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---Logopened Tue Feb 16 00:00:13 2010
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00:00<kevix1>jar: yeah, can play all sorts of old-school games
00:00<snogglethorpe>hm, does have an analogue of freenode's "ALIS" thing, for listing channels in a less nutty way than /list?
00:00<jar>kevix1: it can run Windows 3.11 and lots of interesting apps too
00:00<TCW>jar, sure about the win3.2 thing?
00:00<kevix1>jar: yup. all those 'unsupported apps'
00:00<TCW>3.1 even
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00:01<jar>TCW: yup
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00:01<jar>TCW: got a fully installed 3.11 setup w/ dosbox
00:01<etzerd>sney: here's the result: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 0046 (rev 12)
00:01<kevix1>etzerd: sorry about that. I was going to ask what the top line was.
00:01<sney>etzerd: heh, I saw.
00:01<TCW>jar, may I see a screenshot? :)
00:01<sney>and when you paste big things, use
00:01<jar>TCW: Sure :)
00:02<etzerd>kevixl: you see the result of 'xrandr'?
00:02<etzerd> 640x480 0.0
00:02<kevix1>etzerd: I saw enought of it to know that the max was 1024x768
00:02<etzerd>how can I change that?
00:02<kevix1>etzerd: are you running sid?
00:02<etzerd>I'm running debian 5.04
00:03<kevix1>etzerd: that command only lists what your system can do.
00:03<sney>a newer kernel from bpo might give you what you need
00:03<kevix1>sney: that is a great idea.
00:03<TCW>sney, any prolly a newer xorg is also needed I guess
00:04<sney>hopefully backports has both
00:04<etzerd>ok guys, talk to you tomorrow,
00:04<etzerd>it is midnight now on the east I have to go to bed and go to work to
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00:05<TCW>jar, holy moly! :)
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00:05<jar>TCW: Kind of an abomination, but a sexy one ;P
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00:05<TCW>jar, hehe, true! :)
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00:05<jar>TCW: Win 3.11 can run IE5 I believe.
00:06<jar>I should try that..
00:06<TCW>jar, who does need THAT? :)
00:06<jar>Mad men.
00:06<jar>Like me.
00:06<jar>Just the idea of running IE in DOSBox intrigues me.
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00:07<jar>TCW: It was very easy to setup, just extracted an ISO to a directory, let DOSbox mount that dir, ran the Win3.11 shell installer, voila.
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00:08<jar>excellent place to get utilities to test w/ dosbox
00:08<TCW>jar, I see no reason why it shouldn't be that easy :)
00:08<jar>TCW: in the past it required a lot of odd hacks
00:08<jar>now it just works
00:09<jar>i use dosbox more often than i do FreeDOS w/ VirtualBox because of how well DOSBox intereacts with the host OS
00:09<jar>e.g. it's extremely simple to mount dirs
00:09<TCW>jar, I only had some issues with sound
00:10<jar>yeah, it can be a 'gotcha' sometimes
00:10<TCW>but did not check recently
00:10<jar>its kind of interesting how many dos utilities are still being updated
00:12<jar>obviously if i wanted a CLI experience i'd just use linux
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00:58<astronut>wtf? microsoft actually tells you to install moonlight
00:59<jar>microsoft <3's mono
00:59<astronut>so i see
01:00<jar>they're like BFF or something
01:00<astronut>i guess to avoid anti-competitive whatever
01:00<jar>how is that not anti-competitive?
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01:00<jar>either way you're using their technology
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01:02<kevix1>at one time smb was a MS-only technology, and someone made samba. so this is similar.
01:02<jar>are you trying to defend moonlight? i can't tell
01:03<jm_>not really, they went to great lengths to try and cripple samba compared to their offerings, so far it doesn't seem to be true with this stuff
01:03<jar>Everyone knows Miguel de Icaza has been trying to be a Microsoft lapdog since the mid 90s
01:04<jar>he just didn't have a degree so they couldn't sponsor his visa
01:04<kevix1>well someone would say that having something that is compatible leads to dependency and some would say that have the option is a positive for the user
01:04<jar>so open source was his second choice
01:04<jar>meh, i've yet to find a situation where i'd even consider installing moonlight
01:04<jar>so im good
01:04<kop>astronut: It's called EEE. Embrace, extend, extinguish. See the Combes MS email archives at
01:06<astronut>kop: heh
01:06<astronut>jar: i guess translucent technology, open implementation is better than closed technology and closed client (flash)
01:06<astronut>jar: olympics
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01:07<kevix1>I await html5/ogg to replace flash!
01:07<jar>astronut: i dont like sports
01:07<kop>astronut: So it's ok then? Sorta like a little bit pregnant?
01:07<jar>i dont have very much nationalistic pride either
01:07<jar>so i dunno
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01:08<kevix1>its about alternatives. if you have none, then you are pushed one way.
01:08<strayhyena>i'm running ubuntu right now and I'm wanting to install debian. The problem is once Debian is installed the wireless doesn't work, and that means I cant download anything to enable wireless, which makes me stuck. Is there something I can do to enable wireless?
01:09<gsimmons>strayhyena: What is your wireless device?
01:09<jm_>download it where you can and install stuff manually
01:09<strayhyena>it complains about a firmware at install
01:10<gsimmons>strayhyena: You can supply that at installation time ; /msg dpkg installer firmware (not that WPA is not supported by Debian-Installer)
01:10<gsimmons>s/not that/note that/
01:10<kop>strayhyena: If wireless works with the installer you can use the install disk as a rescue cd and then install a newer kernel from (if you need it to support newer hardware.) Otherwise you can in general debug the problem from there.
01:10<kop>strayhyena: But follow gsimmons advice.
01:12<astronut>i think he got through the install
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01:12<astronut>so you can just install the firmware later
01:12<astronut>you want the firmware-iwlwifi package out of non-free
01:14<svksrz>After installing Debian Lenny Net Install on a Compaq Presario 2100 laptop, /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb is being screwy - I am trying to dist-upgrade to Squeeze, something about me needing to upgrade kernel along with udev?
01:14<svksrz>It says to run "apt-get -f install" with no packages named to fix this - and when I do it says that it's uninstalling udev in order to install udev and fails with the same problem.
01:15<svksrz>This seems like a common upgrade SNAFU, does anybody know what's going on here or how to get around it?
01:15<strayhyena>hmm, ubuntu supposedly uses free drivers for the wireless card but debian does not. can I use free drivers for my card?
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01:15<gsimmons>strayhyena: The iwl3945 driver is part of the 2.6.26 kernel.
01:16<astronut>gsimmons: but the driver still needs the firmware
01:16<astronut>binary blob, etc, etc
01:16<gsimmons>astronut: So? It's still a free driver.
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01:16<astronut>gsimmons: oh, i missed a line
01:17<astronut>strayhyena: the driver is free, but there is software that runs on the card itself that is stored in non-volatile memory so it has to get loaded on boot
01:17<jm_>svksrz: did you check BTS?
01:17<astronut>that software is non-free (it's a very small binary blob) - ubuntu redistributes that blob but debian keeps it in non-free
01:17<strayhyena>astronut, that makes sense now
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01:18<svksrz>jm_ I am looking at stuff now, lots of people with this problem but haven't found a fix yet - I am still looking now in less obvious places
01:18<astronut>strayhyena: anyway, the package you want is firmware-iwlwifi, it's part of debian non-free so you should be able to install it easily with a usb key or something
01:18<astronut>or just plug into a wired ethernet connection for a few minutes if you can
01:19<gsimmons>svksrz: Also ask dpkg about squeeze udev.
01:19<strayhyena>do I just download the deb file and install?
01:19<astronut>svksrz: i remember seeing a FUCKED: udev in the topic of #debian-devel the other day, it may not have propogated fix to testing
01:19<astronut>strayhyena: yep
01:20<astronut>strayhyena: though you might want to consider adding non-free to your sources.list so you can get updates in it
01:20<svksrz>gsimmons; THANK YOU
01:20<kop>strayhyena: Better to install from the repos using aptitude or whatever just like any other package. (Boot from the cd in rescue mode to do this need be.)
01:21<astronut>kop: sounds like he has a system, just offline
01:21<astronut>kop: i pointed him at the .deb...
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01:21<kop>astronut: But he was online to install. So he can re-run the installer in rescue mode and be back on-line and work from there.
01:21<strayhyena>i'm getting it from the package from debian's package thing
01:21<strayhyena>the webpage
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01:22<astronut>kop: why go back into the installer? he has a working system without networking, he installs the package and he has networking
01:22<astronut>why mess around w/ rescue mode
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01:22<kop>astronut: Ok. But in the general case installing .debs is a bad habit.
01:22<astronut>kop: it's a one-time setup thing, and why do you think he was online to install?
01:22<jm_>so we should not install anything then? :)
01:24<kop>astronut: Install .debs directly and you may not be getting stuff from debian repos, so you're not letting debian do systems integration and your on your own with security updates, system upgrades, etc. and it's up to you to make sure everything works together.
01:24<astronut>kop: wtf? he's downloading it from
01:24<kop>astronut: Also, you want to maintain the auto/noauto flags used by the higher level tools.
01:24<astronut>and then adding it to his sources.list
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01:24<astronut>the auto flag is somewhat valid
01:24<astronut>but manually installing a driver from the debian repos isn't going to kill you
01:24<kop>astronut: I said it'd work in this case.
01:25<strayhyena>can't I just set the auto flag manually? synaptic lets me do that
01:25<kop>strayhyena: Sure.
01:25<astronut>strayhyena: sure
01:25<astronut>or just apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
01:25<astronut>whatever program you use
01:25<astronut>it'll just say "blah is the latest version. blah set to manually installed"
01:25<astronut>kop is severely overreacting
01:25<strayhyena>i'll just go ahead and try it and see how it goes
01:26<astronut>strayhyena: it'll work just fine
01:26<astronut>it's by far the cleanest solution, kop is taking some general advice to the extreme
01:26<astronut>and his advice isn't even neccesarilly going to work
01:26<kop>astronut: It's a pet peeve. Newbies are always going around the net installing random software, either as .debs or with ./configure;make;make install, and then wonder why things break later or their system turns to muck. It's a habit leftover from managing MS systems where you've no choice but to get drivers or whatever from whereever.
01:27<kop>astronut: Yes. I'm overreacting.
01:27<astronut>kop: ok, but your solution involves him making a driver disk w/ the udebs, going back into the install environment, and still won't work if he uses WPA which is pretty much standard everywhere
01:28<astronut>whereas mine has him download and install a file from debian and moving on with his life
01:28<astronut>he never said he had connectivity in the installer
01:28<astronut>and to use firmware during the install process you have to actually unpack it and such
01:28<astronut>and it's copied manually into the folder
01:29<astronut>and still not managed by the package manager
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01:34<strayhyena>can I install a ubuntu package into debian?
01:34<jar>hm, chatroulette is very creepy..
01:34<jar>strayhyena: typicall, yes
01:34<astronut>strayhyena: "it depends" but for what reason?
01:35<kop>strayhyena: Only if you want to support it and keep it working with the rest of the system.
01:35<svksrz>deb sid is down until further notice? How else is the easiest way (apt-get?) to upgrade to kernel 2.6.27
01:35<strayhyena>i'm wanting to install the newer version of the flash plugin but adobe only offers a deb for ubuntu, or should I just get the tar
01:35<jm_>svksrz: why not use 2.6.32?
01:36<jm_>strayhyena: did you check what d-m is offering?
01:36<astronut>strayhyena: flashplugin-nonfree in non-free will just install the latest version from adobe's site for you
01:37<svksrz>jm_ Didn't read anywhere that 2.6.32 would fix my udev problems after an upgrade.. dpkg: As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required
01:37<kevix1>for my wifi card, I needed a non-free package called 'firmware-ipw2x00'
01:37<jm_>svksrz: note or newer
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01:37<svksrz>jm_ My apologies
01:39<kevix1>strayhyena: you can use the ubuntu live cd as a way to get the firmware (tar.gz or deb) and then save it to your HD, then boot into debian, install, and then wifi
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01:40<strayhyena>do i need to reinstall it from the debian repository to make sure it's compatable afterwards?
01:41<strayhyena>oh you meant use it as a source of internet
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01:42<kevix1>strayhyena: yeah, as a means for temp. net access
01:42<strayhyena>what is debian designed to be used for?
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01:43<sney>sometimes it's a little annoying to get it installed, especially with tricky or very new hardware
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01:43<kevix1>you want to install debian, but the design is to be as free as possible, and as such the installer does not contain non-free bits but can install non-free bits if you supply them.
01:44<svksrz>jm_ ; Sorry to be such a bother with this... "xserver-xorg-core: Depends: udev (>= 149) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is to be installed" is the error I get when I try to apt-get install the linux-image 2.6.32
01:44<svksrz>It's not that I am too lazy to google this, it's just again with the udev
01:44<jm_>svksrz: do you have squeeze repository in sources.list?
01:45<astronut>kevix1: it's in non-free
01:46<svksrz>I can see the image .32 with apt-cache no problem
01:46<svksrz>Patch to .32 and the .32-486 for older computers, which is what I would need
01:46<kevix1>astronut: I meant the way d-i can use a usb/sdhc/floppy disk.
01:46<astronut>kevix1: oh, it doesn't use the debs
01:46<astronut>kevix1: if you're already installed ,you can just install the .deb out of non-free
01:46<jm_>svksrz: what does 'apt-cache policy udev' say?
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01:47<kevix1>astronut: yeah, I did that.
01:47<strayhyena>can debian read from ext4? just read?
01:47<dpkg>[ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). #ext4 on
01:47<kevix1>astronut: are you saying that the installer images have non-free in sources.list?
01:47<astronut>kevix1: nope
01:48<svksrz> jm_ thank you for helping with this
01:48<astronut>i was answering your first satement, but i misread 'needed' as 'need'
01:48<svksrz>Apt-get and google are all I know until I get better, for sure.
01:48<kevix1>strayhyena: not sure what you mean. who else can read ext4 images from the linux kernel (not sure about bsd folks)?
01:48*astronut shrugs - when i get a laptop i do a netinst using wired (faster anyway) and install the firmware w/ apt once the system is installed, then switch to wireless
01:48<astronut>i think that's the easiest solution
01:48<jm_>svksrz: so try apt* install linux-image-... udev
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01:49<svksrz>jm_ Brilliant..........
01:49<jm_>svksrz: just out of curiosity, are you using aptitude or apt-get?
01:50<svksrz>jm_ using apt-get
01:51<jm_>svksrz: right, I think using aptitude would offer you this solution without doing anything special
01:52<kevix1>jm_: maybe dselect :)
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01:52<jm_>heh I remember multiple runs of dselect on debian from infomagic 1994 cd-s to sort things out
01:52<svksrz>jm_ Understand, I read something looking for my fix that Aptitude was the proper vessel for installing this -- thanks for all your help, I'll see if this works
01:52<jm_>svksrz: no worries
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01:57*astronut got into debian right at the end of dselect
01:57<astronut>though i still have the floppies i used to install woody somewhere
01:58<astronut>i used like 2 and copied over them repeatidly as i kept switching them
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02:05<rektide>suggestions for running xorg 7.5? i suppose i could jhbuild it from source, dunno if there's s marter easier way.
02:05<jar>why do you need 7.5?
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02:06<jar>i guess if you can't find someone who builds the debs for you
02:07<jar>you can just compile it yourself
02:07<jar>but that'd be kind of a PITA
02:07<rektide>i'll probably try just deploying the XSF build system. probably the best means, although i'm not sure how they sync with upstream.
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02:07<jar>well, rektide
02:07<jm_>7.5 is in testing
02:07<jar>the problem with doing xorg outside of apt is that apt will be unaware of your xorg version all together
02:07<jar>well there you go
02:08<jar>the last time i even bothered to know my version of X11 was when the switch from XFree86 to Xorg took place.
02:08<jar>heh heh
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02:09<rektide>oh sigh. it is right there.
02:09<jar>it happens to the best (and worst) of us
02:09<rektide>i may none the less try to deploy the XStrikeForce's build system on my laptop
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02:10<jar>i get sad when claws doesn't find any new email
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02:39<meglaw>does anyone use centerim? i cant work out how to re-ask authorztion for msn contacts
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05:14<oz7t>is gcc the same compiler as in ubuntu?
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05:16<jm_>oz7t: in general yes
05:17<oz7t>jm_ thanks how do i make simpli graphic in this compilrt ??
05:17<jm_>oz7t: I don't understand your question
05:18<oz7t>jm_ i have made a litlle parallel program for my port and all leds are workink ok
05:19<oz7t>jm_ i wolds make a frame around
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05:19<jm_>oz7t: around what?
05:20<oz7t>jm: around my litlle program a window round my program if you understend my question.
05:21<oz7t>jm_i am not specially good in englich hihi
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05:22<Nabilou>Hi all, I can't run ./configure in lenny
05:22<oz7t>jm_ i would like to make two horizontial and two wertical lines
05:22<Nabilou>I've got this message : configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
05:22<Nabilou>Do you have any idea?
05:23<jm_>oz7t: one can draw a simple frame using extended ascii characters or by writing a program for graphical displays
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05:23<oz7t>jm_ yes but i would like to go in a graphical mode
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05:24<oz7t>jm_ i can draw ...................................................... but thats not good
05:25<jm_>oz7t: use something like sdk, or even gtk/qt for simple stuff
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05:25<jm_>oz7t: not sdk but SDL
05:25<oz7t>jm_ i have fuond that prgram but thats not good
05:26<jm_>oz7t: then find whatever suits you
05:26<oz7t>jm_ yes i will try but as newbeginner it's difficult hi hi
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05:29<oz7t> posibble to translate in other laguages
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07:03<Nabilou>Hi, I can't compile with my debian lenny, I get this message :
07:04<Nabilou>checking for gcc... gcc
07:04<Nabilou>checking for C compiler default output file name...
07:04<Nabilou>configure: error: in `/usr/src/asterisk-addons-':
07:04<Nabilou>configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
07:04<Nabilou>See `config.log' for more details.
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07:04<Nabilou>and config.log ends with "configure exit 77"
07:04<jm_>do you have both g++ and gcc installed?
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07:05<jm_>heck just do it:
07:05<jm_>!b-e Nabilou
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07:05<Nabilou>jm_, yes both are installed
07:05<jm_>apparently not - install build-essential
07:05<Nabilou>it's installed to
07:05<jm_>if that doesn't help you need to look in config.log and see what exactly fails
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07:20<Ketsa>hello, i just installed debian on a box with an ATI (hd4550) card, problem is scrolling a web page up or down is extremely slow. any ideas ?
07:20<jm_>which driver is it using?
07:21<Ketsa>I tried "ati" or "radeon" and cant see any difference.
07:22<locklace>Ketsa: what version of debian
07:22<jm_>isn't that a r7xx series card?
07:23<Ketsa>no, its a radeon HD4550
07:23<jm_>ahh more recent versions support r7xx too
07:23<jm_>yes, it's rv710 apparently
07:25<Ketsa>thats right.
07:25<locklace>Ketsa: you should use radeon and not radeonhd
07:26<locklace>Ketsa: have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree?
07:26<Ketsa>no, I need it ?
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07:26<Ketsa>i'll try with radeon and the firmware, thanks )
07:27<daq>i just did an upgrade of grub2 and grub-pc and got "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `damocles-root`" "Auto-detection of filesystem module failed." can someone help me? (unstable)
07:28<jm_>good stuff if I get new work machine with 4550 ;)
07:29<jm_>please let me know how it works
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07:35<rulus>Hi, I try to report a bug, but my e-mail doesn't seem to arrive properly. I don't get a confirmation e-mail and my report doesn't show up in the list. I'm using reportbug with the direct smtp option; someone an idea what might go wrong?
07:35<Ketsa>scrolling is still slow.
07:35<locklace>Ketsa: what kernel version
07:36<petemc>rulus: do the logs of your MTA show the mail as delivered?
07:36<locklace>judd kernel --release squeeze
07:36<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5)
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07:36<locklace>Ketsa: you're not up to date
07:36<petemc>rulus: oh, you're not using your MTA i take it..
07:36<rulus>petemc: correct :)
07:37<Ketsa>i'll try 2.6.32
07:37<petemc>rulus: does the reportbug process report the mail as delivered?
07:37<locklace>Ketsa: make sure the rest of your squeeze is up to date too. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
07:38<rulus>petemc: no, it doesn't, but it doesn't say it wasn't.. I'm using reportbugs cc option, and that mail does arrive however
07:38<Nabilou>jm_, Here is the first error in config.log : gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
07:38<Nabilou>Please submit a full bug report.
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07:39<Nabilou>*gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
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07:40<Ketsa>Thanks all, works great now.
07:41<locklace>!congratulate Ketsa
07:41<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Ketsa, you did it!
07:42<locklace>Nabilou: either your os, your gcc install, or your hardware is fucked
07:42<locklace>Nabilou: can you compile hello.c
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07:43<jm_>Nabilou: do you see a test program it uses?
07:43<Nabilou>locklace, with "gcc -v hello.c" command?
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07:47<locklace>Nabilou: echo 'main() { puts("hello world\\n"); }' > hello.c ; gcc -o hello hello.c ; ./hello
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07:50<Nabilou>locklace, gcc -o hello hello.c returns "gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)
07:51<locklace>Nabilou: reinstall all the build/compiler packages you have installed
07:51<Nabilou>locklace, I will
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07:54<jm_>Nabilou: do you see anything strange in dmesg?
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07:58<Nabilou>jm_, nope nothing strange :)
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08:01<jm_>Nabilou: sounds similar to my work box when I added two memory modules, it became unstable as hell, couldn't compile anything
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08:03<locklace>gcc is still the most reliable online memory tester there is
08:03<jm_>indeed, showed a problem for me where memtest simply passed
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08:55<Guest180>K MIERDA
08:55<Guest180>DE CHAT
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09:07<ike> hola
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09:13<amdgoon_>what is the best way to get 2.6.3 kernel on lenny? I used to use that site but it is down.
09:13<amdgoon_>I mean 2.6.32 kernel
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09:14<jmm>amdgoon_: you can still download the source and compile it yourself.
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09:18<amdgoon_>right, but I don't wish to go through the config options. Way too many for me to understand. :-)
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09:21<jmm>hehe, it's possible to use the configuration of your old kernel,
09:21<jmm>trough new options will still have to be setuped.
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09:25<amdgoon_>right. I really liked that kernel-archive site. You could pull in different versions with apt-get, grub was happy, reboot and test the new kernel in about 5 minutes. bummer that it is no longer maintained. Maybe the maintainer got sick of the .config files, lol.
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09:39<Cadmium01>Why does the Update Manager say files in the update list are not Authenticated?
09:40<Cadmium01>How can I ensure I receive authenticated packages?
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09:43<marcot>Cadmium01: you must upgrade the debian-keyring package.
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09:46<Cadmium01>marcot, if it needs to be upgraded why is it not in the pdate list?
09:46<Cadmium01>*update list
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09:47<marcot>Cadmium01: sorry, the correct package is debian-archive-keyring.
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09:48<Cadmium01>marcot, is there a way to check what else needs to be upgraded on the system?
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09:48<marcot>Cadmium01: That's what update manager is for. You can use apt-get, aptitude or others, but they'll do the same thing.
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09:49<Cadmium01>marcot, then why does the debian-archive-manaer does not appear in update list?
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09:49<Cadmium01>marcot, if you had not told me, how would I know it needs to be upgraded?
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09:50<marcot>Cadmium01: I don't know then, it should be listed.
09:51<marcot>Cadmium01: Are you using only the official repositories?
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09:53<Rovanion>Lads, it seems like nothing that I put in the touchpad part of my xorg has no effect at all. What could be wrong?
09:54<jmm>wrong xorg.conf ? :)
09:54<SNIPER0215>I would like to help but i've never heard of it nor do I know what a xorg is.
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09:55<Rovanion>Well here it is in a pastebin:
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09:57<Rovanion>Just added the error that I get when I try to launch gsynaptics, clearly points out that Xorg.conf isn't read correctly.
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09:58<Rovanion>Or is it so that I need some additional firmware?
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10:02<marcot>Rovanion: I haven't seen the error in that link. And I don't think this is related to firmware.
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10:04<Rovanion>Well I updated it, so it should be on the same adress but her it is the current adress again then:
10:04<Rovanion>Its right on the top of the bin
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10:07<Cadmium01>Guys, when you update packages with Update Manager, does it list files as Not Authenticated?
10:07<Rovanion>Is there something in the section that's missing? Maybe something pointing at the device in /dev or something like that.
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10:08<somatiq>hi all
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10:08<somatiq>does anybody have an old version of Any Color You Like icon theme?
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10:15<marcot>Rovanion: Have you tried with SHMConfig "true" instead of "on", as it's suggested?
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10:17<Rovanion>marcot, Oh I have tried both values. I actually have both values in there at the same as you would have seen if you looked at the paste.
10:18<marcot>Rovanion: I don't know much about xorg.conf.
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10:19<marcot>Rovanion: Are you sure it's reading this file? Try to make a syntax error in it to test if it'll fail with a different message.
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10:19<cobra-the-joker>Hey guys ...can i use openbox with gnome ?
10:19<jeff_hann>cobra-the-joker, yes
10:20<cobra-the-joker>jeff_hann , how can i ?
10:20<jeff_hann>install gnome and openbox
10:20<Rovanion>marcot, I have edited settings for my graphicscard/screen that have worked perfectly well. It's jsut the synaptics section that seems to be unread. Or could there be something in KDE overruling these options?
10:20<jeff_hann>then select from your display manager gnome/openbox
10:21<cobra-the-joker>aha ...ok
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10:22<marcot>Rovanion: have you tried removing the "SHMConfig" "on" line?
10:23<Rovanion>marcot, I have before, but I could always try it again. It is so that I have to restart Xorg for it to take effect right?
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10:24<marcot>Rovanion: Yes. I'd try the syntax error to see if the file is really being read first.
10:25<SQlvpapir>did anyone release a 802.11n non-pre chip yet?
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10:25<mix22891>Please! how do i fix the sound?
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10:27<mix22891>Where i setup drivers please ?
10:27<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
10:28<mix22891>i can't anderstand this. im new at ubuntu
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10:29<petemc>mix22891: you need to ask in an ubuntu channel then, #ubuntu
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10:30<mix22891>ok thanks
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10:30<Rovanion>Xorg failed to launch when I added a random aoeu in the xorg. I removed the shmconfig on option, yet no cigarr
10:31<mix22891>how to join channel?
10:31<Rovanion>mix22891, /join #channelname
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10:35<SNIPER0215>Can I post links?
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12:18<mezzor>francovalledor: Hej :)
12:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:19<francovalledor>do you speak spanish?
12:19<karme>francovalledor: there is also #debian-es
12:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:20<francovalledor>thank you
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12:25<lancelot_of>if i use alien to convert rpm to deb, i get "error: incorrect format: unknown tag
12:25<lancelot_of>" but the deb package is build. any suggestion to fix this annoying message?
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12:27<sundaymorning>I want to have my custom motd file, should I just comment out the motd updating lines in /etc/init.d/
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12:31<bja>sundaymorning: try "man motd"
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12:32<sundaymorning>hm, didn't help much, I'm affraid :(
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12:33<bja>sundaymorning: ok edit the file /etc/motd.tail and put there your motd which you need to be persistent
12:33<sundaymorning>but there's one line that I can't get rid of
12:33<sundaymorning>doing that
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12:34<bja>sundaymorning: try to look for it on /etc/motd
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12:36<sundaymorning>well /etc/init.d/ updated /etc/motd with uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd I can't get rid of that by editing /etc/motd.tail
12:36<sundaymorning>I got to edit /etc/init.d/
12:36<sundaymorning>I see no way out
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12:41<amdgoon_>sundaymorning: has a brief statement in 9.1.1
12:42<amdgoon_>/etc/default/rcS file can be used to customize boot-time defaults for motd, sulogin, etc.
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12:44<sundaymorning>"The EDITMOTD variable is no longer used."
12:44<sundaymorning>seems that's not longer an option
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12:47<sundaymorning>I guess another option is to change /etc/motd to point somewhere else
12:47<amdgoon_>just curious: are you running lenny?
12:47<sundaymorning>it seems rather strange to me that it points to /var/run/motd. It seems to be some new debian policy, but it looks very awkward to me
12:48<sney>I'm sure it makes a alot of sense and is extensively documented ...somewhere.
12:48<sney>whenever I see a weird policy change I search the mailing list archives
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13:03<debianite>Hi, any of you running java6-plugin on Squeeze amd64?
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13:04<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:11<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I'm not sure I agree with that policy.
13:11<debianite>ok then, java6-plugin ins't working in squeeze amd64, any idias why?
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13:12<luislyx>anybody do raid with debian
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13:12<debianite>java6-plugin ins't working in squeeze amd64, any idias why?
13:12<themill>debianite: "not working" in what way?
13:13<karme>luislyx: yes
13:13<debianite>themill: inside icewasel
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13:13<themill>debianite: I still might have some chance of knowing what you're asking about. Please try to be more vague if possible.
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13:14<themill>!java ipv6
13:14<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
13:14<luislyx>raid in debian
13:14*themill takes a wild stab in the dark based on zero useful information
13:14<kmap>themill: Sarcasm isn't easily undersyood, esp. by non-native English speakers.
13:14<debianite>themill: no need to be sarcastic, java apps dont work on icewasel
13:14<luislyx>how setup raid in debian
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13:15<karme>luislyx: select in in the installer
13:15<karme>~s/in in/it in/
13:15<luislyx>i have server with six disk
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13:16<luislyx>how i have install debian
13:16<debianite>kmap: I'm not a native english speaker but I get sarcasm and arrogance when I see it
13:16<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
13:16<karme>luislyx: software raid or hardware raid?
13:16<luislyx>hardaware raid
13:17<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). See <sata faq>.
13:17<luislyx>waht is difference
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13:18<bja>luislyx: hw raid is done through "special hardware" and software raid emulates this hardware behaviour
13:18<bja>installing and configuring is done in very different ways
13:18<themill>debianite: "does anyone use" followed by "it doesn't work" has still not provided us with anything useful to help you. You've been around in #debian long enough to know that we need information to be able to help you and that we shouldn't need to ask basic questions like "what's the error message" or "in what way doesn't it work".
13:18<luislyx>configure by hardware and the configuration this for software?
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13:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:19<luislyx>how a raid 5 with six disk and install debian and i have setup raid tools for configure the raid
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13:24<slonbg>hi. i'm using etch install with 2.6.8-3 kernel. sources-list points to etch repositories. i did apt-get update. now i want to install ntp and ntp-date. when i run apt-get install ntpdate, among other things it asks to remove the kernel-image-2.6.8-3, case-config and initrd-tools. this looks very odd, as it will basically remove the running kernel. how do i fix this (install ntp, but not...
13:24<slonbg>...remove the kernel)?
13:25<babilen>Why do you install etch?
13:25<slonbg>babilen - its and old install, running for years. it runs my db, and works ok. i just want to solve the time sync issue
13:25<slonbg>babilen - there's no reason to upgrade
13:26<babilen>slonbg: You know that security support for etch ended on the 15th?
13:26<themill>slonbg: there actually is a reason to upgrade as etch security support has now finished. In the meantime, the output of your apt-get run would be handy.
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13:27<slonbg>babilen, this is internal server, used only for deployment testing of our apps. it works ok, no security risks (at least external). I'm pasting the output ...
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13:30<slonbg>btw, 4.0 is etch - right?
13:30<slonbg>thats what i have in debian-version
13:31<slonbg>ok, i'm pasting the sources-list as well
13:32<babilen>and 'apt-cache policy'
13:32<amdgoon_>slonbg: I can see why you are concerned.
13:33<amdgoon_>you don't have another newer kernel installed by chance?
13:33<themill>slonbg: the fact that you're running a sarge kernel with etch can't help, it has to be said.
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13:33<babilen>,versions kernel-image
13:33<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kernel-image' was found.
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13:33<slonbg>hmmm, how this could happen ...
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13:33<babilen>ok - I think etch kernel was .18, wasn't it?
13:33<themill>slonbg: the fact that you're running a sarge kernel with etch can't help, it has to be said.
13:34<amdgoon_>is 2.6.18 installed?
13:34<babilen>yes: 2.6.18+6etch3
13:34<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
13:35<slonbg>i posted apt-cache policy and dpkg -l | grep kernel-im
13:35<babilen>When was initrd deprecated exactly?
13:35<themill>it's linux-image-* not kernel-image-* in etch
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13:37<slonbg>i have only linux-image-headers dor 2.6.18 installed. real mess. so, someone (maybe me:) ) has done what? how do i get out of this situation?
13:37<themill>Installing the linux-image-686 package should drag in the current kernel for you
13:37<babilen>I would install a recent linux-image (for etch-n-half) and reboot
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13:38<themill>131 other packages want upgrading there too... lots of updates not installed. Quite possibly not even finished sarge->etch
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13:40<slonbg>what if i change the repo to sarge and try just use ntp from there? i dont want to mess with this server right now, as i'll need to stop people from working.
13:40<slonbg>i gues it would not hurt if i try
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13:41<babilen>It will probably not work.
13:41<babilen>Is this an important server?
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13:41<slonbg>testing db. just that the time ofset become big, and confuses the testers
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13:42<babilen>slonbg: You should upgrade all packages and install a recent kernel. You'll have to reboot for that ..
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13:43<slonbg>i guess i can manually fix it for this current moment, and upgrade/fix later. is there a way to check if this is really a partial update from sarge to etch. and, will just dist-upgrade solve the problem - at least to upgrade properly to etch?
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13:43<babilen>If you can't do that right now, forget about ntp and wait.
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13:44<babilen>slonbg: Paste the output of 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade'
13:44<bremner>I'm thinking about buying a dell poweredge 2970 with "PERC 6/l" hardware raid and Broadcom 5708 NIC. Aside from needing firmware for the NIC during the install, any horror stories? The wiki entry looks reasonable hopeful. Unfortunately (or not?) its Dell or nothing.
13:45<slonbg>babilen: done
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13:46<jhutchins_lt>bremner: Do they sell that one with Linux?
13:46<babilen>slonbg: Where?
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13:46<Titan8990>bremner, my 2750 runs great, i didn't have that NIC though
13:46<babilen>Which version of libc6 do you have installed?
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13:47<Titan8990>bremner, not sure baout the 2970, but linux was officially supported for 2750 (might have just been red hat however)
13:47<slonbg>babilen: libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa
13:48<babilen>slonbg: That server is half-way between sarge and etch. You *really* need to complete sarge->etch and etch->lenny
13:48<babilen>slonbg: But at least sarge->etch
13:49<slonbg>its done just by dist-upgrade right, as far as the sources-list points to etch?
13:49<slonbg>is there a way to "pin" (not-upgarde) mysql while doing this?
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13:50<babilen>slonbg: Which version of MySQL do you have installed now?
13:50<babilen>And yes, you could try to pin the version ... But hey 4.1 is ancient :-)
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13:50<babilen>!tell slonbg -about pinning
13:51<slonbg>mysql 4.1.11a-4sarge. It serves a legasy (I hate this) app, and I should not break it
13:51<babilen>But *I* would really start to start planning these updates. Your version of Debian is not really supported anymore.
13:52<babilen>slonbg: So you need *exactly* MySQL 4.1.11 ?
13:52<slonbg>I know for sure that 5.0 breaks it ...
13:52<babilen>Becaus your legacy application fail horribly with any other (4.1.*) version?
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13:52<slonbg>i'm not sure. but it will be too late if i upgrade :)
13:53<babilen>I guess that is some horribly maintined in-house application and nothing you should file a bug against?
13:53<babilen>ok - upgrade at least to etch.
13:53<slonbg>ok, on prod i have 4.1.13, and it works, so this is the most i know
13:53<babilen>but given that security support ended for etch, you should consider upgrading to lenny too.
13:54<amdgoon_>slonbg: maybe you can clone the drive without taking it down, if you have netcat on there, then experiment?
13:54<babilen>And you *will* have to upgrade to MySQL 5.* anyway :-)
13:54<babilen>slonbg: And you can always install a deprecated version of MySQL locally and run that
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13:55<slonbg>yeah guys, i know. if i had 6 hands ... :). anyway, thanks for the help. at least i know the situation better now. and have to just figure out when i'll have time to mess with this. i'll propose pure reinstall witn new ver of debian, and old ver of mysql.
13:56<slonbg>thanks again
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13:56<amdgoon_>goog luck slonbg
13:57<slonbg>ty :)
13:57<babilen>slonbg: It is not really a surprise given that etch has been released in 2007
13:57<babilen>good luck :-)
13:57<noobinhere>is there a recommended method to list the installed packages and output the listing to a file?
13:57<babilen>noobinhere: Whatfor?
13:57<slonbg>noobinhere, i usually use dpkg -l >myfile
13:58<babilen>slonbg: That includes more information that just the package names
13:58<babilen>!installed packages
13:58<dpkg>To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
13:58<babilen>noobinhere: What do you need this list for?
13:59<slonbg>i'm too early in my development to use awk :)
13:59<amdgoon_>there is a --get-selections option for dpkg
13:59<noobinhere>babilen, i'm trying to install sid using debootstrap and i wanted to compare it with a squeeze install
14:00<babilen>noobinhere: compare what exactly?
14:00<babilen>installed package names?
14:00<babilen>automatically installed packages and manually installed ones?
14:00<babilen>noobinhere: Use the command above to get the names.
14:01<bremner>jhutchins_lt: in priciple, but not in my "contract" at $WORK
14:01<bremner>oh, wait. You can order with Suse or RedHat
14:02<bremner>or Solaris, if you are insane :)
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14:04<macramole>hi, i'm having trouble booting a sarge fresh install.. can anyone help me ?
14:05<macramole>it has some trouble with acpi but if turn it off it can't boot either way
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14:07<cesurasean>for the love of god, it would be wonderful if i could get dovecot to function properly. connection successfully, but unable to get any emails delivered.
14:08<macramole>i'm not sure is sarge sorry.. I've just downloaded the netinstall at the debian webpage
14:08<zulu>hi I have a pb with my nfs mount, owner in a folder have the same uid on the two machine but on the client, I see owner as 4294967294
14:08<macramole>i thought sarge was the stable one
14:08<zulu>(I use the nfs-user-daemon
14:08<babilen>macramole: no, lenny is the stable one. Sarge was released in 2005 :)
14:08<macramole>haha sorry i used to use that one back in 2005 :S
14:09<babilen>macramole: could you provide some details about the issues you run into?
14:09<babilen>cesurasean: #dovecot @ might help as well
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14:09<macramole>babilen, grubs appear, i select the kernel which came with the installation and it freeze quite quickly... if i choose the single mode i can see its freeze when its initializing acpi or something
14:10<cesurasean>babilen, they aren't very helpful. i was hoping some people in here could give me a hint.
14:10<babilen>cesurasean: Have a look at the log files - you might find some errors there
14:10<cesurasean>i have tailed the log files for days, even with verbose turned on.
14:10<macramole>babilen, im on a ubuntu live cd right now.. i vim menu.lst and add acpi=off.. but its freeze too.. when something like TIMER appear
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14:11<macramole>babilen, maybe i should used amd64 debian but i thought i was going to have some trouble with it
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14:12<babilen>shouldn't make a difference. What is your hw?
14:12<macramole>babilen, whats hw sorry ?
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14:13<babilen>hardware ;-)
14:14<macramole>babilen, um :P i'm using a packard bell notebook with an amd 64 bits processor
14:14<babilen>something like laptop model
14:14<babilen>which one exactly?
14:14<babilen>I am not sure what might cause that error. I would google for installation reports for your hardware platform.
14:15<mezzor>Hej people, could anyone suggest a graphical tool similar to filelight (i.e. for visualizing disk usage), but without all the KDE dependencies?
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14:15<babilen>You say that Ubuntu LiveCD works perfectly on that notebook?
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14:15<macramole>babilen, let me check it out
14:15<macramole>babilen, HERC0
14:15<babilen>macramole: You had any problems during the installation? Is this the first reboot after the installation?
14:16<macramole>babilen, yes its working perfect
14:16<macramole>babilen, first reboot
14:16<macramole>babilen, no problems during graphic installation
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14:18<macramole>babilen, im searching a webpage with my notebook specs
14:18<noobinhere>babilen, dpkg is not quite clear. <aptitude clone> method gave less results than <debian clone> method. no i didn't tested them on the 2nd machine. do you think that they both will give the same result in the end?
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14:19<noobinhere>or to to say it different, even if <aptitude clone> method gives less results than <debian clone>, considering the dependencies & all, will the final result be the same no mather which method i use?
14:19<babilen>macramole: How new is that notebook? (I could not find any information about HERC0)
14:19<macramole>babilen, i bought it brand new last year
14:21<babilen>and The Ubuntu live cd is working without a problem?
14:21<macramole>babilen, no problems at all, even my soundcard is working which i though it wouldnt
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14:21<babilen>ok - You might want to install Debian with a newer kernel
14:21<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
14:21<babilen>and see if you run into the same problems
14:22<macramole>the one with my installation isn't the last one ? i burned today
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14:23<macramole>its the 2.6.26-2-686
14:24<babilen>noobinhere: didn't you say that you just want to compare the installed package names?
14:24<babilen>macramole: There are newer kernel than 2.6.26 - It's just that 2.6.26 is the kernel version shipped with stable
14:25<macramole>babilen, ok, i can put a new kernell chrooting from my live cd, can't I ?
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14:25<babilen>install the one from backports
14:25<babilen>!tell macramole -about bpo
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14:26<macramole>babilen, alright i will do that... one last question, should i try amd64 or should i stick to 686 ?
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14:26<babilen>up to you :-)
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14:27<macramole>babilen, ok i will try 686 and in the future ill try amd64.. my non working debian system has downloaded 32 bits apps any way
14:27<babilen>you could install an amd64 kernel and keep your 32bit userland if you want to
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14:28<macramole>babilen, well, i will put both and see if that works..
14:28<babilen>good luck
14:28<macramole>babilen, thank you very much ! i hope i can switch back to linux !
14:29<babilen>I hope so too - come back here or to #debian @ if you can't get rid of the problem
14:29<babilen>(more people over @ freenode)
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14:47<rise_up>its so boooring
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14:50<noobinhere>babilen, not just to compare. the scope is to get a sid install as close to squeeze, but the output of the listing method was different that's why i asked.
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14:51<rise_up>anyohne have tagged?
14:52<babilen>noobinhere: That's why I asked you what you need the output for
14:52<Waxhead>For some reason UBUNTU software center is now on my desktop and gnome depends on it. I am fully aware that I am running testing but what is Ubuntu stuff doing in the debian repository?!
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14:53<noobinhere>babilen, hehe, i thought i said why.
14:53<babilen>noobinhere: I would use the aptitude clone method, as this differentiates between automatically installed packages and manually (explicitly) installed ones
14:54<babilen>must have missed that - or misunderstood you :-\
14:54<rise_up>i dnt like this
14:54<babilen>rise_up: Do you have a Debian related question?
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14:56<noobinhere>babilen, no worries. i still don't understand what is the difference between the least i'm not sure. hehe
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14:57<noobinhere>aren't the packages installed during install marked as automatically installed? i've used the testing netinstall
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14:57<babilen>no - automatically installed packages are those packages that are installed as dependencies (or recommends) or packages you want to install
14:58<babilen>They will also be deleted whenever you remove the package that pulled them in
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15:02<jhutchins_lt>bremner: The reason I ask is because if Dell does sell it with Linux - or even with no OS - it's usually a good sign that the hardware's well supported. If they only sell it with Windows it's iffy. (Besides which, why pay for Windows?).
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15:03<bremner>jhutchins_lt: good point in general, although maybe in this case less convincing than an entry on
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15:04<cobra-the-joker>Hey Guys .... i have apache installed and working ..... but when i open iceweasel .... it doesnt open .php files ...instead it asks for download
15:04<petemc>machines with windows are often cheaper due to the crap software they can preinstall
15:04<petemc>cobra-the-joker: did you install
15:05<cobra-the-joker>petemc , its working in epiphany
15:05<petemc>oh, thats odd
15:05<jhutchins_lt>cobra-the-joker: You have not set the propper handler for PHP, or have not restarted the server.
15:06<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , as i told you ...the server is working in epiphany browser .... but the problem in iceweasel !!!
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15:07<jhutchins_lt>cobra-the-joker: Well, good luck with that. PHP happens on the server.
15:07<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , i cant open .php files in iceweasel :(
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15:08<jhutchins_lt>Of course you can't.
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15:08<cobra-the-joker>ofcourse ?!?!
15:08<jhutchins_lt>php doesn't open in browsers, it runs on the server.
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15:09<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , i meant the .php file on the localhost
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15:09<jhutchins_lt>cobra-the-joker: php runs on the server and generates HTML, which is sent to the browser.
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>Browsers don't reneder PHP, servers do.
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: More properly yes.
15:11<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , i didnt tell you that i am interpretting anything in the browser .... i just cant view .php files in my localhost in iceweasel
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15:12<cobra-the-joker>when i am about to open any .php file .... it attempts to download
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15:12<Titan8990>cobra-the-joker, he was trying to explain to you how it actually works, which it seems you didn't pick up on very well
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15:12<Titan8990>cobra-the-joker, that is because your webserver is failing to interpret it
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15:13<Titan8990>!php wants me to download still
15:13<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
15:13<cobra-the-joker>Titan8990 , the server is fine ...epiphany works
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15:13<Titan8990>cobra-the-joker, clear your browser cache, it does cause some issues if its not working -> try it -> fix it -> try it again
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15:14<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: I don't know if he's trying to read the PHP code, or if he expects it to render something from a local PHP file.
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15:15<jhutchins_lt>cobra-the-joker: iceweasel/firefox don't know how to display php code.
15:15<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, he expects it to be rendered, and we had a specific factoid for him :)
15:15<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, "!php wants me to download still"
15:15<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Yeah, but he said it was a local file.
15:16<Titan8990>im pretty sure he just means that the server and client are on the same box
15:16<jhutchins_lt>cobra-the-joker: How does epiphany display it? As text?
15:16<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , it displays the output on epiphany
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15:16<cobra-the-joker>Titan8990 , and its working after clearing the cache
15:17<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: If you try to open a local file of unknown type on a browser, it will ask if you want to download/save it.
15:17<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, right
15:17<jhutchins_lt>Perhaps epiphany has a php interpreter.
15:17<cobra-the-joker>jhutchins_lt , i meant in the localhost
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15:18<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, i have seen the problem before. example: your setting up apache but forget to install libapache-php5
15:18<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, you try to view it, it doesn't render, so you install php5 module and reload the apache server. the browser still will not accept that it works until the browser cache is cleared
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15:20<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Familiar with that.
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15:20<jhutchins_lt>Doesn't seem to be what he's doing.
15:20<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, does to me... and he said that clearing the cache fixed it
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>Too many pronouns.
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15:39<macramole>babilen: my debian is working thanks :)
15:39<macramole>babilen: im using a 486 kernel
15:39<rybi_olej>hi, my machine is Debian Lenny, I just wanted to know whether I can use Python 3 or not.
15:40<rybi_olej>or at least can I install?
15:40<macramole>babilen: 2.6.30-486
15:40<babilen>rybi_olej: download it from, compile it yourself, install to /usr/local and everything should be fine
15:40<babilen>macramole: the -686 did not work?
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15:40<rybi_olej>so, is that easy?
15:40<macramole>babilen: didn't try it.. the amd64 didn't work
15:41<macramole>babilen: later on ican try the 686, i thought it was the same
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15:41<babilen>macramole: I would try the -686 in due course
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15:41<babilen>macramole: anyway - great :) enjoy it
15:41<cobra-the-joker>HEy guys ... is there is any program for making movable pictures
15:41<babilen>rybi_olej: I don't think it's that hard.
15:41<rybi_olej>@babilen, Just compile and install it, is that all?
15:42<rybi_olej>@babilen thank you
15:42<babilen>rybi_olej: You will need to install a couple of -dev packages and build-essential to get all the modules, but it's not hard. Just follow the INSTALL in the python tarball
15:42<macramole>babilen: ok thanks again! bye
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15:42<babilen>rybi_olej: What do you need python3 for?
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15:42<rybi_olej>@babilen, I need it for learning
15:43<babilen>you want to start learning python now?
15:43<rybi_olej>@babilen, yes
15:43<Titan8990>babilen, many don't include a INSTALL file... they assume you know distutils already
15:43<babilen>Titan8990: not for python itself
15:44<Titan8990>babilen, i ran into that with quite a few python modules i was installing the other day
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15:44<Titan8990>babilen, right, python modules, installed with distutils
15:44<Titan8990>babilen, they just assume you know to `python install`
15:44<babilen>rybi_olej: 2.X will be with us for quite some time. You might want to consider learning 2.6/2.7 too
15:44<meglaw>is there a way to get the output from sensors (lmsensors console), configure a max temp alarm and get that to mail me somehow or maybee type it out on irc
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15:44<babilen>Titan8990: I know ;-)
15:45<rybi_olej>@babilen, I'm just reading a book that says, with their book, it need pyhon 3
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15:46<babilen>rybi_olej: alright - but note that there are very few libraries that support py3 yet and #python does not support it
15:46<noobinhere>babilen, thanks.
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15:46<babilen>rybi_olej: Apart from that it is a great python version and I would use it whenever I could :-D
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15:47<zumbi>hi! someone knows if I can run debian-installer locally? like executing an binary
15:48<babilen>rybi_olej: But just use it if you want to. You should be able to compile it. If you run into problems ask here agains, ok?
15:48<zumbi>i usually use TFTP, CD or other external devices to run d-i
15:48<rybi_olej>@babilen, yeah! :) thank you babilen, I will use current version ahead with that book, if really need python 3, I will skip that lessons or exercises and
15:48<Titan8990>zumbi, you can use deboostrap for installing in a chroot, if thats what your after
15:48<rybi_olej>@babilen, aha, ok
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15:49<zumbi>Titan8990: that is what i have been doing, but I was wondering if I could use d-i instead
15:49<babilen>rybi_olej: That won't work out - There are a lot of differences between 2.X and 3.X (print "hello world" vs print("hello world")
15:49<Titan8990>zumbi, don't think so
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15:49<zumbi>that's a pity
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15:49<rybi_olej>@babilen, really! :O
15:49<babilen>rybi_olej: If the book uses py3 you'll have to use py3 as well - But it shouldn't be that hard to install yourself.
15:50<babilen>rybi_olej: yes
15:50<rybi_olej>@babilen, well, ok then
15:50<rybi_olej>I will install py3 :)
15:50<babilen>rybi_olej: Just try it - If you run into problem -> come back
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15:50<rybi_olej>thanks a lot :)
15:51<rybi_olej>@babilen, bye for now and have a good time :)
15:51<babilen>you too
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15:51<babilen>have fun with python - i would still recommend to learn 2.X
15:51<rybi_olej>yeah ..
15:52<rybi_olej>I have some try out experience with 2.X
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15:52<rybi_olej>@babilen, especially 2.5 and 2.6
15:53<rybi_olej>there wasn't problem
15:53<babilen>but if you just do it for fun, learn py3. The only problem is that a lot of libraries do yet work with py3, which means that a bunch of programs do not run with py3 as well. But it's certainly a release that fixes a bunch of things that were annoying with 2.X (unicode for example)
15:54<babilen>ah, do what you want - have fun ;)
15:54<rybi_olej>@babilen, thanks, yeah I will try, let's see what happens :D
15:54<rybi_olej>ok then, bye :)
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15:59<babilen>peach: welcome
16:00<peach>kien eres?
16:00<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
16:00<peach>abla alguien eespañol?
16:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:01<peach>aki abla alguien español?
16:01<babilen>Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
16:02<babilen>comprende ^^^^^ ?
16:02<peach>no se donde es
16:02<peach>donde tengo que ir?
16:02<babilen>peach: stop it please
16:03<babilen>If you need help, ask in English
16:03<babilen>or go to #debian-es
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16:04<peach>no se ablar muuy bien ingles
16:04<peach>mas o menos
16:04<peach>aunque saco sobresaliente
16:04<babilen>stop it please
16:05<peach>do you ander stand?
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16:05<babilen>there is #debian-es on too
16:05<babilen>no, i don't understand
16:05<peach>im sorry
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16:06<peach>im very sorry
16:06<babilen>it's not a problem, but the language of this channel is English. There are #debian-es on this network and on too (the freenode one is larger)
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16:07<peach>no,i know
16:10<babilen>peach: do not /msg me (/j #debian-es)
16:10<peach>no i know
16:10<babilen>peach: do *NOT* /msg me (/join #debian-es)
16:10<peach>no know
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16:14<peach>where are
16:15<peach>help help
16:15<babilen>stop it
16:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:15<babilen>ask a question if you have one
16:15<dkr>weird, his spanish isn't even spanish. i.e. 'ke' instead of 'que'. 'aki' instead of 'aqui'. I suspect a troll
16:16<dkr>or maybe that's the spanish version of 'u' instead of 'you'? heh
16:16<peach>no know
16:16<peach>im very sory
16:16<peach>i cryng
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16:19<peach>lo siento pero no se como hacerlo
16:19<amphi>/join #debian-es
16:20<peach>but where is?
16:21<peach>de window?
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16:24<babilen>peach: type '/join #debian-es'
16:25<peach>no sale
16:25<jar>wtf is going on in here
16:25<peach>in internet?
16:25<peach>in google?
16:26<jar>the place in which i asked the question would be the most obvious answer.
16:27<babilen>anybody know where I can find information about LSB headers for init scripts that are needed for dependency based boot?
16:29<cesurasean>how do you resize a raid?
16:30<locklace>babilen:, surprisingly enough
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16:31<locklace>!ops peach twonking out
16:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: peach twonking out
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16:31<cesurasean>let me better word that. is there a way to shrink a raid 1 array?
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16:32<babilen>locklace: thanks - that document changed a little since the last time i read it. :-D
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16:39<Pitxyoki>Does anyone know if it is possible to have scp with the dropbear package at the Debian repos?
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16:44<Santa_>hey whats up
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17:02<izzyb>is there a way to install a threads free version of perl in debian lenny
17:03<izzyb>via repositories I mean. I know I could compile my own
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17:28<usuario>k edad teneis?
17:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:29<bja>!tel cristina about es
17:29<bja>!tell cristina about es
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17:29<cristina>k? yo no entiendo ingles ok?
17:30<jar>i don't know spanish
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17:30<cristina>oh no!
17:31<jar>ho noes
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17:31<cristina>nadie entiende español??
17:31<bja>cristina en tu cliente dale las siguientes teclas /j #debian-es
17:32<bja>Te va a abrir otra ventana ahí puedes hablar en español
17:32<cristina>j #debian-es
17:33<bja>te faltó la diagonal
17:34<meglaw>how do i reload webalizer config?
17:34<meglaw>i cant find anything cohherent on google
17:34<cristina>k diagonal?
17:34<cristina>me entendeis??
17:34<cristina>avlais español?
17:35<bja>no cristina, aquí no se habla español, solo habemos si acaso unos cuantos
17:35<bja>y por favor pasate a #debian-es
17:36<cristina>pero a donde le doy?
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17:36<bja>en donde estas tecleando
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17:38<bja>cristina: copia y pega lo que esta entre comillas "/j #debian-es"
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17:40<cristina>no me sale na de copiar!
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17:41<migue_>soy nuevo aqui :)
17:42<cristina>ola yo tamben
17:42<themill>migue_, cristina: /join #debian-es
17:42<noflash>yes indeed
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17:42<bja>migue_: Si sabes cambiarte de canal cambiate a #debian-es por favor
17:43<migue_>sip gracias
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17:43<cristina>sk no se cambiarme
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17:45<cristina>stoy ya??
17:45<cristina>no verda
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17:45<themill>cristina: /server ; /join #ubuntu-es
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18:01<code>hola cristina
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18:06<bja>code: she finally left
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18:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:11<code>alguem fala portugues
18:11<bja>!tell code about br
18:11<bja>!tell code about pt
18:11<bja>!tell code about es
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18:14<captainkamm>anyone have any experience getting debian to dualboot on a mac (10.5.1)
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18:15<sundaymorning>poor code, all he wanted was a little brazilian love :(
18:16<zobel>captainkamm: yes, install refit
18:16<zobel>captainkamm: and
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18:17<captainkamm>zobel: I've followed the wiki article info for installing on a mac, but grub and lilo both fail to boot
18:17<captainkamm>zobel: usually with a kernel panic message about unable to mount filesystem
18:17<zobel>uh? did you run gptsync?
18:18<code>brasil é tudo de bom
18:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:19<amphi>zobel: d'oh :)
18:19<zobel>amphi: ;)
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18:19<bja>code: /msg dpkg en
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18:20*themill is assuming that a portuguese-speaking person with a portuguese IP probably wants #debian-pt
18:20<captainkamm>zobel: yep, I ran gptsync and finished the installation from there, getting lilo on /dev/sda3 and all that jazz
18:20-!-mode/#debian [+o zobel] by ChanServ
18:20-!-mode/#debian [+v code] by zobel
18:21<bja>zobel: +v i think he can post to the channel quite nicely
18:21<bja>i believe you ment +q
18:21<captainkamm>zobel: refit recognizes the partition but when I try to boot, it seems like lilo is trying to mount the filesystem on (hd8,2) which obviously doesn't exist
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18:22<@zobel>bja: no, in this is the indicator that the guy talking didn't follow instructions that he was told
18:22<sundaymorning>nah, zobel is assuring him he can keep on talking
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18:23<@zobel>captainkamm: lenny, squeeze, sid?
18:23<bja>zobel: Nice to know, but since banned tor its been quite some time i haven't been there
18:23<themill>zobel: +v being documented where?
18:24<@zobel>themill: +v is a pseudo-mode used in
18:25<bashar>Hello there
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18:26<captainkamm>zobel: lenny. And my interpretation of the error messages might not be the best. I usually stay in userland, not near the kernel, but it looks like a couple of init scripts are failing before the kernel panics
18:26<bashar>i nedd help
18:26<bashar>i need help
18:26<bja>!tell bashar about ask
18:26<sundaymorning>+v means voice. People who are going to be banned are given voice so they can explain their case just before the inevitable ban. The procedure has its roots on the witchcraft trials.
18:27<bja>!beere sundaymorning
18:27<locklace>!beer sundaymorning
18:27*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Bornem Tripple for sundaymorning
18:27<bja>!beer sundaymorning
18:27*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Bornem Tripple for sundaymorning
18:27<@zobel>captainkamm: can you reboot into the d-i cd, and use rescure instead of install?
18:27<Thulsa_Doom>hey folks, i'm a current crunchbang (ubuntu) user looking to get a distro that's a little more barebones which i can customize to my liking... i'm looking over the debian website and i'm wondering if that'd be the way to go... i want something that is very light on pre-installed applications and able to have openbox and tint2 installed without conflicting with anything
18:28<@zobel>captainkamm: and then fix the grub/lilo settings?
18:28<bja>Thulsa_Doom: You came to Debian's support irc channel, Can't you gues the answear anyone will give you ?
18:28<bashar>i have a question abt kernel update
18:29<sundaymorning>hehe :)
18:29<bja>bashar: shoot
18:29<bashar>this my first time on IRC channels
18:29<bashar>can i ask then ?
18:29<@zobel>bashar: don't ask to ask
18:29<@zobel>just do
18:30<@zobel>if someone knows the answer, he/she will speak up
18:30<bashar>i want to compile new kernel for Debian Lenny
18:30<bashar>the current version is 2.6.26
18:30<bja>judd: kernels
18:31<bashar>i wanna compile a 2.6.32 raw kernel
18:31<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-2-686 (2.6.32-8); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1)
18:31<@zobel>!tell bashar about backports
18:31<@zobel>!tell bashar about
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18:33<captainkamm>zobel: how do you boot it into rescue? when I boot I get the refit screen and picking the CD dumps me to the debian splash screen, the one with the install/graphical install options
18:33<Thulsa_Doom>bja: well, obviously you folks are going to support debian.. my question is if debian is actually what *I* am looking for. like you don't download kubuntu if you want a super streamlined minimalist desktop environemtn
18:33<sundaymorning>you can compile a new kernel and make grub point to it. It should load just fine. A few programs may misbehave on a new kernel, though. So keeping the old one around is a good idea.
18:34<@zobel>captainkamm: instead of "install or install64" you usually can enter "rescue" there
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18:38<bja>Thulsa_Doom: afaik you can do a minimal initial install and from that point you can add whatever *you* see fit, you are the one who will use the machine :)
18:38<captainkamm>zobel: I don't get a prompt at all (installing from DVD if that makes a difference) just the visual menu with install, graphical install and (I think) advanced options
18:39<@zobel>ah. press tab IIRC, then you get the "normal" prompt
18:39<@zobel>there you can say "rescue"
18:40<Thulsa_Doom>bja: that's what i was hoping for. so many linuc distros i see are just overlaoded with abunch of stuff that i have no actual use in using, and going about replacing everything makes me wonder why i don't just find somethign abrebones to start with and build up from htere
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18:40<@zobel>don't want to reboot my macbok now, otherwise i would loose my conversation with you now.
18:41<captainkamm>zobel: I assume it's going to give me sh? And where should I look for the lilo config files?
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18:45<captainkamm>zobel: thanks
18:46<captainkamm>zobel: I'll give it a whirl and we'll see how it goes
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19:21<themill>!spank bja
19:21*dpkg bends bja over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
19:21<themill>bad bja!
19:22<bja>!beer themill
19:22*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for themill
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19:23<captainkamm>can anyone explain the error message I got when trying to boot using lilo
19:23<abrotman>which is?
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19:24<captainkamm>kernel panic — not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,3)
19:24<gkahla>anyone know of a good curses app for managing wifi networks on debian?
19:24<abrotman>that's not a lilo error usually
19:24<abrotman>captainkamm: did you compile your own kernel ?
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19:26<captainkamm>abrotman: I'm using the current lenny distro, I'm just trying to get it up and running on a macbook. Installation completes successfully, but this is the error I get when I try to boot from refit. (And afaik, I followed the directions of the wiki page step for step)
19:27*abrotman knows nothing of refit
19:27<bja>captainkamm: i guess zobel is the local mac expert around
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19:28<abrotman>captainkamm: but is it your own kernel ?
19:28<captainkamm>bja: yeah, I was hoping he might still be around
19:28<@zobel>hd8,2 sounds terrible wrong
19:29<bja>abrotman: captainkamm is having a troublesome fresh install on a macbook
19:29<@zobel>ah... 8.3 sounds like sda3
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19:30<@zobel>which is not that wrong.
19:30<@zobel>kernel tells you about major,minor numbers.
19:30-!-mode/#debian [-o zobel] by zobel
19:30<zobel>captainkamm: are you sure your / is on sda3?
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19:36<captainkamm>zobel: yes. And when I looked at /etc/lilo.conf in the rescue mode shell I made sure that was where it was pointed (I don't have a /boot partition, just another small swap space after the debian partition)
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19:37<krislappy>hmm, how come X -version is showing v 11.0 while Xorg is showing 11.7 ?
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19:55<gkahla>krislappy- what does your Xorg.log tell you about the version?
19:55<bja>Is the babelfish module on dpkg working?
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20:30<puyover>can somebody help me with TTYs?
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20:31<puyover>can somebody help me with TTYs?
20:32<gsimmons>Pitxyoki: Yes, you need to install the suggested openssh-client package.
20:33<puyover>I can't change to any TTY with alt+ctr+F#
20:33<puyover>the screen keep frozen
20:33<puyover>but if I press alt-ctr-F7 I can recovery the control
20:34<Pitxyoki>gsimmons, thanks.
20:34<Pitxyoki>That's what I did.
20:34<Pitxyoki>I was trying to find a ligher package to get scp.
20:35<puyover>any help?
20:36<adb>reboot help?
20:37<puyover>I installed debian testing today and the only problem I have is that...
20:38<adb>how you installed without working tty ?
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20:39<cesurasean>im having problems booting because of grub for some reason. my server just keeps rebooting though, so where do i find these logs?
20:40<adb> /msg dpkg bootlog
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20:42<cesurasean>adb, that seems to be outdated, and does not offer anything to me.
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20:44<adb>outdated what ?
20:45<dpkg>it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
20:45<adb>cesurasean, time to learn to message the bot
20:46<abrotman>though i'm not sure how it's supposed to help him ...
20:46<abrotman>cesurasean: it's rebooting when?
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20:46<cesurasean>it says loading grub
20:46<cesurasean>then reboots
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20:47<abrotman>adb: will the bootlog help him?
20:47<abrotman>cesurasean: what if you choose a different kernel ?
20:47<cesurasean>im not able to choose anything.
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20:47<cesurasean>it just reboots after saying loading grub..
20:48<abrotman>have you tried a grub floppy/cd ?
20:48<abrotman>did it used to work ?
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20:49<cesurasean>and it boots fine with grub super disk
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20:49<cesurasean>ive reinstalled grub-pc, still not working.
20:49<cesurasean>it was working fine until i took my raid apart. now, it's not.
20:50<cesurasean>i see the error, sometimes, but not long enough to write anything down before it reboots.
20:50<cesurasean>seems to be related to the hard disk & grub.
20:52<raylu>dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, perhaps
20:53<raylu>also, the error might be logged somewhere in /var/log/
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21:01<cesurasean>i've ran dpkg-reconfigure many times with no success. i don't see anything in /var/log, and ive tried booting into another kernel with no success when pressing keys, or commenting out kernels.
21:02<cesurasean>the problem seems to be related to grub-pc.
21:02<cesurasean>and maybe the fact that i had a mdadm raid config.
21:03<raylu>is this grub or grub2, btw?
21:03<cesurasean>i've removed the grub directory using remove --purge, everything.
21:04<cesurasean>it seems to be the way grub lists the hard drives to be loaded.
21:04<cesurasean>perhaps UUID error?
21:04<mikegrb>UUID IS DEVIL
21:05<cesurasean>thanks for pointing that out, mikegrb
21:05<cesurasean>can i use grub on squeeze to see if i can get the older grub to boot?
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21:06<raylu>grub-legacy, i think
21:06<cesurasean>what i really don't understand is the grub super loader boots it fine, but does say something about error 6?
21:07*simonrvn wonders how UUIDs can be some imaginary enemy thing
21:07<Guest268>They're the devil because one wrong character blows everything up and they're not at all intuitive.
21:08<raylu>yes, but it makes more sense to mount devices by uuid than by letter and number assigned in increasing order
21:09<Guest268>For the bootloader, yes. For the person controlling it, not so much.
21:09<raylu>for me. i just copy/paste uuids
21:09<raylu>i don't see how you can be off by a letter
21:10<cesurasean>what about changing superblock? i think i changed something when running a disk check.
21:10<Guest268>Most everyone does, but if you don't KNOW what it is, then naming /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, etc. is the only route.
21:11<Guest268>But anyway, I'm sorry, we're trying to solve a problem.
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21:12<raylu>you can only know what it is at the time you assign it. if you plug in a new drive, that letter may change. if you mess with your partition table, that number might change
21:12<raylu>but the uuid is for the filesystem, which is what you actually want to mount.
21:13<Guest268>Granted, I guess it's a matter of perspective.
21:14<raylu>cesurasean: did grub-legacy work out?
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21:18<cesurasean>i have to go in the other room with the machine to get it to boot up again with the cd. sorry.
21:18<cesurasean>i will try to find out what grub is named as.
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21:31<dpkg>hello, d3co
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21:43<dpkg>hello, megaf
21:43<Megaf>I'm afraid of you, Mr bot
21:43<james__>Quiet tonight.
21:43<jar>it's always quiet here until someone starts a flame war
21:43<jar>ill start
21:44<jar>that oughta do it
21:44<james__>And people with carpal tunnel.
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21:44<jar>james__: well if they didnt before using emacs they sure as hell do now
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21:44<james__>Haha, so true.
21:45<james__>Oh wait, I'm supposed to be disagreeing here...
21:45<Megaf>[00:44:43] <jar> ONLY LITTLE GIRLS USE EMACS,
21:45<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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21:46<jar>adb: how is text editors off topic?
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21:46<Megaf>now, that could start a flame war!!
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21:46<Megaf>i dont agree with that
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21:46<jar>text editor discussion should be considered extremely on topic
21:46<jar>especially emacs and vi
21:46<adb>!editors war
21:47<jar>I use geany these days anyways.
21:47<jar>I just wish it had smart indent.
21:47*jar sobs
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21:47<james__>vim or mg for me, if I'm feeling adventurous.
21:47<adb>jar, #d is for support users not editors
21:47<bashar>failed to allocate mem resource blah blah
21:47<jar>james__: mg?
21:47<Megaf>nano is the best editor!
21:48<jar>Micro GnuEmacs
21:48<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:48<jar>adb: You sure do like that bot.
21:48<Megaf>adb: are you a bot? I'm sure you are, arent you?
21:48<jar>hey, dshuang
21:48<adb>jar, stop it , w'll be banned
21:48<jar>Megaf: Seems that way doesn't it?
21:49<Megaf>it isnt!!!
21:49<jar>adb: You're kind of a jerk.
21:49<jar>Just saying.
21:49<Megaf>its a bot
21:49<Megaf>i can prove that
21:49<Megaf>of topic
21:50<bashar>failed to initialise device(-5) on Lenny
21:50<Megaf>right, its not a bot
21:50<bashar>any help ?
21:50<Megaf>not here
21:50<dshuang>My computer has two network card, normally I use the wireless, how can i login the ARM developing board through xterm? thanks
21:51<adb>dshuang, try #emdebian
21:51<dshuang>I connected the ARM developing board and my computer through a network cable.
21:52<bashar>during system boot (Lenny) i got the mesg failed to initialise the device (-5) ,wht is that ? thanks
21:54<Megaf>theres no one here
21:54<Megaf>not me
21:54<Megaf>not now
21:54<bashar>wht abt my issue
21:54<bashar>any one could help
21:55-!-bashar is now known as Gbash
21:55<Megaf>Gbash: is your system booting up and working?
21:55<Gbash>yes it is
21:55<Megaf>so, dont mind about that
21:56<Gbash>jus i wanna know wht it could be
21:56<Megaf>thats somehting to do with webcam i guess
21:56<Gbash>my webcam doesn't work
21:56<Gbash>as well as the mic jak
21:57<Gbash>and other sound jacks
21:57<Gbash>wht i should do to get them working
21:57<dshuang>Gbash you need drive your webcam up firstly.
21:58<Megaf>Gbash: aptitude seach uvc
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21:58<Gbash>p luvcview - USB Video Class grabber
21:58<Gbash>p uvccapture - USB UVC Video Class snapshot software
21:59<Gbash>i got the above result
21:59<Gbash>by hitting aptitude search uvc
21:59<Megaf>i dont know what can you do now.
22:00<Gbash>shall i install one of them
22:00<Gbash>? ?
22:00<Megaf>i started to use Linux about an hour ago Gbash
22:00<Gbash>where are u from ?
22:00<dshuang>When i install debian, I can not find driver in debian DVD, but finally I find all the drivers
22:00<Megaf>nah, im kidding :)
22:01<Megaf>Gbash: you shall not install any of them
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22:01<Megaf>luvcview and cheese
22:02<Gbash>i have chees installed already
22:02<gsimmons>Gbash: Provide your dmesg output at a pastebin, there are other lines from the uvcvideo driver prior to that message. The USB-ID of your webcam device would also be useful (lsusb).
22:02<Gbash>but the Cam doesn't work
22:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Gbash -about paste
22:03<Megaf>Gbash: give us you lspci and lsusb at a pastebin as well
22:03<Gbash>i didn't got how to past the result
22:04<Megaf>Gbash: what about select everything with your mouse and then hit ctrl + insert?
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22:09<Gbash>my lspci
22:10<Megaf>Gbash: thats nice, now your lsusb
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22:12<Gbash>that was my lsusb
22:12<Gbash>now wht ?
22:12<Megaf>is your "a" working?
22:13<Megaf><Gbash> now wht ?
22:13<Gbash>wht do u mean by "a"?
22:13<Gbash>Aha :)
22:13<Megaf>[00:56:46] <Gbash> jus i wanna know wht it could be
22:13<Gbash>So,now what ? :)
22:13<Megaf>theres no a in what
22:13<Megaf>I'm afraid of ya!
22:13<Gbash>is that denied?
22:14<Gbash>wht abtcha
22:14<Megaf>[00:43:49] <dpkg> hello, megaf
22:14<Megaf>[00:43:51] <Megaf> :S
22:14<Megaf>[00:44:12] <Megaf> I'm afraid of you, Mr bot
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22:14<Megaf>I'm afraid of all of you
22:14*Megaf runs far far away
22:14<Gbash>what abt ma question then
22:15<Gbash> :)
22:16<Gbash>that's was
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22:17<gsimmons>Gbash: You are required to use a later uvcvideo version (available in later kernel images) and supply firmware from userspace.
22:17<gsimmons>dpkg: r5u87x
22:17<dpkg>[r5u87x] Ricoh R5U87x UVC-compliant webcam chipsets are supported by the <uvcvideo> driver (WDM devices not supported). Most devices require firmware/microcode to be loaded; r5u87x userspace tools are not yet available in Debian (ITP in bug #563081). Supported devices: . For support of other chipsets, ask me about <webcam>.
22:18<raylu>i'm currently using "set spell spelllang=en_us" to check spelling in latex. i want to get rid of the grammar checking, though. how do i do this?
22:19<Gbash>So,if i compiled a newer version of the kernel
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22:19<Gbash>is there a chance to solve the issue
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22:21<gsimmons>Gbash: You'll also need the userspace tools and firmware as mentioned above. Try using a 2.6.30 kernel image package from lenny-backports (/msg dpkg bpo) first.
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22:23<Gbash>actually, i've installed the kernel image 2.6.30
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22:23<Gbash>but whenever i boot the system on it
22:23<Gbash>KDE doesn't work
22:23<Gbash>even Gnome
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22:24<Gbash>i got the mesge "couldn't connect to X server"
22:24<raylu>by "in latex," i meant in vim
22:24<Gbash>so i can't boot the system on 2.6.30 big mem kernel
22:25<Gbash>can i compile a raw version of kernel from like 2.6.32????????
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22:27<Gbash>على راسي والله الشباب
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22:30<edwinrea>what up
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22:31<cesurasean>grub-legacy does not seem to work either. i can see the error, and it looks like something with fs in it, error code 6 is what super grub tells me.
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22:34<cesurasean>root@server1:~# grub
22:34<cesurasean>-bash: /usr/sbin/grub: No such file or directory
22:34<cesurasean>that's no good.
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22:34<cesurasean>grub-pc is already the newest version.
22:35<gsimmons>Gbash: Actually, the uvcvideo driver in 2.6.26 may be fine for your device. Just go ahead and compile/install the userspace tools, then reload the uvcvideo driver.
22:35<Gbash>how i can do that ?
22:35<Gbash>how to install or compile thos tools
22:36<Gbash>and thanks in advanced
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22:39<cesurasean>Installation finished. No error reported. - grub-pc reinstall.
22:40<cesurasean>how do i update my path? for some reason the old grub is inside it.
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22:44<gsimmons>Gbash: Install the automake, build-essential, libglib2.0-dev, libusb-dev and mercurial packages; execute "hg clone" as a regular user, then read r5u87x/README for further instructions.
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22:52<gsimmons>Gbash: No private messages, please.
22:53<Gbash><Gbash> i've done
22:53<Gbash>[05:52] <Gbash> wht you've told me about
22:53<Gbash>[05:52] <Gbash> but i executed the command hg clone "" as root
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22:59<abrotman>Gbash: do you have an error to go with that command ?
23:01<Gbash>but the camera still doesn't work
23:01<Gbash>i've executed that command
23:01<abrotman>did you READ the README ?
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23:04<Gbash>where i can find the read me ?
23:04<goodger>it's in a file called README
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23:12<Gbash>what is the path of the read me file
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23:22<Gbash>i found it
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23:27<fcestrada>Hi!, I'm affected by the xserver-xorg-video-intel (#569314) bug, I want to try the following workaround: "adding i915.modeset=0 to the kernel (2.6.32-trunk) line in grub" but I don't know what's the file to modify, anyone can help me please?
23:27<fcestrada>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
23:27<fcestrada>Or anyone with the same video card know another workaround?
23:27<fcestrada>s/what's the file/where's the file
23:29<fcestrada>Hi!, I'm affected by the xserver-xorg-video-intel (#569314) bug, I want to try the following workaround: "adding i915.modeset=0 to the kernel (2.6.32-trunk) line in grub" but I don't know where's the file to modify, anyone can help me please?
23:30<fcestrada>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) Anyone with the same video card know another workaround?
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23:37<fcestrada>I found it: "/boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-amd64" Thanks anyway =)
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23:40<chealer>fcestrada: you don't need to edit a file. you can test it by appending to the kernel line in grub. press e to edit a boot choice when you're in grub. then select the kernel line.
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23:42<fcestrada>chealer: Thanks, I'll reboot to test it =)
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