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00:42<prem>is there a way to manually add a screen resolution entry in my lenny box
00:43<Texou>maybe Xorg.conf?
00:43<prem>I want 1440x900 but by default it is taking 1024x768 only
00:44<prem>yeah I tried adding an entry "Mode" in Xorg.conf..still that new entry is not even shown under Screen resolution
00:44<Texou>maybe the card driver doesn't support more
00:45<prem>Texou, ooh what can be done for this..?should I install new driver..!!?
00:45<Texou>hmmm if it exists
00:46<Texou>are you sure the card supports more?
00:46<prem>any other way to do that..?without upgrading my PC
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00:47<Texou>dont know
00:47<Texou>sorry I've to leave now ... :(
00:47<Texou>good luck
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00:48<prem>anybody else..!?
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01:51<Emmanuel_Chanel>Configuring pppoe and interfaces, my network-admin of lenny on the tower PC doesn't recognize lan cards.
01:52<Emmanuel_Chanel>lan cards -> network settings.
01:52<Emmanuel_Chanel>Someone knows how I can help it? Even if no, I can connect the PC to the network.
01:53<jm_>pppoe can be configured via interfaces file
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01:53<Emmanuel_Chanel>Yes. I can...
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03:02<morph|away>i am trying to dual boot Debian with Mac OSX, im using rEFit because i can't see the GRUB any other way
03:02<morph|away>but when i select Debian
03:03<morph|away>it just goes to a black screen with a blinking underline
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03:03<morph_>any ideas
03:06<morph_>anyone here?
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03:21<jmm>hello everyone.
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03:36<stuckey>After reboot X fails to start.
03:36<stuckey>Log file says no driver found (nvidia)
03:36<stuckey>I was able to do a manual restart of gdm yesterday, and X started fine.
03:38<stuckey>all of the latest nvidia packages are installed (190.53)
03:38<jm_>paste x log on a pastebin
03:38<stuckey>jm_: which file exactly do you want?
03:38<jm_>stuckey: how many X logs do you have?
03:38<stuckey>jm_: I don't know
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03:39<jm_>stuckey: paste the one you mentioned above
03:39<stuckey>jm_: I don't know where it is.
03:39<jm_>stuckey: how do you know it says no driver found then?
03:39<stuckey>jm_: It just showed it to me, and if it said where it is located, I don't remember.
03:40<jm_>stuckey: define "it"
03:40<stuckey>jm_: computer boots, shows login prompt, screen flickers, then i get a blue screen that says "X failed to start", i.e. "it".
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03:41<jm_>stuckey: ok, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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03:43<jm_>did you read the bottom of it?
03:43<jm_>is your nvidia kernel module loaded?
03:43<stuckey>Shouldn't it do that automatically?????
03:43<jm_>i don't think so
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03:44<stuckey>jm_: So everytime I restart this thing, I get to see this blue screen, then I get to do an ctrl alt f1, login, depmod -a, then /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
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03:44<jm_>stuckey: no, add nvidia to /etc/modules
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03:44<stuckey>jm_: okay i'll restart and test now, thank you
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03:46<stuckey>jm_: same thing
03:46<jm_>stuckey: is nvidia kernel module loaded?
03:46<stuckey>jm_: how do I test that?
03:46<jm_>stuckey: lsmod
03:47<stuckey>jm_: lsmod shows nothing for nvidia
03:47<jm_>stuckey: ok check dmesg output
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03:48<jm_>did you perhaps upgrade the kernel and not build the nvidia module for it?
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03:48<stuckey>jm_: I did an upgrade, then I did m-a a-i nvidia
03:48<stuckey>jm_: then I installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx=ia32
03:49<jm_>stuckey: run 'modprobe nvidia' now
03:49<stuckey>jm_ FATAL module nvidia not found
03:49<jm_>stuckey: did you install the deb produced by m-a?
03:49<stuckey>jm_: no I just ran the command
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03:49<stuckey>m-a a-i nvidia
03:49<jm_>stuckey: ok, ls -lrt /usr/src
03:50<bency>hi, im a new debian user
03:50<stuckey>jm_: Was I suppose to install something from m-a a-i nvidia?
03:50<jm_>adding http:// in front of it would be helpful for lazy people like me
03:51<bency>after i installed debian i found i can't "make"
03:51<jm_>stuckey: you are running 2.6.32 kernel but there is no nvidia-kernel packaghe for it
03:51<jm_>!b-e bency
03:51<dpkg>bency: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
03:51<stuckey>oh god damn it
03:51<stuckey>jm_: which kernel did I have yesterday before the upgrade?
03:51<bency>let me try it thanks
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03:52<jm_>stuckey: how do I know? my guess would be 2.6.31
03:52<stuckey>jm_: which kernel do I select at boottime so that this thing works?
03:52<jm_>stuckey: the one for which nvidia kernel module exists
03:52<stuckey>jm_: 2.6.31
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03:52<stuckey>jm_: why isn't there nvidia for 2.6.32 and when can I know when there will be?
03:52<jm_>stuckey: run m-a again
03:53<jm_>maybe it failed to build it
03:53<bency>@dpkg it works
03:53<stuckey>jm_: you mean m-a a-i nvidia? or just m-a?
03:53<jm_>stuckey: m-a a-i nvidia
03:53<jm_>bency: dpkg is a bot
03:53<bency>how can i reply to someone who i want to?
03:53<stuckey>jm_: says its getting 2.6.32 stuff -- maybe this was broken last night or something?
03:54<jm_>stuckey: you shouldn't ask me what was happening last night on your system ;)
03:54<stuckey>jm_: says, bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel couldn't be found
03:54<jm_>stuckey: do you have them installed then?
03:54<stuckey>jm_: i didn't install them
03:54<jm_>stuckey: so do it now
03:55<stuckey>jm_: apt-get install kernel headers?
03:55<jm_>stuckey: no, the package is linux-headers-foo
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03:56<stuckey>jm_: i don't know which one I am to install
03:56<jm_>stuckey: the one that ends in the same string as your running kernel
03:56<jm_>dpkg -l|grep linux-image
03:56<dpkg>jm_: are you smoking crack?
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03:57<stuckey>jm_: do I want common or amd64
03:57<stuckey>jm_: m-a is now building
03:57<stuckey>on the second attept
03:57<stuckey>i'm testing it again
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03:58<jm_>you need to install the deb it builds
03:58<jm_>I bet it will fail again
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04:03<stuckey>jm_: thanks, it works now
04:03<stuckey>Does m-a just fail sometimes or?
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04:04<jm_>stuckey: no worries; it can fail many times, i.e. if relevant packages are not installed, or if something changed in the kernel and your sources are old etc.
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04:28<stuckey>jm_: I'm wondering though how it worked yesterday, since I didn't change anything or do any upgrades between the time it worked and the time I restarted it.
04:29<jm_>stuckey: you must have used the old kernel
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04:32<stuckey>jm_: yeah I didn't restart... that's why
04:32<stuckey>When I restarted it selected 2.6.32
04:32<stuckey>But why didn't m-a build for the 2.6.32?
04:32<stuckey>If upgrading had installed it, right?
04:33<jm_>stuckey: because it builds for the running kernel by default
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04:35<beers>does anyone know how to setup a mail server (from scretch) so bugzilla can sen mail`?
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04:36<bency>my clock is earlier than the reality
04:36<bency>how can i adjust it
04:36<bency>date -??
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04:37<cahoot>!tell bency -about set the time
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04:41<morph|away>anyone here that can help me?
04:42<jmm>hi morph|away .
04:42<jmm>ask your question first :)
04:42<morph|away>im on an iMac
04:42<morph|away>im trying to dual boot Debian
04:42<jmm>oh yea you need help !
04:42<morph|away>when i load debian
04:42<bency>my timezone offset is +8 but my local time was faster twice
04:42<bency>8 + 8
04:42<morph|away>all it gives me is a blank screen with a flashing underscore
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04:43<mrnice>hi, i want to use the ip=dhcp grub option with initramfs to get an ip before ldap complains about no network on start, do i need a hook, because without dhcp wont be used
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04:43<morph_>when i check my disk utility it shows that the partition is bad
04:43<morph_>Invalid BS_impBoot in boot block: 000000
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04:43<morph_>ive tried EVERYTHING
04:43<morph_>im on a 64bit intel
04:43<morph_>guy told me the other day to get the amd 64
04:44<morph_>is that right?
04:44<jm_>for debian? yes
04:44<morph_>so how do i fix this?
04:44<morph_>like i said when i click to boot debian its just a black screen with a blinking undersore
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04:45<morph_>i have no idea what to do and neither does anyone else
04:46<morph_>am i just screwed and cant install debian alongside OSX?
04:46<morph_>jm_ ^
04:46<KrimZon>does it happen absolutely immediately?
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04:47<jm_>morph_: I can't help you, my systems don't need EFI boot loaders
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04:47<beers>does anyone know a good guide to how to setup a mailserver for bugzilla?
04:47<morph_>yes KrimZon
04:47<morph_>goes straight to the black screen with blinking undersore
04:48<morph_>ive even tried rEFit
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05:03<beers>does any of you know a good guide to setup one (I dont care witch) mail server so bugzilla can send authentication mail?
05:05<jm_>!drec beers
05:05<dpkg>beers: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root
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05:07<beers>that was the easy part, but I dont know what to to set it up to work (I have tried with defaul values but the mails never get the the right inbox
05:08<RealMurphy>beers: If you have an upstream provider, just use the smarthost setup
05:08<RealMurphy>beers: i.e. send all mails there and let them do the rest
05:11<beers>upstream provider is like gmail?
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05:15<Usuario>hay alguien?
05:15<Usuario>no pos bale
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05:31<RealMurphy>beers: sorry, was afk, yes, if they let you send email via their SMTP servers
05:31<jm_>they do if you authenticate AFAIK
05:31<RealMurphy>beers: I would assume you need to use smtp with authentification
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05:31*RealMurphy does not use gmail, thus I dont know
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05:32<themill>the debian wiki used to have a guide on setting up exim to use gmail as a smart relay
05:32<RealMurphy>that one?
05:33<themill>looks familiar
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05:33<themill>note that the exim maintainers don't like it... so make of it what you will
05:34<petemc>marc haber can be a bit of a jerk
05:34<RealMurphy>I'm off as well here as I'm using postfix
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05:45<beers>RealMurphy: I have tried to set it up using and sending a mail to my spam account and in the log I can find but the mail never arrived
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05:47<petemc>beers: hotmail isnt a good domain to test with, they silently delete mail
05:51<beers>I just retestet it on my workmail and another gmail. The mail arrived on the gmail but not on my workmail. Could that be something to do with I am using gmail as smtp?
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05:55<joel_>Hi i am having problems trying to install lenny in a Dell server that has SATA hard disks. The installer does not detect them.
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05:56<jm_>joel_: try installer with newer kernel
05:56<beers>how can he install a new kernel when he cannot install debian?
05:57<jm_>hence the suggestions says to use *installer with* newer kernel
05:57<jm_>not install newer kernel
05:57<beers>so you suggest that he install squeeze?
05:58<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
05:58<joel_>it's amazing, we are at the end of feb 2010 and debian doesn't detect sata drives yet..
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06:02<joel_>jm_: any of those images are supposed to support sata drives?
06:03<jm_>joel_: stable also supports sata drives
06:03<joel_>jm_: no it does not.
06:03<jm_>joel_: yes it does
06:03<joel_>jm_: no, if it would support do you think i would be here asking?
06:03<jm_>joel_: ...
06:04<prem>my squeeze works fine at most of the times..but sometimes suddenly the monitor goes black.,like a switch off and a few seconds it is back
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06:04<prem>why it is happening so..problem with the xserver ..?
06:04<joel_>jm_: so...?
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06:04<themill>joel_: the etch installer had no issues installing on my laptop with SATA drives so it's not as if "debian doesn't detect sata drives yet" as you claim.
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06:06<joel_>themill: tell me, then why it doesn't detect my hard drives? actually, i thought it was before i had a "fake raid" on both sata hard drives, but i removed it, and changed in the bios to set the SATA Controller as "ATA Mode" and it's still not detecting them.
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06:07<matteo_>salve a tutti
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06:08<matteo_>vorrei installare anjuta su lenny ma da synaptic ho visto che ha delle dipendenze molto forti
06:08<matteo_>e ho paura che mi comprometta il sistema...
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06:08<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:08<matteo_>sorry to hall
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06:10<joel_>well thank you very much by your help, it was _very_ useful
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06:25<bency>how can adjust my date ?
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06:28<stuckey>bency: man date
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06:28<stuckey>Usage is awkward, and I don't remember how to do it.
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06:38<muh2000>hi, debian squeeze, system upgrade and suphp stopped working what could be the error?
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07:08<Yd1985>you speak english
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07:08<ledus>how are you talking with?
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07:10<XayOn>Yd1985: ...
07:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:10<XayOn>markitus1: Tu tambien, lee lo de arriva, por favor.
07:10<Yd1985> vale
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07:11<XayOn>sorry, s/arriva/arriba/ :D
07:11<Yd1985>ya lo he leido
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07:13<XayOn>Yd1985: Primero, en este canal se habla inglés. First of all, in this channel we speak english...
07:13<seanius>muh2000: maybe breakage with suphp for 5.3?
07:13<muh2000>seanius: dunno :/
07:14<Yd1985>what itś de canal we speak spanish
07:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:15<Yd1985>good bye
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07:16<XayOn>lol... I did that already. And he quit instead of joining debian-es...
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07:37<Flakk>Hi people, I have a question which is not really debian-specific but maybe somebody will be willing to help. I bought a hard drive 640 gigs. I formatted it and created a new ext3 partition. Now when I want to see the "properties" of the corresponding folder I have: 596.2 GB, and 556.8 gb free, 30 gb used. However I never have put anything in this folder, for me it is empty (except "lost+found" which is about 16 kb. Why do I have less
07:37<Flakk> space than I should? thanks
07:37<muh2000>maybe it is reserved space....
07:37<petemc>by default 5% of an ext3 filesystem is reserved for root
07:37<jm_>!reserved ext3 space
07:37<dpkg>To change the amount of reserved space for root on an ext3 filesystem, use tune2fs. (This is a BAD idea, know what you're doing.)
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07:38<Flakk>petemc: Oh ok, so actually if I formatted it as ext2 I would get more, right?
07:38<jm_>it's the same in ext2
07:38<muh2000>-m 1 for one%
07:39<Flakk>thanks! this explains why it says 30gb used, since 30gb = 5%of 600 gb.
07:39<Flakk>but initially there was 640 gb
07:39<jm_>640 is in units of 1000, not 1024
07:40<Flakk>jm_ : I see, however 640/1024 = .625, not .596
07:41<Flakk>so if I have 640*1000 megas, than it is 625*1024 megas
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07:42<morph>anyone here?
07:42<jm_>Flakk: it's not calculated like that, roughly you lose 7.5% or somesuch (640*1000*1000*1000/1024/1024/1024)
07:42<Flakk>(it is not that it hurts me very much, I am just curious to understand what is going on)
07:42<morph>i need help with something
07:42<morph>i installed iceweasel
07:42<muh2000>Flakk: / by 1024
07:42<morph>and gail notify
07:42<muh2000>3 times
07:42<morph>its asking me for dir to my browser
07:42<Flakk>jm_ - I see
07:42<morph>and i dunno it
07:42<morph>how can i find out?
07:43<morph>ubuntu is a lot easier to use than debian :(
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07:43<Flakk>jm_ : now it is exactly 596. Thanks for the explanation!
07:43<petemc>morph: 'which iceweasel'
07:43<morph>jm_, any idea?
07:43<petemc>morph: or dpkg -L iceweasel
07:43<morph>i dunno?
07:43<morph>how can i find out
07:43<morph>i believe i did apt-get install iceweasel
07:43<petemc>morph: 'which iceweasel' is a command, type it in a terminal
07:44<morph>thats my dir?
07:44<petemc>if you think ubuntu is easier, you should just use ubuntu
07:45<morph>i like how debian looks
07:45<morph>can i make ubuntu look like this?
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07:45<morph>i didnt install server pack when i installed
07:45<morph>can i install it now & how
07:46<jmm>what's that server pack ?
07:46<morph>when i was installing
07:46<jm_>task, use tasksel
07:46<morph>there was an option for server
07:46<morph>debian server i suppose
07:46<morph>im on home debian
07:46<morph>how can i install that?
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07:47<jm_>run tasksel
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07:48<morph>how do i put a check in one?
07:49<jm_>space wasn't it?
07:49<morph>ur awesome thanks
07:49<morph>this stuff is complicated
07:50<jm_>so now refit works?
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07:51<morph>jm_, do u know anything about ubuntu
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07:54<natulmith>morph, it just seems to be complicated, but is not more complicated than what ubuntu was when you used it first time. one thinkg to make ubuntu 'look' like debian is to just use clearlooks as theme instead of the ubuntu's one, but there are so many things that make these 2 distros different.
07:54<morph>or anyone?
07:54<jm_>morph: not much no
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07:55<morph>i want to ake ubuntu look like debian
07:55<morph>i love this layout
07:55<morph>but im not comfortable with debian
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07:58<chuche>AY ALGIEM
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07:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:59<chuche>POR FIN UN ESPAOL
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08:00<chuche>de k parte de españa eres
08:00<chuche>esk este chat es la primera
08:00<jmm>I don't speak spanish.
08:00<chuche>vez k entro
08:00<jmm>it was the only sentence I know.
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08:01<jmm>go to #debian-es .
08:01<chuche>this puy to new red
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08:03<jmm>yes ?
08:03<chuche>the red debian-es
08:04<jmm>umm ?
08:04<xayon>no, chuche el canal debian-es
08:05<chuche>yes but the red debian-es
08:05<chuche>no la encuentro
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08:05<xayon>chuche: No, en la red debian... en la que estas hombre
08:05<chuche>es k
08:05<chuche>to los k encuentro
08:05<chuche>aki son americanos
08:05<chuche>y es la primera
08:05<xayon>¿Que pasa hoy con los hispanoparlantes que llegan a cientos a #debian sin saber nada y escribiendo asi?
08:05<chuche>vez k me meto
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08:06<joel_>anyone has experience installing kmuto images?
08:06<chuche>k pongo
08:06<chuche>nuevo canal
08:06<chuche>en ventana
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08:06<chuche>hola juanillo tu eres espñaol
08:06<chuche>es la primera
08:06<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
08:06<juanillo>tu de donde eres
08:06<chuche>vez k te metes
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08:07<chuche>de andalucia
08:07<chuche>pero es k me dicen
08:07<juanillo>yo de malaga
08:07<xayon>por favor /join #debian-es
08:07<chuche>k me tengo k meter en el canal debian-es
08:07<chuche>y ahi estan los españoles
08:07<chuche>y juanillo no se como hacerlo
08:07<chuche>es la primera
08:07<xayon>chuche: simplemente, pon /join #debian-es
08:07<chuche>vez k me meto
08:08<xayon>chuche: lo escribes y ya esta :)
08:08<chuche>en ventana
08:08<chuche>busco nuevo
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08:08<joel_>chuche: deja el flood, quieres?
08:08<xayon>chuche: No hagas tanto, no hace falta, y por favor, no escribas una puta frase por linea
08:09<chuche>solo busco ayuda
08:09<xayon>chuche: Respeta las normas, o te echaran.
08:09<chuche>y no me decis los pasos
08:09<noflash>chuche, please speak english in here
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08:09<chuche>ya pero es k no se como meterme
08:09<noflash> /ignore -replies chuche
08:09<chuche>en el de español
08:09<xayon>chuche: coño, que escribas /join #debian-es
08:10<chuche>en k lugar
08:10<xayon>chuche: aqui donde me hablas a mi.
08:10<xayon>chuche: sin mas.
08:10<chuche>ok hubieras empezado por ahi
08:10<chuche>solo tengo 10 años
08:10<xayon>chuche: encima protesta, joder...
08:11<xayon>wassup with 10yo spanish boys entering here?
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08:11<xayon>chuche: Os estan enseñando debian en el colegio o algo asi?
08:11<chuche>nos acaba de dar los ordenadores
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08:11<chuche>la junta de andalucia
08:11<chuche>join #debian-es
08:11<joel_>con el slash primero animal
08:11<xayon>chuche: con una barra antes, hombre
08:11<xayon>joel_: xD
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08:12<jmm>does anyone know I can check size of a tape on a DAT ?
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08:13<xayon>OMG... so, junta de andalucia let spanish kids some debian-based computers... and that's the reason they're here... trolling...
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08:14<chuche>no tenemos clase
08:14<mebilgin>what are you saying man
08:14<bremner>new debhelper rule? 3 lines of spanish = kick :)
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08:20<ppl>Hi! I wonder if it's possible to create architecture independent preseed file for d-i with base-installer/kernel/image set. Any ideas?
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08:25<khades>yesterday i've built nvidia 190.54 drivers and then they worked until i reboot system
08:25<khades>then nothing gl-ish didn't work and X wont start with nvidia
08:25<khades>what could be wrong?
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08:26<khades>32trunk kernel on squeeze
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08:31<khades>ye, nice support, guys
08:31<xayon>khades: ey! don't troll. can be hundreds of things, and with this info noone could help you.
08:32<xayon>khades: it's like "ey, I built the drivers, but i rebooted and wontwork anymore". Well... it's exactly that.
08:32<jar>if you wanna paypal me $15 ill dedicate the next 30 minutes to solving your issues, otherwise enjoy the free tech support
08:32<xayon>jar: lol =D
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08:33<khades>that's strange that all opengl stuff get broken only after reboot
08:33<khades>i reinstalled libgl
08:34<xayon>khades: nah, just it's not loading the module for some reason, and if we don't know how you did it...
08:34<khades>nothing says why
08:34<khades>Segmentation fault
08:34<khades>from mplayer and totem etc
08:35<xayon>khades: tired to ask the same. I give up with you dude.
08:35<xayon>khades: and, not, with a segmentation fault, it's not likely the problem is that simple as "module not loading" :( sorry for you.
08:35<jm_>libGL should be the one provided by nvidia-glx package if nvidia driver is used
08:36<khades>ok, i installed nvidia-drivers with hands from .sh package
08:36<jm_>that's not supported here
08:36<khades>is there any possibility to break that sh-package into debs?
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08:36<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
08:36<jm_>go to the wiki and follow instructions
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08:42<jmm>do you guys ever used those magnetics tapes ? I gotta record 30gb of files on a 72gb 'compressed' magnetic tape, but it fail with no space left on device.
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08:42<khades>oh, there's 190.52 in sid
08:43<jmm>I thinked it was 36 uncompressed .
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08:44<sanjoy>I have been trying to install the Nvidia drivers using m-a-a-i nvidia but am getting this ( error out of which I cannot make out anything. Please help.
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08:46<jm_>sanjoy: which version of nvidia module is this?
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08:48<sanjoyd>jm_: Don't know. What do I do to find out?
08:48<sanjoyd>jm_: Nothing mentioned in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/README or anything.
08:49<jm_>sanjoyd: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source
08:49<sanjoyd>jm_: 173.14.09-5
08:50<jm_>sanjoyd: that won't work with 2.6.32 kernel
08:50<sanjoyd>jm_: Any idea how do I get my display working properly under 2.6.32 then?
08:50<jm_>sanjoyd: which debian release are you using?
08:50<jm_>install nvidia stuff from unstable
08:51<sanjoyd>By editing sources.list?
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08:52<jm_>I recommend you use to get the links and download by hand
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08:54<sanjoyd>jm_: Cool, I'll try that.
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08:55<khades>any awesomewm 3.4 users with shifty?
08:55<sanjoyd>jm_: What I have here is relatively new installation. Was wondering _how_ unstable unstable really is? Can we use it for regular desktop use?
08:56<sanjoyd>jm_: Since I might, then, consider upgrading. I really have nothing to lose.
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08:56<bremner>!tell sanjoyd about sid
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08:56<jmm>khades: stable doesn't have 3.4 yet :(
08:56<jm_>sanjoyd: better not if you need stability
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08:57<khades>i love awesome2
08:57<khades>it isn't in unstable
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09:00<khades>i can install it from stable
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09:00<jpinx-eeepc>khades: see backports
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09:00<jpinx-eeepc>it might be in thre
09:00<khades>no there's no
09:00<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
09:00<khades>i already usin squeeze
09:01<jpinx-eeepc>khades: ah - ok - I can't help you then - sorry
09:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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09:01<jpinx-eeepc>khades: try that maybe ^^
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09:03<khades>it is not easy to set up awesome
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09:04<jmm>khades: umm it's not very hard either.
09:04<khades>no that's hard
09:04<jmm>I don't use advanced stuff, but I found the config file quite handy.
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09:04<khades>goddamn lua
09:05<khades>goddamn that badly documented stuff
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09:09<joel_>anyone has installed kmuto images? it keeps telling me that there is a kernel mismatch :s
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09:14<jm_>I used them in the past, but not the 2.6.32 ones
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09:16<mercutio22>my eeepc screen is randomly going black!
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09:21<joel_>jm_: you only have to download either boot.img.gz or netboot image right?
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09:27<mercutio22>here. does .xsession errors reveal anything interesting?
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09:27<snogglethorpe>btw, if anybody was thinking of updating g++ 4.5 in experimental.... don't!
09:27<snogglethorpe>(libstdc++6 is borked, and lots of stuff in debian uses it...)
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09:27<rulus>Hi, I'm using squeeze and I want to install qgis, however it is not available. How do I fix this the most elegant way? (waiting is not an option)
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09:29<themill>snogglethorpe: you can probably conclude fairly safely that it's in experimental for a reason
09:30<snogglethorpe>themill: of course
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09:31<snogglethorpe>themill: but people do us experimental, and it's far more severe a problem than you usually get from compiler-related stuff, so it seems worth a warning
09:31<snogglethorpe>[us => use]
09:31<themill>snogglethorpe: bts?
09:31<snogglethorpe>themill: seems to already be a bug
09:31<themill>!why is qgis not in testing
09:31<dpkg>qgis is not in testing for the reasons listed in
09:31<themill>rulus: ^^. If the bugs keeping it out of testing aren't too bad, then consider making a testing/unstable mix to get it. /msg dpkg tum
09:32<themill>(given that it's waiting on the hdf5 transition, I suspect that won't be very easy)
09:32<rulus>heh, ok, thanks anyway
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09:48<Psirus>I just installed squeeze and am now trying to connect to my wireless network
09:48<Psirus>i am using an rt2501usb card, and after i installed the rt73usb drivers, the interface is working and it "sees" several networks
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09:49<Psirus>however, when i try to connect to my network, i cant choose wpa, which it is....only wep and leap
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09:55<KrimZon>i have a removable drive with an ntfs partition - how do i get it to mount so that i have write permission to it?
09:55<cahoot>!tell KrimZon -about ntfsrw
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10:08<KrimZon>hmm... i dunno
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10:15<anurag>can anybdy tell me how to pair my cellphone wid my lappy via bluetooth its nt working
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10:16<anurag>my cell is sony ericsson c510
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10:22<jiohdi>debian is called an operating system.... but what is it really? just a group of packages and libraries right?
10:22<jiohdi>the actual OS is the kernel no?
10:23<Gathond>tricky question that
10:23<jiohdi>pls explain
10:23<Gathond>what is actually the OS and what is the applicatiosn
10:23<Gathond>I would say debian is linux (+ essentials) as an OS and a distribution of packages on top of that
10:24<jiohdi>essentials meaning?
10:24<Gathond>kernel + glibc +init + some other bits
10:24<Gathond>without which it would do nothing
10:24<Nabilou>Actually "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh locales did the trick
10:25<jiohdi>so ubuntu is another varient of the same, but not the same essentials?
10:25<KrimZon>oh... closer to it working
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10:26<Gathond>jiohdi: this is just my oppinion on the split
10:27<Gathond>it could be argued the entire thing is the OS, but more conservatively one would probably split it at what is marked as essential packages and what can be optionally installed on top
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10:29<jmm>linux is the kernel, gnu is the os.
10:29<jmm>it's quite easy.
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10:31<Gathond>jmm: parts of GNU I would say, there are probably also in debian non gnu essentials at this point, and some GNU items I would say belong at the application side
10:31<Gathond>anyway, time for at quick bath
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10:31<jiohdi>thanks Gathond
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10:36<maria>soy española
10:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:37<xayon>more? :(
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10:37<KrimZon>cahoot: i'm stuck
10:37<zeroXten>how reliable is preseeding?
10:38<the-dude>zeroXten: what?
10:39<zeroXten>from - "The preseed method isn't perfect. I had lots of trouble preseeding exim and eventually I replaced exim with postfix"... i am just wondering whether preseeding is worth looking at for automated debian deploys
10:39<jmm>zeroXten: I use it, it's very cool.
10:39<jmm>and I found it very reliable, maybe it's not the case everytime.
10:40<zeroXten>well, i'd basically be looking to just get a system up and running with a few basics like hostname/ip and with puppet installed ;)
10:40<zeroXten>puppet can then take care of the test
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10:41<jmm>sound good so.
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10:41<zeroXten>sweet.. i shall have a play
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10:41<the-dude>zeroXten: yeah its nice :)
10:42<the-dude>zeroXten: but it does have some annoying network bugs
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10:43<zeroXten>like what?
10:43<rulus>themill: qgis install from sid went fine, thanks :)
10:44<themill>rulus: excellent
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10:49<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
10:50<jmm>apt-get moo
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10:59<father0fnine>Is there an active IRC channel for iceweasel/firefox/mozilla that anybody is aware of?
10:59<the-dude>zeroXten: some issues with netcfg and dhcp
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11:00<petemc>father0fnine: theres
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11:03<KrimZon>i could just format the drive to ext, have a separate ntfs partition for the windows machine's backup
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11:04<ratriot>"Squeeze" release date?
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11:06<ratriot>Info: Processes 128 Uptime 59 min Memory 224.0/938.7MB Client X-Chat 2.8.6 inxi 1.2.6
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11:07<KrimZon>aha, i installed disk-manager and it fixed it in 2 seconds
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11:09<rafa>emesene: protocol not supported :S
11:09<rafa>help please use debian lenny "stable"
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11:11<bremner>!tell rafa about ask
11:12<bja>!es-social rafa
11:12<dpkg>rafa: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:17<fred1>ok.. I have a mythtv server, running version 0.21.svn20080706-0.0 of myth, which I installed from dmm
11:17<fred1>and a couple clients
11:17<fred1>I need to install it on another client.
11:17<fred1>but apparently, theres a new version, and the old version is gone
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11:18<fred1>due to mythtv acanity, you absolutely must be running the same version. it has a shitfit if you try to use mismatched versions
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11:18<fred1>I do not want to reinstall/upgrade the server and the existing clients, I just want to install one new client (frontend) machine..
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11:19<fred1>would be hndy if packagers at least kept 'one version back' in repos
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11:19<fred1>anyone know where I might get the previous version packages?
11:19<dpkg>from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshots>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at
11:19<dpkg> (soon to be is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
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11:20<Titan8990>fred1, there ya go
11:20<fred1>er... what?
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11:20<fred1>does that include stuff from ?
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11:20<fred1>mythtv isnt part of debian itself, afaik
11:20<Titan8990>ah, probably not
11:20<fred1>not sure why
11:20<Titan8990>likely licensing issues with codecs
11:21<fred1>hrm.. let me look closer at this.. the old versions might be there, just not referenced easily
11:22<fred1>hrm.. there do seem to be a few even *older* versions, but not the one that matches what I have
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11:22<Titan8990>fred1, maybe you can just apply a patch to one of the older ones and rebuild that package
11:22<fred1>versions for etch
11:23<Titan8990>thats me being optimistic though
11:23<fred1>I was sort of hoping to be able to quickly reinstall myth on my kids laptop so he could watch some tv in bed, since he's sick.
11:24<fred1>mythtv's versioning and compatibility is a PIA to start with.. and having packages disappear just becuase theres a newer one doesnt help.. sigh
11:24<fred1>I wish there was something better than myth, that supported IPTV recording, had a reasonable simple menu, with datadirect support for scheduling
11:25<fred1>maybe I'll try a google search for the debs I need...
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11:25<Titan8990>fred1, i agree, does sound like a pain
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11:29<fred1>seems to be some reference to an iso of dmm from 2008-11 here.. but its on some russian warez site.. cant seem to find the link to the actual iso
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11:30<petemc>fred1: vdr doesnt do what you neeD?
11:30<petemc>its the pvr of choice for tv pirates
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11:31<fred1>this is for kids/family to use to watch tv or stuff recorded
11:32<fred1>iirc vdr is just a cli recorder?
11:33<fred1>hrm.. vdr looks like it wants a set top box or something
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11:34<petemc>just a dvb card
11:34<fred1>can it record from udp multicast stream?
11:34<fred1>no, no dvb
11:34<fred1>no antennas
11:34<fred1>just IP/network
11:34<fred1>no cable, no sat..
11:35<fred1>myths 'network recorder' works
11:35<fred1>or whatever its called now
11:36<fred1>well.. I suppose since I cant find the old version, i guess I'm gonna stop the backend machine, and see how badly I can screw up the backend and how many weeks it will be offline
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11:37<fred1>ok.. my kid is watching on one of the other clients.. asked "I can install it on your laptop but I have to shut down the server for a while" - the answer is 'nah, do it later'
11:37<fred1>so thats the official word ;)
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11:55<bja>Does anyone knows of a nice tuto on rdns, i fgi but it points me to dns tutos and very basic stuff
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11:58<Titan8990>bja, you just need to add PTR records
11:59<bja>Titan8990: On my dns?
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11:59<bja>Titan8990: or on my *isp* dns server?
11:59<Titan8990>bja, on your bind server... unless im confused by the question
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11:59<bja>ok, i'll try to fix it thx
12:00<Titan8990>bja, if you need to be able to rdns lookup on your IP address, your ISP has to be the one to add the PTR record
12:00<ansgar>bja: In the zone used for rDNS. We don't know on which server that would be in your case.
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12:00<Titan8990>bja, public IP i mean
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12:02<bja>Titan8990: thx you are right
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12:02<bja>ansgar: thx I'll research that also
12:02*bja picks his stuff and goes to have a long telephone call with his isp
12:03<Titan8990>bja, it should be fairly standard for them if they allow SMTP servers
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12:04<bja>Titan8990: It is allways a pain to talk to teleco companys staff. Their policy usually is, "If only one asks for it, ignore him"
12:04<khades>uzbl don't downloading any stuff
12:04<khades>pressin link lots of time and nothing
12:04<debacle>can anyone help with a driver to be built under debian please ?
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12:07<jmut_>hi. how can I hold package for particular version only. For example hold php 5.3* but not 5.2*
12:07<Titan8990>debacle, what driver is that? for what device?
12:07<jmut_>I tried reading apt-get man but couldn't find my way into this topic
12:08<themill>jmut_: you can't have php packages for both 5.2 and 5.3 installed at the same time anyway
12:08<Titan8990>judd, versions php5
12:08<judd>php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5
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12:09<debacle>jmut_: this is a USB-toRJ45 adapter. lsusb report (Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0b95:772a ASIX Electronics Corp. )
12:09<debacle>Titan8990: this is a USB-toRJ45 adapter. lsusb report (Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0b95:772a ASIX Electronics Corp. )
12:09<debacle>jmut_: sorry, message was for Titan8990
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12:10<debacle>Titan8990: Here is the driver page;71;101&PLine=71
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12:13<jmut_>themill: I don't want to. I want if repository suggest I upgrade to php 5.3 I hold 5.3 but still if 5.2 new versions are out..I want them
12:13<cahoot>debacle: the module isn't provided by your kernel already?
12:13<debacle>cahoot: no it isn't :-(
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12:14<Titan8990>debacle, looks like you need the full kernel source and not just the header files
12:14<cahoot>found in Linux Kernels: from 2.6.14 release still available on 2.6.33 release
12:14<themill>jmut_: what? I have no idea what you're trying to achieve
12:15<debacle>Titan8990: so what do i have to apt-get ?
12:15<themill>jmut_: you're implying that you have 5.3 versions (on hold) and 5.2 versions (upgradable) on the same machine. This isn't possible with the debian packages.
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12:15<Titan8990>debacle, apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
12:16<jmut_>themill: example. Have php 5.2.12 installed. on upgrade dist suggest php 5.3.1 so I put on-hold as I still want 5.2. But then I see there is php 5.2.13 out there and I can't really tell I want this version cause I holded php due to not wanting 5.3.1 makes more sense?
12:16<Titan8990>debacle, may have to manually move the sources to /usr/src and possibly set a variable to show thats where the sources are
12:16<jmut_>themill: hm ok... I thought it's possible.
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12:16<themill>jmut_: there is no php 5.2.13 package anywhere in debian and there never will be
12:16<Titan8990>jmut_, sounds like you have added a repo you shouldn't have
12:17*themill gets ready to blame dotdeb...
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12:17<debacle>Titan8990: i'm downloading kernel source ...
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12:18<themill>jmut_: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5"
12:19<jmut_>themill: I may but when you see sidux you'll say this is not debian concern :) so I try to approach issue with general question
12:19<jmut_>themill: thanks for input though. think I get the picture.
12:19<themill>jmut_: this isn't a general question at all though... this is a very specific question caused by strange packages from out-of-debian repositories. Please ask the sidux people in future.
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12:20<Titan8990>!based on debian
12:20<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
12:20<themill>(you'll find them in #sidux)
12:21<jmut_>themill: the general question was if you have package version 5.1 and then suggested upgrade to 5.2 branch can you still get updates to 5.1 branch without upgrading to 5.2 and the answer is no..debian don't do this. so thanks
12:21<debacle>Titan8990: download finished how do i move source to /usr/src ? i do not know where apt place kernel sources.
12:21<sney>debacle: it's already in /usr/src, you just need to untar it
12:21<debacle>sney: ok
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12:22<themill>jmut_: debian doesn't but we have no idea what sidux does or doesn't do. Please understand that it's impossible for us to sensibly answer questions for debian derivatives -- the tools they use are frequently heavily patched and we don't know in what ways.
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12:23<jmut_>themill: sure I never asked answering for derivatives :) thanks last time for time spend. helped a lot
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12:24<sney>and if you ever want to trade sidux's ease of install for an OS with better support, you know where to find us jmut_
12:24*themill never found installing debian difficult
12:25<sney>me neither, except in cases with odd hardware
12:25<jmut_>sney: only reason I use sidux instead of pure debian is I need a bit more up-to-date packages. don't consider installing of any OS any issue. but lets not go deep. last thing I want is flame or anything. I love debian it's community/package base and all
12:25<sney>but it's my impression with sidux that you can just click one thing and walk away
12:26<sney>a bit more up to date, but still under php 5.3
12:26<sney>heh, whatever floats your boat man
12:26<jmut_>seems not familiar with php business...and why I need 5.2 still there.. not the channel for such disucssion
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12:28<sney>the man said those who fail to understand the debian policy (and the reasoning behind it) are doomed to reimplement it, poorly
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12:28<sney>distro teams are always saying "oh a minor version upgrade is *fine*" but maybe it isn't
12:28<sney>ah well
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12:32<debacle>kernel source download has finished, now i have a "linux-2.6-2.6.26" directory in ./ is ok for an mv ./linux-2.6-2.6.26 /usr/src
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12:33<sney>it should be linux-source-2.6.26
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12:35<debacle>sney: thanks
12:35<sney>but yes you can have all manner of directories in /usr/src so long as the correct one is symlinked to /usr/src/linux
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12:37<debacle>it doesn't work . Make error
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12:39<Titan8990>debacle, its still trying to use the headers instead of the sources
12:40<debacle>Titan8990: please help me !
12:41<sney>you probably have to edit the makefile to get it to look in the right place
12:41<sney>should be fairly obvious
12:41<jhutchins_lt>debacle: What guide to building kernel modules are you following?
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12:42<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, its a single header and source file for a driver that is part of a PPC dev kit
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12:42<Titan8990>im looking at the Makefile now and im really not sure how it determines the kernel sources directory
12:42<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Don't we have a module build guide?
12:42<debacle>jhutchins_lt: the included read me ! i've installed kernel-headers-2.6.26-ppc and then make
12:43<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Why do we even need more than the kernel headers to make the module?
12:43<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, there is m-a... but this is likely different since it requires header files found in the sources but not the headers
12:43<jhutchins_lt>Hm. Packaged by someone not working with regular releases then.
12:43<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, sorry, source file
12:43<Titan8990>usbnet.c <--- not in headers
12:44<jhutchins_lt>Possibly set up for building on a system with a different source structure.
12:44<jhutchins_lt>"No target" is a pretty clear error, was there a ./configure?
12:44<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, no
12:45<Titan8990>debacle, try making a symlink from the usbnet.c file in the sources to the location in the headers
12:45<sney>oh wait, the /lib/modules-`uname -r`/build directory is probably symlinked to the headers. link it to the source instead
12:45<debacle>there is no ./configure only makefile.
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12:47<debacle>Titan8990: you're right build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-powerpc
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12:51<debacle>Titan8990: now build points to /usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.26. but it still do not work.
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12:52<Titan8990>debacle, did you try what the error says?
12:54<debacle>Titan8990: make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'. Stop.
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12:55<Titan8990>debacle, try: `cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux-2.6.26-2/.config; make prepare`
12:56<debacle>Titan8990: Ok. If i try to build this driver in a lenny 5.0.4 (kernel 2.6.26-2-686) make give me no error and i find the .ko file. It doesn-t work on powerpc !!
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13:00<debacle>is it possible this driver cannot be build on ppc version ??
13:00<Titan8990>debacle, hehe, atleast you got it compile, thats an accomplishment
13:00<debacle>yes ... but i need the ppc not the intel version
13:01<Titan8990>debacle, it shouldn't have done any cross-compiling
13:02<debacle>any tips or tricks ?
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13:16<father0fnine>Frak.. It has been SOOO long since I had to make a *.deb...
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13:27<Muzer>Is there something like hexdump(1) but produces a format easier for scripts to cope with? Basically I just want to convert some ASCII into hex as part of a script, and don't feel like writing a long parser for the hexdump output (unless there's a way to make it have easier output)
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13:30<flow_>Hello! I have a networking issue and can't seem to find good terms to google myself a solution. Any help on "one hop fail"-for-some-sites ?!?
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13:35<flow_>I'll take either some good terms to search for or hands-on help :-)
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13:36<dpkg>If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable.
13:36<flow_>my router box can connect to the site, but on the client I can't
13:36<flow_>lynx on router, browser on client
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13:36<flow_>sney - I didn't want to flood here, in case another discussion was going on
13:36<sney>are you proxying dns?
13:37<flow_>ping works
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13:38<flow_>99% of all sites work, it's just some that don't. This problem used to occur with my previous ISP quite a bit
13:38<sney>flow_: are you proxying dns?
13:38<Titan8990>flow_, but the some that don't work on your debian box which is the network gateway?
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13:39<flow_>sney: I don't really know what to answer. Titan8990: I don't understand your Q either
13:39<sney>alright, easier question:
13:40<flow_>sney: I haven't installed any proxy software on the router
13:40<sney>can your client reach those sites by ip address?
13:40<flow_>I can ping them, but nothing happens in the browser
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13:40*flow_ feels better for not having a 'simple' problem then :)
13:41<sney>what sort of router is it? ipcop?
13:41<Titan8990>flow_, are you using a proxy of any kind such as squid?
13:41<flow_>Titan8990: no
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13:41<flow_>sney: it's just a linux with shorewall
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13:43<flow_>sney: TBH (I know this is #debian) .. it's Ubuntu (*blushes*)
13:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:43<sney>your router or your client or both?
13:43<sney>don't jump the gun Titan8990
13:43<flow_>sney: both (more shame) .. I've just gotten too lazy for plain debian :-/
13:44<sney>yeah, and the result is that we can't support you. nothing personal, we just have no experience with ubuntu's differences
13:44<Titan8990>sney, i did jump the gun a bit.... but today we have had some interesting things
13:44<Titan8990>its like today is sunday
13:44<flow_>and the ubuntu channels are too crowded with total n00bs, you guys I remember as helpful and less full of chatter :-)
13:44<sney>install debian then and we'll be glad to help
13:45<flow_>heh, fair enough
13:45<sney>sorry you decided to use a noob OS
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13:45<flow_>any terms I could try looking up on? I tried for TTL and stuff in /sys/proc/net/ipv4/.. .. but nothing helpful turned up
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13:46<Titan8990>all i will say is: tcpdump
13:46<sney>it probably isn't DNS, it might be routing related somehow, but I'd look deeper into your shorewall rules first.
13:46<sney>yes, that as well.
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13:47<flow_>ok, thanks.
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13:58<rakter>u using backtrack 4_
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14:08<Titan8990>sney, hey... i need some slackware support
14:08<flow_>grr. I really should go back to good 'n pure debian. those ubuntu'ers are sooooo [censored-for-your-comfort]
14:08<Titan8990>sney, hehe, i get a bit bored around lunch time :P
14:09<sney>the only way to get slackware support is to unplug from the network and figure it out by yourself
14:09<sney>I fixed many slack-8.1 issues during storms when the phone lines were down
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14:36<Golfgeo>Hi all
14:37<Golfgeo>Got a small problem with my portable harddrive. It seems that I somehow can't repartition it with a reiserfs partition as a first primary partition and an ntfs partition as the second logical partition... What could be wrong?
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14:38<Titan8990>Golfgeo, what tool are you using to partition and what is the error?
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14:39<Golfgeo>Titan8990: cfdisk and the error is that when I plug it in I can't mkfs any partitions past the first logical one....
14:40<Golfgeo>Titan8990: So /dev/sdb6 /dev/sdb7 are missing... And somehow there is a /dev/sdb2 ???
14:40<Golfgeo>Titan8990: I thought I would mkfs the two ntfs partitions in WinXP and there are none to be found???
14:41<Titan8990>with the information given, there should be /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, and /dev/sdb5
14:41<Titan8990>Golfgeo, why would you think there is a /dev/sdb6 and 7?
14:42<Titan8990>Golfgeo, scratch that, just pastebin fdisk -l
14:42<Titan8990>and uname -a please
14:42<flow_>sney: BTW, I got a tip to disable tcp_window_scaling, this seems to fix the issue for many people, not for me though :-/
14:42<Golfgeo>Titan8990: will do, brb
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14:42<Titan8990>Golfgeo, wrong window
14:42<flow_>some background-info:
14:43<kop>flow_: Yes. Some machines' tcp is broken.
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14:45<allu2>what is "-bash" ?
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14:45<flow_>indeed, I'm just trying to find a way to fix this - I just figured out how to use tcpdump, but I can't make (much) sense of it's output
14:46<Titan8990>allu2, context?
14:46<allu2>just noticed it
14:46<Titan8990>flow_, use tcpdump's -w option to write the output to a file, then open it in wireshark on a different machine
14:46<allu2>ajpservutin:~# okokok
14:46<allu2>-bash: okokok: command not found
14:46<allu2>and after
14:46<Titan8990>allu2, bash is the shell your using
14:46<allu2>ajpservutin:~# bash
14:46<allu2>ajpservutin:~# oko
14:46<allu2>bash: oko: command not found
14:46<allu2>what was the "-"
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14:47<allu2>Titan8990: ?
14:47<Titan8990>allu2, not sure, whats the output of `uname -r`?
14:48<allu2>on this comp there was too just bash and not "-bash"
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14:49<allu2>Titan8990: any idea what it is?
14:50<sney>allu2: what are you trying to do?
14:50<Golfgeo>Thats the info on pastebin and also the partitions I can see from the commandline
14:50<allu2>sney: find out what is "-bash"
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14:50<sney>where did you hear "-bash"
14:50<Titan8990>Golfgeo, not exactly what i asked for....
14:50<allu2>sney: i talked about it above
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14:50<Titan8990>Golfgeo, paste the output of: `partprobe; fdisk -l; uname -a`
14:51<sney>oh, I see what you mean. the - is just indicating that it's a login shell.
14:51<Titan8990>it appears that cfdisk is hiding extended partition from you
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14:51<Titan8990>and also, the kernel might still be using old partition table
14:51<Titan8990>sney, interesting
14:52<Golfgeo>one moment, updating the pastebin
14:52<Titan8990>yep, tested and confirmed]
14:52<allu2>sney: ah
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14:54<Golfgeo>wierd fdisk can't seen /dev/sdb
14:54<flow_>Titan8990: why did you say on a different machine? (wireshark) - I'm currently trying to compare the failure against a successful http connect
14:54<flow_>but even wireshark isn't helping in seeing any helpful difference
14:55<Titan8990>Golfgeo, pastebin the output please
14:55<Golfgeo>Note: sector size is 1024 (not 512)
14:55<flow_>should I compare the tcpdump of the router connection and the client connection maybe?!
14:55<Titan8990>flow_, becuase wireshark is a GUI application and I assume that your router doesn't have a gui...or monitor
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14:56<Titan8990>flow_, make the capture on the router, look at in wireshark wherever you prefer
14:56<flow_>indeed, but I was dumping client data ATM - isn't that what I should be doing, since the router has no issue itself
14:56<Golfgeo>That should be it :-)
14:56<flow_>sorry, I feel terribly slow today :-/
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14:56<Titan8990>flow_, tcpdump host <ip of client> -i <interface> -w output.pcap
14:58<Titan8990>Golfgeo, partprobe segfaulting is a really bad sign
14:58<Titan8990>Golfgeo, but you are in the wrong channel
14:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:59<sney>we should really have something in the topic
14:59<Titan8990>sney, hehe, as if people read it?
14:59<sney>replace the /msg bots thing with a "No Ubuntu Support"
14:59<Golfgeo>Titan8990: I know, installing Debian on the external drive... And since I messed up my main Debian (/dev/sda) I installed kubuntu as a stopgap mesure
15:00<Titan8990>Golfgeo, the debian installer is perfectly capable of partitioning a disk
15:00<Titan8990>Golfgeo, but partprobe crashing and fdisk output leaves me to believe that a) ubuntu is even more unstable than i think b) your having some hardware issues
15:00<Golfgeo>Titan8990: ah, but I did try that :-) It gave an error that the sector size is 1024 and not 512....
15:01<Titan8990>Golfgeo, then there may be a problem with your external drive
15:01<Golfgeo>Titan8990: I think it has to do with the usb controller on the samsung drive (build directly into the drive)
15:01<Golfgeo>lol, about the same thought :-)
15:02<adb>Golfgeo, used graphical-install?
15:02<Golfgeo>adb, nope, can that help in this instance?
15:03<flow_>Titan8990: now I'm seeing lots of differences! Maybe the easiest is 74 bytes VS 76 bytes "on the wire" - is that useful info?
15:03<miha>Hi! I need help with flash. I use Debian testing and iceweasel that is in the testing repositories. I have Shockwave flash 10.0 r45 plugin in iceweasel. With apt-get i installed flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound. But still pages like don't work completely. I can see all the pictures and links and links get highlighted when i move mouse over them, but i can't follow them - when i click on a link, nothing
15:04<miha> happens. Do you have any clue what could be the problem?
15:04<Titan8990>not sure, additional bytes could be NAT encapsulation, depending on which interface your looking at
15:04<hersoy>hello, how can i install squirrelmail on debian lenny? thanks
15:04<adb>Golfgeo, i'll test that : swap the internal disk with the external , and do a install
15:05<Titan8990>hersoy, have you ever installed an application in debian?
15:05<adb>Golfgeo, on this 'new' internal disk
15:06<Golfgeo>adb: Crap If I didn't have an Acer laptop (and therefor some panels I could open) I would do exactly that lol
15:06<Titan8990>Golfgeo, is it too late to return the drive?
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15:07<Golfgeo>Titan8990: nope, can return it, but it is so nice, small and light :-(
15:07<adb>Golfgeo, external is 5"25 disk ?
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15:07<adb>small .. put in inside then ..
15:08<Golfgeo>adb: Samsung S2 portable (320gb powered usb)
15:08<Golfgeo>I'm gonna try to fdisk it from my server (running Debian)
15:08<Golfgeo>USB 1.1, but it might do the trick! :-)
15:08<adb>Golfgeo, still , try to put in side,
15:09<Golfgeo>No access panel so I would have to dismantle the entire laptop...
15:09<hersoy>Titan8990, how can i install and setup squirrelmail on debian?
15:10<Titan8990>hersoy, why should i answer your question if you don't answer mine?
15:10<adb>Golfgeo, not so hard , i'll do it for you ..
15:12<Golfgeo>kernal 2.6.26 and then: fatal error, Unable to open....
15:12<dpkg>tr is probably türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
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15:13<Titan8990>Golfgeo, yep, RMA the drive
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15:14<Golfgeo>I believe if I repartition it to fat32 it will once again work...
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15:15<adb>never ..
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15:20<natulmith>anyone using nvidia drivers on sid willing to pastebin a xorg.conf file? though any other xorg.conf file will be great too...
15:21<adb>natulmith, X -configure , will generate xorg.conf for you
15:22<adb>or , X -configure :1 , if X is running
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15:22<Golfgeo>Thanks mates :-)
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15:23<natulmith>adb any chance to test it without restarting x?
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15:24<adb>yes, il you know how to start it on tty8 ,
15:24<Titan8990>natulmith, for nvidia drivers you should use `nvidia-xconfig` instead of X -configure
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15:26<natulmith>Titan8990, for some reason it didn't worked. that's why i thought that it will be easy to see how others made it work.
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15:27<sney>sid is a bit broken at times
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15:29<Titan8990>sney, he took off already
15:29<Titan8990>oh, and back
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15:30<natulmith>erm. sorry. did i miss something?
15:30<sney>but in most cases the nvidia driver will work fine so long as it says "nvidia" in the Device section
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15:32<Titan8990>damn proprietary drivers preventing us from leaving xorg.conf behind forever
15:32<sney>they're working on some free thing for nvidia though, yes?
15:33<natulmith>i thought so, but noveau isn't really working...
15:33<Titan8990>sney, yep noveau but still far from being ready
15:33<Titan8990>think it was just recently added to upstream kernel
15:34<sney>at least there's something being worked on
15:34<natulmith>so i just replace 'Driver "nv"' with Driver "nvidia"?
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15:36<Titan8990>sigh... a day of sid and ubuntu support
15:38<sney>natulmith: worth a shot
15:38<sney>sorry, parrot typing
15:39<natulmith>just saw on some forum that i should also remove the line Load "dri" from the Section "Module"
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15:39<natulmith>will give it a try like this. brb
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15:44<natulmith>didn't worked. it said can't load nvidia module.
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15:44<sney>please pastebin your errors if you want any more assistance
15:44<Titan8990>natulmith, and you followed debian instructions using module-assistant?
15:46<natulmith>had to since there isn't a nvidia package available for sid from what i saw...
15:46<natulmith>i've musta borked something though
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15:46<Titan8990>natulmith, module-assistant uses an nvidia package from the repos.... are you sure thats what you did?
15:46<Titan8990>natulmith, why are you using sid?
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15:48<natulmith>need sid to use aes-xts encrypted root
15:48<sney>Titan8990: module-assistant compiles the module for all releases except stable
15:48<natulmith>squeeze didn't had an option on installer, so i used debootstrap and made a sid install
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15:49<sney>well, it's a better reason than "lol cuz it's the newest"
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15:50<natulmith>hehe, actually that was the #1 reason.
15:50<sney>you probably could have gotten squeeze installed but if you're ok with the inherent instability of sid and the fact that it's usually too new to be well supported, then I guess that's fine
15:50<sney>but you should know that officially we don't support sid here
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15:51<natulmith>i know
15:51<sney>the nvidia drivers are an exception because it's the same ones for squeeze
15:51<Titan8990>sney, except stable? you mean except unstable?
15:52<sney>no. it compiles the module for all releases except stable, which has precompiled modules in apt.
15:52<natulmith>after all, where's the fun in running something that doesn't break now and then?
15:52<Titan8990>sney, i have always used m-a for building nvidia module on stable
15:52<Titan8990>sney, its recommended in the guide on the wiki
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15:53<sney>m-a a-i nvidia on stable looks for precompiled modules first
15:53<sney>in apt
15:53<sney>and usually finds them, unless the kernel just changed
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15:54<Titan8990>sney, i do: `m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source`
15:54<sney>module-assistant is more than just a handy frontend to make/gcc
15:54*sney shug
15:54<Titan8990>which appears to build the module regardless
15:54<sney>so you're forcing it to build you a module
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15:54<Titan8990>(becuase i have had build failures)
15:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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15:55<Titan8990>sney, yes, and i just double checked, thats how the guide has you do it
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15:56<Titan8990>well, there is another section that uses apt-get to install the prebuilt module
15:56<sney>ok listen
15:56<sney>if you do this : 'm-a a-i nvidia'
15:56<natulmith>erm, found the problem. i forgot to install nvidia-glx. shame on me.
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15:57<Titan8990>sney, i understand... maybe you could add that info to the wiki page :)
15:57<sney>it used to be on there
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15:57<sney>this is why wikis are annoying
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15:57<Titan8990>it says the page is immutable? wth
15:58<Titan8990>sney, still *much* better for community documentation than forums IMO
15:58<flow_>Titan8990 sney : Thank you both for your help. I'll probably install Debian/GNU to fix it! :-) CU!
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15:58<Titan8990>flow_, good luck
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15:59<sney>ohh, I see what I'm thinking of: dpkg's response to both <nvidia squeeze> and <nvidia m-a> recommend 'm-a a-i nvidia' as the command to install the nvidia module.
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16:00<sney>it makes sense, if you're using stable then you have the stable libs and kernel and the prebuilt module will be fine, whereas with squeeze and up that stuff is always changing
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16:02<flow_>Titan8990 sney : WT*?!?!?
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16:02<flow_>I just tried this "coz' I hadn't any other idea"
16:02<sney>flow_: eh?
16:02<flow_>since this used to fix it on my old ISP sometimes too
16:02<flow_>I just reconnected
16:03<flow_>and the connections work
16:03<sney>workaround, not solution
16:03<flow_>does this mean the problem is with my ISP?
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16:03<sney>natulmith: ?
16:03<Titan8990>natulmith, looks like sid to me
16:03<sney>I get that warning too. it's meaningless
16:04<Titan8990>also looks non-fatal though
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16:04<natulmith>it is sid
16:04<flow_>I mean, it only started showing up again today, and I reinstalled the router box, but if a different ISP-gateway fixes it.. I AM CONFUSED!
16:05<natulmith>so, editing xorg.conf and reboot should make it work? or just edit xorg.conf?
16:05<sney>just restart X probably
16:05<sney>flow_: my money is on some hairy ubuntu customization throwing a wrench in the works
16:05<flow_>do you know of something like #talk-with-network-gurus to help me figure out what's going on?!?
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16:06<flow_>must be, since it started to occur since the reinstall
16:06<natulmith>thanks adb.
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16:06<sney>#iptables on freenode might be a good one
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16:06<flow_>but if it's not a reliable/reproducable problem how on earth am I going to narrow it down?!
16:06<flow_>sney- thanks!
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16:06<adb> #networking too
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16:11<Titan8990>adb, i had never found #networking to be very helpful outside of "which router should i buy?" type questions
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16:14<lokky>hi lero
16:15<lokky>lero, do you can help me ?
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16:17<Titan8990>lokky, ask your question to the channel
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16:20<adb>Titan8990, never needed it , so far (it #networking)
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16:20<Titan8990>adb, I had a couple difficult ones that still remain a mystery to me today....
16:20<adb>but sound so #networking ..
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16:49<nit>hey i need a lil assistence about filtered ports
16:50<nit>someone ?
16:51<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
16:52<nit>Hi. I'm starting a service in port 9998, in my localhost the service is open (as nmap says). But outside its filtered. I needed to open it to the WAN, not just LAN. How can I do it?
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16:54<nit>Hi. I'm starting a service in port 9998, in my localhost the service is open (as nmap says). But outside its filtered. I needed to open it to the WAN, not just LAN. How can I do it? (IPTables are in accept policy with no rules, and services apt-geted like 'www' run fine)
16:55<flow_>nit: is the service running on a machine directly connected to the WAN?
16:56<nit>flow_: its a virtual debian that uses venet0:0 to connect to WAN, as ifconfig says.
16:57<flow_>but it's the same box as that webserver?
16:57<nit>flow_: (it is not virtualizated in my machine, its outside of it, have a fixed ip also)
16:58<nit>flow_: yes, its in the same.. the difference is that webserver i apt-geted and dpkg done all, but this service (palaceserver) is configured by an ancient script.
16:59<nit>flow_: seems like its restricted to localhost, due to some debian rules that were not configured.
16:59<flow_>maybe the service itself doesn't listen on anything but the loopback device (
16:59<nit>flow_: I searched in google but I couldent figure out how to do it. I belive is not hard, just need to know where to change.
17:00<nit>I belive that is the problem. Do you know how make it listen outside of it? or what i need to search for to find out that?
17:02<flow_>are we talking about this:
17:02<nit>yes i am
17:02<flow_>it looks like it really should be readily accessible
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17:03<flow_>and you can access it from a remote box in the LAN?
17:04<nit>I dont have access to other computers in lan.
17:04<nit>see if you can read this topic
17:04<nit>i belive you can
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17:05<nit>there I just dumped some data from netstat and nmap
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17:05<flow_>yes, look at pserver.conf
17:05<flow_>what does BINDADDRESS say?
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17:05<nit>i tryed it localhost and the external ip from the machine
17:06<nit>both the same behavior
17:06<flow_>it should be the external IP
17:07<nit>yes, its just like this now
17:07<flow_>and FRONTEND ends with ""?
17:08<nit>this config makes netstat local address as *:9998 and external *:*
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17:08<nit>which seems the correct, like the webserver is.
17:10<nit>I also tryed changing the listen port to something like 8080 to see wasent the port blocked, but then the same bahavior: loopback open, outside filtered.
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17:11<flow_>well, if your policy is ACCEPT it can't be the firewall
17:11<flow_>it seems you have the same issue as the poster of that topic (is it you?)
17:12<nit>yes, is me
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17:13<nit>Is just that, the server is restricted to loopback or to lan.
17:13<nit>And I have no idea how to make it avaliable in WAN :/
17:14<flow_>this really is a software issue, so not on-topic here .. but hey
17:14<flow_>what does the startup log say
17:14<flow_>specifically the line "listening on ***:99*"
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17:16<geckos>What menus I need to set to y/m in kernel menuconfig, to get a generic support for USB pendrives? kernel 2.26.31
17:17<geckos>I try every one Device Drivers->UBS... ... I got the modules.. but they don't up at boot ):
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17:17<nit>flow_: It dosent say that in log, just about it internal ports. There is a way to iptables a route from loopback to wan? like nat iptables?
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17:18<cahoot>geckos: why not use a debian kernel?
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17:19<geckos>cahoot, I use it .... but I want one more compact ..
17:19<cahoot>short on space?
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17:21<flow_>nit: what internal ports? DNAT should be possible, I maintain my iptables via shorewall though.
17:21<flow_>nit: since this is off topic - let's PM this discussion!
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17:25<Guest27>I have a great little script that runs a backup proceeder for me however at then end of this currently working script it sends the backup to a remote server via scp and when this is done it needs a password.... MY QUESTION IS: how do i have the scp or the scrip retrieve and use a password without transmitting or storing a plane text password?
17:26<petemc>USE KEYS
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17:28<flow_>Guest27: why not use .ssh/authorized_keys ?
17:28<flow_>oups, petemc beat me to it
17:29<Guest27>petemc as i read the man file i see that -B (batch mode) states that it prevents the asking of a password? is this what I am looking for, or should i do as you suggest and if so then how do I use keys?
17:29<petemc>i would say use keys
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17:30<flow_>Guest27: ssh-keygen on the sending box, then put the generated .ssh/ into the receiving boxes .ssh/authorized_keys
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17:30<Guest27>flow_ ok let em try it
17:31<RedLance>I haven't had much luck getting samba sharing to work from my workstation desktop. I'm setting up a dedicated file server, is there a distro that you can recommend for such a task?
17:31<petemc>samba is much the same on any distro
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17:34<RedLance>petemc, Ok...can you point me to a site with information on getting smaba and windows Vista and/or & to play nice?
17:34<petemc>i didnt need to do anything special to get samba working with my sons windows 7 laptop
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17:35<RedLance>petemc, Hmmm, ok, I guess I'll just try again. Thanks!
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17:37<ml|>Guest27: you can use ssh-add and/or keychain to keep the key around and make sure to use a good passphrase with the key
17:38<petemc>using a passphrase defeats the purpose
17:38<ml|>not with keychain
17:38<petemc>oh, right
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17:39<paggas>When I press U in aptitude, does it do a full-upgrade or a safe-upgrade?
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17:51<kostix>any wmii users here? where am I supposed to place it's user's rc script? debian lenny, wmii 3.6+debian-4
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17:55<akarito>Hi, I was wondering (if this is even the correct place to ask) whether or not the Debian version of SeaMonkey (Iceape, I think?) is available at all on Lenny. I've searched through dpkg/apt with all sources on, and nothing appears. I've also searched backports, and nothing.
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17:57<themill>!iceape lenny
17:57<dpkg>Iceape, the unbranded version of Mozilla SeaMonkey for Debian is not in Lenny. See and
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17:58<paggas>akarito: Seems it's only on testing :|
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18:00<geckos>akarito, why not epiphany ?
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18:06<akarito>geckos: Mainly out of nostalgia (Netscape on Windows)
18:06<akarito>geckos: But what's odd is that there's no backports, even.
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18:09<akarito>geckos: And on Epiphany, the icon theme makes it look horrible.
18:09<akarito>geckos: My icon theme, sorry.
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18:10<geckos>akarito, I see.. it's a matter of passion
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18:10<geckos>there is iceape in etch??
18:10<akarito>geckos: Er, somewhat? I just like it for the "classic" style and all-in-one.
18:10<akarito>geckos: Yes, there is.
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18:13<geckos>that will a etch package works properly in lenny?
18:13<geckos>I think this is not a good idea
18:14<sernylan>Is there a virtual package one can apt-get to have all the basic necessities to compile source code, e.g., gcc, make, autoconf, etc.?
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18:15<sernylan>I remember when all that stuff was stock equipment.
18:15<dpkg>it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
18:16<akarito>geckos: I don't know if getting packages from etch would be safe, due to dependencies.
18:16<ikarus>security updates
18:16<sernylan>Thanks dpkg! :)
18:16<ikarus>I think all Mozilla package in etch are EOL
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18:17<azeem>eh, all of etch is EOL
18:17<ml|>etch is not supported
18:17<akarito>azeem: EOL?
18:17<ikarus>end of life
18:17<ikarus>ie, not being updated anymore
18:17<ikarus>not even for security fixes
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18:18<ikarus>but erm, isn't etch still receiving security updates as old-stable ?
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18:18<sernylan>Anyone updated to k3b 1.70.0? -- I think migrated to testing just yesterday or so.
18:18<themill>ikarus: not any more
18:19<ikarus>ah, just a few weeks ago
18:21<sernylan>Went to burn a DVD iso (just made multiple copies of the same with the previous version) -- it burned 31%, then quit, saying it couldn't open the device.
18:21<Aleric>Apparently my browser can't run java applets... I have no idea what I should install, or how to get it working :/.
18:22<themill>Aleric: you've presumably installed the java plugin? (/msg dpkg install java)
18:22<Aleric>I have 'java enabled' in the browser...
18:22<ikarus>Aleric: you'll need one of several packages that provide a jre and java plugin
18:22<themill>Aleric: squeeze?
18:24<geckos>Aleric, this help ???
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18:25<geckos>works for me at lenny
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18:26<akarito>Er, anyway then, is there anything like that, as an all-in-one suite? (Sorry about inactivity, I'm doing two things at once)
18:26<kenyon>those instructions for installing java are unnecessary
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18:27<wrealcon>I have just installed debian :D it is my first time... and my wireless does not work :P
18:27<ml|>it's problably that ipv6 bug, if using squeeze
18:27<wrealcon>debian does not see card
18:28<wrealcon>no drivers I assume
18:28<cockroach>wrealcon: what kind of card?
18:28<Aleric>Thanks, installing icedtea-gcjwebplugin and restarting the browser made it work.
18:28<wrealcon>and when I have downloaded something from intel (intel 3945)
18:28<Aleric>err, I didn't install that... I went for sun-java6-plugin
18:28<wrealcon>I have no idea what to do with it
18:28<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
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18:29<geckos>"that" works for me >:
18:29<cockroach>you're welcome :)
18:30<geckos>icedtea is new for me,,, living and learning
18:31<wrealcon>hmm... on that wiki side is written to add non-free repo
18:32<wrealcon>what kind of repo ? I have only 2 DVDs from debian and update which I do not know how to apply :D
18:32<ml|>dpkg: tell wrealcon about non-fee
18:32<ml|>dpkg: tell wrealcon about non-free
18:33<wrealcon>I;m a child of windows :D so, please, be patient :D
18:33<kenyon>wrealcon: read what dpkg said
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18:33<ml|>wrealcon: /msg dpkg non-free sources ; also
18:33<wrealcon>aaa :D
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18:41<akarito>Sorry if I'm again inactively messaging, but what would happen if I direct downloaded the bz2 from Mozilla?
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18:42<sney>akarito: it might work but it's unsupported here so you'd be on your own with any issues.
18:42<ml|>nothing if you don't extract it
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18:43<akarito>ml| I know that, it looks compiled, though
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18:43<akarito>sney: Ph, okay.
18:43<ml|>it is
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18:51<wrealcon>i have a problem with: " aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi"
18:51<wrealcon>he says, there is no such package
18:52<wrealcon>in sources.list all non-free are available
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18:52<cryingthug>Hello, I have been trying to connect to an X server remotely but I get the error "cannot open display" after trying to start gimp. I first typed: xhost +servername, then ssh servername, then export DISPLAY=servername:0.0, then I try to start a progrm but I get the error message: cannot open display OR E233: cannot open display. How do I fix this?
18:52<ml|>did you aptitude update first?
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18:52<wrealcon>ee... no...
18:53<ml|>dpkg: tell wrealcon reference
18:53<ml|>dpkg: tell wrealcon about reference
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18:54<weasel>cryingthug: don't. ever. use. xhost.
18:54<ml|>wrealcon: read what dpkg said so you learn about debian, also /msg dpkg grounding ; for more linux learning
18:55<weasel>cryingthug: just ssh -X servername, then run gimp in that session.
18:55<cryingthug>why weasel?
18:55<weasel>security nightmare
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18:56<cryingthug>weasel do you know how to set that up if I did want to do it the insecure way?
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18:57<weasel>yes, but you should just use ssh with -X
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18:57<cryingthug>I was just curious as to what I did wrong. I want to learn.
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18:59<interbird>Anyone can setup something insecure; to set-it-up secure requires skill -- that you wish to learn...
18:59<cryingthug>Interbird yes that would be good too.
18:59<ml|>yeah, no need to learn the bad way to do things ;)
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19:05<cryingthug>Is there a way to make an LVM installation on two hard drives while installing Debian? When I do a LVM installation it only installs on one drive then I have to add the second one later. I would like to set up LVM and have /home stretch across two drives. Can this be done?
19:06<wrealcon>last question for today :) when I make aptitude update, I have on all ignored status.
19:08<interbird>Dunno exactly, but while installing Debian you have the option of loading addition drivers and stuff; IIRC, there is also an LVM-option, but I could be talkin' out-of-my ...
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19:13<interbird>"Ignored" status usually has to do with specific settings; does apt-get of an ignored aptitude package say the same ?
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19:14<interbird>IOW, does apt-get install <package> (that aptitude ignores) work ?
19:14<interbird>(or update)
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19:16<gloopy>how do I d
19:17<gloopy>find out i find what video driver i'm i
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19:17<interbird>lspci|grep video
19:17<gloopy>using - sorry for the multi line post
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19:19<interbird>open terminal, give command: lspci | grep -i VGA
19:20<gloopy>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AS [Radeon 9550]
19:20<ml|>that will not tell you the driver used tho
19:20<gloopy>which means I must be using the open source ati driver
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19:22<gloopy>fglrx has stopped supporting the old 350 series cards?
19:22<interbird>lsmod|grep -i ATI ? (or just lsmod|less to browse loaded kernel modules and scan with your eyes... )
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19:23<interbird>lsmod | grep -i flgrx
19:23<interbird>lsmod | grep -i radeon
19:23<jhutchins_lt>Hey, you don't suppose X logs anything do you?
19:24<interbird>the x-log might be the best source :-)
19:25<gloopy>thanks for your help, I've found the answer - I wanted to know if I was using fglrx or the open source version
19:26<interbird>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:26<interbird>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|less
19:27<interbird>and which one is it ?
19:27<interbird>(just curious... :-)
19:27<gloopy>the open source driver
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19:29<gloopy>I very recently installed debian 5 for the first time and earlier I was playing Nexuiz, I was curious what driver was being used
19:31<interbird>Like jhutchins_lt proposed: X logs are in: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, incuding the driver used
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19:31<gloopy>the nexuiz performance was similar to kubuntu 8.04 and fglrx
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19:32<interbird>on your system you mean ?
19:32<interbird>or absolute truth ? :-)
19:32<gloopy>yes on the same machine
19:32<ml|>by default debian will use dfsg/ free stuff
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19:35<interbird>and the "free stuff" is catching up...; one day the choise will be easy for everybody; in fact, free stuff might be the only choise left... :-)
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19:54<doobiean>hey, i installed lenny, and compiz, i have an old ati 9000 card - but no window boarder after starting - and where the hell is emerald?
19:54<cryingthug>doobiean: apt-get install emerald
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19:56<wrealcon>my wifi works :D
19:57<doobiean>cryingthug, no such luck
19:58<ml|>!congratulate wrealcon
19:58<dpkg>Woohoo wrealcon, you did it!
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20:02<interbird>emerald --replace from a terminal ?
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20:05<interbird>or apt-get install fusion-icon and use that to manipulate compiz and emerald...
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20:09<cryingthug>doobiean: if apt-get did not work change your repository list. Try another country.
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20:11<themill>more likely that there's no such package
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20:12<doobiean>no emerald=no borders
20:13<interbird>does dpkg --list|grep -i emerald show a line ?
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20:14<doobiean>anybody got compiz running with gnome with borders-metacity decoration?
20:15<interbird>does apt-cache search emerald show a line ?
20:16<themill>(no such package...)
20:16<interbird>yes, but then gwd is being used instead of emerald; (gnome-window-decorator) (uses metacity themes)
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20:18<interbird>apt-get install fusion-icon -- handy for this stuff; resides in menu->System->Preferences once installed if i'm not mistaken...
20:18<interbird>what are you on? sarge, lenny, squeeze, mix ?
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20:19<interbird>(etch) hihi
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20:22<interbird>(fusion-icon could also be in the Applications->System menu (once installed))
20:23<doobiean>interbird, fusion-icon does not show a select for gnome-window-decoration ?!?
20:23<interbird>right-button on icon in bar, then select window-manager and decorator
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20:25<doobiean>all it shows is gtk window decorator - and that isn't working
20:25<interbird>but you have to have stuff like metacity and compiz and gwd installed, of course...
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20:26<interbird>try to gui-logout and in again; it isn't that stable; otherwise: terminal as user: compiz --replace
20:27<interbird>but no window-borders implies no decorator; so either gwd or emerald is not working...
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20:31<doobiean>what is gwd? gnome-compiz? i already have everything with compiz installed with the exception of dev
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20:32<interbird>gwd is gnome-window-decorator -- someting like emerald; and emerald was not running on your system afaik.
20:33<interbird>did you manage to install the fusion-icon ?
20:33<interbird>yes you did
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20:34<interbird>if you switch between metacity and compiz some times ? does that create a border? (thus activate a decorator...)
20:37<interbird>if nothing about this stuff works, sorry to advice, but try to relogin (gui) or reboot. sometimes this stuff works then. no borders means no decorator (gwd or emerald with compiz is active)
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20:38<interbird>does metacity --replace give you borders? (from a terminal? [metacity is both in one; a window managers and a decorator])
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20:43<zezu>I'm trying to install google chrome (current/amd64) on lenny amd64 and there is a missing dependancy i've never seen before ( libxssl ) , and aptitude knows nothing about it, anyone know what provides it ?
20:44<doobiean>it just replaces compiz with metacity when i try that :P
20:47<doobiean>i dont know - that is a weird problem i've got. compiz works pretty well when i use e17 though (economorph)
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20:48<doobiean>zezu, do you have the google-chrome repository in your sources.list?
20:49<zezu>no last time it added itself
20:49<doobiean>it should add itself, your right.
20:49<zezu>and it didn't put itself in sources.list
20:50<zezu>i'm guessing it put itself in apt.conf or some other spot
20:50<zezu>b/c i had edited it a few times afterwards and had no real luck ..
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20:50<interbird>doobiean: sometimes, after messing with this stuff (compiz,emerald,etc) it's a good idea to restart X OR relogin OR reboot. Just to start a (gui) fresh...
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20:53<doobiean>ok, i will try to add compiz to my session sometime and reboot - i used to have it working in gnome before i installed lenny
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20:53<interbird>you could also disable gui login and test from the prompt with xinit, if you know how...
20:54<interbird>(faster test-cycle)
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20:55<doobiean>i wish they still did emerald - emerald was cool before they combined fusion.
20:55<Guest42>some one spanish?
20:56<bremner>!tell Guest42 -about es
20:57<interbird>arguable -- beryl had lot's of options but not nicely categorized; the facto that it does not work for you now is not to blame on the fusing...
20:58<interbird>btw. emerald is still a choise afaik... (?) (i don'tuse it)
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21:25<cesurasean1>For some odd reason firmware is not being loaded for network card. -
21:26<cesurasean1>I believe i have to add the nonfree repo, and install something with apt, but im not sure what i need to install. ?
21:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cesurasean1 -about e100
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21:29<cesurasean1>gsimmons, thx.
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21:38<interbird>look at /lib/firmware there are subdirs for kernel-versions there; look at your pastebin and see if the kernel you are running (uname -a) has access to the needed firmware.
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21:56<xwd>How can I determine whether I have ALSA or OSS running as my sound?
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22:00<xwd>Nevermind, I only have ALSA packages installed.
22:03<sney>OSS is deprecated, the only way it would be OSS is if you did so manually
22:04<peterS>I'd argue that xwd is deprecated too, yet he uses it for a nick
22:05<peterS>xwud you too
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22:08<cesurasean1>vi /etc/default/syslogd does not seem to exist. what is the new file on squeeze?
22:09<peterS>the default syslog on squeeze is rsyslog, I believe
22:09<peterS>I mean if it's a fresh install so you didn't already have some other syslog daemon
22:09<cesurasean1>well, on lenny i can run "vi /etc/default/syslogd". this does not seem to be the case on squeeze.
22:09<godo>oi, have some serious problem, anybody willing to help?
22:10<peterS>cesurasean1: yeah that indicates that you probably don't have the sysklogd package installed. figure out what syslog package, if any, you do have installed, and configure that one
22:12<cesurasean1>peterS, thx
22:12<cesurasean1>im shocked syslogd does not come packaged with base install of squeeze. that saddens me.
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22:12<peterS>cesurasean1: does rsyslog come in the base install?
22:13<cesurasean1>neither rsyslod, or syslogd exist.
22:14<peterS>well, rsyslog is Priority: important, so I would have thought it would be installed by default
22:14<cesurasean1>cryingthug, testies.
22:14<cesurasean1>peterS, it might be, but no file was in /etc/default/rsyslod
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22:15<peterS>cesurasean1: use 'dpkg -l rsyslog' to see if it is installed. and stop spelling it syslod.
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22:19<cesurasean1>peterS, sorry, I have stitches in my thumb, and it's sorta hard to type.
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22:19<xwd>Is there a way to keep the audio from my microphone from being echoed out through the speakers?
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22:20<cesurasean1>rsyslogd is in fact installed. should i remove it if i am using syslogd?
22:20<icebrain>!tell godo about ask
22:21<godo>now i found that i dont have anything in /lib accept init/ so is there solution?
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22:21<peterS>cesurasean1: the system will prevent you from having multiple packages installed that provide the 'system-log-daemon' facility. so if you install sysklogd it will force you to remove rsyslog at the same time
22:22<adb>xwd, use headphone
22:22<peterS>well, dpkg will prevent this, assuming you install sysklogd via debian packages. if you install by building from source or unpacking a tarball, then of course you are on your own
22:22<peterS>adb: or just mute the output while you're recording
22:23<xwd>I have headphones. The mic's input is going to it, that's what I meant.
22:23<cesurasean1>peterS, it never asked me to remove rsyslogd.
22:24<cesurasean1>it's not installed.
22:25<peterS>cesurasean1: if you install sysklogd with 'aptitude install sysklogd', it will want to remove rsyslog.
22:25<peterS>of course you should only bother if you know rsyslog is not the system log daemon you want
22:26<peterS>note, btw, rsyslog provides both the system log daemon and the kernel log daemon. if you want to replace it with sysklogd you probably also want to install klogd.
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22:28<icebrain>godo: my guess is that you have deleted files in / while trying to delete stuff from your pen drive:| I think the best would be to backup everything and reinstall the OS and reinstall debian.
22:28<icebrain>godo: (a simple rm -rf with an extra space is mistake very easy to make)
22:29<godo>i'm not and that's frightening me.
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22:29<godo>did you see pic?
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22:29<icebrain>godo: yes
22:29<godo>how is it possible'
22:30<icebrain>pen drive's filesystem is corrupt
22:30<icebrain>I don't see how that could destroy your /lib
22:30<godo>is it possible some half installation? :-)
22:31<icebrain>godo: why can't you simply copy what's remaining and reinstall?
22:32<icebrain>I don't know if you can "half install", nor if that would be stable
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22:33<godo>ok i will try that. thanks. one more question is it possible somehow to export app list from broken system?
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22:37<icebrain>godo: probably, but I'm not sure how to do it
22:38<adb> /msg dpkg apt-zip
22:38<godo>ok tnx!
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22:41<ml|>dpkg: aptitude clone
22:41<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone>
22:42<adb> /msg dpkg installed
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22:51<godo>thanks to all
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23:49<plubecker>Hello! :) Can anyone tell me where in /proc i can find the number of users currently on the system?
23:53<plubecker>no, wrong answer
23:53<adb>w x 2
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