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---Logopened Wed Feb 17 00:00:23 2010
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00:02<vantage>anyone have any ideas on #569527?
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00:13<samantha-c->tail -f <logfile> stops scrolling after about two minutes. it's not because the log has rotated. what gives?
00:14<goodger>is the log still being written to?
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00:14<samantha-c->it's an outbound smtpd log, i've got currently 1700+ messages stacked up. if i ctrl-c and restart, i get new data immediately.
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00:22<samantha-c->okay then.
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00:24<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: is there any thing odd about this system or the filesystem its reading from? virtual machine?
00:24<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: you can always strace tail, too.
00:24<samantha-c->no. ssh session, ext3 drive. qmail log.
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00:25<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: what does strace tail -F /path/to/logfile; end up outputing at the end? what kernel are you running? what does tail --version; output?
00:26<samantha-c->dondelelcaro: strace is running now. tail 7.4. kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686.
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00:28<samantha-c->strace: repeat ending message endlessly.
00:29<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: and what is the output of stat /path/to/logfile ?
00:29<samantha-c->so it's not a disappearing file
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00:31<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: uh... the size that strace is reporting doesn't match at all the size that stat is showing
00:32<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: the version of tail that you're using sleeps for a second, then calls stat to see if the file has changed; if it has, it rereads the new bits, and outputs them
00:34<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: so either you're stat'ing a different file, or something is rewriting that logfile as tail is reading it (which isn't going to be particularly effective)
00:34<samantha-c->qmaill might be rotating on an insanely short leash. i'll try it with --follow=name.
00:35<dondelelcaro>tail -F may be needed
00:35<dondelelcaro>alternatively, you may find inotail to be useful
00:35<dondelelcaro>(though new coreutils make inotail obsolete)
00:36<dondelelcaro>also, insert suggestion to avoid qmail like the plague here
00:36<samantha-c->avoiding qmail isn't an option. it's a production system, and i understand how to use it. that's WAY more important than somebody's purity.
00:37<dondelelcaro>I don't like qmail for technical reasons, actually, but use whatever you want
00:37<samantha-c->i haven't found another mail utility, including google apps, that supports qmail's dash-based addressing, which, over the past 13 years, i have made extensive use of and need to continue supporting.
00:37*goodger learned to code in BBC BASIC and is now learning COBOL, and has no silly notions of purity
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00:38<samantha-c->there are plenty of reasons to dislike qmail. but when i started using it, it did what i needed and i got it running. in the intervening 13 years, it has continued to serve me well, most of the time. when it's failed, it's always been because of configuration problems, not because of a software issue.
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00:39<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: you can do that using exim or sendmail, probably postfix too, though I haven't done it myself
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00:39<samantha-c->yeah, but i'd have to learn how, and transition a working system. ergo, my hesitance.
00:40<samantha-c->it's just a store and forward spam filter anyway.
00:40<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: but anyway, so long as you actually reject invalid recipients at RCPT TO time, I don't really care
00:40<dondelelcaro>all of the other problems with qmail are yours to deal with
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00:40<samantha-c->yeah i closed that hole when i counted at 1.5 million spams a month with the catch-all open :-)
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00:41<dondelelcaro>yeah... it's unfortunate that a large number of qmail installs don't
00:41<samantha-c->with it closed, and some brute-force shutting down of known-spam extension mailboxes, i've got it down to 50k/mo that go to google
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00:44<samantha-c->the netqmail install is considerably better, and it even compiles, now that qmail has gone public domain. if only we could get a debian package of it still. :-(
00:45<dpkg>[qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free>, now public domain, but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see and To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. #qmail on See also <mta>.
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00:47<dondelelcaro>samantha-c-: see #457318 for example
00:50<samantha-c->as i said, i have a working system so it's lower priority. the Debian Way would no doubt break the way i do things here, so migration would be a hassle. i'd much rather see my apt-get bug fixed. See #535182.
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00:59<Bacteria>Hey guys, I'm getting a strange error in my /var/log/messages. It looks like something is trying to access /dev/hda which doesnt actually exist on my system.
00:59<Bacteria>Feb 17 16:55:24 Bacteria kernel: [446469.617797] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
00:59<Bacteria>Feb 17 16:55:24 Bacteria kernel: [446469.621152] hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
00:59<Bacteria>And that repeats for quite some time.
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01:00<jm_>is that a cd/dvd-rom?
01:00<Bacteria>Actually yes, it is listed as my cdrom drive in fstab
01:00<Bacteria>My mistake.
01:01<Bacteria>But I don't know why something is trying to access it constantly.
01:01<jm_>perhaps first identify what that something is
01:01<Bacteria>My guess is it's amarok.
01:01<jm_>try stopping it and see
01:02<Bacteria>Will do next time it happens.
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01:21<bighornram>Why is Ubuntu Software Center listed in System menu?
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02:26<TIBS01>ello ppl
02:26<TIBS01>can i ask u lot a question
02:26<goodger>yes, you can
02:26<TIBS01>does this look like a suspious dir
02:27<TIBS01>Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while...
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02:27<TIBS01>Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while...
02:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
02:27<TIBS01>ok stop whinging
02:28<jar>that was a rude thing to say
02:30<simonrvn>who's whinging here?
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02:42<domzinique>Hi! I'm looking for a CL utility that can help me create ISO from a directory in my home folder!!
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02:44<jm_>man genisoimage mkisofs
02:44<jm_>actually they seem to be the same thing
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02:45<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
02:46<domzinique>ty jm_ i hv genisoimage installed
02:48<hachi>hello all, does anyone know where docs are kept for how to mirror debian? I'd like to pull a few files down via rsync or some other decent pull mechanism
02:48<hachi>however all I can find is ftp access
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02:51<domzinique>how do I know the progress when using the dd command to make a dvd image?
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02:52<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. #xorg on
02:52<jm_>domzinique: why are you using dd?
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02:53<domzinique>jm_ to create a dvd image
02:53<jm_>domzinique: of what?
02:53<domzinique>jm_: of a debian installation disc...
02:53<jm_>domzinique: you can send SIGUSR1 to dd
02:54<jm_>it's a signal : killall -USR1 dd
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03:20<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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03:38<domzinique>how do i burn an iso (with isofs) onto a dvd using CLI?
03:39<jmm>google for it.
03:40<jm_>domzinique: growisofs has examples in man page
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03:42<domzinique>i tried "growisofs -Z /path/to/iso /dev/dvd" it says the iso already carries isofs
03:42<jm_>that's wrong syntax
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03:52<TIBS01>anyone reconize this then the dir
03:55<domzinique>ty guys, the -dvd-compat option does the trick!!
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04:03<TIBS01>anyone think that dir is a root kit ?
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04:05<gsimmons>TIBS01: More like false positives (see Debian bug #406493, Use chkrootkit's -e option if you don't want known ones reported.
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04:06<TIBS01>i got that dir
04:06<TIBS01>is that a fake dir
04:07<TIBS01>because i got some procceses running from numbers
04:07<TIBS01>on users
04:07<TIBS01>ill put it on pastebin
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04:08<TIBS01>take note of the user
04:08<TIBS01>its 107 not a username
04:09<TIBS01>also wot is this process running
04:09<TIBS01>bahta 2622 0.0 0.2 2268 364 ? S Feb16 0:01 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL
04:10<goodger>it might be, oh, say, apache
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04:10<TIBS01>what about this
04:10<TIBS01>101 2290 0.0 0.5 6268 668 ? Ss Feb16 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
04:10<TIBS01>look at the 101 under user
04:10<goodger>looks like exim4 to me
04:10<themill>TIBS01: "grep 107 /etc/passwd" you'll find there are two entries for that user
04:11<themill>or that you have a broken passwd file (or that you've been fiddling around with /etc/nsswitch.conf and broken NSS)
04:11<TIBS01>postgres:x:104:107:PostgreSQL administrator,,,:/var/lib/postgresql:/bin/bash
04:11<TIBS01>haldaemon:x:107:112:Hardware abstraction layer,,,:/var/run/hal:/bin/false
04:11<TIBS01>so how i shut them down
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04:14<TIBS01>shell:~# grep 106 /etc/passwd
04:14<TIBS01>wot i do about them
04:15<goodger>what do you want to do about them?
04:15<themill>TIBS01: (a) stop pasting into the channel (b) stop hitting enter after every few words, it make it harder to follow you (c) tell us what the problem actually is
04:16<TIBS01>i might aswell format the drive its full of shit
04:16<TIBS01>none of u lot will help
04:16<goodger>what the hell are you talking about?
04:16<goodger>all you've said is that you're running apache and exim4 and asked us whether a directory is a rootkit
04:17<goodger>we said that that directory was a false positive
04:17<TIBS01>yer but i got software running from 107 and 106 and 101 users
04:17<TIBS01>ho2w i fix them
04:17<goodger>you don't need to fix them
04:18<TIBS01>there prob users running rootkits
04:18<TIBS01>but hey
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04:19<goodger>107 is the HAL user, 106 is Avahi and 101 is DBus
04:19<themill>goodger: only on *your* machine. It varies
04:19<goodger>unless you want to run your computer without these, which I am sure would be entertaining in the extreme, you had better leave them alone
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04:30<KdK>I was just looking at the jigdo-light script and i found the wget option --dot-style=mega can anyone tell me what that does?
04:30<jmm>just try it. I think it change the progress bar or something.
04:31<jm_>man wget, read the section for --progress
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04:31<jm_>but no, not anyone can tell you that
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04:36<KdK>I see now ok, it's a little bizzar that the wgetrc syntax is --dot-style=mega and the command line style is --progress=dot:mega, but thanks for the excellent pointer
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04:41<bash1711>need some help
04:42<bash1711>about debina
04:42<petemc>just ask
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04:43<bash1711>i want to install latest debian.....can i install pysdm?
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04:45<KdK>um thats a debian based package isnt it, so i don't see why not. Last time i saw that name was in an ubuntu mailing list
04:45<bash1711>but u need to ad some repository?
04:46<bash1711>or, just run sudo aptitude install pysdm?
04:46<Myon>bash1711: knows
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04:48<bash1711>yea, list is big.....
04:48<KdK>hold up and ill try to install on my broken sid install, in the mean time use the search box
04:49<bash1711>ok, tnx
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04:57<KdK>that package is not in sid, however as long as you have python 2.5 you can install the deb found on sourceforge
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04:57<KdK>oh and you need pyGTK
04:57<bash1711>tnx, for help......
04:58<bash1711>i will try it......
04:58<bash1711>i was hoping, that i could simply add some repository, and install in terminal...
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05:00<weasel>GandalfTheGrey: please disable this.
05:01<GandalfTheGrey>what.... away/back? ... already did... sorry
05:04<weasel>yes. thanks
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05:10<shaggy_>Is koffice packaged for debian sid?
05:11<pusling>shaggy_: is in expermiental
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05:12<shaggy_>"This package is neither part of unstable nor experimental. This probably means that the package has been removed (or has been renamed). Thus the information here is of little interest ... the package is going to disappear unless someone takes it over and reintroduces it into unstable."
05:12<shaggy_>^ no more koffice???
05:13<KdK>... looks like it
05:13<gsimmons>dpkg: tell shaggy_ -about koffice
05:14<pusling>it is in experimental
05:15<shaggy_>is there a repo for experimental? im running sid i thought i had expermental packages ...
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05:15<babilen>,versions koffice
05:15<judd>koffice -- etch: 1:1.6.1-2etch2; etch-security: 1:1.6.1-2etch2; lenny: 1:1.6.3-7; experimental: 1:2.1.0-1; experimental: 1:2.1.1-1
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05:16<shaggy_>so am i missing a repo? apt-cache search koffice revels no packages
05:17<babilen>shaggy_: /msg dpkg experimental
05:17<babilen>shaggy_: And you should know this if you are running a development release of Debian
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05:17<shaggy_>decided to run it to learn
05:17<shaggy_> /msg dpkg experimental
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05:28<shaggy_>thanks for help guys : )
05:28<shaggy_>soon to play with expermintal koffice....
05:28<babilen>good luck
05:28<shaggy_>worst comes to worst i purge package?
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05:29<babilen>shaggy_: create at least a backport as detailed in the ssb factoid.
05:29<shaggy_>im not upgrading core utils .... just an application? am i misssing imment unfixable erros here?
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05:29<babilen>which packages are you installing from experimental?
05:29<shaggy_>only koffice
05:30<babilen>alright - good luck :)
05:30<shaggy_>works sofar haha
05:30<samaira>hi all. just now i am learning about commands in linux and come across cat /proc/meminfo. the free memory is low. i have set aside 1gb as unpartioned. can somebody look into it and guide me further @ thank you
05:30<shaggy_>anyway thanks guys.
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05:31<babilen>!free memory
05:31<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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05:34<Bacteria>Hey, I'm trying to install amarok 2.2.1-2 from the testing repo, it's going to "update" a lot of packages which I'm pretty sure will break something. Are these packages backwards compatible or is there another way I can go about getting this working without breaking everything?
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05:36<jm_>Bacteria: do not install packages from testing on stable - you'll immediately end up upgrading base et al to testing too
05:36<Bacteria>Yeah. I feared that would happen.
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05:37<KdK>Then you'll end up like me with no xserver until you can be bothered to fix it
05:37<Bacteria>Yeah. Done that once before.
05:37<babilen>,versions amarok
05:37<judd>amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4etch1; etch-security: 1.4.4-4etch1; lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 2.2.1-2; sid: 2.2.2-1
05:38<KdK>although I was trying to get to testing, but i forgot to update my kernel so ... boom
05:38<babilen>Bacteria: You could create your own backport of amarok, which is compiled against the libraries installed on your system. /msg dpkg ssb - to learn how to do this
05:38<jm_>KdK: udev issue?
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05:38<Bacteria>Ooh, that might be what I'm after.
05:38<KdK>yup it was
05:38<babilen>Bacteria: I think so :-)
05:39<Bacteria>Cheers for that.
05:39<jm_>you just install 2.6.32 and udev in one ago and it shall work
05:39<jm_>one *go
05:39<KdK>oh udev is fixed now, i just cant be bothered fixing x
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05:40<babilen>Bacteria: I am not sure if the -dev libraries needed to compile amarok 2.2.1 are recent enough in lenny though. But it is worth a try
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05:40<Bacteria>Aye. I'll have a look.
05:40<Bacteria>There are a lot of deps for amarok.
05:41<Bacteria>I'm guessing I'll run into a few problems
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05:42<babilen>Bacteria: Could you paste the output of the 'build-dep' step to a pastebin please?
05:42<babilen>But if all these dependencies are available on lenny I don't see how this is problematic
05:43<Bacteria>Will do. I'm a bit slow with this as I have not done it before.
05:43<babilen>take your time
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05:43<babilen>Just try it, ask if you are unsure and report any errors you are running into
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05:44<KdK>God, I remember having to do this with firefox before debin ditched it to the curb
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05:46<Bacteria>babilen, I'm getting a E: Build-Depends dependency for amarok cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements
05:46<Bacteria>When running apt-get build-dep amarok
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05:54<Bacteria>babilen, I'm going to upgrade debhelper via backport.
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05:54<Bacteria>Now it's complaining about cmake.
05:55<Bacteria>When theres 2, theres usually about 10.
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05:57<KdK>This may explain why doesn't have an amarok/lenny backport
05:57<Bacteria>Yeah, check my logs there.
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06:01<babilen>Bacteria: Looks like it's not possible. You would have to wait until squeeze is released or upgrade to testing/squeeze if you want to use it.
06:03<Bacteria>If I upgrade to testing, what are the odd's my whole system will break?
06:03<babilen>Bacteria: How well do you know Debian?
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06:04<Bacteria>Is it as simple as adding the testing repo to the apt list and doing an apt-get upgrade
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06:04<Bacteria>I've got a reasonable understanding of linux.
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06:04<babilen>I'm running testing for a long time now and rarely ever had problems I couldn't fix. Or rather: I run stable for 6-12 months, upgrade to testing when there are compelling reasons and repeat the cycle
06:04<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
06:04<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at present.
06:05<babilen>jm_: ! and -> don't mix well
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06:05<jm_>babilen: ahh thanks, I was wondering why it works via /msg
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06:05<KdK>theres that udev thing again!
06:05<babilen>Bacteria: And use 'aptitude' (\msg dpkg why aptitude, why not aptitude)
06:05<Bacteria>That sounds like it's going to break my video card drivers.
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06:05<babilen>Bacteria: Which video card drivers are you using?
06:06<Bacteria>Nvidia 190.53?
06:06<babilen>!nvida squeeze
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06:06<babilen>!nvidia squeeze
06:06<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
06:06<jm_>you just need to get them from sid
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06:07<babilen>Bacteria: don't upgrade within X - Make sure that you can come here from the console (use irssi)
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06:08<Bacteria>Hmm, I'm tempted to give it a crack tonight.
06:08<babilen>Bacteria: And note that you'll probably end up with KDE4
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06:09<Bacteria>I don't think I've ever used kde apart from in live cd's
06:09<Bacteria>Is it any good?
06:10<KdK>its different
06:10<KdK>works pretty much the same for me
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06:10<KdK>just looks more like a newer mac with the bubble like theme
06:11<babilen>what did i miss?
06:11<Bacteria>I was asking if kde is any good.
06:11<jm_>babilen: got blonde ran naked in the channel
06:12<KdK>actually im gona fix x now brb
06:12<babilen>Bacteria: Ah - I assumed you are running KDE
06:12<jm_>hot even - typing while eating an apple can't be that good
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06:12<babilen>No idea if it is any good - I don't use it
06:12<Bacteria>I've only really used gnome.
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06:12<babilen>That's fine
06:13<KdK>look for a knoppix 3.5 screenshot of the desktop
06:13<KdK>knoppix used kde back then but i don't know about now
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06:14<Bacteria>Alright, hopefully this wont take more than an hour to do...
06:15<KdK>oh make sure you update your kernel and apt and aptitude and dpkg before the smart-upgrade
06:15<KdK>and it will take more than an hour if your internet is slow
06:15<babilen>Bacteria: and use aptitude
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06:16<babilen>In case of SNAFU -> Just come here. You might want to burn a Live CD before you attempt that.
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06:16<babilen>I recommend grml
06:16<bacberia>I've got my laptop for that.
06:16<KdK>oh i'm on a debian live on a laptop atm
06:16<babilen>But I doubt that you run into serious problems
06:17<babilen>Bacteria: ah well - even better :-D
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06:18<Bacteria>Alright, I've commented out the lenny repos in my source list and added the testing repo in.
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06:19<babilen>Bacteria: squeeze i hope (*not* testing)
06:19*Bacteria checks.
06:19<Bacteria>Okay, I better check the squeeze website for this.
06:19<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
06:19<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at present.
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06:20<babilen>Bacteria: Just follow ^^^^ you can paste your sources.list if you are unsure
06:20<Bacteria>Whats the squeeze repo?
06:20<KdK>the same as lenny but you replace lenny with squeeze
06:20<babilen>Bacteria: Remove lenny specific repos (volatile, ...) and replace lenny with squeeze in your sources.list - paste the result to
06:21<themill>If you have to ask that, ask yourself if you'r ready to deal with broken packages in squeeze.
06:21<KdK>I haven
06:22<KdK>run into many broken packages and im using sid on three machines
06:23<babilen>Bacteria: Don't have much time now - Looks good so far :-)
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06:26<Bacteria>Okay, killing off X
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06:26<Bacteria>init 3?
06:26<KdK>init 1
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06:28<bacberia>Euugh no networking in init 1
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06:28<KdK>with a router?
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06:29<KdK>anyway you should be able to do an ifconfig eth0 up
06:30<jm_>just exit X/stop dm, don't change runlevel
06:31*bacberia facepalm, dunno why I didn't dhcp my eth0
06:31<KdK>doesn't exiting X under lenny just force gdm to restart x?
06:32<bacberia>If gdm is still running I think it does.
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06:33<jm_>hence /stop dm
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06:34<bacberia>I've got it working now
06:34<KdK>like "service gdm stop"? Im curious now
06:34<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
06:34<jm_>ahh no, invoke-rc.d foodm stop
06:34<jm_>forgot that it doesn't covring stoping dm only
06:34*babilen uses /etc/init.d/{x,k,g}dm stop
06:35<KdK>oh ok that makes sence
06:36<KdK>I have always just changed the runlevel because my caldera system wouldn't boot lilo when i stopped x that way
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06:37<themill>babilen: invo<tab> is less typing, plus you get tab completion on the available actions :)
06:38<babilen>themill: hehe - muscle memory vs funky-modern completion style :-)
06:38<babilen>themill: I'll keep that in mind - And where the mind is strong the finders follow
06:38<jm_>KdK: that's RH-ism - use a different runlevel to start *dm
06:40<KdK>Well yea
06:41<bacberia>Okay, I've done the aptitude install aptitude and that worked fine, however when I try aptitude safe-upgrade it complains about some packages having unmet deps
06:41<babilen>bacberia: paste the output please
06:42<bacberia>For instance kdedesktop: Depends: kdebase-bin (= 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6) but 4:4.3.2-1 is to be installed.
06:42<bacberia>I've got 3 of these
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06:42<bacberia>libkonq5-templates, kdebase-bin and kdedesktop
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06:43<babilen>bacberia: 'aptitude full-upgrade' please -> paste the output
06:44<babilen>bacberia: And also paste the complete output of the 'safe-upgrade' step to a pastebin (
06:44<bacberia>It came up with some solution, looked like it was upgrading everything but the kernel.
06:45<KdK>oh you need to do that first or udev will have a bitch
06:45<bacberia>Hmm, probably should have done this via ssh term.
06:45<bacberia>Would have made pasting easier.
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06:46<bacberia>This is why you shouldn't try upgrading debian at 10pm when you have been in the lab all day from 8am.
06:47<KdK>Are ya studying
06:48<bacberia>Biochemistry mostly.
06:48<bacberia>I did a double major in biochem and microbiology.
06:48<bacberia>Not exactly sure what I want to specialise in.
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06:49<KdK>Oh yeah my dad has a phd in Biochem and mum has a major in microbiology. I'm doing a bachelor in comp sci
06:49<bacberia>Thats pretty awesome.
06:49<babilen>that's life
06:50<KdK>life is awesome, i have to agree there
06:50<babilen>just keep on working - get some results published and *boom* phd :-)
06:50<babilen>but this is kinda off-topic :-)
06:50<bacberia>The full upgrade is working, so far.
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06:51<babilen>!tell bacberia -about pastebinit
06:51<babilen>have to go now - good luck
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06:51<bacberia>Thats awesome.
06:51<bacberia>Thanks for the help babilen.
06:52<babilen>no - that is the worst Python hack i've ever seen - but it does it's job :-D
06:52<babilen>have fun
06:52<babilen>!tell bacberia -about lol
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06:53<bacberia>Guess thats one way to do it.
06:53<KdK>oh way to do?
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06:55<bacberia>Tell someone they hate the word lol.
06:55<KdK>hold up
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06:55<KdK>!tell KdK -about lol
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06:56<KdK>I hope yall don't mind but I'm adopting that bwahahaha
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06:56<nesquick>hi there all
06:56<bacberia>8 minutes for the full upgrade.
06:56<bacberia>o/ nesquick
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06:57<nesquick>i have a problem with ati drivers
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06:57<KdK>join the club
06:57<nesquick>first of all i'm new with
06:57<bacberia>Installation problem?
06:57<nesquick>and can i load the driver
06:57<nesquick>and where in debian squeezy xorg.conf
06:58<KdK>um which one
06:58<KdK>the proprietary or the xorg one
06:58<nesquick>from sarge to lenny, was /etc/X11/xorg.conf
06:59<KdK>you need to make a new one
06:59<nesquick>crap :|
06:59<KdK>hold up and ill find the link to the instructions
06:59<KdK>its easy
07:00<nesquick>is there any method to generate a config from the actual one
07:00<nesquick>and make little modifications...
07:00<nesquick>and for my ati graphic card
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07:00<KdK>Xorg -configure
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07:00<nesquick>i have a hp compaq nx6325, amd x2 turion and ati x1250
07:01<KdK>you run that without x and it makes a new xorg.conf from the current settings for you
07:01<nesquick>i try to isntall 8.5 driver
07:01<nesquick>everything seams to install
07:01<nesquick>and looking for xorg.conf file to modifiy the driver section
07:01<nesquick>what would be for ati ?
07:01<nesquick>"ati" ?
07:02<nesquick>for nvidia was "nvidia" ..
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07:02<KdK>yea "radeon"
07:03<goodger>ati or radeon match the same driver nowadays
07:03<nesquick>let's see if i have any luck with Xorg -configure
07:03<nesquick>another question
07:03<nesquick>after i generate xorg.config
07:03<nesquick>i copy the file to /etc/X11 ?
07:03<KdK>it will be named and you copy it there yes
07:04<nesquick>ok :)
07:04<goodger>surely you should be running dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
07:04<goodger>or something very similar, I forget the precise name of the package
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07:04<KdK>the new xorg doesn't automatically generate an xorg.conf tho
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07:05<KdK>it just probes the hardware when x starts
07:05<goodger>in either case, you need to end up with a file named /etc/X11/xorg.conf that has "radeon" or "ati" in it
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07:05<KdK>well he shouldn't need to change the generated file
07:06<KdK>the *ati*.run file does it for him
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07:07<bacberia>KdK, I've finished the full upgrade, it's asking me if I want to use dash as the system shell.
07:08<bacberia>Is this better than bash?
07:08<KdK>it says its faster
07:08<KdK>I just said yes on mine
07:08<themill>should be fine to do. Shell scripts with /bin/sh that should have had /bin/bash will break though -- that should only be your personal scripts though, not things in debian.
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07:11<nesquick>No protocol specified
07:11<nesquick>Error: unable to open display (null)
07:11<gsimmons>nesquick: For your information, the ATI proprietary display driver is inoperable with Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) at this time, see Debian bug #564444.
07:12<nesquick>and any solution?
07:12<nesquick>for 3d...
07:12<nesquick>alternative to ati proprietary display driver ?
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07:13<KdK>its called xserver-xorg-video-ati in aptitude
07:13<nesquick>and ?
07:13<matt1606>as far as I know there is quite good free driver in the newest kernel
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07:13<matt1606>for ati cards
07:14<nesquick>after i install that pkg
07:14<nesquick>modify xorg.config
07:14<nesquick>and that's all ?
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07:14<KdK>if xorg has "ati" or "radeon" already you should be fine
07:14<themill>gsimmons: fantastic work... 3 months later and ATI hasn't yet released a working driver for 1.7 *sigh*
07:14<bacberia>KdK, the upgrade is done, now how do I go about upgrading the kernel and this udev thingo?
07:15<KdK>open aptitude and press /
07:15<nesquick>KdK, should i have agp compiles in the kernel ?
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07:15<KdK>the search for linux-image
07:16<KdK>nesquick: I think the packages deals with that for you
07:16<matt1606>KdK: isn't it a good solution to rebuild linux-2.6.33-rc* and get the dri ati driver instead?
07:16<gsimmons>themill: "when will fglrx release" etc. :)
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07:17<KdK>That would work to
07:17<themill>gsimmons: heh
07:17<matt1606>KdK: I'm not an owner of an ATI card but I've heard thats it's working quite well
07:18<bacberia>KdK, I've found it. Do I press g to download it?
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07:19<KdK>matt1606: I haven't used the dri so I can't comment on it
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07:19<matt1606>KdK: sure
07:20<nesquick_>debian crash..
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07:21<bacberia>KdK, I can't work out how to use this.
07:21<jm_>bacberia: use it from command line then
07:21<bacberia>aptitude install linux-image?
07:21<jm_>with proper package name yes
07:22<nesquick_>ok i installed that package
07:22<nesquick_>now ?
07:22<Wilthril>hey guys
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07:22<KdK>What do you mean by crash
07:23<nesquick_>black screen
07:23<Wilthril>anyone knows how i restart a device? (i want to restart /dev/sdb)
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07:23<nesquick_>and system dosen't respond
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07:24<Wilthril>it's an external hard drive but i'm physically far from my computer
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07:25<nesquick_>ufffffff :(
07:26<gsimmons>nesquick_: AIUI, the RS690 (R500) should have 3D acceleration with the radeon driver, possibly with radeonhd too. You'll require userspace firmware for either driver, ask dpkg about radeon firmware (/msg dpkg radeon firmware).
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07:31<bacberia>Alright, I've run aptitude safe-upgrade, full-upgrade, kernel-image and udev.
07:31<bacberia>What else do I need to do.
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07:36<nesquick_>i install the firmware nonfree
07:36<nesquick_>and i see /lib/firmware/radeon/
07:36<nesquick_>and a lot of files
07:37<gsimmons>nesquick_: Great. You'll also have to un-do whatever the ATI Driver Installer did to your system.
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07:38<nesquick_>ok...and how i do that
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07:41<gsimmons>nesquick_: No idea. Refer to its documentation, then ask in #ati on freenode if you are still stuck.
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07:41<bacberia>Why is my kernel not updating?
07:42<jm_>updating what?
07:42<bacberia>I'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
07:43<nesquick_>for updating the kernel
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07:43<nesquick_>just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32
07:43<nesquick_>do a apt-cache search linux-image
07:44<bacberia>Hmm, this isn't good.
07:44<bacberia>My system boots, but something is heavily lagging it.
07:44<nesquick_>after installing all packages
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07:44<jm_>that's wrong package name - it's either linux-image-2.6 or add -foo where foo matches what you want
07:44<nesquick_>install the new kernel
07:45<jm_>ehh not or but and
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07:47<bacberia>Okay, fixed that problem
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07:48<shashi>can we install squeeze on SAS HDD
07:48<shashi>anybody tried ?
07:49<nesquick_>shashi, why not? :)
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07:49<nesquick_>anyway if the machine is a dedicate server
07:50<nesquick_>i recomand to use lenny until squeezy is stable
07:50<shashi>will it work ?
07:50<shashi>I have not tried yet.. and vendors not confirmed 100%
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07:51<shashi>in my company no one wanted to take chance .. that's why they want to go for SATA
07:52<bacberia>I don't see why a sas drive wouldn't work.
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07:52<shashi>planning to buy Intel server Nehalam Processor X 2 (2.93) for webserver
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07:53<shashi>nesquick, can i go for SAS ?
07:53<nesquick_>shashi, why not?
07:53<nesquick_>i just a newer kernel
07:54<shashi>earlier was it not working ?
07:54<nesquick_>you can anytime recompile the kernel for sas support
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07:54<nesquick_>i don't use sas yet :(
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07:54<nesquick_>our servers runs on sata ( raid 10 )
07:55<shashi>we are planning to upgrade server, so i thought why we should not use SAS
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07:56<shashi>if RHEL works, why not Debian
07:56<shashi>it should be
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07:57<nesquick_>shashi, SAS is great :)
07:57<nesquick_>and i don't know what to say...but rhel 5
07:57<nesquick_>supports a lot of things
07:57<nesquick_>but u can give it a try
07:57<adb>shashi, try #hardware
07:57<nesquick_>and install debian squeezy
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08:30<gernot>Hi. I installed squeeze a few days ago. Now after a recent upgrade gnome-settings-daemon and therefor nautilus won't start. It sounds just like this bug, except it's been closed half a year ago: . Is anybody else having this problem?
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08:37<amdgoon>gernot: i'm not a gnome user, but that bug report had some questions from Josselin Mouette. Did you check out your machine in regards to those questions?
08:38<bacberia>gernot, I'm just upgrading to squeeze now, I'll let you know if I have a similar problem once I can actually get my sound working.
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08:39<gernot>amdgoon, yes, dbus-x11 is running.
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08:39<gernot>bacberia, how convenient. Thank you.
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08:51<jmm>I got some troubles using backports to install latest claws-mail.I follo the documentation on, but when I do apt-get -t lenny-backports isnstall claws-mail,
08:51<jmm>it tried to install the 3.5.0 version, I want the 3.7
08:52<jm_>let's see, I want 3.7 anyway which means I won't need to build it myself
08:54<jm_>uses backports just fine
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08:56<jmm>dunno why it keep on installing 3.5.0
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08:56<jm_>crap now I'm missing some plugins :)
08:57<gsimmons>jmm: claws-mail is only built for i386 in lenny-backports at this time.
08:57<jm_>verify with apt-cache policy foo
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08:58<jm_>for once 386 is ahead
08:58<Psirus>I just installed Debian on a laptop and was about to set up the wireless network, but when i type "iwconfig" it says command not found, yet the wireless-tools are installed...
08:58<jmm>gsimmons: I saw that it was show on backports's page, choosing amd64 lead me 3.7 version for 'all'
08:58<amdgoon>Psirus: /sbin/iwconfig (?)
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08:59<amdgoon>or which iwconfig
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08:59<Psirus>that works....
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09:00<Bacteria>Hey guys, I've just updated my system to squeeze and I can't get the sound working.
09:00<amdgoon>usually the /sbin dir is not in a regular user's path
09:00<Bacteria>I think I caught something in the boot that said there wasnt a kernel module for OSS
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09:00<Bacteria>But alsa claims to be there.
09:01<jm_>you shouldn't need OSS anymore
09:01<Bacteria>Yet, when I unmute everything I still don't get any sound.
09:01<Bacteria>Thats why I didn't think it was overly relevant.
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09:01<Bacteria>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
09:01<amdgoon>Bacteria: is the user in group "audio"?
09:02<Bacteria>Ah shit. I didn't check that.
09:02<Bacteria>one sec.
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09:03<Bacteria>Yeah, it looks like I'm in there.
09:04<amdgoon>probably not permissions; sometimes I'll try to play something as root just to double-check.
09:04<amdgoon>like a .wav file
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09:06<Bacteria>Even as root I don't get any sound.
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09:07<amdgoon>ok. hmmm, I have not had sound issues for a long time. I used to run "alsaconf" as root to get things going. Is that still around?
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09:08<Bacteria>No alsaconf
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09:12<amdgoon>k, I'm not sure what is next. look in log files, perhaps see something relevant.
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09:13<amdgoon>lsmod, lspci, see if the sound drivers are loaded?
09:14<Bacteria> 0 [pcsp ]: PC-Speaker - pcsp
09:14<Bacteria> Internal PC-Speaker at port 0x61
09:14<Bacteria> 1 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
09:14<Bacteria> HDA Intel at 0xea200000 irq 22
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09:14<Bacteria>My bad.
09:14<jm_>Bacteria: perhaps you want to get rid of pcsp module
09:14<Bacteria>Do you think that the pcsp loaded at 0 would be the problem?
09:15<jm_>try telling your alsa app to use card 1
09:15<Bacteria>I have done that with alsa mixer.
09:15<Bacteria>It shows up as if the card exists.
09:15<Bacteria>Just no sound comes out of it.
09:15<jm_>yeah but test it with say speaker-test and proper device
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09:16<Bacteria>How would I go about removing the pcsp module?
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09:16<Torsten_W>blacklist it
09:16<jm_>I recommend you to blacklist it
09:17<Bacteria>Then I need to reload it?
09:17<amdgoon>can you rmmod pcsp?
09:17<dpkg>hmm... pcspkr is makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezo spkr, attached to the Motherboard). Add "blacklist pcspkr" to any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (/blacklist, /local, /blacklist.local, etc) to kill it -- and/or "blacklist snd_pcsp" since 2.6.26 kernels - 'alsamixer' might show a PC Speak[er] slider/option as well. Ensure /etc/modules does not contain any modules you're blacklisting.
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09:18<Bacteria>amdgoon, it doesnt exist in my /etc/modules so I cant rmmod it.
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09:19<amdgoon>ok, thanks
09:19<Bacteria>How do I reload my modules?
09:19<Bacteria>Or should I just reboot?
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09:20<amdgoon>I think you use modprobe name_of_module
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09:21<Bacteria>It claims it's in use.
09:21<Bacteria>I can't unload it.
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09:23<amdgoon>hmmm, I guess I'd try blacklisting it and reboot.
09:24<bacberia>rebooting it now
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09:24<bacberia>God damn it, it's still there.
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09:28<bacberia>For some reason the pcsp is still being loaded first
09:28*amdgoon puzzeling
09:29<amdgoon>is this a lenny install?
09:29<bacberia>Was a lenny install.
09:29<bacberia>I upgraded it to squeeze
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09:31<amdgoon>I presume it was ok in lenny then.
09:33<amdgoon>what mainboard?
09:33<bacberia>Let me check.
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09:34<bacberia>gigabyte GA-EP43
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09:39<bacberia>Using aplay I can play sound.
09:40<bacberia>But I have to specify the device.
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09:41<bacberia>So the sound drivers work
09:41<bacberia>It's just this pcsp is somehow taking over when I've got it blacklisted.
09:42<amdgoon>ok, well that is positive. I am running out of ideas. It sounds like something is not identified or identified incorrectly
09:42<amdgoon>or that blacklisting failed, so that has to be corrected
09:43<amdgoon>I have an older dell with ICH6 family sound
09:44<amdgoon>I can "rmmod pcskr" and "modprobe pcskr" without problem. wonder why that one won't. This is on a sid install though.
09:45<amdgoon>i mean pcspkr
09:45<bacberia>Ah, the module is called snd_pcsp
09:45<bacberia>I tried rmmod snd_pcsp and it's gone.
09:46<bacberia>Going to test sound now.
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09:48<bacberia>Damn it, it's still there.
09:48<bacberia>Why wont it die!!!
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09:52<amdgoon>I see a note in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf on that sid machine, regarding pcspkr driver
09:53<bacberia>Whats the point of the blacklist if it somehow evades it.
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09:56<amdgoon>i'm getting a bit (lot) our of my depth here. Do you have a file call /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
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09:56<bacberia>On the boot up, it loads the pcsp pretty much right away.
09:57<bacberia>Theres also an alsa-base-blacklist.conf
09:57<amdgoon>yes same here
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09:57<amdgoon>I see a comment in there: # Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard
09:57<amdgoon>options snd-pcsp index=-2
09:57<dpkg>If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
09:58<themill>(depending on what modules you've got configured to go into the initramfs)
09:58<bacberia>That might be why.
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10:00<bacberia>By the way the module was listed as snd_pcsp but in the blacklist.confs they were listed as snd-pcsp
10:01<amdgoon>heh, nice
10:01<bacberia>I changed those as well to _
10:01<bacberia>And the bastard is still there.
10:01<amdgoon>themill: does that generate a new initrd.img file?
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10:02<themill>yes, it does
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10:09<amdgoon>sounds like blacklist is being ignored, so that fits the problem.
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10:15<bacberia>indeed amdgoon.
10:15<bacberia>I'll play with it in the morning.
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10:18<amdgoon>k, good luck
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10:38<Psirus>i'm still trying to connect a laptop via wireless lan
10:38<Psirus>the interface is found by iwconfig
10:38<Psirus>yet the network-manager doesn't see any networks
10:40<gsimmons>Psirus: What wireless LAN device do you have?
10:40<Psirus>it is a USB stick with the rt2501 chip
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10:41<gsimmons>Psirus: Have you installed the firmware-ralink package? /msg dpkg ralink firmware
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10:43<jricart>Psirus: newbie here, but you take a look at
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10:44<Psirus>there is only a soure package....should i install that?
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10:45<gsimmons>dpkg: rt2501usb
10:45<dpkg>The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide.
10:45<gsimmons>Psirus: See above. You need to enable non-free sources in order to acquire the package.
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10:49<Psirus>thanks alot
10:49<Psirus>that worked
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11:29<lore>hablar algien nooooo
11:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:29<lore>your name
11:30<kmap>lore: If you have some Debian related questions, please ask.
11:30<kmap>Else please be silent. Thank you.
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12:15<adb>is squeeze in freeze by now?
12:15<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. See also <squeeze kernel>.
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12:19<adb>Titan8990, yes, but is squeeze entered in freeze ?
12:20<Titan8990>adb, not according the wiki page from the factoid i sent you
12:21<adb>ok, thanks Titan8990
12:21<Titan8990>2009-10-18 : DebianSqueeze development freeze should be in March 2010, see announcement.
12:21<Titan8990>still February
12:21<bja>I wouldn't bet on it :)
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12:24<deadcat>can someone tell me how to setup x11 forwarding on windows using putty?
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13:06<melisa>quien eres
13:07<bja>!tell melisa about es
13:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:08<melisa>quien eres
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13:09<melisa>quien eres
13:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:11<dpkg>es-social is probably Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para debian en Espanol por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es
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13:11<bja>craps, had to leave when i had this new factoid
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13:20<libra_>anybody knows when kde 4.4 packages will be uploaded to unstable ?
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13:20<Natalia>adri estas?
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13:21<jmho_>libra_: "We're working on KDE SC 4.4; will be in Squeeze after that" (from topic of #debian-kde)
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13:21<libra_>ok thx for the info
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13:29<Oddtod>hey guys i was wondering if there was a better RDP client then Tsclient for debian distros?
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13:33*jhutchins_lt just uses rdesktop.
13:33<sney>me too ^
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13:34<sney>I guess that's your answer Oddtod
13:34<Titan8990>really wish that it had the ability to "toggle" fullscreen however
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13:34<Titan8990>as far as i know you either call it with -f or you don't....
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13:34<rindolf>Hi all.
13:34<Oddtod>Titan8990 thats kinda what i was looking for also
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13:35<rindolf>Where can I find the individual patches that compose ?
13:35<Oddtod>windows to windows RDP seems to be a lot smoother
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13:36<sney>I'm sure there's some proprietary microsoft crap helping ther
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13:38<Oddtod>yeah i'm sure that is some M$ BS that isn't helping. I know they released a client for Mac that works really well just as seamless
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13:46<libra_>Oddtod: "Remmina" seems to be a promising remote desktop client written in GTK+
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13:46<libra_>it's a sourceforge project by the way
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13:48<Oddtod>libra_: thank you i'll look into it i appreciate your help.
13:48<libra_>your wellcome
13:48<Oddtod>I appreciate all of your guy's help. Its great to have a place to get answers
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13:58<valentin>buna ziua
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14:00<Oddtod>libra_: this is pretty nice actually sir i'm going to have to give it a spin for longer to give a true review but i can already tell it has features i was looking for.
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14:04<libra_>good to hear that
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14:17<sney>I've noticed that apt/aptitude have been gradually taking longer and longer to do their maintenance tasks (reading database, etc)
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14:18<simonrvn>cut down on the number of sources, optimise the dpkg status file a bit
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14:27<orjan>simonrvn: how does one opitmise the status file?
14:27<simonrvn>google it, like i did ;)
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14:28<simonrvn>i'll warn you like the page does, be careful
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14:34<orjan>simonrvn: ok, was hoping for a faktoid but will google :)
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14:35<simonrvn>it's not for casual use ;)
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14:38<melisa>alguien del colegio santa a malia
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14:39<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para debian en Espanol por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es
14:39<melisa>soy lorena muñoz
14:39<melisa>my name
14:40<erKURITA>melisa este es un canal en Ingles, ve a #debian-es por favor
14:40<melisa>you name
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15:29<retrospectacus>how to up the number of files allowed open by a process?
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15:33<Titan8990>retrospectacus, curious, what are you using that ran into such limitation?
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15:35<retrospectacus>Titan8990:: apache mod_fcgi
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15:42<locklace>retrospectacus: try setting "nofile" for your user in /etc/security/limits.conf
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15:45<retrospectacus>* soft nofile 65500
15:45<retrospectacus>* hard nofile 65500
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15:46<retrospectacus>I think since apache is started by rc.d it doesn't use that file (it is not started with pam?)
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15:49<locklace>retrospectacus: first thing to try is just sticking a ulimit -n in the script
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15:54<Oddtod>in order for a file to be downloaded from a webserver what permissions do i need to have on the file?
15:54<Oddtod>i want to give people only the ability to read the file and download it but i have to give the file read and execute permissions
15:55<Guest405>What you're looking for is the "chmod" command.
15:55<Guest405>"man chmod" should tell you everything.
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16:00<scyrma>looking for some tips on an xserer-xorg-intel issue. I'm having the "Failed to detect GEM. Kernel 2.6.28 required." and "Failed to become DRM master" errors, but I'm running 2.6.32 (without bigmem, afaict).
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16:18<hossein>im new user of backtrack
16:18<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
16:18<hossein>i have a problem with install,
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16:19<hossein>ok ,but when i choice drive to install this massage in shown : No root file system is defined.
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16:20<hossein>plz help to install
16:20<locklace>hossein: wrong channel
16:21<hossein>which chaneel can i ask?
16:21<locklace>hossein: go to #backtrack-linux on
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16:29<vinicius>hi! i have a 3g connection throught ttyUSB on ppp0, i want to share it to a router, is that possible?
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16:35<hossein>excuse me, in that channel nobody to help . i'm just ask own qustion . can i install backtrack with winxp on 1 hard?
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16:36<locklace>hossein: backtrack is not supported in this channel
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16:37<hossein>where can i get help
16:37<locklace>!tell hossein about backtrack
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16:44<Pishguy>hi all . i have an error when compiling new kernel : /lib/modules/
16:44<Pishguy>who can help me ?
16:44<Pishguy>that not loading on boot
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16:45<Titan8990>well, which is it?
16:45<Japsu>Trying to update a newly installed lenny to squeeze and getting "insserv: There is a loop between service checkfs and lvm2 if started". How do I fix this?
16:45<Titan8990>does it occur at boot or when compiling a new kernel?
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16:45<Titan8990>Japsu, squeeze is still in testing and is generally not supported in IRC
16:47<Pishguy>i'm using LENNY . and i want too compile new kernel for testing
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16:47<Titan8990>Pishguy, alright.... and the error occurs when? are you following a debian guide for compiling a kernel or doing in old-school?
16:47<Pishguy>after compile and install add boot . i have ths problem
16:48<adb>Pishguy, try run, as root > depmod
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16:48<Pishguy>Titan8990 : yes . i using guide and etc
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16:48<Pishguy>adb : whats depmod ?
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16:49<adb> depmod --help
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16:50<devin>I seeing a few errors while booting into debian squeeze, but im not seeing thing when I look in dmesg where else might they be?
16:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
16:51<locklace>Japsu: did you follow the lenny->squeeze upgrade procedure
16:51<locklace>dpkg: tell Japsu about lenny->squeeze
16:52<Japsu>locklace: nope, I went full-upgrade right away... I guess that's the problem
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16:52<Japsu>oh well, this being a newly installed system, I guess it's easier to just install squeeze right away from scratch
16:52<Pishguy>dpkg : disable ? what ?
16:52<dpkg>Pishguy: I give up, what is it?
16:52<locklace>Japsu: no, you should still install lenny and then follow the lenny->squeeze procedure that dpkg just told you about
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16:53<Japsu>locklace: why is that? the netinst procedure does give me the choice to install squeeze there
16:53<Japsu>is the squeeze installer broken?
16:53<locklace>feel free to try it, though
16:53<Japsu>I'll make a LVM snapshot of my system before next try, then ;)
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16:54<Japsu>anyway thanks locklace
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16:58<joseeLeehxuunguerasSs>aii aarguien dee espaañaa??
16:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:58<joseeLeehxuunguerasSs>ajajaj.. kee maakiinoones kee taaaiis eechos..xD
16:58<joseeLeehxuunguerasSs>eenga maaqiinasS
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16:58<joseeLeehxuunguerasSs>Claro :D
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16:58<joseeLeehxuunguerasSs>IJos de puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutah
16:59<kmap>!ops joseeLeehxuunguerasSs needs some attention
16:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kmap complains about: joseeLeehxuunguerasSs needs some attention
16:59-!-mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ
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16:59<kmap>Hydroxide: Thank you.
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17:00<Japsu>oops, I accidentially non-expert install. this bad. :(
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17:01<Pishguy>dpkg: extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default .
17:01<dpkg>Pishguy: I think you lost me on that one
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17:02<Pishguy>dpkg : There compile time to disable it?
17:02<dpkg>wish i knew, Pishguy
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17:03<Japsu>non-expert install is FAST
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17:04<Pishguy>dpkg : Does this problem have introduced a new version that has been solved?
17:04<dpkg>Pishguy: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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17:05<adb>Pishguy, dpkg is a bot ..
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17:06<Pishguy>adb . ohhhhhh.
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17:06<Pishguy>adb . can you help me ?
17:07<adb>tried depmod ?
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17:08<chealer>Pishguy: just ask your question
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17:10<sniffer>what is -q flag?
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17:10<Pishguy>When the new kernel from the site I'll compile and completed without any problem appears, but does not boot time kernel Top
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17:11<streuner_>sniffer: s(he) cannot speak anymore
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17:11<sniffer>got it.. mute
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17:13<adb> -q means no_mute
17:13<sniffer>thx adb
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17:19<Japsu>locklace: got roughly the same error when following the procedure, this time with only three broken packages (mdadm, conscole-common, openssh-server)
17:19<Japsu>but this time I have a LVM snapshot, buhaha!
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17:26<inglor>is there a gui for pptp configuration in debian repos?
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17:48<chinna>hi! I just installed Debian Lenny on my lenovo laptop. How do I find out which video driver it has?
17:49<chinna>hi! I just installed Debian Lenny on my lenovo laptop. How do I find out which video driver it needs?
17:49<Bacteria>Do you mean which driver is running or what video card is in the laptop?
17:50<chinna>i mean what video card... Bacteria
17:50<amphi>chinna: lspci | grep VGA
17:50<amphi>chinna: what model is it?
17:50<Bacteria>Or you could google the model number.
17:50<amphi>chinna: the laptop, I mean
17:51<amphi>chinna: if it's a thinkpad, is your friend
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17:51<chinna>lenovo thinkpad sl 410
17:52<chinna>the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in the repo doesn't seem to work...
17:53<amphi>chinna: are you running lenny?
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17:53<chinna>amphi yes
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17:54<amphi>chinna: right; that card is not supported
17:54<amphi>chinna: see
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17:55<amphi>chinna: you could perhaps upgrade to the testing branch; that will be easier than backporting a bunch of stuff, I would think
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17:56<chinna>amphi, can I install the intel driver from testing?
17:57<amphi>chinna: I expect you'll need a newer x server too, and a kernel >= 2.6.30
17:57<chinna>hmm... how do I go about updating my kernel? never done it before.
17:58<amphi>as I said, upgrading your debian install to testing would be easier, IMHO - testing works well here
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18:00<chinna>how do i do it amphi? can I just change my repo from stable to testing and then upgrade?
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18:02<amphi>no bot?
18:02<dpkg>Test failed.
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18:02<chinna>dpkg has it amphi, thnx...
18:02<dpkg>i haven't a clue, chinna
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18:02<amphi>chinna: good-oh
18:04<sney>some things only show up when you /msg dpkg
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18:06<Bacteria>Hey guys, last night I did an upgrade from lenny to squeeze and I havent been able to get my sound working again. What I mean is my soundcard device exists, the driver is there, but pcsp is somehow taking over as the default card.
18:07<Bacteria>I have tried blacklisting the module in a number of files and it still exists.
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18:08<Bacteria>Oh and my sound does actually work, as I can use aplay and set the device to my card and it will play a wav file without any problems.
18:08<sney>there is a way to set your default sound device in .asoundrc
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18:09<Bacteria>Is that located in my home directory?
18:09<sney>I don't remember the exact syntax but it should be googleable
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18:10<Bacteria>Hmm, I don't even have the system asound.conf
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18:11<sney>Bacteria: they would be empty by default so they aren't there. the system will still utilize them if they exist.
18:11<Bacteria>Alright, I'll make one then.
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18:19<chinna>how do i find out the current version of my debian? whether lenny or squeeze?
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18:19<locklace>chinna: cat /etc/debian_version or lsb_release -a
18:19<Bacteria>Damn it, the pc speaker is still there.
18:20<locklace>!lose Bacteria
18:20<dpkg>Bacteria: You Lose.
18:20<chinna>can u please help me upgrade from lenny to squeeze testing...
18:20<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
18:20<locklace>dpkg: tell chinna about lenny->squeeze
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18:23<Bacteria>Does anyone have any ideas how I can get rid of this module?
18:23<Bacteria>It looks like it's the first thing the system loads.
18:24<dpkg>The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC-Speaker driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4.
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18:27<Bacteria>I'm using alsa 1.0.21.dsfg-2
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18:33<KrimZon>lol, a cartoon about text shorthand, preceeded by a big advert for "register4less"
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18:42<vinicius>hi! i managed other computers to connect to my dhcp server, but they cant access internet so far
18:43<Nemoder>what is your dhcp server?
18:45<vinicius>the client is able to see apache's server, but no internet at all
18:45<Nemoder>do you have a proxy or do you have NAT setup?
18:45<retrospectacus>is the dhcp server providing valid gateway and name-server records?
18:45<vinicius>Nemoder, no... its a direct connection through eth ports
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18:47<Nemoder>do you have enough valid IPs from your net provider?
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19:05<teage>Is it possible to rsync a mounted cd to a directory, make my changes, then rsync it back to the mounted cd?
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19:06<retrospectacus>a cdrw?
19:06<teage>well its just a iso at the moment
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19:07<teage>ive tried to edit within the mounted iso and it wont let me, so im wondering if i could just copy to directory and them copy back
19:07<retrospectacus>hummm I don't know. You could try it!
19:09<teage>wont let me
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19:10<retrospectacus>here is some directions
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19:10<retrospectacus>you will have to mount it, copy it, edit, then create a new ISO
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19:12<devin>do any of you know if the usplash-theme-debian work on debian squeeze?
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19:14<retrospectacus>devin: why wouldn't it?
19:15<devin>I don't know
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19:18<devin>I guess with how it used grub2 and everything being updated it someone how got outdated and wouldn't work
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19:21<retrospectacus>I think apt would handle that kind of dependency situation. Try it and see, I'd say
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19:26<mezzor>Hej people, I'm running testing, should I do my regular updated via aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade, which one?
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19:37<vhann>Hi, I can't find (nor remember) which package contains the 'v4l2-ctl' program on Debian Lenny. May someone tell me please?
19:38<vhann>Is that in the standard repositories?
19:39<mezzor>vhann: You can use for this, the search bar at the bottom.
19:39<adb>vhann, /msg dpkg apt-file
19:39<vhann>I've been searching the web and 'apt-cache search'
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19:40<vhann>I can't install it
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19:41<vhann>And I have lenny main
19:41<vhann>in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:41<vhann>Oh, contrib
19:41<vhann>Sorry all
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19:43<vhann>Thanks for the help btw :)
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19:45<mezzor>No prob :)
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19:59<vhann>Is there a way to have dhclient "broadcast" a hostname (/etc/networks/interfaces?)
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20:02<edhunter>vhann: if im not mistaken you have to write send host-name "hostname" in /etc/dhclient.conf
20:03<vhann>edhunter: I just did. Then I '/etc/init.d/networking restart'
20:03<vhann>Still can't ping by hostname
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20:06<edhunter>vhann: hm ok.. dont know then..
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20:06<vhann>Ahh, just found out
20:06<karme>adding hostname in dhclient will only tell dhclient to send that name to the dhcp server
20:06<vhann>You need to ifup eth0 the interface
20:07<vhann>karme: Well, isn't that what you'd want?
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20:07<karme>vhann: depends on what your dhcp server does with it
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20:08<karme>vhann: but if it now works for you, fine
20:08<vhann>karme: So what is the actual way?
20:08<karme>vhann: if it works it is fine
20:08<karme>vhann: the idea just was to take a look at the server side if it doesn't
20:09<karme>vhann: but likely you still don't have what reached what you want
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20:09<karme>vhann: the name should be resolvable by multiple hosts in that lan?
20:09<vhann>I find it odd that '/etc/init.d/networking start' doesn't call 'ifup eth0' by default
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20:10<vhann>karme: It does, I can 'resolveip ipHere' the machine
20:10<karme>vhann: on a different machine?
20:11<karme>vhann: and the dhcp server is?
20:12<vhann>DHCP/DNS server are the same machine (a Linksys router running DD-WRT in this case)
20:12<karme>vhann: i see
20:12<vhann>Ok, I did a couple tests, I indeed needed to add a 'send-hostname' in /etc/dhclient3/dhclient.conf
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20:13<vhann>I will never understand why someone would prefer dhclient over dhcpcd, but then I guess that is just me ^^
20:13<karme>vhann: i think typically on the linksys devices dns and dhcp are even a single process
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20:14<karme>vhann: insert server somewehere ;-)
20:15<karme>vhann: dnsmasq that is, i guess
20:15<vhann>karme: I think you're right. DD-WRT uses DNSmasq as DHCP/DNS server.
20:16<karme>a completely different solution would be something like avahi
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20:19<Chrono_Masters>Hey, good night.
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20:19<Chrono_Masters>I am using lenny and i installed iceweasel 3.5.6 by backports
20:20<Chrono_Masters>but now, if i try to click any menu it crashes;
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20:22<Bacteria>Alright, I've got my sound working, now I just need some help with autoloading the module.
20:22<Bacteria>For some reason udev isn't doing this for me.
20:23<Bacteria>I've tried creating modprobe config files and I can't get it to work.
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20:26<Bacteria>Does anyone know where I need to put something to auto load my config file in squeeze.
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20:56<opticon>can anyone help me figure out how to make partimage save backups on network drive
20:56<opticon>im looking at documentation but its not helping
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21:09<vhann>Is it normal if my system complains about a public key error when apt-get update with a '' repo?
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21:10<vhann>Ah ok, just found out it's normal
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21:11<edhunter>vhann: you can install the keyring package or get the key manually with gpg (doing the same thing right now :p)
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21:42<edhunter>clausen: if i remember correctly there is a #latex channel on
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21:42<clausen>edhunter, thanks, found it :)
21:42<edhunter>ah cool :)
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22:17<Zerocoolv1>Hello, I was wondering how could I get a bash script show status on login like this does:
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22:20<Bacteria>Zerocoolv1, you would have to find what they are using or code one up your self.
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22:20<Bacteria>I'm sure they exist.
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22:21<Bacteria>If you have access to the machine check the .profile or .bashrc file
22:21<Bacteria>The script might be in there...
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22:27<Zerocoolv1>hmm not there
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22:30<Bacteria>Are you sure it's a bash shell?
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22:31<Bacteria>Check your home dir for all files. If you see something like a .login, check out the file.
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22:44<joethehopper>hello everyone
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22:59<penguin>Hi, just testing here
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23:05<jdca_>howdy all
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23:07<Kakulikan>howdy all
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23:27<Zerocoolv1>I'm trying to setup quota for a user:
23:27<Zerocoolv1>Filesystem blocks soft hard inodes soft hard
23:27<Zerocoolv1>I don't see quota and I'm using edquota -u user
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