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---Logopened Thu Feb 04 00:00:17 2010
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00:02<yumte>help me....
00:02<kmap>!tell yumte about ask
00:03<yumte>i want to install debian via network without official debian mirror, just local mirror from 1 DVD
00:04<kmap>Well, I guess you'd have to set up the DVD as a mirror on the network?
00:05<yumte>i have pxe server and setup dvd as mirror on network but while installation, it's tell that bad mirror
00:05<kmap>Good point
00:06<kmap>I believe the file structure on a CD is different from that on the mirrors
00:06<yumte>i'm so sorry, i can not speak english well
00:06<kmap>Are you certain that you've pointed it to the right location, containing the Packages.gz file?
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00:07<magyar>i get these error when runing my java plugging >>
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00:07<kmap>Sorry, yumte. I suggest you mail your query to
00:07<yumte>yes... first i try with apache, but it can not accessed
00:07<kmap>yumte: You would get much better answers there
00:07<kmap>yumte: Your English seems good enough. :-)
00:08<yumte>second i try with nfs server, still can not access
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00:18<sampram>sney - i need your help once again. i need instruction on how to change the menu so that it has both Windowxp and Linux after the system is booted. I was going to write it down bub my hard drive crashed. anyway, i think you gave me some commands to update grub. thanks
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00:22<sampram>can anybody help me with that too?
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00:52<KOJIbKA>Looking to solve my problem with Windows built game. details are there
00:54<KOJIbKA>The point is - wine native depository is missing few packages from stable release is it safe to renew version that way?
00:54<samtry>sney - i need your help once again. i need instruction on how to change the menu so that it has both Windowxp and Linux after the system is booted. I was going to write it down bub my hard drive crashed. anyway, i think you gave me some commands to update grub. thanks
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00:58<samtry>anybody - i need your help once again. i need instruction on how to change the menu so that it has both Windowxp and Linux after the system is booted. I was going to write it down bub my hard drive crashed. anyway, i think you gave me some commands to update grub. thanks
00:59<KOJIbKA>what it shows now?
00:59<samtry>just linux
01:01<KOJIbKA>does it boot to it safely?
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01:02<jm_>samtry: install grub2 and os-prober
01:02<samtry>how do i do that?
01:04<KOJIbKA># apt-get install grub2 os-prober <uder root privilege> . Correct me if I'm wrong
01:04<jm_>use grub-pc instead of grub2
01:05<BobHartge>are you sure windows is still installed on the computer?
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01:05<KOJIbKA>defenetely it's there
01:06<samtry>can i use synaptic package manager as superuser?
01:07<KOJIbKA>Just the other day I repartitioned my HDD. Praying to save my Modern Warfare 2 results from collapse. Bootloader did confused me a little. But upon complete finish of install process everything was back to its order
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01:08<KOJIbKA>You sure can
01:09<samtry>ok i just did it now i need to roboot my system and hopefully it works. thanks and i will let you know.
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01:15<samtry>KOJIbKA - i just rebooted and it bypassed the menu completely. now where do i go from here to fix it so i have both winxp and linux?
01:15<gat>is there a place that lists updates to debian that require restarts? just so i can get a sense of what kinds of updates require restarts
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01:17<KOJIbKA>samtry:which one you installed finally?
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01:18<jm_>did you actually install new version of grub with grub-install?
01:20<samtry>not sure i just used synopic package to install. just selected grub2 and let it do all the work.
01:20<KOJIbKA>remember - your old win files are still there. it's a question of time and patience to get it back
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01:22<samtry>yes, it seemed to easy when sney helped me last time and i didn't have a chance to write the command down before my hard drive crashed.
01:22<jm_>ok so you need to install new grub
01:22<samtry>it seemed like the same command you gave me KOJIBKA
01:22<samtry>I just installed grub2
01:23<jm_>no, see above for the command
01:24<samtry>ok i will try it. i did cuz KOJIbKA said i could.
01:25<KOJIbKA>initially in panic I did this all the time but since then Debian Installation Disk changed the rules of the game a little bit
01:25<jmarsden>gat: Upgrading your kernel requires a restart. That's a short list :)
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01:26<jm_>that's the first step, install the package, but you also need to install it on MBR
01:26<gat>jmarsden: i've read that, but i've been using ubuntu on my desktop for a while and i'm pretty sure there are a few non-kernel things that advised me to restart
01:28<jmarsden>gat: Advised... sure. Require? Not so sure. Sometimes you have to know what you are doing to restart services etc and avoid a reboot, but it can usually be done.
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01:29<gat>jmarsden: when updates are installed that either require or advise a reboot in debian, is it in the end of the output of apt-get? or is there some more persistent thing?
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01:29<ras>iso help lol
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01:30<jmarsden>I think there is a mechanism to set a flag to keep reminding you to restart. I'm not sure what that mechanism is, though.
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01:30<ras>cd-setup fails cuz i put the whole iso onto a usb stick, i figured out mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /cdrom -o ro
01:31<ras>but the setup is looking for the cdrom somewhere else?
01:31<ras>eg. i cant fake the mount, any ideas?
01:31<samtry>some how i need to remove grub2
01:31<jm_>grub2 is just a dummy package ...
01:31<samtry>can i do that?
01:32<jmarsden>gat: You can run a Debian desktop and reboot maybe once a quarter, if that... do you really need to reboot a desktop machine less often than that?
01:32<gat>jmarsden: oh i'm using debian on a headless server box and i'd like to reboot no more than once a month ideally
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01:33<gat>ras: - top few results look promising
01:33<ras>thank you gat i sorta looked
01:33<jmarsden>Once a month is very easy to achieve. On a server you can probably get once every six months without trying too hard :)
01:33<samtry>ok guys i need to go to sleep now. thanks
01:33<ras>try fdisk hda or w/e
01:33<ras>and reinitialize the mbr if you understand that tool
01:33<ras>it should remove grub
01:34<gat>jmarsden: is there anything special that i would need to do for that?
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01:34<BobHartge>once a year is reasonable.
01:34<samtry>no i don't sorry
01:34<ml|>ras: /msg dpkg usb install and unetbootin
01:34<jmarsden>No, just know what you are doing as a sysadmin, only apply updates you need to apply.
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01:35<samtry>i have to try you guys again next when i am not too tired. thanks
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01:36<ras>grrr /mnt /cdrom and /media arent the mount pouints ';[
01:36<ras>nvm i got this
01:36<ras>2 stage tyvm
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01:38<sda>hi all, question
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01:39<sda>i need use an EXT4 hd on my debian, how can i add the support of ext4?
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01:39<jm_>install a newer kernel first
01:40<sda>i can't convert in ext3 without change kernel?
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01:41<sda>it's a little difficult for me change server because is not a default kernel
01:43<gat>hmm actually i wonder. is kernel support required for an fs type to use tools to interact with and manipulate that fs type? say create and whatnot
01:43<gat>offhand i would guess kernel support would only be required for mounting an fs
01:43<jm_>it isn't, but there were many bugs related to ext4 in older kernels so that's why you want something newer first
01:44<ras>i would guess no, gat from 'dd' being a program
01:44<ras>parsing is the only reason kernel support would be ideal [for the file system mounts]
01:45<gat>yeah i'm not sure. some crazy fs might have a tool or a part of a require something in the kernel, but it seems like a better design to not. one way to find out is to test.
01:46<gat>sda: install the ext4 tools and try to make a test fs in a file or something
01:46<ml|>sda: if you are going to use ext4 don't convert from ext3, make a fresh ext4 fs
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01:47<sda>i have to go! thanks! see you soon!
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01:49<ras>i still would like the mount point the setup disks are seek'ing, but im going to stay here until i confirm this works for you guys ';] thanks for the help
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01:53<gat>ml|: is converting not recommended yet? if so, why?
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01:59<ml|>only new files would be ext4 the rest would still be ext3; but you can convert if you like
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02:00<ras>that google page didnt help
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02:01<ras>still looking for the cdrom, if anyone knows the mount point cd-installs use lmk, it's not /cdrom /mnt or /media
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02:02<jm_>isn't it /cdrom and bind mount on /target/cdrom?
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02:03<ras>im from bsd, i dont know anything about bind /mount or /target
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02:03<ras>ill try thx
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02:03<jm_>mount -o bind /cdrom/ /target/cdrom/
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02:05<valdyn>gat: tools that work online will most probably require kernel drivers
02:06<valdyn>gat: but thats not mkfs
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02:06<gat>valdyn: good observation, agreed
02:07<valdyn>and resize2fs probably has 2 paths, one for online, one offline...
02:07<ras>aye thats pimpin
02:07<ras>it says "save debug logs"
02:07<ras>im going to read through those
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02:09<ras>oh duh lol
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02:09<ras>can i bridge /dev/hdc to /dev/sda1 ?
02:12<hever>How can I flush my DNS cache? (I'm not using nscd)
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02:14<jmarsden>hever: rndc flush # for bind9 set up to allow rndc to control it...
02:14<hever>no ;)
02:14<jmarsden>hever: ipconfig /flushdns # for Windows
02:14<hever>As I see I've to flush the cache of my router...
02:15<valdyn>hever: why would the dns cache be your problem?
02:15<hever>jmarsden, if I have not set up nsdc I'm not caching, yes ?
02:15<jmarsden>hever: There are probably other caching DNS servers out there... what *have* you installed, is the question you are not answering here!
02:16<hever>if there is a default, the default
02:16<valdyn>hever: that means your error is most probably elsewhere
02:16<jmarsden>By definition, if you installed no caching software, then asking "How can I flush my DNS cache?" makes little sense.
02:16<hever>valdyn, an IP for a public domain changed.
02:16<valdyn>hever: so?
02:17<jm_>that's probably propagation time ...
02:17<valdyn>hever: you cannot flush your isps dns cache
02:17<jm_>check the refresh period for the domain
02:17<jmarsden>hever: Wait for the cache TTL to expire on all the DNS servers between you and the authoritative DNS servers for that domain,
02:17<jm_>and expire time etc.
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02:18<valdyn>in my experience the TTL is more an absolute maximum than what you usually get
02:18<hever>jmarsden, I just don't know if a chaching daemon is installed by default, so the question has relevance.
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02:18<valdyn>hever: its not, but even if it was it would be the last place to look for an issue
02:19<hever>I digged the nameservers and the name resolution is correct I just have to flush my routers dns cache
02:19<valdyn>hever: no
02:19<jmarsden>hever: No, you have to wait for the TTL. Or flush the cache of whatever DNS server you are really using, upstream of you, probably at your ISP...
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02:20<valdyn>hever: why do you think "dig" would magically circumvent your routers cache?
02:20<valdyn>hever: uh, or *which* nameservers is "the nameservers"
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02:21<hever>dig doesnt it magically but it does it if I tell dig to do it...
02:21<valdyn>+trace ? that does alot more than just skip the router cache
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02:22<hever>valdyn, @server
02:23<valdyn>hever: *wich* server?
02:23<jmarsden>@authoritative-dns-server, more likely :) Unless the router is running a caching DNS server/proxy, which few routers do, "I just have to flush my routers dns cache" isn't likely to work.
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02:24<jmarsden>Maybe the router is a Debian box running bind9... in which case, we'd be back to rndc flush ... on that machine :)
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02:26<ras>okay SO, im still stuck none of the usb hacks for the cdrom installs work
02:26<ras>maybe i can replace the cdrom driver in the imagerd.gz ?
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02:44<qqz>anybody here?
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02:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:54<jaan>hi all. did anybody downloaded debian update dvd through bittorrent client ? i am unable to download it.
03:55<streuner>just use apt-get upgrade then
03:57<jaan>streuner | i already did it. in case of emergency. yesterday, i removed gnome and unable to update. aptitude update. the security debian was not updating. anyhow i need to install gdm and installed through dvd's and i am unable to update the sources without any hitch
03:58<yumte>give me a correct command for menu to install debian via nfs-server... i have bellowww.....
03:58<yumte>LABEL 20
03:58<yumte> MENU LABEL Debian 5.0.2 (32-bit)
03:58<yumte> KERNEL debian/lenny50/i386/linux
03:58<yumte> APPEND boot=.. netboot=nfs nfsroot= initrd=debian/lenny50/i386/initrd.gz
03:58<yumte> TEXT HELP
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03:59<streuner>jaan: just show us your sources.list in pastebin
03:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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04:01<streuner>!+tell yumte -about paste
04:01<dpkg>told yumte about paste.
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04:02<yumte>i'm so sorry... i don't know about it...
04:03<yumte>isn't it correct...?????
04:03<jaan>streuner |
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04:05<streuner>jaan: please show us when you run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
04:05<jaan>streuner | in a couple of minutes
04:07<jaan>since yesterday night working fine, after the installation of gdm
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04:10<jaan>streuner |
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04:15<streuner>jaan: well, what kind of script is that in line 2?
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04:16<yumte>any can help us to install debian via network and nfs-server
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04:17<jaan>streuner | i don't know. I just typed script source.txt, enter, and your given command
04:17<jaan>streuner | may be some kind of encoding issue.
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04:20<streuner>jaan: hm, try "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"
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04:22<jaan>streuner | my system is already up-to-date. i have subscribed for security mailing list and whenever i recieve mail i immediately update with commands : [1] aptitude update [2] aptitude full-upgrade
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04:23<streuner>jaan: so whats the problem then?
04:24<jaan>streuner | nothing, i just want to know whether anybody is able to download update dvd with a bittorrent client. thanks 4 ur curiousity and quick help.
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04:26<yumte>help us please about install debian from network and nfs-server without internet mirror... local only...
04:27<streuner>!own repo
04:27<dpkg>Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro>
04:28<yumte>i have do that... but still can not accessed...
04:29<streuner>yumte: well, try /msg dpkg ig
04:29<streuner>yumte: Debian makes much more fun with i-net
04:30<yumte>what is i-net...???? i'm so sorry... i don't know yet...
04:30<jaan>b_volber | hello. what is the best editor to edit system related files ?
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04:30<simonrvn>yumte: often a shortened form for internet
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04:32<dpkg>[local] like, is your system local to you? Can you physically touch it from where you're sitting, or maybe by going to another room? As opposed, say, to being 1500km from you, accessible only via air and sea (combined) travel, and installed in a restricted-access facility? This matters if we, say, try to restart your system and it doesn't. See also <rc.local>, <usrlocal>.
04:32<yumte>if i install from internet, it can't run cz very slow net...
04:33<dpkg>somebody said ethernet was a networking technology suitable for Local Area Networks (but not as good as Token Ring :-). what's used to catch an etherbunny, or invented by Robert Metcalfe
04:33<dpkg>[backup] something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1>
04:34<streuner>jaan: please message the bot (/msg dpkg foo)
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04:42<toshi>buenos dias
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04:49<cozminsky>toshi, yo
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05:32<cris>Someone can help me?
05:32<themill>cris: only if you ask a question...
05:33<cris>can i change my nicname just by making a new account?
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05:34<seeS>nicname on irc?
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05:43<wrksx>hi, my root partition is now 6,3G, do you think it's enought ? (I choose the simple debian installation with only two partition)
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05:43<jmm>RedLance: yes it sound like, mine is smaller.
05:44<wrksx>currently it is full !
05:44<mostly_harmless>can anyone help with a Exim+Mailman issue. it seems Mailman was compiled with the wrong default GID. anyone know of this issue?
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05:45<wrksx>because I installed lammp in /opt
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05:45<wrksx>and /opt is in the / partition
05:45<locklace>wrksx: then don't do that
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05:45<wrksx>where do u think I can install database
05:45<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
05:46<wrksx>where do YOU think I can install it ?
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05:46<locklace>/usr/local is a good choice
05:47<locklace>feel free to symlink /opt to /usr/local/opt
05:47<wrksx>isn't it mapped to the root part ?
05:47<locklace>if it is, that's easily changed
05:47<wrksx>please, let me know how
05:47<locklace>!tell wrksx about grounding
05:47<wrksx>grounding ?
05:47<wrksx>I'll goole it
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05:55<wrksx>locklace: can you give me a lead ? were you thinking about resizing one partition then create a new one ?
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05:56<locklace>i have no idea what your disk and partition layout is
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05:57<aMiu>Hello guys, I just installed Debian :D
05:57<wrksx>only 2 partitions: / and /home. I used more last time but I went throught the same problem of / part size, then someone told me to use the simple partition layout from the installer if I was a newbie
05:57<aMiu>I have to say - it's much better than Windows...
05:58<jmm>wrksx: your problem is quite easy to solve,
05:58<wrksx>jmm: happy to hear that
05:58<jmm>just copy your stuff from /opt/ to let's say /home/opt ,
05:58<wrksx>jmm: sure
05:58<jmm>then remove from /opt
05:59<jmm>then symlink it , ln -s /home/opt /opt
05:59<wrksx>jmm: got it
05:59<wrksx>jmm: it's so easy
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06:00<wrksx>jmm: I'm a little narow minded since my long experience of other os
06:00<jmm>now you got the opportunity to open your mind :)
06:01<wrksx>jmm: I'll try it this way thanks for your great help.
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06:14<wrksx>jmm: it worked perfectly ! I was able to restart mysql server without even restarting the session, and my / partition is now only 35% full ! you saved my ass
06:14<wrksx>i wanted you to know
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06:20<jcdubacq>when starting Virtualbox under gnome desktop environment, the QT display of fonts is all squary
06:21<seeS>it probably needs a font package
06:22<jcdubacq>no fonts in the recommends, of course
06:22<jcdubacq>nor in the suggests
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06:23<seeS>is it virtualbox or the qt or gtk gui?
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06:26<seeS>hello alex
06:26<Alex^>got a problem with the debian webinstall
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06:27<Alex^>i downloaded this 190mb cd-rom iso from the debian website
06:27<seeS>webinstall or netinstall?
06:27<Alex^>but when i boot it, it just shows me a black screen with a blinking _
06:27<seeS>ok, so you burn the iso to a CD?
06:28<seeS>then rebooted the computer with the CD installed
06:28<Alex^>i wanted to install it over the internet
06:28<Alex^>i tried this like 3 times
06:28<seeS>and only got a blinking _, that's it?
06:28<jcdubacq>k3b looks better for example
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06:29<jcdubacq>which mirror?
06:29<Alex^>but i its no shell i guess, i cant insert anything here
06:29<seeS>are you sure the image is ok?
06:29<Alex^>ia64 i downloaded
06:29<Alex^>shall i try to reburn it?
06:29<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
06:30<Alex^>xeon :)
06:30<Alex^>thanks a lot
06:30<seeS>was just thinking the same thing
06:30<Alex^>but its a intel processor?
06:30<seeS>ia64 usually means "i got the wrong thing"
06:30<jm_>for servers
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06:31<Alex^>ah kay
06:31<Alex^>and they use the amd tech here?
06:31<Alex^>well thanks a lot, i'll try the amd64 version then :)
06:31<jm_>ahh wait, yes you *want* amd64 if you want to use 64bit release on xeon
06:31<jm_>it's just a name - amd64 is used because AMD was first with 64bit extensions
06:31<dpkg>it has been said that amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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06:32<Alex^>thats a little bit confusing though ^^
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06:32<jm_>which bit is confusing?
06:32<Alex^>that i gotta download amd64 for my intel processor ;-)
06:33<locklace>that message about "consider using" can go at this point, i think
06:33<jm_>and downloading intel64 wouldn't be confusing for people with amd CPU-s?
06:33<Alex^>you are right
06:34<jm_>you should blame intel marketing people because they refuse to acknowledge they're amd compatible in this area
06:35<Alex^>i will from now on :)
06:35<koollman>but you are right, it's confusing. amd folks shouldn't have named the technology created after themselves. fools :)
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06:35<jm_>I think it was proposed to use x86-64 or similar but they intentionally named it amd64 because it involves intel :)
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06:37<Alex^>thank god internet is fast nowadays ^^
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06:38<Alex^>so it doesnt matter to download the wrong 180mb :)
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06:39<Alex^>anohter question
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06:39<Alex^>in the manual i read at some point that debian softraid is better than the "hard-raid" new boards have built in
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06:40<Alex^>my other server doesnt offer this so i use soft raid on it
06:40<jm_>I would certainly recommend software raid
06:40<Alex^>so how do i find out whats better for me?
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06:40<angasule>grrr, for some reason, wicd-cli had been installed, removing wicd-gtk, if I find out why, there will be torches and mobs and all that stuff at someone's door >:|
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06:41<ravenbird>^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it
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06:43<Alex^>do yo mean me?
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06:45<Alex^>ok now it works
06:45<Alex^>i love you guys :)
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06:51<krimchou>hi, is the a doc explaining steps of the starting of debian specially between xinit and graphical sesion
06:52<krimchou>i can startx in root mode, also with a user i create but not with my session where i have juste grey screen and x mouse
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06:53<ledus>i need some help pls
06:54<ledus>i can't install any apps with apt-get
06:54<ledus>the error is
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06:56<ledus>I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte:
06:56<ledus> python2.6: Dipende: python2.6-minimal (= 2.6.4-4) ma non sta per essere installato
06:56<ledus>E: Dipendenze non soddisfatte. Provare "apt-get -f install" senza pacchetti (o specificare una soluzione).
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06:56<locklace>!localized errors
06:56<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
06:56*seeS might be able to guess
06:56<seeS>did you try apt-get -f install ?
06:57<seeS>try apt-get install python2.6 python2.6-minimal
06:57<ledus>it asks me to install some packets
06:57<ledus>but i type yes
06:57<ledus>returns the first error
06:58<ledus>if i*
06:59<seeS>ill need it in english then
06:59<ledus>ok wait 1 sec pls
06:59<seeS>i would expect 2 version strings
06:59<seeS>e.g. 'i need version 2 but can only find version 1"
07:00<ledus>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
07:00<ledus>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
07:00<ledus> python2.6: Depends: python2.6-minimal (= 2.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed
07:00<ledus>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
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07:01<seeS>ok, flood protection
07:01<seeS>you get the exact same problem with "apt-get install python2.6 python2.6-minimal" ?
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07:02<seeS>i got python2.6-minimal 2.6.4-4 installed here so it might be a local problem
07:02<Ornedan>How does one disable the Synaptics Touchpad on a T61? Previously, just removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package worked, but now it's still active. Using testing packages
07:03<ledus>yes the problem is the same
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07:03<Ornedan>And also how does one enable mouse wheel emulation on the trackpoint now? My hal rule no longer works
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07:04<Ornedan>And while at it, how does one get the nvidia driver working on testing now?
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07:04<ledus>before this problem i have done a dist-upgrade
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07:05<Ornedan>(Ya, lots of shit broken when updating this time)
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07:05<jm_>Ornedan: nvidia driver installation is the same
07:06<jm_>Ornedan: doesn't it use udev for input stuff nowadays?
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07:06<jm_>ledus: run LANG=C apt-cache policy python2.6-minimal
07:07<Rhapsody>Is there an external repository where I can get current Firefox and Thunderbird builds for Debian? I've just about had it with Iceweasel and Icedove.
07:07<Ornedan>jm_: 1. Same as in how? 2. I have no idea. Thinkpadwiki gave an udev rule to use, but it still doesn't work
07:07<jm_>Ornedan: same as it used to be
07:07<Ornedan>Used to be like how?
07:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
07:08<jm_>check the wiki page
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07:08<jm_>note - the version of nvidia driver in testing is very old
07:11<Rhapsody>Also, the version of nvidia driver in unstable is quite glitchy.
07:12<ledus>jm_, python2.6 minimal installed
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07:12<ledus>installed: (none
07:12<jm_>ledus: please put the output on some pastebin site
07:14<wrksx>does anyone know why desktop directory starts with a capital letter as in /home/wrksx/Desktop
07:16<ledus>jm_, any idea?
07:17<jm_>ledus: this looks fine, what happens if you do 'aptitude -s install python2.6'?
07:17<jm_>(this is simulation run only)
07:17<ledus>i'll try
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07:20<Myon>wrksx: why not?
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07:20<jm_>ledus: and what would it do if you add say to the aptitude -s ... command?
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07:22<jm_>ledus: you can also use --show-why to find out why something needs to be removed
07:22<wrksx>Myon: it makes it dificult for console begginer to find it !
07:22<wrksx>(like me)
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07:22<zeus>can anyone help me with aptitude please ? I got errors installing spamassassin
07:23<ledus>jm_, the first command
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07:25<jm_>zeus: did you check if README.Debian says anything about "broken amavis user"?
07:25<jm_>ledus: you used the same command
07:26<zeus>jm_ : i can't find it ! :-(
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07:28<zeus>jm_: aptitude -f reinstall ?
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07:30<jm_>zeus: I would remove amavis user and reinstall the package
07:32<zeus>jm_ : deluser amavis ; aptitude install ... fixed the problem !
07:32<zeus>jm_ : thank you !
07:32<jm_>zeus: np
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07:39<Ornedan>How does one disable the Synaptics Touchpad on a T61? Previously, just removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package worked, but now it's still active. Using testing packages
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07:41<Alex^>does the debian installer load mdcfg automatically? cause i can't find it within the optional components
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07:43<jm_>if nothing else works you can run synclient -s TouchpadOff=1
07:46<jm_> also lists something for HAL
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08:41<zeus>how can i tell aptitude to reinstall a package replacing all /etc/ configuration files ?
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08:49<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
08:50<jm_>zeus: similar to this but a different --force- option
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08:50<TCW>jm_, thinking of --force-overwrite?
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08:51<jm_>TCW: no, confnew I guess
08:51<jm_>or maybe confdef
08:51<zeus>jm_ : apt-get and aptitude reports: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
08:52<jm_>zeus: that's confmiss
08:52<TCW>either way, dpkg --force-help :)
08:52<TCW>zeus, didn't we had that yesterday already?
08:54<zeus>TCW: yes, but ... yesterday was a mysql error ... now it's dovecot ... i think jesterday i've wasted my debian with the rm -r way
08:56<TCW>zeus, and you think dpkg / apt* has for every package a different set of options? :)
08:58<zeus>TCW: no i don't think this ... but options used jesterday seems to not work today ! (btw mysql was a broken pkg this is a conf missing problem)
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09:00<TCW>zeus, yesterday one issue was you removed the mysql conf-dir in /etc/... I don't say that was your only fault you did yesterday, but it was among them :)
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09:00<TCW>zeus, if you don't remember, wanna see the logfile of yesterday? :p
09:01<TCW>02:19:20 <zeus_> TCW: no such file ! (btw, i have previously purged the packaged, then rm -r /etc/mysql and then aptitude install mysql-server)
09:02<zeus>TCW: i didn't said this. But mysql reinstalled via purge and then -f reinstall worked :-)
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09:03<TCW>zeus, you refuse to admit that you said what I pasted yesterday?
09:04<TCW>yesterday means 13 hours ago in this case
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09:06<zeus>TCW: exactly ... as told i've manually purged all 'unneeded' files. And obviously i did the same for several packages ... what did i said about piggy work ? :-)
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09:07<TCW>too much trouble bothering...
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09:08<zeus>fixed .
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09:09<zeus>jm_, TCW: purging package first of "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -f install dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d" has fixed it !
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09:10<TCW>zeus, whatever... I lost interest in following
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09:12<zeus>TCW: i 'm sorry for my bothering trouble, but i think i should at least thank you anyway!
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09:31<otakup0pe>hey quick question. why the preference for debian packages to link against gnutls rather than openssl.
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09:31<otakup0pe>just got bit by this bug ( ) when an upstream provider changed "something" on their https box
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09:31<otakup0pe>and now i get to add another package to the packages i maintain internally
09:32<themill>otakup0pe: openssl isn't compatible with the GPL, something that a lot of upstream developers manage to forget. (gnutls is compatible with the gpl)
09:32<otakup0pe>ok cool
09:32<otakup0pe>that's what i feared
09:32<otakup0pe>so should i even bother submitting a patch for an openssl-linked pycurl
09:32<otakup0pe>cause otherwise it's broken and useless in many cases; gpl be damned
09:34<themill>otakup0pe: we can't criticise the software practice of others while breaking copyright law and flouting the GPL ourselves. Many debian packages make it trivial to change between gnutls and openssl though when recompiling the package.
09:34<otakup0pe>yeah i realize that
09:34<otakup0pe>but isn't this why the non-free repo's exist ?
09:36<themill>non-free doesn't get you out of violations of the GPL. It's there for stuff that Debian *can* distribute. GPL things that link against openssl don't fall into that category (they're legal to use etc, just not legal to distribute the compiled binary)
09:37<otakup0pe>i must be missing something then...
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09:38<otakup0pe>why does apache link against openssl
09:39<otakup0pe> is linked to libssl which comes from openssl
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09:42<themill>otakup0pe: apache isn't released under the GPL
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09:49<otakup0pe>it's still distributed by debian ?
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09:50<otakup0pe>also neither is pycurl / curl itself
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09:50<otakup0pe>so what is the problem
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09:50<otakup0pe>i just want to know if i shoudl bother submitting my patch
09:50<themill>I don't understand your question.
09:51<otakup0pe>10:08 < otakup0pe> so should i even bother submitting a patch for an openssl-linked pycurl
09:52<BlackFate>otakup0pe, send a mail to the package maintainer and ask him..
09:53<themill>otakup0pe: #515200 already has such a patch (not in patch format, but essentially it's there)
09:53<otakup0pe>yeah maybe i'll just email the maintainer asking them to actually do that
09:53<otakup0pe>themill: i already made that change and put it in my private repo
09:54<otakup0pe>ok thanks i guess :)
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10:13<locklace>are you italian by any chance
10:13<vernon>LIST [<channels>
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10:14<vernon>LIST <channels>
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10:15<vernon>LIST <channels>
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10:16<locklace>!smack vernon
10:16*dpkg smacks vernon upside the head.
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10:17<vernon>hey im trying to learn
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10:17<locklace>irc commands start with / and <channel> is a placeholder for "the channel you want"
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10:23<vernon>so lets say i wanted to search apps i could type (/list apps) like that
10:24<locklace>not really. irc list isn't that smart. try instead
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10:26<AlexMax>/list really is kind of horrible
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10:28<AlexMax>It has been yonks since I've ran testing/unstable. How often does sid break these days?
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10:28<AlexMax>for reference, this is for a non-critical vm
10:28<AlexMax>but I'm still curious
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10:38<vernon_>really im a total noob im trying to search for some flashing programs u know for bios where can i look
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10:41<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
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10:42<noflash>vernon_, tried google?
10:44<vernon_>yes i am trying to modify a modem
10:44<zeroXten>hmm, are there any docs by the debian peeps for recommended ways of managing repositories (ie for custom internal software)?
10:45<jthomas_sb>With smbclient, how can I recursively delete a directory? Currently I get: 'NT_STATUS_DIRECTORY_NOT_EMPTY' with rmdir; it doesn't seem to allow flags like -rf
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10:47<TCW>jthomas_sb, I consider being smbclient rather a tool for debugging and testing samba and not for actual work. Why not mount the share?
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10:48<jthomas_sb>because it doesn't want to mount with the way Vista is set up
10:48<TCW>jthomas_sb, and that means what exactly?
10:49<TCW>Richt now I can't think of any issue where smbclient would work but mount won't
10:51<jthomas_sb>TCW after a long while, I came up with this which seems to be about the same as the issue I am having on my Sid box:
10:52<jthomas_sb>smbmount \\\\\\Users smbmount -Uadministrator \\ Password: \\ mount error(13): Permission denied: \\ Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs)
10:53<TCW>jthomas_sb, don force debian addicts to read stuff on an ubuntu forum! :p
10:53<jthomas_sb>KDE's KIO of smb://administroator@ works fine to browse but it not letting me delete a full dir due to 'File Users/zzz/yyyy/xxxxx does not exist'
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10:54<jthomas_sb>I can also browse with smbclient, but cannot seem to remove dirs that way either unless they're empty
10:54<TCW>jthomas_sb, try: mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o username=user
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10:55<jthomas_sb>that did work, thanks!
10:55<nothingmore>shouldn't it be "mount -t cifs ..." unless it's an older version of debian (3 or older_
10:55<TCW>if you mount as root but want to be able to delete as user you may need to add some other options, but we'll figure that out too
10:56<TCW>nothingmore, basically... yes and no :)
10:56<jthomas_sb>i can just su to root, thanks
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10:56<TCW>jthomas_sb, you may be able to, but it is not a good setup :)
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10:58<jthomas_sb>still i get Permission Denied with a large number of the files, even if I try to chown them
10:59<TCW>jthomas_sb, do you have the proper righst to chown? And bear in mind that unix rights and the windows ACLs are a different thing
11:00<jthomas_sb>yeah, i know, Windows perms are such a headache... I am logged in as -o username=Administrator and i've su - to root on my own box... well, if I can remove 90% thats a good start I suppose.
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11:02<TCW>jthomas_sb, you can try -t cifs, iirc it has better handling of the ACL thing, but I am not sure. Maybe you need posix acl support too...
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11:02<jthomas_sb>ok thanks, next time I'll try that. did what I needed to at this time, thanks again.
11:03<TCW>But I never play the samba thing this way, I do it always the other way around, e.g. a samba server and not a windows "server" :)
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11:10<maxb>I vaguely remember something about upgrades from lenny direct to squeeze+1 potentially being planned to be supported, but I can't find any info on that now - does anyone have any pointers>
11:10<maxb>* ?
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11:16<themill>maxb: "skip-upgrading" was discussed at the last debconf when there was discussion of freezing squeeze last December. Since squeeze is now likely to be frozen in March with a release mid year, the motivations for allowing skip-upgrading have disappeared and it would be an insanely large amount of work to implement it
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11:19<maxb>themill: Thanks - I was just looking for some definite info either way
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11:31<sdk>Anyone know how to set thunar to open in the same window, rather than opening in separate windows for each directory?
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11:32<sdk>Google's being no help, btw.
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11:33<Ancient>Hi I have a strange problem with my debian when i bring up my network interfaces it seems as if anyhthing i put in /etc/network/interfaces is ignored. It does however read the file because if i deliberatly put broken stuff in there it complains
11:35<Jflesch>sdk: Edit -> preferences -> Display -> View new folders using: Last Active view
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11:36<sdk>Jflesch: yeah, that's what I found in Google, but whereinheck is the 'Edit' selection? I'm running E17, not Gnome. :-/
11:36<sdk>Jflesch: sorry, didnt' mean to sound rude, I apologize.
11:36<Jflesch>sdk: it's the menu 'edit'
11:37<Jflesch>(btw, thunar is related to xfce, not gnome)
11:38<Ancient>This is what happens:
11:39<Jflesch>Ancient: I think you should add "auto eth1" to your /etc/network/interfaces
11:39<Jflesch>otherwise changes will only be effective when you use "ifup eth1"
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11:40<Ancient>JFlesch: thanks that did the trick, I spent hours trying to work it out - i feel silly now :D
11:41<sdk>For future reference, in E17, to set directories to open in the same window do the following: Settings-> settings panel-> Files -> File Manager -> Behavior -> selecte 'Open Dirs In Place'
11:41<sdk>Ancient: don't. it's all part of learning.
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11:41<Jflesch>sdk: are you sure you were using thunar? oO
11:42<Jflesch>it may sound like a stupid question, but I just want to make sure, because your solution sounds weird to me)
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11:43<sdk>Jflesch: I believe I am confused. I was running Elive for some time and ELive uses Thunar. I'm now running E17 in Deb, so I was *assuming* the Filemanager was the same. Not a stupid question at all, I'm the stupid one for assuming. After all of these years, I ought to know better.
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11:44<Jflesch>oh, ok then :)
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11:52<gernot>Without going into to much detail, is it possible for a mailserver (for inner-office communication) to reject unsigned mails?
11:53<petemc>depends on the mail server
11:54<petemc>exim could be made to do it
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11:54<gernot>Great, I'll look into exim then. Thank you.
11:56<AlexMax>Where is upgrade-from-grub-legacy? I can't seem to find it
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11:56<AlexMax>it's not in any of the paths that bash can find
11:57<themill>AlexMax: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file
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12:02<AlexMax>ugh i keep forgetting about anything not named 'aptitude'. Thanks
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12:05<EagleRock>AlexMax: locate is another good command to find files on the machien
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12:07<themill>AlexMax: if you think it's installed, the "dpkg -S" or "dlocate" can help too. Or if you know what package it was in, "dpkg -L".
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12:09<AlexMax>Turns out that I had to restart in order for it to show up...
12:10<themill>unlikely... "hash -r" in your shell would have been enough
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12:14<AlexMax>themill: Well, the first time I rebooted after full-upgrading for some reason the old grub configuration was still in use. It was only after I restarted again did I get the special chainloading message and the boot option to boot into grub 2
12:14<AlexMax>after i booted using grub 2 the command was right there...
12:14<AlexMax>thanks for telling me about that too though
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12:49<dbalak>any1 here from montreal?
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13:01<mettao87>Hi guys. I have a problem with the firewire port of my notebook asus A6Va. I'm trying to set up a firewire recording device with ffado. When I run a streaming-test the answer is a bit strange. (from line 118) There is a problem with raw1394, but I don't know which problem. Can you help me?
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13:15<prahal>mettao87, fado_streaming_init: There are no devices on the bus
13:15<prahal>have you tried dvgrab ?
13:16<mettao87>what is dvgrab?
13:16<prahal>it worked last checked . Cannot tell about ffado
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13:18<prahal>it grab :dvgrab — Capture DV or MPEG-2 Transport Stream (HDV) video and audio data from FireWire
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13:19<prahal>ie there were changed quite some time ago to firewire interface . I believe dvgrab is ok with those . Cannot tell if ffado is up to the changes
13:20<mettao87>I haven't to capture from a camera. I want to set up my alesis multimix firewire device, a device for recording audio.
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13:21<mettao87>I'd like to know if the problem is ffado, or a firewire problem at the "kernel" level
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13:23<Yionel>Hi everybody. I have a problem on my server. There is disk activity during 10 mns and the it loaded my computer. I don't know how I can investigate to know the problem
13:24<the-dude>Yionel: did you check for cronjobs?
13:26<Yionel>I will verify ! :)
13:27<Yionel>the-dude, no crontab :/
13:28<retrospectacus>you will have to do a "htop" or st while it is happening
13:29<EagleRock>Yionel: you can also check /var/spool/cron/crontabs to make sure there's no other cron jobs associated with other users
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13:32<Yionel>EagleRock, I'm sure there are no others cronjobs
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13:32<Yionel>retrospectacus, htop si just during the load, but the load is terminated
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14:06<AlexMax>Is there a backport for a newer kernel version than 2.6.26 to lenny? Or must I build my own?
14:06<AlexMax>I want OpenGL in Virtualbox, which is only supported on kernels >= 2.6.27
14:08<AlexMax>Testing isn't an option because something else in testing breaks seamless mouse
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14:13<bittin>somone want a Pentium 2 computer?
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15:02<maxjezy>where can i find usb_modeswitch-1.0.7
15:02<maxjezy>deb pack
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15:11<AlexMax>Is there a replacement for
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15:12<AlexMax>The wiki page says to get it out of experimental, but I'd like a little reassurance that kernel packages in experimental won't break horribly in lenny
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15:13<themill>,kernels --release lenny-backports
15:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2)
15:14<themill>AlexMax: ^^ that's your best bet for kernels that are known not to break horribly with lenny.
15:14<AlexMax>the hell?
15:14<AlexMax>why didn't I think to look there
15:14*AlexMax picardpalms
15:14<AlexMax>themill: thank you
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15:19<themill>hehe, no worries
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15:50<dpkg><rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol
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16:19<lwithers>hi, when running pdflatex on a .tex file, I get the following message: "!pdfTeX error: pdflatex (file fxbb-8r): Font fxbb-8r at 1493 not found" -- any idea how I can solve that?
16:21<themill>lwithers: I think texlive-fonts-extra contains that font.
16:21<themill>(perhaps only the squeeze version of texlive though, not lenny's)
16:22<lwithers>that's installed (and I'm running squeeze); sample of output is
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16:23<lwithers>funny thing is, it works if I run it as root...
16:23<themill>lwithers: what does missfont.log say?
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16:23<lwithers>mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 600 --mag 2+293/600 --dpi 1493 fxbb-8r
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16:24<fossiiil>i installed Lenny -- everything old as the universe :-/
16:24<themill>fossiiil: well tested, is the word you're looking for.
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16:25<lwithers>ah, the running as root thing got me thinking, and I removed my .texmf-config and .texmf-var directories -- now it works
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16:25<themill>lwithers: I was about to ask if the permissions in there were screwy
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16:25<lwithers>yeah, they may well be
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16:29<Another_Rocciamax>ok, hereiam :P
16:29<Another_Rocciamax>how do i post this thing? CutPaste?
16:29<themill>Another_Rocciamax: you wanted #debian on
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16:44<kapal>I am having trouble with raid 1 array at boot time on debian testing/unstable. Initrd shell comes up, when I set up the raid myself, boots ok. How to make it automatic/pernament? It worked till the last dist-upgrade. Google left me clueless (wrong keywords?), can anyone give me a hint what could be wrong?
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16:48<fossiiil>Hey dude, what do you have in your hands? It's a rock! Nice, can it cut? No, but it's *stable* !
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16:50<xente>what's the difference between this room and the one at
16:51<fossiiil>this is more ubuntish i suppose...
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16:51<alexb_>kapal: How is the drive listed in your /etc/fstab? It's possible you might need to have it mounted by UUID.
16:52<kapal>alexb_: its sth like /dev/mdXX
16:52<kapal>maybe thats the problem
16:52<alexb_>What do you have to do to set it up once you're at the initrd shell?
16:52<kapal>how come it worked earlier on, sth must have changed... I will look again, thanks for the tip
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16:53<xente>so, what's the difference between this channel and the one at
16:53<alexb_>Well, I've had RAID setups like that before where the drive comes up as a different device on each boot, and you just get lucky.
16:53<kapal>once at the initrd shell I do following > modprobe raid1 > mdadm --assemble /dev/mdXX /dev/sdaXX /dev/sdbXX > exit
16:54<themill>xente: they're just two different irc channels. Same bots, many of the same helpers, same spammers, same repetitive arguments, ...
16:54<kapal>I guess modprobe is unneeded, as I see module loading earlier on
16:54<xente>themill: great...thanks
16:55<kapal>alexb_: anyways thanks alot for the tip, I will try it...
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16:56<alexb_>Sure, but I doubt that's your problem if you have to assemble the RAID like that
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16:57<kapal>alexb_: but it says sth that /dev/mdXX does not exists indeed, so it could help
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17:13<sdk>So, for overall utiltiy for sysadm AND building web interfaces, should I look at Perl, Python or something altogether different?
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17:13<sdk>I only have time to work with one language, hence the decision.
17:13<sdk>work == learn
17:14<locklace>sdk: python is slightly less bad
17:15<tlyu>sdk: python for new stuff, perl for older stuff?
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17:15<alexb_>sdk: That's a loaded question. I like perl, personally. Really, you're going to have to spend some time with each to figure out what suits your needs best.
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17:16<sdk>locklace: I was hoping you'd be on.. do you have a different suggestion?
17:16<locklace>for those tasks, which are really just glue, it's a decent enough choice; its popularity will help you, but its structure won't damage your brain the way perl's would, which can be useful in case you wish to use it (your brain) in the future
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17:17<Meths>Is there any software already available to do the stuff you want to do/are thinking of doing? See what's out there, pick the language with the most stuff already there and learn that language to both fill in the gaps and customise what you install.
17:17<slush>lol, nice told locklace
17:17<locklace>a good way to view perl is the bastard child of sh, awk and sed on acid and packing six leathermans and a chainsaw
17:18<locklace>it's useful from time to time provided you keep the proper perspective
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17:18<sdk>Meths: I'm tryign to set up a GNU/Linux virtual server host running Windows 2008 guests for colleagues that haven't the foggiest about Linux, so I have to build a bunch of tools for them to do various stuff so I can go on vacation.
17:18<Pryon>get new colleagues? (/me ducks)
17:18<sdk>locklace: LOL, I was always told to use perl -wall and strict
17:19<Meths>Which year are you planning on taking the vacation? ;P
17:19<sdk>Meths: 6 months
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17:20<locklace>that's like putting covering a 50-year-old corroded, leaking atomic bomb in saran wrap in hopes it will prevent unsightly leakage
17:20<sdk>Pryon: I worked for a year to get GNU/Linux in here. They'll learn, just take some time.
17:20<stevefed5291>hey guys I'm having a bit of a problem with my debian install. I just installed the amd64 version of lenny, and it seems to go off without a hitch, however when I boot into debian (and it does boot into it, so not a grub error) the boot sequence hangs on something about '/dev', any ideas? It won't even boot to the desktop.
17:21<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
17:21<stevefed5291>yeah, sry I should be more specific. I'm firing up the box now
17:23<slush>sdk: my choice would be python, I guess .. but learning a language and making such tools in 6 months, which should be reliable for people who doesn't know a bit about is a big challange if you ask me
17:24<slush>s/about is/about it, is/
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17:35<sdk>slush: (sorry for the delay in responding) I agree, there is no way I'll have everything in place in 6 months. It is highly unlikely things will completely crash and burn in 6 months and even these guys are capable of rebooting a server ( I havwe shell scripts to restart the virtual servers etc on boot) This will be an ongoing process, I just want to crunch to get as much done as possible between now and end of summer.
17:36<sdk>Err.. crash and burn while I'm on vacation...
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17:40<slush>sdk: ok, so you know there are no fairytales ;) what are you experienced in?
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17:43<sdk>slush: a smattering of C. neophyte in BASH (real basic stuff), and I've done some Perl several years ago, but I barely rememebr any of that. I generally see Perl as an admin language that can be shoehorned into web development, and Python as vice versa.
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17:44<sdk>I've had a rather lengthy haitus (family matters) from IT and am just coming back to it, well, 6 months ago.
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17:47<sdk>HRm. Have to go, need to catch 6PM train. Peace all, and thanks for the advice! Peace.
17:48<slush>cya sdk
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17:55<stevefed5291>ok, I just did a clean install (amd64), and the install seems to go well. Then I reboot and from grub boot into debian, where it hangs at "waiting for /dev to be populated" for a while before telling me that "soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 61s! [kmemstick:1667]". It hangs there for a while as well before spewing out a number of modprobe errors, and that's where it's stuck right now. Any...
17:55<stevefed5291>...ideas? I can't even get to the desktop.
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17:56<stevefed5291>when I first boot I get soft reset failed (device not ready) errors for ata1 and 4, but this has happened with every linux os I've ever used on this particular computer so I'm not sure if it's related. This is the third time I've reinstalled with the same issue.
17:57<locklace>stevefed5291: my next step would be to boot with a rescue cd and upgrade the kernel
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17:58<kop>locklace: I was about to say the same thing.
17:59<locklace>stevefed5291: the file you want is
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18:00<kop>stevefed5291: Or just setup /etc/apt/sources.list to get packages from and use aptitude or whatever to install.
18:00<stevefed5291>ok, ill try that. thanks guys
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18:14<stevefed5291>didn't work. After meticulously checking for typos after adding that repo to my sources list, the package can't be found
18:15<themill>stevefed5291: did you "aptitude update"?
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18:17<locklace>stevefed5291: no point messing around with apt, you can just download that file and install it with dpkg -i
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18:18<stevefed5291>oh, i didn't think of that
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18:20<themill>stevefed5291: umm... you really do want it sorted through apt in the long run as if you don't, you'll never get any security updates to the kernel and that's sort of important.
18:21<stevefed5291>yeah I definitely will provided I can get the system to even boot first. Kind of a prerequisite :)
18:21<themill>of course
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18:28<stevefed5291>sigh. I am having nothing but problems today. wget gave me a 404 on the package, which I know isn't true because I just downloaded it on the computer im on now. So I threw the .deb on a usb drive which the debian box is now telling me I can't mount
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18:37<stevefed5291>wow. This entire time i didn't realize this was an i386 deb despite typing out the url 3 times... I feel ashamed of myself.
18:37<stevefed5291>time to find the amd64 version
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18:41<stevefed5291>ah, thank you locklace
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18:53<stevefed5291>yup it worked. Just rebooted and am now writing this from the desktop. Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.
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19:05<locklace>!congratulate stevefed5291
19:05<dpkg>Good show stevefed5291, you did it!
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19:26<stevefed5291>though honestly it was you guys help that's responsible for this computer being useable right now
19:26<stevefed5291>so thanks again :)
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19:38<Oicreal>please, i have a problem in vqadmin, not add domain.... say "Permission denied"
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19:44<bremner>running auctex/11.85-1 and auctex brings up the phony file "TeX Live 2009/Debian" instead of the tex file on errors. This looks similar to #558101, but not exactly the same. Is this specific to my installation?
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19:46<stevefed5291>Now I'm having a problem with the network-manager. It's not there, and when I try to apt-get it I get a bunch of dependency issues. Anyone experience this before?
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19:47<BlackFate>stevefed5291, try apt-get install -f
19:48<stevefed5291>I did, didn't help
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19:50<stevefed5291>this is what I'm looking at:
19:52<BlackFate>you messed up your repos?
19:53<stevefed5291>I don't believe so
19:53<edhunter>stevefed5291: what are you using? lenny /testing?
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19:54<stevefed5291>here's my sources.list:
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19:56<retrospectacus>you should add a standard online instead of the CDROM, to get updated packages
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19:57<retrospectacus>E.g.: deb lenny main
20:03<stevefed5291>that appears to have fixed it, I was able to install via apt, thanks! Now I just need to figure out how to get to it, it didn't magically appear in the panel liked I hoped it would
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20:09<sombrero>i just installed debian with netinstall cd but without internet connexion
20:09<sombrero>now i want to install some stuffs through internet
20:09<sombrero>i have an ethernet card
20:09<sombrero>how can i now if it works?
20:10<petemc>try to install something
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20:10<sombrero>well i'v tried with apt-get
20:10<stevefed5291>connect it up and try to visit a website
20:11<sombrero>and i'v removed # in source list
20:11<sombrero>the computer is just in basic mode with no graphical programms
20:11<sombrero>i've tried dhclient
20:11<sombrero>but i can't understan results which are
20:12<petemc>did you get an ip address? you can check with ifconfig
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20:12<sombrero>DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.. on port 67 interval 14
20:13<sombrero>does interval 14 means that there is a connection
20:13<petemc>you can look in dmesg to see if the link is up
20:13<prahal>DHCPACK does
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20:14<prahal>interval is the time before next attempt
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20:16<sombrero>what should i find witj dmesg?
20:17<petemc>dmesg | grep eth
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20:17<petemc>should say Link is up..
20:18<sombrero>it says eth0 : setting half duplex
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20:18<petemc>thats not 'Link is up..'
20:19<sombrero>its the result of dmesg | grep eth
20:19<petemc>then it appears you have a problem negotiating a link
20:20<petemc>does dmesg | grep -i link return anything?
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20:23<sombrero>many line about
20:23<sombrero>ACPI : PCI interrupt link
20:23<sombrero>and one
20:23<sombrero>audit : initialing netlink socket (disabled)
20:24<petemc>is the cable you're using known to work? what are you plugging it in to?
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20:26<sombrero>yes the cable works but the light of the switch correspondng is not on
20:26<sombrero>might it be that the card is not recognised?
20:26<sombrero>also haven't got lspci command ; normal?
20:29<petemc>i thought it was included in the base
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20:29<petemc>dpkg -l pciutils
20:29<dpkg>No packages found matching pciutils
20:30<sombrero>well now it's saying setting full-duplex and the light of the switch is on
20:30<sombrero>but still an apt-get gives nothing
20:31<petemc>what did you do?
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20:32<sombrero>unpluged evrything and replugged
20:32<petemc>do you have an ip address?
20:33<sombrero>dhclient gives an ip adress but with
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20:33<sombrero>chown failed to to get attributes of /etc/resolv.config
20:33<sombrero>no such file
20:33<sombrero>and the same with chmod
20:35<sombrero>well i think it's ok, i tried apt-get update and it's performing
20:35<sombrero>thanks a lot for your help
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20:37<cesurasean>Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Temporary module name should contain only filename in /home/simplewebhosting/public_html/billing/ioncube/ioncube-loader-helper.php on line 411
20:37<cesurasean>can anyone help me to get ioncube loaded on squeeze?
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20:39<petemc>cesurasean: did you try googling for that error?
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20:40<cesurasean>im reading about it now, seems to be a version conflict with php
20:41<cesurasean>having problems loading dll. havent found a solution yet though.
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20:43<cesurasean>petemc, when i run, the apache server just crashes, no output.
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20:43<cesurasean> seems to resolve that issue, but these files are requiring
20:44<cesurasean>is the php im trying to run too old?
20:46<petemc>i know nothing of ioncube
20:47<petemc>i do know i found it pretty annoying when i was asked to look after sites that use encoded php
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21:00<randal>I need some help. My problem is my windows dont have any decoration when they are maximized but when there un maximized the winodws decoration are there this happand after i installed a fresh 9.10 remix ubuntu and then deleted the remix files because i didnt like it plz help
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21:04<cesurasean>problem fixed.
21:04<cesurasean>now, i have problems acessing SSL. - (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
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21:14<samtry>ok i installed grub2 using synaptic package manager. Now, every time i rebooted my system, debain bypassed the menu options. does anybody know the solution this problem? thanks
21:15<somatiq>emm... does anybody have an c-media electronics cmi9761a+ sound chip?
21:15<edhunter>samtry: so it doesnt show grub you mean?
21:16<somatiq>i can't make it to work with ALSA
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21:16<samtry>yes, you mean grub loader?
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21:17<edhunter>samtry: i mean it doesnt show a grub menu where you can choose kernel
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21:17<bremner>!tell randal -about ubuntu
21:17<samtry>you options to choose Winxp or Linux?
21:17<samtry>if so no.
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21:18<edhunter>samtry: didnt really get the problem yet but is it possible that you have kexec ?
21:19<samtry>sorry i don't even what kexec is and how do i find that out?
21:20<edhunter>samtry: apt-cache policy kexec-tools should show you that
21:21<samtry>ok i will check that out.
21:23<samtry>i just ran this command and it said installed:(none)
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21:26<TCW>somatiq, maybe the firmware is missing?
21:27<edhunter>samtry: check the GRUB_TIMEOUT variable in your /etc/default/grub
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21:28<somatiq>how can i see it?
21:28<samtry>ok i will
21:28<TCW>somatiq, no idea if your chip actually needs firmware... but what is your problem btw?
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21:29<TCW>somatiq, "does not work" is the worst description one can make :)
21:29<somatiq>no sound
21:29<samtry>edhunter - grub_timeout=5
21:29<somatiq>it's detected by alsa but thre's no output
21:30<somatiq>all mixer levels are 100%
21:30<cesurasean>somatiq, are your speakers turned on?
21:30<edhunter>samtry: then no clue why you do not see the grub OS selection screen when you reboot..
21:30<cesurasean>plugged in correctly?
21:30<somatiq>emmm... headphones plugged in right now
21:31<somatiq>into the green hole (damn, i don't know the word... my English not so good)
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21:32<samtry>i am not sure either. if i send you my grub file to you, do you think you can figure it out?
21:32<TCW>somatiq, green == mostly speakers out
21:32<cesurasean>somatiq, you might want to join a different debian channel if you are having trouble reading english.
21:32<TCW>or "line out"
21:32<somatiq>there's some bugreports about this... from 2005)
21:33<somatiq>Russian users are mostly sleeping now)
21:33<TCW>somatiq, this is the only soundvcard in this machine
21:33<somatiq>yes, built in
21:33<samtry>edhunter- there is a line above "GRUB_TIMEOUT= 5" that said "GRUB_DEFAULT=0" does this caused the problem?
21:34<TCW>somatiq, cat /proc/asound/cards paste it
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21:34<somatiq>i've tried it with mpd+sonata, vlc and mplayer
21:34<TCW>somatiq, to a paste service, not here :)
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21:36<samtry>Guest819 - there is a line above "GRUB_TIMEOUT= 5" that said "GRUB_DEFAULT=0" does this caused the problem?
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21:37<TCW>samtry, no, grub starts counting from 0, thats all
21:37<somatiq>it's not a good day... i've killed my openbox twice already)
21:38<TCW>somatiq, cat /proc/interrupts
21:38<samtry>tcw- so what do you think caused the problem?
21:38<TCW>samtry, what problem?
21:39<samtry>i installed grub2 using synaptic package manager. Now, every time i rebooted my system, debain bypassed the menu options.
21:39<TCW>samtry, you mean skip? It does not show a menu?
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21:40<TCW>samtry, dpkg -l|grep grub paste
21:40<samtry>ok i will try it now
21:41<TCW>somatiq, what mixer did you use?
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21:42<somatiq>or did you mean something else?
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21:42<TCW>somatiq, no, alsamixer is ok
21:43<somatiq>all bars are 100% but db gain is 0
21:43<samtry>tcw - what is the letter after -l?grep?
21:43<TCW>somatiq, but no errors? mplayer soundfile.mp3 and paste EVERYTHING (the complete mplayer output)
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21:43<samtry>i could not copy and pate it to the terminal command
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21:44<TCW>samtry, it is a pipe symbol, looks like a line from top to bottom with a little free space in between
21:45<TCW>here it is located at the <> key (german laptop layout)
21:45<sney>on most US keyboards it's on the same key as backslash
21:45<TCW>sney, what modifier?
21:46<samtry>ok let me try it
21:46<samtry>thanks sney
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21:46<sney>TCW: shift
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21:48<samtry>ok when i ran it, it said "No such file or directory"
21:48<jaan>good morning. i have installed packages from stable and backports. how do i view the list of packages installed from stable branch ?
21:48<TCW>samtry, paste it nevertheless, you did do something wrong, we need the paste to see what you did wrong
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21:49<samtry>ok wait
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21:49<TCW>somatiq, hmmm... let me test something here
21:49<samtry>ok it silly of me i included the word paste in the command
21:50<TCW>samtry, yes, silly you :p
21:50<samtry>ok, what do we expect to see or do next step after i ran the command
21:51<TCW>samtry, one after the other, the next step depends on what we see in the paste
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21:52<opticon>i installed clamav and updated it the other day theirs something else that i read that should be configured with it so av scans will work anyone kno what that is?
21:52<samtry>how can i show you the paste?
21:53<samtry>how can i show you the paste??
21:53<TCW>samtry, or check the topic
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21:55<TCW>jaan, apt-show-versions
21:56<samtry>ok that will take sometimes. why is this so hard compared to the old DOS.
21:57<samtry>TCW - can i just type them here so show you?
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21:57<TCW>samtry, huh?! copy and paste is a matter of seconds! And DOS is crap compared to the allmighty unix shell!
21:58<TCW>samtry, or do you not know how to copy and paste?
21:58<samtry>i can't copy from terminal to xchat here for some reasons.
21:58<samtry>let me try again
21:59<jaan>TCW | it showing files of lenny up-to-date and "newer than version in archive". how do i view the branch of the installed package ?
21:59<TCW>samtry, DON'T copy it here!! And you can, you just don't know how!
21:59<samtry>i guess not
21:59<TCW>jaan, grep it
21:59<samtry>how do i do that?
22:00<TCW>samtry, first day on linux?
22:01<TCW>samtry, with your mouse, mark what you want to copy (left mouse button and drag a square), go to the paste window in your browser, hit the middle mouse button (or wheel) in the paste field
22:01<samtry>yes i like linux it took so little space and fast compare to DOS
22:02<samtry>ok let me try that
22:02<TCW>somatiq, so my test did not work as expected :) no idea about your sound issue apart from double check your mixer levels and make sure the speakers / headset are properly connected and not broken
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22:03<TCW>samtry, so basicaly copy and paste on linux is just mark and paste, while on windows it is mark, copy, paste
22:04<hypyrbole>anyone use the schedule function in rtorrent?
22:04<samtry>TCW - i don't have the middle mouse button. using laptop
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22:05<TCW>samtry, press the two buttons simultanously
22:05<TCW>that emulates the third button
22:06<TCW>samtry, and please, hurry up... it can't be that you need several minutes to realise that you do not have a third mouse button!
22:07<jaan>TCW | i am removing packages from sid branch. how do i fix broken packages ?
22:07<samtry>ok and i am not sure what you mean by browser?
22:08<TCW>jaan, huh? what do you mean with "broken"?
22:08<TCW>samtry, oh hell! Internet Explorer, firefox, opera, konqueror, epiphany, safari, whatever!
22:08<TCW>samtry, the thing you use to "surf the web"
22:09<simonft>samtry: paste it into
22:09<jaan>TCW | i am removing libc6. it has shown several packages as broken. and aptitude has offered to downgrade libc6 package to stable version.
22:09<TCW>samtry, the thing you use to access stuff that looks like as I told you already!
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22:10<TCW>jaan, so the dependencies are broken and not some packages!
22:10<TCW>jaan, anyhow, if aptitue offers you to downgrade, what is your problem then? I thought that is exactly what you want?
22:10<TCW>aptitude even
22:11<samtry>i know that but the past field not available Icwseasel browser
22:11<samtry>ok i am trying
22:11<jaan>TCW | yes, in case if it pops up any error ?
22:11<TCW>jaan, what case?
22:11<TCW>jaan, what error?
22:12<simonft>samtry: what do you mean the past feild is not available?
22:12<jaan>TCW | i will let you know if any error pops up. it is still installing.
22:12<samtry>in the Edit menu
22:13<samtry>anyway i am not to femiliair with the term you used
22:13<simonft>samtry: press the two mouse buttons at the same time.
22:13<TCW>jaan, and just a side note, I am not the only one here, so don't tell me, tell the channel ;)
22:13<simonft>when your mouse is over the text box.
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22:14<TCW>samtry, first day on a computer in general? Never used a web browser before?
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22:14<simonft>TCW: I think that the copy/paste with the middle button is throwing him off.
22:15<samtry>i do but in windows just copy and past without having to pressed too many buttons
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22:15<simonft>samtry: are you using the default gnome terminal?
22:16<samtry>i think so
22:16<samtry>it just said terminal
22:16<samtry>i accessory
22:16<simonft>try ctrl + shift + c to copy, then paste it into iceweseal with ctrl + v
22:17<TCW>simonft, oh hell... if a user is confused by "please press both buttons of your fine touchpad at the same time" I don't know what to say...
22:17<jaan>can somebody please look into this, there is an issue with aptitude full-upgrade.
22:17<samtry>ok where do i place the cursor at before i do ctrl + v?
22:18<simonft>click in the text box at
22:18<TCW>jaan, congratulations, you did break your system
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22:20<jaan>how do i fix it now ? I have installed flash player, from backports.
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22:20<TCW>jaan, first, a downgrade is not supported. It may work nevertheless (done it several times) but it is a pain in the ass... you did mix stable and sid?
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22:20<jaan>yes, in the past. i am trying to remove every trace of sid.
22:21<jaan>just now i have removed clamav.
22:21<TCW>jaan, and packages from bpo (I hope you mean that with "backports"? As bpo == is an official debian server)
22:21<TCW>don't break the system in the way your system is broken
22:21<simonft>samtry: any luck?
22:22<sdk>simonft: apparently not yet.. last paste was 17 minutes ago.
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22:23<TCW>jaan, so basically... the answer to "how to recover" in your case... on foot, try fix all errors (like the missing ldconfig, what is bad bad bad) and then downgrade one after the other package if necessary
22:24<samtry>ok man i just did it so can anybody check that out and tell what wrong?
22:24<TCW>jaan, apt-get isnatll package=versionnumber may help
22:24<TCW>samtry, in general you are supposed to give us an url
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22:25<sdk>Sorry, I happened to be there, so figured I'd paste it for him.
22:25<TCW>sdk ;)
22:26<somatiq>TCW, there's sound on Ubuntu 9.10, but no on Lenny 5.0.2
22:26<samtry>ok sorry
22:27<TCW>samtry, there is nothing wrong... but it did just take over half an hour to get the info what grub version you have installed and which one is active... so NOW we know it is grub2 and we need /boot/grub/grub.conf and /etc/default/grub, paste both
22:27<samtry>ok wait and i will try that
22:28<TCW>somatiq, that is weird
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22:28<TCW>somatiq, did you check the logs (dmesg / bootlog / messages) for any errors concerning the soundcard?
22:28<sdk>TCW: afaik, isn't Ubu9 using a different sound server?
22:29<sdk>daemon, whatever?
22:29<TCW>sdk I have _no_ idea, debian lenny default should be plain stupid alsa, no aditional sound server.
22:29<somatiq>TCW, where i can find them?
22:29<TCW>somatiq, so... second day on linux? :p
22:29<sdk>TCW: precisely, and I think Ubu is using something else.
22:30<sdk>TCW: you know mwilson?
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22:30<TCW>somatiq, in general /var/log/... but "dmesg" is a command
22:30<opticon>i use debian as server manage everything like apache bind9 squid and proftp over ssh would it be good idea to remove gnome desktop manager from the machine?
22:30<TCW>sdk, heard of him, why?
22:30<somatiq>i know... just wanna sleep
22:30<TCW>opticon, yes
22:31<TCW>somatiq, you know what?
22:31<sdk>TCW: you remind me of him is all.. thought you may be the same person.
22:31<sdk>Umm.. then go to bed?
22:32<opticon>without it would xwindows still work over ssh with xming?
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22:32<TCW>sdk is he the same kind of impatient and rude man as me? :)
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22:32<sdk>Heh, precisely. :-D
22:32<somatiq>i can't) till i can get some sound
22:33<samtry>ok url for grub.conf is
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22:33<somatiq>but you're right, i'm need to sleep
22:33<TCW><somatiq> i know... just wanna sleep <- somatiq, you said "I know" so what did you know there?
22:33<sdk>somatiq: I'd venture to say your problem is not a 5 minute fix, but rather a several hour troubleshooting session, considering how you don't know hwere the logs are. I don't mean ot be terse, however the truth is the truth.
22:34<somatiq>"i know" means that i've remebered about /var/log
22:35<samtry>ok defaul grub is
22:36<somatiq>i'm going to sleep, then i'll be back
22:36<somatiq>brain just doesn't work)
22:37<sdk>somatiq: Kk, night. sorry to rain on your parade, but don't want you to waste your time if your head is not fucntioning well, you know?
22:37<somatiq>so, i'm going to sleep, to get it functionating
22:38<TCW>samtry, basically both files are fine and I see no reason for not showing a menu
22:39<samtry>well, if you don't know, then i think i am out of luck then.
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22:39<samtry>ok let me know if you can think of anything else.
22:39<sdk>TCW: can you give me a brief synopsis of what's happening with samtry?
22:39<TCW>samtry, I am not a god, others may be smarter than me or see the one thing I am missing
22:40<TCW>sdk, sure, grub does not show a menu, but it should as severyl kernels are installed
22:40<simonft>samtry: did you install with wubi?
22:40<TCW>wtf is wubi?! :)
22:41<simonft>oh, wait
22:41<samtry>don't remember any of it
22:41<simonft>wow, nevermind
22:41<opticon>wubi work with just debian now?
22:41<sdk>Sounds like a cutsy name for a poodle. :)
22:41<TCW>is wubi what I think it might be? Windows UBuntu Installer?
22:41<simonft>Lol, I got confused. Wubi is a way to install ubuntu from windows.
22:41*sdk sees google searches for wubi take a small spike.. <griN.
22:42<TCW>simonft, _shame_ on you! :p
22:42<opticon>wubi is pretty neat but its quirky
22:43<simonft>opticon: yes, there are some major grub problems, which is why I asked. I forgot it was debian. :)
22:43<opticon>new version of debian thats to be released anyone tried the test version thats out
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22:44<TCW>grub2 does work here on several boxes fairly well
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22:45<sdk>So, my daughter is 11, my son 18 and I have one file/music share set up. I don't want to duplicate the shares into 'music my son listens to' and 'music my daughter is allowed to listen to', so the best I can come up with. <more>
22:45<TCW>apart from a missing os-prober once (d-i fault or broken dependency, don't remember)
22:46<fjl9>hi, small/silly question. I downloaded Debian Lenny a few months ago... and every time I join a program channel (say, #transmission, or #iceweasel), I get the comment "that's a really old version... why're you using it? update". Is stable really only used by people who're intending their machines to be servers, and thus want that 'stability' that comes with Lenny, and most people just use squeeze or sid?
22:46<opticon>is it samba shares?
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22:47<sdk>is to make symlinks to the artist directories in their /home/dirs and let htem share their home dirs. Can anyone come up with a simpler method for a share based access control? I was looking for a CMS, but theyr'e all too complex for somethig this simple. Any ideas are appreciated.
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22:48<sdk>opticon: yeah, seems most straightforward, theyre botgh using Mac.
22:49<jaan>how do i fix this : root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. there is no .bash_profile
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22:49<sdk>fjl9; yes, for the most part.. Stable is just that.. stable, the rock of gibraltar has more seismic activity then Debian Stable.
22:50<TCW>sdk, I would tell the kids to put the stuff in a central directory like /srv/Musik/{shared,boy,girl} and use default 700 for boy and girl and 770 for shared and put both in the same group which is the same gid as for the shared directory
22:50<fjl9>sdk, so, probably most people who use debian for desktop purposes probably use squeeze, then? I guess I should decide now whether I should go with sid or squeeze
22:50<sdk>jaan: in this case, the simplest solution would be to edit /etc/profile and make sure your PATH line contains those direcotry paths.
22:51<sdk>TCW: Ahhhh.. that's a good one!
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22:51<BobHartge>samtry, did the screen go blank for a few (like 5) seconds between bios messages and debian booting?
22:52<opticon>ahh i cant help ya with samba it seems straight forward but its just the opposite for me i setup proftp shared what i needed mapped location on other pcs
22:52<jaan>which line should i edit :
22:53<samtry>sorry i don't remember that clearly but i think so
22:53<sdk>fjl9: squeeze. Sid/Unstable, while normally very stable indeed, when thing do go wrong, in my epxerience, they go wrong in a fairly spectacular fashion. :)
22:53<fjl9>sdk, gotcha. thanks. squeeze it is then
22:53<TCW>sdk, there is a extensive chapter about samba rights and permissions when default unix rwx stuff is not enough, posix acl may be what you want (but I doubt that, as you are using macs and not windows)
22:54<sdk>TCW: where.. Samba docs?
22:54<sdk>TCW: yes, I am FINALLY completely windows free at home.
22:55<TCW>sdk,, docs section, samba howto collection
22:55<samtry>BobHartge - sorry i don't remember that clearly but i think so
22:55<TCW>sdk, congrats :)
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22:55<sdk>jaan: Umm.. the paths are there already.
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22:55<BobHartge>smatry, you might try setting the screen resolution. I think the default is 640x480 and i have seen a few monitors that didn't support this mode.. they just go blank.
22:56<sdk>jaan: your profile is identical to mine.
22:56<sdk>jaan: perhaps I'm missing somethign; I did come in at the middle of the conversation.
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22:57<TCW>fjl9, why use testing / squezze if YOU are happy with stable? Don't listen to what others say if YOU are happy with what you have.
22:57<sdk>jaan: well, almost identical... I have my enlightenment lines in mine..
22:57<sdk>TCW: beautifully put.
22:57<jaan>yes, please look into this
22:58<samtry>no before this happened i was getting the menu except now WindowXP
22:58<TCW>fjl9, and see i that way, debian stable may be one or two years old... guess how many folks still use windows XP and you know that is about 8 years old...
22:58<TCW>samtry, come again please?
22:59<TCW>fjl9, s/see i that/see it that/
22:59<sdk>TCW: apparently samtry was trying to build a dualboot.
22:59<TCW>sdk, and now only windows boots?
22:59<TCW>as... no grub menu shown...
23:00<samtry>ok i will figure this problem one way or another. talk to you guys latter. gn
23:00<fjl9>TCW, right. I guess the biggest plus is the support aspect of it. most helpers don't like to be bugged about older versions. And I personally do like some newer things that have been released, but haven't made their way into lenny (like the revamp on Nautilus, some bugs that were corrected with Keyboard Layout)
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23:01<TCW>fjl9, revamp of nautilus? Did I miss something? I don't see a major difference between lenny and sid there
23:01<sdk>jaan: really, I've also been where you are, and if you're trying for the learning experience of the situation, then by all means, continue as you are. If you are just trying to get ti to work, I would prolly just back up my ~/ to CD/DVD and rebuild the system. downgrading from Unstable to stable is brutal, confusing and (I'm *no* guru) rarely completely successful. I'm dumb though, so ymmv.
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23:02<TCW>I did go back and forth between stable - testing - sid several times... true, it is pita, but was always succesful
23:03<TCW>but by all means that is not a suggestion at all! :)
23:03<sdk>TCW: hence my cateat. I'm no guru, to say the least.
23:03<TCW>sdk, me neither
23:04<sdk>jaan: did you do a locate ldconfig?
23:05<jaan>yes, /sbin/ldconfig
23:05<sdk>jaan: you in as root?
23:05<TCW>so folks, time for bed... need to get up in 5 hours... night
23:06<sdk>what happens when you run ldconfig
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23:06<sdk>TCW: night man. Sleep well.
23:06<sdk>jaan: just typing in 'ldconfig' at the prompt and hitting enter?
23:06<sdk>no quotes....
23:07<jaan>ldconfig :command not found. /sbin/ldconfig : no such file or directory.
23:07<sdk>jaan: cd /sbin/ldconfig then ./ldconfig
23:08<sdk>or just /sbin/ldconfig
23:08<jaan>bash: cd: /sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
23:08<sdk>jaan: sorry, cd /sbin THEN ./ldconfig
23:08<jaan>if i type just /sbin/ldconfig : no such file or directory. is the message it is shown
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23:09<jaan>bash: ./ldconfig: No such file or directory
23:09<sdk>Hmm... one more thing, just to because I enjoy bludgeoning deceased equines... file /sbin/ldconfig
23:09<TCW>sdk, you too... when you sleep :9 and btw. ls -l /sbin/ldconfig, locate does NOT search for the file or look if it is there, locate only asks the file db created by updatedb (the file was there as teh db was created) *hint*
23:10<jaan>user:/sbin# ./ldconfig bash: ./ldconfig: No such file or directory
23:10<sdk>TCW: Yep, I was looking to see if it had been recntly erased.
23:10<TCW>sdk, as I pointed out an hour ago... his ldconfig is missing and he should fix that :)
23:10<TCW>so... night
23:11<sdk>jaan: what happens when you install libc-bin?
23:11<sdk>apt-get install libc-bin
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23:13<jaan>please look into this
23:14<sdk>Anyone here running Lenny who can give me an output for apt-cache search libc | grep bin ?
23:15<jaan>ldconfig location after running updatdb :
23:17<sdk>jaan: have you updated your /etc/apt/sources.list to have lenny? Did you do an apt-get update after editing /etc/apt/sources.list?
23:18<jaan>my output for apt-cache search libc | grep bin :
23:18<kop>jann: For that matter, if you're upgrading to Lenny from Etch, did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
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23:22<sdk>kop: (S)he's downgrading from Sid to Lenny.
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23:26<sdk>Wow,just dozed off at the keyboard for a few seconds.. time for me to get some shuteye. Jaan: sorry to ditch you like this, but my infant dauther is going to get up an about 2 hours, my wife is sick and I have to be up to take my older daughter to her school for a fieldtrip @ 6AM tomorrow... I'd venture to say you may have to look into making sure your sources.list is pointint to lenny, do an update, a -fix-missing, and go from there.
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23:26<sdk>mnight all..
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