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02:00<KOJIbKA>I'm about to perform LIVE Debian installation to my junk Pentium III-600MHz. Want to conribute?
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02:02<father0fnine>I am trying to mount a USB drive on Debian (stable). I"m getting a "Logfile is not clean....Mount in Windows" But what does mount in windows mean and/or is there a way around this? file system is ntfs.
02:04<jmarsden>father0fnine: The NTFS filesystem on your USB drive was dismounted uncleanly. You could see if you can find an ntfs filesystem check tool for Linux and use that, or you could mount the filesystem in a Windows machine and let WIndows sort out the mess, and then unmount it from the Windows machine more carefully, and try it again in Linux.
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02:12<father0fnine>Along the same lines... what would be the rsync command line that would work well for getting a copy of the Debian archive?
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02:16<jmarsden>You have that much bandwidth and disk space that you want the whole archive?
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02:17<jmarsden>father0fnine: See
02:18<father0fnine>Diskspace, I think so. Bandwidth not as much but I should only have to download the whole thing once...
02:18<jmarsden>father0fnine: Why do you think you need all of it? For all architectures, all versions...
02:18<father0fnine>No... I only want 386, to be honest.... Testing, probably.
02:19<father0fnine>but I have to start somewhere
02:19<jmarsden>Just use a caching proxy such as apt-cacher-ng instead. Or look at apt-mirror maybe
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02:22<father0fnine>Because caching proxy is even more alien to what I know. The goal is to download something to a portable disk that I can take to work and form into my own "source" for apt...
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02:23<jmarsden> # says the total size is 482GB... do you really wan to download that?
02:23<father0fnine>The 'Net connection at work is so throttled for non-essential traffic that it would take me 10 days to download a "standard" debian install
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02:26<jmarsden>father0fnine: Ten days for one 650MB .iso ? Seems very slow... but if that is all you need, just download that and take the CD to work... the "standard" Debian install would probably be
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02:26<jmarsden>There is a big difference between 646MB for that iso and 482GB for the entire archive :)
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02:28<father0fnine>There seem to be 6 iso's to download to get images... 5 of them 4.4G in size and one less...
02:28<jmarsden>That would be FAR more than "a standard Debian install"!
02:28<jmarsden>You do not need 6 DVD images for the standard install.
02:29<jmarsden>CD1 (the link I provided) is sufficient to get a standard install.
02:31<jmarsden>As says: "if you get a whole set of CDs or DVDs, you will get a lot of packages that you won't actually use."
02:31<father0fnine>but I have to start somewhere
02:32<jmarsden>Yes, you start with the one CD :)
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02:32<father0fnine>Standard install was a reference... Didn't get xorg stuff... and, well, when I chose the desired packages in aptitude everything slowed. Do I need every single DVD? Probably not but CD 1 didn't have everything, either. The install process still wanted to download a bunch of packages.
02:32<father0fnine>There.. that was what I was trying to say... the "start somewhere" came from back buffer somewhere
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02:34<jmarsden>father0fnine: Worst case, do a test install (your standard not the standard) via a caching proxy, then grab the cache it makes and burn that to a DVD as a repo, and you're done.
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02:35<jmarsden>I just thin downloading 482GB of Debian archive for a few packages that aren't on CD1 is wasteful.
02:35<father0fnine>I don't have the 10 days to wait for everything to download the first time.
02:35<father0fnine>Well, maybe I could argue the time.. but certainly not the patience.
02:36<gdb>CD1 contains everything you need for a canned install
02:36<father0fnine>and I don't think 10 days is much of an exaggeration. I started everything Thur and it was still going when I looked in on it today.
02:36<jmarsden>Right. So set up a caching proxy where you are (where you do have bandwidth), use it once, convert the cache to a repo, burn to DVD, take CD1 and your DVD to work.
02:37<father0fnine>gdb: Then I guess I need more than a canned install.
02:37<gdb>So why not install Standard System or Desktop and then use aptitude to install whatever else?
02:37<father0fnine>Ok... how do I set up a caching proxy?
02:38<jmarsden>father0fnine: apt-get install apt-cacherf-ng and read its documentation.
02:38<jmarsden>Make that apt-get install apt-cacher-ng
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02:39<father0fnine>gdb: no bandwidth at work. I was hoping to download the extra stuff and take it in with me... and I was hoping to do it somewhat automatically so I didn't have to click on each package name.
02:42<father0fnine>oh well. I'll figure something out...
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03:20<jmm>hello #debian !
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03:34<KOJIbKA>well, fresh installation to Pentium III-650 MHz/ 320 MB RAM HDD 6Gb is in progress. 20 minutes - flight is normal
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03:35<KOJIbKA>I chose XFCE in graphical install
03:36<KOJIbKA>Video is as junk as processor is - ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D RAGE PRO AGP 2X
03:36<jmm>bah with a p3 650 It's fine ;)
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03:38<KOJIbKA>should I install file server to join it to local network with laptop through router D-Link DIR 300?
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03:38<jmm>I'm not sure to understand what you mean by 'join it to local network' .
03:39<KOJIbKA>so far I've selected Desktop Environment and Standart System
03:40<KOJIbKA>there are wireless router, Destop, Laptop and smartphone all running with Debian. I need them to share resources, like /home/user/Documents for example
03:41<jmm>oh yea so, file server maybe nice to install :)
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03:44<KOJIbKA>my real pain is router. manufacturer is far from helping to set home networks. forums is a bizarre of crying users. you're my only hope to start figure out what local network means
03:44<jmm>oh lol.
03:45<jmm>finish your install and we'll check that.
03:45<KOJIbKA>1min30sec remaining
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03:51<bl4ckc00k1e>wenas, no puedo iniciar sesion con mi usuario ya que sale una ventana de error, diciendo que mi session duro menos de 10 segundos.. por lo que tengo que hacer: control +alt+f1 logearme para gdm, y startx.... el codigo de error, es el siguiente.... a ver si alguien me ayuda, gracias
03:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:54<KOJIbKA>samba server is asking to define workgroup name. that should determine domain name used along with security=domain parameter. what should I enter if my router hostname is set to 'local'?
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03:55<gdb>KOJIbKA: You can enter whatever you like. Domain in this case isn't referring to DNS domain, it's referring to a Windows domain.
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03:56<gdb>Since you're not participating in a Windows domain, that will end up being the name of your local workgroup.
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03:58<KOJIbKA>I've set it to same - local
03:59<jmm>KOJIbKA: why using samba to share data between 3 debian computer ?
03:59<KOJIbKA>it's auto install with xfce. so all is set in auto
04:00<KOJIbKA>probably "file server" is responsible for that
04:00<jmm>oh I see.
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04:02<KOJIbKA>I have zero experience in local networking, so some replicas will take some time :)
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04:10<KOJIbKA>router is using some unknown linux kernel, all that I can control is web interface to take a glance see here though it's in russian. I could not find any screenshots at UK site...
04:12<KOJIbKA>PIII - takes it's time. as well as mine
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04:24<KOJIbKA>it's going to finish install NOW
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04:25<KOJIbKA>and heeeeeeeere's GRUB!
04:26<KOJIbKA>total - 1 hour!
04:28<jmm>it's not that long.
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04:30<KOJIbKA>upon booting I got message: Chosen environment type is not installed at this machine. Run kde.desktop? Surprise! I've selected xfce upon initialization of setup...
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04:30<jmm>just install it so.
04:31<KOJIbKA>kde instad of xfce is looking like ET...
04:32<KOJIbKA>so, I'm in :D
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04:33<KOJIbKA>at least my /home is intact
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04:37<KOJIbKA>I'm lost at this compound of xfce+kde!
04:38<artlovetamil>cant u get desktop?
04:40<artlovetamil>try the following command
04:40<KOJIbKA>well I'm able to reach Internet from it. So how to reach neibouring laptop?
04:40<artlovetamil>aptitude install gnome-core
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04:41<artlovetamil>and then try for : gnome-desktop-environment
04:42<KOJIbKA>artlovetamil: I don't think it's good idea. machine is piece of junk. it has 3D RAGE PRO AGP 2X with 8MB on it, so xfce is my choice to use it somehow
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04:42<KOJIbKA>or are you talking about easing up xfce's life than. no problem...
04:43<artlovetamil>i have one doubt
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04:44<artlovetamil>i have installed google gadgets in my debian linux
04:44<artlovetamil>but its not working
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04:47<KOJIbKA>ping has succeed in reaching router
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04:49<KOJIbKA>same with laptop and smartphone. though last one is taking 100 more time
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04:57<KOJIbKA>well, now I look at few newly created icon at my file managers at all three machines: smartphone has got two neighbors - among shared folders I can see two desktop icons called 'NIKO' and 'NIKOBIT'.
04:59<KOJIbKA>at my laptop there's the same that means at least SAMBA configured it for laptop itself and for desktop, but where's my presious smartphone Nokia N-800?
04:59<KOJIbKA>must learn command line... '<
04:59<jmm>HELL YEA.
05:00<KOJIbKA>do you think it's best time to start right now?
05:00<KOJIbKA>then - guide me... ;)
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05:01<adb>!tell KOJIbKA about command line
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05:03<KOJIbKA>there's Gnome at laptop, xfce mixed with kde at desktop and Maemo OS at Internet Tablet. How to make them share $HOME/Documents for beginning?
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05:03<KOJIbKA>they perfectly see each other...
05:04<KOJIbKA>but do not share anything
05:04<KOJIbKA>well, laptop can't see Tablet so far...
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05:05<KOJIbKA>on the contrary - Tablet does see laptop. At least it's shown in File Manager
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05:09<bignose>how can I tell which font on my computer Iceweasel has chosen to use for a particular element?
05:09<bignose>the CSS names a bunch of fonts for the element, some of which I have, but none of which look like the rendered result.
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05:11<bignose>also, we have then GOME Character Map for browsing glyphs; what simple font browser is there so I can type some text and browse it in different fonts?
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05:12<KOJIbKA> that's all I have so far...
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05:15<TIBS01>hey ya whats the best program for system cleanup such as log files and also rootkit program ?
05:15<TIBS01>anyone help |
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05:16<Nemoder>TIBS01: debsums, deborphan, chkrootkit
05:16<lmc>ahn... is somebody here using KDE4 testing with multiple heads configured? I'm having trouble deciding if I should use xrandr or the new control center stuff.. advice, please?
05:16<petemc>TIBS01: logrotate should already be taking care of your logs
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05:17<lmc>TIBS01: if you have a rootkit installed, I would never try to clean it up. Backup data, drop the system, reinstall from scratch, review the data before you put it back.
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05:17<TIBS01>no just a rootkit scanner i ment
05:17<TIBS01>i aint got one on it i dont think
05:18<lmc>TIBS01: then you need IDS, not cleanup.
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05:19<KOJIbKA>I have a problem to share folders $HOME/ Documents at these machines. How to perform that?
05:20<bignose>TIBS01: for log cleanup, we call that “log rotation”. install and configure the ‘logrotate’ package.
05:21<petemc>that will already have been done
05:21<bignose>TIBS01: you will likely want to combine that with a log analysis and report program, such as ‘logwatch’.
05:22<TIBS01>check the webalizer dates
05:22<bignose>that's for the logs of one particular service (the web server). for system administration you need to know more.
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05:23<bignose>KOJIbKA: can you define what kind of sharing you mean? with which other machines?
05:25<TIBS01>Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 66
05:25<TIBS01>omg how i shut that down
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05:25<TIBS01>thats prob my chat server running off it
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05:26<KOJIbKA>bignose: to share folders $HOME/ Documents among laptoptop <GNOME/Lenny>, desktop <XFCE/Lenny> and tablet <Maemo OS/Debian-like>. I need them to share documents for each other...
05:27<KOJIbKA>they are connected through router
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05:27<TIBS01>servers are behind a router n e way so no one can get into it
05:28<bignose>KOJIbKA: two issues here:
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05:29<bignose>one is that you probably don't want $HOME to be mapped to a network drive on a portable device, otherwise the device is useless without that mapping.
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05:30<bignose>the second is that you can share them, but not *as* the $HOME/Documents directory; just make them available for opportunistically mounting (similar to the way you opportunistically mount a removable USB stick.)
05:30<bignose>KOJIbKA: have a look at using Samba to share directories on the network.
05:31<KOJIbKA>bignose:that's my idea! same like USB flash card!
05:31<bignose>KOJIbKA: right, so you don't do it with the contents of the $HOME directory or any subdirectory
05:31<bignose>instead you devote some area of storage elsewhere on the filesystem and share that via a network protocol
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05:32<bignose>e.g. I share the ‘/var/local/data/audio/’ directory via Samba, which doesn't require messing around in each user's home directory.
05:32<bignose>if they want to do stuff on that share, they go to it as a network share
05:32<bignose>similar to going specifically to the USB stick that has been plugged in.
05:33<bignose>keeping it distinct from anything in the home directory.
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05:34<KOJIbKA>so I came to creating a new directory at my file system and share that one. Is it so?
05:34<KOJIbKA>file systemS
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05:48<KOJIbKA>bignose:thanks for advice!
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05:55<[1]koloxuss>ciao a tutti
05:56<[1]koloxuss>mi dite come installare acid e adodb per favore perchè quando faccio apt-get install acid adodb mi dice che non trova niente
05:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:56<[1]koloxuss>ok sorry
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06:03<geoff>Hello. I am trying to gets some Debian Lenny systems to authenticate users against a Centos Directory Server system. I have followed various guides but I cannot get the PAM component to work (the NSS part works fine). Can someone point me to a PAM config guide that they know works?
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06:04<dondelelcaro>geoff: presumably the centos directory server is using ldap
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06:05<dondelelcaro>geoff: libpam-ldap has an example configuration which works fairly well
06:05<shutupbitch>halloo u retards!
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06:06<geoff>dondelelcaro: Yes, the ldap system works in general, I can also get Apache to authenticate properly. Is the libpam-ldap example in /usr/share or elsewhere?
06:06<dondelelcaro>geoff: its installed for you by default, and there's documentation in /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/
06:07<dondelelcaro>geoff: there are two parts; there's the libpam-ldap configuration, and then there's the enabling ldap authentication for pam; the second is trivial, the first can be complicated depending on your setup
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06:07<dondelelcaro>but assuming you have libnss-ldap working properly, libpam-ldap should be pretty trivial
06:08<geoff>dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. I'll explore that some more.
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06:17<Linux-CLI>Here's my rules file (, and here's the output of ls -tR (from root of program). Please tell me how I can get the program to work.
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06:21<SCRATCHBURN>bom dia!
06:21<SCRATCHBURN>algum brasileiro?
06:21<ne0h|track>bom dia =]
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06:22<babilen>!tell Linux-CLI -about mentors
06:23<SCRATCHBURN>!tell Linux-CLI -about mentors
06:23<Linux-CLI>Thanks, looks like I was able to join the channel this time
06:23<bittin>intresting :)
06:23<babilen>SCRATCHBURN: What are you doing?
06:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:24<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el (, For help in Greek try or #debian-el ( or
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06:25<Linux-CLI>aww, can't I join in the fun? :P
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06:30<geoff>libnss-ldap question: The config wizard is asking about a root priv account to access the LDAP system. Is this asking for the directory manager account on the remote LDAP server system? Why would it need local root privs for that? Or am I mis-understanding what it is asking me?
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07:08<shiznatix>Hello. For my work I always mount ssh connections as a file system in nautilus. I am now trying to mount an FTP connection the same way but for some reason when I try to edit a file in gedit it is only read only. How do I make it mount with write access?
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07:22<jsr_>אני שׂוֹנֵא יהודית
07:22<jsr_>אני שׂוֹנֵא יהודית
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07:25<khades>was that a herbew?
07:25<themill>the nazi version of it, yes
07:26<dr|z3d>I thought the Nazis spoke German..
07:26*dr|z3d winks.
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07:44<lancelot_of>hi all, i can't open java apps on web 'cause a get from java:
07:45<EmleyMoor>I don't have autofs working on my main lenny box - trying to reach a filesystem over nfs on a squeeze system, it can mount it manually but nothing seems to work for autofs
07:45<lancelot_of>i've sun-java-jr6 and plugins installed
07:46<locklace>!java ipv6
07:46<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
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07:50<lancelot_of>locklace, thanks, solved
07:52<lancelot_of>is there any possibility to recover an accidentally removed dir with files?
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07:54<locklace>lancelot_of: what fs
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07:56<lancelot_of>locklace, ext3
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08:04<EmleyMoor>Found my autofs problem - affected map was +x
08:04<lancelot_of>locklace, thank you, even if it's quite hard for me...
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08:22<lancelot_of>locklace, how to make a copy of the partition i want to recover from (which is mounted in /, so not usable with ext3grep) in a reasonable amount of time
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08:24<babilen>lancelot_of: Boot a live cd (grml, knoppix, ...) and create an image with 'dd'.
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08:24<adb>babilen, debian live exist too .. ;)
08:25<babilen>adb: I haven't tried it and will not recommend anything I have not tested myself. :-) I really like grml
08:25<lancelot_of>why, can't i use dd to make a copy of current partition in another partition, without booting a live?
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08:26<babilen>lancelot_of: I guess you could try that, but it might change while you create the image.
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08:28<lancelot_of>is it possible to get information on blocks before using ext3grep?
08:28<vinicius>i want to apply a virtualhost section to more than one part
08:28<vinicius>something like <VirtualHost *:80 *.8080>
08:29<lancelot_of>so i could take a copy with dd just only of the blocks i'd like to recover from
08:29<vinicius>but its not this way... can i do something similar?
08:29<mercutio22>Hello room, I was saying yesterday that when I shutdown debian, the gnome login screen is briefly shown again, so I suspect it is not shutting down properly. I am on squeeze. Is this common?
08:29<vinicius>oh... nevermind
08:30<vinicius>i configured my router to point the 5000 port to my router
08:30<vinicius>*to my server
08:30<lancelot_of>or,maybe, if there's any similare tool like ext3grep for reiserfs i turn around the problem
08:30<vinicius>now when i try to access my domain it does not work
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08:32<mercutio22>vinicius: you configured your router to point the 5000 port to your router? how come?
08:33<vinicius>sorry... not a router
08:33<vinicius>a modem
08:33<vinicius>mercutio22, so when you do its not pointing
08:34<slush>vinicius: /etc/apache2/ports.conf
08:34<mercutio22>vinicius: can you ping
08:34<vinicius>mercutio22, yes
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08:36<mercutio22>vinicius: you could try ddclient in case your router is not athenticating properly with dyndns
08:36<vinicius>mercutio22, it is
08:36<vinicius>mercutio22, when i try domain.dyndns it goes to my router
08:36<vinicius>mercutio22, that doesnt work
08:37<vinicius>mercutio22, the modem ip:5000 doesnt work as well
08:37<vinicius>local ip
08:37<mercutio22>vinicius: have you to forward that port then
08:37<mercutio22>forward it to your pc
08:37<vinicius>mercutio22, yes
08:37<slush>vinicius: netstat -ltn|grep 5000
08:38<vinicius>slush, tcp6 0 0 :::5000 :::* OUÇA
08:38<geoff>Hello. Is that telling me that the authentication for the user failed to an unspecified bind failure, or is it really trying to tell me that the user password is incorrect?
08:41<slush>vinicius: do you have somewhere at apache : NameVirtualHost *:5000
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08:41<vinicius>slush, yes[
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08:41<vinicius>slush, <VirtualHost *:80 *:5000>
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08:42<slush>that's not the same as NameVirtualHost
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08:43<vinicius>slush, ok
08:43<vinicius>slush, i got both
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08:43<vinicius>slush, still doesnt work
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08:44<vinicius>slush, ive put namevirtualhost in the ports.conf file
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08:44<slush>ok, did you do a apache2ctl graceful after that?
08:45<vinicius>slush, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
08:45<slush>ok, good enough
08:45<vinicius>slush, the serverip:5000 works ok, but the modemip:5000 doesnt
08:46<slush>than is your modem failing at this point
08:46<vinicius>slush, i know
08:46<vinicius>slush, but ive put that this
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08:58<Uno-97629503>which package should i download? I m using and intel core 2 duo E6400 Conroe.
08:59<Uno-97629503>Will i have any difficulties with debian? i m only familiar with ubuntu
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09:00<babilen>Uno-97629503: You can download the i386 (32bit) and the amd64 (64bit) release of Debian
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09:01<Uno-97629503>amd64 is suitable for intel too?
09:01<babilen>!why amd64
09:01<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
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09:02<Uno-97629503>wow thanks
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09:02<babilen>Uno-97629503: Have fun! Come here if you need help with your installation
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09:03<Uno-97629503>:) thanks
09:03<babilen>Uno-97629503: I would recommend a netinstall if you have internet connectivity during the installation
09:03<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
09:03<babilen>You might also want to read the installation guide
09:03<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
09:04<babilen>Uno-97629503: How do you connect to the internet? Wired or wireless?
09:04<Uno-97629503>i know the prob :)
09:04<Uno-97629503>with pcmcia
09:05<babilen>Uno-97629503: Alright - that should work :-)
09:05<babilen>Let us know if you run into problems
09:06<Uno-97629503>ok guys ty much!
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09:07<slush>vinicius: sorry, what?
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09:37<Zathraz>hi. I have a Debian server running CUPS. Printing works fine. Just fixed a paperjam and cups worksfine (testpage printed). Now from a client running Gnome on Debian I get brokenpipe errors and Printer is in Zzzz mode. How can I fix this? restarting cups/xprnt was not the trick
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10:14<victor_debian>hello, i have a question concerning debian. is this the place to ask?
10:14<OdyX>victor_debian: Yes. Ask.
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10:15<victor_debian>thanks. this weekend i suffered an attack on my debian/squeeze system. is there any leak i should be aware of in the default installation?
10:15<victor_debian>i think they reached me through ssh
10:15<OdyX>victor_debian: see serious bugs for various packages.
10:16<OdyX>victor_debian: Squeeze is not meant to be run on critical systems :>
10:16<OdyX>victor_debian: was the attack successful ?
10:16<victor_debian>ok, it is not a critical system, just my work computer
10:16<victor_debian>yes, i think they scanned all the ports of my building thru my computer
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10:17<OdyX>victor_debian: scanning is not critical…
10:17<OdyX>victor_debian: did they got access to information ?
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10:17<victor_debian>i think they did
10:17<victor_debian>at least i've been reported that my computer accessed others this weekend
10:18<babilen>victor_debian: The rest of that document might interest you too
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10:18<victor_debian>thanks a lot, i'll look into it
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10:19<victor_debian>i'll try to gather all the information i can and try to make my system as safe as i can manage for it to be
10:20<victor_debian>thanks again and goodbye, fellows
10:20<babilen>victor_debian: You might also want to check for rootkits (rkhunter, chkrootkit, ...)
10:20<babilen>victor_debian: Good luck
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10:20<victor_debian>thank you, i will check for them ;-)
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10:37<Uno-21007595>i just installed Debian 5
10:37<Uno-21007595>and allowd grub to manage the boot...
10:38<Uno-21007595>the problem is that i can log on windows but not debian
10:38<kmap>What is the error you get?
10:38<Uno-21007595>i don t know what the problem could be...
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10:38<babilen>Uno-21007595: Where did you install grub?
10:38<kmap>Please list some output which you get when you try to choose Debian
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10:39<Uno-21007595>near the end of installation of debian i selected yes... about the grub
10:39<Uno-21007595>i don t get any output
10:40<Uno-21007595>it seems it s running good... but i only get a black screen...
10:40<Uno-21007595>on debian
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10:52<bandicoot>which audio player can go with flac, ape and cue?
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10:53<locklace>!tell bandicoot about mplayer
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10:55<bandicoot>thx! mb anything else?
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10:57<father0fnine>Where there major changes with Etch? or after etch? to Debian's basic architecture?
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11:20<mic69>ciao a tutti
11:21<gboutwel_>I'm trying to install a package (libglusterfs0) from lenny that depends on libdb4.8, but it keeps failing because it can't install libdb4.8, if I try to install libdb4.8 I get that the package does not have an installation candidate, what to do?
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11:22<gboutwel_>sorry... That should be from squeeze not lenny
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11:31<father0fnine>Boy, trying to download DVD image 1 is like trying to hit a moving target
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11:34<babilen>father0fnine: why? 1. Pick a mirror 2. wget -c URL 3. Profit!!
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11:36<Guest1301>Hi lads! :)
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11:37<alianvalet>toute premiere fois
11:37<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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11:42<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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12:03<father0fnine>Doesn't debian request we use something other than wget to retrieve iso images?
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12:04<penguin>hi oll )
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12:22<KOJIbKA>Hi! How to share a folder in filesystem using command line?
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12:22<KOJIbKA>Suppose it is /samba/
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12:26<jthomas_sb>Why wouldn't this work for an alias in my .bashrc ? " sftp_test="sftp $1@host.server" " If I replace sftp with echo, I am getting " @host.server username " as my echo'ed output
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12:27<jthomas_sb>father0fnine Debian likes to use Jigdo i think, but I've never tried it
12:29<themill>jthomas_sb: I presume you're making an alias here? $1 isn't going to work in an alias but will in a function
12:29<alephnull>father0fnine: You could also use bittorrent
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12:29<alephnull>iirc, there's even an apt backend
12:29<jthomas_sb>yeah, an alias. is there no way to do what I want then? i thought basjh aliases were like mini-bash-scripts or something
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12:30<father0fnine>I meantion that (I'm trying to use jigdo but the template file keeps changing before jigdo finishes) and someone said I should use wget
12:30<themill>jthomas_sb: use a function: sftp_test(){sftp "$1@host.server"}
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12:31<father0fnine>But on another note... is there anyway to download a tree on debian's git server without using git?
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12:31<themill>jthomas_sb: btw man bash quite rudely says «For almost every purpose, aliases are superseded by shell functions.»
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12:34<johfel>father0fnine: you can download a snapshot: on the web-ui go to "tree" and then click on "snapshot" - you should get a tar.gz
12:36<father0fnine>johfel: danke
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12:37<father0fnine>johfel: does the snapshot include the git control files that allow for updating or do I still need a successful "clone" before I can treat it like that?
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12:39<johfel>father0fnine: I don't think the snapshots contain the needed files in a subdirectory called .git
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12:41<father0fnine>johfel: I had a feeling you were going to say tat...
12:41<o_be_one>Kernel compile : what is "Machine check injector support" ? i have Core 2 Duo
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12:47<cahoot>If you don't know what a machine check is and you don't do kernel QA it is safe to say n.
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12:50<o_be_one>lol thanks cahoot i've already read that
12:50<o_be_one>but i want to know more, what is kernel QA ?
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13:03<chibapet>Hey all. Just out of curiosity, what's the best way to get something included in release notes? I imagine there is a swarm of people updating Etch to Lenny at Etch end-of-life, and I just got bitten by something not in the list of things that might bite folks upgrading... I found my solution here: (Link to
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13:05<babilen>chibapet: I guess it would be best to file a bug against 'release-notes' - Have a look at
13:06<babilen>patience ...
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13:09<gboutwel_>I'm having trouble with libdb4.8... I go to and search for it is says it's there in squeeze... but then an apt-get install libdb4.8 give an error that no installation candidate exists. if I goto the the mirror and go to the package pools db4.8 isn't even listed at all... If I go to the build logs it says it was build successfully.
13:09<Bob_the_sponge>Hi all !
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13:10<Bob_the_sponge>I just installed my Debian, and I've un problem with ndiswrapper : "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found." / I've already search on Internet but I've find no help ...
13:11<gboutwel_>Bob_the_sponge: did you follow these steps - ?
13:12<jthomas_sb>Bob_the_sponge you need to run as root 'modprobe ndiswrapper' or add the word 'ndiswrapper' in the file at /etc/modules (works after a reboot)
13:12<Bob_the_sponge>jthomas_sb > It's when I type modprobe ndiswrapper that I've this message
13:13<jthomas_sb>is ndiswrapper installed with module-assistant ? (m-a, diesussed in the link ^^ above)
13:14<Bob_the_sponge>If I selected ndiswrapper in the list and type Install, I've an error message
13:14<Bob_the_sponge>(with module-assistant)
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13:15<jthomas_sb>i don't know where you would type install, I've never used it in interactive mode before. the steps in that wiki ^^ should work.
13:15<Bob_the_sponge>(The paquet ndiswrapper-source can't be build
13:15<jthomas_sb>you need to run (as root) m-a prepare first, have you done that?
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13:16<Bob_the_sponge>Same message after m-a prepare
13:16<jthomas_sb>no additional error messages?
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13:17<Bob_the_sponge>In modules assistant, no, same message
13:17<babilen>Bob_the_sponge: Please paste your commands and their output to a paste site
13:17<Bob_the_sponge>module assistant is an interactiv program =s
13:17<jthomas_sb>not in interactive mode, Bob_the_sponge, as that is not so easy to paste/understand on or wherever
13:18<jthomas_sb>if you run it as the wiki says, it need not be interactive
13:18<meglaw>Aqua.Teen.Hunger.Force.S07E01.720p.HDTV.x264-2HD (NEW!)
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13:19<meglaw>nr 1 in the hood g.
13:19<Bob_the_sponge>jthomas_sb > ... It's my fault, sorry =)
13:19<babilen>meglaw: please don't do that
13:20<jthomas_sb>Bob_the_sponge what was it?
13:21<Bob_the_sponge>When a load ndiswraper with modprobe, no message.
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13:21<Bob_the_sponge>But with iwconfig I don't see my interface
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13:23<Bob_the_sponge>So .. I'm a noob =)
13:23<firefox>I have a program that sends config files to my comp.. I am trying to figure out where those files go? what would I use?
13:24<Bob_the_sponge>Thanks a lot for your time jthomas_sb ! It's work perfectly. Juste read the manuel =)
13:24<Bob_the_sponge>Have a good day
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13:25<jthomas_sb>firefox you can pdate your systems's database (as root, run 'updatedb') and then find them (as any user) with 'locate filename'
13:25<jthomas_sb>on a command line
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13:26<firefox>jthomas_sb, The problem is I don't know the file name haha
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13:27<sney>needs more details
13:27<sney>can't read minds
13:27<jthomas_sb>and you don't know where they're being copied? it doesn't sound to me like " I [you] have a program"
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13:32<jthomas_sb>firefox do you know how they're being copied to your computer? with sftp or scp, it probably is putting the files in that user's /home/username/ folder or somewhere below that folder
13:34<meglaw>babilen: ok.
13:35<gboutwel_>Please... I am having trouble installing libdb4.8 I type apt-get update, no problems there. I type apt-get install libdb4.8 and a I get an error that the package does not have an installation candidate. I need to know if this is a problem with my system, with the debian pool, or what? Should I file a bug, where do a I fill it? Against libdb package?
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13:36<sney>gboutwel_: first do apt-cache search libdb to make sure you've got the package name right
13:37<gboutwel_>sney: ty
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13:37<sney>or apt-cache search libdb4 to keep the results sane
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13:38<gboutwel_>sney: it report libdb4.8: Berkeley v4.8 Database Libraries [runtime]
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13:39<gboutwel_>So looks like I have the right name
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13:40<sney>can you paste the exact error, as well as your sources.list?
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13:43<gboutwel_>sney: going to take me a bit to get that...
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14:13<gboutwel_>Sorry it took so long
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14:16<sney>gboutwel_: you're mixing 3 releases, which can only lead to problems ... but try apt-get -t squeeze install libdb4.8
14:17<gboutwel_>sney: actually only 2, the sarge reference is to webmin which is not part of debian but is the only version that webmin offers.
14:17<sney>well, still.
14:18<sney>I hope you at least set a default release in apt.conf
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14:18<gboutwel_>Trying what you suggested.
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14:19<gboutwel_>sney: I set default release and pinned specific packages... Only packages that aren't available in lenny should be gotten from squeeze
14:19<sney>ok, so your only problem should be the libc difference... what does apt report?
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14:21<gboutwel_>sney: apt-get -t squeeze install -s libdb4.8 reports same error as apt-get install -s libdb4.8
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14:22<sney>gboutwel_: ok, try downloading the deb directly and installing with dpkg -i
14:23<gboutwel_>sney: installing directly works
14:23<sney>but I have to mention that a stable/testing mix is *not* recommended and you will continue to see problems like this
14:23<sney>squeeze and lenny have a few core differences that will always get in your way
14:23<gboutwel_>sney: I understand... but i'm only mixing like 2-3 packages from testing...
14:24<sney>and every time you do it you'll be reducing your system stability
14:24<sney>why bother running stable if you're going to gunk it up? might as well just go to squeeze completely
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14:25<gboutwel_>sney: It's a server... for server i wanted stability, some of the other things I was running didn't fair as well on squeeze (samba for instance)
14:26<sney>ok, so long as you understand the situation you're putting yourself in
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14:26<gboutwel_>sney: so why does installing directly work but 'regular' not?
14:27<sney>also, give aptitude a shot. it has better conflict resolution than apt-get, which often just gives up
14:27<gboutwel_>sney: I understand... at least until the couple of packages I want are moved to stable
14:27<sney>this is a situation where apt-get just gave up
14:28<gboutwel_>sney: I think about using aptitude... I'm going to for minimalist/smallest install foot print so that's why I went apt-get instead of aptitude
14:28<sney>!why aptitude
14:28<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
14:29<sney>it's not synaptic, it's not significantly bigger than the apt- suite or anything. it won't hold your hand or get in your way, it's just an upgrade.
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14:30<gboutwel_>wrong window...
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14:31<firefox>jthomas_sb, ty, sorry for the delayed response.. lunch time here
14:32<firefox>jthomas_sb, let me check
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14:57<Guiiks[bis]>does any teamspeak server about debian exist ?
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15:04<luckrk>hi, Is install ver [AI64] is prefered for code 2 duo T6600 2.20Ghz
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15:06<EagleScreen>luckrk: I think the right is amd64 arch
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15:06<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
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15:07<babilen>luckrk: you can install amd64 and i386
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15:08<kevin>Hello le monde !
15:08<luckrk>amd64 or i386?
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15:08<luckrk>where deference?
15:09<luckrk>both works fine?
15:09<purplecat>Just here to test irssion my Cyrix 6x86 :)
15:09<babilen>luckrk: i386 is 32bit and amd64 is 64bit .. and yes, both work fine. They differ for example in the amount of memory they can address
15:10<EagleScreen>luckrk: amd64 has software compiled for 64 bits processor and i386 has software compiled for 32 bits processors
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15:10<james_>Supposedly 64-bit processors can handle everything at twice the normal speed, but you only see a big difference if you're compiling, usually.
15:11<EagleScreen>some people say that, in threory, amd64 architecture has more perfomance for 64 bits processors
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15:11<babilen>james_: huh?
15:12<luckrk>im not able to compiling jet
15:12<EagleScreen>but there are some software that actually hasn't good support for 64 bits arhcitectures
15:12<BaW>which sucks
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15:12<EagleScreen>many applications need to install also 32bits libraries and use a kind of wrapper to can run
15:12<EagleScreen>many not, but some
15:13<BaW>alot more software dev make 64bit however alot dont
15:13<BaW>i still wish firefox would b in 64
15:13<BaW>i kno u can recomplie it but alot of addons dont work
15:13<james_>That's why I stick with 32-bit, even though my computer can handle 64.
15:14<EagleScreen>some java games designed to run in the web browser won't run in 64 bits
15:14<BaW>true but thats why alot of web web broswers r 32bit
15:14<BaW>windows :( even on the 64bit version runs the 32bit version by default
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15:15<Zhila>hmm.... a wrapper for running 32bit code in 64bit Linux... what would this wrapper be called? LOL? heheheh
15:15<jthomas_sb>firefox figure it out?
15:16<BaW>oo google baby
15:16<jthomas_sb>i don't think thats a very specific term to google for, 'baby' will come up with a lot of results...
15:16<BaW>its sad tho how the world is ... windows should just be killed
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15:19*|JackYF| uses 64-bit Iceweasel, Arora, Konqueror
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15:19*babilen too (-Arora -Konqueror)
15:20<EagleScreen>I am ising 64 bit also, any problem if you do not do strange things
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15:23<BaW>im stuck on osx but at least i got 64bit now on it
15:25<EagleScreen>in debian-multimedia experimetal there is a native 64 bits flahsplayer which works very well
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15:33<bighornram>I installed wine1.1.37~winehq1-1 and when I started it up got a box saying it needed to download gecko, it did that and wouldn't run. I removed and reinstalled wine from the debian repository but now I can't get and executeable to run. I deleted the .wine directory. no joy any suggestions?
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15:40<james_>Tried running it from the command line to see what you get?
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16:13<vixfree>hi all
16:14<vixfree>I here to talk to a programmer?
16:14<stainless> unstable main ^D is not working says something to the fact of not being able to get a key is that update server down?
16:14<james_>vixfree: Any programming language you're looking for, or just logic?
16:15<stainless>Ansi C?
16:16<vixfree>I need to fix the assembly module for the kernel .. : (
16:16<stainless>doh! outta my league
16:16<james_>Mine too.
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16:17<Meths>vixfree: So go to kernelnewbies on OFTC
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16:17<vixfree>sorry .. and where you can chat with?
16:18<stainless>I'm thinking he wants a irc channel for kernelnewbies..
16:18<babilen>vixfree: /j #kernelnewbies
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16:19<babilen>vixfree: make that '/join #kernelnewbies'
16:19<stainless> unstable main ^D is not working says something to the fact of not being able to get a key is that update server down?
16:19<babilen>stainless: what?
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16:20<stainless>Well I added to my software sources and its not getting a valid key to validate from the server
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16:20<babilen>stainless: Could you try: 'http://ftp.<cc>' and replace <cc> with your country code (us, nl, hk, tw, de, ...)
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16:21<stainless>this is the addy I copied and pasted for the unstable release of the code I was looking for
16:22<babilen>stainless: ok, could you paste the error you get on a paste site?
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16:23<stainless>key loading updates
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16:23<stainless>err okay loading updates one moment please
16:24<stainless>thats odd its downloading from debian now.. *shrug*
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16:27<babilen>stainless: You might still want to use a mirror in your country/region -
16:27<stainless>babilen: Here is the error messages from the updater = Ign unstable/^D Packages
16:27<stainless>Ign unstable/^D Packages
16:27<stainless>Err unstable/^D Packages
16:27<stainless> 404 Not Found
16:27<stainless> more to come
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16:27<babilen>!tell stainless -about paste
16:28<stainless>oops sorry
16:28<babilen>stainless: Looks like you have a spurious '^D' in your sources.list - pick a mirror nearby and delete the ^D in your sources.list
16:29<babilen>stainless: You could also paste your sources.list and we can verify that file. Why are you running a development version of Debian anyway?
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16:30<stainless>babilen: I'm not I'm using some software from there can't remember exactly what its for but I'm running Ubuntu 9.10
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16:30<babilen>stainless: What do you want with Debian packages then? Ubuntu is not supported in here and you should *not* mix releases!
16:30<babilen>err, Debian and Ubuntu
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16:32<stainless>Ummm I'm not sure if this was included by Ubuntu release or not but I'm having one hell of a time with the updater hickuping on that error and I'm in the desperate search of a Linux distro that can utilize my video ati radeon x1200
16:33<stainless>may-be there was a dependency in there or something.. Not sure again.
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16:35<stainless>Okay here is a question refering to Debian itself.. Can Debian's Latest release handle my video ATI Radeon X1200?
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16:36<Lethalman>stainless, have you tried radeonhd?
16:38<stainless>Lethalman: I have looked at the website but currently I'm trying to get xorg crack pushers to work, Open Source
16:38<Lethalman>what is crack pushers
16:39<stainless>This Website
16:39<rex1>how come when i connect to an ftp server i can create and open a file, but i cannot save it?
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16:40<stainless>rex1: Permission to save a file?
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16:51<rex1>the ftp user i am connecting with should have permission, i will double check
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17:08<rex1>yes the user should have full privileges. it seems i can create but not save. i am connecting to a godaddy linux server. the client is newly using godaddy hosting.
17:09<rex1>the ftp user i am connecting with is is the primary user created when we setup the hosting account with godaddy.
17:09<rex1>the person i spoke with said i need to adjust the permission in my ftp client
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17:11<rex1>i tried to tell her i think it is a problem with the ftp user's privileges but she disagreed
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17:17<clariosnic>este canal es en espanol?
17:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:18<sney>too slow babilen
17:18<babilen>damn :-D
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17:18<jp-->hi guys. I'm trying to boot an installation using kexec, but I get a kernel panic just after it says "loading root filesystem"... any ideas?
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17:25<jp-->i solved it, thanks anyway
17:26<jp-->i just had to remove the boot=usb parameter
17:26<jp-->i was using that parameter inside --command-line when executing kexec
17:26<sney>good to know, I've never used kexec
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17:31<jp-->sney, just if you want to know more.
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18:13<kardan_>hi, where can I get support to scan with an hp laserjet 3150 over lpt. searching the web did not bring me forward.
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19:20<mantra>help azureus wont start
19:20<mantra>and the bug report says how to fix it
19:20<mantra>but i dont understand
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19:21<mantra>it says
19:21<mantra>After setting the classpath in /usr/bin/azureus manually to
19:21<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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19:22<mantra>but can someone help me and tell how to set the classpath?
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19:29<gsimmons>mantra: By using a text editor to modify the value of JAVA_CLASSPATH within /usr/bin/azureus, as described in the bug report (#568940).
19:34<mantra>ok thanks, i dint realize it was a file
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19:58<bombadil_>hi, what is the command to enter in terminal to make a program use a certain number of the CPU cores?
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19:58<bombadil_>i entered it before compiling my kernel to force it to use all 4 cores
19:59<bombadil_>i now forget the command
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20:00<ananth123>-j4 ?
20:01<bombadil_>i'm not sure
20:01<bombadil_>i don't think that is it
20:02<ananth123>thats for gcc :)
20:02<bombadil_>there's a command that can be entered before you launch a program and it will make the program use X number of cores
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20:07<locklace>bombadil_: what does that mean
20:07<locklace>bombadil_: what's the point of making a single-threaded program run on more than one core
20:08<bombadil_>locklace: when i compiled my kernel the compiler only used 2 cores by default. someone here gave me a command that when entered before running the compiler caused the compiler to use all 4 cores, greatly speeding up the compile
20:08<locklace>bombadil_: make -j 4
20:09<bombadil_>ok that's good to know, however i am not compiling something at this time. i want to try the command with something else
20:09<bombadil_>and that was not the command which was given
20:09<locklace>you're confused
20:09<themill>could also have been CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 make ...
20:09<bombadil_>that's it !
20:09<bombadil_>thanks !
20:09<themill>bombadil_: that won't help you for anything other than "make".
20:10<bombadil_>themill, ok thanks
20:10<bombadil_>too bad heh
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20:13<locklace>that appears to be some flag used by make-kpkg to control the -j argument to make
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21:15<bombadil_>what should i do to begin troubleshooting audio? there is currently no audio on my asus 1005ha netbook
21:15<bombadil_>running Debian Squeeze
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21:16<simonft>bombadil_: do you have alsa installed?
21:16<bombadil_>how can i check? alsa-base is installed
21:16<abrotman>!alsa checklist
21:16<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
21:16<bombadil_>ty abrotman
21:17<bombadil_>lol, "speakers on?" should definitely be #1 on the list
21:17<bombadil_>though that is not my problem here :)
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21:18<acu>I have installed windows xp and squeeze - and the grub does not shows the windows choice at boot - what do I need to do to show windows
21:18<abrotman>bombadil_: the one that isn't there "Are the speakers connected to the output jack" .. which has happened before
21:18<abrotman>acu: os-prober/grub2 ?
21:19<bombadil_>abrotman: how can i check #3, arts and esound stopped?
21:19<bombadil_>as well as #4
21:20<abrotman>bombadil_: ps aux
21:20<abrotman>bombadil_: try #7 as root
21:21<bombadil_>abrotman: it says it played it, but i heard nothing
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21:21<abrotman>bombadil_: laptop? desktop ?
21:21<abrotman>laptop .. make sure it's not muted via some softkey
21:21<bombadil_>netbook, asus 1005ha
21:22<bombadil_>the softkeys do not work
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21:22<abrotman>bombadil_: you checked with alsamixer ?
21:22<abrotman>bombadil_: is linux-sound-base installed ?
21:23<bombadil_>yes linux-sound-base is installed.
21:23<bombadil_>i checked alsamixer and the audio channels are 100% and not muted
21:23<abrotman>bombadil_: what is your DE/WM ?
21:24<bombadil_>what does that mean, abrotman? bear with me
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21:24<abrotman>bombadil_: kde? gnome? lxde?
21:24<bombadil_>oh, LXDE
21:25<bombadil_>LXDE, OpenBox
21:25<abrotman>does it have a headphone jack? do those work ?
21:26<bombadil_>just tested, no doesnt work
21:26<abrotman>that page doesn't mention anything special about sound
21:26<iskra>hey all, i just compiled a real-time kernel and it failed to create a initrd.img --- this is my first kernel compile ever... is there more to do than make install?
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21:26<iskra>hey all, i just compiled a real-time kernel and it failed to create a initrd.img. this is my first kernel compile ever... is there more to do than make install?
21:27<bombadil_>abrotman: yes, i used the installer guide there to install squeeze from the netinstaller. i needed to install just the base system and then manually configure wifi to do aptitude update
21:27<bombadil_>abrotman: is it possible something that should be there is missing?
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21:27<abrotman>bombadil_: sure .. lots of software available
21:28<bombadil_>by that i mean, something vital to audio
21:28<abrotman>bombadil_: and you've tried the softkey mute ? (i only ask because i spent awhile trying to debug sonud once, not knowing that the mute key actually worked)
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21:29<bombadil_>abrotman: i have tried using the softkey and pressing the "volume up" button repeatedly, no effect
21:29<abrotman>bombadil_: does it have more than one sound output device ?
21:30<bombadil_>abrotman: here is the output from amixer:
21:30<bombadil_>abrotman: just the built in speakers and headphone out
21:30*abrotman would turn it to 100%
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21:31<bombadil_>i have since i pasted that lol
21:31<bombadil_>no change
21:31<abrotman>oh ok
21:31<bombadil_>uname -r : 2.6.32-trunk-686
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21:32<bombadil_>i used to have lenny on here and the audio worked 100%
21:33<bombadil_>with no extra configuration
21:34<abrotman>oh, i wonder if it needs firmware .. what is the audio device ?
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21:35<bombadil_>is there a way i can check in terminal?
21:35<bombadil_>i'm not sure what it's called
21:36<abrotman>lspci -nn .. more accurately
21:37<ice2>Dear Sirs, I'm currently using debian 32bit on a amd64 machine, I'm planning to switch to debian 64 but reinstall requires too much work, is it possible to do it by apt upgrade, i.e. 'aptitude dist-upgrade'?
21:37<Nemoder>ice2: no, best to reinstall
21:37<bombadil_>abrotman: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
21:38<Nemoder>ice2: or if you have the drive space create a new partition and dual-boot until you can migrate everything over
21:40<abrotman> can't imagine that requires firmware
21:41<ice2>Nemoder, yes i thought that but too much work, btw can I run 32bit programs on debain64 dist?
21:41<Nemoder>ice2: the kernel can, but you will need 32bit libs for most of them. there is an ia32-libs package that has the common ones but not all
21:42<iskra>abrotman: what is the issue? (came in late)
21:42<abrotman>sound no workie!
21:42<abrotman>not my sound
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21:42<iskra>that was supposed to be pointed at bombadil
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21:43<abrotman>bombadil_: look through 'dmesg' .. see if it's obvious
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21:45<bombadil_>abrotman: sheesh it's pretty long, is there an area in this output that i should be looknig for specifically?
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21:45<abrotman>bombadil_: the part about the sound :)
21:45<Nemoder>ice2: it isn't terribly hard to migrate, you can run dpkg --get-selections > mylist.txt to save a list of all installed packages, then --set-selections to import it on the new system, then just copy over backed up home folder
21:46<Nemoder>ice2: in general there really isn't much advantage in 64bit over 32bit though
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21:47<abrotman>bombadil_: it's usually pretty early .. first 1/3 or so .. look for Intel for the start
21:47<bombadil_>abrotman: i see some stuff about HDA intel. seems fine
21:47<the_ultimate_samurai>can someone please help me, i need to install opengl or do something so i can get 3d hardware acceleration...but im terrible with opengl (we have never gotten along, its like i touch it, it breaks and never works again)
21:48<ice2>Nemoder, I used process intensive apps, so 64 bit might help, btw u talking migrate, meaning I don;t have to re-install?
21:48<abrotman>bombadil_: lsmod | grep oss ?
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21:48<Nemoder>ice2: no you'ld have to reinstall but i mean a method to copy over old settings
21:48<the_ultimate_samurai>see it was working til i installed compiz, and compiz installed some OTHER opengl thing which never worked, i tried uninstalling it and reinstalling my working opengl thing (i think mesa) and i think i musta hurt its feelings because it doesnt wanna work anymore
21:48<bombadil_>abrotman: that output nothing
21:49<the_ultimate_samurai>(i think compiz used nvidia-glx even though i dont have an nvidia card...)
21:49<ice2>Nemoder: oh i c, so 32bit progs on debian 64 is not fully supported, yes?
21:49<abrotman>bombadil_: that's good
21:50<bombadil_>abrotman: darn thought we were onto something ;)
21:50<Nemoder>ice2: all debian packages have a 64bit version, but proprietary stuff you would need to make sure you have the libs for
21:52<Nemoder>ice2: for example I have a 32bit game that is binary release only, it depends on the a 32bit libsndfile that isn't available in 64bit debian so I had to manually copy the library into /usr/lib32/
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21:52<bombadil_>abrotman: yes it's working !
21:52<bombadil_>abrotman: i had to manually install alsa-utils, reboot, and more devices were present. the speakers were muted
21:53<bombadil_>thanks for your help you guys are the best
21:53<abrotman> bombadil_ uh .. wasn't that #1 ?
21:53<abrotman>oh, it' snot in there
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21:53<bombadil_>it's #2 but i had to reboot to make the devices show up
21:53<bombadil_>i know it's my fault,
21:53<bombadil_>sorry to waste your time :(
21:54<pipe>rebooting is so windowsy :(
21:54<abrotman>well, he could have done it another way .. but that's not important
21:55<bombadil_>bonus question: is there a way to set the terminal command history size?
21:55<bombadil_>i want to basically retain all commands entered (not sure if it does that by default)
21:55<bombadil_>i.e. never delete the oldest ones, unless i say to clear the cache
21:57<abrotman>bombadil_: man bash .. not sure if you set HISTSIZE to 0 if that might do it .. i'm skeptical
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21:59<bombadil_>thanks abrotman :)
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22:04<bombadil_>i have manually installed a program. to launch the program i need to type the absolute path to the program. how can i set it so that the program's name alone will launch it?
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22:05<pipe>bombadil_: Best option is to create a symlink in /usr/local/bin/
22:05<pipe>bombadil_: (imho)
22:05<bombadil_>pipe: thank you
22:05<erick1138>help in monodevelop
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22:07<erick1138>thank you bombadil
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22:10<pipe>hm, should sleep. came here to ask a question but the answer I will get will be too much work :P
22:10<bombadil_>nite :)
22:12<bombadil_>pipe you still there ?
22:12<bombadil_>i created the symlink and it works fine, but the program can't find it's config files
22:12<bombadil_>must i in some way symlink the config files ?
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22:19<tom4golf>bombadil: why not just create an alias in your bashrc
22:19<pipe>bombadil_: That would be messy, sounds like a badly written program, at least not written with linux/unix in mind
22:20<pipe>bombadil_: Instead of a symlink in /usr/local/bin/ you could create a small bash script there, that will start your program with the correct environment and flags
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22:40<opticon>is their away to rename account root
22:42<opticon>i have openssh webfacing see alot of random hits trying to login with root
22:42<abrotman>you can name it whatever you want
22:43<TCW>opticon, imho best practice is to forbin root login via ssh and only use su / sudo
22:43<opticon>whats odd is first login attempt was made with name im using on irc
22:44<abrotman>he could also change the port
22:44<TCW>opticon, next idea would be to not use the default port
22:44<abrotman>or use fail2ban
22:44<TCW>abrotman, somewhat I have to agree on that ;)
22:44<abrotman>which or all? :)
22:45<opticon>im only connecting to my ssh server from one location with static ip so i modified firewall rule to only accept connections from a specific remote ip address
22:45<abrotman>okay, so what's the problem ?
22:45<TCW>abrotman, I guess you could go on and on and I would still agree... so prolly all :)
22:46<opticon>havent tested it yet to see if it works
22:46<opticon>could i get someone to try and connect to my ssh server
22:46<TCW>opticon, IP address? We could try to login
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22:47<TCW>either it is a very very busy line or it will timeout shortly :)
22:47<TCW>sh: connect to host port 22: Connection timed out
22:48<TCW>ahh, there it is
22:49*abrotman reports TCW
22:49<TCW>opticon, do you log iptables? So was there an entry for my login attempt?
22:49<abrotman>TCW: could you uh ... /nick TCBY ?
22:49<TCW>abrotman, huh?! :)
22:49<TCW>abrotman, pleeeease! -vv! :)
22:50<opticon>may take a moment to find
22:50<opticon>been awhile
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22:50<TCW>Even if explaining jokes sucks like hell, otherwise I will never get a feeling for the english / american casual language :)
22:51<TCW>brb... need a fork
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23:01<opticon>tcw can you try connecting again
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23:04<TCW>opticon, done
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23:21<dpkg>hello, d3co
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23:22<d3co>where can I get mariadb ?
23:22<d3co>for my sourcelists xD
23:22<streuner>d3co: /msg dpkg search
23:23<d3co>aptitude search xyz
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23:39<opticon>tcw you get my message?
23:40<opticon>was one of those hits from you?
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23:43<kop>If I've installed something from bpo and want to go back to lenny I can just re-install the package, right?
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23:52<kop>Humm, it seems not that easy. Simply installing does nothing because the packages are already installed from bpo. But removing the packages (one is a library) breaks things. What to do? Is the best option to force the remove and then re-install? Then there's dependency questions. A number of dependences got installed from bpo. I thought apt-cache would be the tool to use to find stuff from bpo, but I just skimmed the man page and don't see anything.
23:53<streuner>well, what kind of package is that, btw?
23:54<dpkg>Cya, d3co
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23:54<kop>streuner: I installed dia and libcairo2 from bpo. libcairo2 installed some other libarary or something. Dia just dia-common and other dia-* so that's easy.
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23:55<kop>streuner: But I'd like to use bpo a bit more so would like to figure out the general case.
23:57<kop>streuner: Installing libcairo2 from bpo installed libpixman-1-0 also. (I still have the scrollback in the xterm.)
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