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00:39<Nemoder>Is anyone (in the US) able to view videos from on Debian testing?
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00:59<cesurasean>[Thu Feb 04 23:55:57 2010] [warn] RSA server certificate wildcard CommonName (CN) `*' does NOT match server name!?
00:59<cesurasean>why am i getting this error?
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01:06<jmarsden>cesurasean: Perhaps you have a ServerName that does not match *
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01:15<jmarsden>cesurasean: Without looking over your full set of apache2 configuration files, no-one but you can know why you are seeing that error. Does grep -ri servername /etc/apache2 # output any servername lines that do not match that wildcard ?
01:16<cesurasean>i think its because of wrong certs
01:16<cesurasean>i am overlooking that now...
01:16<cesurasean>i will come back if needed. thx
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01:20<acu>hey guys - what happen with imageGD2 in squeeze
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02:00<chealer>acu: what do you mean by imageGD2?
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02:04<drbeach>is my keybord working?
02:04<jmarsden>chealer: I think that is the PHP function imagegd2 see
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03:18<b41775t1y45y6>i'm still cannot install debian or ubuntu form local repository with minimal cd...
03:18<adb>use netboot
03:18<b41775t1y45y6>like this
03:19<adb>for like this ask #ubuntu
03:20<b41775t1y45y6>but there is same problem for me for debian or ubuntu
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03:21<adb>is a laptop ?
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03:21<b41775t1y45y6>no... there are a lot of desktop for comp. lab.
03:22<adb>fis your local repos
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03:22<b41775t1y45y6>how to fix it...???????
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03:22<adb>do a mirror with installer components
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03:24<b41775t1y45y6>what must i do for that....??? (i)
03:24<adb>read some google infos ..
03:24<b41775t1y45y6>i'm so sorry, i can not speak english well...
03:24<adb> google mayspeake your language too ..
03:25<adb>may speak *
03:27<b41775t1y45y6>i have search on google.... but i don't still get it....
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03:39<nteon>hi folks, I'm having some problems using a debian box with 2 nics as a bridge between two network segments
03:41<nteon>I've got 2 interfaces in the bridge
03:41<nteon>one is connected to the 192.168.1 link, the other to 192.168.2
03:42<nteon>the .2 network seems to work fine, but the .1 network not at all
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03:43<nteon>I can see arp requests (via wireshark on another computer, but the bridge doesn't seem to accept them
03:43<nteon>and this is just past the edge of my networking knowledge :)
03:45<nteon>I suppose I should mention the bridge machine is running squeeze, and I can bring both interfaces up individually with static IPs and their connectivity is fine.
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03:50<samaira>i am installing openoffice from backports. to upgrade automatically i have created preferences file in /et/apt. to upgrade do i need to comment out the backports line in sources ?
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03:52<babilen>samaira: I would suggest, that you don't pin the packages in /etc/apt/preferences , but override the priorities manually with '-r lenny-backports' if you want to install a package from bpo. That way you can upgrade normally and everything will work as expected.
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03:54<samaira>babilen || you mean aptitude -r lenny-backports install package
03:54<babilen>aeh, make that '-t lenny-backports'
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03:55<samaira>babilen || ok. that command is for installing. until today i have never upgraded or updated the bpo package. how do i update or upgrade the bpo package ?
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03:58<babilen>Are they not updated?
03:59<babilen>In a way i would expect that to happen automatically, but now that you mention it I am not completely sure.
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04:03<babilen>samaira: And you are right - Just follow (bottom) and you will get upgrades automagically
04:03<babilen>samaira: sorry for the confusion. There is still no need to pin individual packages though and '-t lenny-backports' is preferred.
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04:04<samaira>babilen || ok. thanks for the tip.
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04:34<nteon>oh interesting, I have a much better understanding of the problem
04:35<nteon>the bridge interface takes the lowest hwaddr (mac address) of its constituent interfaces as its own
04:35<nteon>its sending out ARP requests on _both_ interfaces with that mac address
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04:37<nteon>and when someone replies on the .1 network (the link connected to the higher hwaddr card), the reply is to the wrong mac address
04:37<nteon>and it gets dropped
04:38<nteon>but now I'm stumped
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04:40<meglaw>i just bought one of thees,, i hope it will fit my UPS serial exit..
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04:54<mixter_>hi! i have some problems getting updates with aptitude. when running aptitude update, the packagelists is downloaded nice and lean, but when running aptitude safe-upgrade afterwards, the download of the package stalls and at last i get a http error 503. i've tried to get the packaged from both and with the same result. i got other servers here which could download and install all the packages, so i'm afraid there is
04:54<mixter_>problem with my apt-get or aptitude. i could install new packages without any problems.
04:56<firefox>anyone know how I would just flat out block a certain port range?
04:57<babilen>firefox: You can specify port ranges with iptables
04:57<firefox>babilen, REJECT -p or something?
04:57<babilen>mixter_: Seems to be an error with the mirrors.
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04:58<babilen>firefox: DROP/REJECT whatever rocks your boat :-)
04:58<mixter_>babilen: ok, are there other having problems too? i've tried several mirrors and get the same problem, while other servers of mine both downloads and installs the updates right away
04:58<babilen>mixter_: Ah, i misread the 'other servers' as 'other mirrors' - Could you paste the output
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05:03<babilen>mixter_: Hmm, that looks like a network problem. Can you ping the applicable hosts without problems?
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05:04<mixter_>babilen: ping is blocked in the firewall, but i could download the package list with aptitude, install other packages from the same mirrors and also use wget to download the index.html-file :-/
05:05<babilen>hmm, what i also see is that aptitude seems to download the same packages several times. Weird
05:05<mixter_>babilen: i just installed lynx from and could browse the archives from the very same server that has the problem
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05:06<mixter_>babilen: yes, but it "hangs" and doesn't seem to download more than a few bits... i get outputs like this: "0% [15 qt4-qtconfig 5610/135kB 4%]" for all the packages
05:07<babilen>mixter_: Can you try other mirrors? Like, or
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05:08<babilen> indicates no errors though
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05:10<mixter_>babilen: it seems like aptitude tries to resume partially downloaded packages. are there any more deep cleaning than aptitude clean?
05:10<babilen>sure - try 'aptitude clean'
05:10<mixter_>babilen: i've tried and with the same result
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05:10<mixter_>babilen: i've tried `aptitude clean` with no luck :-(
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05:11<babilen>that removes all previously downloaded packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/
05:12<mixter_>babilen: theres the aptitude clean and update too
05:13<babilen>Do you need some kind of http proxy?
05:13<babilen>But then security wouldn't work as well :-\
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05:13<mixter_>babilen: nope... directly connected to the internet (via a firewall, but that should let traffic to through)
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05:14<mixter_>babilen: i have the same problem to get qt4-qtconfig from
05:16<babilen>mixter_: Can you disable the firewall temporarily?
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05:17<themill>mixter_: a 503 error implies either a proxy is in the road and is unhappy or the mirror itself is unhappy
05:17<babilen>Are you sure that the packages from these hosts are not dropped/rejected and accepted for the others on which upgrade works?
05:17<mixter_>babilen: i have other servers going through the same firewall without any problems, but it crossed my mind too that the fw is responsible. this is a production server however, so at least right now i cannot remove the firewall or change the subnet of the server to bypass the fw :-/
05:17<babilen>themill: The mirrors seems to work fine - I tried them and could download packages and the mirror status page also lists no problems
05:18<babilen>mixter_: Can you wget packages from the mirrors?
05:18<mixter_>babilen: i could wget the index-page, but i haven't tried an actual package... wait
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05:19<babilen>but you said that you could install *new* packages without problem, correct?
05:19<themill>hmm... it's able to get the Release file, so the mirror can't be completely broken
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05:22<babilen>i'll get me a cappuccino - brb
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05:25<mixter_>babilen: yew... i could install lynx without any problems at all... and wget is also happy when downloading packages.
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05:32<babilen>hmm, that is strange indeed.
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05:32<babilen>Can you place the file you just downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? Does aptitude try to download it again?
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05:33<TIBS02>hey ya can someone help me ?
05:33<babilen>TIBS02: All your problems are solved
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05:34<TIBS02>u know in /home accounts any accounts can make a public site with /~username
05:34<TIBS02>well for some reason mine aint detecting the public_html
05:34<TIBS02>folders i only got apache2 installed
05:34<TIBS02>do i need any other programs installed
05:34<babilen>TIBS02: You have to configure apache accordingly - or whatever webserver you are using
05:35<TIBS02>yer i know in older versions of debian u had to run apache beside apache2
05:36<jm_>do you have userdir enabled? ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled|grep userdir
05:36<babilen>a2enmod userdir
05:36<TIBS02>what config file is it
05:36<babilen>TIBS02: Just run 'a2enmod userdir' if the module is not enabled
05:37<TIBS02>shell:~# a2enmod userdir
05:37<TIBS02>Enabling module userdir.
05:37<TIBS02>Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration!
05:37<TIBS02>shell:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
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05:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
05:38<TIBS02>ah ha
05:38<TIBS02>its working now
05:38<TIBS02>wicked tar
05:38<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
05:38<cozminsky>I really like apache2ctl configtest
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05:40<mixter_>babilen: it seems like aptitude/apt-get skips the packages if i download the manually, so i'm currently locating and downloading the files myself...
05:40<themill>mixter_: apt-get has a --print-uris option that might help you
05:41<mixter_>themill: thanks!
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05:42<babilen>still a strange problem that should be solved
05:43<cozminsky>themill, can you do that with aptitude too?
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05:43<mixter_>themill: thanks! a little cut and xargs and you just saved me a lot of time!
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05:44<themill>babilen: absolutely
05:45<themill>mixter_: actually, there's a set of scripts already designed for doing this with a remote computer, /msg dpkg apt-zip
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05:47<mixter_>babilen: themill: after downloading all the files manually to /var/cache/apt, aptitude upgrade runs just fine... this is really strange!
05:47<themill>yes, odd.
05:47<themill>cozminsky: not that I know of
05:47<babilen>mixter_: no, *that* is the expected behaviour - the question is why aptitude can not download the packages
05:48<mixter_>babilen: themill: well... this server is updated now, but i guess that i'll come back in a few days if the problem persist :-)
05:48<mixter_>babilen: yes, of course... there is nothing strange about the installation working now. it's just my english that's a little fussy... :-)
05:49<babilen>No problem - So is mine :-D
05:50<mixter_>babilen: thanks for all the help! i hope that this was something temporary and that everything works magically the next time
05:50<babilen>mixter_: :-D - I would also try other (non scandinavian) mirrors and see if the problem persists
05:51<themill>mixter_: btw do you have a transparent proxy on your network?
05:51<babilen>You could also consider writing to the mailing list (debian-user) as others might have experienced the same problem as well
05:51<mixter_>babilen: if i get the problem again, i will definitely try other mirrors too...
05:51<mixter_>themill: no, no proxies of any kind
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06:10<amol112>hi i have 6 GB RAM 4 GB swap and 32 bit debian lenny installed which kernel will be best to use for this?
06:11<amol112>is bigmem kernel or anyother to get full utilization of RAM
06:11<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem.
06:13<amol112>themill, mine processor is xeon
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06:16<samaira>did anybody downloaded update dvd through bittorrent client. there are no seeders and unknown error for the torrent.
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06:17<babilen>amol112: Use an amd64 kernel then
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06:18<amol112>is there any way like fedora has if a particular package is upgraded in repository that small part only download and install not full package download and install
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06:18<babilen>amol112: which 'small part' ?
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06:19<amol112>like patch kind of stuff
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06:22<jmm>heh guys I made a small Makefile, which do a chmod 755 {a,b} at some point.
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06:23<jmm>it doesn't works on my coworker's computer, saying it doesn't find {a,b} . but those exist,
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06:23<jmm>also if I replace it with chmod 755 a ; chmod 755 b it works.
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06:24<jmm>doesn't anyone have a clue about why {} syntax is not ok on the other computer ?
06:24<jm_>different shell
06:24<jmm>that what I trough at first.
06:24<jmm>but both are using bash.
06:24<jm_>how did you determine this?
06:24<jmm>I did echo $SHELL in the target.
06:25<jmm>it both showed /bin/sh, which link to bash.
06:25<petemc>can you do the equivalent of set -x in make files?
06:25<jm_>strace -f make and see
06:26<jm_>SHELL doesn't afftect make btw
06:26<jmm>let's try it.
06:26<jmm>oh thanks for the tips.
06:27<jm_>strace -e trace=process -f maybe
06:27<jm_>so you won't see a lot of crap
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06:27<jm_>does it give any error?
06:28<jmm>umm pft. brb
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06:32<jmm>it seems that sh was linked to dash on the other computer :(
06:32<jmm>now it's fine, thanks guys.
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06:57<fgh>dpkg find convert
06:58<dpkg>Debian Search of 'convert' (9 of 88): (/usr/bin/grconvert) in math/grace ;; (/usr/bin/mdconvert) in mail/isync ;; (/usr/bin/tau_convert) in devel/tau ;; (/usr/bin/cssconvert) in mail/dspam ;; (/usr/bin/auconvert) in sound/nas-bin ;; (/usr/bin/ssconvert) in math/gnumeric ;; (/usr/bin/jv-convert) in java/gcj-jdk ;; (/usr/bin/convert-ly) in tex/lilypond ;; (/usr/bin/hmmconvert) in science/hmmer.
06:59<babilen>!tell fgh -about msg the bot
06:59<fgh>wonder what package i lack
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06:59<fgh>some image convert command
07:00<MM>??? am i logged in?
07:00<fgh>mm: who knows?? try command: who
07:01<fgh> who - show who is logged on
07:01<babilen>fgh: apt-file search -x '/usr/bin/convert$'
07:01<fgh>(from the man page)
07:01<MM>Never mind
07:01<MM>I see the users pane
07:01<MM>I'm in Opera.
07:01<MM>Never logged into an irc chat before
07:02<babilen>fgh: You probably want imagemagick
07:02<MM>anybody here have deb etch on a ppc
07:02<fgh>babilen: yep, thats probably the one im looking for, have heard the name before
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07:03<babilen>MM: There is #debian-ppc - but just ask your question if you have one :-D
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07:03<MM>Oh, @#$, sorry.
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07:03<MM>Didn't see #debian-ppc
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07:03<babilen>MM: No problem
07:04<MM>first off, i forget - is lenny or etch the most recent stable deb?
07:04<MM>Ok. What's the oldest PPC anybody's got lenny running on?
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07:05<MM>what, nobody?
07:06<MM>Ok, I'll go over to debian-ppc. Sry to bother y'all.
07:06<gsimmons>babilen, MM: #debianppc (no hyphen).
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07:06<babilen>argh - naming conventions :-\
07:07<MM>yea, argh
07:08<MM>there needs to be a W3C Standard for IRC naming conventions.
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07:08<MM>guess what i'm doing
07:09<babilen>MM: I had Debian running on some old G3 iBook (2nd generation - *not* clamshell)
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07:09<MM>babilen: really? what proc. number?
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07:10<root__>does anyone now how to install ipwrar?
07:11<babilen>proc. number?
07:11<babilen>It was an PowerPC G3 if that's what you mean. Can't recall the exact details right now
07:11<MM>the processor number. 607, 750...i've got an old ppc g3 and I believe the processer number is a 750
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07:12<MM>Yeah, the "generation" is one thing, the processor number was another...
07:12<root__>does anyone now how to install ipwrar?
07:13<MM>i'm sure somebody does. have you tried google?
07:13<MM>i always try google first
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07:13<MM>what system you got
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07:13<root__>i follow the steps but is not working
07:13<MM>well, define "is not working"
07:14<dpkg>bt is probably Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
07:14<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
07:15<root__>the step that i follows is error
07:15<MM>are you on an x86 ?
07:15<MM>a "PC"?
07:15<MM>yes, but what kind of processor
07:15<babilen>MM: Sorry - I don't know the exact processor number.
07:15<MM>Sorry, i was talking to root__
07:15<MM>I'm sort of an all-thumbs person
07:16<root__>im on pc
07:16<MM>ok. were you using...apt?
07:16<babilen>root__: Go to #backtrack-linux on for help with backtrack. ipwrar is not shipped with DEBIAN AFAICT
07:16<root__>i see
07:16<MM>Yeah, right, what babilen said.
07:17<babilen>root__: good luck
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07:17<MM>babilen - how do ya send a private message here?
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07:18<babilen>MM: /msg person - But it is considered rude behaviour
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07:19<root__>how can i find backtrack server ?
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07:20<petemc>root__: /connect , /join #backtrack-linux
07:20<petemc>not much of a hacker if you cant find an irc channel...
07:20<root__>im nooob
07:21<root__>well, so everybody in here is a hacker ?
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07:24<MM>yes, everyone here is a major hacker. I think Kevin Mitnik, Steve Woczniak and Bill Gates (sp sp sp) are all here somewhere.
07:24<noflash>shhh...they use an alias
07:25<MM>say, as someone who has chatted before, but never on an IRC net, how do you get a message to have one of those little boxes around it w/ the recipient's name at the beginning?
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07:26<MM>...ok....must just be something specific to my client...
07:26*babilen shows some boxes
07:26<babilen>like that?
07:26<MM>heh heh
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07:26<babilen>ok - no idea then :-)
07:27<noflash>MM, you're's a client thing
07:27<MM>Ok, now you're just making fun.
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07:27<MM>Noflash just messaged me, and it has a dotted line around it. That's what I meant by "box". Nobody else sees it?
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07:28<noflash>MM, I didn't message you...I addressed you by nic
07:29<noflash>+k :)
07:29<MM>Ok, then that answers my question.
07:29<MM>My client must just stick a dotted box around messages that begin with a user nick.
07:30<noflash>I get <> around the nicks but when you use my nick it appears in color with irssi
07:31<MM>once again, i'm a noob in irc
07:31<MM>just fyi
07:31<MM>....if you couldn't tell....
07:31<MM>....and if i hadn't already said it....
07:31<noflash>mm, we pretty much had that figured out ;)
07:31<MM>If I'm not being annoying enough, notify me, and I'll amp myself up.
07:32<babilen>!lart MM
07:32*dpkg --purges MM
07:32<MM>see, now everybody's making fun of me in ways i don't understand. If you don't stop it, I'll just go home.
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07:33<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
07:33<noflash>mm, you'll need to toughen up if you are going to be on IRC
07:33<MM>is there a "sarcasm" mark I can hit before I type? You guys obviously aren't picking up on it.
07:34<noflash>and no one has made fun of you...yet :)
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07:36<MM>hey dpkg go leet yerself
07:36*dpkg sulks quietly
07:37<MM> dpkg is a computer. Interesting. Lot of AI around on these things.
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07:38<MM>who here is cygwinning irssi?
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07:39<MM>who here has colts +5.5?
07:39<MM>who here is currently pantsless?
07:40<jmm>I do.
07:40<seeS>So many important questions requiring answers
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07:45<MM>is dpkg pleased with himself?
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07:49*Name1ess redirects MM to /dev/null and hits for 29 damage
07:49*Name1ess gained 5.8 EXP!
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07:49<noflash>MM, this really isn't a chat's a debian support channel
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07:50<noflash>and +++ on jmm with the Colts ;)
07:53<gernot>Hi. I slipped when apt-pinning and updated a bunch of packages to their testing versions that I don't really cared for. Everything is stable and therefor no big deal. Now I'm wondering however if I need to keep updating them for security reasons or if I could leave them in their current state.
07:53<locklace>which packages
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07:55<MM>noflash: I knows this ain't a chat channel. I have an old PPC, and as I just got a new, fancy internet connection for all my other boxes...
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07:55<MM>...i just wondered if anybody had an old iMac running lenny.
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07:55<MM>I felt like trying it myself.
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07:56<MM>....installing lenny on an imac.
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07:56<gernot>locklace, all kinds of things unfortunately. Python, xorg amongst others.
07:57<MM>Really? You gotta update Python for security reasons?
07:57<locklace>gernot: welcome to squeeze
07:58<Flooo>ich hab folgendes prob: adress verwaltung durch ldap, courier imapd maildirs.. postfix sollte dort reinpassen?! kann ich auch exim nehmen? was wuerdet ihr mir empfehlen?
07:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:58<MM>ich hab no deutsche.
07:58<Name1ess>Los cientos - no habla espanole
07:58<MM>wait, how dost thou sayeth, No sprechen sie deutsch?
07:59<gernot>locklace, are you saying that I should dist-upgrade to squeeze?
07:59<locklace>gernot: yes
07:59<locklace>dpkg: tell gernot about lenny->squeeze
07:59<nteon>so I have a VM with a fresh debian install I want to use to bridge two network links. I can set up the machine with static IPs on both interfaces which gives me connectivity, but have problems when adding both interfaces to a bridge created either with brctl or in /etc/network/interfaces
08:00<nteon>the bridge interface takes the lowest hwaddr (mac address) of its constituent interfaces as its own
08:00<fossiiil>dude, debian is broken..install ubuntu
08:00<gernot>locklace, alright then, thank you.
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08:01<Flooo>sry wrong chan :/
08:01<Noone>Just wanted to let you know, I'm not here.
08:02<nteon>and it ends up sending out arp requests on _both_ interfaces with that mac address. when someone replies on the link connected to the second (higher mac address) interface, the reply is sent to to the bridges mac address and not the adress of that interface card, so we don't pick it up
08:02<nteon>any ideas?
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08:03<Noone>does anyone know how difficult it will be to install lenny on an old iMac? Its already running 2 v of fedora
08:03<Noone>so ive done it before
08:03<Noone>just not with debby-ian.
08:03<nteon>Noone: what versions of Fedora?
08:03<Noone>FC9, yellow-dog
08:03<fossiiil>yellow dog is homosexual gay
08:04<Noone>thank you, fossiiil
08:04<Noone>for that stunning insight.
08:04<Noone>You are so right.
08:04<Noone>A yellow dog is homosexual gay.
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08:04<fossiiil>Noone: no problem, i'm always to your service
08:05<Noone>fossiiil: did your mother pay for the 7 years you spent in college to come up with that amazing insight?
08:05<Noone>or was it your father?
08:05<Noone>Whichever one it was, they should ask for their money back.
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08:05<somatiq>sound works
08:06<locklace>!congratulate somatiq
08:06<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies somatiq, you did it!
08:06<fossiiil>Noone: yeah, do you know?
08:06<somatiq>i've upadted kernel and installed alsamixergui
08:06<Noone>what plat you got?
08:07<Noone>somatiq: what platform you running on?
08:07<fossiiil>Noone: ARM
08:07<somatiq>what is platform? architecture?
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08:08<No_one>ok. I was hoping you were running on a mac, bcus i've got same problem in a diff. distro
08:08<No_one>ok, since nobody here has lenny on an imac, i'll ask a diff question
08:09<No_one>how do ya get mp3 support up and running on Gnome OR KDE...
08:09<somatiq>i don't think i can haelp you... different hardware
08:09<No_one>somatiq: yeah, i kno
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08:11<nteon>No_one: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
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08:11<somatiq>i've loaded from Ubuntu LiveCD and thre was sound, so i've decided to do an upgrade
08:12<nteon>No_one: and the 'iMac' isn't very descriptive; is it a g3, g4, g5, intel, etc?
08:12<No_one>nteon: yeah, I tried that. I tried both installing the packages, AND compiling from the source tarballs. But the Gnome player ( i forget its name offhand...really tired...) still tells me it doesn't support mp3 files when i try to play them
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08:13<No_one>nteon: it's a g3...running a diff distro than deb....but i figure it's a Gnome problem, not a distro prob.
08:14<somatiq>try to play something from the console
08:14<babilen>!alsa checklist
08:14<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
08:14<nteon>No_one: try vlc.
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08:15<nteon>No_one: suggests Debian should work fine on an old iMac.
08:16<somatiq>only if he didn.t get an old Debian like me
08:17<No_one>nteon: yeah, but the prob is, a lot of distros say that, but then, don't tell you that the installer only works in text-mode, and that once you've gone thru the 5 hr install, all you'll have is a headless CLI until you futz with xorg.conf in a suitably arcane manner.
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08:17<nteon>somatiq: sure; there are many valid qualifiers I left out.
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08:18<nteon>No_one: Lenny's text-based installer is quite straightforward, and the last stage has a big checkbox for 'desktop environment'
08:18<nteon>well, it was straightforward for me, I can understand how it is intimidating
08:18<somatiq>hmm... i've just killed my openbox menu with obmenu)
08:18<No_one>nteon: ok. How about speed.
08:19<No_one>FC9 was dreadfully slow until i installed XFCE, which was its own can of worms.
08:19<somatiq>it's possible to delete the whole ob menu)
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08:20<No_one>nteon: i kno you only need 1 install cd for a basic install, and then you can apt-get (i dunno if that's right or not, but moving on...) whatever packages you need, from the internet.
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08:20<somatiq>No_one, i've had a strange bug yesterday
08:20<nteon>No_one: yes
08:21<somatiq>when an flashdrive was plugged in, installer started only in textmode
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08:21<No_one>nteon: but i'm a little worried about hooking up to the network. I'm gonna need to use a wireless connector, and I have no idea if 2.6 kernel has support for wireless adapters, or if I'll have to get a special driver.
08:21<nteon>No_one: you seem to want the performance of a new computer on an old computer. Sorry, but there are tradeoffs.
08:21<No_one>nteon: no, I know that my computer is 11 years old. I get that.
08:22<No_one>nteon: but it runs maX at a perfectly fine speed for me.
08:22<No_one>nteon: if lenny is comparable to maX in speed, I'll be as snug (and happy) as a bug in a rug.
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08:22<nteon>what kind of wireless adapter do you have?
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08:23<No_one>nteon: haven't picked it up yet. that's one of my problems. If i'm gonna use deb, i'll need the internet to do an install. so I need an adapter. but i don't know what adapter i can use, until i actually plug it into the machine, and see if lenny can recognize it.
08:24<No_one>nteon: catch22.
08:24<No_one>nteon: or something like it.
08:24<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>.
08:24<jm_>there's list of what's supported on there
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08:24<No_one>it'd probably be linksys or smc
08:24<No_one>...and used, to boot.
08:25<nteon>jm_: thanks
08:25<No_one>dpkg: !congratulate me on my smarts.
08:25<dpkg>No_one: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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08:26<No_one>will spammers please die and rot and then trip and fall into the seventh circle?
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08:27<No_one>thank you.
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08:28<No_one>hey, anybody want to give me any props for keeping an 11-yr-old computer running, here in the 21st century, land of major shiny hi-tech OSes?
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08:29<jmm>No_one: what's the spec of your 11 yr old computer ?
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08:30<No_one>jmm: iMac, G3, 333Mhz, 320M RAM, 6M VRAM,....250G HDD.
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08:30<jmm>it's decent computer, I use slower than that sometimes.
08:30<No_one>I know it's not THAT much of a coup.
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08:31<No_one>I've heard of the beige-box macs being still on the internet, running something like DSL. But still. I is proud of me-self, 'specially seeing as how I never turned a computer on until i was 20+
08:31<No_one>(of course plenty of computers turned *me* on, butthat'sadifferentstory!)
08:31<jmm>what do you want to with that imac ? some desktop or server ?
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08:32<No_one>jmm: if I tell you, you'll snicker.
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08:32<jmm>I love to snick.
08:32<nteon>dwm: try
08:32<No_one>jmm: i want to use the internet....continue learning Java...and run Wings3D.
08:32<nteon>No_one: ^
08:32<No_one>nteon: who, me?
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08:34<jmm>No_one: java require a lot of ram to run, which editor do you use ?
08:34<nteon>No_one: fast window manager. that with ramzwap and xcompmgr would be very lean
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08:34<No_one>jmm: kwrite. heh, heh, heh.
08:34<jmm>No_one: greato.
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08:34<No_one>jmm: i also use notepad in windows to design my web pages.
08:34<nteon>No_one: also you might browse the olpc-devel mailing list archives. the XO-1 is a 400 mhz machine, lost of people had similar questions
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08:35<No_one>yeah, i took part in a discussion over at (before they went away for good) on what to do to optimize a linux distro for legacy machines.
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08:37<No_one>the problem with me and my machine is, every time i get a distribution installed, and all the wrinkles ironed out, it's time to upgrade.
08:37<dpkg>hmm... @#$ is the trigraph for "I'm really annoyed"
08:37<No_one>dpkg has a strong grasp of the obvious
08:37<dpkg>No_one: I don't know, could you explain it?
08:37<jmm>bah you don't need to upgrade. also installing few software make less upgrades later.
08:37<No_one>dpkg: go away
08:37*dpkg (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go away, go away, just damn go. Home.
08:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
08:38<No_one>the guys who programmed dpkg sure are a bunch of Ricki Lake-watching nerd-balls.
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08:39<No_one>hey, did dpkg's master ever watch Jerry Springer?
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08:39<Name1ess>is dpkg a bot?
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08:40<No_one>what, you didn't pick up on that?
08:40<Name1ess><sarcasm />
08:40<No_one>hey, there it is! The <sarcasm /> tag!
08:40<Name1ess>^^ XHTML compliant
08:40<ravenbird>Name1ess: I don't know.
08:40<No_one>Thanks, nameless.
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08:42<Alex^>can someone help me with my dhcp3 server?
08:42<No_one>....but, Name1ess, you have a completely empty <sarcasm /> tag, not preceded by a doctype or an xml declaration. I dunno if that'll pass the validator.
08:42<Name1ess>¯\(^_^)/¯ not my problem. Contact webmaster at master@web.knot
08:42<locklace>No_one: your signal-to-noise ratio here is through the floor, and you're a lot more annoying than entertaining
08:43<No_one>locklace: thank you. I'll amp myself up, now.
08:43<No_one>Hey, anybody want to hear the most annoying sound in the world???
08:44<No_one>(Guys! Guys! Don't you think we could, y'know, listen to the radio or sumpin'?)
08:44<No_one>Who needs the radio?
08:44<locklace>!ops No_one twonking out
08:44<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: No_one twonking out
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08:44<themill>No_one: enough!
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08:45<Alex^>where do i find the logfile for dhcp3 server?
08:45<koollman>Alex^: most probably /var/log/daemon.log
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08:48<Alex^>mhm thank you
08:48<Alex^>i dont manage to get my dhcp3 server running :(
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08:48<roy>anyone online ?
08:48<koollman>any error message ? the usual cause would be bad configuration, either missing range or badly declared
08:48<koollman>roy: no
08:48<koollman>the internet is off
08:48<Alex^>no error messages at all
08:48<Alex^>it starts
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08:49<Alex^>and there's nothing in the log
08:49<roy>bad news
08:49<The_Quieter_Man>Well, that was just mean. I did have 2 decent questions, and i didn't get a decent answer.
08:49<The_Quieter_Man>oh, well.
08:49<Alex^>and i declared the range
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08:50<Alex^>the dhcp3 server starts without errors
08:50<Alex^>but it won't give my clients an ip
08:50<jm_>try some other dhcp server then
08:50<themill>The_Quieter_Man: please try to be more signal and less noise in then channel.
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08:51<koollman>Alex^: there should be a message about the server receiving a dhcp request
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08:51<The_Quieter_Man>themill: 10-4
08:51<The_Quieter_Man>themill: howsat
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08:51<Alex^>in the deamon log?
08:51<koollman>Alex^: are you sure there's a dhcp client asking anything somewhere ?
08:52<koollman>Alex^: yes
08:52<koollman>Alex^: here is an example : dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:1c:c0:11:90:5f via eth0
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08:54<Alex^>yes, i just tried to renew the ip adress on my laptop
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08:59<lostMikePfx>quick question - any ideas on when squeeze stable release date
09:00<Alex^>the only log i get is "dhcpd: wrote 0 leases to leases file"
09:00<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
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09:01<lostMikePfx>ok thx
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09:03<Alex^>and that log entry just occurs when i restart dhcp3-server
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09:03<Alex^>when it's running it looks like it does just nothing
09:03<koollman>Alex^: ok. so no dhcp requests reach the server. might be a network problem, or a firewall rule
09:03<Alex^>is there a standard firewall on debian?
09:04<Alex^>was thinking of that firewall thing too, but red there is no one
09:04<Alex^>i can ping the debian machine
09:04<Alex^>so i think it's on the network?
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09:04<Alex^>it has only one network card, eth0
09:05<koollman>Alex^: what's between the laptop and the debian machine ? some kind of switch, router ?
09:05<Alex^>the laptop is connectet to the access point
09:05<Alex^>and the debian machine via lan cable
09:05<Alex^>on the same router
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09:06<koollman>Alex^: I would try first with the laptop connected by cable
09:06<koollman>Alex^: less things can go wrong :)
09:07<Alex^>but i can reach the debian machine from my laptop?
09:07<hapik>where can I find a kernel on Knoppix CD? I would like to boot it from HD (by grub)
09:07<Alex^>i can ping it an visa-versa
09:07<jm_>!tell hapik -about knoppix
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09:08<koollman>Alex^: ok. let's step to a lower level then. on the debian machine run 'tcpdump -n host thelaptopip '
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09:10<Alex^>it says it doesn't find the command
09:10*jm_ waits for newsflash
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09:11<koollman>Alex^: ah, then aptitude install tcpdump . very handy to debug network troubles
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09:11<Alex^>what does this do?
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09:12<koollman>Alex^: basically it's a network sniffer, it shows what is seen by your network interface
09:12<jcdubacq>I am trying to use kvm on debian testing
09:12<Alex^>now its listening
09:12<Alex^>try again getting an new ip?
09:12<jcdubacq>I read the page at and /usd/kvm/README.Debian, and they are kind of contradictory
09:13<jcdubacq>and kvm is very slow
09:14<Alex^>ok, it's like it doesnt ask the debian machine for dhcp
09:14<Alex^>if i ping it, it responds
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09:15<lostMikePfx>i have one more quick question - when will there not be anymore updates for lenny
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09:17<noflash>lostMikePfx, usually about a year after squeeze turns stable
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09:21<jcdubacq>with kernel 2.6.32, do I need to compile anything with kvm-source?
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09:27<lostMikePfx>one more quck question
09:28<lostMikePfx>never min
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09:30<lostMikePfx>well ill ask it anyway - wheres a good place to learn how to configure your firewall
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09:30<lwithers>how do I change the default font used when printing a text file via lpr with cups? (the current font is way too wide and ugly)
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09:56<jcdubacq>hello again
09:57<jcdubacq>So, I would like to know whether someone knows why when launching virt-manager, I only get QEMU mode instead of KVM/QEMU
09:59<locklace>jcdubacq: is your kvm kernel module loaded
09:59<jcdubacq> yes
09:59<jcdubacq>kvm_amd and kvm
10:00<jcdubacq>I am in groups kvm and libvirt
10:00<jcdubacq>I can read /dev/kvm
10:01<jcdubacq>I do have the svm extension
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10:02<jcdubacq>I do not have qemu-kvm installed, however: I have kvm and qemu
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10:03<gsimmons>jcdubacq: So you're using kvm from experimental?
10:03<jcdubacq>I tried with kvm/stable and then kvm/experimental
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10:06<jcdubacq>I just tried qemu-kvm and read the documentation. The package description is awfully misleading. Should I reboot or logout for it to work?
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10:07<gsimmons>jcdubacq: How is it misleading? KVM is essentially a modified QEMU, explained in detail in /usr/share/doc/qemu-kvm/README.Debian.gz.
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10:08<jcdubacq>the difference between the two. I thought apt-get install kvm virt-manager would be the way to go in testing, and in fact I should have done qemu-kvm instead (probably).
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10:09<mkb>hello every1
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10:11<No_one>themill: geez, finally back on. Look, sorry, dude.
10:11<No_one>themill: was bored, ok?
10:11<jcdubacq>I tried qemu-kvm, and the guest is still very slow
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10:12<jcdubacq>unless this is the VNC display, but I can see the squares being erased and redisplayed in debian-installer
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10:16<jcdubacq>can it be due to the fact that I have 32bits userland and 64bits kernel?
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10:18<nteon>jcdubacq: the kvm virtual display was painfully slow for me when I was using it a few months ago
10:19<jcdubacq>did you just stop using it?
10:20<nteon>jcdubacq: did stuff through commandline, and then switched jobs (not because of kvm...)
10:20<jmm>oh god that java hell never end.
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10:21<nteon>jmm: which specific level of java hell?
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10:22<jcdubacq>maybe gcj getting installed all the time when you already have openjdk?
10:22<jmm>the annoying point now is to install java 1.6 on some server.
10:22<jmm>I got a stupid error :
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10:23<jmm>it was too big to be pasted here.
10:24<themill>jmm: you'd be better off just installing java using the debian packages. /msg dpkg install java
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10:24<jmm>oh oh I think I may have a clue.
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10:24<jmm>themill: I cannot choose the version, it's for some client.
10:25<nteon>jmm: I've spent the past several hours getting some java webapps installed on a fresh squeeze install. its been... interesting
10:25<themill>It *has* to be 6u10? or it just has to be sun java6?
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10:25<themill>,versions sun-java6-jdk
10:25<judd>sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1
10:25<jmm>themill: it has to be 6u10.
10:26<themill>:( sounds like a client who needs a cluebatting. Feel free to borrow ours for a few minutes
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10:27<nteon>so I have a VM with a fresh debian install I want to use to bridge two network links. I can set up the machine with static IPs on both interfaces which gives me connectivity, but have problems when adding both interfaces to a bridge created either with brctl or in /etc/network/interfaces
10:28<nteon>the bridge interface takes the lowest hwaddr (mac address) of its constituent interfaces as its own
10:29<themill>jmm: could probably provide you with a nice list of CVE numbers for 6u10 if you want :)
10:29<nteon>nd it ends up sending out arp requests on _both_ interfaces with that mac address. when someone replies on the link connected to the second (higher mac address) interface, the reply is sent to to the bridges mac address and not the address of that second network card. i think tihs is causing all (non-multi/broadcast) traffic from that link to get dropped
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10:29<jmm>I was lookin at that backport stuff then I realised the computer was runnign red hat 8.
10:29<jmm>lol wtf.
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10:32<nteon>anyone have any ideas? it would be REALLY sweet if boxes on these links could communicate.
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10:32<nteon>bah, sorry, I'll shut up. If anyone knows they'll speak up
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10:44<Pau>KOmo molaaaaaaaa
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10:44<lmc>I just received a dell e6400 notebook from ${COMPANY}, and I wonder if I should install stable or testing in it... online howtos from 2009 are claiming that the notebook is well-supported in Debian with kernel versions more recent than 2.6.26 (or 2.6.27, depending on the site). Does someone here has experience with this hardware and can advise me?
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10:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:46<Pau>rafaaaaaaaaaaaa estasç
10:46<Pau>Rafa estas?? :P
10:46<themill>Pau: please stop. Find somewhere else to play
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10:48<themill>lmc: I have a dell inspiron 6400 here running stable that is quite happy. The model number means little though as they will continually fiddle with chipset details. As a rule though, I always go with stable (/msg dpkg moving target).
10:48<themill>lmc: if you need a newer kernel, that's possible from
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10:49<lmc>themill, my only concern is ending up with a "half-installed" system due to lack of support for the hardware. I guess I should be fine with the stable, but it's always good to ask. :)
10:49<lmc>Thank you for your feedback, themill
10:50<themill>lmc: start with stable anyway then. You can always upgrade it to testing if you need to.
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11:04<lmc>themill, starting download right now. :) Thank you once more for sharing your experience.
11:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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12:07<sws>hi, i would like to modify the source of the ifupdown package, regading its handling of ppp connections, where to ask or discuss the way to get my proposed changes into the debian package?
12:08<sney`>#debian-mentors possibly
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12:09<themill>,uploader ifupdown
12:09<judd>Package ifupdown version 0.6.9 was uploaded by Petter Reinholdtsen, last changed by Petter Reinholdtsen and maintained by Anthony Towns.
12:09<themill>sws: consider filing wishlist bugs in the BTS and/or contacting the maintainers directly
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12:13<Nox11>Can anyone tell me how to enable XDMCP via the command line for GDM ?
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12:14<kop>I've got a strange apt problem. If I change sources.list to include just then aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade replaces 1.8.3-5+lenny1 using gnumeric_1.8.3-5+lenny1_i386.deb. But if I put the mirror of the main repo back it then does the same thing again when I safe-upgrade. It will go back and forth forever. I only have this problem with gnumeric. What's happening?
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12:15<kop>Nox11: Client or server? (There's instructions on the wiki.)
12:15<father0fnine>is there a cheat sheet of all the helpful words to /msg the bots?
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12:16<kop>!tell father0fnine about search dpkg
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12:17<Nox11>Most of the instructions tell how to do it via the GUI
12:18<Nox11>I'm trying to get VNC <-> GDM to be happy.
12:19<kop>Nox11: VNC does not have a lot to do with gdm. You might want x11vnc? Or not.
12:19<kop>/etc/gdm/gdm.conf: [security] DisallowTCP=false [xdmcp] Enable=true
12:20<kop>Nox11: That's on the x client side.
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12:22<father0fnine>.msg dpkg X11 install
12:22<kop>father0fnine: That's a /, not a .
12:23<father0fnine>kop: caught that right away... didn't help. dpkg don't know.
12:23<kop>father0fnine: aptitude show xorg
12:23<babilen>!tell father0fnine -about install xorg
12:24<father0fnine>xorg... sheesh... thanks
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12:25<father0fnine>so aptitude is the replacement for dselect?
12:25<sney`>dselect and the apt- suite
12:26<father0fnine>oh.. replaced apt- also? wow
12:26<babilen>!why aptitude
12:26<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
12:26<sney`>apt- remains for now
12:26<sney`>but aptitude will probably eventually replace it completely
12:26<father0fnine>Debian has changed
12:26<father0fnine>well, everybody knew dselect had to go...
12:27<sney`>yeah, dselect was terrifying
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13:18<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:47<Dessous>Is it possible to disable the ctrl+3 = esc shortcut in
13:48<Yionel>Hi, someone can help me on my gNewSense Metad 3.0 beta based on Debian Lenny. I haven't got sound, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03), Card: HDA Intel, Chip: Realtek ALC888
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13:50<xH34DHUNT3RS69x>Hey! Anybody French? :)
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13:52<xH34DHUNT3RS69x>Anybody here?
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13:53<Alex^>can someone help me with phpldapadmin? why cant i selct SambaSID? theres just an emptry dropdown box, when creating a new user
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13:56<xH34DHUNT3RS69x>Anybody know a French's chan?
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13:57<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:57<Yionel>xH34DHUNT3RS69x, I'm French but it's an english chan :)
13:57<houms>does anyone know if you can turn a desktop into a terminal where it would boot a minimal linux with just the ability to connect to a citrix session? ideally having a web browser would be useful but not neccessary
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13:58<xH34DHUNT3RS69x>Ah yionel :D et tu connais pas un chan fr?
13:59<Yionel>xH34DHUNT3RS69x, dpkg explained you that #debian-fr is french channel
13:59<xH34DHUNT3RS69x>Ok thanks ;)
14:01<chealer>Yionel: no, this is only a Debian channel.
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14:02<Yionel>perhaps user of Lenny with same config than me can help me
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14:02<chealer>Dessous: the ctrl+3 = esc :?
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14:02<Dessous>If I press ctrl+3 it's the same as if I press esc
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14:04<bighornram>I have full "/" partition warning at boot time. currently have / size 337 Mib. amd64 squeeze system. Going to repartion how big should I go?
14:04<Dessous>Although not in every aplication it seems
14:04<danger_>hi could someone help me get x working on my SPARC box - startx just gives a blank black screen :?
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14:07<danger_>I've set my ~/.xinitrc file to "exec openbox-session"
14:07<retrospectacus>bighornram: 500G
14:07<Name1ess>bighornram: I would say at least 2000 MB
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14:07<Name1ess>500 gig?
14:07<retrospectacus>sure why not
14:07<Name1ess>that's xboxhuge
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14:14<bighornram>Nameless: using only 310 mb now so wouldn't 2k be huge also though /home is 135 G losing 1 or 2 G from home won't kill me.
14:14<retrospectacus> / may fill up with logs and things you install
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14:15<bighornram>Nameless: I have separate partitions.
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14:23<czarny>hi how to change tty* resolution in this new grub?
14:23<czarny>someone can tell me?
14:24<czarny>i cannot find menu.lst
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14:29<cmyers>/boot/grub/menu.lst is where it is normally kept, czarnyc
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14:29<czarny>cmyers, i dont have it
14:29<czarny>in grub2
14:30<maxb>menu.lst is for grub-legacy, it's irrelevant to grub2
14:30<danger_>Anyone able to help me with my X problem on a SPARC?
14:30<maxb>grub2 uses grub.cfg, but it's usually an autogenerated file built by a series of scripts.
14:30<cmyers>ah, i stand corrected
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14:31<czarny>maxb, so i can put there vga=791 like in normal grub?
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14:41<NoReflex>hey guys! what do you think would be a good block size for a RAID 0 array which will only hold a 90-100 GB database - the two disks are SCSI 73 GB 15kRPM
14:41<NoReflex>postgresql database...
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14:53<czarny>i check it in grub.cfg u can easy put vga=791 and it works like in normal grub :) so thanks for help
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14:59<ml|>czarny: take a look here to change framebuffer and more ...
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15:02<czarny>thx ml|
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15:13<bgat>I just did an upgrade from linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 to linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64, and now my machine won't boot. It says it can't find the root device, but not until after waiting a lloooong time first. Anyone have any ideas?
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15:14<marcelino>Hi everyone ...
15:15<marcelino>I'm with the debian testing here at home... after installing compiz and the nvidia driver, the window borders disappear, I've done everything, emerald, fusion-icon, and it did not work, what might be happening?
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15:17<adb>testing joy ..
15:18<bgat>I checked, and the command-line parameters passed to both kernels look like they are identical in the grub config. It's trying to find the drive by UUID, and it says it can't even though the UUID is the same as the one that works fine in 2.6.30-1-amd64.
15:18<bgat>Note that 2.6.30-2-amd64 had the same problem, but I didn't mention the bug then because I thought it was a problem on my end...
15:18<marcelino>after giving the command compiz - replace the ... the following error
15:18<marcelino>Backend: ini
15:18<marcelino>Integration: true
15:18<marcelino>Profile: default
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15:22<edbian>I'm looking for file server software. What are my options for secure file sharing over the internet besides FTP ??
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15:25<bgat>edbian: scp, https, ...
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15:25<bgat>you could set up a VPN, and then use ftp et. al inside of that...
15:26<bgat>e.g. openvpn
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15:27<bgat>d'oh! yea, that one...
15:27<retrospectacus>or ftps!
15:27*bgat blushes
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15:28<retrospectacus>grep ftp /etc/services
15:29<bgat>ok, retrospectacus, you've fixed up edbian real good. now tell me why my workstation won't boot! :)
15:29<edbian>Thanks guys
15:29<bgat>I beg of thee, oh guru :)
15:29<retrospectacus>did you check the power cable
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15:30<bgat>yea, it's the very same workstation I'm using right now, under 2.6.30-1-amd64
15:30<bgat>I was smart enough to not de-install the working kernel before testing the new one
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15:36<sney>how would I search for bug reports relating to a specific kernel module(tlan)? bugs.d.o is being obstinate and google is giving me a lot of useless results
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15:39<retrospectacus>you could try using google's search engine but restrict it to search only b.d.o
15:40<sney>yeah, been doing that as well
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15:41<sney>I'm beginning to think that nobody else has had a complete system explosion on boot while running a ti thunderlan nic on 2.6.32/squeeze
15:41<sney>but only if the link is up
15:41<retrospectacus>explosions are rare
15:42<sney>probably serves me right for trying to use a NIC made in 1996
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15:42<sney>it's known to be working, though :(
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15:43<gnufan>sney: I probably have some older nics in a box in the computer room if you think 1996 technology is too new fangled and risky
15:43<sney>yeah, but are they 10/100?
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15:43<sney>I just need an uplink on my new firewall box dangit
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15:44<sney>apparently this one can also do some kind of virtual token ring wizardry
15:44<gnufan>sney: Probably mostly 10/100 I have plenty of v90 modems as well
15:44<sney>when it isn't making the system crash anyway
15:44<sney>well, gonna try the e1000 to make sure it isn't my motherboard
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15:46<gnufan>I wonder when v90 modems will start going up in value as a collectable? These are those nice shiny black plastic ones from Hayes.
15:46<sney> nol
15:47<sney>whoops, parrot on the keyboard
15:47<sney>I have a USRobotics serial in the closet but those are probably too common
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16:04<edbian>Are text based browsers javascript enabled?
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16:07<Lethalman>edbian, no that I know
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16:22<antec>I installed gnome-core on squeeze and there is no way for me to configure or install a printer. Which packages do I need to install?
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16:23<czarny>antec, what kind of printer?
16:23<antec>It's an epson, but under system, administration there is no printer configuration program
16:24<antec>isn't there a frontend for gnome?
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16:26<nteon>antec: system-config-printer-gnome
16:27<antec>i dont see it in the repository
16:28<nteon>antec: pardon me, im on ubuntu for work, i assumed they wre the same
16:28<sney>debian and ubuntu haven't been the same for many years
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16:29<edbian>What package do I install to get the basic x-server running?
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16:29<nteon>sney: Ubuntu still pulls from sid every release. I wasn't and still aren't sure how different things are at the package-name level
16:30<arf`_>where could be the right place to ask : how to connect 2 PCs with 3 eth cards to a box and make the box seeing the 2 PCs like if there both were on a switch ?
16:31<gnufan>edbian: I think elinks can use spidermonkey, but I don't see it mentioned in the Debian Lenny package. has a patch, but I wouldn't expect much.
16:31<arf`_>(ie, routing without nat through one eth card)
16:31<antec>ive installed libgnomeprintui
16:31<antec>but i see no configuration utility anywhere
16:32<gnufan>edbian: any reason not to install gnome?
16:32<somatiq>damn( i've got working sound but i can't control it, volume is maximal
16:32<edbian>gnufan, I need to edit my router. It was a silly little web interface. None of the text-based browsers seem to be able to submit the forms. I only need to open port 20
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16:33<somatiq>wrong mixer settings?
16:36<somatiq>i need to run alsaconf?
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16:39<gnufan>edbian: liveCD? But really ftp should die... stop using it.
16:40<somatiq>alsamixer don't change anything
16:40<edbian>gnufan, I'm remote. I was going to use VSftpd
16:40<edbian>gnufan, Should that also die?
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16:42<gnufan>edbian: The protocol should die. vsftpd is probably the best of the bunch. My own servers now allow SSH and I push folks to use one of the sftp clients they user Windows.
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16:42<gnufan>edbian: that should have ended "if they use MS Windows"
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16:43<edbian>gnufan, I'm looking for an FTP replacement that only requires a browser. Does such a thing exist?
16:43<antec>ah the package is just called 'system-config-printer' not 'system-config-printer-gnome'
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16:47<gnufan>edbian: they have a browser - it supports http, which is a better protocol than FTP for most file download operations. HTTP can encrypt passwords, it doesn't require an extra port opened, doesn't have stupid data port behaviour that everyone switches off (passive ftp). Or did you mean uploads, and webdav sucks.
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16:48<Takhiarel>can someone help me install the wifi card on my laptop please ?
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16:49<edbian>gnufan, uploads. I want an FTP server without using FTP. I want it to be secure. 100% web-based so I can access it using a browser (and thus from any platform) and I want it to allow uploads and anonymous downloads. Does something like that exist?
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16:54<edbian>Snufix, hi
16:55<Snufix>irc with shell is funy
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16:57<bossolo> /msg NoNSoLoWii|CiNe|001 XDCC SEND #98
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16:58<Snufix>edbian: where are you from?
16:58<edbian>Snufix, Illinois
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16:59<vulc4n>hey guys
16:59<Snufix>it's hot for a first time to use irc in a shell
16:59<vulc4n>I'm trying to install debian lenny via the net install disk
17:00<vulc4n>I get past the language / keyboard selection
17:00<vulc4n>then it tells me 'ne disk drives detected'
17:00<Snufix>IDE / SATA configuration?
17:00<vulc4n>IDE drive, also has a SATA optical drive but I don't need it
17:00<vulc4n>oddly it works fine with ubuntu 9.10
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17:02<gnufan>edbian: lots - plenty of cgi scripts that do file upload. Some try to do a bit more, create users, and allow careful file permissions to be set. Really depends what you want to achieve.
17:02<Snufix>i had quite same probleme with old instal of ubuntu, me it was device problem
17:03<Snufix>(by the way, i'm french... Sorry)
17:04<edbian>gnufan, Are any of them debian packages? I can't find one.
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17:05<Snufix>vulc4n: i think i understand evil, it's private remote server?
17:05<vulc4n>its a local machine actually
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17:06<gnufan>vulc4n: need to establish what went wrong. You can flick to the installer errors with ctrl-alt-F4, or switch to another vt and look at the log files. Also should let you look at /proc, not sure what other tools in the install. What kind of PC, and disks?
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17:07<vulc4n>gnufan: its an HP D530c desktop. P4 2.66 / 2GB Ram / 80GB IDE drive
17:07<vulc4n>has one optical IDE drive and one SATA optical drive
17:07<acu>squeeze AMD 64 mondorescue does not work - is any backuptool which can allow you to restore simply from barebone
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17:12<edbian>text based web browsers aren't able to edit the router I have at home. I have an ssh server there that is CLI only. Is there anyway I can create an SSH tunnel or something so that I can use firefox on a client to access the web interface on my remote LAN ?
17:12<gnufan>edbian: Not sure about small debian packages like sitecopy, and some of the lightweight version control tools have webserver features. I know phpgroupware and Drupal have these features built in, but probably rather more than you wanted.
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17:15<picca>hello I am using sid and each time I use openGL on my ATI 7500 I got this error message : Inconsistency detected by dynamic-link.h: 180: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val == 17' failed!
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17:15<picca>did someone already saw this
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17:16<edbian>gnufan, You're endlessly helpful
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17:17<gnufan>edbian: I still think FTP should die
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17:17<edbian>gnufan, ha ha. Of course you do :)
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17:18<gnufan>I mean you will be tunnelling in over an encrypted connection using tools that send and receive files using secure password technology to allow plain text password file transfer. It is like putting a horse in a horse box on the back of your car.
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17:25<jrabbit>hey I'm having an issue with libtorrent on my debian testing system
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17:25<jrabbit>the libtorrent develoepr said I should see the eglibc miaitnainer
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17:25<jrabbit>isn't thta part of the core system?
17:26<jrabbit>is eglibc part of the kernel? because I haven't rebooted in ages
17:26<jrabbit>I really don't know whats wrong and I'd like some help
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17:26<ml|>jrabbit: what issue with libtorrent?
17:27<jrabbit>I'm using svn libtorrent
17:27<jrabbit>it throws a valloc error
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17:27<ml|>valloc error?
17:27<jrabbit>python: malloc.c:3951: __libc_valloc: Assertion `!p || ((((mchunkptr)((char*)(p) - 2*(sizeof(size_t)))))->size & 0x2) || ar_ptr == (((((mchunkptr)((char*)(p) - 2*(sizeof(size_t)))))->size & 0x4) ? ((heap_info *)((unsigned long)(((mchunkptr)((char*)(p) - 2*(sizeof(size_t))))) & ~((2 * (512 * 1024))-1)))->ar_ptr : &main_arena)' failed.
17:28<jrabbit>Thats the output when it crashes
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17:28<jrabbit>the libtorrent develoepr said it's a eglibc issue
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17:28<jrabbit>i don't know much about debian's low level libraries
17:29<ml|>ah, I'm on testing using libtorrent and rtorrent from svn and I have no issues
17:29<jrabbit>wrong lbitorrent
17:29<jrabbit>I mean rashaka's
17:29<jrabbit>from hydri
17:29<jrabbit>with deluge
17:29<jrabbit>not rtorrent
17:29<jrabbit>sorry haha
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17:30<jrabbit>but where is eglibc in the scope of debian
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17:32<ml|>jrabbit: /msg dpkg libc and eglibc
17:32<jrabbit>kk :)
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17:40<Snufix>i've set fonction key on irssi
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17:47<jrabbit>a cool guy on freenode went throguh and ntoices that malloc has changed in eglibc
17:47<jrabbit>the oen in unstable will fix it
17:48<ml|>good to hear :)
17:49<jrabbit>not really because now the develoepr of deluge is bitching at me
17:49<jrabbit>and I have to relearn how to pin some packages
17:49<jrabbit>or wait
17:49<jrabbit>no I can just manually install it can't I?
17:50<ml|>I'd just wait
17:51<jrabbit>I could leanr how to use monit
17:51<jrabbit>that might be beneficial
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17:55<Snufix>hey, by the way
17:56<Snufix>can i connect other pc at this channel for configure irssi?
17:56<Snufix>one other pc
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17:58<Snufix>so, i come
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18:00<Snufix>not beep :(
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18:01<ml|>Snufix: make up channel and test there not here or /j #test
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18:01<Scapin>if you want
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18:02<ml|>well, #debian is not for testing
18:02<Scapin>but there is nobody here, it's little sad.
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18:03<Scapin>i aven't no more test to do
18:04<Scapin>aven't more *
18:04<adb>haven't more**
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18:08<dpkg><scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good
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18:29<Snufix>anyone use irssi here?
18:30<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
18:30<amphi>Snufix: a great many, I would think - better to ask your real question
18:30<ml|>most do, ask your real question
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18:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
18:31<Snufix>okay, i try
18:31<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
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18:33<Snufix>someone has an idea to see the nickname list nearby the chat window?
18:35<ml|>Snufix: this may help you ... and I just /names when I want to see the list
18:35<babilen>Snufix: + screen
18:35<Snufix>i've one, but there are probably better. I've terminator, and with i can split the window
18:35<Snufix>okay okay
18:36<ml|>and yes start it in screen :)
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18:38<Snufix>oh, okay, irssi need many add on
18:39<me>thanks Snufix
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18:40<Snufix>for what?
18:40<me>for giving me the correct command to list the users "/names"
18:41<Snufix>i did it? lol
18:41<magyar>anyone knows howto enable java in iceweasel
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18:43<ml|>magyar: do you have java installed?
18:43<magyar>i guess
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18:44<dario>just unmark the option under settings
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18:44<dario>must be under edit i think
18:44<jmut>lets say I use apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get installt o install something. but I want to revert to previous version. in this case it's skype mic sound is totally awful with skype 2.1 and want to go back to 2.0 what is easy way I do this?
18:45<sney>magyar: try installing sun-java6-jre or openjdk-6-jre first, it should just enable itself as long as you have a java environment
18:45<jmut>I see I have this package so I assuem I have old one in cache /var/cache/apt/archives/skype_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb
18:45<themill>jmut: only if you still have the .deb for the previous version around
18:45<themill>jmut: you'll need to dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/skype_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb
18:45<jmut>themill: should I remove current skype first? and will installing it like this will not affect later dist-upgrades and stuff (assuming I put skype package on hold for now of course)
18:46<Snufix>administration > synaptic?
18:46<themill>jmut: no need to remove, dpkg will just complain about the downgrade. You need to use either hold or forbid-version to stop 2.1 be installed again in the future
18:47<jmut>themill: thanks..trying out
18:47<magyar>sney: i did " apt-get install sun-java6-plugin"
18:47<magyar>java is listed bu i get error on all java scripts
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18:48<Snufix>there is not synaptic on debian?
18:48<themill>dpkg: tell magyar about update-java-alternatives
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18:48<dario>yep, there should
18:48<themill>Snufix: install it
18:49<ml|>magyar: and one of these installed .... openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre ?
18:49<Snufix>no need, i'm on ubuntu
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18:49<ml|>Snufix: /msg dpkg ubuntu
18:49<amphi>how now? a heretic?
18:49<sney>more like a lost child
18:49<Snufix>i don't ask for me
18:50<magyar>ml|: both i think
18:50<jmut>themill: worked as expected. thank you. now on reading howto properly onhold :)
18:50<Snufix>a ask magyar
18:51<ml|>magyar: aptitude show openjdk-6-jre then sun-java6-jre and see
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18:53<Snufix>sorry, i *
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18:54<magyar>ml|: only sun jre is installed
18:55<magyar>openoffice depends on it
18:55<ml|>java should work in iceweasel then
18:56<magyar>i would give my left nut , it java would work
18:56<jrabbit>why is debian stable automatic install downloading packages?
18:56<magyar>i been pulling my hair for days
18:56<jrabbit>do not want
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18:57<magyar>ml|: the plugin shows in iceweasel, bu i get java error on all java
18:58<themill>magyar: what version of java is shown in about:plugins
18:58<ml|>was about to ask ;) ; I have no idea then restart iceweasel
18:58<ml|>magyar: about:plugins does not list java? restart iceweasel
18:58<magyar>i did several imes
18:58<magyar>it does list java
18:59<magyar>but look at my pastebin
18:59<themill>!java ipv6
18:59<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
18:59<themill>magyar: ^^ it's not *all* applets, just ones that try to talk to the network
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19:00*magyar bows down to the themill
19:01<magyar>yes Sir
19:01<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:01<ml|>heh, wrong one ;)
19:01<rex1>hello, i am having trouble mounting an ntfs volume in lenny
19:01<magyar>themill: ^ this is where I was getting the error
19:02<rex1>nautilus says : Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume.
19:02<ml|>magyar: works fine here even tho that pages gives me an error
19:03<magyar>it works now the way the good Lord meant it to work
19:04<Snufix>by the way, you are curse
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19:08<magyar>i can work with my drac's. Outstanding!!
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19:17<rex1>can anyone help me mount an ntfs volume in debian/lenny ? i can reboot into ubuntu and save a lot of time but i would rather figure this out
19:17<rex1>in debian
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19:18<marnold>rex1, ntfs-3g is the package you need
19:18<rex1>i will try thank you
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19:19<rex1>should i be able to reload x and try again in nautilus now that i have ntfs-3g ?
19:20<Snufix>goodnight :)
19:20<Snufix>and thank you
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19:52<user01>is there a package for generating quizzes?
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20:03<user01>or if someone has a good method for memorizing the options for all the bash text filter options
20:03<user01>for lpic 1o1
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20:21<marnold>user01, what kind of quiz
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20:27<user01>marnold, like something that i could enter a bunch of linux command line filters into and write questions for, multiple choice
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20:29<user01>marnold, i cant think of a better way to study for all these bash commands with their option for lpic-101 :)
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20:30<marnold>user01, practice em
20:31<marnold>the cert means nothing if you forget in 5 years
20:31<simonft>Why do you need to memorise them? Keep a good book next to you, look them up when you need them, after a while you will have them memorized yourself.
20:31<user01>simonft, cause i would probably never use a cut command
20:32<user01>or tr command
20:33<marnold>user01, then why do you want lpic in the first place
20:34<user01>mmm cause there is more on the exam than tr and cut commands?
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20:35<user01>but all the switch memorization on the exam is somewhat ridiculous . . . when all you have to do is info x
20:35<user01>or man x
20:35<user01>in real life
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20:37<el_isma>hello. Any kind soul could help me installing redmine/lighttpd on debian testing? I've got lightppd barely working (it shows it's "I'm running" page) but nothing else...
20:38<user01>marnold, so then there isnt a quiz package? there is no practiceem in apt
20:39<el_isma>I've copied /usr/share/doc/redmine/examples/lighttpd-host-alias.conf to /etc/lighttpd/conf-enabled/20-redmine.conf , the server starts but if I try to access localhost/redmine it says 404
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20:54<bja>Where can I rant about the default multipartion beeing too small to host two kernels at the same time?
20:55<marnold>bja, you have a blog?
20:56<bja>but i get the overall idea
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20:57<edbian>I'm trying to set up vsftpd. How can I make it so that when my local user uploads files that they are 0666 file permissions?
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21:19<user01>i think i found quiz software akfquiz
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21:42<clownintegra>hi there guys I am new to Embedded devleopment, I wish to contribute to a group
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21:44<clownintegra>#debhelper hi are you there
21:44<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
21:46<clownintegra>no worries
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21:47<adb>clownintegra, try #emdebian
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21:48<dpkg>emdebian is, like, a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out as well as or #emdebian on
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21:57<clownintegra>#hey guys I understand that you are volunteers, I am not into blood sucking answers, I genuinely want to work on something , I just don't understand the groups and stuctures you may have in place
22:01<sney>the channel for embedded is #emdebian
22:01<sney>this is just the general/support channel
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22:04<dondelelcaro>clownintegra: oh, you can always ask any debian-related question here, but you just might get more help in emdebian
22:04<dondelelcaro>clownintegra: see as well
22:06<clownintegra>ok thanks heaps guys, I will follow this up, so I can come here if I have questions about development, this is a place where we can discuss the challaneges
22:06<dondelelcaro>clownintegra: you can, but we may send you to a different channel (as this channel tends to deal with more generic end-user support issues)
22:08<clownintegra><dondelelcaro> sure thing
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22:13<clownintegra>Ok Thank you I am going to say hello to the people in #emdebian
22:14<dondelelcaro>clownintegra: good luck
22:14<clownintegra>cheers dondelelcaro:
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22:57<opticon>when can i expect to order debian squeeze on dvd media?
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23:33<edbian>Arch has a nice package full of arch artwork. Is there a package like this for stock debian?
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23:35<jrabbit>edbian: I think some is included with each DE
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23:39<opticon>what can i use for debian to make backups that are image based
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23:49<sumb>Привет всем!
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