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00:00<h3n>the debian installer is not detecting my optical drive
00:01<h3n>but I booted from the dvd just fine
00:01<h3n>any ideas?
00:01<pipe>Old computer/bios?
00:02<pipe>ok, the bios shouldn't matter I suppose.
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00:02<pipe>I've had that, but only with a laptop from 1998
00:02<h3n>it's not an old computer
00:02<h3n>fairly new laptop
00:02<pipe>If possible, try messing with the bios sata settings
00:02<pipe>there are a couple of different modes, AHCI etc
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00:03<pipe>h3n: are you trying stable or testing (or sid)?
00:04<olpcfan>h3n: how far do you get? I mean, it boots to the CD, but you can't install any packages?
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00:04<h3n>pipe: stable
00:04<pipe>h3n: One option is to try to see if it's fixed in the testing, from the netinstall or businesscard image
00:05<h3n>olpcfan: yes, I can boot from the dvd, run the installer, installer treis to detect the device, but it cant
00:05<pipe>For me, it was due to some messed up ide/sata switch in the kernel I think
00:05<pipe>known problem
00:06<pipe>But shouldn't be the same problem, just a similar result
00:07<h3n>mounting /dev/hda doesnt work either
00:08<olpcfan>h3n: what model of laptop?
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00:09<h3n>olpcfan: toshiba satellite a305-s6858
00:10<pipe>My laptop was a toshiba satellite too :)
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00:11<h3n>pipe: I think i'm having the same problem you did
00:12<olpcfan>found a forum post with a guy with the same problem in slackware
00:12<h3n>did you just like append something to the kernal
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00:12<olpcfan>could be a coincidence. might be the drive and the kernel?
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00:13<pipe>h3n: No, I waited 1.5 years and then tried again, then it worked
00:13<pipe>Well I did try a debootstrap install, but then the kernel couldn't find the harddrive anyway
00:14<pipe>ok, now you made me think about grub
00:14<pipe>that made me furious, have to relax and breathe
00:16<h3n>i'll just do a net install
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00:18<h3n>thnaks for your help guys
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00:23<legrand>Good day I'm looking for some advice concerning dovecot mda. exim4 saves the messages to system users and honours /etc/aliases. when I login to dovecot I have to use the real (system) user name. is there a way to tell dovecot to use /etc/aliases as well to map a 'virtual' user to a real account?
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00:41<s0l1d_k3rn3l>vo vaza
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00:42<s0l1d_k3rn3l>vo vaza
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00:48<Guest740>hi from Detroit Michigan Republic
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00:49<pipe>Peoples Republic of Detroit Michigan
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00:50<Guest740>your right :)
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00:51<Guest740>any 1 from the D
00:51<pipe>known for its techno and non-existant car industry
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00:59<kop>legrand: You can't use /etc/aliases, AFAIK, but you can use pam to map to an alternative authentication source, like ldap.
00:59<pipe>pam map <- look!
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01:02<legrand>pipe: pam map... ? where can I look for it?
01:02<kop>legrand: And, I don't know about exim but other mtas will also let you use ldap or such for alias mapping.
01:02<pipe>it was a palindrome
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01:02<pipe>I was trying to make a joke, but failed :(
01:03<kop>legrand: (I prefer postfix, which is flexible.)
01:03<legrand>well, it's not my native language, that might explain why I didn't understand...
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01:03<kop>legrand: It is mine and I didn't understand either.
01:03<pipe>postfix and dovecot doesn't necessarily do the same things, right?
01:03<pipe>it was many years since I last touched those
01:04<legrand>exim4 comes preconfigured with debian, that's why I used it. works pretty well with almost everything
01:04<kop>pipe: Absolutely not. One is mail routing, the other mail pickup.
01:04<legrand>if i had to start on a different system I'd go for postfix again, but on Debian exim4 seems a reasonable choice
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01:05<pipe>using the default is always a bonus if you can stand them
01:05<pipe>I'd probably replace exim4 with postfix
01:05<pipe>because I'm a bit anal
01:05<kop>legrand: You'll either have to look at exim alias mapping database options or maintain separate databases (/etc/aliases and something else). exim probably does something....
01:05<legrand>maybe a simple usermod -l new old would be easiest...
01:06<kop>I can always make postfix do what I need it to, even if I want something a bit odd.
01:07<kop>legrand: You can simply make new /etc/passwd entries with the same uid, and leave the old alone. But it's an odd thing to do.
01:07<legrand>kop: /etc/aliases is there and works perfect with exim. I'm looking for a way that the users can login with the same name as stated in /etc/aliases when checking mails
01:07<pipe>that sounds sort of like the wrong thing to do
01:07<legrand>kop: usermod would we the clean way... takes care of groups, shadow and so on
01:07<pipe>but whatever, if you need it, it should be possible to fix
01:07<kop>legrand: Most people want entirely seperate authentication, so that you can control who can login, who can get mail, who can do whatever, via a database.
01:08<legrand>kop: good point. i just deny a shell which does more or less the same thing ;-)
01:08<kop>legrand: You'd only want to add "aliases" to /etc/passwd if you want/need to keep the original usernames as well.
01:09<legrand>kop: but then I have ot maintain it in both /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases... does not sound like 'less work'
01:09<kop>legrand: The traditional unix auth mechanism is not especially flexible, hence pam. But you need an mta that will also route based on the backend database you choose.
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01:10<kop>legrand: You probably need to maintain it in both places anyway, because aliases is case-insensitive and passwd is not, and users expect case-insensitive email addresses, not just the domain part.
01:13<legrand>kop: ich denke immer noch über eine regex nach, mit welcher ich das mapping aufgrund der /etc/aliases vor pam umbauen könnte
01:14<pipe>good thing you're speaking geek
01:14<pipe>"regex", "mapping" and "/etc/aliases" is the only thing we need to understand :)
01:14<legrand>.pipe. sorry, wrong language. tried to switch from french to englich, got stuck n german :-(
01:15<kop>legrand: That would be work. You'd have to write your own pam module, wouldn't you? (Yeah. This is english only.)
01:15<legrand>kop: not keen to do that. usermod seems to be far easier
01:16<pipe>Let's all type in olde english, shouldn't break the rules too much.
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01:16<kop>legrand: You can probably do what you want with exim, but you'll have to figure out how to tell it to use another db to do the mail routing.
01:17<kop>legrand: Then you can maintain a separate database. (A lot of folks use mysql, which is silly IMO.)
01:17<legrand>kop: I'd prefer not to touch exim - it's working great including the aliases. the question is about the user login with deovecot...
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01:17<fredz>How can I find the path to the binaries for imagemagic (yes it is installed).
01:18<pipe>"which conver"
01:18<pipe>"which convert"
01:18<jm_>fredz: list package contents
01:18<kop>legrand: Dovecot uses pam. You can tell it to authenticate using anything. (But there's no existing pam module that does alias mapping.)
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01:19<legrand>kop: yes, a separate database would work. since there's no such module...
01:19<pipe>fredz: there's no single binary for imagemagick, it's a bunch of commands, none are named anything close to "imagemagick" unfortunately
01:20<kop>fredz: So "dpkg -L imagemagick" is in order.
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02:37<dpkg>hello, simonrvn
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02:37<automatik>anyone know anything about chmod?
02:38<simonrvn>man chmod
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02:38<dr|z3d>automatik: man chmod
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02:38<automatik>i'm trying to write info to data in a drive but won't give me permission
02:38<dr|z3d>Sounds like $ man man might also be in order.
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02:39<automatik>tried chmod 777 /device
02:39<simonrvn>that's not going to help ...
02:39<jm_>be careful with that
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02:40<olpcfan>automatik: you want to copy a file to a different drive like?
02:40<automatik>no just want to open up data in the drive and make changes
02:40<pipe>so chmod the file
02:40<pipe>not the device
02:40<pipe>you can also chmod all data recursively
02:40<automatik>i tried that too but it isn't working
02:41<pipe>or mount it with the correct user
02:41<pipe>can you open the file?
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02:41<pipe>maybe it's an unclosed NTFS drive
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02:41<pipe>so it was mounted read-only
02:41<pipe>or your chmod doesn't work because you have to be root to do it
02:42<automatik>i entered sudo chmod /dev/sdc1
02:42<automatik>sudo chmod 777 /dev/sdc1
02:42<pipe>ok, that shouldn't do anything useful
02:43<pipe>try the actual mountpoint
02:43<automatik>i tried that too
02:43<pipe>or start the text editor with sudo
02:43<pipe>but first, type "mount" and see if it says (rw) or (ro)
02:43<automatik>sudo chmod 777 /home/username/Desktop/nameoffolder
02:44<pipe>did you mount it manually? these days it seems like automagical mounts end up in /media/blah
02:44<automatik>manual mount
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02:45<automatik>the folder has a red "x" on it
02:46<automatik>so it seems to have write protection
02:46<pipe>but you want to edit a file
02:46<pipe>so the actual file need to have the permission
02:46<automatik>yes on both
02:47<pipe>well.. something is fucked :)
02:47<pipe>but you knew that already
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02:47<automatik>the drive is msdos formatted
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02:48<automatik>also tried sudo chmod 777 /dev/sdc1
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02:48<pipe>have you verified that the flags got set?
02:48<automatik>before and after mounting
02:48<automatik>flags got set? -explain please
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02:48<pipe>yeah, in the console, type "ls -l nameoffile"
02:49<pipe>and paste the output if it's only one line
02:49<automatik>name of file? or name of folder?
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02:51<automatik>drwxr-xr-x output for the file containing the data I want to change
02:51<pipe>so the flags didn't got set
02:51<pipe>and that's not a file
02:51<pipe>it's a folder
02:52<automatik>-rwxr-xr-x - output for all data in the folder
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02:53<pipe>ah hm
02:53<pipe>you have to remount it with your user
02:54<pipe>mount -o uid=yourusername /dev/sdc1 /mountpoint
02:54<automatik>what does the -o mean?
02:55<pipe>because FAT filesystems doesn't know about permission flags, so you can't change them
02:55<pipe>-o means option
02:55<pipe>type "man mount" if you want all the gory details
02:55<automatik>i thought sudo handled that automatically
02:56<pipe>sudo will turn you into the super user, so it will mount the disk as super user
02:56<automatik>but it won't give me write privelages because of the dos format?
02:57<pipe>exactly, but the super user should still be able to change the data
02:57<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
02:57<pipe>fstab :(
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02:57<pipe>automatik: you can also try to start your editor using sudo
02:58<ansgar>automatik: For removable storage devices you can also try using pmount (w/o sudo) which should set the right options.
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02:58<automatik>one more question
02:58<pipe>bash: pmount: command not found
02:58<automatik>i want to store data into that drive
02:58<automatik>it will not allow me to do that either
02:59<pipe>automatik: with the correct mount options it will
02:59<automatik>do I use the commands given
02:59<pipe>yeah, mounting with your user name or id stated as an option to mount should do the trick
03:00<pipe>your user id is probably 1000
03:00<jm_>one can use usernames/groupnames too, no need to use ID-s
03:00<pipe>yeah, so I thought
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03:01<pipe>The manpage only mentioned ID though
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03:02<automatik>ok it works
03:02<automatik>thanks guys
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03:03<automatik>any links on how further info?
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03:03<patrick>rechercher aide en français
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03:03<pipe>patrick: que?
03:03<pipe>ǝsɐǝןd ɥsıןƃuǝ
03:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
03:04<pipe>ooh, clever
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03:07<patrick_>recherche aide en français
03:08<fior>patrick_: il y a le cannal en français #debian-fr ...
03:09<automatik>are you available for another question?
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03:09<pipe>anything except "recherche aide en français"
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03:09<automatik>if a folder has a lot of data in it
03:10<automatik>and i'm looking for a specific file containing the word "report"
03:10<pipe>grep "report"
03:10<pipe>grep "report" *
03:11<automatik>what does the | do?
03:11<pipe>|? you mean *?
03:11<automatik>only |
03:12<pipe>the | is called a pipe, and is used to send the output from one command to another
03:12<automatik>i've seen grep | used before but no idea what it's used for
03:12<pipe>it will send the output from grep to for example a program that will make it possible to scroll through all the information
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03:13<automatik>so it could be used with gedit? as an example
03:13<pipe>I don't think so
03:13<pipe>GUI programs are usually broken
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03:14<pipe>Trying very very hard to imitate windows
03:14<pipe>ignoring 30 years of unix history in the process
03:14<automatik>or perhaps vi
03:14<jmarsden>automatik: pipe text like that into less to view it. For a really basic shell tutorial see
03:14<EmleyMoor>I use a command which involves two pipes every day
03:14<EmleyMoor>A dd via head into md5sum
03:14<pipe>well the pipe is essential
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03:15<pipe>I guarantee that you use more than that, just that you don't see it :)
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03:15<automatik>what distro are you using?
03:15<EmleyMoor>Yes, very likely - but that one I actually type myself
03:15<pipe>Ok, gedit can open files from ftp and http but not from stdin...
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03:16<pipe>I'm using debian testing mostly, sometimes stable, sometimes ubuntu
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03:16<olpcfan>pipes are amazing. pipe is cool too
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03:16<olpcfan>even just for apt-cache search foo | grep -i bar
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03:17<automatik>it seems like a lot of distros are getting bloated
03:17<pipe>My nickname has nothing to do with that pipe, but it has the same etymology :)
03:17<EmleyMoor>I use Debian ogf course - mostly stable but one system on testing and VMs on testing and sid
03:17<automatik>which one has the least amount of "stuff" in it?
03:17<pipe>automatik: I'm very impressed with debian actually
03:17<olpcfan>or if you're expecting a lot of results: apt-cache search foo | grep -i bar | less
03:18<pipe>automatik: I just did a very clean install on an old laptop, used 9MB of memory after boot
03:18<automatik>xfce desktop?
03:18<pipe>Hell no
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03:18<pipe>And if you want a graphics environment that's usable but minimal, go for LXDE
03:18<pipe>XFCE is probably as resource hungry as gnome
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03:19<EmleyMoor>Two of my systems have no graphics
03:19<pipe>I remember once that you needed over 300MB of memory just to install XFCE
03:19<pipe>but that was probably a bug
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03:19<pipe>On this laptop I actually use 'dwm' as window manager :)
03:19<pipe>But it's a bit hardcore
03:19<pipe>but nice
03:20<perk>pipe, i use wmii everywhere
03:20<pipe>pff, bloat!
03:20<pipe>but yeah, nothing beats these tiling window managers
03:20<perk>no, i don't know how i ever could use a desktop before using tiling wms
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03:21<automatik>just reading about LXDE
03:21<automatik>any idea on installing drivers: network, graphics, sound etc?
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03:22<pipe>automatik: Basically, gnome sort of started as a lightweight alternative to KDE, then gnome got crazy, so someone started XFCE as a lightweight alternative to gnome, then XFCE got crazy, so someone started LXDE as an alternative to XFCE etc..
03:23<perk>perhaps also gnome was made upon free software while kde used qt, which was non-free at the time
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03:24<pipe>now gnome really wants to switch to as many microsoft technologies as possible :)
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03:24<pipe>while KDE is gpl/lgpl..
03:24<automatik>was wondering about something
03:24<pipe>(gnome is of course still gpl)
03:25<automatik>say you are working with a power core product
03:25<automatik>and you want to install a driver for ethernet
03:25<automatik>the os is vsworks
03:25<automatik>how does one go about doing that?
03:26<EmleyMoor>I rather like gnome - after years of experimenting with other environments - but if I wanted small I'd have to go elsewhere
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03:26<pipe>automatik: Ouch. Unless someone actualy wrote a driver for vxworks you have to write it yourself
03:26<automatik>the driver is available
03:27<pipe>EmleyMoor: I reluctantly like gnome, when I'm being lazy and when I have the computing power and memory
03:27<pipe>automatik: I've never worked with vxworks, I'm afraid
03:28<automatik>ok,.. if you were using LXDE and needed to install drivers for ethernet, sound, video
03:28<automatik>how would you do it in that environment?
03:29<pipe>EmleyMoor: But because the anti-gnu and pro-ooxml/silverlight/.net talk I would really like to switch, but I can't get used to KDE
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03:29<pipe>automatik: apt-get install <driver> :)
03:29<pipe>automatik: that's why I run debian..
03:29<jmarsden>automatik: Your desktop environment doesn't change how you install kernel drivers :) You open a terminal window and use it appropriately...
03:30<automatik>what i'm getting at is
03:30<EmleyMoor>I would switch at once if ever gnome needed something non-free that I didn't need for a practical purpose
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03:30<automatik>in the past when I installed video drivers for gnome or kde then I would open up vi and paste the lines of code into the appropriate
03:31<pipe>automatik: exactly the same in lxde or whatever you end up using
03:31<automatik>but that was for video
03:31<automatik>when it comes to ethernet, pci, etc then it looses me
03:31<pipe>vi works on pretty much everything out there
03:32<pipe>The desktop environment doesn't change anyting in that area
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03:32<pipe>the drivers are a couple of layers below that
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03:33<automatik>ok,.. this is working only with the terminal - not relating to the desktop env
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03:35<automatik>you guys ever work with mac?
03:35<pipe>I own one
03:35<pipe>it's running debian
03:35<automatik>how much trimming would it take to get a mac to run like a true unix system?
03:35<perk>define true unix system
03:35<pipe>it *is* a true unix system
03:36<pipe>according to UNIX®™
03:36<automatik>sun solaris
03:36<perk>osx is even proprietary! true unix style...
03:36<perk>solaris is not the definition of unik
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03:37<pipe>automatik: OSX is a certified UNIX system
03:38<automatik>what i mean is there seems to be so much unneeded applications running in it
03:38<pipe>Don't know how much you can strip down
03:39<pipe>It seems like you can do a lot of things from the commandline really
03:39<jmm>hello everyone !
03:39<perk>hi jmm
03:39<automatik>it also seems like way to much memory is used for the gui desktop
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03:40<pipe>automatik: sometimes it's a question of using the right tool for the job
03:40<adb> ot!
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03:41<pipe>ok, ontopic then: install debian on your mac
03:41<automatik>what kind of books do you use for open source?
03:41<adb>baby-sitting > #debian-offtopic
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03:42<opticon>if anyone ever asks about webmin advise against using that pos its not stable
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03:43<pipe>if anyone ever suggested to me that I should configure my servers using a web-based tool I would think he was joking
03:43<automatik>i got a ? about that
03:43<opticon>i made mistake in trying it on headless build with debian
03:43<automatik>i looked at suse
03:44<automatik>is it correct to say that one could put in the kinds of applications they want to run and the web site says that it or "they" will work together or not
03:45<pipe>I wonder if #debian is the best place to turn for advice about suse
03:45<opticon>no suse is very different
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03:48<opticon>pipe what is recommended method to administratior debian server
03:48<pipe>that's what I always do
03:49<opticon>i have it setup with just apache thought i could get by with webmin for making small changes but that back fired
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03:49<simonrvn>webmin is a PoC
03:49<pipe>I really like to know what actually happens when I change something
03:50<pipe>because if (when) something breaks, you're glad that you have some sort of clue where to fix it
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03:50<opticon>webmin doesnt pull up in browser dunno what went array with it but good news my site on apache still pulls up
03:50<cahoot>poc? pretty old contraption?
03:50<automatik>is there a way i can check to see if programs will work before actually installing them?
03:50<pipe>piece of candy
03:51<pipe>automatik: if you're using debian stable, they will work
03:51<pipe>automatik: but they might not do what you want
03:51<pipe>automatik: and they might suck
03:51<automatik>what about compiling from source
03:51<pabs>automatik: look at the bug tracker or screenshots
03:51<opticon>when using apt-get doesnt it let you know if it will work or not and additional depends that are required?
03:52<pipe>automatik: I sometimes create virtual machines for that
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03:52<pipe>automatik: Using for example virtualbox if I'm lazy and is on a windows machine, or normally I use KVM with virtual machine manager but that's still a bit hardcore
03:52<automatik>are you running single core or more?
03:53<pipe>4, but it doesn't matter when you're just testing
03:53<pipe>it's the amount of RAM that's critical, but that's also fine if you're just testing out stuff and doesn't need the VM running all the time
03:53<automatik>will 64bit run on multiple core machines?
03:53<pipe>(of course!)
03:54<automatik>so i could run deb 64 on a quad core amd 64 setup?
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03:55<pipe>I'm running ubuntu on my quad core here atm, all 64-bit, and I have a few 64-bit debian guests on that one
03:55<automatik>are you using joomla?
03:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a Debian way to get a low latency kernel (real-time scheduling) for lenny amd64?
03:56<pipe>automatik: not that I know of
03:56<pipe>EmleyMoor: Are you sure that's needed with recent kernels?
03:57<automatik>what are you using?
03:57<automatik>ok,.. are you using any kind of content management system?
03:57<pipe>EmleyMoor: I have a vague memory that they merged some low-latency parts and realtime scheduling to mainline, but I might be completely off here
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03:57<EmleyMoor>pipe: jackd and rosegarden aren't happy - and the module snd-rtctimer is not around so I need either that or a low latency kernel
03:58<pipe>EmleyMoor: I see
03:58<opticon>with debian is their some specific way you can check device drivers?
03:58<pipe>Nice to hear that someone is using rosegarden :)
03:58<EmleyMoor>Well, I am strongly considering in
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04:01<automatik>pipe: are you using any kind of content management system?
04:01<pipe>opticon: not sure what you mean by "check device drivers", and I don't think I can answer if you tell me, but maybe someone else can
04:01<pipe>automatik: No, I don't
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04:01<pipe>stupid peer
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04:02<jmm>it was not me :)
04:02<pipe>automatik: No, I don't use any of those
04:02<olpcfan>opticon: there are a few ways you can look at kernel modules and things -- what are you trying to find?
04:03<opticon>just curious how drivers are managed with debian and the steps to take to check and fix
04:04<pipe>automatik: I'm a bit opposed to such systems after having worked in a place where the sysadmin was a microsoft junkie, so all the tools we used naturally sucked
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04:05<opticon>with windows main place is device manager with debian idunno
04:06<opticon>sux our college doesnt offer course that cover linux
04:06<olpcfan>opticon: trying to find you a good reference. check out lsmod
04:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 374] by debhelper
04:07<pipe>opticon: 'lsmod' shows all loaded modules.. sort of the same as the drivers
04:07<opticon>is that how its referred to modules
04:07<pipe>kinda, sorta..
04:07<olpcfan>opticon: are you interested from a technical or practical point of view? there is lots of excellent documentation on how to make your own drivers, etc.
04:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... how do I discover what is using the playback device "hw:0"?
04:08<opticon>my interest is administration
04:09<EmleyMoor>(or hw)
04:09<pipe>EmleyMoor: first you try to locate some sort of documentation
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04:09<pipe>EmleyMoor: then after searching for days, desperately try to send a mail to some mailinglist
04:09<pipe>EmleyMoor: they will point you to the excellent documentation that only they can find
04:09<opticon>im taking programming class this quarter dunno if that will help or not
04:09<automatik>joomla is related to usoft?
04:10<olpcfan>opticon: well, in debian, the package management does most of the work
04:10<automatik>what makes it so bad?
04:10<olpcfan>opticon: apt-get, aptitude, all that jazz
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04:10<pipe>automatik: i know nothing about joomla
04:10<pipe>automatik: i just know that when anyone mentions "CMS" i tend to tune out
04:10<opticon>for installing applications i understand that to an extent
04:11<opticon>never seen anything like apt before it does things that even power shell doesnt do
04:11<olpcfan>opticon: well, like the printer drivers come with cups say
04:11<automatik>joomla seems ok,.. it relies heavily on php and mysql
04:12<automatik>as a cms seems to work fine
04:12<olpcfan>opticon: so usually if you need a driver, you just apt-get it :)
04:12<pipe>You rarely need a driver
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04:12<pipe>which is why the linux-image is 60+ MB
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04:12<olpcfan>opticon: sometimes there are funky proprietary drivers, like my Nvidia driver, that you need download and install from their website -- it has its own install/uninstal routines ... black magic
04:12<pipe>and if it's not in there, it's proprietary and thus it will be randomly difficult to install
04:13<pipe>also prone to breakage
04:13<pipe>look at it funny = poof
04:13<resjudicata>how do I find out the make and model of my gfx card on lenny?
04:13<opticon>the collection of opensource drivers can be retrieved from apt?
04:13<pipe>resjudicata: lspci is a good start
04:13<resjudicata>pipe, too much output, what exactly should I be looking for?
04:13<olpcfan>opticon: but yeah, the whole driver issue is very different in linux than windows.
04:14<resjudicata>it's an intel I know, but there are a dozen lines with "intel" in the
04:14<olpcfan>resjudicata: try lspci | grep -i intel
04:14<pipe>resjudicata: "lspci | grep VGA
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04:14<olpcfan>er oh nm
04:14<resjudicata>ah, thanks guys
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04:16<olpcfan>opticon: <-- way more info than you'll probably ever want, but should be fun to skim :)
04:16<pipe>resjudicata: lspci -v -s `lspci|grep VGA|cut -d' ' -f1`
04:16<pipe>resjudicata: magic :)
04:17<opticon>alright thanks gonna bookmark it
04:17<resjudicata>magic indeed :D
04:18<opticon>well i have to be off thanks for the info
04:18<perk>pipe, you should use $(echo hi) instead of `echo hi`
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04:19<perk>pipe, way easier to read, and doesn't crap up when copypasting from weird formatted sources
04:19<automatik>pipe: how many hard drives do you have in your system?
04:19<perk>who actually ingests hard drives?
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04:19<pipe>perk: that's one more byte!!!!
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04:20<pipe>automatik: well my systems are under reconstruction, but I have 3 drives in the current one
04:20<simonrvn>\o/ someone that spelled that right
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04:20<pipe>automatik: And I have 2 compact flash cards in my laptop, replacing a harddrive
04:20<automatik>do you guys have a tool that occationally checks the drives
04:21<perk>i actually checked it up on wikipadular (after i committed it to irc), simonrvn
04:21<automatik>as an example:
04:21<perk>automatik, fsck
04:21<jmarsden>automatik: In Debina, use the smartmontools package
04:21<automatik>you have a 50G hdd
04:21<perk>every 180 days or 30 mounts (or whatever default)
04:21<pipe>I sometimes check with S.M.A.R.T
04:21<automatik>data is constantly writing to and read from
04:22<jm_>install smartmontools
04:22<pipe>but there's a bit of wizardry there, a deamon that's running etc
04:22<pipe>(if you want it)
04:23<pipe>You know, sometimes it makes me sad that there are people like us that actually know shit like this
04:24<automatik>is S.M.A.R.T. the same as smartmontools?
04:24<jmarsden>automatik: S.M.A.R.T. is the technology, smartmontools is the Debian package that uses that technology to check hard drives.
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04:25<simonrvn>smart is the 'protocol' smartmontools daemon uses to monito the drive(s)
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04:25<simonrvn>what he said
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I've cleared the way for jackd to be started, but I need to find a way to run it so that my processes can access it. In /etc/default/jackd I have specified my username but it fails to even start with that
04:26<pipe>EmleyMoor: When you're done, please investigate how I can run pulseaudio on top of jackd, thx
04:26<pabs>automatik: recent GNOME versions have SMART support too
04:26<EmleyMoor>(due to the -R switch not being permitted?)
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04:27<cahoot>pipe: (curious) why would one want jackd + PA?
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04:28<resjudicata>can I get a more up-to-date version of a package (that's not on backports) without tracking testing or sid?
04:29<resjudicata>epiphany-browser in particular
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04:30<pabs>resjudicata: something like this: sudo aptitude build-dep foo ; apt-get source --compile foo ; sudo dpkg -i *.deb
04:30<pipe>cahoot: because I'd like to use certain tools that can only use jackd because of stubborness, but PA is convenient for networking audio etc
04:31<pipe>cahoot: for the rest of the use cases when you just want to listen to an mp3 while watching a video with the volume a bit lower..
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04:32<pipe>resjudicata: yeah, using a package directly will mostly only get you in dependency trouble
04:32<automatik>installing gsmsmart but confused about something
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04:33<resjudicata>pipe, what about running testing? is it stable enough for a casual user or should I stay away?
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04:33<automatik>gsmsmartcontrol - not the other
04:34<automatik>what does postfix configuration mean?
04:34<pipe>resjudicata: Hard to say really :)
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04:34<perk>automatik, the configuration of postfix :-)
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04:34<pipe>resjudicata: I think when you reach that point where you want new packages, it might be fun/worth to try testing
04:35<automatik>it's asking me about a general type of mail configuration
04:35<automatik>got no idea what this means
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04:36<resjudicata>ok, what about boot-up scripts that don't work with the new init replacement, is there a guide on how to fix those?
04:36<pipe>what scripts would that be?
04:37<pipe>my system was magically upgraded to the new system recently
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04:37<resjudicata>something that starts the speedtouch usb adsl modem
04:37*pipe will not answer that
04:37<pipe>it will lead to loss of internet connection :)
04:38<resjudicata>hehe :)
04:39<resjudicata>fedora has a script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts that somehow works well with upstart
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04:39<resjudicata>the debian dir /etc/network seems drastically different to me
04:40<resjudicata>any idea where I could learn how to migrate from the former to the later?
04:40<jm_>man interfaces
04:40<fossiiil>why $@ expands \.\* into '\.\*' ?? i want it to expand to '.*' which mean search for .dotfiles in find command
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04:41<fossiiil>resjudicata: Fedora is sick system ;-)
04:41<pipe>$@ is treated as a completely random special case
04:41<pipe>everywhere in bash
04:41<resjudicata>fossiiil, that's why I'm moving to debian ;)
04:41<fossiiil>pipe: i try to understand luck yet
04:42<jm_>how are you using $@?
04:42<fossiiil>jm_: i can show you my complete backup script...
04:42<jm_>fossiiil: ok, but no pasting here
04:42<fossiiil>jm_: wait a minute til i -->
04:43<pipe>fossiiil: There are a couple of ways.. $@, "$@", $*, "$*" etc..
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04:44<twb>Is there anything smarter than TERM=dumb, but simpler than TERM=vt100?
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04:46<koollman>twb: what are you trying to do ?
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04:47<fossiiil>jm_: search for INIT, follow to cmd_check and see PROBLEM
04:48<pipe>fossiiil: I think the (c) 2009 isn't of much use when you don't write who is the owner of the copyright :)
04:48<fossiiil>pipe: i removed it for privacy reasons...
04:49<pipe>Another thing is to try to reduce the problem to as little code as possible
04:49<pipe>helps both you and the person trying to help
04:49<fossiiil>ok...i'' reduce the problem...
04:49<fossiiil>wait few minutes
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04:51<automatik_>how do you guys use smartmon?
04:51<automatik_>i mean any commands you know of?
04:51<twb>koollman: write a terminal emulator that's smart enough to intercept input from the user, and output from the application, and generate a static HTML page that plays a "video" of the screen and keyboard using javascript.
04:52<pipe>this already exists
04:52<pipe>I think
04:52<pipe>ttyrec doesn't work?
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04:52<jm_>fossiiil: ok I will check it
04:52<twb>ttyrec wants you to playback in an xterm
04:52<twb>i.e. not in a webpage
04:52<fossiiil>jm_: i reduced the problem, wait!
04:52<pipe>I think my friend did an avi-renderer for ttyrec
04:52<jm_>fossiiil: no need to, I did that myself
04:52<fossiiil>a minute ;-)
04:53<fossiiil>jm_: i'm sorry
04:53<twb>pipe: rasterization is what I specifically want to avoid
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04:53<koollman>twb: look at things like webshell and ajaxterm
04:53<koollman>actually, use ttyrec and webshell, just to see if it already works :)
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04:54<jm_>fossiiil: repalce $@ >> ... with eval $@ ...
04:54<twb>The web page should still make sense if you view it in w3m, similar to how an s5 presentation is still accessible in w3m.
04:54<fossiiil>anyways, here's my bash $@ expansion problem (reduced proof-of-concept):
04:54<fossiiil>jm_: i'll try...sad to say, i failed searching for 'eval' in bash manual
04:55<twb>fossiiil: $@ is never correct.
04:55<pipe>(*cough* perl *cough*)
04:55<twb>fossiiil: you must always quote it, "$@" or "$*".
04:55<twb>fossiiil: but you probably want the "eval" builtin in this case.
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04:56<twb>x="echo hello"; eval "$x"
04:57<fossiiil>jm_: thanks a lot, eval works...
04:57<fossiiil>jm_: you saved me a lot of headache!
04:57<Lethalman>anybody with unstable amd64 and inkscape?
04:58<twb>You probably want eval "$*", which will pass a single argv[1] that is padded with spaces, rather than "$@", which will pass a full argv[...].
04:58<pipe>Lethalman: testing i386 and inkscape is the closest I can give you
04:58<Lethalman>pipe, does it start?
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04:59<fossiiil>twb: i did shift in original script, sorry, i forgot it in POC
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04:59<pipe>Lethalman: yeah, eventually, after a warning about having to upgrade preferences
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04:59<Lethalman>pipe, thanks
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05:03<pipe>Lethalman: if it helps, I'm running inkscape 0.47pre4 on amd64 in ubuntu :/
05:04<Lethalman>pipe, thanks I've just reinstalled it and it runs
05:04<pipe>A good tool, that
05:04<Lethalman>pipe, it was so strange that I got libpoppler4 (not found) and libpoppler5 when I ldd'd it :S
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05:05<mihkel>Hi. I'm here again, because /var/log/lastlog won't update
05:05<chocolat888>Bonjours à tous :)
05:06<mihkel>As I understand pam module is supposed to maintain that file
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05:06<mihkel>I added: session required nowtmp
05:06<mihkel>to /etc/pam.d/login
05:06<pipe>¡888ʇɐןoɔoɥɔ oןןǝɥ
05:06<mihkel>but no good
05:06<jm_>mihkel: and how do you login?
05:06<jm_>why do you think changing /etc/pam.d/login will help then?
05:07<mihkel>jm_, don't know :)
05:07<mihkel>what will then?
05:07<pipe>I would think that too, sort of
05:07<chocolat888>hello pipe o/
05:08<pipe>chocolat888: nice, you have working unicode support for your irc :)
05:08<jm_>mihkel: see /etc/pam.d/gdm for hints
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05:09<chocolat888>no, i dont do anything, i'm just using irssi :)
05:10<EmleyMoor>Still can't get jackd to start at startup
05:10<mihkel>So I should add session required to that file?
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05:10<EmleyMoor>I can get it started but only by breaking sound altogether
05:11<pipe>EmleyMoor: might be easier to ask the authors of the jackd-requiring tools to let go of the ideals and support sound systems that people actually use :)
05:12<pipe>EmleyMoor: I'd like to use the sample editing in ardour, no need to sub-milisecond latency
05:12<mihkel>jm_, thanks. It works :)
05:12<jm_>mihkel: no worries
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05:15<vic>hi, i just wanna say hello. currently i have instaled on macbook debian and it was far themost linux instalation ever
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05:16<locklace>the most linux?
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05:16<vic>eee, the most easy instalation
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05:17<pipe>you accidentally a word
05:17<twb>I suppose I could actually do this better backwards -- by having the user write source document of "send ^[xbutterfly^M" and "capture" commands, and then compiling that into a page that replaces the "capture" commands with screenshots.
05:17<twb>That's actually almost achievable...
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05:18<pipe>vic: debian is easy, but surely not as esay as say, ubuntu?
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05:19<perk>pipe, i would say it is easier to install debian with preseed files than installing ubuntu manually
05:19<vic>ubuntu 9.04 had problems with xserver and 9.1 had few problem with configuration of VMware tools
05:19<cahoot>easy in what respect?
05:20<vic>click>click>click :)
05:20<perk>they both use the same debian installer
05:20<cahoot>vic: that's debian ;)
05:20<tim>Being dim today. Have backup server, on which I'm trying to start Postgres. Possible the database files aren't in sync. But all I get is an error about creating the IPv6 socket.LOG: could not create IPv6 socket: Address family not supported by protocol family
05:20<twb>perk: Ubuntu Server uses d-i. Ubuntu desktop uses ubiquity.
05:20<pipe>vic: (some extreme nitpicking here, but it's actually 9.10, not 9.1 :)
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05:21<perk>twb, ubiquity uses d-i as a backend
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05:21<tim>Installing postgres on another server to see if this error is fatal or not. if it isn't any good resource of cleaning up daft postgres file mess (I have a dump of the databases on the server - not as if data is at loss here just my time....)
05:22<twb>perk: yeah, OK
05:22<perk>twb, !
05:22<vic>as i understand correclty, i just read few pages from manual, ubuntu is some sort of "clone" of debian. but i wonder why in deb is SU and in ubuntu is SUDO
05:22<pipe>deb asks if you want su or sudo, if you run in expert mode
05:22<perk>vic, sudo exists in vic and su exists in ubuntu
05:22<perk>deerrr, exists in debian
05:23<pipe>I prefer sudo myself, sometimes su is better
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05:23<vic>so sudo in deb is not superuser?
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05:23<seeS>i use both
05:23<twb>sudo is pretty bloody complicated, which in a privilege escalation tool makes some people nervours.
05:23<perk>i have two machines connected via ethernet crossover. ifconfig reports the interface as up and ip addr etc. ip addr ls reports _state DOWN_. what does that mean?
05:24<vic>so for noob like me is better to use su?
05:24<perk>vic, it's a matter of taste
05:24<perk>vic, not experience
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05:24<vic>so they are the same
05:24<pipe>vic: on a desktop system, sudo can sometimes be more convenient, I think
05:24<seeS>vic: depends what you want to do
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05:25<ansgar>vic: No, sudo has more features.
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05:25<twb>sudo is a lot more flexible/complex
05:25<seeS>if im doing a lot of admin work, i su as root and off i go
05:25<twb>seeS: sudo -i
05:25<perk>vic, no they are not the same, but it is still a matter of taste and what tool to do the jobb. not the users experience
05:25<seeS>one or two commands, use sudo
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05:26<ansgar>For a desktop machine with only one main user, it should only be a matter of taste.
05:26<seeS>so sudo -i and su are the same, except the first uses your login and the second uses roots
05:26<pipe>and you can argue pros and cons about security
05:26<twb>seeS: sudo can be configured differently, but that's the most common case
05:26<vic>OK, thanks for replies, i will check themin manual
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05:26<twb>seeS: rather, su - corresponds to sudo -i
05:26<seeS>yeah id say with one main user it matters stuff-all
05:26<perk>ansgar, true
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05:27<pipe>sudo is great, then you reboot, something goes wrong, it asks for root password to continue the boot, and of course you forgot it since you use sudo all the time :)
05:27<pipe>(of course, no problem if you are careful and use good passwords that you write down and keep safe..)
05:28<perk>pipe, it does that even if you don't have a root user? (rather if it is disabled as happens when you select to not use a root user during debian install)
05:28<perk>pipe, rather, if you have a disabled root user with no password set
05:28<pipe>perk: I was mostly thinking of when you have a root user but install sudo and use it most of the time
05:28<pipe>I hope it doesn't do that with a passwordless root
05:29<perk>ah, ok
05:29<vic>thanks for answers, rebooting
05:29<resjudicata>you can disable root from d-i?
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05:30<twb>resjudicata: yes.
05:31<twb>resjudicata: rather, you can prevent it receiving a password.
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05:31<resjudicata>twb, by leaving it blank?
05:32<twb>resjudicata: no.
05:32<twb>The null password isn't the same as no password.
05:32<twb>d-i doesn't allow you to give root the null password.
05:33<resjudicata>exactly, which is why I was asking :]
05:33<resjudicata>so how do you do it?
05:33<resjudicata>using expert mode?
05:34<twb>Or preseeding
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05:37<pipe>I'm a pro so I use proseeding
05:38<twb>I'm a lazy bastard, so I use preseeding
05:39<EmleyMoor>Is there a music editor/player that does not depend on jack?
05:39<EmleyMoor>(to play from within)
05:40<resjudicata>I'm a newbie so I use automatic install letting debian take over the hdd ;p
05:41<pipe>EmleyMoor: milkytracker :)
05:41<pipe>EmleyMoor: Otherwise no :/
05:41<pipe>EmleyMoor: At least nothing good
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06:19<EmleyMoor>Is there a modern howto for handling udf packet writing in Debian? In particular, anything on how to work with it in gnome?
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06:25<EmleyMoor>Can polling detect a UDF disc in a writable drive and mount it rw automatically?
06:25*EmleyMoor guesses it's possible
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06:26<jm_>if nothing else dvd+rw-mediainfo gives the status of the disc
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06:33<fossiiil>I use '-fprint0 outfile' option with GNU find. How do i count number of entries in outfile? (wc -l counts newlines, it cannot count \0s imo)
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06:34<fossiiil>double sed usage?
06:34<pipe>sounds a bit like, "I'm using this knife to stab myself in the face, how do I make it stop bleeding?" :)
06:35<pipe>Like, why are you printing with 0 when you want to count the number of lines
06:35<pipe>and the tool for counting doesn't support it
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06:37<lancelot_of>hi all i'm trying to remove a kernel module in order to reload it (now it's causing troubles) but the commands modprobe -r mymodule or rmmod mymodule take really a lot of time (dunno if they became defunct)...any suggestion?
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06:38<jm_>not all modules can be removed
06:38<pipe>lancelot_of: at least you can check if they are defunct using for example "ps auxf" in another terminal
06:38<lancelot_of>jm_, please don't say im' caonstrained to reboot.. :(
06:39<jm_>lancelot_of: also run dmesg
06:39<pipe>kexec? :)
06:39<fossiiil>pipe: because filenames cannot contain NUL, but can contain newlines
06:39<lancelot_of>pipe, no the command is not defunct but is still running even if i've killed the terminal it was running in
06:39<prahal>lancelot_of, if an non fatal crash occured in the module it cannot be unloaded (dmesg will tell) .
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06:41<fossiiil>pipe: maybe the solution would be some find's option that outputs filenames 'bash-quoted'
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06:42<lancelot_of>i'd like to post the result of my dmesg... it's too long how to paste it into a file?
06:42<lancelot_of>(through command line)
06:43<jmarsden>lancelot_of: Use pastebinit to upload it to a pastebin
06:44<ml|>dpkg: tell lancelot_of about pastebinit
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06:46<pipe>fossiiil: well if you have to count the zeroes you can of course do so with stuff like perl
06:46<lancelot_of>guys but pastebinit is a great tool!!
06:47<lancelot_of>thanks for made me discovering it!
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06:47<ml|>yes it is :)
06:47<fossiiil>pipe: ok, i have to leave...later, sorry :-/
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06:49<perk>oh, hai
06:49<jm_>lancelot_of: lots of oops-es there
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06:50<lancelot_of>jm_, dunno what they' to fix?
06:51<jm_>lancelot_of: actually it's not an oops, but it's pointing out tasks that are stuck on some usb thing
06:51<jm_>presumably the same you want to remove
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06:52<jm_>lancelot_of: reboot ;)
06:53<pipe>but the uptime!!!
06:54<perk>but the ooooold kernel i am running!
06:54<pipe>IMHO it's better to leave a semi-broken machine running, to keep the uptime
06:54<pipe>you can always get another machine to use temporarily
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06:59<assmaster>so, im trying to apt-get my kernel headers to install my nvidia driver...but apt-get isnt fetching them any ideas?
06:59<erKURITA>are you trying apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ?
07:00<erKURITA>Chances are that the headers no longer exist because you're using an older kernel
07:00<tuxcrafter>i live in the netherlands and here a year alsways has 52 weeks, why is my ncal -w telling there are 53 weeks in a year?
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07:01<pipe>tuxcrafter: how does that work, do you use one week twice?
07:01<assmaster>thanks erKURITA...i'll have to look in to that
07:02<erKURITA>tuxcrafter I'm seeing "52 1" here
07:02<jm_>tuxcrafter: probably because it starts counting with monday, not with 1. of the month
07:02<erKURITA>Odd stuff
07:02<erKURITA> 49 50 51 52 1 <=
07:02<detly>I would like to install debian *testing* (including gnome, and a fair bit of contrib stuff) on a pc with a flaky network connection - is there a straightforward way to get or create the equivalent of the stable install dvd images, but with the packages from testing?
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07:04<erKURITA>!tell detly about debian-cd
07:04<ml|>install stable then move to testing?
07:04<tuxcrafter>well we count from monday to sunday as one week
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07:04<tuxcrafter>zo week 1 on 2010 started on monday 4 januari
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07:05<detly>mI| - flaky network connection... I'd rather download the packages on a good machine, create a DVD with the packages I'm about to install, and be done with it
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07:05<jm_>detly: apt-zip might help
07:05<assmaster>sweet, got meh headers
07:05<jm_>after the base is installed, but that's trivial
07:06<detly>that debian-cd link that dpkg sent me is broken, but I think I get the idea :)
07:06<pipe>tuxcrafter: still there's one extra day in the year, where does that go?
07:07<detly>jm_ - that's perfect :)
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07:14<tuxcrafter>pipe: you mean february the 29th?
07:16<tuxcrafter>pipe: like in ncal -w 2012
07:16<pipe>A common year doesn't have 52*7 days, it has 52*7+1.25
07:16<pipe>So either you have misunderstood something, or you have one week that's longer than 7 days in the netherlands
07:17<pipe>Or something else is weird
07:18<tuxcrafter> ncal -w 2012 -s NL has 53 weeks ..
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07:20<EmleyMoor>Week counting is odd... sometimes you have to count to 53 to begin on the right day
07:21<EmleyMoor>2009 had 53
07:21<pipe>And it's different in different parts of the world
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07:21<pipe>Naturally you can't ever use anything beginning with ISO in the US
07:22<EmleyMoor>2012 ends in week 1 here
07:22<EmleyMoor>To be week 53, at least 4 days of it must be in December
07:22<pipe>Heh ok
07:23<detly>okay, apt-zip is brilliant, thanks jm_ :)
07:24<pipe>apt-zip seems to be like someone came here, saw what you needed and then wrote a tool that did exactly that
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07:24<detly>it's almost like they had a... time machine
07:24<pipe>1.21 gigawatts is all it takes
07:24<detly>boy, I sure could use a debian-based tool to instantly create wealth
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07:25<pipe>apt-get install delorean
07:26*detly tries to pretend that he didn't actually expect there to be a package named "delorean"
07:26<EmleyMoor>That's surface wealth, like they have in Solihull... two Jags in the drive, empty fridge
07:27<pipe>deloreans can actually travel through time
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07:28<pipe>enabling you to get just that right email address that will win the toyota annyal email lottery
07:28<jm_>detly: no worries
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07:29<jm_>or toy yoda in some cases :)))
07:29<pipe>good thing you can sue when you feel stupid
07:31<detly>wow... that *would* be instant wealth creation... that's two out of two so far
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08:30<patrick>quelle système debian avec un processeur 68b i7 920 intel
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08:35<patrick>what debian system with processeur 64b i7 920
08:36<petemc>i386 or amd64
08:36<petemc>depending if you want 32 or 64 bit
08:36<patrick>ok merci
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08:37<dr|z3d>patrick: If you have less than 4GB ram, you might find 32bit more useful to you.
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08:38<pipe>*if you never plan to upgrade to more than 4GB :)
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08:41<cahoot>*on that system
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08:42<patrick>oui 4go ram
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08:44<jm_>probably less pain to go with 64bit release
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08:45<craigevil>go with 64bit the only app that is any problem to setup these days is skype
08:46<pipe>never had any issues with 64bit either
08:47<cahoot>any benefit?
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08:47<patrick>So they have what I go 4
08:47<patrick>So I shall go 4 what I do
08:48<pipe>can you even use all of that with a 32-bit kernel?
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08:50<patrick>thank you for Further Information
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09:04<patrick>he a1 week I'm on the Debian operating system can you give me a site to help me "" I'm inpeut no "" please
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09:04<jm_>fix your keymap
09:04<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
09:04<jm_>there's also console-setup
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09:09<patrick>merci a tout monde pour les information ""je vais sur man dans la console ""
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09:19<vu3rdd>why is it that after a fresh install (of debian testing), I don't see the passwords stored using a "master" passphrase? The install never prompted me for creating a new passphrase..
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09:20<jm_>you mean in iceweasel?
09:20<jm_>well gotta run
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09:23<TIBS01>anyone help me
09:23<TIBS01>how do i fix this error code
09:23<TIBS01>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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09:28<jeremiah>TIBS01: You'll need to provide more details on the error
09:28<gsimmons>TIBS01: Please provide the complete output, including the aptitude/apt-get command you are using ; /msg dpkg paste
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09:30<TIBS01>tha was already installed
09:30<TIBS01>iwas doing apt-get upgrade
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09:30<TIBS01>and when it compiles all the new packages it comes up with that
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09:55<fior>TIBS01: it will probably help if you do dpkg --configure -a and paste the command and the output on pastebin…
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10:07<TIBS01>ok fior
10:08<TIBS01>ill paste it now
10:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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10:09<TIBS01>there u go
10:11<TIBS01>any idea ?
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10:20<fior>TIBS01: well… there's a problem with phpmyadmin. I don't know what makes his post-installation script crash. You may try to backup your configuration of phpmyadmin. Then remove this package and install it back again. (I don't have any better idea)
10:21<gsimmons>TIBS01: Before that, add 'set -x' as the 2nd line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.postinst, run "dpkg --configure -a" again and pastebin the output.
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10:22<TIBS01>doing it now
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10:24<perk>TIBS01, you should edit the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.postinst
10:24<gsimmons>TIBS01: Ugh, no, you need to edit the file previously mentioned (also, without literal quotes).
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10:24<TIBS01>ooh ok
10:24<TIBS01>ang on
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10:25<TIBS01># This maintainer script was generated by yada
10:25<TIBS01>set -e
10:25<TIBS01>shall i change the set -e to set -x ?
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10:26<gsimmons>No. Add a new line after "#! /bin/sh".
10:27<TIBS01># This maintainer script was generated by yada
10:27<TIBS01>thats how it is now
10:27<TIBS01>ive added line
10:28<TIBS01>inside the brackets
10:29<TIBS01>this is the start of the config
10:29<TIBS01>which i was told to add
10:29<TIBS01># This maintainer script was generated by yada
10:29<TIBS01>set -e
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10:30<TIBS01>i give up
10:30<perk>TIBS01, make it say
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10:31<TIBS01>done that lets see what happens now
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10:32<TIBS01>still erroring
10:32<TIBS01>ill paste in the bin now
10:32<perk>do you get more output?
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10:40<TIBS01>anyone know
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10:52<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:13<edbian>Is it possibly to run a crontab job every 5 minutes?
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12:14<koollman>edbian: yes
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12:14<edbian>koollman what would it look like? 5 X X X X command ??
12:15<koollman>more like */5 * * * * command
12:15<edbian>koollman, oh! I see, clever
12:15<edbian>I was confused because there was no seconds column
12:15<edbian>koollman, Thank you
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12:21<josef_>erm. I'm assuming DVD-1 is sufficient for installing?
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12:24<jeff_hann>josef_, yes
12:24<jeff_hann>the first CD is also enough
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12:29<josef_>jeff_hann: ok, cool. I only had blank DVDs so... :)
12:29<josef_>also, for an AMD Athlon II Dual Core M300 I assume it's i386 I want, right?
12:30<jeff_hann>Athlon II dual core?
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12:30<jeff_hann>oh, I get it; sorry, I'm sleepy
12:31<jeff_hann>you can install amd64 on it too
12:32<jeff_hann>here ya go
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12:34<mojoman>hi all, I just installed googleearth on squeeze 64-bit using the googleearth-package. No problems building or installing it and it runs just fine to but both aptitude and apt-get claims that googleearth is broken. I KNOW I shouldn't try to be smarter than APT but is there an easy way to get aptitude to ignore googleearth and not try to remove on every update?
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12:36<josef_>jeff_hann: thanks again :)
12:36<kombucha>dkms is in Ubuntu but not Debian ?
12:37<kombucha>Is this in a Debian repository that I can add to sources? Or is it not part of the Debian universe at all?
12:37<craigevil>kombucha: its in debian, maybe not in stable but it is in unstable and probably testing
12:37<kombucha>ah thanks
12:37<mojoman>some additional info: the error message is ia32-libs (< 15) but 20090808 is installed. or ia32-libgl1-mesa-glx which is a virtual package. Depends: lib32nss-mdns but it is not installable
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12:39<craigevil>kombucha: its is in backports, testing and unstable, so if you are on stable you need the repo
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12:39<josef_>I suppose the amd64 arch might give me a more useful kernel...
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12:54<kombucha>I don't yet have gcc installed on an Etch box I am upping to Lenny. Is there any reason to install gcc under Etch before upgrading to Lenny?
12:57<goodger>kombucha: it will almost certainly be fine either way but it may be less hassle to install after upgrading
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12:59<kombucha>goodger: that was my thinking as well, but since Debian installer was *insistant* I type out Yes in full to override the warning, I thought I should ask....
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12:59<kombucha>esp since I have run into all sorts of gcc dependency hell with upgrades before
13:00<goodger>kombucha: what was it asking you to type out Yes for? it usually only does that when it's fairly sure you're doing something wrong
13:00<kombucha>goodger: that the following packages are recommemded but will not be installed: gcc (etc) gstereamer (etc) and what looks like a lot of spell checkers
13:01<kombucha>this was for "aptitude upgrade" with Etch sources, before the upgrade to Lenny
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13:01<goodger>I see...
13:02<kombucha>anyway, it's done now, although I did get that warning that some modules may not be loaded until the system is rebooted
13:02<kombucha>which is odd I think given that the kernel itself was not updated
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13:04<goodger>very good
13:05<Titan8990>judd, versions linux-image-686
13:05<judd>Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.32+23
13:05<Titan8990>kombucha, you should have just upgraded from .18 to .26
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13:05<Titan8990>if you went etch -> lenny
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13:06<kombucha>Titan8990: this was just to get Etch current... now I am about to upgrade to Lenny
13:07<ml|>kombucha: before you do read the lease notes /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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13:31<jeff_hann>josef_, yes, I tend to use amd64 when hardware allows me to. YMMV
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13:38<myops_>hi. anybody here experienced with the clisp package in sid?
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13:39<Guest823>me myops
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13:40<myops_>observed any stack overflows lately?
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13:42<myops_>maybe it's a ppc-only thing?
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13:43<Guest823>maybe myops
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13:45<myops_>why only maybe, guest?
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13:46<MyWifeIs19>I have an USB connected externall CD/DVD drive. So I put a disc in the drive then do this: mount /dev/sda /cdrom ; ls /cdrom/*/* ; umount /cdrom
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13:47<MyWifeIs19>After repeating it about 50 time, the disc is not detected any more. Rebooting the computer solves the problem.
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13:47<MyWifeIs19>I have observed this on two different external USB drives....
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13:49<MyWifeIs19>So I do not think this is problem with drive. I am guessing it's USB driver "stack" or maybe optical drive driver...
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13:52<MyWifeIs19>I checked /var/log/syslog and dmesg but there were not any related error messages in either... any idea where I might poke around to solve this problem?
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14:11<mercutio22>hi my HD is failing and I just installed a second one. I would like to move one of my partitions to the new drive, and expand the remaining one while being able to select the systems in grub. How do I begin cloning the partition I wanna move?
14:11<mercutio22>assuming its possible
14:12<kombucha>mercutio22: depending on which partition it is, you could dd from the old to the new and then remount it
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14:13<ml|>you can boot with a livecd and simply mount what you need and then just cp -a or rsync -av.
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14:13<jeff_hann>mercutio22, I'd go with classic dd way
14:14<ml|>with dd they need to be the same size or bigger; smaller won't work tho
14:14<mercutio22>ok, so I will try dd. Then I will use gparted to redimension the existing one.
14:14<mercutio22>Then I will have to update grub, thats probably the tricky part
14:14<mercutio22>kombucha: resize
14:15<kombucha>right, I was wondering if you really wanted to add additional 'dimensions' to the geometry
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14:16<mercutio22>kombucha: no... it was just badly worded
14:16<kombucha>it's ok, only a matter of time until we have n-dimensional storage media
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14:21<MyWifeIs19>kombucha: I would just creat a new partition then do this: mount /dev/hdc /newparticiton ; cp -a /some/old/partition /newpartition
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14:23<MyWifeIs19>once all the files are copied, then rm -rf oldpartition
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14:23<cesurasean>package mysql-server-5.0 removed but not purged, - thing is, this package doesn't exist for me to install, and purge it.
14:24<cesurasean>only mysql-server-5.1
14:24<kombucha>MyWifeIs19: well that depends on which partition doesn't it? I believe you can cp most, but not all partitions, depending on their mount points
14:26<josef_>er. Just out of curiosity, how usable is the debian graphical install option?
14:26<cesurasean>seems this package is from etch, and im now using squeeze. beautiful.
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14:28<josef_>ok, that didn't work. Good old curses...
14:29<MyWifeIs19>josef: very usable, but i thinks installation time is at least double
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14:29<josef_>MyWifeIs19: it didn't like the fact that I was somewhere other than the top list of countries, so I'm back in text mode :)
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14:30<kombucha>josef_: Is that the list that is based on how many people from that country attend DebConf ?
14:30<josef_>where didn't like == dropped to console, tried to restart the graphical option, failed, tried again, failed, ad infinitum
14:31<josef_>kombucha: I don't think so. I chose english language so I got some english speaking countries as I recall
14:33<cesurasean>"/etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: Using expire_logs_days without log_bin crashes the server. See README.Debian.gz ... failed!"
14:33<cesurasean>anyone know how to get this older version of mysql purged, or installed. either will do.
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14:36<retrospectacus>cesurasean: you need to fix those in my.cnf
14:36<cesurasean>nevermind. im good.
14:37<cesurasean>i was able to purge
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14:37<retrospectacus>that should do it yep
14:37<cesurasean>now, how do i tackle this? - insserv: warning: script 'S99webmin' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'S25libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: â
14:37<cesurasean> â warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'webmin' missing LSB tags and overrides,
14:38<cesurasean>trying to run "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc"
14:38<cesurasean>seems the webmin is the last problem?
14:38<retrospectacus>try apt-get install webmin to update it, otherwise ignore those
14:38<cesurasean>it won't ignore. i have to get rid of this...
14:39<cesurasean>i think remove webmin, reinstall webmin
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14:40<cesurasean>man, this squeeze install is a friggin blast!
14:41<cesurasean>whomever thought up the dep based boot system was genius.
14:41<retrospectacus>if that doesn't work you'll have to find out what LSB tags and overrides are and add them to those scripts in /etc/init.d/{webmin|libdevmapper1.02}
14:41<cesurasean>i just hope it's worth the trouble.
14:41<retrospectacus>ignoring it would be a lot easier
14:41<kombucha>I just did a dist-upgrade from Etch->Lenny. Next, should I do upgrade, or full-upgrade (both are giving me upgrade paths, albeit different ones)
14:42<cesurasean>ok, seems 1 last one. insserv: warning: script 'S25libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: warning: script 'libdevmapper1.02' missing LSB tags and overrides,
14:42<peej>how is networking started up in lenny and squeeze? In particular, how is /etc/network/interfaces read? I was searching for a clue in /etc/rc2.d
14:42<retrospectacus>peej: /etc/init.d/networking
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14:43<retrospectacus>cesurasean: apt-get install libdevmapper1.02
14:43<josef_>man am I glad debian exists... *bliss*
14:43<cesurasean>install isn't working. you have to remove --purge
14:44<kombucha>I am thinking I should do upgrade first, then full-upgrade, but just wanted to ask....
14:45<kombucha>As I said, this is *after* a dist-upgrade, but since this was changed in Lenny, it's still giving me unresolved upgrade paths in full-upgrade
14:45<cesurasean>kombucha, do a safe-upgrade before a full
14:45<kombucha>oh nice, thanks, wish I had seen that in the docs b4
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14:45<cesurasean>aptitude safe-upgrade ; full-upgrade
14:46<cesurasean>kombucha, what are docs? ;)
14:46<peej>cron seems to start after /etc/init.d/networking in lenny, and before /etc/init.d/networking in squeeze. How is that sequence fixed?
14:48<peej>(I seem to have a race condition. Something that ran with @reboot in lenny, fails with @reboot in squeeze. cron runs earlier in squeeze (s89 in lenny, s02 in squeeze)
14:49<ml|>kombucha: before you do read the lease notes /msg dpkg etch->lenny
14:50<peej>(me notes possible abuse of term "race condition" and blithely ignores that possible faux pas)
14:50<Titan8990>ml|, lol did you just copy and paste that from hours ago?
14:51<kombucha>lol Titan8990
14:52<ml|>Titan8990: nope
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14:53<peej>dpkg, lol?
14:53<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
14:54<Titan8990>AOL users still exist?
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14:55<cesurasean>titan8990, you'd be surprised.
14:55<peej>I thought they all migrated to facebook
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14:56<cesurasean>peej, no. they just linked their accounts to facebook.
14:56<kombucha>weird, after full-upgrade, eth1 is now eth5 (and I only have 4 nics)
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14:56<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
14:56<kombucha>you rock Titan8990
14:57<cesurasean>anyone know what libdevmapper1.02 is exactly?
14:57<peej>I can't believe it is referenced as !70
14:57<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal 70
14:57<dpkg>"70" is "<reply> see z25"
14:57<Titan8990>cesurasean, `aptitude show libdevmapper1.02.1`
14:57<dondelelcaro>dpkg: literal z25
14:57<dpkg>"z25" is "<reply>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>."
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14:59<peej>ok, but that titan8990 references it as 70 is ... strange. Titan8990, do you have a botdump that you grep for this? (sounds gross - grepping a bot dump)
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15:00<dondelelcaro>factinfo 70
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15:00<dondelelcaro>dpkg: factinfo 70
15:00<dpkg>70 -- created by gsimmons <> at Wed Sep 10 11:26:26 2008 (482 days); it has been requested 138 times, last by Titan8990, 3m 33s ago.
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15:00<dondelelcaro>dpkg: factinfo z25
15:00<dpkg>z25 -- last modified at Wed Oct 21 02:28:02 2009 by gsimmons!; it has been requested 594 times, last by Titan8990, 3m 39s ago.
15:00<dondelelcaro>anyway, the fact that it's been recalled 138 times is why people know about it
15:01<dondelelcaro>peej: you can also /msg dpkg listvals persistent-net or similar
15:01<peej>is there a manual for dpkg?
15:01<dondelelcaro>peej: /msg dpkg help
15:01<retrospectacus>peej: you want to use the update-rc.d command to resolve your race condition
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15:02<cesurasean>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:02<cesurasean> exim4-config: Conflicts: postfix but 2.6.5-3 is to be installed
15:02<cesurasean> xinetd: Conflicts: inet-superserver
15:03<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: what about it?
15:03<cesurasean>shouldn't this be handled automatically?
15:03<cesurasean>at least the xinetd. this seems to be changed from lenny...
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15:03<peej>retrospectacus, does squeeze start networking and cron in parallel? That would give a race condition. But I did not install innserv.
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15:04<retrospectacus>peej: they start in order of the file names in rc2.d
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15:04<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: it'll be handled if you use appropriate options to aptitude or apt-get to allow it to handle it properly
15:04<retrospectacus>hence S02networking before S50crond
15:04<retrospectacus>you use update-rc.d to change the numbers
15:05<retrospectacus>no idea what innserv is
15:05<dondelelcaro>you can also just use mv or rename or similar if you want
15:05<kombucha>say, can someone send me a link on how to reset the number of rows my tty displays? It got reset :-(
15:05<dondelelcaro>kombucha: reset
15:05<peej>retrospectacus, rc2.d/ has no networking symlink. (squeeze)
15:06<cesurasean>dondelelcaro, apt-get install -f?
15:06<peej>(but networking still starts up)
15:06<retrospectacus>peej: just use the update-rc.d command
15:06<retrospectacus>ignore all those files and links, the command will take care of it
15:06<peej>retrospectacus, this was a fresh squeeze install - is it a bug?
15:07<retrospectacus>is what a bug?
15:07<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: lets back up here. What command did you run and what are you trying to do?
15:07<peej>that there is no symlink to networking in rc2.d/ ?
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15:08<retrospectacus>peej: no.
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15:08<dondelelcaro>peej: networking is started in S, not runlevel 2.
15:08<machina>I'm attempting an NMU, but I'm stuck on updating the debian/copyright file. Here's the old: , and this is the new:
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15:08<machina>should I put my name and email for the copyright at the bottom of the file?
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15:09<gnude>many thanks to all debian developer who helped to create such a great operating system (lenny). i have to install it the last days in the company i work, and it works fine. with debian there is no problem, that cannot be solved
15:09<dondelelcaro>machina: it's not necessary, but you can if you wish. You should also indicate that substantial portions are copyright of the previous mantainers
15:09<dondelelcaro>gnude: you're welcome; feel free to join in and help out, too.
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15:10<peej>gnude, yup, debian's amazing.
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15:10<gnude>dondelelcaro: oh, i am realy not a developer, but not growing to get a administator with debian. but this is a long way
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15:11<dondelelcaro>gnude: it's ok, you don't need to be a developer to help
15:11<dondelelcaro>(almost no one starts helping as a developer, anyway)
15:11<gnude>peej: yes. i like to work with it. it is clear to understand and manipulate, powerfull with the aplications and aptitude is one of the best software i ever see.
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15:11<ml|>peej: /msg dpkg update-rc.d for alternatives to it
15:11<machina>dondelelcaro: So i could just omit the last block in the file?
15:12<dondelelcaro>machina: if you're NMUing, yes
15:12<dondelelcaro>machina: generally speaking, your changes should be as minimal as possible. though you'll have to get your NMU approved by a DD who will also tell you all of this
15:12<gnude>dondelecaro: oh. i help to spread it out in the world. when somepody want my help on computer, i only give help in linux, not windows anymore. and when somebody ask me for linux, i say "debian is the best way to linux".
15:12<dondelelcaro>machina: you can read the section in devref about NMuing for further details
15:13<dondelelcaro>gnude: see for some more ideas
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15:14<peej>so, networking starts in rcS, cron starts in rcs2, the @reboot line in cron should then execute *after* networking is up? Or does the system not wait for networking to be up before continuing through to rc2/. Isn't that a bug?
15:14<gnude>dondelecaro: bookmarked. i take a look on it.
15:14<dondelelcaro>peej: the network is supposed to be up, but it's not guaranteed
15:15<peej>Is there somewhere I can read about it?
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15:15<dondelelcaro>peej: not really; what are you trying to start in @reboot?
15:15<peej>iptables line
15:16<dondelelcaro>peej: oh, don't do that there.
15:16<dondelelcaro>peej: use something like ferm or similar, which will do it all for you
15:16<dondelelcaro>(you also don't need network up to add iptables rules)
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15:17<peej>well, I want to check if squid is up too. So I run: @reboot ( pgrep -u proxy ) 2>&1>/dev/null && /sbin/iptables .... blah
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15:20<josef_>I might have run into a kernel bug in lenny (it's already registered). If I stick an ethernet cord in and let the installer autoconfigure the network that ought to pull a fresher kernel down I'd think, yes?
15:22<dondelelcaro>josef_: you may get a revision with security fixes, but that's it
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15:27<Gremnon>XFCE has settings to start GNOME and KDE services on login, and GNOME has some support for KDE services, but how do you start GNOME services in a KDE session?
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15:31<peej>dondelelcaro, ferm doesn't take care of *starting* the iptables line(s). I want a neat place and way to start it (them), after checking squid is up. It looks like rc.local may be the way.
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15:33<kombucha>How can I find out if glibc 2.8 is in testing or stable (ie what's the best way?)
15:33<edbian>What power management is there on a debian system if I don't install a DE ?
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15:34<kombucha>I need to upgrade to glibc 2.8, and I understand there are some potential issues if not done correctly
15:34<edbian>and how can I edit the settings?
15:34<rik_>kombucha: go to and look for the package
15:35<kombucha>ok thanks, didn't know if there was a cli way to query that
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15:35<kombucha>ok so I need testing repos for 2.8
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15:36<rik_>don't know if there's a cli to packages website. yes testing has 2.10, stable has 2.7
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15:37<kombucha>also when I do a search on for kernel-headers it tells me nothing found ??
15:37<rik_>look for eglibc or glibc
15:37<rik_>or linux-2.6 if your
15:37<Gremnon>XFCE has settings to start GNOME and KDE services on login, and GNOME has some support for KDE services, but how do you start GNOME services in a KDE session?
15:37<rik_>you're looking for the kernel images
15:37<kombucha>it's also not finding opengl
15:38<gnude>rik_ what are you developing
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15:38<rik_>gnude: me nothing, I believe kombucha is
15:39<kombucha>I am adding a black-magic sdi video capture card
15:39<kombucha>it requires a number of packages that are in testing only
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15:40<rik_>kombucha: I think you should search for 'mesa' for opengl versions
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15:41<ml|>kombucha: you should not mix releases; check bpo
15:41<ml|>kombucha: /msg dpkg bpo
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15:42<rik_>i don't think eglibc is in backports ;-)
15:42<kombucha>oh great, I get to learn all about backporting so I can install this capture card! :-)
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15:44<kombucha>ml|: so basically I should check backports first, as opposed to upgrading to testing (?)
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15:46<ml|>kombucha: some things won't be in bpo, but if you want to use lenny, that is what you should do, if you want to use testing read about that first /msg dpkg testing
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15:48<Gremnon>XFCE has settings to start GNOME and KDE services on login, and GNOME has some support for KDE services, but how do you start GNOME services in a KDE session?
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15:53*kombucha is not sure why this APT has Super Cow Powers
15:54<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
15:54<kombucha>oh right, now I remember why I didn't remember that
15:54<peej>dondelelcaro, good idea about not needing the network up to run iptables. I'll run some of the stuff in a pre-up section
15:55<josef_>em. The amd64 testing DVDs aren't being built?
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16:02<chealer>josef_: they're not succeeding to build
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16:06<kombucha>Can someone link me to an explanation of the relation between kernel-headers and linux-headers?
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16:07<kombucha>I haven't done much at the kernel level before... just getting my feet wet so to speak
16:08<Gremnon>what exactly are the gnome services, and how does one enable them while in a KDE session?
16:08<Titan8990>kombucha, likely, linux-headers is another name for the kernel headers
16:09<ml|>Gremnon: you can try asking in #debian-kde
16:09<kombucha>Titan8990: that was my guess of course, but guessing is probably not the best path to knowledge in this case, I surmised
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16:09<Gremnon>alright thanks
16:09<kombucha>I just installed dkms from backports, and it updtated /usr/src/linux-headers
16:09<kombucha>however I know that I also need the "kernel-headers" package (no version given)
16:10<kombucha>so linux-headers do appear to be the kernel-headers for the currently running kernel
16:10<Titan8990>kombucha, the description of dkms strongly suggests the reasoning behind seperate kernel headers
16:11<Titan8990>kombucha, DKMS is a framework designed to allow individual kernel modules to be upgraded without changing the whole kernel.
16:11<Titan8990>kombucha, `aptitude show dkms`
16:11<kombucha>ah dpkg has it
16:11<kombucha>wow the homepage is at
16:12<kombucha>well, anyway
16:12<Titan8990>kombucha, for the standard headers package you want `aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)`
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16:12<kombucha>this is a silly question but aptitude does command expansion?
16:12<Titan8990>kombucha, which will install to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
16:14<Titan8990>kombucha, that is a feature of BASH, the command being given makes no difference
16:14<kombucha>neat, i actually did not realise you could use that with aptitude
16:14<Titan8990>yep, can do it with everything :)
16:14<kombucha>I don't know why I would have thought you couldn't
16:14<kombucha>I guess I thought aptitude was.... 'special'
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16:18<ml|>kombucha: if not installed already you can install bash-completion for extending bash's default
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16:18<kombucha>I can't remember the last time I was on a terminal that didn't have bash completion, but then I don't get out much
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16:19<kombucha>Now I am attempting to upgrade glibc from 2.7 to 2.8 under Lenny.... looks like I have to backport it
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16:19<kombucha>but a little wary since glibc can sometimes be hairy to upgrade
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16:27<kombucha>what does this mean: "[2009-05-25] glibc REMOVED from testing (Britney)" --
16:27<JosephM>can someone tell me if there is an easy way to tell gnome to go streight to the desktop with out asking for a username and password. I am running etch r8
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16:28<kombucha>i mean i get that it means it's gone from unstable, but how do I find out the upgrade path for glibc-2.7 --> glibc-2.8 ?
16:29<Titan8990>kombucha, why are you trying to upgrade glibc? are you aware of the damage that can cause to your system?
16:29<kombucha>Titan8990: believe me I am well aware
16:29<ml|>JosephM: incase you don't know etch security support ends on February
16:29<Titan8990>typically glibc upgrade == upgrade to a new release
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16:29<chealer>kombucha: it means that it was removed from testing (and unstable), indeed. Debian doesn't distribution glibc 2.8
16:29<kombucha>The capture card I am using requires glibc-2.8
16:30<chealer>kombucha: Debian doesn't distribute glibc 2.8
16:30<Titan8990>kombucha, it requires that to compile or IT was compiled with that version of glibc?
16:30<JosephM>well, this box will be a stand alone music player
16:30<kombucha>chealer: this may be a problem
16:30<kombucha>presumably it requires it in order to compile
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16:31<craigevil>JosephM: if you are using gdm/kdm you can set it so you autologin
16:32<Titan8990>kombucha, what capture card is this?
16:32<JosephM>craigevil, where do you go to do that, gnome desk
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16:32<kombucha>black-magic sdi
16:33<kombucha>also known as the black-magic extreme, but that is technically the high-end version of the sdi card
16:33<craigevil>JosephM: i dont use gnome, for me it would be menu>preferences>login window
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16:35<rik_>kombucha: I would try to get the eglibc packages from testing onto your otherwise stable system
16:35<kombucha>thanks rik_
16:35<rik_>and would try the update in a virtual machine first
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16:38<kombucha>rik_: that is a really good idea
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16:43<pkrzywic3i>whois pkrzywicki
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17:07<josef__>crappy HP
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17:14<kombucha>I am running kernel 2.6.26 but my headers in usr/src are 2.6.30 .... how should I correct this?
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17:17<babilen>kombucha: remove the 2.6.30 headers and install the 2.6.26 ones?
17:17<kombucha>xlnt idea
17:17<kombucha>i wonder why the 2.6.30 headers are in there... it seems aptitude full-upgrade put them in there
17:18<babilen>kombucha: a look at the output of 'apt-cache policy' might provide some pointers. Which version of Debian do you run?
17:18*kombucha needs to read up more on pinning
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17:19<babilen>kombucha: It is not advisable to run a mixed system. Especially if you try to mix stable and testing/unstable
17:20<kombucha>I really have no idea why I have 2.6.30 header
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17:20<kombucha>ok gf is calling me gotta jet yikes
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17:20<kombucha>bukerrkc thanks
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17:21<kombucha>er babilen
17:21<kombucha>darn autocomplete
17:21<kombucha>ok gotta jet before she kills me :-O
17:21<babilen>hehe .. have fun
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17:23<ml|>babilen: kombucha has being told already about not mixing releases, but not taking the suggestion ;)
17:23<dudi>anyone what version of .NET support Mono?
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17:23<dudi>I need to run Moorhunt
17:24<dudi>for upload
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17:26<ml|>dudi: try thier irc channel?
17:26<dudi>not yet
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17:32<dudi>ok thanks bye
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18:08<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:09<gianluca_>we ragazzi buona sera a tutti!
18:09<gianluca_>Come velocizzo un po il mio ubuntu?!?
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18:10<ml|>dpkg: tell gianluca_ about ubuntu
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19:02<zeus>Hi all, can anyone tell me where is the apache mime.types file ?
19:02<dondelelcaro>zeus: mime-support or apache2.2-common; /msg dpkg find
19:03<zeus>i've found /etc/mime.types but i think it a system file
19:03<zeus>dondelelcaro: ops !!
19:03<dondelelcaro>zeus: apache is generally configured to use it, though you can change it
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19:09<zeus>dondelecaro: you're right. Thank you for help !
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19:19<francois_> Hello everyone and happy new year...Question: splashy and Lenny (fresh install today) fonts change during boot. I've tried and console-tools but cannot find aworkaround. Fonts change and I loose splashy during boot. Any ideas what file to modify for that? Thanks...
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19:20<N3SS>buenas hay alguien de uruguay por aqui?
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20:03<Aleric>How can I switch resolution with my monitor?
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20:12<chealer>Aleric: which desktop environment do you use?
20:13<Aleric>What I really want is to plug in a different monitor and then switch resolution to that :)
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20:31<resjudicata>I followed dpkg's procedure to upgrade from lenny->squeeze but now I'm left without X, gdm, and gnome
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20:31<resjudicata>is testing that broken, or did something go wrong for me?
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20:39<abrotman>resjudicata: it quite possibly is .. start with `aptitude install xorg gnome-core gdm'
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20:40<resjudicata>yup, I've already done that
20:40<resjudicata>is there an alternative procedure to that of dpkg's?
20:40<resjudicata>I though testing was supposed to be more usable than this
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20:42<abrotman>uhm ..
20:42<abrotman>so they're already installed ?
20:43<resjudicata>they're installing atm, I'm chatting from another pc
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20:43<abrotman>you said you already did it ..
20:44<resjudicata>sorry :]
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20:54<mdmarmer>Here's a laptop buying decision spreadsheet -- someone put it together about 3 weeks ago
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20:55<mdmarmer>whoops -- wrong channel -sorry
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22:09<kaiorafael>i reboot my lenny box with my ipod plugged into the USB, the UDEV just changed every device behavior. how can i fix it?
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22:29<mercutio22>I just bought a new hard drive, cloned a windows partition from my previous drive with dd, now I'd like to add an entry into grub for that. I did sudo update-grub2 but it was not auto-detected. What should I do?
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22:34<gsimmons>mercutio22: Is the os-prober package installed? The /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober grub-mkconfig helper script can usually find Windows installations.
22:35<mercutio22>gsimmons: yes.. os-prober does not seem to find an os on the second disk though...
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22:36<mercutio22>gsimmons: maybe I am doing it wrong
22:36<pipe>if you have a previous windows entry it shouldn't be difficult to just copy that one
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22:38<mercutio22>pipe: you suggest I manually edit the grub.cfg file? Theres a big warning sayng I shouldn't. Thats why I was looking into another way...
22:38<mercutio22>but maybe its harmless
22:39<gsimmons>dpkg: grub2 config
22:39<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki)
22:39<pipe>you could copy the text and add an entry to /etc/grub.d/
22:39<pipe>that creates it
22:40<gsimmons>mercutio22: See /etc/grub.d/README, /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/examples/grub.cfg and the GRUB wiki mentioned above.
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22:41<mercutio22>gsimmons: I sort of understand what I have to do, I am just a little uneasy since the os-prober script should have detected my cloned partition..
22:42<pipe>there is of course a chance that your dd failed
22:42<gsimmons>mercutio22: Well, it didn't, so you'll have to roll-your-own.
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22:42<mercutio22>pipe: exactly my worry.
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22:43<pipe>dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | hd
22:43<pipe>replace hda with your partition
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22:43<pipe>should show the first block, if you're lucky it looks good :)
22:45<mercutio22>pipe: replace hda with the cloned partition you mean?
22:46<pipe>on another box I have, I'll get lots of random looking bytes and at the end some references to NTLDR, for a windows xp partition
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22:47<mercutio22>pipe: hmm.. there's some reference alright. I am not sure it looks good.
22:48<pipe>Looks good to me
22:48<mercutio22>pipe: it mentions a disk error you see?
22:48<pipe>I mean, there's obviously some sort of windows partition there
22:48<pipe>Yeah, that's just the messages
22:48<pipe>In case there is a disk error
22:48<mercutio22>so dd made its job
22:48<pipe>What you're looking at is the windows equivalent to grub stage 1
22:49<pipe>your dd worked, and the grub os prober should find the block you're looking at now
22:50<mercutio22>pipe: hmm.. no. it just finds the old windows on the first device: /dev/sda1, but overlooks /dev/sdb1
22:50<mercutio22>pipe: should the partition be mounted?
22:51<mercutio22>I mean..
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22:51<mercutio22>the one I am trying to add to grub, the cloned one?
22:51<mercutio22>the clone itself
22:51<mercutio22>not the template
22:53<pipe>Hm, I'm not sure it should
22:53<pipe>Don't know
22:53<pipe>I hate grub
22:53<pipe>It's the least userfriendly set of commands I've ever seen
22:53<pipe>With non-existing useful documentation
22:54<pipe>So forgive me for not digging deeper into this :)
22:54<mercutio22>pipe: sure. You have helped enough thnaks. I will read the wiki.
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23:35<astronut>has anyone managed to get the move networks plugin (espn360/abc/nbc/other stuff) working? supposedly it'll run in wine, but i haven't managed any success
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