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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-30

---Logopened Sat Jan 30 00:00:10 2010
00:00<ZeroCide>i need help configuring courier for pop/imap with authlib-pam and to allow sending to outside emails / accecpt incomming outside emaisl
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00:01<cesurasean>ZeroCide, have you been to
00:01<ZeroCide>yes cesurasean sadly all their tuts include either exim/dovecot/postfix
00:01<ZeroCide>which i dont want to include
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00:01<ZeroCide>im just trying to do a pure courier mailserver
00:02<cesurasean>anyone know which dvd contains grub2 for testing?
00:03<cesurasean>i'd rather not have 7 coasters, if possible.
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00:03<ZeroCide>sec cesurasean let me look at my cds
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00:03<cesurasean>ZeroCide, you mean dvds
00:03<kop>ZeroCide: Looked at /usr/share/doc/courier*/README.Debian?
00:03<ml|>cesurasean: take a look at grml /msg dpkg grml
00:03<Coburn|MacBook>What dvds are they? :P
00:04<cesurasean>unstable/testing. which dvd contains grub2?
00:04<ZeroCide>kop a little bit
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00:04<cesurasean> /msg dpkg grml
00:04<ZeroCide>not much
00:04<klh>cesurasean, why use dvd when you are connected on the net ?
00:04<ZeroCide>bah cant find my deb cds atm
00:04<Coburn|MacBook>Question: Does debian have any ircd servers in it's repos?
00:04<kop>ZeroCide: That should have everything debian-specific.
00:04<ZeroCide>sudo aptitude
00:04<ZeroCide>then press /
00:04<ZeroCide>and type ircd
00:05<ZeroCide>in the search box and hit enter
00:05<Coburn|MacBook>aptitude? Bah! That piece of *shot*
00:05<ZeroCide>k kop ill take another look
00:05<cesurasean>klh, it goes to busybox, readonly filesystem when using super grub boot disk.
00:05<ZeroCide>search there Coburn|MacBook
00:05<Coburn|MacBook>I uninstalled aptitude, it took up 12MB HDD
00:05<ZeroCide>aint bad
00:05<klh>Coburn|MacBook, apt-cache search ircd
00:05<ml|>cesurasean: trying to reinstall grub2
00:05<Coburn|MacBook>klh: thanks
00:05<ZeroCide>for such a nice cli
00:06<cesurasean>ml|, i did. not connection to the internet. :(
00:06<Coburn|MacBook>ZeroCide: I found it lame and ugly
00:06<cesurasean>hence im trying to use dvds the old school way
00:06<kop>ZeroCide: As far as courier in general goes there's probably an entry for it in /etc/pam.d/ that you frob like any other pam module to use the authetication and authorization databases of your choice.
00:06<ml|>cesurasean: are you on testing or stable?
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00:07<Coburn|MacBook>Debian 5 works nice on a old Dell PowerEdge 2250 rackmount server, I must say
00:08<ZeroCide>yeah kop debian has the courier-authlib-pam
00:08<Coburn|MacBook>Dual 40GB SCSI HDDs, 512MB Ram, etc
00:08<ZeroCide>which sets all that needed stuff
00:08<ml|>stable cd/dvd won't help you; you either a testing cd or another that has grub2, like grml or what you supergrub
00:08<ml|>cesurasean: ^
00:08<kop>Coburn|MacBook: I win. I've just installed on an Gateway g6-160 that's got 48M of ram. :)
00:08<ZeroCide>kop have you gotten courier to accept non local network mail before?
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00:09<Coburn|MacBook>I'm working on CoburnOS that's gotta run under 512MB HDD and 96MB RAM
00:09<Coburn|MacBook>Currently, Debian install on the CF Card takes up 99MB
00:09<Coburn|MacBook>I'm like :D
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00:09<ml|>cesurasean: stable cd/dvd won't help you; you need either a testing cd or another that has grub2, like grml or what you already have supergrub
00:09<kop>ZeroCide: courier is a imap/pop server. It does not accept mail from anywhere.
00:09<Coburn|MacBook>debian overwrote my pretty MOTD
00:10<Coburn|MacBook>with boring "OMG, Debian is free software blah blah"
00:10<kop>Coburn|MacBook: All by itself without you doing anything?
00:10<gsimmons>Coburn|MacBook: man motd.tail
00:10<Coburn|MacBook>kop: I think it's doing it every reboot
00:11<Coburn|MacBook> On Debian systems, the system message of the day is rebuilt at each
00:11<Coburn|MacBook> startup, in order to display an accurate information. /etc/motd.tail is
00:11<Coburn|MacBook> the file to edit permanent changes to the message of the day.
00:11<Coburn|MacBook>That would explain it.
00:12<ZeroCide>yes but kop i thought with the mta it can
00:12<Coburn|MacBook>Question: What IRC is best?
00:12<Coburn|MacBook>InspIRCd, UnrealIRCd, etc?
00:12<cesurasean>ml|, i asked which testing dvd has grub2 on it?
00:13<evil>hello, how can i write on a hfs+ partition?
00:13<kop>ZeroCide: Yes. But you need to configure your mta. dpkg-reconfigure will work to make (very) gross changes. Myself, I prefer frobbing postfix by hand.
00:13<Coburn|MacBook>evil: mount -t hfsplus -o rw <dev path> <mount path>
00:14<kop>evil: You have to mount it first. That means using the mount command or modifying /etc/fstab so it mounts on boot.
00:14<ZeroCide>so is what your saying after i do sudo aptitude install courier-mta
00:14<Coburn|MacBook>evil: mount -t hfsplus -o rw /dev/sda2 /mnt
00:14<ZeroCide>do sudo dpkg-rconfigure courier-mta
00:14<ml|>cesurasean: ah, ok guess I missed that sorry, there are some links here that should help you reinstall grub2 ...
00:14<Coburn|MacBook>evil: That's an example.
00:14<evil>ok, thanks. i would try it
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00:15<cesurasean>ml|, how am i to do that when my sources do not contain what it needs?
00:16<cesurasean>it sounds like burning all testing dvds, and using apt-cdrom is my best choice.
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00:16<Coburn|MacBook>cesurasean: So you don't have any sources in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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00:17<ml|>cesurasean: guess I don't understand what you are doing
00:17<cesurasean>Coburn|MacBook, the sources i have are not adequate enough.
00:17<cesurasean>not connection to the internet as i have stated.
00:17<Coburn|MacBook>cesurasean: Right.
00:17<Coburn|MacBook>How about grub-install (hd0) ?
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00:18<cesurasean>Coburn|MacBook, do you know which dvd of testing has grub2 on it?
00:18<ml|>ok, but didn't you say you supergrubcd?
00:18<cesurasean>Coburn|MacBook, i haven't tried that yet. thx
00:18<Coburn|MacBook>cesurasean: I just use Debian Minimal ISOs to install Debian on my computers.
00:19<Coburn|MacBook>It's my computer, therefore I want it my way (TM)
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00:22<cesurasean>i think i may be stuck with downloading all of the disks. i would assume grub is on dvd 7 since grub is last to install...
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00:25<sney`>no, grub is on dvd 1 because the first disc is all you need
00:25<sney`>all you need to get a working system, anyway.
00:25<cesurasean> sney`, thank you jesus!
00:26<cesurasean> sney`, you must have been sleeping.
00:26<sney`>I just got in
00:26<cesurasean>praise the lord. hallelujah.
00:27<sney`>ml| surely knows this as well, but sometimes he's a little obtuse ;)
00:28<cesurasean>yeah, im not quite sure what's up with him tonight.
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00:31<ml|>heh, still don't know what you are trying to do; when you have already have a cd that has grub2; anyways just trying to help sorry
00:31<sney`>I just parse for the simple questions
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00:32<ml|>yeah, his last question won't over since I was still stuck on the other
00:33<ml|>sney`: after you said ... < sney`> no, grub is on dvd 1 because the first disc is all you need ; I was like duh I knew that ;)
00:34<sney`>I guess grub is on every bootable install disc except for the businesscard, probably
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00:35<ml|>never used the business card cd
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00:37<ZeroCide>how is postfix on cpu usage
00:37<ZeroCide>the docs in the /usr/share/docs/courier = crap
00:37<ZeroCide>they refering to everything as if it was a source compile
00:37<ZeroCide>which means half the appnames are missing
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00:41<kop>ZeroCide: I've used it to deliver about 3500 messages in the last 5 days on a 400Mhz P6 with spam filtering and greylisting with virtually no load.
00:42<ZeroCide>mind helping me configure it? ect
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00:43<kop>ZeroCide: You should be able to use dpkg-reconfigure to make the changes you want.
00:43<ZeroCide>and have it fully functional
00:43<ZeroCide>accepting outbound/inbound emails
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00:47<Coburn|MacBook>Question: Does a package called 'anope' exist for debian?
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00:47<Coburn|MacBook>Or will I have to compile from source?
00:47<kmap>Coburn|MacBook: Doesn't seem to exist?
00:47<sney`>looks like a no
00:48<Coburn|MacBook>What a crapper. Looks like I'll have to break good 'ol make and friends
00:49<Coburn|MacBook>Unless someone wants to compile for me...
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01:01<Coburn|MacBook>Did Debian ever get ported to the SH3 CPU arch?
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01:22<Chameleon>ok it is friday why are all the channels quite?
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01:25<hash>hi everyone
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01:27<Chameleon>Omg sone one is alive
01:28<stack_underflow>what's up?
01:28<Chameleon>dude i was in here yesterday the channels were all talking like crazy now to night seems like everyone is drunk and cant type
01:28<stack_underflow>lol i was semi-drunk
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01:29<stack_underflow>are there 358 people in this channel?
01:29<Chameleon>ok well my question is do i need a e-mail to resgester a name on a channel ?
01:29<stack_underflow>not sure, this is my first day using irc, i registered my email
01:30<stack_underflow>well for freenode i had to
01:30<Chameleon>i think someone stole my name then
01:31<Chameleon>cuz it says it is resgestered
01:31<stack_underflow>stole or already registered it?
01:31<Chameleon>strane cuz i didnt have that problem yesterday
01:31<Chameleon>registered it
01:31<stack_underflow>i don't really know how irc works as of now so i'm not of much help
01:32<Chameleon>ya me either
01:32<Chameleon>you useing a distro ?
01:32<stack_underflow>debian lenny
01:32<Chameleon>trying to upgrade?
01:32<ml|> /msg nickserv help for registration help also /j #oftc for help with that
01:33<stack_underflow>i had squeeze earlier today but people suggested i stick with lenny
01:33<stack_underflow>i'm kind of a linux noob, i just know the basics; i grew up with windows
01:33<Chameleon>ml|, i just wanted to know if i need a e-mail for that ?
01:34<Chameleon>same i just trying to figure out what distro i want to use
01:34<ml|>Chameleon: yes, but try the above
01:34<stack_underflow>so when you register with nickserv, does that apply for all of irc, or only certain networks?
01:35<stack_underflow>i know how you feel, i used to distro hop a lot
01:35<stack_underflow>started with ubuntu, then opensuse, debian, back to ubuntu, lol
01:35<stack_underflow>i like debian, i hated ubuntu's update cycle
01:35<ml|>only on that network
01:35<ml|>dpkg: irc
01:35<stack_underflow>it seemed with every update cycle, my system would slow down and a crapload of things would break
01:35<dpkg>it has been said that irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: . Please read . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
01:35<stack_underflow>ml|, oh ok
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01:36<ml|>stack_underflow: /msg dpkg irc tutorial for info
01:36<Chameleon>ive tryed lots also but i seem to like the ones that are way to advanced for me
01:37<stack_underflow>ya, they get you to learn more
01:37<stack_underflow>originally i wanted to learn more about linux, but i started programming, so i don't spend as much time messing around
01:39<stack_underflow>hmm, i was reading that tutorial earlier, must have closed the tab
01:40<Chameleon>i want to use debian,gentoo or slackware
01:41<Chameleon>i would really like to use slackware for how secure it is
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01:41<Chameleon>well from what i read about it any how
01:42<stack_underflow>i'm pretty sure all linux distros are really secure
01:42<stack_underflow>i tried gentoo in a virtual machine once
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01:43<tp43>My computer won't boot the cdrom iso's I just made. I am guessing there is something wrong with the cd's I burnt
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01:44<stack_underflow>did you burn them as images or just data?
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01:44<tp43>stack_underflow, as images
01:44<Chameleon>ya i like gentoo i had a working install once but i didnt like what my videocard fan was working so hard
01:44<stack_underflow>tp43, using linux or windows?
01:44<tp43>stack_underflow, Debian of course
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01:45<stack_underflow>tp43, oh for some reason i thought you meant debian install iso's, uhh not sure, i don't have experience doing this
01:46<stack_underflow>Chameleon, the only thing i dislike about linux is the video support for my integrated gfx card (i'm on a laptop)
01:46<tp43>stack_underflow, yeah, it was debian install iso's too. I want change my system to testing. I guess I can do it some other way
01:46<tp43>stack_underflow, testing as in squeeze
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01:46<stack_underflow>videos always tear, so i have no other choice but to use windows for entertainment
01:46<stack_underflow>tp43, you can just change your sources.list from 'stable' or 'lenny' to 'squeeze' or 'testing'
01:47<tp43>stack_underflow, yeah, true
01:47<stack_underflow>tp43, although i tried that once and my system got all weird, i would suggest installing from scratch
01:47<Chameleon>stack_underflow, there are lots of pages you can read now how to get that to work and that is best thing about nix is that you never seem to stop learning
01:48<stack_underflow>Chameleon, trust me, I have spent hours trying to fix this, but i've always had issues with compiling newer versions of kernels that do support my card fully
01:48<stack_underflow>i've just learned to accept it, lol
01:49<stack_underflow>and i just don't have as much time as i used to with school and everything
01:50<Chameleon>stack_underflow, i know what your saying funny you say that to cuz that is what nix is all about is freedom and here we are in a world that really all our free time is not really free
01:52<stack_underflow>Chameleon, sucks doesn't it? i'm still a noobie, so i'm hoping once i gain more experience, nuances like these will be trivial to solve
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01:52<sanduz2>does anyone know why python 2.6 isnt the default on debian testing? or when it will be?
01:53<stack_underflow>not sure, but whenever i think of debian, i think "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", lol
01:53<Chameleon>stack_underflow, one way is to get a linux book of some sort and on your travel time read it
01:54<Chameleon>stack_underflow, to school from school
01:54<stack_underflow>Chameleon, do you know any good ones specifically? i downloaded an ebook called 'how linux works', it's just an explanation of CLI basics and how the system works
01:55<tp43>cli is a lot ot know
01:55<stack_underflow>Chameleon, tbh, i'm just waiting until i'm finished high school (few more months), then I can spend all the time I want with linux; i'll be studying comp sci in uni so that should help too
01:56<stack_underflow>i can get around the system with the CLI, it's just that i haven't gotten to that level of expertise in linux where if someone asks me what's wrong with their system, i can figure it out and fix it, like i can with windows
01:56<tp43>yeah, the discs I burn are no good. How can you install from a cdrom iso on your harddrive?
01:56<Chameleon>Ot imo is better than gtk
01:57<tp43>I like qt, but they are both good
01:57<stack_underflow>tp43, if you have a flash drive handy, and your BIOS supports usb boot, you can copy the iso onto the usb after you prep it, i have a link somewhere
01:57<tp43>But kde 4 is awesome
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01:59<tp43>stack_underflow, well, I was hoping I could mount iso's from within linux. I tried with mount /home/tp43/gparted.iso /mnt but it return Not Block device
01:59<Chameleon>stack_underflow, ya iam not good with linux at all to be truthfull you probly know more than me
01:59<stack_underflow>oh you have to use something involving mount and loop
01:59<sanduz2>anyone have a rough guess at when the next debian stable will come out?
01:59<stack_underflow>search it in google, 'how to mount iso linux', i did that once
02:00<tp43>sanduz2, I think its pretty stable already, I am trying to install it now. But probably soon, squeeze will be stable. But I can't make any educated guess, cause I am just an observer
02:00<sanduz2>thanks, i heard it was supposed to be released in december but they stopped so i wonder for how long heh
02:01<ml|>tp43: did you verify the iso before burning it and after?
02:01<tp43>ml|, no, but I didn't get any errors
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02:02<tp43>ml|, I think the discs are cheap. How can I verify them. Well, they already failed, cause I pop them in and mount them and nothing is there
02:02<ml|>I would verify the downloaded iso, then the cd is the iso is fine
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02:02<stack_underflow>tp43, oh i forgot about integrity, if the site you got the iso provideed you with an md5 checksum, you can type 'md5sum filename' and compare it with the one given
02:02<ml|>s/cd is/cd if/
02:03<stack_underflow>i gotta go now guys, nice talking to you all
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02:03<ml|>dpkg: check iso
02:03<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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02:04<tp43>ml|, oh, you know what, lol, I did a dummy burn
02:04<ml|>!lose tp43
02:04<dpkg>tp43: You Lose.
02:04<tp43>They are blank discs I was trying to tboot
02:05<ml|>it happens; now burn it for real this time ;)
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02:05<tp43>ml|, hey, how can I dual boot my existing debian, and testing?
02:06<Chameleon>any one here use slackware befor ?
02:06<ml|>tp43: I don't dual boot, but this should help... /msg dpkg dual boot guide
02:07<tp43>ml|, thnaks
02:07<tp43>ml|, thanks
02:07<tp43>ml|, well, I was wanting to dual boot Linux, but I need to use the same harddrive, I am just gonna install over it
02:08<Chameleon>i think i have to make a hold new E-mail just for nix
02:09<ml|>Chameleon: if you want info on slackware should in their channel
02:09<ml|>ask* jeez
02:09<Chameleon>ml|, i cant cuz iam not regestered
02:10<ml|>ah, yes you need to register on freenode, due to spam attacks
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02:11<Chameleon>OMG that is what happen
02:11<ml|>this oftc btw not freenode
02:11<Chameleon>ml|, yes i know
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02:12<ml|>ok, just making sure, some confuse that sometimes, since #debian on both
02:12<Chameleon>last night it was open like how this place is now that put the lock down on
02:12<jmarsden>Chameleon: A simple /msg nickserv register PASSWORD YOU@EMAILADDRESS.COM will quickly get you registered ...
02:13<alvarezp>I would expect sudo apt-get remove `dpkg -l | grep -- -dev | awk '{ print $2 }'` not to erase anything other than -dev packages.
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02:14<Chameleon>jmarsden, yes but i dont want to use my e-mail that i have noe i need to make one just for linux i think
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02:14<ml|>alvarezp: try aptitude -s purge ~-dev ; remove -s once you know what will happen
02:15<jmarsden>Chameleon: If you don't trust the Freenode admins not to spam you, you have some fairly serious paranoia issues :)
02:16<ml|>I don't think you need a valid email address, but I'm not sure
02:16<jmarsden>ml|: It's hard to click on a link in an email you don't receive...
02:18<alvarezp>ml|: that doesn't help either. aptitude -s purge ~n-dev offers me to remove lots of non -dev packages
02:18<Chameleon>jmarsden, well iam on high aleart so yes iam paranoied
02:18<alvarezp>so there is some package that depends on -dev
02:18<alvarezp>on a -dev, i mean
02:18<ml|>jmarsden: yeah just saw on freenode you do, but not here
02:19<Chameleon>i still cant chose what distro i want still lol
02:20<Chameleon>i think iam going to have to roll some dice
02:20<ml|>##linux on freenode might help
02:20<Chameleon>again il have to register
02:21<ml|>yes, of course
02:21<Chameleon>now i have o make a new nickname
02:21<ml|>you can try #linux on this network
02:22<Chameleon>yes iam in linuxhelp but everyone seem to be sleeping
02:22<jmarsden>Or you can install Debian and then run any other Linux distros you want to try out in virtual machines on top of it :)
02:23<Chameleon>i wish debian was RPM
02:24<ml|>heh, then use a rpm based distro
02:24<Chameleon>what does OFTC standfor ?
02:24<ml|>dpkg: oftc
02:24<dpkg>from memory, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>.
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02:26<ml|>freenode about to transfer to new ircd-seven
02:27<Chameleon>ml|, yes i just seen that something wrong ?
02:28<ml|>no, but things might get bumpy in the transition
02:29<Chameleon>ml|, why that upgradeing orsomething ?
02:31<ml|>yes, to a new ircd, read about here ... and should be able to join #freenode to ask questions; since more talk of this here is off topic here
02:33<Chameleon>ml|, o sorry
02:33<Chameleon>ml|, just trying to find my way home that is all
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02:40<Chameleon>is there a nother channel for just linux
02:40<Chameleon>for all distros?
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02:42<papaj>hi there is anybody from poland?
02:44<Chameleon>omg i cant figure it out why all channels ar so quite
02:45<ml|>papaj: try .. (on
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02:52<h0f1ul>how i can istall a packet on backtrack?
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02:58<papaj>thank, it's i dont speek good anglish :)
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03:03<Chameleon>dame i can ask that in here :(
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03:24<cesurasean>anyone from poland? no, but i did meet a guy from there who kept giving me kraft singles cheese, every morning. ha ha
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03:38<diggy>no, i'm form ua, but it quite near :)
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04:02<Bravewolf>how can I check RAM pages size?
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04:19<Chameleon>ok i got a question what would be the best iso to down load for debian
04:19<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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04:22<Chameleon>like a all in one cd/dvd that had a good manual to install the barbones or if i want to install a basic desktop
04:23<weasel>fetch the first cd or dvd of your arch
04:23<weasel>the rest can easily be installed from the network later
04:23<weasel>install manual is linked from the www.d.o front page.
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04:29<Chameleon>weasel, meaning i dont have to down load all 5 cd/dvds
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04:29<gdb>for basic desktop, only the first is necessary
04:30<weasel>Chameleon: no, you don't.
04:30<weasel>Chameleon: in fact, if you have good network in the place you install there is a netinst image that fetches almost everything from the net during install (and only what you need)
04:31<weasel>Chameleon: or, even more extreme, there is a mini.iso of just a few megs that has even less on CD and gets even more from the net
04:31<Chameleon>what about barbones?
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04:31<weasel>what's that?
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04:31<weasel>Chameleon: netinst images are linked from, mini.iso is on every debian mirror (in dists/lenny/main/installer-$arch somewhere)
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04:32<gdb>do you mean a "barebones" installation or a "barebones desktop installation"?
04:32<papul>is this channel same as in freenode?
04:32<weasel>it's a different bikeshed.
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04:33<Chameleon>just mimial install then build off that
04:33<kenyon>any installation medium can do a minimal install
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04:33<weasel>the installer asks you what you want to install at install time
04:33<weasel>doesn't matter if you pick mini.iso or the bluray image for that
04:34<gdb>barebones installation means during the tasksel portion of the install, uncheck everything but "Standard System" - for a desktop, do that but post install 'aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment' (that will install just gnome and no additional software) -- if you want a "basic desktop" then run "tasksel install desktop"
04:34<Chameleon>ok thank you
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04:34*weasel even unselects standard
04:34<gdb>the desktop task will install an IM client, openoffice, etc
04:34<weasel>and then hate that less is missing every time
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04:35<gdb>I'm surprised binutils isn't part of a standard install
04:35<gdb>What Unix doesn't have strings as part of the base install? ;) (yes, it's not necessary, hence why it's not included, I get that, just surprised is all)
04:35<gdb>but zip and unzip are there
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04:36<weasel>in a minimal install? don't think so
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04:36<kenyon>!info zip
04:37<weasel>dpkg: good morning
04:37<dpkg>hmm... good morning is the only good morning is a dead morning.
04:37<kenyon>I like that you can pretty easily do a pretty minimal install with debian, unlike FreeBSD, for example
04:37<dpkg>zip: (Archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 306 kB, Installed size: 596 kB
04:38<gdb>yeah, sorry, i mean in the desktop task (i install standard system, then openjdk, then the desktop -- i don't like having GNU gcj installed)
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04:41<Chameleon>is there a place i can look at what DVDs have what on them ?
04:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Chameleon -about disk contents
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04:45<Sara`>anyone available for some technical support? :)
04:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:47<Sara`>should the AMD64 version be used solely on a system with an amd64 processor? =x
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04:48<Chameleon>i would think so
04:48<Chameleon>weasel, small CD is all i need right
04:49<weasel>Chameleon: netinst is what I'd suggest then
04:49<ansgar>Sara`: amd64 includes 64-bit Intel CPUs like Core2 as well.
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04:50<Nazcafan>hey, is there a bug currently with gksu authentification?
04:50<weasel>check the BTS?
04:50<Sara`>ansgar: but its definitely the one to use with an amd processor? i just tried installing it and ran into some errors on the initial bootup, i just want to be sure i'm installing the proper version.. xD
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04:54<lolllll>hello :)
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04:55<weasel>Sara`: which amd cpu?
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04:55<weasel>Sara`: "new" (well, last couple of years) 64 bit cpu or not?
04:55<Sara`>Athlon 64 X2
04:55<weasel>that should be alright then
04:55<Sara`>well doh
04:55*Sara` will have to try again
04:55<Sara`>thanks :)
04:56<vortek>is there something comparable to windows 7 gui in debian?
04:56<weasel>I think 64 bit kernels are pretty good at telling you that you did something wrong when you boot them on 32 bit systems
04:56<Sara`>i couldnt get it to boot, it just hung.. finally complained about not being able to find..
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04:57<Sara`>argh, i wish i'd written it down now
04:57<slush>unable to find initrd ?
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04:57<weasel>Sara`: don't boot with quiet=1
04:57<weasel>Sara`: and it'll be more verbose
04:57<weasel>anyway, that's not something related to which cpu you have
04:57<Sara`>slush: yeah, i think that was it =x
04:58<Sara`>okay, just wanted to be sure that something wasnt incompatible.. like i said, i wasn't sure i even had the right version xD
04:58<Sara`><- not savvy ;(
04:58<weasel>probably just a wrong root= option
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04:59<weasel>(or missing modules in the initrd which would be a tad more annoying)
05:03<Sara`>i need to get all of theses?
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05:03<Sara`>The full installation would require 5 discs at 4gbs each? xD
05:05<kenyon>Sara`: no,
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05:05<Sara`>doh, thank you =)
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05:07<Sara`>ahhh.. that's very helpful!
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05:10<Sara`>thanks again, all! i'll probably be back after round 2.. xD
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05:13<grondilu>Hi, while trying to install Inkscape, I'm told that this requires untrusted packages : libplot2c2 pstoedit libwmf-bin perlmagick libpstoedit0c2a. So, WTF ?
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05:21<slush>grondilu: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-key list ?
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05:22<EmleyMoor>The "New updates are available." icon has stopped working on this system - anything I can do to track down why or try t fix it?
05:22<grondilu>it's quite large. What's the command to convert it to a url ?
05:23<dpkg>i guess pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
05:26<grondilu>damned even for pastebinit I'm warned that it is untrusted !
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05:27<EmleyMoor>grondilu: Yes - install it anyway
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05:29<EmleyMoor>apt-key list ?
05:29<grondilu> (for apt-key list)
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05:30<grondilu>STOP : sorry after a apt-get update, it's ok now it doesn't warn me anymore while installing inkscape. Sorry again.
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05:32<vortek>whats the windows mangers for debian that look beter then windows 7? i saw then one time and cant find them agian
05:32<grondilu>gnome with compiz or beryl ?
05:32<slush>how should we know what you find better
05:33<vortek>compiz fusion thanxs
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05:35<EmleyMoor>IMHO any window manager for Debian looks better than Windows <g>
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05:41<vortek>well windows aint bad if you shutdown like 25 servers services lol
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05:42<vortek>craigevil: we live near each other
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05:43<EmleyMoor>My partner uses Windows - and I do his backups
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05:45<EmleyMoor>The only other Windows system here is my work laptop - I can't include that on the backups because of the way they've set it up
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05:46<vortek>cant i install debian and a harddrive that has winxp installed on it??
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05:46<EmleyMoor>My personal laptop came with Windows - which I never booted once
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05:47<EmleyMoor>Put Debian straight on it - sadly not with LVM as that proved troublesome.
05:48<EmleyMoor>Mostly worked out of the box - except wireless which was fine with a backported kernel once up, and Bluetooth which needed a patch
05:48<vortek>my harddrive has like 69 gigs free but it ntfs.. isn't there a debian instaler that can get around that?
05:49<slush>you must resize the partition first
05:49<gsimmons>vortek: Debian-Installer can shrink the NTFS filesytem and reduce the partition's size, at your instruction.
05:49<EmleyMoor>vortek: You could use a partition editor like a gparted live CD (UBCD 5 includes it)
05:50<EmleyMoor>Or what gsimmons said
05:51<vortek>gsimmons: i havent installed debian for a while .
05:51<EmleyMoor>... bulk of that was my install
05:51<vortek>I did not know the instaler did that
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05:52<gsimmons>vortek: You were trying to upgrade an ancient sid install the last time you were here, IIRC.
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05:52<vortek>EmleyMoor: nice
05:53<vortek>now i got a nice dell xps with a 17 inch widescreen :)
05:53<EmleyMoor>I'd have gone for the 15 if my partner hadn't complained about the price and the small keyboard
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05:54<EmleyMoor>I got it just in time for my fortnight in Birmingham
05:55<vortek>so is this deibian installer partition resizer gonna leave my mbr intact? so winblows still boots?
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05:55<EmleyMoor>vortek: It will probably set up grub to include Windows on the menu
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05:57<vortek>the down side is im on a half of meg conection :( debians gona take for ever to download heh
05:57<EmleyMoor>My laptop and my PBX are my only two "perfectly working" Debian systems at present
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05:57<EmleyMoor>My desktop has broken update notification and my Jabber server is prone to loss of bootloader on kernel upgrades
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05:59<EmleyMoor>There's a historic reason for that - I'm just finding it very hard to obliterate that bit of history.
06:00<vortek>well atleast you know its not just you\
06:00<EmleyMoor>Before it was a Dell it was on a wotherboard with four IDEs
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06:02<vortek>so compiz has fusion merged in it
06:02<vortek>from what i read on the site\
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06:08<papul>hi guys
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06:50<Squ1sh>Hello everybody! Anybody russian here
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06:52<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:02<ale>holaa a todos
07:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:07<think43>hi, where is xorg.conf for squeeze?
07:08<locklace>/etc/X11, if it exists at all
07:09<think43>locklace, well, it doesn't, and I am trying to run compiz, and I have to edit xorg.conf for enabling compose I thought
07:09<locklace>then create it
07:11<think43>locklace, hmm, well, you saying I could just create the file, and add the new lines, and leave the rest blank?
07:11<imganquan>hi, I upgrade from lenny to sid, I got a lot of udev rule errors when I boot my laptop, how to resovle it? Thanks.
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07:13<locklace>imganquan: since you're running sid, you're clearly capable of troubleshooting udev yourself
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07:16<imganquan>locklace: :). hehe, thank you for your advice. Maybe I should use lenny.
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07:17<locklace>think43: you may be able to create a minimal config by running "X -configure" as root
07:17<locklace>imganquan: sounds like an excellent idea.
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07:32<uldics>I updated my Testing, it updated the kernel to 2.6.32 trunk. I reinstalled the graphics driver (ati proprietary sh script). And now my Testing refuses to start Xorg, saying Fatal server error: no screens found. Even after I downgraded the kernel to stable 2.6.26. and reinstalled the driver. Is there some package, which has split or something, I miss now?
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07:37<Torsten_W>uldics, testing has xorg-server 1.7.4, fglrx does not support that version
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07:39<uldics>ok, is it then possible to get hardware accelerated graphics on testing?
07:39<Torsten_W>depends on your card
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07:39<Torsten_W>but not with fglrx
07:39<melmothX>uldics: which card do you have?
07:40<xover>when I add a new kernel to the system do i need to copy the new and config files to /boot?
07:40<uldics>motherboard built in ATI HD3200
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07:40<Torsten_W>basic acceleration should work with xorg's radeon driver
07:41<Torsten_W>u need firmware-linux-nonfree
07:41<uldics>installed that firmware, it came as a dependency to some other almost same name package
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07:45<uldics>Hmm, couldnt this be the new driver?
07:46<uldics>This line shows 7.4 of Xorg Automated installer and Display Drivers for X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, or 7.4
07:46<Torsten_W>whats unclear with "fglrx does not support xorg-server 1.7.4"?
07:47<Torsten_W>xorg-server 1.7.4 is xorg 7.5
07:47<uldics>unclear is that probably this new driver has support for 1.7.4, as it has 7.4 in description
07:47<uldics>ahh ok
07:48<Torsten_W>and radeon should work
07:48<uldics>strange nunbering system
07:48<uldics>how do i get that radeon to work?
07:49<Torsten_W>write radeon instead of fglrx in your xorg.conf
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07:49<Torsten_W>but i would do apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core and after that, i would delete the xorg.conf
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07:55<uldics>Thatnks for help, will try that
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08:02<kokeroulis>do you know how can i build or find a kernel which has only the necessarily modules which my laptop requires?
08:04<Torsten_W>find? nowhere
08:04<Torsten_W>build? yes, you can
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08:10<kokeroulis>is there any tutorial?
08:10<Torsten_W>use $serchengine for building a kernel on debian-way
08:10<abrotman>!kp mantra
08:10<dpkg>well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
08:11<Torsten_W>and btw, it's relativly senseless to do so
08:11<abrotman>kokeroulis: but you only load the modules you need .. you're not really going to improve anything
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08:13<kokeroulis>abrotman: ok.Then how can i build a kernel which will work only for my laptop and it will load only the modules which my laptop requires and not all the modules that the brand of my laptop requires
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08:13<abrotman>kokeroulis: why would you do that?
08:13<kokeroulis>so i want to build a kernel which it will only work on dell studio 1557 32 bit
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08:14<kokeroulis>to make my laptop faster...and for the experience.
08:14<abrotman>you won't make it faster
08:14<abrotman>and you'll just create problems for yourself when you forget to include a module, and then you have to recompile everything to make something else work
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08:15<kokeroulis>is it possible to do it?
08:16<kokeroulis>do you know where i can i find a tutorial?
08:16<kamal>kokeroulis: my gentoo experience tells me that abrotman is right.
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08:17<abrotman>kokeroulis: you're going to recompile your kernel to only include modules that you're going to use .. but the system is already only loading modules that it requires
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08:18<kokeroulis>so it doesn't load any modules that are not need?
08:20<abrotman>kokeroulis: 'lsmod' to see what is currently loaded
08:23<kokeroulis>so all these modules are normal for a dell studio 1557?
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08:28<abrotman>doesn't look awful to me
08:28<abrotman>kokeroulis: my laptop loads 100 modules
08:28<abrotman>if you want to compile your own kernel, don't let us stop you, but i don't think you'll see any type of performance gain
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08:31<slush>it could, if you'd optimize it very well, but that is a hard thing to accomplish .. needless to say, you really need to know what you are doing
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08:32<abrotman>likely not anything truly measurable
08:33<kdenlive>sorry for newbie question: can language of distro be changed and if so how?
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08:34<kdenlive>distro is kdenlive debian 64bit in virtual box
08:35<abrotman>kdenlive: ask them
08:35<kdenlive>and in principle?
08:35<abrotman>kdenlive: try #kdenlive on
08:35<kdenlive>distro is in English which is ok but keyboard layout sucks :-(
08:36<kdenlive>@abrotman: thx anyway
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08:38<teliparas>I want to buy a laptop with gma 4500hd. WHAT I WANT IS 1.2D AND 3D full support eg compiz, full functional kde4+effects (not to be slow) 2.full hd support 3.oss driver 4.ability for dual head monitor setup
08:38<teliparas>has anyone any expirence??
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09:28<stuckey>I want to use dmm for just a package or two, and I don't want other packages being upgraded from dmm when I do upgrades. I've heard that this problem can be solved by "apt-pinning" but I'm not sure how to do this. Can someone offer some help?
09:29<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
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09:55<klh>I'm looking for a graphical file browser able to access to samba shares, nautilus just sucks for this work (it works randomly...) any ideas please ?
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09:58<abrotman>xfe? gentoo?
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09:59<klh>hehe, I'm really sorry, it is not nautilus which sucks, it's me...
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10:02<BlackFate>klh, you need gvfs.. thunar cant help you.. but you can mount samba shares in terminal and access them with thunar
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10:05<dr|z3d>Thunar will soon be able to do all that natively.. remote filesystems.. work in progress, though the release date for 4.8 has slipped lately.
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10:06<klh>thx BlackFate but my problem is solved, I put wrong parameters in hosts... nautilus works fine now
10:07<klh>ok dr|z3d but on lenny I can wait it a long time :)
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10:07<judd>Hey everyone, I'm back and I'm a new man! Thanks to jelly and themill for resurrecting me. Please let them know if you see any misfeatures or have any problems.
10:07<klh>hehe judd
10:08<dr|z3d>klh: Or you could just pull from svn and compile yourself while you wait! :)
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10:08<klh>hehe dr|z3d
10:09<klh>it's right, but no need at this time, I just need a better brain
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10:12<Chameleon>can some one redmeny a book to buy for linux ?
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10:18<oliva>hi there is it possible to build a debian package for a different architecture of the building system?
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10:23<SQlvpapir>oliva, yes it is
10:23<klh>oliva, I think it is possible but duno the way to follow
10:24<oliva>SQlvpapir: how?
10:24<SQlvpapir>oliva, you wanna do i386 on amd64? thats the easiest way
10:24<SQlvpapir>something like sudo pbuilder --create --basetgz lenny386i.tgz --distribution lenny --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts i386
10:25<EagleScreen>it is easy with the proper pbuilder configuration
10:25<SQlvpapir>might work for other architectures
10:25<oliva>amd64 on i386 system
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10:28<OSPF>Can somebody help me with debian's exim?
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10:31<oliva>OSPF: ask
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10:33<OSPF>usualy I administer FreeBSD so I know nothing about debian and exim.. I setting up it as written in docs dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config but mail doesnt work I have frozen messges
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10:37<oliva>OSPF can you paste the message?
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10:38<OSPF>i can send mail through exim but end recipient don't have it.. by command mailq i can see frozen messages
10:39<OSPF>SZServer:/etc/exim4# mailq
10:39<OSPF>72m 334 1NbKp9-00018u-LL <> *** frozen ***
10:39<OSPF>72m 584 1NbKpC-00018x-Oe <> *** frozen ***
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10:39<SQlvpapir>OSPF, please use pastebin
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10:46<OSPF>what is pastebin?
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10:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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10:51<OSPF> it's ok&
10:52<oliva>OSPF can we dpkg-reconfigure again togheter?
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10:54<mike-burns>Oh it's really nice to see another FreeBSD guy struggling with Debian. OSPF: Have you found any "Debian for FreeBSD addicts" tutorials or any other hints?
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11:01<OSPF>I don't speak english very well... addicts...
11:03<mike-burns>Heh, I just mean people who only know FreeBSD.
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11:12<mike-burns>I need to run Xorg > 1.6. There is such an Xorg in testing. I'm currently on lenny+backports, and totally new to Linux and Debian. What are my options, Debianically, to run a newer Xorg? What's recommended?
11:12<mike-burns>(Sorry, Xorg >= 1.6)
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11:18<OSPF>mike-burns: I migrated from linux to freebsd about 10 years ago, so i forget linux now.
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11:19<mike-burns>OSPF: Likewise. It's such a different world.
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11:36<tone>i'm looking for help related to chmod...? I dorked up an important user's ability to start an X session
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11:37<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or, or <qotd232>
11:39<tone>i set the /home/user/ directory to match other users, but I called it recusively, which I think is where I fscked up
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11:47<ledus>hi all
11:47<ledus>i need some help please
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11:48<ledus>i use nautilus and when i press m, the effect is the same of ctrl+a
11:48<ledus>select all
11:49<mike-burns>Select the Edit menu. Does 'Select All' have a 'm' next to it?
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11:50<ledus>i yes
11:50<ledus>how can i change it?
11:50<mike-burns>Put your mouse over 'Select All', so that it's highlighted, and press ctrl+a.
11:51<ledus>thank u very much
11:51<mike-burns>Sure thing.
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11:59<dpkg>hmm... sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
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12:16<RedLance>Anybody know how I can give ssh access to a ms-dos program through dosemu?
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12:22<locklace>RedLance: what is this, 1994?
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12:22<RedLance>locklace, Uhmmm...yeah, about then...I've got an old BBS door game that I want to put online.
12:23<jrabbit>I hae no idea how you'd do that
12:23<jrabbit>can wine run it in a linux console?
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12:25<RedLance>jrabbit, Well, it dosen't need wine, it runs great under dosemu...and I was hoping to not have to deal with a whole remote X session...just ssh access
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12:26<jrabbit>well no I was thinking you could run it inside an ssh session
12:26<jrabbit>tryign to simplyify
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12:31<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:32<bja>there is also a
12:33<adb>bja, "giuseppe vai su " ..
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12:34<bja>adb: merci mon italien c'est pas tre bien :)
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12:36<adb>eix_, main italiniche sprache is nich serr gud
12:36<eix_>safe-upgrading to r5 ...
12:36<bja>adb: s/serr/sehr
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12:37<eix_>adb: ;-)
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12:37<eix_>no, just lenny.4 lenny.5
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12:38<giuseppe_> /msg [HHW_005] XDCC SEND #12
12:38<locklace>!slap giuseppe_
12:38*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across giuseppe_'s face
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12:39<mike-burns>What are the risks in using testing instead of stable+backports?
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12:41<eix_>mike-burns: when I started debian, i was tould that testing won't get sec support
12:41<eix_>bakc in 03
12:41<jmarsden>!tell mike-burns about testing
12:41<mike-burns>Right, I've read that.
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12:42<jmarsden>Then the bit about "You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times." would seem relevant :)
12:42<mike-burns>It sounds like if I'm used to a unix with mostly up-to-date packages, I'd want to run testing.
12:42<Maulkin>giuseppe_: Don't do that here
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12:42<eix_>.o( I used testing anyway back then \duck\ )
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12:44<eix_>now i'm tired and lazy enough to run stable+self-compiled
12:45<mike-burns>Well I need the Xorg that's in testing, which is why I'm contemplating it.
12:45<eix_>x is big deal, no backport?
12:46<mike-burns>I don't see it in backports.
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12:47<adb>eix_, testing Xorg will be stable in few months , so no interest to backport it now
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12:48<mike-burns>Is there a guess on how soon squeeze will become stable? Like, from your anecdotal history and the graphs of how many release-critical bugs are killed, etc, ... any guess at all?
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12:53<dpkg>A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see
12:53<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
12:54<mike-burns>Oh, that's great knowledge. Thanks!
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12:59<mihai>i have an isue
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13:02*meglaw_ updates another box to squeeze
13:02<adb>mihai, zii mai incet .. ca ne dor urechile
13:02<mihai>buna seara
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13:03<mihai>am si eu o placa ati radeon de la care am luat de pe net kit-ul de instalare si nu merge
13:03<dpkg>rumour has it, radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd on
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13:04<adb>!tell mihai -about selftell
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13:06<mihai>eu am luat un pachet de instalare dar nu a mers , mi-am instalat ubuntu acum trei zile
13:06<mihai>si doream sa am si alte surse sigure
13:07<mihai>va multumesc!
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13:08<adb>go #ubuntu on
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13:11<kamal>I am having write option for ntfs partitions but not for vfat partitions. the fstab line has options "users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true"
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13:12<Torsten_W>umask =000
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13:14<kamal>Torsten_W: explain
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13:16<mabuse>Hello out there, I have problem. I cannot install miro on squeeze.
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13:16<mabuse>miro depends on xulrunner-1.9, but this should not avaliable.
13:16<mabuse>But I have xulrunner-1.9 installed actually ?!?!
13:16<mabuse>So where is the problem? Does anybody know this problem?
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13:18<adb>let it (xulrunner-1.9) go, miro will install a new (version) of xulrunner , my guess
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13:20<mabuse>thats difficult, iceweasel depends also on xulrunner 1.9
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13:21<adb>do it , w'll see
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13:28<Tero>Hmm. Just ran all latest ugrades to lenny and now rsyslog is acting weird. I have shorewall running in the box and it logs dropped connections. I can confirm this with shorewall or "dmesg". But it wont ush them to /var/log/file until I restart rsyslog. Anyone had ideas where to look to fix this?
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13:29<mabuse>adb: doesn't help. Miro isn't installable. Will now install Iceweasel again
13:30<adb>Miro isn't installable ? why ?
13:30<adb>not a squeeze package ?
13:30<mabuse>the same problem, xulrunner isn't available
13:31<mabuse>Im running squeeze
13:31<adb> Miro isn't a squeeze package ?
13:32<mabuse>so xulrunner 1.9 is available. I really dont understand
13:32<mabuse>miro is availabe in squeeze, but it depends on xulrunner 1.9
13:32<mabuse>this is also avaiable but apt recognize it ????
13:33<adb>done a aptitude update ?
13:33<mabuse>does not recognize it!
13:33<mabuse>every 30 minutes :)
13:34<adb>paste sources.list
13:34<adb>mabuse, do you use pinning ?
13:35*adb have to go
13:35<mabuse>not actually
13:37<mabuse>here it is
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13:52<axos88>Hi! I would need a CLI front-end for apt, can you suggest any? I've seen a few that can show dependencies, and stuff like that very nicely
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13:53<dkr>axos88: aptitude
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13:55<axos88>dkr, yeah, that was it... heh, never knew you could invoke it without parameters :) thanks
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13:58<Nintendo>JI PI
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14:01<noflash>!ops Nintendo is acting like a fool
14:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: noflash complains about: Nintendo is acting like a fool
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14:02<noflash>thank you
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14:17<samaira>hi all. i am trying to install transmission-gtk from backports. can somebody please tell me about how to view the installed unstalled packages in my system
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14:18<Lethalman>samaira, dpkg -l
14:18<Lethalman>the ones with ii are installed
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14:20<samaira>Lethalman | it shows installed and configured packages. I think i have installed some packages from unstable branch. I would like to view installed packages from unstable branch
14:20<Lethalman>samaira, you didn't say that
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14:21<samaira>Lethalman | please excuse. i mis-spelt word as unstalled instead of unstable packages.
14:22<aespinoza>hi.. can anybody help me disable the tulip driver on boot ? I have made it work manually but on boot, it always loads it back...
14:22<Lethalman>samaira, apt-show-versions |grep unstable will tell you
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14:24<Torsten_W>aespinoza, have you tryed blacklisting of that module?
14:24<samaira>Lethalman | thank u.
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14:25<aespinoza>yes I added it to the /etc/modules.d/blacklist
14:25<aespinoza>but it still loads it up
14:26<Tero>Hmm. Just ran all latest ugrades to lenny and now rsyslog is acting weird. I have shorewall running in the box and it logs dropped connections. I can confirm this with shorewall or "dmesg". But it wont push them to /var/log/file until I restart rsyslog. Anyone have ideas where to look to fix this? Tried reinstalling rsyslog/shorewall.
14:27<aespinoza>I found some forums that said to block it from discover, but they are very old... the discover files is no longer used
14:27<Tero>Any ideas most appereciated. :)
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14:30<samaira>i am trying to install transmission-gtk 1.76 from lenny-backports. but it has shown the message "transmission-gtk: Depends: transmission-common (= 1.76-1~bpo50+1) but it is not installable". can somebody please guide me about how to install transmission-gtk from backports. thank u.
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14:34<Tero>Nevermind, I think it's shorewall problem..
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14:36<dpkg>ygrtgrtrt: VATTENE VIA
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14:37<aespinoza>Ok I fixed it.
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14:38<aespinoza>I blacklisted the module in /etc/modules/. So I have a question what is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist then ? I had tulip blacklisted there, and never worked...
14:38<Lethalman>aespinoza, blacklist.conf
14:38<ygrtgrtrt>testa di kazzo
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14:38<Lethalman>aespinoza, only blacklist won't work with latest module-init-tools
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14:39<aespinoza>Lethalman, ohh ok. So blacklisting a module in /etc/modules/ is fine then ?
14:39<Lethalman>what is /etc/modules/? /etc/modules is a file not a directory
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14:39<aespinoza>Lethalman, a file.
14:40<Lethalman>aespinoza, well it's better to use blacklist.conf
14:40<Lethalman>it's there for that
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14:40<Lethalman>/etc/modules is usually used for loading modules at boot time, not blacklisting
14:40<aespinoza>Lethalman, ok let me see if I can make it work using blacklist.conf
14:40<Lethalman>cause a module can be loaded later
14:40<Lethalman>if you want it only to be blacklisted at boot time, then it's good aespinoza
14:41<Lethalman>otherwise, use modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
14:41<aespinoza>Lethalman, yes. I still want to do things right. I'll make it work with blacklist.conf
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14:52<max_>is anyone here im new to this thing
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14:52<max_>looks like alot of ppl r here could some1 talk with me im new 2 this
14:53<max_>nobody is talking c'mon some1 talk
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14:54<eightyeight>patience must not be his virtue
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14:56<klh>I need a switch, netgear vs trendnet, your opinion ? please :)
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14:58<max_>hey every1 some1 plz plz plz talk 2 me im new and i dont get most of this
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14:59<samaira>hi all. i have installed transmission-gtk from unstable branch. today i have uninstalled it. i am unable to install transmission from backports
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15:00<samaira>please guide me
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15:11<teliparas>I DONT WANT TO FUD so i m asking: i found reports in a greek unix-linux forum that closed sourse nvidia driver cause overflow to some pages opening backdoors to NSA (national security agency of america) (nvidia module run with root privilages) has anyone heard anything about that? i m asking because running nvidia close sourse drivers and thinking to switch to ati or intel
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15:13<teliparas>if someone can read in greeks i can give link
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15:15<tuxcrafter>hi all i set umask to 007 in .profile of user01
15:15<tuxcrafter>but when i do
15:15<tuxcrafter>su -c "umask" user01
15:16<tuxcrafter>the umask is still 0022
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15:16<tuxcrafter>what file should i change to set the umask for user01
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15:22<uwe>join #opensolaris-de
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15:23<uwe>Hi all
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15:23<uwe>Does anynoe here speak german?
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15:24<uwe>Some germans here?
15:24<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:24<prachtschmerle>ja ich spreche deutsch!
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16:00<RedLance>jrabbit, Guess I wasn't aware that you could run a wine program over ssh
16:03<maciek>hey. I have a problem with my flashplugin on Iceweasel. I have lenny. I have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" in v.9, but some videos didn't go. Nex I installed flashplugin-nonfree v.10. It was ok, but after reboot I can't see any flash animations, videos. Where should It be, is empty place. Please help ;)
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16:05<maciek>nobody can help me?
16:06<drunkdarkness>with what?
16:06<maciek>hey. I have a problem with my flashplugin on Iceweasel. I have lenny. I have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" in v.9, but some videos didn't go. Nex I installed flashplugin-nonfree v.10. It was ok, but after reboot I can't see any flash animations, videos. Where should It be, is empty place. Please help ;)
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16:07<maciek>any ideas?
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16:08<adb>maciek, haven't asked same Q last night ?
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16:09<maciek>yeah, but i didnt get answer
16:09<adb>google on it , then
16:09<maciek>and i try again
16:10<maciek>i cant see any solutions of my problem...
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16:11<adb>ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ , says ?
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16:12<dalvarez>I am having difficulties with a vsftpd setup. Can anyone give me advice on whether or not vsftpd can map virtual users to a real user (without affecting local users)? It seems there is just no configuration directive for it. The directives guest_enable/guest_username target all non-anonymous users, including local ones.
16:12<dalvarez>Any ideas are potentially helpful. Thx.
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16:14<maciek>adb: my flashplugin file is here...
16:15<dalvarez>maciek: what was your problem again? Logged in too late to read it...
16:16<adb>maciek, ok , so i dunno
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16:19<kop>dalvarez: You want to use pam for that. likely /etc/pam.d/vsftpd or some such.
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16:19<dalvarez>kop: I am using pam
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16:20<dalvarez>kop: pam_pgsql
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16:21<kop>dalvarez: pam says how authentication is done, how the user's identifier is looked up in a authentication database.
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16:21<dalvarez>kop: the user database is readily set up and apparently it gets used by vsftpd
16:21<dalvarez>kop: but I don't have any ideas of how virtual users can be mapped to local users. In proftpd it was easy
16:22<dalvarez>because proftpd could be configured to lookup uid and gid variables in the db
16:22<kop>dalvarez: Well, you could use, say phppgadmin to administer the authentication db. The db might contain the mapping as data in columns, etc.
16:23<dalvarez>kop: That's just what I did... But how can I tell the pam to read it?
16:23<dalvarez>kop: proftpd came with a proftpd-pgsql module readily adapted to its needs
16:23<dalvarez>kop: vsftpd uses some generic pam_pgsql
16:24<kop>dalvarez: in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd you'd use your pam_pgsql module. It's not in my file so you'd need to put it there and restart vsftpd.
16:25<dalvarez>I did, wait, I'll post the config
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16:25<dalvarez>#auth sufficient
16:25<dalvarez>auth sufficient config_file=/etc/pam_pgsql_vsftpd.conf
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16:26<dalvarez>host = localhost
16:26<dalvarez>port = /var/run/postgresql
16:26<dalvarez>connect = dbname=live-db user=postgres password=<imagine my password here>
16:26<dalvarez>pw_type = password
16:26<dalvarez>auth_query = SELECT passwort FROM pam_pgsql_users WHERE login = %u
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16:26<dalvarez>got kicked
16:26<petemc>dont paste here, use a pastebin
16:27<dalvarez>petemc: how does that work?
16:27<petemc> , for example
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16:27<kop>dalvarez: sounds like you need to look at the logs, like the auth log, (I forget) for more info as to what's failing.
16:28<dalvarez>kop: the question is not how to analyze the problem. The question was how to configure it in the first place
16:28<dalvarez>kop: because I don't know how to tell it, and looking at the logs will not get me further
16:29<kop>dalvarez: What version of debian? I installed vsftpd and didn't get your config so you did configure it somehow. (But I'm running lenny.
16:30<dalvarez>kop: I read through all the howtos I could find and the manpage for the vsftpd.conf where all directives are explained. But non of those people seemed to have the problem of mapping virtual users (and only virtual users) to one specific real uid
16:30<dalvarez>kop: latest lenny plus patches
16:30<dalvarez>dalvarez: got auto-upgraded this morning
16:31<dalvarez>kop: guest_enable apparently isn't it
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16:32<dalvarez>kop: because it addresses all non-anonymous users. I. e. it does not make a difference between non-anonymous local users and non-anonymous virtual users
16:32<kop>dalvarez: Where did the pg db come from? (Why don't I have it?)
16:32<dalvarez>kop: I created a view containing login and password combinations
16:33<dalvarez>kop: sorry, I still don't understand that pastebin. Wait I'll msg.
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16:33<dalvarez>SELECT firmen.login,
16:33<dalvarez> anwender.passwort
16:33<dalvarez> FROM firmen, anwender
16:33<dalvarez>WHERE anwender.ident = firmen.anwender_id
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16:34<petemc>dalvarez: you paste the text into a website, submit it then post the url it gives you here
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16:34<dalvarez>petemc: thanx
16:34<lagisck>algum brasileiro?
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16:34<maciek>flash dont work after reboot? how i can fix it?
16:35<locklace>!tell lagisck about br
16:35<dalvarez>it will take a minute, because the site is blocking for 60 seks
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16:42<dalvarez>But I don't think there is anything wrong with the database.
16:42<dpkg><mops> abrotman: I don't understand me...
16:42<dalvarez>It's just that I have not yet told vsftpd to do it - because I don't know how to do it
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16:44<dalvarez>Probably I should configure it somewhere in the pam config
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16:46<dalvarez>Which is
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16:49<dalvarez>Ok, so here's my vsftpd.conf, to be complete:
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16:51<dalvarez>My original question still is: How can I configure vsftpd/libpam-pgsql to map virtual users (and only virtual users) to a single real uid?
16:51<dalvarez>In proftpd there is a way to do it by mapping column-attributes to your database in the pam configuration
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17:06<dalvarez>Can anyone please point me to some pam_pgsql reference? I can't find any googling and there is no documentation whatsoever coming with the package or the tarball
17:06<dalvarez>I am already reading the C sources. What a life...
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17:08<dalvarez>In proftpd it was enough to use a directive like "SQLUserInfo proftpd_pam_sql_users userid passwd uid gid homedir shell"
17:09<dalvarez>And the table could then be used to configure a custom user mapping (complete with effective uid and gid) and custom homedirs and even a shell
17:10<dalvarez>Any idea on how this can be accomplished with vsftpd/pam_pgsql?
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17:35<dalvarez>So I guess it's back to good old proftpd for me... vsftpd is apparently just not configurable enough once you want something more than just a simple anonymous file server.
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17:39<cesurasean>how do i fix this error? NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
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17:40<cesurasean>nevermind, i think i found a solution.
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18:01<magellanino>how can I solve this problem of grub2? error: invalid signature ?
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18:02<magellanino>this problem there is only for windows partition
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18:08<think43>man ... how do you run compiz on kde 4
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18:18<think43>There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on my system
18:18<locklace>the answer is the same as it was 12 hours ago
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18:20<think43>locklace, well, when I make a file, how do I know all the settings to put in there, where is all the setting already be used?
18:21<gdb>Xorg auto-detects your display and "does the right thing." You don't need an xorg.conf file unless for some reason it's not "doing the right thing."
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18:22<think43>gdb, think is, how do I make these changes for compiz now
18:22<gdb>if you like, you can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just answer the questions, it will generate the file for you.
18:22<gdb>I don't use compiz or any of that 3d stuff so I can't tell you.
18:23<think43>gdb, oh yeah, thanks man, so then I will have a config file, and I can make edits, and Xorg will use the file now instead of working auto?
18:23<gdb>I would suggest dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg to make the file, then editing it as suggested in that writeup.
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18:24<think43>gdb you are cool, thanks for your help
18:24<gdb>hehe thanks, i hope it works for you :)
18:24<think43>gdb, nope, nothing happenned
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18:26<adb>gdb, dpkg-reconfigure is depreciate , use > X -configure :1
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18:27<think43>adb, thanks
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18:28<gdb>adb: Ah, thank you. I didn't know that. Is that new with Lenny?
18:29<adb>think43, using a thinkpad ?
18:29<adb>gdb, y
18:29<think43>logging out, brt
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18:33<alimek>hi, i have question. Someone have installed latest libboost (>1.34) on Debian Lenny ?
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18:35<think43>adb, hmm, it didn't work, it generated a file, and I copied to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and when I did #kdm I got a blank screen
18:36<adb>what;s #kdm ?
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18:37<think43>adb, kde display manager, like xdm and gdm
18:37<adb> X -configure get you a new xorg.conf , up to you to do the fine configuration
18:39<adb>think43, as installing/configuring glx packages
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18:39<think43>adb, but the standard config file generated should work. Let me try again, this time I will reboot after making and copying over the file
18:40<think43>btw, when I came back, mozilla had over 200 tabs open
18:40<gdb>there should be no reason to reboot during any of this process
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18:40<gdb>X is just an application like any other...
18:40<gdb>er, nevermind.
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18:42<think43>my mistake, it works, dunno what I did wrong the last time, well, when you do the test, it fails, but when you run kdm, it works fine
18:42<think43>it doesn't exactly fail I guess, but you get a blank screen
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19:31<esternocleidomastoideo>need some help
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19:32<think43>don't we all esternocleidomastoideo don't weee aall
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19:34<abrotman>esternocleidomastoideo: just ask
19:36<esternocleidomastoideo>I want download debian, but I don't know the right iso... my cpu is a Celeron S478
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19:36<abrotman>is it 64bit?
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19:37<esternocleidomastoideo>no... 32
19:37<jmarsden>esternocleidomastoideo: I'd suggest
19:37<abrotman>you want the i386 isos
19:37<esternocleidomastoideo>i386? Great!
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19:45<think43>Is anyone running compiz on squeeze/kde4, cause it won't run for me, I get Software rasterizer detected, abortingaborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
19:45<Orphee>im using ubuntu now and i was wondering which debian vertion would be easier to use on 64 bits intel ? im a noob
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19:58<franolicar>que hubo
19:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:01<franolicar>que hay de malo con los hispanos si es que somos mayoría
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20:02<locklace>/join #debian-es, amigo
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20:04<think43>my imb touch pad doesn't have full funcitonality with squeeze; namely I cant left click by tapping the touchpad I could do this in Lenny
20:04<locklace>welcome to hal
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20:10<abrotman>think43: you have to configure the touchpad .. ignore locklace
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20:11<hever>Hey, I'm getting strage problems after an upgrade from etch to lenny on a webserver. The scripts run under the owner and inside a directory with the permissions drwxr-xr-x no subdirectory can be created. I don't understand this problem. And there are no errors in the logfiles...
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20:12<Monotoko>:D im on the lenny laptop :P
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20:12<abrotman>Monotoko: you were on freenode before
20:12<Monotoko> i not on freenode? -.-
20:12<hever>I thought about umask problem but afaik those would remark like this....
20:13<locklace>hever: good way to get more info is write a little test web script that does some stuff and prints the results somewhere convenient
20:13<abrotman>Monotoko: this is oftc
20:13<think43>abrotman, I tried to do some edits, I followed this, but it didn't work. And that is for scrolling anyway, which I don't care about. But I like to left click by tapping sometimes, its not a big deal thugh
20:14<hever>I validated this way some things. I'll try to create a dir ;)
20:14<locklace>hever: it's going to be something trivial, so getting the right error message is all that's really needed
20:14<abrotman>think43: use X -configure to generate an xorg.conf .. then use 'man synaptics' to add the options you want
20:14<think43>abrotman, thanks
20:14<Monotoko>sorry, thought the xchat automatic "debian chat" was freenode
20:15<hever>locklace, yes I agree totaly, my problem is I have no error messages just errors ;) But I'm working on this ;)
20:16<think43>abrotman, you are the king!!!!!!!!, I can scroll with two fingers, which way better than using the middle button
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20:18<locklace>hever: are you sure they're actually running under the uid that owns the dir? easy to test
20:18<hever>I put whoami in the chroot and it told me it.
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20:20<locklace>hever: chroot complicates things, though; things can be different inside from how they look outside
20:22<klh>oops sorry
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20:24<hever>locklace, yes I'm very familiar with chroots... hmm this was an quota problem. I hoped I would get some permission problems or suexec violations....
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20:28<hever>my test script may create a new subdir but this cms running there may not...
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20:34<locklace>hever: you can try attaching an strace to it but if it's some big awful nest of scripts, the output will probably be ugly
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20:35<hever>uhh yes, no thankful work...
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20:57<abrotman>Do you need help?
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21:00<ikks>Hi, do you have a recommended software to undelete files from an ext3 partition?
21:00<ikks>Maybe one that can be run from a live cd for example?
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21:02<gdb>have fun with that
21:02<gdb>i don't envy you
21:03<ikks>thx :)
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21:31<think43>my fstab looks funny: # / was on /dev/sda7 during installation '/n' UUID=2e6ec237-5960-48ea-9be0-1ccfa9054ffa / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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21:31<think43># / was on /dev/sda7 during installation
21:31<think43>UUID=2e6ec237-5960-48ea-9be0-1ccfa9054ffa / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
21:32<gilberto>what's the matter?
21:32<think43>I flooded a little
21:33<gilberto>don't worry
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21:37<think43>how do I get my fonts to be sharper for my shell?
21:39<think43>ok, got it, much better
21:41<think43>I have a partition on my disk that I left cause I had some files on it, how can I find it?
21:42<mike-burns>fdisk to find it, mount to mount it.
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21:42<think43>yeah, but I can't figure out which is it, let me see, brb
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21:44<think43>ok, got it, thanks mike-burns
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21:48<peyman>hi everyone, i have a debian testing installed on my pc, and i want to install windows 7 on it to make it a dual boot machine. how do i do that?
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21:50<abrotman>peyman: easier to install windows first
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21:58<peyman>abrotman: i know, but i already have debian installed
21:58<peyman>abrotman: so i have no other choice
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22:07<ikks>gdb I delicioused the link, thanks a lot ;)
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22:24<cesurasean>spongebob, hi.
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22:38<TimbrWolf> /j #debian-amd64
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22:47<TimbrWolf>help window
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23:59<stack_underflow>does anyone know how to install iceweasel 3.5 in lenny? i've added backports but it doesn't show up in aptitude search
23:59<samtry>I just install Debian Daily on 1 full 160gb hard drive now I want to repartion it. Can some please help me with that. Using gparted. I don't want to loose what I just installed. thanks
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