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00:56<tp43>thx ml| thx bugjar>
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00:59<ml|>tp43: np
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01:31<TGP1994>Hi there everyone. I am having a problem with shadowconfig saying my gshadow file needs lots of editing, can I re-generate the gshadow file?
01:33<TGP1994>Dpkg has an attitude problem.
01:33<dpkg>TGP1994: I give up, what is it?
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01:36<edhunter>hi TGP1994
01:37<TGP1994>Hello :) Can you help me?
01:38<edhunter>sorry TGP1994 i cant. dont even know what that file is..
01:39<TGP1994>This is an incredibly quiet room considering the amount of people idling in it :S
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01:41<jm_>maybe it's because it's not a room
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01:42<Arioch>Is there an 'official' Xchat IRC room out there somewhere - on any network?
01:42<ml|>#xchat on
01:43<Arioch>tyvm ml|
01:43<ml|>dpkg: I didn't hear that ;)
01:43<dpkg>ml|: i don't know
01:44<ml|>Arioch: np; heh
01:45<dr|z3d>!fgi Arioch xchat+official+irc+channel
01:45*dr|z3d came late to that particular party. :/
01:46<Arioch>ya know, I thought just perhaps the 'official' IRC channel for Xchat would be listed somewhere on
01:46<Arioch>bbit it wasnt
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01:51<ml|>the results from fgi wheren't helpful :/
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01:52<Arioch>the results from asking a human who knew the answer were relevant, rapid, and quite helpful.
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01:54<ml|>this human had help :)
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02:08<edhunter>hi postgres
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02:13<postgres>in a test of sid with X.Org X Server 1.7.4 my Logitec-Tackball (4-buttons) does not work. I use the same hal-policy as in a working ubuntu-config (X.Org X Server 1.5.2). the server logs "(EE) PreInit returned NULL for ....
02:13<postgres>any hints ?
02:14<edhunter>yes. latest xorg doesnt use hal
02:15<postgres>??? uff..... why that ?
02:16<edhunter>dont really know, you should ask the xorg devs..
02:17<edhunter>so now you need a udev instead of a hal rule
02:17<jm_>that can onl be good, less crap to deal with
02:18<edhunter>i agree ;)
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02:19<postgres>just installed the hal-rule 1 month ago... *grmpf*
02:20<edhunter>postgres: thats sid for you. things just change too fast sometimes ;)
02:20*postgres *searchingudevdocs*
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02:21<postgres>any hints how to convert a hal-rule to udev ?
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02:21<edhunter>no clue. here all works out of the box with latest xorg..
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02:26<postgres>edhunter: for the 4-button-trackball I created a hal-rule. the 2 wheel-buttons are not working with server 1.7.2. (what is clear, if the server does not use the hal-rules)
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02:31<jm_>are you using evdev driver?
02:33<jm_>also check BTS
02:33<postgres>jm: yes - but the server responds "(EE) PreInit returned NULL " for the trackball
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02:35<edhunter>postgres: with latest xorg i have various EE regarding keyboard/mouse/touchpad but it still all works
02:37<postgres>edhunter: the mouse-events of the scroll-buttons are visible in xve - but the scroll-functions not working
02:38<edhunter>postgres: i cant really help you. im just saying dont pay too much attention on that error :)
02:41<postgres>its not really a problem - comes time, comes solution..... I hope... ;-)
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02:43<vulc4n>evening guys
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02:44<edhunter>postgres: this is how a udev looks like. perhaps it helps
02:44<edhunter>hi vulc4n
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02:44<vulc4n>I'm thinking about using lighttpd on my vps instead of apache as I have been
02:44<vulc4n>any thoughts?
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02:53<postgres>edhunter: thx. I will try to create one next time.... - for now, maybe a downgrade from x-server 1.7 to 1.5 could help? is it possible to install an older package under sid? (and where I find these older packages?)
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02:55<edhunter>postgres: it is possible to downgrade to testing for the package you need but not the best idea i would say..
02:57<edhunter>postgres: if you dont really need that functionality and all else works stick with current xorg version and try to fix with a udev rule
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02:59<postgres>edhunter: ok - i will try this first.... thx
03:00<olpcfan>Trying to install a bunch of fonts by doing this: apt-get install "^ttf-" ... but I ttf-kochi-gothic conflicts with ttf-kochi-gothic-naga10. Is there a quick fix? :)
03:01<olpcfan>Is there a way to generate a list of packages that will be installed, dump it to a file, then I can just manually edit?
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03:04<jm_>try using aptitude instead
03:04<edhunter>olpcfan: you can try using --print-uris and then grep/cut whatever that output to just get package names..
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03:18<fossiiil>I checked 'Graphical Expert installation' when i booted from Lenny's installation image. Chose detect network hardware and nothing was found.
03:18<fossiiil>What can i do?
03:18<jm_>start by finding out what kind of hardware it is and if it's supported
03:19<fossiiil>It's older Sis900 board with Athon XP onboard...Ubuntu had no problem detecting it, it always load bunch of modules for 'everything'
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03:19<fossiiil>jm_: i have hardware description to check if it's supported?
03:19<snogglethorpe>olpcfan you can do something like: aptitude search -F%p '^ttf-!~i' > FILE
03:19<jm_>fossiiil: /msg dpkg hcl and follow the hcl link
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03:20<sney>what does it say for the network card? does it specify a chip or just "10/100" or something?
03:20<snogglethorpe>olpcfan: then edit it, and install with: aptitude install `cat FILE`
03:20<jm_>fossiiil: sorry follow the kmuto link
03:20<jm_>you shouldn't need to edit it with aptitude, it has problem resolution support
03:20<postgres>fossiiil: try to use the "not expert mode" - yesterday I had the same problem
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03:20<fossiiil>postgres: ok
03:21<fossiiil>my hardware is surely supported by kernel
03:21<fossiiil>otherwise it won't work in Ubuntu :-)
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03:22<sney>fossiiil: right. sometimes ubuntu includes proprietary firmware for things in the interest of everything working. and debian doesn't like to do that. but that's probably not the issue here, it tends to come up more with wireless
03:22<sney>anyway, if you (or the motherboard manufacturer's website) can identify the NIC, then it's usually pretty easy from that point to get it working
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03:23<sney>a third option would be to open the computer case and look
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03:26<fossiiil>mobo's manual says this about NIC: LAN: MAC integrated in SiS735 & PHY on board (Optional)
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03:30<sney>fossiiil: well, it's probably the sis900 module, which is included... so try in non-expert mode
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03:34<yang_>So i have a wierd wireless issue. I can scan networks. i can "connect" i get a IP address on the wrong subnet no dns. and when i try to ping the gatway by ip i get network unaviable ?
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03:35<zem_>yang_: tried to set ip/netmask/dns manualy?
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03:36<yang_>zem: no have no have not .
03:37<yang_>zem: how would i do that with nm-applet running in KDE?
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03:43<fossiiil>sney: thanks
03:43<fossiiil>sney: will it allow me to allow to repartion my HDD?
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03:44<zem_>yang_: i wouldn't know, and it's just to test if it's problem with wrong address being asigned or something else, so you can just disable aplet and do it manualy
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03:45<fossiiil>i'll try...later
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03:48<sheldonh>if i think the i386 security update for nscd is broken (amd64 dependencies), who do i contact to report the problem?
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03:48<Surtsey>Hey guys. I just replaced Ubuntu 9.10 with Debian stable on my local file server and I'm having real problems with Samba. Using the same config or starting from nothing, I can only get error 13: permission denied. I've tried mounting it from multiple machines. Might anyone have any idea what's going on here? I've been googling for 6 hours
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03:50<Surtsey>Also, I've tried mounting it multiple ways. fstab, manually, credential file, stdin... Same error. The server gives me some silly "transport endpoint is not connected", which apparently is totally unrelated.
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03:51<chealer>!tell sheldonh about bts
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03:52<cesurasean>Can anyone give me an idea of the percentage of people who will not be able to access SNI websites with the new apache?
03:52<sheldonh>cool, thanks. thought package uploads might be handled differently
03:52<cesurasean>1 month upgrading machines to squeeze has not been fun, at all.
03:54<cesurasean>better yet, what does microsoft plan to do to fix the issue, nothing?
03:54<cesurasean><slaps bill gates around>
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03:55<Surtsey>My next step is to just give Samba the finger and rely on Win7's NFS support. That's how pathetic this situation is.
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03:55<cesurasean>what's wrong with Samba, Surtsey?
03:56<fossiiil>i think the wrong is 'finger', not Samba :-)
03:56<fossiiil>sney: nic was detected in non-expert mode, fine
03:56<fossiiil>there's still one big problem that worries me
03:56<Surtsey>Basically, I upgraded from Ubuntu 9.10 to Debian Stable. Samba now only gives me error 13: permission denied. I've tried every variation of every config or option I can think of. I've been googling for the entire night.
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03:57<Surtsey>Same config, new config with my mods, new config with nothing... Same error. Multiple devices: same error.
03:57<cesurasean>why would you upgrade from Ubuntu? Have you tried removing, and reinstalling Samba?
03:57<cesurasean>use apt-get remove --purge
03:57<Surtsey>Yes, I've reinstalled Samba. I upgraded from Ubuntu because I vastly prefer Debian
03:57<fossiiil>Surtsey: i'd try running samba manually with strace...something like strace -e open,creat,access samba args
03:58<Surtsey>fossiiil: Roger. I'll look into that. Thanks.
03:58<cesurasean>what is the exact permission error, Surtsey?
03:58<sheldonh>Surtsey, upgraded? what did you do that differs from a new installation on Debian, on blank disks?
03:58<cesurasean>he hasn't told us the error message yet...
03:58<Surtsey>No, I have.
03:59<cesurasean>what does it tell you to do, exactly?
03:59<Surtsey>sheldonh: Irrelevant. Who cares why I switched?
03:59<sheldonh>Surtsey, i'm not asking you why you switched
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03:59<sheldonh>Surtsey, i'm asking you HOW you switched
03:59<cesurasean>because switching is why you have problems. :)
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03:59<Surtsey>cesurasean: error(13): Permission denied
04:00<Surtsey>sheldonh: Sorry, I don't think I understand your question
04:00<sheldonh>Surtsey, well in my mind, there's no documented upgrade path from any version of ubuntu to any version of debian. so i'm trying to get clear on what's happened
04:00<cesurasean>It's a bug in Ubuntu, apparently.
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04:01<Surtsey>sheldonh: "Upgrade" is a really inaccurate term; I shouldn't have used it. I did a fresh install.
04:01<sheldonh>cesurasean, is this the samba bug i submitted? :)
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04:01<fossiiil>I recently migrated my HDD partions from ext3 to ext4 in Ubuntu. I want install Debian now, but the partion tool in debian installer recognize them as ext3 and does not allow me to choose to mount them as ext4. Should i move them from ext4->ext3(how?) or something else? i don't want to cause some terrible failures, though i have important data backed up...
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04:01<sheldonh>Surtsey, ok. and did you copy anything from your ubuntu installation to your debian installation?
04:01<cesurasean>you two need to move it to Ubuntu channel, I think.
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04:02<Surtsey>sheldonh: A few config files for unrelated things, yes. I tried copying the samba config over as well, to no avail. After a reinstall (--purge) and a brand new config file, I get the same issue
04:02<sheldonh>cesurasean, he's saying he's not using ubuntu
04:02<Surtsey>cesurasean: This has nothing to do with Ubuntu
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04:02<cesurasean>sure it does.
04:02<sheldonh>Surtsey, does a few config files include /etc/passwd or /etc/group?
04:02<Surtsey>sheldonh: No.
04:03<Surtsey>cesurasean: You'll have to explain to me how mounting from and to a debian system involves Ubuntu.
04:03<sheldonh>Surtsey, ok good. so the debian host is the samba server. what is the samba client?
04:03<cesurasean>it looks to me as if Ubuntu did not give correct permissions to Samba while switching platforms...
04:03<fossiiil>cesurasean: I want to install debian, there's no point to come to #ubuntu for help...
04:03<Surtsey>cesurasean: I really don't think you understand.
04:03<sheldonh>cesurasean, he has clarified that he performed a fresh installation and didn't copy /var/lib/anything from ubuntu
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04:03<ml|>fossiiil: lenny does not support ext4, kmuto should work /msg dpkg kmuto
04:03<sheldonh>oops, cross-chat :)
04:04<Surtsey>sheldonh: I've tried it with two different devices, one running Ubuntu and one running a stripped down Debian. Both worked with the Ubuntu Samba server with the same config
04:04<cesurasean>it has to do with mounting issues..
04:04<sheldonh>Surtsey, okay. and what command are you running on the client?
04:04<Surtsey>sheldonh: Well, I've tried it a bunch of ways. I was initially using fstab and a credential file. I tried manually mounting with mount.cifs, mount -t cifs, etc. etc.
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04:05<iotaka>hi, I have a snmp MIB file of an UPS how can I import? Without the extra definition I can't retreive usefull information. I already installed nut-snmp, but is not sufficient. thank you
04:05<Surtsey>sheldonh: sudo mount.cifs //server/share path -o user=username,pass=password
04:05<sheldonh>Surtsey, it's odd that your error message includes no text preceding "Permission defined"
04:05<Surtsey>sheldonh: Pretty standard stuff. No matter which way I wrap the command, though, it always gives me that same error.
04:06<jm_>does mounting it work on the server itself?
04:06<cesurasean>sheldonh, that's why it says error 13. ;)
04:06<sheldonh>cesurasean, before that, even
04:06<cesurasean>very unlucky number.
04:06<Surtsey>cesurasean: Google that, yo! You have no idea!
04:06<sheldonh>ah, jm_ is here, everything will be fine :)
04:07<Surtsey>jm_: I haven't, though that's the next logical step.
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04:08<Surtsey>Afaik, permissions, ownership, everything is setup properly. Like I said, I've been beating my head on the wall over this for 6 hours
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04:08<cesurasean>are you using correct user and pass?
04:08<Surtsey>cesurasean: Yes
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04:09<cesurasean>have you tried logging into that user through su?
04:09<Surtsey>cesurasean: Yes. The account, the permission, etc... all fine.
04:09<Surtsey>cesurasean: When I did this in Ubuntu, it basically just went pop! and worked
04:10<sheldonh>Surtsey, i usually check the smb log for the client host on the server. sometimes it's got something useful in it. usually not :)
04:10<cesurasean>it may be the way Samba reads the account info.
04:10<cesurasean>yes, it does that in Debian also.
04:10<Surtsey>sheldonh: Yeah, did. It's giving me a bunch of useless errors that, upon further research, have nothing to do with it
04:10<cesurasean>i can send you a config, if you want.
04:10<sheldonh>Surtsey, but a question that comes to mind is, where did you get your smbpasswd on the server?
04:10<Surtsey>cesurasean: No, it doesn't obviously.
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04:11<Surtsey>sheldonh: I'm using security = user.
04:11<sheldonh>i've never understood how samba "just works" for other people. i _always_ struggle with it. that, and cups :)
04:11<cesurasean>webmin is your friend, sheldonh.
04:11<Surtsey>... *puke
04:12<sheldonh>cesurasean, no thanks :)
04:12<sheldonh>Surtsey, security = user doesn't use smbpasswd?
04:12<cesurasean>Surtsey, try using samba without logging in?
04:12<cesurasean>i think i have it setup without login, actually. now that i think about it. :)
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04:13<ml|>dpkg: webmin
04:13<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
04:13<Surtsey>sheldonh: Not sure I know what you're asking. It should just tie into PAM and forego any other Samba user/pass config stuff
04:13<cesurasean>not sure i have ever had samba log in correctly, and mount.
04:13<chocolat888>bonne journée à tous o/
04:13<Surtsey>cesurasean: I'd rather not rely on wpa for all of my file security. Thanks.
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04:14<sheldonh>Surtsey, interesting. don't think it's ever worked like that for me. anyway, your problem falls outside my comfort zone. good luck!
04:14<cesurasean>yeah, hence my machine only stays on during certain times...
04:14<jmm>salut chocolat888 .
04:14<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:14<Surtsey>sheldonh: I thank you for your assistance either way
04:14<sheldonh>Surtsey, hang in there :)
04:14<Surtsey>cesurasean: I don't run networks or boxes that way.
04:14<Surtsey>sheldonh: I'll figure it out if I have to die trying.
04:14<cesurasean>Surtsey, why not install from source?
04:14<Surtsey>cesurasean: Because that's absolutely unnecessary and doesn't tell me what the problem is
04:14<Surtsey>cesurasean: It's not a solution.
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04:15<sheldonh>Surtsey, he just wants you to install from source so he can tell you "that's not debian, off-topic" :)
04:16<Surtsey>sheldonh: No worries. The webmin comment pretty much threw his credibility out the window ;P
04:16<cesurasean>yeah, that's really a show stopper if that's a correct bug. a newer version will probably have fixed such issues....
04:16<ml|>Surtsey: /msg dpkg samba <-- might help
04:16<yang_>zem:i set static ip tried ping , gateway replies is unreachable. turns out to be my eth0 wired NIC
04:16<Surtsey>ml|: I'll pester dpkg, but I don't know what he can tell me that google hasn't already
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04:17<ml|>Surtsey: dpkg has superpowers ;)
04:17<cesurasean>Surtsey, if you believe it's a bug, then compile from source. you'll have to work around, or build a deb from squeeze.
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04:17<Surtsey>cesurasean: I didn't say it was a bug. I highly doubt I found a bug, because this is just too damn obvious
04:17<cesurasean>yep. that's what im thinking too.
04:18<cesurasean>you would be shocked though sometimes....
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04:19<cesurasean>i would try and build your own deb from squeeze first off. if that version doesn't work, then you are doing something wrong.
04:19<Surtsey>cesurasean: The default config should, with two tweaks or so, share the user home directory with no issues. It does not work for me.
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04:19<Surtsey>cesurasean: I did this same thing in Ubuntu with zero issue. I have a hard time believing I'm just retarded
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04:20<Surtsey>Either way, I thank you guys for your help. I'm gonna get some shut eye before I explode
04:20<cesurasean>Surtsey, you will probably need to grab the deb from squeeze.
04:20<cesurasean>it seems silly that is a bug though.
04:21<ml|>Surtsey: using lenny?
04:21<Surtsey>ml|: Aye
04:21<cesurasean>yes. try installing and see what dep issues, if any, exist.
04:21<cesurasean>you might be able to install the squeeze deb easily. im not sure, never tried.
04:21<ml|>cesurasean: mixing stable and testing is bad
04:22<Surtsey>cesurasean: I'm not installing an older deb for samba. If it comes to it I'll just use NFS.
04:22<cesurasean>Surtsey, squeeze is unstable repo.
04:22<Surtsey>older/newer. Mixing breaks systems.
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04:22<cesurasean>says who?
04:22<ml|>cesurasean: no, sid is
04:22<cesurasean>true. sorry.
04:22<Surtsey>Says me, from experience. I've tried stupid stuff like that before, long ago. Best to not even fiddle with it.
04:23<cesurasean>Surtsey, im afraid you are probably running out of options. If it hurts so bad, you may have to change code yourself to make the current version work for you.
04:23<ml|>Surtsey: you could try a deb from bpo if there is one tho
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04:24<yang_>I have a wierd issue, i can scan wireless , "connect" i get no dns server, ip address on the wrong subnet, and i can set static ip and when i try to ping my defualt gateway my eth0 IP address replies that gateway ip address is unreachable
04:24<Surtsey>cesurasean: Yeah. I'll just start changing code randomly and hope something works. ... You have to know what the problem is before you can fix it. You're /really/ helpful.
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04:24<twb>Which package provides the DTD for "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.1//EN" ? It isn't docbook-xml, AFAICT.
04:24<ml|>Surtsey: also checking bts can't hurt
04:24<cesurasean>Surtsey, have you sent anything to Samba creators then?
04:25<cesurasean>im sure they can tell you what error 13 is, exactly. they should have a mailing list, im sure.
04:25<Surtsey>Thanks again guys. <- ZzzZzz
04:25<cesurasean>Surtsey, ;)
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04:29<yang_>is there a Debian Sid irc?
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04:31<iotaka>yang_: #sidux #smxi are on SID
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04:32<jm_>yang: if default gw is unreachable, it probably means your net roue is wrong
04:32<ml|>that's not debian sid tho
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04:32<jm_>net route*
04:33<yang_>how would i investigate this?
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04:33<jm_>yang: netstat -nr shows routing table, compare to GW IP
04:34<yang_>ty for help good night all
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04:57<perk>i can't seem to find any unionfs modules on either sid nor lenny. suggested course of action?
04:58<perk>i'll have a look
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05:01<Xalk>Âñåì ïðèâåò
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05:01<Xalk>ïîìîãèòå ñ äèñòðèáîì
05:02<twb>!tell Xalk -about ru
05:02<Xalk>hey, who from russia?
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05:11<mihkel>Hi. Is it possible to enable KMS (debian sid kernel)with radeon without recompiling kernel
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05:12<hakanbey>hi ... my pidgin is not working :( it says me this protocol is not supported by the server
05:12<hakanbey>why ? how can i repair?
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05:14<jm_>mihkel: did you check if it's enabled?
05:14<dpkg>Pidgin (formerly <GAIM>) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny and Etch, ask me about <bpo> or <bpo etch>. MSN support broken in Lenny (BTS #559982), use a backport. FAQ: . #pidgin on XMPP Multi-User Chat: See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin bpo>, <finch>.
05:14<mihkel>jm_, # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
05:14<jm_>mihkel: then you'll need to recompile
05:14<OdyX>hmm… not sure…
05:15<mihkel>I mean can I pass a kernel option or smth
05:15<OdyX>it might be an option of the module…
05:15<BlackFate>mihkel, you cant set modeset options to modprobe
05:15<jm_>mihkel: no since the support has not been compiled
05:15<mihkel>ok. then I recompile and see what happens
05:15<OdyX>jm_: on my machine: CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS is not set
05:15<OdyX>jm_: but it works…
05:16<hakanbey>jm: so .. can not i use msn on the pidgin? What is mean of the "use a backport"
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05:17<jm_>OdyX: I doubt that :)
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05:17<jm_>hakanbey: /msb dpkg backports
05:17<BlackFate>mihkel, try booting with radeon.modeset=1
05:17<OdyX>jm_: it does :-)
05:18<OdyX>jm_: the CONFIG* thing is to get it hard-compiled in the kernel… not needed for KMS to work…
05:18<jm_>OdyX: bullshit
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05:19<jm_>=y or =m determines if it's static or a module
05:19<OdyX>jm_: do you want to come and see my laptop with native console resolution…
05:19<jm_>no I have better stuff to do
05:19<hakanbey>jm_: sorry i am new user . only i write /msb dpkg backports on the terminal???
05:19<jm_>hakanbey: in IRC client
05:19<OdyX>jm_: description of the CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS is "Enable modesetting on intel by default"
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05:20<OdyX>" If you don't set Enable modesetting on intel by default you will need to pass i915.modeset=1 to the kernel when you boot."
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05:20<OdyX>but you might also be right
05:20<hakanbey>ok thank you
05:21<Beryllium>I'm getting an odd error when trying to mount an .iso. dmesg | tail is giving me "nautilus[13148]: segfault at c ip 0811adb1 sp bfe66520 error 4 in nautilus[8048000+192000]"
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05:26<jm_>actually no, I am wrong for intel kms - I forgot it's split into two options, it's CONFIG_DRM_I915 that matters - serves me right for being a moron and not remembering my brother was caught by this when trying KMS
05:26<jm_>so radeon might be the same
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05:30<jm_>the big difference is that radeon is under staging, so who knows if debian kernels enable that
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05:33<mihkel>well CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is compiled as module
05:33<jm_>so try what people said with modeset option
05:33<jm_>also check if STAGING is enabled
05:34<mihkel>I just wait while kernel finishes compiling and then try that boot option
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05:35<jm_>it's a module option
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05:50<BlackFate>jm_, well i googled a bit.. and i dont think dmr2 package includes radeon kms. He just has to rebuild drm2
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05:51<jm_>BlackFate: yeah porobably because of staging dependency
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06:04<hakanbey>hi i still couldn't use pidgin. how can i use msn on the pidgin???
06:04<jm_>did you install pidgin from backports?
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06:05<hakanbey>yes but there is no difference
06:05<hakanbey>i install package from the
06:05<jm_>which version is installed now?
06:05<hakanbey>pidgin's version??
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06:06<jm_>backports has 2.6.x
06:07<jm_>unless you're using etch or somesuch
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06:08<hakanbey>i should install 2.6.x from the am i right?
06:08<twb>Stupid svn, putting a metadata file in every dir, breaking debian/foo.install...
06:09<themill>twb: .svn dirs shouldn't be in the source tarball though
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06:10<twb>themill: upstream is nuts
06:10<edhunter>could svn-buildpackage help?
06:10<twb>And I don't feel like rerolling
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06:10<twb>edhunter: I'm in no way nuts enough to put debian/ in a svn branch
06:11<themill>twb: you could just remove the lot of them in the clean target
06:11<edhunter>twb: heh. well with what u said i guessed you were trying to build a package which had debian in svn..
06:11<twb>themill: that's true
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06:11<twb>It'd make uupdating a minor pain in the arse, but I doubt I'll care about this package in another week.
06:12<themill>twb: dpkg-source will ignore the missing files for you; if you never build in-place (but always build on a copy or in a cowbuilder etc) then clean would never be run on that copy and uupdating is no harder
06:13<twb>themill: that's an even better idea. I was only debuilding instead of pdebuilding to save a bit of time during testing.
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06:13<twb>(re. building from a clean source tree and leveraging 3.0's implicit -i.svn)
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06:19<hakanbey>jm_ : when i install pidgin 2.6.3 package it is going in broken packages
06:19<jm_>hakanbey: what does that mean?
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06:21<hakanbey>sorry ,i couldn't understand.
06:21<themill>hakanbey: the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy pidgin ; aptitude -f install" would be handy at this point.
06:22<hakanbey>i guess
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06:23<hakanbey>i am using synaptic. But it see only pidgin 2.4.3
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06:30<gat>anything better than ftp over http or vice-versa? or are they effectively the same?
06:30<jmm>two things that are the same, used to have the same name too.
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06:31<twb>gat: that doesn't make any sense.
06:32<gat>i mean for apt
06:32<gat>sorry about that
06:32<twb>Why would you want to tunnel FTP over HTTP?
06:32<gat>i'm deciding whether to have "deb http://" or "deb ftp://" lines in my sources.list
06:33<gat>cosmetically i'm more familiar with "http" but i suppose i should consider technical reasons when making decisions like this
06:33<twb>gat: HTTP is preferable, especially if apt (and the server) support HTTP/1.1 pipelining
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06:33<gat>ty, alright then
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06:34<gat>twb: wait so why do like big iron business enterprise users use ftps for xferring around gargantuan amounts of data?
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06:41<twb>gat: because they're still running s/390?
06:41<twb>Make that s/360, just for the hell of it.
06:42<gat>those're some bad times
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06:42<gat>eh well. everything is doing the http stuff these days i guess.
06:42<panthera>apart from pipelining, http is much faster in response than anonymous ftp.
06:43<twb>panthera: I didn't like to assert that without checking my facts :-)
06:43<gat>then i suggest.. a test!
06:44<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE!
06:44<gat>that's handy
06:45<gat>wow that's a fun read
06:45<twb>I wish more clients implemented TFTP
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06:47<gat>i wonder if, along the lines of the 'popularity contest', debian could figure out how often the ftps get requests vs http
06:47<gat>then maybe phase out ftp
06:48<twb>gat: but there's no http.d.o!
06:48<anonissimus>wondering, what are the advantages of a CA signed certificate?
06:48<anonissimus>for internal usage
06:49<gat>anonissimus: if it's internal and you can push certs to machines, there isn't any. but if you can't push certs, then instead of users getting the warning page from a lot of browsers, it might make sense. if the company has money to burn on that kinda stuff
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06:50<anonissimus>gat: so yeah it is a waste of money if you dont have other people than your employees encounter them
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06:52<gat>based on the info you've given, i'd agree with that
06:52<gat>ok so what really needs to happen is someone needs to come up with a ftp-style http client so people can upload files to servers
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06:53<twb>The CA certificate system is a mechanism whereby, by convincing Firefox to trust your keys by default, you gain a license to print money.
06:53<gat>because now FTP is still used to upload files to certain devices
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06:54<themill>gat: lots of them already exist either for sftp or dav (talking to ssh or web servers respectively)
06:54<twb>gat: your typical embedded device will use *TFTP* -- this is a completely different protocol.
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06:56<gat>i'm thinking of xbox-linux really. but the iphone jailbreaks use afp, so people might be catching on
06:57<gat>hmm scp / sftp are pretty nifty
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06:58<gat>are say the config files for a default debian install in version control anywhere? say the lenny apt sources.list
06:58<gat>oh wait maybe i can find it
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07:01<gat> has /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
07:02<gat>i do wonder how the initial apt is put into place. i suppose that could be part of debian-installer
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07:03<themill>it is, yes
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07:10<gat>found it
07:11<gat>for the record, the web svn thing isn't *anywhere* on the install page
07:12<Gromitt>gat: what are you looking for? I didn't get you.
07:12<themill>why would it be?
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07:17<gat>themill: usually pages list the "homepage" of the project
07:17<gat>i'm currently looking for the vanilla apt sources.list from debian lenny in an online repo
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07:18<themill>gat: there is no vanilla sources.list; the web svn is not the homepage either, is as close as it gets
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07:23<wicki>hi all... I have updated my xserver to 1.7.2 und created an udel-rule (the rule is accepted) for my trackball with "E: input.x11_options.EmulateWheelTimeout=213" - but the x-server logs: (**) "Logitech USB Trackball": EmulateWheelButton: 4, EmulateWheelInertia: 10, EmulateWheelTimeout: 200 - X is not using the new values. any hints?
07:24<dr|z3d>wicki: Did you restart X?
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07:26<wicki>no. I just connect the trackball to a new usb-port
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07:36<imperia>hello i need help. my debian router suddenly stopped routing internet while i was just browsing. i can connect from internal network to the router. from there i can connect to internet. router is giving dhcp addresses but its not routing. can somebody help me diagnose this. ip forwarding should be enabled. i am using shorewall. same rules i used for year
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07:38<ppl>Hi! Are there any users of dnsmasq willing to help?
07:39<firefox>ppl, I can try ^^
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07:39<ppl>I've got dhcp-host entry matching all kvm machines by 3 first octets of MAC address (52:54:00) and tagging it 'kvm'
07:40<ppl>It works fine as long as I don't put particular MAC address in /etc/ethers.
07:40<ppl>Seems that /etc/ethers 'overrides' entry from dhcp-host and tag isn't applied anymore.
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07:41<ppl>I couldn't find this behaviour in documentation and I'm not sure if its bug or a feature.
07:41<ppl>Or maybe I'm missing something obvious?
07:41<firefox>ppl, hmmm... well you got it up and running.. thats about where I can get you haha. sorry. hopefully someone else knows.
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07:42<wicki>even if I restart the X-server, the Trackball-parameters from udev are not used
07:42<ppl>firefox: thanks, I suppose I should check that in a source code
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07:42<jm_>or maybe try to enable debugging for it and see if it prints anything useful
07:43<firefox>ppl, lol np, glad to be of no use.
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07:44<ppl>firefox: :P
07:46<firefox>So I wanted to run apps on my desktop from another computer with SSH .... I got it working by using "xhost +" on the server. and on the client I would have to run "export DISPLAY=:0.0" then I can run apps..
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07:47<jm_>that doesn't need SSH in any way
07:47<firefox>only problem is.. when gnome-screensaver kicks in... my xserver explodes
07:47<firefox>jm_, ??
07:48<dr|z3d>firefox: Just set the screensaver to blank the screen?
07:48<jm_>firefox: !!
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07:48<firefox>dr|z3d, hmmm.. then I dont get a fancy screen saver haha.. I guess thats a worthy sacrifice, but is there a way around that?
07:49<dr|z3d>Or maybe choose a non-openGL screensaver?
07:49<dr|z3d>firefox: The way around it likely centers on your graphics card drivers..
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07:50<firefox>dr|z3d, hmm.. yeah I actually like most the non-opengl savers anyway. you just reminded me that running glxgears exploded my xserver to... so would I not be able to run any opengl stuff?
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07:51<dr|z3d>firefox: That's a fairly safe bet. Avoid 3d-accelerated anything.
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07:51<dr|z3d>firefox: You're not running under Virtualbox or similar, are you?
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07:52<dr|z3d>firefox: You might also check your xorg.conf and turn off any explicit 3d stuff..
07:53<firefox>dr|z3d, nah. just one comp to another. Intel Corporation 82845G/GL is my video.. do you know of any reading material that I could use to have my cake and eat it to?
07:53<dr|z3d>firefox: Look for xorg.conf examples for that card, specifically ones that omit all 3d acceleration. Can't offer you more than that!
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07:57<firefox>dr|z3d, TY, I think I have a long way around it, but that wont solve some other issues. the whole reason I want to do it is because I set a friend up with debian on his laptop (he was sick of vista so I recruited him) and I wanted to be able to admin it and run programs from anywhere.
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07:57<firefox>would really kill my "you never have to reboot!" pitch haha
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07:58<dr|z3d>firefox: openGL screensavers eat cpu like it's going out of fashion.. nice eyecandy, not so hot if your system's doing some measure of server duties.
07:59<firefox>dr|z3d, yeah this box is just for my music and server stuff, I mean intel= "lol wut?" for 3d, but he actually has a pretty powerful laptop and likes eye candy.
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08:00<firefox>dr|z3d, I guess having him reboot after I do stuff isnt so bad.. but this will put a big dent in my compiz-fusion plans haha
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08:02<dr|z3d>firefox: Well, newer kernel might help some, though possibly not much, if at all. Newer drivers for the Intel might be available.. worth hunting those down, wherever they may reside. And be sure to trawl bug trackers.
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08:04<firefox>dr|z3d, so I notice when I echo $DISPLAY on client before I break it with the eport gives me nothing.. maybe theres a way I can have his lapto run a script before the screen saver to put it back to the regular export settings, or when I log off the ssh
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08:04<firefox>dr|z3d, that will wait til this evening.. I gotta get back to bed... TY for your help
08:07<jm_>you should start using ssh -X instead
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08:08<firefox>jm_, as root?
08:08<jm_>firefox: user doesn't really matter
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08:09<firefox>jm_, I was slightly confused about that.. I am using putty on a winxp box to ssh in.. so I would have to log in first right?
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08:10<jm_>firefox: are you running an X server on windows?
08:11<firefox>jm_, nope.
08:11<dr|z3d>I've seen Intel cards bomb before with 3d.. different context (Virtualbox), same end result.
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08:13<jm_>firefox: why do you need to set DISPLAY then?
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08:14<firefox>jm_, Well I wanted to run something like xeyes of the server from wndows. if I dont export on the ssh client it just tells me it cant open the display
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08:14<jm_>firefox: you will need X server on windows for this to work, and with putty you can rely on X11 forwarding so you don't have to export DISPLAY manually
08:15<firefox>jm_, I could be setting hngs wrong, but I am using X11 forwarding.. I have it enabled in both.
08:16<jm_>firefox: it also needs to be enabled in ssh server
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08:17<firefox>jm_, I have it enabled in the sshd_conf. but you are right I should double check them both.
08:17<jm_>firefox: it also needs xauth installed
08:18<jm_>I remember there are some putty options for this, I forgot the details - but it works fine for me at home
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08:19<firefox>jm_, well... e_e stupid putty had it set for all my other saved sessions.. but not this one... pebkac!!!!!
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08:19<jm_>firefox: heh
08:20<firefox>I am going to reboot in disgust and go back to bed... lol and deal with it in a few hours.
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09:00<nsadmin>which #debian am I on?
09:00<dr|z3d>nsadmin: oftc's.
09:00<jm_>never heard of /whois?
09:00<nsadmin>ok shouldn't be a problem...
09:00<nsadmin>no, whois that?
09:02<nsadmin>seriously... so I'm trying to get xen and my nvidia card to cooperate, and I'm given to understand that the nvidia driver just won't cooperate.
09:02<nsadmin>I'm running...
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09:03<nsadmin>lenny, with kernel 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 and I just installed...
09:04<nsadmin>setting the config file generated with X -configure to use nv driver, I try it and the error message is "xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (0xfc000000,0x1000000) (Invalid argument)"
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09:06<nsadmin>and x won't start, and that's where I am right now. what do I do now?
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09:08<BlackFate>nsadmin, install binary driver
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09:09<nsadmin>you mean nvidia? that works fine when I'm running 2.6.26-amd64 but I'm running 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 and xen won't play nice with it
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09:10<nsadmin>err, to be blatently explicit, xen won't play nice with nvidia
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09:12<nsadmin>BlackFate which is why I'm trying nv, and that's failing for (possibly) a separate reason
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09:16<BlackFate>nsadmin, lenny?
09:17<nsadmin>running lenny, and there are some security updates that aren't installed yet
09:17<nsadmin>like 40 of them
09:17<BlackFate>nsadmin, you used binary from repos?
09:17<nsadmin>of nv? yes
09:17<BlackFate>binary driver.. not nv
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09:18<nsadmin>so you mean nvidia
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09:20<nsadmin>so I'm trying to get xen and my nvidia card to cooperate, and I'm given to understand that the nvidia driver just won't cooperate.
09:20<nsadmin>which is why I'm trying nv
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09:25<nsadmin>hmm... so I'd have to build somethign... not a big problem
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09:26<nsadmin>do you think there is a binary driver for that kernel in the debian repos?
09:27<vvas>you don't need a special kernel module for nv, just the driver module
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09:28<vvas>though i still don't understand this incompatibility with Xen... is the nvidia driver incompatible with a xen host kernel, or with a xen guest kernel?
09:28<weasel>I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the answer was 'either'.
09:29<nsadmin>vvas/weasel: I've only so far started the dom0
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09:31<vvas>i'm not familiar with xen's terminology anyway
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09:31<vvas>the other obvious question would be, is xen essential for your setup, or will any virtualisation solution do?
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09:31<nsadmin>you can boot this same kernel as a host or a guest
09:32<nsadmin>well xen is all I've played with so far
09:32<vvas>because i certainly haven't had any problems with the nvidia binary driver in combination with either kvm or virtualbox
09:32<nsadmin>I actually bought a mobo that has an ATI card on it
09:33<nsadmin>(and some more ram)
09:33<nsadmin>I just havent' gotten around to installing it yet
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09:35<isikarianto>the nvidia driver used to be a LOT more complicated to make work
09:35<nsadmin>true enough
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09:36<nsadmin>which is why ati was preferred
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09:40<metalqga>not so debian related question: I've got approx 20GB missing after a failed resize of a EXT3 partition (using gparted), data is intact, but I really needed those GBs. fsck gives it OK... how can I make the fs 'see' the extra 20GB?
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09:41<perk>doesn't gparted use external tools for fs stuff? (think it is because there is high bitrot in parted fs functionality.)
09:41<nsadmin>delete partition, make new partition, restore from the backup you made since you considered your data valuable
09:42<metalqga>nsadmin this is the last thing I want to do :(
09:42<vvas>... and might as well switch to ext4 while you're at it
09:43<perk>as long as you don't use postgres
09:43<metalqga>vvas worth trying
09:43<perk>or have an ups and mount with nobarrier
09:43<vvas>perk: link?
09:43<nsadmin>why what's wrong with postgres and ext4
09:43<perk>vvas, unlink!
09:43<perk>lurk moar
09:43<perk>hang on, i'll get the link :)
09:44<nsadmin>is that what it is? or postgres and what?
09:44<nsadmin><perk> as long as you don't use postgres
09:44<perk>postgres uses something that won't play well with the new guards in ext4
09:45<perk>massive performance hit
09:45<nsadmin>hmm. maybe it's the same performance hit as with raid5?
09:46<perk>figure 3 on page 3 with related content
09:46<nsadmin>I can't look at figures at this moment
09:46<perk>oh, that is if you use a fresh kernel with the guards
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09:47<perk>nsadmin, Transactions Per Second is down to 125 in 2.6.32 from 585 in earlier kernels
09:47<nsadmin>how does that compare to other databases?
09:47<perk>just saying that ext4 has some features you might want to know about.
09:47<perk>nsadmin, that, my friend, i don't know
09:48<nsadmin>right, appreciated
09:48<perk>i don't use postgres and i haven't digged deep in this
09:48<vvas>it gives some more explanation here:
09:48<perk>just want to spread som FUD^Winformation :)
09:48<vvas>doesn't really say what happened in the end though
09:48<metalqga>ok problem solved... found the missing GBs
09:48<vvas>the article is from two months ago, it might be old news by now
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09:49<nsadmin>metalqga: oh good... now back up...
09:49<metalqga>the whole thing is about me making a bigger raid 1 for my home partition
09:50<koollman>perk: nice FUD indeed ;)
09:50<nsadmin>and while you're backing up, make absolutely sure you can restore from the backup
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09:51<metalqga>nsadmin: that's the most important thing! ;)
09:51<nsadmin>those would be the two requirements... having the backup, and being able to restore it
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10:03<Woet>What would be the best way to defend against SYN floods?
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10:05<sdk>Heyas all. Trying to find out the feasability for migrating our Win2008 domain to Samba. I know this is not #samba, however I just want to know if anyone's tried it.
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10:07<dr|z3d>sdk: See if this sheds any light:
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10:08<sdk>Heh, I was trying to google samba pdc 2008 domain and I kept getting articles from 2008.. which is why I posted the question here. :) many thanks!
10:08<dr|z3d>sdk: query: "windows domain convert to samba debian linux howto"
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10:13<dr|z3d>sdk: Also:
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10:16<zathraz>Can someone please elaborate on the fact that a php5-suhosin extension exists in Lenny, yet php5 itself is not patched nor a separate patched php5 version seems to be available?
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10:19<seanius>zathraz: there is both a suhosin patch and a suhosin extension
10:19<seanius>seperate but related
10:19<zathraz>so I read
10:19<zathraz>hence my asking
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10:20<seanius>zathraz: php5 in lenny should be suhosin-patched
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10:20<seanius>but you don't need the patch for some faetures in the extension
10:20<zathraz>phpinfo does not give any suhosin settings when ran (with extension enabled but not patched)
10:21<zathraz>phpinfo says: This server is protected with the Suhosin Patch
10:21<zathraz>but does not show up in the zend engine. Nor are settings displayed
10:23<seanius>not familiar with the zend engine, sorry
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10:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:25<seanius>zathraz: i see suhosin settings in phpinfo output in my lenny chroot anyway
10:25<naxo>por favor
10:26<naxo>eso ya lo see
10:26<naxo>que me igas que es esto
10:26<naxo>el tipico programa de pardillos
10:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:28<zathraz>seanius: ty. I have more or less the same output. However I was looking at:
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10:29<zathraz>the screenshots there do not not look like my results
10:29<inglor>I am trying to load a Bootable ISO from PXE to the client. Anyone know a way to do that? So far 'netboot' installations of Various distros working fine.
10:31<zathraz>inglor, there are various howto's on that subject. Check google and the likes
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10:35<inglor>zathraz, I did but almost all are focucing in netboot installations and not bootable ISOs. From what I read some say use a grub to load an nfs shared iso, and some others say use ramdisk? I'm kinda confused
10:36<mase_>inglor don't shure if ISO's work via PXE;
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10:37<mase_>inglor why not extract the iso, share it via NFS and let the client boot kernel&initram, the using the extracted iso via nfs
10:37<benji280>hello help me please
10:37<mase_>("then using...")
10:38<benji280>install in imac ppc
10:38<zathraz>inglor, you probably need PXE to download an ISO from the server and boot from that. If you have a ramdisk or have grub running you are already booting from something. So in that case chainloading is needed I presume. Never looked at ISO booting. Sounds li<
10:38<zathraz>*Sounds like a slow process....
10:39<inglor>zathraz, ramdisk is out of question since I got 521MB and iso is 1.5Gb.
10:39<mase_>isn't it brutal to have a whole ISO as ramdisk
10:39<inglor>The procedure mase_ is proposing seems promising. but not sure I know how to do it :P
10:40<inglor>mase_, true :P unless you have 4gb which in my client pc I don't.
10:40<inglor>mase_, as for the extract iso and nfs share, i know how to do it.
10:40<inglor>mase_, but the part to boot kernel & initram well not quite sure
10:40<zathraz>inglor: boot, mount nfs share, dd to disk, boot disk
10:41<mase_>inglor you are using syslinux for PXE?
10:41<mase_>inglor on my side the relevant pxelinux.cfg line is:
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10:42<mase_>"append initrd=/tcs/initrd.img rw root=/dev/nfs nfsroot= vga=0x317 quiet"
10:42<mase_>for example.
10:42<inglor>I am using the files of netboot from debian mirrors
10:43<mase_>PXE in general is working?
10:43<inglor>yeah I can install debian from network.
10:44<mase_>hae? booting via PXE? or what are you going to do
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10:44<inglor>yeah from PXE
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10:44<mase_>and what is your problem again?
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10:46<inglor>currently the files located in /var/lob/tftpboot hold a mirror of the netboot from debian. So automatically install debian-lenny-386. But I want to install another distro from which I have only the bootable ISO and there is no netboot.
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10:47<inglor>So mounting the iso and share it through nfs, so far ok.
10:47<nisse>Hi guys! Simple question for ya: if I compile an app with g++, will it require libstdc++6 on the host system to run?
10:47<inglor>how will I intruct the client to load the ISO ?
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10:48<mase_>...and using the kernel and initram that are in the iso...
10:48<inglor>mase_, can I pm you ?
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11:25<junruh>How are you?
11:25<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
11:26<junruh>Oh, sorry, where I can find th #debian-offtopic
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11:30<sdk>O/T: YEE.. I just got approval to migrate all of our (well, all==6) servers to virtual systems on GNU/Linux!
11:30*sdk does happy dance
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11:34<sdk>I've always used epic4 w/ Splitfire for IRC. I just started using xchat, and I don't like it because it's not transparent (I run epic4 in Eterms in E17). Anyone have any opinions for a CLI based IRC client that is superior to epic4?
11:34<dpkg>hmm... irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
11:35<sdk>locklace: beaut. Many thanks.
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11:38<sdk>Ahhh... Much Better!
11:38<sdk>!beer locklace
11:38*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Guinness for locklace
11:38<EmleyMoor>irssi is a wonderful IRC client
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11:40<cahoot>sdk: what do you mean xchat not beeing possible to config for transparency?
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11:41<sdk>Never said that. I said it wasn't transparent. It was mainly just too 'big'.. all the sidebars and such.
11:42<dpkg>WeeChat is a light and extensible cross-platform <IRC> client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. #weechat on
11:42<sdk>I'm sure it could be pared down, but .. dunno, this is just nicer to my eye/way of working.
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11:58<Guest61>can anyone suggest a place to find information on configureing my bios properly for my video card
11:59<dpkg>[bios] Basic Input Output System - the part of your system that is responsible for initalizing the various part of a computer when it is booted. See also <flash bios> and <coreboot>.
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11:59<dpkg>somebody said coreboot was a great way to speed up your boot process., or formerly known as LinuxBIOS
12:00<nsadmin>replaced power supply (at) in ol gateway...
12:01<nsadmin>Guest61: why does it need configuring?
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12:01<Guest61>well mostly becouse i want to know what all that stuff means like apt size and 4x speed etc
12:02<Guest61>I want to learn to set my bios options to the best preformance options
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12:02<nsadmin>then it's hardware manuals and probably a course in pc hardware to start with
12:02<dr|z3d>Guest61: Grab your bios manual, check the specs of your graphics card, and google around for some optimzation guides.
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12:03<Guest61>i dont have the manual ... i guess i could try to download it
12:03<dr|z3d>Good guess.
12:03<nsadmin>plus make sure your card's capability and your monitor's capability are closely matched...
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12:04<Guest61>ty ... well im off for another round of searching ... thanks for the info
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12:05<nsadmin>a gigabyte videoram card and a monitor that won't do much more than 800x600, you'd have wasted some cash...
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12:06<nsadmin>similarly for graphics card and mobo
12:06<nsadmin>except you'd want to match slot speeds
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12:08<Woet>What is the best way to block SYN floods?
12:08<koollman>Woet: shut down the power
12:08<Woet>let me rephrase
12:09<Woet>What is the best way to block SYN floods while keeping my website online?
12:09<themill>pulling the network cable works too
12:09<nsadmin>contact the provider where they're coming from, ask them to take action against their customer
12:09<Woet>they're coming from a few hundred IP's
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12:09<Woet>both VPSes, servers and drones
12:09<nsadmin>then you have your work cut out for ya
12:09<Woet>well, 99% of the providers don't care about abuse reports
12:09<dr|z3d>Sounds like a botnet attack.
12:09<Woet>or take weeks to process them
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12:10<Maulkin>Woet: Go talk to your ISP
12:10<nsadmin>then contact the provider's provider
12:10<nsadmin>and so on
12:10<koollman>Woet: interesting. I have just done something very similar.
12:11<koollman>Woet: I used ha-proxy as a fronted to save an overloaded apache, and sprinkled a few rate-limiting iptables rules
12:11<koollman>(just done as in, the website wasn't responding since 20 minutes and works fine now)
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12:11<nsadmin>if the provider is threatened to have their connection pulled maybe he'll start listening
12:11<anton>msg dpkg lenny
12:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:13<nsadmin>anton: so... what is it?
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12:16<koollman>Woet: using this haproxy config : and rules like those : (with much higher limits to handle web traffic)
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12:24<DBNetwork>hi, I just installed debian sid on a system with a nvidia (G92) GPU, however, I get the same case as shown in bug #564255, which states it should be fixed in the current version
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12:24<DBNetwork>the non-free driver just crashes with a driver-level blank screen, so that's not an option for now
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12:28<DBNetwork>oh, wait, I know, are the mirrors outside of updated more slowly?
12:29<DBNetwork>... indeed, using -1. stupid me, will try :)
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12:35<shiznatix>Hello. I am trying to install debian from the net install but am having troubles with grub. I install everything just fine but when i install grub to the master boot record it keeps installing it to the usb stick i am using to install debian. how do i get it to install it to the actual HD?
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12:40<Guest61>seems like programs and the internet is responding slow since i installed ubuntu is that normal? this computer is 1.7G with 750M ram
12:40<sney>Guest61: this is not the ubuntu channel, please go to #ubuntu
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12:40<dr|z3d>Not normal, and not relevant to this channel.
12:41<Guest61>oh ... sorry loged in the wrong one
12:41<vvas>shiznatix: does it boot fine with the usb stick grub? if so, you could boot into the installed system and run grub-install / update-grub from therein
12:41<edhunter>shiznatix: how are you trying to do it? i mean did you mount the disk. are you sure that the options given to the command are correct? (correct device)
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12:42<vvas>edhunter, it's a known issue from what i can see
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12:43<edhunter>vvas: ok then. im not familiar with net install..
12:43<sney>shiznatix: try installing it just to the boot sector (not the mbr)... you can reinstall it to the mbr later when the system is running and the usb stick is disconnected, if you need to
12:45<MaRLBoRo>i install squeeze and got error message "Xserver not found" how will i fixed this?
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12:47<shiznatix>Ok, it does not boot correctly with the usb stick in after that, i tried installign again with setting the device to /dev/sdb which worked until i booted and it couldnt find the drive after i removed the usb stick. i am trying to do it again from a cd now
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12:55<shiznatix>Ok I fixed it with the cd net install. this is a bad bug though
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12:56<[Jason]>Yeah, I like USB installs o.O
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12:57<shiznatix>It was just how the usb and hd were being named durring the net install. the USB was considered the master HD and then when adding grub to the /dev/sdb and removing the usb and booting the OS couldnt find /dev/sdb anymore since it turned into hd0
12:58<shiznatix>but thanks for listening. fixed. done. thanks
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13:05<rjent>Greetings, what is the best way to provide video stream services with debian servers?
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13:14<fred1>rjent, why 'stream'? why not just put the video files in an httpd and let the player play them
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13:14<fred1>unless you intend to serve live video, in which case I dont know
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13:20<awoodland>other than kerberos is there a sane way to make NFS secure?
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13:21<awoodland>(on an untrusted network, between two trusted machines)
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13:24<rjent>fred1: I know little about video. I like the idea, so what format would be best to do the httpd sharing?
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13:24<awoodland>rjent: is bandwidth or CPU the limiting factor?
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13:25<berto>awoodland: what do you mean by "secure" ?
13:25<fred1>awoodland, suggest sshfs instead
13:26<awoodland>hmm sshfs wouldn't be too crazy with pam_mount I guess...
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13:27<locklace>awoodland: there's always ipsec
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13:33<locklace>!pie bja
13:33*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
13:34<bja>locklace: Nice to see you too, hope you had a merry Christmas
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13:39<kamal>I am new to gnome. suggest me an app for zip and rar files.
13:39<Carlsen>unzip and unrar?
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13:39<kamal>Carlsen: both
13:41<Carlsen>kamal: of ourse :)
13:42<kamal>Carlsen: oh sorry. got you now. well I would prefer a graphical app.
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13:42<rjent>awoodland: well the location has 10mbs ethernet and no equipment procured yet.
13:42<cahoot>kamal: simply right-click and choose?
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13:43<rjent>awoodland: So probably the only limit might be the locations connection of 10mbs ethernet circuit.
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13:43<kamal>cahoot: yeah sort of. or may be something like Ark in kde.
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13:43<cahoot>kamal: possibly you need install unrar an config nautilus to use that for your warez ;)
13:44<kamal>cahoot: any other option?
13:44<cahoot>for rar? no idea - never touch the stuff
13:44<kamal>cahoot: okay
13:45<petemc>perhaps fileroller handles it if you have unrar installed
13:45<kamal>petemc: okay
13:46<awoodland>rjent: h264 is the steaming HD format du jour
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13:47<rjent>awoodland: What would be the best way to have a page with an embedded player to play the said format?
13:48<petemc>if you know your users support it, just knock up some html5
13:48<rjent>awoodland: So I would convert video to h264 format then share from a web server?
13:49<awoodland>yes if clients will have suitable plugins installed
13:49<awoodland>(mplayer has a plugin under linux which should work)
13:49<awoodland>html5 is going to fix everything and make video play back nice
13:49<awoodland>(apparently, have they decided what video codecs to require/suggest yet?)
13:50<rjent>Ok I will make a sample and try.
13:50<petemc>i think thats stil a sticking point
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13:50<awoodland>flash can probably do it, but I'd have a preference for avoiding it
13:50<awoodland>and I have 0 experience with flash so can't comment on how easy/hard it'd be
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13:51<awoodland>(maybe java media framework added h264 support too, I'm speculating here...)
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14:00<odla>how can i import my bookmarks from epiphany into iceweasel?
14:02<odla>nevermind i solved it now
14:02<Name1ess>odla: I am not familliar with epiphany, but in Iceweasel, do File > Import ( you may need to Export the data from
14:02<Name1ess>ok :P
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14:09<rjent>awoodland and petemc: I will work on getting a video in the h264 format and sharing then I shall see what I do from there.
14:09<rjent>I have a stack of dvd's that the site wants published.
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14:19<sylar>why tightvncserver don't let me open on :0
14:19<sylar>display zero
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14:19<sylar>it say /tmp/.X0-lock is taken
14:20<sylar>I want to connect to display zero , no?
14:21<Gathond>you do?
14:21<bja>sylar: your connection to your local X Server is done at X0
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14:21<sylar>how am I supposed to share my desktop?
14:22<sney>he wants windows-style remote desktopping
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14:22<Gathond>x11vnc is what you want
14:22<sylar>is tight vnc work different on linux?
14:23<Gathond>the vnc servers purpose is to start new sessions and allow multiple people to have their own
14:23<Gathond>sylar: yes, most notably it assumes every person has its OWN desktop to watch
14:23<Gathond>which actually is also what RDP in windows 2003+ does
14:23<sylar>but I have opened now the extra session it did
14:23<Gathond>yes, so now you have 2 X sessions
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14:24<Gathond>this would be what I would call remote desktopping
14:24<sylar>and there is nothing there, just the desktop with no start menu
14:24<sylar>no icons
14:25<chomwitt>* are empty pages.
14:25<Gathond>right, vnc is probably not told to run any windowmanager
14:25<Gathond>I think it runs .xsession, but you better check that
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14:25<stroyan>sylar: The vncserver command starts a new, software only, X server to share. The x11vnc command reads the screen from a running X server.
14:25<Gathond>you can add kde or gnome's start command in there and it will launch that one
14:25<Gathond>I'm not sure gnome/kde can survice starting 2 copies as the same user though
14:26<Gathond>as they would mess with each others files during the operation
14:26<io_>I try to writte in french i use
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14:26<sylar>they should add a --normal-people
14:26<io_>but i get something like that :
14:26<io_>™ tà ™
14:27<io_>Is it a easy error ?
14:27<io_>or complicate
14:28<simonrvn>sylar: you mean it's too difficult for you to ad done line to a text file?
14:28<simonrvn>add one*
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14:28<sylar>not difficult anything when you know what to do
14:28<sylar>but I expected it o be like the windows version
14:28<edhunter>io_: latex? if yes you will probably find more help in #latex on
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14:30<simonrvn>he told you what to do. 'nough said.
14:30<zem>sylar: that might be your problem
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14:32<sylar>ok x11vnc work
14:32<io_>yes i was in the wrong line thanks edhunter
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14:32<edhunter>np io_
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14:33<xabras>hi all
14:34<edhunter>hi xabras
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14:34<xabras>it's my first time here
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14:35<edhunter>welcome :)
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15:08<rjent>awoodland and petemc: Attempting to use handbrake to convert dvd video to mp4 format to share.
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15:33<edju>anyone w/ a pointer to how to use resolvconf
15:35<lalo>buenas..alguien puede decirme como cambiar los permisos a los discos NTFS, para podere montarlos en el escritorio?
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15:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:47<armageddon>what repos should I add to go into testing ?
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15:47<fnmueller>armageddon: just change lenny to testing
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15:48<ml|>armageddon: /msg dpkg lenny->testing
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15:48<ml|>armageddon: * /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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15:50<armageddon>I have another question, I'm new to Debian/Linux (which is abvious), I just installed it and a lot of my hardware are seen but not working
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15:51<ml|>oh, nice they both work :)
15:51<armageddon>i.e. wireless (Realtek) and Bluetooth
15:51<armageddon>yes they do ml|
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15:52<armageddon>what can I do ?
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15:53<ml|>armageddon: ask dpkg about wifi while you wait for possible help
15:53<valdyn>armageddon: many realtek wlan chips need firmware, which is in non-free
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15:56<armageddon>lemme give you more information, I can see them under Hardware profiler and Benchmark
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16:16<Cadmium01>Every time I copy something to clipboard, it's lost if I close original window
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16:16<Cadmium01>Is there a way to change this behaviour in Debian?
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16:27<moi>is it a french chan ?
16:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:28<Guest96>ok thx
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17:51<Mish->I want to use sed to (in one sed command) swap "aaa" with "bbb" and at the same time, "bbb" with "aaa", any way to do that?
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17:54<BlackFate>Mish-, test="aaa bbb";set $test;echo "$2 $1"
17:54<BlackFate>Mish-, you only want sed>?
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17:55<tlyu>one sed command, or one invocation of the sed program?
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17:57<BlackFate>Mish-, another way echo "aaa bbb" | awk '{print $2,$1}'
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18:02<peej>mish: use backreferences
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18:10<peej> echo 'dafa aaa faaf bbb adfa' | sed -n 's/^\(.*\)\(aaa\)\(.*\)\(bbb\)\(.*$\)/\1\4\3\2\5/p'
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18:14<themill>peej: I'll swap you a -r for all the backslashes on the left side. (and -n and p are probably superfluous in this particular homework exercise)
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18:39<peej>themill, thanks. My sed is dismal.
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18:57<sean>Can some one help me with wierd wireless issue?
18:57<sean>my BCM4312 (eth1) is recieving an IP address on the wrong subnet???
18:58<sean>not even in the private range.
19:00<dr|z3d>sean: Are you sure it's taking a lease from _your_ ap?
19:01<sean>dr|z3d: yes, hidden SSID, mac filtering WPA... when i try static and ping gateway my own ip address IMCP's me desentation unreachable
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19:03<sean>dr|z3d: any ideas?
19:05<sean>anybody any ideas?
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19:07<abrotman>sean: someone else's AP ?
19:07<abrotman>sean: what IP is it getting ?
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19:10<sean>abrotman: it should be reciving IP
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19:20<amazonas>alguem quer tc
19:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:20<abrotman>sean: but 10.x.x.x is private
19:21<sean>abrotman: lol thats right !!! Hahaha still wrong subnet its subnetted Class C in the usual class A range. Dam apple routers
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19:22<sean>abrotman: point is completely out of the box IP Address . Cant hit my gateway. nothing works.
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19:28<mob>hey all
19:30<mob>n e one supporting backtrack?
19:30<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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19:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:32<abrotman>sean: i asked you if it was your AP or another
19:32<sean> abrotman: mine
19:32<abrotman>and another wireless device gets on the right subnet ?
19:33<sean>other ones in the house yes
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19:34<bja>sean: x.x.x.255 is usually the broadcast address for local networks
19:35<sean>bja: not a network guy haha. so i ment 10.0.1.X / 32 i believe is possible a correct notation. IP should have started with 10.0.1.
19:35<TwoOhFour>For a LAN IP?
19:36<sean>WLAN IP but yes
19:36<bja>sean: you can allways try to set it up manually
19:37<sean>bja: i set it static and still NO
19:37<bja>sean: iwconfig is your friend
19:38<sean>dja: used nm-applet to connect the ifconfig eth1 netmask
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19:40<bja>sean: let me take a look at some script around here and i'll post you the oneliner
19:40<sean>bja: thank you
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19:47<TwoOhFour>Is there a way I can go back to my terminal, without completely exiting irssi and having to start it up again.
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19:48<danny>is anyone good at bash shell scripting?
19:48<sean>TwoOhFour: look into screen
19:48<abrotman>danny: ask a better question
19:48<TwoOhFour>sean: Thanks, will do.
19:48<bja>sean: iwconfig eth1 essid what_ever_your_lan_is_called key your_key commit; ifconfig eth1 10.0.1.x
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19:50<abrotman>danny: no need to msg me
19:50<abrotman>danny: you can ask in here, or try #bash on
19:50<bja>danny: state your question, maybe someane can answear it on the fly
19:51<danny>k...well I will tell you what the script involves and maybe that will help..
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19:52<sean>Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
19:53<bja>sean: what is the next line after that
19:54<sean>bja: none
19:55<sean>sytax was off in some way it wanted an encode mode as an argument i think ?
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19:55<danny>I have to create a script that requires one input argument. The script should print out a USAGE statement with a non-zero exit code. Then when the argument (number 1-6) is entered, the script should output: THE PROCESS ID FOR THE MINGETTY ON TTY# IS ####. where tty# represents the terminal entered, and #### is the process id number.
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19:55<sean>bja: sorry next line was invalid argument password
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19:56<danny>if [ $# -lt 1 ]
19:56<danny>echo "USAGE gettys.bash [NUMBER]"
19:56<danny>echo "Use only one NUMBER!"
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19:57<danny>did you guys get anything I sent on the script?
19:57<TwoOhFour>Yes it showed up.
19:58<TwoOhFour>to echo "Use only one NUMBER!""
19:58<danny>if [ $# -lt 1 ]
19:58<danny>echo "USAGE gettys.bash [NUMBER]"
19:58<danny>echo "Use only one NUMBER!"
19:58<danny>echo "Input must be a NUMBER 1-6."
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19:59<TwoOhFour>Well anyway..
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20:02<bja>sean: somehow you managed to give a wrong key format, take a look at man iwconfig for the right format
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20:10<Bluehaze>looking to share a folder in my linux so i can access via a mac. is there any easy way to do this?
20:11<bja>Bluehaze: man nfs
20:11<abrotman>smb is probably easier
20:12<bja>abrotman: smb and macs don't precisely mix well
20:12<Bluehaze>figured it would have to be nfs protocol.
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20:13<bja>Bluehaze: you can allways scp from one to the other
20:13<Bluehaze>oh you can use scp on mac?
20:14<Bluehaze>i use winscp. but was not sure on mac
20:14<bja>mac is bsd
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20:15<TwoOhFour>Should just be able to connect via SSH and SCP through the terminal on a Mac I would think?
20:15<bja>you have to find a console and it is a standard unix "bsd flavoured" although you don't have root access
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20:16<abrotman>bja: uh .. it works just fine
20:16<kenyon>you can have root access on OSX
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20:16<Bluehaze>i c what you are saaying. sorry. i need a user friendly way. like winscp. not for me.. but for another user who is not so good with terminal. but i am forced to give her a linux machine
20:17<kenyon>Bluehaze: cyberduck is my favorite file transfer program for OSX
20:17<dpkg>well, filezilla is a cross-platform FTP, <SFTP> and FTPS (FTP over SSL/TLS) client, packaged for Debian. It has been designed for ease of use and support for as many features as possible, while still being fast and reliable. #filezilla on
20:17<themill>(mac client available)
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20:17<Bluehaze>thanks guys
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20:18<danny>f [ $# -lt 1 ]
20:18<danny>echo "USAGE gettys.bash [NUMBER]"
20:18<danny>echo "Use only one NUMBER!"
20:18<danny>echo "Input must be a NUMBER 1-6."
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20:19<bja>abrotman: Next time i get a mac to play with i'll give you a call to set it right
20:19<kenyon>danny is having issues
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20:19<kenyon>!tell danny about pastebin
20:19<TwoOhFour>@danny use
20:20<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
20:21<kenyon>IRC is a harsh world
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20:24<kenyon>danny: what is your question?
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20:26<danny>that is what I have to have the script do...but I think I'm missing something in there and I was going to see if someone can help me out..
20:26<kenyon>danny: remove the spaces after the equal signs
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20:28<danny>it still list every single tty and do I make it just list the two from what I enter in as the input?
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20:29<edbian>How can I use netstat to check a bunch of the ports on another computer on my lan??
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20:30<heavenraiser>Tired of NIGGERS? Sick of their monkeyshines? Would you rather never have to deal with the fecal-colored beast? Then you are not alone! Join us at Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! We welcome anybody who isn't a NIGGER and who HATES NIGGERS!
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20:31<kenyon>edbian: ssh othercomputer netstat
20:31<heavenraiser>Tired of NIGGERS? Sick of their monkeyshines? Would you rather never have to deal with the fecal-colored beast? Then you are not alone! Join us at Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! We welcome anybody who isn't a NIGGER and who HATES NIGGERS!
20:31<noflash>!ops heavenraiser is a racist
20:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: noflash complains about: heavenraiser is a racist
20:31<KC|Laptop>we heard you the firstt
20:31<ml|>!ops heavenraiser lokk...
20:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: heavenraiser lokk...
20:32-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
20:32<heavenraiser>channel emergency
20:32<heavenraiser>Tired of NIGGERS? Sick of their monkeyshines? Would you rather never have to deal with the fecal-colored beast? Then you are not alone! Join us at Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! We welcome anybody who isn't a NIGGER and who HATES NIGGERS!
20:32-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*] by mentor
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20:32<KC|Laptop>he must have a stutter
20:32-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ
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20:32<ml|>mentor: thanks
20:32<mentor>A key on his keyboard must have got stuck down
20:32<streuner>mentor: thanks
20:32<mentor>Thanks for calling
20:32<KC|Laptop>what a bad fellow
20:33<ml|>they do that from time to time :/
20:33<TwoOhFour>What a coincidence that that would happen, as I'm typing a paper about the novel Huckleberry Finn, if you have read it you will know what I'm talking about.
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20:33<TwoOhFour>I guess things never change...
20:35<abrotman>in high school?
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21:36-!-streuner is "Kurt Neuenfeldt" on #debian #debian-boot #debian-www %#debian-devel
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22:01<twb>"Failed to fetch Write error - write (28: No space left on device)"
22:01<twb>Where is it trying to write that file?
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22:01<twb>AFAICT /var/lib/apt/lists has plenty of space
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22:03<TwoOhFour>Try "du" to see how much space you have used.
22:03<twb>TwoOhFour: already did that.
22:03<TwoOhFour>You have plenty left?
22:04<twb>TwoOhFour: yes, I'm assuming because /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is emptied after the failure
22:04<TwoOhFour>Are you trying it using sudo, or running it as root?
22:04<twb>OK, that was damn weird. If I use chroot instead of vzctl enter, it works.
22:05<twb>And now it works with vzctl...
22:05<TwoOhFour>Well there ya go.
22:06<twb>If I bounce the VM, and thus remount the tmpfs on /var/lib/apt/lists, it goes back to giving the "out of space" error.
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22:06<TwoOhFour>You are running it in a VM?
22:06<twb>Yes, this is an OpenVZ VM.
22:07<TwoOhFour>I'm not familiar with that VM. What's the host OS?
22:07<twb>Unfortunately, it's Ubuntu 8.04. The guest is squeeze/sid
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22:08<TwoOhFour>Hmm, well is there space left on the host drive? My guess would be something on the host is using space temporarily and when that space gets emptied your VM has space to use, but once the host takes it up the VM can't use it anymore.
22:08<twb>TwoOhFour: it's a tmpfs.
22:09<TwoOhFour>On the VM?
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22:09<twb>When the chroot is "made active", I'm mounting a 256MB tmpfs on /var/lib/apt/lists and mkdir'ing /var/lib/apt/lists/partial.
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22:09<twb>I suspect that OpenVZ is in some way being stupid about tmpfs.
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22:12<twb>This is the disk allocation within the VM:
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22:14<TwoOhFour>twb: You want to write to the /var/lib/apt/lists one?
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22:16<twb>I assume "apt-get update" writes there and only there.
22:17<TwoOhFour>twb: Why would you want that on a temp.?
22:17<twb>TwoOhFour: because the system has gobs of memory and it doesn't need to persist between outages.
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22:18<twb>And it avoids needing to bump the disk quotas for some of the VMs, which theoretically was more effort.
22:18<TwoOhFour>Okay. I'm wondering if there is a limit that a temp can hold, and it clears out old information to make room for new, if you are trying to write over that limit you might get an error. Just a guess.
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22:18<twb>"theoretically" because of this bug.
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22:37<adb>twb, mv /var/lib/apt/lists /tmp ; rm -R /var/lib/apt/lists ; ln -s /tmp/lists /var/lib/apt/
22:37<TwoOhFour>rm -rf /
22:38<TwoOhFour>No don't do that ^!
22:38<TwoOhFour>twb: Try what adb said.
22:39<adb>rtfm -reRead / ..
22:39<twb>adb: er, but /tmp has a smaller maximum size
22:40<adb>change /tmp to where are pain resources
22:40<twb>"pain resources"?
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22:41<benji124>Hi, what is the favorite way to add env vars? ( which file )
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22:41<kenyon>benji124: depends on your shell
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22:42<benji124>kenyon, /etc/profile & /etc/environment are not good?
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22:43*twb grumbles about /etc/environment.
22:43<luis_>hola coo va tengo una consulta sobre musix
22:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:43<twb>!tell luis_ -about es
22:43<luis_>na habla espa;ol
22:43<TwoOhFour>Mi hablo poco espanol.
22:44<adb>a qui inglese
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22:44<luis_>que grande tengo problemas con el rakarrack
22:44<twb>Please stop with the horrible pidgin spanish.
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22:45<TwoOhFour>Que es rakarrack?
22:45<twb>luis_: not you, the English speakers.
22:46<TwoOhFour>Tengo un certificado en espanol....
22:46<adb>!tell TwoOhFour -about es |
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22:47<TwoOhFour>I speak English as well..
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22:50<User_007>Guys, i need help... I want to sync my Zire 21 with my Debian Squeeze... I found it with lsusb, i installed jpilot, pilot-link and gnome-pilot. I had no sucess..
22:50<glasya>how do i disable ipv6 via the old grub?
22:51<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
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22:51<glasya>thanks adb
22:52<User_007>ps: Zire 21 is a palmtop.. an old one...
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22:55<User_007>if i try to sync it by an wrong port, it shows an error message, if i put the right one (or what i think right), it takes a looong time and dont conect...
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22:56<sdk_>for various reasons, I have to install the fglrx-driver. I'm running Sid, w/ XOrg 7.5. apt-get bombs with the dependency of xserver-xorg >=7.4. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this broken dependency?
22:57<sdk_>bjsm: /join #debian-cn
22:57<bjsm>Join #debian-cn
22:57<bjsm>join debian-cn
22:57<sdk_>bjsm: do a /leave #debian then do /join #debian-cn
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22:57<twb>I did it by changing the entry in /etc/modprobe.d
22:57<bjsm>sdk_, thank U
22:57<sdk_>bjsm: np.. Peace.
22:58<sdk_>twb: was that to me?
22:58<twb>oh, /me reads more scrollback
22:58<bjsm>sdk_, are U a bot?
22:58<sdk_>bjsm: nope.
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22:59<bjsm>please do it.(say good bye with me)
22:59<sdk_>bjsm: I am a carbon based life form, occasionally capable of original thought and some semblance of creativity.
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23:00<bjsm>please do it.(say good bye with me)
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23:01<sdk_>So, anyone have ideas on how to fix the broken dependency between fglrx-driver and it's requirement of XOrg >7.4 when I'm running 7.5?
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23:01<bjsm>sdk_, YOU are a big bot!!!!
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23:02<sdk_>bjsm: goodbye with me. Happy now? are you trolling, or do you actually have a question?
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23:03<Craighton>where is the file located that houses all the packages mirrors
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23:03<Craighton>the one that tells Debian where to get the packages on the web
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23:03<ml|>dpkg: sources.list
23:03<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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23:05<bjsm>sdk_, I do have a problem, I know you are not a BOT, I would like to ask, E17 configuration file in what position, I would like to re-configure it.
23:06<dpkg>[e17] The <Enlightenment> DR17 (Development Release) window manager is packaged for Debian as e17 in <unstable>. Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. See also
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23:08<sdk_>bjsm: E17, if you built it yourself is probably located in one of two areas, either /opt/e17 or in /usr/local. You cannot 'reconfigure' E17, you have to either remove it and start over, or you can try and just rename /home/bjsm/.e to /home/bjsm/.orig.e then restart your system.
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23:10<sdk_>bjsm: if you installed E17 with apt, then you can simply 'apt-get --purge remove e17', delete the /home/bjsm/.e directory, then 'apt-get install e17'
23:13<sdk_>Grr.. I am w/o browser capacity atm, except for lynx. can someone please check the experimental repositories and see if there is a version of flgrx-driver more recent than the version in Sid? Please?
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23:14<sdk_>nm, I'll change sources.list and do an update to see what versions are out there. Sorry to ask for something like that.
23:16<craigevil>sdk_: you are pretty much screwed until a newer fglrx makes its way into sid, the one in exp wont install either, try using the xserver-xorg-video-ati or -radeon for now
23:19<sney>one of those will at least provide 2d functionality I'm sure
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23:24<Daemonic>I need to disable a broken touchpad on a sony vaio laptop. I have tried removing the synaptics entry in xorg.conf, I have tried tpconfig, what can I do to completely disable it?
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23:26<sdk_>craigevil: sney: got it back, thanks. I was so focused on moving forward that I didn't think about rolling back. duh.
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23:29<sney>Daemonic: bios?
23:29<Daemonic>sney, negative. no option in bios.
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23:30<Daemonic>if I cannot get this pos disabled I will be forced to install windows back on my laptop. =( I've googled for hours now.
23:30<Daemonic>it completely screws everything up
23:30<sney>unplug it
23:31<Daemonic>its a vaio laptop. I am not taking it apart. its quite compact.
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23:32<sney>hmm, does it register input under /dev/input/mice ?
23:33<sney>and presumably you're trying to use an external mouse, right?
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23:35<gsimmons>Daemonic: man synaptics; TouchpadOff 1 should suffice.
23:36<Daemonic>gsimmons, tried that.
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23:37<sney>my next idea would be to go to /dev/input and figure out which (mouse0, mouse1, etc) points to your external mouse, then tell xorg.conf to use that instead of the all-encompassing mice
23:38<Daemonic>that is what I am trying next.
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