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00:00<Albi>ah ok, i will check it out
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00:01<ml|>also reading on different distros at can't hurt to get an idea how some distro stack up
00:01<Albi>i think i have a slight better idea now
00:01<Albi>ah ok
00:02<Albi>ok, i'll go check all those, thanks for your help everybody!!
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00:03<kop>ml|: Distrowatch seems useless to me. It's a hit counter. What's significant about that?
00:04<ml|>kop: well easy way to get info on different distro's, site info etc...
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00:04<kop>ml|: I've always liked for that. But I've no basis for comparison.
00:07<ml|>kop: whatever works, but distrowatch is a good resource I think
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00:08<ml|>just need to get past hit thing
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00:10<spo0nman>how can i create a .deb package with some binaries and crontab entries?
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00:11<NSuldaz>greets... I have no system sounds, however, my songs and video on web play just fine via alsa. What package might I be missing to provide system sounds? I have Squeeze, with alsa and xfce4.
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00:17<ml|>spo0nman: dh-make is one way to create debs the debian way or checkinstall /msg dpkg on both
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00:21<ml|>NSuldaz: try searching with aptitude or apt-cache, by default debian does not install system sounds and I wonder if there is package for that
00:22<NSuldaz>Already installed moblin system sounds, now just require the package to play it.
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00:23<ml|>yeah just noticed the moblin sounds package
00:25<ml|>there is also freedesktop-sound-theme
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00:29<ml|>NSuldaz: using gnome? also see gnome-audio
00:30<NSuldaz>ml|, not using gnome. xfce4. Pretty sure it's something like esound... but I don't want to just start randomly installing packages to see it if magically starts to work.
00:30<ml|>esound is something else
00:32<ml|>xfce should have a way for you to select the moblin sounds
00:32<ml|>and those above where just suggestions
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01:17<dpkg>hello, i_is_broke
01:17<i_is_broke>oops that didnt work
01:18<i_is_broke>!hi | gs-linux
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01:47<spo0nman>ml|, I created a deb package and also created a debian/DEBIAN/cron.d file with my crontabs in it but when i install the package the cron.d file just gets copied in / ... how do i specify to dpkg that the cron entries in the file cron.d are to be installed as a cron?
01:49<jm_>surely it should be .../etc/cron.d/foo ?
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01:52<jm_>actually not if one uses dh_installcron
01:53<jm_>how did you name the file?
01:53<jm_>should be <pkg>.cron.d
01:54<jm_>like so: debian/<pkg>.cron.d
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02:00<spo0nman2>jm_, hi
02:00<spo0nman2>jm_, I tried to create a file called /etc/cron.d/packagename .. I placed the file in /etc/cron.d/ and restarted cron daemon, but the new jobs do not run. how do i specify that it is ran by cron?
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02:01<jm_>spo0nman2: filename should be debian/<pkg>.cron.d
02:02<spo0nman2>ok let me retry
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02:02<spo0nman2>jm_, so inside the debian dir, I create a file called pkgname.cron.d ?
02:03<jm_>spo0nman2: did you put the right entry in the file? it has a different format
02:03<jm_>spo0nman2: yes
02:03<spo0nman2>jm_, I wrote it just like a normal crontab
02:03<spo0nman2>lemme show you
02:03<jm_>spo0nman2: that is wrongf
02:04<spo0nman2>jm_, how should i write it then?
02:05<jm_>spo0nman2: man 5 crontab, read about system crontab entries
02:05<spo0nman2>jm_, ok thanks
02:06<jm_>ahh you did it right with $USER, that is not normal format
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02:06<jm_>spo0nman2: how do you know it's not executing?
02:07<spo0nman2>jm_, i looked for it in syslog
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02:07<spo0nman2>jm_, when the cron runs it should show some output to syslog?
02:07<jm_>spo0nman2: your entries only execute every 5 minutes
02:07<jm_>spo0nman2: indeed
02:08<jm_>spo0nman2: another thing, are you sure you can use variables in fields?
02:09<jm_>it doesn't evaluate those even for variable assignments
02:09<spo0nman2>jm_, that may be a mistakes but won't keep debian from executing the cron
02:09<jm_>spo0nman2: it would since it couldn't change user to '$USER'
02:10<spo0nman2>jm_, let me try one without variables
02:10<seeS>i've used variables in crontabs but im not quite like that
02:10<spo0nman2>jm_, if i create a file /etc/cron.d/package.cron.d and restart cron the crontab should run
02:10<jm_>spo0nman2: you don't need to restart cron to pick it up AFAIK
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02:19<spo0nman2>jm_, you are right ... the variables were incorrect
02:19<spo0nman2>now i need to figure out correct variable naming for cron
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02:21<jm_>spo0nman2: you can use them in commands, but not in fields where cron uses them directly
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02:26<sir_fer>testing 1.2.3
02:27<seeS>it works
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02:31<spo0nman2>jm_, thanks :)
02:32<jm_>spo0nman2: no worries
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02:35<sir_fer>thanks seeS ;)
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03:45<dpkg>raffaele: VATTENE VIA
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03:47<Noturno99>hi people
03:48<Noturno99>i did one configuration with pppoeconf and now i wanna remove it, how can i do this?
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04:17<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to enable SMTP authentication for hosts outside the local network on exim?
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04:20<jeremiah>EmleyMoor: Yeah - did you read the Exim spec file?
04:21<jeremiah>There is tons of info on doing SMTP auth, with a variety of auth methods
04:21<jeremiah>If you are going to do TLS, just make sure your system generates a lot of entropy often.
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04:22<EmleyMoor>The main problem I've got is the device which is pushing me towards this is sometimes insidde, sometimes out...
04:23<EmleyMoor>OTOH I do have webmail which neatly circumvents the problem
04:29<perk>jeremiah, hi there. nice to see you around. :-)
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04:33<Mehran>Hello to all
04:33<Mehran>i have one question would i ask ?
04:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:33<Mehran>when i type sudo rfcomm bind /dev/rfcomm0
04:34<Mehran>i saw error Cant Find config entry for rfcomm0
04:34<Mehran>what am i must to do ?
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04:35<Mehran>perk you know ?
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04:35<perk>Mehran, have you configured /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf?
04:36<Mehran>Yes perk i configured it
04:36<perk>pastebin your config file
04:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
04:38<Mehran>how can i paste ?
04:39<perk>Mehran, please don't pm me directly. talk here, so everybody can see and help out.
04:39<perk>Mehran, dpkg states it pretty clearly
04:39<Mehran>dpkg states
04:39<dpkg>Mehran: i don't know
04:39<perk>Mehran, read what dpkg said a few lines up
04:39<jm_>you don't know how to paste with mouse?
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04:40<Mehran>i did but not happen
04:40<jm_>you need to go to one of those sites, paste it in the appropriate area, press ok/send/paste/whatever and give us url
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04:42<Mehran>my Problem fixed
04:43<Mehran>that problem was in # Before my config Command
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05:22<EmleyMoor>How would I mount the filesystem of an Android phone in Debian?
05:22<goodger>EmleyMoor: plug it in, enable mass storage mode and then treat as normal, presumably
05:23<EmleyMoor>One problem - it appears not to be normal
05:23<EmleyMoor>A /dev/sde is created, but appears not to be "ready"
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05:26<goodger>is there no /dev/sde1?
05:26<perk>EmleyMoor, you have to select "mount" on the phone
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05:29<EmleyMoor>I did select mount on the phone - and no, no /dev/sde1
05:31<perk>is the sd card partitioned?
05:31<EmleyMoor>The SD card is "as it came"
05:31<EmleyMoor>I will see if there is any action I can/must take
05:34<EmleyMoor>Ah - looks like I've found it
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05:35<jose_>#debian es
05:36<goodger>jose_: /join #debian-es
05:36<cgc>jose_: haz /join #debian-es
05:36<jmm>donde estan los sanitarios ?
05:36<jmm>it's the only spanish sentences I know.
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05:42<seeS>dpkg knows, i think
05:42<dpkg>seeS: are you smoking crack?
05:42*seeS hides the stuff on his desk from that pesky screen
05:42<koollman>no he's not. and you know it, dpkg! :)
05:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:13<s4br3>Hi, I have tried for two days get K3B to burn both CDs and DVDS. DVDs work fine, but CDs just won't burn. The output log is available at, but I just cannot see what is wrong. I run Debian Sid and the latest kernel, latest K3B etc. I have also tried gnomebaker which also fails with CDs. Thanks for any help!
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06:17<cahoot>s4br3: Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, Segment 3 - tried other cd's?
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06:18<s4br3>cahoot: I can try one more
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06:20<s4br3>It starts, again, with "Performing Optimum Power Calibration", and then after about three minutes it says it failed.
06:21<s4br3>I will send the new log to the pastebin any minute
06:24<perk>have you tried another brand of cds?
06:25<s4br3>Yep. Failed. After little more than 3 minutes it says "OPC failed. Probably the writer doesn't like the medium"." I have written CDs with this burner before. The pastebin is at Yes, maybe I should see if I can find something else. Unfortunately, this stack is a 50 pkg
06:26<jm_>heh sounds familiar
06:27<s4br3>These TDK CDs, so its not really el cheapo noname
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06:30<jm_>happened to me with all the burners so far except current one
06:31<s4br3>Burning DVDs but not CDs?
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06:33<jm_>no, burner stops working with media it liked before
06:35<s4br3>but accepts other you mean?
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06:37<jm_>sometimes yes, but very often not
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06:44<s4br3>Hah! I found four unused CDs of a different brand. Fingers crossed.
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06:46<s4br3>Hmmm. Doesn't look good yet. It stalls after 20-30 secs.
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06:48<jm_>does wodim -atip work? or cdrecord if you use that
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06:48<s4br3>0,1,0 1) 'TSSTcorp' 'CDDVDW SH-S223F ' 'SB01' Removable CD-ROM
06:48<jm_>that's scanbus no?
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06:50<s4br3>wodim -atip is
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06:52<jm_>looks OK to me, but I don't have many clues about this
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06:59<s4br3>BTW, DAO is not on that last pastebin. Shouldn't it be there?
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07:00<jm_>to be honest, I stopped following this stuf a while ago, maybe it's replaced by SAO modes
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07:05<s4br3> I don't think this guy's method would help here... :(
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07:15<peej>how can I pick up the video at ?
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07:21<seeS>peej: its a flash player
07:22<peej>can I pick it up as an .flv ?
07:24<babilen>peej: yes, there are various iceweasel plugins, clive and probably a bunch of other programs to do that
07:24<cgc>peej: you can play it and look into /tmp
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07:37<keloe>anyone use squid?
07:37<keloe>i'm not sure if i should use the squid or the squid3 package
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07:43<pipe>keloe: if you don't really need all the features of squid you could try for example polipo or tinyproxy
07:43<seeS>i try squid3 first
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07:51<snogglethorpe>i use squid2 as a proxy, works great
07:51<snogglethorpe>(but not from a debian pkg, don't have admin rights on that system)
07:51<pipe>I prefer the smaller, the more code, the less code to trust :)
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07:52<jm_>so you're still using 1.2 kernel?
07:53<snogglethorpe>i wonder what the oldest linux kernel that would run on a modern machine is...
07:54<pipe>You mean the old ones doesn't even work?
07:54<snogglethorpe>pipe: i dunno, but i expect they don't
07:54<pipe>I'd actually expect they do
07:54<pipe>Someone should find out
07:55<pipe>As long as you have IDE I suppose
07:55<jm_>people have posted on lkml saying this version no longer boots on 386
07:55<snogglethorpe>pipe: the (non-processor) hardware is pretty different tho
07:55<pipe>jm_: :(
07:56<pipe>But crappy PC hardware at least tries to be backwards compatible to some degrees
07:56<pipe>Just a question of how well that works
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07:57<craigevil>anyone using Uzbl? how do you select a bookmark? u brings up my bookmarks, arrows to move/select, but how do you get it to load a particular bookmark
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08:02<babilen>craigevil: have a look at your config file
08:04<craigevil>only thing in the config for u is @cbind u = spawn @scripts_dir/ , so i guess i need to look at how that script works
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08:06<craigevil>ah got it i didnt have socat installed, :)
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09:00<dreadyhk>hola a todos
09:00<dreadyhk>como va ?
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09:00<dreadyhk>alguien se maneja en backtrack ?
09:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:02<dreadyhk>hi for all
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09:02<dreadyhk>who understand backtrack 4 ?
09:02<EmleyMoor>Never heard of it
09:03<dreadyhk>how see my pendrive in ubuntu
09:03<gsimmons>dreadyhk: BackTrack is not supported here, join #remote-exploit on for support.
09:03<dreadyhk>i dont see my pendrive
09:03<cor_r>backtrack , ubuntu based, security focused system
09:03<dreadyhk>backtrack 4 is based of debian
09:03<Titan8990>!based on debian
09:03<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
09:03<dreadyhk>but only need install my storage media
09:04<Titan8990>dreadyhk, are you not listening?
09:04<cor_r>dreadyhk, it is based on ubuntu, which again claims to be based on debian
09:04<dreadyhk>hey titan
09:04<Titan8990>dreadyhk, your in the wrong channel, bt is not supported here
09:04<dreadyhk>how see most channel ?
09:04<dreadyhk>how see the correct channel ?
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09:05<dreadyhk>channel of backtrack in spanish ?
09:05<Titan8990>dreadyhk, no, your not even on the right irc server
09:05<dreadyhk>how see mots rooms ?
09:05<Titan8990>dreadyhk, /connect
09:06<Titan8990>dreadyhk, /join #remote-exploit
09:06<dreadyhk>you are stupid titan
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09:06<cor_r>dreadyhk ??
09:07<dreadyhk>say ?
09:07<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #remote-exploit on See also <based on debian>.
09:07<cor_r>why ur calling him stupid, stupid
09:07<adb>dreadyhk, ^^
09:08<dreadyhk>what ?
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09:08<dreadyhk>how see the other rooms of xchat ?
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09:08<babilen>dreadyhk: #xchat@freenode
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09:09<pipe>I'm thinking maybe this channel shouldn't be set to default in certain irc clients..
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09:09<perk>why not, it is a great way to educate people and get them more tech savvy
09:10<cor_r>especially when they re comin from buntkuh
09:10<perk>yes, they quickly learn of the diversity of gnu/linux distros and the subtle differences between similar ones!
09:11<EmleyMoor>I have a response I use elsewhere whenever Ubuntu is mentioned
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09:12<pipe>EmleyMoor: but you won't tell us
09:13<EmleyMoor>"You bunt, you!"
09:13<EmleyMoor>Monty Python fans tend to appreciate it.
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09:29<jeremiah>Hi perk! :)
09:29<jeremiah>Sorry it took so long to reply - high system load :)
09:29*Hydroxide waves at jeremiah
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09:34<perk>jeremiah, np
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09:34<perk>jeremiah, you know that you know me right? :)
09:35<jeremiah>I figured Ö=
09:36*jeremiah curses swedish keyboard
09:36<jeremiah>I just can't remember from where! :)
09:36<perk>yeah. you should switch to my custom svorak variant
09:36<jeremiah>Yeah, will do.
09:36<jeremiah>That'll help my words per minute :P
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09:36<perk>don't know. i have 120 sometimes
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09:37<jeremiah>I am sure it is fast for you - it will just takea while till I'm fast
09:37<perk>but i was crap at touch typing with qwerty so for me the benefit was double
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09:37<perk>takes about a month before it is comfy to use is my experience
09:37<perk>when you switch :t
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09:37<pipe>I'm using the US layout even though I can't conveniently type my scandics
09:37<jeremiah>I am still getting used to Swedish keys
09:37<pipe>It's just so much easier to code with it
09:38<perk>i have put special keys on iso_level3_shift and right hand keys
09:38<perk>i really should put up an image somewhere...
09:38<pipe>I'm using a compose-key
09:38<jeremiah>pipe: With dvorak?
09:38<pipe>jeremiah: no, play US qwerty
09:39<Hydroxide>currently I'm using the, um, US-N900 layout :)
09:39<perk>pipe, but you have to use the number row for special keys right?
09:39<jeremiah>hey Hydroxide!
09:39<jeremiah>How's tricks?
09:39<jeremiah>Oh - he's on his N900
09:39<jeremiah>It will take a while for a response. :)
09:39<Hydroxide>hokay. crappy microUSB port but otherwise good
09:40<jeremiah>Thumb typing too
09:40<Hydroxide>not that bad of a keyboard
09:40<pipe>perk: Don't know what you mean by special keys, "!@#$%^&*()" etc are on the number keys
09:40<jeremiah>The keyboard actually rocks
09:40<jeremiah>Still, have to use thumbs
09:40<perk>pipe, yeah. i have those on compose plus keys under right hand
09:40<jeremiah>And search for certain keys
09:40<Hydroxide>a bit, yes
09:40<pipe>perk: But I mean, C, perl, bash, vim, it was all sort of designed to be typed with this layout so it's fine
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09:41<perk>pipe, sort of like this one but only under right hand with compose and compose shift
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09:41<pipe>Liket :)
09:42<alephnull>Intel GM965, screen blanks when I leave X. 100% repeatable.
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09:42<perk>i use bash, vim and code. i really like not having to move to far from the home row to emit special characters
09:42<perk>pipe, hah yeah. Liket indeed.
09:42<pipe>perk: yeah, sounds useful
09:43<perk>uhm. that is the Svorak A5 variant is similar to the one i made.
09:43<pipe>alephnull: does it come back if you switch back to X?
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09:46<alephnull>pipe: I mean when quitting the X session. C-M-F1, etc. do not work either. Just freezes. The box is still up, I can reach it over the network.
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09:48<alephnull>Cyril had a blog post up about something similar but it's not the same. It's not random blanking. I cannot go back to the console (which is a FB) is all.
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10:01<tuxcrafter>hi all
10:01<tuxcrafter>i got a small embedded debian device here running debian stable
10:01<tuxcrafter>and i am trying to get the usb working
10:01<tuxcrafter>but i get those error
10:01<tuxcrafter>what can i do?
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10:03<adb>judd, pciid 1d6b:0001
10:03<judd>adb: [1d6b:0001] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
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10:06<cahoot>wasn't it an usbid?
10:07<adb>judd don't know about usbid
10:07<judd>adb: Error: "don't" is not a valid command.
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10:08<tuxcrafter>it seems the usb errors are caused by the system not able to response fast enough
10:08<cahoot>tuxcrafter: by 'usb' you mean what? usb memory stick?
10:09<tuxcrafter>cahoot: it is an usb modem but the same error appears with memory sticks
10:09<tuxcrafter>when i replug the device it often works
10:09<tuxcrafter>sometimes it works sometimes the errors are there
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10:10<adb>what's that embedded system ? processor type ?
10:11<adb>ram , ..
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10:17<squiddy>hi, anyone know what type of vid stream on this web site and what plugin to make it work ?
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10:19<Lantizia>If you use passwd -l on an account... does it wipe the password hash completely?
10:19<ml|>squiddy: seems you need some real plugin to play that
10:19<Lantizia>i.e. it locks the account by it having no password - or is it some kind of other lock?
10:19<squiddy>ml|: thanks, i'll try realplayer :)
10:20<mbruins>hello is anyone using the Weather Reporter? (gweather-applet2) i was wondering if i could add a location i know there is a weather station there
10:20<ml|>iceweasel here asked me if I wanted to install the plugin, but I did not
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10:22<squiddy>ml|: my iceweasel did not ask me to install anything, so i dont really know what type of vid stream on the web site
10:22<ml|>I'm using 3.5.6 if that metters
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10:27<squiddy>ml|: thanks
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10:28<Lantizia>Is it a root idea to rename root?
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10:29<Lantizia>I want root access without using sudo... but don't want it called root as it's too easy to guess
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10:30<cahoot>not a brilliant idea
10:30<Lantizia>I know I can lock root, and give another use sudo rights... but can I just rename root instead?
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10:30<Hydroxide>Lantizia: we're not going to help you make your system dangerously insecure, sorry
10:30<Lantizia>cahoot: I'm seeing mixed responses for the idea on the net -thats why I'm asking
10:31<Lantizia>Hydroxide: I'm trying to make it more secure
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10:31<ml|>yeah bad idea and man passwd for the -l option
10:31<Lantizia>ml| I'm already doing it that way
10:31<Hydroxide>Lantizia: running as any user id 0 account is just as insecure as running as root
10:31<Lantizia>Hydroxide... then why isn't sudo a part of a debian minimal install?
10:31<Hydroxide>Lantizia: even if people can't guess your username they can still turn any arbitrary code execution vulnerability in any program you run into a full system compromise
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10:32<ml|>some people say using sudo and disabling root is mor secure like what ubuntu does, but I don't
10:32<Lantizia>ml| thats how I'm doing it now
10:32<Hydroxide>Lantizia: by default, debian has you choose a separate user password and root password during the install, and it includes 'su' in the default install for when you need root
10:32<Hydroxide>Lantizia: su asks you for the password of the user you are becoming, e.g. root. (sudo can be configured that way too, but not by default)
10:32<pipe>Lantizia: It's an option if you install in expert mode I think
10:33<Lantizia>Hydroxide: that doesn't solve the problem! you just use su root and bingo you're at that same level of access
10:33<Hydroxide>Lantizia: right... but you only use root for specific tasks, not for running your daily activities
10:33<cahoot>but su toor wouldn't?
10:33<Hydroxide>Lantizia: e.g., not for web browsing, but yes for installing system updates
10:33<ml|>Lantizia: if someone knows what they are doing you can still be hacked
10:33<ansgar>Lantizia: That is why su asks for a password ;)
10:33<Lantizia>yes I already know this ffs - would please people stop giving me linux security lessons 101... I know this
10:33<Lantizia>all I asked was if it was a good idea to rename the root user
10:34<pipe>this is unix, I know this
10:34<Hydroxide>Lantizia: it's not a bad idea, though some programs might potentially break. (in theory they shouldn't)
10:34<pipe>good idea to rename the root user? I'd say "no" :)
10:34<Hydroxide>Lantizia: but it's also not necessary
10:34<koollman>Lantizia: it's not a good idea, and it's pretty much pointless except to make your system weird for some badly written apps
10:34<Lantizia>Hydroxide: thats why I'm thinking - some things may be hard coded
10:34<Hydroxide>Lantizia: yes.
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10:35<Lantizia>OK well I'll continue as I am... a seperate user with sudo rights and root locked
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10:35<Hydroxide>there is one system I'm on where there are intentionally multiple uid 0 accounts, and certain authorized users are prompted for one of the other uid 0 passwords when using sudo instead of the root password ... this is so that the main root password can be changed without involving those other authorized users. but that's a very special case, and regardless that system still has a root account called root
10:36<Lantizia>it's odd how the passwd -l root.... doesn't actually remove the password - just prefixes a !
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10:36*Lantizia wonders if theres an unlock
10:36<Hydroxide>Lantizia: still has the effect of making it not match the typed input, and allows it to be reversible, yes
10:36<Lantizia>I'd prefer a -d for disable lol
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10:37<Lantizia>or I'll just !! it in shadows
10:37<Hydroxide>Lantizia: as pipe said, it's possible to install debian with sudo installed and root locked, but you have to type some parameters at the installer boot prompt
10:37<Lantizia>this is an openvz template anyway
10:37<ml|>man passwd shows the option -u, --unlock
10:37<Hydroxide>Lantizia: if you don't care about it being reversible, feel free to edit the shadow file to make it just a !, or *, or x, or similar
10:37<Hydroxide>in the password field
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10:37<Lantizia>yeah already seen it
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10:39<Lantizia>Hydroxide: passwd -d -l root
10:39<Lantizia>just want I want :D
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10:40<ml|>!congratulate Lantizia
10:40<dpkg>Huzzah Lantizia, you did it!
10:40*Lantizia bows
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11:03<Flakk>Hi people, a question slightly offtopic, however maybe somebody would be willing to help: I have a problem with my display: from time to time the text becomes blurred, very unpleasant to read; then it returns to normal, but this happens more and more often. i am sure now that smth is broken and th question is whether it is the monitor or the video card. I wonder how can one determine this. any tip?
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11:04<kop>Flakk: By swapping with a component that's known to work.
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11:09<Flakk>kop: this would be difficult I do not have another graphics card. well, I actually have one, but this is nvidia card, so very difficult to install.
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11:12<diggy>nvidia card very difficult to install?:)
11:12<Flakk>i mean FOR ME it is difficult
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11:12<Flakk>one needs drivers etc
11:13<Gathond>depends, if one can live without 3d acceleration the opensource driver works quite well
11:13<pipe>live without 3D????
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11:14<Gathond>naah it really is possible:)
11:14<mercutio22>hahaha... agreed.
11:14<Gathond>the positive thing is, unlike the binary POS the opensource one can suspend AND resume
11:14<Gathond>the binary one has trouble remembering to turn itself back on
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11:14<Flakk>however let me return to the initial question: is there any way to decide which one is quirky: graph card or monitor without experiments with changing monitor or card?
11:14<Gathond>so the machine boots, and runs (you can ssh in and all) the screen is just permanently off:)
11:15<pipe>Flakk: It would be *very difficult* for the graphics card to make the text blurry
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11:15<pipe>Flakk: But it's hard to tell without a picture
11:15<Flakk>pipe: so you say it is the monitor?
11:16<pipe>I'd say it's the cable :)
11:16<Gathond>depends, digital or analog signal?
11:16<Flakk>analog, this is a CRT monitore
11:16<Gathond>I could see the cards output logic messing up the signal on the analog one
11:16<Gathond>odds are the monitor though
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11:17<pipe>But some people mean "blurred" to mean "omg hard to read"
11:17<pipe>could be that pixels are missing or wrong colour etc
11:17<Flakk>no I mean sort of indistinct, fuzzy
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11:17<Flakk>this is black/white plain text file
11:18<pipe>Does it looked horizontally smeared?
11:18<pipe>With trails to the right
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11:18<Flakk>the same effect could occur when another appliance is close - but I checked it with all appliqances switched off
11:19<Flakk>yes exactly - somewhat the letters become washed off
11:19<Flakk>right AND left though
11:20<pipe>next time it happens, try wiggling the cable
11:20<pipe>if the picture is not affected by that at all, then I think it's the CRT
11:21<pipe>If it happens when you put a lot of load on the CPU, it might be the graphics card, a crack in the circuitboard that's affected by the heat for example
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11:23<Flakk>pipe: thanks I will try to check it. Actually it started some time ago - I have never seen it before (with this monitor and card)
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11:27<Flakk>the monitor is now 5 years old...
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11:27<pipe>I'm still using 20 year old CRTs :)
11:27<pipe>For my Amiga and C64s
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11:28<diggy>dude, keep your eyes safe, buy at least TFT
11:28<pipe>Ruins the picture completely
11:29<pipe>They have retarded interpolation
11:29<Flakk>pipe: that s what I wanted to do )) the monitor is not that bad it has 2048*2536@70, however i admit that some time before it was ok with 208*1536@85, and now it does not want to do it anymre with debian
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11:30<pipe>Well I think 5 years old isn't that bad, the blur shouldn't be an age-related degradation
11:33<Flakk>that s why I was thinking about the card which is older. Once I had this problem with similar card (ATI Radeon) - it worked ok with windows, but refused to work with Linux (i had mandrake then)
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11:33<Flakk>and then I changed the card and all worked
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11:34<Flakk>but Ok thanks, I guess i understand what to do
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11:37<Flakk>pipe: btw, why could the cable be the reason of the bad display??
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11:38<ml|>bad cable or connection?
11:38<kop>Flakk: Crosstalk between the wires or too much bending leads to kinks and resistance.
11:38<pipe>Yeah, too much resistance in a ground wire for example
11:39<pipe>Could mess things up
11:39<Flakk>kop: so you would say i should get it straight and not too twisted
11:39<pipe>You should not move it
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11:40<kop>Flakk: It's like using a bad drive -- it only makes things worse.
11:40<Flakk>kop, pipe - you mean i better leave it as it is and not touch it
11:41<kop>Flakk: If it's causing problem's you've no choice but to touch it and diagnose the problem.
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11:56<tuxcrafter>hi all
11:56<tuxcrafter>is there a way to make usb enumeration slower
11:56<tuxcrafter>my device is a bit slow and the enumeration is giving errors
11:56<tuxcrafter>but sometimes it works
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11:56<tuxcrafter>it seems like a speed issue
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12:02<noxzart>Is there any package that can play shockwave simulations on webpages?
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12:05<pipe>noxzart: iceweasel should be able to do that
12:06<noxzart>are you sure about it?
12:06<craigevil>not shockwave, flash yes , there is no linux version of shockwave, you can install it in wine
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12:08<pipe>So what is this about a "shockwave simulation"?
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12:08<pipe>noxzart: you mean you want to use shockwave applications?
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12:11<noxzart>pipe: hmm its shockwave and loads when i login to my student webpage. its mostly simulations in physics and math..
12:11<pipe>because to me, a "shockwave simulation" is a simulation of a shock wave
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12:15<xover>guy i cant unmount my flash disk because klaucher is getting involved, how do i kill that process or find out why its interfering with my flash disk?
12:16<pipe>kill -KILL <pid> usually takes care of the process
12:17<pipe>but not in a nice way :)
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12:18<xover>pipe, it keeps coming back
12:19<pipe>Sounds more like a kde-style question
12:19<pipe>I've had the same idiocy in gnome
12:20<pipe>some "omg, an unmounted device, let's mount it" crap popping up as soon as you unmount something
12:20<cahoot>xover: try pkill
12:21<xover>its klauncher and its a child process of kdeinit4
12:21<xover>ive done it, had to go all the way up
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12:26<jesse>hello new here just installed debian to start playing with LAMP
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12:31<salman>I have a very limited internet connection with a threshold on download. I have a small home network of 3 debian desktops one debian laptop and a dreambox. The file server is an old PII 233 with 64mb ram which is has been working like a dream for several years now. I want to save downloads by using some sort of caching system in order to avoid multiple downloads of the same file. what do you recommend?
12:32<Titan8990>+1 squid
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12:33<salman>does it play good with debs for system updates as 3 3 computers are testing, one is unstable and server is stable.
12:33<ml|>and maybe apt-zip
12:35<salman>wont squid be enough?
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12:36<salman>or should I combine squid with an apt cache system
12:36<pipe>Probably, if you set it up correctly as a completely transparent proxy
12:37<ml|>if it's just for updates, use the apt-* tools above
12:39<pipe>I'd also take a look at privoxy if I were you, if you want to minimize web traffic
12:39<pipe>To prevent downloading of ads and such
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12:39<pipe>It doesn't cache though, just filter
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12:40<ml|>or if you use iceweasel adblockplus is another option
12:40<xente>hi..can someone tell me what package provides javadoc for the sun-java packages?
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12:41<salman>so, what I need is several programs
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12:42<ml|>xente: /msg dpkg java and install java
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12:43<pipe>salman: You only *need* one, but I can't promise that squid or polipo will work well with apt
12:43<ml|>xente: also aptitude search or apt-cache search ; can't hurt ;)
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12:43<pipe>salman: without actually testing
12:43<xente>ml|: thanks for the idea
12:43<pipe>salman: What you actually *ask* for is apt-cacher
12:44<ml|>xente: btw, to use sun's java you need non-free in your sources.list
12:44<xente>ml|: yeah, I got that going.....
12:45<ml|>ok, just incase :)
12:45<xente>ml|: thanks again
12:45<salman>pipe, I meant, one app for apt caching, one for web caching and one for filtering
12:47<pipe>salman: You might be able to get away with just polipo/squid, both can filter out useless stuff and both can probably cache your apt requests, it's just that I can't say this for sure because I haven't tried that
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12:48<pipe>salman: The reason I suggest polipo is that I don't trust bloated applications, I like slim stuff, and I consider squid to be bloated, this might be interesting if you want to run it on an older machine
12:48<salman>pipe, privoxy will also work as a socks proxy, right
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12:51<pipe>salman: I'm not sure it can, it can forward traffic to a socks proxy
12:51<pipe>salman: Privoxy can't really do anything with socks traffic
12:52<salman>pipe, because I do have a socket proxy that I sometimes connect firefox to it using ssh tunneling, so I though that might make it available to all other applications
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12:54<pipe>Hm, I didn't quite get all that, how you tunnel it.
12:54<pipe>openssh can create it's own socks tunnels, that's quite handy
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12:55<salman>using ssh you can connect to the socket proxy in the server and give i a name:port that you can use in fire fox to browse. you can even tunnel dns lookups but you need to aadjust some variable in ff
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13:03<lee>is this the place to ask for help?
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13:04<ml|>for debian help, yes
13:04<lee>I am not sure what i did but now it logs in with out asking for a password, how do I stop that?
13:04<lee>I am new and installed it a few weeks ago
13:05<lee>I think so
13:05<pipe>Probably. You will find that setting in the menu
13:05<pipe>I think it's in "Administration" or something
13:05<pipe>I don't have a gnome desktop up at the moment
13:05<ml|>gdm maybe?
13:06<pipe>If you search in the "Administration" or "Preferences" you should find a "Login screen"
13:06<pipe>Then there's a setting for auto-login
13:07<pipe>So you can make a user log in automatically after a certain amount of time, somehow you or something else managed to enable that
13:07<lee>and what would i look for in preferences or administration?
13:07<lee>where would I find that at?
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13:09<pipe>lee: Ok, "System -> Administration -> Login screen"
13:09<pipe>I'm not 100% sure that you have that entry
13:10<pipe>But I think that's standard in gnome.. :)
13:10<lee>searching now
13:10<lee>found a loging window
13:10<lee>login window
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13:12<lee>i found it login automatically, iturned it off
13:12<pipe>sounds right
13:12<lee>I will be back after I reboot and see if I can log back in
13:13<lee>2nd problem before I go is when i try to change users it drops to a login screen but the screen is blank
13:13<lee>it does play the sound for logging in but it will not allow me to log in
13:14<lee>back in a few
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13:23<ivan_>hello, i formated my usb in ubuntu, it gave me an error and now it wont even mount, What can i do?
13:23<pipe>format it again
13:23<pipe>but why are you asking this in #debian?
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13:24<fenix_>eae blz
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13:27<ivan_>i dont know why it is my default channel... sorry
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13:27<ivan_>how do i change channels?
13:27<Lethalman>ivan_, type /join #ubuntu
13:27<ivan_>ok thanks
13:28<Lethalman>mh ubuntu should ship a patch for joining #ubuntu by default
13:28<Lethalman>shouldn't it?
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13:29<pipe>someone that's not as lazy should file a bug report
13:29<azeem_>there's dozens of irc clients
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13:30<ml|>maybe one day some ubuntu dev will fix this ;)
13:31<azeem_>obviously this got "fixed" multiple times
13:31<azeem_>otherwise you would see thousands of Ubuntu users in here each day
13:31<pipe>Well it's probably convenient for them to have all the ubuntu newbies coming here first
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13:31<pipe>chances are that we actaually help them :)
13:31<azeem_>sometimes somebody drops their patches accidently on merges or something it seems
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13:32<azeem_>or ivan_ used an obscure irc client
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13:35<ml|>most ubuntu users use xchat and when I have asked what irc client they are using that is the responce I get; but anything is possible
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13:36<azeem_>I've personally filed 2-3 bugs for xchat since 2004
13:36<azeem_>for this issue
13:36<Lethalman>azeem_, lol
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13:37<Lethalman>yeah I thought somebody already had reported it twice
13:37<ml|>I thought of doing the same, but that should be done by ubuntu users; seems they don't care after they figure out how to fix it
13:37<pipe>time for a bug-bot
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13:42<Iago>Brazil ?
13:43<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:48<pipe>look it's linux thorvalds
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14:23<oznt>hi guys, i'm writing from a half broken debian, which is stuck in an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, some error in pylint does not allow me to continue, any idea how I force the removal of this b9999y package?
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14:24<ml|>oznt: pastebin the output for someone to help you
14:25<oznt>i can't paste, i have a very basic terminal ...
14:25<oznt>alll i can say is - dpkg encountered some error in the removal of pylint ... it exists with status 2
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14:26<ml|>don't have pastebinit isnatlled? if not you should when you can
14:26<oznt>ml|, what is it _
14:27<ml|>dpkg: pastebinit
14:27<dpkg>i guess pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
14:27<oznt>never mind, i get what is it, but i can't install it now
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14:28<oznt>ssomeone, how do how remove the package manually, but really manually, with out dpkg ?
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14:29<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
14:29<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
14:30<ml|>oznt: did you follow the second part of that?^
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14:30<oznt>but aptitude also failed upgrading itself ! i have no aptitude
14:30<oznt>only dpkg and apt-get
14:31<oznt>so back to my original question, how do how remove the package manually, but really manually, with out dpkg ?
14:31<ml|>oh, so bigger issues
14:31<pipe>oznt: do you even know why you want to remove that package manually?
14:32<oznt>because it's preventing me from completing the upgrade?
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14:33<pipe>or maybe you need to upgrade the package, or finish configuration, etc
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14:33<oznt>i can't finish the configuration because of a missing dependency or a erronous script
14:34<pipe>and if you remove the package, it'll install the package again and fail again?
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14:34<ml|>might try apt-get update and try again
14:34<oznt>i have clue, but i tried over and over update and upgrade again
14:35<ml|>and still this issue?
14:35<pipe>I don't know what the problem is, but I do know that asking a question like "how do I remove this" is much worse than asking "I'm trying to do this because of that, and foo gives me a problem, how do I proceed" :)
14:36<oznt>it says always E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1)
14:36<oznt>pipe, i've asked a specific question, and I appreciate people helping me, but my question is: how to I force remove pylint without dpkg ?
14:37<oznt>that's all i want to know, if someone answers me that, i can continue
14:37<weasel>oznt: what does dpkg say before that?
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14:37<Titan8990>!xy problem
14:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xy problem is that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See
14:38<oznt>it says: Errors were encountered while processing: pylint... same line again with python-logilab-common
14:38<weasel>well, if you don't want to share the errors then good luck.
14:39<oznt>Titan8990, thanks, but I'm seating in front of the computer, and I know what I did, so for now, I will skip this article, even though i'll read it later
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14:40<ml|>oznt: also did you setup sources.list correctly before starting?
14:40<oznt>i have squeeze, but also sid
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14:41<oznt>ml|, is it even possible to force the removal of a package from the debian data base ? i just want it out of my way
14:41<ml|>you have both? did you setup the default release also?
14:41<oznt>it's a bug in the package, it even says this to me
14:41<oznt>no, i didn't what does it mean ?
14:42<oznt>weasel, and all the other guys I CANT PASTE
14:42<oznt>i'm using a bloody terminal
14:42<weasel>that doesn't mean you can't copy/paste.
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14:43<weasel>I can think of at least three ways off the top of my head
14:43<oznt>and a debian half working, ok ? I am not a noob, and not and expert so stop treating me like this, I'm frustrated enough ok ?
14:43<weasel>screen. the console mouse thing. typescript.
14:43<oznt>i don't have screen installed
14:43<pipe>weasel: you forget output redirection from the command..
14:43<weasel>then start at least relaying the proper error messages.
14:43<ml|>oznt: not a good idea to have sid in /etc/apt/sources.list without /etc/apt/apt.conf
14:43<weasel>so far all you told us was akin to 'it dont work'
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14:44<oznt>weasel, because everything i tried does not work, and everybody just keeps telling me what to do, instead of answering a simple yes no
14:44<oznt>is it possible to remove a package manually ?
14:44<pipe>we're trying to fix your problem
14:44<weasel>now have a nice day
14:44<weasel>I'm sure that's *EXACTLY* what you wanted to know
14:44<oznt>weasel, i did, thanks
14:44<pipe>it's like you're telling your doctor that it hurts when you stab yourself and that you want painkillers
14:45<ml|>oznt: without more info hard for someone to help you
14:45<pipe>but the doctor tries to tell you to stop stabbing yourself
14:45<oznt>pipe, thanks i understand your poing
14:46<pipe>so don't be surprised that what you're trying to do is something that most people usually don't know anything about
14:46<oznt>but I already mentioned: I'm stuck with no screen, no aptitude and half borked script. I really don't know what to do, and no I did not set up default distribution
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14:46<weasel>maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't run sid.
14:46<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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14:47<ml|>right, so you might have sid stuff and all broke somehow
14:47<pipe>oznt: you could try contacting the author of the broken script, dunno
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14:48<ml|>well, aptitude did want to upgrade also tho
14:48<ml|>*did not
14:49<oznt>pipe, I guess I could. can I until I get an answer from him, remove this package ? manualy ? how do I erase one line some where and avoid this upgrade which is forced on me ?
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14:49<pipe>an upgrade is never forced on you
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14:50<pipe>much like it's never someone else fault if you get drunk :P
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14:50<pipe>and the reason I'm not telling you how to fix a broken package database is that I have no idea
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14:50<ml|>even if you remove that package, it does not mean things will continue after that
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14:51<oznt>ml|, can we try this at least?
14:51<oznt>ml|, do you know how to do it ?
14:51<ml|>no, I can't help
14:52<pipe>Also, if the #debian channel don't know how to do it, it might be a bad idea :)
14:52<pipe>But well. Maybe it is, just that it sounds a bit hardcore.
14:52<ml|>oznt: you won't like this but do you have backups?
14:53<pipe>We had some serious problems with my brother's extremely old machine that we tried to upgrade from like, woody to etch or something
14:53<pipe>We had to use dselect to fix some broken package
14:54<oznt>whow, i did something and now i'm on the horse again
14:54<ml|>but this from stable to testing not that big of a jump; but who knows when there is sid in sources.list
14:54<oznt>dpkg -P pyling
14:54<dpkg>oznt: i don't know
14:54<oznt>dpkg -P pylint
14:54<dpkg>oznt: i don't know
14:54<weasel>pipe: skipping releases is almost always a bad idea
14:54<oznt>I'm seeing the light again
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14:55<pipe>weasel: We weren't doing that, I just didn't remember that sarge was in between :)
14:55<oznt>i was not trying to skip release, there was a missing dependency
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14:55<oznt>so I thought if I pool it from sid I'm ok
14:55<weasel>"dpkg --purge" is hardly "manual" or "without dpkg"
14:55<oznt>weasel, doesn't matter it works
14:56<oznt>everything is being setup now
14:56<sney`>if you need things from sid but don't want to *run* sid, there's always the testing-unstable mix
14:56<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
14:56<weasel>oznt: so it turns out you asked for the wrong thing after all
14:56<weasel>gee, what a surprise.
14:56<ml|>sney`: that's what he did without setting default release
14:57<oznt>weasel, you are why new people don't like linux users
14:57<ml|>sney`: and thanks I forgot that factiod
14:57<weasel>oznt: because I don't like people who ask bad questions?
14:57<oznt>instead of helping you just yell RTFFM RTFM,
14:57<pipe>He didn't really RTFM
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14:58<pipe>That would have been helpful :)
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14:58<weasel>you may note I didn't tell you to read a manual *once*.
14:58<oznt>weasel, not everyone knows how to ask the questios
14:58<weasel>all I asked for what the fuck was going on with your system.
14:58<weasel>and you didn't tell me
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14:58<oznt>weasel, your just dealing with semantics now, you still have the same attitude
14:58<weasel>well, go screw yourself then.
14:58<pipe>The key to get help is being humble
14:59<oznt>i asked: is there an alternative way to remove a package, and you started throwing at me how i did everything wrong
14:59<ml|>that does not hurt
14:59<oznt>gee, wow, that really helps out now
14:59<weasel>"how to I force remove pylint without dpkg"
14:59<weasel>that was the question.
14:59<ml|>nobody said you did everything wrong
14:59<oznt>and the answer was found by google exactly with that
15:00<weasel>oznt: your answer was "dpkg --purge"
15:00<weasel>that doesn't fit the question.
15:00<pipe>when in doubt, google
15:00<oznt>gee, you expect everyone to ask exactly what you know ? are you a bot or a human ?
15:00<weasel>I don't think this "discussion" will lead to anything
15:00<weasel>so let's end it here.
15:01<ml|>hopefully you will have a testing system and not sid/unstable one
15:01<oznt>I hope so too
15:01<ml|>there is no going back
15:01<oznt>well ...
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15:01<oznt>I don't mind living on sid ...
15:01<ml|>unless you have backups ;)
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15:02<ml|>oznt: good luck
15:02<weasel>what an utter waste of time
15:02<weasel>we haven't even learned if there's a bug somewhere
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15:03<ml|>oznt: one last thing install pastebinit when you can
15:04<oznt>i will thanks for the tip
15:04<ml|>also follow what dpkg said above above mixing testing and sid
15:05<ml|>might not be too late
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15:06<oznt>ml| i have some machines I use apt pining and so, this was really not something intentional
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15:06<ml|>oznt: never said you did, just suggesting
15:06<administrateur>c'est en anglais ici ?
15:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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15:07<administrateur>c'est en anglais ici ? oui ou non?
15:08<oznt>ml| when I use apt.conf Default-Release should be "Squeeze" or just Squeeze ?
15:08<administrateur>ben aller tous niqué vos mere ! vous repondez meme pas
15:08<ml|>dpkg: tell oznt about tum
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15:08<administrateur>bon ben saluu
15:09<oznt>with "" or without ?
15:09<ml|>oznt: make sure you use that line exactly
15:09<ml|>APT::Default-Release "testing";
15:09<administrateur>ta geule ml
15:09<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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15:10<pipe>Surprising that not everyone speaks the same language
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15:10<administrateur>tu me fait une pipe ?
15:10<administrateur>hein pipe ! ptdr
15:10<administrateur>tu pipe bien !
15:11<administrateur>bon aller pipeusse de biloute jte laisse Saluu !
15:11<ml|>administrateur: english please only
15:11<pipe>Also surprising that some people keep spamming when no one understands it
15:11<adb>!ops administrateur troll
15:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: administrateur troll
15:11<ml|>was about to ;)
15:11<mase>... but he is the "administrateur"!
15:11<RichiH>administrateur: please stop
15:11-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
15:11-!-mode/#debian [+q administrateur!*@*] by weasel
15:11<RichiH>or that
15:11-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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15:12<ml|>weasel: thanks
15:12<helix>pipe: quiet
15:12<pipe>heh, nice
15:12<helix>it's like putting tape over his mouth
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15:12<Hydroxide>helix: wow, hi, long time no see
15:12<helix>o hai
15:12<ml|>sure is
15:13<Hydroxide>helix: how's going?
15:13<helix>going great, how are you?
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15:13<babilen>.. ot ;-)
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15:13<Hydroxide>babilen: yeah, we can move to /msg if people are bothered :) seemed a slow moment
15:13<pipe>Not as fun when he left :(
15:13<babilen>it sure is ...
15:14<helix>oh man the non-ops are telling the ops to stfu
15:14<babilen>i don't actually mind ... it's just that there is beer and coffee in the #debian-offtopic café
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15:14<Hydroxide>afk, $paidjob stuff
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15:15<ml|>helix: some people might get the wrong idea having ot here
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15:15<helix>ml|: yeah, understood
15:15<helix>I'm not disagreeing, it was just funny
15:15<ml|>yes :)
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15:17<Hydroxide>back ... and moving to /msg :)
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15:25<mase>does someone know a nice php guestbook system?
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15:26<pipe>conflicting words: nice, guestbook :)
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15:26<bgat>has anyone tried to run the latest Android SDK on squeeze?
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15:27<bgat>Whenever I launch the tools/android application and click on Available Packages, it complains that the network is unreachable...
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15:28<bgat>The file it wants to download is, and I can wget that just fine. Any ideas?
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15:29<pipe>the app is in java
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15:29<pipe>and you're running amd64
15:29*pipe guesses
15:29<bgat>wow, you're good! :)
15:29<bgat>yes, I am on an AMD65
15:29<pipe>I have psychic powers
15:29<bgat>is there a workaround?
15:30<pipe>search bug reports for "java amd64 ipv6"
15:30<babilen>pipe: conflicting words: nice, php
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15:31<babilen>!dbugs 561930
15:31<pipe>Crazy enough, I recognized that number before even looking
15:31<dpkg>#561930:I[libcommons-dbcp-java] libcommons-dbcp-java: Connection pooling causes exception after change to net.ipv6.bindv6only (); Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:51:01 UTC []
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15:32<pipe>bgat: You're lucky I had a similar problem yesterday when trying to install i2p
15:32<babilen>oh i thought it was
15:32<babilen>!dbugs 560056
15:32<dpkg>#560056:I[openjdk-6] net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks java networking (); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:12:09 UTC [560142]
15:32<ml|>there is a fix in those bug reports
15:32<bgat>that one shows the fix
15:33<pipe>I think I looked at both yesterday
15:33<babilen>it's SEMI-FUCKED on #d-d, so there should be a workaround/fix
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15:33<pipe>It's java
15:33<bgat>wow, that definitely fixed it
15:33<ml|>bts to the rescue :)
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15:35<bgat>man, this is going to take an age to download...
15:36<babilen>the ipv6only=1 move (although correct) revealed a lot of buggy implementations ...
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15:40<pipe>that's good
15:40<pipe>doing The Right Thing™ is good even if it breaks stuff
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15:55<ghee>anyone running lenny on an n900? having alsa-mixer issues... it can't find config files for saving settings
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15:56<cahoot>alsa-utils installed?
15:56<pipe>ghee: that's mainly an issue with alsa being impossible to configure without being a wizard
15:56<Titan8990>pipe, `alsaconf`
15:56<cahoot>alsaconf is obsolete - no?
15:56<mojoman_>Hi guys. I *know* I really shouldn't believe that I'm smarter than aptitude but, well, sometimes it's tempting. Running 64-bit squeeze I've installed googleearth using the package from the repo. Builds, installs and runs fine but when I safe-upgrade aptitude says googleearth is broken and it will be removed. Is there a way to make aptitude ignore googleearth? Haven't found anything i the man pages that indicate this but I figured I'
15:56<mojoman_>d ask anyway.
15:57<ghee>thanks guys i'll check on alsa-utils...
15:57<ml|>isn't there a command to save settings or sound levels?
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15:58<cahoot>there is but alsa-utils should suffice
15:58<ml|>ah, does not have installed
15:58<pipe>mojoman_: I'd treat googleearth for what it is: a 3rd part closed source binary blob, and install it outside the package manager
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15:58<ml|>cahoot: can you remind me please?
15:58<Titan8990>cahoot, no, not in lenny
15:59<cahoot>ml|: alsactl store
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15:59<ml|>cahoot: ah right tanks
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15:59<edju>Lap running lenny recognizes an external usb hard drive as sdb. Trying to install squeeze on it, but the install netinst cd doesn't pick it up. Looked at the cd syslog and it picks up the usb mass storage device, but fdisk -l is only sda. Any boot parameters I can feed it?
16:00<ml|>edju: using testing iso?
16:00<mojoman_>pipe: yeah, I thought about that option. It'll work I guess.
16:00<edju>ml|, Yes, amd64.
16:01<ml|>edju: unless you want to figure it out, best to use lenny then move to squeeze
16:01*Titan8990 didn't think they made ISOs for testing
16:01<Titan8990>ml|, you can install squeeze directly from lenny netisnt
16:01<ghee>yep alsa-utils didn't come preinstalled in "easy debian" package for this phone, installing now
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16:02<edju>Titan8990, squeeze is an option on the lenny netinst?
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16:02<ml|>Titan8990: hmm, never seen that
16:02<Titan8990>edju, in expert mode, you can manually put in a mirror and specify release
16:03<ml|>but I'd still install lneyy then move to squeeze
16:03<edju>ml|, That's a dist-upgrade, I guess?
16:03<Titan8990>aptitude full-upgrade
16:03<ghee>ok, alsa-utils installed. So i should run alsactl store then?
16:04<Titan8990>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
16:04<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
16:05<Titan8990>ml|, doesn't work with ! for whatever reason
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16:05<Titan8990>dpkg, etch->lenny
16:05<ml|>yeah wierd
16:05<Titan8990>dpkg, etch->lenny
16:05<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
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16:05<adb> dpkg, lenny->lenny
16:05<dpkg>no idea, adb
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16:06<ml|>apt-get dist-upgrade works too, but aptitude ftw ;)
16:06<pipe>dpkg, lenny->etch
16:06<dpkg>pipe: i haven't a clue
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16:06<adb> dpkg, lenny<-lenny
16:06<dpkg>adb: wish i knew
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16:06<dpkg><ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q
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16:07<edju>Thanks a lot.
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16:08<ghee>hey guys still getting this error msg: "Bad key or directory name: "/apps/gnome-alsamixer/display_mixers/": Key/directory may not end with a slash '/'. Any ideas?
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16:08<Titan8990>ghee, get it from doing what?
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16:09<ghee>Titan8990 from opening alsa-mixer
16:09<mase>ghee and if you call it from console?
16:09<ghee>Titan8990 actually I haven't rebooted yet after running alsactl store...
16:09<cahoot>ghee: you mean alsamixer?
16:10<ghee>cahoot yeah
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16:10<ghee>cahoot don't i have to reboot after running alsactl store?
16:10<wnd>alsamixer that I know shouldn't have anything to do with gnome or gconf for that matter
16:10<cahoot>ghee: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 - sound or error?
16:10<ml|>Titan8990: and
16:12<Titan8990>ml|, those dirs were empty for a while because the autobuilds were failing
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16:13<ml|>oh, I've never used those iso tho, but that one way to get testing ones
16:14<ghee>cahoot error, no such file or directory
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16:14<ml|>ghee: what command did you use?
16:14<cahoot>ghee: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-base force-reload
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16:15<ghee>mj| speaker-test -t wav -c2. do i need the extra " -"?
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16:15<cahoot>ghee: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-base force-reload
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16:17<ghee>cahoot no such file or directory. sorry this is on an debian image on my phone so the directory structure must be different
16:18<cahoot>or alsa-base not installed
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16:21<ghee>cahoot you're right. i cd-ed into /etc/init.d and there is only alsa-utils, no alsa base. though there is an alsa directory in /etc
16:22<ghee>cahoot so install alsa-base then?
16:25<ml|>after alsactl store; that gets saved in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state right?
16:26<ghee>installed alsa-base, but it still doesn't show up in /etc/init.d as far as i can see
16:27<cahoot>ghee: no /etc/init.d/alsa* at all?
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16:28<ghee>cahoot just alsa-utils
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16:29<cahoot>ghee: lsmod | grep snd*
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16:30<ghee>damn no key on my phone for "|"... let me see
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16:33<babilen>ghee: try 'alsa force-reload' as root (i am not aware of any package that provides /etc/init.d/alsa-base)
16:34<babilen>cahoot: do you have that init script?
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16:35<cahoot>no but I'm on sid
16:35<ghee>after sever warnings (can't stat cgroup file system /syspart), it says: "Load ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload).
16:37<cahoot>ghee: sorry I was presuming a setup like lenny
16:37<ml|>after alsactl store; that gets saved in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state right?
16:37<babilen>cahoot: is it on lenny? i couldn't find it on p.d.o
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16:38<ghee>cpu was at 100%, rebooted...
16:38<babilen>ghee: what's the sound chip on your phone? (if in doubt: 'lspci -nn | pastebinit')
16:38<ghee>sorry my phone keyboard doesn't have a "|". but i can tell you...
16:40<cahoot>babilen: true - long since I used lenny - a bit confused
16:40<babilen>ghee: ok, the pciid ( [2342:cafe] ) of the soundcard and the name would be nice ...
16:40<ghee>the output of cat /proc/asound/cards is 0 [RX51] tlv320aic3x - RX51
16:40<babilen>cahoot: me too, which is why i double checked on p.d.o
16:41<cahoot>ghee: what does cat /proc/asound/modules return?
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16:42<ghee>sorry had to get my charger...
16:43<ghee>cahoot no such file or directory
16:43<cahoot>ghee: do you even have a /proc/asound?
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16:43<babilen>ghee: what is the pciid ?
16:44<cahoot>ghee: obviously if /proc/asound/cards i
16:44<ghee>yes and RX51 is listed in it
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16:45<cahoot>ghee not simply a matter of perms?
16:45<babilen>ghee: and you don't have sound?
16:45<ghee>babilen sorry how do i get that?
16:45<babilen>!alsa checklist
16:45<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
16:45<babilen>ghee: lspci -nn
16:45<babilen>ghee: or if you have sound?
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16:46<cahoot>ghee: $USER is member of audio group? 'id' would tell
16:46<babilen>ghee: that would be speaker-test -t wav -c2
16:46<ghee>lspci -nn yields "pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci"
16:47<babilen>sweet :-(
16:47<pipe>well, why would the phone use pci
16:47<pipe>maybe it's something else
16:47<babilen>it's a phone?
16:48<ghee>yeah nokia n900
16:49<babilen>nice one ...
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16:49<ml|>so, after alsactl store; that gets saved in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state right?
16:50<cahoot>in debian at least
16:50<ml|>cahoot: thanks just making sure
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16:51<ghee>installing some media software now to play local files. lastfm had no sound and prompted that dialog error i started with (alsamixer being unable to save config settings)
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16:52<babilen>ghee: is the speaker-test working, or do you get static from aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav?
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16:53<cahoot>if speaker-test fails - hope is slim
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16:54<Nazcafan>I saw an implementation of the singleton pattern that uses CRSP
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16:55<ghee>thanks for the help guys, my dog's acting up, back in a sec
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16:55<Nazcafan>I don't know if such implementation is very popular
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16:57<babilen>Nazcafan: in which programming language?
16:58<babilen>Nazcafan: And how exactly is that related to Debian?
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17:00<Nazcafan>babilen, I am sorry, wrong channel, wrong network
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17:01<babilen>Nazcafan: good luck in #c++ @ freenode then :-)
17:01<Nazcafan>I'm busted
17:01<Nazcafan>how did you know it wasn't Java, or Ada?
17:02<ghee>here's the error: "ALSA lib pcm.c:2162:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/ // aplay: main:608: audio open error: No such file or directory
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17:03<ghee>i guess i'll pester the dev in charge of this project at
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17:04<ghee>thanks for your help guys
17:06<babilen>Nazcafan: educated guess ...
17:06<babilen>ghee: good luck! and let us know when you find the solution! there might be others asking in here ..
17:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 389] by debhelper
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17:07<ml|>yes, good luck
17:07<ghee>will do!
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17:11<eltume>I tried installing debian 5.0.3 xfce+lxde via unetbootin but when when it boots the cd the debian says can't find sr0 error ???
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17:16<Nazcafan>babilen, actually, I changed a bit gnote implementation, and I wanted to know if there was something wrong with mine
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17:17<Nazcafan>babilen, the gnote guys seem to keep the single ctr public
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17:17<babilen>!#debian knows everything
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17:18<Nazcafan>babilen, so I defined it private and declared singleton<single> as a friend
17:18<mAniAk->anyone know why debian netinstall wont get an ip address via dhcp? ive got 2 nics in my pc, neither of them work, setting it manually doesnt work either
17:19<babilen>Nazcafan: I really think that your question is better suited in a channel like #c++
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17:24<chealer>mAniAk-: just ask your question
17:25<peej>mAniAk-, does it fail during the dhcp detect stage of the install?
17:25<mAniAk->on both cards
17:25<mAniAk->but if i open a shell and use dhclient it gets an ip
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17:26<mAniAk->but it still fails when its trying to download
17:26<mAniAk->setting it manually doesnt work either
17:27<peej>fails how?
17:27<mAniAk->let me check what syslog has to say
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17:27<peej>doesn't work?
17:27<mAniAk->but it just doesnt work
17:27<houms>good day all, I am running debian testing 64bit and java is not working, can anyone help? I have installed the sun-java6-plugin
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17:27<peej>!doesn't work?
17:27<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:28<houms>about:plugins in iceweasel shows that the plugin is there but java does not work
17:28<mAniAk->debug: resolver (libc6-edeb): packages doesnt exist (ignored)
17:28<mAniAk->info: falling back to the package description or auto-install
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17:29<mAniAk->wget: bad addresss ''
17:29<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I have a pair of packages which conflict with one another but satisy the same dependancies. I wish to swap them. How do I do this with aptitude without uninstalling all the dependancies too?
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17:30<peej>sounds like it doesn't pick up a nameserver via dhcp.
17:30<babilen>houms: what is not working?
17:31<houms>babilen I am running debian testing 64bit and java is not working, can anyone help? I have installed the sun-java6-plugin
17:31<mAniAk->nameserver in resolv.conf atm
17:31<houms>about:plugins in iceweasel shows that the plugin is there but java does not work
17:31<babilen>houms: ok, how do you know that java is not working? *sigh*
17:31<houms>anypage i try with java fails
17:31<babilen>houms: I say it works, prove me wrong
17:31<ml|>houms: did you test it on sun's site?
17:31<houms>i run proxmox pve on my network and its web console is java for the vm console
17:31<houms>that does not work
17:31<houms>the page does not work
17:32<babilen>ok, i believe you ...
17:32<houms>our sonicwall sgms management interface is java it doesn't work either
17:32<ml|>that never works here, but java works fine
17:32<babilen>could it be related to:
17:32<babilen>!dbugs 560056
17:32<dpkg>#560056:I[openjdk-6] net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks java networking (); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:12:09 UTC [560142]
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17:33<babilen>houms: you could also try other plugins like the icetea one with openjdk
17:33<peej>mAniAk-, so what happens when you try to ping
17:33<babilen>houms: do you any error messages in your error console?
17:34<mAniAk->peej: ping isnt on the netinstall apprantly, theres nothing to test my connection :/
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17:34<lee>I am looking for some help with my boot up, I must have changed some thing but I am a loss as to what.
17:34<ml|>I was talking about page :/
17:34<houms>opening java window app error the app failed to run
17:34<lee>Currently when my system boots the login screen is blank. I can log in but that does make it kind of hard to do.
17:34<houms>there was an error while executing the application click "details" for more info
17:35<babilen>houms: click details please
17:35<houms>this is the first line after commands
17:35<houms>load: class JavaVersionDisplayApplet.class not found.
17:35<ml|>that's from page?
17:35<houms>babilen should i be doing the sed command referenced in that bug report?
17:36<houms>next line in details is java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: JavaVersionDisplayApplet.class
17:36<mAniAk->peej: i have 2 default routes out on each interface tho, its prodably this that fucks it up
17:36<houms>then a bunch of at sun... and at java references
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17:37<peej>mAniAk-, you can only have one default route.
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17:38<peej>mAniAk-, what does dpkg -s iputils-ping tell you? Is this lenny?
17:38<mAniAk->netinstall doesnt have dpkg either
17:38<mAniAk->its testing
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17:39<mAniAk->lenny i guess?
17:39<babilen>mAniAk-: install with lenny's d-i
17:39<peej>mAniAk-, where did you pick up the netinstall from?
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17:39<mAniAk->i used unetbootin
17:39<babilen>mAniAk-: squeeze is the current testing
17:39<mAniAk->ive tried stable too
17:39<mAniAk->same problem
17:39<bbbbbbb70>Sorry for the idiotic qustion, but is it possible to install Debian from the Debian LiveCD? If so, how?
17:39<houms>I'm not sure i understand what the sed command does. I mean i know sed -i edits the file but not quite sure what the =\ 1 and =\ 0 mean that is throwing me but mind you I am a newb so thats expected :P
17:40<babilen>bbbbbbb70: it's in the install guide. search for debootstrap
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17:41<babilen>bbbbbbb70: but why don't you just install from CD/netboot/... ?
17:41<babilen>bbbbbbb70: but debootstrap is the way to go
17:41<bbbbbbb70>I thought it would be handy to have a LiveCD
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17:41<chealer>bbbbbbb70: yes, but you probably don't want to.
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17:41<bbbbbbb70>Why not?
17:42<babilen>bbbbbbb70: a nice live cd is grml (IMHO)
17:42<houms>babilen is that command for the workaround
17:42<houms>sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only\ =\ 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf && sudo invoke-rc.d procps restart
17:42<houms>am i reading that right?
17:42<peej>mAniAk-, I would try without using unetbootin
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17:42<babilen>houms: you can also edit /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf by hand and replace net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 with net.ipv6.bindv6only=0
17:43<babilen>houms: you are using testing/unstable ?
17:43<houms>no straight testing
17:43<houms>no unstable sources
17:43<babilen>houms: ok
17:44<houms>wanted to run it like this to give it a go
17:44<houms>I'm coming from sidux
17:44<houms>though I have used debian on servers alot
17:44<houms>I really like it on the desktop
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17:44<peej>houms, sed -i 's/search/replace/' filename basically does a search and replace in the file. sed is capable of much much more though.
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17:45<houms>other than some of these minor issues it just feels a lot smoother
17:45<chealer>bbbbbbb70: it's not really designed for that. Debian Live is not yet what you may expect it to be.
17:45<xover>how do i watch a DVD? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
17:45<xover>I feel embarrassed asking, but it just doesnt work
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17:45<babilen>houms: yeah - i'm fine with that. It's just that the bindv6only fix is only relevant for testing/unstable and java networking is fucked because of this.
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17:45<houms>yeah peej I hear sed has its own books, I have normally used it the way you referenced it
17:46<houms>i have never used =\ in there so i was just confused with that
17:46<amphi>xover: have you installed libdvdread & libdvdcss2 ?
17:46<houms>f'in java i tell you
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17:46<babilen>xover: you probably want to install one or more media players (i recommend vlc) and libdvdcss from or dmm
17:46<xover>got the latter
17:46<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
17:46<xover>I have VLC bro
17:46<peej>houms, the backlashes are escapes
17:47<lee__>i have an issue with a black or blank login screen any one have any ideas?
17:47<babilen>xover: yo bro, got libdvdcss and vlc and still errors?
17:47<xover>got all those installed
17:47<xover>and still errors
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17:47<ml|>dpkg: tell xover about dvd playback
17:47<houms>babilen libdvdcss2?
17:47<babilen>houms: yo
17:47<xover>houms, certainly do
17:47<houms>babilen is the java fix something i will have to revert later
17:47<babilen>houms: yes
17:47<cor_r>lee__ but ur sseing the command interfacE?
17:48<houms>damn it
17:48<lee__>i am seeing a black screen only
17:48<lee__>i have to login bline
17:48<lee__>i have to login blind
17:48<babilen>houms: bind6only=1 is the default setting on squeeze. There are just a lot off buggy packages around that don't handle this correctly.
17:49<babilen>xover: does this happen with every DVD or just some?
17:49<babilen>xover: Any errors on the console?
17:49<houms>peej im still confused what is diff between sed -i 's/this/that/' and the one with =\1 and =\0/
17:49<houms>forgive the rookie
17:50<cor_r>lee__ rbut ur seeing ur desktop? tried reinstalling kdm or gdm then?
17:50<houms>fair enough thanks babilen
17:50<babilen>cor_r: huh?
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17:50<houms>I assume that is only an ipv6 setting and does not affect ipv4 settings
17:50<lee__>not until it logs me in, I am ok after that, using it now
17:50<babilen>houms: you are free to leave it set to 0. It's just the default since squeeze ...
17:50<babilen>lee__: what do you use?
17:51<lee__>i am so new
17:51<peej>houms, you'll have to read up on basic regexes. Once you learn about them you'll love them.
17:51<cor_r>babilen, what u want?
17:51<pipe>regex is one of the best things I've leartn
17:51<babilen>lee__: you are aware that you are in a public channel?
17:51<lee__>i think you are asking if this is gnome
17:51<lee__>it is gnome
17:51<cor_r>lee__ reinstalled gdm?
17:51<babilen>cor_r: Just checking. It looked as if you two are immersed in a private conversation.
17:51<lee__>ok and how do I do that?
17:52<houms>thanks for your help babilen it works now. appreciate your time
17:52<babilen>houms: great
17:52<babilen>cor_r: disregard that
17:52<xover>ive got the original district 9 dvd
17:52<xover>the prawn isnt working
17:53<babilen>xover: any errors? any other dvds to try? correct region code?
17:53<cor_r>babilen, dont get it , but ok :)
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17:53<xover>what should i use babilen ? movieplayer or vlc?
17:53<cor_r>lee__, open console, login as root and do : apt-get install gdm
17:53<babilen>cor_r: I missed lee__ question
17:53<pipe>Sounds like some code. "The prawn isn't working. I repeat: The Prawn isn't Working"
17:53<noxzart>just a question is there more window systems than X?
17:53<babilen>xover: try vlc first
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17:53<lee__>is that add and remove applications to reinstall GDM?
17:53<pipe>noxzart: Intel is working on one
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17:54<noxzart>pipe: is it working and does it have a name?
17:54<xover>'the source seem to be encrypted are you yrying to play the dvd without libdvdcss
17:55<xover>vlc has turned my macboopro into a mixing deck
17:55<babilen>xover: (bubblegum's voice) are you?
17:55<cor_r>lee__ first login as root: su -> password , then do : apt-get remove gdm, then do: apt-get install gdm
17:55<pipe>noxzart: can't remember any name
17:55<lee__>ok thanks will do that now
17:55<xover>babilen, no ive got it installed blood
17:56<babilen>xover: how?
17:56<peej>houms, the backslashes looks like they might be unnecessary (maybe they're needed for other versions of sed). No harm in having them other than the fact they look a bit confusing to the eye.
17:56<babilen>xover: what does 'apt-cache libdvdcss2' give you?
17:56<pipe>noxzart: I seem to recall there is some directfb-based x-server
17:56<babilen>xover: from where? and use aptitude it's the default package manager on lenny
17:57<pipe>noxzart: "DirectFB can host XDirectFB, a rootless X server implementation that uses DirectFB windows for X11 top-level windows."
17:57<lee__>oh will that kill this screen?
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17:57<noxzart>pipe: top-level?
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17:58<xover>they are installed bro
17:58<cor_r>lee__ shouldnt
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17:58<babilen>xover: you used the dmm version or the one from videolan?
17:58<cor_r>lee__ but u will have to logout or even reboot to see the if something has changed
17:59<lee__>ok thanks
17:59<babilen>xover: and it's 'apt-cache policy libdvdcss2'
17:59<lee__>reading data base now
17:59<babilen>xover: which version of libdvdcss2 ?
17:59<mAniAk->peej: any ideas on how i can make debian installable from an usb in windows?
17:59<pipe>noxzart: I don't know any details, sorry, just spamming from memory what I've picked up on the way
17:59<babilen>xover: tried other dvds? does the region code match the one of your drive?
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18:00<peej>mAniAk-, nope
18:00<xover>how do i check the region code
18:01<xover>omg, why does it have to be so complex,
18:01<babilen>xover: say hello to the movie industry. it's much easier to rip/stream a movie than watch it legally
18:01<pipe>because of copyright laws
18:01<ml|>I installed the needed libs and just works with mplayer smplayer
18:02<xover>babilen, forget but can you watch a dvd on windows without adding some software?
18:02<xover>you do have to dont you
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18:02<amphi>xover: region coding is a price-fixing scam, basically
18:02<babilen>it works fine here with vlc, mplayer and most disks
18:02<xover>amphi, in what way? pay more for people that can afford it?
18:02<pipe>xover: correct
18:03<houms>how do i enable ctrl alt backspace to kill
18:03<amphi>xover: not exactly; in .eu prices are much higher than .us, I believe
18:04<cor_r>lol houms
18:04<amphi>xover: your drive may not have a region set
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18:06<amphi>xover: install regionset to see what region if any is set, and change/set it if you want to
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18:06<xover>amphi, ok
18:06<babilen>mAniAk-: sorry, i interpreted: "from an usb in windows" that you are using windows and assumed that it was on the same computer
18:07<amphi>dvds are a PITA
18:07<babilen>xover: there is 'regionset' in the repositories ..
18:07<xover>amphi, any given sunday isnt working either
18:07<amphi>xover: eh?
18:07<xover>its another DVD, original
18:07<ml|>yes they are, thank the dmca or whatever it's called
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18:07<babilen>xover: but you have to be careful with that, because most hw vendors limit the number of changes
18:08<pipe>Just remember guys, buying movies and music just feeds money to this system
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18:08<ml|>pipe: heh
18:08<babilen>xover: do you have any other dvd that you could try?
18:08<amphi>pipe: verily
18:08<pipe>Even if you buy a movie you like
18:08<xover>ive got asian hunnies 3, shall i try that?
18:08<xover>my face is falling off no
18:09<pipe>Why, is it raining?
18:09<babilen>xover: yes try that please ...
18:09<amphi>revealing the reptile within?
18:09<mAniAk->peej: works now, removed the second nic...
18:09<babilen>xover: but seriously: no other DVD?
18:10<pipe>Midget on Wheels
18:10<xover>its says that my regiontype is none
18:10<xover>phase II?
18:11<amphi>xover: rejoice!
18:11<babilen>xover: Is this a new computer?
18:11<babilen>or a new drive
18:11<xover>ive had it for 1 year, why
18:11<babilen>have you ever watched dvds on that computer/drive ?
18:11<xover>no, lol
18:12<amphi>rpc2 means it enforces the region code crap in firmware; rpc1 relies on the sw to do it, a better solution now sadly obsolete, unless you find ameliorated firmware for you drive
18:12<babilen>xover: ok ..
18:12<amphi>xover: it's possible the fw won't allow dvds to play without setting a region, I think :(
18:12<babilen>xover: the problem with regioncodes is that you will never be able to watch a movie from a region that does not match the code the drive is set to
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18:13<xover>so what do you advice bloodhound?
18:13<babilen>xover: there are a bunch of firmware upgrades available in the wild that set the drive to be region free. those can only be applied of you've *never* set the region code
18:14<babilen>xover: i would however still advise you to set the regioncode using the 'regionset' program
18:14<babilen>xover: and i am no bloodhound
18:14<xover>babilen, are you saying that i cannot break the region lock afterwards?
18:14<babilen>xover: yes
18:14<xover>oh butterations
18:14<babilen>it is set in hardware and you can change it like 5 times (depends on the vendor)
18:15<xover>might aswell just download it then, lol, why do they bring on this shzt themselves, hahahahaha
18:15<babilen>as i said, you might want to look for a different firmware for that drive ..
18:15<babilen>but if you don't expect to ever buy dvds in another region ... go for it, set it to whatever region you need
18:15<amphi>xover: OTOH, I've successfully upgraded dvd firmware to rpc1 twice - YMMV
18:16<babilen>amphi: rpc1 ?
18:16<xover>amphi, translate that into english
18:16<xover>sounded like some shaolin monk recital
18:16<babilen>xover: otoh = on the other hand, ymmv = your mileage may vary, rpc1 = no idea
18:16<amphi>xover: as I said above, rpc1 didn't enforce the region in firmware, it relied on the player sw to do it, which MS and Apple's dutifully did
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18:17<ml|>babilen: nice try ;)
18:17<babilen>amphi: yeah, that's the firmware i was talking about
18:17<amphi>xover: after CSS was cracked, the enforced it in the drive fw (rpc2), and the sw can do nothing about it
18:18<amphi>babilen: right; I successfully installed ameliorated firmware on a couple of laptop dvd drives
18:18<babilen>amphi: but they never had their rpc2 regioncode set, or?
18:18<amphi>babilen: IIRC, one did and one didn't
18:19<babilen>hmm ... i should try it then. I hate it that i am not able to watch any german dvds (my drive is set to asia)
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18:20<xover>FI I just wnat to watch this movie dont care about this 1800dollar laptop anymore, stupid tossers out there trying to tweek us about all the time
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18:20*pipe shamelessly plugs the pirate party
18:20<xover>everything has to be a ballache these days
18:21<ml|>pipe: careful ;)
18:21<babilen>xover: use 'regionset' to set the region code then
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18:21<babilen>yay, pirate party ++
18:21<pipe>well, it's a solution to this technical problem ;)
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18:21<pipe>although a political one..
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18:22<pipe>but yeah, no politics here is probably a good rule
18:22<xover>OMG i just set it and the FKING video is full of artifacts
18:22<babilen>but it is playing?
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18:23<xover>ran region and it shows that i used up one of my sets or whatever
18:23<babilen>ok .. but it looks awful?
18:23<babilen>yeah, one down .. four left
18:23<xover>vlc just dies
18:23<xover>movieplayer looks like sdhit
18:24<babilen>xover: dies how?
18:24<amphi>babilen: mplayer has always worked well for me
18:24<babilen>what about mplayer?
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18:25<xover>i click on playmovie and it just bombs out
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18:25<ml|>mplayer with smplayer :) or alone
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18:26<xover>ml|, why is it so difficult?
18:26<pipe>life's hard
18:26<xover>every player i use reacts differently, why?
18:26<ml|>xover: no, smplayer if you want to use a gui
18:26<pipe>xover: no messages in console?
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18:27<ml|>for mplayer need to read the nice man page for ;)
18:27<xover>is it ok if i use gnome?
18:27<pipe>only 18776 pages
18:27<ml|>*for it
18:27<xover>or do i have to watch it in 0 and 1s?
18:27<ml|>pipe: yeah :)
18:27<xover>or do i have to watch it in 0 and 1s?
18:27<amphi>xover: mplayer with aalib!
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18:27<ml|>is there a gui for gnome?
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18:28<xover>gnome is the gui
18:28<pipe>a gui for gnome
18:28<amphi>!confuse ml|
18:28<dpkg>Yes, them was our bacon tomorrow, ml|? Pants of the Dictatorship of Swaziland with extra cheese.
18:28<EmleyMoor>Nothing could be GUIer
18:28<ml|>xover: there you go
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18:28<xover>how do i watch a DVD>
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18:28<ml|>amphi: confused ;S
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18:28<xover>just tell me waht i need to isntall please?
18:28<xover>i would be greatful
18:28<pipe>xover: if you can't with vlc, then I'm not so sure what's happening
18:29<xover>play doesnt work, but scene select does, great ive got a system that is realiable as windows 95, PROGRESS!
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18:30<pipe>xover: you should try running vlc from a terminal window so you can get some debug output
18:30<cor_r>xover, go threw the wiki and look for the packages u need to install to watch dvds, like libcss libdvdread libdivx etc, and all pckages wich are not already installed with vlc
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18:30<xover>cor_r, arm snap!
18:30<xover>cor_r, step out the ringboy
18:30<amphi>xover: where is your libdvdcss2 from?
18:31<ml|>you guys know what I meant by gui for gnome, for using mplayer since smplayer id qt based
18:31<pipe>ml|: gmplayer
18:31<ml|>ah doh!
18:31<pipe>how hard was that..
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18:31<babilen>amphi: he is not telling us
18:31<cor_r>xover, what do you want guy?
18:31<amphi>babilen: ah
18:32<ml|>pipe: very apparently; I don't use gnome btw :)
18:32<xover>i got a segmentation fault when i clicked on play on the dvd menu
18:32<xover>the menu looked fine
18:32<babilen>xover: run it from the console
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18:32<pipe>I think he just did
18:32<pipe>otherwise no segfault mssage
18:32<babilen>it could have just segfaulted
18:32<AzaToth>wonder if it an bug that "ldd /usr/bin/ldd" exit with unknown exit code (126)...
18:33<babilen>xover: libdvdcss2 from videolan or dmm? (TELL US!!)
18:33<xover>why would that error come up?
18:33<xover>babilen, how do i tell?
18:33<babilen>xover: players from dmm or debian?
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18:33<babilen>xover: you installed libdvdcss2 - how?
18:33<babilen>definitely now ..
18:33<ml|>then dmm?
18:33<amphi>AzaToth: it should say 'not a dynamic executable', at least it does here
18:34<babilen>.. without any modification to your sources.list
18:34<babilen>xover: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' please
18:34<AzaToth>amphi: I see
18:34<amphi>xover: 'apt-cache policy libdvdcss2' should tell you whence it came
18:34<pipe>ldd is a bash script
18:34<amphi>AzaToth: as 'file /usr/bin/ldd' shows you
18:35<AzaToth>amphi: I've got libc6 2.10.1-2 installed, perhaps it's too old
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18:35<AzaToth>amphi: but "unknown"
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18:35<amphi>AzaToth: yes, I agree, that's not very good
18:35<amphi>AzaToth: is this sid?
18:36<amphi>AzaToth: anything on the bts?
18:36<AzaToth>though latest libc6 is 2.10.2-4
18:37<AzaToth>amphi: libc6 bts isn't sometrhing you read with own will ツ
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18:39<babilen>shit, reportbug is FUCKED
18:39<ml|>it is?
18:40<babilen>!dbugs 564253
18:40<dpkg>#564253:G[reportbug] reportbug: refuses to let me report bugs (mua not supported) (); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:36:01 UTC []
18:40<pipe>you mean it's FAR OUT MAN
18:40<ml|>I have not use it lately; hopefully it is not
18:41<babilen>i just read it on #d-d
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19:05<xover>how do i get captions without retarded subtitles everewhere//
19:06<babilen>xover: it's working now?
19:07<xover>no as i dont have any captions
19:07<xover>its doing my head in now
19:07<babilen>xover: and what exactly are 'captions without retarded subtitles' ?
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19:07<xover>captions are foreign language in the language you have selected as native
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19:08<xover>ie. a french film has french subtitles when a russian speak his native tongue
19:08<babilen>yes :-D
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19:09<babilen>and there is no seperate subtitle track for that? like french (captions) ?
19:09<babilen>only french (hearing impaired) ?
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19:10<babilen>xover: how did you fix the problem?
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19:11<amphi>xover: mplayer -slang fr or whatever
19:11<xover>christ does anyome know how to get this stupid os to get captions workin
19:12<xover>i ran it in vlc from the chapter menu
19:12<xover>the play button kills the entire thing
19:12<xover>its so rudamentary to play dvds
19:12<xover>we did years ago
19:13<sney`>#debian can't all be experts on every single piece of software available in apt
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19:13<babilen>dpkg: #debian known everything
19:13<dpkg>babilen: I don't know, could you explain it?
19:14<xover>linux can be a server but for desktop OS its the worse EVER
19:14<xover>amiga is better
19:14<sney`>#vlc on is where to go for VLC-specific support
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19:14<babilen>xover: DVDs work without problem over here ...
19:14<sney`>same here
19:15<xover>babilen, do you have captions\
19:15<amphi>my laptop is not cursed with any optical drive at all ;)
19:15<pipe>xover: when you have a problem that 99% doesn't have, it's likely not the OS
19:15<sney`>but I don't use vlc personally so my expertise is probably useless :P
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19:16<xover>course not baby
19:16<pipe>amphi: same here, it was one of the prerequisites I had in a laptop.
19:16<babilen>xover: i don't have a DVD available that has captions, so i can't check that. But you still haven't answered my question if you have multiple subtitle tracks available
19:16<amphi>pipe: heh
19:16<sney`>DVD captions/subtitles are included on the discs themselves and handled by the DVD player software. If your DVD player software appears to be missing a feature, ask the right support people or try using something else
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19:18<xover>it isnt working even with smplayer
19:18<babilen>xover: try something like video->subtitles->Track N (your native language)
19:18<babilen>in vlc
19:18<xover>the african kid is speaking and it aint captioned
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19:19<babilen>xover: ¿do you have multiple subtitle tracks available?
19:19<ml|>captions and stuff like that depends on the dvd and if the player can play it right
19:19<xover>but captions are not subtites
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19:20<babilen>have you selected the correct one?
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19:20<sney`>as far as the DVD is concerned, captions are subtitles, it's just a subtitle track that only shows occasionally instead of during all dialogue
19:20<sney`>same concept, different content :P
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19:21<xover>sney, it doesnt work mate, so what are you saying?
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19:22<Veyka>Hey, I have been trying to find out but to no avail, does anyone have any idea when a AM64 iso of squeeze will be available?
19:22<sney`>xover: perhaps in your fervor to claim that captions and subtitles are different things, you are ignoring a subtitle track you haven't tested yet?
19:22<sney`>Veyka: it is
19:23<Veyka>sney, Wait, I haven't been able to find it anywhere on the mirrors atm, am I just blind then? >>
19:23<xover>i have all the subtitles going and the first one doesnt show any captions or english
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19:23<babilen>xover: are you sure that the dialogue is captioned?
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19:24<sney`>Veyka: the netinst images are hard to find sometimes, and if a weekly build fails then the directory will show as empty, but they exist
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19:25<sney`>Veyka: netinst is the best method to use anyway.
19:25<Veyka>sney, Thanks a lot!
19:25<xover>the OS is crap
19:25<sney`>with squeeze, packages are being updated often enough that after installing everything from a big iso you'd be re-downloading most of it again in a newer version
19:25<pipe>xover: you're crap
19:26<xover>pipe, FU
19:26<pipe>I just did
19:26<xover>babilen, yes i have seen this film in the cinema
19:26<sney`>Yes, the OS is crap because you don't know how to get one application working. right. Exactly.
19:26<sney`>go bother the Videolan people, please.
19:26<Veyka>sney, Aye, cheers for that, I have been bashing my head against a wall trying to work out where I could find an iso >>
19:26<xover>sney, none of the appz that run DVDs will run them
19:26<pipe>xover: do you know why?
19:27<pipe>xover: do you know that you're most probably breaking the law even trying to watch a DVD without paying for the player license?
19:27<sney`>pipe: because debian sux, duh omg wtf bbq.
19:27<pipe>sney`: o sry
19:28<xover>pipe, i dont need license to watch a stupid DVD
19:29<craigevil>xover: yeah you do , thast why windows doesnt play dvds without buying a dvd program
19:30<xover>where do i enable captions in mplayer?
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19:30<xover>i dont care mate
19:30<xover>where do i enable captions in mplayer?
19:31<sney`>it is probably in a right click menu
19:31<sney`>with any (especially older) X11 software, if you're looking for options, it's usually right click
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19:32<ml|>man mplayer ;)
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19:34<ml|>Veyka: the testing iso might not work correctly, it is called testing ;) ; you use lenny installer in expert mode and do the same or install lenny and move to testing
19:34<ml|>you can*
19:35<sney`>testing is generally stable enough these days
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19:35<babilen>and the testing d-i has so many new features :-D
19:35<ml|>for the iso?
19:35<Veyka>Hmm, I dont think i saw anything that would effect me to badly on the testing bugs list
19:36<ml|>Veyka: just saying if you do, you know why
19:36<Veyka>ml|, Yuppers, I know the risks ;)
19:36<ml|>ok some don't
19:36<babilen>Veyka: have fun then
19:37<Veyka>babilen, I shall, thanks :)
19:37<ml|>hopefully it will be uneventfull :)
19:38<Veyka>I would be very surprised if it is!
19:38<babilen>Veyka: you might want to read
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19:39<Veyka>babilen, Thanks I will!
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19:40<xover>can someone explain to me how i get caption working
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19:42<dpkg>If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
19:43<seeS>i didn't understand his question without enough context
19:44<ml|>seeS: you don't 'see' all? ;)
19:44<sney`>he defies context, he wants everyone to just bend over backwards to fix his DVD problem
19:44<amphi>xsdg: I have 'slang=en' in my ~/.mplayer/config and generally, they just worked if I recall correctly
19:44<amphi>xsdg: sorry, misfire
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19:45<seeS>ml|: no I see "S" only, stuff the other letters
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19:49<Veyka>Very quick question, if i share a /home between installs, and use the same user name, will bad stuff happen?
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19:50<ml|>diferrent versions of apps might use different config settings
19:50<babilen>uid should be the same
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19:51<Veyka>I dont have that much installed/custom config atm
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19:53<seeS>veyka: the same username is ok, you will have to sync /etc/passwd and friends
19:53<seeS>veyka: application config may be a bit wierd too, depending
19:54<Veyka>seeS, Thanks! Do you mean use the same password as well as the same username, or will that not be enough?
19:54<babilen>Veyka: no, you have to make sure that the uids match
19:54<seeS>as babilen says
19:55<seeS>/etc/passwd doesnt have passwords, strangely enough
19:55<ml|>should be the same if you use the same distro, no?
19:55*seeS is old and remembers when they used to
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19:55*babilen too
19:55<Veyka>Would be lenny > Squeeze
19:55<babilen>Veyka: how many users on that machine?
19:55<seeS>ml|: depends on the uid
19:55*Hydroxide too (at least via NIS)
19:56<seeS>You see the low numbered uids are fixed, so all Debian machines have identical numbers
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19:56<babilen>Hydroxide: *shudder*
19:56<Veyka>babilen, 2 but only 1 has any amount of data
19:56<seeS>1000+ is your users so it depends on who you create when.
19:57<babilen>Veyka: ok. do you have access to the 'other' (what is it btw?) installation now?
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19:57<seeS>100-999 us dynamically created system ids, they will vary BUT a)the package should check for these existing already and b) theyre not used in home directories much if at all
19:57<Hydroxide>babilen: my undergrad uni's CS department didn't stop using NIS until after I graduated - they're *finally* on Kerberos+LDAP
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19:57<Veyka>babilen, Not yet, I haven't installed it yet ;)
19:57<seeS>urgh, i remeber that, NIS meant no shadow :(
19:57<Hydroxide>(they do use debian too)
19:59<babilen>Veyka: ok - basically just make sure that the uid of the users on both systems is the same (by creating them in the same order/syncing /etc/passwd / running ldap somewhere ;-) )
19:59<babilen>Veyka: what will the other install be?
19:59<ml|>seeS: oh I see, I thought they would be the same since they are separate installs
19:59<Veyka>One install is this one (Lenny 5.0.3) other will be Squeeze
20:00<babilen>Veyka: you are sure that you don't want to use a virtual machine or a chroot?
20:00<seeS>ml|: depends on package installation sequence. you install foo then bar then foo=101 and bar=102 but reverse the pattern and the uids change. but if they were 21 and 22 they wont change
20:01<Veyka>babilen, I have been having some issues with the "older" packages on Lenny, and havent had much luck updating them (to much to update) So i feel testing would be a good fit for me
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20:01<babilen>Veyka: it's just, well, uncommon to dual boot lenny+squeeze AFAIK .. You might want to consider upgrading to squeeze. But I am just making suggestions ...
20:02<ml|>Veyka: then use testing and lenny in a vm or vice versa
20:02<Veyka>babilen, Well.. the idea is just to keep this lenny install until I have testing installed without any problems
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20:02<babilen>hehe ...
20:03<Veyka>I have them as well, I just dont want to be stuck on windows while I try and work out what I broke
20:03<babilen>i'd rather burn a good live cd (grml) ... but do as you please. I was just curious ...
20:03<ml|>Veyka: why go thru all that if you have backups?
20:03<babilen>ml|: *whisper* he could be forced to boot windows
20:04<ml|>besides what you said above
20:04<ml|>babilen: hehe
20:04<Veyka>I cant stand the "Grind" effect windows has on my hardware :/
20:04<babilen>Veyka: If i were you i would just upgrade your lenny installation to squeeze
20:04<ml|>me too
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20:05<Veyka>How "clean" is the upgrades process, because I have a bit of a messy install at the moment (experimenting)?
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20:05<HFSPLUS>sup everyone how the fuck are you??????
20:05<ml|>and keep the lenny backup tucked away somewhere
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20:05<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
20:05<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
20:06<babilen>Veyka: pray continue .. what do you mean with 'messy' ?
20:06<ml|>but messy does not sound good
20:06<Veyka>babilen, bits of self compiled junk mostly
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20:06<Veyka>PA in general being utterly crap
20:06<babilen>Veyka: installed where?
20:07<ml|>should be fine if in /usr/local/
20:07<Veyka>babilen, default install locations mostly (stupidly)
20:07<babilen>default as in /usr/local or /usr ?
20:08<Veyka>Very good question, I don't have an answer im afraid, let me look
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20:08<Veyka>(I did a lot of learning on this install)
20:09<ml|>better to use a vm or similar I think
20:09<Veyka>Im a fully converted long time windows user, thus my general attraction to full reinstalls ;)
20:09<babilen>Veyka: But to say it again: It's fine with us if you continue with your original plan. It's just a little drastic to reinstall .. especially if you want to keep the old install intact
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20:10<ml|>maybe a reinstall of lenny and move to squeeze might be needed tho
20:10*babilen would do that
20:10<ml|>or testing iso ;)
20:10<babilen>or those :-)
20:10<Veyka>I am always interested to hear more opinions/advice/etc
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20:10<ml|>babilen: this way here is sure in what he has
20:11<Veyka>I wouldnt be very happy upgrading, some things feel a bit held together with string and hopes
20:11<Veyka>Mostly audio, and mostly PA
20:11<ml|>she whatever ;)
20:11<babilen>hmm ..
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20:11<babilen>Veyka: ok, then reinstall ..
20:12<babilen>and use a vm for playing/learning/breaking stuff next time ;-)
20:12<ml|>^ agreed
20:12<ravenbird>ml|: ENOPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about
20:12<ml|>Veyka: ^
20:12<babilen>ravenbird: shut up
20:12<ravenbird>why should i?
20:12<Veyka>babilen, Well, I dont mind nuking this install to much, keeping the /home intact wouldnt be to much trouble in the end would it though?
20:12<Veyka>Yeh, I think a VM will be first on my toto :/
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20:13<babilen>Veyka: no, just don't create a new filesystem on it
20:13<Veyka>babilen, Spiffy, thanks!
20:13<babilen>and hei, you have backups
20:13<ml|>the installer is good about /home
20:14<Veyka>I dont keep anything important within the confines of my OS
20:14<Veyka>All on other HDD's/partitions
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20:14<Veyka>Been burned by keeping data on the same partition as the OS before
20:15<ml|>I think everyone should use a seperate /home or /mnt/data or whatever
20:15<Veyka>My friend that converted me told me todo that, im pretty happy I did
20:16<ml|>good advice
20:16<Veyka>Hes a long time *nix user, and hasnt pointed me wrong yet ;)
20:17<HFSPLUS>Take public transit it is greener than driving
20:18<ml|>HFSPLUS: do you have a debian question?
20:18<HFSPLUS>ban me
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20:19<ml|>!ops HFSPLUS is a ....
20:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: HFSPLUS is a ....
20:19<ml|>oops he left
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20:21<babilen>Veyka: hei, i wish you good luck and fun with your new install. I would still recommend to just ditch the old install though
20:21<Veyka>babilen, I think I am going to, not worth the headacke I dont think ;)
20:21<Veyka>And thanks a lot for all the help! Time to get this started
20:21<ml|>better to have a fresh slate
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20:21<Veyka>Pretty much!
20:22<ml|>good luck
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20:22<Veyka>Cheer and have a nice day/night/morning/evening ;)
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20:22<the_ultimate_samurai>anyone here familiar with virtual box?
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20:23<babilen>the_ultimate_samurai: try #virtualbox @ or ask your question
20:23<mk_>the_ultimate_samurai: yeah
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20:24<mk_>the_ultimate_samurai: i'm in lag, but i'll try help you
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20:24<ml|>babilen: speaking of vbox-ose never installed right for me; I will try again and file a bug report if needed or learn kvm or keep using puel version ;)
20:24<the_ultimate_samurai>well i have an image from vmware from work and i loaded that as the hdd image in virtual box (the image is windows xp professional) but when i boot it up i get "error loading operating system"
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20:25<ml|>even created the needed group
20:25<the_ultimate_samurai>i booted up the knoppix image on that virtual machine and it worked fine, i checked the disk and all the files were there
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20:25<mk_>the_ultimate_samurai: oh, that's exactly what i don't no nothing about =/
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20:25<mk_>the_ultimate_samurai: maybe #virtubalbox
20:25<mk_>for sure
20:26<the_ultimate_samurai>yeah, ok i'll check them out
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20:27<babilen>the_ultimate_samurai: might provide some ideas
20:27<ml|>just a bit late ;(
20:28<babilen>#virtualbox will know
20:28<ml|>yes, they should
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22:01<kf_>hello everyone
22:01<kf_>yesterday i have downloaded the DVD debian.
22:02<kf_>but when i install it in my computer that can't find my NIC?
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22:02<kf_>and when i try the ifconfig command it tells me that command not found
22:02<kf_>how can i do?
22:03<kf_>who can tell me?
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22:03<babilen>hi kf_
22:03<babilen>do you know what NIC that is?
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22:04<babilen>kf_: It could be that it is not supported in the kernel that comes with lenny.
22:04<babilen>you could try:
22:04<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
22:04<kf_>but now i can't link the internet
22:05<babilen>kf_: Ah, you downloaded the DVD. I take it that the install succeeded?
22:05<kf_>wire and wireless both can't use
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22:06<kf_>i don't understand why the ifconfig command is not found?
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22:06<kf_>who can help me? thank you very much!
22:06<babilen>kf_: Have you finished the installation?
22:06<edhunter>kf_: you are probably running ifconfig as user and /sbin is not in your path. run ifconfig as root
22:07<babilen>ok - try running ifconfig as ... ^^^^
22:07<kf_>i will try now!
22:07<babilen>kf_: Do you use dhcp to acquire an address from your router?
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22:08<kf_>yeah , i find the eth0
22:09<kf_>but how can i find my wireless ?
22:09<babilen>kf_: try 'dhclient3 eth0'
22:09<babilen>kf_: which desktop environment do you use?
22:09<babilen>kf_: are you online now?
22:09<kf_>i am offline
22:09<babilen>kf_: the 'dhclient3 eth0' was unable to acquire an address?
22:10<kf_>becase i can be online only on wireless.
22:10<babilen>ah, good to know
22:10<babilen>ok, 'ifconfig eth0 down'
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22:11<kf_>if i should use root ?
22:11<kf_>how can i use root?
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22:11<babilen>i would need the pciid of your wireless card. you can see that with the command lspci -nn | grep -ie 'network'
22:12<babilen>it is the [2342:cafe] in the end
22:12<babilen>kf_: to become root you have to enter 'su'
22:12<kf_>grep what?
22:12<babilen>kf_: Is this the first time you use Debian?
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22:13<kf_>before use it i use fedora ubuntu
22:13<babilen>welcome. You might want to read a little about Debian .. but later, ok?
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22:13<babilen>lspci -nn | grep -ie 'network'
22:13<kf_>grep -ie what?
22:13<babilen>what is the number in the end?
22:14<kf_>intel corporation pro /wireless 5100 agn
22:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
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22:15<babilen>kf_: ok, you will have to install a newer kernel to get your wifi card to work. Do you any way to connect to the wired network?
22:15<kf_>thank you very much i will try it!
22:16<babilen>kf_: hang on
22:16<kf_>i have too laptop
22:16<kf_>the other can connect to the network
22:16<babilen>but you can't just plug the one with the new Debian install into the wired network?
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22:17<kf_>can i download it then i install it offline?
22:17<kf_>or if i am online ,how can i do?
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22:17<babilen>yes, but this might be a little complicated. is there really no way to connect the computer to the network?
22:18<babilen>If you were online you would;
22:18<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
22:18<babilen>where you will get the new kernel
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22:18<babilen>you would also need to
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22:18<babilen>!iwlagn firmware
22:18<dpkg>Firmware for the Intel WiFi Link series of wireless LAN adapters is packaged in firmware-iwlwifi since version 0.15. Lenny users: ask me about <>, then "aptitude -t lenny-backports install firmware-iwlwifi".
22:18<kf_>i can find a wired network!
22:18<kf_>can you tell me how should i do?
22:18<babilen>should do what exactly?
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22:20<kf_>i should wired work!then what i should do ?
22:20<babilen>sorry, i don't understand what i could help you with now?
22:20<babilen>i just told you
22:20<kf_>aptitude update ?
22:20<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
22:20<babilen>!iwlagn firmware
22:20<dpkg>Firmware for the Intel WiFi Link series of wireless LAN adapters is packaged in firmware-iwlwifi since version 0.15. Lenny users: ask me about <>, then "aptitude -t lenny-backports install firmware-iwlwifi". See also <iwlagn>.
22:20<babilen>kf_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
22:20<kf_>OK! thank you !
22:21<babilen>kf_: good luck
22:21<babilen>come back if you need help ..
22:21<babilen>ah .. one last thing
22:21<kf_>thake you very much.
22:22<babilen>you should edit /etc/network/interfaces to include a line 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' (just add it to the file - as root!)
22:22<babilen>you can then connect to the wired network with 'ifup eth0' and disconnect with 'ifdown eth0'
22:22<babilen>also: what is your native language?
22:23<kf_>ha,sorry,my english is so pool.
22:23<babilen>非常好! 欢迎光临! There is a chinese channel for Debian too ...
22:23<dpkg>it has been said that ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
22:24<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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22:24<babilen>kf_: just /j #debian-zh
22:24<babilen>kf_: but you are welcome to come here and ask too. we will do our best
22:24<kf_>i will try it now !i like here.and my english will better as soon
22:25<babilen>kf_: good luck
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22:25<handheldCar>My postfix seems to be working, but my Drupal isn't sending out e-mails. I've openned my router's port and changed the listening port in case my isp blocks 25.
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22:28<babilen>kf_: 简体字还是繁体字?
22:29<babilen>kf_: <-- read that too!
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22:38<kaziem>anyone running WoW on linux? I can't find installer.exe
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22:39<edhunter>kaziem: i think that can be done via wine. try googling for it..
22:39<cor_r>kaziem, pls dont ask that again :D :D
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22:40<kaziem>I don't ask unless I've googled before
22:40<babilen>kaziem: and don't cross post
22:40<kaziem>I copied the DVD contents to a local folder to install it but I can't find installer.exe, even after remounting the DVD with "unhide" option
22:40<cor_r>kaziem, there are quiet a few manualy at the ubuntu forum u might want to have a lokkt there
22:40<kaziem>yeah I did but to no avail
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22:42<cor_r>kaziem, i just typed it in google and found about a million hits -.-
22:42<cor_r>without the ubuntu tag
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22:43<kaziem>look, I've googled for it the past 2 hours or else I wouldn't ask here, I don't like to waste people time
22:43<kaziem>I do what says on forums/guides
22:44<kaziem>the problem is that only some files appear after remounting the dvd with the unhide option
22:44<kaziem>and the necessary file namely installer.exe doesn't
22:44<edhunter>kaziem: im out.. never run WoW (or any other win game for that matter) under linux. if i remember correctly wine has a channel on freenode. perhaps u can get help there
22:45<kaziem>trying too =)
22:45<kf_>it can't find the firmware-iwlwifi
22:45<cor_r>kaziem, there are other programms as well...and are you sure that theres no setup.exe or anything?
22:45<kaziem>I wouldn't run WoW at all but it's a present =(
22:46<cor_r>kf_ its in contrib repos i think
22:46<kaziem>cor_r, yes the DVD uses UDF and hides half of the disk contents
22:46<edhunter>kf_: you need to enable non-free contrib in your sources.list
22:46<kf_>and where can i find the source?
22:46<edhunter>actually non-free should be enough
22:47<gsimmons>kf_: You were informed previously, read up or ask dpkg about (/msg dpkg bpo).
22:47<edhunter>kf_: u said it. its in /etc/apt/sources.list . open it as root and add what i said to the deb line
22:47<cor_r>kf_ :deb stable main contrib non-free
22:48<kf_>then ? aptitude update?
22:48<babilen>kf_: make that "http://ftp.<cc> lenny main contrib non-free" (replace <cc> with your country code - 'zh' probably)
22:48<cor_r>add the line as root, then apt-get update
22:49<babilen>cor_r: aptitude and stable in sources.list is not a good idea
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22:49<cor_r>babilen, thx forgot about the country code
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22:50<babilen>kf_: add the line i just gave you (replace the country code or just add it in the end of an existing line) and run 'aptitude update'
22:50<gsimmons>Note that kf_ is required to firmware-iwlwifi from lenny-backports, lenny's firmware-iwlwifi (0.14) will not suffice.
22:50<babilen>cor_r: and replace 'stable' with 'lenny' in your sources.list
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22:50<cor_r>babilen, im using unstable, so i was guessing the opposite would be stabe
22:50<jji>i'm new to xubutu
22:50<gsimmons>s/to/to install/
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22:51<babilen>kf_: <-- do that
22:51<cor_r>jji, switch to freenode ,ubuntu channel
22:51<jji>i have question for cd-rom
22:51<jji>i don't know how
22:51<sney>this is not the ubuntu channel
22:51<sney>we cannot answer ubuntu questions
22:52<babilen>cor_r: the problem is that whenever a new stable is released you will upgrade to the new even if you don't want to ...
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22:52<cor_r>we actually could but we wont :d
22:53<cor_r>babilen, yeah forgot about that and the country code, sry about that, was just thinking of my list ;) thx for correction
22:54<sney>cor_r: well ubuntu is always doing new shit so it'd be tough for #debian to keep up with an OS most of us aren't using
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22:54<sney>so we can't support it officially
22:54<sney>even if all of the ubuntu people are noobs and can't either
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22:54<cor_r>sney, well ubuntu claims to be based on debian thats why im saying, but jeah...
22:55<babilen>where is debianone anyway?
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22:56<simonrvn>cor_r: /msg dpkg based on debian
22:58<cor_r>simonrvn ??
22:59<simonrvn>type that here ...
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23:00<cor_r>simonrvn, i know the output , but i dont know why you want me to type it :)
23:00<simonrvn>you need to read it
23:01<sney>he wasn't the one asking for ubuntu support, simonrvn
23:01<cor_r>simoenrvn, again,I know what it says
23:01<simonrvn>i know. "cor_r | sney, well ubuntu claims to be based on debian thats why im saying, but jeah..."
23:02*sney shrug
23:02<sney>I think the guy quit anyway
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23:02<sney>the guy who was asking for ubuntu support
23:02<cor_r>yeah ubuntu claims to be based on debian but we all know it is not
23:02<sney>well it is
23:03<sney>but it split off a long time ago
23:03<cor_r>ubuntu is far away from bein anywhere near debain anymore
23:03<sney>and short of apt and initscripts it doesn't share much in common anymore
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23:04<simonrvn>cor_r: ok, i was unsure you were aware of that or not. forget it ;).
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23:05<cor_r>simonrvn, thx anyway ;) i do kinda hate buntkuh, so yes i am aware. ;)
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23:06<simonrvn>i don't hate it, i just don't use it.
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23:07<cor_r>dislike would be the better word
23:07<sney>I have no beef with ubuntu except for whoever keeps letting the 'xchat/irssi automatically joins new user to #debian' slip past the bug checkers
23:09<cor_r>so true
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23:13<snogglethorpe>any quick pointers on how to disable the Ctl-Alt-Backspace X-killing behavior?
23:13<snogglethorpe>also, anyone know who came up with that idiocy so I can hunt them down and kill them?
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23:14<gsimmons>dpkg: tell snogglethorpe -about dontzap
23:15<cor_r>dpkg: tell cor_R-about dontzap
23:15<snogglethorpe>btw wasn't that supposed to be the default now? (i vaguely recall hearing that...)
23:15<cor_r>dpkg: tell cor_r -about dontzap
23:15<cor_r>!dpkg: tell cor_r -about dontzap
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23:19<babilen>!tell cor_r -about selftell
23:20<babilen>snogglethorpe: not on lenny
23:20<edhunter>babilen: is there some page mentioning what dpkg "understands"?
23:21<cor_r>well another thx babilen
23:21<snogglethorpe>edhunter: you can open up a private channel with dpkg, and say "help" there
23:21<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
23:21<edhunter>thx snogglethorpe babilen
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23:24<kf__>i have installd the firmware-iwlwifi
23:24<kf__>i f i need to reboot?
23:24<babilen>kf__: from backports?
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23:25<kf__>and then ?
23:25<babilen>type as root 'modprobe iwl5100'
23:25<gsimmons>No, the module's name is iwlagn.
23:26<kf__>not found
23:26<gsimmons>kf__: Restart your system and boot to the 2.6.30 kernel.
23:26<babilen>kf__: have you installed the new kernel?
23:26<kf__>i am just updating my system.
23:27<kf__>but is so slow
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23:28<kf__>it is downloading the 2.6.26-amd64
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23:30<babilen>kf__: you would actually want to install a newer kernel than 2.6.26 (you want 2.6.32 from backports) - install that with 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64'
23:31<babilen>kf__: but upgrading your system is great too :-)
23:35<kf__>if it is possible?
23:36<kf__>if it is possible to suit my wireless ?
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23:36<babilen>no, you have to install the kernel from backports
23:36<babilen>i gave you the command to do so
23:36<kf__>but not found
23:37<babilen>kf__: do you have backports in your sources.list? could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' to please
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23:38<kf__>you gave me just now?
23:39<kf__>i am sorry ,if your means is i should copy apt-cache policy to source.list?
23:40<kf__>no it is apt-cache's output?
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23:43<babilen>read what i said or ask in #debian-zh if you don't understand.
23:46<babilen>one last time ...
23:46<babilen>kf__: <-- follow these instructions
23:46<babilen>kf__: aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64
23:46<babilen>kf__: reboot into the new kernel
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