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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-12-31

---Logopened Thu Dec 31 00:00:19 2009
00:01<snogglethorpe>it means "perl is annoying"
00:02<snogglethorpe>(tho python see
00:02<snogglethorpe>ms to do the same thing)
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00:09<cesurasean>grub install is failing, and so is LILO. :(
00:09<cesurasean>i tried setting up RAID 1 on lenny
00:09<cesurasean>i mean RAID 0, sorry.
00:10<cesurasean>are there cds for Squeeze?
00:10<cesurasean>somewhere where i can download a dvd iso?
00:11<edbian>I have a strange issue. I have an old PC I'm using as a debian server (web, file, email, maybe more now!) but if I leave it alone for a couple hours (like 2 or 3 sometimes just 1 though) It goes unresponsive. I can't ssh into it, if it has a monitor / keyboard they are unresponsive, I can't ping it, the webserver doesn't work. But, if I stay on it (ssh'd in and doing things) it never freezes. Any ideas?
00:12<opticon>how old is the debian install
00:12<cesurasean>not sure
00:12<cesurasean>is it possible to download an upgraded version of the iso?
00:13<opticon>i was told here that it was possible to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
00:13<edbian>opticon, It is debian lenny
00:13<edbian>less than a year ago
00:13<edbian>opticon, I see you're back! :)
00:14<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
00:14<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
00:14<cesurasean>is it possible to put net install onto a dvd?
00:15<babilen>cesurasean: sure, but why?
00:15<cesurasean>no cds. :(
00:15<babilen>!usb install
00:15<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
00:15<opticon>when is offical sqeeze release due out
00:15<babilen>cesurasean: do you have windows on that machine?
00:15<babilen>opticon: freeze is expected in march/april
00:16<opticon>great thats gonna come at a good time
00:16<opticon>is their a site i can check that shows mobo chipsets supported with lenny
00:17<opticon>got a link?
00:18<cesurasean>windows 7
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00:18<dpkg>[debian.exe] a way of installing Debian Lenny from Windows using a network connection, available from . It copies <GRUB2> to C: drive, downloads a <netboot> kernel/initrd from a Debian mirror, and creates entries in NTLDR's boot.ini for loading Debian-Installer via grub4dos. See also <win32-loader>
00:18<cesurasean>oh, no.
00:18<babilen>!tell opticon -about hcl
00:18<cesurasean>im not using windows on the machine that needs the debian install. sorry.
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00:18<imganquan>wow, nice key word "goodbye-microsoft"
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00:19<cesurasean>perhaps i should just not use a RAID 0 config?
00:19<babilen>cesurasean: what's the problem with it?
00:20<cesurasean>it's trying to put grub ontop HD0
00:20<cesurasean>instead of md0
00:20<cesurasean>i believe
00:20<cesurasean>or does HD0 link to MD0?
00:20<cesurasean>lilo doesn't tell me an error message, but also fails
00:21<babilen>if all else fails you can always install grub yourself
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00:21<cesurasean>when the computer starts up it almost goes to grub, and says some failed message
00:21<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
00:21<cesurasean>how do i get to command prompt?
00:22<babilen>cesurasean: you will have to adapt the devices though
00:22<cesurasean>ok, so after i install with the live cd, i just make up my own grub bootlist?
00:23<babilen>not sure about debian-installer w/ md0 .. Last time i did it it worked without a problem
00:23<cesurasean>with scsi?
00:23<cesurasean>well, this is a dell xps, and ive tried it like 5 times.
00:23<babilen>no, sata hardware raid
00:24<cesurasean>yeah im trying to do a software raid
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00:49<cesurasean>what is the debian live cd's root password?
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00:51<dkr>ok, bad joke. serious answer is there is no default root password
00:51<dkr>use sudo passwd if you want to set one, :)
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01:31<edbian>If I only have 1 FQDN can I still host 2 separate websites using apache if they have 2 different aliases?
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01:33<fossiiil>i'm downloading Debian...
01:33<fossiiil>will replace Ubuntu
01:35<fossiiil>there's something magical in Debian's logo
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01:48<snogglethorpe>(does ubuntu have a logo?)
01:49<snogglethorpe>(well i mean besides "brown")
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01:52<kanzure>when i try to run debuild i get a few errors about "binary file contents changed"
01:53<kanzure>however, the binary files are exactly the same as they started
01:53<kanzure>(no .deb was ever successfully built however)
01:55<kanzure>any hints?
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02:20<dhsa>on my lenny m/c, mysql server is not running......any one help me plz?
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02:21<edbian>dhsa, sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
02:21<edbian>just a guess ;)
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02:31<chealer>!tell dhsa about anyone
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02:33<dhsa>its saying
02:33<dhsa>sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
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03:09<kf_>i have solve my problems
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03:09<kf_>it need to modify a file
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03:10<kf_>but another problem has not solve
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03:10<kf_>that is lzm
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03:11<kf_>someone said that lzm is a compress file
03:11<kf_>another said lzm is a module
03:12<kf_>but where the module should be put
03:12<kf_>i have find all the system but no *.lzm
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03:12<kf_>anybody can tell me where it should be put
03:12<kf_>then modprobe
03:15<kf_>who can help me!
03:15<kf_>thanks a log !
03:15<kf_>anybody here?
03:16<cahoot>yes but it's not easy to understand what problem you try to solve
03:17<kf_>just the *.lzm how to install
03:17<kf_>or how to modprobe
03:18<cahoot>why do you think you need that?
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03:18<kf_>becase i have saw this file many times !but i don't know how to use it
03:19<gsimmons>kf_: You were informed of unlzma earlier. And support of BackTrack is still off-topic here.
03:19<kf_>it is a compress file or a modules
03:19<dondelelcaro>!real problem
03:19<dpkg>Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem>
03:20<kf_>i am sorry!
03:20<kf_>but i have try to google!but no answer!
03:21<dondelelcaro>that's fine, but you still haven't told us what you're actually trying to do
03:21<dondelelcaro>or why you think you need lzma or a module or anything
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03:21<kf_>i am a teacher
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03:22<kf_>just for solving what the students ask me!
03:23<kf_>i am so sorry!but i realy want to know what is it !
03:23<dondelelcaro>well, figure out what your actually trying to do; otherwise we won't be able to give you any useful assistance
03:24<dondelelcaro>you also may find #debian-zh to be more informative
03:25<kf_>OK!beacuse my english is pool!i hope you can understand!i am just want to install a file that it's name is spoonwep.lzm to fedora 11
03:25<dondelelcaro>kf_: this is #debian. You want #fedora on
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03:32<kf_> i am sorry
03:32<kf_>but linux unix is one home !i love debian and fedora too!
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03:42<pantelis>upgrade from 2.6.30 (testing amd64) to 2.6.31 (sid amd64) during the proccess a mesage say that some firmware has removed from kernel ( rtl8169d-1.fw rtl8168d-2.fw) how can i add this??
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03:45<gsimmons>pantelis: Do you have a RTL8169D-based device? If not, the warning can be ignored.
03:47<pantelis>gsimmons : yes i have (durring the proccess of install ask me to install the firmware and agreed)
03:47<pantelis>2.6.30 testing
03:48<kilelme>maybe this can help§ion=all
03:49<gsimmons>dpkg: r8169
03:49<dpkg>[r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for the RTL8168D v2 was removed from this driver; not packaged for Debian as there is no clear redistribution permission (see Debian bug #561309). The RTL8168D v1 will operate without rtl8168d-1.fw firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3. See also <rtl8101e>.
03:55<pantelis>i have already see the bug but something strange happen. i can use the ethernet device but i m unable to connect to router using usb-ethernet
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04:14<s4br3>Hi, when I try to export and/or import from Audacity, it complains that I don't have ffmpeg. I have a recently updated Debian Sid, but cannot find any ffmpeg package which accepted by Audacity. Please, help my family vacation videos are at stake! :)
04:14<dpkg>well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
04:15<koro>hi any suggestion for an usb ethernet adapter which works on squeeze ?
04:15<s4br3>Nemoder: Thanks, but I do have that in my apt/source.list.
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04:16<petemc>koro: ive used a good number of usb ethernet adapters and they've all worked, they're generally well supported by the linux kernel
04:17<koro>petemc: ok then ill just see whats on the shelf of local supplier
04:17<Nemoder>s4br3: oh sid, have you checked bug reports? it works fine for me in testing
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04:27<shiznatix>Hello, I had dual monitors but one went away so now I only have 1 but my ATI driver (proprietary) is still configured for 2. How do I get to the menu to configure the screens for an ATI card?
04:27<s4br3>Nemoder: it appears there has been some political conflict over ffmpeg since
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04:43<Nemoder>well that looks more technical than political
04:44<Nemoder>though I suppose when it comes down to who thinks whos code is better it's always political :P
04:45<s4br3>The current problem is that distributions like debian and ubuntu do
04:45<s4br3>include FFmpeg 0.5, but are currently not considering updating it
04:45<s4br3>until a 0.6 branch opens or something like that.
04:46<Nemoder>that is all quite old though
04:46<Nemoder>even audacity in testing is 1.3.10
04:46<kf_>today the first time use BT4 !i fell well!it's perfect!
04:47<s4br3>Any suggestions?
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04:48<Nemoder>s4br3: i would just file a bug report on audacity if you have ffmpeg installed and it doesn't detect it
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04:49<s4br3>This is what aptitude searchffmpeg says: "i A ffmpeg - audio/video encoder, streaming server & audio/"
04:50<s4br3>Can I see what installed ffmpeg A[utomatically]?
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05:04<secret>hello, how can i find out if i have a 32 or 64 bit system please
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05:06<petemc>secret: uname -r
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05:06<petemc>secret: or, if you want to know if the kernel is capable of running 64bit, cat /proc/cpuinfo
05:07<petemc>erm, s/kernel/cpu/
05:07<secret>petemc, uname -r i get onlx this: 2.6.27-9-generic, not if it i 32 or 64
05:07<petemc>are you using debian?
05:08<secret>petemc, yes
05:08<petemc>secret: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
05:08<secret>petemc, clflush size : 64 is this the answer to my question?
05:10<secret>petemc, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
05:10<secret>ii libc6 2.8~20080505-0ubuntu9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
05:10<secret>petemc, i still dont know what i have
05:11<petemc>yeah, thats ubuntu
05:11<petemc>if you were running debian, uname -r would tell you if you were using a 32bit or 64bit kernel
05:12<secret>petemc, ok, so how i can find out what i have
05:12<petemc>ask #ubuntu on freenode
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05:13<Gathond>secret: file /bin/bash
05:13<secret>Gathond, great! god it, thanks very much
05:14<Gathond>or some other binary, if it is ELF 64 bit then the system runs 64 bit
05:14<koollman>uname -m, too :)
05:14<secret>ELF 32-bit
05:14<Gathond>even if this is not the CPU may be able to though
05:14<secret>ok, now i have a another question
05:14<Gathond>then it is most likely a 32 bit ubuntu, although as said the CPU may be different
05:14<secret>what are the differencesbetween them, i mean, what doesit mean, 32 or 64 bit..
05:15<Gathond>in short, larger memory space
05:15<Gathond>from using 64 bits as opposed to 32 bits to represent values and instructions
05:16<secret>ah, ok, thanks for support
05:17<Gathond>there are some other items, support for processing data in 64 bit chunks and more registers (in x86_64's case)
05:17<Gathond>whether that is an advantage or not depends on the task
05:18<kf_>i have a junior question!if the time ubuntu have installed have a /modules
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05:19<koro>Maybe see cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep address\ size too
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05:23<heffay>If I wanted to change the permissions of a particular type of file in an entire directory tree, how would I write the string?
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05:24<EmleyMoor>heffay: It would depend on exactly what you mean...
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05:25<heffay>Let's say I have a bunch of .conf files that I want to change the permissions on in /foo. How would I write the string to affect all files ending in .conf in /foo and /foo's subdirectories?
05:26<EmleyMoor>cd /foo ; chmod -R mode *.conf - that should do it
05:27<heffay>what is "mode"?
05:27<EmleyMoor>heffay: Fill in the permission you want there
05:28<heffay>the * is a wildcard, no?
05:29<petemc>find /foo -type f -exec chmod 755 {} + , if you want to use find, and you can run it without the -exec part first to check which file it will affect
05:29<heffay>So that string would also affect a file called foo.conf.old for example?
05:30<EmleyMoor>heffay: No... only those ending .conf - not .conf.owtelse
05:30<petemc>find /foo -type f -name \*.conf -exec chmod 755 {} + , that should have been
05:32<EmleyMoor>Using find can be fun - for the rreason petemc said and more
05:32<heffay>I'm reading up on find right now.
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05:34<heffay>Is the \ an instruction to print to screen?
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05:35<EmleyMoor>heffay: No - it escapes the *, so that it has the meaning you intend
05:35<heffay>I'm sorry I don't understand.
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05:36<EmleyMoor>Not using the \ can cause find not to work as you intend - the * can take on another meaning
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05:36<heffay>oh, ok
05:37<EmleyMoor>With find, -print is implied if no action is specified these days - wasn't always the way
05:37<cesurasean>how do i reinstall or reconfigure grub 2 to chainload from the previous version of grub? apt-get install grub2 did not work, and grub 2 is not being used, but only grub at the moment.
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05:38<heffay>Isn't there a chainloader in apt?
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05:38<cesurasean>im not sure how the chainloader works
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05:44<cesurasean>I upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and grub 2 does not seem to be installed. how do i get it installed and chainloaded?
05:46<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: Try purging it, then reinstall.
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05:48<cesurasean>emleymoor, purge what exactly?
05:49<cesurasean>how would purging fix the issue?
05:49<cesurasean>it never gave me an option to chainload from grub.
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05:50<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: It removes any old config - and you should be offered the choice to do so - it seemed to work that way when I did it - though I am now on grub2 only on my squeeze system
05:50<heffay>I seem to remember there being a command to type
05:50<cesurasean>well, it's not upgrading from grub to grub2 like it should, for some odd reason....
05:50<heffay>and it takes care of the chainloading for you
05:51<heffay>it provided me all the prompts when i upgraded
05:51<cesurasean>how do i install grub2, and chainload the current grub config?
05:51<craigevil>it should ask you if you want to upgrade to grb2 after you reboot, the command is upgrade-grub-legacy i believe
05:51<cesurasean>its not
05:51<cesurasean>let me try that then
05:51<craigevil>aptitude install grubr
05:51<EmleyMoor>It should normally upgrade setting up chainloading as it goes. There is then the option of taking ld grub out once you are sure grub2 works
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05:52<cesurasean>upgrade-grub-legacy command not found
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05:52<craigevil>you have install grub2
05:53<craigevil>dist-upgrade doesnt install it, even on sid i had to install it
05:54<cesurasean>ok thx
05:54<cesurasean>i think i got it. upgrade-from-grub-legacy
05:56<cesurasean>GRUB Legacy has been removed, but its configuration files have been preserved,
05:56<cesurasean>why does it still boot into grub legacy then?!
05:56<cesurasean>i don't see it boot into grub 2 on the monitor, just grub legacy
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05:57<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: What exactly do you see that implies that?
05:57<cesurasean>when the monitor comes on, it shows grub 1.whatever, and never shows grub2
05:57<cesurasean>how do i know if grub2 is even installed?
05:58<EmleyMoor>grub 1.whateve IS grub2
05:58<EmleyMoor>grub legacy is 0.whatever
05:59<cesurasean>grub 2 is 1.something?
05:59<cesurasean>and not grub 2.something?
05:59<locklace>judd versions grub-pc
05:59<judd>locklace: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.98~20091210-1 sid: 1.98~20091229-1 experimental: 1.98~experimental.20091229-1
05:59<EmleyMoor>There is no 2.something yet
06:00<cesurasean>how come the spalsh screen doesnt look like my other system?
06:00<EmleyMoor>Are they both supposed to be the same?
06:02<craigevil>because grub2 is totally different than grub-legacy
06:03<cesurasean>no its not
06:03<cesurasean>its the same splash screen as grub on this server
06:03<cesurasean>that is what im trying to get you to understand. apt-get install grub2-splashimages is not the solution....
06:03<cesurasean>it should say chainload
06:04<cesurasean>then go to the older legacy splash, and load
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06:04<cesurasean>grub2 package is not installed on my other server either
06:04<EmleyMoor>cesurasean: If you have upgraded from, there is no chainloading.
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06:08<cesurasean>lenny install grub2?
06:08<cesurasean>i think there was no legacy on this machine, and lenny must have installed grub2 by default.
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06:09<gsimmons>cesurasean: No, Lenny does not install GRUB 2 by default.
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06:44<dpkg><martianlobster> is is there something like winscp for linux?
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06:54<pantelis>when plug usb router take this message any idea
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06:56<seeS>to me it looks like the driver is not quite right
06:57<pantelis>me too
06:58<pantelis>i think that the r8169 cause that
06:58<pantelis>the ethernet device is rtl 8168
06:59<pantelis>and the firmware that supported has removed from kernel 2.6.32
07:00<pantelis>it works ok with 2.6.30
07:00<pantelis>any idea how to fix it
07:00<seeS>you sure the firmware is not available?
07:00<seeS>i mean the obvious thing is to just use 2.6.30
07:00<pantelis>yes that the easy way
07:03<seeS>isnt the firmware in firmware-linux-nonfree ?
07:03<pantelis>ihave already testit
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07:04<seeS>hmm, im not sure then
07:04<pantelis>any idea??
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07:05<pantelis>everything is wellcome
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07:05<gsimmons>pantelis: Uh, how is a USB CDC Ethernet device possibly related to the r8169 driver?
07:06<seeS>i did wonder that but figured there was a reason
07:06<pantelis>because try to see it as the ethernet
07:06<pantelis>think so
07:06<pantelis>don't know
07:07<pantelis>anu expert??
07:07<pantelis>any expert??
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07:29<dhs>hi all
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07:32<dhs>i hve installed lenny as router in small office and a squid proxy server on it, nw the problem is i am not getting internet to client PCs, i m getting only when i enable the proxy with browser and that too with browser only not for other net applications..., can any one tell me why?
07:33<seeS>sounds like you want a transparent proxy
07:33<seeS>ie no configuration on the desktops at all?
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07:34<dhs>if i enable proxy in browser i m getting net..., only in browser
07:35<dhs>not for any other net applications
07:35<seeS>sounds like a problem with the desktop setup
07:35<seeS>each application has to know to use the proxy, some look at the browser settings, some look elsewhere
07:36<dhs>but now how to set up it plz...
07:37<seeS>its application specific
07:37<seeS>ie a linux desktop using gnome there is a gnome proxy setting
07:37<dhs>but earlier it was fine working....
07:37<seeS>ok, what did you change?
07:38<dhs>nothing, i changed the server with new installed and i copied old squid.conf to new
07:39<seeS>are they attempting to connect to the server?
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07:40<azeem>dhs: maybe you did not enable ip forwarding on the server if it acts as gateway as well
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07:46<dhs>azeem: i hve enabled ip forwarding, if not how clients r getting net after enabling proxy?
07:47<azeem>via the proxy?
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07:48<dhs>azeem: yes via proxy i can get net and only for browser
07:49<azeem>I don't think you would need ip forwarding for that
07:49<dhs>it needs
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07:57<riley>Hey room. I'm having some trouble installing a printer on debian with lxde. My gnome laptop just autoinstalled it. I've run through the wizzard in systemtools>printers but after hitting "apply" it's not showing the printer in the list
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08:18<jarlaxe>Hi everyone, I run a squeeze/sid on an SDcard on a 1000HE. 2 days ago i did an dist-upgrade. Grub2 didn't like it and messed up. On the boot, grub tell me "cannot find the symbol "grub_puts". I tried to find ways to fix it, but I don't understand grub2, and files like /boot/grub/grub.cfg had warnings "don't modifie the file" ... anyone suggestion ?
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08:23<valdyn>jarlaxe: grub2 is/was broken on debian
08:23<abrotman>works fine here ...
08:23<abrotman>jarlaxe: which part of the file do you want to edit?
08:23<valdyn>abrotman: for some cases only, not generally
08:23<valdyn>jarlaxe: can you access the filesystem currently?
08:23<abrotman>actually, for me, grub2 works fine in lots of places .. i think i only use grub1 on one machine still
08:24<valdyn>jarlaxe: id be courious to see the size of core.img
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08:24<jarlaxe>valdyn: how to fix it ? and i can have acces to the file (mounted on a live ubuntu), i check the size of core.img
08:24<abrotman>i'd say if you've got issues with grub2 being broken, you should file bugs before squeeze releases .. I think they're intending ot make it the default
08:25<valdyn>abrotman: and the patch is in ubuntu, its probably in sid too now
08:25<jarlaxe>abrotman: i running sid in fact
08:25<abrotman>just one patch fixes it all? :)
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08:25<valdyn>jarlaxe: core.img can only be ~299xx or similar bytes, so go check
08:25<ml|>grub2 works fine here on a couple machines, I had some minor issues at first with memtest86+ but that is all
08:26<jarlaxe>valdyn: 27456
08:26<valdyn>jarlaxe: ok, thats ok
08:26<valdyn>jarlaxe: rerun grub-install
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08:27<valdyn>abrotman: its "trivial" to break grub by requiring to many drivers in core.img
08:27<valdyn>abrotman: but most people dont have such a setup
08:27<jarlaxe>valdyn: i running now a liveubuntu. how do i rerun grub intall on the remote SDcard ? (mounted on the liveunbuntu)
08:27<dpkg>a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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08:28<jarlaxe>cd /media/[the SDcard] && chroot . /bin/bash ?
08:29<abrotman>valdyn: that's what they get for playing with funny stuff :)
08:30<valdyn>9856 5. Dez 12:44 reiserfs.mod
08:30<valdyn>reiserfs kills you ( and your grub2 )
08:31<jarlaxe>so i'm root on the SD card now. grub-install, it asks me options and so on. What do I enter ?
08:31<valdyn>jarlaxe: /dev/sda? i dont know where you want to have it installed
08:32<jarlaxe>so, grub-install /dev/sda? (? = the correct device, correct ?)
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08:33<jarlaxe>just a pb, now the SDcard is mount on sdc1. after, it gonna be change and become sdb
08:34<valdyn>looks like that bug was fixed anyway
08:34<valdyn>now my core.img is again small enough
08:35<jarlaxe>ok. I lauch it and we'll see
08:36<jarlaxe>/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).
08:36<jarlaxe>No path or device is specified.
08:36<jarlaxe>Try ``/usr/sbin/grub-probe --help'' for more information.
08:36<jarlaxe>Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.
08:36<jarlaxe>Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly.
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08:37<jarlaxe>shut ! mistaken ^^
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08:57<pope>hi! can i have a mountpoint in a directory that is mounted? e.g. mount /dev/sda1 -> /a and mount /dev/sda2 -> /a/b ?
08:58<beginner>Hi, I am trying to get my wifi working on my pc, and couldn't find a file
08:58<babilen>pope: sure
08:58<abrotman>beginner: you don't want to use that
08:59<beginner>I think I do, why?
08:59<gsimmons>beginner: The AR5007 has been supported in ath5k for some time now.
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08:59<babilen>pope: that happens all the time. (are you using multiple partitions right now? if yes: you are already using this basic mechanism)
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09:00<beginner>ati radeon x1250
09:00<beginner>samsung r60plus
09:00<beginner>has not been yet checked
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09:01<abrotman>what does the video card have to do with madwifi?
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09:03<beginner>nothing to do with that, just gave more info on pc
09:03<beginner>check here
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09:35<beginner>what is the problem if sudo bash can not resolve my host user
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09:40<beginner>sudo: unable to resolve host r-laptop
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09:47<peej>I have a pdf file with encryption. How can I save it in decrypted form?
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09:54<peej>pdftk will do it.
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10:13<beginner>build is missing
10:13<beginner>and I can't run the make command
10:14<beginner>does anyone have any clue have can I make this file?
10:14<babilen>beginner: kernel headers?
10:15<beginner>i am not that much familiar with jargons
10:15<beginner>but I think so
10:15<babilen>beginner: have you installed the kernel headers of that kernel? what are you trying to do anyway?
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10:16<beginner>I am trying to get my wifi working
10:16<beginner>and there are some files need to be installed
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10:17<beginner>so, I want to run "make" command
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10:17<beginner>how can I check if I installed kernel headers?!!
10:17<dpkg>The Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> and install a later kernel image package. For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
10:17<babilen>beginner: what are you trying to compile?
10:18<beginner>I am following commands in this webpage
10:19<beginner>I want to install madwifi-nr-3366+ar5007
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10:19<babilen>why? support is in the kernel
10:20<beginner>so what is your solution?
10:20<babilen>or rather provided by the 'ath5k' module ..
10:20<babilen>beginner: are you using the 2.6.30 kernel from backports right now?
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10:21<babilen>try 'modprobe ath5k' and have a look at 'dmesg | tail -n 10'
10:22<peej>oh. sucks:
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10:24<babilen>ok, looks like it was loaded already. run 'modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k' and paste the output again
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10:25<babilen>peej: try other pdf viewers ... like evince, okular, ... they might have that feature
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10:25<beginner>there is not output!!!?
10:26<beginner>I ran the command, but nothing, no message
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10:26<babilen>the output of the dmesg line
10:26<babilen>'dmesg | tail -n 15'
10:27<peej>babilen, thanks for the tip. evince -> print as pdf -> saves as decrypted version.
10:27<babilen>peej: \o/
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10:29<babilen>beginner: your card is working
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10:29<beginner>I think so, its blue indicator is on
10:30<babilen>you might want to follow a better tutorial ...
10:30<beginner>what do you think of the webpage I am following now?
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10:30<babilen>or just solve the problems yourself by reading the applicable documentation. you can ask here if you need help with something
10:31<babilen>beginner: it's a tutorial for ubuntu (and a rather old version of it)
10:31<beginner>ok, thanks
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10:36<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:40<babilen>abrotman: ?
10:40<beginner>I have many stuffs to do, and am short in time
10:41<beginner>yet, this stupid build file took a lot of my time! :(
10:42<beginner>kernel header
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10:44<beginner>make-kpkg build kernel_headers We do not seem to be in a top level linux kernel source directory tree. Since we are trying to make a kernel package, that does not make sense. Please change directory to a top level linux kernel source directory, and try again. (If I am wrong, and this is indeed a top level linux kernel source directory, then I have gotten sadly out of date with current kernels, and you should upgrade kernel-packag
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11:12<converge>>>> im trying to configure my wireless network, i have a bcm4311 model broadcom and i installed the drivers, it's ok and running, but it still not working, somebody can help me? <<<
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11:13<cahoot>iwlist scan shows some accesspoints?
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11:15<jesperj>I have an unencrypted lenny install and I want full system encryption. My plan is at this stage to make a new install of lenny on another harddrive and setup encryption during the install. What I wonder now is if I can export my list of installed packages that I have now, and import them on the new lenny install without problems? The first thing of my concern is that one system has full system encryption and one does not? Does this ma
11:15<jesperj>tter in this case for exporting and importing the packages?
11:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
11:16<valdyn>jesperj: ^^
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11:19<jesperj>valdyn: Thank you, but the concern and question I stated earlier remains, although thanks for the syntax.
11:19<jesperj>will the system encryption part be any problem with the export and import of packages?
11:20<jesperj>0r hmm.... maybe I totally misunderstood what that meant. *reads again*
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11:21<babilen>!aptitude clone
11:21<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone>
11:21<dominic>is mac-on-linux in the powerpc repositores?
11:21<babilen>jesperj: ^^^ might also be applicable
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11:22<jesperj>but what about the full system encryption on the targer system? does it have any relevance at all or will everything work, LUKS encryption or not on the whole / drive ?
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11:24<babilen>jesperj: you will have to install the packages needed for the encryption in addition to those on the old install. But you should not run into problems. (the aptitude clone method will just install additional packages)
11:25<jesperj>yes I guess I should have explained that the main worry is that using a list of packages from the old install would mean that packages that are needed on the new install for encryption and stuff, gets removed because they conflict with something that was installed on the old system, or similar.
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11:27<jesperj>But it sounds good that no packages from the old install could conflict with the things installed on the new system, to break the system based on that the new system has encryption installed
11:27<babilen>I wouldn't worry about that. But check that before you remove some packages.
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11:28<jesperj>babilen: You mean when aptitude is processing the imported list of packages? That requires that I have knowledge of what packages to watch out for, which I do not.
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11:30<babilen>jesperj: cryptsetup for example. But just try it. If aptitude *really* wants to remove some packages from the base install after you've done this, come here and let others have a look at the list
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11:31<babilen>I doubt that you will run into that though
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11:34<jesperj>Thank you babilen. I hope so :)
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11:38<jesperj>When I install my new lenny install on my second harddrive, I want the new install be the one that is booted of course. Will this happen automatically with the install? And also will I still be able to dualboot into my old install on the first harddrive?
11:40<jesperj>I have probably known these things before but it has been many years since I did this, so I have forgotten and am confused now :-/
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11:43<Titan8990>jesperj, you will need to change boot order in the BIOS to boot to 2nd drive, or install grub to mbr of 1st drive
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11:47<jesperj>Titan8990: *nod* I suspected that I need to do that. And then I can perhaps edit grub on the second drive to be able to boot the first drive?
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11:49<jesperj>if I want/need to boot my old system
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11:50<Titan8990>jesperj, yes, typically though, all your linux installs will share a single boot partition to make things easier
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11:52<Mcc_Chile>¿esto es solo para hablar de GNU/Linux ??
11:52<jesperj>Titan8990: I will remove the system on the first drive after some weeks or so when I know the new install is working as it should
11:52<Mcc_Chile>Recien empeze a usar Debian
11:53<jesperj>Titan8990: so with than known perhaps I can then just configure grub on the new system to boot the old system since it is temporarily?
11:53<Mcc_Chile>mmm parece que nadie habla español
11:53<Titan8990>jesperj, yes
11:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:54<jesperj>Titan8990: thanks.
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11:54<jesperj>Happy new year #debian!
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12:00<imganquan>jesperj: your timezone?
12:01<jesperj>imganquan: 4 hours to go :) I congratulated in advance
12:01<jesperj>or wayt
12:01<jesperj>6 hours
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12:01<jesperj>time to put on coffee :)
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12:02<snogglethorpe>2010 here
12:02<snogglethorpe>(2 hours ago)
12:02<imganquan>jesperj: haha. it's 01:01 of 2010-01-01 in my timezone now
12:02<snogglethorpe>my this beer is tasty
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12:04<jesperj>congrats to you both then
12:04<snogglethorpe>i suppoe the world could end before other people get there
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12:04<snogglethorpe>could happen
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12:05<imganquan>snogglethorpe: you are in japan? korea?
12:06<snogglethorpe>was just on the phone to korea
12:06<snogglethorpe>it's 2010 there too!
12:06<imganquan>snogglethorpe: Yes. I'm in China. 2010 came in one hour ago.
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12:07<snogglethorpe>a toast!
12:09<snogglethorpe>um, "may the '10s be less of a clusterfuck than the '00s!"
12:09<snogglethorpe>(though somehow i have my doubts...)
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12:40<kop>What's the "perfect way" to produce an iso image from a cd? If I just dd the image won't I get the 2 "run out" blocks appended to the end?
12:41<kop>s/image/device file/
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12:46<skilltik>fuck man
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13:36<xente>Hey, does anyone know of a good html IDE in the deb repos?
13:37<Titan8990>xente, IDE for html? you mean a text editor that does syntax highlighting
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13:37<abrotman>xente: IDE for what?
13:37<rex>i use gedit and customize the prefs a bit
13:37<Titan8990>a lot of IDE features wouldn't apply to html
13:37<abrotman>oh .. duh .. html
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13:37<rex>it has syntax highlighting for like everything
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13:37<xente>I use emacs generally....but I was wondering if there is something with syntax highlighting
13:37<abrotman>xente: bluefish is one .. the mozilla compozer is another .. anjuta i think also does html .. i think kate does also
13:37<Titan8990>xente, anyways, emacs
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13:38<Titan8990>xente, emacs highlights syntax...
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13:38<abrotman>xente: emacs and vim both have html highlighting
13:38<xente>and also a preview option
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13:38<Titan8990>you mean like has a built in web browser?
13:39<xente>how do you get emacs to preview your html?
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13:39<Titan8990>never used it, just know it exists
13:39<xente>abrotman: thanks for the ideas...
13:39<xente>thanks, tho
13:40<Titan8990>ah, looks like debian only packaged the web browser for 21 (unless its just built-in to 22)
13:41<Titan8990>xente, but as far as using it as an IDE, ECB is highly recommended
13:43<rex>but you'll still wanna test in other browsers than the emacs preview
13:43<xente>thanks, all
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13:47<kop>xente: Emacs has syntax hilighting, doesn't it?
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13:48<xente>kop: does but I am also looking for something that will preview the html and allowme to edit the html in that form also
13:48<kop>xente: I wonder if there's a firefox plugin?
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13:48<xente>kop: good idea...I'll have to check it out
13:50<kop>It seems that to copy a cd you can either dd the device and use a block count you get from df after mounting, or just use dd until you get an error and then use -isosize with wodim. I keep figuring this out over and over....
13:51<edbian>How is it that most websites are simply "" and when I build one it must have '" ???
13:53<Titan8990>edbian, webbrowser always try to fetch index.html or index.php so you just don't see it?
13:53<kop>edbian: It depends on your webserver. There's an apache config (DirectoryIndex) that say's what file is searched by default. See also the "Options Multiviews" directive.
13:53<Titan8990>kop, oh, i thought it was the web browser that did that
13:54<kop>Titan8990: Maybe some do. But it's really a server thing.
13:54<kop>edbian: I prefer multiviews so that I can change scripting langauges etc behind the scenes and never have to change the publicly visible urls.
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13:55<kop>edbian: (But there are more efficient ways for high traffic sites, iirc.)
13:55<edbian>kop, can you explain multiviews in a little more detail for me? What does it do?
13:56<edbian>kop, Hides the real URL ?
13:56<NV>heyias, running Debian Lenny, is there any particular reason why the kernel is built with gcc 4.1.3 but the system default gcc is 4.3.2? I'm aware gcc 4.1.3 gets installed at the same time (well, it did for me anyway), but the logic behind doing so seems a bit strange
13:56<kop>edbian: Better read the docs at It basically makes the .suffix invisible allowing for various scripting languages and human languages to be transparently represented in a single url.
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13:57<edbian>kop, Thanks! :) Very helpful
13:57<kop>edbian: Together with DirectoryIndex it can make the file on the end of the url invisible. (as I recall)
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14:00<Nemoder>NV: if you have both version installed you can use: set CC=gcc-<version> to specify which you want
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14:01<NV>Nemoder: yes, I'm well aware, the question isnt "how do i set my gcc version to be the same as was used to build the kernel" but rather why the world gcc is different than the kernel gcc by default
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14:02<NV>ie, why wasn't the kernel built with gcc 4.3.2 as most other releases do. I suspect there is a reason behind it (seems like a lot more effort and mucking around doing it that way) rather than someone forgetting to change it or the like, but I can't seem to think of what it is, hence why im asking
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14:02<chealer>NV: installing the kernel shouldn't install gcc 4.1.3
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14:05<NV>chealer: installing build tools though ;P
14:06<opticon>anyone around that can assist me with apache?
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14:06<NV>normally for a release, when one fetches build tools, it fetches the build tools used to build the kernel and all the packages
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14:07<edbian>opticon, What are you trying to do?
14:08<opticon>well im working on creating a blog
14:08<opticon>something simple i have page created its saved as php doc
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14:09<opticon>apache2 has been running since the debian install
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14:09<opticon>the default page loads
14:09<rex>if you go to http://localhost do you see 'It Works!'
14:09<opticon>but how do you replace the default page wiht something else
14:10<opticon>useing the filemanager it wont let me del contents in the /var/www dir
14:10<chealer>NV: no
14:11<k1lumin4t1>how to mount a .dmg image (MAC OSX) in linux to see its content?
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14:11<rex>opticon, gedit /var/www/index.php
14:11<NV>chealer: no?
14:13<rex>opticon, try a root terminal and run nautilus or gedit
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14:13<Titan8990>lol open a root terminal to open a gui file browser you can delete the contents for a folder?
14:14<chealer>NV: it's false that "when one fetches build tools, it fetches the build tools used to build the kernel and all the packages"
14:14<opticon>(nautilus:4894): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
14:14<opticon>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified
14:14<Titan8990>why not `rm /var/www/*`
14:14<opticon>what does that mean
14:14<Titan8990>opticon, that because gnome intends for you to use gksu to gain elevate privs for launching the app as root
14:15<rex>opticon, Applications > Accessories > Root Terminal then type nautilus and hit enter, then browse to /var/www
14:16<opticon>well i opened root term then put in gksu then typed in nautilus
14:16<opticon>but it gave the same warning
14:16<Titan8990>i have been supporting in #debian chans for a long time
14:16<rex>if you open root terminal you should be able to just type nautilus
14:16<rex>oh sorry i didnt see the warning
14:16<opticon>ok i just tried that same thing
14:16<Titan8990>but this honestly the first time I have seen someone try to talk someone through clicking on GUIs when it can be very easily accomplished without it
14:16<Titan8990>even easier imo
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14:17<rex>what about gedit
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14:17<ml|>yeah why bother when rm as root works much faster and easier
14:17<rex>sorry Titan, he would know better than me opticon
14:18<opticon>open for anything else
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14:18<NV>chealer: im just saying my experience with a lot of other binary distros
14:18<opticon>i dont care how i do it as long as the end result works
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14:19<Titan8990>There is often 10 ways to do something, but often 9 of those ways are wrong
14:19*Titan8990 wishes he remembered the bot command for that :)
14:21<opticon>i ticked the box to save root pass in term for my session
14:21<opticon>maybe thats whats causing that warning idunno
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14:21<chealer>NV: well, that's not the case in Debian
14:22<NV>so no real logic behind not using 4.3 to compile the kernel then?
14:22<Titan8990>opticon, all you want to do is edit /var/www/index.html?
14:22<opticon>replace index.html
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14:22<opticon>with a page i created
14:22<Titan8990>opticon, which is where?
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14:23<opticon>page i created is saved on desktop in a folder called blog
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14:23<ml|>just cp -a file or dir /var/www/ as root
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14:23<Titan8990>opticon, cp ~/Desktop/blog/index.html /var/www/
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14:24<Titan8990>imo ~/blog would have been more appropriate
14:24<opticon>well i kno desktop doesnt exist
14:25<Titan8990>opticon, what?
14:25<ml|>opticon: have you looked at debian-reference?
14:25<opticon>not in depth
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14:26<Titan8990>opticon, what do you mean "desktop doesn't exist"?
14:26<Titan8990><opticon> page i created is saved on desktop in a folder called blog
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14:26<ml|>opticon: you should when you have time /msg dpkg reference
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14:27<Titan8990>ml|, do you know if its bad practice to add your user to the www-data group for editing apache owned files?
14:27<opticon>i meant in the file structure
14:28<Titan8990>opticon, pastebin `ls ~`
14:28<Titan8990>oh, sorry, your root
14:28<ml|>Titan8990: I do not, but I'd just use root
14:28<Titan8990>opticon, cp /home/<username>/Desktop/blog/index.html /var/www/
14:29<Titan8990>ml|, i do too... but that wouldn't work out well if you are sharing hosting with someone else who is not capable of administrating the server (which is a situation i will be in very soon)
14:29<opticon>cp is that like xcopy?
14:29<ml|>Titan8990: just setup sudo with only the commands he/she might need?
14:31<Titan8990>opticon, no, xcopy is like a really crappy rsync
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14:31<Titan8990>opticon, `man cp; man rsync`
14:31<chealer>NV: did you read ?
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14:36<NV>chealer: nope, but that explains it
14:36<NV>good to see its been resolved later on
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14:46<jhasua>Hola a todos
14:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:59<opticon>titan i got it
15:00<Titan8990>opticon, what did you do?
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15:02<opticon>copied it over with cp after some tinkering
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15:04<Titan8990>opticon, what tinkering?
15:06<opticon>user error
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15:08<Titan8990>opticon, ah, ok
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15:32<retrospectacus>squeeze... I have configured in power management "When laptop lid is closed: Blank screen" but the screen does nothing (stays on) when I close it. Also, the screensaver never comes on. These used to work until a recent upgrade of gnome-session and things
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15:49<enviro>One can always count on a #debian channel being occupied :)
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15:52<esaym153>grr, how in the heck does the sky2 module keep getting loaded at boot even though I have deleted it from /lib/modules and added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
15:53<abrotman>it's in the initrd ?
15:55<esaym153>abrotman: I don't know about initrd. If it is, how do I remove it?
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15:57<wubb>hi there
15:57<wubb>i keep getting "Errors were encountered while processing: fam" when using apt-get, do any of you know why this is happening and/or how to fix it?
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15:57<wubb>when running apt-get, i mean
15:58<wubb>doh, i said that
15:58*wubb needs to sleep
15:58<Titan8990>wubb, pastebin the full command and the output
15:58<wubb>well, it happens every time i do 'apt-get install'
15:59<wubb>and im not in X right now
16:00<chealer>esaym153: do you use a stock kernel?
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16:04<abrotman>!tell esaym153 about blacklist initramfs
16:04<esaym153>abrotman: chealer: update-initramfs -u fixed it
16:05<Titan8990>wubb, well, I can't help without seeing the full output
16:05<wubb>Titan8990: i can't pastebin but it also says "insserv: Service portmap has to be enabled to start fam", which looks like possibly useful info
16:06<Titan8990>wubb, apt-get install fam | pastebinit
16:06<babilen>wubb: remove fam, install pastebinit and try to install fam again
16:06<wubb>ok, ill try that
16:06<Titan8990>wubb, aptitude install fam | pastebinit
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16:07<wubb>thats a useful program :o
16:07<luizpaulo_>alguem me ajuda
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16:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:09<chealer>esaym153: interesting. I had no idea initrd included network drivers
16:10<abrotman>that didn't come out right ...
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16:13<wubb>Titan8990: any ideas?
16:14<Titan8990>wubb, /etc/init.d/portmap start and try again
16:14<Titan8990>or, install portmap
16:14<Titan8990>seems to me like that is a bug
16:14<Titan8990>like it should depend on portmap or atleast not die because it couldn't start immediatly after install
16:15<wubb>reinstalling portmap fixed it :D
16:15<Titan8990>wubb, sorry, but I have to go, if you still have problems im sure someone else will be arround to assist
16:15<Titan8990>oh, excellent
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16:17<edbian>I have a question: I'm learning how to run my own email server (from my house) since we only have a typical consumer account with comcast (ISP) we have dynamic public IP which put me on a couple common RBL lists. Is there anything I can do about this?
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16:28<rex>edbian, use this
16:29<edbian>rex, Thanks! :)
16:30<rex>yup, i believe it is the only one that's truly free still.
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16:38<edbian>rex, How is it that companies like goDaddy can sell domains but gives them away for free?
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16:44<wnd>quick seach suggests doesn't give out domains, it only resolves hosts under (and possibly others)
16:45<wnd>once you have stuff "under" it, such as and, are effectively free
16:46<rex>you have to buy it with godaddy still
16:46<rex> > > your IP
16:47<rex>you can login to and update your ip when it changes, or there are many options to have a script check and update it automatically
16:47<edbian>rex, You think I should use afraid's nameservers? How does that help me not look like a static IP address?
16:48<edbian>rex, babilen, I still have a dynamic public IP (given from my ISP) regardless of what nameservers I use right?
16:48<rex>yes, you should use the name servers
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16:49<rex>because when your ip changes, you then update it with, then your domain gets pointed to the correct ip address immediately, instead of having to wait for a dns change to propagate
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16:51<edbian>rex, why are they better than NS27.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS28.DOMAINCONTROL.COM ??
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16:51<rex>because those are godaddy's default nameservers
16:51<edbian>rex, How is faster than any other DNS provider?
16:51<rex>is your domian currently 'parked' with godaddy or somethign?
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16:52<edbian>rex, what does 'parked' mean? Points to some godaddy add page?
16:52<peter5>well, with any NS service, speed of updates mostly has to do with the TTL field on the individual records
16:53<peter5>if godaddy uses a long TTL like 1 hour or 1 day, that's not very good for dynamic IPs compared to for example what uses, 5 minutes
16:53<edbian>peter5, godaddy uses 1 hr
16:53<rex>if you had a static ip, you can setup your own and make that your ip (can be done in godaddy), but since you have a dynamic ip, a service like is necessary
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16:54<edbian>my issue is that other email servers are recognizing that my domain name points to a dynamic ip. The ip itself hasn't changed in months. I don't care about that at all. I care that email servers are rejecting email from my server.
16:54<peter5>edbian: that's a bigger problem. best solution from my POV is to just use the smarthost that your ISP should have provided for you
16:54<babilen>can't you use your ISPs mailserver as smarthost?
16:55<rex>oh i see, sorry edbian i misunderstood
16:55<edbian>rex, No problem. You're trying to help :)
16:55<peter5>I was skeptical of using a smarthost but experience shows that the yahoo sbc smarthost, even though it runs qmail, is quite fast and reliable.
16:56<rex>does gmail reject emails from your domain?
16:56*abrotman hands peter an "S"
16:57<edbian>rex, I haven't tried gmail because I don't have an account there right now. I sent an email to my college ( and it was rejected because of the RBL policy. I did an RBL check on my domain name and one of the common list was complaining that I was a dynamic IP address (and therefore untrustworthy)
16:57<peter5>the other solution would be to find some open relay out on the internet somewhere and use _them_ for a smarthost. (: Then your problem is no longer being on a DUL, but being on a traditional RBL!
16:58<peter5>abrotman: stupid DSL ... I've been reconnected 11 times in the past 48 hours, compared to maybe once or twice over the past year before that
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16:58<edbian>The whole point of this is so that I can have "" for my email address. Is it possible to keep my domain while masking my dynamic IP? Will a smarthost do that for me?
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16:58<peterS>edbian: if your smarthost doesn't filter the envelope sender to force it to be their own issued email addresses ... it'll work fine
16:58<abrotman>peterS: i'd only noticed a few ... it's the snow!
16:59<peterS>abrotman: actually my theory is that SBC / AT&T suddenly noticed that their uptimes for the past year have been really good, so they figured they'd better hurry and bring down the expectations in time to calculate service level for calendar year 2009
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17:00<peterS>edbian: in my case, I had to use some sort of web thingy for my DSL provider, to add some additional 'permitted' email addresses for my account
17:00<rex>edbian, i know its not the solution you're looking for, but i do not have that problem because my name servers are static ( etc..) although my server's ip is dynamic
17:01<edbian>rex, What is a static name server? What is a dynamic name server?
17:01<peterS>rex: if your server's IP is dynamic, and you're issuing SMTP transactions from it, you still have the same problem. a lot of people on the internets will reject mail from known ranges of dynamic IPs.
17:02<edbian>If I use this smarthost as an intermediate does all of my mail pass through it? Only outgoing (from my server to someone else) ?
17:02<peterS>and the ISPs are actually pretty cooperative in identifying their own ranges of dynamic IPs for the DULs (dial-up lists) to tabulate
17:02<rex>peterS: even though the ip of the nameservers never change?
17:02<peterS>edbian: yeah the idea is to set up your local mail server to know about local mail and deliver it locally, but anything that isn't local automatically goes to the smarthost
17:03<edbian>peterS, Which hopefully doesn't mask the domain name.
17:03<peterS>rex: unless the nameservers are the things making SMTP connections, they don't have much to do with anything
17:03<edbian>peterS, Mail coming in does not touch the smarthost at all then?
17:03<peterS>edbian: correct, and correct. Unless the smarthost is evil and decides to rewrite the sender address as the message passes through. It is certainly possible that some ISPs do this.
17:03<edbian>peterS, rex, babilen You've all been very helpful. Thank you! :)
17:04<edbian>peterS, comcast has been known to be evil.
17:04<peterS>edbian: yeah I don't know anything about comcast, they don't do service in my part of the world, but sure. OTOH I heard a rumor awhile back that they'd started feeding IPv6 addresses to their DHCP clients, and if true, that's pretty cool
17:05<rex>ohhh i understand now peterS - thank you. correction, i do not have that problem because i setup all my accounts inside of a gmail account and use their smtp
17:05<peterS>rex: so you're effectively using a smarthost. sure.
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17:06<rex>right on, thank you
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17:07<peterS>edbian: btw, I couldn't test direct SMTP from here even if I wanted to. AT&T in their wisdom decided to block all outbound TCP 25 (except to their smarthost) a few years ago. This annoys me because I actually need to test live SMTP from time to time ... but I totally understand why they did it. I even support their decision.
17:07<edbian>Why can't we all just switch to IPv6 and be done with all this garbage?!
17:08<edbian>peterS, A few jerks ruin it for all of us!
17:08<peterS>annoyingly, I don't even get 'connection refused' or 'no route to host' when I try outbound SMTP, I just get a black hole. Which means it sometimes takes 30 seconds before I remember what I'm doing - "oh right, I have to ssh over to that other server in order to test this!"
17:08<edbian>Someone mentioned to me that if my server is "verisigned" that I will also probably get rejected. Any comments on this?
17:09<abrotman>for mail ?
17:09<edbian>peterS, abrotman yeah,
17:09<edbian>I don't really know what the hell they were talking about
17:09<abrotman>i know what verisign is ...
17:10<peterS>uh, Verisign is a company that provides a lot of services. What do you mean by the verb, then?
17:10<edbian>that's what I was hoping you guys could figure out
17:11<abrotman>edbian: have you done anytihng with verisign ?
17:11<edbian>I think he was referring to the ssl certificates
17:11<edbian>abrotman, Never
17:11<abrotman>then why does it matter?
17:12<edbian>Someone mentioned that I need to do something with them or else my outgoing emails will not be accepted by most other email servers
17:12<peterS>ok so you have an ssl certificate ... do you use it for SMTP? I can't imagine using one for SMTP (i.e., encrypting the session with STARTTLS when the other end supports this) would cause you to get rejected
17:12<edbian>("them" being verisign"
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17:13<edbian>peterS, I know, I didn't argue with the person at the time because I really didn't have a clue about running an email server yet.
17:13<Kraven>Hi, is the problem outgoing mail with dynamic ip?
17:13<edbian>Kraven, yes
17:13<edbian>Kraven, My plan is to use a smarthost
17:15<Kraven>I would suggest a smarthost, too.
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17:16<edbian>Kraven, Hopefully they don't re-write my domain name. That almost entirely defeats the purpose
17:17<Kraven>In germany arcor has a service named pia, where the domain-name is not rewritten. The arcor mail address is only written to the header of the mail, so you can see it, when you look at the full header
17:17<edbian>Kraven, Unfortunately I live in Il (America)
17:18<edbian>Can you guys clear something up for me real quick? When I "ping" on a local machine how does the computer know I'm pinging the local address and not the on the internet?
17:19<peterS>edbian: couple of things. first, your IP and netmask will indicate whether the destination IP is on the local network segment or not. so for instance if your local IP is 192.168.1.yyy and netmask is, it means that anything starting with 192.168.1 will be looked for on the local net
17:19<edbian>peterS, mhmm
17:19<Nemoder>also see:
17:19<edbian>Nemoder, thanks
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17:20<peterS>edbian: if you type '/sbin/route -n' you will see in detail how it figures this out. you just have to know how to read the Destination, Gateway and Genmask fields.
17:20<peterS>edbian: and yeah, as Nemoder alludes to, 192.168.x.y is _not_ "on the public internet" at all, it's reserved for private networks. See RFC 1918.
17:21<peterS>edbian: the public internet has no 0.x.y.z, 10.x.y.z, 192.168.y.z, or 172.16.y.z through 172.31.y.z
17:21<peterS>or 127.x.y.z, come to think of it, or 224.x.y.z through 255.x.y.z
17:21<peterS>there are a few other reserved ranges that nobody really thinks about, though, so I don't remember where they are
17:22<Nemoder>but who owns and how did he get all my pron??
17:22<peterS>I do, Nemoder
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17:27<edbian>Nemoder, ha ha
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17:27<edbian>How do they do things with hostnames then? Some LANs have local hostnames right?
17:28<Kraven>I would sys /etc/hosts or with a local DNS-server
17:28<edbian>Kraven, Can my router function as a local DNS-server?
17:29<edbian>doesn't dhcp also somehow know what the hostnames are?
17:29<peterS>edbian: most 'routers' that do NAT and run their own DHCP will also run their own proxy DNS
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17:29<edbian>peterS, I just have to figure out how to set it up then! (although I don't think I have it, I was looking earlier)
17:30<peterS>edbian: proxy DNS meaning they'll be a DNS server in between you and the ISP - but _not_ an authoritative DNS server that serves its own user-configured zones. just in case that is what you wanted.
17:30<Nemoder>I use an old PC with debian as my router, dnsmasq handles it really well
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17:31<edbian>peterS, My machine at school is sort of the same thing. It has a dns cache on it to help speed up my surfing.
17:31<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>hello !
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17:31<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I have a problem with aptitude...
17:32<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, What is it?
17:32<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>there is VERY FEW programs...
17:32<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>there are
17:32<peterS>edbian: well, as to that ... I wonder how many el cheapo nat routers would do any significant DNS caching. I mean they might do a little but I bet it isn't a very big cache
17:32<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, I think your real problem is your sources.list file ;)
17:33<edbian>peterS, Thank you again, you've been VERY helpful! :)
17:33<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I'm a beginner, I checked it quickly but didn't look at it carefully ^^
17:33<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, pastebin it! :)
17:33<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, Do you have the GUI installed?
17:34<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I have GNOME (I think XD)
17:34<edbian>Do you have a system menu on the top panel?
17:34<Nemoder>you only have one CD as a source, you should either add more CDs or just use the net as a source
17:34<edbian>Nemoder, He also has the security repos
17:34<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I used only one CD
17:35<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, Go to system -> admin -> software sources
17:35<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I have to use all the CDs ?
17:35<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, no no, the CDs contain the entire repos that are available online ;)
17:35<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, you can use the the entire 27 disc CD set (seems abit excessive though don't it?)
17:36<edbian>or you can just use the Internet. Go to system -> admin -> software sources
17:36<Nemoder>using the CDs is really only useful if you have a poor or nonexistent internet connection
17:36<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>edbian : I don't see it (I'm French but I don't see any equivalent on my menu)
17:37<abrotman>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2: add 'deb lenny main' and then run aptitude update
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17:37<Nemoder>abrotman: looks like he installed with squeeze though
17:38<abrotman>fine .. s/lenny/squeeze/ ..
17:38<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>that's what I just wanted to say ^^
17:38<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, You can either use the GUI tool I pointed you to or you can edit the file by hand (abrotman suggested)
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17:38<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, Effectively the same exact thing
17:38<Nemoder>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2: you can also comment out your cdrom line if you dont want to have to keep using it
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17:39<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, Yes, if you leave the CD there it will ask for the CD when you try to install any package that might happen to be on the first disc
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17:40<edbian>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2, All better then?
17:41<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>yes it looks like it's working
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17:41<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>now I can do aptitude upgrade :)
17:41<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>État actuel : 650 mises à jour restantes [+650], 25123 nouveaux paquets [+25123].
17:41<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>Ouch !
17:42<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I have 25123 new packets ^^
17:42<babilen>mib_gqaaxx2t77w2: do you try to upgrade from stable to testing?
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17:42<mib_gqaaxx2t77w2>I installed testing
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17:43<babilen>happy upgrading
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17:44<Kraven>Is there a trick to find out what packages I need to add to an initramfs? Im trying to be able to unlock a luks encrypted partition out of the internet via ssh.
17:45<Kraven>I can already unlock the partition using ssh, and I get an internet connection, now all that is left, is getting the IP to dyndns. But the initramfs is not able to resolve the nameserver and the python script I'm using isn't working either.
17:46<Kraven>So how can I find out, what binaries/libraries or whatever is missing?
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17:53<rex>just noticed the Microsoft WebsiteSpark logo looks a lot like debian's
17:54<retrospectacus>squeeze... I have configured in power management "When laptop lid is closed: Blank screen" but the screen does nothing (stays on) when I close it. Also, the screensaver never comes on. These used to work until a recent upgrade of gnome-session and things
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17:55<retrospectacus>MS needs to release the source of their site under the GPL
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18:02<memnon>Happy New Year to everyone +1
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18:03<abrotman>both networks? seriously?
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18:04<pierre_le>happy new year
18:04<pierre_le>apt-get install 2010
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18:08<eniac_petrov>while(1){ printf "ЧНГ %s", geeks[*] } ;
18:08<eniac_petrov>while(1){ printf "Happy New Year %s", geeks[*] } ;
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18:09<szentike_>boldog új évet!!!
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18:11<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:17<Kraven>happy new year
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18:21<Bolle1961>happy new year
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18:24<opticon>maybe someone might know when publishing apache2 what is default virtual directory to publish if your firewall requires path name for publish content from webserver?
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18:26<abrotman>how does your firewall know about the filesystem path ?
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18:27<opticon>thats good question
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18:28<opticon>firewall i use is isa server 2004
18:28<tampered>hello, i need some help with ip address//
18:28<abrotman>so just ask
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18:28<tampered>i already have a box with a single NIC, with a class c ip
18:28<abrotman>opticon: okay ... so what?
18:28<tampered>i wish to add another class c on another subnet
18:29<tampered>notmally i would configure eth0:1
18:29<tampered>do i need to add gateway for second ip?
18:29<peterS>tampered: no. default gateway is not a per-subnet thing, it is 'the route to use if your packet doesn't go to a local network'
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18:30<tampered>hmm then how would i proceed?
18:30<peterS>admittedly, in /etc/network/interfaces, it _looks_ like a per-subnet thing, but it really isn't one
18:30<peterS>tampered: depends on what you want. why do you want a second gateway? if you open a connection to some random server on the internet, what gateway should it use?
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18:31<tampered>second gateway would be
18:31<tampered>some redundancy...
18:32<tampered>can it use both at same time?
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18:33<opticon>maybe be easier to explain like this i have 1 iis webserver that is hosting main site 1 public ip and domain name debian on new server with apache2 with site
18:34<opticon>what i want to do is gain access to apache2 page from wan
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18:34<opticon>apache2 works fine on lan
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18:34<abrotman>so, shouldn't you call microsoft and ask them how to configure their software ?
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18:36<opticon>the microsoft software thats running works
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18:36<opticon>its the other software that im trying to intergrate with the network that is funny
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18:43<brainbug>hello, and to all happy newyear; got a little question; i'm having problems with the default kernel 2.6.26 (just my wifi...) anyway, found something about "backports", i tried that and it's working, anyway my question: will my packages still be easily updatable? or does it alter things in any special way? Just try to understand what backports does.. - thx
18:44<shay>Hi, I have a problem with the ethernet adapter on one of my boxes, it's supposed to be a gigabiy adapter, but I only get 10mbit (as seen with ethtool) I tried changing the speed to 1000 with ethtool but it didn;t work. any idea?
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18:46<retrospectacus>shay: the link speed is auto-negotiated when you plug in the cable. It could be the device on the other end of the cable
18:46<abrotman>brainbug: it's basically a place where they put backported packages .. you can always uninstall them if you want to go back to the original one
18:46<peterS>shay: I'm guessing it is the quality of your network wiring, or your switch, that is preventing the card from going that fast
18:46<babilen>brainbug: don't worry. You have to explicitly install packages from backports and they don't "shadow" the ones from lenny when you upgrade
18:47<brainbug>ah great thx all
18:47<shay>retrospectacus, peterS : another machine is connected to the same switch and does get to 1000mbit/sec
18:47<abrotman>brainbug: i believe one caveat is that when you go to squeeze, you'll want to uninstall the BPO pacakges if possible
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18:47<peterS>shay: normally, autonegotiation works fine. if you can, see what happens if you use a different switch, or a different cable, or even just plug two gbit NICs directly into each other
18:48<retrospectacus>shay: try the same cable and switch port as the working 1000 connection
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18:48<peterS>shay: I note that gbit transceivers are required to autodetect polarity, so no messing with crossover cables
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18:48<brainbug>abrotman, oke thx
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18:49<shay>peterS, retrospectacus will try, thanks
18:49<danielq__>hello. I tried to compile and install After compiling successfully, i "sudo make install" but there were only two lines:
18:49<danielq__>sh /home/danielq/linux/linux- arch/x86/boot/bzImage \
18:49<danielq__> "/boot"
18:49<danielq__>It looks like it failed. why?
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18:50<peterS>(by 'required to autodetect polarity', I mean the gbit standard requires this. doesn't necessarily mean every transceiver chip out there actually does it right.)
18:50<danielq__>hello. I tried to compile and install After compiling successfully, i "sudo make install" but there were only two lines:
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18:50<danielq__>sh /home/danielq/linux/linux- arch/x86/boot/bzImage \
18:50<locklace>!lart danielq__
18:50*dpkg chops danielq__ in half with a free AOL CD
18:50<brainbug>try one line danielq__...
18:50<locklace>!tell danielq__ about pastebin
18:50<danielq__> "/boot"
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18:51<peterS>danielq__: the usual way to install a self-built kernel is to use make-kpkg from the 'kernel-package' package
18:51<locklace>danielq__: what makes you think it failed
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18:51<locklace>danielq__: you think it should have 1000 lines of output instead of 2? would you think it succeeded then?
18:51<chaos>i use make-kpkg :)
18:51<danielq__>when it rebooted, the new version is not on the grub list
18:51<chaos>well if it said something like "yeah! success!" that wouldn't hurt
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18:52<locklace>danielq__: that's because you have no clue what you're doing
18:52<babilen>update your grub. and use make-kpkg
18:52<chaos>i suppose since you do everything manually you have to add it to grub manually too
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18:52<locklace>danielq__: and don't install kernels that way; "aptitude install kernel-package" and read the README files in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
18:52<danielq__>:( I am a newbie to linuxe kernel
18:52<babilen>or rather: use make-kpkg
18:52<babilen>danielq__: Why do you need a new kernel?
18:52<peterS>danielq__: if you aren't going to use make-kpkg, at least you need to run 'update-grub' to rewrite /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/grub.cfg
18:54<danielq__>babilen. i just want to learn the kernel stuff.
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18:56<danielq__>thanks, i'll try that
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19:00<chocolat888>Bonne Année !!!
19:00<peterS>bonne année à vous aussi
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20:03<chaos>i have 2 subnets connected to a debian box which also works as a router for the internet ... how do i create a virtual network so the boxes on the two separate subnets can see each other?
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20:05<chaos>and plz no questions why i have two subnets ... i have them because i want them pasta
20:05<chahibi>chaos: brctl
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20:11<chaos>!dpkg brctl
20:11<dpkg>Install the bridge-utils package and read the bridge-utils-interfaces(5) man page (Lenny) or /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz (Etch). It contains basic and advanced bridge configuration examples ("dhcp" can be used in place of "static"). IP forwarding does _not_ need to be enabled. If intending to bridge a wireless interface in managed mode, see and ask me about <ebtables>.
20:13<chaos>!dpkg ebtables
20:13<dpkg>from memory, ebtables is used to configure Ethernet frame rules in the Linux kernel. Like <iptables>, but operates at the MAC layer. Packaged for Debian.
20:13<chaos>isn't that great? /msg doesn't work
20:13<chaos>ahh... i missed the b :)
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20:24<peterS>when you say you have two 'subnets' it implies they are in separate IP ranges. I guess what you mean is two separate ethernet segments. although 'segment' is a misnomer in this day of bridges and switches
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20:44<Guest983>help whois
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20:52<linucks>hey there, is there anyone that has had experience using the simple-cdd package?
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20:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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20:58<abrotman>linucks: if you want specific help, ask a specific question
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21:01<linucks>abrotman, and others, yes thanks, I found my answers in #debian-custom.
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21:09<abrotman>reset again!
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22:08<sixtila>happy new year #debian
22:11<omes>yeah, happy new year!
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22:24<Mr_Queue>well the new year has made me think of the squeeze freeze. it due in what Feb?
22:25<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
22:26<najmi>helo indonesia
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22:27<Mr_Queue>dumb ass
22:28<linucks>How do I select the architecture for a simple-cdd build? e.g. I am building on an amd64 box but want to make an i386 image. Any advice would be appreciated.
22:28<linucks>(I cannot find this in the documentation/wiki)
22:28<Mr_Queue>linucks: your working with debian-live eh?
22:28<linucks>Mr_Queue, kind of, I am working with
22:28<Mr_Queue>errr... live-helper
22:29<linucks>so it's similar but is not Debian Live, I did try that but it does not do what I want it to do ;P
22:29<Mr_Queue>well looking at that link I thing you'd be better off with live-helper.
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22:29<Mr_Queue>what is it missing?
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22:30<linucks>okay some background: what I am doing is making a custom installable version of debian for a project called Sphirewall which is a firewall and netfilter_queue replacement
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22:31<linucks>(basically a very stripped down version of Debian that includes the Sphirewall firewall and it's dependencies)
22:31<Mr_Queue>Yeah I'm still hearing live-helper
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22:32<linucks>oh really? well, I will take a look at the documentation, the dev guys in #debian-custom seemed to think this was the right tool- but you could be right
22:32<linucks>actually, live is not what I want
22:32<Mr_Queue>you can pick everything... arch, package list etc..
22:33<linucks>it needs to be an installer that can be hooked up to get the latest version of whatever from our package repo
22:33<linucks>with debian-live (if it is indeed installable) a new version of the ISO would have to be created for each new release of Sphirewall.
22:33<Mr_Queue>regardless you are going to need a 'standard' debian system and include that package you want.
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22:35<linucks>Mr_Queue, not to get into an argument ;) but simple-cdd does exactly what we want to be done
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22:35<linucks>anyway, it is looking like I'll just have to build the i386 version on a i386 install of debian inside a VM
22:36<Mr_Queue>maybe. my experience is with live-helper.
22:36<linucks>ah right, it just didn't have the tools there for a custom installer- that was the problem we ran into
22:38<linucks>as the name implys it seems to be better suited if you want a custom live cd of Debian was the what I had found.
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23:14<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i have a non-linux based question and i don't know where to post it, so here goes: i have two wireless routers and i'd like to turn one of them (DI-724U) into a repeater; this router doesn't have the firmware that can support this feature. so, i was thinking if there's an open-source alternative for the router that can make it function as a repeater?
23:14<abrotman>maybe ##networking or #wireless on freenode
23:15<paranoidphreak>abrotman: thanks, i'll try it there
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23:27<goodger>happy new year to those using the gregorian calendar--- how does one kill an uninterruptible process?
23:27<abrotman>a zombie ?
23:28<dpkg>A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
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23:29<goodger>it's showing as D, for "uninterruptible sleep", in ps aux
23:30<goodger>as opposed to Z ("zombie")
23:30<goodger>kill -9 fails
23:32<goodger>usually it works if I send SIGSTOP and then SIGKILL but this time it's just staying as D...
23:32<goodger>google implies a reboot
23:32<abrotman>did you try killing the PPID ?
23:33<goodger>how does one determine that?
23:33<abrotman>ps ef has it
23:33<abrotman>erm .. ps -ef
23:33<goodger>are you embarrassed to be seen to use BSD syntax?
23:34<abrotman>ps -l <PID> .. is that better ?
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23:34<goodger>PPID is 1
23:35<goodger>I assume killing PID 1 would be a poor idea
23:35<goodger>if even possible
23:36<goodger>you know what, this system is going to crash in the next few minutes anyway, so I may as well restart
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23:42<goodger>well, that seems to have fixed it
23:42<goodger>though how it could have failed to fix it remains to be seen
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