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---Logopened Fri Dec 25 00:00:18 2009
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00:03<deniz>k sry for late response, ill do Xorg -configure now
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00:04<deniz>Holborn, still
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00:12<Holborn>deniz: close the X system ... sleep time ...
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01:48<Error>i am still getting the same parsing errors
01:48<Error>(EE) Error Parsing config file
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02:19<tome>pleas any one can help ??
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02:20<tome>pleas i have problem any one can help me ?
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02:26<stitchcasey>what problem?
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02:59<K0JIbKA>Hi all!
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03:01<K0JIbKA>does anybody have any idea where to find russian speaking chanel?
03:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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04:00<ml|>when using the alternative system as root; those are system wide (for all users) and each user can still change to suit their needs right?
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04:05<ml|>nvm has being a while since I used it ;)
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04:39<jmut>hi folks. I got one php from package. But somehow want to maintain more versions. Is it possible to have one in package and one complied from source..easily swapping both or is it actually better removeing package and going for total custom solution
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05:07<Woet>How would I be able to kill apache2 when /etc/init.d/apache2 stop and kill -9 and kill -15 are not doing anything?
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05:40<kutio>happy new year :>
05:41<babilen>kutio: you are like 2 months early!
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05:45<dr|z3d>Happy Honecker!
05:45<dr|z3d>happy bar mitzvah!
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05:47<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
05:47*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
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05:47<dr|z3d>!lart locklace
05:47*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples locklace's genitalia to the ground
05:47*dr|z3d wins. Again.
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07:34<Roby>Hey!, anyone here? i could use some help with a mailserver on debian
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07:39<sixtila>now that i tried installing debian 3rd time, i only end up with a grub
07:39<sixtila>debian graphical doesnt load up
07:40<sixtila>the first time it did -
07:40<Roby>have you tried burning another image/
07:40<sixtila>the same cd
07:40<Roby>what version did you download?
07:40<sixtila>i had the lenin
07:40<Roby>the unstabble release?
07:41<sixtila>it is a bit older , was .2 i guess
07:41<Roby>i have just downloaded the netinstall of tge latest stable release, u might be able to try that.
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07:41<sixtila>netinstall? u mean online install?
07:42<sixtila>thats what i m looking for
07:42<sixtila>i m currently on ubuntu
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07:42<sixtila>cause debian failed
07:42<sixtila>so can i install it from here?
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07:42<Roby>you need to download, burn, then install the netinstaller. its the smallest iso availeble i guess.
07:43<babilen>.. or amd64
07:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
07:43<sixtila>i have amd64
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07:44<sixtila>babilen yesterday, i couldnt log into xefc anymore
07:44<sixtila>i had error
07:44<sixtila>then tried reinstalling but only grub loads
07:44<Roby>sorry if your a AMD64 user, try this
07:45<sixtila>roby is using the small size any disadvantage?
07:45<babilen>Yes, It looked that way ... So you reinstalled and ran into problems? I wonder why it did not work like the first time you installed it.
07:45<sixtila>babilen now i m in ubuntu cuase i cant get into debian
07:45<sixtila>only grub loads and i dont know what to do
07:45<babilen>sixtila: No - actually it's better. (smaller iso to download - fresher packages from the beginning)
07:45<sixtila>can i use my flash drive to boot up?
07:45<babilen>sixtila: What is the error grub gives you when you try to boot into Debian?
07:46<sixtila>babilen it is not an error, i just cant see the graphical version
07:46<sixtila>i get into command line mode
07:46<babilen>sixtila: Yes, but that is a little bit more complicated than just booting the netinstall CD
07:46<babilen>sixtila: How to you boot into Ubuntu then?
07:47<sixtila>i then installed ubuntu side by side
07:47<sixtila>so i can switch between ubuntu and debian
07:47<Roby>well the small size is definetly an advantage btw, because u can install the components you need. the live installer download and install the packages you selected for download.
07:48<sixtila>roby thanks i m definitely gonna do that -
07:48<sixtila>for now i ran out of cds to burn
07:48<sixtila>any way i could use my flash drive??
07:48<babilen>that is a pity ...
07:48<babilen>!usb install
07:48<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
07:48<Roby>buy a DVD RW.
07:48<babilen>sixtila: or just use unetbootin and point it to the netinstall iso
07:49<Roby>its kinda usefull.. it will earn itself back as soon as you've used it like 3 times ;)
07:49<babilen>and yes, use RWs ;-)
07:49<sixtila>roby i will later, but cant do it now!
07:49<sixtila>i just want to have a workable dibian for now!
07:49<Roby>no its first cristmas day :|
07:49<Roby>stores are closed
07:49<sixtila>i hope walmart is not!!
07:49<sixtila>oh c'mon!
07:50<babilen>sixtila: install unetbootin, download the netinstall iso Roby pointed out (amd64) and point unetbootin to that iso, or just follow the guide in the installation guide
07:51<sixtila>so for now, i should download unetbootin for Ubuntu??
07:51<babilen>and yes - you have to copy the ISO *file* to the USB stick, *not* the files on that ISO
07:52<babilen>sixtila: I have not yet used unetbootin, but heard from people that it is easy to create bootable USB sticks with it ..
07:52<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows you to create bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply your own Linux <iso> file if you've already downloaded one or your preferred distribution isn't on the list.
07:52<babilen>sixtila: should just be 'aptitude install unetbootin' on Ubuntu
07:53<cahoot>why ubuntu already has a usb creator
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07:53<babilen>sixtila: The instructions in the install manual do not require you to use unetbootin, but might involve a little bit of command line work
07:54<babilen>cahoot: I have *absolutely no idea* about Ubuntu, which tool would you suggest in lieu of unetbootin on Ubuntu?
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07:55<sixtila>i m in unetbootin
07:55<sixtila>which version of debian should i use?
07:55<sixtila>stable netinstall_64?
07:55<cahoot>ubuntus usbcreator - it's (should be) in some menu
07:56<babilen>cahoot: alright, i'll remember that
07:56<sixtila>alright, it is downloading
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07:56<sixtila>i hope things go well
07:56<babilen>sixtila: you can also point it to the ISO you downloaded. But I would expect it to download the latest ISO as well
07:57<babilen>sixtila: You will have to enable booting from USB in your BIOS
07:57<sixtila>alright guys, i m rebooting -
07:57<sixtila>if things dont turn out right
07:58<sixtila>i should be back after an hour or so
07:58<sixtila>thanks for ur help guys
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07:58<babilen>sixtila: good luck
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08:16<sixtila>my unetbootin says no flash drive- format it as FAT32 - but it is already in FAT32
08:16<cahoot>sixtila: you run ubuntu atm?
08:17<cahoot>sixtila: why not use ubuntus usb-creator?
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08:17<sixtila>ya, looks like thats a better idea
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08:29<Melson>I am having some troubles booting the latest stable release after a fresh install. It has been a while since I have messed around with linux. Can anyone help me?
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08:29<Melson>It looks like the kernel isn't loading for some reason.
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08:33<DomeDan>Melson: where does it hang?
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08:34<Melson>It hangs at "[Linux-bzImage, setup=0x3000, size=0x16c950]"
08:34<Melson>I am using GRUB, BTW
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08:35<DomeDan>found something when google it: :P
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08:36<Melson>The line after "root (hd0,0)" says "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" Is this normal even when all of my partitions were formatted as ext3?
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08:37<Melson>Ok, I will check that out. I didn't think of doing a google search for that line.
08:37<sixtila>should the netinstall ask for password while botting from usb??
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08:38<DomeDan>Melson: i dont know, but maybe he says that when its any ext filesystem
08:38<DomeDan>sixtila: no it doesnt :P i have used it lots of times
08:40<sixtila>i will try to create the flahs drive from unetbootin and see what happens, prev. i used ubuntu usb disk creator
08:41<DomeDan>sixtila: ok, i use zcat command and that works great... gonna give you a link to a guide
08:42<sixtila>i tried debain installation before as well, any reason it cant connct to the mirror?
08:42<sixtila>i am hardwired
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08:44<DomeDan>sixtila: i had that problem to, i think the driver didnt work for me... but heres the link:
08:45<sixtila>that looks a whole lot easy!
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08:47<DomeDan>yeah :) good luck now!
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08:53<babilen>DomeDan: that whole process is explained in great detail in the install manual
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08:55<babilen>hope it'll work out this time
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09:47<jesperj>when about to install xchat-otr, apt tells me that the package can not be trusted... why is this?
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09:58<valdyn>judd: versions xchat-otr
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10:06<babilen>valdyn: judd is not in the channel. I asked stew about it, but he is not around ..
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10:22<danger>Merry Christmas Debian users :D
10:24<danger>apt-get christmas humour
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10:24<danger>apt-get christmas spirit
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10:27<ichdasich>:~# apt-get christmas spirit
10:27<ichdasich>E: Invalid operation christmas
10:27<danger>lol! :D
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10:28<danger>Merry Christmas ichdasich
10:32<ichdasich>danger: don't do that sect-stuff anymore.
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10:33<danger>Come on be all christmassy and I'll give you a mince pie
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10:35<mdmarmer>happy holidays
10:36<mdmarmer>i have mepis install (like debian stable) -- i tried to install new kernel
10:36<dpkg>MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian Lenny (as of version 8.0). SimplyMEPIS and antiX are not supported in #debian. #mepis on See also <based on debian>.
10:36<mdmarmer>install has acx111 wireless
10:36<mdmarmer>so i compile acx and load acx firmware
10:37<mdmarmer>but now it locks up whenever i try to boot the new kernel
10:37<mdmarmer>locks up trying to connect -- hard freeze
10:37<mdmarmer>so i want to completely remove the module and use ndiswrapper
10:37<babilen>!tell mdmarmer -about acx
10:37<mdmarmer>what do i do?
10:38<babilen>mepis is *not* supported in here .. but the information dpkg just gave you might help
10:39<mdmarmer>yes -- im frustrated with it -- i might load another distro
10:39<mdmarmer>i have reinstalled the kernel and apt-get remove the acx and it still locks up hard when i boot the new kernel
10:40<mdmarmer>old kernel boots fine
10:40<cahoot>you don't listen?
10:40<mdmarmer>im listening
10:40<babilen>install debian and come back then :-D
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10:41<mdmarmer>as far as im concerned mepis is debian -- u folks can look at it diferently if u want
10:41<mdmarmer>have a nice xmas
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10:41<babilen>mdmarmer: have a nice ecks-mas too!
10:42<mdmarmer>bye for now
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11:00<Linux-Dragon>Merry Christmas To you all!
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11:28<Fohes>Hi all
11:29<Fohes>Can anyone here help me for a sec?
11:29<Fohes>Or is everyone afk?
11:30*Fohes hello?
11:31*Fohes is wondering where everyone is..
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11:51<envyless>can anyone tell me how to enable column output from the "ls" command on the BASH virtual console? ( like msdos "dir/w" )
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11:53<petemc>envyless: it defaults to column format
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11:55<envyless>Hi petemc: i have a one column output at the moment-have tried changing it with "-w, and -x etc" do you know how i can get -say a 3 colmn output: that would be great.
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11:59<contempt>frohe weinacht und hallo
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12:06<sixtila>back again|
12:06<valdyn>envyless: ls does columns by default as your terminal width permits?
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12:07<envyless>it is my terminal then ? Can you get more than 1 column output on a vt100 etc?
12:08<valdyn>envyless: depends in the biggest filename length
12:08<sixtila>babilen u there
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12:08<envyless> i have a couple of very long files in my home directory-thats true:-)
12:10<envyless>Thanks-thats a great help - i think thats what it mught be.
12:10<sixtila>which should i be downloading from
12:10<sixtila>there are 3 files
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12:17<babilen>sixtila: none of them. What are you trying to download?
12:17<envyless>valdyn: yes - thats it can change column values in other directories np ;) tnx m8!
12:17<babilen>but no time right now ... the channel will help ;-)
12:17<sixtila>ok, thanks bro
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12:18<sixtila> is that the right place to get debian for my flash drive
12:18<dr|z3d>get the full iso and burn to flash with unetbootin.
12:18<dr|z3d>right is whatever suits.
12:18<babilen>sixtila: you will need the file within the hd-media directory
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12:19<ml|>came someone please tell me if you have no group set for /etc/ssl/private/ssl-sert-snakeoil.key I'm using etckeeper and keep getting bad group; since here that file does not have a group set, is that normal for that file?
12:20<sixtila>dr|z3d where can i get the full iso, i have a 2 gig flash
12:21<babilen>sixtila: just follow the instructions in the install guide. unetbootin failed for you, remember? (no idea why though)
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12:35<ml|>came someone please tell me if you have no group set for /etc/ssl/private/ssl-sert-snakeoil.key I'm using etckeeper and keep getting bad group; since here that file does not have a group set just shows -rw-r----- 1 root 119, is that normal for that file?
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12:41<User_007>guys i need help. Everytime restart my computer, compiz don't start his "visual efects"
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12:43<User_007>i dont konw if it is Metacity or compiz without efects...
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12:47<Pitxyoki>User_007, ps -e v | grep metacity <- is it there?
12:48<User_007> 2573 pts/0 S+ 0:00 0 105 7190 832 0.0 grep metacity
12:48<kilelme>User_007 : have use compiz when start up
12:48<kilelme>do you have configure windows decoration ?
12:48<ml|>incase someone else has that problem 'make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite' fixes that issue
12:49<kilelme>try compiz --replace
12:49<kilelme>i try this .. it work for me
12:50<User_007>ok, ill try...
12:51<User_007>guy, do you know how to set shortcuts for volume up and volume down on compiz?
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12:53<valdyn>User_007: gnome-keybinding-properties
12:53<fgh>how do i install perl module "Net::SSH::Perl" in the best way under debian?
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12:53<valdyn>fgh: libnet-ssh-perl isnt it?
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12:55<fgh>valdyn: got that installed but the perl program still says its missing
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12:56<User_007>valdyn, this shortcuts works for compiz
12:56<neophyte>try the cpan way, perl -MCPAN -e "install Net::SSH::Perl";
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13:01<valdyn>the "cpan way" in debian is using dh-make-perl
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13:13<rufensis>Can anyone here set me on the right path toward fixing what I think must be my xorg configuration. My problem is that my touchpad works perfectly except for the double tap function on the touchpad. I us squeeze with kernel version 2.6.30-1 on an amd 64 machine.
13:13<fredz>Very lost on this. Deb can't mount my USB HDD but FC12 can. Error "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'FreeAgent Drive'." any pointers would be helpful. I have a very limited knowledge of linux.
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13:15<fredz>I can't seem to work this one out. I can't seem to mount my USB HDD but FC12 can. The error "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'FreeAgent Drive'."
13:15<babilen>rufensis: you have to configure the touchpad through hal now ... have a look at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi, copy it to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and adapt it to your needs
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13:15<cahoot>fredz: what options do you use then?
13:16<babilen>rufensis: If you want to try out the settings you can use synclient... for tapping you would for example to "synclient TapButton1=1"
13:16<babilen>rufensis: man synaptics should help as well
13:16<babilen>rufensis: There are a couple of pages in the wiki. search for XStrikeForce
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13:17<fredz>cahoot, non, I just click it from the desktop to view the files. I didn't configure anything.
13:17<rufensis>babilen: thanks for all these. Is that synclient line you mention a terminal command or something I would put as a line in a config somewhere. I'm still kind of a newbie here, only a year and a half with debian/gnu/linux
13:18<User_007>how to set shortcuts for volume up and volume down on Compiz?
13:18<babilen>rufensis: it's a terminal command. You can try out the settings. You might also want to have a look at the Mouse preferences in Gnome/KDE/XFCE/whatever you use
13:19<babilen>rufensis: that might just do the trick as well. Although you will have to do it for each environment you work in then
13:19<cahoot>fredz: unplug/replug it and check the las 10 lines of dmesg for what sd* it gets
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13:20<babilen>rufensis: after you found the right settings for you, you can then enter them in the fdi file.
13:20<babilen>rufensis: here's the one i use right now:
13:21<babilen>rufensis: but try Gnome's/KDE's settings first (might be easier and all you need)
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13:37<sixtila>few errors
13:37<sixtila>can't update!
13:37<sixtila>W: Failed to fetch
13:37<sixtila> Hash Sum mismatch
13:38<sixtila>now working!
13:38<sixtila>W: Failed to fetch
13:38<sixtila> Hash Sum mismatch
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13:38<sixtila>not working
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13:39<sixtila>the internet is connected, i surfed google
13:39<babilen>sixtila: ah, here you are
13:39<sixtila>W: Failed to fetch
13:39<sixtila> Hash Sum mismatch
13:39<rufensis>babilen: i'm in gnome, and my touchpad does not test at all in its gui diagnostic. I tried that pastebin link you sent and got an "unknown post/id" error on the site.
13:39<babilen>sixtila: 'aptitude update', then 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and post the *complete* output of both
13:40<babilen>rufensis: i'll paste it again, hang on
13:41<sixtila>it says i m not in the sudoers list!
13:41<sixtila>the pass was correct!
13:42<sixtila>did it
13:42<sixtila>this is interesting! it said it will report me
13:42<babilen>sixtila: just log in as root for now, or edit the sudoers file (visudo) so it matches your needs
13:42<sixtila>ya, i logged into root now
13:42<sixtila>hey! wtf!!! it is again removing everything
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13:42<sixtila>just like before
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13:43<babilen>ok ... can you please paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude safe-upgrade' (until you interrupt it)
13:43<sixtila>i was doing safeupgrade
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13:44<babilen>sixtila: have you done anything before that?
13:44<rufensis>babilen: is that your entire fdi file, or is that just the touchpad section? Or is there no difference?
13:44<sixtila>nop, that was what happend yesterday trying to reinstall epiphany as well
13:44<babilen>rufensis: that is the complete /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi file
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13:45<sixtila>man, i logged into root and then it deleted everything
13:45<sixtila>atleast now, i stopped it in the middle
13:45<babilen>sixtila: why did you say yes?
13:45<sixtila>i havent done anything before that
13:45<babilen>sixtila: ok, easy. can you give me the output of 'apt-cache policy' ?
13:45<sixtila>first thing logged in as root
13:45<rufensis>babilen: thanks for that. So, is it the case that these interfaces used to be handled by xorg and now it's hal? What is hal anyway?
13:45<babilen>alright ...
13:46<babilen>!tell rufensis -about xorg hal
13:47<babilen>sixtila: ok, thanks. now please "aptitude show gnome"
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13:48<babilen>and 'aptitude show gnome-about'
13:49<babilen>thanks - the problem is that these packages are marked as automatically installed and nothing depends on them. (the gnome package which is not installed (why?)) does that usually
13:49<babilen>you said that you want to remove epiphany, don't you?
13:49<babilen>is there anything else from the list of packages that you want to remove?
13:49<sixtila>i wanna use iceweasel
13:50<sixtila>Error stating file '/usr/share/applications/nautilus-computer.desktop': No such file or directory
13:50<sixtila>another error now, i cant launch myComputer
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13:51<babilen>the point is, that we have two options now. You can either install the 'gnome' metapackage and have a package installed that depends on everyhting that is going to be removed, or we can mark the packages that you want to keep as not automatically installed
13:51<babilen>sixtila: yes, you removed nautilus, that is expected.
13:51<sixtila>whatever works good, i would nto mind having epiphany also
13:51<sixtila>this looks so intertwined!
13:52<babilen>it might be the easiest solution to install the gnome package.
13:52<sixtila>sudo apt-get install gnome?
13:52<fredz>cahoot: sorry for the delay, had to take wifey to work. sd = sdb: sdb1
13:52<babilen>i honestly have no idea why this happens right after the install without changing anything
13:52<babilen>sudo aptitude install gnome
13:52<sixtila>i though debian was the most stable!
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13:52<babilen>did you use apt-get before?
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13:53<babilen>alright ... sorry, really no idea why this happens.
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13:53<sixtila>babilen doesnt look good to me
13:54<sixtila>the result of aptitude install gnome
13:54<sixtila>is that ok?
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13:55<babilen>that's not the complete output. But i would say it is OK to remove these packages now. Can you give me the complete output, so I can verify that it is indeed doing the right thing?
13:55<rufensis>babilen: I followed your first tip, to cp that fdi in /usr/share/hal to /usr/hal . . . and then I tested with synclient and now I can tap on the pad and it works. If I shut down and restart will this go away, or did that copy make changes that will stick?
13:55<i>hi room
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13:55<babilen>rufensis: the settings with synclient will go away. The ones in the fdi file will stay
13:55<babilen>i: do you have a question?
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13:56<rufensis>babilen: I'll restart and see if it works still. Back in a sec.
13:56<babilen>sixtila: That will install a bunch of stuff you probably never need (like abiword) ... do you mind if we tweak that a little?
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13:57<sixtila>u can, i never use abi word
13:57<babilen>sixtila: that might entail a lot of pasting though ;-)
13:57<sixtila>nor i think epiphany
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13:57<cahoot>fredz: so you can try to manually mount /dev/sdb1 on e g /media/usbdrive (as root mkdir /media/usbdrive first)
13:57<sixtila>so i will do N to that gnome install then
13:58<cahoot>fredz: i e mkdir /media/usbdrive && mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive -t auto - any errors?
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13:58<sixtila>babilen can we do like remove everyting except for the things that i will only use,and basic functions for working!
13:58<babilen>sixtila: ok ... i'll be back in a second. The way to go now, is to install 'gnome-core' .. check the list of packages that will be removed and add all packages that you would like to keep to the list. Do not add libraries, but rather something like 'gnome-media' or
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13:59<babilen>totem. You can also run 'aptitude unmarkauto <list of packages to keep>'
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14:00<sixtila>result of gnome-core
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14:00<babilen>sixtila: another idea would be to get out of X, let aptitude remove all that Gnome stuff and then install whatever you need
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14:00<babilen>sixtila: but i think it is easier to just mark the packages you want to keep
14:01<sixtila>i hope i can still use xchat?
14:01<sixtila>then i can later ask for help for which packages i will need to do certain things
14:02<babilen>!install gnome
14:02<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
14:02<babilen>give me a second .. i'll be back soon, OK?
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14:03<babilen>if you want to start working, just 'aptitude unmarkauto gnome-power-manager ... ' for the packages that you want to keep. Try one at a time, and check the result. Try to unmarkauto packages that are high in the dependency tree ... so eg: gnome-media instead of totem and so on ...
14:03<mom>hi i have a screen session running on another computer and when i go into it via ssh it works, what if i am on the actual computer? how do i see it? scrren -r doesnt work
14:04<mom>or do i have to do a ssh
14:05<bzed>is it still attached when you login there?
14:05<bzed>if so, use screen -dr
14:05<babilen>sixtila: but you can also just install gnome-core now and let aptitude remove all these packages. That will give you a basic gnome system. And you can easily install anything you need later
14:05<babilen>sixtila: be back in a second
14:05<bzed>mom: or evenr better screen -Dr to ensure your ssh session is disconnected
14:05<mom>mmm tried to do a ssh and that froze everything . . .
14:05<mom>ok :)
14:05<bzed>a ssh localhost should not freeze anything
14:06<bzed>if it needs a loooong time your dns settings are broken
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14:07<fredz>cahoot: no errors as such, just permission error when it went to open. When I first plug the USB drive it says it can't mount it, but it appears in the file browser list and not on the desktop.
14:07<mom>Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/3' - please check.
14:08<sixtila>W: Failed to fetch
14:08<sixtila> Hash Sum mismatch
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14:09<rufensis>babilen: I restarted my computer and the touchpad functionality I got with synclient is gone again. Any idea what I need to do to my fdi file to get the function to stay?
14:09<mom>pts/1 is screen pts/2 is the detached app
14:10<mom>unless i have to be root or something
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14:10<sixtila>how do i know if my debian is in sda1 or sda3 ?
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14:13<wotsolatsod731>anybody in this room
14:14<sixtila>in this room there are fewer experts right now!
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14:14<mom>let me grab my laptop to see if i ssh in if i can see it . . . i think i can
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14:15<wotsolatsod731>Is anyone here good wine the wine emulator?
14:15<kilelme>what for wine??
14:16<babilen>rufensis: no idea ... is this debian stable or testing?
14:16<babilen>sixtila: back ... did you keep on working with the remove/unmarkauto?
14:16<kilelme>try use crossover
14:16<wotsolatsod731>I keep trying to open a windows disc, but I get access denied
14:16<sixtila>i did install gnome-core
14:16<sixtila>all looks good
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14:16<TIBS01>ello ppl
14:16<babilen>sixtila: ok, anything you miss?
14:17<sixtila>not that i see
14:17<sixtila>i wanna be able to open my ntfs disk though
14:17<sixtila>it has all my data
14:17<wotsolatsod731>sorry I men't good with the wine
14:17<babilen>sixtila: alright, later, ok?
14:17<TIBS01>on bootup the kernel is booting with a crc error how do i fix it it wont even go into single user mode
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14:17<sixtila>thanks so much for your help babilen!
14:17<Keelzone>Hey anyone in here? :)
14:17<babilen>sixtila: can you run 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' now and post the result?
14:17<babilen>Keelzone: nobody is here
14:18<Keelzone>Any one wanna chat
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14:18<babilen>Keelzone: this is a Debian support channel
14:18<Keelzone>What's that mean
14:18<sixtila>failed to upgrade again the same
14:18<cahoot>Keelzone: troll?
14:18<Keelzone>What's a troll
14:19<kilelme>why not use new kernel on lenny backport?
14:19<babilen>Keelzone: That this channel is not for chatting, but for the support of Debian users with specific problems. Do you have a Debian related question?
14:19<wotsolatsod731>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
14:19<wotsolatsod731>E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
14:19<Keelzone>Ohh I'm so so so so sorry :(((
14:19<babilen>sixtila: you ran 'aptitude update' before that?
14:20<TIBS01>on bootup the kernel is booting with a crc error how do i fix it it wont even go into single user mode
14:20<babilen>upgrade != update (DATE!!)
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14:21<babilen>'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade'
14:21<sixtila>lol my bad
14:21<TIBS01>on bootup the kernel is booting with a crc error how do i fix it it wont even go into single user mode
14:21<rufensis>babilen: testing, unfortunately.
14:21<Keelzone>!help me!
14:21<glok>hello, it's some time i installed lenny but i just realized i got no sound. I remember this already happened to me once, there was something muted somewhere, anyone could help me please?
14:22<babilen>rufensis: I have some minor hiccups with my touchpad right now (the settings are gone after suspend - there is a bug report in the BTS for xserver-xorg-input-synaptics IIRC)
14:23<babilen>sixtila: ok, try the safe-upgrade again (and please just copy and paste the commands i give you)
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14:23<babilen>sixtila: hang on
14:24<rufensis>babilen: thanks for the help and the links. I'll work on this. Christmas dinner time, now. Happy holiday!
14:24<kilelme>babilen : is sixtila want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
14:24<babilen>kilelme: no
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14:24<babilen>rufensis: merry christmas
14:24<TIBS01>on bootup the kernel is booting with a crc error how do i fix it it wont even go into single user mode
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14:25<babilen>sixtila: ok, could you remove the CDs from /etc/apt/sources.list
14:25<babilen>sixtila: or rather the DVDs
14:25<sixtila>i still have the dvd in there
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14:25<babilen>shouldn't make a difference
14:26*babilen wonders what is going on here ... I'll have to investigate that
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14:27<User_007>Guys, compiz replace don't replace metacity as default window manager.
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14:29<babilen>User_007: you might have more luck in #compiz@freenode
14:30<User_007>I don't know what's happening, but when i put compiz --replace on shell, it stops here:
14:30<kilelme>to change replace metacity open compiz setting manager look windows decoratorion and change windows to metacity
14:30<kilelme>metacity must start after compiz start
14:30<kilelme>when i use emerald first i try compiz --replace after that i open new terminal and i type emerald -- replace
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14:31<User_007>compiz work, but i have to start it everytime i reboot or restart X...
14:32<babilen>sixtila: I have no idea what is happening right now. Might be an inconsistent state on the mirror. Do you want to ignore that, or would you like to investigate the issue?
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14:32<babilen>User_007: Just autostart it, or do whatever it takes to have it run permanently? (have a look at /usr/share/doc/compiz for example)
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14:33<sixtila>babilen i gotta go now for eating!
14:33<sixtila>babilen u have a merriest christmas man!
14:33<babilen>sixtila: ok, could you 'ls/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dist_*' please?
14:33<babilen>sixtila: alright ... enjoy your dinner
14:33<kilelme>compiz has start .. have setting xorg.conf
14:34<sixtila>babilen sixtila-laptop:/home/sixtila# ls/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dist_*
14:34<sixtila>bash: ls/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dist_*: No such file or directory
14:35<sixtila>babilen r u gonna be hanging around after 2 hrs still?
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14:36<babilen>sixtila: we will see ... and it is 'ls /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dist_*' ;-)
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14:37<sixtila>gdbye everyone! merry Christmas to all - hopefully see you later toning in DEBIAN if it boots up well lol
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15:24<uldics>Anyone can help me with Gnome mounting all drives good, but an ntfs drive without rights to write, though the folder it gets mounted in has permissions for my user for creation and deleting of files??
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15:28<DomeDan>its the mount options that decides if you got rights to write to it
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15:30<uldics>ok, so, where and how they should look? gconfeditor shows not much about. some ntfs and ntfs-3g there is, ntfs has umask=222 and fstype override=ntfs-3g
15:31<DomeDan>im not so familure to gconf-editor, i would have configureate /etc/fstab, i can help you with that
15:32<richardh>Get windows keys for 5eur only :)
15:32<richardh>Get windows keys for 5eur only :)
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15:33<uldics>I had the ntfs drive permanently mounted before through /etc/fstab : /dev/sda1 /mnt/zvers ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,uid=1000 00 Then it worked , was writable, but I just wanted a root pasword for mounting it, so I removed it from fstab
15:34<uldics>Now I have it mountable in gnome, asks nicely for root pasword, mounts. Shows as writable, but when i try creating some file or deleting, i get that i have no rights
15:35<DomeDan>ok, then maybe you can change the umask you were talking about to: 022
15:35<uldics>Ok, what is 222 and what is 022?
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15:36<DomeDan>222 is that it makes everything to chmod 555, and 022 makes it 755 :) im not quite sure about it...
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15:38<uldics>I have no idea, what those means, can you say in short, what is 555 and 755?
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15:39<DomeDan>ok, 555 is that everyone can read and execute (so dont use 555 :P i understod now)
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15:40<uldics>Now my /etc/mtab shows it like this: /dev/sda1 /media/Zvers ntfs rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077 0 0
15:40<DomeDan>755 is that the owner got full right (read, write, execute) and the group and everyone else got read and execute
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15:40<DomeDan>so i guess you want 766, that is: owner got full, and the rest got read and write
15:41<DomeDan>change dmask to 0011... i think
15:41<bremner>any gotchas I should know about adding /usr/local/lib to /etc/ ?
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15:42<bremner>oops. it is already there I guess.
15:43<cahoot>uldics: if you want to be able to write to ntfs you need ntfs-3g
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15:43<cahoot>uldics: /msg dpkg ntfsrw - read
15:43<DomeDan>oh, your right!
15:44<uldics>Yes, so you mean it is mounted by plain ntfs, but i need it to be mounted by ntfs-3g. Where in the Gnome thingy can i change that?
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15:44<cahoot> gconf-editor->system>storage...
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15:45<User_007>what is the command that do "Volume up" on Compiz?
15:45<User_007>or Gnome
15:45<User_007>I can set a shortcut for volume up and volume down
15:46<User_007>but what command it uses to up or down volume?
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15:51<beginningiscomming>merry Christmas every one
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16:02<uldics>022 does not help, at least in system/storage/default_options/ntfs
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16:04<mdg>Hello! I took the harddrive out a computer and got linux installed on it, but messed up the grub because I was using a USB enclosure. This PC cannot boot from CD-rom and all I have is debian net install floppies - any way I can get to grub to fix it from here?
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16:05<Roby>hello, can anyone help me set a static ip for debian? i tryed editing /etc/network/interfaces but that didnt work for me. and yes i did try /etc/init.d/networking restart.
16:05<smiley>static ip , you have the right file
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16:05<smiley>just make sure you have the right interface, and paraments
16:06<Roby>well i dont understand the guides i followed
16:06<smiley>auto eth0
16:06<Roby>i know
16:06<smiley>iface eth0 inet static
16:06<Roby>then iface eth0 inet static
16:06<smiley>address yadda yadda
16:06<smiley>gateway yadda
16:06<smiley>save that file
16:06<Roby>thats all?
16:06<smiley>ifdown eth0
16:06<Roby>lets try ;)
16:06<smiley>ifup eth0
16:06<TIBS01>on bootup the kernel is booting with a crc error how do i fix it it wont even go into single user mode
16:06<Roby>huh.. whats what?
16:06<Roby>whats ifown eth0 and ifup eth0?
16:07<smiley>ifdown bring the itnerface down.. ifup brings it back up..with your new static ip
16:07<smiley>ifconfig shows its status
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16:07<Roby>aah okay cool :P
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16:07<mdg>what's the best mirror to use to install debian - I can't seem to connect with
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16:09<mdg>what's the best mirror to use to install debian - I can't seem to connect with
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16:09<mdg>BTW its a floppy install
16:09<Roby>wauw that worked smiley. thanks alot!
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16:10<mdg>can I fix grub from busybox?
16:10<DomeDan>mdg: se is the best! :) no im just kidding,shouldnt they all be the same? :P
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16:10<smiley>Roby: No PRoblem
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16:11<felidio>someone know about linux on lombard ppc g3
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16:12<DomeDan>mdg: depends on what's wrong.. but i guess its hard
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16:13<mdg>DomeDan: wanna hear the sad story?
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16:13<DomeDan>mdg: i'd love to :P
16:13<User_007>What is the command to raise the volume on pulseaudio?
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16:14<DomeDan>felidio: have you tried a debian installation cd for powerpc arcitekture?
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16:15<mdg>Old P3 with bad install of lenny - I wanted to install something else, but CD-ROM drive won't boot - ruled out using it. Took hard drive out and put in USB case and installed linux, but messed up grub. Now I can't get to boot and all I have are debian floppy install disks - now sitting at busybox.... ;)
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16:15<felidio>DomeDan; yes, but i have some seriusly freeze problems
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16:17<mdg>DomeDan: the good news is (keeping fingers crossed) I fixed grup on my main machine and didn't lose anything
16:17<DomeDan>mdg: have you tried to install from usb or what did you mean?
16:17<smiley>mdg: boot off usb?
16:17<nicone>happy holidays !
16:17<mdg>DomeDan: P3 wont' boot USB
16:17<felidio>DomeDan; google research say that the ppc have some hardware problems whne cpu is runnig fast for a cople of minutes
16:17<DomeDan>mdg: ok :P whats the grub error?
16:18<mdg>DomeDan: I don't even get to grub ...
16:18<DomeDan>felidio: ok :/ is it at installation the system hangs?
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16:18<mdg>DomeDan: maybe I should check bios settings one more time...
16:18<mdg>DomeDan: be back ....
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16:18<DomeDan>mdg: oh. yeah
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16:19<User_007>please, can anyone help? What is the command to raise pulseaudio volume on command line?
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16:20<felidio>DomeDan: yes the install cant finish
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16:22<DomeDan>felidio: ok, my system hangs when its trying to create filsystem i think :/ on a older powerpc, but i dont got a original mac-harddive... well, this info didnt help you much anyway xD
16:22<babilen>User_007: not using PA, but maybe alsamixer does the trick
16:23<babilen>User_007: or ask in #pulseaudio@freenode
16:23<User_007>i know the alsa command, but it just not works well
16:25<DomeDan>babilen: i dont have grub-mkpasswd-pbkdf2 but can i create a password with mkpasswd (and some options)
16:25<babilen>User_007: have a look at pacmd (if that is the PA client) have a look at the PA package contents (dpkg -L)
16:25<DomeDan>babilen: or how do i get grub-mkpasswd? :P
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16:26<babilen>DomeDan: don't know. That was the best information I could provide. You know more about it than i do now i guess :-D
16:27<DomeDan>babilen: haha :P yeah maybe. but i got an other question. when i do "aptitude search grub" i got "i A grub-common" what does that A mean?
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16:29<sixtila>babilen u still around?
16:29<babilen>DomeDan: it means that the package was installed as a dependency of another package (*A*utomatically) if you want to know why, ask aptitude (aptitude why grub-common)
16:29<babilen>sixtila: just came back
16:30<sixtila>mee to
16:30<sixtila>so do u want me to reinstall debian?
16:30<sixtila>u said that my package could be broken
16:30<babilen>sixtila: wtf? no, certainly not
16:31<DomeDan>babilen: ok thanks :) thought that it wasnt proper installed, because i miss grub-mkpasswd
16:31<babilen>sixtila: you had more install than a sane person can handle already
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16:31<sixtila>i know! i m goin crazy! 4 debian and 5 ubuntu installs!!
16:32<sixtila>in a row(except for yesterday's good sleep)
16:32<User_007>there are some debian-specific command or gnome-specific command to raise volume ?
16:32<sixtila>babilen i have a feeling i still have the ubuntu although debian doesn't let it boot up - can u help me configure so that I can choose between startup?
16:32<babilen>sixtila: the point is, that the checksum of the package (linux-image-yadda-yadda) you download does not match the one advertised by the mirror. That could be the mirrors fault. Try 'aptitude update' again and see if you still get that error
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16:34<babilen>sixtila: you can't boot ubuntu after the debian install?
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16:34<sixtila>nop cause i had installed debian grub over master boot during setup
16:34<sixtila>cause i didnt know what else to do
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16:35<babilen>sixtila: it should have recognised ubuntu and added that to the start menu as well
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16:35<sixtila>should have, maybe i did smthg wrong before hand
16:35<sixtila>but i can still see that partition here
16:35<babilen>sixtila: please remove the DVD entries from /etc/apt/sources.list (they are no longer necessary)
16:35<sixtila>i m guessing ubuntu is still round the corner
16:36<sixtila>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
16:36<sixtila>sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
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16:37<babilen>sixtila: sudo <editor of your choice> /etc/apt/sources.list
16:38<sixtila>so i remove the lines 1 2 3 4
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16:38<sixtila>including the #
16:38<babilen>sixtila: yes
16:38<sixtila>alright done , thanks
16:39<sixtila>now should i try update again?
16:39<babilen>you can also add 'contrib non-free' in the end of l. 6 and 7 .. and non-free in the end of line 9,10,12,13
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16:39<babilen>That will give you access to non-free software (like the firmware we will have to install later)
16:39<babilen>then 'aptitude update'
16:40<babilen>ah, short thing ... could you do 'lspci -nn' and paste the output?
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16:42*babilen laughs ...
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16:43<babilen>that were *two* commands ... aptitude update (don't post the output) and 'lspci -nn'
16:44<sixtila>babile this looks good ?
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16:45<babilen>sixtila: remove the first line (the one that contains just contrib + non-free)
16:45<sixtila>now i m running update
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16:46<sixtila> babilen
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16:48<babilen>i won't need the output of update anymore from now on
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16:48<babilen>safe-upgrade -> still the same error?
16:48<sixtila>lemme try
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16:49<babilen>and paste 'lspci -nn' please
16:49<sixtila>E: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
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16:50<babilen>weird, must be the mirror
16:50<sixtila>hey i still have the flash drive eventhough wallmart is closed for cds
16:51<sixtila>u want me to do again?
16:51<babilen>judd: pciid 168c:002a
16:51<babilen>ah ... judd still missing
16:51<sixtila>i wanna go for it if it solves the problems
16:51<babilen>sixtila: I could not parse the wallmart sentence
16:51<babilen>you don't have to reinstall
16:51<babilen>it's all fine
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16:52<sixtila>thanks! i mean i dnt have blank cds to burn
16:52<sixtila>just the flash drive!
16:53<babilen>no problem ... you'll need a newer kernel for your wireless card anyway
16:53<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
16:53*sixtila wishes if he knew just a little of what babilen knows!
16:53<babilen>sixtila: in time
16:53<babilen>could you add 'deb colby lenny-backports main contrib non-free
16:53<babilen>forget that
16:54<babilen>could you add 'deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free' to your sources.list
16:54<babilen>and then follow the instructions in the 'bpo' factoid
16:55<babilen>colby: sorry
16:55<sixtila>babilen the list
16:56<sixtila>looks good?
16:56<babilen>now 'aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update' (one command)
16:56<babilen>or each of them seperately
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16:57<sixtila>error, should i follow the last lines?
16:58<babilen>just run 'aptitude install debian-backports-keyring' now followed by 'aptitude update'
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16:59<sixtila>y/n Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
16:59<sixtila>You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
16:59<sixtila>this is what you want to do.
16:59<babilen>the backport mirror has a GPG key that is yet unknown to you, so you have to install it. You'll get a warning about untrusted packages now -> yes
16:59<babilen>too slow
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16:59<sixtila>alrighty, done
17:00<sixtila>now aptitude update?
17:01<sixtila>doesnt looks like it gave any error this time
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17:01<sixtila>Fetched 189B in 1s (186B/s)
17:02<babilen>ok, you install a new kernel from backports now ... 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64'
17:02<sixtila>omg! sounds interesting
17:03<sixtila>hmm its happening!
17:03<sixtila>E: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
17:03<sixtila>what is this HASH SUM MISMATCH all the time!
17:04<sixtila>should i md5sum ?
17:04<babilen>that is weird ..
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17:06<babilen>sixtila: could you try 'sudo aptitude update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True'
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17:08<User_007>guys, when i use gnome shortcuts to raise and lower the volume. What is the command that it does when i press a shortcut to raise volume?
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17:12<babilen>sixtila: what about 'sudo aptitude update -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=true' ? (no output needed, just check if you can install the kernel from backports)
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17:12<sixtila>op is kinda like the previous
17:12<sixtila>reading packages list .... done
17:13<sixtila>what should i be looking for?
17:13<sixtila>Hit lenny-backports/main Packages
17:13<sixtila>Hit lenny-backports/contrib Packages
17:14<babilen>that's all fine, just try: 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64' again
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17:15<sixtila>one backport success other Failed
17:15<sixtila> Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
17:16<babilen>that's weird. Could you paste the complete output please.
17:17<babilen>let's try one more thing ...
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17:19<babilen>are you in your HOME directory ~ now?
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17:19<babilen>btw, do you use any kind of proxy?
17:19<sixtila>now home
17:20<sixtila>i dont think so
17:20<sixtila>i connect directly from my uni
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17:20<babilen>no no, /home/sixtila is fine (just 'cd' and you are there)
17:20<babilen>and you do not use a proxy from the university?
17:20<sixtila>i dont know exactly, but i think not
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17:21<sixtila>can i check?
17:21<sixtila>i mean how can i check?
17:21<babilen>if you have not configured that - i guess not
17:21<sixtila>ya, i just put the wire and it goes on without any configuration
17:23<sixtila>babilen one problem has been solved though
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17:23<cesurasean>I upgraded to squeeze, finding about 3-5 errors during install, so I will try and tackle these one at a time. First one is netatalk. - nbp_rgstr: Address already in use
17:23<sixtila>update manager worked!
17:23<cesurasean>Netatalk refuses to start, even when uninstalling and reinstalling it, etc...
17:23<cesurasean>sorry for the double posts, guys. i posted into the wrong room.
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17:24<sixtila> Unable to find expected entry and/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
17:24<babilen>anyway - 'cd' 'mkdir tmp' 'cd tmp' 'sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* .' 'sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial' 'sudo chmod 755 /var/lib/apt/lists/partial' 'sudo chown root:root /var/lib/apt/lists/partial'
17:25<babilen>sixtila: you get that error?
17:25<sixtila>ya, during update check
17:26<babilen>sixtila: paste the complete output .. there has to be something wrong with the mirrors
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17:27<babilen>sixtila: wait with the commands i gave you ..
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17:29<babilen>sixtila: could you paste the complete output please?
17:29<sixtila>it is a screenshot
17:29<sixtila>it like a small window
17:29<babilen>the one that contains the 'malformed Release file'
17:30<sixtila>the one from the update
17:30<sixtila>did u got the request for the image? i am sending it to u
17:31<cesurasean>am I the only one who has had problems with netatalk installing?
17:31<babilen>sixtila: why don't you paste it like before?
17:31<sixtila>i will try what i can
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17:31<babilen>'aptitude update' -> error -> paste
17:31<babilen>or am i missing something?
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17:32<sixtila>aptitude update just gives a list of the web addresses, do u need the op?
17:33<sixtila>just readin packages done
17:33<babilen>what gives the 'malformed Release file' error then?
17:33<sixtila>the update manager / graphical
17:33<babilen>ok, forget that for now ...
17:33<sixtila>that was the screen shot
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17:35<babilen>anyway - 'cd' 'mkdir tmp' 'cd tmp' 'sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* .' 'sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial' 'sudo chmod 755 /var/lib/apt/lists/partial' 'sudo chown root:root /var/lib/apt/lists/partial'
17:35<sixtila>i think i did that
17:36<babilen>could you enter these commands
17:36<sixtila>if it is the same as before
17:36<babilen>ah, you did that already?
17:36<babilen>yes, it is the same as before
17:36<sixtila>did it
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17:36<babilen>could you paste the output of 'ls /var/lib/apt/lists/'
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17:37<babilen>no wonder you get the malformed release file error
17:37<babilen>no, that was before these commands
17:38<sixtila>i will try again then
17:38<babilen>does 'ls' in the directory you are in has the same effect?
17:38<babilen>no no - 'that was before these commands' --> malformed error
17:38<sixtila>oh ok
17:38<babilen>same effect == same files?
17:39<sixtila>i couldnt figure out what u wanted me to check
17:40<sixtila>what actually is wrong with my debian? is the the corrupt install file?
17:40<babilen>you are in the ~/tmp directory .. i just want to make sure you copied all the original files, so you should run 'ls' and compare the output with the one from /var/lib ...
17:40<babilen>what is this? you really shouldn't have to deal with this .. no idea what's going on
17:41<olpcfan>Hi all. I'm trying to get my Pixma MP150 to work fo the first time in xsane. It was saying "failed to open device" but now it doesn't even see the device, even as root. Any ideas?
17:41<sixtila>babilen i think i better try reinstalling it
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17:42<babilen>sixtila: alright ...
17:42<sixtila>plase link me to a a good file
17:42<sixtila>maybe an uncorrupted netisnt
17:42<babilen>ah good iso you mean?
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17:43<sixtila>is there a way to check that it is fine?
17:43<babilen>yes, exactly: 96e03d030788baadb57fb5a619555868 debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso
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17:44<sixtila>so u mean the hash from the iso matched?
17:44<sixtila>in ur case
17:44<babilen>let me try ...
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17:48<sixtila>96e03d030788baadb57fb5a619555868 that was my hash-couldnt find online where to match it
17:48<sixtila>urs and mine look same
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17:49<babilen>should be the correct iso then ... you couldn't boot from that, right?
17:49<sixtila>i dun no
17:49<sixtila>i had another iso maybe
17:49<sixtila>maybe i couldn't setup my flahs drive wwll
17:49<sixtila>is it zcat? or smthg?
17:50<babilen>you have no blanks left?
17:50<babilen>!usb install
17:50<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
17:50<sixtila>that was the wallmart thing! no blanks!
17:50<babilen>but ry one more thing: 'sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*' and then 'aptitude update'
17:51<sixtila>rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/apt/lists/partial': Is a directory
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17:52<babilen>thats ok
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17:54<babilen>what does 'sudo aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64; give you now? (after the update)
17:55<sixtila>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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17:55<babilen>complete output ;-)
17:55<babilen>could you paste 'apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64' too
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17:56<Pitxyoki>I just discovered ssh -Y
17:56<Pitxyoki>I feel like I was 6 again.
17:57<babilen>sixtila: you ran 'aptitude update' ?
17:57<babilen>paste the output ..
17:57<babilen>oh dear ...
17:57<sixtila>this time update look a longer time
17:58<babilen>ok, now try the install again
17:58<sixtila>looks like it did install smthg
17:58<sixtila>install working
17:58<babilen>no, it just fetched the file you just deleted (hope they are the correct and recent versions now)
17:59<sixtila>looks like it is finally going smooth!
17:59<babilen>it installs the new kernel?
17:59<sixtila>maybe, how do i see
17:59<sixtila>looks succesful to me
18:00<babilen>oh dear ...
18:00<sixtila>i m sorry :-(
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18:00<babilen>it's not your fault .. i just wonder what corrupted the system so badly during the install
18:00<babilen>ok, could you reboot into the new kernel now?
18:00<sixtila>but it looks like we are done!
18:00<sixtila>umm.. so i restart then??
18:01<sixtila>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64
18:01<sixtila>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64
18:01<sixtila>Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
18:01<babilen>I would suggest, you head over to after you booted the kernel and get the WLAN (ath9k) and Ubuntu boot going ...
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18:02<babilen>finally ...
18:02<sixtila>alright, i will do what i can! .....
18:02<babilen>that really took some time
18:02<sixtila>Finally looks like a merry Christmas
18:02<sixtila>it didnt snow though
18:02<sixtila>just rained !!
18:02<babilen>yepp, here as well
18:02<sixtila>where r u btw
18:02<sixtila>u in europe? or us?
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18:03<tux>is there any backtrack support here i'm in a pickle ;)
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18:10<tux>well it seems my wireless adaptor is malfunctioning (iwl3945); it used to work fine with wicd, monitor mode and injection; but after installing the gnome user interface nothing worked finally i reisnalled from the live-cd but i cant get it to function properly it wont detect wireless in wicd and when using kismet in monitor mode it scans for 5seconds and then stops recieving beacons. Is it possible installing gnome made some permanent changes t
18:10<tux>o the wlan0 interface (or maby using kismet did it, i saw some warning concerning root usage). I have to say i have done allot of research and have come up empty handed :s, any ideas at all are welcome
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18:11<cahoot>tux: backtrack? not for #debian then
18:11<cesurasean>ok, my system is telling me to purge something, but when I do, nothing happens?
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18:11<tux>well it is debian based? no?
18:12<tux>i dont meen to offend
18:12<cesurasean>having trouble configuring dpkg reconfigure sysv-rc, doesn't seem to work
18:12<cahoot>tux: still not for #debian
18:12<tux>cahoot, do you know of a bt channel?
18:13<cahoot>sorry no
18:13<cahoot>try some general linux channel
18:14<tux>and you could not help me in any way, it seems networking problems like this are not limited to any one OS
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18:14<tux>can kismet change config files for example?
18:15<babilen>!tell sixtila -about grounding
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18:17<tux>fine fine i get the point i will leave you all to discuss nothing then, a nice day to all
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18:20<DarkPurpose>networking problems are discussed here all the time
18:20<sixtila>babilen with new kernel, the wireless worked
18:20<babilen>sixtila: yay!
18:21<sixtila>lemme see updates
18:21<sixtila> Unable to find expected entry and/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
18:21<sixtila>this is from update manager
18:21<babilen>sixtila: is that the graphical package manager?
18:22<babilen>just delete that ...
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18:22<sixtila>where was it?
18:22<babilen>sixtila: it's update-manager-gnome (you don't get that error with aptitude do you?)
18:23<sixtila>it is update manager gnome
18:23<babilen>sixtila: 'aptitude remove'
18:23<babilen>sixtila: 'aptitude remove update-manager-gnome'
18:23<babilen>or actually, just purge it
18:23<tux>DarkPurpose, is there any way to see why wlan0 is failing when doing 'dhclient wlan0' all seem fine and is show correctly in ifconfig
18:23<babilen>purge == remove configuration files as well
18:23<sixtila>babile so aptitude purge update-manager-gnome
18:24<sixtila>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "update-manager-gnome"
18:25<sixtila>babile another very very imp thing! i need acces to my other drive - its ntfs
18:25<babilen>sixtila: aptitude search '~i~nupdate-manager' should tell you the right file
18:25<sixtila>i cant format it
18:25<sixtila>how do i mount my ntfs
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18:25<babilen>you need write access or just read access?
18:26<sixtila>both, thats where all my backup is
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18:26<babilen>alright ...
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18:26<dpkg>from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through for Etch (ask me about <bpo etch> for instructions). Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
18:27<babilen>!user accessible ntfs
18:27<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
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18:28<babilen>sixtila: I have no experience with ntfs, just install ntfs-3g and read the doc in /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g
18:28<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
18:28<babilen>that would be read-only
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18:29<sixtila>babilen can i uninstall the prev kernel now? or is it unnecessary
18:30<babilen>sixtila: you can uninstall that kernel now
18:30<babilen>or keep it for emergencies ;-)
18:30<babilen>I would just deinstall it
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18:36<sixtila> ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt
18:36<sixtila>and my d drive disappears
18:38<babilen>you should make a directory within /mnt and mount /dev/sdb1 on that
18:38<babilen>something like /mnt/windows or /mnt/backup
18:38<babilen>don't forget to umount /mnt first ...
18:38<babilen>'mount' will list all currently mounted filesystems
18:39<babilen>and what does 'my d drive disappers' mean? What's a d drive? And where does it disappear from?
18:39<sixtila>when i mount it, it is not seen in my computer
18:39<sixtila>but when i unmount it, it shows
18:40<babilen>ok, what happens if you just click on that in nautilus ?
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18:42<babilen>and you would find the mounted partition wherever you mounted it on ...
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18:42<sixtila>hmm, i cant see tcomputerhe ddrive in my
18:42<sixtila>in mycomputer
18:42<babilen>so if you mount it to /mnt/windows you find it there (CTRL-L in nautilus let's you enter that easily)
18:43<babilen>could you paste the output of 'mount'
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18:43<sixtila>Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Nabin-DATA'.
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18:43<sixtila>when opeingn in graphics
18:44<sixtila>ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/win
18:44<sixtila>is that right
18:44<sixtila>win doesnt exist anyway, i just made up
18:44<babilen>if that is 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/win'
18:45<babilen>and 'sudo mkdir /mnt/win' before that
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18:46<sixtila>sixtila is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
18:46<sixtila>how do i make my pass work?
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18:47<sixtila>babilen yeah! mounted it
18:49<babilen>sixtila: 'visudo' and add a line like 'sixtila ALL=(ALL) ALL'
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18:49<babilen>sixtila: follow the instructions on the wiki on how to edit /etc/fstab to have that mounted permanently
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18:54<sixtila>looks like no skype for 64bit
18:55<sixtila>should i use wine now?
18:55<DomeDan>i think there is a 64 one
18:55<babilen>skype is installable, but that is a little bit complicated
18:55<babilen>you have to install the ubuntu package, the ia32 libraries and maybe create a launcher that looks like:
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18:56<babilen>if you have problems with your video ... you also need to load the right module for your camera
18:56<babilen>(which might already be loaded)
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18:57<dpkg>[skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
18:57<babilen>the wiki gives the details
18:57<sixtila>cheese is working! so vdo done!
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18:58<sixtila>u know of any good av chat for bedian and windows (cross platform)
18:59<sixtila>so that the window users can talk to me
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18:59<babilen>you can try ekiga or linphone but no windows user will want to use that because 'the whole world uses skype, you are weird, i am not your friend anymore'
19:01<babilen>just install skype, following the instructions on the wiki, then 'sudo cp /usr/bin/skype' and 'gksudo gedit /usr/bin/skype' and fill it with the content i just pasted
19:01<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
19:01<sixtila>haha hehe haohao
19:01<sixtila>funny! is debian agnst lol
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19:01<chahibi>or a drunk dutch
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19:02<sixtila>anyway lol sounds girly to me
19:02<babilen>and it is 'sudo cp /usr/bin/skype /usr/bin/skype.real'
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19:16<sixtila>babilen are these the kernel i should remove
19:16<sixtila>ii linux-image-2. 2.6.30+20~bpo5 Linux 2.6 image on AMD64
19:16<sixtila>ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26-19lenny Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64
19:16<sixtila>the one left is ii linux-image-2. 2.6.30-6~bpo50 Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
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19:17<sixtila>maybe not the first one - looks like only second one is to be removed
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19:22<babilen>the first one is the one you are currently using - you should therefore not remove it
19:22<babilen>(the 2.6.30)
19:22<sixtila>and also the third is necessary?
19:23<sixtila>so only second i should remove
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19:23<sixtila>sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2. 2.6.26-19lenny Linux 2.6.26
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19:27<babilen>don't use apt-get but aptitude
19:27<babilen>and yes, that would be the package
19:27<sixtila>whats the diff in apt-get and aptitude?
19:27<babilen>!why aptitude
19:27<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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19:28<babilen>run 'aptitude search ~i~nlinux-image' and uninstall the package with 2.6.26
19:30<sixtila>sixtila@sixtila-laptop:~$ aptitude search ~i~nlinux-image
19:30<sixtila>i linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux 2.6 image on AMD64
19:30<sixtila>i A linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64
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20:26<rex>lol what up RexKiller
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20:34<rex>anyone know off hand how to fix the 'Device not ready' OK message that keeps popping up ?
20:35<rex>debian 5.03
20:36<inglor>rex, well the device is not ready. what are you trying to do ?
20:39<rex>it does it randomly over and over again, but not doing it now . i should ask again when the problem is occurring . i have some unmounted drives, but it happens totally random, i'll wake up with 50 of those messages open
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20:42<inglor>rex, using gnome? and it's popping up? anything runs as a program you can turn it off? torrent client maybe?
20:42<rex>my drive has been filling up lately
20:42<rex>because of torrents
20:42<rex>i wonder if thats when it happens, yes gnome
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20:48<sixtila>if anyone is int he room , please letme know -
20:48<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
20:48<sixtila>i need grub help
20:48<sixtila>just loaded grub 2
20:48<sixtila>and it is working
20:49<sixtila>how can i add the ubuntu kernel in it also so i can choose between 2
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20:50<rex>are you trying to dual boot debian and ubuntu ?
20:50<sixtila>i have grub2
20:50<sixtila>in both ubuntu and debian
20:51<rex>which are you currently booted into ?
20:51<rex>are both installed ?
20:51<sixtila>i automatically get into debian
20:51<sixtila>i have ubuntu in other partiotion
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20:51<sixtila>i can show u both the grub files from ubuntu and debian
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20:52<sixtila>during debian install, it installed grub over MBR (wihtout seeing ubuntu was also there)
20:52<rex>i dont know if thats necessary, i'm not sure off hand but i've dual booted a lot before, im looking around google
20:52<rex>i think you can like boot the ubuntu cd and repair the grub
20:52<sixtila>i tried copying chunks from ubuntu grub to debian grub - debian works not ubuntu
20:52<rex>i had to do that before
20:53<sixtila>so thats the only way then - i wanted to avoid it so much
20:53<rex>i'm not sure off hand
20:54<sixtila>i have ubuntu cd for 904 and currently 910is installed
20:54<rex>you will have to edit whichever grub2 file that debian is using
20:54<sixtila>it is in boot/grub/grub.cfg
20:54<rex>and add entry for ubuntu
20:54<sixtila>i m not sure how much entry to add
20:54<sixtila>i tried - guessing
20:54<sixtila>not worked
20:54<sixtila>do u know what need to be added? i
20:55<sixtila>i have both the grub files if needed
20:55<rex>not offhand but thats what i would search for
20:55<rex>you can pm me and i will take a look
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20:55<rex>someone else can probably help you better than me
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20:56<sixtila>the first grub file is of Ubuntu
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21:02<inglor>sixtila, are you i debian or ubuntu now ? you said debian right
21:02<DomeDan>sixtila: have you tried just running: update-grub ?
21:03<inglor>yeah s DomeDan mentioned it will auto-detect the OS you have on your hdd and will autoadd the correct entries
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21:04<sixtila>inglor in debian
21:04<sixtila>Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...
21:04<sixtila>Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png
21:04<sixtila>Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64
21:04<sixtila>Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64
21:04<sixtila>it doesnt see ubuntu
21:04<inglor>all you have to do is update a file called:
21:04<inglor>there it holds the info of the partitions.
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21:05<sixtila>where is the file
21:05<sixtila>in boot/grub?
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21:05<inglor>I am not sure if there is a proper way to do it but I just edit it, yeah in /boob/grub if i recall
21:06<sixtila>(hd0) /dev/sda
21:06<sixtila>(hd1) /dev/sdb
21:06<sixtila>thats all it has
21:07<sixtila>the os are in hd0,1 and hd0,3
21:07<rex>what does update-grub do, have you tried that?
21:07<DomeDan>he just did rex:P
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21:07<sixtila>sudo update-grub2
21:07<sixtila>Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...
21:07<sixtila>Found Debian background: moreblue-orbit-grub.png
21:07<sixtila>Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64
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21:07<DomeDan>update-grub2, does it do any difference ?
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21:08<DomeDan>spammer ^^
21:09<sney>os-prober may detect ubuntu
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21:09<inglor>It should be autodetected.. even not mounted.
21:09<rex>sixtila didn't see that while he was disconnected domedan, try update-grub2 ?
21:09<sixtila>i tried both grub and grub2
21:09<dpkg>apt-cache show os-prober Use this to construct an add-on to your grub.cfg grub2 for dual{,triple,...}-booting other OSes.
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21:22<sixtila>is there a dock for debian?
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21:28<DomeDan>aptitude search dock
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22:08<mdg>Hello! I'm trying to do a floppy netinstall and cannot come up with a good mirror - keep getting an error. Anyone have any suggestions?
22:09<mdg>I've tried
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22:09<sixtila>mdg i totally agree, i had the same problem
22:09<sixtila>try - retry and see
22:09<mdg>sixtila: what did you do
22:10<sixtila>it happed for me sometime
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22:10<mdg>sixtila: where you doing a US install, and etch?
22:11<sixtila>yes US
22:11<sixtila>something is wrong with it!
22:11<sixtila>i ended up not doing it
22:11<mdg>sixtila: did you specify "etch" or just debian?
22:11<mdg>sixtila: oh
22:11<dpkg>i guess debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
22:12<sixtila>mdg dont know
22:12<sixtila>using the netinst i ended up a blank bluish screen all the time
22:12<sixtila>couldnt even boot
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22:12<mdg>sixtila: so what version of linux did you choose?
22:13<sixtila>then i burned lenny in dvd
22:13<sixtila>again the mirror problem
22:13<sixtila>but since dvd np
22:13<sixtila>and installed
22:13<mdg>sixtila: my cd-drive won't boot, no dvd either.
22:14<sixtila>flash drive?
22:14<sixtila>i tried that
22:14<sixtila>its crazy
22:14<sixtila>it asked me for a password
22:14<sixtila>then all is the blusih screen
22:14<mdg>sixtila: this is a P3 - I think its too old for booting from flash
22:14<mdg>sixtila: I don't even get a bluish screen - it just keeps trying to reboot
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22:15<sixtila>mdg try md5sum to see your iso
22:15<sixtila>if the hash matches
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22:15<mdg>sixtila: I'm using a floppy netinstall
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22:15<sixtila>where r u now?
22:16<sixtila>ubuntu, debian?
22:16<mdg>sixtila: I'm using my Mint install to access forum, my debian floppy install is looking for a good mirror
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22:17<mdg>even googling is not shedding any light on a good mirror...
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22:18<sixtila>rex mdg has problem with mirrors
22:19<sixtila>just like i had
22:19<mdg>trying to figure out how to find a good download mirror for US
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22:20<yfk>how can I use my computer as Bluetooth headset?
22:21<mdg>!floppy install
22:21<dpkg>[bf] Boot floppies are Debian-Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>.
22:22<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to put your Lenny upgrade plans into action, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
22:22<mdg>!install etch
22:22<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. See also <errata etch> and <install guide>.
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22:22<mdg>!install guides
22:22<mdg>!install guide
22:22<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
22:23<mdg>is it normal for debian to have so many problems with download mirrors?
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22:24<rex>what are you trying to do mdg?
22:24<rex>whats your current os and what os are you trying to install
22:24<mdg>floppy netinstall - is no good
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22:25<mdg>rex: floppy install is for etch, which I will upgrade to lenny
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22:29<rex>idk but i didi a flash drive install
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22:30<mdg>rex: do you think I could access a flash drive on a P3 at this point? Are there USB drivers on the floppy install disks?
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22:31<rex>ah ps3 i know nothing about
22:31<mdg>rex: pentium 3
22:31<rex>i installed my system via flash drive but idk
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22:31<mdg>rex: the CD-drive does not work, so attempting floppy install
22:32<mdg>rex: but darned if I can come up with a mirror that will work
22:32<sixtila>mdg does retrying increase the progress a little bit a time?
22:32<sixtila>mdg I was wishing all the same
22:32<sixtila>i had to install debian over 4 times to get it work
22:33<sixtila>i was switching between ubutnut and debian
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22:34<mdg>sixtila: I just keep getting an error about the mirror - I haven't even gotten to an install
22:35<mdg>if I could direct it to a USB drive from this point where its asking for a mirror - that would work...
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22:37<mdg>I have no idea how I would mount a USB on a Pentium 3...
22:37<sixtila>do u have ubuntu live cd
22:37<sixtila>see if the usb creator in it works
22:37<mdg>sixtila: yes (mint), but CD-drive don't work
22:37<sixtila>oh yea
22:39<sixtila>try creating a usb from unetbootin
22:39<sixtila>see if it works
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22:39<sixtila>but i m not sure if that would solve the mirror problem
22:39<mdg>sixtila: its a pentium 3 - before they made USB bootting
22:40<rex>dang man just get a new comp lol
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22:41<sixtila>mdg most experts here now are in bed , if u could wait until tomorrow that would be great
22:41<sixtila>this guy called babilen would be able to help you
22:41<mdg>rex: trying to revive this one to give to local thrift store...
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22:44<rex>google has all the answers, just keep digging deeper
22:45<sixtila>saying google has the answer is really a poor answer
22:45<mdg>rex: been digging for hours...
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22:45<sixtila>mdg maybe this is a temp problem with the mirrors? i still get problem with secrrity related mirrors
22:47<mdg>sixtila: its a very bad problem to have - not being able to get to the mirrors
22:47<DomeDan>what's wrong with the cd-drive?
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22:47<mdg>DomeDan: it doesn't boot live CDs - correct in bios - the drive itself has a problem.
22:49<DomeDan>ok, is it a jumper thats in the wrong place? is it not at the end of the ata-cable? or maybe its just broken :P
22:49<mdg>DomeDan: its old - its not reading CD's right anymore
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22:49<DomeDan>is it connected to the right ata-cable?
22:49<mdg>DomeDan: I've never had it unconnected
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22:50<DomeDan>ok :P maybe to dusty. tried to blow into it?
22:50<sdk>Trying to figure out, how can I get the desktop of a remote system to be one of the virtual desktops on my local system? I have no idea where to start...
22:50<mdg>!USB netinstall
22:51<mdg>!USB install
22:51<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
22:51<sdk>Both are running GNU/Linux.
22:51<mdg>I have plop - but it won't do a thing!
22:51<mdg>hmm - maybe its the USB keyboard???
22:52<DomeDan>what do you mean? does your keyboard mess things up?
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22:53<mdg>DomeDan: its a Pentium 3 - maybe I will have luck with a PS2
22:53<mdg>Gee, I hope I have one....
22:53<DomeDan>maybe, but the only problem should be that you cant use it in bios
22:54<DomeDan>but when you tried with floppy, did you get connected to your dhcp?
22:55<mdg>I still kept one... sometimes on the older computers something plugged into the USB port throws ports and IRQs off
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22:56<sdk>Every geek should have an old Model M laying around, just out of respect... I still use mine, and I have several in storage, prolly leave them to my kids in 40 years.
22:57<sdk>apt, you still here?>
22:58<DomeDan> :) btw sdk, what did you try ti do with the remote desktop and stuff?
22:58<sdk>I haven't tried anything yet.. I'm reading the xhost man page to see if there's some help there. I just want top be able to have a virtual desktop for each remote system I work on.
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23:00<DomeDan>ok, its seams a bitt odd, sounds like a long way to just remote desktop
23:02<DomeDan>or, maybe you want to run Xserver over ssh to your workstation?
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23:03<sdk>DomeDan: That's precisely want I'm trying to do.
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23:04<DomeDan>oh :P you can use ssh -X to view applications on
23:04<DomeDan>on your computers your ssh-ing from
23:05<DomeDan>but a desktop throw ssh, i have been on that track, but i didnt complete it :P
23:05<sdk>However, I want to have one of the local virtual desktops to be transparently the remote desktop. What's going on is at work I have several different systems, some are test desktops, some are servers, etc. If I'm trying to tweak a desktop configuration or see what a user is experiencing...
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23:05<sdk>I need to be ab le to see the entire desktop, not just applications, you see? I think I may not be explaining myself clearly.
23:07<DomeDan>not crystal-clear :P but its sound like a simple vnc connection you want...
23:07<sdk>And, ideally, I'd like to be able to assign an particular remote host to a local virtual desktop.
23:08<sdk>Yep, just googled it, and that's exactly what for what I am looking!
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23:10<DomeDan>hehe :P ok, glad you found a solution! i got lots of experience with vnc so ask me if you got a question
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23:13<sdk>Here's the first one.. the command offered by dpkg seems a little incomprehensible. What's the whole 5900:localhost:5900 bit?
23:13<dpkg>methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at, or, or ask me about <x-not-vnc>. Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc, "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. Also ask about <vnc setup>.
23:13<sdk>Err.. that's not what I meant..
23:14<sdk>dpkg tell me about vnc
23:14<dpkg>from memory, x11vnc is a <VNC> server for displaying the running X session. Best invoked remotely as: ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 host 'x11vnc -localhost -display :0' &sleep2;vncviewer localhost
23:14<sdk>there it is.. sorry for the spam.
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23:16<ml|>sdk: next time best to /msg dpkg
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23:16<sdk>ml| : I do, but I didn't understand the response, so i re-requested it here for DomeDan to see.
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23:17<ml|>ok, just incase you did not know ;)
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23:18<DomeDan>that 5900:localhost:5900 is for tunneling the vnc connection
23:18<sdk>ml| : Thanks for the advice though.
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23:20<mdg>well, it responds better, but still no mirror accessible to download install files from
23:21<DomeDan>and thats a good thing to do, beacause vnc-connections are in plaintext
23:21<mdg> does nothing ....argggg!!!!
23:21<DomeDan>mdg: do you get connection to your dhcp?
23:21<mdg>DomeDan: yep
23:22<mdg>ifconfig shows eth0 has an IP address
23:22<DomeDan>ok, can you ping google?
23:22<mdg>DomeDan: from within the install?
23:23<sdk>mdg: are the lights on the NIC lit up even?
23:23<mdg>sdk: eth0
23:23<sdk>one should be on steady, the other should be flickiering very quickly.
23:23<DomeDan>mdg: yeah, you can use tty2 right?
23:23<sdk>I mean literally, look on the back of your computer and make sure the indicator lights are glowing, assuming there are some.
23:24<sdk>Sorry, I'll stay out. :) I just had that happen to me the other day. :)
23:24<mdg>DomeDan: I have no idea if I have access to a text webbrowser at this point - from within the install process of trying to get a mirror to work to install debian....
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23:25<mdg>sdk: its okay - an "ifconfig" shows eth0 is configured and getting an IP address
23:25<mdg>would I have w3m even?
23:26<DomeDan>mdg: ok, but in "ctrl alt f2" run: ping
23:26<sdk>Ok, so I can;t keep my mouth shut. mdg: do a ctrl+alt+f2 to get a login scree, hopefully
23:26<mdg>DomeDan: will do.... trying it now
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23:27<mdg>DomeDan: there is no "ping" from a busybox shell....
23:27<DomeDan>oh, you got a very tiny install i guess :P
23:28<mdg>sdk: :) I have nothing installed to log into - I'm in the middle of trying to install via floppy drive netinstall
23:28<sdk>Oh, wow.
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23:29<mdg>if I could wget something - an install file or something....
23:29<DomeDan>yeah. try that
23:29<mdg>because the mirrors are a no go
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23:29<mdg>any idea where I would "wget" anything for debian?
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23:31<sixtila>rex pc hung! cant believe debian did that! thats windows job
23:32<sdk>sixtila: running unstable?
23:32<sdk>or Testing?
23:33<sdk>mdg: did the wget work?
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23:33<sixtila>stable lenny
23:33<mdg>sdk: I have no idea what to "wget"
23:33<sdk>Hrm.. ultra new PC hardware?
23:33<sixtila>was doing compiz configure
23:33<sdk>mdg: Dan just told you...
23:34<sdk>sixtila: what kind of video card do you have?
23:34<sixtila>closed source
23:35<mdg>sdk: that's a picture of the debian logo
23:35<sdk>mdg: right.. if you can get that, then you can get anything.
23:35<sdk>and there's a problem with your configuration, not your connection.
23:35<sixtila>sdk how do i know grep|video?
23:35<sdk>Dan's trying to narrow down the problem.
23:36<sdk>sixtila: look at the card?
23:36<mdg>okay - i'll get it
23:36<sdk>or you can dmesg | grep -i ati
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23:37<mdg>I got it - now what?
23:37<DomeDan>now im suprised :P
23:38<mdg>DomeDan: LOL
23:38<sdk>mdg, can you please post ONE LINE of your sources.list here, the line with on it?
23:38<DomeDan>mdg: because i can ping, do you use the http protociol?
23:39<mdg>DomeDan: I was using ftp
23:39<sdk>mdg, the line should read:
23:39<DomeDan>mdg: try http instead:
23:39<sdk>deb unstable<orwhatever> main <non-free contrib>
23:40<mdg>DomeDan: should I choose etch or just debian or what?
23:40<sdk>Uh Uo, turkey stock boiling over.. bbiab.
23:41<DomeDan>mdg: didnt know you had that option. etch or lenny might work
23:42<mdg>DomeDan: it didn't like http::/
23:42<mdg>DomeDan: was I supposed to wget or just try from the installer (tried from installer)
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23:43<mdg>DomeDan: one forward slash after http:?
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23:43<mdg>DomeDan: two colons?
23:44<DomeDan>mdg: its
23:44<sixtila>DomeDan do u know how i could direct my debian grub to detect the ubuntu kernel as well?
23:44<mdg>okay - will try
23:45<DomeDan>run sudo os-prober i think can work
23:45<DomeDan>sixtila: and after that a update-grub
23:45<sixtila>sudo: os-probe: command not found
23:46<icebrain>i think update-grub is all you need
23:46<DomeDan>maybe just os-probe without sudo :P
23:46<sixtila>bash: update-grub: command not found
23:46<mdg>nope not working
23:47<DomeDan>mdg: ok, but dont uyou get the option of: http or ftp before you chose mirror?
23:47<icebrain>rex: that's for when grub gets rewritten by Windows bootloader, afaik
23:47<mdg>DomeDan: yes - neither one works and http://ftp don't work either
23:48<DomeDan>what version is your installer?
23:48<mdg>DomeDan: its etch
23:48<DomeDan>mdg: 5.03?
23:48<mdg>DomeDan: because its floppy netinstall
23:49<mdg>DomeDan: how do I determine version....
23:50<DomeDan>mdg: check the name of the file you created the floppy with, im not sure if you use buisnes-card for that or something else
23:51<mdg>DomeDan: I did it over a year ago...
23:51<mdg>DomeDan: for previous install
23:52<mdg>darn that nonworking CD-ROM!
23:52<sixtila>thanks debian
23:52<DomeDan>mdg: ok, but i found somthing that might be your case:
23:52<sixtila>merry christmas and thank for help
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23:53<DomeDan>mdg:look under: "Buggy routers may cause network problems"
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23:54<mdg>DomeDan: how did we determine my router is buggy?
23:55<sdk>mdg: I'm going to make this the last butt in.. I'm thinking the netinst is asking you what repository to use to get the rest of the distro. If so, try just entering the IP, that's and also try the following: wget
23:55<sdk>if you can get that file, there's no reason in the world you shoudl nto be able tog et the rest of the install.
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23:55<sdk>I'm browsing the directory tree now.
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23:58<DomeDan>mdg: i dont know that, but if the router is buggy you can work around it with: "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling" (do that in the system your installing)
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23:58<DomeDan>mdg:try sdk's suggestion
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