaz>thanks alot
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18:25<smiley>Anyone know the name of the package that allows me to play wav files in totem?
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18:29<emilio---007>thomas, take the mplayer
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18:33*AzaToth hates the fact that it takes ages for him to copy 100GB data from an older OSB IDE disk
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18:34*AzaToth also wonders how many tried to message "NOT people" to the user "bots"
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18:36<ml|>shouldn't wav files just play in totem with any extra stuff?
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18:42<smiley>I would think so..
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18:42<smiley>when I try to open a wav file from an email file.. says something about MS GSM decoder
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18:43<sonictwin>my ethernet disappears at boot, during "loading hardware drivers"
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18:44<smiley>sonictwin: which card is it?
18:44<sonictwin>its a broadcom netlink bcm5906m using tg3 module... module is loaded
18:44<sonictwin>/etc/network/interfaces is configured correctly, i think
18:45<smiley>what happens when trying to bring up/down the interface?
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18:45<ml|>smiley: try apt-cache search gstreamer | grep wav ; what i got was: subtitleeditor - Graphical subtitle editor with sound waves representation
18:45<sonictwin>hmm...what is the command? ifdown eth0?
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18:46<ElDiablo>Hello, gives a german Debian Channel ?
18:46<sonictwin>it doesn't show up in the gui nm-applet
18:46<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
18:46<ElDiablo>Ok, vielen dank
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18:47<smiley>ifconfig will show you the status of the adapters
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18:49<ml|>smiley: are you sure that is wav file? tried with another to test?
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18:50<smiley>ml| Positive, was received in an email.. i get my voicemails in my email.. for some reason wont open :\ opens fine in Amarok though
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18:50<ml|>ok, just incase testing can't hurt ;)
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19:04<fredz>how can I find out what time server/s ntp is using ?
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19:05<ac>it is my first time on rhos chat
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19:06<ac>I saw an icon Xchat
19:06<ac>I cliked on and here I am
19:06<dr|z3d>ac: Running Ubuntu?
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19:07<ac>dr|z3d, what do you mean by running ubuntu ?
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19:08<Getty>ac: let me say: welcome :D
19:08<gsimmons>fredz: ntpq -p
19:08<ac>Getty, thanks
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19:09<ac>I am trying a graphical interface icewm
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19:10<ac>it is not easy for a beginner like me but it is easier for my lagguy computer
19:10<fredz>gsimmons: TY, that helped heaps.
19:10<Getty>if you want simple, easy and low power, try blackbox
19:10<Getty>its the most simple windowmanager i know ;)
19:11<amphi>ac: there are lxde and xfce if you want to try a light[-ish] desktop rather than a plain window manager
19:11<ac>Getty, do you think blackbox is as slim as icewm
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19:12*amphi notes that xmonad is using 5MB of RAM at the moment
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19:12<ac>amphi, i tried xfce but it was more than icewm
19:12<ac>more heavy
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19:13<amphi>ac: your constraint is memory or cpu, or both?
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19:14<ac>it is my memory, i have lot of 450 MB but because I have never formated my computer is very slow now
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19:15<ac>when I am running under gnome I find it to slow but with icewm it is good
19:16<ac>but it is a litlle bit difficult
19:16<ac>but interestimg to improve myself
19:16<ac>Sorry for my english which is not very great
19:17<dr|z3d>ac: Xfce is like Gnome, only quicker.
19:18<dr|z3d>Might be worth giving that a go.. good compromise.
19:18<ac>dr|z3d, yes I tried it, it is also cute
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19:21<ac>on which distribution and which windows manager do you work ?
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19:22<dr|z3d>Xfce all the way for me, on various distros.
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19:22<ac>I have a whitout any links other question, when I compile a kernel when I do a make the bzImage is created but when I do a make modules install where the differents created files are put ?
19:23<ac>dr|z3d, ok
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19:26<ac>anyone ?
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19:47<z3r0>Hey people. :)
19:48<sney>nobody here but us chickens
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19:56<graelb>is it possible/easy to convert a ubuntu x86 installation to 64bit?
19:58<craigevil>not without reinstalling
19:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:59<graelb>sorry, xchat put me here instead of into the ubuntu channel, and i didn't realize until the question was out
19:59<graelb>But thanks for the answer none-the-less =)
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20:00<craigevil>one of these days the ubuntu devs will fix that so it goes to the proper place, hopefully anyway
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20:21<ml|>craigevil: keep your fingers crossed ;)
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22:16<kjp2>anyone here have any experience running a reprepro local repo
22:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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22:18<kjp2>My bad.
22:18<kjp2>I'm trying to get reprepro to serve more than one version of a package. Everytime I try to add a second version, it deletes the first and I can't find anything in the man page about allowing multiple versions
22:20<kjp2>So what I'd really like, is someone to point me at a url where I can read a config file that allows reprepro to have two - five versions of the package in the repo
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23:14<fisxoj>I'm using sbackup to try and back up my data, and it keeps backing up folders I've excluded (and running out of space on my external because of it) any ideas how to get it to behave?
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