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00:00<newsense>evanbd: if your on a high resource machine i guess theres nothing wrong with it, but transmission for gui or rtorrent for cli might be more appealing to users with low end systems
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00:00<evanbd>Wow, they *still* haven't fixed the Java versions in stable?
00:00<evanbd>newsense: Hmm, I'll check out transmission.
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00:01<evanbd>newsense: I'm on a reasonably beefy machine, but Azureus seems a bit bloated lately.
00:01<newsense>evanbd: i have family and friends that use azureus under windows and transmission isn't as "flashy"
00:02<newsense>but it's a decent gui client
00:02<newsense>i prefer rtorrent via cli personally
00:02<evanbd>Well, I use azureus in its less-flashy advanced mode anyway. I'll give transmission a try.
00:02<newsense>evanbd: azureus has a lot of hd videos doesnt it ?
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00:03<evanbd>newsense: I wouldn't know. I just use it as a bittorrent client...
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00:04<newsense>evanbd: better off with transmission than
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00:06<icebrain>is there any advantage of using sun-java6 instead of openjdk-6?
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00:07<evanbd>icebrain: It works and openjdk didn't, last I tried.
00:08<evanbd>Something about graphics stuff in Frost, I don't remember details. I don't think it's been fixed, but I'm not certain.
00:09<icebrain>evanbd: my only problem is in JDownloader, the main interface uses 40% of cpu to display a couple of gradient download bars :| but everything else seems fine
00:10<evanbd>icebrain: Frost didn't work at all, with some obscure errors I had trouble determining the cause of. I didn't feel like reading lots of source on a program that ought to be deprecated anyway, so I just went back to using Sun.
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00:18<evanbd>Well, looks like basically everything is working now.
00:18<evanbd>Thanks guys!
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01:36<dhsa>hello all
01:36<dhsa>i hve a problem,in setting user permission
01:37<dhsa>i cant able to su to root, its saying setuid:permission not permitted
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01:37<Nemoder>dhsa: what version of debian?
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01:38<dhsa>even i am giving correct root passwd its failing
01:38<dhsa>sudo also not working.....
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01:39<Nemoder>can you log out and back in as root?
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01:39<Nemoder>then you will probably have to use a rescue disk to fix it
01:40<dhsa>but their on konsole after ctrl+alt+f1 their i can login into root
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01:58<carlosddc>que onda
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02:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:44<deniz>which codecs do i need to watch DVD movies with totem?
02:44<deniz>in debian squeeze
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02:46<tb545>depends on if they're encrypted
02:46<tb545>which they usually are
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02:51<tb545>so you don't need a codec per se but the libs for playing such a dvd
02:52<tb545>which debian can't provide for you
02:53<deniz>what do you mean can't provide for me...what about debian multimedia?
02:54<tb545>yea debian multimedia will
02:54<tb545>it's a legal thing
02:54<deniz>but i googled and
02:54<Gathond>deniz: he means it is illegal to distribute them in several parts of the world
02:54<deniz>w32codecs or libdvdcss2 both aren't in repositories
02:54<deniz>Gathond, yes i know actually, i read that a long time ago
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02:55<Gathond>debian multimedia however seems to care less about this than debian
02:55<deniz>which exact codec(s) do I need to apt-get?
02:55<Gathond>so they have repositories where you CAN get those
02:55<tb545>libdvdcss2 mainly
02:55<deniz>o man, i dont no y but now it apt-cache policy detected it
02:56<deniz>i did apt-get update b4 2, so i dont no y
02:56<deniz>so there is no way to get DVDs working without adding debian multimedia repository?
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02:56<deniz>(just curious)
02:57<deniz>i got libdvdcss2 and it still doesnt work
02:58<tb545>download the deb file from debian-multimedia and dpkg --install it
02:58<deniz>any help?
02:58<tb545>what doesn't work exactly
02:58<deniz>would that really make a difference?
02:58<tb545>no nvm
02:58<deniz>it doesnt load at all in totem and
02:58<deniz>the error is
02:59<deniz>"Could not read from resource" when i try to go to DVD menu
02:59<deniz>but it doesnt load the dvd at all
02:59<tb545>any more detailed errors
03:01<phorce1>have you tried more than one DVD? (another besides the one you are testing with right now)
03:01<deniz>ill run in terminal
03:01<tb545>do you have any other media players to test it with
03:02<deniz>well it worked in windows vista so the dvd isnt defective but i tried on my lenny system with disc 2 and same problem but i dint do anything either on my lenny system
03:03<tb545>which gst-plugins packages do you have
03:03<deniz>the last error on the terminal output was when I attempted to load the DVD menu
03:03<deniz>but it didn't play at all b4 that
03:04<tb545>do you have xine-ui or mplayer or anything else to test with?
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03:05<deniz>mplayer and errors with that too
03:06<tb545>same error?
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03:10<phorce1>I stick a DVD in and totem starts playing it automatically. Doesn't let me get to the DVD menu though, just plays the movie.
03:11<deniz>mine doesnt even play it
03:11<deniz>and wait trying with mplayer again
03:11<tb545>deniz, is the DVD an original copy or is it burned?
03:11<deniz>this 1 is burned
03:11<tb545>could you try a 'real' DVD?
03:12<tb545>just to see if it works...
03:12<phorce1>mplayer works fine here too. (Using a storebought DVD of "Bait")
03:13<deniz>k 2 secs
03:14<phorce1>Both defaulted to French language though. Had to switch to English after start
03:15<deniz>i tried white chicks and it loads special features menu but nothing else works
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03:15<deniz>some parts of the menu works but not the actual movie or any footage
03:15<deniz>for that disc
03:16<tb545>did you try playing the movie by seeking
03:16<tb545>not through the menu
03:18<deniz>i cant, it loads special features by defaulrt and i cant start any video :(
03:18<tb545>what player
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03:24<phorce1>try with mplayer. Try going to a different chapter using the right-click menu
03:25<deniz>i load the disc and then it doesnt let me right click
03:25<deniz>it just stays black with the disc spinning
03:25<deniz>can we go over which codecs i need and check if i have them installed?
03:25<deniz>im using squeeze
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03:27<tb545>just check for libdvdread,libdvdnav,etc
03:27<tb545>what does mplayer say in the console
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03:27<guy>a word about bootable DVD and CD
03:27<guy>always burn at slowest speed - a bootable media that SEEMS to be good often times isn't bootable if it's burnt at a fast speed
03:27<guy>I learned that the hard way
03:28<deniz>guy, bootable?
03:28<guy>You're trying to do an install from a DVD? Or, have I skimmed over your conversation to fast?
03:28<tb545>its a DVD movie
03:28<tb545>in mplayer
03:28<guy>ahhhh - sorry
03:28<tb545>good advice though
03:29<tb545>sometimes they fry after 1 install for me
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03:30<guy>Yes, it's happened to me - I'm left scratching my head, "But, it was a good DVD just last week!!"
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03:31<phorce1>deniz: what does 'dpkg -l | grep -i libdvd' show?
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03:33<tb545>you have two versions of libdvdnav?
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03:33<tb545>oops libdvdread
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03:34<Asmick>Hi =)
03:34<tb545>libdvdread is lenny's
03:34<phorce1>try getting rid of libdvdread4 ---- min'es working without it (I have libdvdread3)
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03:35<tb545>phorcel are you using lenny or squeeze?
03:36<phorce1>lenny --- but my versions on the other libdvdxxx are close to the ones you listed
03:36<phorce1>errr he listed
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03:37<phorce1>libdvdread4 is the only one he listed that's not in my list
03:37<tb545>apparently they both use libdvdnav4
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03:37<Asmick>Hi, jagguar))))
03:38<Jaguar>answer me!
03:38<Asmick>Pogodi, a to nas zabanyat))))
03:38<Jaguar>you pig
03:38<phorce1>I have css2 1.2.10-0.2 and dvdnav4 4.1.2-3 and dvdread3 0.9.7-11
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03:39<Asmick>Eti kanal teh. podderzhki debiana))))
03:39<Jaguar>ya admin>?
03:39<Asmick>Net. Ti nol'
03:39<Jaguar>poshela tu!
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03:40<Jaguar>ny chro je)
03:40<Jaguar>prishel prepodovatel
03:40<Jaguar>ne pishi erundu kak obuchno
03:40<Asmick>Gde on tak dolgo? =(
03:40<tb545>yea he's using squeeze though so his other libs might be newer
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03:40<Jaguar>mojesh na Utel vkluchit obolochky?
03:40<deniz>removing libdvdread4 removed so many things that i now have to reinstall :@, anyways thanks every1 for helping but given that ive been at this for so long, i need to go to bed now :(
03:40<tb545>whether he should use libdvdread3 or 4 is what I'm getting at
03:41<tb545>me too
03:41<Jaguar>davai v icq
03:41<deniz>k so thx again, ill come tmr
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03:42<Jaguar>hello al
03:43<Jaguar>who are you?:)
03:43<Jaguar>where are you from))
03:44<tb545>#debian ;)
03:44<Jaguar>ok ok))
03:45<simonrvn>this isn't a chat channel, though if no one's asking questions, it's cool to have a bit of chat.. but preferred is using #debian-offtopic.
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03:45<tb545>ok sorry
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03:46<guy>os[Linux 2.6.31-16-generic x86_64] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.41GHz] mem[Physical: 2.9GB, 30.6% free] disk[Total: 373.4GB, 47.5% free] video[nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500]] sound[1: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x47f:0xc001]
03:46<jaguar>help me please
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03:46<jaguar>say something
03:47<guy>help with what? I'm no guru, but I can help with some stuff
03:47<tb545>me too, I'm sleep deprived and bored
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03:48<guy>hungry - BBL
03:49<tb545>can one make the gnome menu appear smaller
03:49<tb545>font and icons
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03:50<guy>the toolbar, or the dropdown menu?
03:50<tb545>main menu
03:50<guy>right click on the toolbar(s) and select properties
03:51<tb545>no the panel menu
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03:52<guy>If it's possible, I don't see an obvious way to do it
03:52<tb545>i disabled the icons
03:52<tb545>thats one way
03:52<tb545>but its pretty ugly
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03:53<tb545>i'm tired so bye
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03:58<asm>hi =)
03:58<Asmerok>test test
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04:14<Kaaru>Hello :-)
04:15<tampered>can anyone help with open files
04:15<seeS>depends what you mean
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04:16<tampered>cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
04:16<tampered>a value of 100879
04:17<tampered>if i am not wrong, this is system wide?
04:17<tampered>ulimit -a as root shows
04:17<tampered>open files (-n) 1024
04:18<tampered>is there a way of increasing?
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04:19<seeS>its system limits
04:19<seeS>you could try writing a number to it
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04:19<tampered>yea i tried, upon reboot, it reverts back to 1024
04:19<seeS>but before reboot its ok?
04:20<tampered>i tried ulimit -n 65000
04:20<tampered>just a temporary fix
04:20<tampered>i am looking for a permanent fix
04:20<seeS>so is the problem it doesnt keep or it doesnt work
04:20<tampered>running oracle
04:20<tampered>doesnt keep and doesnt work also
04:20<seeS>ie if you do echo somethnig > /proc/sys/fs/file-max the number is ok
04:21<tampered>yea the system wide setting is ok
04:21<tampered>i mean per user
04:21<seeS>cool and to keep it over reboots put it in /etc/sysctl.conf
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04:22<tampered>shoud i add something also in /etc/security/limits.conf
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04:22<seeS>for the user yes
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04:24<seeS>most likely pam_limits will need to go into your pam config too
04:24<Kaaru>I've joined here because I've got a problem with inadyn. Well, it acutally works if I launch it from a command line, but the thing is the process doesn't stop. So when I tried to add /etc/init.d/inadyn with update-rc.d, my computer boots, is accessible from ssh, but the machine stays frozen at inadyn, which means I can't use it directly. I'm pretty sure I did something wrong, but I don't know what :-).
04:24<Kaaru>Can anyone help me ? :D
04:25<simonrvn>tampered: set it in the init script
04:25<seeS>the program is not forking
04:26<seeS>do you have a line like start-stop-daemon in the init.d script?
04:26<Kaaru>Oh never mind
04:26<Kaaru>I've got to go
04:26<Kaaru>I'll ask again later
04:26<Kaaru>Thanks anyway =)
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04:28<tamperedping>timeout :-P
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04:44<Kaaru>I'm back =)
04:45<Kaaru>seeS > I don't really know what you meant. Where can I find relevant documentation about it ?
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04:45<seeS>ok, how does the program start in /etc/init.d/inadyn
04:45<tampered>seeS i did that and it worked
04:46<seeS>tampered: the system and user limits?
04:46<tampered>i already have apach2 openssl perl installed on the box, and was installed using apt-get
04:46<tampered>seeS yes
04:46<seeS>yay! :D
04:46<tampered>now will i need to recompile apache perl for the new settings?
04:47<seeS>ooh, im not sure. it may have limits but its not something easy to find
04:47<tampered>open files (-n) 1024
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04:47<seeS>looks like a non-root user
04:47<tampered>still same, i just rebooted
04:47<tampered>no i am root
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04:47<seeS>did your system limit change?
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04:49<tampered>in /etc/pam.d/login
04:49<seeS>ok, so thats sysctl ok but limits not
04:49<tampered>i can see that session required
04:50<seeS>ok, and then you need the limits.conf
04:50<Kaaru>seeS > I used the script basically made there :, but since I configured inadyn.conf, the command line part "-u <username> -p <password> -a" has been removed. I guessed I could modify "(whatever commands you would use to stop the service)" so I put SIG_QUIT instead (man says it's a signal to terminate inadyn
04:50<Kaaru>). Because chkconfig inadyn didn't work, I used update-rc.d /etc/init.d/inadyn defaults.
04:50<tampered>i added
04:50<tampered>* soft nofile 65535
04:50<tampered>* hard nofile 65535
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04:52<seeS>when you run inadyn on the command line does it fork? do you get the command line back?
04:52<Supaplex>quick, break out the sand bags, it's a flood!
04:53<Kaaru>I don't know if it "forks" (dunno what it means). But I don't get the CL back : inadyn doesn't terminate.
04:53<seeS>tampered: tried it with 65534 and its ok
04:54<seeS>70,000 too
04:54<tampered>hang on
04:54<seeS>root hard nofile 70000
04:54<seeS>root soft nofile 70000
04:54<tampered>you put root there
04:55<tampered>can i put * instead?
04:55<seeS>but i put it in common-session not login
04:56<seeS>i wouldnt do it but it will work
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04:56<seeS>kaaru: no command line back means no forking
04:56<seeS>kaaru: which means the suggested init.d script is wrong
04:56<tampered>open files (-n) 65535
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04:57<Kaaru>OK. So all i've gotta do is to find a working command line.
04:57<Kaaru>right ?
04:57<seeS>kaaru: replace that line with
04:58<tampered>when i replace it with *
04:58<tampered>it does not work
04:58<tampered>in /etc/security/limits.conf
04:58<seeS>start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/inadyn /usr/sbin/inadyn blah
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04:58<seeS>kaaru: also add the flag --background
04:59<seeS>but works with a user?
04:59<tampered>if i have 1000 user on teh box
04:59<tampered>i'll have to add 1000 entries???
04:59<Kaaru>Thanks =). I'll check if it works this evening =)
04:59<tampered>each 1000 users on 1000 different groups!
05:00<seeS>you want them all to have these limits * should be ok
05:00<Kaaru>Thanks again ;-).
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05:00<roberto>Hello my English is not so gut. I don´t have Compositing Obtion in KDE 4 by Debian squeeze. xorg.conf
05:01<fossiiil>can you recommend me lightweight blog software with tagging support?
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05:02<tampered>it works now
05:02<seeS>group and default limits not used by root
05:03<seeS>i login as root=1024, login as me=70000
05:03<tampered>so you mean root can use as much as it wants
05:03<tampered>yea i noticed the difference
05:03<tampered>root still giving me 1024
05:03<seeS>no, but * doesnt mean root, just everyone else
05:04<tampered>is it wise to add root in /etc/security/limits.conf
05:04<seeS>i wouldnt
05:04<seeS>in fact id touch it as little as possible
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05:04<tampered>in fact i need to increase because i wud be installing oracle
05:04<tampered>it failed twice because of open files
05:05<seeS>yep, not surprised by that.
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05:05<seeS>oracle is hungy!
05:05<seeS>so id only put the limits in for those ora_blah users
05:05<tampered>seeS i launched teh installation using root
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05:05<tampered>now i created a new user with shell access /bin/bash
05:05<tampered>installing oracle
05:05<tampered>till now no issues
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05:07<seeS>time to go!
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07:26<xover>What is the difference between buffered and cached memory?
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07:31<Kraven>While booting using Initramfs my system halts in /etc/init.d/ When I press enter on the keyboard for two times at this point the system resumes booting
07:32<Kraven>I have used the following script to be able to unlock LUKS partitions over ssh:
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07:33<Kraven>When I use the old initrd and enter the password directly everything works fine. When I don't start /etc/init.d/ while booting, it boots fine, when I unlock out of the initramfs
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07:34<Kraven>When I set Verbose I get "Setting up per-VC fonts" as last message before the system halts. When I press enter twice the next message that I get is the "INIT: Entering runlevel 2" message
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07:41<dhbiker>hi there
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07:41<dhbiker>anyone on who can help with my problem?
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07:42<dhbiker>well if someone is here...
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07:43<dhbiker>i cant connect to the internet via gprs/hsdpa (3g wireless network).... any clue where i can find never network manager?
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07:47<dhbiker>hi there
07:48<Namelezz>Can anyone help me a little bit with gnome desktop configuration? I looking for a way to set a lower screen reselution and configure my monitor. Isnt there a tool for that?
07:49<dhbiker>it should be under system tab
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07:50<Namelezz>i cant "see" anything because default lenny installation comes with a high resolution setting by default.
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07:50<Namelezz>i used google and placed a web browser in the middle of my screen but thats a pain.
07:51<Namelezz>I find anything but not that what i am looking for heh
07:51<dhbiker>emm sry
07:51<dhbiker>im currently on windows because my internet connection doesnt work on lenny
07:51<dhbiker>dont know why though
07:52<Namelezz>lol kk
07:52<Namelezz>i like to get that stinky windows thing away :<
07:53<dhbiker>me too
07:53<dhbiker>but there's no other way than use this to solve the problem
07:53<dhbiker>maybe you can help me...
07:54<dhbiker>im connected to the net with gprs/hsdpa modem (like mobile phones)
07:54<dhbiker>problem is that i cant see the modem in network manager :(
07:54<Namelezz>btw i think i see what you mean under System --> Settings? (i use german gnome version) but if i chance it there then it wont work ^^
07:55<Namelezz>well i never used that i run a cisco router and normal dsl :/
07:55<dhbiker>well i must run this because we're moving next year
07:55<dhbiker>so its stupid to order the dsl lol
07:56<Namelezz>is that hardware supported on debian did you checked this?
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07:56<dhbiker>works on
07:56<dhbiker>so why it shouldnt work on debian
07:56<Namelezz>and not on debian?
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07:57<dhbiker>ohh wait i found newer network manager...
07:57<dhbiker>ill reboot and try to run it
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07:58<Namelezz>I am looking for a way to config my screen settings on gnome and if possible to set the monitor ^^ Anyone help me out plz :)
07:59<dr|z3d>Namelezz: aptitude install grandr
07:59<dr|z3d>Namelezz: Also check your xorg.conf
07:59<Namelezz>thats that is a config tool?
07:59<dr|z3d>Indeed it is. One with a UI.
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08:00<Namelezz>ah thank you i will try that
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08:00<dr|z3d>Don't neglect your xorg.conf though. That may be the key to long term happiness. :)
08:01<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. #xorg on
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08:03<Namelezz>dr|z3d> do you know a hotkey when something fail with screen reselution sattings that i can something to like restart gnome with old settings?
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08:04<dr|z3d>Namelezz: You'd want to restore your xorg.conf.bak, probably.
08:04<dr|z3d>You can: /etc/init.d/gnome stop
08:04<dr|z3d>Sorry, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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08:05<dr|z3d>$ locate*
08:06<Namelezz>ok i tryed simple set set a lower screen reselution unter system --> settings or however its called in english but that dont work. Something goes wrong and i cant see nothing more but with ctrl + alt + backspace a i get a new session to login
08:06<Namelezz>please excuse my bad english ;)
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08:08<Namelezz>are ati grafic cards good working on linux? some users told me that they had much problems with ati cards
08:09<melmothX>Namelezz: it depends on which card
08:09<melmothX>older ones go pretty well with the xorg drivers
08:10<melmothX>(up to r5xx on testing with mesa 7.6 and newer radeon drivers)
08:10<Namelezz>i have old hardware currently i use a ati hd 3650 that shouldnt be a wild thing i hope
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08:12<Namelezz>my geforce card is dead the vga cooler got f*cked up without let me knowing that :/
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09:06<beginner>is there anyone being really good at xorg conf file setting?!
09:06<Titan8990>xorg.conf is not longer required as of lenny
09:07<Titan8990>whats the problem?
09:07<beginner>I am trying to install cube switcher and can not run compiz command in consol
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09:07<abrotman>beginner: does your X work at all ?
09:08<beginner>yes, I am in X
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09:09<compac>ciao a tutti
09:09<beginner>this is the error I got when I run compiz command
09:10<beginner> - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
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09:10<beginner>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
09:10<beginner>Window manager warning: Log level 8: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion `pixmap == NULL || gdk_drawable_get_depth (window) == gdk_drawable_get_depth (pixmap)' failed
09:11<beginner>I shall be so grateful for any hint and help
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09:44<GPenguin>when writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information takes extremely long on some usb thumb drive, then its very likely to be broken right?
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09:56<kaziem>not a clue GPenguin
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10:04<GPenguin>or that nice thing is running on usb 1.1 instead of 2.0
10:04<GPenguin>what a silly penguin i am
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10:05<GPenguin>so booting iso images off from it will be extremely fun
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10:10<nano->After upgrading sid last night my java programs can't open socket connections. Any ideas why? (netcat on the same ports work)
10:11<Titan8990>nano-, did you check the BTS?
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10:13<GPenguin> maybe?
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10:19<nano->Titan8990, GPenguin: \o/
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10:20<nano->Titan8990: didn't know what package to look at.
10:20<nano->GPenguin: thanks
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10:24<nano->GPenguin, Titan8990: many thanks! works.
10:25<dhbiker>hi ther
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10:34<sten>I'm trying to build (backport) gpsd from sid in squeeze, but it fails with "No rule to make target packet_names.h"
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10:34<sten>log is at
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10:35<sten>what do I miss?
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10:41<beginner>#compiz channel couldn't help solve the problem either!
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10:47<beginner>compiz is not working here
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11:05<abrotman>cardstap: english please
11:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:18<telis>can anyone to explain me the deference between /etc/modules.d/local.conf and /etc/module.conf.local
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11:27<cahoot>on a debian system?
11:27<Titan8990>telis, neither one of those files are on debian?
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11:28<telis>sidux its almost the same
11:29<Titan8990>telis, obviously not since we don't have those two files
11:29<Titan8990>!based on debian
11:29<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
11:30<edhunter>i dont have those files and i do use sidux so..
11:30<dhbiker>oo finally
11:31<dhbiker>i cant connect to gprs/hsdpa network (like mobile phone)... is there any way to get network manager with all dependencies in it?
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12:12<Kovax>Hi! I have a problem: I installed vhcs, and it changed something on my server, so now it cant resolv host names, could someone help? thanks
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12:13<jmarsden>Kovax: Probably edit /etc/resolv.conf to point to your ISP's nameservers and all will be well. I can't stick around to help, off to work...
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12:14<Kovax>ok, i try it, thx
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12:24<beginner>does anyone can help with compiz command, xorg conf setting?
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12:27<ald85>i have an acer one and i installed ubuntu 9 but its b¿not working right and i wanna downgrade to 8 but i cant, when i try to install it an error comes up something like kernel panic not syncing, how do i install it??
12:27<fgh>whereis snmp-get bin?
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12:28<ald85>i have an acer one and i installed ubuntu 9 but its b¿not working right and i wanna downgrade to 8 but i cant, when i try
12:28<ald85> to install it an error comes up something like kernel panic not syncing, how do i install it??
12:28<cahoot>ald85: you should be aware this channel is for debian support
12:29<cahoot>try #ubuntu on
12:29<ald85>ohh sorry hehe
12:29<ald85>wrong window
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12:32<beginner>how can I kill metacity?
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12:33<beginner>I used both consol and system monitor but metacity reloaded as soon as I kill it
12:33<cahoot>what do you want to achieve?
12:33<beginner>run compiz
12:33<Titan8990>beginner, you have to replace another window manager with it to prevent it from starting back up
12:34<Titan8990>beginner, e.g. compiz --replace
12:34<beginner>it didn't work!
12:35<Titan8990>beginner, how did you install compiz?
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12:36<beginner>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
12:36<beginner>Window manager warning: Log level 8: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap: assertion `pixmap == NULL || gdk_drawable_get_depth (window) == gdk_drawable_get_depth (pixmap)' failed
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12:40<Titan8990>beginner, i already saw your error
12:40<Titan8990>beginner, how did you install compiz?
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12:40<Titan8990>beginner, what version of debian are you running?
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12:46<beginner>I think it is lenny the latest version
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12:55<beginner>I am following the instructions on this wabpage
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12:58<abrotman>and which part of it fails ?
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12:59<Titan8990>he logged
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12:59<Titan8990>sounded like his drivers didn't have opengl support
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13:00<_hc>is there a Debian SSL Certificate Authority cert? I am getting an exception on this URL:,tcl8.5,tk8.5
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13:05<abrotman>_hc: using which browser ?
13:05<abrotman>Titan8990: using which driver?
13:05<Titan8990>abrotman, didn't get that far before he /part
13:05<_hc>abrotman: Camino on Mac OS X is what I am using at the moment
13:06<abrotman>_hc: entirely possible that it's installed on debian systems, i didn't get a warning here
13:06<Titan8990>i didn't either
13:06<_hc>abrotman: yeah, I am pretty sure it is. But it would be nice if non-Debian users could get that CA cert
13:06<Titan8990>yeah, i just tried on my window's VM and got a cert error
13:06<_hc>I couln't find the package that its in
13:07<_hc>probably even on Fedora, Gentoo, too
13:07<abrotman>_hc: let me see
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13:08<_hc>hmm, perhaps ca-certificates
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13:10<abrotman>_hc: yes, i think that is correct
13:10<_hc>but which cert? there are many there....
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13:10<_hc>perhaps /usr/share/ca-certificates/
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13:15<_hc>ah, its from, which is not in ca-certificates
13:15<_hc>seems like its here:
13:16<_hc>viola, that's it
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13:17<AngelitX>hello )
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13:29<EmleyMoor>The update notifier and associated tool no longer work on my main lenny box - though I can still update using synaptic. The update icon rarely shows, and if it does, the update tool only does a "reload" when I click to install.
13:31<ale_ryu>hey guys, I have a problem with a usb multi card reader, used to work but now when booting the system is unable to enumerate it. My dmesg output is here, as well as the output of lsusb(showing that it's not being detected): . I've googled like there's no tomorrow but I can't find an answer, most guys get a -110, -32 or -71 error code, but I get -62. Any ideas?
13:31<Titan8990>ale_ryu, which kernel?
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13:32<ale_ryu>Kernel I2.6.29-1-amd64. tried with .26 and .32 too but I get the same result. I've also tried unplugging it, checking the connectors and replugging it in a different usb connector on the motherboard, but had no luck.
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13:33<Titan8990>ale_ryu, .29? what version of debian is this?
13:33<Titan8990>dpkg, kernels
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13:33<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091228, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc2, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc1-git4, stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.29: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
13:33<abrotman>it's an out of date testing/unstable kernel
13:34<abrotman>ale_ryu: cat /proc/version .. says what ?
13:34<ale_ryu>cat /proc/version
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13:34<abrotman>ale_ryu: so why aren't you using the current kernel in testing/unstable ?
13:35<abrotman>(by doing something like 'aptitude install linux-image-amd64')
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13:36<ale_ryu>I've had this kernel since august, that's why. But I've tried with .32 and had no luck, trying with the .30 will probably not be useful
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13:37<ale_ryu>where can I get a description for the error codes I'm getting? I can't find documentation on the -62 error
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13:40<launch>Hi, Should I use xvfb or xorg with ssh x11 forwarding
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14:07<beer>I can see that the package "powersaved" has been removed from sid. Is there a nice replacement?
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14:13<beer>no idears?
14:13<abrotman>what does it do? search the package list for something similar
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14:15<edhunter>beer: if u use kde then powerdevil takes care of power management. dont know in other DEs
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14:22<beer>edhunter: I am using kde now and when I use "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I can see "cpu MHz : 1995.018" and I am not running anything special (no fansy 3d effect ets, just a konsole, konversation and synaptic)
14:22<beer>before it would run around 800 mhz
14:23<beer>abrotman: it was a tool that would automatic set the cpu on lover hertz if it was not ind use
14:24<abrotman>cpufreqd perhaps ?
14:24<edhunter>beer: go to system settings -> advanced -> power management. maybe u will find something in there
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14:27<engy>Is there any documentation somewhere about scripting yakuake?
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14:28<beer>abrotman: I have just installed it but no differents in hertz.
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14:29<beer>edhunter: I have also tried to set everything on "powersaved" but ther hertz does not go down (but the screen is getting darker
14:29<[green]>can you see a "CPU frequency scaling" section in kpowersave?
14:30<edhunter>beer: sorry no clue then..
14:30<edhunter>[green]: no kpowersave in sid
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14:30<[green]>oh sorry
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14:30<[green]>I thought this was kde3
14:31<beer>[green]: if you mean the little powericon in kde in sid, I have seen it and tried different option with no effect
14:31<abrotman>cpudyn ? apt-cache search cpu freq
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14:32<beer>abrotman: no effect on hertz
14:33<beer>should I restart the computer before it takes effect?
14:33<cahoot>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
14:35<beer>the patch /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ (cpufreq) does not exist
14:35<beer>I can find /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0
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14:39<dhbiker>alright guys and girls...
14:40<dhbiker>who can tell me why the gdebi package manager is not working
14:40<dhbiker>when i press install package it dissapears
14:40<dhbiker>and never comes back
14:40<[green]>run it from a terminal
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14:41<Maulkin>dhbiker: Are you running ubuntu?
14:41<dhbiker>no debian lenny
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14:41<Maulkin>Oh, never mind, someone actually uploaded ti :)
14:41<dhbiker>well and there is another problem
14:41<d35iboy>hi..How can I upgrade Transmission on Lenny :)
14:41<dhbiker> cant connect to the internet
14:42<dhbiker>with hsdpa/gprs modem :(
14:42<Titan8990>d35iboy, whats wrong with the one in lenny?
14:42<d35iboy>its too old
14:42<[green]>dhbiker: who makes the modem?
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14:43<Titan8990>d35iboy, whats makes it too old? does it not work? does it lack features you need?
14:43<dhbiker>[green] : ZTE MF622
14:43<Maulkin>dhbiker: see perhaps
14:44<d35iboy>Titan8990 , it lacks the web interface feature
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14:45<Titan8990>d35iboy, do you know which version added it?
14:45<d35iboy>Titan8990 ,, No but the latest version has it..Ubuntu comes with it
14:46<GPenguin>ubuntu is not exactly debian
14:46<d35iboy>I was trying to install it on my vps
14:47<[green]>lenny-backports has 1.76 as opposed to 1.22 from lenny
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14:47<[green]>you'll have to find out what version has the feature you need
14:47<dhbiker>ty Maulkin
14:47<cardstap>Who speak Russian?
14:47<Titan8990>d35iboy, yep, install the newer version from backports
14:47<Titan8990>d35iboy, looks like the web interface will require additional configuration
14:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:48<cardstap>#debian-russian - this channel is off... I don't no...
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14:49<d35iboy>Titan8990 , any easy way to upgrade it ? without me installing from source ? the web ui thing is easy to configure..the port has to be open..and it works fine
14:49<cardstap>oh... #debian-russian on server ?
14:49<Titan8990>d35iboy, install the new version from backports, and according to the transmission documentation, more is required
14:49<dpkg>from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
14:50<d35iboy>ok..thanks for help :)
14:50<cardstap>I can ask council apropos debian and distribution kits based on it?
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14:51<Titan8990>!based on debian
14:51<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
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15:02<d35iboy>hi again..When I installed wine..I am not able to install utorrent :( does it require me to install Mono ?
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15:02<Titan8990>d35iboy, why not use one of the many torrent applications available in debian?
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15:03<GPenguin>dont do torrents from a java based client. and even less with an emulation layer like wine
15:03<d35iboy>I am not able to upgrade the Transmission
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15:03<GPenguin>otherwise your poor cpu will be stressed a lot
15:04<d35iboy>yes..I hate to do it..but I am not able to upgrade Transmission
15:04<Titan8990>d35iboy, then why wouldn't you tell us your trouble with transmission
15:04<GPenguin>ept-cache related transmission
15:04<Titan8990>instead, you try to install window application in linux?
15:05<d35iboy>yes.. I was trying to install :P
15:05<d35iboy>and fail :(
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15:05<Titan8990>d35iboy, what exactly did you try to do and what was the error?
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15:06<d35iboy>I installed wine apt-get install wine
15:06<d35iboy>it was successful ..but when I tried to run utorrent.exe nothing happens
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15:07<GPenguin>really, dont follow that path. its painful. whats the specific problem with transmission?
15:08<GPenguin>as alternative there is rtorrent, utorrent, ctorrent etc.
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15:08<blackxored>d35iboy, wine utorrent.exe from a command line will tell you more, but there are a lot of BT clients in linux, you may try one of those
15:08<d35iboy>I tried to install transmission manually from source ..I intalled the necessary dependencies ..but when I tried ./configure , it shows unable to find open ssl path..
15:09<blackxored>GPenguin, marketing rocks, you forgot azureus :P
15:09<blackxored>d35iboy, why are trying to compile from source?
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15:09<d35iboy>the one which lenny has is outdated
15:09<blackxored>outdated in which sense
15:09<GPenguin>d35iboy: whats the problem with "apt-get install transmission"?
15:10<blackxored>people are worlds but what's exactly the transmission feature you miss at lenny
15:10<d35iboy>it installs old version
15:10<blackxored>if none, I don't see a reason for a) compiling from source b) installing from sid
15:10<d35iboy>the feature that old version of transmission misses is web UI
15:10<blackxored>ohh I see
15:10<GPenguin>d35iboy: hmmm
15:11<blackxored>quite a big feature, but anyways is your call
15:11<GPenguin>for a web interface the solution with torrentflux is not really easier then
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15:12<d35iboy>yes..I have tried Torrentflux..It needs a webserver, and database
15:12<blackxored>well, seems like there are not very good solutions for lenny
15:12<blackxored>now that I realize this
15:13<blackxored>in testing we're better
15:13<d35iboy>also it consumes lot of ram also.when compared to Transmission
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15:14<blackxored>d35iboy, BTW about your transmission FTBFS you need libssl-dev AFAIK
15:14<d35iboy>ahh..let me try ;)
15:15<blackxored>although I'm not being authoritative I don't know that much about transmission
15:16<Aleric>I just did an apt-get update and upgrade.. and now vuze seems to not be able to anymore to use networking :/
15:16<Aleric>The errors I get are "unable to bind to a local socket" and "network unreachable" for all outbound connections.
15:17<blackxored>Aleric, what are you running?
15:17<blackxored>it's only vuze which doesn't access network?
15:17<Aleric>yes, the rest works fine
15:17<blackxored>I want to take a look since I maintain vuze
15:17<blackxored>what's exactly is getting logged?
15:18<Aleric>I didn't upgrade/change vuze itself at first (I use a local installation), but then I tried the debian provided azureus and that has the same problems.
15:18<blackxored>you're not running vuze from the archive?
15:18<Aleric>Where can I find the log file?
15:18<Aleric>archive? You mean a .deb?
15:19<blackxored>the log file in under your home dir
15:19<Aleric>I wasn't, but I am now. Same problem though.
15:19<blackxored>in .azureus
15:19<Aleric>.azureus/logs ?
15:20<Aleric>Sorry, but there are lots of files in .azureus
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15:20<Aleric>which file do you need?
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15:23<Aleric>Looking at the dates, it doesn't seem like azureus has been writting to those files.
15:23<Aleric>-rw-r--r-- 1 carlo carlo 5614 2009-12-28 18:51 thread_1.log
15:23<Aleric>That's the most recent one, and is from just before I started to upgrade
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15:24<Aleric>no... before I rebooted
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15:24<Aleric>but well, that's before I upgraded
15:25<Aleric>blackxored ?
15:26<Titan8990>Aleric, your running testing, did you check the BTS?
15:26<blackxored>you have logging disable
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15:27<blackxored>Titan8990, there are no reported bugs about vuze being unable to access network
15:27<blackxored>so I'm probably assisting in a personal issue
15:27<Aleric>blackxored: I do?
15:28<Aleric>The problem is indeed that every network operation fails.
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15:28<blackxored>Aleric, fire vuze from a command line and fire up the network tests
15:28<Aleric>Now it's complaining about being able to have a listen socket
15:28<blackxored>Aleric, only with vuze? we need to define this first
15:28<Aleric>Yes, I'm using the same box with xchat now, and iceweasel :p
15:29<blackxored>Aleric, right
15:29<blackxored>so do you have the same settings for port-fwd and all that stuff
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15:30<lontra>what should i run for update-alternatives to make epdfview my default pdf viewer?
15:30<blackxored>and you're getting IOExceptions right?
15:30<Aleric>absolutely nothing changed, except a big upgrade of most/all debian packages and a reboot
15:30<blackxored>lontra, you could just associate the file extension, can't you? it's easier
15:30<blackxored>Aleric, ummm
15:30<Aleric>Can you tell me how to get you this log file that I don't seem to have?
15:30<blackxored>Aleric, enable logging in azureus or start from the command line
15:31<Aleric>I already started it from the command line
15:31<lontra>blackxored, except that i'm compiling latex documents
15:32<blackxored>ohh I see
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15:32<blackxored>lontra, I don't think it's managed through alternatives
15:32<eddym>hey guys i need to restore a mbr from external scsi usb can some1 help me out?
15:33<eddym>my internal got erased..
15:33<Aleric>blackxored: I can check 'Enable logging', but if I click next on 'Enable logging to a file' that box isn't checked.
15:33<Titan8990>!tell eddym about fixmbr
15:33<blackxored>Aleric, just mark enable logging
15:33<Aleric>And then?
15:33<blackxored>Aleric, did you have a open command line
15:33<blackxored>opened, yes
15:34<Aleric>I started azureus from a terminal
15:34<Aleric>if that's what you mean
15:34<blackxored>when you fire up a network test, what do you get ??
15:34<eddym>Titan8990, not followingu
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15:34<Titan8990>eddym, look at your PM from dpkg
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15:38<blackxored>Tools -> Plugins -> Network Status?
15:39<eddym>titan got it.. however, i have a working copy i can get to it i need to run this command dd if=/dev/sda of=~/mbr.img bs=512 count=1
15:39<blackxored>Aleric, it's odd
15:39<eddym>but im not sure of its location
15:39<blackxored>Aleric, seems like java isn't getting all your interfaces
15:39<Aleric>blackxored: like I said... no network
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15:40<blackxored>wait a second
15:40<blackxored>let's move this upstream
15:40<Aleric>Well... I never used java
15:40<Aleric>I have no idea how to debug this
15:41<blackxored>Aleric, they'll tell you better than me
15:41<blackxored>but seeing this
15:41<blackxored>seems to be a NetworkManager related bug
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15:44<blackxored>so just to get straight: "which vuze" returns /usr/bin/vuze and apt-cache policy vuze returns right?
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15:51<Aleric>blackxored: I just purged EVERY package with either 'java' or 'gcj' in it... and then did 'apt-get install vuze' ... same problem
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15:52<blackxored>Aleric, wait
15:52<blackxored>Aleric, move to #azureus, although I think the upgrade is the one who broke something out there, you may have better feedback from the devs, ask Nolar there
15:53<Aleric>on which network is that?
15:53<blackxored>on freenode
15:53<blackxored>which address is azureus listening BTW
15:53<blackxored>and how many interfaces do you have?
15:54<blackxored>netstat -tan | grep <your_azureus_listening_port>
15:55<blackxored>Aleric, ^^^^
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16:00<killermachine>tud valaki segíteni a xubuntuval?
16:00<dpkg>it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
16:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:06<satdav>hello there
16:06<satdav>does this network have botserv
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16:09<satdav>how do I turn on my cloak
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16:11<User_007>guys i need help.
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16:11<User_007>i have tried lots of things
16:11<Alphawolf>hi all
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16:11<User_007>ill send a pastebin
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16:17<User_007>please help: script 'nfs-common' missing LSB tags and overrides
16:17<linucks>hey there, I am tring to install lenny x86_64 from a netinstall cd (on a computer I have done so without problems various times before, no hardware has changed), and am getting "Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release." when I go to install the base system. Can anyone suggest a fix?
16:17<linucks>it's an encrypted LVM install.
16:21<babilen>User_007: You found cyclic dependencies in the init scripts. Have a look at the LSB tags of the init scripts in question and fix them. You might also want to write LSB headers for the ones that miss them.
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16:24<babilen>User_007: Where are the nfs related scripts that lack LSB tags coming from? Which package do they belong to? (Which Debian version are you running anyway? - This should not happen on a stable one)
16:26<User_007>Im using Squeeze AMD64
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16:28<Alphawolf>where can i find more informations about squeeze like release notes and a release date
16:28<Titan8990>Alphawolf, neither exist
16:28<cahoot>it's not released
16:28<Alphawolf>i know, thatś why i ask :)
16:29<babilen>Alphawolf: they don't exist
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16:29<babilen>Alphawolf: Is there anything in particular that you would like to know?
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16:30<ghantoos>Alphawolf: ?
16:30<babilen>User_007: what about the nsf related scripts inssrv is complaining about?
16:32<Alphawolf>yay, that's what i search for
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16:32<Alphawolf>thanx :)
16:32<Titan8990>User_007, what are you upgrading from and to?
16:32<Titan8990>babilen, that appears to be the postinst script for the package nfs-common
16:33<ghantoos>Alphawolf: no prob :)
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16:41<User_007>im doing my day-upgrade. Everyday i upgrade my system. Yes, the package that cant be installed is nfs-common
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16:42<Titan8990>User_007, running sid?
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16:43<User_007>Running Squeeze
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16:47<incal>hello, I can almost never play mp4 files because of lagging. On some players, they run fine but lags after a while, in some players, they run slow. If my computer is to slow, is there a way of converting the files and maybe loose some edge, just to get the to run?
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16:50<Aleric>Every time I reboot I have no sound... I'm getting tired of that :/
16:50<Aleric>The reason is because my computer thinks that the only soundcard I have is the one on the motherboard.
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16:51<Aleric>If only I could STOP it from loading certain kernel modules
16:51<Titan8990>Aleric, you mean like /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
16:52<Aleric>That file doesn't exist on my box?
16:52<Mr-R>Aleric: onboard sound is deactivated in bios?
16:52<Titan8990>Aleric, what version of debian?
16:52<Aleric>Mr-R: I never saw an option to do that
16:52<Aleric>Titan8990: testing
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16:53<Mr-R>Aleric: ah. worked here. different bios...
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16:53<Titan8990>Aleric, pastebin: `apt-cache policy udev`
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16:53<ml|>Aleric: you might want to check the bios again, if it's there disable it
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16:54<Aleric>Is there not a simple way to stop it from loading a kernel module?
16:54<Titan8990>Aleric, you have sid repo enabled as well?
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16:54<Titan8990>yes, but not sure how to do it on testing... as people shouldn't be using it yet
16:54<Titan8990>well, not for general use anyways
16:55<Aleric>I had a script to 'fix' it, but it won't even let me unload the module
16:55<Aleric>snd_hda_codec_analog 74864 1
16:55<Aleric>how to find out what is using that ?
16:55<Titan8990>Aleric, /etc/apt/sources.list.... why did you choose squeeze?
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16:56<Aleric>Titan8990: I use 'testing'
16:56<Titan8990>squeeze is testing, why are you not running stable?
16:57<Aleric>cause it was on 'testing' for a long long time... at the time I installed debian, stable was too old for me (I'm a developer too and needed lots and lots of bleeding edge libs)
16:57<Titan8990>debian is not a bleeding-edge distro
16:58<Aleric>testing is good enough :p
16:58<Aleric>when I need newer stuff, I just install it local from SVN.
16:58<Aleric>I really hate maintaining libs locally though
16:59<Titan8990>well, the problem is that testing is really not supported by the community
16:59<ml|>you should have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
17:00<Titan8990>whereas bleeding-edge distro will support their broken crap
17:00<Aleric>yup I do
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17:00<ml|>that's the file Titan8990 meant to say ;)
17:00<Aleric>Titan8990: Well, it won't work on stable either
17:00<Titan8990>ml|, it "blacklist" on lenny
17:00<Aleric>So I don't get your point except when you are feeling irritated and wanted to vent that.
17:00<Titan8990>not sure why they choose to rename the file....
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17:00<ml|>Titan8990: testing is supported here sid is what's not
17:01<Titan8990>ml|, i disagree
17:01<Titan8990>but then again, squeeze problems is all that ever here
17:01<ml|>Titan8990: ok, but you are wrong sorry
17:02<Titan8990>ml|, I am not going to argue it
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17:02<Aleric>ml|: the comments at the top of that file say: It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel.
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17:03<Aleric>It's not clear to me if this is going to help me, do you think I should try it?
17:04<ml|>Aleric: I would disable it in your bios if possible, so check that first
17:04<Aleric>also, I hate to edit config files like that... it will cause collision again and again :/
17:04<ml|>Aleric: take your time and look all over
17:05<Aleric>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
17:06<Aleric>nah, I really can't disable that in the bios... don't even have to look
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17:06<Aleric>I need most of the other stuff from the 82801H
17:06<Aleric>and I'm sure I looked through the BIOS in detail often and never saw 'audio' explicitely listed
17:07<ml|>could listed somewhere else in some sub section
17:08<Aleric>I looked in every section
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17:08<Aleric>I even wrote down the whole bios on paper as means of backuo
17:08<babilen>!tell Aleric -about blacklist
17:09<babilen>Aleric: You could also configure alsa to see the internal soundcard as the second one ...
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17:11<babilen>Aleric: From the scarce information you gave on you problem it looks like as if you suspect that loading the module for the internal somehow shadows the second one... How do you fix that manually after the boot?
17:11<Aleric>Last time I deleted the kernel modules :p
17:11<Aleric>but I reinstalled a new kernel today :/
17:11<babilen>Aleric: You mean with rmmod?
17:12<ml|>I wonder what happened to testing on that blacklist factoid
17:12<Aleric>no, from disk
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17:12<Aleric>before I could just rmmod the modules, but hat stopped working
17:12<Aleric>it claims the module is in use now
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17:13<Aleric>FATAL: Module snd_hda_codec_analog is in use.
17:13<babilen>i would say that your problem is solved if you configure alsa to see the internal soundcard as the second one ...
17:13<babilen>otherwise try blacklisting the module ...
17:13<Aleric>I tried the alsa config approach in the past...
17:13<Aleric>it's not that easy to convince alsa of anything
17:14<Aleric>maybe it got easier these days...
17:14<babilen> - see Troubleshooting
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17:15<babilen>Aleric: And - could you try to select the non-internal soundcard in applications that support more then one or in your Gnome/KDE/whatever settings?
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17:18<ml|>could do the same with alsamixer
17:18<Aleric>/etc/asound.conf is actually the right file? I don't have it.
17:18<Aleric>I have an empty /etc/alsa/
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17:23<X-BEAD>Hi, I want install proftpd with mysql for users..
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17:24<babilen>X-BEAD: great
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17:25<X-BEAD>i have problem
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17:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:26<X-BEAD>Explain me for install proftpd with mysql
17:27<Aleric>um, whatyaknow... this was a different bios that I never looked at before :/ ... I must really be getting old
17:27<Aleric>I disabled the card in the bios now :)
17:28<Aleric>Kewl, sound JUST WORKS(tm) *giggle*
17:28<ml|>!congratulate Aleric
17:28<dpkg>Woohoo Aleric, you did it!
17:28<babilen>X-BEAD: Have a look at the documentation, search for a tutorial or let us know if you have a specific problem.
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17:28<babilen>Aleric: \o/
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17:29<X-BEAD>the tuto is for version < 1.2.0
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17:31<Aleric>I should file a bug about the session manager... I usually have 20 terminals open on different disktops... After rebooting, those terminals are opened again and they enter the same directory (very nice!) but... the correlation between place and directory is completely lost... that's useless, I better just close them all again after that :(
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17:32<Aleric>something majorly improved though
17:32<Aleric>it now opened my browser again automatically, and even synergys was restarted :))
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17:33<ml|>but... the correlation between place and directory is completely lost...
17:34<ml|>Aleric: ^ what do you mean by that?
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17:34<Aleric>I have three monitors and five desktops (called 'workstation', 'p2p', 'movies', 'nice', and well :)
17:35<ml|>ah, heh
17:36<Aleric>I have, for example, a terminal open on monitor 1 on workstation in direction /usr/src/secondlife/secondlife/snowglobe/snowglobe-svn, and one on monitor 0 on desktop movies in directory /opt/large/movies
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17:37<ml|>yes I get what you are saying now
17:37<Aleric>after a reboot, the first could be in /opt/large/movies and the one on desktop movies could be opened in /usr/src/secondlife/secondlife/snowglobe/snowglobe-svn
17:39<[green]>if I wanted to compile a large program, could I use cpufreq to slow my cpu down to prevent a lot of heat from being generated?
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17:39<Aleric>This is especially important for me because I use a system that switches history and environment as function of directory... so, for me it really would make sense and be nice if the directories where correct :)
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17:41<Aleric>(I think my system should be part of bash... it's just TOO useful to be able to assign some directory (tree) it's own history file)
17:41<linucks>[green], I don't see why not
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17:42<Aleric>ml|: if you work on different projects in different directories, you should try it too :)
17:44<[green]>see I have a netbook with a 900mhz celeron, which is pretty slow to start with, but I don't want to fry it if I compile a lot of stuff
17:44<[green]>because the fan is so small
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17:45<ml|>Aleric: thank you
17:45<linucks>[green], you may want to see if there's lm_sensors support for your hardware so you can monitor cpu temperature and only slightly adjust the frequency until you reach the optimal level
17:45<[green]>it wouldn't just melt but it would probably cut down its life span
17:45<[green]>gkrellm works
17:45<linucks>[green], yep
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17:46<[green]>how would I set the speed so precisely?
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17:46<linucks>[green], trial and error I would guess
17:47<[green]>you mean using cpufreq-set
17:47<[green]>i've never done it manually before
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17:47<linucks>[green], seems to be a good guide here
17:48<[green]>thanks linucks
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17:49<linucks>[green], hope that is helpful.
17:49<[green]>also what module would a celeron be
17:49<[green]>for cpufreq
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17:51<[green]>nice thanks
17:51<[green]>ill give them a try
17:51<linucks>[green], yeah, not sure exactly which one a celeron would be, but I am sure it is supported
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17:56<[green]>none of them work
17:56<linucks>it's a celeron processor?
17:56<[green]>yes, celeron M
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17:57<[green]>p4-clockmod works
17:57<linucks>[green], there's a guy on the ubuntu forums saying start p4-clockmod, cpufreq-ondemand and cpufreq-userspace modules
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17:58<linucks>you may want to add whichever modules you are using to /etc/modules also to load at boot time
17:58<[green]>cpufreq-info says it is working
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17:59<[green]>i don't know if I'll use it much so I'll just modprobe it when neede
17:59<linucks>yeah, true.
17:59<linucks>could make a little script to do it.
17:59<[green]>yea and set the step
18:00<[green]>450 mhz might be okay
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18:00<[green]>slow however
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18:01<linucks>[green], I guess it depends how long you're willing to wait lol
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18:01<[green]>haha it works, I can tell by the way the console takes so long to refresh
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18:03<[green]>actually the temp went down 3 deg. without without closing anything
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18:04<linucks>cool, looks like it's all going according to plan then :D
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18:05<[green]>yup thanks again and brb
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18:11<[green]>for some reason setting the freq to 900 seemed ineffective
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18:12<[green]>using "cpufreq-select -g performance" worked however
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18:12<linucks>good good
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18:13<[green]>at least it works
18:13<linucks>as long as it works right?
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18:21<[green]>is ar from binutils?
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18:36<pde>should I be alarmed by the fact that I have iceape 2.0.1-1 installed, but unstable only has 2.0-1?
18:36<pde>(I haven't changed my sources)
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18:44<wnd>apt-cache tells me iceape 2.0.1-1 is in unstable
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19:26<abeel>hi, I need help with my wireless.. someone?
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19:28<gsimmons>abeel: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
19:28<abeel>i have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g.. with kernel but i cannot setup my network
19:29<abeel>i made it with a diferent kernel
19:29<abeel>with the driver broadcom-sta-source
19:29<abeel>but in this new kernel I can't
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19:33<abeel>and... error: implicit declaration of function ‘schedule’
19:34<abeel>any suggestions ?
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19:41<gsimmons>abeel: Custom kernels aren't supported here in general. As an alternative, you could use the in-tree b43 driver, which received BCM4312 LP-PHY support in 2.6.32 ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
19:42<abeel>ok gsimmons
19:42<abeel>thank you
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20:43<newsense>i want to test some wifi antennas and need something that can plot a graph or such representing signal gain as i move and change antennas
20:44<newsense>the closest thing to what i want is unfortunately a windows app called netstumbler
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20:44<newsense>i could even settle for an app that can give an audible alert representing gain if i had to
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20:45<newsense>anyone know of an app that could help me out ?
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20:46<newsense>man i think this is a first, no app to do what i want
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20:49<abrotman>newsense: perhaps ask #wireless on freenode
20:50<newsense>abrotman: had'nt thought of that thanks, i'm hoping their not all windows users
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21:40<Coburn|MacBook>I'm needing some help. I'm running a bootstrapped version of Debian, and it's causing INIT panics after it starts booting.
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21:40<Coburn|MacBook>By that, it loads all the services (cron, syslog, etc) but then it freezes and INIT says that runlevel is respawning too fast
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21:45<Coburn|MacBook>Anyone willing to help?
21:45<babilen>Coburn|MacBook: what's the problem?
21:45<Supaplex>need more context about respawning too fast. what's the word for word message? check that entry in your /etc/inittab
21:46<Coburn|MacBook>I'm running this on a really old computer, for a wiki server. I have the CF card with debian and the crash logs on it
21:46<Coburn|MacBook>I can upload them to my web server
21:47<Coburn|MacBook>If you'd like
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21:47<babilen>Coburn|MacBook: sorry, I think i miss some context. What is 'this' ?
21:47<sixtila>ho guys
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21:48<Coburn|MacBook>babilen: my mistake, "this" refers to my bootstrapped debian
21:48<Coburn|MacBook>Yes, I have made fstab and mtab
21:48<Coburn|MacBook>The odd thing is
21:49<Coburn|MacBook>It loads everything, just before login prompt, it pauses, then INIT says "Runlevel 1 is respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes"
21:49<Coburn|MacBook>And the same message for runlevel 2
21:50<Coburn|MacBook>I did replace bash with dash and syslog with syslog-ng though
21:50<Coburn|MacBook>dpkg-reconfigure dash ... etc
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21:51<Coburn|MacBook>Any ideas?
21:52<Coburn|MacBook>babilen: did that help?
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21:54<babilen>it clarified the problem. thanks. unfortunately i don't have an impromptu answer.
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21:54<Coburn|MacBook>Would be wise if I uploaded the system logs? Would that help?
21:56<babilen>i would try on #debian@freenode. I want to go to bed. and the log files will definitely help
21:56<babilen>and don't /msg me
21:56<sixtila>gdnite babilen
21:57<babilen>sixtila: nite! status?
21:57<Coburn|MacBook>Nite bablien
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21:57<babilen>sixtila: what's the status? fixed the hardware, installed debian, ...?
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21:58<sixtila>nop, i was logging in to see if u were there
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21:58<sixtila>but its ok
21:58<sixtila>i will catch u next time
21:58<sixtila>i will try freenode also
21:58<babilen>sixtila: ask the CHANNEL
21:58<babilen>sixtila: there is no personal support
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21:58<sixtila>so my problem first was with aptitude
21:58<sixtila>apt-get doesnt threaten to remove all
21:58<sixtila>but apt-get fails to get from the source
21:59<sixtila>just could install xchat - no browser yet
21:59<sixtila>he he
21:59<babilen>yes, i realised that. And you should use aptitude ...
22:00<babilen>... but not now ..
22:00<babilen>good night
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22:12<opticon>will firefox work with debian 5?
22:12<sixtila>iceweasel , i found out is as firefox
22:13<opticon>ya looks exactly the same
22:13<opticon>but seems old
22:13<KingKong2009>is an official repo?
22:14<opticon>you ever get things like flash and java to work with weasel?
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22:16<opticon>debian seems spot on for domain networking but not so much for basic desktop
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22:17<sixtila>ya, even the addons dont work in weasel
22:17<sixtila>that is kinda sab! for web developers
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22:17<opticon>old addons do work
22:18<craigevil>i havent had any issues with plugins or extension with iceweasel, if it works with firefox it works with iceweasel
22:18<opticon>or atleast adblock plus did
22:18<sixtila>just old, yea
22:18<sixtila>and does script blocker
22:18<KingKong2009>Hi, is an official repo?
22:19<craigevil>KingKong2009: no
22:19<sixtila>where is the repos source in debian? /etc/XXX/sources.list
22:19<KingKong2009>craigevil, why is it a separate repo, do you know, couldn't find any explain on the site?
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22:19<Hydroxide>sixtila: apt
22:20<craigevil>KingKong2009: mostly patent issues, the packages from there work just fine
22:20<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: some of the stuff in there might have legal reasons in various locations, especially due to software patents but for certain packages there are copyright or other issues. it's maintained by an individual debian developer in france and has no connection with debian beyond that
22:20<babilen>KingKong2009: no, but it is well known
22:20<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: s/legal reasons/legal issues/
22:21<abrotman>sixtila: it makes it much easier on us if you only get help on one of the channels
22:22<KingKong2009>then how come those packages cannot be part of non-free in the officials?
22:22<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: non-free still can't include things that aren't legal to redistribute
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22:23<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: debian the entity doesn't want to take as many risks as some individuals do - but that's their decision, and if there are ever any consequences they will fall on them, not on debian
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22:23<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: these are legal issues, not issues with debian's free software guidelines.
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22:26<chealer>KingKong2009: the Debian project currently doesn't distribute software which is illegal to distribute from the United States
22:27<Hydroxide>chealer: these issues are much wider than the united states, though what you say is also true
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22:27<KingKong2009>many thanks guys, was wondering if there is an anything like dvdstyler in the official repo then?
22:28<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: nothing that involves decrypting CSS-encrypted DVDs (like most commercial DVDs are) will be in the official repositories
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22:29<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: due to the WIPO internet treaties as applied by the DMCA in the US and other laws in the EU and other countries
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22:30<KingKong2009>Hydroxide, I thought VLC could play CSS-encrpyted DVDs?
22:31<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: in the case of debian's version, I think you have to install something that's not in the official repositories for that to work
22:32<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: I think some debian package (maybe libdvdread3) has a shell script in one of the documentation directories that you can use to fetch the relevant decrypting library from an unofficial source
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22:32<KingKong2009>Hydroxide, ok got that thanks
22:33<KingKong2009>That brings me to another ?, is it possible to view the repo a package was sourced from even apt removing the source from sources.list?
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22:34<KingKong2009>edbian, ello and ask
22:34<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: no, that information isn't stored in a way that's independent of your current package lists
22:35<edbian>I have a netbook it's about a year old now and it has gone under light use. I hardly ever used the batter at all and now I take a look and ubuntu says my battery only has 50% capacity
22:35<KingKong2009>Hydroxide, I can see the origin of packages in synaptic though
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22:36<edbian>what gives??
22:36<opticon>in debian under system admin isnt software sources supposed to be their?
22:36<edbian>opticon: is it under preferences maybe?
22:37<edbian>opticon: It should be, you're right
22:37<opticon>i just did new debian install few hours ago
22:37<Hydroxide>KingKong2009: that's calculated as follows: "if a specific package version is installed and the same version is available in repository X, it comes from repository X"
22:38<edbian>opticon: sudo aptitude install software-properties-gtk
22:38<opticon>tried setting up software with aptitude but idunno
22:38<opticon>something seems off
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22:38<opticon>Reading task descriptions... Done
22:39<opticon>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "software-properties-gtk"
22:39<KingKong2009>Hydroxide, ah I see, no wonder dvdstyler is appearing in local/main in synaptic
22:39<edbian>opticon: I had a similar (baffling) problem once. If you install without an internet connection synaptic and software sources and a few other things are missing. Annoying isn't it? Anyway, you need to edit /etc/sources.list
22:39<opticon>synaptic isnt installed either
22:39<edbian>opticon: Yeah, same thing with me (maybe it's /etc/apt/sources.list)
22:39<opticon>i installed with internet connection did domain join during the install
22:40<edbian>opticon: Oh! Then I don't know
22:40<edbian>opticon: That's odd...
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22:40<opticon>whats default source list supposed to look like
22:40<edbian>opticon: In any even it doesn't really matter because you can set up the package manager without them and then you can use it to get them
22:40<edbian>opticon: Look it up on the internet
22:41<edbian>opticon: ??
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22:42<opticon>for package mangement aptitude is recommended from what i read on debian site
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22:43<opticon>but even with default sources updated theirs not many packages that show up via terminal when apt is ran
22:45<opticon>deb lenny/updates main
22:46<opticon>deb-src lenny/updates main
22:46<opticon>deb lenny/volatile main
22:46<opticon>deb-src lenny/volatile main
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22:46<opticon>those are all thats in the source list
22:46<edbian>How can I tell what module is being used on my sound card?
22:47<opticon>i think no one else around
22:47<edbian>opticon: just you and I?? haha
22:48<opticon>so your running debian?
22:48<edbian>on my other rig yea
22:48<edbian>I run debian lenny
22:48<edbian>what about you?
22:48<opticon>testing it out in vmware
22:48<gsimmons>opticon: Your sources.list is not referencing a Debian mirror.
22:48<gsimmons>dpkg: tell opticon -about sources.list
22:49<edbian>opticon: gsimmons to the rescue!
22:49<edbian>gsimmons: How can I tell what module is being used on my sound card?
22:50<opticon>well their are 2 other entires in it but thats only for cd-rom
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22:50<sixtila>genite debian
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22:53<opticon>country code us?
22:53<gsimmons>edbian: See /proc/asound/modules. The leading number corresponds with /proc/asound/cards.
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22:55<opticon>im in us but not sure about cc
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