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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-28

---Logopened Thu Jan 28 00:00:08 2010
00:00*jmarsden didn't know Debian packaging was that amusing!
00:01<muppet>it is when you figure out what went wrong :)
00:01<jmarsden>OK :)
00:01<muppet>64bit packages made... now for 32.
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00:13<twb>snogglethorpe: this'd be a more appropriate place to grumble at d-i, if you aren't already doing so
00:13<snogglethorpe>twb: yeah but then they'll yell at me for not using whatever exact version is the one they pretend to support is
00:14<twb>I doubt it
00:14<snogglethorpe>hmm, maybe i can use an ip address instead of a hostname
00:14<snogglethorpe>some machiens returned for that hostname seem to work, others don't
00:14<twb>snogglethorpe: pick one IP that resolves to, and then tell d-i to use that IP instead of letting it resolve it
00:15<snogglethorpe>yea that's what i mean
00:15<snogglethorpe>hmm, seems to work
00:15<snogglethorpe>twb: yay! that worked
00:16<snogglethorpe>oh wait...
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00:16<snogglethorpe>of course setting the clock from network time server failed
00:17<snogglethorpe>(but debian's default time servers have never worked for me from any location)
00:17<snogglethorpe>(even at home where there's no proxy)
00:18<twb>I usually use
00:18<snogglethorpe>oh hahah
00:18<snogglethorpe>it failed "Can't check signature: public key not found"
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00:19<snogglethorpe>can i tell it "continue anyway"?
00:19<snogglethorpe>(it has a <continue> button but that just continues to abort the installation...)
00:20<snogglethorpe>if i choose "stable", that's old enough that this installer has the right key
00:20<edbian>What IDE do you use on linux?
00:21<snogglethorpe>(but shouldn't it give an _option_ of installing despite an unknown key...?!)
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00:23<twb>snogglethorpe: did you get the stable or testing d-i?
00:23<snogglethorpe>twb: dunno, it's been a while since i grabbed it; i think it was testing tho
00:23<twb>These kinds of failures are common with the testing d-i, because it's autobuilt daily or weekly
00:24<twb>When it happens, I just go back to the stable d-i and then follow !stable->testing post-install.
00:24<snogglethorpe>btw, is teh "targetted" initrd actually much of a risk in practice?
00:24<twb>snogglethorpe: define "targetted"
00:24<snogglethorpe>twb: yeah that's what i'm gonna do
00:24<snogglethorpe>twb: it asks whether you want "generic" or "targetted" initrd, where the latter autodetects the drivers needed and only includes those on the initrd
00:25<twb>That must be some new yaird thing
00:25<snogglethorpe>since the installer is already runnign, i presume its knowledge of what modules are needed is reasoanbly accurate
00:26<kenyon>I think that's not a new question, it's just low priority, so you normall don't see it in d-i
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00:26<gsimmons>twb: It corresponds with the MODULES variable in initramfs.conf ; /msg dpkg targeted
00:26<twb>gsimmons: thanks
00:27<twb>My (sid) /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ is empty :-(
00:28<snogglethorpe>hm, i wonder if the weird behavior of some of the hosts returned for is due to local network pecularities, or an out-of-date host list at debian's dns...?
00:28<twb>snogglethorpe: there is no "debian's dns".
00:28<twb>It'll use whatever DNS server your DHCP server tells it to use.
00:29<snogglethorpe>twb: well whoever's resolving
00:29<twb>snogglethorpe: ask /etc/resolv.conf from vt2
00:30<gsimmons>twb: That's fine, all d-i does is create a conf.d/driver-policy similar to
00:30<twb>okey dokey
00:30<snogglethorpe>well finally this install seems to be kicking along
00:31<snogglethorpe>twb: thanks for putting up with my whining...
00:31<twb>Dude, there is WAY more whining going on in meatspace where I am right now
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01:05<muppet>finally my preps for going to lenny can begin
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01:44<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i have two wired network cards hooked up to my system; how do i disable usb eth1 permanently without removing the card, i need this usb card to be able to be mounted in vm
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01:51<jm_>why not simpl rename it to eth2 and your other card will become eth1?
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01:52<jmarsden>No need to rename things, or disable the NIC in the host OS. Just bridge the VM's virtual NIC onto the real usb eth1.
01:53<jm_>ahh I misunderstood, you want to use usb thing in vm, not eth1
01:53<jmarsden>Details will probably depend on what virtualization software you are using...
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01:55<paranoidphreak>jm_: sorry if i didn't make my self clear; i have two networks and i want my host machine to access one network and my vm to access a different network
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01:56<paranoidphreak>jm_: and when i'm not using the vm, i don't want the usb network card to connect to any network
01:56<paranoidphreak>jm_: the usb network card is ethernet base
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01:57<jm_>paranoidphreak: right, simply don't configure it if you don't want it to be used
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01:57<vulc4n>anyone have any tips for doing permissions in /srv/www?
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01:58<jmarsden>paranoidphreak: I'd do as I suggested and use iptables rules on the host to limit which IP address (host or VM) can get to which network.
01:59<paranoidphreak>jm_: that's simply said then done; whenever, i get out of the vm, it connects on the host
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01:59<snogglethorpe>stupid gnoem networkamnager
02:00<snogglethorpe>crashes every 5 seconds, and seems turn of network interfaces at random...
02:00<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: oh, isn't there a way to disable it completely on the host?
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02:01<jmarsden>paranoidphreak: well, if you disable network manager and only configure the other card in /etc/network interfaces, I doubt it will do much in the host. Right now probably network manager is automatically messing with it.
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02:01<simonrvn>it does tend to do that ....
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02:02<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: in these situation, i wish i was using windows, lol
02:02<jmarsden>Why/ Windows tends to auto configure devices too...
02:03<twb>jmarsden: only if the device is older than the windows release
02:03<twb>Otherwise it just sits there
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02:04<jmarsden>Anyone calling themselves paranoidphreak should be very wary indeed of running a closed source OS, anyway :)
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02:04<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: yeah, i could simply disable the network card that i didn't want to use but in linux, something else
02:05<twb>Kids call themselves all sorts of things.
02:05<twb>Presumably because their real names are things like "agatha" or "hamilton"
02:05<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: lol, that's the main reason i switch to linux
02:05<jmarsden>paranoidphreak: If you disabled in it Windows, how would the VM see it enough to use it? Anyway... just learn enough Linux to do what you need.
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02:08<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: i tried that, i've been googling and haven't found a solution yet............i guess i'll keep on trying
02:09<jm_>paranoidphreak: just ensure NM doesn't mess with it
02:09<twb>You "disable" an interface by not listing it in /etc/network/interfaces
02:09<twb>Of course, NM should be purged from any system that you want to work at all...
02:09<jmarsden>paranoidphreak: Huh? Disable network manager, edit network interfaces to only know about the one card... job done. Which I said earlier...
02:11<paranoidphreak>jmarsden: thanks
02:11<jmarsden>paranoidphreak: You're welcome.
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02:12*jmarsden heads for bed... trying to get rid of bronchitis, maybe a bit of extra rest will help... goodnight all.
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02:30<K0JIbKA>Hi all!
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03:06<Haricophile>Hello, xorg don't use hal anyway since last update of squeeze ?
03:06<Torsten_W>that's right
03:07<Torsten_W>it's using udev now, for input devices
03:07<Haricophile>where I tune my mouse ?
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03:07<Haricophile>(trackball logitech)
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03:10<jm_>Haricophile: udev rules
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03:13<Haricophile>Where I can see a template for configure buttons and z-x z-y mapping ?
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03:15<jm_>maybe try /lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules
03:15<Haricophile>ok, thank you
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03:49<twb>udev has its fingers in xorg now?
03:49<jm_>twb: instead of needing hal I guess
03:50<muppet>pick your fingers :)
03:50<twb>I went straight from 7.3 to experimental to avoid hal
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03:51<twb>But I don't have that udev rule. maybe it's provided by the xorg driver package that isn't evdev.
03:51<jm_>that's in synaptics for example
03:51<twb>xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.2.1-1
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03:52<twb>And yet I can't get KMS to correctly handle adding/removing an external LCD, without resorting to X
03:54<jm_>yeah I don't remember hearing about any non-X CLI tools to mess with KMS
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04:02<twb>What happens now is that it displays mirrored 800x480px on both onboard and external monitor, but actually runs the external monitor at (say) 1440x900 -- simply leaving the remaining area blank.
04:03<twb>But it only does that if I boot with the monitor connected -- I know of no way to make KMS rescan
04:04<twb>Nor do I know how to make it show different content on each head, or even to disable the onboard head and run fbcon at 1440x900
04:04<jm_>my bet is we will see something new in 2-3 years time:)
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04:05<twb>Hmm, I wonder -- WTF? After the upgrade to the -trunk- kernel, it's disabling the onboard head permanently, and driving it at 1440x900.
04:05<twb>I wonder what happens if I rmmod and modprobe again.
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04:07<twb>Grr, I can't rmmod it
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04:15<venu>hi i want to install bazaar in my Linux OS
04:16<venu>so i want help in installing/configuring bazaar in GNU/Linux
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04:17<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
04:17<jmm>je suis venu, j'ai vu, j'ai pas ete poli.
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04:17<jm_>there, reference explains it
04:18<venu>hi i want to install bazaar in my Linux OS. so i want help in installing/configuring bazaar in GNU/Linux
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04:20<jmm>ho hi jm_ btw.
04:21<jm_>venu: see above and ask dpkg about "reference"
04:21<jm_>then read package management section
04:21<jm_>jmm: 'lo
04:22<diggy>dpkg: hello
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04:26<santa>how do i downld torrents in debian.....yes m new
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04:26<jm_>santa: with a torrent client
04:26<santa>nmae it
04:26<jm_>there are many, i recommend rtorrent
04:26<muppet>apt-cache search torrent
04:26<jm_>look for something else if you want a GUI app
04:26<santa>ty j,mupppet
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04:29<diggy>cold someone give me a link to dpkg's bot command list
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04:29<jm_>!my factoids
04:29<dpkg>My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <opensearch>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>
04:29<jm_>so someone can
04:29<diggy>i searching on debian site but couldn't find it
04:30<diggy>jm_: thanks
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04:33<simplechat>are there debian releases for armv4l ?
04:33<jm_>diggy: nw
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04:45<frunsk>hi im having problem using my mapi protocol plugin for evolution,,, the evo devs say that there's a dependency problem concerning openchange and evolution-mapi plugins
04:46<Scorpion>ll Show how to create a vpn connection with username and password
04:46<Scorpion>debian lenny 5.03
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04:49<rasel>key file is not found
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04:50<jmm>rasel: there is a very cool #openvpn channel on
04:51*simplechat seconds this
04:51<rasel>thaank you
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05:31<snogglethorpe>so how is one supposed to get wifi going on debian...?
05:31<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>.
05:34<jm_>K0JIbKA: please don't msg/noice me -- "/msg dpkg my factoids" to get info on how to get all factoids
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05:59<twb>snogglethorpe: step #1 is to buy a chipset that works with a FOSS driver
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05:59<snogglethorpe>twb: hard to say, but it looks like there's at least a wlan0 device present
06:00<twb>snogglethorpe: so it's working. Yay!
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06:00<snogglethorpe>tho network-manager-gnome doesn't actually seem to think it's a network device
06:00<jcdubacq>hello, I am looking for help with using reprepro to store binary packages without deleting older versions
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06:00<twb>NM should FOAD
06:00<snogglethorpe>twb: yeah
06:00<snogglethorpe>just gotta figure out what to do ...
06:00<twb>It MIGHT leave the iface alone if you've listed it in interfaces(5)
06:00<jcdubacq>I used to use apt-ftparchive, but it is too slow
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06:01<twb>jcdubacq: your own packages?
06:01<twb>Don't you just use dpkg-scanpackages by hand?
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06:01<jcdubacq>packages from debian archive or other archives
06:02<snogglethorpe>hm anyway to find out my "networkname"?
06:02<jcdubacq>When I deploy a version of debian, I want to store all relevant packages to redeploy later
06:02<twb>snogglethorpe: you mean your BSSID?
06:02<jm_>jcdubacq: apt-move doesn't do that?
06:02<snogglethorpe>twb: i guess so
06:02<twb>snogglethorpe: you walk up to the sysadmin and ask him
06:02<snogglethorpe>i thought there was a way to scan for networks, since i c other people doing that
06:03<snogglethorpe>(sysadmin type guy is gone)
06:03<twb>snogglethorpe: or you run wpasupplicant with the "don't fork, output debugging to stdout" option
06:03<twb>wpasupplicant -dwext -iwlan0 -D ? Something like that
06:03<twb>It might also be on a sticky label on the wifi AP itself.
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06:17<frunsk>im trying to install debian in a pc needing drivers found only on kernel 2.6.30, is there any netinstall iso with that kernel version or any way to boot that kernel version?
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06:19<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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06:26<simplechat>hey, i'm trying to give a chroot access to some directories outside its chroot
06:27<simplechat>i'm ending up with "Too many levels of symbolic links"
06:27<simplechat>it works outside the chroot
06:27<frunsk>tnx petemc
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06:33<screenn>how to change running script to run syslogd with -r -m0 options?
06:35<jm_>screenn: this doesn't look like it's from debian
06:35<simplechat>mount --bind is awesome
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06:36<jm_>it is very handy in some situations yes
06:37<screenn>jm_ sorry, confuse ssh consoles :)
06:38<jm_>screenn: debian way is to set it in /etc/default/syslogd
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06:41<screenn>we have rsyslogd by default in debian, why not the syslogd?
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06:46<jm_>more features I guess
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06:50<latenal>hello, how to increase my laptop display rate? It is 50Hz (instead of 60) now.
06:51<jm_>latenal: typically the driver would use the best possible mode, you should see some details about it in Xorg.0.log
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06:59<latenal>jm_: what should i look for?
07:00<jm_>latenal: where it asks monitor for DDC data, it will mention modes
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07:02<santa>is there ne way i can play counter strike on debby
07:03<petemc>perhaps with wine
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07:04<Eragon>Can anyone here help me with a small thing about installing Debian?
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07:04<petemc>just ask
07:04<Eragon>I've downloaded and burned it,
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07:05<twb>I just tried using <targeted> in my update-initramfs.conf, and broke it.
07:05<Eragon>And I already got Windows XP installed, so I understood I need to install debian on another partition,
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07:05<gsimmons>twb: Success!
07:05<Eragon>Problem is - I don't know where can I change the partition that Debian will be installed on.
07:05<twb>AFAICT it now tries to mount /dev/sda1 on /root before /dev/sda1 exists
07:05<petemc>Eragon: the installer has a partition editor
07:06<diggy>Eragon: on some of installer step he will ask you for this
07:06<Eragon>I already got 2 partitions on my computer, C and D
07:06<Eragon>Oh, ok,
07:06<twb>If I just run "mount /dev/sda1 /root" as soon as I'm dropped to busybox, it mounts just fine.
07:06<Eragon>And if I already have data on the D partition (Which I intend to install Debian on), It wont harm it in any way and will still be accessible via Windows XP, correct?
07:07<twb>So: is there a /proc/cmdline way to tell a targeted initrd "slow down, there, tiger" ?
07:07<jm_>twb: would it help if you pass rootdelay ?
07:07<twb>jm_: that's the one!
07:07<latenal>Eragon: "Acronis Disk Director Suite" helped me once
07:08<jm_>Eragon: debian will format the selected partition
07:08<Eragon>Oh, that's not good :)
07:08<Eragon>Is using a disk partition program like the one latenal suggested got any chance of hurting my files?
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07:08<twb>Hm, apparently it's a fixed wait period, not a timeout
07:09*twb reboots instead of waiting for rootdelay=9999
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07:09<latenal>Eragon: it didn't hurt my files
07:09<Eragon>I'll try, but first make a backup - just in case.
07:10<petemc>Eragon: installing debian on the second partition will destroy any data on it
07:10<Eragon>The demo version of Acronis allows me to make more partitions without deleting existing data?
07:10<petemc>that should be kinda obvious
07:10<petemc>Eragon: you can resize partitions tho, if you have enough free space
07:10<jm_>gparted can also resize partitions
07:11<Eragon>I am running Windows XP now..
07:12<twb>rootdelay didn't work, and now /dev/sda1 "doesn't exist", even though it does.
07:12<diggy>as I know debian can be installed on fat32 too?
07:12<latenal>jm-: there's nothing except for the line: Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
07:12<diggy>or not?
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07:13<twb>Phew, the latest sid netinst initrd has the atl2 driver.
07:13<twb>I can probably bounce through d-i's "rescue" target
07:13<jm_>latenal: put your logfile on some pastebin
07:13<jm_>diggy: certainly not
07:14<diggy>hm, then i
07:14<diggy>'m wrong
07:14<gsimmons>twb: Was just about to suggest using the initramfs backup (if still generic) instead.
07:14<jm_>it was possible in the past using umsdos fs, but I think that has long been removed from the kernel
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07:16<twb>Oh, guess what
07:16<twb>update-initramfs leaves a .bak initrd
07:16<twb>I should've bloody tried tab completing in extlinux
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07:17<twb>It's very strange, though -- it seems almost like the =dep rd is running everything in /scripts/ at once
07:18<twb>It prints something like "Mounting root... Running local top... Done\n<errors>"
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07:20<jm_>latenal: ok, does 'xrandr -q' list other modes too?
07:20<twb>diggy: you could fake it by having a FAT32 filesystem containing syslinux, the kernel, ramdisk, and a 2GB root.ext2 filesystem-on-a-file.
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07:21<jm_>latenal: looking at this it suggests you'd need to tell it which mode to use by hand
07:21<jm_>I wonder what it would do on my system, I never really tried using nvidia driver with auto-select mode option enabled
07:22<gsimmons>jm_: UMSDOS was removed in 2.6.11 AFAIK; /msg dpkg umsdos
07:22<latenal>jm_: yes,
07:22<jm_>gsimmons: right, I remembered it was some early 2.6 time
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07:23<jm_>latenal: but it only lists single refresh rate for most of the modes
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07:25<latenal>so, is there any chance to change my refresh rate?
07:26<twb>While I'm making my system unbootable, can I tell update-initramfs to use xz or lzma?
07:27<petemc>latenal: you should be able to do that with xrandr, or via xorg.cong
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07:28<twb>What xrandr reports by default is the result of a DDC probe of the monitor (at least for VGA)
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07:29<latenal>petemc: xorg.conf sounds good, but i don't realy know how to that
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07:30<latenal>twb: same as
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07:30<jm_>latenal: specify a modeline and then use it in xorg.conf
07:30<ml|>latenal: this can help you with both ...
07:31<twb>FYI, stock Debian kernel can handle .lzma, but not .xz, ramdisks
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07:32<jm_>what's .xz used for?
07:32<locklace>it's the new lzma
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07:32<Eragon>Hi, I'm back,
07:32<jm_>ok thanks
07:32<twb>Stupid bot
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07:32<Eragon>Anyone got a suggestion for a disk-partition creator program for Windows XP?
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07:33<twb>Eragon: ask ##windows on freenode
07:33<seeS>ok, now why am i not able to create a symlink on a little USB key?
07:33<twb>Eragon: I'd just boot a live CD and run parted.
07:33<lwithers>seeS: what is the filesystem? FAT32 won't support symlinks, for example
07:33<jm_>Eragon: windows has disk administrator
07:34<Eragon>twb, I wont need Debian for it?
07:34<lwithers>seeS: it doesn't support symlinks
07:34<diggy>Eragon: partition magic
07:35<diggy>Eragon: standart win disk administrator won't allow you to create linux partitions
07:35<seeS>hmm, that makes sense, i untared into a ext3 and then copied and that was ok
07:35<Eragon>Oh, Will "Partition Magic" allow me?
07:35<jm_>Eragon: if you need to resize you can use gparted livecd (or usb ...)
07:36<latenal>Eragon: there is no more Partition Magic :)
07:36<jm_>make backups in any case
07:36<Eragon>yep, there is no more Parition Magic :(
07:36<Eragon>and jm, wont I need linux installed to use gparted?
07:37<diggy>i though that it still live:)
07:37<jm_>Eragon: no, it runs from the CD and allows you to resize filesystems, but in your case it would probably be better to find another old disk and use that for Debian, or perhaps try debian live cd for test first
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07:44<Eragon>Can I possibly install Debian on a disk-on-key?
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07:44<jm_>you can but debian live is a better option for that
07:44<twb>Eragon: a USB mass storage device just looks like a hard disk to a typical machine, so you can install to it like any other hard disk.
07:45<Eragon>Great! That's exactly what I'll do, thank you :)
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07:45<twb>Eragon: as jm_ says, depending on your use case, debian-live is more appropriate.
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07:47<latenal>em.. can i blow up my monitor if i use wrong modeline settings?
07:47<jm_>latenal: not with modern monitors
07:47<Eragon>will it be the same as installing the normal debian on the diskonkey?
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07:47<jm_>Eragon: it should be easier
07:47<Eragon>Oh, ok :)
07:47<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). #debian-live on
07:48<jm_>you can read about it there
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07:55<twb>Hmm, I started diffing the MODULES=most vs. MODULES=dep ramdisks
07:55<twb>The latter has no kernel/drivers/block or char
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07:56<twb>But yeah, the only differences are in kernel/drivers/, so I'm damned if I can understand how /scripts/ got so screwy.
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07:57<twb>Oh, there's also three extra lines in conf/modules: sd, pci:..., and ata_piix.
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07:59<latenal>i give up for now. thank all of you for help
07:59<twb>If anybody's interested, I'll transcript the precise output.
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08:06<twb>Does that transcript make anyone go "aha!" ?
08:07<twb>I suppose I could just bisect over the set of modules that are different...
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08:08<jm_>twb: didn't you say that if you mount /dev/sda1 it work? but looking at that it tries to mount by label -- mounting /dev/disk/by-label/root, does it work if you do that in buysbox?
08:08<twb>jm_: yes, sorry, I was also trying root=/dev/sda1
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08:09<twb>However NOW when I try to manually mount either of those, it tells me that they don't exist
08:10<munga>I want to write a simple bash function that will let run a process for X cpu-seconds and kill it after that, but that will also send a SIGUSR signal 5 seconds before the SIGTERM. The only way I know to kill a process after X cpu-seconds is ulimit. Is there any other realiable way ?
08:11<twb>munga: timeout(1) is elapsed (not CPU) time, fwiw
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08:12<jmm>munga: you could check with a script shell using top.
08:12<jmm>then do the kill and send the SIGUSR when you want.
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08:14<twb>jmm: top as in the gui app? I'd think psutils would be easier.
08:14<twb>Er, procps?
08:15<jmm>top as in console app.
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08:15<twb>jmm: ncurses is still a GUI
08:15<jm_>munga: process accounting probably
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08:16<jmm>twb top can run in non interactive mode.
08:17<twb>jmm: I didn't know that, thanks.
08:17<munga>ps can show the same info I think
08:17<jmm>twb: yw.
08:18<munga>it's a pita timeout(1) does not have an option to account for cpu seconds ...
08:19<twb>jm_: this is interesting
08:19<twb>jm_: lsmod reports that ext3 is in use, but MODULES=dep only includes ext2.ko
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08:19<twb>jm_: /dev/sda1 is ext2, so I dunno why the kernel decided to prefer ext3...
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08:21<jm_>twb: heh I gave up on initrd stuff back when RH used it and Debian didn't ;)
08:21<twb>jm_: eh, I've never had serious problems with ramdisks that I didn't play with.
08:22<user01>if i type program name foo which exits in my current working directory but also in a path in another folder, will it run the path first or current directory?
08:22<jm_>twb: it always annoyed me that i couldn't do cat bzimage > /dev/fd0 with initrd stuff
08:22<jm_>user01: first dir it finds it in
08:22<twb>jm_: wouldn't work today anyway -- the kernel alone is bigger than that
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08:22<twb>Though I guess you roll your own smaller kernel...
08:23<jm_>twb: indeed
08:23<user01>jm_, does it search current working directory firsy or path though?
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08:23<jm_>user01: it doesn't search current dir by default, you need to add it to PATH to do that, then I will say -- see above :)
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08:24<jm_>in reality it can be a bit complicated since some stuff can be cached (think rehash command)
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08:26<twb>Well, enough pissing about. I'm going home.
08:26<user01>jm_, ok, i was thinking like if im currently in /home/user01/stuff and there is an executable foo, and i type foo at the command line . . . and there is also a foo in /usr/bin which is also the first on my PATH list . . . which foo would run
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08:26<jm_>user01: /usr/bin/foo
08:27<user01>jm_, thanks1
08:27<jm_>user01: you can find out using "which foo" or with zsh it's also 'echo =foo'
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08:27<jm_>or type or whereis
08:27<buglessdog>hava anyone heard of GFW?
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08:28<rex1>how come when i ftp to a server, create a file (via nautilus), and open it with gedit, it opens in read only (lenny)
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08:29<root51>hello guys
08:29<root51>i am using nvidia video card
08:29<austin>hey guys, whats that tool thats kinda like grep but returns whatever matches a regex instead of the whole line?
08:29<jm_>austin: grep can do this
08:29<root51>i want to change my display 1024x768 in terminal
08:29<mercutio22>Hi room. I using squeeze here... I am not able to lock my screen. Is this a known bug?
08:29<root51>what i can do
08:29<root51>please help me
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08:29<austin>i guess i gotta read the man more
08:30<jm_>root51: terminal as in console?
08:30<root51>any idea
08:31<jm_>that's not easy to when using nvidia driver
08:31<jm_>it clashes with FB
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08:31<Eragon>Hey, back
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08:31<Eragon>I downloaded live-debian (debian-live-503-i386-gnome-desktop.img)
08:32<Eragon>I tried to open it with 7zip and Nero, and it said "Can't open .... as an archive"
08:32<Eragon>I'm running Windows XP.
08:33<Eragon>Thank you, I'll take a look
08:33<jm_>just put it on your USB disk as described and oyu'll see the files
08:33<mercutio22>ok... I can't lock my screen, against which package should I file a bug? xscreensaver?
08:33<Eragon>Ok it says: "Please note that after this step your USB flash drive will be unreadable by Windows. "
08:34<Eragon>For ever? Or re-formating it will make it readable by windows?
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08:34<jm_>reformating will work sure
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08:34<jm_>mercutio22: perhaps try /msg dpkg ask
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08:35<austin>im using egrep with a regex but it's still returning the entire line, is there any way to make it just return what matches the pattern?
08:35<root51>my default display 800x600, i want to change into 1024x768
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08:36<root51>i can't save it
08:36<root51>what i can do in order to change my display into 1024x768
08:36<jm_>how are you using egrep?
08:36<austin>nevermind, -o should do the trick
08:36<root51>any idea
08:36<jm_>indeed, use -o
08:36<root51>im using karmic
08:36<root51>please help me
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08:37<austin>egrep '[0-9]{1-3}\.[0-9]{1-3}\.[0-9]{1-3}\.[0-9]{1-3}' file -o trying to parse out IPs
08:37<jm_>!tell root51 -about ubuntu
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08:37<jm_>it's egrep -o '....' file
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08:39<Eragon>I followed the How-To (about installing DebianLive on USB),
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08:40<Eragon>It says to use RawWrite
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08:40<Eragon>Problem is RawWrite doesn't seem to detect USB devices
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08:41<root51>how to registered
08:41<zumbi>i am using ssmtp and works fine, but when using reportbug or caff to sendmail it barks (sendmail: Cannot open mailhub:25) I see not configuration for mailhub:25, where does it get the configuration from?
08:44<gsimmons>Eragon: You're right, I'm not sure why RawWrite is mentioned on a page involving USB devices. As also suggested on the page, you can use dd for windows (
08:44<zumbi>uhm.. open("/etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
08:45<Eragon>I saw it, Problem is I'm not sure about the right command, I'm too afraid to ruin something
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08:46<zumbi>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 633 Aug 13 18:36 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
08:46<Myon>zumbi: hmm, I guess that broke recently, same problem here
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08:47<Myon>unfortunately ssmtp has a non-maintainer
08:47<zumbi>Myon: is it O:?
08:47<Myon>it is "Maintainer: anibal", that's worse
08:48<zumbi>hehe, well, i can use it with -rw-r--r-- but this is very unsafe
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08:48<zumbi>maybe my user should be in group mail
08:49<Myon>zumbi: no, that's the wrong solution
08:49<Slydder1> now THAT is a simpsons fan. LOL
08:49<gsimmons>Eragon: dd --list and the examples on the program's page should provide you with enough information. At least try reading from the device before writing to it.
08:49<zumbi>Myon: i had -rw-r----- 1 root mail 802 12 gen 12:03 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
08:49<Myon>that would allow you to read every user's mail in /var/mail
08:49<Myon>I guess /usr/sbin/ssmtp should be g+s and gid mail
08:50<Eragon>Just to make sure: Assuming G is the removable drive (3.7GB free space), and d:\debianlive.img is the image,
08:50<Eragon>Is the following command correct? dd if=d:\debianlive.img of=\\.\g: bs=1m
08:51<klando>Hi I am about to buy an acer and it have a nvidia : GeForce GT220 . Someone know if it is well supported ?
08:52<klando>it make years I have only intel graphic card ... does the nvidia opensource better than before ?
08:53<Myon>zumbi: #557948 - the maintainer is a blockhead
08:53<zumbi>Myon: yes, i just saw it
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08:56<Eragon>gsimmons, I've changed it a bit. Will it work?: dd if=d:\debianlive.img of=\\.\g: bs=1440k --progress --filter=removable
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08:57<jm_>klando: nvidia open source driver is not that good, but binary only driver shall be OK
08:57<jm_>klando: or nouveau but you'll need very fresh bits for that
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08:58<klando>yes, nouveau as improved ? I did some early test in the past...
08:59<jm_>it worked ok for me with fedora 12 live cd, whatever that means
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09:00<klando>:-) Kay
09:00<zumbi>Myon: it works, i sent a follow-up to the bugreport with your solution. Thanks.
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09:08<Eragon>Never mind, I found the right command, Thank you all :)
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09:35<hever>How can I remove the leading home dir part from the following file search result with 'file' "/home/hever/tmp/xbase/usr/X11R6/bin/freetype-config" ?
09:35<hever>I'm going to strip /home/hever/tmp/xbase
09:35<petemc>oh, no
09:36<petemc>basename will leave just the file name
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09:37<hever>I thougt I could use awk, but don't know how
09:38<fossiiil>why awk? use C
09:39<fossiiil>awk is abbreviation of awkward C
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09:39<petemc>echo "/home/hever/tmp/xbase/usr/X11R6/bin/freetype-config" | sed 's#/home/hever/tmp/xbase##'
09:39<hever>ah sed ;)
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09:45<Lantizia>Hey... am I right in saying the "mysql_secure_installation" command serves no practical purpose when the Debian packages MySQL has all those security concerns addressed anyway
09:45<Lantizia>Lik no anonymous user, no test database (or access to it), no external root access, when installing it asks for the root password so it's not like it'll be unset
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09:48<hever>petemc, works great, do you know how I can replace the path with pwd ?
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10:00<ml|>I get this warning at boot time 'Unable to verify audit subsystem... ...(warning). ' If reboot right after the warning goes away; also notice if I try select another kernel to boot but select the same one I get that warning from, I don't get the warning; I don't remember when this started happening, any ideas on the cause?
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10:07<lwithers>since OPTIONS+="last_rule" was removed in udev v147, anyone know what I'm supposed to use instead to stop further rules applying to a device?
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10:09<simplechat>i'm having around with a corsair nas, i'm trying to shove debian on it. My problem is that it seems to wipe out everything every reboot
10:09<simplechat>anywhere i should be looking to get it to stop?
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10:12<bryson>anybody else stumble in here on accident and then find that it's actually where you would have chose to go anyway?
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10:14<bryson>chatty lot today, eh?
10:14*simplechat is getting rather miffed at this embedded system
10:15<bryson>what's the trouble?
10:15<simplechat>it reflashes itself every boot
10:16<simplechat>and i don't mind that, i just want it to run a script after the flash
10:16<simplechat>so it can run debian :)
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10:16<simplechat>its got a very fail corperate made embedded linux for arm
10:16<bryson>well, that's a good workaround at least
10:17<bryson>you come up with that one on your own? i'm a fairly shallow user, unfortunately..
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10:17<simplechat>it was surprisingly painful
10:17<simplechat>its a patriot nas
10:17<simplechat>so i set up a new folder in its raid array (because its a nas, and i could somehow get telnet onto it....)
10:17<simplechat>debootstrapped a new arm based debian image onto that
10:18<simplechat>and then hacked up a boot script around /etc/rc after a lot of hacking around ;)
10:18<bryson>that'll certainly do the trick.. until reboot anyway
10:18<simplechat>so now pretty much i go chroot /mnt/raid0/debian/ /etc/
10:18<simplechat>and it boots
10:18<simplechat>quite nicely oddly enough
10:18<simplechat>however on reboot its borken
10:19<simplechat>so i'm trying to get it to run that on reboot
10:19<simplechat>and its fine, except it wipes itself before it runs rc.d
10:19<bryson>don't suppose it'll let you install a boot loader?
10:20<bryson>lilo or the like
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10:20<bryson>(i don't know if that would work anyway)
10:20<simplechat>i'd prefer not
10:20<simplechat>given that i can't find a serial console
10:20<simplechat>and its running off embedded flash
10:20<simplechat>so if i screw the loader i'm completely screwed
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10:21<bryson>hmm.. valid point
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10:22<simplechat>so i'm trying to play things a little safe
10:22<simplechat>at least until i can find the serial headers
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10:25<kokeroulis>i am a new user of debian and i need some help
10:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:26<bryson>wow.. dpkg for the win
10:27<kokeroulis>i have install the kde for de...The point is that i have install the kde 4.3.4 but in the synaptic in the installed version it says 5:54 and it can be upgrade to 5:55....
10:27<bryson>@simplechat: have you been able to find a pinout of the board yet? should have the serials on it
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10:27<kokeroulis>but there is not version of kde with name 5:54 and 5:55
10:27<kokeroulis>what does those mean?
10:27<simplechat>bryson, not sure how to find it
10:28<simplechat>atm i'm just trying to trace the boot order
10:28<simplechat>it seems i have no inittab
10:28<simplechat>which is odd
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10:28<simplechat>my cmdline is root=/dev/ram0 rw console=ttySL0,19200 initrd=0x00800000,16M ramdisk_size=16384
10:28<kokeroulis>can someone help me?
10:28<simplechat>kokeroulis, more information?
10:28<themill>kokeroulis: those are just debian version numbers for the kde metapackages. They have nothing to do with the version of kde you have.
10:28<themill>!kde version
10:28<dpkg>methinks kde version is look at for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs and kdelibs5 for an approximate version.
10:28<cfrabel_>Hi all
10:29<cfrabel_>impossible to install squeeze on a laptop compaq presario 2100
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10:29<cfrabel_>The system freezes as soon as it boots fropm CD
10:29<cfrabel_>or DVD
10:30<kokeroulis> how can i see what packages will be installed if i install a metapackage....
10:30<cfrabel_>Impossible to act on F# keys
10:30<bryson>md5 check out?
10:30<bryson>burned it at slowest settings?
10:31<cfrabel_>I tested 3 burnings
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10:31<themill>kokeroulis: "apt-cache show packagename". Those listed under "Depends" and "Recommends" will be installed by default. synaptic will show you that also I presume. You might want to /msg dpkg install kde
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10:32<bryson>is that machine capable of booting from a usb?
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10:33<rooisto47>hello there
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10:34<themill>kokeroulis: please keep it in the channel so that when I disappear for a while, others will be able to help you.
10:35<bryson>@cfrabel_ usb boot? also, have you tried using an external dvd-rom?
10:35<bryson>it's always possible the internal drive is shot
10:35<kokeroulis>how can i see the content of a metapackage?
10:35<themill>kokeroulis: there is no content to a metapackage at all, that's what is meant by a metapackage. (It only has a changelog and a copyright statement plus a list of dependencies)
10:35<simplechat>ok, this is wierd
10:35<kokeroulis>and if a version of a kde package is 4:4.2.2...what does that mean?
10:36<simplechat>i have no inittab
10:36<simplechat>but i have init
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10:36<kokeroulis>it is something like a symbolic link?right?
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10:36<themill>!version epoch
10:36<dpkg>The version number of a packge have a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1<6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>
10:36<themill>kokeroulis: ^^ 4:4.2.2 means version 4.2.2 in the 4th (or 5th!) version number scheme that debian packages have used
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10:37<kokeroulis>themill: thank you very much
10:38<kokeroulis>and how can i see which packages will be installed by a metapackage?
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10:40<themill>kokeroulis: apt-cache show packagename
10:41<bryson>themill ftw today
10:43<kokeroulis>ok thanks
10:43<rooisto47>can you tell me how can I make a locale repo (one locale folder with a mirror hierarchy ) from the 30 first cds I have
10:44<rooisto47>maybe loop mount them, copy them to the fs, and merge their trees; but I don't know how can I merge their trees !
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10:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:09<popo>hi all
11:10<popo>i've tu check my file sistem manually, but when i try to start in single user mode, the file system is mounted, and i can not umount this. lsof say me that i've so much process live. then, the point of question is, how i can umount my root? thanks
11:10<ml|>I get this warning at boot time 'Unable to verify audit subsystem... ...(warning). ' If reboot right after the warning goes away; also notice if I try select another kernel to boot but select the same one I get that warning from, I don't get the warning; I don't remember when this started happening, any ideas on the cause and anyone notice the same?
11:10<popo>ml|: have you manually recompiled the kernel?
11:11<ml|>no, it's a debian kernel
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11:12<popo>ah :| boh! i do not know. i was this problem when i compiled manualluy the kernel, buyt by enabling audit support in kernel it was ok
11:12<popo>and now it's ok :)
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11:13<ml|>it does not happen all the time, have had no succes trying to figure out why it's happening
11:14<bja>ml|: any difference when you shutdown the computer?
11:14<popo>by write on single user mode init 1
11:15<bja>have you check the hd?
11:15<popo>i umounted the fs
11:15<popo>bja: yep :)
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11:16<popo>it was easy! why i had not think this before!?!?
11:16<popo>then, guys i've to go thanks!
11:17<ml|>bja: don't remember if it happens only on reboot; usually just reboot hardly do I shutdown
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11:18<ml|>it's weird, just trying to figure it out
11:18<bja>ml|: better make a backup of your data, then take a look at the hd
11:19<ml|>bja: doubt that's the cause they are checked every night and it happens on my other machine exactly the same thing
11:19<bja>same kernel?
11:20<bja>if you boot with a different kernel the problem persists?
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11:21<ml|>well, like I said if I move to select another kernel, but select the same kernel it does not happen
11:22<bja>any grub updates recently?
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11:24<ml|>yes, but this has being happening for a few weeks; did not know what package could cause this, but now that you bring grub up I will check bts
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11:30<kop>ml|: grub2?
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11:30<ml|>kop: yes
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11:33<ben_baka>how do i mount ntfs partions with rw without using mount -t ntfs-3g
11:34<giuseppe>lista file musica grazie
11:34<locklace>!tell giuseppe about list
11:34<kop>ml|: Just curious. The installer warns about using it....
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11:36<giuseppe>abaut list music
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11:37<sney`>giuseppe: non c'è lista, vattene via
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11:38<giuseppe>grazie sney
11:38<ml|>kop: I have being using grub2 shortly after it hit testing had not had any major issues, just minor config stuff and not even sure it's a grub2 issue anyways
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11:41<ml|>I'll keep looking for the cause and I may file a bug report against grub-pc and see what dev has to say
11:42<giuseppe>vai a y
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11:45<simplechat>this is really wierd
11:45<simplechat>the bloody nas is using cobolt linux
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11:46<sney`>nas makers love embedding linux, it works very well for it
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11:46<simplechat>but why didn't they choose linux without suck?
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11:47<hakanbey>hi i can't start avant window navigator. it seems in the Accessories but when i click it , nothing happen. please help me
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11:47<kop>simplechat: Marketing victims.
11:47<simplechat>i guess
11:48<simplechat>now to try and work out wtf its doing internally
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11:48<kop>hakanbey: Start it at the gui and check the error messages.
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11:49<kop>hakanbey: Oops. I mean command line, not gui.
11:49<hakanbey>i started it from applications->accessories (isn't it gui?) but any error message is shown
11:50<hakanbey>command line
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11:50<hakanbey>ok. would you mind if i asked the code
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11:58<simplechat>how would i find out things about hard disk devices?
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11:58<simplechat>ie. say i have like hdd1/hdd2/etc. how do i tell how large they are, their filesystem, etc.
11:59<petemc>fdisk -l , df
11:59<bja>df -h
11:59<simplechat>df -h is only showing two filesystems
11:59<petemc>fdisk -l
11:59<simplechat>and there are a lot of other devices that don't seem to exist
11:59<petemc>df only shows mounted filesystems
12:00<simplechat>this is really stupidly weird
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12:01<simplechat>in short this is a nas with two disks
12:01<simplechat>i can see both disks, and partitions on those disks
12:01<simplechat>which is where /system ismounted (which seems to be /?)
12:01<simplechat>however where did the file system come from?
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12:02<simplechat>because i didn't do any setup, just slid in the drives and it configured itself
12:02<simplechat>mount is showing a usbfs file system
12:02<simplechat>and /dev/ram0 is a ramdisk?
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12:05<darkmaster977>hi, is anyone here???
12:06<darkmaster977>i have a problem with my microphone on ubuntu
12:06<darkmaster977>is very quiet
12:06<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:06<simplechat>try #ubuntu on
12:06<simplechat>lots of friendly people there
12:06<darkmaster977>ok thx sry
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12:09<simplechat>damnit :(
12:09<simplechat>linux does odd things
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12:10<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:18<simplechat>hey, is there any way to work out where a ramdisk came from?
12:18<simplechat>i have a very odd thing
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12:18<simplechat>its saying that the kernel commandline is set to root=/dev/ram0
12:18<simplechat>ie. a ramdisk?
12:18<BobHartge>simplechat: I had some drives give me trouble if left on cable select.. if I set the jumpers to hard set them the problem wen away.
12:20<simplechat>its like /system is mounted on raid
12:20<simplechat>yet it appears to be getting wiped
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12:22<simplechat>i don't get why though
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12:24<BobHartge>some of my ide drives would move after boot.. it would swap the drives on the cable until I jumpered them as master and slave.. if that happens your file systems start on the wrong drive.
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12:27<BobHartge>its been a while back.. might have been a buggy bios or something in the old version of linux I had installed but setting the junpers made the problem go away.
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12:29<simplechat>BobHartge, this is a nas
12:29<simplechat>so its rewiping itself as far as i can tell
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12:29<simplechat>which is probably intentional, to make sure that its always in a good state
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12:30<simplechat>my problem is how to get it to trace through properly
12:30<simplechat>is there any way to grab grub configs without a /boot?
12:30<legrand>hello. I'm trying to install qa cert for TLS. does work for exim4, dovecot and apache2. problem: exim4 wants to be the owner of the cert files. is there a way to have exim4 use the same certs or do I really need to copy them and change their permission just for exim4?
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12:32<mazur> to restore kde4 panel.
12:32<bja>legrand: a simlink i believe can do the trick
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12:34<BobHartge>might changing from grub to lilo do that?
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12:36<simplechat>BobHartge, ?
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12:40<BobHartge>the lilo boot loader keeps more of its info in the boot sector. thats why you have to update it after you make a change for it to take affect.
12:40<simplechat>how would i check lilo info?
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12:43<Rovanion>Didn't get any disconnect info...
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12:44<Rovanion>Anyways, does anyone know how to tackle this issue?
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12:45<BobHartge>the lilo web site may have some info.. I think you can install both and set a default but I may be wrong about this as its been a while since I played with it.
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12:56<pawel>I have Sagem USB WiFi dongle and Debian Lenny. When I try to `ifconfig wlan0 up`, I get 'Cannot find firmware file zd1211'. How to install that firmware?
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13:00<allu2>pawel: with google
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13:02<legrand>bja: well, symlink keeps the grights. exim4 requires the certificate to be in its group, so a symlink won't help
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13:09<mrblonde>Do anyone knows what happens with the fglrx packages in the testing repository??
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13:12<pawel>locklace, allu2: thanks
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13:13<mrblonde>thanks but do you know why the package was removed from testing but not from stable and unstable?
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13:14<ansgar>mrblonde: stable does not have a newer version of xorg, so it is not broken there. Packages in unstable may be broken so it can stay there.
13:15<mrblonde>hmm so i can only hope that it will be merged soon.... ok thanks for the news ;)
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13:17<arf`_>does one know a replacement for ipmasq, please ?
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13:21<Rovanion> I'm having trouble with my wireless internet, once I plug in my wireless pcm-cia card dmesg is spammed with messages around it. I have gotten help before getting the proper firmware installed. Tough connecting to a wireless network stops at 28% in k-network-manager, then fails
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13:23<allu2>Rovanion: pastebin dmesg?
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13:27<Rovanion>allu2, Will do
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13:31<Rovanion>Here is my dmesg after trying to connect to an unencrypted network:
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13:44<allu2>Rovanion: so you use acx100/111 driver?
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13:46<allu2>Rovanion: and and helped me get my wlan up and running ok
13:46<Rovanion>allu2, Yes acx100
13:47<allu2>and i got "00:0a.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface"
13:47<allu2>i hope thous help you :)
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13:48<Rovanion>Thanks for showing interest, will read trough the pages
13:48<allu2>Rovanion: :)
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13:59<allu2>how ironic...
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14:00<allu2>i booted my other computer to do backups just in case if hd will break up and when i booted it i noticed "oh hd has broke"...
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14:02<retrospectacus>ps fax|grep qmail-smtpd|wc -l is over 2500 (it is usually around 500) - how might I see what IP(s) are making all those connections?
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14:04<petemc>netstat ?
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14:45<peej>what should I use for vpn? I want to be able to login to my home machine from the big bad internet on my laptop and have my laptop be treated like part of the lan. What's the usual way in lenny?
14:46<meglaw_>why is my usb disk so slow, only 4-500kb/s
14:46<dr|z3d>openvpn, perhaps, or hamachi + ghamachi, whatever suits,
14:47<dr|z3d>peej: ^
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14:50<peej>thanks for the tip. apt-file search on hamachi comes up with images, but no package per se. I'll do the research.
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14:56<Praxis>I just installed Squeeze a few days ago, I'm doing my first "apt-get upgrade"; is "dist-upgrade" preferred for testing? Anyway, I'm getting a "apt-listchanges" screen telling me about netatalk. How do I dismiss it and continue the upgrade?
14:56<Praxis>I tried Esc, Enter, Ctrl+C just stops the upgrade.
14:56<BlackFate>Praxis, yes dist-upgrade is recommended
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14:57<BlackFate>new things come in all the time
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14:57<Praxis>Thanks BlackFate, I'll DU in the future.
14:59<jhr>Praxis: in case you're still looking for an answer... q is probably what makes your apt-listchanges screen go away (since it's probably running less as the pager)
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15:00<Praxis>Thanks jhr, I started another root tab and did a "kill-all sensible-pager", which seemed to work, I'll try "Q" in the future.
15:00<jhr>sounds better than killing at least :)
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15:02<Praxis>Maybe I'll file a bug report suggesting that the 'q' command be part of the apt-listchanges screen for those of us who are CLI challenged.
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15:04<ml|>Praxis: just set the EDITOR to an editor you know/use
15:05<Praxis>That's a good idea, <ml|>, would I do that with dpkg-reconfigure?
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15:06<ml|>or use the debian alternative system to set the default editor
15:06<Praxis>Oh, right , update-alternatives --config editor
15:07<eix_>echo "export EDITOR=joe" >>.profile
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15:07<ml|>right or in .*rc or .*profile export EDITOR=/path/to/editor
15:08<Praxis>Thanks, hopefully it is now set to vim
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15:08<ml|>if you use a .*rc or *.profile make sure to set it for root and user
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15:09<Praxis>Thanks for the suggestion.
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15:09<ml|>no problem
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15:19<jhr>just for the sake of it... apt-listchanges calls a pager, not an editor
15:20<fossiiil>yeah, true
15:20<ml|>ah, yeah was just thinking that
15:21<ml|>since I use vimpager :)
15:21<fossiiil>dude, debian has cool logo
15:21<fossiiil>is there unicode char for Debian logo?
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15:22<ml|>Praxis: sorry you need to set PAGER not editor; got them confused because I use vimpager a my pager
15:23<ml|>Praxis: if you are a vim user...
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15:36<Teow>whenever non-root logs into SSH they get 'The system is going down on Thu Jan 28 21:15:37 2010'... this date is in the past though
15:36<Teow>how to get rid of it?
15:36<Teow>shutdown -c returns 'shutdown: cannot find pid of running shutdown.'
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15:38<raversfantasy>Hello all, i have a question
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15:38<raversfantasy>Its a bit non-sense i know, but ill ask for it :)
15:38<fossiiil>Teow: how to get rid of that? home /sbin/shutdown helps ;-)
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15:39<Teow>excuse me fossiiil?
15:39<raversfantasy>Is it possible that items that were dropped onto the desktop nr.1 wont show up on one of the others ?
15:39<raversfantasy>or isnt this possible to do :(
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15:44<Teow>fossiiil: i don't want to shutdown my server, i want it to cancel this planned shutdown in the past
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15:45<Teow>already fixed it by removing /etc/nologin.
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15:46<Argo>coño decid algo
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15:48<themill>ml|: btw your vimpager factoid is too long and needs editing down so that it fits into one line. Removing the stuff about cygwin etc should be enough.
15:48<ml|>themill: ok, thanks
15:49<themill>ml|: np. Writing good factoids is harder than it looks :)
15:50<raversfantasy>nobody knows if its possible =) ?
15:50<ml|>themill: how about now?
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15:51<themill>!beer ml|
15:51*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for ml|
15:51<ml|>thank you :)
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15:54<ben_baka>for(int i,x,y = 1; i < 5; ++i) loop does not work with gcc compiler? why?
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15:59<stroyan>ben_baka: declaring the variables inside a for loop is only allowed for c++ or c99. When I compile that with gcc 4,1 the error message explains that you need "-std=c99 or -std=gnu99"
16:00<retrospectacus>ben_baka: i was not initialized
16:01<retrospectacus>for (int i=1,x=1,y=1; etc
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16:01<retrospectacus>iirc which I may not
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16:04<ben_baka>i reading apress beginning C .guess the book is not always correct
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16:05<andres>SOYS INGLESES?¿
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16:08<retrospectacus>ben_baka: I think you can do: for (int i=x=y=1; etc
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16:10<marcot>Hi, I'm trying to configure my keyboard following . I've done the whole procedure, but my new layout is not being shown in gnome-keyboard-properties.
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16:11<marcot>I strace'd the process, and it showed me it's reading /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml but not /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml .
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16:14<latenal>hello, i have installed gnome sound package but i still can't here the sounds.
16:14<ml|>latenal: what sounds, system sounds?
16:15<ben_baka>latenal: try the command alsamixer and use the arrow keys to raise the volume. might work.
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16:15<ml|>latenal: and other app sounds worh fine?
16:16<ben_baka>I guess apress beginning c is not a good place to look for a descent tutorial.
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16:16<retrospectacus>!alsa checklist
16:16<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
16:16<fossiiil>add yrself to audio group
16:17<ml|>that should be dome by default
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16:17<retrospectacus>don't forget #5 :P
16:18<fossiiil>ml|: yes...for desktop user
16:19<latenal>ml|: didn't work out
16:19<ml|>latenal: huh?
16:20<latenal>ml|: i tried alsamixer, checked for audio group and still no system sound
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16:21<ml|>but when playing music works fine?
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16:24<diggy>how could better to make an iso image of disk and mount it? dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso should be enough?
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16:24<ml|>that should be fine
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16:26<ml|>latenal: are other sounds playing at the same time, like music?
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16:26<bja>!nuke ml|
16:26*dpkg fires a 50 ton thermonuclear weapon at ml|
16:27<craigevil>latenal: using pulse audio? and did you already activate system sounds ? System=>Preferences=>Sound Preferences
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16:28<ml|>yes you need to do what craigevil said and if still no sound; either setup dmix if it's not or use esd
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16:28<latenal>ml|: it can play different sounds at the same time like movie and mp3. but still there is no system sounds
16:29<craigevil>if you are using pulse, aptitude install pulseaudio-esound-compat
16:29<ml|>great then do what craigevil said, should work after that
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16:30<latenal>i don't really know what use
16:30<latenal>i installed debian with the default settings
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16:32<ml|>pulseaudio is not installed by default; thankfully
16:33<pyriku>hi, I made a debian package, and using lintian to see if it works fine, lintian says: "debian-changelog-file-missing" but I have changelog file. Any help?
16:34<latenal>why "thankfully"?
16:35<latenal>yyyeeeehhaaaa! it works! thanks for "pulse"!!!!
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16:35<ml|>does not work very well for all users
16:35<ikkerus>does anyone have a idea why my NSLU2 Slug stucks in upgrade mode after flasging it with upslug2 ?
16:36<ml|>latenal: what did you do?
16:36<latenal>ml|: just ran "aptitude install pulseaudio-esound-compat"
16:36<ikkerus>I have formatted and extracted the image on a usb stick...
16:37<ml|>!congratulate latenal
16:37<dpkg>Good show latenal, you did it!
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16:38<jeromeg>does anyone know how I could configure touchpad tapping using udev for the new xserver in testing ?
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16:43<jerryclunsford>The hardware channel is down is there another channel I can use to get hardware information?
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16:44<petemc>jerryclunsford: try freenode
16:44<jerryclunsford>thank you
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16:44<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:59<elena>hablas español??
16:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:06<jerryclunsford>I am running a Lenny amd 64 machine. I have almost no experience using a terminal window.( I can navigate the file structure and chmod files.) I have two users set up recently my primary user name lost one of its screen resolution options and one of it's refresh rate options . My secondary user name still has all three resolution options and all three refresh rate options. where I do need look to fix this?
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17:11<viga>ciao a tutti
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17:12<luther61>ciao a tutti
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17:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:13<viga>ok grazie thenks
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17:25<viga>(EE) RADEONHD(0): RandR: No valid modes. Disabled.
17:25<viga>(EE) RADEONHD(0): Failed to detect a connected monitor
17:25<viga>(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
17:25<viga>fatal server error:
17:25<viga>no screens found
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17:28<teliparas>is there any to tool to monitor connected client's IPs, Mac Adress, Essid, Bssid ???
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17:37<bja>Since judd is not around, how can i find the versions of gnome under the different distros
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17:39<bja>rudi_s: thx
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17:42<opticon>can someone help me with samba for debian
17:42<opticon>im at complete loss
17:42<oggi>Godd evening everybody! I need a little help. I installed debian yesterday on my laptop with kde. But the screen resolution is low. How can i change that? "Right click on desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Display" doesn't give me options for screen resolution.
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17:43<retrospectacus>opticon: probably, describe your problem.
17:44<retrospectacus>oggi: you probably need to install and use the proper display drivers
17:44<oggi>ok, it's nvidia chip, how can i install them
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17:45<retrospectacus>ask dpkg about nvidia: /msg dpkg nvidia
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17:45<ml|>bja: give apt-show-versions -a a try
17:46<opticon>not sure where to begin have swat working for samba but none of the shares are accessible from other pc's on network
17:46<retrospectacus>what is swat
17:46<oggi>bja: it says 'command not foung' (for apt-show-versions -a)
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17:48<retrospectacus>oggi: ml| was talking to bja...
17:48<oggi>oh! sorry
17:48<bja>ml|: thx
17:48<bja>oggi: np
17:49<oggi>can i just go to nvidia seit and download the driver
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17:49<opticon>ive tried configuring samba with gadmin but the result is still the same if i setup swat and try to run gadmin then it cant detect the samba.conf config so it wants to overwite it
17:50<ml|>bja: you can also use surfraw; sr debpackages package ; /msg dpkg surfraw
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17:50<opticon>swat is the web based configuration tool that comes with samba
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18:06<jerryclunsford>Any one know where I get drivers for an ATI Rage XL ?
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18:06<jerryclunsford>Debian Lenny amd 64 system.
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18:11<dalvarez>Hello everyone.
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18:12<TCW>jerryclunsford, Ati Rage? A gfx chip from the last century?
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18:16<dalvarez>Anyone familiar with php and locales? I am having problems with escapeshellargs() dropping German umlauts, through the system locales are set to UTF-8.
18:16<dalvarez>Any ideas are much appreciated...
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18:18<oggi>my problem with installing graphic drivers is LAN that doesn't work. Yesterday I installed debian kde from a usb disk on a laptop. It was withoud kde-desktop so I installed it with aptitude install kde-desktop. After that i typed 'kdm' and kde sucesffully started. A few moments later i had a working network connection without doing anythin. But today, the LAN is not working (the cable and all behind it are ok, because other computer con
18:18<oggi>nects throug it without problems). I haven't used this laptop since yesterday, and I don't know what changed. Also, yesterday I started kde-desktop with #kdm from root's terminal, but today it does nothing when i type the same komand, but it starts kde when i type #startx. Is that normal?
18:20<bja>oggi: why don't you concentrate on fixing the lan first, it seems most of your problems would be solved that way
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18:21<oggi>ok i know, but i thought there's some simple way to change resolution - do you have any suggestio what should i do with the LAN - i'm completely new to debian
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18:25<jerryclunsford>Yes its on board video in my server
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18:26<jerryclunsford>I thought it might correct a problem I am having to re-install the driver but I have been informed it probably won't
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18:28<jerryclunsford>TCW: I lost the highest resolution and refresh rate on my primary user name, My secondary user name still has all three resolutions and refresh rates. Any Ideas?
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18:31<TCW>jerryclunsford, gnome?
18:31<jerryclunsford>dalvarez: try #php
18:32<jerryclunsford>Yes sir
18:32<dalvarez>thx, jerryc.
18:32<ml|>jerryclunsford: maybe you can copy the config file from new user to old, if you knew which one is the one you need
18:33<jerryclunsford>TCW: Debian lenny amd 64 Gnome desktop
18:33<TCW>jerryclunsford, wird... ask on what config vallue may be broken there
18:33<TCW>weird even
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18:33<jerryclunsford>If I knew where the config file was.
18:34<dalvarez>jerryc: But actually it's debian-specific. I found the exact circumstances of my problem are listed as PHP bug #44564 "escapeshellarg removes UTF-8 multi-byte characters", but that one has been fixed back in 2008. Maybe the debian package is lacking behind
18:34<jerryclunsford>Thank You TCW
18:34<dalvarez>jerryc: But I'll try #php anyway
18:34<jerryclunsford>Sorry I don't know much php
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18:43<oggi>does anybody knows any "network test - command" that can give me any information why my debian laptop can connect on a working LAN?
18:43<oggi>>can't connect<
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18:47<jerryclunsford>Oggi: can you ping another computer on the net?
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18:48<oggi>jerryclunsford: I think not
18:49<jerryclunsford>have you tried?
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18:49<oggi>according to Connection Status there are no received bytes, only sent ones and errors
18:50<jerryclunsford>ok you can't ping out
18:51<oggi>how can i get ip address from this computer i'm typing on, i could try to ping him from laptop
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18:51<jerryclunsford>can you pin it from another computer?
18:52<jerryclunsford>what os
18:52<oggi>i have this desktop that works fine on LAN, and laptop that doesn't, they are both on the same ruter, Debian is on both
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18:54<jerryclunsford>oggi: do you have a network icon on the taskbar by the volume control?
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18:55<jerryclunsford>What do you get when you go there
18:56<jerryclunsford>oggi: Ok I've got gnome so I don't have what you do
18:56<oggi>left click gets me menu: Wired Devices, Connect to Wireless... Options,...
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18:56<jerryclunsford>try wired devices
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18:58<oggi>I have, it starts to configure network, doing that some time and than stops
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18:59<jerryclunsford>Oggi: you might try going in and setting up static IP addresses.
19:00<oggi>ok, how can i do that? In debian I can change almost nothing through GUI...
19:00<oggi>I'm new to debian... :(
19:00<jerryclunsford>so am I
19:01<jerryclunsford>you have to edit the network interfaces file
19:01<oggi>where can i find it?
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19:01<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>.
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19:03<jerryclunsford>oggi: the dpkg interface here will give you information as kenyon just showed
19:03<jerryclunsford>type /msg dpkg interfaces
19:05<oggi>'/msg: No such file or directory'
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19:05<jerryclunsford>oggi: you'll need to edit the file with root priviladges so you can save the modified file.
19:05<mercutio22>I'd like to have desktop sounds doodes. Is that issue fixable? Any clues?
19:06<oggi>ok, i'm ready, what should i modify?
19:06<jerryclunsford>look in did you find interfaces file
19:06<oggi>i found the file
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19:07<jerryclunsford>you need to open it with root privileges so you can edit and save the modified file
19:08<oggi>that laptop has the same ip address as this computer i'm typing from, Maybe because i connected the same cable on it yesterday. Is that ok?
19:08<jerryclunsford>no you have to have different ip addresses
19:08<austin>unless theres a NAT
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19:09<oggi>ok, i'll change the last number of the address, I don't know what NAT is. I belive this network of my is DCHP
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19:10<jerryclunsford>dhcp should have assigned different IP addresses
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19:10<oggi>ok, i'll try and came back in a minute
19:11<jerryclunsford>why not change the laptop
19:11<oggi>how do you mean?
19:12<jerryclunsford>since you are using the other to connect with change the ip address in the laptop
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19:12<jerryclunsford>Leave the one you are connecting with alone
19:13<oggi>that's what i have done, i'm taking it to the other corner of the room since the lan cable is there
19:13<oggi>... takin laptop there...
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19:16<oggi>still nothing, should i maybe do some 'update' after i had changed interfaces-file
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19:17<jerryclunsford>did you stop and restart the network on the laptop?
19:18<jerryclunsford>you have to stop and restart the network on the laptop to get the changes to take effect
19:18<oggi>i belive no, that's this "ifup -a" and "ifdown -a", right?
19:18<jerryclunsford>I'm not sure
19:19<jerryclunsford>dpkg has that just a minute
19:19<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, jerryclunsford
19:19<jerryclunsford>yes that looks right
19:19<angel>alguien conoce una forma de hackear un ssh?
19:20<kenyon>!tell angel about es
19:22<jmux>mercutio22: what's your problem? No sound?
19:22<abrotman>i don't htink he really wants help
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19:23<mercutio22>jmux: no login/logout sounds. No button sounds, etc. My audio card is working properly, its just the desktop sounds I don't get
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19:28<jmux>mercutio22: KDE or GNOME? I'm on KDE and I don't have GNOME available
19:28<mercutio22>jmux: gnome... =} Its ok. It is a known bug
19:29<mercutio22>I just wanna work around it
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19:29<abrotman>mercutio22: did you install libesd-alsa0 ?
19:30<jerryclunsford>oggi; any luck?
19:30<mercutio22>abrotman: no. Should I? It doesn't seem to be listed in synaptic
19:31<abrotman>sid ?
19:32<mercutio22>abrotman: squeeze
19:32<abrotman>that used to be the magic package
19:32<oggi>still waiting, I have problems now to login - it hangs
19:32<jerryclunsford>did you just install on the laptop?
19:33<oggi>yes, but i had to logout because it stucked, and now it won't start x
19:34<oggi>i'll reboot it now
19:34<jerryclunsford>I mean did you just install the os on the laptop recently
19:34<oggi>last night
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19:35<jerryclunsford>which version?
19:35<oggi>and the network worked, but not during the installation but after it, Debian 5.02 amd64 on hp laptop
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19:36<jerryclunsford>lenny amd 64
19:36<oggi>jerry: yes
19:36<jerryclunsford>then you didn't do a internet install?
19:37<oggi>no, because it couldn't connect during installation
19:38<jerryclunsford>couldn't connect because of the router?
19:38<oggi>I have modem/ruter with 4 lan ports, there are computers with xp and linux on that lines, and they all connect without problems and without any configurations
19:39<oggi>only this laptop kills me, and it is the most important for me
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19:39<oggi>but last night it connected without any 'additional' work, and now it don't want
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19:40<jerryclunsford>what did you change between when it would connect and it won't?
19:41<jerryclunsford>change cables, ports, anything?
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19:41<oggi>nothing, i turned it off last night, and turned it on tonight
19:41<oggi>I used the cable on the other computer meanwhile
19:43<oggi>it works now after reboot! :) Can i do anything to make him to obtain those addresses automaticaly, and not to change the interfaces file every time?
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19:44<jerryclunsford>If the interfaces file is changed it will use those settings all of the time.
19:44<oggi>will ruter complain because of that or it is all the same to it?
19:45<jerryclunsford>Mine doesn't seem to care
19:46<jerryclunsford>but our routers are not the same. It shouldn't matter the router will just use the static route instead of assigning it one.
19:46<oggi>Is that IP address in interfaces-file bound to this ruter, I mean - would this laptop be able to connect on some other lan with this settings?
19:46<jerryclunsford>that should be static ip
19:47<jerryclunsford>what ip address did you use
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19:48<jerryclunsford>you will need an IP address outside the range of the computers on the network
19:48<oggi>apparently, all four lines have the first three group of numbers of ip address same, and they differ only in last number
19:48<jerryclunsford>that's right
19:48<oggi>this one has .13 and on the laptop i used .14
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19:49<jerryclunsford>for a normal network only the last number is changed
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19:49<jerryclunsford>do you know the ip address of the networks you will be connecting to?
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19:50<oggi>no, but I belive all would be with dynamic IPs
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19:51<oggi>and I belive this ruter does the same, but i don't understand why i have to change IP manualy
19:51<jerryclunsford>you might want to set it higher because if there are 14 computers on the net work you won't be able to connect
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19:52<ml|>mercutio22: do you have pulseaudio installed?
19:53<oggi>no, there are max four of them, and that leads to a question why they begin with .10 and not with .0 or .1
19:53<mercutio22>ml|: no. I tryed before... But I failed to achieve simultaneous playback from different apps.
19:53<jerryclunsford>My modem starts with 1,2,3
19:54<oggi>I'll kill my modem
19:54<oggi>with a hammer
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19:54<jerryclunsford> That is the way I set manual IP's too there is no reason I can think of to go in 10's
19:54<mercutio22>ml|: but it seems the login/logout sounds are missing because of debian policy concerning copyrighted material according to bug number 532669
19:54<thayer>can use to download music? like itunes or limewire
19:55<jerryclunsford>I suppose your ip address is
19:55<thayer>is there a program I can use to download music? like itunes or limewire
19:55<mercutio22>thayer: I suggest nicotine for mp3 sharing.
19:56<oggi>something like that, i'll take a look
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19:57<oggi>actually, it is! where the hell that '26' came from?
19:57<jerryclunsford>ogg: I would recommend a little studying on networking
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19:57<jerryclunsford>Is that the laptop IP
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19:58<hachi>anyone know how to get a different framebuffer to load in a debian kernel setup?
19:58<hachi>I'm trying to get radeonfb to load
19:58<hachi>or how to disable the vesafb
19:58<jerryclunsford>well It sounds like you didn't get the interfaces file saved and dhcp assigned a new ip
19:59<ml|>mercutio22: ok, was going to suggest something someone had a similar issue earlier; but need to install gnome-audio if not installed and either setup esd, dmix or pulseaudio and some minor setup in gnome
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19:59<oggi>i saved the file, it's for sure - i checked
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20:00<oggi>why dhcp works now and didn't worked last time?
20:00<jerryclunsford>did you have the netmask, gateway, and broadcast address in the interface file
20:01<jerryclunsford>don't know it should have been assigned a new ip on boot
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20:02<oggi>yes, there are all of them there
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20:02<jerryclunsford>and all of that was there when you edited it to set the static ip address
20:04<oggi>yes, i belive it remembered it from the last night, even now those addresses stay in that file, and that with ...14 that i changed
20:04<jerryclunsford>does it say static for the interface or does it say dhcp above the ip address
20:05<jerryclunsford>well I don't know but it works
20:06<jerryclunsford>try shutting it down and rebooting and see if it keeps working
20:06<jerryclunsford>I need to step out for a smoke break
20:06<oggi>ok, thanks a lot, it's important that it works for now, I'm trying to bring computer in "usable" condition so that i can use to continue..
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20:10<jerryclunsford>Oggi: try shutting it down and rebooting a few times boring but it will tell you if it is going to work consistantly
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20:11<oggi>ok i'll try right now
20:11<thayer>is there a program like yoono where you can sign into all your chats like aim facebook and myspace from?
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20:14<oggi>it works :), the ip is now ...27
20:15<oggi>jerry: in the mean time would you know if this is the right procedure to install nvidia drivers:
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20:17<jerryclunsford>oggi: just a moment
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20:18<oggi>jerry: ok
20:19<jerryclunsford>oggi: typ in /msg dpkg nvivia it tells you what you need to know or where to find it there
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20:19<jerryclunsford>are you using X Chat?
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20:19<oggi>ok right now, yes XChat
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20:21<jerryclunsford>if you look to left of the center box to your connections you will see one dpkg after you enter the above text click on it to change to that window
20:22<oggi>when i type that it says "msg/ : no such file or directory"
20:22<jerryclunsford>As for how to do it. I don't know myself my server has a ATI Rage XL onboard
20:23<jerryclunsford>are you typing where you type messages here or a terminal window
20:24<jerryclunsford>you type it here not in a terminal it's a bot on the site.
20:24<themill>dpkg: tell oggi about nvidia
20:25<themill>oggi: a new tab will have opened with a message from the bot "dpkg".
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20:25<oggi>jerry: ok, i see it now! i first typed that in a terminal :)
20:25<oggi>I'm new to XChat also.
20:25<jerryclunsford>every one is at one time.
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20:27<thayer>where do files downloaded from spm go?
20:27<thayer>spm- synaptic package manager
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20:29<jerryclunsford>Oggi: good luck time for me to go.
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20:29<dominique>Hi there
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20:30<dominique>anyone here who can give me a tip (using Crunch Bang / openbox)
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20:32<dominique>how to permanently enable window-compositing under openbox plz? Which Ini or config file?
20:33<thayer_>what folder do the files that are downloaded from synaptic package manager got to
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20:34<thayer> what folder do the files that are downloaded from synaptic package manager got to
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20:35<thayer>thank you
20:35<thayer_> what folder do the files that are downloaded from synaptic package manager got to
20:35<dominique>If i remem,ber right /var/cache/apt/archives
20:35<sney`>yep, that's it
20:36<sney`>thayer_: I think you started your irc client twice buddy ;)
20:36<dominique>To clean up: sudo aptitude clean (right?)
20:36<thayer>ya i know
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20:38<dominique>any idea how to enable compositing permenently?
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20:38<bja>Is anyone familiar with downloading firefox source code, I just can't find it :( ( i mean the latest greatest source code from mozilla foundation)
20:39<bja>dominique: iou 1
20:40<abrotman>dominique: i think you want #debian
20:41<abrotman>or whatever channel for your distro
20:41<abrotman>oh jeez .. ignore me
20:41*abrotman runs away sheepishly
20:41<ml|>!lart abrotman
20:41*dpkg resizes abrotman's terminal to 40x24
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20:41<dominique>Crunchbang Linux, based on ubuntu which ist bases on debian. Ubuntu: gnome
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20:42<dominique>I use openbox, so where to go? XD
20:43<abrotman>dominique: #crunchbang on
20:43<ml|>dominique: /msg dpkg openbox
20:44<dominique>thx :)
20:44<bja>dominique: thx to you too
20:44<ml|>well in that case what abrotman said and/or #openbox on freenode
20:44<abrotman>no really .. #crunchbang
20:44<dominique>Yes. thx ill try
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20:48<llah22>hello world
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20:54<dominique>Thx guys. Problem solved :)
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21:12<ooast>hi guys. The little audio thing here on this page --
21:12<ooast>Could you tell me please what I need to have it working?
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21:18<kenyon>!tell ooast about realplayer
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21:18<abrotman>i'm not sure it's realplayer
21:18<abrotman>and do they even still make real player for linux ?
21:19<ooast>apparently -- dpkg> kenyon wants you to know: realplayer is, like, RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or or ask me about <helix player>, or ask me about <real codecs>
21:19<kenyon>I just clicked the "plugin needed" box on that page, it said real player
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21:20<abrotman>ooast: but how old is that ?
21:20<ooast>How old is what?
21:20<abrotman>that factoid
21:20<ooast>I got it just after <kenyon> !tell ooast about realplayer
21:20<abrotman>ooast: you can probably "/msg dpkg real codecs" and use those instead of mucking with the realplayetr
21:21<abrotman>ooast: yes, i meant when was that factoid created
21:21<ooast>Oh, sorry, no idea - and no idea how I check that
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21:24<ooast>just got the bin file from -- and it's working alright I guess. :)
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21:43<cesurasean>-bash: /usr/sbin/apxs: No such file or directory
21:43<cesurasean>can anyone help me to use apxs on squeeze?
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21:46<abrotman>cesurasean: apt-file ?
21:46<cesurasean>abrotman, huh?
21:46<cesurasean>i need to use apxs to load a module for apache
21:47<abrotman>cesurasean: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/apxs
21:47<cesurasean>it would be much easier to use find. :)
21:47<Pitxyoki>Or you can use
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21:47<cesurasean>i will check to see if it exists
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21:48<abrotman>cesurasean: find only works if you have it installed
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21:49<Pitxyoki>And if you have it installed. I'd recommend dpkg -S
21:50<cesurasean>im just saying, it's easier.
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21:53<fred1>cesurasean, 'find' can only look for files already on your system. it cant search software repositories
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21:53<cesurasean>i see.
21:53<cesurasean>fred1, thx
21:53<fred1>your problem, is that you dont have apxs installed. So you need to see what package its in, and install that package
21:53<fred1>apt-file is one utility that can find packages
21:54<cesurasean>yes, i have found apxs at /bin/apxs2
21:54<fred1>the error above suggests something is looking for 'apxs' in /usr/sbin'
21:54<fred1>as opposed to 'apxs2' in /bin'
21:54<fred1>ive n idea what apxs even is. are there two versions of it?
21:57<ml|>if a package is installed you can use whereis and/or which to find it quickly
21:57<fred1>'which' will only find executables in the search path
21:58<fred1>so it won know anything about libraries, or dictionaries, or anything like that
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21:58<fred1>'locate' (if you have the update daemon configured in cron) will search all files on the entire system
21:58<fred1>but only ones added prior to the last update run
21:59<fred1>the point is - what is trying to use apxs(2), which version do you have installed (if there are more than one), and how/where is this script/program trying to use/find apxs
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22:00<fred1>hrm.. perhaps its trying to use apxs for apache v1, and you have apache v2?
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22:02<ml|>yes, but for his usage either will do
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22:03<fred1>well, the (script?) will have to call the executable by its correct name, regardless
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22:03<ml|>not about that
22:04<fred1>whatever he was running said it couldnt find /usr/sbin/apxs - he apparently has a /sbin/apxs2
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22:05<ml|>of course it helps to know the name
22:07<ml|>talking about apt-file reminded to update :)
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22:55<Tanstaafl>I am having such an interesting time figuring out what is wrong; as it is, when the gnome login comes up I can move the mouse pointer but the keyboard is totally unresponsive
22:55<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: what hardware is this?
22:56<Tanstaafl>an hp tx2000z laptop
22:56<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: does an external usb keyboard work?
22:56<Tanstaafl>I don't have one
22:56<dondelelcaro>(or external any kind of keyboard?)
22:56<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: do you have an older kernel which did work?
22:57<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: does the keyboard work earlier in boot? [before gnome comes up, but after grub has booted?]
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22:57<Tanstaafl>well, it was working fine until I upgraded xserver-xorg; and yes it does work earlier, and it works in the virtual console
22:58<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: ah, ok. and you have xserver-xorg-input-keyboard installed?
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22:59<dondelelcaro>Tanstaafl: ok, use a paste site to paste your Xorg.log
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23:27<colton>Hi, I just installed debian, and i'd like to configure it to work with my dual monitor setup. Right now, it's just redering a copy of the same screen in both monitors. What can I do to fix it?
23:27<Tanstaafl>what kind of video card do you have?
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23:29<colton>I googled it, and all the links I got pointed to configuration files. Is there any way to do it without having to write a long configuration file and track down a hundred tiny details any one of which could cause the whole thing to fail?
23:30<Tanstaafl>I'm not sure; I have only setup an ATI dual head system
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23:33<colton>How can I install nvidia drivers?
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23:35<Tanstaafl>colton: this covers how to install very well
23:35<ham>so I just switched from Xubuntu where I'd backed everything up to a Truecrypt protected external drive, and in Debian, Truecrypt tells me I have the wrong password for the drive
23:36<colton>Just tell me upfront. Is it a pain in the ass?
23:36<Tanstaafl>is what?
23:37<colton>I'll just install ubuntu if it's going to take a long time to install nvidia drivers.
23:37<Tanstaafl>it isn't
23:37<ham>colton: I just did it, it takes a little while but you just follow the instructions
23:37<ham>in Ubuntu it's easier, but have fun getting sound to work in 9.10 >.>
23:37<colton>Yeah. I'm switching to ubuntu.
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23:38<Tanstaafl>well, it is about the same to install the driver in ubuntu or debian
23:38<ham>Tanstaafl: I didn't find so... in Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
23:38<colton>No it isn't. Ubuntu has a simple dialog. takes 10 seconds.
23:38<sney`>colton: it's pretty easy on lenny. on squeeze it's a minor pain in the ass but it's not a problem either way
23:39<ham>in Debian I had to download and compile some things, but again you just follow those instructions given above and wait a few minutes and then it's the same as Ubuntu
23:39<sney`>it's not gonna be 10 seconds because debian has higher standards for what software is included... but on the other hand, you get better support and a system that's more likely to work
23:39<ham>back up xorg.conf, do nvidia-xconfig in text mode, reboot, do nvidia-settings in GUI mode, reboot again, there you go
23:39<sney`>reboot o_o
23:40<sney`>just gotta restart X
23:40<ham>well you don't really need to reboot but who cares about uptime on an OS you just installed?
23:40<sney`>eh it's just a time waster
23:40<ham>either way
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23:41<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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23:43<sney`>^^ heh
23:43<ravenbird>sney`: no idea
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23:43<ml|>ravenbird: who are you
23:43<ravenbird>ml|: (who [<mask>]) -- Returns the nicks of all users matching <mask> on this network. If <mask> is not given, '*supybot*' will be used.
23:44<ml|>ravenbird: what are you
23:44<ravenbird>I am a supybot. I used to be an infobot. See <infobot>, <supybot>.
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23:44<sney`>ravenbird: why are you here?
23:44<ravenbird>sney`: Bugger all, I dunno.
23:44<sney`>we already have 2 bots.
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23:44<sney`>well, I guess judd is gone
23:44<sney`>ravenbird: versions linux-image
23:44<ravenbird>sney`: I wish you would RTFM.
23:45<sney`>man, not even useful
23:45<ml|>sney`: sort a backup for dpkg
23:45<ravenbird>sney`: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, Debian, Dict, Dunno, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, Limiter, Linux, Math, Memo, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, News, NickCapture, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Pastebin, Plugin, Praise, Protector, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Relay, Reply, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, (1 more message)
23:45*sney` stops spamming the channel
23:45<simonrvn>sney`: stop that
23:45<simonrvn>thank you
23:45<ham>nicely timed
23:46<sney`>I just wanted to see if it mimiced dpkg's responses, and !list is a short one
23:46<sney`>on dpkg it is because it's just meant to scare off the italians
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23:47<ml|>sney`: /msg ravenbird ;) also lives in #debian-offtopic :)
23:47<sney`>fair enough!
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23:48<simonrvn>sney`: the funny part is that if they do decide to do ^list they'll be scared off anyway ;)
23:48<sney`>no kidding
23:49<sney`>I half wanted to /part myself just from the shame
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23:49<simonrvn>haha . sorry i shouldn't laugh, i feel like that sometimes myself.
23:49<Tanstaafl>so, what would I do to fix thix?
23:50<Tanstaafl>I find this as proof that my computer truely hates me
23:50<simonrvn>computers don't have emotion chips
23:50<ml|>is that on sid?
23:50<sney`>they only feel cold indifference
23:51<ham>and sometimes that makes them very sad
23:51<Tanstaafl>it was during an apt-get upgrade
23:51<ml|>dpkg: tell Tanstaafl why aptitude
23:51<ham>so nobody knows why truecrypt on Debian rejects my password?
23:53<ml|>Tanstaafl: also /msg dpkg sid
23:53<sney`>I've never used truecrypt, but that doesn't mean *nobody* knows... wait for a different time zone to wake up and ask them :)
23:53<ham>rule #1 of computers: it can never just work
23:53<ml|>yep, just again in a little while
23:53<ham>may as well at least get X going
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23:56<dpkg>hello, d3co
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23:58*hyperhacker <-- ham, now with actual nick
23:58<hyperhacker>and yeah I meant nobody here but anyway
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23:58<sney`>I think i liked your old nick better
23:58<sney`>not joking
23:59<hyperhacker>my usual one was taken
23:59<ml|>sney`: hungry? ;)
23:59<hyperhacker>pff I'm not in my own sudoers file... this needs fixing
23:59<hyperhacker>or I could just use the root terminal like I probably should be doing eh
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23:59<sney`>if you stay like this I'm going to constantly mistake you for one of those kids who joins running backtrack4 and asks how to exploit ssh, and while we're at it what's a bash prompt
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