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00:02<heffay>I still don't understand how to fix it
00:02<heffay>I don't know what to edit
00:03<abrotman>heffay: the bot just told you
00:03<abrotman>heffay: dmesg | grep eth .. do you see your network card?
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00:07<heffay>I think so
00:08<heffay>it says udev renamed it to eth1 (from eth0)
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00:08<heffay>it says forcedeth, with i think is the open source driver for my nforce3?
00:09<sney>for the ethernet part anyway
00:09<abrotman>heffay: so, like the bot told you ..edit that file in /etc/udev/rules.d/
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00:10<heffay>add the output of dmesg | grep eth.. as a rule?
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00:13<hyperhacker>...why did it bring me here
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02:13<edhunter>Canh: you need to state your problem if you hope to find help
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02:16<Canh>i run "mount /dev/sdc
02:16<Canh>" and i get mess "mount: can't find /dev/sdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
02:16<Canh>" please help me
02:17<Canh>nobody here?
02:17<edhunter>Canh: first i dont think you can mount the whole disk. you need to mount a partition
02:18<edhunter>second if the partition is not in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab you need to specify a mount point
02:18<Canh>i want mount cdrom
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02:19<Canh>but i don't known how to
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02:20<edhunter>Canh: do you know the device name of your cd-rom?
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02:23<TeddyB>okay then
02:24<twb>edhunter: you can mount a whole disk if the whole disk is a filesystem, of course
02:24<twb>edhunter: e.g. /dev/fd0
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02:25<edhunter>twb: isnt fd0 a floppy disk? i mean i cant mount my external disk i need to mount the partition on the disk right?
02:26<edhunter>(talking bout IDE/SATA)
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02:27<twb>A disk is a disk
02:27<twb>Nothing stops you from mke2fs'ing /dev/sda
02:28<edhunter>really? didnt know that. always thought i need some partition and i dont remember gparted ever using the whole disk without creating some partition
02:28<twb>gparted is a wanky GUI that tries to stop you shooting yourself in the foot
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02:29<twb>It's usually a bad idea to put a filesystem directly on a disk, because when your sister borrows it her Windows laptop will say "hey! A blank disk! Want me to erase it for you?"
02:29<TeddyB>what is the shell command to list disk drives, mounted or not
02:29<twb>TeddyB: /proc/partitions
02:29<edhunter>twb: thx for the info. will keep using partitions to be safe :p
02:30<twb>TeddyB: though that probably doesn't list optical or floppy drives; I haven't checked lately
02:30<jm_>ls /sys/block
02:30<twb>jm_: nice
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02:33<TeddyB>/proc/partitons does only list disk drives. atleast this one did
02:33<TeddyB>and /sys/block didn't list details about the devices thus leaving one to guess. but still useful info at times
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03:31<edhunter>hi jmm
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03:33<TeddyB>hi jmm
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03:38<cfrabel_>Hi all.
03:38<edhunter>hi cfrabel_
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03:38<cfrabel_>I tried to install squeeze on a laptop compaq presario2100
03:39<cfrabel_>It freezes while installing, at the very beginning
03:39<cfrabel_>Previously, I hat a working debian system on this machine
03:39<cfrabel_>So, I am unable to imagine where I can look for to solve this problem
03:40<cfrabel_>Could somebody help?
03:40<jm_>it will mention some useful kernel parameters at boot prompt if you press F# keys
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03:41<cfrabel_>jm_, the only think i done is to key <<return>> key while booting and 1 time it didn't freeze
03:42<cfrabel_>F# seems to do nothing
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03:46<jm_>cfrabel_: you need to press F keys at boot prompt
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03:49<cfrabel_>jm_, you mean while system is booting or after the firts screen?
03:51<cfrabel_>I have to say that, before reinstallng, i tried to update from my previous installation.
03:51<cfrabel_>My previous installation worrkrd fine.
03:52<cfrabel_>After upgrading, the system freezed at grub screen
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03:52<jm_>cfrabel_: no at the boot prompt, before kernel is booted
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03:54<cfrabel_>jm_, ok i'll try tonight ;)
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03:54<cfrabel_>jm_, thank you
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03:54<jm_>cfrabel_: but maybe I don't understand the issue, does the installation CD freeze or once it's installed?
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04:11<Nabilou>Hello everybody
04:12<TeddyB>hello Nabilou
04:12<Nabilou>Im looking for a kernel image an initrd file that could be use with FAI
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04:12<TeddyB>above my skill level...
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04:17<cfrabel_>jm_, CD1 freezes at the 1st menu level AND DV1 1 also.
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04:19<jm_>cfrabel_: right, so try those options then
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04:21<cfrabel_>jm_, you mean F# ?
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04:22<jm_>cfrabel_: f keys will just display different screens, one of them lists standard options to try if you have problems
04:24<cfrabel_>jm_, Ok.
04:25<jm_>cfrabel_: there should also be instructions aobut using these options
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04:27<cfrabel_>I am not sure I am even able to go to this screens but i'll try
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04:34<ansgar>Nabilou: I think you could build one in FAI's chroot (you might have to install some more packages though).
04:35<ansgar>Nabilou: But I did that some time ago, so I might not remember thigs correctly.
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04:40<Nabilou>ansgar: Thanks, I'm going to try this idea
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04:42<heffay>i just installed squeeze and at boot im getting an error that grub couldnt lookup symbol grub_getcharwidth. what does that mean?
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04:44<dpkg>draco112358: VATTENE VIA
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04:45<sney>lol, never gets old
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05:45<Riverthief>DCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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05:45<creeed>how can I get the output of two commands in one line?
05:45<azeem_>what do you mean with one line?
05:46<azeem_>make sure the first command does not print a new-line character, probably
05:46<TeddyB>you mean forward one command to another via a Pipe |?
05:46<creeed>uname; echo "."; uname -m
05:46<creeed>and not
05:46<azeem_>uname | tr '\n' '.'; uname -m
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05:49<creeed>is there any bash option to print output without new line?
05:49<jm_>no, it's commands that need it, not bash
05:49<jm_>like in echo, -n
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05:50<creeed>yes but if not!
05:50<jm_>not but if yes!
05:51<creeed>oh I didnt see azeem_ 's response!
05:51<jm_>you can use tr like suggested before, tr -d '\n'
05:51<creeed>thanx man! ^^
05:51<creeed>yeah I just didnt say the output!
05:52<creeed>tr do the stuff ;)
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06:00<fossiiil>i read tar manual, but it's unclear to my, why it says: -T reads null-terminated names, disable -C
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06:00<fossiiil>why does it disable -C ? i see no's not practical imho, when null terminated filenames are relative...
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06:02<edhunter>fossiiil: i see nothing like that in man tar..
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06:04<jm_>fossiiil: my docs don't say it disables -C
06:05<jm_>and you can also specify -C in the file
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06:06<fossiiil>my man tar date is: Apr 29, 2009
06:06<fossiiil>jm_: how can i specify -C in file (which file, how?)
06:06<jm_>fossiiil: the file that you specify with -T; so you tar is newer, probably more correct docs
06:06<jm_>your even
06:07<edhunter>hmm ok mine is aug 4 so this explains it i guess..
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06:08<jm_>just put "-C/mydir" in the file, or "-C\n/mytdir\n"
06:08<jm_>either method shall work
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06:42<fossiiil>time -f '%E' id
06:42<fossiiil>-f: command not found
06:42<fossiiil>why does it not work??
06:42<fossiiil>it's valid syntax according to manual...or no?
06:43<themill>fossiiil: "type -a time" => "help time"
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06:45<fossiiil>themill: thanks a lot! it's bash builtin!!!
06:45<fossiiil> /usr/bin/time sleep 10
06:46<themill>s/builtin/keyword/ actually, but that's the sort of distinction that only people in #bash get off on
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06:56<viktordite>anybody here who can help me out with my strange problem at installing php on debian lenny 64 ??
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06:57<azeem_>you haven't stated your problem yet
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07:13<viktordite>i have istalled apache2 and php5 on lenny, but php does not work if i am using a browser
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07:14<viktordite>neither i am using lynx on localhost or an outside webbrowser
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07:14<BlackFate>viktordite, did you install libapache2-mod-php5
07:15<viktordite>yes i did. here is all i have tried:
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07:16<themill>!php wants me to download still
07:16<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
07:16<jm_>what does wget say on the URL? or HEAD
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07:18<viktordite>Length: unspecified [text/html]
07:18<viktordite>Saving to: `test.php'
07:18<viktordite> [ <=> ] 43,337 --.-K/s in 0.1s
07:18<viktordite>2010-01-18 13:18:09 (284 KB/s) - `test.php' saved [43337]
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07:18<jm_>so it's browser at fault
07:19<BlackFate>viktordite, my /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf
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07:20<viktordite>@jm_ browserfault? i am not sure - i have tried lynx/firefox/safari/opera/chrome -- does they all fail?
07:21<viktordite>I'll try it now, thanks @BlackFate
07:21<jm_>viktordite: ok then specify what doesn't work means
07:21<themill>viktordite: have a look inside the "test.php" file that wget just downloaded
07:21<jm_>yeah follow the apache wiki, it has good steps to debug it
07:21<themill>(it won't be php code any more, it will have been interpreted properly)
07:22<viktordite>BlackFate you are my hero!!!!
07:23<jm_>failed to run a2enmod then?
07:23<petemc>you shouldnt even need to do that
07:23<viktordite>4 days searching for an solution have come to an end, now!
07:23<viktordite>it works!
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07:24<jm_>right, it's auto enabled in postinst
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07:25<jm_>it's interesting how some people need to such crap to get PHP going, I've used it on several installation and it just works
07:26<jm_>perhaps it's related to vhosts
07:27<themill>no idea... I've never done anything more than just install the module package from sarge onwards. I have vague memories of having to do something under potato for it.
07:27<jm_>indeed, php3 times ;)
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07:28<viktordite>@jm_ the test.php which i have downloaded has the html code, phpinfo 'll create
07:28<viktordite>so what is about that? (@BlackFate) why i have to do that "script" inside the php.conf?
07:29<BlackFate>viktordite, this is my default installation of the mod... i changed nothing..
07:29<BlackFate>viktordite, seems like you are the one who changed his setup
07:29<viktordite>hmm, ok
07:30<BlackFate>the file syntax was all wrong
07:30<viktordite>but that was the config i was faced right after the install
07:31<themill>viktordite: the php5.conf you pasted is the default debian lenny one and it works fine.
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07:31<viktordite>not here
07:31<viktordite>but i glad now it works!
07:32<viktordite>THANK YOU BLACKFATE!!! VERY very much!!!
07:32<BlackFate>viktordite, lol, dont mention it
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07:35<Vyrus001>anybody have an issue where after loading iceweasle for a bit, the entire system freezes?
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07:35<jm_>just iceweasel getting slower and slower with each day
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07:37<Vyrus001>jm_: rly not sure whats causin the issue, no logs to speek of and its not just x that crashes, the whole system become inoperable and requires a restart
07:37<jm_>probably try netconsole or serial console, did you try ping-ing it?
07:37<peej>Vyrus001, I have that when my system overheats. Let it cool down and it's back to normal.
07:37<peej>ymmv of course
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07:38<peej>noscript and adblocker may solve it too.
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07:42<jhr>could someone highlight me please? testing a different WM here. TIA
07:43<jm_>done, with a yellow pen no less!
07:43<jhr>not really
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07:44<amphi>!confuse jhr
07:44<dpkg>No, where are our pants yesterday, jhr? Pants of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra anchovies.
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07:45<jhr>but now... :) works as expected. thanks!
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07:57<perk>jm_, hehe
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08:02<zeev>how can I cat 2 files together inserting "\n" between them like file a.txt: A, b.txt: B cat *.txt >> ab.txt (ab.txt: A'\n'B)?
08:02<jm_>cat a.txt ; echo ; cat b.txt
08:02<zeev>and if there are a lot of them?
08:02<zeev>with *
08:03<jm_>for a in *.txt; do cat $a; echo; dome
08:03<jm_>done too
08:03<zeev>and then >> smth.txt?
08:04<jm_>yeah if you want it in a file, or just > foo
08:04<jm_>(depends on where you put redirection)
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08:40<paultux>hola a todos
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08:51<adis_>anyone to now how can i install hp-wmi module?
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09:01<craigevil>adis_: check to see if its installed first , it is in the 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 for sure and probably in 2.6.26, try apt-file search hp-wmi
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09:03<gsimmons>No, hp-wmi didn't enter mainline until 2.6.27. Use a backported kernel image package for Lenny.
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09:08<rija> (or can anyone explain this?
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09:14<abrotman>rija: it's a game .. what's hard to understand
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09:14<rija>abrotman: just count the lines.
09:14<abrotman>rija: what's hard to understand ..
09:15<abrotman>rija: if i had to guess .. you count each sectoin individually
09:16<rija>the figure to the right has 37 lines, not 21
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09:17<rija>er 39
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09:18<mAc>hi, do you know any stable backport for zabbix 1.8 ? thanks
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09:20<rija>mAc: gbrainy is more fun than zabbix
09:21<mAc>rija, ah ah ...
09:22<rija>mAc: by the way, check (or, can you explain this?
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09:23<adis_>craigevil : this is located to linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vserver-amd64
09:23<mAc>anyone else how is not a retard ?
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09:25<rija>mAc: assuming you meant "who" instead of "how", you shouldn't feel like a retard. i'm sure that was a grainy bug. there are indeed 39 lines, not 21, in the figure to the right
09:26<craigevil>the lines going through the thick lines on the right image do not get counted at each place they meet unlike the image on the left
09:26<craigevil>think of the thick lines as being above/below the thinner lines and the count is 21
09:27<rija>craigevil: thank you.
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09:33<rija>craigevil: it's still kind of strange, as i think the vertical line in the first figure is thick too (and it is only by ignoring this thin/think line rule that i counted and confirmed 33 lines in that figure)
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09:41<rija>craigevil: s/think\ line/thick line/
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09:45<craigevil>rija: hm didnt notice that the first time, but yeah the left image has a thick line as well, if you use the same logic on both images the numbers are not what the game gives
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09:45<craigevil>who knows, i dont have it installed, too many gnome depends for me
09:46<rija>craigevil: yeah, i think it's an accident that some lines are thick. like, it must the ratio (resolution) affecting vertical lines differently from the others.
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09:47<rija>craigevil: well, at least you agree. i needed a confirmation that it was weird. two (g)brains are better than one. i won't feel so (potentially) stupid anymore. :P
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09:51<adis_>one newbie question . SD MMC MS MSPRO are supported from kernel and XD not . is that right?
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09:55<metalqga>yes, just like any flash memory
09:57<adis_>metalqga : is right that xd are not supported?
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09:59<fred1>adis_, plug it in and see if it shows up
09:59<fred1>check dmesg
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10:00<fred1>XD is just a fancy SD I think
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10:00<fred1>might be some sort of wincrap encryption or something. if you format the card under linux, it should work fine
10:00<metalqga>actually the cardreader is to be blamed
10:01<fred1>but I think you can stick an XD card in an SD reader/slot and it will work fine
10:01<metalqga>from wikipedia "At the raw hardware level, an xD card is simply an ordinary NAND flash integrated circuit in an unusual package."
10:01<fred1>I'd test, but I dont have anything labeled 'XD'
10:01<fred1>and that differs from SD how?
10:02<adis_>fred1 i had no but thinking to buy an olympus :)
10:02<metalqga>it should come with a handy usb data cable?
10:03<abrotman>adis_: it's the reader ..
10:03<fred1>actually, its whatever originally 'formatted' the card, I think
10:03<abrotman>adis_: my old camera used xD .. but i plugged it in from the camera (so usb mass storage)
10:03<fred1>I suspect anything that uses 'xD' is likely to also work fine with CD
10:03<abrotman>fred1: xD is a card format that Olympus and Fujitsu use
10:04<chahibi>I am looking for existing sysadmin security notifications scripts
10:04<abrotman>like SD/SDHC/MMC/MemoryStick .. etc .. xD is just another card type
10:04<adis_>so if it depends to my reader then i can say that work properly with sd cards
10:04<fred1>I thought XD/SD were the same physical package
10:06<adis_>xD is defferent than XD??
10:06<abrotman>fred1: not even close
10:06<abrotman>adis_: the card type is xD, not XD
10:06<firefox>so uh... I run moblock and it just told me that my comp is trying to make an outgoing connection to the army research lab... when I run netstat I dont se anything.. its kinda weirding me out.
10:06<adis_>mm ok
10:06<abrotman>pretty much a dying card type
10:07<firefox>theres gotta be something running on my comp to reach out, how would I find it?
10:07<adis_>i have already read it :)
10:08<adis_>abrotman : if my card reader work properly with sd cards that means that i can plug with no problem an xD??
10:08<fred1>adis_, it appears the xD and SD use entirely different 'slots'
10:08<fred1>your card reader would need to specifically have a slot for xD, seperate from the SD one
10:09<abrotman>adis_: if it has that ability .. because it's a dying format (never was that popular) not all of them support it
10:09<fred1>To be honest, if this isnt something you've already bought, or it isnt a *super* great deal, I'd stay away from it
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10:10<fred1>SD/SDHC has pretty much become the 'standard'
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10:10<adis_>fred1 : i own an hp pavilion that has a slot support SD/MS/MSPRO/MMC/XD
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10:10<abrotman>adis_: do you already have the xD card ?
10:11<adis_>no but the cam i would like to buy has :)
10:11<abrotman>adis_: which camera is that ?
10:11<fred1>used/private party sale?
10:11<adis_>so try to find out compatibility
10:11<abrotman>adis_: and you can always just use the camera itself as the card reader
10:11<fred1>see if they will let you borrow the xD card and test with your PC
10:11<fred1>^^ that too
10:12<ravenbird>fred1: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:12<fred1>ravenbird, explain what?
10:12<ravenbird>fred1: Have you tried ?
10:12<fred1>ravenbird, wtf are you talking about?
10:12<abrotman>fred1: leave the bot alone
10:12<ravenbird>fred1: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
10:12<fred1>eh? oh
10:13<abrotman>apparently fred1 is new to the internet .,..
10:13<fred1>Not exactly. I am aware of bots, but wasnt aware that ravenbird was one
10:13<fred1>not seeing what caused it to trigger originally.
10:13<fred1>^^ test
10:13<ravenbird>fred1: I don't know.
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10:13<abrotman>stop with the bot
10:14<abrotman>you're in another channel with ravenbird .. you've clearly seen him before ..
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10:14<fred1>I was using the two carets to point at what you said. I had no idea it was a trigger for any bo
10:14<abrotman>it's still a bot you know ...
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10:15<fred1>I see that *now*. I had never seen that handle speak before, at least not that I recall.
10:15<TCW>what purpose does this bot have here?
10:16<fred1>probably similar to dpkg
10:16<TCW>somehow I doubt that
10:16<abrotman>TCW: it used to be a dpkg backup .. it may soon serve a new purpose
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10:16<abrotman>ravenbird: netinst
10:16<ravenbird>netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
10:16<abrotman>TCW: see .. backup for dpkg
10:16<TCW>oh, apparently I was wrong then :)
10:16<TCW>abrotman, yeah... got it :)
10:17<fred1>just a bad coincedence that both my double-caret triggered it, and my 'wtf' response to what I thought was someone jumping into the conversation on a complete tangent was apparently also a trigger
10:17<abrotman>fred1: and FWIW .. you have been in a channel with ravenbird and the bot talks all the time .. so either you don't actually read anything on the screen (i've said that before) .. or you have the memory of a fish
10:17<abrotman>and in that channel for what .. six months ?
10:17<fred1>which channel would that be?
10:17<TCW>popcorn anone? :)
10:17<fred1>the only other channel I am on this server is debian-live, and I sure as hell havent been on there for six months..
10:18<abrotman>fred1: oh ignore me .. totally ignore me .. there's a fredl on another network that shares a channel with ravenbird .. my deepest apologies .. you're not the person i thought you were
10:18<abrotman>stupid fonts!
10:18<adis_>abrotman : thenks for your answer (and fred1 too)
10:19<abrotman>fred1: fredl is very similar! my fault .. don't hurt me!
10:19<fred1>Oh ok.. Had me thoroughly confused there for a minute
10:19<adb>i need to "upgrade" from ubuntu to debian ? (ubuntu was installed b/c debian-installer don't worked on playstation3) )
10:19<abrotman>adb: you don't
10:19<TCW>fred1, as long as he did not convince you... :)
10:19<fred1>adb, ubuntu and debian are entirely different distributions
10:19<abrotman>adb: /msg dpkg ps3
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10:20<TCW>PS3 is... what arch again?
10:20*abrotman feels pretty bad
10:20<abrotman>TCW: technically ppc
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10:20<fred1>abrotman, its ok, really
10:20<abrotman>no, it's not
10:21<TCW>ah, ok
10:21*abrotman runs away and never returns
10:21<fred1>!beer abrotman
10:21*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abrotman
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10:22<TCW>Franziskaner Hefeweizen? *lol* Apparently german bear does seem to be popular in the world after all :)
10:22<fred1>Or at least with dpkg
10:22<dpkg>[beer] liquid gold mate
10:22<abrotman>TCW: he also gives a beer from near where i live ..
10:23<TCW>!beer abrotman
10:23*dpkg pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abrotman
10:23<abrotman>(Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Gulden Drak|Bornem Tripple|Delirium Tremens|Franziskaner Hefeweizen)
10:23<abrotman>less: don't do that again
10:23<TCW>abrotman, apparently... worng :p
10:23<abrotman>(Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Gulden Drak|Bornem Tripple|Delirium Tremens|Franziskaner Hefeweizen)
10:24*abrotman wonders what the trigger is
10:24<abrotman>less: could you please turn off whatever dumb script that is
10:24<abrotman>fred1: oh, two i guess
10:24<fred1>abrotman, ?!
10:24<abrotman>two are near me
10:25<fred1>You have two beers near you? Or two of them are made near you?
10:25<metalqga>either way it's pretty cool
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10:25<abrotman>made near me
10:25*fred1 opts for a Pangalactic Gargleblaster, please
10:25<abrotman>hrm ..
10:26*fred1 comes back a year from last Tuesday, looking thoroughly windswept
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10:27<petemc>and interesting?
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10:44<wydgett>greetings all
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11:07<pt-debian>hello all
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11:18<pt-debian>any1 out there willing to talk about bug fixing?
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11:18<edhunter>pt-debian: i guess you need to be more specific..
11:19<pt-debian>well its more that im trying to do a project for uni in which i am to try anf fix some debian release critical bugs
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11:19<edhunter>nice project :)
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11:20<pt-debian>i have used fedora and ubuntu alot in the past but i decided to go for something new, ie debian
11:20<pt-debian>i have limited experience with alot of the packages in debian and thus this is my problem
11:20<pt-debian>im trying to stick most with packages that use C and C++
11:21<edhunter>shouldnt be too hard to find a few. and i guess most ubuntu packages are also in debian
11:21<edhunter>well all ubuntu packages are in debian except the ubuntu specific ones
11:22<pt-debian>same with fedora
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11:22<abrotman>pt-debian: so you want ot know where to find bugs to fix ?
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11:22<pt-debian>my point is looking at debians RC bug tracker im a little overwhelmed
11:23<pt-debian>its seems, well, a bit messy
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11:23<pt-debian>alot of bugs appear to have been fixed in new releases and people have attached patches
11:23<edhunter>well i guess the bug tracker is not designed to search by language :p
11:23<abrotman>pt-debian: there is a website ... let me find it
11:24<edhunter>pt-debian: i know slim is in C++ but dont think that it has any RC bugs
11:24<edhunter>i guess most lxde packages are also C/C++
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11:25<abrotman>pt-debian: you may also want to check #debian-bugs .. ask them how to claim a bug/submit patches/etc
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11:25<pt-debian>yeh already been onto debian-bugs, no responce from ne1
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11:31<mdmarmer>pt-debian: do you specifically need to fix bugs? might be more useful to find a package that no longer is maintained and needs to be adapted to recent kernels, etc.?
11:31<kamal>does pidgin support irc chat?
11:32<pt-debian>i was thinking of adobting some packages
11:32<creeed>I guess replying to bugsreports and fixing bugs in debian runs slowly than bye ubuntu community
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11:33<creeed>certainly it depends to their release rates
11:33<creeed>kamal, yes
11:35<kamal>i searched synaptic for flash; but didnt get any. what is the package for flash?
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11:36<pt-debian>its hard to follow the bug track system, i was thinking it would be better to adopt a few packages nd then focus on them, i guess u could call upgrading to latest kernel a "bug"?!
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11:37<edhunter>kamal: do you have contrib non-free enabled in your sources? package name is flashplugin-nonfree
11:37<kamal>edhunter: how can I check that? probably I don't have it.
11:38<edhunter>kamal: you need to look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:41<edhunter>"deb lenny main" -> "deb lenny main contrib non-free" should do it
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11:41<edhunter>then apt-get update or the aptitude equivalent and instll flash
11:42<kamal>edhunter: okay
11:42<abrotman>lenny doesn't have it .. he'll need
11:42<kamal>abrotman: and how to do that?
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11:43<edhunter>sorry didnt know that..
11:43<abrotman>kamal: see the instructdions at
11:43<kamal>abrotman: okay
11:43<abrotman>instructions even ...
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11:45<opticon>thanks for that edhunter something new to add to source list
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11:47<edhunter>opticon: not the best thing to add but needed sometimes ;)
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11:50<opticon>packages are not stable?
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11:51<edhunter>opticon: well packages are non-free or depend on non-free
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11:54<Hazel->i filed a bug to wnpp but (with reportbug) but i never recived the confirmation email
11:54<Hazel->is there any known problem?
11:55<abrotman>how long ago?
11:55<Hazel->las thursday
11:56<abrotman>Hazel-: you sure it didn't appear? you didn't get any confirmation at all?
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11:56<Hazel->at all
11:56<Hazel->maybe it is in the gmail's spam folder
11:56<Hazel->but i don't think so
11:57<Hazel->i filed 2 different bugs
11:57<abrotman>Hazel-: it's quite possible .. i had another mega-corp-webmail-spamfilter get the BTS stuff in its spam filter
11:57<Hazel->i'm wondering if i should try it again
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11:58<Hazel->viagra viagra...
11:59<abrotman>what? no watches?
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11:59<Hazel->but the package is not here
12:00<Hazel->so i think it wasn't filed at all
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12:00<abrotman>which package is it ?
12:00<Hazel->two "demanded" packages
12:00<Hazel->libsysactivity and Sentinella
12:01<abrotman>perhaps they did get lost .. that'd be bad
12:01<Hazel->i can try it again
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12:08<Xenguy>Hi - I'm running lenny/stable, and rkhunter has begun complaining about various items...
12:08<Xenguy>The latest is this error: Network TCP port 13000 is being used by /usr/bin/python2.5. Possible
12:08<Xenguy>+rootkit: Possible Universal Rootkit (URK) SSH server
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12:09<Xenguy>Has anyone else see this kind of report from rkhunter lately?
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12:09<Xenguy>(Googling is not turning up any clues for me)
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12:18<zeev>I have installed squeeze and now I get problems with mounting usb devices - once I plug my usb flash I get no icon in Gnome, and when I plug my N900 - I get 2 icons but clicking on them doesn't open the device... what's that?
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12:23<abrotman>zeev: are you in the plugdev group ?
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12:28<ray66>Why is freenode #Debian now showing as invite only
12:29<edhunter>ray66: i can get in..
12:30<zeev>abrotman: do I have myself manually?
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12:30<ray66>edhunter, In the last few days I continue getting the invite only message
12:30<abrotman>ray66: its not
12:31<abrotman>ray66: it's closed to non-registered people because of spammers
12:31<ray66>abrotman, Never had any problems before
12:31<cahoot>abrotman: autologin doesn't work
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12:31<cahoot>(for me)
12:32<abrotman>ray66: it's recent .. last few days
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12:32<ray66>abrotman, Thats correct about three days
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12:33<abrotman>so register
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12:34<ray66>abrotman, Thanks will try
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12:38<evilmight>Hello, if I want search a file in my Desktop, with regex... How can I do? example: I want a list of all Perl files in Desktop, I want use this regex for search /(.)\.pl/, how can I do?
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12:40<edhunter>evilmight: wouldnt something like ls ~/Desktop/*.pl work?
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12:41<evilmight>edhunter: yes
12:42<ravidgemole>edhunter: it's easier to do stuff with those files found with `find` than `ls` though.
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12:42<evilmight>edhunter: but, I want use a regex
12:43<edhunter>ravidgemole: true. i usually go for the simplest answer that comes to mind
12:43<edhunter>evilmight: the you should have a look at the link posted by cahoot
12:44<ravidgemole>...what's simpler than `find . -name *.plx` ? A few more letters? :-)
12:45<ravidgemole>and it gives you regex by using -regex instead of -name
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12:46<evilmight>sure, thanks
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12:51<Ancient>Hello all I am having trouble setting up a 6to4 gateway on my debian running kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 when i try to add a route for my tunnel i get "RTNETLINK answers:File exists" (ip route add ::/0 dev tun6to4)
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12:56<kamal>is there a gnome specific debian channel or should I put my questions here?
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12:56<dr|z3d>kamal: Here's a good start. If we can't help, we'll redirect you.
12:57<kamal>dr|z3d: thanks. well this is my first gnome experience so I might ask funny questions, that's why I asked.
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12:59<kamal>I used amarok in kde. Now in gnome, I don't know a decent music player. Amarok 1.4 seved all my needs starting from podcast to ipod sync. please suggest for gnome.
13:00<mase>you can keep amarok...
13:00<abrotman>kamal: rhythmbox and quodlibet are both nice IMO
13:00<abrotman>and if you just need a simple player, audacious is decent enough
13:00<kamal>mase: that will need some kde parts. I don't want any kde or qt.
13:01<kamal>abrotman: ipod sync capability?
13:01<bremner>kamal: unless you have extremely constrained resources or weird ideology, I suggest you resign yourself to having KDE libs installed
13:01<bremner>kamal: gtkpod
13:01<abrotman>kamal: AFAIK rhythmbox does that .. i don't own one
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13:03<kamal>bremner: kde has been crashing badly afte kde 4. I am not interested in it any more.
13:03<kamal>abrotman: I will check it then
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13:03<abrotman>kamal: another might be banshee (if you agree with mono)
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13:04<munga>the left button of my mouse is broken. how can I remap the left button to the central button ?
13:04<kamal>abrotman: no I don't agree with mono ;) I will keep audacious or rhythmbox
13:05<edhunter>kamal: then u must be doing something wrong cs kde4 works just fine here:)
13:05<abrotman>edhunter: i think kde4 ate your keyboard
13:06<abrotman>kamal: i know that the one time i plugged in my brother's ipod .. gnome tried to interact with it
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13:07<kamal>edhunter: I have used kde since 3.5.9 to 4.3 on opensuse and gentoo. its reduced in functionality and support. my system must still be having two crash reports for submission.
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13:08<Jowi>xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 2" (would be my guess)
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13:08<ravenbird>Jowi: Have you tried ?
13:08<edhunter>kamal: i have been running it since kde 4.2. sure i had my plasma crashes but nothing too serious. and yes some applications/functions are still missing but i dont really need those so im good
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13:10<Jowi>munga, or xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 3 2" (that is, right mouse button is in position 2 out of the 3 physical buttons
13:11<kamal>edhunter: well from 4.2 you can obviously say 4.3 is peaceful. for me however, things like amarok and k3b are in bad shape and far reduced. amarok 2 is nowhere close to 1.4 and k3b is just broken.
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13:11<edhunter>kamal: i stopped using amarok since amarok 2 came to sid and i was never happy with k3b. i use moc and wodim now (both console apps)
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13:12<kamal>edhunter: even wodim crashes at times. can't say about moc.
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13:14<edhunter>kamal: sure and if wodim crashes you can be sure that k3b will crash. moc also has problems from time to time but its much lighter than amarok and does what i need
13:15<kamal>edhunter: yeah
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13:20<dp_>what is the suggested method of having a script run on the detection of a USB drive?
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13:21<mase>? what do you mean?
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13:21<dp_>when a USB drive is plugged in, I want a script to run automatically
13:21<Jowi>dp_, you add the rule to /etc/udev/rules.d/
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13:23<dp_>Jowi: where's the best documentation for that, do you know?
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13:23<jorge>hi all
13:25<jorge>Did someone can setting sucesfully a mal clienta like evolution or thunderbird with exchange servers 2007?
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13:27<Jowi>dp_, the man pages are not very good. I did it by searching google for udev rules examples
13:27<dp_>ok, thanks
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13:29<munga>Jowi, thanks ! I'll give it a try
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14:03<ceres09>Saludos a toda la comunidad. Vengo a pediros consejo. Deseo instalarme un MTA en mi Lenny. ¿Cuál me recomendais para un principiante en el tema de los servicios de correos? ¿Sendmail o exim4? Gracias.
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14:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:06<ceres09>OK! thanks!! Bye.
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14:08<soopos>What is wrong in PGP-Encrypting my trusted key at ?
14:08<vinicius>how can i request always the same dhcp ip from a server?
14:09<cahoot>your own server?
14:09<vinicius>cahoot, yes
14:09<vinicius>cahoot, no i mean... sorry
14:09<dr|z3d>vinicius: Configure the server to assign a static ip by mac address.
14:10<dr|z3d>*static dhcp lease
14:10<vinicius>dr|z3d, is that possible in a dlink modem?
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14:10<cahoot>vinicius: then I think you need speak to your ISP
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14:10<dr|z3d>vinicius: It's entirely possible. Have a look.
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14:10<vinicius>cahoot, in an internal network
14:10<vinicius>dr|z3d, ok
14:11<dr|z3d>vinicius: Otherwise, perhaps just forget dhcp altogether and assign the net adapter a static ip.
14:12<vinicius>dr|z3d, in /etc/network/interfaces you mean?
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14:14<vinicius>dr|z3d, how do you call this action? (suggest a term for the adsl modem menu) ...
14:14<dr|z3d>vinicius: There, or via your network manager ui.
14:14<vinicius>dr|z3d, you know... this menu here is really complicated
14:15<dr|z3d>It's called a "static lease" or similar.
14:15<vinicius>dr|z3d, ok... thanks
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14:17<Jowi>vinicius, if it's a d-link modem+router you can (as the di804). if it's a modem only then you need to talk to your ISP.
14:17<vinicius>Jowi, its a modem+router... thanks
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14:18<dpkg>hello, santa_
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14:19<Jowi>vinicius, it's usuallly in the "home" and then "DHCP" submenu of the router.
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14:19<vinicius>Jowi, its not there
14:19<Jowi>which model do you have?
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14:20<santa_>tell santa_ about aptitude
14:20<santa_>!tell santa_ about aptitude
14:20<sney`>just /msg dpkg
14:20<santa_>ty sney
14:21<vinicius>Jowi, 2640B
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14:22<vinicius>Jowi, it's a wireless one
14:22<abrotman>vinicius: lspci -nn ? or is it usb ?
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14:23<vinicius>abrotman, it's ethernet served
14:23<ealadhach>buenas tardes tod@s
14:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:23<abrotman>vinicius: lspci -nn .. show us the line for the device in question
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14:24<vinicius>00:12.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] [1106:3065] (rev 74) ??
14:25<abrotman>should work with the via-rhine driver
14:25<vinicius>abrotman, humn...
14:26<vinicius>abrotman, i just cant get the option on this menu
14:26<vinicius>abrotman, its quire weird
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14:26<abrotman>menu ?
14:26<vinicius>what happens is that i set the ip in the interfaces file, and it gets the ip quite well, but doesnt access the internet
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14:29<vinicius>abrotman, the adsl modem menu
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14:29<vinicius>abrotman, i want the computer to get always the same ip on this network
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14:30<Jowi>vinicius, (page 33)
14:30<mase>vinicius have you set default route to the modem/router
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14:31<vinicius>Jowi, the manual specifies a client-side solution for windows xp on page 71
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14:32<vinicius>mase no
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14:32<vinicius>Jowi, thanks anyway
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14:34<Jowi>no, it states how to set up static assigned dhcp on the router side.
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14:35<vinicius>Jowi, sorry, but where?
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14:35<mase>vinicius and don't forgett to check the nameserver entry ;)
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14:36<vinicius>Jowi, the menu is different
14:36<vinicius>Jowi, very different
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14:37<Jowi>call d-link and ask then :)
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14:37<vinicius>Jowi, aff... thanks
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14:41<zeev>I just installed squeeze with gnome - here the double click on my mouse pad doesn't work... is it a bug or can I set it somewhere to function properly?
14:42<mase>hmm, wasn't this a xorg.conf issue?
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14:43<mase>tried GSynaptics?
14:43<abrotman>zeev: gsynatpics
14:43<mase>...never saw it, just asking...
14:44<abrotman>mase: or read the man page for synaptics to add it to youtr xorg.conf
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14:44<zeev>what's that?
14:45<zeev>it doesn't seem to be a command...
14:45<mase>its a gui, you have to install it
14:45<zeev>at least I don't have it...
14:45<zeev>a ok...
14:45<zeev>one sec...
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14:52<Ikar>всех приветствую:)
14:52<adis_>i m trying to up the usb connection and take this from dmesg
14:53<adis_>any idea??? it look like to me as a driver bug
14:53<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:53<Ikar>есть кто русский
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14:54<retrospectacus>here's a fun story! My laptop runs squeeze. I have it set to "when on battery power, when the lid is closed, sleep". This works fine. However, when I open the lid, it comes back into the session, then immediately goes back to sleep. Then I press power to wake it up. It gets back and then immediately hibernates! Then I power it on and it resumes successfully, then immediately sleeps again. Then I press power and it wakes and stays on properly. It's rea
14:54<abrotman>retrospectacus: you got cut off
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14:57<retrospectacus>it sleeps properly, then wakes, sleeps, I wake it, it hibernates. I resume it, it sleeps. I wake it and it stays on with no problem
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14:58<isikarianto_>cool story bro
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14:58<retrospectacus>basically when it successfully resumes, it immediately sleeps or hibernates again, in a certain order
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15:02<retrospectacus>on - manual sleep - wake - mystery sleep - wake - mystery hibernate - resume - mystery sleep - wake - stays on
15:03<retrospectacus>any ideas of logs or files I should look at?
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15:03<mase>had something compareable, too
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15:04<mase>i think, the "acpi-button-pressed"-signal (when trying to resume) was send to the resumed machine again, which caused it to go to suspend again.
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15:05<mase>have you tried to set "not suspend" on button pressed?
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15:06<retrospectacus>I have "ask what to do" for button pressed. Sleep is activated only when "lid closed, on battery power".
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15:06<mase>hm, ok
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15:07<retrospectacus>it behaves the same whether it's on AC or battery, and the lid is open the whole time. The first wakeup is caused by opening the lid.
15:07<ges>Hey I just reinstalled Debian Lenny on my laptop and I'm trying to get firefox to work (Iceweasel won't work with Problem being I keep getting "Server not found" errors in firefox only. Any ideas on how to fix this? I remember I has this issue last time but it was so long ago I forget how I went about resolving it.
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15:12<cahoot>ges: not simply set to off-line?
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15:12<ges>cahoot: Heh, I'll double check :3
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15:13<ges>cahoot: Work Offline is not checked if that's the reference you were making.
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15:13<mase>ges proxy set up?
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15:14<ges>mase: JUST check a second ago lol. Nope.
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15:14<ges>Set to "No proxy."
15:14<tuxcrafter>hi all i am getting this error on an debian stable machine and it is scaring the crap out of me :D
15:14<tuxcrafter>ssh: relocation error: /usr/lib/ symbol krb5_hmac, version k5crypto_3_MIT not defined in file with link time reference
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15:14<heffay>I've tried installing squeeze 3 times and I keep getting an error at boot that says grub couldn't look up the symbol grub_getcharwidth. How do I fix this?
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15:15<tuxcrafter>i already did an dpkg-reconfigure libk5crypto3 libkrb53
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15:15<tuxcrafter>and a sudo aptitude reinstall libk5crypto3 libkrb53
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15:17<tuxcrafter>i also did an ldconfig -v
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15:19<ges>cahoot | mase: I don't see anything about iptables or ipchains on my system. There isn't a firewall with the default debian desktop install is there? (I selected Desktop, Desktop Environment, and Base System during the installation.)
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15:20<Pitxyoki>ges, did you try using a proxy?
15:20<Pitxyoki>Your ISP might be blocking that site.
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15:21<ges>Pitxyoki: Nah that wouldn't be it. It was working fine before I reinstalled and the site is
15:22<Pitxyoki>Didn't you say it was
15:22<ges>I fixed it.
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15:22<ges>No I mean I don't use Iceweasel because of
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15:22<ges>I know people tend to get flamed for using firefox
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15:22<Pitxyoki>Iceweasel if Firefox.
15:23<ges>Anyway I fixed it. I needed to disable IPv6 in about:config
15:23<cahoot>ges can you connect using the IP?
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15:23<Pitxyoki>The only difference is the name and logo.
15:23<ges>I understand it is but for some reason Iceweasel will fail to load some flash objects.
15:23<tuxcrafter>somebody that can shed some light on my ssh relocaton error?
15:23<ges>Debian also adds in a few security patches here and there.
15:23<evilmight>Pitxyoki, and useragent :)
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15:23<Pitxyoki>evilmight, yep, that's what I was going to say.
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15:23<Pitxyoki>But for that you have user agent switcher.
15:23<santa_>hi, wat's the command to create an image from cdrom?
15:23<Pitxyoki>No need to install stuff from out of the repos.
15:24<Pitxyoki>I never had problems with flash...
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15:24<ges>I'd gladly use iceweasel if it worked with Playlist as I use it religiously. :3
15:24<Pitxyoki>Except for the 100%-CPU consumption.
15:24<ges>Try it does playlist work for you? Maybe it's me.
15:24<Pitxyoki>But that's transversal to the browser and even OS.
15:24<ges>the player never loads.
15:24<Pitxyoki>The player told me that there are restrictions for my country.
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15:25<santa_>what's the command to create an image from cdrom?
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15:27<ges>santa_: I'm a noob but I think it's with dd. I'd google around with it if no one else can help.
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15:27<ges>Anyway thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it. Have a good one! :D
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15:36<otakup0pe>hey anyone who can answer some debian package newb questions ?
15:36<otakup0pe>tar: ./md5sums: file changed as we read it
15:36<santa__>how do i create an image through CLI in debian...?
15:36<otakup0pe>i get this every time i try making a custom package.
15:36<otakup0pe>i followed the 'new maintainers' guide but i must be missing something
15:36<raylu>santa__: you mean an ISO?
15:37<santa__>yes... raylu
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15:37<azeem_>otakup0pe: which command are you running when you get this?
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15:38<otakup0pe> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, debuild, fakeroot debian/rules binary
15:38<evilmight>there is a program for look the ASCII Char ?
15:38<otakup0pe>they all error out at the same place
15:38<raylu>evilmight: man ascii
15:38<evilmight>raylu, thanks
15:38<azeem_>otakup0pe: pastebin the whole output to
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15:40<evilmight>man: can't execute most: No such file or directory man: command exited with status 65280: most What is this errors?
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15:40<santa__>ty raylu
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15:44<azeem_>otakup0pe: did you try fixing the clock skew firsT?
15:45<otakup0pe>ugh i didn't even notice that
15:48<otakup0pe>same thing
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15:52<otakup0pe>oh heh. i guess it was samba :(
15:53<otakup0pe>note to self : don't do that
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15:54<Craighton>how do I make apt-get not try to use the DVD?
15:55<adb>apt-cdrom add
15:55<azeem_>Craighton: remove the relevant line from /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update
15:55<Craighton>ok thanks
15:55<adb>hm , forget
15:56<Craighton>not even the right password
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16:16<Hazel->i can't send bugs to wnpp
16:16<Hazel->i use reportbug
16:16<Hazel->three times
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16:17<Hazel->two of them some days ago
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16:17<Hazel->but i didn't recive the email
16:17<Hazel->and the bug is still not filed
16:17<Hazel->any known issue?
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16:23<abrotman>it's a bug or WNPP ?
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16:25<Hazel->abrotman: wnpp
16:25<Hazel->but you have to file it as a bug
16:26<Hazel->according to this page
16:26<abrotman>i'm aware .. i just wanted to make sure you weren't filing a WNPP on an existing package
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16:27<Hazel->but i guess that even it was duplicated i should recive the email...
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16:31<unlisted>how 'nice' of you to say that
16:31<Hazel->abrotman: any idea?
16:32<abrotman>Hazel-: try from another account?
16:32<nice>Anyone using Xchat?
16:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:32<dioz>how can i get ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel without sit0 support ?
16:32<dr|z3d>!tell nice about smart questions
16:33<nice>Did I ask that?
16:33<nice>No, anyone using xchat?
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16:33<dioz>xchat is for noobs
16:33<dioz>are you a noob ?
16:33<dr|z3d>> (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)
16:33<nice>and you think irssi is for advanced users
16:33*nice laughs
16:33<dr|z3d>!tell nice about popcorn
16:33<dioz>i use bitchx
16:33<dr|z3d>!tell nice about popcon
16:34<nice>!tell dr|z3d about being a dick
16:34<unlisted>bitchx here
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16:34<dr|z3d>You haven't taken the hint.. if you want help, state your question, nice.
16:34<nice>I don't need help.
16:34<ravidgemole>nice: Their point is that "does anyone use ____?" is a question that you can get answered by popcorn stats. If you are having a problem with the package, then just state your problem and ask for help.
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16:35<abrotman>nice: ask a real question, don't take polls
16:35<dioz>don't smoke polls
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16:36<evilmight>what is the file to change for replace ascii char?
16:36<abrotman>iconv ?
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16:40<dioz>that nice guy was a angry fellow
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16:57<SeRgIoV>hello everyone
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17:12<AddSence>so it works!
17:13<AddSence>i have quation about php, is it right place?
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17:14<Supaplex>#php would be my first haphazard guess
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17:15<AddSence>that way my first attempt, but it seems that no one is answering there, how long it usually takes to get an answer here?
17:15<raylu>have you considered #php on freenode?
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17:16<AddSence>I'll try it now, cheers!
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17:25<eightyei1ht>Supaplex: what's up?
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17:27<heffay>can someone please help me figure out what's wrong with my lvm. i cant boot into my system.
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17:28<stroyan_>heffay: What do you think you did in between reboots?
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17:32<heffay>I was reinstalling the system. I have one logical volume for my root and another for my home so using the installer to reformat and install to root as never been a problem.
17:32<heffay>I've also added a new physical volume to the VG but I'm not sure that would mess anything up.
17:33<eightyei1ht>heffay: did the installer reformat the drive? or did you rebuild the lvm?
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17:33<heffay>I don't think I rebuilt it. All I did was extend the VG
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17:34<eightyei1ht>you said, when you were reinstalling the system, and you used the installed to reformat and install to root
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17:34<heffay>right, the root logical volume
17:35<heffay>the installer kept giving me fatal errors when trying to install grub also
17:35<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>Hey guys! Anyone build OGRE successfully - drop me a line, would be much appreciated. I seem to have run out of guesses.
17:35<heffay>I've installed lilo instead and pointed it at my vmlinuz and my initrd but its telling me there is no path to them
17:36<eightyei1ht>heffay: so, you reinstalled the root volume? a clean install?
17:36<heffay>yes a clean install
17:37<heffay>i used busybox to mount the lv and verify the path so i could pass it to lilo. but now when I look in /dev everything is gone
17:38<stroyan_>heffay: Do you use a /boot partition that is not on a LVM and pivot to a / partition that is on a LVM volume?
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17:40<heffay>By default the installer made a 255MB primary partition on one physical drive I assume as a MBR and the rest of the drive is a logical partition for lvm.
17:42<stroyan_>heffay: Perhaps you are pointing lilo to initrd and kernel in the wrong place. Are you pointing to the files in /boot?
17:43<heffay>no not in /boot
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17:44<stroyan_>heffay: I usually need to point to an initrd/vmlinux in /boot that has been created to have LVM support. Without that the / volume is not mountable.
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17:45<heffay>ill try that
17:45<stroyan_>heffay: You may benefit from reading ""
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17:46<stroyan_>heffay: That URL discusses making an initrd that knows how to see LVM volumes. It is pretty common to make a mistake and end up with an initrd that doesn't have lvm support.
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17:47<heffay>same error
17:47<heffay>unable to find volume, invalid path
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17:50<chefman>I need some help troble shooting an issues I am having with my mouse freezing when i am using Compiz or Iceweasel. I think it may be an issues with my GTK.
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17:54<heffay>My LVs vanish into thin air
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17:55<heffay>I'm looking in /dev/mapper and none of them are there.
17:57<stroyan_>heffay: What does the 'vgscan' command report?
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18:00<heffay>busybox doesnt have that tool. crap i need a rescue disk now.
18:01<stroyan_>heffay: I suspect that you always did need a rescue disk. Now you know that. ;-)
18:01<heffay>rescue mode on the installer disk should have those tools right?
18:01<heffay>if i drop into a shell
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18:05<heffay>ok vgscan identifies my vg
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18:06<isikarianto_>heffay: I hate times like those
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18:07<chefman>I need some help trouble shooting an issue I am having with my mouse freezing, then my entire system, when I am using Compiz or Iceweasel. My friend thinks it may be an issue with my GTK.
18:07<heffay>lv shows all 3 active lvs
18:07<heffay>lvscan shows*
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18:08<uzytkownik>Hi! Do you know how to configure Vhosts on Apache?
18:08<dr|z3d>uzytkownik: Plenty of docs online to help you with that.
18:08<dr|z3d>!gfi uzytkownik configure+apache+vhosts
18:09<dr|z3d>!fgi uzytkownik configure+apache+vhosts
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18:09<uzytkownik>i wouldnt asked you if i knew how to do this with all these manuals in the internet
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18:10<dkr>uzytkownik: Check or out to see some examples
18:11<lee_lvd>Hello can any one help me with a localhost problem
18:11<fossiiil>rtfm -rf /
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18:13*dr|z3d laughs.
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18:13<lee_lvd>does any one know how to configure my localhost
18:13<dr|z3d>Translation: "I wouldn't ask you if I could be bothered to read"
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18:13<lee_lvd>I am clue less
18:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:14<dr|z3d>lee_lvd: Tell us what you're trying to do.
18:14<dr|z3d>We're as clueless as you, in that regard.
18:14*dr|z3d winks.
18:14<lee_lvd>It ask for a username and password I do not remember setting one
18:14<lee_lvd>it does not take my login nor my root login
18:15*themill wonders what "it" is
18:15<lee_lvd>what command would I use to reset it
18:15<heffay>How could I have goofed the initrd? The installer takes care of all that.
18:15<lee_lvd>user name and password
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18:16<dr|z3d>lee_lvd: Are you talking about trying to login via the GDM "greeter" application?
18:16<lee_lvd>when I direct the browser to localhost I am asked for a user name and password
18:16<lee_lvd>for my local web page
18:17<lee_lvd>I have no ideal what they are, and I don't remember setting them
18:17<chefman>I need some help trouble shooting an issue I am having with my mouse freezing, then my entire system, when I am using Compiz or Iceweasel. My friend thinks it may be an issue with my GTK.
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18:18<themill>lee_lvd: we don't have the benefit of looking over your shoulder to see what you're doing. You really need to describe your problem more fully and tell us what on earth you're doing.
18:18<lee_lvd>ok sorry
18:18<lee_lvd>i am new to that and the IRC
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18:18<fossiiil>dude, IRC has been here for some time already
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18:19<lee_lvd>I am trying to open the web page on my debian machine with a browser, when I type the address of localhost I get a prompt for a user name and password, can you tell me how to reset them?
18:19<fossiiil>what have you installed?
18:20<fossiiil>some blog?
18:20<azeem_>lee_lvd: there's no other text than "username" and "password"?
18:20<lee_lvd>nothing yet what ever the default install is
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18:20<azeem_>what does the browser window title say?
18:20<lee_lvd>good question brb
18:20<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>lee_lvd, when you type "localhost" in your browser and get something in return that you installed some web server there
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18:21<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>what do you expect when you type "localhost" in your browser anyway?
18:21<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>Guys, anyone build OGRE successfully - drop me a line, would be much appreciated. I seem to have run out of guesses.
18:22<heffay>oh thank god
18:22<heffay>it booted
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18:22<stroyan_>heffay: Time to make back up ? ;-)
18:22<heffay>Still no idea what the problem is. I just reinstalled grab to /dev/sda1 and it fired right up
18:23<lee_lvd>I am asumming that it is apache2
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18:23<themill>lee_lvd: there is no default web page in the default install, you must have installed something else beyond that. What did you install?
18:23<lee_lvd>and now it is giving me a no page
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18:23<fossiiil>lee_lvd: cannot be plain apache2...must me some application running on apache2
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18:23<fossiiil>something that needs http authentization
18:24<lee_lvd>nothing yet
18:24<lee_lvd>how do i find out what that is?
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18:24<fossiiil>lee_lvd: try to peek inside /var/www
18:25<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>netstat -tlnp | grep ":80"
18:25<jmarsden>lee_lvd: netstat -ntlp | grep :80 # will show you what process is listening on TCP port 80... may be apache2, maybe something else...
18:25<fossiiil>i think it's apache2 webserver running some software(blog, cms, ...)
18:26<lee_lvd>when i went to that dir I found a file index.html
18:27<lee_lvd>and when I open it up it all it showed me was IT WORKS!
18:28<lee_lvd>yet when i tried to get it with localhost it wants the user and password
18:28<lee_lvd>well it did
18:28<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>dude how did you even make it in here?
18:28<lee_lvd>some how i broke that in the last 20 minutes
18:28<lee_lvd>it was not easy
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18:30<lee_lvd>nothing shows up for port 80
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18:32<lee_lvd>I missedtyped that it should be
18:33<fossiiil>8081? some proxy?
18:33<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>try: netstat -tlnp | grep ":80"
18:33<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>should give you a single line
18:34<lee_lvd>the line reads "tcp 0 0* listen 3894/mono
18:34<lee_lvd>as that is not 80 it should not be the problem right
18:35<simonrvn>some mono based process....
18:35<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>you tried with quotes around :80 ?
18:35<lee_lvd>again that is all i get
18:36<wnd>iirc privoxy's default port is 8118
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18:36<simonrvn>it is
18:36<lee_lvd>I am on a windows machine to talk on here
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18:36<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>i dont get it tbh
18:37<fossiiil>cat /etc/services|grep 8081
18:37<fossiiil>tproxy 8081/tcp # Transparent Proxy
18:37<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>when he types localhost in his browser it should look for something on 80 port imho
18:37<fossiiil>is it Squid in transparent config?
18:37<wnd>fossiiil, useless use of cat ;-)
18:37<simonrvn>getent services 8081
18:37<simonrvn>!uuoc fossiiil
18:37*dpkg hands fossiiil the "useless use of cat" award
18:38<fossiiil>dpkg: :-)
18:38<dpkg>i don't know, fossiiil
18:38<lee_lvd>i installed this a few weeks ago, I am learning by trial and error
18:38<fossiiil>use fuser
18:38<lee_lvd>maybe I need to start apache2?
18:39<lee_lvd>how do i do that?
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18:40<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>you'd need to install it first
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18:40<critical>Hello I need some help guys :)
18:40<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>oh hai me too :P
18:41<critical>Does anyone know, where to edit the Eterm standart configuration?
18:41<lee_lvd>Sorry i have to go i have an inturuption for now
18:41<dr|z3d>lee_lvd: If something else is listening on port 80, you need to either ensure it isn't or configure apache to listen on an alternative port.
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18:42<critical>hm no one? :D
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18:43<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>tried google yet?
18:44<kenyon>critical: try the documentation?
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18:44<dr|z3d>Google is your friend.
18:44<heffay>OMFG it doesn't want to boot again
18:44<critical>thank you
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18:46<heffay>took me right into grub rescue
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18:47<heffay>error symbol grub_term_outputs_disabled not found
18:49<critical>maybe this will help you
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18:51<heffay>already there and they are not mentioning anything about lvm there
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18:55<critical>came the problem after installing any packets?
18:55<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>he made a clean install on /root
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18:55<mib_ijiur9n2z8mp>grub & lvm went kaputt
18:56<critical>went kaputt? :)
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18:57<heffay>I give ujjp
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18:58<critical>apt-get remove gnome, than reinstall will work maybe
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19:02<critical>omg grub ^^
19:02<dr|z3d>critical: removing is superfluous unless you're purging settings etc if you're performing a _reinstall_.
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19:04<critical>thought he can remove the pack. then reinstall it..
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19:07<heffay>reinstalling grub from the rescue disk got it to boot again
19:07<heffay>i dont really think that's a fix though
19:07<heffay>im trying to figure out why this is happeneing at all
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20:16<sam_>please help! I am new to this OS Debian GNU/Linux. Anyway, I install Windxp and Debian GNU/Linux as a dual boot after compted I install Grub. However, after rebooted, there was no WindowsXP presented. I am sure there an easy answer to this problem those of you are guru with this os. Thanks for your help Sam
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20:28<ml|>sam_: this should help /msg dpkg dual boot guide amd/or /msg dpkg fixmbr
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20:30<sam_>are you suggesting that i type that command at the command line and how do i get there?
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20:31<ml|>in your irc client
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20:32<sam_>you mean here where i am typing?
20:33<ml|>yes both /msg ...
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20:33<ml|>you should see a new tab or window from dpkg
20:34<sam_>ok thanks
20:34<ml|>np, dpkg is very helpful
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20:34<Supaplex>eightyei1ht: huh?
20:35<ml|>sam_: that sould help, if not ask again; I would help but I don't dual boot
20:36<HardwareFreak>I just created a new partition on my sata disk. I'd like to format it now without rebooting. How do I "rescan" the SATA disk so the partition shows up under /dev/sdaX
20:37<sam_>ok thanks
20:39<ml|>HardwareFreak: how did you partition?
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20:40<HardwareFreak>mi|: cfdisk. I wrote the partition and exited. fdisk -l shows the partition as /dev/sda7, but the partition doesn't show up under /dev/sdaX
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20:42<HardwareFreak>mi|: this is a production system. I'd left 350GB of the 500GB disk free. I just created a 100GB partition for use as a samba share. I'm trying to format it but the partition doesn't show in /dev, only the current 6 partitions show up.
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20:42<sney`>it should just know, but maybe if you restarted udev? I've never seen a partition not show up in /dev after writing a new partition table
20:43<sney`>that'd be /etc/init.d/udev restart
20:43<HardwareFreak>mi|: shouldn't this new partition automatically show up under /dev/ as sda7?
20:43<sney`>I think you're trying to highlight ml|
20:44<HardwareFreak>sney`: any downside to restarting udev? will that break anything?
20:44<ml|>after partitioning you should be able to create the fs you want /dev/... , but try what sney` is saying
20:44<sney`>it won't break anything
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20:45<HardwareFreak>sney`: restarting udev didn't help
20:45<sney`>well I don't know, it's a new one to me. it should Just Work (tm)
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20:45<ml|>I never had to do anything after partitioning iirc, just mkfs.*
20:46<HardwareFreak>sney`: I'm using a custom kernel. I'm sure I could have forgotten something. Is there a SCSI hotswap option in make menuconfig I missed that is needed for this?
20:46<sney`>you could probably make the new /dev entry manually, but you'd have to know the proper major and minor numbers for it
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20:47<sney`>HardwareFreak: heh, that's why you start from the debian config
20:47<sney`>instead of from scratch
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20:47<sney`>HardwareFreak: what does ls -l /dev/sda* show?
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20:49<HardwareFreak>sney~: I use source. But I can't recall having this problem before. I probably accidentally removed something during my last kernel config session.
20:49<eightyei1ht>Supaplex: just sayin' hi
20:49<flagger>Hi, I have a problem with spam on postfix....
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20:50<sney`>HardwareFreak: please answer the question
20:50<HardwareFreak>sney`: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 Jan 18 19:09 /dev/sda
20:50<sney`>the * was there for a reason, chief
20:50<flagger>I set up amavis and spamassassin to tag all messages as spam and that works, but in our virtual aliases list, we forward to other domains and so we end up sending mail tagged as spam to other do I stop this?
20:50<HardwareFreak>sney`: I'm wary of pasting 7 lines
20:50<HardwareFreak>hang on
20:51<sney`>that's what is for
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20:51<kenyon>flagger: why would you tag all messages as spam?
20:52<flagger>so that the users' procmailrcs can do whatevery they want with them
20:52<HardwareFreak>sney`: patience dear helper :)
20:52<ml|>HardwareFreak: are you sure it's sda?
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20:52<HardwareFreak>ml|: yes, no doubt. Only one sata disk in the machine (only 1 disk period)
20:52<sney`>HardwareFreak: mknod /dev/sda7 b 8 7
20:53<sney`>thank goodness for sequential minor numbers
20:53<ml|>seems wierd no?
20:53<HardwareFreak>sney`: aakk! brw-r--r-- 1 root root 8, 7 Jan 18 19:52 /dev/sda7
20:53<sney`>it's very weird
20:54<HardwareFreak>sney`: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 1 Jan 15 08:28 /dev/sda1
20:54<sney`>so change the permissions, you know how to do that
20:54<sney`>the mkfs should work regardless of mode/ownership
20:54<HardwareFreak>sney~: not really. I'm horrible with *nix permissions
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20:55<kenyon>and why are you using a custom kernel then?
20:55<sney`>read the man pages for chown and chmod
20:55<HardwareFreak>sney`: understood. And this will change automatically on next reboot anyway, correct?
20:55<sney`>should do
20:55<flagger>kenyon: I believe that the users should have the ability to choose what they want to do with their mail, but the users with other domains on the virtual aliases list don't have a procmailrc to send the spam to /dev/null
20:55<ml|>chown root:disk /dev/sda7 if it's sda7
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20:56<kenyon>flagger: ok, but why would you mark ALL mail as spam?
20:56<sney`>and chmod g-w /dev/sda7 for the other part
20:56<isikarianto_>I never try asking for live help. Always read my way to a solution.
20:56<sney`>isikarianto_: whatchoo doin in IRC then?
20:56<flagger>kenyon: no, I get spamassassin to rate it and mark some of the mail as spam
20:56<kenyon>flagger: that's not what you said originally.
20:56<flagger>kenyon: My mistake, mistyped
20:57<ml|>sney`: ah, didn't notice that, good catch :)
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20:57<sney`>HardwareFreak: and did the format work?
20:57<HardwareFreak>sney`: no, I'm rebooting. Fuck it.
20:57<ml|>hah, waste of time ;)
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20:58<HardwareFreak>that machine reboots in like 12 seconds flat.
20:58<sney`>I wanted to know if you can still mknod your way to success :|
20:58<HardwareFreak>should have just rebooted to start with.
20:58<HardwareFreak>but I wanted to do it the "right" way if possible.
20:58<ml|>yep, I would liked too know if sney` would work also
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20:59<sney`>I did it in 2.4 a couple times but that was forever ago
20:59<ml|>HardwareFreak: you where a couple of commands away ;)
20:59<HardwareFreak>that functionality is provided by the hotplug driver which I left out, assuming it only related to hot plug hardware, of which I have none.
20:59<sney`>home stretch, really
21:00<sney`>you have SATA
21:00<sney`>and USB, presumably
21:00<sney`>both technically hotplug
21:00<HardwareFreak>yes sata, no usb
21:00<ml|>so it's ok now?
21:00<HardwareFreak>if it rebooted
21:00<sney`>you mean, nothing connected to usb?
21:00<sney`>oh it's a remote system?
21:01<HardwareFreak>sney`: no, i mean no usb support in the kernel.
21:01<sney`>you didn't come over here from gentoo by any chance did you
21:01<ml|>HardwareFreak: do you have a need for custom kernel? why just use debian kernel?
21:01<ml|>why not*
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21:02<HardwareFreak>I love when people ask that over and over and over with no background.
21:02<sney`>because - and this is an educated guess - he wanted a smaller kernel image so he'd have ram to spare that wasn't taken up by kernel stuff he wasn't using.
21:02<abrotman>HardwareFreak: so tell us .. you obviously have a good reason, he's just curious
21:02<sney`>that's usually why people do custom kernels and then take stuff out like USB, hotplug, etc
21:02<HardwareFreak>sney`: and faster booting, and no need for an initrd
21:02<abrotman>you just want to rescan the scsi bus ?
21:03*abrotman glances at the backscroll
21:03<HardwareFreak>In addition to being a hardwarefreak, I'm also a bit of an efficiency freak
21:03<HardwareFreak>abrotman: I got it already, rebooted.
21:03<abrotman>well, that's not efficient
21:03<kenyon>have you measured the differences between your custom setup and a default setup?
21:03<sney`>making the /dev file was efficient, but it was also *scary*
21:04<HardwareFreak>abrotman: I missed something in my kernel config that allows /dev/sdX assignment automatically after creating a new partition
21:04<ml|>HardwareFreak: heh, just make sure you add the fs's needed and anything else
21:04<abrotman>so uh .. what problem are we trying to solve ?
21:04<sney`>it is probably done now
21:04<ml|>but if it's a server I'd just use debian's kernel
21:05<sney`>did the device show back up HardwareFreak
21:05<HardwareFreak>ml|: I added ext3 and xfs last time 'round. Just a few days ago, in prep for this new partition.
21:05<HardwareFreak>sney`: of course
21:05<kenyon>these kinds of problems really kill your efficiency
21:05<sney`>he is learning, though
21:05<ml|>yeah doe not hurt to learn
21:05<HardwareFreak>kenyon: I'm laughing while slapping you. That was actually funny.
21:05<abrotman>HardwareFreak: do you need help or not?
21:05<sney`>it probably took me about 10 tries to get the kernel config thing really down pat
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21:06<ml|>sney`: yeah it can take a while if you over look stuff or forget
21:06<HardwareFreak>abrotman: I think I've got that part under control after the reboot. Got any pointers/examples for "best" format and mounting for a 100GB xfs samba share? Lots of small files mostly.
21:06<ml|>I don't bother any nore abd just use debian kernel
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21:07<abrotman>HardwareFreak: then i probably wouldn't use xfs
21:07<sney`>yeah, for lots of small files I'd use ext3 with a 1024 inode size
21:07<abrotman>block size?
21:08<HardwareFreak>sney`: I've got the process down pat. I just don't know what all functions are hidden in places where the descriptions really don't match the function.
21:08<HardwareFreak>abrotman: why do you say that?
21:08<abrotman>HardwareFreak: when say small .. how small is small ?
21:08<sney`>just because you know what the buttons do, doesn't mean you've really got it. trust me. you'll know when you know
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21:09<abrotman>like 5MB files, or 50MB files or .5MB files ?
21:09<HardwareFreak>abrotman: honestly? pr0n. lots of jpegs, pdfs, typical user files. Occasional mpeg files.
21:09<ml|>ext4 should do a better job, no?
21:09<abrotman>ml|: no
21:09<ml|>ok, why?
21:09<abrotman>HardwareFreak: average size of a file .. just take a guess ?
21:10<sney`>from what he said I'm ballparking 2MB
21:10<HardwareFreak>abrotman: less than a meg
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21:11<abrotman>HardwareFreak: you can try to make the block size 1024 .. not sure if that'll work to make a 100GB FS or not
21:11<HardwareFreak>abrotman: just double checked. Over 95% of the files will be under 1MB
21:11<abrotman>and yes, i'd still use ext3
21:11<HardwareFreak>abrotman: any downside to just "mkfs.xfs -L samba /dev/sda7" ?
21:12<abrotman>ml|: ext4 still has issues, i wouldn't put it anywhere near data i value
21:12<abrotman>HardwareFreak: yeah .. not reading the man page for starters
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21:12<sney`>hey, if he was into reading man pages they'd call him SoftwareFreak
21:13<ml|>abrotman: ok, from my usage I have not had any issues, tho there have being some regressions lately
21:13<HardwareFreak>abrotman: I already have. But as you and I both know, man pages are worth a shit for recommendations. Man tells you what the parameters and switches are, but not which ones are appropriate when and under what circumstances.
21:13<ml|>sney`: hah
21:13<HardwareFreak>that's why I asked, since it'll be my first xfs filesystem
21:13<abrotman>right .. so you didn't read it ..
21:13<sney`>anyway, as l33t as it may seem, XFS's primary strengths are disk-to-disk transfer and handling big files, which is not what you're doing in either case
21:13<abrotman>i already told you to use ext3 .. so did someone else
21:14*abrotman seconds sney` on the large file bit
21:14<HardwareFreak>abrotman: yes, I did. And I googled for 30 minutes before coming to #debian
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21:14<kenyon>do you have hardware that is capable of saturating the I/O system? or a workload where filesystem tuning matters?
21:15<sney`>if you want to be different for the sake of being different, JFS is also a fair choice for a file server
21:15<HardwareFreak>the man page doesn't give any recommendations as to what block sizes or a good directory (metadata) size for a partition of size X with X number of files or X size
21:15<kenyon>sney`: so is zfs-fuse :)
21:15<abrotman>sney`: so is vfat :)
21:15<sney`>ha vfat
21:15*abrotman runs away
21:16*sney` fragments abrotman before he can escape
21:16<HardwareFreak>sney`: Yeah, it was either xfs or jfs. I read all the available benchmarks I could find in the past week and xfs came out on top, by a hair, in each one, slightly ahead of jfs overall.
21:16<abrotman>HardwareFreak: you've been told by a few people to use ext3 .. if you're going to just ignore our recommendations, why would we give you other advice?
21:17<sney`>at least JFS isn't designed specifically for handling big files
21:17<ml|>or ext4 if you want to test ;)
21:17<HardwareFreak>apparently xfs isn't popular here, or on debian in general
21:17<sney`>it's like swatting fliess with a sledgehammer. sure, you could probably do it, but there's another tool that is more suited to the job
21:17<sney`>I'd use xfs for a media server
21:18<abrotman>HardwareFreak: it is .. for filesystems intended for large files .. you're not doing that
21:18<sney`>HD video files and such
21:18<kenyon>I'm using XFS on software raid5
21:18<HardwareFreak>xfs is the most mature journaled filesystem on the planet
21:18<sney`>hey, if you want to use it, it's a free OS
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21:18<abrotman>and windows is older than linux .. awesome
21:18<HardwareFreak>and it's not optimized for "only" large files.
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21:18<sney`>you asked for recommendations but it seems you just wanted your own views reaffirmed
21:19<kenyon>so why are you asking if you already made up your mind?
21:19<sney`>in light of that, I'm going to go get some pizza.
21:19<abrotman>sney`: you're a moron .. jeez!
21:19<abrotman>sney`: if you don't get sausage .. you're stupid! :)
21:19<ml|>sney`: get enough for all :)
21:20<HardwareFreak>hah, it just formatted a 100GB partition is less than half a second. A 100GB partition on the same disk, formatted as ext2 took in like 30 secs, iirc.
21:20<abrotman>yeah .. great benchmark
21:21<HardwareFreak>abrotman: why do you hate xfs?
21:21<TCW>yeah, stuff that really matters, how long a mkfs takes...
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21:22<abrotman>HardwareFreak: i told you .. i don't .. i'm telling you that i wouldn't use it for the purpose you are .. it's main advantage is with large files .. pr0n is not large files
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21:23<kenyon>abrotman: your pr0n must not be very high-res
21:23<abrotman>however .. choosing your filesystem based on the mkfs speed is .. silly
21:24<HardwareFreak>abrotman: Now you're just acting stupid.
21:25<abrotman>yeah .. because i'm the one that "hah, it just formatted a 100GB partition is less than half a second. A 100GB partition on the same disk, formatted as ext2 took in like 30 secs, iirc."
21:26<HardwareFreak>abrotman: and how is that related to my decision to use xfs? formatting the filesystem comes after, not before.
21:26<HardwareFreak>chick <-> egg?
21:26<abrotman>you were the one that was excited about it ..
21:26<abrotman>you felt the need to share .. not us ..
21:26<abrotman>this is going nowhere .. have fun with your files
21:26<HardwareFreak>"hah" = excited? interesting analysis. incorrect, but interesting.
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21:27<HardwareFreak>I agree. It's been going nowhere for 10 minutes because you obviously have some thing against xfs. As do some others here. It's in the undercurrent of comments.
21:27<abrotman>you're really .. not getting it ..
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21:28<opticon>I would be more interested in disk read write speeds and latency rather than partition type
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21:28<abrotman>opticon: those are partially attributed to the filesystem
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21:34<giniisonfire>anybody here! help!!!!
21:34<giniisonfire>i want to compile vlc
21:35<kenyon>giniisonfire: why not aptitude install vlc?
21:35<giniisonfire>well the vlc in repository is quite old
21:37<giniisonfire>i have managed to compile vlc but it is buggy in nature
21:37<giniisonfire>how to uninstall it
21:37<kenyon>giniisonfire: you must be on lenny?
21:38<kenyon>giniisonfire: to uninstall, you probably just have to manually delete whatever it installed. I'm guessing you did "make install".
21:38<sney>abrotman: sorry, I got pepperoni mushroom
21:39<giniisonfire>do i have to delete each file manually
21:39<kenyon>giniisonfire: pretty much, yeah. if you haven't compiled and installed much else, then it shouldn't be too hard, because everything should be installed in /usr/local
21:40<sam_>help! how do i open the menu.lst in Debian GNU/Linux? So, i take a look at the conten ?
21:40<TCW>giniisonfire, paste to a paste service: ls -l /usr/local/bin/
21:40<sney>giniisonfire: in the future, look into stow
21:41<sney>sam_: it's in /boot
21:41<kenyon>giniisonfire: or you might try apt pinning or backports to get a newer version of a particular package
21:41<TCW>sam_, less, nano, vi, vim, emacs, gedit, kate, oowriter, mcedit, ...
21:42<sam_>ok let me try to find it thanks
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21:43<TCW>sam_, so you just did not know where menu.lst is?
21:44<sney>I've heard of distros putting it in /etc
21:45<sney>not sure what that's supposed to accomplish, but yes
21:45<sam_>i not sure but i need to take a look at a file that execute the menu list
21:45<TCW>sney, mabe "they" just thought "it is a configuration file, it MUST be in /etc/!" :)
21:45<sney>sam_: what are you trying to do, exactly?
21:45<ml|>sney`: you mean menu.lst in /etc?
21:45<sney>ml|: yeah
21:46<ml|>oh, yuck
21:46<TCW>sam_, a file that executes menu.lst?!
21:46<sney>maybe he's looking for /etc/default/grub
21:46<sam_>well after i install Winxp and Debian GNU/Linux as a dual boot. After completed reboot and no WinXP presented on the menu?
21:47<TCW>sam_, grub1 or grub2?
21:47<ml|>sam_: did you try what dpkg told you?
21:47<TCW>sam_, in other words, dpkg -l grub-common plaese
21:47<TCW>please even
21:48<sney>does the os-prober thing work with grub1 or just grub2? I don't even remember
21:48<TCW>sney, grub2
21:48<ml|>grub2 only
21:48<sney>it really is so much better
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21:48<sam_>yes, but nobody used debain instead they all talking about ubuntu
21:48<ml|>it is a pain to learn tho
21:48<TCW>sney, the grub2 approach with os-prober?
21:49<sney>yeah, we hardly need to help
21:49<sney>just install os-prober and update-grub
21:49<sam_>how do i go about solving this problem?
21:49<kenyon>grub2 doesn't use menu.lst
21:49<sam_>yes i just found out
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21:49<sney>oh, you have grub2?
21:50<ml|>sam_: ok, what did you do?
21:50<sam_>i think just grub
21:50<TCW>sam_, you *think*?
21:51<TCW>sam_, dpkg -l grub-common, paste
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21:51<ml|>sam_: aptitude show grub-pc, does it say installed?
21:52<TCW>oops, when did rsyslog as default happen?
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21:53<kenyon>TCW: lenny.
21:53<sam_>i installed WinXP and defragmented the drive c. Then, booted with Nopix using gparted created partitions, and installed Debian GNU/Linux. Rebooted after completed.
21:53<sam_>now winxp
21:53<ml|>rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon in Lenny, but is not installed when upgrading from Etch
21:53<TCW>kenyon, funny thing :)
21:53<TCW>ml|, obviously
21:54<TCW>sam_, so? Btw. you make a habbit of not answering questions?
21:54<ml|>just relaying the message ;)
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21:55<kenyon>!tell sam_ about dual boot guide
21:55<sam_>install grub
21:55<TCW>ml|, then thanks for relaying... I guess? :)
21:55<ml|>kenyon: he has bieng told
21:56<TCW>kenyon, several times in all different flavours actually :)
21:56<kenyon>heh ok
21:56<mercutio22>hey guys. is it normal that update-manager suggests no updates and aptitude suggests the removal of some packages? (why so?)
21:57<sam_>ok i have to go help my son with his pc
21:57<sam_>will be back thanks
21:57<kenyon>mercutio22: maybe you have removed some packages. aptitude will want remove dependencies that are no longer needed.
21:57<goodger>mercutio22: aptitude will remove redundant packages, and update-notifier will not suggest updates if there are none such available to suggest
21:57<TCW>ml|, a gnome update notifier
21:58<ml|>TCW: thanks, that's what I thought but was not sure
21:58<mercutio22>ok.. thanks. I think I should remove the ones suggested by aptitude then.
21:58<TCW>mercutio22, the admin will tell you :)
21:59<ml|>mercutio22: but what did you do for aptitude to tell you that?
21:59<mercutio22>ml|: safe-upgrade
21:59<TCW>If I would trust aptitude in that regard what to uninstall... oh hell, I would have sometimes a *very* minimal system :)
22:00<goodger>well, it's a machine, it makes mistakes sometimes
22:00<TCW>goodger, not exactly... it is a machine, it is dumb :)
22:00<ml|>mercutio22: just make sure you read what aptitude always tell you
22:01<mercutio22>ml|: sure. It removed some latex packages related to the humanities. I guess thats fine.
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22:02<ml|>mercutio22: only you and aptitude know ;)
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22:05<ml|>some might like to read this ...
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22:13<mercutio22>ml|: pretty cool. Have you tried it?
22:14<ml|>mercutio22: nope, may in a vm at some point
22:15<mercutio22>ml|: should most gnu apps run fine?
22:16<kenyon>mercutio22: yes
22:16<ml|>according to the article, seems so; but have read it all yet
22:17<ml|>have not*
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22:20<mercutio22>Maybe freebsd eventually will become more popular
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23:06<firefox>so I have moblock running. Its telling me that its blocking out going request to ips of universities and even the army research lab.. but I cant seem to find the source or the outgoing
23:06<firefox>I've shut down almost everything..
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23:47<astronut>does anyone know what the current standard is to implement uPnP with iptables? i've found a few but they all look abandoned (since 08)
23:48<astronut>also, why does sourceforge seem to suck more and more?
23:48<sney>try #iptables on freenode, they would know better than us
23:49<sney>because they need revenue and aren't going to sell software, so ADS ALL UP IN UR FACE
23:49<sney>as for the quality of software available on there, who knows
23:49<JohninLex>what about getting wireless working? can I be pointed in the right direction?
23:50*sney scrolls up
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23:50<sney>JohninLex: do you have a specific question?
23:50<JohninLex>I just finished Debian and I do not have wireless and was looking to set it up
23:51<sney>there are several wireless adapters that need a little extra tinkering.
23:51<sney>do you know what yours is?
23:51<astronut>sney: wasn't talking abotu quality of software but ease of use of the site, etc
23:51<astronut>but ya, that's what happens when you sell out
23:51<JohninLex>and I am following this site but it is not working
23:51<astronut>JohninLex: do you know what your wireless card is?
23:51<sney>that page is pretty outdate
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23:52<JohninLex>I know it was ls something but I am not remembering what it was
23:53<sney>open a terminal and do this command: lspci | grep net
23:53<sney>what is the result?
23:53<astronut>and please don't paste more than a couple lines
23:54<JohninLex>I have always know it helps to add a space where it is needed
23:54<astronut>sney: it looks like cnet now
23:55<sney>astronut: so yeah, like you said, they sold out
23:55<JohninLex>realtek Semiconductor Co Ltd rtl 8139/8139C/8139C+
23:55<astronut>that's your wired network
23:55<JohninLex>but that is my right wireless is not up and running
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23:56<astronut>is it sad i didn't even have to look taht up to know that?
23:56<sney>JohninLex: did anything else come up or just that one line?
23:56<astronut>JohninLex: look for another card
23:56<sney>astronut: hardly
23:56<sney>everyone knows the rtl8139
23:56<JohninLex>nope would you like for me to do a pastebin
23:56<astronut>JohninLex: grep -i net instead
23:57<simonrvn>astronut: not sad, just geeky =;)
23:57<astronut>the rtl8139 does shitty flow control, it was really annoying at one point
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23:58<hatta_>is this an appropriate place to ask for help, or is this general discussion?
23:58<sney>this is the support channel
23:58<goodger>this is for help
23:58<hatta_>ok cool
23:58<sney>what's your question
23:58<hatta_>i installed windows on a spare IDE hard disk, but grub isn't seeing it
23:59<JohninLex>ok that is strange it is just sitting there waiting
23:59<sney>JohninLex: you did lspci |grep -i net ?
23:59<hatta_>I guess I need to put an entry into menu.lst
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23:59<sney>hatta_: is that grub1 or grub2?
23:59<JohninLex>no, let me ctrl C out of it
23:59<hatta_>it's grub2
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