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00:05<RajM>hi i need help.
00:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:06<RajM>i downloaded Small CDs -i386 and burn the iso to CD when i try to boot it works when i try to install it says fail to read Cd ?
00:06<RajM>i am trying to install in foll HD
00:07<RajM>Anyone help me ?
00:08<RajM>anyone ?
00:08<ml|>check the iso amd/or the cd you burned for errors
00:08<RajM>how to do that ?
00:09<ml|>dpkg: check iso
00:09<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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00:09<RajM>can i do that in windows ?
00:10<RajM>how to verify in winodws ?
00:10<RajM>i do have valid iso burnt cd.
00:12<linucks>RajM: Once you have burnt a debian CD you can use the md5sum program to check it has the correct MD5 sum so as that you can ensure it is okay to install.
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00:13<linucks>RajM: This page details it here
00:13<RajM>so i need to again download the new iso ?
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00:13<ml|>verify the downloaded iso before burning too
00:13<linucks>RajM: No you will be able to check the .ISO for the correct MD5 sum.
00:14<ml|>windows has programs that do that, google is your friend for this
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00:15<linucks>RajM: "An md5sum program for Windows systems is available as part of the Cygwin suite (install the "coreutils" package), or you may be able to find standalone binaries compiled for MinGW."
00:19<ml|>RajM: so first verify the iso you downloaded and if that is ok then verify the cd your burned and if that is fine then it's something else
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00:19<RajM>ook i beter download in my ubuntu system and check it and delete ubuntu. i like to migerate to debian.
00:20<ml|>dpkg: install guide
00:20<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
00:20<RajM>thank you
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00:23<RajM>once i install.. can i create my one debian destribution ?
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00:24<sney>what, like ubuntu? that's pretty high level stuff, it's not easy
00:24<sney>but yes once you have apt and the dpkg tools and a basic understanding of init and /dev it is technically possible to make your own debian-based OS
00:24<sney>we won't help you, though.
00:25<sney>just use debian, it's really good
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00:31<RajM>what is the command to test the iso file ?
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00:34<jmarsden>!tell RajM about check iso
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00:35<bob_>Hi, is there a way to install debian without a monitor?
00:35<jmarsden>bob_: Sure, use a serial console
00:36<RajM>how can i verify before burinig the iso file ?
00:36<RajM>what should be the number ?
00:36<bob_>jmarsden: thanks :)
00:36<jmarsden>RajM: Do what dpkg told you when I asked him to...
00:37<jmarsden>RajM: The md5sum value should be in a small file in the same directory where you got the ISO from. MD5SUMS is a common name for it.
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00:42<ml|>RajM: you can just do md5sum file.iso and compare or place the md5 of the iso in a text file in the same dir as file.iso and do md5sum -c md5sum.txt
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00:43<ml|>format of the md5sum.txt is ... md5 full-name.iso
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01:26<Yury>Hi Gurus!
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01:27<Yury>Can somebody tell me, where can i find find licence for fonts of debian
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01:30<Nemoder>Yury: maybe in /usr/share/doc/xfonts* ?
01:31<Yury>Thank for answer, i look there
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01:36<goodger>I observe that Debian packages badram as a kernel patch; does it also ship a badram-enabled kernel?
01:36<goodger>I was previously working on the basis that it did, but if it doesn't, this would explain a lot
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01:39<chealer>goodger: no
01:39<gsimmons>goodger: See also Debian bug #396522 for the reasons.
01:39<goodger>I am certain that if I attempt to compile a kernel on this machine it will panic before it's finished linking; is there any way around it?
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01:41<Nemoder>can't compile it on another machine?
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01:42<goodger>I don't have another machine available for the next couple of weeks...
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01:48<goodger>I shall give memmap a go...
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02:03<jmarsden>goodger: If the bad RAM is at a high enough address, you could try limiting the RAM the kernel knows about to only that below the bad chunk. Kernel parameter mem=256M or whatever.
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02:16<Gelber>alguien habla español?
02:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:17<Gelber>bye bye
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02:19<Gelber>I have problems with 5.0.3 debian repositories, someone can help me
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02:20<Gelber>I have problems with 5.0.3 debian repositories, someone can help me
02:20<jmarsden>Gelber: Only if you say what the problems are ... !
02:23<jmarsden>Gelber: Stay in the channel, no need to PM. That way others can help too.
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02:25<jmarsden>Gelber: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and tell the channel its URL. Then we can all see it and try to help you.
02:25<Gelber>ok one moment
02:26<Gelber>jmarsden ok one moment
02:27<Gelber>jmarsden my source.list ->
02:28<Gelber>okay like that?
02:28<Gelber>thanks for help
02:29<jmarsden>Yes, that's useful. Now can you pastebin the command you type to update your apt database and the output it gives, including the 403 error you are seeing?
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02:30<jmarsden>Gelber: Um... you have both lenny and testing repositories enabled... this is not a good thing unless you are an expert and doing pinning...
02:30<jmarsden>Oh, and you have sid too... why??
02:30<jmarsden>Which version of Debian are you actually running? :)
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02:32<Gelber>one moment
02:33<dr|z3d>uname -a
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02:35<jmarsden>He went away?
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02:36<jmarsden>OK... I'm going to sleep, if he doesn't reappear soon...
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02:37<gelbermoran>hi jmarsden
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02:37<jmarsden>OK... what does uname -a output on your Debian system?
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02:38<gelbermoran>the machine is blocked but I have re-entered again hello
02:39<gelbermoran>debian 5.0.3
02:39<jmarsden>gelbermoran: OK, that is Lenny. So remove the testing and sid lines from your /etc/apt/sources.list file and try again.
02:39<gelbermoran>OK... what does uname -a output on your Debian system?
02:39<gelbermoran>one moment
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02:41<gelbermoran>I still have errors even
02:42<jmarsden>gelbermoran: Why does it seem to take you a long time to type one short command and then cut and paste one line of output from it into your IRC client? Is there some other problem you have not told us about?
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02:43<gelbermoran>I do not speak English very well
02:44<jmarsden>OK. You may do better in #debian-es. You have not told us what uname -a outputs on your system... It does not output "debian 5.0.3".
02:44<gelbermoran>is that, pardon, but before I check what I write
02:44<jmarsden>gelbermoran: OK, so what does uname -a *really* output on your system?
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02:45<gelbermoran>Linux uvirtual 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
02:46<jmarsden>OK. Are you still seeing the same 403 error as before?
02:46<gelbermoran>this is the answer with uname-a
02:46*dr|z3d applauds jmarsden's patience.
02:47<jmarsden>OK. Can you please pastebin the command you type (apt-get update, probably) and the output it generates, including that error?
02:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
02:49<gelbermoran>pastebin > Errors
02:49<gelbermoran> * Sorry, your post tripped our spam/abuse filter - let us know if you think this could be improved
02:50<jm_>try another pastebin
02:50<gelbermoran>because this error
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02:50<gelbermoran>ok one moment
02:50<jmarsden>gelbermoran: Use a different pastebin site.
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02:51<gelbermoran>one moment
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02:52<i_is_broke>does debian use ipv6 as a standard or does it come with a firewall on initial install?
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02:53<jm_>proxy error?
02:53<jmarsden>gelbermoran: OK... you have many extra lines in your sources.list that you did not pastebin earlier, or else there are files in /etc/sources.list.d/ that should not be there
02:54<jmarsden>jm_: Could be... I suppose. Odd one though.
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02:54<gelbermoran>one moment
02:54<jmarsden>gelbermoran: Is your Internet access using some kind of HTTP proxy between your machine and the Internet?
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02:56<gelbermoran>I have this error on 3 different servers that are in 3 different networks
02:56<gelbermoran>be my isp
02:57<jm_>maybe check some sites that shows http headers (phpinfo() shall work)
02:57<jmarsden>gelbermoran: Why are you using a Debian mirror in Finland when you are in Colombia ?
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02:57<jmarsden>That's not exactly close to you :)
02:58<gelbermoran>because we all fail me, I have tried many, I thought that was the servant of the repositories, so problems with one from another country
02:59<jmarsden>OK. What does ls /etc/apt/sources/list.d/ output? if many lines, use pastebin.
03:00<jmarsden>ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
03:00<gelbermoran>which I recommend you that I have in my sources.list
03:01<jmarsden>gelbermoran: Well, there is no, so use a nearby country -- perhaps?
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03:02<jmarsden>gelbermoran: OK, good. No files there.
03:03<jmarsden>Then it must be some sort of proxy issue, or else the sources.list file you have is a LOT longer than what you posted earlier.
03:03<jmarsden>gelbermoran: What does wc -l /etc/apt/sources.list output?
03:04<gelbermoran>has nothing more, I think it may be the Internet isp because I spend the last 2 weeks in all the servers out by the same company isp
03:06<gelbermoran>19 /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:06<jmarsden>OK. Then there isn't much we can do to help from here. You might be able to set up an SSH tunnel or VPN connection to a server outside your country to overcome the problem, but that is hard work and I need to sleep ( it is midnight here) ...
03:07<gelbermoran>thank you very much for your help
03:08<jmarsden>You're welcome. And goodnight.
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03:08<gelbermoran>maybe another time you can give me a hand?
03:09<jmarsden>Ask the channel; if I am here and have time, I might help again. But always ask the channel, not one specific person.
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03:09<jmarsden>You're welcome.
03:11<jm_>did you try some phpinfo site?
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03:12<gelbermoran>jm_ : specific need on phpinfo?
03:13<jm_>gelbermoran: say
03:14<jm_>gelbermoran: even better,
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03:16<gelbermoran>two very great tools
03:17<gelbermoran>they are working with them? or need?
03:17<gelbermoran>jm_ they are working with them? or need?
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03:18<jm_>gelbermoran: does it show any Via header or something similar?
03:20<gelbermoran>who me? not for nothing, I have a portable computed with windows and linux ubuntu, right now I'm in ubuntu
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03:20<gelbermoran>irc login above by windows as normal but Windows hangs
03:21<gelbermoran>after that I switch to ubuntu linux
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03:22<jm_>no when you visit that show http headers page in your browser, does it show such headers?
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03:23<goodger>in other news, using the "mem" kernel option seems to have fixed my system entirely
03:23<goodger>looks like the SODIMM in slot 1 is faulty
03:23<jmm>from one of my coworkier on phone "just do SELECT * from DEATH" .roflol .
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03:25<Vyth>Hola, am trying to install the Nvidia drivers on Squeeze, not having any luck finding the 2.6.30-2 kernel modules for them though.
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03:26<jm_>so build your own nvidia kernel module package
03:26<gelbermoran>jim_ good I leave you, thank you very much for everything, until then, good night I will try to get some sleep
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03:26<Vyth>jm, you make it sound so simple.
03:26<jm_>good night (it's jm_, not jim_)
03:26<jm_>Vyth: it is simple
03:27<Vyth>Well I certainly don't know how to do that. :)
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03:27<goodger>Vyth: it looks like for whatever reason an updated nvidia module has not yet made it into squeeze, but as jm_ says it is remarkably easy to produce one yourself
03:27<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
03:27<jm_>check the Wiki
03:27<gelbermoran>jm_ Good Excuse
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03:27<gelbermoran>bye bye
03:28<jm_>ok you'll need to get nvidia driver packages from sid, testing version doesn't work with 2.6.30
03:28<Vyth>I thought that might be the case
03:29<jm_>grab nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source to start with
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03:31<jm_>install them and build kernel module: m-a a-i nvidia
03:31<jm_>come back when that's done
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03:39<Vyth>ok jm
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03:42<goodger>gelbermoran: /quit
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03:42<goodger>there you go~
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03:46<Vyth>Ready when you are jm :) thanks for the help btw.
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03:46<jm_>Vyth: so you have nvidia kernel module .deb? install it, and finally install nvidia-glx from sid
03:47<jm_>should be in /usr/src btw
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03:49<Vyth>will give that a go
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03:55<jm_>I sense problems
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03:56<Vyth>I can't seem to find the nvidia-glx package
03:57<jm_>remember, you need to get it from sid -- - this page has a download link
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03:58<jm_>it's in non-free, maybe that's an issue
03:58<Vyth>I was looking there xD went right over it :) thanks
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03:59<Vyth>Ok, seems to be installed.
04:00<Vyth>might you know the command to modprobe to make sure it's right?
04:00<jm_>the command is in your question - modprobe
04:00<jm_>module name is nvidia
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04:01<Vyth>I didn't know WHAT to modprobe, only that it could be done :)
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04:01<jm_>smart questions problem ;)
04:02<Vyth>olympus:/home/apollo# modprobe nvidia
04:02<Vyth>WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc, it will be ignored in a future release.
04:02<jm_>you can ignore that for now
04:02<Vyth>that was that. -.-
04:02<Vyth>ok ignored
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04:28<Im_n00b>can anyone tell me where's the "graphical install" on the daily builds of the debian installer?
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04:30<goodger>Im_n00b: you should be able to select it from the list when you boot to the disc
04:31<goodger>however, it is not available on some installation methods (possibly including the network installer image, I cannot comment)
04:31<leoventura90>when I try to open my gnome-terminal a get the error "Failed to fork a new proccess" and when I try to use aptitude I get the error " Can not write log, opentty() failed, (/dev/pts not mounted?)". What can I do?
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04:34<Im_n00b>goodger: so, how can I install squeeze with gui?
04:35<goodger>Im_n00b: it installs with the GUI by default, assuming you choose "desktop environment" when prompted; in this case, the installer has no effect on what you end up with
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04:36<goodger>if you want to use the graphical installer specifically, you may need to download a DVD of Lenny and then upgrade; but again, I cannot be sure
04:37<Im_n00b>hmm.. ok
04:37<kenyon>leoventura90: is your disk full or a partition is not mounted that should be?
04:37<goodger>the last I heard, the non-graphical installer was precisely identical to the graphical one, but with a slightly uglier font and no mouse support
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04:39<leoventura90>kenyon the disc is normal, I think it is some error in udev. According to google I'm not the first that get it.
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04:45<leoventura90>please, if someone find the solution mail
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06:53<mercutio22>suddenly I can't run java applets in iceweasel
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06:54<mercutio22>what was that update-java alternatives command exaclty?
06:54<jm_>!java alternatives
06:54<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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06:55<mercutio22>update-java-alternatives: command not found weird
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06:58<themill>it's in /usr/sbin which might not be in your PATH; or you don't have java-common installed (which you should if you installed a java runtime from debian)
06:58<jm_>which would explain why it doesn't work in iceweasel too
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07:00<kootoomootoo>I have a little problem
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07:01<mercutio22>update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-su
07:01<mercutio22>the packages *are* installed
07:01<kootoomootoo>i have a list in text file, words, each on a line
07:01<kootoomootoo>and a want to delete special characters from entire list
07:02<kootoomootoo>I tried to use sed
07:02<pipe>Define "special characters"
07:02<Lulu_Female># semarang
07:03<ed_away>Lulu_Female: /j #semarang
07:03<SubZero>Quick Q: Is there ANY advantage for me to install 64bit debian insted of 32bit? im using apache/bind/ssh/mysql
07:03<mercutio22>kootoomootoo: onde a guy named marcellus from #latex on freenode wrote a short python script that did that to a text I had. He is always there.
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07:04<jm_>kootoomootoo: like s/[^a-zA-Z0-9]//g ?
07:04<ed_away>kootoomootoo: sed should be able to do it, i did something similar with it
07:04<kootoomootoo>but the language use some romanian letters
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07:05<pipe>perl -pe 's/\W//' might work
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07:05<pipe>perl -pe 's/\W//g', sorry
07:06<kootoomootoo>the apostrof just tell on wich letter should be accent in pronounc
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07:06<kootoomootoo>I try that scipt
07:07<perk>so you would invoke it with perl -pei.bak 's/\W//g' somefile ?
07:08<pipe>perl -i.bak -pe 's/\W//g' somefile
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07:09<pipe>the code has to be next to -e
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07:09<pipe>But I usually use it as a filter on stdin/out
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07:11<pipe>And \W may or may not work depending on your locale settings and the file encodings..
07:11*pipe can't wait for the future, when everything will be in UTF-8!
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07:12<kootoomootoo>don't work
07:12<pipe>Try adding -C on the commandline as well
07:13<pipe>If that doesn't work, try asking someone else than me ;)
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07:15<kootoomootoo>my local setting are standard
07:15<kootoomootoo>and file encodings too
07:16<kootoomootoo>I have imported a file from ntfs
07:17<kootoomootoo>I used gawk to eliminate two columns
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07:18<kootoomootoo>i have now one column with 1375 lines
07:18<kootoomootoo>a dictionary
07:19<kootoomootoo>but I can not remove qoutes
07:19<kootoomootoo>from list
07:19<kootoomootoo>(I don't know to remove qoutes)
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07:20<kootoomootoo>I read that sed could do it
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07:24<kootoomootoo>perk, your script insert some 000 simbols
07:24<pipe>Likely the NTFS file is in a crazy encoding
07:24<kootoomootoo>delete qoute but insert this signs
07:24<pipe>UTF-16 I bet
07:25<pipe>sed doesn't know this, ad since te utf-16 for <128 chars (like ") looks like a normal " if you do it wrong, sed removes it and keeps the first byte
07:25<pipe>You need to convert the file to a sane encoding
07:25<kootoomootoo>but my file was otainig with gawk
07:26<kootoomootoo>the result file or the source file?
07:27<pipe>I'd change the source file
07:27<pipe>with some character encoding conversion tool, can't remember the name
07:27<pipe>iconv maybe
07:27<kootoomootoo>how supose to do it
07:27<perk>man iconv
07:27<pipe>You move your finger to the keyboard
07:27<pipe>Search for the key that looks like an "m"
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07:29<perk>my keyboard does not have anything printed on it. i use a latex-overlay, i only use the overlay because the keyboard becomes so much quiter. the overlay is qwerty and i don't use that anyway.
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07:29<pipe>perk: But you're also not asking to be spoon-fed
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07:30<perk>that would be sweat though!
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07:39<kootoomootoo>now how do I determine the encoding of a file?
07:40<jm_>there are tools that try to guess it
07:40<jm_>but hey why not check the tool that wrote it?
07:40<kootoomootoo>gawk wrote
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07:40<kootoomootoo>and one was imported from ntfs
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07:41<jm_>probably using another file as input
07:41<perk>kootoomootoo, check what gawk emits or if you force it to emit what you want
07:41<jm_>right, you need to check the tool that feeds data to awk
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07:42<kootoomootoo>gedit could not open the file
07:42<kootoomootoo>just office writer
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07:42<kootoomootoo>in unicode
07:43<bremner>emacs should do it
07:43<kootoomootoo>but gedit could open the file from ntfs
07:44<kootoomootoo>perk:how to check
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07:45<kootoomootoo>or how to force gawk or sed to emit unicode format
07:46<kootoomootoo>without tha oooo signs
07:46<perk>kootoomootoo, by converting the original files to a sane encoding
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07:47<kootoomootoo>to convert original file I should know what format is original file and I don't know how to determine this
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07:49<kootoomootoo>I don't know what encoding gawk emit
07:50<kootoomootoo>i don't know to find out
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08:05<kootoomootoo>I find out!
08:05<kootoomootoo>was so simple
08:05<kootoomootoo>"file -i somefile"
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08:09<kootoomootoo>perk: original file is utf-16, gedit could open with display/run/option on start
08:09<kootoomootoo>gawk output file is utf-16 ,gedit could not open this file
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08:09<kootoomootoo>sed output file is octet-stream
08:10<bremner>octet-stream is not an encoding
08:10<lenin>how can i see list of installed packeges on ubuntu (analog rpm -qa for rpm system)
08:10<dr|z3d>lenin: Wrong channel.
08:10<bremner>!tell lenin -about ubuntu
08:10<dr|z3d>This is Debian..
08:10<themill>lenin: dpkg --get-selections ; but you want #ubuntu on
08:10<kootoomootoo>dict1.txt: application/octet-stream
08:11<dr|z3d>themill: Careful with that careless advice to an Ubuntu user here.. abrotman might just kneecap you.
08:11*dr|z3d winks.
08:11<dr|z3d>Ah, you're ok. He's not here.
08:11*dr|z3d chuckles.
08:12<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
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08:14*dpkg judo chops locklace
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08:19<crazyb0y>hello there
08:20<crazyb0y>can someone please tell me, why i don't have media/v4l2-ioctl.h in linux kernel headers
08:20<crazyb0y>2.6.26-2-686 is the kernel and the headers
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08:27<gsimmons>crazyb0y: That was not included until 2.6.27 IIRC (its content was moved from videodev2.h).
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08:28<crazyb0y>gsimmons: i have to use videodev2.h instead of v4l2-ioctl.h ?
08:29<gsimmons>What are you trying to do?
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08:29<crazyb0y>gsimmons: installing techwell tw68 drivers
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08:30<crazyb0y>and it includes this header file
08:30<crazyb0y>i can't compile the drivers, because i don't have v4l2-ioctl.h
08:31<jm_>why not upgrade the kernel?
08:31<crazyb0y>jm_: i'm using the default 5.0.3 kernel
08:31<crazyb0y>it's 2.6.26-2
08:32<jm_>crazyb0y: I was gonna say use the one from backports but I think some peopel said there is no headers package for it, maybe check on that
08:33<crazyb0y>jm_: thanks i will try i have no different way
08:33<crazyb0y>let me see, thanks a lot
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08:35<crazyb0y>jm_: linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 there are headers for this kernel
08:35<crazyb0y>thanks a lot!!!
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08:37<jm_>crazyb0y: ahh good
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08:38<crazyb0y>jm_: since 10:00am, it's now 3:57pm i'm trying to install these drivers for video cctv
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08:41<crazyb0y>jm_: it works, god bless ya =))
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08:49<kpoorman>Is it possible to get the source files for a package, and use them (the dsc etc.) to build a package that is newer than the one in the repo? ie php5.2.12 even though 5.2.5-5 is the latest debian package?
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08:53<bremner>possible yes. easy, no.
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08:53<bremner>kpoorman: you basically have to understand how to make debian packages
08:54<jm_>!tell kpoorman -about ssb
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08:58<kpoorman>bremner: debian packages I've got down.
08:59<kpoorman>i just wasn't sure if backports existed for lenny
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09:01<kieran>anyone need help
09:01<Titan8990>i would say that is pretty easy
09:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
09:02<Titan8990>kpoorman, its the -b option of apt-get source to build the deb package from the source package
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09:13<kpoorman>Titan8990: yeah, what i'm basically looking for is a version of php 5.2.12 for lenny
09:13<kpoorman>which doesn't appear to be backported
09:13<Titan8990>judd, versions php5
09:13<judd>Titan8990: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 5.3.0-3 experimental: 5.3.1-1 experimental: 5.3.1-2
09:14<jm_>interesting, rmadison tells me sid has 5.2.12
09:14<kpoorman>I was wondering if i could snag the src for 5.2.11-dfsg.1 and upgrade the upstream source and use the deb tools to build it
09:14<jm_>you don't need upstream source, you get sosurce packages from debian
09:14<Titan8990>kpoorman, you can use the ssb method i posted
09:14<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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09:21<kpoorman>Titan8990: what does ssd stand for?
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09:23<Titan8990>kpoorman, solid state disk
09:23<Titan8990>kpoorman, but assume you mean ssb, simple sid backport
09:23<fred1>whats the simplest way, to take two mpeg4 files, autoconvert them as needed, and burn a simple dvd with no menus (just plays one video then the other)
09:24<kpoorman>Titan8990: where sid is just an example distro? i could do a simple lenny backport ?
09:24<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
09:24<Titan8990>kpoorman, there no point of packport from lenny... unless you are using etch i guess
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09:24<Titan8990>err backport
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09:24<kpoorman>ah, for some reason i thought sid was wicked old.
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09:24<fred1>ive tried a number of 'dvd producer' apps. they all seem to be either overcomplicated, or they convert the video but the a/v sync is way off, or they just dont work
09:24<Titan8990>sid is never released
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09:25<pipe>"because sid users should be able to solve their own problems
09:26<pipe>A bit evil because you can't magically learn unless you sometimes ask for advice :P
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09:26<pipe>And it's not like you can *demand* support for debian stable either
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09:27<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
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09:28<INV4D5R>hi all
09:28<pipe>ciao a tutti
09:28<fred1>pipe, there is also 'knowing how to ask intelligent questions'
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09:29<pipe>fred1: which has nothing to do with running sid or any other version
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09:29<fred1>If someone comes in, and from their questions is clearly an utter neophyte, and is trying to do something complex with unstable, its pretty much certain they will be told that they should be running whateer the current stable is, and not sid
09:29<pipe>of course
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09:30<Titan8990>many people expect sid to be a supported desktop platform and that just isn't the case... its there for testing
09:31<INV4D5R>eu tou people looking for a hacker to MSN
09:31<INV4D5R>people i am looking for a hacker to MSN
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09:31<pipe>INV4D5R: ok
09:31<perk>INV4D5R, you've got a bunch of hackers here on irc, no need to use propietary protocols for your communication
09:31<pipe>INV4D5R: tell us if you find any
09:32<fred1>i suspect he wants someone to 'hack' (eg crack) something on MSN
09:33<pipe>Amazing that someone joins #debian for that :0
09:33<pipe>:) even
09:33<perk>i interpreted MSN as a verb "to MSN someone"
09:33<perk>otherwise it is really hard to parse
09:34<pipe>could be anything
09:34<INV4D5R>looks but the fact is that I'm president of a hacker for msn purposes
09:34<fred1>also possible is that he's not a native english speaker, and cant explain what he wants
09:34<fred1>'president of a hacker ?!
09:34<pipe>fred1: that is obvious I think :)
09:34<amphi>!confuse INV4D5R
09:34<dpkg>Yes, what are your pants tomorrow, INV4D5R? Wellies of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies.
09:34<noflash>geezus ;))
09:34<fred1>!beer amphi
09:34<Titan8990>he is Brazilian
09:34*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for amphi
09:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:34<Titan8990>and asking about potentially illegal things with his IP showing
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09:35<pipe>let him be judged by a jury of his peers
09:35<fred1>INV4D5R, if you are looking to break into something, crack a system, or help doing that, then go away. we dont do that here
09:35<noflash>but he's the president hacker...
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09:35<pipe>He's going to hack Obama's MSN account
09:35<perk>you are all to eager to judge
09:35<INV4D5R>!confuse INV4D5R
09:35<amphi>not at all - burn the witch!
09:35<dpkg>Yes, those was their gouda yesterday, INV4D5R? Pants of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies.
09:35<INV4D5R><dpkg> Yes, what are your pants tomorrow, INV4D5R? Wellies of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies
09:36<perk>pidgin is a hack that can talk MSN
09:36<fred1>I'd almost support that.. but even assuming that Nobama uses MSN, I'm not sure what purpose 'hacking' his account would serve
09:36<INV4D5R>man I'm 13 and use ubuntu 8.4
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09:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:36<INV4D5R>I face 13 years and use ubuntu 8.4
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09:37<fred1>thats nice. this is #debian not #ubuntu
09:37<perk>face? like in jail time?
09:37<@Ganneff>perk: how else do you want to see ubuntu?
09:37<INV4D5R>me and it's fun and clever
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09:37<perk>Ganneff, paying me money perhaps?
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09:39<fred1>so.. what does anyone use to convert video for dvd, and then to author to dvd for play in standard dvd player?
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09:40<petemc>fred1: you use mencoder or ffmpeg to transcode the video then there are a few front ends to creating the dvd
09:40<pipe>no you don't
09:40<fred1>petemc, yeah, see above
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09:40<pipe>the front ends do that
09:40<petemc>not reliably
09:40<fred1>never heard of kino
09:40*fred1 googles
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09:41<pipe>more reliably than doing it yourself without knowing about DVD mpeg limits and buffer sizes and gop etc etc
09:41<petemc>well, that depends if you assume everyone is an idiot or not
09:41<petemc>i dont
09:42<pipe>There's quite a difference between being an idiot and being someone that knows everything about hardware video standards
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09:42<amphi>fred1: dvdauthor might be of use
09:42<fred1>well.. i dont think im an idiot (but who knows?) but I would prefer something fairly automatic.. just "makedvd file1.mpg file2.avi" etc
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09:43<fred1>i have made dvd's, using a variety of means.. but everything has either been a royal pia and/or not worked very well
09:43<petemc>you dont need to know everything about video standards to make a dvd, but whatever
09:43<fred1>conversions with completely lost a/v sync, or dvd structure that std dvd players choke on..
09:43<pipe>fred1: I've used "mandvd", but it's not very convenient I guess, dunno
09:44<fred1>looking at kino atm.. i'll check that out too.. ty
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09:49<fred1>ok.. kino is just a convertor editor, not a dvd authoring tool?
09:49<fred1>or am I missing something
09:50<fred1>i cant seem to find the home site for mandvd
09:50<pipe>i'll chclk
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09:51<fred1>ok.. i think ive got it.
09:51<fred1>doesnt have its own site, its part of kde, apparently
09:51<pipe>Some weird link
09:51<fred1>also no .deb
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09:51<fred1>hrm.. looks like dmm has it
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09:52<fred1>disable that becuase some packages from there broke vlc.. sigh
09:52<pipe>Anyway, don't modern (that is, chinese) dvd players play plain xvid avis if you just put them on a disc?
09:52<fred1>some play different formats
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09:52<pipe>I've never owned one
09:52<fred1> i need something that is official dvd that will play on any dvd player
09:53<fred1>is there a way. to tell apt, to never allow an app from any repo that isnt debian official, to override the ones from the official repos?
09:53<fred1>eg, only _add_ packages that arent in the debian repo, NOT replace/override them
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09:57<fred1>mandvd wants to pull in dmm versions of things live libavcodec, etc.. i wish there was a way to say NO leave those alone, dont upgrade anything, only install not already installed packages
09:57<fred1>other than having to individually go and lock the version of each
09:57<zobel><>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for
09:57<zobel>err EWIN
09:58<zobel>wrong window
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10:08<fred1>ok, kino is in lenny repo, but it wants mjpegtools, which seems to be missing from lenny repo
10:09<dr|z3d>!versions mjpegtools
10:09<petemc>kino is a dv editor
10:09<dr|z3d>Always forget how to elicit that info. :/
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10:10<fred1>yes, it may be.. but it has 'export to mpeg', and for that it says it needs mjpegtools
10:11<fred1>ok dmm has mjpegtools, and installing it doesnt pull in a bunch of other crap.. i can live with that
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10:15<ml|>judd: versions mjpegtools
10:15<judd>ml|: mjpegtools -- etch-multimedia: 1:1.8.0-0.4 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.8.0-0.9 sid-multimedia: 1:1.9.0-0.6 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.9.0-0.6
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10:16<ml|>dr|z3d: ^
10:16<dr|z3d>ml|: Ah, thanks. That's the one! :)
10:17<ml|>np, I forget some others sometimes too
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10:19<fred1>is that referring to debian-multimedia? or is there an official 'multimedia' part of lenny that im missing the apt setup for?
10:19<ml|>tho, judd is not always accurate; but it's a good guide at the very least
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10:21<ml|>to dmm
10:21<xente>hello....I don't know much about windows machines but isn't ldap used to do domain authentication?
10:22<fred1>windows uses its own proprietary stuff
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10:22<xente>fred1: right but can't you put a linux box on a windows domain?
10:22<adb>ml|, hello , ;)
10:22<themill>ml|: whaddyamean judd isn't always accurate!
10:22<fred1>what do you mean 'on' a windows domain?
10:22<xente>so, when you log on, it queries the domain and loads your user information
10:22<ml|>themill: you know what I mean
10:23<ml|>adb: heh, hello
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10:23<fred1>what 'user information' ?
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10:23<fred1>credentials for what?
10:23<xente>directory, i guess that would be profiles
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10:24<fred1>and automount your desktop, and your IE favorites? and autoinstall outlook for you?
10:24<fred1>yeah, outlook for linux.. im sure they'll get right on that
10:24<xente>in a sense, yes
10:24<xente>how do you have the same login information across a linux network?
10:24<fred1>you can plug a linux box into an ethernet network. you can then access resources/networks that you have clients for
10:24<xente>I don't know a thing about networking
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10:24<fred1>i sorta guessed that
10:25<petemc>xente: you can use samba to do windows network stuff
10:25<fred1>networking doesnt inherently require any sort of 'login' information
10:25<xente>petemc: thanks..I've used that before and it's quite helpful
10:25<fred1>now, if you want to access a windows 'fileshare' that requires authentication, then you'd need to provide that authentication.
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10:26<xente>fred1: ok...that's what I am talking about. I don't have the correct parlance. how is that done?
10:27<petemc>xente: google for samba active directory
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10:27<xente>petemc: great! that's what I am looking for
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10:29<NSuldaz>greetings... I'm trying to patch my acpi-cpufreq module, but hanging up on some of the instructions. Here's my last command and the output it generated.
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10:33<NSuldaz>I decided to try typing one of the filenames it showed me. Seems to have worked. I patched the acpi-cpufreq.c file, not the one ending in .orig ... this sound about right?
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10:34<bighornram>I'm having an ongoing problem encrypting files in my squeeze install. After I am prompted for recipients to checkmark seahorse crashes. I'm able to encrypt in gedit and able to encrypt from Icedove for emails with enigmail. I think maybe this is a configuration problem have not been able to resolve. Any suggestions where to look for answers to this? I've recently used an Ubuntu machine with the same version of seahorse and it works fine so maybe
10:34<bighornram> not a bug in seahorse????
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10:45<kootoomootoo>how do I convert words upper to lower-case in a file with accented characters utf-8?
10:46<kootoomootoo>with tr accented characters remain untouched
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10:47<Flakk>Hello people. Some time ago I have installed the new stable
10:47<Flakk>debian version (lenny). All works more or less fine, but there is a
10:47<Flakk>strange detail concerning the xorg.conf. In the sections
10:47<Flakk>Device, Monitor, there is no mention about drivers
10:47<Flakk>or particular monitor, and now I remember that the installer
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10:48<Slydder>anyone here running KVM and LIDS?
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10:49<kop>!tell Flakk about enter
10:49<cahoot>kootoomootoo: using vim:
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10:50<Flakk>Hello people. Some time ago I have installed the new stable debian version (lenny). All works more or less fine, but there is a strange detail concerning the xorg.conf. In the sections Device, Monitor, there is no mention about drivers or particular monitor, and now I remember that the installer did not ask me about these things. The section "screen" contains no indecations for the resolution or frequencies. When I did dpkg-reconf
10:50<Flakk>igure, it proposed to configure only the keyboard. I guess something goes wrong, how should I repair this? I have a particular reason for all this fuss: my monitor ( CRT ) does not want to work with its maximal resolution any more, and stuck to much lower one (I suspect this is due to the fact that xserver does not know which driver to load). Any help?
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10:51<jelly>kootoomootoo: GNU tr should behave sensibly, at least its manual suggests so: info tr Translating
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10:52<kootoomootoo>thanks both
10:52<kootoomootoo>I will try
10:52<jelly>kootoomootoo: however, I can't make it do its thing using tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' with my locale (hr_HR.UTF-8)
10:54<kop>Flakk: IIRC something like "X -configure" is now the way to do it. The reconfiguration is in X itself. You can also hand-code a config file if that's necessary. You may not have the driver installed. "aptitude search video" to see what drivers are installed/available.
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10:56<Flakk>kop: so you say this is normal that my xorg.conf does not mention explicitly the drivers or resolutions?
10:57<kop>Flakk: I think so. I'm not the expert.
10:57<kop>Flakk: Check what's installed.
10:58<Flakk>do you say that "aptitude search video" will tell me what drivers are installed on my machine?
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10:59<kop>Flakk: It'll do a general search. All the xorg drivers have "video" in the package name so you'll see all those and a code (i, or not) indicating whether each package is installed.
11:00<kop>Flakk: There's a better way when the debtags package is installed and you search aptitude using '~G' but...
11:00<Flakk>it gives "i A xserver-xorg-video-r128"
11:00<Flakk>ATI r128 display driver ATI radeon 128 mb is my graphics card
11:01<kop>Flakk: Ok, so that's installed. But is it the right driver for your card?
11:01<kop>Flakk: Sounds right. But read the man page to be sure. Also, you could pastebin the X log output and someone here could help. gotta go.
11:02<dkrot>can anyone suggest GUI login manager? I have no KDE or gnome installed, i'm using openbox.
11:03<Titan8990>dkrot, xdm
11:03<petemc>dkrot: apt-cache search display-manager
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11:04<dkrot>petemc, thanks
11:05<kootoomootoo>cahoot & jelly: vim works great, thanks!
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11:10<Flakk>kop: if you are still here: I checked the Xorg.0.log it says among other things: (II) RADEON(0): supported VESA video modes- and then it lists the resolutions which I indeed can obtain. Then it says(II) RADEON(0): Suuported Future Video Modes : and then the list of 6 resoutions+frequencies. and among them there are the resolutions which I can not get. what does it mean?
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11:12<bighornram>How would I go about manually installing seahorse into my squeeze install?
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11:17<bighornram>How do you remove a package that has been installed as a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment?
11:18<pipe>can't you just remove it
11:18<pipe>gnome-desktop-environment will probably go away too
11:19<bighornram>that would then remove all of gnome right? Can I force the removal without this happening?
11:20<pipe>Just try in aptitude
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11:20<pipe>It shouldn't remove anything except that
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11:24<bighornram>pipe: aptitude wants to remove gnome, and gnome-desktop-envirnment.
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11:25<pipe>nothing else?
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11:26<pipe>I think those are just meta packages sort of, if you want to install the full gnome environment you select those, and they will pull in everything from dependencies
11:26<pipe>if you remove some package, you don't have a complete gnome environment
11:26<pipe>But the rest should be there
11:26<pipe>Don't do this unless you have a backup or know how to fix things though, because I don't run gnome so I have no idea :)
11:27<xover>What is the equivalent of Active Directory for Linux?
11:27<pipe>xover: What's active directory?
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11:33<valdyn>there is ad for linux
11:33<valdyn>( samba )
11:33<petemc>xover: ldap and kerberos
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11:34<kop>xover: ldap (openldap) dns (bind9) dhcp (dhcpd) pam. That's sort of it. There's also winbind. You need to decide what you want to do -- you're asking "what is the linux equalivent of a MS Windows machine", sort of.
11:34<xover>petemc: how can I get the granular control that AD provides uses those systems, do I need to write my own scripts to do all the tasks?
11:34<kop>xover: There are various authentication database choices.
11:34<valdyn>xover: linux supports acls
11:35<kop>xover: What are "the tasks"?
11:35<petemc>xover: going by the questions you were asking earlier, you would find it very difficult to implement a system using things like ldap and kerberos
11:36<petemc>its difficult enough even for people well versed in networking and authentication protocols
11:36<xover>i dont have any tasks, im just considering if its a viable alternative for replacing the 2k3 and 2k8 machines to reduce the inherent license costs.
11:36<xover>Is there any point, yes, cost saving. Does anyone do it, has it been done etc?
11:37<pipe>Of course it is, a lot of companies use linux for this
11:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 406] by debhelper
11:37<pipe>But if you need to exactly emulate your current setup, it might be difficult
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11:37<valdyn>i very much doubt that licensing cost is relevant in companies
11:37<xover>pipe: a second ago you were asking what AD was, now your giving it the big man talk.
11:37<petemc>valdyn: of course it is
11:37<pipe>xover: Indeed
11:38<pipe>xover: I don't know about random Microsoft terms
11:38<xover>pipe: are you a programmer?
11:38<pipe>xover: Yes
11:38<xover>pipe: do you know much about systems administration?
11:39<pipe>xover: I don't know
11:40<xover>petemc: have you tried this?
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11:40<petemc>xover: no
11:40<petemc>ive some exposure to ldap
11:40<xover>petemc: what did you use it for?
11:40<petemc>storing information
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11:41<dpkg>[ldap] Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. Ask me about <openldap>. #ldap on
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11:42<pipe>Kerberos is a bit tricky to set up in debian IMO, easier to use openbsd if you need that in particular.
11:44<xover>pipe: what do you mean by needing kerberos? Im asking for full AD solution but stil being able to use windows desktops.
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11:45<xover>of course authentication, central management, software deployment etc needs to be part and parcel.
11:45<petemc>xover: you've been told a number of things, why dont you go off and read up on them?
11:45<xover>petemc: i know about them already you tweeker
11:45<Flooo>xover: are you using linux?
11:45<xover>Flooo: sure
11:46*petemc ignores xover
11:46<Flooo>why do you ask such silly questions?
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11:46<xover>Flooo: how is it silly?
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11:48<valdyn>xover: theres no monolothis solution to replace ad on linux, its components, you got told about those
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11:49<valdyn>xover: unless you go to some consultant or company who might sell you a "solution"
11:50<pipe>angry troll is angry.
11:50<valdyn>oh, gone
11:50<dpkg>A door is a wall solution.
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11:52<NSuldaz>greetings, how do I determine what modules I need to build into the kernel in order to do without a initramfs image?
11:52<valdyn>NSuldaz: if you have to ask, dont do it
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11:52<valdyn>NSuldaz: or figure out which modules you need in order to load modules from disk
11:53<valdyn>NSuldaz: for example, the disk controller driver and the filesystem driver, obviously
11:54<valdyn>NSuldaz: or mostly done be fools or habitually by people who already did it when it yet made sense
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11:56<NSuldaz>The last sentence didn't make much sense to me. The first sentence is just saying "Dont bother trying to learn something new". I'm looking at lsmod showing this for example: "scsi_mod 131572 2 sd_mod,libata" Without knowing more about it, I'll presume its important and build it in.
11:56<misery>so there's this /lib//init/rw mount on my new 5.0 install on one machine...
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11:57<NSuldaz>Basically, I'm thinking the way to figure this out is to lsmod on my current system, then google the results to see what these modules do. How to find out where to find them in the kernel config while doing make menuconfig is where I'm a bit lost.
11:57<misery>my older one thats been around since about 2, despite being apt-get dist-upgraded still doesnt have it.
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12:00<misery>any comments?
12:00<misery>or explanations
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12:01<misery>(and yes i know its for early rw access, but it never needed that before, so why now all of a sudden?)
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12:05<achury>I am user of gnewsense (ubuntu based). The yabasic language is broken on this system. There is someone here with some free minutes to test if this package run OK on debian?
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12:08<fred1>what is broken about it?
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12:10<achury>See, but a debian package exist on repositories. yabasic works OK to me on WinXP and Win98, but I tested on DamnSmallLinux and Gnewsense (both debian based) and yabasic runs OK for console programs, but crash when the program open a graphic window (statements like "open window 200,200")
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12:11<achury>appear to be a problem related with glib
12:11<fred1>ive installed yabasic. eitehr msg or pastebin me a short program that you'd like be to test
12:11<achury>A simple program:
12:11<achury>open window 200,200
12:12<misery>meanwhile... i am asking about an actual DEBIAN thing...?
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12:13<fred1>misery, missed your question..
12:13<fred1>also note that not everyone is expert in all topics
12:13<misery>scroll up then
12:13<achury>Is supossed that the mantainer of yabasic package must to catch this problem...
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12:13<fred1>note that everyone here is just another debian user, for the most part
12:13<fred1>as far as I know no one here 'words for debian', or is an official 'debian helper'
12:13<fred1>dang kbb
12:14<misery>this is a debian server dedicated to... debian... is it not?
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12:14<fred1>the point is, no one is obligated to answer your questions.. just becuase someone is helping one person, doesnt mean they know the answer to your question, or even anything about the topic.
12:14<sney`>oftc is just another irc network. this is an official Debian support channel
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12:14<sney`>but yes we can only answer questions to which we know the answer
12:14<fred1>if you'd like to wait a momnent I'll scroll up and see if I can find your question
12:14<misery>i was only asking for comments anyway, not demanding help... it just seems stupid that some guy crapping on about some other distro gets more comments.
12:15<fred1>or you could save some time and just ask it again
12:15<achury>Official site says that development stops on 2005, so if debian includes a yabasic package, is needed to fix the original source to run with updated libraries.
12:15<fred1>achury, yes, your original summation was right - file bug with the yabasic developer or packager
12:15<misery>please do so, to keep on topic fred1
12:16<gdb>Wow, people are still writing software in BASIC? That's far out!
12:16<sney`>misery: use apt-file to find out what package it's from, and see if there's any reason it could have been held back somewhere along the upgrade process. and don't be a whiner
12:17<misery>yeah. that too. :)
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12:17<achury>basic is great for simple tasks :-)
12:17<misery>sney, you mean dpkg --listfile?
12:18<fred1>sney`, hey cool.. had never seen that before
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12:18<misery>eh --search
12:18<achury>with yabasic I can run simple programs that run on windows and linux and only need a 200Kb interpreter.
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12:18<gdb>I always thought BASIC got a bad rap. People didn't like it because it has GOTO which breaks the "procedure" part of "procedural", but I found it fun and easy to write stuff with when I was in high school. I think my favorite lang is Pascal but no one uses that anymore, either. I do Java now (yeah, snicker all you want). hehe
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12:19<gdb>achury: Migrate to Java! Then you only need 100MB of VMs and libraries! hah!
12:19*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
12:19<fred1>Me: Apple Basic, Apple Pascal, Turbo Pascal, php, sql, bash
12:19<misery>gdb, pascal is great, its like a kids version of ada. The most awesome language ever! :)
12:19<sney`>misery: I mean apt-file. If you have another tool that does the same job then go ahead.
12:20<fred1>roughly in that order
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12:20<misery>sney, are you just being a tosser or what? dpkg --search /lib/init/rw
12:20<misery>initscripts: /lib/init/rw
12:20<misery>i already knew this
12:21<ml|>misery: read what sney` said again
12:21<misery>-bash: apt-file: command not found
12:21<achury>There is someone with account at to fill a bug report to yabasic mantainer ;-)
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12:21<sney`>mercy me
12:21<fred1>aptitude install apt-file ?
12:22<ml|>install it then or use something else like sney` suggested
12:22<misery>the question is: why does my UPGRADED system not mount this, but a NEW install does? Its not in /etc/fstab
12:22<gdb>What's apt-file do that dpkg -S doesn't?
12:22<misery>initscripts is installed on both systems
12:23<ml|>dpkg: tell gdb about apt-file
12:23<Lethalman_>gdb, apt-file can look for uninstalled applications
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12:25<gdb>Ah, makes sense! Obviously something dpkg can't do. This is something that's always confused me about apt (and I've used Debian for about 5 years) is how apt functionality is split across so many different utililities. apt-cache, apt, apt-files, apt-listbugs, apt-insertwhatyouwanthere.
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12:26<misery>gdb, apparently, youre supposed to only use aptitude these days
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12:27<ml|>each has own it's usage
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12:27<ml|>s/own it's/it's own/
12:27<themill>gdb: apt(1) is an entirely different tool.
12:27<gdb>misery: Which is what I do, yes.
12:27<misery>before that was apt-* and before that was dpkg... but there were always quirks.
12:28<sney`>oh and don't forget dselect
12:28<Gold5tein>Hey everybody: I would like you all to know that dr|z3d is an ahole
12:28-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by ChanServ
12:29<dr|z3d>Wow indeed.
12:29<ml|>sney`: haha
12:29<dr|z3d>Troll doesn't like being banned. What's new?
12:30<ml|>dr|z3d: the new whiner section ;)
12:30<misery>so... can we get serious for a bit pls?
12:31<fred1>I didnt notice any recent bans. this someone with a long-term grudge or it just took them that long to get tor setup...
12:31<misery>sney, right! dselect... after apt*
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12:31<misery>sney, which im trying to migrate from actually.
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12:32<misery>bleh. fuck this
12:32<sney`>aptitude has a curses gui that kind of looks like dselect but is less scary
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12:32<sney`>I guess he's had a long day
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12:32<ml|>heh, just look at his nick! ;)
12:33<fred1>fyi I found something called 'devede' in dmm that didnt require replacing a bunch of official libraries, that seems to do exactly what I wanted.
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12:34<gdb>What was misery's issue that he needed help with?
12:34<fred1>all thats left is to test the resulting disc in an actual player, vlc was happy playing the iso
12:34<fred1>wanted to know why a new install of lenny had /lib/init/rw mounted
12:34<fred1>but one upgraded from (?) to lenny did not
12:35<fred1>having absolutely no idea, or even what /lib/init/rw is, i had no answer
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12:35<ml|>maybe he did not follow the upgrade notes or something
12:35<gdb>fred1: How do you mean "mounted" - I ask because I have an etch -> lenny system that has /lib/init/rw which contains a directory called sendsigs.omit.d which contans a symlink to the pid file for portmap.
12:35<themill>etch should also have had a tmpfs on /lib/init/rw. *shrug*
12:36<fred1>gdb, that what my direct install of lenny has as well
12:36<gdb>fred1: ie; it doesn't look (from what I see) intended to be a mountpoint.
12:36<gdb>Hrm, this was upgraded from etch back in March.
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12:36<fred1>my /lib/init/rw is a tmpfs
12:37<gdb>Ah, so it is here, too.
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12:37<gdb>And you're seeing this only on the upgraded machine, but not on the fresh install?
12:37<fred1>it wasnt my question
12:37<ml|>gdb: the other way around, but he is gone
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12:38<gdb>Ah, that was misery's. I guess I'm not seeing what the issue is. He just wanted to know why it's not a tmpfs on his machine?
12:38<fred1>seems to be the gist of it
12:38<sney`>he has 2 machines- 1 new install, and 1 that has been dist-upgraded again and again since potato.
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12:38<gdb>That's a difference between some people. Some want to know exactly why everything isn't as expected. I just want to know "does it work? Yes. Ok, not worrying about it."
12:39<ml|>he really did not ask a real question
12:39<fred1>nothing wrong with wanting to know how things work
12:39<fred1>but yeah, what ml| said
12:39<sney`>and he whined a lot about not getting all the attention
12:39<fred1>then he got upset i was answering someones question about yabasic
12:39<sney`>the kindsa people we have to deal with, I sweah
12:39<gdb>No, there's not. I totally get that. I assumed he had an actual problem since he seemed pretty steamed that his question wasn't answered to his satisfaction.
12:39<fred1>then he got into a snit about what the 'right' way to see what package that file belonged to..
12:40<sney`>some people just show up expecting a fight
12:40<ml|>yeah, not a way to get help
12:40<sney`>misery was australian so that's just like saying 'hello' for him :P
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12:41<fred1>and some people start one when linux, or debian, doesnt do exactly what they expected it to do
12:41<fred1>cough.. active directory
12:41<gdb>I know I'm in the minority, but that's why I run stable. It does exactly what I expect it to do for years at a time.
12:42<NSuldaz>ok, I've built the ext4 fs into the kernel, but the last time I tried reboot I encountered block device errror message. I'm using a sata hard-drive, and clues as to what I maybe misconfigured?
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12:42<fred1>I also run stable. i was coming from redhat/fedora, and i basically knew how to handle it.. debian was entirely new to me, so i stayed well clear of any unstable 'in development' stuff
12:42<gdb>I'd probably run testing if it weren't for the mentality my job has beaten into my head over the last decade.
12:42<ml|>not really a lot people run stable
12:42<gdb>NSuldaz: I've not experience with ext4, unfortunately.
12:42<gdb>^^ see my comments about running stable ;-)
12:42<ravenbird>gdb: no idea
12:43<sney`>NSuldaz: why are you building your own kernel? ext4 kernels have been available in backports for a while now
12:43<dpkg>[ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). #ext4 on
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12:43<gdb>Perhaps your issue, NSuldaz is the use of GRUB legacy? That support note would indicate that as a possible issue.
12:44<gdb>fred1: NTFS supports 16 exabytes and has since the mid 90s. :-(
12:44<ml|>NSuldaz: since you are not using initrd or trying not to, you need to make sure sata stuff is builtin to the kernel
12:44<fred1>NTFS can kiss me where the sun don't shine :P
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12:45<fred1>who the hell has an exabyte hard drive
12:45<sney`>supports 16 exabytes but gets fragmented out the wazoo at the slightest provocation... they sure have their priorities in order
12:45<sney`>fred1: big arrays, I guess. but it's still a pretty lofty number
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12:46<fred1>i guess.. I cant even quite envision that size
12:46<fred1>a petabyte is.. what, 1024 tera?
12:46<fred1>so exa is a million tera.. holy crap
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12:46<fred1>I cant imagine anyone needing that much.. I mean heck, 640k should be enough for everybody
12:47<NSuldaz>Ok... gonna try and build it again. I think I've enabled everything I need to. Is there anyway to inspect my current initrd image to see what has been included there?
12:47<Lethalman_>NSuldaz, gunzip it and loop mount it
12:47<fred1>istr exabyte was also a brand name for... tape drives, or something
12:47<NSuldaz>Lethalman_, thx
12:48<sney`>I think Google's current total storage is measured in exabytes
12:48*fred1 checks newegg for exabyte hard drives
12:48<sney`>more than you can afford, pal.
12:49<Hydroxide>I can almost guarantee you google doesn't store most of their data on ntfs :)
12:49<sney`>yeah, they use an internal fork of Ubuntu
12:49<ml|>if at all
12:49<sney`>so it's probably ext4
12:49<fred1>sney' I hope you're kidding
12:49<sney`>or jfs/xfs/reiser etc
12:49<valdyn>migrating to ext3
12:49<Hydroxide>sney`: that's more on the desktop side, not on the side
12:49<valdyn>migrating to ext4
12:49<Hydroxide>but, yeah
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12:49<ml|>ext4 has worked great for me :)
12:50<fred1>i meant about them using ubuntu
12:50<Lethalman_>just do a search people:
12:50<sney`>about the ubuntu thing? they do use it. and their production linuxoid is probably not far removed either. ChromeOS will likely also be an ubuntu port
12:50<sney`>er, fork.
12:50<vvas>hey all
12:50*themill suspects all of this should move to #debian-offtopic.
12:50<vvas>what's the policy of packages modifying other packages' configuration files?
12:50*Hydroxide agrees with themill and drops the subject :)
12:50*Titan8990 doesn't understand why people fork a fork...
12:50<dr|z3d>vvas: Don't do it. Bad jew jew.
12:51<sney`>I don't think that's how you spell that
12:51<NSuldaz>Lethalman_, Do you know what kind of filesystem it is? dmesg says its not ext2
12:51*fred1 thinks themill is just a *bit* retentive on the offtopic issue, but has to go test a burned DVD and tend to other tasks so drops the issue as well
12:51<dr|z3d>No, it probably isn't. And forgive any unintentional slight on Jews. None intended.
12:52<Lethalman_>NSuldaz, I don't know
12:52<themill>fred1: many of the people here are at work and only pay attention to the channel when there is activity. A quiet help channel is a good channel and we have #debian-offtopic for chatter.
12:52<vvas>well, i've come across a situation where one package is broken with another package's default configuration, and i'm trying to figure out where the bug report belongs to (and what the long-term solution would be
12:53<NSuldaz>Found it in the debian manual... cramfs
12:53<vvas>in particular, this:
12:53<fred1>appears to be a cpio archive
12:53<Lethalman_>vvas, what packages
12:53<Lethalman_>ah ok
12:53<fred1>well its a cpio archive on my system
12:53<fred1>or at least it claims to be
12:53<vvas>in short, openafs-krb5 needs a setting in /etc/krb5.conf to work properly
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12:54<vvas>a setting which probably doesn't make sense for the kerberos package to ship by default
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12:54<ml|>NSuldaz: you read this for kernel stuff
12:54<vvas>so the question becomes, does one file a bug for the kerberos package to include it anyway, or a bug for the openafs package to modify the file itself?
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12:54<vvas>(hence my original question)
12:55<Lethalman_>vvas, no way to patch the package to work without that change? I mean is it so needed?
12:55<themill>vvas: the "conf.d" style approach is general the way that this is working now -- think apache modules, cron jobs etc.
12:55<vvas>Lethalman_: i wouldn't know, i'm just a mere user
12:56<vvas>themill: *nod*, unfortunately no such mechanism is in place (yet) in this case
12:56<themill>yeah, that's often the case
12:56<Lethalman_>vvas, what's the line needed in krb5.conf?
12:56<vvas>allow_weak_crypto = true
12:57<vvas>(apparently OpenAFS needs DES for its kerberos integration)
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12:59<Lethalman_>no idea
12:59<Lethalman_>as themill said one should patch krb package to use conf.d
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13:01<vvas>ok, i might as well send an email to the bug report and the relevant maintainers and see what *they* think should be a good way to address this
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13:02<vvas>(since they are the people whose opinion matters most in this case, after all)
13:02<tampered>i have got two NICs on my server
13:03<tampered>i can ping the second interface'
13:03<tampered>it works fine
13:03<tampered>but mii-tool shows
13:03<tampered>eth1: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok
13:03<tampered>eth2: no link
13:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:03<tampered>is it normal?
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13:03<RajM>I am unable to connect to Wifi !
13:04<RajM>Anyone help me ?
13:05<retrospectacus>RajM: what is your wireless card, kernel version, did it work before? Have you changed something recently?
13:05<Flooo>with more info..
13:05<dr|z3d>RajM: What does "uname -a" from a terminal tell you?
13:05<dr|z3d>And us.. you can paste here..
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13:12<RajM>how to find it ?
13:13<RajM>Debian 2.6.26
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13:13<ml|>dpkg: tell RajM about wifi
13:13<RajM>am i using old version ?
13:14<chealer>RajM: just ask your question
13:14<chealer>RajM: not really. it was released in 2009
13:15<RajM>i dont see Wireless option at all.
13:16<RajM>i see openoffice are in 2.0 version
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13:18<retrospectacus>RajM: we would like to help you but you haven't answered a single one of our questions
13:19<RajM>i am sorry i am very new.. i dont know what is my card name or curnal name i see only Debian 2.6.26
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13:21<squiddy>hi, is there any command line on terminal to manually scan for wireless signals ?
13:21<retrospectacus>dr|z3d> RajM: What does "uname -a" from a terminal tell you?
13:21<valdyn>squiddy: man iwlist
13:21<vvas>hm, on another note
13:21<squiddy>valdyn: thanks, i'll try :)
13:21<vvas>does anyone know the debian kernel team's plans for kernel modesetting?
13:21<ml|>RajM: read the message from dpkg and the n /msg dpkg what's my wireless
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13:22<Titan8990>vvas, best place to ask that would be the kernel dev mailing list
13:22<RajM>linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 1
13:22<misteraudio>there is some chat room in this place?
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13:25<themill>jsz`away: please turn that off in #debian
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13:35<lancelot_of>hi all
13:36<lancelot_of>could anyone explain to me quickly how to swap the output of to of my keyboard keys?
13:36<lancelot_of>two, sorry :-p
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13:37<Ajurna>hi @ll
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13:39<Ajurna>I need to make a bootable USB pen drive with DOS for flashing my BIOS ... There are several tutorials that didn't work out, is there someone with experience to point me anywhere or walk me trough it ? I've made a fat partition and used mkdosfs , but I'm not sure how to configure the bootloader / write a valid MBR so it boots up the DOS image
13:39<retrospectacus>lancelot_of: first you need a screwdriver
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13:41<lancelot_of>retrospectacus, dunno what a screwdriver is...
13:42<cahoot>lancelot_of: xmodmap might be what you need look into
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13:42<Ajurna>How to boot a DOS image with grub ? what are the options for "kernel" and "initrd" that I have to include ?
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13:45<tuxcrafter>hi all
13:45<tuxcrafter>modprobe cs5535_gpio
13:45<tuxcrafter>i loaded the above module but i am not getting an /sys/class/gpio system
13:46<tuxcrafter>i checked the lspci -n with the modinfo and it is a mach
13:46<tuxcrafter>also no errors on modprobing the module
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13:46<tuxcrafter>how can i get more info on what is going on?
13:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 412] by debhelper
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13:48<pipe>AzaToth: [ot] You don't happen to be an old amiga coder, do you? :)
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13:48<AzaToth>pipe: oh noes, I'm not that nerdish
13:48<pipe>Too bad
13:49<AzaToth>never had an amiga
13:49<AzaToth>(didn't had an c64 either)
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13:49<pipe>AzaToth: I'm sorry to hear that :/
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13:50<AzaToth>pipe: yea, I'm from the 286 gen
13:50<pipe>I'd really like to try debian on my amiga some day
13:50<gnude>hallo, weiss jemand wie ich mit einem ftp programm auf der shell auf einen ftp server zugreifen kann, der hinter einem ken proxy steht? an diesem muss ich mich ja authentifizieren
13:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:51<pipe>gnude: You usually have to use an FTP client that can use passive mode
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13:52<pipe>gnude: And you can use programs like "proxychains" or "tsocks" to make any ftp client use a SOCKS proxy
13:52<gnude>how can i access to an ftp server behind a ken-proxy? the proxy needs authentification
13:52<pipe>Ok, I don't know what a ken-proxy is, sorry
13:52<pipe>and yes
13:52<pipe>that too
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13:52<gnude>what is a socks proxy?
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13:53<pipe>gnude: A socks proxy is a generic proxy that can tunnel TCP (and sometimes UDP) traffic
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13:53<gnude>hmm i dont know much about that. can i not authentificate my at the ken-proxy so that he let transfer the access?
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13:54<pipe>Well, as I said, I have never heard the expression "ken-proxy", I don't know
13:55<bremner>gnude: ken-proxy looks like a german product, so maybe the debian-de guys know it
13:55<gnude>ken is a progam from the company avm.
13:55<gnude>i try
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13:56<retrospectacus>load average: 103.40 ... 0.o
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13:58<pipe>retrospectacus: That's fine, as long as you have that many CPUs. ;)
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14:01<retrospectacus>and if I have 4?
14:03<dr|z3d>If you have 4, max load would be 400, I guess.
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14:04<gdb>If you have 4 cores, the most efficient load to run your system at is 4.
14:04<retrospectacus>no it would be 4
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14:05*dr|z3d stands corrected.
14:05<retrospectacus>that loas was just after I got qmail working after some downtime (incoming mail burst)... now is load average: 2.16, 15.10, 20.09
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14:07<xente>what's a good irc server for debian?
14:07<dr|z3d>xente: You're on it.
14:07<retrospectacus>I use ircd-hybrid
14:08<xente>retrospectacus: I'll check it out....thanks
14:08<dr|z3d>Oh, you mean a server to run. Gotcha!
14:09<dr|z3d>xente: apt-cache search ircd
14:09<dr|z3d>That will show you what's available.
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14:10<xente>dr|z3d: I didn't think of that....thanks
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14:13<arcanez>how can I recover from tar: ./postinst: Cannot utime: Bad file descriptor
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14:15<Titan8990>arcanez, what version of debian?
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14:16<arcanez>Titan8990: sid
14:17<Titan8990>judd, versions libc6
14:17<judd>Titan8990: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.2-2 sid: 2.10.2-5
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14:17<Titan8990>arcanez, lets see the output of `apt-cache policy libc6`
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14:19<Titan8990>arcanez, upgrade your libc6 version
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14:20<arcanez>I can't install anything
14:20<Titan8990>did this occur after a libc6 upgrade?
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14:20<arcanez>I believe so
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14:21<fred1>boot from cd
14:21<arcanez>I think it's related to a tar bug
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14:21<arcanez>tar can't touch a directory, just a file.
14:21<Titan8990>arcanez, doesn't appear to be no. My google search shows that error related libc6
14:21<Titan8990>arcanez, which would be used by tar
14:21<Titan8990>arcanez, and... it shows the specific version you have
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14:23<Titan8990>arcanez, if you were not using sid to to test software for the debian project, you now know why that should be the only reason you use it
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14:24<arcanez>Downgrading /lib/ to version 2.10.2-2 fixes the bug.
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14:25<Titan8990>an upgrade in your case might also be fine
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14:27<arcanez>yeah, I have to find the debs though
14:27<Titan8990>i would wipe and start clean
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14:27<Titan8990>or restore from a backup
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14:32<arcanez>that's not very fun
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14:32<pipe>Who said life was fun
14:33<Ajurna>I'm still trying to make a bootable DOS usb drive, can anyone help
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14:47<kop>Is there a way to log console output at boot, without using a serial console? I thought there was something that logged into /var/log/boot, but can't find it.
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14:47<ml|>dpkg: bootlog
14:47<dpkg>i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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14:48<retrospectacus>kop: dmesg may be what you want
14:48<kop>ml| : Thanks. I knew there was something.
14:48<kop>retrospectacus: Nope, that's not it. I want the stuff that the rcS.d script output.
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14:58<fred1>kop, temporarily disable gdm from starting, then once the machine is booted and at the login prompt use shift-pgup to scroll back?
14:58<fred1>it wont be saved anywhere, but you'll be able to review it
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15:18<Mister_Masque>Hi all
15:19<Mister_Masque>I've a problem with certainly ndiswrapper ... So at some time, the connexion was interrupted and gnome crashed. I think that it's caused by the update to 9.10 .. Any help ?
15:19<Mister_Masque>Syslog :
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15:21<cahoot>Mister_Masque: if the reference to 9.10 implies you should ask in #ubuntu on
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15:24<Mister_Masque>cahoot> So ... I'll come back when I'm installing Debian ...
15:24<Titan8990>hehe, sounds good
15:24<cahoot>Mister_Masque: also - are really sure you need ndis?
15:25<Mister_Masque>Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
15:25<Mister_Masque>Marvell don't give Linux driver ...
15:26<Mister_Masque>What a shame =)
15:26<jeremiah>oh, isn't that just marvellous
15:26<Titan8990>i had no idea they made wireless chipsets
15:26<Titan8990>thats the first I have ever seen that
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15:27<jeremiah>Its a marvell!
15:27<Titan8990>Mister_Masque, whats the pciid?
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15:27<Mister_Masque>It's that you wait ?
15:28<Titan8990>judd, pciid 04:02.0
15:28<judd>Titan8990: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id '04:02.0'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in the output of 'lspci -nn'.
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15:29<Titan8990>Mister_Masque, the form from lspci -nn
15:29<Mister_Masque>04:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless [11ab:1faa] (rev 03)
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15:31<Titan8990>judd, pciid 11ab:1faa
15:31<judd>Titan8990: [11ab:1faa] is '88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
15:31<Titan8990>Mister_Masque, hehe, i would buy a alfa usb adapter
15:31<Mister_Masque>My card works very good with ndiswrapper =)
15:32<Mister_Masque>until now
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15:33<Mister_Masque>I can't understand "wpa_supplicant[1561]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS" In Syslog
15:33<Mister_Masque>My encryption mod is wep !
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15:35<Titan8990>Mister_Masque, yeah, now time to move to ubuntu channel
15:35<Mister_Masque>They're deaf or blind =)
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15:36<Titan8990>Mister_Masque, we have a factoid of that, sorry if its offensive
15:36<Mister_Masque>So thanks for all, and see you soon= )
15:36<Titan8990>!they don't know
15:36<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
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15:39<Supaplex>suexec is enabled, but still throws warnings so now what?
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16:13<Deviouz>can someone help me set time and date?
16:14<Titan8990>!set time
16:14<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
16:15<Titan8990>Deviouz, NTP is the way to go
16:15<ml|>yes it is
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16:15<noflash>or man date to do it by hand
16:15<Deviouz>yes I will check if I have it
16:15<Titan8990>!install it
16:15<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
16:15<pipe>the more enlightened user will however install something else than the reference implementation
16:15<pipe>for example chrony or openntpd
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16:16<Titan8990>ntp has kept my clock correct... why install something else?
16:16<ml|>ntp has served me well
16:17<Deviouz>installed it now
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16:17<pipe>windows serves many people well too :P
16:17<Titan8990>not me
16:17<Deviouz>and it seem to set it self too:P
16:18<Deviouz>time is right:) thanks guys
16:18<ml|>pipe: please don't be ridiculous ;)
16:18<Titan8990>windows only purpose is to satisfy my MMO addiction "P
16:18<pipe>ml|: yeah, ok, that was a bit of an exaggeration
16:19<Deviouz>Im having some troubble with apt aswell
16:19<pipe>But honestly, the ntp reference implementation contains waaay to much code and features you can't disable for something that needs that much access to the network and your hardware
16:19<Deviouz>it wont let me install vlc
16:20<Deviouz>it say it need vlc-nox but it refuse to install it
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16:20<Titan8990>Deviouz, pastebin the error
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16:20<pipe>But this is a bit [ot] so I'll stop whining.
16:20<Deviouz>I think Im missing some repos
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16:20<Titan8990>Deviouz, pastebin the error and your /etc/apt/sources.list
16:20<Deviouz>ok wich pastebin?
16:21<ml|>pipe: that's a better explanation, I have thought of switching to openntpd
16:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
16:21<dr|z3d>Any pastebin, Deviouz
16:21<Deviouz>a link would be great though
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16:21<ml|>Deviouz: look up
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16:21<Deviouz>just a moment
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16:26<Deviouz>never mind I just got it installed, dont ask me how??
16:27<Supaplex>!tell Deviouz -about grounding
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16:32<weasel>IN PTR?
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16:34<Hydroxide>weasel: good point(er) :)
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17:38<fm>anyone here know a danish irc server
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17:41<babilen>have a look at some irc network websites
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17:42<slav>hi all
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17:45<slav>can anyone help me out with opera ....writing system
17:46<gat>is there any way to setup apt failover servers? or also a way to check a primary server for (security) updates and failover to a mirror if necessary?
17:46<slav>input language doesn't change and typing in comes up with dorky symbols...
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17:48<slav>umm..don't you have several servers running\checking simulteniously?
17:48<slav>checking the same stuff?
17:48<opticon>can someone help me to get xrdp or point me in direction for online documentation also im useing debian 5
17:48<kop>gat: Just put multiple sources in sources.list. The ones used that come first are used first, if they can be reached.
17:48<opticon>get xrdp working i mean have it installed
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17:48<gat>kop: hm alright. i read a mailing list post with no replies saying they tried that but it didn't work. i will test.
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17:49<opticon>from another pc i can connect but when i try login with sessman x11 session get protocol error
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17:49<slav>any particular error?
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17:50<slav>anyone had same problem with opera?
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17:50<slav>and the way it pickes up fonts?
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17:50<slav>how does it pick up fonts anyway?:)
17:51<slav>reinstlling...adding ttf doesn't help
17:51<opticon>doesnt give error number or code just says error
17:51<cesurasean>Installed squeeze onto an older computer, and xorg is having problems. Saying no screens found. I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and it doesn't do anything. it doesn't prompt me to change anything, or anything, just does a return to command prompt. wtf? how do i get xorg working correctly??
17:51<slav>manually...and editing ini and config files dosn't help
17:51<cesurasean>fatal server error: no screens found
17:51<babilen>cesurasean: try "-plow"
17:51<slav>login under single user
17:51<cesurasean>what do you mean "try -plow".
17:52<slav>install ati/radeon
17:52<gat>kop: any idea of possibly checking a primary security server if updates are available, then trying to download them from a faster mirror if the mirror has them and if it doesn't getting them from the primary server?
17:52<babilen>cesurasean: ah, sorry ... it's an option to dpkg-reconfigure
17:52<slav>simplest way
17:52<adb>cesurasean, use X -configure :1
17:52<cesurasean>babilen, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow?
17:52<adb>dpkg-reconfigure is depreciate
17:52<cesurasean>adb, how do i do that exactly? please explain.
17:53<babilen>adb: right ...
17:53<slav>reconfigure xserver in my most case didn't help...
17:53<adb>cesurasean, just said : X -configure :1
17:53<adb>as root
17:53<cesurasean>i type that into a command line?
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17:54<cesurasean>caught signal 11. server aborting.
17:54<slav>apt-get install xorg-server.....ati nvidia etc....simplest way:)
17:54<slav>reconfigure when no driver won't help
17:54<Nemoder>cesurasean: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see the full nature of the error
17:54<cesurasean>what does caught signal 11 mean exactly?
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17:55<adb>cesurasean, aptitude install xorg
17:55<cesurasean>adb, ;) thx
17:56<cesurasean>for some odd reason gdm, and gnome didn't install xorg alongside
17:56<slav>noone uses\had that problem with opera i guess...
17:56<cesurasean>other machines have,
17:56<cesurasean>or no?
17:56<opticon>nevermind dumped xrdp installed vnc4server
17:56<cesurasean>i have squeeze on many machines and never had this prob. but this is a p2 machine, so yeah'
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17:57<adb>p2 it's not a reason
17:57<jeremiah>p2? As in Pentium II?
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17:58*Nemoder runs debian on a standard pentium
17:58<Nemoder>not Xorg though :)
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17:58<pipe>I did too, well, it was MMX at least
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17:59<opticon>now that vnc server works and i can login from another pc is their away to login without having the phyically login gnome on the machien itself first
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18:01<slav>i guess there should be
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18:03<jeremiah>opticon: I don't understand - you want to login automatically?
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18:05<opticon>i mean when i turn pc on and it has vncserver installed i want to be able to use vnc viewer from another computer on network to login
18:05<retrospectacus>what vnc server is it? sorry to jump in late here
18:05<opticon>without having to physically login to pc that has vncserver installed
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18:05<opticon>want to run it headless
18:06<opticon>you get what i mean?
18:06<retrospectacus>I know what you mean, you will have to configure the vnc server to open a new connection to X
18:06<dr|z3d>You want to run a script to autostart vnc.
18:07<NSuldaz>Finally managed to get my system booting without an initrd image. Now i have to somehow replace the contents of /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/phc_controls ... heres' what the contents currently look like, and what I need them to look like.
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18:07<dr|z3d>And, yeah, you'll need to grep for the "magic cookie".
18:08<opticon>yes something to make vnc server start after machine is booted up
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18:08<adb>put vnc start script in rc.local
18:08<dr|z3d>The trick is getting the session id or whatever it's called for the X session. Once you have that, then you can access your greeter.
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18:11<opticon>ok i will look into that
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18:12<opticon>would prefer when logging in through vnc not to used root account but will see about that later
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18:12<dr|z3d>Well, you could just run tightvncserver. That obviates the need for magic cookies and root.
18:13<dr|z3d>x11vnc, on the other hand, requires both.
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18:14<opticon>ok ill try that
18:14<opticon>regular vnc viewer client will work with it?
18:16<retrospectacus>yep, any VNC viewer should work with any VNC server. If they match you may get special benefits
18:16<dr|z3d>Yup. no problem.
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18:16<opticon>vnc4server removed tight vnc server installed
18:17<opticon>is tightvncserver all thats needed?
18:17<dr|z3d>x11vnc and tightvncserver work happily together.
18:17<dr|z3d>tightvncserver is all you need, sure.
18:17<opticon>so install x11vnc to
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18:17<dr|z3d>You can, sure, no harm.
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18:18<dr|z3d>But really, given what you've described you need, tightvncserver is probably a better bet.
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18:19<pipe>I wish there was an easy to install free nx solution
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18:20<box02>Hi I'm curious about git repository, I know this is not git irc though. If I push one book from Oreilly into the public repository, Is there any problem?
18:21<bremner>box02: do you need legal advice?
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18:21<box02>@bremner, yes
18:21<babilen>box02: don't do it
18:21<bremner>box02: then IRC is probably the second worst place on the planet to get it
18:22<themill>/. is the worst?
18:22<box02>@babilen, bremner .. oh Thanks!
18:22<NSuldaz>I can't figure out how to echo the values from one file, to another located in the /sys directory. Help greatly appreciated
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18:22<babilen>box02: it's easy to setup a bare repository on some server you can ssh to ...
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18:24<box02>@babilen, aha, yes. Also maybe like dropbox I can put in, right?
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18:25<box02>@babilen, what about my exercise and examples from book? Are they ok with public repo?
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18:26<retrospectacus>NSuldaz: cat file >> /sys/blah
18:26<retrospectacus>or > if you want to overwrite
18:26<retrospectacus>or explain more if that is not what you are looking for...
18:26<bremner>box02: usually o'reily books answer those kind of questions in the introduction
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18:28<box02>@bremner, oh yeah some book are written if their example can use as reader's like
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18:28<bremner>box02: but you basically need explicit permission, or consult a lawyer
18:29<babilen>box02: just drop them a letter, or put it in a private repo
18:29<opticon>hmm i installed tightvncserver rebooted debian tried to login from another pc on network with vncviewer recieve connection error
18:29<opticon>atleast untill i physically logon to debian
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18:30<opticon>so i need startup script was that what you where saying?
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18:30<box02>@bremner, babilen, okey, now I'm more fear than ever .. okey I will keep it in private repo.
18:30<retrospectacus>opticon: yes
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18:31<retrospectacus>opticon: the easiest way would be to put a line like this in your user's crontab: @reboot /usr/bin/tightvncserver
18:31<box02>@bremner, babilen, thank you very much and have a good day. for me it's too late to sleep. good bye then
18:31<babilen>box02: bye
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18:32<retrospectacus>opticon: adjusting for the correct path, and arguments, also possibly may be need to be run by root
18:32<box02>@babilen, bye
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18:36<opticon>run crontab -e from term as root
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18:37<opticon>then add @reboot /usr/bin/tightvncserver?
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18:37<NSuldaz>retrospectacus, thanks for the hint... current "cat /home/nanya/phc_controls >> /sys/devices.../phc_controls" returns "cat: write error: Invalid argument"
18:38<dr|z3d>opticon: Another thing to note.. to login to vnc, you'll need to supply the address plus the vnc session id.. eg:
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18:38<dr|z3d>the ":1" is key.
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18:41<retrospectacus>opticon: something like that, yes
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18:42<opticon>i see what you mean by other arguments i think
18:42<opticon>0 * * * *
18:43<retrospectacus>NSuldaz: you probably want > then... >> appends to the file and that is a special file on which that may not work
18:44<NSuldaz>retrospectacus, unfortunately, that did not work either.
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18:45<retrospectacus>opticon: no, that is the time at which a cronjob will run. You want to replace the 5 numbers / *s with @reboot
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18:46<retrospectacus>you may want to pass arguments to the /usr/bin/tightvncserver command, like a password or conf file location etc.
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18:49<retrospectacus>NSuldaz: can you pastebin your command and its output? also the contents of each file may be important
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18:49<opticon>thanks anyway i just dont know what im doing at this point
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18:50<retrospectacus>opticon: basically you want to figure out what command to run to get the tightvncserver working properly, then use crontab to make that command run upon startup
18:50<NSuldaz>retrospectacus, Here's the contents of the destination file, and the origin file, that is, what currently exists in /sys../phc_controls and what I want to replace with in /home/nanya/phc_controls
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18:53<NSuldaz>Sorry... here it is cleaned up a bit, actually commands and what not.
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18:57<retrospectacus>NSuldaz: the docs I'm reading say that file should receive lines like "11:34 8:24 6:17" not the stuff you have
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18:57<opticon>easier to just login with keyboard hooked up and no monitor than make this kind of change
18:58<opticon>think i will just do that
18:58<NSuldaz>retrospectacus, Yeah... that was on versions prior to 0.3.99 if I understand correctly. Now they moved to a new interface, but the only way they give you to supply vid values is with a script that doesn't work for me. So i'm trying to figure out how to apply them at boot with an echo or tee command.
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19:02<retrospectacus>opticon: or run a linux thin client using X instead of VNC
19:03<opticon>im open to suggestions
19:03<retrospectacus>X is built to be a true client-server architecture, and works very very well as such
19:04<opticon>what thin client do you suggest?
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19:05<retrospectacus>debian! :P
19:05<opticon>i have ssh working
19:05<opticon>but i wanted to use something for remote desktop
19:06<opticon>yes debian i have
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19:06<NSuldaz>This looks like it might be of use in what I'm trying to do
19:07<opticon>but for remote desktop configuration of applications is to complex for me
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19:07<dr|z3d>opticon: Stick to plan a. Tightvncserver.
19:07<dr|z3d>It's doable in 1/2 hour.
19:08<ml|>freenx is another option
19:08<pipe>that's doable in about 1/2 weeks :P
19:08<pipe>(if you try from sources...)
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19:10<opticon>well for now only thing that works is ssh
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19:11<retrospectacus>opticon, ssh -X may be what you want, too
19:11<pipe>too late
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19:14<opticon>can x11 session be started using ssh?
19:14<dr|z3d>Run x11vnc as root.
19:15<opticon>you mean once connected to ssh session as root run that?
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19:17<opticon> *** XOpenDisplay failed. No -display or DISPLAY.
19:17<opticon>that almost worked
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19:19<dr|z3d>it won't work unless you have a pre-existing session, unless you supply a magic cookie.
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19:20<dr|z3d>ie, you can login to your session normally, and _then_ x11vnc to attach to that session.
19:20<dr|z3d>Or you can supply an argument to use the magic cookie to "login" to the greeter.
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19:21<opticon>im going to play around with it abit
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19:51<retrospectacus>beer time
19:51<edhunter>retrospectacus: thats always a good time ;)
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20:34<Mr_Queue>lol.. I was trying to cleal window '2'
20:35<Mr_Queue>missed /
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20:35<retrospectacus>don't let it happen again!!
20:35<babilen>*ever again*
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20:41<chris_n>is there a way to rollback a package to a previous version? (ie. roll Perl 5.10.1 back to 5.10.0)
20:43<edhunter>chris_n: i guess it depends.. if you are using testing/sid you could downgrade but if you have stable I dont know if there is a way to use an older package
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20:48<chris_n>edhunter: its stable
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20:49<chris_n>I installed a perl module and apparently the deps included perl 5.10.1
20:50<edhunter>chris_n: this sounds like you didnt use the packages from the debian repository. if that is the case you should be able to remove the new perl version and reinstall the older one from the repository
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20:52<chris_n>edhunter: the dpkg.log shows perl 5.10.1 being installed... so should I 'apt-get remove perl'?
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20:53<edhunter>chris_n: first check if there is an older version in the repository (apt-cache policy perl)
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20:53<bremner>chris_n: you must have testing or unstable in your sources.list
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20:55<chris_n>^^ output of apt-cache policy perl
20:55<ravenbird>chris_n: are you using Windows?
20:55<chris_n>debian... tonight at least
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20:55*chris_n does strawberry on win32 when things get really slow :-)
20:56<bremner>chris_n: I have a hard time imagining why you have etch, lenny, and sid in your sources.list
20:56<chris_n>bremner: call it ignorance
20:56<chris_n>this was my first dive into debian
20:58<edhunter>well i can understand lenny and sid but not etch..
20:59<chris_n>this is actually sid
20:59<edhunter>chris_n: you said "its stable"
20:59<chris_n>so, is there a way out of these woods? or do I wipe it clean and start over?
20:59<edhunter>sid is unstable
20:59<babilen>edhunter: /msg dpkg release history
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21:00<chris_n>sorry, more ignorance seeping out
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21:00<edhunter>babilen: heh ok. was about to ask you what your point was ;)
21:02<edhunter>chris_n: i would suggest making up your mind. select what you want (stable, currently lenny, testing or sid). maintaining a mixed system can be rather tricky at times (maintaining a sid system also)
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21:04<chris_n>so can I downgrade down to lenny since this is system is unstable?
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21:05<ml|>dpkg: downgrade
21:05<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>.
21:06<babilen>in other words:
21:06<dpkg>it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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21:06<babilen>ah i prefer <aptitude clone> though ... /msg dpkg aptitude clone
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21:07<ml|>aptitude clone is suppose to be better
21:07<chris_n>k, tnx for the help everyone
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21:08<ml|>chris_n: might a good idea to read the debian docs
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21:08<ml|>chris_n: /msg dpkg reference
21:10<ml|>another /msg dpkg install guide
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21:12<chris_n>tnx ml|
21:13<babilen>chris_n: good luck ...
21:13<ml|>yes read and good luck :)
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21:24<mkl>hi, i need some help on postfix configuration, can someone help me out?
21:25<Bluehaze>i have the new intel internal nick that is not being detected by debian 5.0 net install. there is a website somewhere that includes the newest driver for intel nick. i forgot the specific url. can some one tell me what that is?
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21:26<gsimmons>Bluehaze: What Intel NIC, specifically? (e.g. the PCI-ID)
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21:28<max_>is this where I need to be for help on openbox?
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21:29<Bluehaze>gsimmons how do i get the pci id .. i do an lspci then what?
21:30<ml|>max_: /msg dpkg openbox
21:30<dr|z3d>max_: Maybe, though this might not be the _best_ channel. What OS are you using?
21:30<abrotman>Bluehaze: lspci -nn
21:30<Bluehaze>its the intel 82567lm-3
21:30<icebrain>then no
21:30<Bluehaze>thanks abrotman
21:30<icebrain>but there's #openbox
21:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:30<dpkg>it has been said that xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. /join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
21:30<max_>I am on openbox right now but I can't figure out how to get a panel running
21:31<ml|>max_: /msg dpkg openbox
21:31<dr|z3d>Hmmkay. Never knew that factoid existed. Either channel works well; #ubuntu is de agnostic, mostly.
21:31<Bluehaze>gsimmons 8086:10de
21:31<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Bluehaze -about e1000e
21:31<max_>I ran the command xcfe4-panel but once I close the terminal the panel disappears
21:32<abrotman>max_: ask the channel for your distro
21:32<dr|z3d>And come to think of it, #xubuntu _isn't_ so agnostic, so less likely the best place for _openbox_ support.
21:32<abrotman>this isn't it
21:32<max_>I don't know what /msg dpkg openbox means, I am new to this
21:32<abrotman>max_: /server ... then /join #xubuntu
21:32<dr|z3d>max: Different channel, and try adding an & after the command to run in the background. So, xfce4-panel &
21:33<ml|>dpkg: tell max_ about openbox
21:33<abrotman>ml|: stop .. send him to #xubuntu
21:33<ml|>abrotman: have not, not even once
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21:33<abrotman>ml|: i'm telling you to .. he's not using debian
21:34<ml|>abrotman: read again
21:34<abrotman>ml|: the part where he says he's using xubuntu ..
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21:35<eightyeight>i don't see how #openbox isn't the right channel to join, if he's looking for openbox support
21:35<Bluehaze>gsimmons. i am pretty new to this. thanks for sending me the link to the inter driver. however. i am looking for an actual iso that contains this driver in the net install of debian. that website exist.. i just forgot the url and someone here posted it for me before
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21:35<gsimmons>Bluehaze: AIUI, your device should also be supported by the 2.6.30 kernel ; /msg dpkg kmuto
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21:36<Bluehaze> /msg dpkg kmuto
21:36<Bluehaze>gsimmons thank you so much..that was the one
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21:44<Deb-User1873>hello everybody
21:45<Deb-User1873>i have problems connecting to
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21:46<abrotman>with a browser or apt ?
21:46<Deb-User1873>with apt
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21:46<abrotman>Deb-User1873: does it work in a browser ?
21:47<Deb-User1873>not in browser
21:47<Deb-User1873>i cant even connect to in browser
21:47<Deb-User1873>sney: works fine
21:48<abrotman>Deb-User1873: if you open a terminal, does `nslookup` work ?
21:48<sney`>DNS issue!
21:49<Deb-User1873>abrotman: yes nslookup works
21:49<sney`>an oddly specific dns issue
21:49<abrotman>so you can only not see debian names?
21:49<abrotman>so '' works in your browser ?
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21:50<Deb-User1873>but works
21:51<abrotman>nslookup .. fails ?
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21:51<Deb-User1873>nslookup works
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21:53<abrotman>are you using aptitude update when it fails ?
21:53<Deb-User1873>if i try to connect to in other OS (windows) i am able to connect
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21:54<Deb-User1873>it fails in aptitude update
21:54<Deb-User1873>even in browser
21:54<abrotman>what's the actual error ?
21:54<abrotman>with aptitude i mean
21:55<Deb-User1873>i was trying to update my system, but it was not able to connect to
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21:56<Deb-User1873>so than i tried to ping, and that also failed
21:56<kop>Deb-User1873: (Note that once you reboot may resolve to a different computer. It's always possible that one or another is down or unreachable from where you are, although I've never seen it down.)
21:57<abrotman>Deb-User1873: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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21:58<Deb-User1873># Generated by NetworkManager
21:58<Deb-User1873>thats in resolv.conf
21:58<kop>!tell Deb-User1873 about pastebin
21:58<abrotman>probably only need that once .. but okay
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22:00<looking4beans>any1 in?
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22:00<kop>!tell looking4beans about ask
22:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
22:01<looking4beans>I have a weird problem with a package
22:01<looking4beans>netbeans-ide and netbeans-platform do not show up in my package list
22:01<looking4beans>I'm running an amd64 squeeze system
22:01<looking4beans>contrib is in my sources.list
22:02<dr|z3d>looking4beans: apt-cache search netbeans shows you what?
22:02<looking4beans>actually they show up now because I've installed them manually
22:03<dr|z3d>You might find aptitude install netbeans does what you need.
22:03<looking4beans>but they weren't showing up before neither with aptitude search nor with apt-cache
22:03<gsimmons>looking4beans: netbeans-{ide,platform} are not currently available in testing.
22:03<looking4beans>but they show up as availale when I look for them on ?
22:04<abrotman>packages.d.o lies sometimes
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22:04<looking4beans>I see
22:04<eightyeight>speaking of packages.d.o, anyone know the status of ovirt in debian?
22:04<sney`>judd probably does
22:04<judd>sney`: Error: "probably" is not a valid command.
22:04<eightyeight>haven't seen it show up yet. i've seen the wishlist request, but nothing after that
22:05<sney`>!why isn't ovirt in sid
22:05<abrotman>looking4beans: there used to be a "last updated on", but seems to be gone
22:05<looking4beans>well, thanks for the help, I was thinking my system was going nuts :)
22:05<abrotman>eightyeight: is it in NEW ?
22:05<Deb-User1873>abrotman: strange, but after i used nslookup i am now able to connect to it.
22:05<abrotman>awesome .. weird
22:06<eightyeight>abrotman: don't see it
22:06<Deb-User1873>i wasn't able to connect for about a week
22:06<abrotman>eightyeight: oh, the ITP/RFP is still open ?
22:06<Deb-User1873>abrotman: thanks for your help :)
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22:07<eightyeight>it appears so
22:07<abrotman>eightyeight: you could append one to see what's going on with it ..
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22:08<eightyeight>meh. i was just curious if anyone had any news on it, or was familiar with it
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23:04<i_is_broke>how hard is it to switch from stable to squeeze?
23:06<edhunter>i_is_broke: i would say it is simple. add squeeze sources to source.list. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. but since i never did this (i use only sid) you might want to wait for someone else to answer
23:07<i_is_broke>edhunter, thanks, i think your right.i just wanted to make sure.
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23:07<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
23:07<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
23:09<ml|>i_is_broke: you install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs ask dpkg about then /msg dpkg ...
23:10<i_is_broke>ml|, thanks ill look into it a little more, im using a total intel board and i want to make sure everything is going to work right before i install it.
23:10<ml|>i_is_broke: install?
23:11<i_is_broke>ml|, well upgrade too it.
23:11<i_is_broke>i guess i should say.
23:11<ml|>oh, so you will install lenny then move to squeeze?
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23:13<i_is_broke>ml|, yeah that was my intentions..but would it be better to just start out with squeeze?
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23:14<ml|>nope, do you need testing or just want to use it?
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23:14<edhunter>i_is_broke: i would say that it is simpler and less time consuming to just start from squeeze if you really need/want testing
23:16<i_is_broke>well, what would be the plus of being with stable? other then its stable,it uses alot of the old stuff and dont know if it will be compatible with my hardware.
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23:16<ml|>I prefer to start with a working stable then move to testing; but you can start with testing using the stable install in expert mode I've being told but never done it that way
23:17<edhunter>i_is_broke: have you used any other distros on that pc? perhaps this would help us tell you if stable is really too old for you
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23:18<ml|>i_is_broke: being using debian a while?
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23:19<i_is_broke>ml|, and edhunter i started out with slackware about 4 years ago, and then i went to ubuntu for a couple of years, and i have installed fedora and mandriva arch, so i have been playing around with it for a while.
23:19<ratty>Hey, for some reason or another my sound just broke and I have no idea why? The driver is loaded and the audio device is listed under the audio cards, but it isn't working abruptly. Sound is unmuted and I just did a fresh reboot. Anybody have an idea as to what would be intefering or causing the issue. I have a sound blaster audigy 2ZS
23:19<edhunter>i_is_broke: if it worked 4 years ago it should be able to work now with lenny
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23:20<ml|>as long as you know what testing is and feel comfortable using testing
23:20<ml|>i_is_broke: ^
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23:20<i_is_broke>edhunter, newer computer, since then too.
23:20<i_is_broke>actually several new computers.
23:21<i_is_broke>but stable will run on it.
23:21<ml|>you might need to use kmuto iso, but try with lenny install first
23:22<i_is_broke>well i aint going to down load the testing to put it on a disk.
23:22<edhunter>ratty: perhaps some program "grabbed" the sound card or some module overrode the correct one. perhaps hardware failure?
23:22<i_is_broke>so im going to start out with lenny
23:23<ratty>edhunter, oh harddwware ffailurre,, ppleaase dont say that. I will have to take a look I suppose. Damn
23:23<ml|>i_is_broke: kmuto is different /msg dpkg kmuto ; but yeah start out with lenny, good luck
23:24<i_is_broke>well ill let you know how it goes in a few...bbia sec, going to log onto the other computer till im
23:24<i_is_broke>much easier that way if i get into
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23:25<edhunter>ratty: if you didnt do anything else (install some sound related program whatever) it is really strange for the sound to "just stop working"
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23:25<ratty>What are ways to check to see if an audio card went bad?
23:26<edhunter>ratty: you could check which apps are using your sound card with lsof | grep snd (at least thats the way i do it when some application doesnt have sound..)
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23:26<edhunter>ratty: might not be the card. might be the speakers. might be the cable. im just suggesting that it might be some hardware failure
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23:27<ml|> this might help... /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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23:31<ratty>edhunter, Lovely, dang... Speakers work just fine, must be cable or card then I suppose
23:31<ratty>edhunter, Hmmm... Are there any ways to troubleshoot and see if it isnt hardware though
23:32<edhunter>ratty: have a look at what ml| suggested. might be some driver issue. perhaps try reconnecting it (if USB)
23:32<ratty>edhunter, Will take a look, thanks
23:34<edhunter>ratty: dont know if it helps but sometimes i do lose sound when i open for example qt-designer (dont ask me why i just do :p)
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23:35<ratty>edhunter, I guess I will try a fresh reboot and see if that helps again. Thgen try to play something through console
23:35<Mr_Queue>ratty: lspci -vvv to pastebin please.
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23:36<edhunter>ratty: thats a good idea
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23:37<ratty>Mr_Queue, Seems as though things are loaded though
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23:39<Mr_Queue>ratty: have you looked at alsa-mixer right from the line?
23:40<Mr_Queue>perhaps you have a muted interface?
23:42<Mr_Queue>tick tock I'm bored now..................
23:45<ratty>Mr_Queue, No I don't
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23:45<ratty>Sorry was going through them again
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23:45<ratty>I used the amixer command to unmute any channels
23:48<ratty>anyway brb
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