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---Logopened Sat Dec 26 00:00:14 2009
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00:00<mdg>I used wget "" and now have a very small file named "Release"
00:00<mdg>so now what?
00:01<DomeDan>mdg: chose mirror
00:02<mdg>DomeDan: how do I type that - -
00:02<sdk>Just hte IP addy
00:03<DomeDan>mdg: yeah,that can work
00:03<sdk>DomeDan: the installer is smart enough to determing the protocol, iirc, yeah?
00:03<sdk>determine, even.
00:04<DomeDan>but maybe you need
00:04<DomeDan>dont know if it can do that :P
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00:06<sdk>Holy crap, I almost fell off the chair.. a metric crapload of snow and ice just slid down from the roof onto the steel cellar doors outside, made an unbelievable noise. Thought a car had crashed into house. LOL.
00:07<DomeDan>haha xD i know how it feels :P happen to me last year
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00:07<sdk>mdg, any results?
00:07<mdg>I got nothin
00:08<sdk>What exactly is the question you are being asked? somethign like 'please enter the address of the repository you wish to use'?
00:08<mdg>DomeDan: If I choose http:// it takes me to a list of "mirrors" that don'g work, if I choose ftp - I can type it all in...
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00:09<mdg>let me try once more
00:10<DomeDan>mdg: ok :S it sound like you dont even got connection to the internet
00:11<sdk>mdg: the address and full path are as follows:
00:12<sdk>Fading quickly. Night all. Dan, thanks for the adivce. mdg: sorry I couldn'[t be of more help.
00:12<sdk>Merry Christmas everyone!
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00:12<rex>merry christmas !
00:12<DomeDan>good night! and marry christmas! :)
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00:17<mdg>if I can use "wget" to get something called "release" -- its "window scaling" that's causing the problem??
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00:24<mdg>I just tried the window scaling trick - but it didn't help
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00:27<dondelelcaro>mdg: what exactly are you trying to do?
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00:27<mdg>trying the second trick
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00:30<mdg>dondelelcaro: long story - trying to do floppy netinstall (Cd-Drive don't read CDs) but cannot get the download mirrors to responds - am being told here that "window scaling" is the issue
00:30<dondelelcaro>mdg: can you ping the mirror(s) you're trying to use?
00:31<dondelelcaro>mdg: do you have any other method that you could install? Removing the harddrive, for instance?
00:31<dondelelcaro>floppy installs are terribly painful
00:31<mdg>dondelelcaro: I was able to use wget to get something called "release" from a newly determined address.
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00:32<mdg>dondelelcaro: I tried removing the drive - put in USB case and installed, but messed up grub on main computer as well as the this one I am trying to install debian on via floppy net install
00:33<dondelelcaro>mdg: if you've got it on a drive at all, then you can use the floppy to boot and fix grub
00:33<mdg>... did that - wasn't pretty LOL
00:33<mdg>dondelelcaro: I actually installed Mint 8 when I had it in the USB case
00:33<mdg>dondelelcaro: I don't even get a chance to get to grub...
00:34<mdg>dondelelcaro: even plop won't work
00:34<dondelelcaro>mdg: if you can boot off of anything, you can fix grub.
00:35<mdg>I'd love to fix grub.... but it ain't happening at this point
00:36<mdg>dondelelcaro: did I mention its a Pentium 3?
00:36<mdg>with a nonworking CD-rom
00:37<mdg>all I got at this point is busybox via alt-F2 or the step to pick mirror to download from during install
00:38<dondelelcaro>mdg: doesn't matter what it is; a P3 is recent enough
00:39<mdg>dondelelcaro: I'm all ears :)
00:39<dondelelcaro>mdg: so you pick a mirror; then what happens?
00:39<mdg>dondelelcaro: I get an "error" message about the mirror
00:39<dondelelcaro>mdg: which mirror and what is the exact error?
00:40<mdg>dondelelcaro: that's why the "window scaling" thing came up.
00:40<dondelelcaro>the window scaling is almost certainly a red herring unless you've got something really peculiar going on in your network setup
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00:40<dondelelcaro>which floppies are these, bts?
00:41<dondelelcaro>oh, that's not going to work
00:41<mdg>dondelelcaro: they are the netinstall floppies for etch (there is no netinstall floppies for lenny"
00:42<mdg>dondelelcaro: I can "wget" from that address - something called "Release" but it does nothing
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00:43<mdg>dondelelcaro: I'd either like to fix grub or install debian
00:43<dondelelcaro>that's just the release file; you're probably not going to be able to install using floppies with etch anymore
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00:44<mdg>dondelelcaro: I read to do a net install to use the etch netinstall and do a base install then change sources to "lenny"
00:45<mdg>dondelelcaro: so you are saying that netinstall of etch is no longer possible, and no netinstall of lenny?
00:45<dondelelcaro>mdg: it may not be possible anymore; I think the gpg keys may have expired
00:47<mdg>so either I install tiny core or throw it away - was going to give it to a thrift store...
00:48<dondelelcaro>mdg: in any event, your choices are 1) get a working cdrom drive 2) figure out the exact error or 3) fix grub
00:48<dondelelcaro>mdg: grub > Respectfully,
00:48<dondelelcaro>> Dustin Romero
00:48<imganquan>hi all. I use openbox WM in Squeeze, how to autostart the ibus(a input method) after I type "startx", I write ibus-daemon in openbox's, but it didn't works. any suggestion?
00:48<mdg>after a clean install of so
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00:48<dondelelcaro>mdg: grub can be fixed if you can boot off the floppy, mount the drive, and chroot into it. Since you installed mint, the people in #mint or whatever the right channel is hsould be able to help it
00:48<mdg>dondelelcaro: I 've searched all day how to fix grub - makes my head swim
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00:49<mdg>dondelelcaro: I'm not able to see the drive - don't know why
00:49<dondelelcaro>mdg: it's pretty easy. You run grub-install /dev/hda or /dev/sda, then fix your menu.lst if it's broken
00:49<dondelelcaro>mdg: what kind of drive is it?
00:49<mdg>dondelelcaro: from what floppy are you talking about?
00:49<dondelelcaro>mdg: the installation floppy
00:49<dondelelcaro>mdg: or any other floppy you can boot which has enough of a linux system so you can see the drive you installed to and can chroot to it
00:50<mdg>dondelelcaro: I have a boot floppy, a root floppy , two network driver floppies and a CD-rom floppy -
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00:50<dondelelcaro>mdg: yes, so boot until you get the installer up and can go to the busybox shell and mount the drive.
00:50<mdg>dondelelcaro: `basically I have busybox
00:51<dondelelcaro>mdg: yes, so mount the drive that you installed mint to, chroot to it, and then ask the mint channel for further instructions
00:51<mdg>dondelelcaro: I'm in busybox - I'd love to know how to mount the drive from there
00:51<dondelelcaro>mdg: with mount /dev/foo /target, for example
00:52<mdg>... I'll give it a try...
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00:54<mdg>dondelelcaro: I made a directory called "disk" then "mount /dev/hda /disk" but it didn't work
00:56<dondelelcaro>!didn't work
00:56<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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00:57<mdg>dondelelcaro: "mount /dev/hda" = "cam
00:58<adb>mdg, hda1 / hda2 etc.. or sda1 etc .. use > ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
00:58<mdg>= can't find /dev/hda in /etc/fstab"
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00:59<matlads>how do I get avahi to give me an automatic IP address without having dhclient run first?
01:00<dondelelcaro>mdg: you want mount /dev/hda1 /disk; or similar.
01:01<dondelelcaro>mdg: you may also need mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /disk; or similar.
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01:04<mdg>dondelelcaro: dondelelcaro in my /dev directory I can see hda, hda1, hda2, hda5 but when I type mount /dev/hda1 - I get "no such device"
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01:05<dondelelcaro>mdg: check dmesg
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01:06<mdg>dondelelcaro: okay
01:07<mdg>dondelelcaro: no dmesg in "busybox"
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01:09<dondelelcaro>mdg: there is a printk log on either terminal 4 or 5 which should give you reasonable output
01:09<dondelelcaro>mdg: alternatively, it's sda
01:09<dondelelcaro>mdg: and it may not be hda1, it could be hda5 or similar
01:10<mdg>dondelelcaro: sorry typed it wrong
01:11<mdg>hda5 is swap
01:12<dondelelcaro>anyway, if you're unable to mount the drive, then you can't fix grub, so you'll either have to reinstall using a working cdrom drive, or do some other jury rig
01:12<mdg>I'm stumped - why can't I mount hda1 or hda2
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01:12<dondelelcaro>unfortunatly, I don't have time to walk you through tracking all of the possibilities down
01:12<mdg>dondelelcaro: shows up in /dev directory but not /etc/fstab
01:14<mdg>what a mess I've made today LOL
01:15<mdg>dondelelcaro: can I install grub from busybox?
01:15<mdg>dondelelcaro: like via busybox?
01:16<mdg>probably not - can't mount drive.... doh!
01:16<dondelelcaro>mdg: if you can't mount the drive, there's no point continuing on
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01:18<mdg>dondelelcaro: I got it!
01:18<mdg>I'm in
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01:19<mdg>dondelelcaro: got enough time to show me how to fix grub?
01:19<mdg>dondelelcaro: head to /boot directory?
01:19<dondelelcaro>mdg: chroot; run grub-install /dev/hda1; check that /boot/grub/menu.lst looks sane, then exit, umount, and reboot
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01:23<mdg>dondelelcaro: I can chroot and get a message about chroot usage - NEWROOT [COMMAND]
01:24<karthik>what for glib reference manual is used
01:24<dondelelcaro>mdg: you want chroot /boot /bin/bash
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01:26<mdg>dondelelcaro: oh - so that lets me edit menu.lst
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01:26<dondelelcaro>mdg: no, that lets you rerun grub, which is your first step
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01:27<mdg>dondelelcaro: so I type "chroot /boot /bin/bash"
01:27<dondelelcaro>mdg: once you can boot off of the drive and get grub to run, you can manually tweak the kernel and settings until you get it to work; you can of course fix menu.lst before that, but whatever
01:27<dondelelcaro>mdg: yes.
01:27<mdg>...let me see what happens
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01:30<mdg>dondelelcaro: I get "cannot change root directory to /boot - no such file or directory"
01:31<dondelelcaro>mdg: err, chroot /disk /bin/bash;
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01:32<mdg>dondelelcaro: okay I have a red prompt showing $debian:
01:32<dondelelcaro>mdg: then you're ready to run grub-install or whatever is appropriate
01:33<mdg>dondelelcaro: when I checked the menu.lst I noticed it was referencing "sda1" - would just changing to hda1 fix the problem? since I originally installed drive via USB enclosure?
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01:34<mdg>dondelelcaro: so just "nano menu.lst" and fix it?
01:34<dondelelcaro>mdg: when you booted off of this drive, did grub actually start?
01:35<mdg>dondelelcaro: I haven't actually gotten the install to boot - it just seems to loop trying to boot
01:37<mdg>dondelelcaro: when I installed mint to the drive, the drive was in a USB enclosure attached to my main linux PC, which I messed up grub on too
01:37<dondelelcaro>mdg: yes, but do you see a grub menu at all?
01:37<mdg>let me check...
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01:38<mdg>dondelelcaro: I cd to boot > grub and there is a menu.lst
01:39<dondelelcaro>mdg: not on disk. When you boot off of that disk, exactly what happens? Do you see a grub menu?
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01:40<mdg>dondelelcaro:.....the hard disk?
01:41<mdg>dondelelcaro: up to this point it does a loop looking for something to boot - I haven't actually seen a grub menu come up
01:41<dondelelcaro>mdg: then you need to install grub first.
01:41<mdg>dondelelcaro: even though I have a menu.lst?
01:42<mdg>dondelelcaro: I will still have to edit menu.lst then right?
01:42<dondelelcaro>mdg: ignore menu.lst at this point. Until you get a grub menu when you boot off of that disk, the menu.lst isn't examined at all
01:42<dondelelcaro>(and you can boot perfectly well without one if you know how to use grub)
01:43<mdg>dondelelcaro: so I should type "grub-install"
01:43<dondelelcaro>mdg: grub-install /dev/hda1
01:44<mdg>dondelelcaro: I typed "grub-install /dev/hda1" and got "/dev/hda1 not found or not a block device"
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01:46<mdg>dondelelcaro: what directory should I be in?
01:46<dondelelcaro>mdg: /dev is not mounted, or you don't have an entry for it
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01:47<dondelelcaro>mdg: so either bind bount /dev/ or create a hda1 node
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01:49<mdg>dondelelcaro: hda1 is mounted - I can see the files from the mint install
01:50<mdg>dondelelcaro: since my "prompt" is red - I am root correct?
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01:52<dondelelcaro>mdg: that's not the point. /dev/ isn't mounted.
01:52<eeeuser>Is anyone having problems with the texlive-latex-recommended package? I just updated, and my old SVN checkouts (which previously compiled ) no longer compile cleanly. Every \caption{} now produces an error.
01:54<eeeuser> /join #latex
01:56<mdg>dondelelcaro: I'm lost... how do I mount /dev?
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01:58<mdg>dondelelcaro: when you say /dev is not mounted - you mean /dev/hda1 is not mounted?
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02:01<mdg>dondelelcaro: "mount -- bind /dev/hda1"
02:03<mdg>dondelelcaro: "mount -- bind /dev/hda1 /disk"
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02:06<mdg>dondelelcaro: "mount -- bind /dev /dev/hda1"??
02:07<eeeuser>mdg: mount is usually used as : "mount /dev/hda1 /wherever/diskname". You may need to specify filesystem with the -t option.
02:08<mdg>eeeuser: its the /wherever/diskname" that has me confused...
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02:09<mdg>eeeuser: dondelelcaro was guiding me in using busybox to repair grub
02:10<mdg>eeeuser: he said I need to "bind mount to /dev...."
02:10<eeeuser>mdg: Well, in that case I don't know. You may need to "ls /dev/hd*" or "ls /dev/sd*"
02:11<mdg>eeeuser: its dev/hda1
02:11<mdg>eeeuser: but I don't know if he means "mount -- bind /dev/hda1" to what???
02:12<mdg>this is the closest I've been all day to fixing grub...
02:13<mdg>all I need to do is figure how a grub-install, but can't mount /dev....
02:14<eeeuser>the /wherever/diskname is not usually overly important. Just a folder somwhere on your machine. However it may be important if other code depends on the specific location. I don't have enough context on your problem to help, sorry.
02:14<mdg>eeeuser: dondelelcaro was very graciously guiding me...but its a mess..
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02:15<mdg>thank you all for listening - I now know it should be possible to fix grub from busybox... I just can't put it all together right now
02:15<grondilu>Hi, has anyone succeeded in sending mails via exim using Yahoo! as a smarthost ??? I tried that: and it didn't work.
02:16<mdg>I'd love a tutorial on using busybox to fix grub - I haven't found that yet either...
02:16<grondilu>With gmail it was ok ( but with Yahoo!, no way...
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02:19<mdg>dondelelcaro: thank you - I know I'm a pain in the butt
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02:19<mdg>have a good night all o/
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02:46<heparc>Bonjour j'ai fait un petit script pour les maj auto qui me prévient lorsque tout c'est bien passé mais j'aimerai qu'il me prévienne quand il y a un soucis également ^^, je vous envoie mon bash je le paste :
02:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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02:58<mappy>where can i find source code for packages included with various debian releases?
02:59<inzo>well, the debian package page has a link to source, there are other places also
03:00<mappy>okay, thanks. debian package page doesn't have the particular version i'm looking for
03:01<inzo>look in the directory the package is in
03:01<mappy>GNU Parted 1.6.21 with HFS shrink patch 16 as included with debian-31r8-powerpc-netinst.iso
03:05<inzo>which release is that? sarge?
03:06<mappy>i think so(?). is there still source for that..?
03:06<inzo>a mirror of that is what i would be looking for
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03:11<mappy>excellent, thank you c:
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04:38<jusefina>can someone explain why i get a "duplicate interce" error message when i try to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces file?
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04:48<kilelme>hmm maybe you have two same name of interface like eth0
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05:20<mihkel>For some time there seems to be a conflict in packages
05:20<mihkel>Can someone help me to solve it
05:20<mihkel>debian sid
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05:24<cahoot>mihkel: do you even use esd?
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05:25<cahoot>remove it?
05:26<cahoot>or wait for the natural course of things
05:26<mihkel>I won't let me
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05:29<cahoot>ok so just wait for the natural resolution with time
05:30<cahoot>hardly a showstopper anyway
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07:10<dpkg><florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks?
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07:19<babilen>"I like to drink coffee before bed. I dream faster." (Night on Earth)
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07:23<melsonmore>lol, babilen
07:23<babilen>great movie btw
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07:24<khades>aria2c in lenny sometimes segfaultin with message " aria2::PiecedSegment::PiecedSegment(size_t, const aria2::PieceHandle&): check state `t` not executed"
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07:25<babilen>khades: Is there a bug report in the BTS?
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07:26<khades>babilen: can't bugreport yet, not easy to catch it and lang=ru_RU.UTF8 doesn't make segfault message to be in english
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07:29<babilen>khades: you can start with LANG=C ... and sorry i can't help you with that. But it would be great to if you find a way to reproduce that error
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07:38<angasule>is there a debian channel relevant to the N810?
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07:41<azeem_>angasule: #maemo on maybe
07:41<angasule>azeem_: thank you, I'm there already, I was looking for something more debian-specific :-)
07:42<angasule>but from what I'm reading on the wiki, I probably don't want debian on the N810 as my primary OS
07:43<inglor>Hey guys I'm looking for a gui for scp transfers. I know nautilus support something like that but I am on lightweight desktop and using PCmanfs. are there any alternatives?
07:45<angasule>inglor: mc
07:45<angasule>well, it's TUI, not GUI, but still nice
07:46<inglor>mc support that.. hmmm I will search again, did a quick check but couldn't find any relative menu entry
07:47<angasule>inglor: it calls it 'shell link'
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07:52<somdev>can anyone tell me how to start my internet connection at 2:05 AM and off at 7:50 AM ??? I'm using pppoe....
07:53<melsonmore>I'm having some problems with GRUB on a new lenny 5.0.3 install. It hangs at "[Linux-bzImage, setup=0x3000, size=0x16c950]". I tried booting with LILO and I didn't have any problems. Does anyone know why GRUB would be doing this? I also have a post on the deb forums with a little more info on this. 9
07:53<babilen>somdev: have a look at 'at'
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07:53<inglor>angasule, msg plz
07:54<babilen>somdev: if you want to have this scheduled regularly you can create a cron cron job for this
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07:54<babilen>s/cron cron/cron/
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07:56<somdev>@babilen : I'm new to ubuntu.... it will take some time for me to understand the whole procedure.... Thank you for helping... Let me see .... what I can do... Be with me...
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07:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:59<somdev>I tried that..... Got no help....
08:00<melsonmore>We could always pretend that you said you are "new to debian"
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08:02<somdev>Thank you.... for helping...
08:03<babilen>somdev: Unfortunately this is a Debian support channel and we can't support every distribution based on Debian in here, just because the other channels are less helpful. Sorry. But you can install Debian and come here for all the help you need
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08:04<babilen>somdev: And you might get answers if you ask really basic questions. But the answers given to you might not work on Ubuntu and you will always be told to ask in #ubuntu once we notice that you are running Ubuntu.
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08:08<somdev>@babilen : Ok... I understood.... Thank you for your Help so far... one last Question.... Is there any way of getting Debian CDs for free just as Ubuntu delivers ??? and if not, Then What is the average size of a downloadable Debian Distribution ??
08:09<melsonmore>You can get a netinst iso thats only about 149MB.
08:09<babilen>somdev: you can download the 'netinstall' image and burn it yourself
08:10<babilen>somdev: that rewuires you to have a working network connection while you install though, if you want to install anything like Gnome, KDE, or so. You can also download CD1/DVD1 which contains more packages
08:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
08:10<babilen>!tell somdev -about ig
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08:12<somdev> Ok...
08:12<somdev>Thank you very much...
08:12<babilen>somdev: have fun, and come here if you have *any* question regarding Debian
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08:21<babilen>!tell somdev -about grounding
08:22<Piet>how do i make totem in testing use the xine backend?
08:23<somdev>@ babilen : I've started downloading netinst through bittorrent....
08:23<somdev>See you all later...
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08:23<Onepamopa>anyone alive? ;)
08:24<babilen>Onepamopa: no, just some zombies around
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08:25<Onepamopa>i have a couple of questions...
08:25<Onepamopa>if there's anyone who knows mysql insideout ;)
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08:26<babilen>Onepamopa: that would be #mysql@freenode
08:26<Onepamopa>alright, thanks ;)
08:26<babilen>Onepamopa: or do yourself a favour and head over to #postgresql@freenode ;-)
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08:26<Onepamopa>I dont use postgres
08:26<Onepamopa>it s?ck.. ;)
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08:32<Onepamopa>babilen they arent very helpful .., I already read what they said, but didnt understand it...
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08:32<babilen>Onepamopa: be patient and ask again. Is your problem in any way Debian related?
08:32<Onepamopa>no, it's not
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08:33<Onepamopa>but I prefer to be here, I know some of you
08:33<Onepamopa>you are very helpful in general
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08:33<babilen>Onepamopa: Yes, but this is a Debian support channel, not a MySQL one
08:33<Onepamopa>I know, I know.. :)
08:33<babilen>Onepamopa: Ask them to clarify their answers for you ...
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08:34<Onepamopa>well, from what I read, they talk for somekind of optimisations, and didnt even read my question ;)
08:35<Onepamopa>I guess that's normal ;)
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08:37<Onepamopa>a friend of mine said that a guy did what I'm trying to do... in about 30 secs
08:37<Onepamopa>but I cant find any information..
08:38<babilen>ok, not much going on here. What's the problem?
08:38<Onepamopa>I want to move my current sql tables to another hard drive
08:38<Onepamopa>my primary hdd cant handle the requests and the load from the servers at the same time
08:38<babilen>Onepamopa: can't you just copy /var/lib/mysql to the new hdd and mount that as /var/lib/mysql ?
08:39<Onepamopa>would that do the trick ?
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08:39<Onepamopa>I turned google upsidedown looking for answers..
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08:41<babilen>I would think so. But I don't know MySQL well enough to guarantee that ... It is worth a try though and might be the easiest solution (and you don't lose anything because you'll have a neat backup with this method) use 'cp -a' or another copy method that preserves permissions/ownership
08:41<Onepamopa>I'm thinking of mounting the new hdd like /sql
08:41<Onepamopa>and edit my.ini
08:41<babilen>make it /srv/mysql
08:42<Onepamopa>I'll try this first thing in the morning
08:42<babilen>but why not mount it on /var/lib/mysql .. no harm done
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08:42<babilen>but that's your decision.
08:42<babilen>good luck
08:42<Onepamopa>thanks ;)
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08:47<hans>hello, how do i make the gnome-terminal use the same keyboard-layout under gnome and under fluxbox ? i installed debian with language english and keyboard-layout german, now gnome is OK but fluxbox has the english keyboard
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09:08<bobi1024>i need help
09:09<hans>me too
09:09<bobi1024>how can i help u
09:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
09:09<bobi1024>ok point taken
09:10<bobi1024>my problem is that the clock of the pc is two hours ahead
09:10<bobi1024>put it is actually not
09:11<bobi1024>i've chaked all the clocks, dates and timezones of the PC that i know
09:11<bobi1024>but when i cold boot the system
09:11<hans>go into the bios and adjust the time
09:12<bobi1024>i've adjusted the time in the bios
09:12<bobi1024>it is correct
09:12<bobi1024>but it stills give that 2 hour difference
09:12<hans>then you have to change your timezone
09:12<hans>in debian
09:12<bobi1024>the time zone is correct too
09:13<bobi1024>EET for the root and for the other users
09:13<bobi1024>for the whole system actually
09:13<hans>then i don't know
09:13<bobi1024>me too
09:13<bobi1024>that's why i need help
09:13<hans>that was good
09:14<TCW>boto what time did you set the BIOS?
09:14<hans>you have an sarcastic sense of humor
09:14<TCW>bobi1024, even
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09:15<bobi1024>the time in the BIOS is equal to the time after the system boots in
09:15<bobi1024>there is no difference
09:16<bobi1024>but i see that some system files are created with timestamp 2 hours ahead
09:16<TCW>bobi1024, what time is it right now at your side / country / timezone?
09:16<bobi1024>16:16 / Bulgaria / EET
09:17<TCW>bobi1024, what time is set in the BIOS?
09:17<hans>did you consider summer/winter time ?
09:17<TCW>bobi1024, and that is wrong
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09:17<bobi1024>hans, that is one of the possibilities
09:17<Onepamopa>hans the difference is 1 hour
09:17<TCW>bobi1024, at least it explains your 2hour difference
09:17<Onepamopa>not two
09:18<Onepamopa>bobi1024 try setting the RTC to run only in local time
09:18<dpkg>it has been said that utc is Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/ restart
09:18<babilen>almost the same procedure if you set your BIOS to local time, but who would do that? ;-)
09:18<TCW>bobi1024, on unix boxes the cmos / bios clock runs normally on UTC not local time, the unix knows in what timezone it is (the admin tells it) and it does the math
09:19<Onepamopa>babilen I would
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09:19<babilen>dual booting windows i assume?
09:19<Onepamopa>babilen yeah
09:19<babilen>the only valid reason ...
09:19<bobi1024>so i have to change the timezone to UTC
09:19<bobi1024>is that correct ?
09:19<TCW>bobi1024, no
09:20<TCW>bobi1024, DualBooting a non unix OS on that nox?
09:20<TCW>box even
09:20<babilen>bobi1024: no - you don't change your timezone, but you adapt /etc/default/rcS to reflect the fact that your hardware clock is *not* UTC
09:20<bobi1024>yes it is with dual boot
09:20<bobi1024>i get it
09:20<TCW>bobi1024, then follow babilens words
09:21<Onepamopa>babilen I dont use utc or eest, just local time
09:21<babilen>bobi1024: otherwise you add the UTC adjustment twice
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09:21<bobi1024>in the file /etc/default/rcS
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09:22<bobi1024>teh UTC is no
09:22<TCW>bobi1024, ?
09:22<bobi1024>the UTC is no
09:23<bobi1024>a suspect that that is the boolean expression for false
09:23<TCW>babilen, date; date -u, paste
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09:23<babilen>you have set your hardware clock to the local time and chose the right timezone? (dpkg-reconfigure tzdata)
09:23<piero>DOVE SCARICO PES 2010 PER PS2
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09:24<bobi1024>Sat Dec 26 16:23:22 EET 2009 / Sat Dec 26 14:23:24 UTC 2009
09:24<TCW>err... bobi1024 not babilen
09:24<babilen>piero: do you have a Debian related question?
09:24<TCW>bobi1024, so it is correct?
09:25<babilen>utc looks fine (+/- 1/2 minutes)
09:25<bobi1024>rather seconds
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09:25<bobi1024>yes it is fine
09:25<bobi1024>and tha is the problem
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09:26<bobi1024>that it looks fine
09:26<bobi1024>but is not
09:26<TCW>bobi1024, huh?
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09:26<bobi1024>is it possible a BIOS flash to do this damage
09:26<babilen>it looks fine, but it is not? what are you expecting?
09:26<TCW>bobi1024, _what_ damage?
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09:27<bobi1024>showing the right time, but using some other clock
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09:27<bobi1024>i'm so puzzeled already
09:28<hans>me too, i'm loosing context
09:28<TCW>bobi1024, huh? What is using the wrong time?
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09:28<hans>best to start over from the beginning
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09:29<TCW>bobi1024, touch /tmp/test; ls -l /tmp/test, paste
09:30<bobi1024>it will be created with the right timestamp
09:30<bobi1024>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-12-26 16:29 /tmp/test
09:30<TCW>looks fine, doesn't it?
09:30<TCW>bobi1024, but?
09:30<bobi1024>hwclock --localtime
09:31<bobi1024>gives Sat 26 Dec 2009 04:29:09 PM EET -0.734681 seconds
09:31<bobi1024>but when i cold boot the system
09:31<hans>are you using ntp ?
09:31<bobi1024>i get the error with the superblock
09:32<bobi1024>because it has been written two hours ahead from the current time
09:32<bobi1024>yes hans, i'm using ntp
09:32<bobi1024>more cold reboot, not boot :)
09:32<TCW>bobi1024, touch /forcefsck; reboot
09:33<hans>i would stop that first, get things right and then enable it again
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09:33<bobi1024>ok hans
09:33<bobi1024>i'll try this
09:33<TCW>bobi1024, create an empty file called "forcefsk" in every filesystems root
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09:34<bobi1024>yeah TCW, i saw the command line
09:34<bobi1024>but after that the PC will reboot
09:34<bobi1024>i will try it
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09:34<bobi1024>but with the hardware button reset
09:35<bobi1024>see you soon
09:35<babilen>bobi1024: hace you run /etc/init.d/ ?
09:35<chahibi>In 'testing', /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist. Is it normal? How can I edit my X11 configuration?
09:35<TCW>bobi1024, hw reset button?!
09:36<babilen>!tell chahibi -about xorg hal
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09:36<hans>am i the only one who is 100 percent confused now ?
09:36<babilen>chahibi: have a look at the wiki -> XStrikeForce
09:36<babilen>hans: no
09:37<bobi1024>TCW, yeah from the PC Case :)
09:37<TCW>chahibi, recent xorg does not need an xorg.conf anymore, but if you need one, create one, it will be used then
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09:37<TCW>bobi1024, without a proper power down ?
09:37<badzo>what is the difference in policy between debian lenny and squeeze?
09:37<badzo>about ntfs
09:37<TCW>badzo, policy about ntfs?
09:37<badzo>i could automatyically mont ntfs partitions from external drive in lenny
09:38<badzo>sorry for typos
09:38<chahibi>TCW: so xorg.conf is still the only way to configure Xorg?
09:38<babilen>chahibi: no
09:38<badzo>and now i have to give root's password
09:38<babilen>chahibi: you can configure it through hal. Have a look at what dpkg told you and read about it in the wiki (XStrikeForce)
09:39<hans>btw : where on an english keyboard is the percent sign ?
09:39<TCW>chahibi, if you NEED to change some xorg parameters, yes. But on most systems all is configured automatically in the right way
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09:40<TCW>chahibi, if you have a nvidia card and want to use the nvidia driver and not the 2D only nv driver, creating a simple xorg.conf is the way to go
09:40<TCW>for example
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09:41<chahibi>TCW: I want to fix the ugly gradients in the nv driver
09:41<babilen>chahibi: it's a combination of policy files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and /etc/X11/xorg.conf now
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09:42<bobi1024>it is not working
09:42<babilen>bobi1024: what is not working *exactly* ?
09:43<hans>bobi1024: how old is your pc ?
09:43<TCW>bobi1024, did you reset the box without a proper shutdown?
09:43<babilen>bobi1024: maybe the battery is out of power
09:43<bobi1024>the file /dev/ttyS0 is created in 2009-12-26 18:39
09:43<bobi1024>and now is 16:43
09:44<bobi1024>after i've run the script and adjusted the settings of the hwclock
09:44<bobi1024>TCW, i've executed "shutdown -hP now"
09:45<bobi1024>the PC is new
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09:45<hans>maybe the battery is low, that gives all kinds of strange errors and that's not a joke
09:45<bobi1024>if it was the battery
09:45<bobi1024>then the time will go copmpletely wrong
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09:46<bobi1024>10x for the help guys
09:46<bobi1024>i will keep searching in google
09:47<bobi1024>i will try to reset the BIOS first
09:47<bobi1024>with the jumpers or buy removing the battery
09:47<bobi1024>i will measure the voltage too
09:48<bobi1024>10x again
09:48<bobi1024>thanks ;)
09:48<bobi1024>old irc habit
09:48<bobi1024>i'm not so young any more
09:49<bobi1024>Merry Christmas too all
09:49<babilen>and ';)' is not a punctuation character AFAIK ;-)
09:49<babilen>bobi1024: merry christmas
09:49<chahibi>TCW: I finally fixed the ugly gradients by enabling the Fpdither option. But I had to use xorg.conf.
09:49<bobi1024>bye bye
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09:50<babilen>chahibi: that is a perfectly valid solution. Just because you *do not have to* use xorg.conf does not mean that you *should not*
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09:55<chahibi>babilen: honestly, the preferences.hdi was a bit frightening :)
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09:57<wifiproblem>I'm having trouble with setting up the wifi connection in (console)
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09:59<wifiproblem>strange thing is it works when installing with both cd1 en cd2 and using X (gnome) wirless network tool
09:59<wifiproblem>tried everything from /etc/network/interfaces to wpa_supplicant (using WPA2)
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10:03<hans>can someone please tell me how make the gnome-terminal use a german keyboard-layout ? i read the help, the man-page, googled for it -- in vain
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10:08<babilen>system->preferences->keyboard ?
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10:10<hans>that is good for the gnome-window-manager, but stopped working for fluxbox
10:10<babilen>hans: which debian version do you use?
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10:11<cahoot>hans: setxkbmap?
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10:11<hans>lenny, all updates installed
10:11<wifiproblem>where can I find the wlan configuration gnome uses? I can not get the console to work with the wlan (WPA2 security) while gnome within x can work with this. Tells me my card supports WPA2 just fine but I'd like to know what config gnome made for it to use the same for console use
10:11<babilen>hans: use setxkbmap then ..
10:13<hans>thanks i will try that
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10:13<babilen>or configure the keyboard in your xorg.conf
10:14<fgh>i want a small and simple way to be able to send emails from my debianbox commandline (maybe through my gmail-account?) what package/software should i look and read about?
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10:15<babilen>fgh: have a look at exim, and mail/mutt
10:16<babilen>fgh: you want exim to be configured in 'smarthost' mode and you can then send mails through your own mailserver with mail, mutt, ...
10:16<dpkg>A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server.
10:20<fgh>so. what i want is to be able to send emails localy on the system (breakins emailed to root etc) AND i want 'mail' (or maybe mutt) to be able to send mails using my gmail-account
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10:23<babilen>fgh: you can add an alias for the root mails to you user in /etc/aliases (if that has not been done already)
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10:25<fgh>it has and my local mailsystem works as i want. i get logs emailed to my useraccount so its ok, i just dont know how to be able to send public emails
10:26<babilen>fgh: as i said, configure exim to act as a smarthost and have it send the mails to your ISPs mailserver
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10:28<babilen>!exim4 reconfigure
10:28<dpkg>exim4 reconfigure is probably dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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10:31<metalqga>how can I read japanese, now all I see is boxes.... a few days ago I reconfigured the locales, added all the japanese locales listed, but still no luck... in the browser switch through all the possible japanese encodings....
10:32<chahibi>metalqga: Do you have japanese fonts installed,
10:32<babilen>metalqga: install some japanese fonts
10:32<metalqga>ohhh, :)
10:33<wifiproblem>need help on configuring Belkin 54G Wireless PCI card in console (Debian Lenny)
10:33<babilen>metalqga: start with xfonts-intl-japanese and have a look at some of the japanese ttf fonts (gothic, mincho, ...) I don't know much about Japanese, but there are some beautiful Chinese Fonts and I am sure you find a nice Japanese one too
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10:35<babilen>wifiproblem: could you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere ( for example)
10:36<babilen>!ops judd is not in the channel
10:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: judd is not in the channel
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10:37<azeem_>babilen: eh, so?
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10:37<babilen>i miss him
10:37<azeem_>bots have a maintainer
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10:37<azeem_>it's not like there's a /msg chanserv add judd #debian command for ops
10:37<wifiproblem>I'm not behind the system at this moment, it's a Belkin 54G Wireless PCI card with Ralink chip
10:37<wifiproblem>the system recognizes the card
10:38<metalqga>chahibi, babilen, thanks for the detailed help! I'll report when all is installed and tested!
10:38<babilen>azeem_: ok, sorry for the spam then. I already /msg stew, but I thought it might be another idea to ask other ops (they might have the necessary right to have judd rejoin)
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10:39<wifiproblem>it works under gnome because i can configure it there with a GUI, it says there it uses the rt2500pci driver
10:39<wifiproblem>I tried configuring it with wpa_supplicant using the wext driver
10:40<AnAnt>hello, I installed a package (using apt-get install) but I want to mark that package as a package that was installed to satisfy dependency, can I do that ?
10:40<cahoot>wifiproblem: so you want one setup for console and one for X (gnome)?
10:40<babilen>wifiproblem: and you can't get it to work with wpa_supplicant? Can you bring up the interface?
10:41<wifiproblem>yes, i can bring up the interface
10:41<wifiproblem>but it does not connect to my wifi network (tries to get address with DHCP but that fails 6 times after which it quits trying)
10:41<babilen>wifiproblem: Can you associate with an access point? What about a non encrypted one?
10:42<wifiproblem>I want it solely to work in console, the X was just for testing purposes
10:42<cahoot>wifiproblem: if gonem can do the job it must simply be a matter of configureing wpa-supplicant
10:42<babilen>wifiproblem: Have you configured /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf accordingly? (for example with a password for the network) ?
10:42<metalqga>success! thank you both very much!... I wonder how I couldn't guess it by myself though, sth so simple!!! ;)
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10:43<TIBS01>anyone tell me what a crc error is on kernel bootup ?
10:43<babilen>wifiproblem: Have a look at the documentation in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ and in the debian reference
10:43<wifiproblem>babilen: i did configure the network (although I called the conf wpa.conf inside /etc/wpa_supplicant, is that a problem
10:43<wifiproblem>I did in fact follow the documentation, also to convert my passphrase into hex
10:43<babilen>wifiproblem: that might just be the reason. rename that to wpa_supplicant.conf
10:43<jackyf>AnAnt: apt-mark markauto <package>
10:43<AnAnt>jackyf: thanks
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10:44<wifiproblem>Ok I'll try that...what is the preferred way to pass the key, passphrase or hex?
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10:44<babilen>wifiproblem: I am not sure how wpa_supplicant finds its configuration file, but wpa_supplicant.conf is the default
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10:45<wifiproblem>babilen: ok, what i did was point to my conf file in /etc/network/interfaces
10:45<wifiproblem>auto wlan0
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10:45<wifiproblem>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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10:45<wifiproblem>wpa-ssid networkname
10:45<babilen>wifiproblem: ok, that might work as well. Can you paste the applicable output of /var/log/daemon.log . Which kind of encryption does the network use?
10:46<cahoot>wifiproblem: IIRC one puts the plaintext phrase between quotes, the hex unquoted
10:46<wifiproblem>wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa.conf
10:46<wifiproblem>it uses WPA2 personal
10:46<babilen>wifiproblem: don't paste it in here, but on (the interfaces file might also be of interest along with you wpa_supplicant.conf (*without* the PASSWORDS))
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10:47<babilen>wifiproblem: and do what cahoot suggested. I never used the HEX and that might just be the issue. But we need the logs to determine that ...
10:47<wifiproblem>already I'll rename the conf file (to be sure) and point to that conf file
10:48<wifiproblem>I'll put the passphrase between quotes and try that
10:48<wifiproblem>as said, i'm not at home but I couldn't let go of the problem (kept me busy for two days now!)
10:48<wifiproblem>i've got some new leads thanks to you.... ;)
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10:51<wifiproblem>but, to be sure, the device should work just fine with the wext driver?
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10:52<babilen>wifiproblem: i would expect that. Have a look at the wpa_supplicant site as well
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11:32<Dean>I have 2 hard drives on my computer, old Compaq. I have identical installs on both HD's with boot loaders in each. The second HD doesn't have an option at boot. Can anyone help me?
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11:34<melsonmore>Are you using the BIOS to try to boot to the second hard drive?
11:35<melsonmore>Nevermind, I misunderstood the question.
11:35<Dean>It won't give me that option. The second hard drive shows up in the bios, but not in the boot order.
11:36<melsonmore>Are you using the GRUB bootloader?
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11:36<Dean>BTW, I'm using Debian based Mepis as the OS on both hd's.
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11:38<Dean>I can access, read and write, to the second HD from the 1st.
11:38<melsonmore>Although debian based distros aren't supported in this channel, I can try to help you out in a private chat if you like
11:38<Dean>Please do, Sir.
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12:12<hans>babilen, cahoot: setxkbmap worked, now i'm completely happy with debian. Thank you very much !
12:13<locklace>!congratulate hans
12:13<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies hans, you did it!
12:15<hans>have a nice day, bye
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12:31<dpkg>Yes, bzed, you are online.
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12:40<star>some one uses ktechlab?
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12:41<babilen>star: I would think so. At least the developer might use it.
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12:42<babilen>star: But you seem to have a specific problem you want to solve. Tell us about it
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13:22<SQlvpapir>how do I chroot to an armel platform from a amd64 host?
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13:24<ao2>SQlvpapir, an amd64 kernel won't support armel binaries. You could use an armel kernel and qemu, for example
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13:26<SQlvpapir>ao2, quemulator only shows arm, not armel. any hints?
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13:27<ao2>arm, that's it
13:28<SQlvpapir>oh, I was told there is a difference :s
13:28<SQlvpapir>as in two different architectures
13:28<ao2>there is indeed, but it's not hardware-wise AFAIK
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13:29<ao2>but I might be wrong
13:29<Kalleo>who is debian?
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13:30<ao2>Kalleo, deb-ian are two people actually :P
13:30<SQlvpapir>Kalleo, its actually two persons. Debra and Ian
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13:31<Kalleo>what is this server about?
13:31<ao2>SQlvpapir, arm is the architecture, armel is the debain port to arm which use a particular instruction format supported by arm called EABI. Please someone corrects me if this is not accurate.
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13:32<ao2>SQlvpapir, so from qemu point of view, arm is what matters
13:33<Kalleo>hmm do you know where i can find palm pre support?
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13:34<ao2>Kalleo on google you should find several tutorials about using debian on Pre
13:35<babilen>Kalleo: webos internals
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13:35<Kalleo>are you all using palm pre?
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13:36<babilen>yes, the whole #debian channel was given free pres from palm yesterday.
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13:37<Kalleo>im serious
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13:39<ao2>Kalleo, Debian is a general linux operating system, for any kind of device. It's just that it it used _also_ on Pre.
13:39<ao2>s/it it/it is/
13:40<Kalleo>can i listen to flac on debian?
13:40<ao2>I bet you can
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13:56<sney>Lately, every time ldconfig runs, it outputs this:
13:57<sney>I'm wondering if this could break anything, and/or if those supposedly empty files are safe to delete.
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14:01<Kalleo>what is chroot?
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14:02<babilen>!tell Kalleo -about chroot
14:03<sney>my wife will be happy. I got WoW working under wine.
14:03<ao2>Kalleo, ask google first it has higher quality answers
14:03<babilen>sney: move them somewhere else and see what happens. My feeling tells me that you can safely delete them ..
14:04<babilen>sney: hoorray for wifes! \o/
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14:04<Kalleo>can i rly play flac on my pre with devian on it?
14:06<babilen>Kalleo: why don't you head over to #webos{,-internals}@freenode and ask there. And yes you might be able to play flac, given that the processor is able to handle the load. And please learn how to type. Your 'really' is frequently missing letters.
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14:17<myung>how do i read korean in debian?
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14:17<myung>all i see is squares :SSS
14:17<babilen>myung: You have to install korean fonts
14:17<myung>where how?
14:17<myung>i installed korean support iceweasel in synaptic
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14:18<myung>also scim-bridge
14:18<myung>i can type korean but i cant see it :SSS
14:18<myung>all i see is boxes :///
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14:20<babilen>myung: run "aptitude search ~nttf~dkorean" - you will find some fonts with that like baekmuk or unfonts. there might more ...
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14:20<myung>so i sudo apt-get install all of em?
14:20<myung>or is one enough?
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14:22<babilen>it should be enough to "aptitude install ttf-baekmuk" for example. But I know nothing about Korean fonts. You have to have a look for yourself. I could suggest a couple of nice chinese ones though.
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14:23<myung>dont need chinese lol
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14:24<babilen>myung: you probably want to install xfonts-baekmuk too. run "aptitude search ~dfont~dkorean" as well
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14:25<myung>YES IT WORKS!
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14:25<myung>thx man!
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14:27<babilen>no problem. 안녕
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14:30<luizpaulo_>ALGUEM PODE ME AJUDAR
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14:30<dpkg>rumour has it, po is Piss Off or Post Office
14:30<babilen>err ..
14:30<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:31<myung>!kr ?
14:31<dpkg>kr is probably Korea (South)
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14:54<sb51g>hallo kann nur deutsch
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14:56<sb51g>kan nur deutsch
14:56<alienux>ich spreche nicht zehr gut deutsch
14:56<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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14:59<sb51g>kann den niemand mir ihn deutsch helfen __
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15:00<sb51g>warum mag niemand mit mir deutsch reden ___
15:00<flower>how to search/load for an mga module?
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15:01<flower>in the kernel?
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15:05<skreet>trying to configure pulseaudio in unstable per to have combined output to two alsa devices. says add-autoload-sink is not a valid command. does anyone know if this has been removed, and what the new 'correct' way of accomplishing this is?
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15:17<flower>how do I build mga-vid kernel module?
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15:21<chron>is it possible to mount a differnt filesystem to the current root partition?
15:21<chron>root filesystem*
15:22<skreet>chron: for what purpose? usually you can't remount an in-use filesystem except for remounting the same filesystem read-only
15:23<chron>what i'm really trying to do is make changes done to / done somewhere else, to like a tmpfs
15:23<chron>like how a livecd would
15:23<locklace>chron: man pivot_root
15:24<chron>ah that might be it
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15:30<xxtjaxx>Hidiho Just distupgraded to sid and xorg isnt working what could be the reason for xorg to say no screens found
15:31<locklace>!broken in sid
15:31<dpkg>well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. see sid
15:31<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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15:32<chron>except pivot_root is saying device or resource busy
15:32<chron>any other ways to mount something to current / or making /'s changes go to a tmpfs?
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15:35<flower>how do I build mga-vid kernel module?
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16:12<dpkg>mga is probably Matrox drivers are at Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
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16:51<devicenull>i have a debian 4.0 cd, but I want to install the current version of testing.. Is it possible to do that with the cd, even though it's not the right cd?
16:51<devicenull>I'm out of cdr's atm, so I cant just burn a new one
16:52<locklace>it's possible, though not optimal
16:52<locklace>dpkg: tell devicenull about etch->lenny
16:52<locklace>dpkg: tell devicenull about lenny->squeeze
16:52<devicenull>yea.. I tried that yesterday and it screwed up my box
16:53<devicenull>well, etch->lenny did
16:53<locklace>then you borked up the instructions
16:53<devicenull>nah it got to doing the networkmanager upgrade
16:53<devicenull>and somehow that killed my ssh session
16:53<devicenull>which prevented the upgrade from finishing
16:54<locklace>that's why you run things in screen if you're coming in over the net
16:54<devicenull>yea.. the instructions didnt say that, and I didnt think about it
16:55<devicenull>plus I figured my lan connection to it wasnt going to die
16:55<simNIX>devicenull, it may be overkill compared to getting more cds but you cuold pxe load a setup over the network ->
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16:55<simNIX>(same steps for Debian)
16:55<devicenull>yea I've done that before, and it took a lot of fiddling to get right
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17:17<devicenull>my install has frozen at 5%
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17:43<sixtila>crontab just playing around - 39 * * * * /usr/lib/firefox
17:43<sixtila>but doesnt execute
17:46<ml|>sixtila: man 5 crontab
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17:51<Gathond>sixtila: that is unlikely to work directly from crontab, as the shell running cron is unlikely to have any access to the variables/display of the running X
17:51<Gathond>sixtila: so it probably does execute it, but termintates immediately with an error
17:52<Gathond>sixtila: if /usr/lib/firefox is even a binary which can execute directly
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17:56<sixtila>yea, thanks
17:56<ml|>sixtila: you should receive mail with the error
17:56<sixtila>how do i see my mail?
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17:57<ml|>the sysmtem will let you know when you are using a terminal, but type mail
17:57<sixtila>i m not in a server, its just my machine
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17:58<ml|>doesn't matter
17:58<sixtila>i dont have mail installed then , which is good
17:59<ml|>nothing happened when you typr mail?
17:59<sixtila>nop, i m in ubuntu- maybe so
18:00<sixtila>it offreed me install
18:00<ml|>that seems weird, ask in #ubuntu then
18:01<sixtila>they are just too busy ppl, i like hanging around here
18:01<sixtila>yesterday i tried so hard to make debian work
18:01<sixtila>just frustrated
18:01<sixtila>finally switched to ubuntu
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18:02<ml|>that's fine but ubuntu is not debian so any help you get here, will most likely not help you
18:02<sixtila>aint ubuntu based in debian?
18:02<ml|>!based on debian
18:02<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
18:04<babilen>sixtila: uh? what went wron?
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18:04<dmoerner>i have deb-src lines for both sid and lenny in my /etc/apt/sources.list. is there a way to only pin sid source packages below lenny source packages?
18:04<sixtila>babilen i messed up with grub again
18:04<sixtila>couldn't get anything back
18:04<babilen>sixtila: Why did you not come here and ask? It is actually pretty easy to fix
18:04<ml|>dmoerner: bad to mix releases
18:05<sixtila>u werent there, and just got tired!
18:05<babilen>sixtila: You can ask the channel. Or the one on freenode
18:05<ml|>dmoerner: oh duh sources only?
18:06<sixtila>babilen i think i wanna try dual boot with debian and ubuntu
18:06<sixtila>i wanted to work with debian
18:07<sixtila>right now my sda has just one partition - the ubuntu one - should I make another partiotion now or will debian install do that?
18:07<babilen>you deleted debian?
18:07<sixtila>had to! couldnt get it back!
18:07<sixtila>man, i got the cd!
18:07<babilen>couldn't get what back?
18:07<sixtila>i can still go for it!
18:07<sixtila>the boot
18:07<sixtila>i couldnt get to either deb or Ubu
18:07<babilen>you booted debian just fine yesterday
18:08<sixtila>then i tried playing with grub to see if i could get the ubunut also boot up- just playing
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18:08<sixtila>and messed up badly!
18:08<sixtila>babile, so should i partition my sda now ? or during install?
18:08<babilen>head over to freenode and ask there - after the debian install. It's easy to have both supported. You basically need to install grub-pc on Debian (grub2 - ubuntu uses that) and voila
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18:09<ml|>dmoerner: /msg dpkg pinning <-- might help, dunno if you can do that with sources
18:09<devicenull>old installers mean I need to drop to the console and import the keys for apt manually
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18:09<babilen>sixtila: the problem is that Debian stable uses grub 1 and that won't work with Ubuntu's grub2 IIRC
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18:10<sixtila>babilen how can i get to the other debian channel from xchat?
18:10<ml|>sixtila: if you want to play use vbox
18:10<babilen>sixtila: So you can either: (i) install grub2 (grub-pc) on debian and use that or (ii) chroot to Ubuntu and install grub2 from there
18:10<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
18:11<babilen>sixtila: the process is more or less the same from Debian (modulo the Cd booting and console switching)
18:11<sixtila>babilen i wanna go for another try!
18:11<babilen>you can easily chroot into your ubuntu system and install grub from there ...
18:11<sixtila>i couldnt access ubuntu either!
18:12<babilen>just give it another try! and don't delete your working install the next time ;-)
18:12<sixtila>ya, ok, my bad
18:12<sixtila>should i partition now or will the install do it
18:12<babilen>whatever you like ...
18:12<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i've installed "bittorrent-gui" package and it's not displaying in internet label when i go to: Applications>Internet>?, can anyone help me plz
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18:13<babilen>i'm away now .. ask here or in freenode (which is more active now) good luck and have fun
18:13<sixtila>during the install when it asks for partition--> i do manual--> then i cant figure out how to select a partition-->it says no root selected or smth like that
18:14<babilen>sixtila: and i am sure that your chat client can connect to more than one server, so you don't have to use the iPod
18:16<ml|>sixtila: this should help ...
18:17<babilen>sixtila: just replace every 'apt-get' with 'aptitude'
18:17<babilen>ml|: nice guide. thanks for pointing that out
18:17<ml|>np and yes I'd use aptitude as well
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18:19<sixtila>so must there be a free space to install debian in?
18:19<sixtila>cant i select anyother partition which is not free?
18:20<sixtila>say i already had a partion sda3, how do i use it
18:20<ml|>nice/wow grub-pc is in lenny
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18:21<babilen>ml|: yes \o/
18:21<ml|>sixtila: yes you need free space
18:21<sixtila>that was so confusing! thanks
18:21<babilen>... and no: you can just use a partition that *you don't need anymore* and format that
18:22<babilen>like the one you installed debian on yesterday
18:22<sixtila>my sda1 now has 286 gig - during installation can i resize it into two parts?
18:22<sixtila>and used debian in the second half?
18:22<ml|>sixtila: you need to start all over if you don't have free space and partition accordingly
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18:23<sixtila>OH NO!
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18:23<sixtila>u mean i have to rub off everything from sda1 and install debian into it?
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18:24<babilen>sixtila: you can resize the partitions. use a gparted boot CD to do so. That *might* fuck your partition though (unlikely but possible)
18:24<ml|>and dual booting can be tricky depending on the linux distros used
18:24<babilen>ml|: ubuntu <-> debian
18:24*sixtila is getting scared
18:25<]V[4F>hey, i used an usb-sound apapter for a while and now i want to use my internal soundcard again, but in mpd it's not working, it always says "problems opening audio device".. can anyone help me?
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18:25<babilen>sixtila: no need to be scared. It might also happen that a boeing door breaks loose and hits you while you cross the street ...
18:26<ml|>yeah you can try resizing, but I'd start all over and do it right if you want to dual boot
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18:26<sixtila>can i resize without deleting ubuntu?
18:26<sixtila>without having to reinstall it
18:26<babilen>sure - that's the point of resizing
18:26<ml|>since the ubuntu install is so new
18:26<babilen>but ditch ubuntu ;-)
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18:27<ml|>resizing can work, but imho it will be a waste of time
18:28<sixtila>alright - here i go
18:28<sixtila>i will put the debian cd in
18:28<babilen>and yes: it takes time
18:28<]V[4F>is noone able to help me?
18:28<sixtila>i will be in the freenode room now,
18:29<sixtila>if dual boot occours then ok, else i will ditch ubuntu!
18:29<ml|>]V[4F: pastebin your mpd.conf
18:29<]V[4F>just the alsa-stuff?
18:29<babilen>]V[4F: i am soon offline. If you want to help yourself, 'lspci -nn' -> get the pciid of your card, then /msg judd pciid PCIID ... also ask dpkg about alsa
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18:30<babilen>ml|: have fun
18:30<ml|>heh later
18:31<ml|>judd is awol atm ;)
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18:32<babilen>ml|: i know. you can still /query the bot though. Seems like stew is busy with family and christmas
18:34<]V[4F>ml|: that's the part of the mpd.conf for alsa..
18:34<ml|>babilen: I did a while back but got no responce
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18:35<ml|>]V[4F: yes I saw try ...
18:35<ml|>restart mpd after ;)
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18:35<babilen>ml|: right - it was still there yesterday. ah well ... #debian@OFTC is falling apart
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18:36<]V[4F>ml|: doesn't work, even though i restarted mpd :/
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18:38<ml|>]V[4F: seems you need to do something with alsa, but I can't help there since I've never had sound issues try what babilen suggested /msg dpkg alsa
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18:39<ml|> and /msg dpkg alsa-checklist
18:39<]V[4F>i know i had to change something in the mpd.conf, but i can't remember what it was :/
18:40<ml|>with what i suggested it should use your alsa device
18:40<]V[4F>well, it seems to want to use the usb-adapter
18:41<ml|>right, why you need to look into alsa
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18:42<ml|>]V[4F: and I would leave it like I suggested anyways and let alsa crontol that for you
18:43<]V[4F>it didn't work with the usb-adapter until i changed the mpd.conf
18:43<]V[4F>it's just mpd what's not working
18:43<]V[4F>everything working just fine
18:43<]V[4F>*everything else
18:44<ml|>yeah, but still look into alsa
18:44<]V[4F>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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18:44<]V[4F>i don't know what that means..
18:44<dpkg>dmix is probably an ALSA subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See or another sample asound.conf at or
18:45<]V[4F>ah, i think now i know what i have to change
18:45<]V[4F>i'll try
18:45<ml|>good luck
18:46<ml|>I don't use dmix either ;)
18:50<]V[4F>now it's working :)
18:50<]V[4F>thank you!
18:50<ml|>dmix thing huh?
18:51<]V[4F>if there's no card 1.. ;)
18:51<ml|>!congratulate ]V[4F
18:51<dpkg>Woohoo ]V[4F, you did it!
18:51<]V[4F>thank you
18:51<ml|>np, glad you got it working :)
18:51<]V[4F>yeah, me too
18:52<ml|>]V[4F: did you change mpd.conf from what I suggested?
18:52<TCW>ml|, you do not use dmix? why?
18:52<]V[4F>it was the asound.conf
18:52<ml|>]V[4F: ok just curious
18:53<]V[4F>i think with the mpd.conf it should run with both..
18:53<TCW>but afaics dmix is default on debian anyway
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18:53<ml|>]V[4F: what do you mean?
18:53<]V[4F>with both, the internal soundcard and the usb-adapter
18:54<]V[4F>it's just the asound.conf i have to change
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18:56<ml|>TCW: hmm, dmix is working here, iirc it was not so something must had changed sometime and I just watch or play one thing at a time ;)
18:57<TCW>ml|, so you just don't mind? :)
18:58<ml|>TCW: nope as long it does mess my sound up :)
18:58<ml|>*does not
18:58<TCW>a Desktop without dmix or a card that has a hw mixer... I couldn't live with it :)
18:59<ml|>heh why?
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19:00<ml|>]V[4F: I still don't understand what you mean by ... < ]V[4F> i think with the mpd.conf it should run with both..
19:00<]V[4F>well, nevermind ;)
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19:00<TCW>ml|, well... nowadys one is used to multitasking, so multiple apps are running and at least several use sound to "annoy" the user, I want to have that annoyance even while watching a movie or listening to music :)
19:01<ml|>]V[4F: ok, but I would like to understand and might be helpful to others on your fix
19:01<ml|>TCW: hah, enjoy :)
19:02<]V[4F>well, i just meant that i don't have to change the mpd.conf to switch between the usb-adapter and the internal sound
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19:03<ml|>yes, if you leave it like I suggested
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19:03<]V[4F>that's what i meant..
19:03<TCW>ml|, and I don't want to close apps when I want to use another one. For example, I would have to close the iceweasel completeley if sound was used there once (flash stuff, youtube,, ehatever) if I want to use the sounddevice for something else.
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19:04<ml|>]V[4F: ok, got it I report that a while back seems that devs don't agree or whatever
19:04<ml|>*reported a bug
19:05<ml|>TCW: don't think you need to close the app, just stop the sound
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19:06<teage>can anyone help with the make command
19:06<TCW>ml|, that really depends on the application, with flash you can bet it does not release the sound device while paused or stopped.
19:07<ml|>teage: just ask
19:07<teage>thank you
19:07<teage>i am getting this error
19:07<teage>its telling me
19:08<teage>no make file
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19:08<teage>how do i get a make file
19:08<TCW>teage, what exactly are you trying to do there?
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19:08<teage>brb sorry
19:09<ml|>are you in the right dir? and TCW asked
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19:13<ml|>TCW: yes that makes sense app depended, btw I'm not your typical user ;)
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19:14<teage>teage@teage-desktop:~$ cd pykeylogger-1.0.5
19:14<teage>teage@teage-desktop:~/pykeylogger-1.0.5$ make
19:14<teage>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
19:14-!-teage was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:14<ml|>kinda knew that was coming
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19:14<teage>thats what i get
19:15<teage>when i try make
19:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:15<teage>what is pastebinit?
19:16<ml|>and nice pastebin app, I use it abd like it a lot
19:16<babilen>teage: most python packages are not installed/compiled with make, but with something like 'python install --prefix=/usr/local' or so .. have a look at the python documentation and the distribution README
19:16<babilen>ml|: the code is *horrible* though
19:16<teage>it figures
19:17<babilen>teage: is there a in the directory?
19:17<ml|>babilen: heh, works fine tho and there are others ;)
19:17<teage>well the python install may be a bit too advanced for me right now
19:17<babilen>ml|: what is a good alternative?
19:17<teage>i downloaded
19:17<teage>and moved to my home dir
19:18<teage>i followed the directions as it stated
19:18<teage>but to no avail
19:18<babilen>teage: just paste the content of that pykeylogger (is that what i think it is?) directory
19:19<teage>im not sure i am following you babilen
19:19<teage>hang on one sec
19:19<babilen>teage: you should have a file named '' in that pykeylogger directory ... you can install pykeylogger to '/usr/local' with the command i gave you above
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19:20<babilen>on second thought - i will not help you to install a keylogger
19:20<TCW>babilen, liitle bit late, huh? :)
19:20<teage>python install --prefix=/usr/local
19:20<teage>thats the command you suggest
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19:21<teage>its ok babilen
19:21<babilen>!comfort babilen
19:21<dpkg>There, there, babilen. It's OK. I'm here for you.
19:21<teage>i do not have bad intensions
19:21<teage>i am just wanting to learn
19:21<teage>i caould use a distro such as backtrack
19:22<teage>if i wanted too
19:22<teage>i want to know how to install this from scratch
19:22<teage>is all
19:23<ml|>babilen: like wgetpaste not in debian tho, there is another I have used can't remember atm
19:23<teage>i have tried that
19:23<teage>i get a website suggestions page
19:23<teage>i do not think the site is there anymore
19:24<teage>thank for you help though
19:24<babilen>ml|: alright, but pastebinit is working. There are just some WTF? parts in that code ...
19:24<babilen>teage: the page is there - for sure. You can also go to python directly
19:24<babilen>teage: but i already gave you the command
19:24<ml|>heh, is what at use now
19:25<teage>i have the command
19:25<teage>i am trying it as we type
19:26<ml|>I wonder what teage will use a key logger for ;0
19:26<babilen>spying on those pesty kids
19:26<teage>thats right
19:26<babilen>and i helped you
19:27<TCW>babilen, idiot! :p
19:27<babilen>!lart babilen
19:27*dpkg decapitates babilen conan the destroyer style
19:27<teage>its my computer right?
19:27<teage>i mean
19:27<teage>if i want to know what goes on with it,
19:27<TCW>teage, so what?
19:27<teage>do i not have the right?
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19:28<ml|>teage: not to spy on others, there is a thing called privacy
19:28<teage>not when you are 10yrs
19:28<babilen>It basically boils down to trust. At least tell your children that you are running a keylogger and respect their privacy
19:28<ml|>teage: does not matter the age trust
19:28<TCW>teage, free and open folks using free and open software have faith, trust abd knwo a great deal about *privacy* even for kids, even if they do illegal stuff, even if they watch porn, even if they are about to destroy our world.
19:29<teage>i think that is a little over the board tcw
19:29<teage>i do agree with you though
19:29<TCW>teage, it is the priciple that counts
19:29<bremner>is there a good console based music client that uses libgpod? I found podtool but it hasn't been updated for three years
19:29<teage>to a certain extent
19:30<teage>its not my children that i dont trust
19:30<babilen>Talk with them about them, whhy you have problems letting them use your computer. Teach them how to use the interner in a responsible way. Show them how to use it. Teach them netiquette, ... and trust them
19:30<teage>its everyone else
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19:31<inzo>you don't trust them to put in their email passwords?
19:31<TCW>teage, I know that fathers and mothers tend to be over-protective, so I don't blame you in general, but the fact remains the same spying on your kids is just utterly wrong.
19:31<ml|>!win babilen
19:31<dpkg>Congratulations, babilen! You have won the US presidency!
19:31<TCW>teage, not even your own kids?!
19:32<ml|>that makes it even worse
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19:32<TCW>ml|, at least now we can blame him :)
19:32<teage>i am having second thoughts as how good a father i am now
19:33<teage>thanks guys
19:33<ml|>just think about what you are doing
19:33<babilen>teage: Seriously. They will have to learn to handle things like the internet with everything that entails. Tell them about your fears and problems and just be a good example.
19:33<ml|>TCW: what do you mean?
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19:34<teage>i will hold off on this just cause.
19:34<ml|>blame who?
19:34<teage>but i will have it installed
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19:34<teage>just incase
19:34<teage>cause you make sense
19:34<teage>but at the same time
19:34<ml|>heh. 'just incase' ;)
19:34<babilen>teage: And what will you do if your keylogger logged some 'suspicious' activity? You will have to talk to them eventually and I just think that you should do that *before* anyhting bad happened
19:34<babilen>teage: And *never ever* read their email!
19:35<teage>like i said
19:35<teage>i trust my children
19:35<TCW>ml|, I said to him as I thought he was talking about his own kids, that I don't blame him in general as I *know* fathers and mothers tend to be over-protective when it comes to their kids.. no that it is not about his kids.... BLAME HIM! :)
19:35<ml|>babilen: agreed on all points :)
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19:35<teage>its everyone else
19:35<teage>there are crazy ppl out there
19:35<TCW>teage, if it is installed it will be used, that is a fact, most certainly.
19:35<ml|>TCW: ah
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19:36<TCW>That's how humans work. If it is available it is used.
19:36<ml|>teage: don't let them use your computer?
19:36<teage>its like i said before
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19:36<teage>i dont really need to install this
19:36<babilen>teage: Yes, but you spying on your kids will not change that. They will have to deal with that by themselves. And you can be a good example and give advice on how to do that.
19:36<teage>there are other alternatives to be used
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19:37<teage>this mostly a learning point
19:37<ml|>teage: you are missing the point
19:37<teage>do you have children?
19:37<TCW>teage, that question sucks :)
19:38<ml|>no, does not matter; I either trust or I don't
19:38<teage>because i am wondering if you know where i am comming from.
19:39<TCW>teage, as we ALL were children (some of us still are *g*) so we know a great deal about that.
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19:39<ml|>teage: so you watch your kids all the time?
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19:39<teage>i may be a little over protective.
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19:39<ml|>anyways this needs to move to #debian-offtopic NOW
19:39<teage>but still
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19:40<teage>thanks ppl
19:40<teage>have a good day
19:40<sixtila>debian install finished
19:40<sixtila>now ow do i make it dual boot with ubuntu
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19:41<sixtila>currently , in ubuntu
19:41<babilen>teage: The point is that your children need to learn to be responsible for themselves. And showing them their borders and their reliabilities is a much better approach then 'watching' them. They will do bad stuff ... Hell: The fun I had when i sneaked down into the TV room when i was twelve to watch some sexy clips ... That will happen. and it's normal.
19:41<sixtila>babilen, successfuly installed deb in 2 tries
19:42<ml|>don't remove it this time ;)
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19:42<sixtila>i wont
19:42<sixtila>i know my mistake atleast
19:43<sixtila>so the MBR could have only 1 at a time
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19:43<sixtila>and the other was hidden all the time
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19:43<sixtila>so ubuntu has grub2 installed in the mbr, how do i make debian bootable now
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19:44<TCW>sixtila, does os-prober do the trick?
19:44<ml|>!dual boot guide
19:44<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of linux, xp and vista can be found at . The guide covers both windows and linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>. See for an ISO image to help fix up GRUB problems.
19:44<sixtila>lemme see
19:44<sixtila>success /dev/sda3:Debian GNU/Linux (5.0.3):Debian:linux
19:45<ml|>but ubuntu is not installed yet
19:45<sixtila>i m in ubuntu
19:46<sixtila>should i paste the /boot/grub/grub.cfg in ubuntu?
19:46<sixtila>it is grub 2 in ubu
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19:46<ml|>yes since you are doing it from ubbuntu
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19:47<sixtila>yesterday i had played with it also
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19:47<sixtila>i had gotten to a point that it showed both, but only one worked
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19:48<sixtila>do u need to see the /boot/grub/menu.lst from deb?
19:48<ml|>I can't help I don't dual boot, good luck
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19:49<TCW>sixtila, only one bootmanager needed... but beware taht you need to do ANY changes on ONE bootmanager and that must be the one you actually use.
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19:49<ml|>keep in mind grub.cfg should not be edited by hand
19:49<sixtila>really! i did it yestrerday lol
19:49<TCW>sixtila, so basically, grub1 on debian is not needed at all. Change your grub2 config withing ubuntu and off you go
19:49<sixtila>i want able to edit it anyway, so i deleted and made my own copy
19:50<TCW>sixtila, you sound like a true ubuntu user *sigh*
19:50<ml|>sixtila: you can but _should_not_
19:50<sixtila>TCW ya, but i need some help, i already messed up so bad
19:50<ml|>sixtila: since you are in ubuntu ask in #ubuntu
19:51<TCW>sixtila, see? That's what happens when you go with the ubuntu-attitude, you mess things up!
19:51<sixtila>so i m trying to learn debian
19:51<sixtila>i guess
19:52<TCW>you did not a good job until now there...
19:52<ml|>that's fine, but you are using ubuntu atm
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19:52<sixtila>hehe, i cant boot to debian yet
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19:53<ml|>sixtila: when using ubuntu ask in #ubuntu when using debian ask here or in freenode #debian
19:53<sixtila>c'mon guys i like this channel
19:54<ml|>they are not the same tho
19:54<sixtila>babilen , u know abt dual boot ubuntu and deb?
19:56<babilen>not sure how grub2 works on Ubuntu though - so asking in #ubuntu might be a good idea. IIRC you have to run update-grub
19:56<sixtila>okay, i will try , thanks
19:58<babilen>guess you'll have to add a menu entry for debian though
19:58<sixtila>i tried doing in yesterday
19:58<babilen>use os-prober to generate that
19:58<sixtila>looks a little more subtle
19:59<sixtila>/dev/sda3:Debian GNU/Linux (5.0.3):Debian:linux
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20:00<babilen>!grub2 config
20:00<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki)
20:01<babilen>so, run update-grub now and you are done
20:01<ml|>has grub2 docs gotten any better?
20:01<TCW>ml|, I'd say, generally there are none :)
20:02<sixtila>wow, so many errors
20:02<sixtila>but looks like done
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20:02<ml|>TCW: heh, there are some but you have to look far an wide
20:03<sixtila>i have a feeling it is done
20:03<babilen>me too
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20:03<sixtila>see, nobody even responded in ubuntu - and u seem to have solved the problem!
20:03<sixtila>lemme boot now!
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20:05<ml|>any bets? ;)
20:05<babilen>it'll work
20:06<ml|>I don't understand why have ubuntu if you want to learn debian
20:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 345] by debhelper
20:07<babilen>the sad thing is, that i helped him with the wireless and skype yesterday on his Debian install and he managed to fuck the MBR and *deletes* the debian install
20:07<ml|>yeah, will have to redo that ;(
20:07<ml|>hopefully he remembers and does not ask you again
20:08<babilen>I have the strange feeling that exactly that will happen
20:08<ml|>hehe yes by the look of things
20:09<ml|>he should really ask the channel so as not to single you out
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20:12<babilen>yes, but i can deal with that
20:12<ml|>ok, just saying
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20:13<babilen>i realy hope that teage thinks a little about what we told him ... I really do not feel good about that. Should have realised a little bit earlier what I was helping him with
20:14<ml|>babilen: it happens, just remember key logger=bad ;)
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20:14<teage>works like a charm. ;)
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20:15<benji_>Hi, Can I run a command which is more than 4096 characters long?
20:15<ml|>had too come back and tell us huh ;P
20:15<teage>couldnt resist
20:15<ml|>we see that
20:15<teage>thanx plenty
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20:16<ml|>wow 0_0
20:16<babilen>teage: think about it
20:16<ml|>he left
20:17<benji_>2nd question : is it possible to have the 'ps' command to show more than 4096 characters?
20:17<ml|>benji_: what are you trying to do/run?
20:18<benji_>ml|, well I m just running a java app
20:18<benji_>the classpath is very long
20:18<benji_>and I m trying to get it using ps
20:19<ml|>ok, I have no idea
20:19<babilen>benji_: start the program with a shell script
20:20<chahibi>benji_: symbolically link to all the packages you need in a directory, and add only this new directory to your classpath. Just a workaround though.
20:20<babilen>benji_: and complain to the devs for letting you type 4096 characters every time you want to use their program ;-)
20:20<babilen>chahibi: or adjust your CLASSPATH accordingly
20:20<chahibi>babilen: yeah
20:21<ml|>yeah that alot of characters
20:21<benji_>babilen, I am the dev
20:21<benji_>it is the way java works
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20:21<chahibi>java works?
20:21<benji_>chahibi, dont be lame
20:22<xlotlu_>benji_: cat /proc/$pid/cmdline
20:22<benji_>xlotlu_, it has the same 4096 limit
20:22<ml|>don't use java ;)
20:22<xlotlu_>oh well
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20:23<benji_>I take babilen option (proxy script), thanks guys
20:23<babilen>yeah, take the babilen option (sounds like some evil cold war thing)
20:23<benji_>it is
20:24<ml|>babilen: you did it again :)
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20:24<benji_>but at some point you just need a solution (just 4 debug though)
20:24<benji_>I cant go againt a core linux limitation
20:25<beginner>Hi guys
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20:27<babilen>benji_: what does 'getconf ARG_MAX' give you?
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20:29<benji_>"the limit is hard-coded in the kernel to PAGE_SIZE in fs/proc/base.c"
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20:32<beginner>I have a problem with "avant windows navigator"
20:32<babilen>beginner: ok
20:32<beginner>I've tried to open it, but it doen't work!!!
20:32<beginner>I reset my system and still not working
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20:33<beginner>I use debian
20:33<beginner>however, it looks pretty much like Mac now!
20:33<babilen>benji_: Why don't you adjust your CLASSPATH?
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20:34<benji_>babilen, java automatically expands your classpath wildcards in the command line
20:34<benji_>if you have a lot of librairies you have a long command line
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20:36<babilen>benji_: yes, i know. Can't you just export a suitable CLASSPATH that contains some of the classes from your program so you don't have to specify them?
20:36<babilen>sorry, been a while since i last coded in java
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20:37<babilen>beginner: do you had a look at the bug reports? also paste the output of 'apt-cache policy avant-window-navigator' and the error you get when you start it from the command line
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20:39<beginner>this is my output
20:39<ml|>use a pastebin
20:40<ml|> /msg -OFTC dpkg pastebin
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20:41<babilen>looks good - and the error?
20:41<beginner>no error, but it is not loaded
20:42<beginner>I mean, I checked it in system monitor and it is there, but the bar is hidden
20:43<beginner>what do you call the bar at the bottom of the screen?
20:43<beginner>command bar or status bar
20:44<babilen>beginner: you might have to configure it. I never used that program, so i can not help you with it.
20:44<beginner>ok :(
20:45<babilen>beginner: have a look at the documentation (if any) in /usr/share/doc/avant-window-navigator
20:45<babilen>beginner: or search for it ..
20:45<beginner>ok, ty
20:46<babilen>good luck
20:46<beginner>thanks dude
20:46<babilen>and $searchengine is your friend
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21:28<BH_>are there anybody???
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21:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:04<Deviouz>can anyone help me install lenny?
22:05<kop>Deviouz: What's the problem?
22:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
22:05<Deviouz>I tryed it twice with 2 different graphics cards but it doesnt boot into gnome, it just kinda freezes
22:06<kop>Deviouz: Kinda?
22:06<Deviouz>yes first it doesnt boot into gnome, so I must type startx, and then when it try to lode the graphics it freezes
22:07<kop>Deviouz: How do you know it's frozen?
22:07<Deviouz>I can move the mouse but nothing more happends
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22:07<kop>Deviouz: Grey screen with an X on it?
22:07<Deviouz>its kinda flurry as when it try to focus
22:07<Deviouz>yes it is an x
22:07<Deviouz>first I had an old tnt riva card
22:08<kop>Deviouz: Ok. It installed, but either gdm is not running or it's not got the right video driver or some such.
22:08<Deviouz>I tought it must be too old so I changed to another old voodoo 3
22:08<Deviouz>but the same thing happend
22:08<kop>Deviouz: Nothing's too old. :-)
22:08<Deviouz>yes I think that
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22:08<kop>Deviouz: The older it is the more likely it is to work.
22:08<Deviouz>but wierd I had 5.1 version before and no problem
22:09<kop>Deviouz: Are you in front of the computer now?
22:09<Deviouz>I mean debian 5,1
22:09<Deviouz>how come it dont work now suddenly?
22:09<kop>Deviouz: You must mean 5.0.1.
22:09<Deviouz>yes Im sitting with the one and only computer, but i had to install ubuntu
22:09<kop>Deviouz: Hard to say.
22:10<kop>Deviouz: You did install debian. You need to get a text console and you can irc from there.
22:10<Deviouz>noyes thats right, 5 0 1
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22:11<Deviouz>I wont install it again unless I know how to fix it
22:11<Deviouz>maybe I just install 5,0,1 again
22:12<kop>Deviouz: You probably need to come here, and nobody can tell you how to fix it (probably) unless they get more information, which you can only get when you're running debian. 5.0.1 is the current lenny. What did you try to install?
22:12<Deviouz>I tryed 5,0,3?
22:12<kop>Deviouz: From where? (?)
22:12<Deviouz>it said its the latest stable
22:13<Deviouz>from debian webpage?
22:13<kop>Deviouz: Humm. You are right. I wonder why my system says 5.0.1?
22:14<Deviouz>maybe cus you have an old?
22:14<kop>Deviouz: My other boxes say 5.0.3. Just not this one.... I haven't updated in a few weeks....
22:15<kop>Deviouz: Anyway, I don't see how you can install 5.0.1.
22:15<Deviouz>yes its no probs in 5.0.1
22:15<Deviouz>and it boots nicely into gdm too
22:15<Deviouz>but 5.0.3 doesnt
22:16<kop>Deviouz: You would need to do ctrl-alt-F1 and login and then type something like "irssi --connect" to get back here after the install without a gui. (You may also need to install the irssi package, or whatever you use for irc.)
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22:16<Deviouz>did they remoove support for old graphics cards in 5,0,3 some how?
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22:16<Deviouz>it seems like it
22:17<kop>Deviouz: You could try it, but I would expect the install to (nearly) automatically update you to 5.0.3.
22:17<Deviouz>yes I tough about that
22:17<kop>Deviouz: No. Old support is not removed so long as there's anybody using the card.
22:18<Deviouz>so you dont think I would be missing some inportant update by doing that?
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22:18<kop>Deviouz: There could (possibly) be a regression. More likely something that's autodetecting your card is not working quite right. No point in speculating until you have debian running and the problem can be diagnosed.
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22:19<kop>Deviouz: You won't miss anything, but the problem may re-occur.
22:19<kop>Deviouz: Or not. Hard to say. Depends on the problem.
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22:19<kop>Deviouz: You used the same monitor both times?
22:19<Deviouz>yes every thing same
22:19<kop>Deviouz: Every time?
22:20<Deviouz>501 support both the tnt riva and voodo
22:20<kop>Deviouz: I believe I'm running a tnt riva on this box as we speak.
22:21<Deviouz>probably a good idea you not upgrade to 5,0,3 then:)
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22:21<kop>Deviouz: Actually, the box with the video card has 5.0.3. I'm using it as a thin client and the box doing the processing is 5.0.1.
22:22<Deviouz>yes I see,
22:22<Deviouz>anyway thanks for trying to help
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22:23<Deviouz>I think I will install 5,0,1 again, Im really to tired to mess around with that right now
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22:23<Deviouz>if the problem happends again it must be some update causing it
22:24<kop>Deviouz: If it does not work follow my advice above and come back here while running debian.
22:24<Deviouz>yes I will thanks
22:24<d0wNsYs>has anyone gotten an old ati rage 128 pro working cant get a better resolution than 800x600
22:24<kop>Deviouz: There. I just upgraded.
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22:25<kop>d0wNsYs: What video driver are you using?
22:25<Deviouz>you wont know it untill you reboots:)
22:25<kop>Deviouz: Right:)
22:25<d0wNsYs>tried r128 ati
22:25<Deviouz>I dont know, since it was the first time to login to a new installed system
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22:26<Deviouz>it should find the correct driver automaticly
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22:26<Deviouz>but it dont find any it seem
22:26<kop>Deviouz: I've had it fail. (But then I tried it with 3 video cards already in the box at once.)
22:26<kop>Deviouz: It falls back to something generic. Anyway, from a console you can get it working.
22:27<Deviouz>oh damn!
22:27<Deviouz>I would call this a bug wouldnt you?
22:27<kop>Deviouz: Yes.
22:28<Deviouz>hrm, should probably report it somewhere
22:28<kop>d0wNsYs: r128 should work. What does lspci say?
22:28<dpkg>[reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>.
22:28<d0wNsYs>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PP/PRO TMDS [Xpert 128]
22:29<d0wNsYs>thats what i dont understand use that driver and cant get anything better than 800x600
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22:29<kop>d0wNsYs: r128 should do it. You might check to be sure no other video drivers are installed.
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22:29<Deviouz>I will try that
22:29<Deviouz>thanks again
22:29<kop>d0wNsYs: You can also pastbin your X log. Deviouz would want to do that too.
22:30*kop goine
22:30*kop gone
22:30<Deviouz>thanks alot, cya later
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22:42<kop>d0wNsYs: You may need to lower the color depth to get higher resolution. I've not done the math but the ram may run out otherwise.
22:42<kop>d0wNsYs: You will want to check the X log.
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23:23*deaddog looks 'round
23:24<deaddog>Anyone aware of when "squeeze" is to be released?
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23:26<d4rkl0rd>deaddog: release date was not acquired yet.
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23:46<hian># debian-br
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23:57<nickzxcv_>is there a way to have root=LABEL always set in grub instead of root=UUID ?
23:57<nickzxcv_>I also still need to use grub 0.97 because its with pvgrub on xen
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