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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-03

---Logopened Sun Jan 03 00:00:25 2010
00:00<user01>eeeuser, now i can play bowmaster prelude at the correct resolution
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00:12<Pubuntu>Tired of NIGGERS? Sick of their monkeyshines? Would you rather never have to deal with the fecal-colored beast? Then you are not alone! Join us at Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! We welcome anybody who isn't a NIGGER and who HATES NIGGERS!
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00:13<goodger>hurrah for ignorance of basic scientific fact
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00:17<dwon>there goes my IQ
00:18<dkr>well, I had to look up what "monkeyshine" means, so at least I learned something. :)
00:19<goodger>it's true, African individuals of homo sapiens do look more similar to species in the pan genus
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00:19<goodger>but I think the view of them as somehow less evolved is a tad passe
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00:30<dwon>It's like saying Ubuntu is Debian because it looks like Debian. ;)
00:30<dwon>or something
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00:30<goodger>it's an accurate analogy
00:31<goodger>homo split from pan some time ago but retains a 98% similarity
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00:35<danny>porter1, wouldent start up in normal mode it says glx and nvidia dosent exist
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00:35<danny>porter1, but trying to install 185 now ill let u know how it goes
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01:10<chahibi>... and everybody understood
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01:12<Scrambles>Hi all -- I compiled a custom kernel by doing an apt-get install linux-source-2.6.32, loaded the /boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-686-bigmem file (make menuconfig), then did the ole' make-kpkg clean, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers. It built the two packages, I installed them, I rebooted it and the new kernel can't find the root partition (ext3). Any idea what I might be doing wrong?
01:13<Scrambles>I did an update-initramfs for the new kernel, that didn't help.
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01:13<Scrambles>(btw, I'm running sid)
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01:23<glitch>hello world
01:24<glitch>this is a sad day for me.... I've been a computer geek for over 10 years, and THIS is the 1st time I've ever used IRC lol
01:24<glitch>sad.... I know lol
01:24<Scrambles>haha... irc has its charms, but there's a good reason it's not too popular.
01:24<glitch>y so?
01:25<glitch>still seems to be the only place you can find the hacker community lol
01:25<Scrambles>Well, for example, you can be like me a few minutes, coming into a room with 300+ people in it, ask a specific question and not have a single person with a clue about the answer in the room, apparently.
01:26<glitch>speaking of which.... does is matter what network you're on if you know what channel you want?
01:26<Scrambles>At least with a mailing list you only have to ask once, and can expect that an answer might take a couple of days. :-)
01:26<glitch>wow.......... what's the q?
01:26<glitch>this is why i stick to forums lol
01:26<Scrambles>are you talking about wireless?
01:27<glitch>no...... like right now i'm on the OFTC network in the #debain channel (i believe)
01:27<Scrambles>oh haha, no idea. i don't use irc much.
01:28<glitch>and if i wanted to switch to a specific channel, would i have to be on a specific network? or will any of the nets get you there?
01:28<goodger>glitch: you won't be connected to the #debian on the freenode network here
01:28<glitch>i see your frustration lol
01:29<Scrambles>Good luck!
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02:15<heffay>this might be a dumb question but how can i tell if a program installed on my system is 64 or 32 bit.
02:16<rex>your cpu is 64 bit?
02:16<heffay>I'm running the amd64 kernel but im installing a 32-bit chroot right now
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02:17<heffay>after i attempt to install a program, i want to verify whether or not its 32 or 64 bit
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02:33<ottoshmidt>heffay, if you were trying to install 32b then it should be 32-bit anyway, shouldnt it?
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02:40<eeeuser>heffay: Use the file command. such as "file `which echo`". This will tell you what kind of ELF it is.
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02:41<heffay>Yeah I just switched into the chroot and did an aptitude search foo and noticed that non of the programs i use were install so I'm right to say that the 32-bit versions are not installed correct?
02:42<heffay>and if i install from the chroot, it IS the 32bit
02:42<heffay>I'm sorry was is ELF?
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03:31<slush>its a binary format
03:32<slush>oh, wait
03:32<slush>seems I need more coffee, morning all
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03:55<firefox>A) is there anyway to raise the TX power on an rt2500 wireless card? b) if so whats the safe limit? C) maybe related, but the card randomly and constantly loses its associations? it may go for 24hrs, or 3 minutes.
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04:06<Supaplex>is for
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04:06<firefox>scare crows
04:07<Supaplex>yes and yes
04:08<firefox>I think the solution is to hard wire my house lol. Must...find...lazier way..
04:10<eeeuser>firefox: buy a repeater, or a better arial for your base-station. Or if you are on a desktop, a better arial there.
04:10<eeeuser>cranking the power may be in violation of your local spectrum laws. Cards are usually configured on a per-country basis (thats why APs ask you what country you are in, so it can choose the TX power).
04:11<firefox>well I Don't want to buy anything. I thought about making a cantenna, but no one sells N connectors around here.
04:11<eeeuser>Alternately examine the list of countries and what TX powers they allow, then convince your ap that you have moved there.
04:11<firefox>eeeuser, hmmm, I live in the usa. and I am using ddwrt on the router
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04:11<eeeuser>Then consider what country you would rather be in.
04:12<eeeuser>I cannot endorse changing your country to one that supports a higher TX power.
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04:15<Supaplex>I can hear how badly his bones will break if the fcc decides to push their weight around
04:15<firefox>eeeuser, I guess I should find the max allow TX for here. I live in a sparse place so I doubt I will be messing up anyone else, but still. I got a lot of recieve errors on the router.
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04:20<firefox>eeeuser, well I found something. lets see if my tired cave man brain can understand it though lol.
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04:24<firefox>eeeuser, Well, to put it bluntly... it says the max EIRP is 1w for a multi-point... and my card is transmitting at 100mW... I think the card would ignite before I could reach 10x power, so I don't see any problem with upping it... the question is... how?
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04:28<firefox>hmm think I could give it an extra %50 w/o overheating it?
04:28<eeeuser>I've never tried, but doesn't iwconfig have a txpower option? Does your card support that?
04:28<firefox>eeeuser, yeah I just RTFM'd it lol I was trying to think of a safe rate if it actually worked
04:29<eeeuser>remember dB is a logarithmic scale.
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04:31<firefox>eeeuser, well iwconfig didnt puke at me.... but at the same time I didnt see a change..
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04:32<eeeuser>Don't know beyond that.
04:32<firefox>eeeuser, going to try 21dbm
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04:36<firefox>eeeuser, well I think its just blowing me off. I guess I'll just see tomorrow about moving the modem and router into the garage amd hard wiring. I got a bunch of extra face plates anyway.
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04:39<The-Pretender>cdlu you'r my slave
04:40<The-Pretender>fuck off
04:40<The-Pretender>whire of wore
04:40<The-Pretender>fuck in your ass
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04:43<fossiiil>I'm using Ubuntu and want to migrate to Debian Lenny
04:44<fossiiil>I have /home on separate partion. Will Debian's partion manager allow me to setup this partion as mountpoint with formatting it ?
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04:44<cahoot>you can keep /home on a separate partition and let debian leave it alone
04:45<fossiiil>one more question
04:45<fossiiil>when i install from DVD (ISO images of Lenny), i get Gnome by default, right?
04:45<cahoot>fossiiil: but I *think* you have to use manual partitioning
04:46<fossiiil>will installer allow me to choose such option?
04:46<cahoot>fossiiil: default only if you choose to install a DE
04:46<fossiiil>ok...i want to install desktop...but want to switch from Gnome to Xfce
04:46<cahoot>fossiiil: yes the install ill let you decide partitioning method
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04:47<gsimmons>fossiiil: You can elect to install Xfce during installation ; /msg dpkg install xfce
04:47<fossiiil>cahoot: fine, i'll backup /home partion, just to be sure if something goes wrong
04:47<fossiiil>gsimmons: very well, thanks
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04:52<eeeuser>Is there an easy way in git to move all files in a directory into a subdirectory in the current directory? mv normally just skips it "cannot be moved into itself" but git freakin aborts.
04:53*eeeuser grumbles about having to learn how to mv using half a dozen different vcs systems.
04:53<fossiiil>Got a Question?
04:53<fossiiil>If you are curious about something, feel free to ask on the IRC channel dedicated to Git - #git on freenode.
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04:54<fossiiil>just enter #git on Freenode :-)
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04:55<fossiiil>Will i get Flash support in Iceweasel?
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04:55<EmleyMoor>fossiiil: Flash support seems to be OK on a fresh browser - if at all stale, Flash seems to hang
04:56<EmleyMoor>Restarting iceweasel fixes it
04:56<fossiiil>looks bad...comparing to Firefox and non-free flash plugin
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04:58<fossiiil>i read i can install official flash from Adobe and Iceweasel will use it...fine
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05:04<fossiiil>fine, i can add non-free and other interesting repositories! i hope i'll enjoy debian and it's hard configuration ;-)
05:04<kleanchap>I want to install Debian over the wireless network. My laptop has Broadcom WiFi adapter. During the network install bootup, how can I load the Broadcom driver?
05:05<cahoot>no easy answer to that
05:06<firefox>fossiiil, just add non-free at the end of the entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
05:06<fossiiil>kleanchap: maybe this can help?
05:06<fossiiil>firefox: i know from Ubuntu, thanks anyway
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05:07<kleanchap>fossiiil, Thnx. I will check this out.
05:07<firefox>fossiiil, wow so tired I actually thought that was a question..
05:07<dpkg>[bcm43xx] the _old_ driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Linux at 2.6.17-rc2, disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26. Lenny and Squeeze users, ask me about <b43> instead. Etch users with 2.6.18 kernel, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter> or follow the instructions at
05:07<simonrvn>kleanchap: ^^^
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05:10<gsimmons>kleanchap: Note that the b43 driver is not included in Debian installation images (bug #547731).
05:10<cahoot>nor the firmware
05:11<kleanchap>I have been on and off using Debian. Lenny, Squeeze, Etch....which is the stable one? How do I stay with the stable version?
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06:34<omer>any turkish people?
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06:36<dpkg>hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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06:47<TR>anyone awake?
06:48<dpkg>rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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07:02<tuxcrafter>hi all i am getting an soft lockup with debian stable on a server here
07:02<tuxcrafter>what does ^ that mean exactly
07:02<tuxcrafter>should i be worried?
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07:05<Muzer>half-way through an upgrade from Etch to Lenny (one that I made quite a hash of because I ran out of hard disk space at one point and had to resize the partition, then run dpkg --reconfigure -a and apt-get -f install), the b43 wireless driver stopped working. Although it worked before, I now get either Microcode not responding or Initial Values Firmware file-format error (they alternate) in the dmesg log. The driver is compiled-in, so I
07:05<Muzer>can't try reloading it. I have now completed the update through other means and AFAICT I'm not completely on Lenny, and the problem remains. Any suggestions?
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07:05<Muzer>*AFAICT I'm completely on Lenny
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07:08<kleanchap>What is the default windows manager install for Debian? LXDE or XFCE?
07:10<gsimmons>Muzer: What kernel are you using now? (uname -r)
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07:11<Muzer>gsimmons: Latest MIKE
07:12<Muzer>As I always was
07:12<Muzer>sorry, wrong channel :p
07:12<valdyn>Muzer: reinstall the firmware file(s)
07:12<Muzer>valdyn: I've tried
07:12<Muzer>I'm using the same kernel I was before the upgrade
07:12<valdyn>Muzer: kernel isnt firmware
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07:12<Muzer>valdyn: I know
07:12<Muzer>I'm answering two questions at the same time
07:13<valdyn>Muzer: have you tried or have you done it=
07:13<Muzer>This is on the Wii, so I have to use a specialised kernel
07:13<valdyn>Muzer: have you tried or have you done it?
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07:13<Muzer>valdyn: I have tried re-installing the firmware (the open-source one is what worked before)
07:13<Muzer>I'll just find out the kernel versionm
07:14<Muzer>It's based on 2.6.32 with some Wii-specific drivers compiled-in
07:14<valdyn>Muzer: i think were talking about different things
07:14<Muzer>(including a hacked version of b43 to support SDIO)
07:14<valdyn>Muzer: im talking about the firware for you b43
07:14<Muzer>valdyn: We are, I was answering gsimmons
07:14<Muzer>at times
07:15<Muzer>just finding what version precisely of the firmware I was using
07:15<Muzer>I'm using this:
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07:15<Muzer>and the latest git of b43-tools to compile it
07:15<Muzer>the same firmware worked before the upgrade
07:15<Muzer>and I've tried re-compiling and re-installing the firmware from scratch
07:15<Muzer>still the same error
07:17<Muzer>"The Nintendo Wii WLAN card has been successfully tested with version 5.2 of the OpenFWWF firmware. This firmware is licensed under GPLv2 and is freely redistributable." is what I went by - but I'll try the instructions on there
07:17<valdyn>thats very confusing
07:17<valdyn>b43 firmware cant be gpl iirc
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07:18<valdyn>( hence how can the whole of openfwwf be? i dont know
07:18<Muzer>Presumably it can - why shouldn't it? It's just a re-write of the b43 firmware
07:18<Muzer>but yeah, I'll try the closed firmware
07:18<Muzer>just in case
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07:18<valdyn>Muzer: openfwwf is a whole linux kernel or somesuch
07:18<Muzer>presumably I can do the steps on my PC and then transfer it to the Wii? I have no other way of connecting the Wii to the internet than WiFi
07:18<Muzer>valdyn: No, it's not, it's just firmware
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07:19<Muzer>and as I said, it worked on the same kernel and with the same firmware BEFORE the upgrade, so I am very confused
07:19<Muzer>but yeah, I'll try the propreitary firmware as I said
07:19<Muzer>at least if it doesn't work we could probably rule it out
07:20<mbruins>is network-manager-gnome installed by default on a debian installation?
07:20<valdyn>mbruins: depends
07:20<mbruins>im sorry i checked the package page and found the awsner
07:20<mbruins>valdyn: what do you mean?
07:21<valdyn>mbruins: its not part of a minimal install, its part of the desktop install though iirc
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07:22<mbruins>valdyn: i understand maybe i diddnt ask it correctly. but my question is awnsered now. thanks
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08:50<box02>hi .. I just wanted to ask about git tracking the executable files after building c source files. I want git to untrack executable files. what can I do? I know this is debian chat, but if somebody has experience, please tell me advice. thanks
08:51<bremner>box02: try #git on freenode
08:51<box02>how to jump there
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08:53<bremner>what irc client?
08:53<ml|>change to use the freenode server then /join #git
08:53<box02>I use xchat
08:53<box02>thank you guys
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08:54<box02>bye now
08:54<box02>I will change
08:56<box02>so I am in shit
08:57<box02>I don't have registered in there. thank you
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09:05<myung>how do i install unrar?
09:05<myung>sudo apt-get install unrar or sudo aptitude install unrar wont do it :SSS
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09:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell myung -about non-free sources
09:06<myung>unrar isnt free? :S
09:06<ml|>!tell myung about unrar
09:07<myung>wow nice bot
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09:08<babilen>myung: and use aptitude
09:09<ml|>dpkg: tell myung why aptitude
09:09<myung>so which lines do i have to edit for non free?
09:09<ml|>dpkg: tell myung about why aptitude
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09:12<gsimmons>myung: The bot told you, the "main Debian mirror lines". If you don't know what to adjust, provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file at a paste site ; /msg dpkg paste
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09:13<myung>yeh yeh ive figured out :P
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09:14<myung>hey what server is this channel on?
09:14<weasel> aka
09:14<myung>oftc? what does it stand for?
09:15<weasel>you can find out on your own if you just Try
09:15<weasel>I strongly believe in you
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09:15<ml|>dpkg: tell myung about oftc
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09:16<insigne>alguem quer tc?
09:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:17<myung>!kr ?
09:17<dpkg>[kr] Korea (South)
09:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:17<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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09:18<myung>ohh ok srry ^^;;
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09:20<insigne>i am from brasil.
09:21<ml|>myung: so try /msg dpkg msg the bot
09:22<myung>i will :P
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09:23<ml|>insigne: that channel language won't help you? and you can ask your question here but in english
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09:27<insigne>alguem quer tc comigo?
09:27<babilen>insigne: /join #debian-br or ask in English
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09:29<ml|>heh, isn't that what dpkg said
09:30<babilen>yeah ... But pointing it out again seems to be necessary quite often.
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09:42<mihkel>Hi. In /etc/bash.bashrc I have:
09:42<mihkel>alias emc="emacs -nw"
09:42<mihkel>export EDITOR="emacs -nw"
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09:42<mihkel>but echo $EDITOr displays nothing
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09:43<mihkel>it should be emc? Well atleast it has been so for long time
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09:43<mihkel>only recently I have lost my editor variable
09:43<weasel>maybe your *login* shell does not source etc/bash.bashrc?
09:44<mihkel># To enable the settings / commands in this file for login shells as well,
09:44<mihkel># this file has to be sourced in /etc/profile.
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09:44<mihkel>how to I let /etc/profile know that I have bash.bashrc
09:45<mihkel>or should I just put my editor settings in profile file?
09:45<cahoot> add 'source /etc/bash.bashrc' ?
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09:46<weasel>you probably shouldn't edit the files in /etc to begin with
09:47<ml|>you can set that up also in you /home tho and would be better
09:47<mihkel>I want that setting to be systemwide
09:47<mihkel>cahoot, that seems to work
09:48<ml|>keep in mind those files can change on upgrades
09:48<mihkel>I know that
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10:15<The-Pretender>zobel fuck off fuck with your mouth
10:15<The-Pretender>whire of wore
10:16<The-Pretender>~x fr en fuck
10:16<The-Pretender>Fuck off
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10:16<cahoot>another case of Tourette
10:16<Ch4m0>Ping flood The-Pretender ?
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10:17<The-Pretender> /ctcp zobel
10:17<elky>looks like target practice
10:17<The-Pretender>t pre?
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10:20<elky>his bot too?
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10:28<siesai> /msg NoNSoLoWii|CiNe|001 XDCC SEND #38
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10:32<Muzer>half-way through an upgrade from Etch to Lenny (one that I made quite a hash of because I ran out of hard disk space at one point and had to resize the partition, then run dpkg --reconfigure -a and apt-get -f install), the b43 wireless driver stopped working. Although it worked before, I now get either Microcode not responding or Initial Values Firmware file-format error (they alternate) in the dmesg log. The driver is compiled-in, so I
10:32<Muzer>can't try reloading it. I have now completed the update through other means and AFAICT I'm completely on Lenny, and the problem remains. The kernel is a custom one, as it is running on the Wii, and remained the same the whole time - before and after the update. The b43 module is compiled in. I have tried using the proprietary firmware (I was previously using free firmware). Any suggestions?
10:34<abrotman>lsburg3r_: do you need help?
10:34<abrotman>Muzer: what is the device ? lspci -nn
10:35<Muzer>abrotman: All required info should be on here:
10:35<abrotman>that's a Wii ?
10:36<Muzer>I'm using the kernel provided on that site
10:36<abrotman>all i need is `lspci -nn` .. it will have a xxxx:xxxx at the end
10:36<abrotman>oh ..
10:36<abrotman>then i have no idea about that kernel
10:37<abrotman>if you're still using hte same old kernel, and hte same firmware, i'd think it should still work
10:37<Muzer>Error: cannot open /proc/bus/pci
10:37<Muzer>I don't think the Wii has PCI :p
10:37<Muzer>it's probably USB
10:38<abrotman>i'm sure it does
10:38<abrotman>which kernel are you using ?
10:38<Muzer>MIKE v5, which is based on 2.6.32
10:38<abrotman>maybe it's b43-legacy ?
10:39<Muzer>As I said, same kernel, same driver (compiled in, not as module), same firmware worked fine before the update
10:39<Muzer>would you like a full dmesg log?
10:39<abrotman>you can try .. but we're probably not going to be able to be much help .. we have no idea what they've done to that kernel
10:40<Muzer>I was wondering if it was something related to udev?
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10:43<lsburg3r_>abrotman, I have a debian, I have a my mind, 2 hends, and chat
10:43<Deviouz>why is debian look so crappy compared to ubuntu?
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10:44<valdyn>Deviouz: thats configurable
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10:44<cahoot>beauty is in the eye of the beholder
10:44<lsburg3r_>Deviouz, thets invisible
10:44<mbruins>Deviouz: because ubuntu is more newb friendly ;x
10:44<Deviouz>not that
10:44<Deviouz>it just look more old
10:44<valdyn>Deviouz: debian is mostly by technicians for themselves
10:44<valdyn>Deviouz: maybe its not for you
10:44<Deviouz>the same apps and everything
10:45<mbruins>Deviouz: ive youre running stable it will not be bleeding edge youre right, but thats the point ;x
10:45<valdyn>sid doesnt really "look" any different
10:45<Deviouz>yes its alot faster though
10:46<valdyn>Deviouz: youre looking at some kind of default install
10:46<valdyn>Deviouz: thats not what anyone uses
10:46<Deviouz>everything look like old apps written in that old gtk or what you call it
10:46<valdyn>Deviouz: probably
10:46<Deviouz>how come ubuntu look so much better and "modern"?
10:46<valdyn>Deviouz: thats configurable
10:47<Deviouz>I mean what they do?
10:47<Deviouz><valdyn> how do I configure that?
10:47<valdyn>Deviouz: are you asking me to tell you how to click thru your menus?
10:47<Deviouz>if you could give me a hint that would be good
10:48<Deviouz>I need to install something extra?
10:49<Deviouz>I already been in the desktop settings, and changed alot of things but it still look old
10:49<valdyn>Deviouz: System->Settings->Appearance
10:49<Deviouz>it must be something else
10:49<valdyn>Deviouz: youre forcing us to guess by not providing information, i dont like that
10:50<valdyn>Deviouz: no, its not something else
10:50<Deviouz>im telling you, all apps look like old apps written in gtk
10:50<valdyn>Deviouz: they ARE all written in gtk
10:51<Deviouz>lol well, what to say
10:51<Deviouz>I think you know what I mean
10:51<valdyn>Deviouz: thats not any different on ubuntu
10:51<Deviouz>yes it is and very much
10:51<valdyn>Deviouz: give us some screenshots and show exactly what you think is wrong
10:52<Deviouz>maybe it has to do with gnome? I have xfce installed
10:52<Deviouz>it need some gnome library to make it look nice?
10:53<Deviouz>nah, its ok, I can live with it
10:54<mbruins>Deviouz: read some documentation on then youll understand why some things are the way they are and how you can change them ofcourse..
10:54<Deviouz>yes I will thanks, I just thought it was kinda wierd, ubuntu is debian to
10:55<mbruins>Deviouz: no ubuntu is based on debian
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10:55<bremner>Deviouz: you probably want to investigate gtk themes.
10:56<Deviouz>thanks for the tip:) that must be it
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10:57<cahoot>Deviouz: debian is *the* trendsetter:
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10:58<Deviouz>yeah ubuntu is really newb friendly but its so slow, when I installed debian I noticed how much faster it was
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10:58<jamelyn>strange problem on java app can see the network. there is no proxy, java control panel is not set to use a proxy, all non-java apps see it fine. i've tried several java apps and none see the net. any suggestions?
11:00<locklace>!dbugs 560142
11:00<dpkg>#560142:I[openjdk-6] java-common: Package updates entail "Network is unreachable" in Java programs (); Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:57:01 UTC [560056]
11:00<mbruins>Deviouz: thasts prolly because ubuntu comes with alot of applications and processes by default wich makes it more newb friendly :) but debian is not alot different from ubuntu at all.. you just need to know a few basic things that would be easy
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11:01<jamelyn>locklace: thanks
11:02<Deviouz>yes you right, I got it all to work now, I can look movies play mp3's etc, I even installed a few apps not in the repos, looking good:)
11:02<Deviouz>and , blazing fasssst
11:02<locklace>!congratulate Deviouz
11:02<dpkg>Nice one Deviouz, you did it!
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11:03<Deviouz>I guess I was lucky
11:03<Deviouz>its really hard to know what to install from debian multimedia
11:03<Deviouz>and not so much info on it on the web
11:04<mbruins>sure there is just try to google the right keywords :)
11:04<Deviouz>in ubuntu its very easy to get multimedia support, you just install one big file, I wish it was something like that for debian
11:05<mbruins>ive youve got a problem im 100% sure someone else got it too and posted about on the net
11:05<mbruins>i quess there is you can do a dekstop install aswell during the installtion of debian
11:05<Deviouz>yes I installed xfce
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11:08<Deviouz>I just found a great file manager,
11:08<Deviouz>if you love mc you will adore this one
11:09<Deviouz>its called tux commander
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11:09<jrabbit>I thought you were going to say push/pull
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11:16<Luka>Hi everyone!
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11:17<odla>I've updated my kernel to the latest kernel available in backports so that i could use my wireless card but now my brightness adjustment is no longer supported (according to kpowersave, it was for 2.6.26) . I also updated acpid thinking that might be the issue. I have a thinkpad x301
11:18<jrabbit>which debian?
11:18<odla>or lenny
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11:19<Luka>oh! I've got problems with acpi too
11:19<Luka>but I've just install Squeeze
11:19<Luka>and am sure on etch it was all right
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11:19<odla>i know the brightness works fine on squeeze, but i'd prefer to stay with lenny because of kde3 and it being the stable release
11:20<Luka>I'am using xfce4
11:21<shiva>hello all debian rules :)
11:21<Luka>acpi directory under /proc is empty :(
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11:22<odla>Luka: suppose to be i think in newer kernels
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11:24<odla>how can i tell if this patch is in the backports kernel?
11:24<babilen>Deviouz: You might want to enable compositing on Metacity (gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true) take a look at other compositing window manager (compiz, xcompmgr, ...) and play with different gtk themes and engines
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11:40<s4br3>Hi, Im fighting with a new usb video capure dongle, EasyCap, but Im making very little progress. I just cannot get any video signal from my analog VHS player. Any hints?
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11:54<Luka>odla: I think you are right... I'll try it. Thanks.
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11:56<aheron_>nic-usb-modules is missing for 2.6.32 in sid repos??
11:57<s4br3>aheron_: Which package name?
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11:58<aheron_>there are packages for 2.6.30
11:58<s4br3>I can't see it in my repository
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11:58<s4br3>I am using 2.6.32
11:59<aheron_>it is module for using usb routers
11:59<aheron_>so when booting with 2.6.30 i m able to use usb router but not with 2.6.32
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12:02<s4br3>aheron_: 1.61 appears to be the latest, and for 2.6.30 only
12:02<aheron_>i see it
12:03<aheron_>so this explain why i cannot use usb-ethernet on 2.6.32
12:03<aheron_>i was ready to make bug report
12:03<s4br3>but if the source i there you may compile it?
12:04<aheron_>i cannot find it in repos
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12:04<aheron_>i compile modules only if source is avaliable in repos
12:04<chelo>alguien habla español?
12:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:05<chelo>thanks XD
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12:08<chelo>anyone knows if in the small cd include the pppoeconf ??
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12:13<abrotman>the netinst? it does
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12:17<tampered>hi i need to bond two nics on debian, is it wise to do it via ssh?
12:18<tampered>or physical access?
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12:19<abrotman>how far away is the system if it goes badly?
12:19<dpkg>i heard bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see . See also Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the Linux kernel source. Older information at
12:19<tampered>lol, i have kvm access, but when i type , nothing works
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12:31<rex>tampered: maybe try ps2 instead of usb with your kvm, or vice versa ?
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13:43<shijir69>hi guys
13:43<shijir69>server 3 down?
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13:47<Muzer>compiling udev from source fixed it
13:47<Muzer>no idea why
13:47<Muzer>but it did
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13:47<Muzer>(for anyone who saw my problem earlier)
13:48<abrotman>the wii ?
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13:51<Muzer>abrotman: Yes
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13:58<abejas>when I want shut down, change session or close session systems hangs
13:58<abejas>I use xfce
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13:58<abejas>REISUB tech dont works in this state
13:59<abejas>it happens most of times, but not always
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14:12<bremner>abejas: I could not understand your question and I guess for most people it was the same.
14:13<abejas>I try it again
14:13<abejas>I want to say that my machine rise a no-response state when I try to halt the system
14:14<abejas>or when I finish session
14:14<bremner>abejas: is it the same if you halt from the command line?
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14:16<bremner>what about if you switch to a text console and try from there?
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14:17<abejas>I say it was the same form command line, I not see the difference with a console
14:18<abejas>I dont understand
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14:19<Muzer>abejas: Press ctrl + alt + f1, log in as root and type reboot
14:19<bremner>or halt
14:20<Muzer>oh, shut down
14:20<abejas>is it different from a virtual console?
14:20<Muzer>I had reboot it my head, no idea why
14:21<timurkin>Hello everybody! Did somebody can help me to update Lenny? It is needed if got 5 DVD's? Please, answer to me, i'am a newbee in Linux.
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14:21<abejas>If it is the same it take me a lot of time and I did #halt before
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14:22<abejas>without succces
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14:23<bremner>abejas: well, I don't have any other ideas now, except looking at the messages on the console. Do you understand the difference between virtual console and xterm?
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14:24<abejas>but I do it from a xterm
14:25<abejas>well, I'll do it from Alt+F1
14:25<bremner>abejas: watch the messages, especially if it gets stuck
14:26<chealer>timurkin: what do you mean by update lenny? when did you install it?
14:26<abejas>what command do you prefere?
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14:27<bremner>"shutdown -h now" is probably a good choice
14:30<timurkin>Hello everybody! Did somebody can help me to update Lenny? It is needed if got 5 DVD's? Please, answer to me, i'am a newbee in Linux.
14:30<dr|z3d>timurkin: Update?
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14:30<dr|z3d>aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ?
14:31<dr|z3d>You only need the first DVD, if installing from scratch.
14:31<dr|z3d>(or the net installer).
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14:33<abejas>I cannot open tty1
14:33<chealer>timurkin: what is your native language?
14:33<abejas>I obtain tha same state again
14:33<abejas>I needed to halt by hardware again
14:34<bremner>abejas: alt-f1 does not work?
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14:34<abejas>this hang my system
14:35<timurkin><dr|z3d>: russain... it is bad?
14:38<bremner>abejas: do you have network access to the machine?
14:39<abejas>but I could install a server if you want
14:40<bremner>I don't know. I'm really surprised. Can you run "/etc/init.d/gdm stop' in a a root xterm?
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14:41<abejas>(when I start the system there is a lot of Warnings about file configs (/etc/...)
14:41<abejas>Im going to run that
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14:44<abejas>it works!
14:44<abejas>it move me to tty1
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14:45<abejas>and I do shutdown with success
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14:45<bremner>abejas: I guess it has to be something about your (gui) driver. What card and driver are you using?
14:46<abejas>can you give me a command?
14:46<abejas>(I think that me graphic card is not in very good state)
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14:48<abejas>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
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14:50<bremner>try "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel"
14:50<abejas>(warnings are about /etc/modprobe.d/...)
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14:51<abejas> Instalados: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6; Candidato: 2:2.9.1-1...
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14:51<hammer>hi all
14:52<hammer>anybody there?
14:52<bremner>abejas: I have to go. I suggest you paste your warnings about modprobe to a, and maybe somebody can help.
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14:52<abejas>how can I obtains this warnings after start the system?
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15:27<heffay>I'm trying to run compile something and when i ./configure i get the error configure: error: cannot find install-sh,, or shtool in "." "./.." "./../.." how do I fex this?
15:28<abejas>bremner: he solucionado el problema
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15:29<abejas>bremner: I've solved the problem
15:30<abejas>bremner: I only had to reinstall gdm
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15:46<CQ>hello, my motherboard (msi g45m) supports SATA hot plug and play, how can I tell if the kernel will do it without just unplugging a SATA drive?
15:46<CQ>I have a SATA to ESATA adapter for one of the PCI slots and want to hook an external backup drive to it
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15:49<abrotman>CQ: you just have it rescan the bus .. it should work
15:49<CQ>rescan the bus when I plug it in, or also asfter I remove it? ... and how?
15:50<CQ>abrotman: most of teh googling turned up articles from 2006/2007 on the topic...
15:50<abrotman>!scsi rescan
15:50<dpkg>[scsi rescan] echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Functionality now in sysfs (scsi host has scan node, scsi device has a rescan node). Alternatively, aptitude install scsitools &&, or see the scsiadd package.
15:51<CQ>abrotman: thanks... I'll give it a shot tomorrow.
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16:05<bricktop>hi! my soundcard configuration (as created by debian installation: 1. lenny without desktio, 2. upgraded to testing, 3. installed kde) looks like: ... a lot of applications have sound problems and i assume the pc speaker shouldn't be the first audio device or the first in the mixer list. anyone knows how to change this ordering? there is no more alsaconf in alsa-utils
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16:06<bricktop>or maybe how i can remove the speaker
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16:07<VelvetElvis>I just upgraded from testing to sid and now my CD/DVD drive won't open when I push the button or when I use the eject command. I blame HAL. Any ideas?
16:07<abrotman>use a paperclip
16:07<VelvetElvis>you people are too smart
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16:10<babilen>bricktop: have a look at "Troubleshooting"
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16:13<bricktop>babilen: thanks!
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16:44<valdyn>bricktop: a reboot would fix this
16:44<valdyn>bricktop: a reloading of alsa drivers should fix this
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16:45<valdyn>bricktop: however its possible that you have a stale old config preventing a new one to be used ( "grep pcsp /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" )
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16:58<bricktop>valdyn: i've solved it by creating an .asoundrc according to with the Intel sound card as the default. but you'r right - i had installed alsa but did no reload or reboot which should have caused the pcsp not to be the primary interface,
16:59<valdyn>bricktop: that fix is ok
17:00<valdyn>bricktop: except if you start using pulseaudio, but by then you would probably have rebooted anyway
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17:00<bahamat>hey guys, I'm using a fairly simple basic iptables SNAT setup, and I'm noticing a significant number of packets that are not being NAT'ed. Has anybody experienced this? Can anybody check my rules?
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17:19<confusid>Hello, After installing debian I had a message saying I needed to turn on IOMMU in my bios. And by not doing so it cost me 64mb.. I'm trying to find where and why this is. IOMMU does not show in the bios. What are my options for this or a direction? :)
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18:35<VelvetElvis>can anyone point me to a concise guide to setting up sftp via openssh? I know I've done it before and it was just a few lines added to sshd_config. I just don't remember what they were.
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18:45<jmarsden>VelvetElvis: It's one line and should be included in /etc/ssh/sshd_config by default in Debian.
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18:47<viilips>hi guys, i have a fief questions for you guys: i just made a debian server by following this guide: . the thing is i cant connect to path i crated from my windows xp machine at my local set. windows says i dont have a permissions to access the shared folder. how can i gain these permissions for myself?
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18:49<VelvetElvis>I found it. It was the the Match Group Users stanza that I was missing
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19:24<heffay>I'm running sid 64bit and everything works fine. I installed a 32bit chroot installed xbmc into that and when I try to run xbmc it's returning with an error that my graphics card is not supported, which it is. I've verified this by installing xbmc on the 64bit side and it works. How do I get my chroot to properly identify and use my gpu or driver?
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19:25<heffay>The specific error is "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig"
19:25<heffay>When I compiled my nvidia driver I included support for 32bit libraries
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19:51<newdebuser>hello all
19:51<izeid>what is a good tool for getting a list of just the hosts that my computer connects via network?
19:52<newdebuser>I'm trying to install a customer kernel a guy sent me so I can get wifi working on my acer netbook, when I try to run member:dpkg as sudo on my netbook it says my username isn't in the sudoers file? where is that file at? If I am in SU the file won't show up in the dir because the file isn't in the root folder. I'm on deb
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19:53<izeid>newdebuser: /etc/sudoers there is a special program that is 'supposed' to be run to edit it, so that it is locked i think. so that multiple people don't edit simultaneously
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19:53<newdebuser>izeid: do I use visudo?
19:53<dondelelcaro>newdebuser: yes, you use visudo, but you need to be root first
19:53<newdebuser>I've never used visudo or edited a sudo user file before
19:53<newdebuser>i know how to get into root
19:53<newdebuser>when I try to use the gdebi to install, I hit install and it did nothing
19:54<newdebuser>ok i'm in root
19:54<izeid>newdebuser: the file has comments. hopefully they help & it is easy. i don't remember the format. i always have the debian installer do it.
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19:54<newdebuser>I didn't use the graphical installer
19:54<newdebuser>was that a mistake?
19:55<floating_>what does it mean there are lot of isos with different suffix -1 -2 -3 -4 -30
19:55<izeid>the text installer does it too
19:55<izeid>you need to pick to disable root
19:55<newdebuser>izeid: I don't want to reinstall it right now but I'll try the visudo, do I just put in visudo then the folder path?
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19:56<izeid>no parameters
19:56<floating_>31 different isos for i386 uploaded almost at the same time
19:56<newdebuser>ok i'm in
19:56<newdebuser>what am I looking to edit or add in?
19:56<chattr>just a note: thank you volatile folks for spamassassin 3.2.5-2+lenny1.1~volatile1
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19:59<newdebuser>izeid: have any idea?
20:00<izeid>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:00<izeid>i think
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20:01<izeid>then user needs to give password of root
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20:01<izeid>alternative is password for user: with other configuration
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20:02<newdebuser>I did it
20:02<newdebuser>rebooting now
20:03<dpkg>well, rebooting is for adding hardware, or for kernel upgrades. In other cases, you probably don't need it. Ask me about <qotd2>
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20:03<chealer>floating_: it means Debian has too much software to fit everything on few isos
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20:04<floating_>I can just pick one of them and hope it has some of those software i want to install ?
20:05<floating_>or just use netinst, or check somewhere what each has
20:06<floating_>I thought it would include the base system only, and that would fit to 1 cd
20:06<floating_>but there is 31 variants for base system ?
20:06<floating_>blah I go sleep byez ->
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20:09<newdebuser>oh crap, izeid I loaded up the new kerel and got this message 0.723629 Kernel Panic- not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
20:09<newdebuser>then filesystem type is ext2fs , partition type 0x83
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20:13<izeid>newdebuser: what debian variant?
20:13<newdebuser>lenny 503
20:13<izeid>Usually the old kernel is still an option at boot and you can choose it.
20:13<izeid>It is kept for this sort of reason.
20:13<newdebuser>ya but i'm trying to use the newer one t oget my wifi working
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20:14<adb>which newer?
20:14<newdebuser>custom kernel a guy sent me
20:14<adb>oftopic then
20:14<newdebuser>he has a acer netbook too
20:14<newdebuser>it's offtopic?
20:15<izeid>this channel is only supporting debian packages.
20:15<newdebuser>if you can't get wifi working with the kernel installed now? what are you supposed to do?
20:15<newdebuser>ok so I loaded the default kernel back up
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20:21<abrotman>newdebuser: do you know what wifi device it is ?
20:22<abrotman>newdebuser: read the instructions at
20:23<newdebuser>k thanks
20:27<newdebuser>abrotman: one problem, with the wifi not working on my netbook it won't work?
20:27<abrotman>so use the wired connecdtion ?
20:29<bremner>in worst case, copying the kernel deb onto a usb stick works
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20:30<bremner>of course, it's better if you have networking.
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20:31<newdebuser>abrotman: I'm paying a guy $10 a month for his wifi cause I can't afford internet otherwise
20:32<newdebuser>makes it a pain not having a wired connection
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20:57<edbian>I just installed the DNS server using tasksel in debian Lenny. What is the default package that would have been installed. I missed it.
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20:57<gsimmons>edbian: bind9
20:57<edbian>gsimmons, There is no man page for it on my system. Is it supposed to be that way??
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20:58<edbian>gsimmons, I like tasksel but it really left me high and dry here.
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21:03<newdebuser>abrotman: i'm back
21:04<abrotman>and ?
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21:04<newdebuser>and I have to wait until I go to my parents to do the backports
21:04<gsimmons>edbian: There are named(8), named.conf(5) and rndc.conf(5) man pages supplied. You would want to read through the documents at /usr/share/doc/bind9.
21:05<abrotman>newdebuser: uh .. why ?
21:05<newdebuser>I don't have my own internet connection
21:05<edbian>gsimmons, I just stumpled on those. /etc/bind/someconfigfile pointed me to the /usr/share/doc/bind9 thank you though!
21:05<newdebuser>I am paying a guy $10 a month to use his wifi
21:05*abrotman doesn't know what this has to do with parents .. but okay
21:05<bremner>newdebuser: Can you borrow a computer? you can just download the .deb (even on windows), copy it across somehow.
21:05<newdebuser>oh i can?
21:06<edbian>newdebuser, use the sneaker net
21:06<newdebuser>I didn't know that because the instructions tell you to use apt-get
21:06<bremner>in this case it works. usually dependendencies screw you
21:06<newdebuser>sneaker net?
21:06<bremner>same as I suggested
21:06<edbian>newdebuser, moves files from computer to computer by putting them on a disk and carrying them (with your sneakers on)
21:07<bremner>or, use a usb stick instead of a disk
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21:07<bremner>sneakers are actually optional
21:07<newdebuser>i have a usb drive
21:07<newdebuser>and sneakers on lol
21:07<newdebuser>I'm just trying to find this deb file on the site
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21:10<newdebuser>bremner: where is the .deb?
21:11<bremner>I think you want
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21:13<twb>$ edit tmp.c ==> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "text/x-csrc"
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21:13<twb>Why don't I have mailcap entries for typical text/* MIME types?
21:13<twb>Shouldn't they be set up for sensible-editor or something?
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21:16<edbian>Can I give back to the debian project is some way with my new server / domain name? Can I be a debian mirror or something?
21:17<newdebuser>bremner: so this will fix my wifi issue?
21:17<dondelelcaro>edbian: unless you have a lot of disk space and bandwidth, probably not needed
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21:17<bremner>I _think_ so, but life is complex
21:18<dondelelcaro>edbian: people spending time fixing bugs, triaging them, and clarifying existing bug reports is more useful
21:19<edbian>dondelelcaro, How can i use my server to help with that?
21:20<dondelelcaro>edbian: by using your server to send and receive the messages ou use to help Debian get better?
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21:22<edbian>dondelelcaro, O I understand. Thank you! I was hoping to find something that can be totally automated on the server. It will put in many many more hours than I ever could.
21:22<dondelelcaro>but that said, if you do have enough bandwidth and diskspace to become a Debian mirror, and you're in part of the world where having another mirror would be useful, see
21:23<dondelelcaro>edbian: yeah, but for the most part, time you spend would be more useful; generallly speaking we've got hardware to spare; we need more volunteers
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21:24<edbian>dondelelcaro, That is the impression I've found online as well.
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21:35<chealer>floating_: they're not variants. the first CD has the most common software, the 31st has the least commonly used. you would need the 31 CDs if you would want to be able to use all software in Debian without network access
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21:45<mansi>hello friends, how can i customize and select packages during lenny installation?
21:46<mansi>i am trying to install for an internet cafe, i need only webbrowser
21:46<mansi>i donot want openoffice or anything like that.
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21:46<mansi>I am using lenny gnome cd
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21:48<adb>mansi, install "debirf" and do module named xkiosk , it will get you a debian in RAM , with webbrowser only
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21:51<mansi>hello adb, i am sorry i couldnt understand properly what u meant. Can you please give me a link from where I can learn more about what you said?
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21:52<adb>mansi, you may ask more in #debirf
21:53<mansi>@adb. I am trying to install on a primitive celeron system with very limited RAM. When installing opensuse, I have option to choose individual package. Is it not possible with debian?
21:54<jmarsden>mansi: Of course it is, use a normal Debian netinstall or CD1 image and you can manually select packages all you want.
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21:54<adb>and how much RAM there ?
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21:55<andy>64gb? ;)
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21:55<adb>16MB ..
21:55<mansi>I installed using CD1 of Lenny. It gave me only few oprions like "Web server", "MAil server", LAptop" etc. I was not allowed to choose individual packages.
21:56<mansi>The server in that cafe is celeron with 128 MB ram :)
21:56<mansi>THe cafe owner is of the opinion he cant waste money for a sytem which cannot be used by customers
21:57<mansi>The server is debian which has been running flawlessly for past 4 years
21:57<andy>16mb? hard to believe... the smallest PC100 DIMMs I have ever seen were 32MBs
21:57<mansi>not 16 MB. 128MB
21:58<adb>mansi, don't chose nothing ... at that stage , finish the installation , reboot ,
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21:59<mansi>@adb Okay... after that how can i install browser?
22:00<adb>use aptitude
22:00<mansi>okay...apt-get install kdm firefox ?
22:00<abrotman>mansi: which WM/DE do you want ?
22:01<mansi>I think lxde would be good for that sytem
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22:01<mansi>isnt it?
22:01<abrotman>fine .. aptitude install gdm lxde iceweasel
22:02<mansi>okay.......fine..i had another problem...the monitor was vibrating when i installed in another celeron processor....
22:03<mansi>no vibration when in console without gui
22:03<mansi>when gnome is loaded, monitor is vibrating
22:03<mansi>win xp running fine in that system
22:03<mansi>i tried dual boot with debian
22:03<firefox>after forwarding and masquerading should iptables -L give me that?
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22:04<mansi>Is it a problem of refresh rate?
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22:07<sney>probably, but usually xorg figures out refresh rate with no problem
22:07<abrotman>maybe try xrandr to change it
22:09<mansi>Anyway my installation wa adisaster yesterday, bacause after fine installation, when i tried to reboot, debian is stopping at stage " Mounting root file system". I somehow managed to escape there yesterday....
22:09<mansi>Might have to go today to repair it...
22:10<mansi>Why is booting stopping at that stage?
22:12<abrotman>did you change your kernel ?
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22:13<mansi>I did not do anything. It was loading fine. During first reboot, it rebooted fine. The second onwards, it is stopping at this point.
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22:48<imperia>hello. i am having the following problem. i use noflushd to spin down my hard disk. it worked flawlessly before. now there is some udev rule which calls blkid everytime my hdd spins down, and thus wake-ing it up again. if i comment that rule. my hdd goes sleep mode. but if i forget to uncomment the rule before next update-initramfs -the system becomes unbootable :( . before i was doing this.. 1. comment rule. 2. restart udev. 3. restore
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22:49<imperia>..without the need of /etc/init...... *
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23:41<snogglethorpe>wow that question was so annoying it killed abrotman!
23:42<goodger>damn, I missed it
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23:50<Durger>dear debian help, i screwed up extra hard. my dependency tree is broken beyond apt-get's -f option. i think theres a circular dependency issue going on, but I'm a newb, so I really don't know.
23:50<Durger>My error: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2). I could give you more of a dump than that. Google has not been much of a help, since most of the time the problem could have been solved with a apt-get clean or fix-broken, etc.
23:51<goodger>Durger: are you on lenny?
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23:53<basherer>anyone know bash? my loop doesn't seem to be getting processed. 'until [ $count > $max_videos ]; do'
23:53<Durger>goodger: probably not, my live cd is a little old
23:53<Durger>m not sure what version it is
23:53<Durger>why does it matter?
23:54<goodger>wait, you're on a live cd?
23:54<basherer>what distro?
23:54<goodger>rebooting the PC would probably fix it if you're on a livecd
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23:56<Durger>the machine with the dependency problems isnt using a live cd, my middle machine is, which is forwarding all of the traffic from my problem machine to the modem and vice-versa
23:56<Durger>the middle machine is irrelevant
23:56<Durger>and the problem machine is running the latest armel debian version
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23:57<goodger>Durger: please pastebin the full output from the problem machine's apt-get -f install and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
23:59<Durger>ok, but before i do, you have to understand the problem stems from me trying to manually create my own dependency tree by downloading the packages from a different machine and transporting them via usb to the problem machine
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