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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-03-06

---Logopened Sat Mar 06 00:00:45 2010
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00:01<steven_>hello all i got a ?
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00:03<steven_>hey Unmenschlich con you help me out
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00:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:05<steven_>i ranning 9.10 and i cant download a game d&d online
00:05<adb>9.10 is ubuntu ?
00:06<adb>!tell steven about ubuntu
00:07<steven_>is this the worg x chat room
00:07<steven_>you all dont run ubuntu
00:07<clocker>try - join #ubuntu
00:07<steven_>ok thank
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00:08<clocker>this is #debian
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01:10<ml|>astomith: how?
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01:11<astomith>i was trying to make a debootstrap install from a system that had encrypted lvm
01:12<astomith>bind mounting dev made something broke. tooke me 2 weeks to figure out...
01:14<ml|>well better late than never :)
01:14<astomith>so, to get arround that, i just make a normal debootstrap and then install a 2nd time on the encrypted lvm
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01:16<ml|>did you figure out what broke?
01:18<astomith>was something like: dd squeeze install image to usb > install squeeze from that usb > debootstrap sid onto usb with encrypted lvm > delete squeeze and debootstrap sid onto hdd with encrypted lvm
01:19<ml|>quite a process
01:19<astomith>i guess update-initramfs doesn't like it. lol
01:20<ml|>!congratulate astomith
01:20<dpkg>Woohoo astomith, you did it!
01:20*astomith takes a bow
01:21<astomith>now i'll do only: dd squeeze install image to usb > install squeeze from that usb > debootstrap sid onto usb > delete squeeze and debootstrap sid onto hdd with encrypted lvm
01:22<astomith>the time consuming thing is dd from urandom to the 250GB hdd... just few minutes over 24hours
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01:23<ml|>not bad, try something like shred ;)
01:23<astomith>speaking of that, any idea how come dd from urandom is so slow?
01:23<astomith>on openbsd on the same hdd took only 10hours
01:24<ml|>I have no idea
01:24<astomith>i hope slower is better... lol
01:25<ml|>you know what they about the turtle and the hare ;)
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01:26<astomith>ya, mom reminds me often about that
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01:30<astomith>splashy or usplash?
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01:32<ml|>no recommendation from I me, don't use either; text for me
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01:33<astomith>no GUI either?
01:34<ml|>I do use X but not a de, xmonad a tiling wm :)
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01:38<astomith>most of the time i used cwm on openbsd. quite nice, but i got tired of only text...
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01:39<ml|>yeah, text only on very old machines
01:40<astomith>i wonder how old is your's
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01:41<ml|>heh, thinkpad is ~10 years, desktop ~5 years so that bad, gets the job done for now ;)
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01:45<ml|>s/so that/so not that/
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02:15<bmwmunda>hi all
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02:15<bmwmunda>need help
02:15<bmwmunda>i installed debian lenny server headless
02:16<bmwmunda>im trying to send a file to the server from my ohter pc with WinScp i get error permission denied to copy file
02:16<bmwmunda>how can i fix this please help
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02:20<bmwmunda>sorry got cut off
02:24<bmwmunda>im having problems with WinScp
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02:30<bmwmunda>anyone out thier i need help with transferring file to my linux server
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02:35<bmwmunda>can someone help out
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02:46<yang>bmwmunda: transfering from where ?
02:47<yang>bmwmunda: you can use ftp or scp
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02:48<yang>bwok, I looked up, you want to transfer a file from windows to debian
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02:48<yang>sorry bmwmunda
02:49<yang>bmwmunda: have you tried logging into debian server under root user ?
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02:51<bmwmunda>sorry for the delay
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02:52<bmwmunda>i can drag and drop a file with WinScp to home folder but not to my local folder
02:53<bmwmunda>also anyone ever try to compile drivers for a moschip 9865 serial board
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03:00<gsimmons>bmwmunda: (re mcs9865/priya) You are still trying to do that?
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03:02<bmwmunda>oh yeah
03:03<bmwmunda>i have compiled it but i belive its not working or installed right
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03:05<bmwmunda>here is what show after make install
03:06<gsimmons>bmwmunda: Whatever you do, don't paste in here ; /msg dpkg paste
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03:07<bmwmunda>but i belive its not right how can i tell if its working and compiled right
03:08<bmwmunda>is thier a command i can use to see if drivers are installed right in linuc
03:09<gsimmons>bmwmunda: Probably "lsmod | grep mcs9865", examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) and check for character device existence (ls /dev/ttyD*).
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03:13<bmwmunda>ok what shoould i check for
03:14<bmwmunda>mcs9865_isa 2500 0 this is what i get when i used the top commnad
03:14<aless>i dont no
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03:14<aless>im alessandra
03:14<aless>and you
03:15<bmwmunda>and also this mcs9865 16768 0
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03:15<bmwmunda>what does that mean
03:16<bmwmunda>with this command i got (ls /dev/ttyD*) /dev/ttyD0 /dev/ttyD1 in yellow color
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03:18<Keefe>i need help troubleshooting make
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03:19<Keefe>trying to compile Mono.Fuse
03:19<Keefe>getting an odd error...
03:19<Keefe>d:HAVE_MONO_UNIX_NATIVE_COPY_FUNCS -d:TRACE -debug+ -out:../../lib/mono-fuse/Mono.Fuse.dll -target:library -r:Mono.Posix.dll ./MapAttribute.cs ./Mono.Fuse/FileSystem.cs ./Mono.Fuse/FileNameMarshaler.cs
03:19<Keefe>make[3]: d:HAVE_MONO_UNIX_NATIVE_COPY_FUNCS: Command not found
03:19<Keefe>it's as if it's trying to run a line of script that's missing the first part
03:20<Keefe>such as the name of a compiler maybe?
03:20<Keefe>how do i find out exactly what it's trying to do?
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03:23<Keefe>prepending 'gmcs -' to that line seems to work: gmcs -d:HAVE_MONO_UNIX_NATIVE_COPY_FUNCS -d:TRACE -debug+ -out:../../lib/mono-fuse/Mono.Fuse.dll -target:library -r:Mono.Posix.dll ./MapAttribute.cs ./Mono.Fuse/FileSystem.cs ./Mono.Fuse/FileNameMarshaler.cs
03:24<Keefe>but i don't know how to make 'make' do what i just did
03:24<mariiah>quien ai?
03:24<Keefe>no way i can do manually what make's supposed to do
03:24<mariiah>habla en español=espanish
03:25<mariiah>hablas español?
03:25<Keefe>english only, i think
03:25<meglaw>!tell mariiah es
03:25<mariiah>abla español
03:26<Keefe>anyone know how i can troubleshoot and fix the 'make' problem above?
03:27<Keefe>!tell Keefe es
03:27<mariiah>I'm from Spain, please speak to me Spanish.
03:27<Keefe>mariiah: nobody is talking to you yet
03:28<gsimmons>bmwmunda: So it's working, enjoy. The first two serial ports of your device are accessible via /dev/ttyD0 and /dev/ttyD1.
03:29<Keefe>i'm thinking maybe configure failed to create a needed variable, but how do i determine that for sure?
03:30<mariiah>que estas ablando?
03:31<Keefe>mariiah: i cannot read spanish
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03:32<Keefe>hi auso
03:33<mariiah>I either English,keefe
03:33<auso>I'm from italy and I'd like to know if there is an italian channell for debian. Anybody knows?
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03:34<mariiah>i'm espanish
03:34<Keefe>i'm new to this chan, so i don't know if there are other channels for other languages
03:35<Keefe>my guess is no
03:35<chl>seems that #debian-es is for espanish
03:36<chl>I read the following article - Does anyone know which laptop have better support for debian, notably for graphic card?
03:36<mariiah>guess that means no
03:37<meglaw>chl: google components seperatyly
03:37<mariiah>that means?
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03:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:37<meglaw>mariiah: type /join #debian-es
03:38<chl>meglaw: I search using google, but I can not find information for e.g card nivdia nv300 linux driver (either on the internet or nivdia website.)
03:38<chl>do you know what's the driver name for that card?
03:38<mariiah>Excuse me can you say in Spanish?
03:39<bmwmunda>ok gave up on moschip board just bought a startech board it supported for linux much better i have spent too much time on this
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03:39<Keefe><dpkg> Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
03:39<meglaw>mariiah: type ' /join #debian-es ' and press enter
03:39<bmwmunda>good nite all
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03:40<mariiah>lol like that ?
03:40<meglaw>yes like that
03:41<mariiah>keefe before me to that lol
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03:42<mariiah>hola overmind
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03:43<mariiah>I speak Spanish
03:43<mariiah>hola picca
03:44<mariiah>no se inglish
03:44<picca>french ;)
03:45<overmind>picca: Then try joining in #debian-es / Entonces entra en #debian-es
03:45<overmind>ops, mariiah*
03:45<mariiah>C'est mieux si
03:46<picca>oui c'est mieux pour un espagnole :)
03:47<mariiah>i l parle est l'espagnol
03:49<picca>no I do not speak spanish
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03:50<mariiah>eh bien je dois y aller,Conectare moi plus tard
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04:30<sidk>i need help
04:30<sidk>with ubuntu
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04:30<sidk>is anyone here able to help me with ubuntu dual boot problem?
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04:31<Jolia>Tell us
04:32<sidk>i installed ubuntu 9.10 dual booted with linux mint 8 to try them both out. i am new at all this but somehow following the installation was easy. however i now want to remove linux mint 8 and reclaim the space into ubuntu but have no idea how to go about doing this. i have googled but couldn't find the answer anywhere
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04:34<Shadow193>Hi guys
04:34<Jolia>Hi Shadow193
04:34<cahoot>sidk: this channel is for debian
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04:34<Shadow193>have a little problem
04:34<Jolia>Np sidk
04:34<Jolia>Stay here :p
04:34<cahoot>sidk: try #ubuntu (freenode) or ##linux
04:35<Jolia>sidk, you need to format the mint partition and add it to your ubuntu partition, yuoi can do this thanks to gparted
04:35<and1bm>sidk: start the live CD, remove the mint partition, increase the ubuntu partition to fill the new space
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04:35<Shadow193>a used to using console but I wanted to try a graphical environment, and I installed LXDE and problem is : How can I boot again from debian console and only manual launch xserver ??
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04:36<sidk>is it possible if i could get step by step i am sorry for this but a little confused on how to go about doing this
04:36<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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04:36<cahoot>Shadow193: ^^
04:37<Shadow193>thx guys
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04:37<Shadow193>and one more problem
04:37<Shadow193>or question this time
04:37<Shadow193>is there any OperaUSB for linux?
04:38<Shadow193>i found one on softpedia
04:38<Shadow193>as runz
04:38<Shadow193>but runz framework couldnt open
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04:41<sidk>jolia: i have downloaded gparted but can't see how to format the linux mint partition. sorry
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04:43<Jolia>Do what and1bm said
04:43<Jolia>Use your livecd, then run gparted
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04:45<and1bm>sidk: to delete or increase a partition, it must not be mounted => live CD
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06:05<papul>hi guys :D
06:06<papul>anyone active here?
06:06<overmind>papul: Yes, hi
06:07<papul>atleast got a reply :P
06:07<papul>can u guys tell me something
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06:08<papul>why are debian packages no so latest?
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06:08<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
06:08<papul>locklace: ok
06:09<papul>can you guys tell me something?
06:09<papul>why are debian packages no so latest?
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06:09<eix_>well, there is stable, testing and unstable
06:09<themill>papul: newer doesn't mean better.
06:09<papul>so debian is rolling release?
06:09<papul>themill: i know that
06:09<papul>heard the line many times
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06:09<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
06:10<papul>but i want to use latest packges
06:10<eix_>a mainterner must know about a newer version, they just human
06:10<themill>papul: stuff on helps with some of that. There's usually no compelling reason to go through the pain of dealing with the new bugs that newer packages bring in
06:10<eix_>then, when he made the newer pkg, it goes to the new queue
06:10<papul>so debian is rolling release?
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06:11<papul>i mean will it always stay as lenny?
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06:11<eix_>there are done formal tests, if it passes, it goes to unstable
06:12<papul>i mean will it always stay as lenny?
06:12<themill>papul: no, lenny is stable and unchanging. /msg dpkg stable
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06:12<papul>like ubuntu changes name every 6 months but debian is always lenny
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06:12<eix_>if no bugs are detected for some days, it will go to testing (that is, if not in freeze)
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06:12<papul>and when will i get 6? lenny is 5 right?
06:13<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
06:13<eix_>when testing is ready for release (crtly squeeze), it will become stable
06:14<eix_>then lenny will be oldstable
06:14<papul>so will i run into problems if i use testing?
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06:15<eix_>testing can go broken, testing doesn't receive that much security attention, not for common user
06:16<eix_>but you can have a look at, ppgk from squeeze rebuild for lenny
06:16<themill>papul: just install lenny. Use if you really need something newer (you probably don't)
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06:18<papul>i currently use archlinux and ubuntu
06:18<papul>arch provides the latest pkgs
06:18<papul>ok bye guys
06:18<papul>thanks for helpming me
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06:18<eix_>me for example always needs the latest vim, so i build it myself, w/o debian magic, but i'm on my own ...
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06:20<eix_>i'm quite happy with lenny, backports, and some hand roled stuff
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06:26<lancome>HOLA NO TE ENCUENTRO
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06:26<lancome>no te encuentro
06:26<kerorin>estoy el la k
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06:27<kerorin>debajo de la j
06:27<lancome>a vale
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06:28<kerorin>me has encontrado
06:28<themill>!ubuntu-es kerorin
06:28<dpkg>kerorin: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
06:28<locklace>ok, it's time to go to war with spain and brazil
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06:39<kham>hi, i wanted to play with xen so i debootstraped lenny to a lvm partition and installed xen hypervisor, kernel and tools (bridge-utils, xen-utils, lvm2, mdadm...). But when i try to boot on it, it hangs for a while with "waiting for root file system" before entering initramfs shell. I then installed a classic kernel image on this logical volume which boot just fine. I also tried to put the root partition outside of lvm but it doesn't help... Any ideas ?
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07:21<cicciopasticcio>! list
07:21<dpkg>cicciopasticcio: VATTENE VIA
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07:27<allu2>anyone know good tool to find and remove unnecessary files?
07:27<allu2>weasel: and how i find files with it ;)
07:28<allu2>Meths: and how i find all the files i haven't used forexample 2weeks and they are over 50mb big?
07:28<Meths>man find
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07:28<allu2>huoh :p guess i'll have to
07:28<weasel>allu2: find can do that. now sure you /want/ to, but ..
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07:29<Meths>allu2: Be sure to not include vital system libraries which may or may not be that big
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07:55<MrShad0wX>Hi all
07:56<MrShad0wX>I have a little problem with Opera
07:56<MrShad0wX>flash player doesnt work
07:56<MrShad0wX>but its installed
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07:56<MrShad0wX>can anyone help?
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07:58<azeem>MrShad0wX: both aren't really in Debian, I guess you get better support from the vendors
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08:01<user52562>MrShad0wX: check Plugin Path in about:config
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08:16<MrShad0wX>it didnt helped
08:16<MrShad0wX>opera cant find plugin
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08:24<MrShad0wX>please speak english next time :p
08:24<schnuppi>schade :-)
08:24<schnuppi>kannst du trotzdem deutsch schreiben!?
08:25<MrShad0wX>ich verstehe deutsch aber nicht gut
08:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
08:25<MrShad0wX>Ich bin Polen
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08:32<MrShad0wX>dpkg: is there any official channel for Poland?
08:32<dpkg>wish i knew, MrShad0wX
08:32<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
08:33<user52562>MrShad0wX: just add /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ to your Plugin Path
08:33<user52562>I had the same problem with Opera
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08:44<MrShad0wX>didnt helped
08:44<user52562>ls /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
08:45<MrShad0wX>no catalog
08:45<MrShad0wX>i have a file
08:45<MrShad0wX>what must do I with it?
08:47<user52562>move it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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08:48<user52562>why don't you install flashplugin-nonfree from backports repo?
08:48<MrShad0wX>in progress...
08:50<user52562>also, you don't need to restart Xorg :) if that is the reason you exit every time you try
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08:52<MrShad0wX>i restart operaa - that is reason ;]
08:52<MrShad0wX>opera has an irc client
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08:52<user52562>that explains it :)
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08:53<MrShad0wX>ok installed it
08:53<MrShad0wX>but that only wrote package
08:53<MrShad0wX>i will install it
08:54<user52562>flashplugin-nonfree will copy and install the latest plugin in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
08:54<user52562>then add it to opera's plugin path
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08:54<chl>I read the news at In the furthermore section, it shows 2D and 3D support available and which includes X2300 denotes a RV550 based card. Does this mean x2300 is now supported with 3D acceleration?
08:55<MrShad0wX>do you know where apt-get command wrote this package?
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08:56<user52562>the package only contains a script that downloads the plugin
08:56<chl>MrShad0wX: maybe you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list first.
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08:59<MrShad0wX>i have packports in my sources
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09:01<user52562>read the article to see if you skipped something
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09:01<MrShad0wX>backports solved problem
09:02<MrShad0wX>thank very much all
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09:07<user52562>I have a question of my own... how do I list the installed packages and the repository from which each package was installed?
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09:11<chl>maybe you can try dpkg -l
09:11<abrotman>!tell user52562 about which repo
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09:41<mrcoolhe1d> michael: hi
09:41<flo`>how can i create a new .desktop-file with xfce?
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09:42<flo`>my archlinux-xfce has a menu entry for this. debian hasn't
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09:43<mrcoolhead>flo: I am not familiar with that...
09:44<Torsten_W>flo`, a .desktop file is only a textfile
09:44<Torsten_W>so you can create it with an editor of your choice
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09:46<flo`>Torsten_W, hmm. syntax..?
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09:46<Torsten_W>flo`, look at a similar file on your harddisc
09:46<Torsten_W>there are many of them
09:49<flo`>ok, thx =)
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09:50<opticon>is their something in debian that will show motherboard information such as model number
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09:52<avu>opticon, dmidecode might tell you what you want. sometimes though, the easiest way is to just have a look at the board :)
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09:54<flo`>how can i make debian's xfce give me the "new folder" or "new file" command in the desktop-rightclick-menu?
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10:02<flo`>or how can i change the runlevels?
10:03<user52562>init #
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10:07<flo`>do i need the exim4 daemon?
10:07<flo`>i'm running a normal desktop system
10:09<abrotman>it's okay to have .. it won't accept mail
10:10<flo`>abrotman, well, when i switch it off, does my system still work then?
10:10<abrotman>!why an mta
10:10<dpkg>An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>.
10:11<chl>I think it will. As I understand that exim is only used for lcoal mail transfer as notification system.
10:11<flo`>ok, thanks
10:12<chl>is dpkg a bot?
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10:12<chl>no wonder his answer is quite accurate: p
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10:13<flo`>when i want to use a windows-file-share, do i need the nfs-common then?
10:14<flo`>or only smbclient
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10:15<chl>smbclient would work fine. or you can use ftp.
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10:23<chl>how can I turn on x2300's 3d support using freedesktop's dirver?
10:23<chl>I read it seems that freedesktop now support 3d for r600
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10:32<sney>chl: you probably need a newer version of X than you're currently running ... wonderful that that freedesktop page doesn't say which X server version introduced those features, so you'll have to figure that out yourself. I think bpo has some newer X releases, though.
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10:37<chl>I see. thanks.
10:38<sid>i am having issue with copying and mounting my dvdrw connected through usb. output of lsusb : can somebody please look into it and let me know any solution
10:38<michael_>i need your help :/
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10:38<michael_>i'm trying to connect to a windows-shared-folder
10:38<michael_>it simply does not work -_-
10:39<michael_>i tried smbtree, failed
10:39<locklace>!doesn't work
10:39<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
10:39<michael_>i tried smbclient //server, it complained about too less slashes
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10:39<michael_>i tried smbclient //server/, it simply exited
10:40<michael_>smbtree asked me for a password (which password, wtf?)
10:40<michael_>and then exited
10:40<michael_>why does it fail?
10:41<abrotman>michael_: smbclient \\\\server\ ?
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10:41<abrotman>michael_: smbclient -L is a useful thing
10:41<michael_>michael@laptop:~$ smbclient ////
10:41<michael_>Connection to failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)
10:42<michael_>Enter michael's password:
10:42<michael_>Domain=[WORKGROUP] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.24]
10:42<michael_>Server requested LANMAN password (share-level security) but 'client lanman auth' is disabled
10:42<michael_>tree tree connect failed: SUCCESS - 0
10:42<michael_>(wtf? failed -- SUCCESS ?)
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10:42<chl>I think you may need to use smblient \\ip\\folder ?
10:42<michael_>chl, i don't knwo the folder name
10:42<michael_>i have to search it first
10:43<chl>so how about smbclient \\ for instance.
10:43<chl>if is the server you are looking for
10:43<themill>smbclient wants //server/sharename (note the number and direction of the slashes). Use "smbclient -L //server" to list
10:43<chl>ah yea. just ignore my message.
10:44<michael_>\\ Not enough '\' characters in service
10:44<michael_>( @ chl)
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10:45<michael_>password has to be "" ._.
10:46<ikarus>michael_: invert the direction of slashes
10:46<ikarus>als you NEED to access a share
10:46<michael_>it works now =)
10:46<ikarus>if you need a list of shares use -L
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10:47<michael_>-L with empty password works
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10:49<sid>my lsmod output :
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10:53<locklace>sid: word on the street is you're unstable
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11:11*MeCooL :)
11:11<bja>ip mask would be /16 ?
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11:12<locklace>that's a joke right
11:12<bja>no, i'm sleep deprived
11:12<bja>!pie locklace
11:12*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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11:12<bja>!es-social usuario
11:12<dpkg>usuario: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:14<abrotman>he didn't even say anything ...
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11:15<rpetre>he said "ola", this is frowned upon :P
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11:16<bja>rpetre: no,
11:16<flo`>i still have some problems with XFCE under debian:
11:16<overmind>abrotman: ola is Hola in sms language, and he/she has IP from spain
11:16<flo`>i'm missing the "new" menu on the desktop. where is it?
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11:16<abrotman>overmind: i know what it is .. he still didn't say anything
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11:16<flo`>also, the desktop doesn't update automatically if i move files... how can i make that work?
11:16<rpetre>"hi" -> kickban
11:17<bja>rpetre: no
11:17<Torsten_W>flo`, install fam
11:17<rpetre>bja: i'm joking, relax
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11:17<bja>rpetre: Sorry too little caffeine today
11:17<flo`>Torsten_W, thanks, i'll try that
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11:18<rpetre>bja: i saw, get some sleep :)
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11:19<flo`>Torsten_W, works, thanks =)
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11:19<flo`>and where's the "new" menu in the desktop?
11:20<Torsten_W>there is no
11:20<flo`>in archlinux, there is
11:21<flo`>so why isn't it there in debian :(?
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11:21<flo`>such a menu would be quite useful...
11:21<Torsten_W>because if you rightclick on the desktop it comes the xfce-menu?
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11:22<flo`>well, right... in archlinux, another menu comes...
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11:22<flo`>is there a way to let a rightclick cause that menu instead of the xfce menu?
11:22<Torsten_W>then deactivate this function
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11:26<flo`>Torsten_W, i deactivated it, but no other menu pops up then
11:26<flo`>there's no menu at all then
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11:28<Torsten_W>flo`, here there is
11:29<flo`>Torsten_W, xfce version?
11:29<flo`>i have 4.4.2
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11:30<Torsten_W>flo`, you must choose file / launcher icons in desktop ==> icons ==> under icon type
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11:31<flo`>that's selected
11:32<flo`>i even restarted xfdesktop. no effect :(
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11:33<Torsten_W>i have installed 4.6.1
11:33<Torsten_W>i think, this function is not aviable in your version
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11:34<Torsten_W>afik, you can rightclick a icon on desktop, then there is a menuentry new
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11:36<flo`>Torsten_W, how did you install it?
11:36<flo`>which debian version do you use?
11:36<flo`>stable? or testing?
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11:36<Torsten_W>i'm useing sid since ages
11:37<flo`>ah, ok, then :D
11:37<flo`>is there a clean way to upgrade to xfce 4.6.1?
11:38<flo`>i'm happy with it on my archlinux machine, it never crashed, so i assume it's stable
11:38<Torsten_W>maybe there is a backport, i don't know
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11:39<locklace>,versions xfce4
11:39<judd>xfce4 -- etch:; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny:; lenny-backports:; sid:; squeeze:
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12:19<kwpolska>Can someone list me all the gnome packages and say me where can I find polish kde in lenny? (ya know, 3.5, nostalgia...)
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12:20<abrotman>Kwpolska: there are hundreds of gnome/gtk packages .. what exactly are you looking for ?
12:20<Kwpolska>how to remove the gnome
12:20<abrotman>!remove gnome
12:20<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
12:20<Kwpolska>I'd mistakenly downloaded the gnome system
12:20<abrotman>!install kde
12:20<dpkg>For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see See also <kde version> <install kde4>
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12:24<Flakk>Hello people. I am trying to ask my debian lenny machine to boot only from the partition on the hard drive where the / is situated. it does it OK usually, but when there is a flash drive inserted before the boot, it tries apparently to boot from the flash and it does not work. what should I do? maybe this is about "flags" or "labels"?
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12:26<OdyX>Flakk: look for UUIDs
12:26<noflash>user__, if you have a debian related question ask it
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12:28<Flakk>OdyX: goog says: DEFINITION - A UUID (Universal Unique Identifier) is a 128-bit number used to uniquely identify some object or entity on the Internet. hmmm... nice to know but does not help me
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12:29<Kwpolska>where can I find polish kde in lenny? (ya know, 3.5, nostalgia...)
12:29<abrotman>so you said ...
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12:29<Kwpolska>aptitude says there isn't any kde-i10n-pl or kde-l18n-pl
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12:30<abrotman>Kwpolska: perhaps ask #debian-kde .. i don't use it myself
12:31*bja thinks languages are set with dpkg-reconfigure locales
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12:42<Flakk>Hello people. I am trying to ask my debian lenny machine to boot only from the partition on the hard drive where the / is situated. it does it OK usually, but when there is a flash drive inserted before the boot, it tries apparently to boot from the flash and it does not work. what should I do? maybe this is about "flags" or "labels"?
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12:43<locklace>!tell Flakk about uuid
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12:47<Araneidae>Hi: I've just installed Debian Desktop on a dual head system with an ATI card, and I haven't got the graphical settings at all right yet
12:47<Araneidae>How do I figure out what driver is in use, first of all?
12:47<Araneidae>Secondly, I guess I need a sensible xorg.conf file...
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12:53<locklace>Araneidae: grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log. here's a random dual-head xorg.conf example to start you off:
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12:54<locklace>Araneidae: alternatively,
12:55<Araneidae>Thanks. I'm definitely not set up right at the moment! Let me dig a bit now..,
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12:55<Araneidae>At the moment xrandr is doing very funny things to me, need to make sure I'm straight first.
12:56<Araneidae>Ok, looks like I'm running RADEONHD driver (looking at Xorg.0.log) which is a good start
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12:59<Flakk>locklace: thanx! I understand something now. So in order to make the machine to boot from the right partition, I should include the name of the partition to fstab and grub/boot/menu.lst (to both of them?) however in fstab I never saw a column "name". I checked the grub menu - there is no clear indication for the "name" option either
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13:01<rpetre>Flakk: it means "instead of /dev/sda1"
13:01<Araneidae>Well, only way to see if it works is to try it :(
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13:01<bja>!es-social anita
13:01<dpkg>anita: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:02<locklace>Flakk: man fstab. for grub "UUID=foo" becomes the argument to the root= kernel parameter
13:03<bja>locklace: When you have usb connected, doesn't the bios be the first one to f.. things up?
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13:05<Araneidae>What's a good pastebin? threw up two popups, so clearly not there!
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13:06<Flakk>locklace: thanx, man fstab says this indeed. Actually it cites alos the option of labelling the volume. It could be simpler, however I guess that to label the volume I must first unmount it, which is not possible since this is the root volume, right?
13:07<Araneidae>Here's my xorg.conf that used to work on Ubuntu on the same hardware:
13:07<Araneidae>Alas now I just get mirrored screens
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13:09<Araneidae>Here's what xrandr has to say:
13:09<Araneidae>Any thoughts on what I'm doing wrong?
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13:10<locklace>using the right resolution for a dual display would help
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13:15<Araneidae>Sorry, I'm floundering here, I have to confess
13:16<Araneidae>Are you saying I should say `xrandr -s 3200x1200` ?
13:16<Araneidae>Size 3200x1200 not found in available modes
13:17<Flakk>locklace, rpetre: thx for the help, I will try
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13:18<Araneidae>I'm looking at and I'm none the wiser, really
13:19<Araneidae>I'm trying all sorts of things. For example: `xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024; xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode 1920x1200` and nothing happens at all
13:19<Araneidae>Is xrandr silently ignoring my errors?
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13:20<locklace>Araneidae: look at II.5
13:21<Araneidae>Well, I've already typed `xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1` and nothing happened
13:21<Araneidae>Trying `xrandr --output DVI-I_1 --right-of DVI-I_2` now...
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13:22<locklace>guessing you ignored that prominent part about adding the Virtual line
13:23<Araneidae>Line 19
13:23<Araneidae>And xrandr reports: "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 3200 x 1200"
13:23<locklace>ok. if that isn't working on your setup, maybe check in with #debian-x
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13:26<ml|>bja: if it's setup that way
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13:32<locklace>Araneidae: btw,
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13:34<Araneidae>Tell me more!
13:34<Araneidae>I take it you're telling me that I need newer ati and radeonhd .debs?
13:35<Araneidae>Afraid I've no idea who bgoglin is or what the significance of his rebuilds is...
13:35<locklace>don't know if it will solve your problem, but i do know those builds are much better than the stock lenny ones
13:35<Araneidae>Cheers, I'll give it a try. Is there any backing web site for that?
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13:35<locklace>try radeon 6.12.2 first, and revert to radeonhd if that doesn't work
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13:36<locklace>not unless you count brice goglin's blog
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13:37<Araneidae>Well, please -- I'm not having much luck finding it!
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13:38<Araneidae>Hmm: I guess.
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13:41<peej>what do you need to make mplayer play flv files? I've got it playing on one lenny machine and not on the other.
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13:41<Neochris>Anyone know how to get sound working on a GigaByte motherboard GA P55M-UD2. I've installed Lenny AMD 64
13:41<peej>definition of play in my case: show the video.
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13:42<locklace>Neochris: paste output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" and "lspci -knn" at
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13:44<niclas>how to connect to german debain irc ?
13:44<locklace>peej: do you have libavformat/ffmpeg installed
13:45<locklace>!tell niclas about de
13:45<niclas>about de
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13:45<schlurchz>Hi. I sent a mail to [number] yesterday, and it doesn't show up on the web page; I suspect it was blocked as spam, because it contained a log of an IMAP session processing spam emails. Is there a way to get that mail into the BTS?
13:45<Neochris>Thanks I will post, but will take some time because I messed up my install try to get it working
13:46<locklace>schlurchz: don't know, but people regularly show up here dying of old age before their mails and bug reports show up there
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13:46<niclas>connect ????
13:46<bja>!beer locklace
13:46*dpkg pulls out an excellent Delirium Tremens for locklace
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13:46<ml|>niclas: /j
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13:47<schlurchz>locklace: hmm I sent quite a lot of emails to the BTS yesterday and only that one doesn't show up. I thought maybe the spam trap is a known problem with known workarounds.
13:47<ml|>niclas: on freenode not here
13:47<ml|>oh, theres one here too
13:47<bja>ml|: There is also a here on oftc
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13:48<peej>locklace, yes, but turns out it needed an upgrade. Hmm. Still no video showing though
13:48<ml|>bja: read up ;)
13:48<bja>Stupid lag
13:49<ml|>schlurchz: maybe wait a day or so and re-send
13:49<peej>locklace, though if I run it (via ssh -X) on another display server (on the machine where mplayer does work) it runs ok
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13:49<peej>locklace, well, with hiccups - slow machine ;-)
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13:50<natep>hey, I'm trying to open a root shell in debian w/ kde 3.5 but it says 'x-terminal-emulator: cannot connect to X server :0.0'
13:50<locklace>peej: x display/accel limitation i guess. mplayer's copious output probably tells you. maybe try converting flv->avi with ffmpeg
13:51<peej>locklace, well, it worked in etch on that slow machine (borderline).
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13:51<schlurchz> looks like I wouldn't be the first bug reporter caught by the spam filter. Well, I'll probably indeed wait some more, and then contact the maintainers directly if it fails again.
13:52<locklace>schlurchz: or just replace the problematic text with a pastebin link
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13:52<natep>nevermind, I guess I was running the wrong program
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13:53<schlurchz>locklace: do pastebins accept 100K text?
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13:54<boolean>i can't find any access points when trying to install from netinst
13:54<peej>locklace, oh. avi doesn't display anything either. Lessee....lots of "no such file or directory" - I'll go paste it...
13:54<boolean>and the dvd iso is not bootable
13:55<ml|>schlurchz: try, should be no problem I would think
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13:55<locklace>boolean: maybe try a backport installer image,
13:55<boolean>didn't work
13:55<boolean>same problem
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13:56<ml|>can't use wired network?
13:56<locklace>now would be a good time to start providing considerably more detail about your system and the installation results then
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13:57<schlurchz>ml|: okay, I guess I will somehow manage to get this done. Perhaps simply compressing the stuff or making a tarball might be enough.
13:57<aguitel>i want to install squeeze ,any one know about this release?
13:57<boolean>network card: D-Link DWA-556 Xtreme N PCIe
13:57<boolean>driver for that is ath9k
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13:58<boolean>the stable edition does not include that driver
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13:58<boolean>so first i tried unstable
13:58<locklace>boolean: did you try hardcoding the ap address with iwconfig
13:58<user01>Hi Im reading a book on linux and it says deb files are different from rpms because Debian source packages aren’t single files; they’re groups of files
13:58<ml|>aguitel: install lenny then move to squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
13:58<user01>but arent rpms groups of files too?
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13:58<boolean>locklace: you see.. iwconfig and ifconfig is not included on the netinstall..
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13:58<aguitel>ml|, i have ubuntu with ext4 and lenny is not god for me
13:59<peej>mplayer not showing avi video:
13:59<user01>screen rtorrent rocks
13:59<aguitel>ml|, i cannot mount ext4 with lenny
13:59<ml|>aguitel: then you can try kmuto installer or testing one
14:00<quaker66>hi guys, i am going to install Debian on one PC but there is no CD drive and i don't want to use netinst - if I use flashdisk, put hd-media thing there and put there standard Debian installation ISO instead of netinst one, will it work?
14:00<aguitel>ml|, is squeeze more "stable" than ubuntu ?
14:00<quaker66>aguitel, it is
14:00<user01>sid is more stable too i bet
14:00<quaker66>aguitel, they will tell you the opposite on ubuntu channel but don't trust them
14:00<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg kmuto ...
14:01<quaker66>user01, it is of course. running sid right now :P
14:02<ml|>aguitel: if you stability use lenny
14:02<quaker66>ml|, imho squeeze is stable enough, even sid is very stable
14:02<user01>ml|, etch is still supported too :)
14:02<boolean>locklace: any solution?
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14:02<ml|>user01: no it's not
14:02<rpetre>not anymore
14:02<ikarus>quaker66: sid can and will blow up in your face
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14:03<ikarus>quaker66: Remember the great PAM disaster of 2001 (or was that 2002)
14:03<ml|>quaker66: well, things change in testing
14:03<quaker66>ikarus, using sid for nearly an year.. installing upgrades etc and never had problem
14:03<quaker66>it is just needed to be aware of these problems
14:03<user01>ml|, oh darn it is past february
14:03<peej>another example of mplayer not showing avi video: (for flv file)
14:03<quaker66>and have ability to repair the OS yourself :P
14:03<ml|>user01: yep ;)
14:03<user01>etch support ran out :(
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14:04<peej>user01, yup, that's why I moved to lenny (and broke stuff ;-) )
14:04<quaker66>peej, i had lenny originally.. it was testing :P now it is sid.. :P
14:04<ml|>quaker66: exactly why not all should use testing or sid
14:04<aguitel>quaker66, ml| i am downloading this image:
14:04<quaker66>did by upgrades through time
14:04<locklace>peej: are you using the mplayer from dmm
14:05<aguitel>quaker66, ml| ,this is ok ?
14:05<quaker66>aguitel, i am downloading the same now but for amd64 for that PC, but i dunno if it will install from flash
14:05<ml|>aguitel: yes or netinstall if there is one
14:05<boolean>why isn't network-tools included on the netinst cd?
14:05<peej>locklace, digital multimeter?
14:05<dpkg>from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
14:05<quaker66>anyway, after installation, it goes sid :P
14:05<aguitel>quaker66, why you do that ?
14:06<locklace>boolean: sometimes if you say gsimmons's name three times, he appears
14:06<quaker66>aguitel, 1. i have a pc here which needs debian; 2. i want to reinstall my pc :)
14:06<user01>i cant believe so many people want me to use facebook and twitter . . . i made a site for my dog but im not going beyond that
14:06<quaker66>my system has too much mess inside :P
14:06<quaker66>user01, i am still refusing facebook
14:06<peej>locklace, yup, deb lenny main
14:06<aguitel>quaker66, but why you not use lenny?
14:06<user01>quaker66, great im not the only one
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14:06<boolean>locklace: great...
14:06<quaker66>aguitel, it has too outdated software :)
14:06<quaker66>sid is stable for me
14:06<aguitel>quaker66, ok
14:06<user01>thought the world turned mad
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14:07<quaker66>user01, i don't care if people tell me i am antisocial :P
14:07<peej>user01, no, you're just old ;-)
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14:07<ml|>aguitel: if you are comfortable use testing, keep in mind things can go wrong
14:07<aguitel>quaker66, what kernel is using squeeze ?
14:07<quaker66>aguitel, 2.6.32
14:07<aguitel>ml|, i know
14:07<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg release
14:07<ml|>ah, ok
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14:08<locklace>peej: are there some other -vo options you can try
14:08<ml|>aguitel: for a full list /msg judd kernels
14:08<quaker66>peej, i am not old and i have no facebook hehe
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14:08<boolean>also.. someone should check out that dvd stable image that is not bootable
14:08<user01>i have a facebook for my dog, not going beyond that . . . even information for my dog that i say not to display has settings that mysteriously reset on it
14:09<aguitel>i am old fart man using ubuntu and want to change to debian
14:09<peej>quaker66, tsk, I think your existence calls for the new phrase: "old at heart"
14:09<quaker66>peej, i am 17 but i refuse to use facebook and other shit just because everyone else uses it
14:09<quaker66>not mentioning it sucks (hard)
14:09<ml|>aguitel: welcome; good luck
14:09<aguitel>quaker66, me too
14:10<aguitel>ml|, thanks
14:10<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg install guide
14:11<ml|>aguitel: if you want to track testing, after install change sources to point to testing instead
14:11<user01>and the stupid thing with all of it is that people that dont know anything about technology think you know nothing about technology because how could you possibly not have one and know anything about it?
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14:12<aguitel>ml|, i read in some page to update squeeze need to change in sources.list squeeze to lenny is this is ok ?
14:12<user01>so with my dog page i can say, well its so stupid my dog uses it
14:12<locklace>dpkg: tell aguitel about lenny->squeeze
14:12<ml|>aguitel: if you use testing installer you won't need to
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14:13<ml|>aguitel: also the testing installer might have bugs; may want to try kmuto first
14:13<user01>anyway i need to figure out what an rpm is all about for this certification
14:14<ml|>!es-social VIEJA
14:14<dpkg>VIEJA: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:14<VIEJA>hay alguien hay?¿
14:14<aguitel>ml|, what is kmuto
14:14<roxy_lapeke>kien eres??
14:14<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg kmuto
14:14<VIEJA>a ke colegiovas?¡
14:14<ml|>!es-social roxy_lapeke
14:14<dpkg>roxy_lapeke: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:14<roxy_lapeke>al del aljarafe
14:14<VIEJA>havbla normal
14:14<VIEJA>ke ?¡
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14:15<VIEJA>al de blas infante
14:15<user01>what middle school do you go to?
14:15<VIEJA>al de la merced
14:15<user01>is what they said
14:15<user01>i think
14:15<VIEJA>oye ke no s ena de ingeles
14:15<ml|>!es-social roxy_lapeke
14:15<dpkg>roxy_lapeke: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:16<peej>locklace, aha, after trying a "for i in xmga mga tdfxfb 3dfx xv x11 xover gl gl2 dga sdl ....caca ....; do mplayer -vo $i blah.flv ; done" I found that x11 works :-)
14:16<rpetre>i know little spanish, but i think "ke" it's sms speak :)
14:16<locklace>!congratulate peej
14:16<dpkg>Yay peej, you did it!
14:16<user01>VIEJA, ahi esta solamente ingles pero puedes ir al #debian-es si deseas hablar en español
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14:16<ml|>all they have to do is read what dpkg said several times now ;P
14:16<user01>i think she understood that
14:17*bremner proposes a ban on *_lapeke (half :) )
14:17<user01>being taken hostage in colombia helped me learn some words
14:18<user01>ke is sms speak for what
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14:18<aguitel>ml|, kmuto is for partition only ?
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14:19<ml|>aguitel: no read what dpkg told you
14:19<user01>wow dpkg is at almost 4 MB
14:20<quaker66>user01, what did you expect? ten lines script in bash? :P
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14:20<user01>quaker66, nope i think it was a real person :(
14:20<quaker66>user01, ah you mean the bot
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14:21<quaker66>user01, no, dpkg is too patient and kind to be real person :P ;)
14:22<user01>quaker66, has dpkgbot always been around? i know it has been around for awhile, but i seem to recall more short-fused reponses from developers when i was a teenager
14:23<quaker66>user01, dunno. i am not for long on #debian.. i think an year or something like that
14:23<ikarus>user01: very few developers here these days
14:23<ikarus>because of retarded people asking Knoppix/Ubuntu questions
14:23<quaker66>ikarus, knoppix?? it still lives??
14:23<ikarus>quaker66: recently a new release even
14:24<quaker66>ikarus, i remember when i tried that in 2004 :)
14:24<quaker66>it was actually quite good and user-friendly...
14:24<quaker66>but didnt try since
14:24<user01>quaker66, my problem was that i didnt know enough german for it
14:24<quaker66>used ubuntu then and when i realized it's slow and buggy, I moved to debian and stayed
14:24<user01>quaker66, always something not yet translated
14:25<quaker66>user01, hmm i know just a bit of German
14:25<quaker66>my native language is Czech and then i know English quite well, but nothing else
14:25<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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14:25<quaker66>ml|, ok ok
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14:26<carmen>my names is carmen
14:26<quaker66>problem is #debian-offtopic is dead. always
14:26<carmen>puedes hablarme en español por fi+
14:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:26<themill>quaker66: it's not if you have something interesting to say.
14:26<carmen>jajaja soy española
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14:27<quaker66>themill, you can say anything but when the channel is full of zombies nobody responds :D
14:27<ml|>quaker66: like themill said
14:27<user01>ah ive been doing aptitude dist-upgrade, but aptitude full-upgrade is better?
14:27<themill>user01: man aptitude...
14:28<quaker66>user01, i know everybody will spank me but actually i am using apt-get dist-upgrade :D
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14:28<dkr>or read the install guide which tells how to upgrade also
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14:28<ml|>some can't give up on apt-get ;/
14:28<user01>i was using aptitude with dist-upgrade command and it was working
14:29<ml|>user01: man aptitude
14:29<quaker66>ml|, apt-get works perfectly for me, i have no reason to use anything else.
14:29<user01>or option i should say
14:29<ml|>quaker66: to each his own
14:29<user01>ml|, info aptitude is more recent i thought?
14:29<dkr>I need aptitude because I always end up with lots of broken dependencies and whatnot due to fiddling around a lot. :)
14:29<quaker66>imho aptitude does too much automatically for me :)
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14:29<user01>thought man pages were outdated now for many packages
14:30<ml|>since when?
14:30<geckos>how to get rid of this "*** update-locale: Error: LANGUAGE ("pt_BR:pt:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US.UTF-8)" at `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'
14:30<user01>ml|, it says so at the bottom of some man pages
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14:30<user01>ml|, this man page is now outdated please see info pages
14:30<locklace>user01: that's gnu propaganda
14:30<quaker66>geckos, export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
14:30<dkr>user01: those messages have been there for 15 years
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14:31<aguitel>ml|, there is no kmuto image for squeeze
14:31<ml|>user01: yeah, say to use info; but nab works fine in debian
14:31<geckos>quaker66: I already do this.. but the LANGUAGE variable become pt_br:en again
14:31<quaker66>geckos, or set both LANG and LANGUAGE to pt_BR.UTF-8
14:31<geckos>quaker66: Ok, I'll try this
14:31<user01>it said so in my lpic-1 review book too
14:32<ml|>aguitel: you don't need to use squeeze installer, if you use kmuto; read what it does
14:32<user01>so now i know what to write on the exam
14:32<quaker66>geckos, you can also try update-locale under root
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14:32<ml|>aguitel: after using kmuto you move to squeeze
14:32<user01>"info pages is gnu propaganda"
14:32<aguitel>ml|, ok
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14:33<ml|>like we told you before /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
14:33<ml|>aguitel: ^ but read about kmuto, so you understand
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14:34<ml|>aguitel: if kmuto does not work for some reason, then you need to try testing installer
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14:34<adb>user01, don't like gnu ? ... go windows
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14:35<aguitel>ml|, ok
14:35<user01>adb, who doesnt like gnu?
14:36<geckos>quaker66: update-locales works fine.. ty
14:36<geckos>which man page tell me about LANGUAGE variable?
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14:37<Flakk>locklace: I have labelled the partitions, and found out the UUID numbers. should I write in the /boot/grub/menu.lst the following: root="LABEL=[namelabel]" or root=LABEL=[namelabel]? otherwise, should I write root = "UUID=..." or without quotes root=UUID=... ?? - thanks
14:37<user01>i think windows 7 marketing stole the saying "linux -- in a world without walls who need windows"
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14:37<user01>because i saw an add with a guy who chainsawed a hole in his wall and it said windows life without walls
14:38<geckos>quaker66: ty ;)
14:38<user01>but all he did was chainsaw a hole in his wall
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14:38<rpetre>user01: haha
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14:38<user01>so it made no sense
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14:39<user01>so yet another thing microsoft stole and made worse
14:39<quaker66>user01, Derek in a splatter movie Bad Taste also made a hole into wall with a chainsaw, but i doubt it was because of windows
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14:42<user01>the caption should have read . . . windows -- because we dont want to give you anything adaquately or properly designed, just put a hole in your wall
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14:43<geckos>quaker66: for who use a english system LC_ALL=C seem to be the simplest option
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14:43<abrotman>user01: try #debian-offtopic
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14:43<geckos>uses *
14:43<quaker66>geckos, well, C is POSIX locale
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14:43<quaker66>but i dunno.. imho better is to use en_US.UTF-8 because C is ascii, en_US.UTF-8 is UTF8
14:44<locklace>Flakk: root=UUID=...
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14:44<quaker66>locklace, imho using labels is better
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14:44<Flakk>locklace: thanx, already trying ))
14:45<ml|>I prefer UUID
14:46<quaker66>ml|, label is shorter and also doesn't depend on /dev/sdX directly
14:46<quaker66>so label wins here
14:46<ml|>UUID dose not either
14:46<quaker66>yep but UUID is long
14:46<quaker66>label is human-readable :P
14:47<geckos>cya, bye
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14:47<ml|>blkid :)
14:48<rpetre>labels risk conflicts when you add another disk that contains "root", "swap", "home" and so on :)
14:49<aguitel>ml|, what browser are using squeeze ?
14:49<Flakk>I have just tried root=LABEL=name and it does not help my problem. Am trying UUID
14:49<ml|>aguitel: in squeeze you mean?
14:49<aguitel>ml|, yes
14:50<ml|>aguitel: iceweasel = firefox in debian
14:50<aguitel>ml|, ok
14:51<quaker66>ml|, iceweasel is one of reasons why i like debian
14:51<ml|>aguitel: but, you can use firefox if you like, but will take some work
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14:51<aguitel>quaker66, explain this
14:52<quaker66>aguitel, it's like firefox but it's not slow and memory-consuming like firefox
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14:52<schlurchz>quaker66: really? you measured that?
14:52<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg why iceweasel for the reason
14:52<aguitel>quaker66, only this?
14:52<schlurchz>I doubt it
14:52<quaker66>schlurchz, it is.. compared with firefox on ubuntu
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14:52<quaker66>going installing.. bye people
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14:53<schlurchz>iceweasel is just a re-branded firefox.
14:53<aguitel>and what about the updates?
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14:53<aguitel>iceweasel updates
14:54<ml|>debian takes care of that
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14:54<aguitel>ml|, squeeze is using grub2 ?
14:56<aguitel>ml|, i tell you i am using ubuntu ,but my principal problem with karmik(last ubntu) is the boot process is to slowly with grub2 and i need to reinstall jaunty
14:56<komputes>!ask | komputes
14:56<aguitel>jaunty is using grub legacy
14:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:57<schlurchz>grub2 boot speed was your main problem? Warranting a reinstall? Amazing.
14:57<ml|>I have no issues here with grub2 on two older machines; boots fast
14:57<ml|>komputes: /msg dpkg selftell
14:58<schlurchz>I just migrated and grub2 indeed seems to be slower; didn't measure it though, and definietely not a showstopper
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14:58<Flakk>locklace: well neither /root=LABEL=... nor /root=UUID=... do not help. without an USB drive inserted everythig boots allright, but it booted all right also with /root=/dev/hda1. WITH the usb drive installed it just does not boot, that is, its last phrase is "Booting the kernel." - about 5 minutes already. Any help?
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14:58<boolean>Flakk: recompile kernel
14:58<ml|>if it's slower maybe one sec, but never noticed reallu
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14:59<schlurchz>yeah, maybe 1 or 2 seconds.
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15:01<ml|>Flakk: and your bios is set to boot from correct hard drive?
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15:02<locklace>Flakk: follow the syntax here for your grub config and make sure to run update-grub afterward:
15:02<natep>hi, I'm running Debian 5.04 in VirtualBox (thanks to this channel's help last night), and suddenly, it doesn't have access to the internet.
15:02<locklace>natep: the internet is overrated anyway
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15:03<ml|>natep: did it work before?
15:03<natep>I know, but I live an overrated life
15:03<natep>it has been
15:03<natep>up until 5 minutes ago
15:03<ml|>then what did you do?
15:03<natep>I didn't notice until I tried to apt-get install subversion
15:03<natep>and then I discovered that Konquerer and Iceweasel couldn't connect either
15:04<natep>but VirtualBox says it's connected
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15:05<komputes>ml|: yeah sorry about that, i thought the bot was debhelper, just needed that one factoid as it is very well written.
15:05<natep>I was messing around with environment variables, and running commands like 'export $test=test'
15:06<ml|>komputes: for future dpkg help :)
15:06<ml|>natep: tried restarting vbox?
15:06<natep>I made some mistakes, like leaving out the $, but I wasn't root, and I didn't get any error messages
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15:09<Flakk>locklace: thanx, I have checked the link. However I think this becomes too complicated. I just wanted to wipe out a small problem, but I see that to repair it I can have harder ones. Thanx a lot for your help!
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15:09<natep>I restarted the guest OS, but not Vbox
15:09<natep>I'll try that
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15:11<natep>ok, that was it
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15:12<natep>it's always something simple, isn't it?
15:12<ml|>np, sometimes you get lucky ;)
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15:14<akarito>Hi, I have Debian Lenny, and I got the tar.gz of libgpod-0.7.90 [for my iPod Nano 5G]. So far, I've ended up just getting configure errors, including sqlite3 [although I installed it]. Is there any way to get the config file to notice sqlite3?
15:15<akarito>The errors are about sqlite3 not being installed.
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15:15<ml|>!es-social Antonella
15:15<dpkg>Antonella: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:15<locklace>akarito: you'll want to install libsqlite3-dev
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15:19<akarito>locklace: Now it wants libplist. Is there any way to get all the packages at once?
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15:19<akarito>And Aptitude won't show libplist.
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15:20<rpetre>akarito: libplist-dev
15:21<akarito>rpetre: That's also not found. I searched Aptitude and no results for "libplist" anywhere.
15:21<rpetre>it's not in stable, just testing and sid, as far as i can see
15:21<locklace>akarito: welcome to the joy of building your own software from source
15:21<akarito>rpetre: Do you think a backport [if available] would suffice?
15:22<locklace>no backport either, you'll have to build that too
15:22<boolean>what is ia64?
15:22<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
15:22<rpetre>no idea, i see that the one in testing is 0.13 and the one in sid is 1.11, so the version might matter for you
15:23<boolean>locklace: someone wrote this on a forum: it seems as if some idiot genius at Debian thought it was a really clever idea to name the Itanium-images IA64 (which I assumed was short for Intel Arch 64, since there is a amd64)
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15:23<boolean>maybe that is the reason why I can't boot?
15:23<boolean>bad naming though
15:24<abrotman>boolean: sounds like that person is an idiot ..
15:24<rpetre>they write all kind of things on forums
15:24<locklace>like because you didn't read the big huge warning plastered all over the IA-64 release notes telling you not to use it unless you have an itanium
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15:24<boolean>locklace: where?
15:25<boolean>you can't expect people to read the manual when the name is so obvious
15:25<boolean>ia64 sounds like intel :p
15:25<rpetre>it is intel
15:26<boolean>and amd is sertanly not intel:p
15:26<boolean>well that is what people read
15:26<abrotman>yeah .. manuals are bad
15:26<abrotman>boolean: you mean intel and amd don't make compatible CPUs ?
15:26<boolean>so i have to agree somewhat with the guy in the forum
15:26<abrotman>boolean: the guy on the forum doesn't know what he's talking about ..
15:26<boolean>abrotman: it should probably been called i86-64 or something
15:27<rpetre>i believe it's a nice filter for people who can't be bothered to read the release notes
15:27<abrotman>or manuals .. or anything
15:27<rpetre>boolean: it's called this way because intel licensed the architecture from amd
15:27<bja>boolean: amd developed the instruction set for amd64 that is why it is called amd64
15:27<rpetre>i believe the kernel guys call it the same
15:27<boolean>i usually do read manuals, it's true.. but it is really a bad name
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15:27<abrotman>boolean: so you're going to blame intel ?
15:27<abrotman>they named it IA64 ...
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15:28<boolean>i'm not blaming anyone. i just say it is a bad name
15:28<rpetre>it's the name it has
15:28<boolean>it is a confusing name
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15:28<abrotman>you agreed with the forum guy that said debian did a bad thing .. but it wasn't debian, and that person can't read ..
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15:28<abrotman>boolean: do you have an actual support questoin?
15:28<boolean>sorry about that
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15:29<boolean>i agree with him that it is a bad name
15:29<abrotman>great .. do you need help? or are you just going ot keep saying that you can't read?
15:29<rpetre>boolean: i believe "powerpc" is even better from that point of view, sounds nicer :)
15:29<peej> is broken on lenny for me. I believe I get to keep both pieces, but the gui login screen starts. It's just I can't type anything (hourglass keeps going). strace shows it getting stuck in a loop on clock_gettime. Clues?
15:30<boolean>abrotman: i had a problem earilier, but didn't really get any useful help
15:30<abrotman>so you just want to complain about a name now?
15:30<boolean>it had to do with my problem
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15:31<cahoot>boolean: so you did a simple misinterpretation
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15:31<boolean>yes, and i'm not the first
15:31<rpetre>boolean: no one suspected you had the wrong arch dvd, they thought it's a different issue
15:31<peej>I think it's understandable
15:32<cahoot>life is full of such - just move on
15:32<boolean>rpetre: i don't blame anyone
15:32<rpetre>ok then
15:33<abrotman>he already did!
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15:33<peej>(understandable that boolean made that mistake). A positive way of looking at it is that wisdom comes from making mistakes. I am very wise in some ways.
15:34<boolean>one mistake and two dvd's in trash
15:34<rpetre>get the amd64 dvd, and next time try to give more useful information
15:34<peej>boolean, oh, that's a cheap lesson.
15:34<abrotman>boolean: why not use the netinst ?
15:34<jrabbit>Who here maitnains eglibc?
15:34<abrotman>probably no one in here
15:34<peej>jrabbit, are you a developer?
15:34<jrabbit>libc6 in unstable has this valloc error fixed
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15:35<jrabbit>peej: I run bleeding edge libtorrent, power user :P
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15:35<boolean>rpetre: i couldn't have guessed that it was because of ia64 either.. i looked at the amd64 (no, i dont have any amd processor... let me see... 64, 64, 64.. ahh.. ia64.. there we go)
15:35<boolean>and i think many have done the same
15:35<abrotman>and right below the list of CDs .. it tells you to read the installation manual
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15:36<peej>which many also do after they b0rk their install
15:36<boolean>abrotman: well.. it was one of thouse obvious things
15:36<jrabbit>abrotman: I'm gettign the developer in contact with the glib team via their mailing list email
15:36<abrotman>boolean: apparently not
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15:36<abrotman>jrabbit: okay ..
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15:37<rpetre>dpkg needs an "obvious" factoid :)
15:37<dpkg>rpetre: I give up, what is it?
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15:38<jrabbit>I don't know if its a good idea to install a libc6 from unstable
15:38<jrabbit>like if that'd break *EVERYTHING*
15:38<abrotman>on what? unstable?
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15:38<jrabbit>I'm on testing
15:38<jrabbit>the bug is in the version of eglibc in testing
15:38<abrotman>,versions libc6
15:38<judd>libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4
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15:39<abrotman>they have the same versoin
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15:40<jrabbit>no they don't
15:40<akarito>I tried compiling libplist, but a. there's no source of libplist-dev I can find and b. It's still not picked up. Did I miss something?
15:40<peej>argh. I hate skype. And I need it. The dilemma....
15:40<jrabbit>mayeb they do
15:41<jrabbit>anywho its bugged
15:41<jrabbit>maybe expirmental has a fixed version
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15:42<abrotman>akarito: compiling how ?
15:42<akarito>locklace: That's what I used.
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15:42<akarito>abrotman: I had to use CMAKE to get a Makefile. It only worked for plutil, though.
15:42<locklace>akarito: once you install it somewhere, you'll have to point the libgpod configure/makefile at it
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15:43<abrotman>akarito: that's not creating a debian package ..
15:43<akarito>abrotman: I don't know how to make a Debian package.
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15:43<locklace>there is no debian package for this in lenny, he's on his own
15:43<abrotman>!tell akarito about ssb
15:44<jrabbit>akarito: you don't generally need to make a package to compile
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15:44<Babdulla>lost my connection
15:45<akarito>So wait, that says to add src for sid, but I have lenny. Wouldn't it break?
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15:45<abrotman>akarito: a deb-src .. not deb
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15:46<boolean>anyone answered?
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15:47<abrotman>boolean: did you ask a question?
15:47<boolean>what hdmedia is
15:48<gernot>Hi. I installed nvidia drivers with m-a. If I wanted to remove them would aptitude be the right tool or is there something more m-a specific?
15:48<akarito>abrotman: "E: Unable to find a source package for libplist" and "E: Unable to find a source package for libplist-dev" is what I get.
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15:50<krazykit>gernot, aptitude will do it just fine.
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15:50<locklace>akarito: if you're going that route, you might as well ssb the libgpod
15:51<dpkg>To install Debian without any removable media, ask me about <install guide> and read "Appendix A. Installation Howto", specifically "A.2.4. Booting from hard disk". To download hd-media/* files and Debian CD images, ask me about <install debian>. See also <netboot>, <debian.exe>, <debootstrap>.
15:51<abrotman>akarito: did you aptitude update ?
15:51<akarito>abrotman: No, I used apt-get update. I'll try aptitude.
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15:52<zem>hi, with latest update i got 2.6.30-2-686 and 2.6.30-2-trunk-686 kernels, which one should i use? what is trunk?
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15:53<akarito>Oh wait, I accidentally typed in lenny again. Sorry.
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15:55<akarito>I added a deb-src to sources.list and when searching source got this:
15:56<akarito>"E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ - open (2 No such file or directory)"
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15:56<ml|>zem: you mean 2.6.32-trunk-686
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15:56<abrotman>zem: aptitude install linux-image-686
15:57<akarito>Okay, it started running, but gives 0.7.2
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15:59<akarito>"Build command 'cd libplist-1.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed."
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16:01<akarito>Is there any way that I can just make it source-install all dependencies? I'm not sure how much farther these go...
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16:02<locklace>akarito: first step, forget about plist and get libgpod4
16:03<zem>ml|: yes, it's 2.6.32-trunk-686, is that normal?
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16:03<ml|>zem: for testing now it is
16:03<locklace>akarito: and then "aptitude build-depends" it
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16:09<boolean>is it still possible to install firefox and not iceweasel?
16:09<locklace>why would you want to
16:09<ml|>not with apt*
16:09<ml|>you can on your own tho
16:09<boolean>just read a new forum article :p Iceweasel **IS NOT** Firefox. It has been lobotomized and has major runtime bugs. Relying on it for production work is impossible, and the fact that it has been included as a primary browser *anywhere* is inexcusable
16:10<rpetre>nice forum
16:10<boolean>well.. usually there may be something to it
16:11<abrotman>boolean: wtf forum are you reading?
16:11<rpetre>yup, very frustrated people who need to externalize blame, usually
16:11<ml|> ?
16:11<locklace>all this dialogue with you is telling us is your poor taste in reading material
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16:11<boolean>actually that was on a blog
16:11<jrabbit>boolean: Just get the generic firefox for linux
16:11<jrabbit>problem solved
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16:12<jrabbit>No need to get upset over browsers
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16:12<boolean>locklace: actually.. it was not me that encouraged to a dialogue. <locklace> why would you want to
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16:13<locklace>i was referring to the whole sordid history of your time here
16:13<rpetre>or get ubuntu/centos/fedora/mandriva and ask _them_ why they are so stupid, instead of us :D
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16:14<boolean>i just wanted to know if i could install firefox instead of iceweasel. don't ask me questions if you don't want a dialogue with me :p
16:14<akarito>Now I have libplist installed, but it still says no libplist found. Also, I can't find gobject anywhere.
16:15<akarito>Do I get the python version?
16:15<jrabbit>boolean: you can if you add a repo with it or use the versino from mozilla
16:18<boolean>can aptitude keep track of it?
16:18<akarito>But also, how do I show libplist to configure?
16:18<ml|>boolean: no and theres no need ff updates it self
16:18<locklace>akarito: giving up on you because you're not reading anything i'm saying
16:19<akarito>locklace: I
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16:19<boolean>ml|: ahh :)
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16:20<akarito>locklace: I've already tried the build-depends, and there's nothing for glib anywhere, even when I run aptitude update.
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16:21<akarito>build-depends for both libplist and glib/gobject
16:22<mariiah>i do not understand
16:23<locklace>you are making this far too complicated. state your main goal again and then focus on getting, build-depending, building and installing libgpod4
16:23<mariiah>Akarito,i do not understand
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16:25<akarito>What I want to do is get libgpod [the version that can use iPod nano 5G support] running so I can use gtkpod with it. But there's no source online other than the one given by the site, Debian says it has to have a maintainer.
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16:26<mariiah>Hola soy María
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16:27<locklace>akarito: so does the version in sid do or not do what you want
16:27<locklace>,versions libgpod4
16:27<judd>libgpod4 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.7.0-0.1; sid: 0.7.2-2+b1; squeeze: 0.7.2-2+b1
16:27<akarito>locklace: It's too old. The only version supporting is 0.7.90
16:27<john1234>hi there, since i use xorg 7.5 all openGL games are very dark. Everything else is normal. Does someone know how to fix this?
16:27<akarito>It has a newer u[stream value.
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16:28<john1234>or is there a better channel to ask xorg debian questions?
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16:29<locklace>great, progress. in that case, you really are on your own and have to build it yourself, and in order to do that you will have to work with configure options and makefiles and finding and building dependencies
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16:29<locklace>john1234: you can also try #debian-x
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16:29<john1234>thanks locklace
16:30<mariiah>i'm spain
16:30<locklace>john1234: but in any case, providing details of your config and hardware is a good idea
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16:32<john1234>I got an ATI 4850. I tried with fglrx and radeon driver, same result. So it seems to be an xorg problem
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16:37<boolean>is it best to backport the ath9k driver or download it manually? or is there a better way?
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16:38<ml|>boolean: /msg dpkg reference for general debian stuff
16:38<ml|>boolean: might help ... /msg dpkg ath9k
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16:39<boolean>ok :) i'll do that. just not used to it :p
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16:40<ml|>dpkg is your friend here :)
16:40<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, ml|
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16:41<boolean>dpkg do you know anything at all?
16:41*dpkg refuses to do you know anything at all
16:41<boolean>i see
16:41<ml|>but don't abuse dpkg /msg dpkg selftell
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16:45<boolean>hehe.. using backports for the ath9k driver is difficult since i need that to make a connection :p
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16:46<ml|>!es-social pablit
16:46<dpkg>pablit: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:47<pablit>aún siendo así, no se puede saludar?
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16:48<MrShad0wX>please speak english
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16:48<MrShad0wX>or find channel which is destined for your english
16:48<ml|>pablit: saludar si, pero aqui es english sola mente
16:49<rpetre>debian just got deployed in some spanish highschool with the default xchat config?
16:49<ml|>pablit: mira lo que dpkg dijo
16:50<ml|>seems so
16:50<ml|>I don't think it's debian tho
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16:52<rpetre>i don't remember that inflow of chatty spaniards from my other visits :) (and i quite admire you guys for being so patient about it)
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16:53<ml|>ah pablit is using ubuntu
16:53<MrShad0wX>really interesting
16:54<ml|>sent to wrong channel
16:54<ml|>CTCP VERSION reply from pablit: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
16:54<MrShad0wX>it seems to
16:54<ml|>that ubuntu bug strikes again ;(
16:55<rpetre>maybe one should ask them get their admin over here for a little chat :)
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16:55<ml|>rpetre: has being done, but still happens
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16:57<ml|>I thought we had es-ubuntu, but looks like it got deleted ;(
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16:57<ml|>hah, ubuntu-es
16:58<MrShad0wX>i dont like ubuntu
16:58<ml|>it's to send them to the right channel
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16:59<rpetre>or add to the factoid "for Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu-es" to not scare the genuine users
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17:00<ml|>the ubuntu factiod is long already, so it's better on it's own
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17:01<boolean>now it's time to install debian
17:01<ml|>good luck
17:01<ml|>install guide read it!
17:01<boolean>i have installed debian before :p
17:01<ml|>still :)
17:02<boolean>i'll read when i come to kernel compilation
17:02<boolean>i probably need to do that to get the ath9k drivers to work
17:02<ml|>also ^
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17:02<boolean>i loke guides like that
17:03<ml|>install guide is more detailed tho
17:03<boolean>kernel install :p
17:03<MrShad0wX>debian is really nice system
17:03<MrShad0wX>we all love debian ;]
17:03<boolean>when you get it to work :p
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17:03<boolean>and have the correct install cds
17:03<boolean>and have wifi drivers
17:03<lord_rob>MrShad0wX: everybody knows that here :p
17:04<kop>boolean: I always use the netinstall. Its all going to get downloaded anyway.
17:04<MrShad0wX>I know but my respect for this cant stay in me :)
17:04<boolean>does lenny have support for ext4?
17:04<kop>lord_rob: Ok then. I love m4. :-)
17:04<ml|>!win MrShad0wX
17:04<dpkg>Congratulations, MrShad0wX! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island!
17:04<aguitel>ml|, i am running squeeze now
17:04<ml|>boolean: no
17:04<ml|>!congratulate aguitel
17:04<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies aguitel, you did it!
17:05<aguitel>i did
17:05<boolean>ml|: dpkg says it is
17:05<SecT>aguitel, Did you have any problems with squeeze yet?
17:05<aguitel>SecT, no
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17:05<ml|>boolean: ?
17:05<boolean>merged in mainline
17:05<aguitel>SecT, why you asking this?
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17:06<ml|>boolean: lenny does not support ext4 by default, maybe with bpo kernel or if you use kmuto installer
17:07<boolean>i saw that on the wiki
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17:07<boolean>doesnt merged in mainline mean it is supported?
17:07<kop>boolean: It needs grub2.
17:07<otakup0pe>can anyone suggest why i am getting hash sum/size mismatches when trying to install packages from a file:/// repo ?
17:07<ml|>boolean: if you want to use ext4 I'd use kmuto
17:07<otakup0pe>or suggest troubleshooting steps
17:07<SecT>Aguitel, I did a fresh Lenny netinstall today.
17:07<aguitel>SecT, a ok
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17:07<kop>otakup0pe: Did you do an 'aptitude update' first?
17:07<otakup0pe>apt-get update but yes
17:08<SecT>i thought squeeze would be too unstable for dayly use
17:08<otakup0pe>hmm i wonder if mini-dinstall is acting up
17:08<ml|>otakup0pe: pastebin the whole output
17:08<MrShad0wX>Anybody knows what drivers are best for radeon 9200?
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17:08<lord_rob>I don't know if it's because of experienceati ?
17:09<lord_rob>ati ?
17:09<lord_rob>MrShad0wX: ati ?
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17:10<MrShad0wX>I can download rpm package for xorg 6.8 from official page
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17:10<MrShad0wX>and make deb
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17:10<SecT>I have been running fedora 12 for some time. But the responsiveness of the Debian system is much better.
17:10<MrShad0wX>but is it good solve?
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17:10<ml|>otakup0pe: amd your sources.list for you to get more help
17:10<lord_rob>MrShad0wX: why ? it's in debian
17:10<otakup0pe>i don't see how that would help since according to that log it is pulling from the right location ?
17:11<lord_rob>the free driver or the non-free one
17:11<MrShad0wX>and these drivers supports 3d and all of that things?
17:11<lord_rob>sure they do
17:11<MrShad0wX>ok thx
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17:11<ml|>MrShad0wX: ask dpkg about ati fglrx should help
17:12<MrShad0wX>but what is an ati fglrx?
17:12<lord_rob>the drivers that provide the best 3d optimization are proprietary ones (aka fglrx)
17:12<otakup0pe>hmm mini-dinstall doesn't seem to be generating a Releases file ?
17:13<MrShad0wX>and a little question
17:13<MrShad0wX>which gui gives best performance?
17:13<kop>otakup0pe: didn't look, but there's also corrupt filesystem or bad downloads.
17:13<otakup0pe>filesystems should be fine
17:13<kop>lord_rob: That is not always true. Sometimes the open drivers are the best.
17:13<otakup0pe>apt-get update is Ign'ing everything in that file:/// repo tho
17:14<ml|>otakup0pe: ah, those are your local repos?
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17:14<lord_rob>kop: that was where I was about to say
17:14<ml|>MrShad0wX: I meant /msg dpkg ati and ...
17:14<kop>!tell otakup0pe about why aptitude
17:15<otakup0pe>ml|: yeah
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17:15<otakup0pe>kop: what
17:15<lord_rob>MrShad0wX: but it depends on what you want to do with your PC because proprietary drivers are not very stable so ...
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17:15<otakup0pe>i know what aptitude is ?
17:15<aguitel>ml|, how install nvidia drivers ?
17:15<kop>otakup0pe: Just a fyi. You seem to be using apt-get.
17:15<bremner>lord_rob: also, 9200 is very old, so free drivers are probably fine
17:15<ml|>otakup0pe: ok, just that ouptut from apt-get did not look right, why I asked for sources
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17:16<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg nvidia
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17:16<otakup0pe>kop: because it's easier to troubleshoot than aptitude :)
17:16<lord_rob>yes in this case even proprietary ones could not even support the model
17:16<ml|>yeah and proprietary drivers are not supported
17:17<lord_rob>that's the case with proprietary business model ...
17:17<ml|>but somethimes you might not have a choice
17:17<kop>And the open drivers get better over time, and your system won't break on upgrade.
17:18<ml|>aguitel: btw, what did you end up using for install?
17:19<lord_rob>that's why I've choosen my new config to be able to use Linux directly without having to use various proprietary tweaks, only intel hardware (network and video)
17:19<aguitel>ml|, the install is working fine
17:19<rpetre>i've heard today that nouveau got pretty usable
17:19<rpetre>any word of debian support?
17:20<ml|>aguitel: yes, but what installer did you use?
17:20<lord_rob>it's in .33 at least
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17:21<aguitel>ml|, from squeeze
17:21<kop>DROP FUNCTION biograph_func() CASCADE;
17:21<kop>DROP FUNCTION biograph_delete_func() CASCADE;
17:21<kop>DROP FUNCTION biograph_before_delete_func() CASCADE;
17:21<kop>DROP FUNCTION _biograph_update_cycgapdays(biograph, biograph) CASCADE;
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17:21<ml|>wrong spelling -> nouveau correct?
17:21<ml|>aguitel: testing iso or kmuto then lenny->squeeze?
17:21<lord_rob>it's a french word
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17:22<MrShad0wX>What is best IDE for c++?
17:22<lord_rob>nouveau means new
17:22<rpetre>and has "nv" in it :)
17:22<ml|>but what is correct spelling?
17:22<dpkg>Nouveau is a <> project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Nouveau DRM included in staging at Linux 2.6.33, not considered an official release. Current development status: . #nouveau on
17:22<rpetre>this one
17:22<aguitel>ml|, testing iso
17:22<lord_rob>ml|: this is the correct spelling
17:22<ml|>aguitel: ah ok great :)
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17:23<ml|>rpetre: thanks
17:23<ml|>lord_rob: seems you had it right too
17:23<lord_rob>sure I'm french speaking :p
17:24<lord_rob>and I had read about the project even if I'm not using an nVidia board any longer
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17:24<ml|>just that I asked judd for versions and got no info, so it must be in experimanetal still
17:25<rpetre>uhm, opengl support is still in the "hazardous material, do not touch" mode
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17:25<lord_rob>well it's said to be in kernel 2.6.33
17:25<aguitel>ml|, there is no software sources in squeeze
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17:25<quaker66>lol aguitel, i see the discussion continues :)
17:25<ml|>yep only in experimental still
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17:26<quaker66>aguitel, what do you mean by "software sources"?
17:26<ml|>aguitel: what do you mean?
17:26<lord_rob>it seems to work ok
17:26<quaker66>the app for managing sources.list?
17:26<quaker66>apt-get install software-properties-gtk/kde
17:26<aguitel>item in system administration
17:26<ml|>you mean in gnome?
17:27<quaker66>ml|, propably :)
17:27<quaker66>aguitel, the tool is there
17:27<quaker66>just select if you want KDE or GTK frontend
17:27<quaker66>and install the package you want
17:27<ml|>oh, no idea don't use gnome and just use the terminal
17:27<quaker66>ml|, i had to be in gnome now!
17:27<quaker66>horrible :D
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17:27<ml|>I think you want synaptic
17:27<MrShad0wX>one more time : What is best IDE for C++ on linux?
17:28<rpetre>vim :D
17:28<quaker66>ml|, i was just reinstalling my OS :P sid again, of course :P
17:28<ml|>!start an editor war
17:28<dpkg>vim bites
17:29<quaker66>MrShad0wX, no IDE, select any editor you want(vim, geany, tea, nano, NOT emacs, etc..) + gcc + autotools :)
17:29<MrShad0wX>i know that method
17:29<otakup0pe>ml|: fwiw turns out it's just mini-dinstall not working for some reason. i dput'd it to my actual http:// repo and it worked
17:29<ml|>quaker66: know one put a gun to your head to use gnome
17:29<quaker66>ml|, i don't use gnome :D
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17:29<quaker66>gnome sucks :P
17:29<quaker66>i use Enlightenment 0.17
17:30<bremner>MrShad0wX: kdevelop, eclipse are options
17:30<MrShad0wX>gnome sucks
17:30<ml|>< quaker66> ml|, i had to be in gnome now! ??
17:30<quaker66>ml|, well, i installed it when running debian-installer.. didnt see it for long so wanted to check how it progressed :P
17:30<quaker66>it didn't progress at all
17:30<lord_rob>yeah twm is teh r0x0rz
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17:31<quaker66>it is still the same since version 2
17:31<ml|>xmonad :)
17:31<quaker66>except they removed features..
17:31<quaker66>thats gnome's way of doing things
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17:31<quaker66>remove any feature in GUI and put it all into strange tree in gconf
17:31<ml|>!congratulate otakup0pe
17:31<dpkg>Good show otakup0pe, you did it!
17:32<ml|>yeah, that sucks
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17:32<MrShad0wX>if you are writing are you writing apps with graphical interface with vim?
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17:32<lord_rob>use a tty
17:32<ml|>and I haven't used gnome in ages, still the same huh?
17:32<quaker66>MrShad0wX, i just write the interface :)
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17:33<lord_rob>erm a terminal emunator sorry
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17:33<kop>Sorry about that. Child got loose.
17:33<quaker66>MrShad0wX, developing graphical interfaces with Enlightenment Foundation Libraries is easy
17:33<quaker66>with edje library i can split the GUI from the app
17:33<ml|>MrShad0wX: #vim is a better place for usage help
17:33<MrShad0wX>for windows I am using ready templates
17:33<quaker66>or design it manually in C with Elementary
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17:33<MrShad0wX>or something like visual c++
17:33<ml|>kop: heh, I was wondering
17:34<lord_rob>there is kdevelop
17:34<lord_rob>there is eclipse
17:34<quaker66>code:blocks, netbeans
17:34<MrShad0wX> more time, I must try
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17:35<lord_rob>xemacs was cool for my schoolworks
17:36<quaker66>going out of X to install nvidia driver
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17:36<psych787>Can anyone please show me where to retrieve version of the package gstreamer0.10-plugins-base ? It was replaced by a newer (broken) package in Debian Experimental, its not in, and I don't have a copy of it in /var/cache/archives.
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17:37<ml|>psych787: installed from experimental?
17:38<psych787>I have a variety of packages from stable, testing, unstable, and experimental.
17:38<lord_rob>using aptitude ?
17:38<rpetre>the one in squeeze/sid is 0.10.26-1
17:38<psych787>Yes, I am an aptitude expert. :P
17:38<ml|>you might try searching the net for that version
17:38<psych787>0.10.26-1 is broken
17:39<psych787>I have tried to build its source package unsuccessfully. Google does not turn up any remaining links to the older debian package.
17:39<lord_rob>psych787: do you have etch sources ?
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17:40<lord_rob>can't you use any version ?
17:40<ml|>heh, what for?
17:40<psych787>This one has been pulled from the repos.
17:40<lord_rob>ml|: because he could pin a given version with aptitude gui
17:40<ml|>lord_rob: not you
17:40<psych787>And I can't downgrade all the way to stable, that would take my KDE4 with it.
17:40<lord_rob>(normally stable is too old)
17:41<ml|>< lord_rob> psych787: do you have etch sources ? psych787> yes < ml|> heh, what for?
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17:41<psych787>I started out with stable, and remain at stable to the extent possible.
17:41<psych787>All pinning upwards of stable is to have KDE4 which I could not wait for.
17:42<ml|>well etch sources are useless at this point
17:42<psych787>Pretty much.
17:42<lord_rob>indeed, I still have them for some deprecated packages
17:42<psych787>Anyway, unless debian has something other than snapshot where old experimental packages are kept, or someone here has the package, I am probably out of luck in this case.
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17:43<ml|>yep, just wait or maybe someone can download it for you
17:43<lord_rob>ml|: I did not mean ETCH sources but LENNY sorry :/
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17:44<ml|>ah, see what I mean now
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17:45<rpetre>psych787: has that version of the package
17:45<psych787>its amd64 though
17:45<ml|>psych787: one sec I'll get it for you
17:45<psych787>I'm i386.
17:45<rpetre>so i guess it might be in the ubuntu pool
17:45<psych787>ok much appreciated
17:45<ml|>gstreamer0.10-plugins-base 0.10.26-1 right?
17:46<psych787>lord_rob: FYI, I started out with Sarge, upgraded to Etch fresh later, then dist-upgraded to Lenny carefully, then later pinned lots of packages to get KDE4. So I have lots of experience with up-and-down-grading with aptitude, as well as carefully setting preferences.
17:46<ml|>judd versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-base
17:46<judd>gstreamer0.10-plugins-base -- etch: 0.10.10-4; lenny: 0.10.19-2; lenny-backports: 0.10.26-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.10.26-1; squeeze: 0.10.26-1; experimental:
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17:47<ml|>psych787: ^
17:47<psych787>That doesn't include 0.10.25-2 :(
17:47<psych787>As I said, it got pulled from the repositories.
17:47<psych787>Hence, I have a hard time finding it.
17:47<ml|>nope, I don't see it; but not the same as experimental
17:48<psych787>it *was* experimental :(
17:48<rpetre> - might not work for you?
17:48<ml|>but the one from sid should work
17:48<ml|>and tesing same
17:48<rpetre>it's +ubuntu, but it's the same version...
17:49<ml|>rpetre: not that
17:49<psych787>Its broken in that the colors are wrong when used in the phonon-gstreamer-backend for the plasma video widget.
17:49<ml|>ah, so that version is broken too?
17:49<psych787>rpetre: I'll try it, thanks.
17:49<psych787>All the repo versions are broken. :|
17:49<ml|>psych787: I would not use ubuntu packages, good luck if you do
17:49<lord_rob>psych787: so do I but I've always been using sid since I first installed Debian
17:50<psych787>I've used a few ubuntu packages. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they work.
17:50<psych787>Though, only like 5, and those have long since been replaced on my system.
17:51<psych787>Still if it fixes this, I'm grateful.
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17:52<ml|>psych787: did you check bts for a workaround?
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17:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
17:52<psych787>The exact bug isn't listed.
17:52<herman_nl_de>how can i get back to a process after logoff/logon?
17:52<ml|>well report it or it will never get fixed
17:52<herman_nl_de>via ssh to my server
17:52<rpetre>maybe you should report it if you get the time
17:53<ml|>herman_nl_de: you use screen
17:54<psych787>Note: I've been talking to gkiagia_ about it, but since I can't work with the source package I can't try to fix it.
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17:54<ml|>reporting will help tho
17:54<psych787>Given the manner in which it fails, I can't even produce any meaningful logging either. Only the KDE widgets have color issues, which are deeply integrated into plasma-desktop.
17:55<ml|>well some info is better than nothing
17:55<herman_nl_de>screen needs to be installed?
17:55<psych787>Also, I suspect this will not be an issue when KDE 4.4 comes out, given the presence of new backends among other things.
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17:56<rpetre>psych787: it's better if you can put it there, maybe it links to some other obscure bug
17:56<ml|>herman_nl_de: screen can do a lot man screen
17:56<psych787>So mainly, I'm trying to either get the older version, so I can confirm for sure the newer package is broken (and possibly report that) or get the source package compiled and fix it.
17:57<herman_nl_de>great tip, thanks
17:57<MrShad0wX>question : best firewall for debian?
17:57<herman_nl_de>living in Germany sucks when having a server colocated
17:58<herman_nl_de>but, problem solved
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17:59<psych787>The ubuntu package failed.
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18:00<psych787>Conflicts with existing libgstreamer version (and I don't want a large number of ubuntu packages on my system).
18:00<rpetre>try to get the source and see if there are ubuntu bits there than need re-debianization
18:00<psych787>I'll try forcing it though just for kicks.
18:01<psych787>Source package doesn't compile.
18:01<rpetre>i mean the source fror the ubuntu package
18:01<psych787>I know.
18:01<psych787>gstutils.h in all recent gstreamer packages is universally broken
18:01<psych787>So I have no idea how the other devs can compile any gstreamer0.10-base-plugins package on their systems.
18:02<rpetre>then get other essential stuff from ubuntu until you can rebuild your own 0.10.25 packages
18:02<adb> ubuntu is !ot
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18:02<psych787>I actually checked out several versions of gstutils.h from the gstreamer site. All are broken.
18:03<rpetre>adb: he's trying to get a specific version of a package and the only thing close enough was the one from ubuntu
18:03<bremner>psych787: if no one reports bugs, they don't get fixed
18:03<psych787>bremner: I don't have anything definitive to report.
18:03<adb>rpetre , chiar si asa , tot ot
18:03<bremner>psych787: the source package should always compile, but of course only in sid
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18:03<rpetre>adb: :)
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18:04<psych787>bremner: It doesn't. All versions of gstutils.h are broken for me.
18:04<bremner>psych787: but you're not actually running sid, are you?
18:05<ml|>psych787: maybe since you are doing unspported stuff?
18:05<psych787>Actually, I am running sid for all the KDE stuff.
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18:06<bremner>if you want to test, you can use pbuilder
18:06<psych787>and libgstreamer0.10-dev is sid, and gstutils.h is in their
18:06<ml|>ask dpkg
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18:06<psych787>!dpkg pbuilder
18:06<dpkg>hmm... pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian
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18:06<ml|>well I meant /msg dpkg ....
18:06<psych787>I use checkinstall for that.
18:07<bremner>not. at. all. the. same.
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18:08<psych787>Let me guess: pbuilder sets up alternate debian systems like testing or sid, and allows debian packages to be created from them for other distributions like stable
18:08<psych787>essentially, pbuilder is a backporting tool
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18:13<psych787>I used to have a debian unstable chroot for testing KDE4 prior to installing it. I *could* recreate it and use checkinstall in it after fixing gstreamer. However, that would be a major PITA, and I don't think having a "pure" sid installation is going to fix the fact that every version of gstreamer in the last three years has had a broken gstutils.h file.
18:14<psych787>Not to mention I'd still have to track down exactly what code change messed up gstreamer's colors in the first place. I'm not even sure that's where gkiagia thinks it might be.
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18:16<psych787>What would be *most* appreciated right now is the debian gstreamer0.10-base-plugins package. The ubuntu one conflicts.
18:17<psych787>Actually, the ubuntu one is much worse than that, but I may be able to use its *.so files. /me tries
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18:19<themill>psych787: pbuilder is a building tool. One of the things you can build is a backport sure, but you'll find most debian packages uploaded by the developers were build in a pbuilder environment.
18:20<aguitel>how install amsn in squeeze ?
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18:24<psych787>themill: Thanks. I'll consider pbuilder then. Always good to be able to duplicate a common build environment.
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18:28<psych787>Ok, problem solved, albeit in a strange as hell way.
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18:29<psych787>I took the libraries out of the ubuntu package, pasted them in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/backup.
18:30<psych787>make that the existing libraries
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18:30<psych787>the ubuntu ones I put in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ubuntu_0.10.25.2-1_test
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18:31<psych787>then I copied the files in /usr/lib/gstreamer/ubuntu_0.10.25.2-1_test to /usr/lib/gstreamer/
18:31<themill>psych787: do you often talk to yourself?
18:31<psych787>no, just explaining
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18:31<psych787>if that's not wanted, just say so :(
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18:32<ml|>!congratulate psych787
18:32<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies psych787, you did it!
18:32<psych787>lol ty
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18:32<psych787>Simply put though, I creatively merged the ubuntu package and verified that the ubuntu gstreamer-base-plugins package works.
18:33<rpetre>it'd be nice if you'd try to at least describe the bug in bts though
18:33<psych787>ahh good
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18:33<abrotman>why are you asking about ubuntu ?
18:34<abrotman>nevermind ..
18:34<psych787>I was going to ask if a bug report with the working ubuntu package and the failing debian package attached is desired.
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18:35<abrotman>did you say how the debian one is broken ?
18:35<psych787>Oh by the way rpetre thanks a bunch for the ubuntu package.
18:35<psych787>The debian one causes KDE4 video widgets to have wrong colors.
18:35<ml|>psych787: I would report it and what you did to fix it
18:35<rpetre>just mention that copying the .so-s from 0.10.25-2 whatever package worked
18:36<abrotman>he didn't fix it .. he used a package from another distro
18:36<psych787>Well true.
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18:36<psych787>Ok. So provide the two packages for comparision or not?
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18:38<ml|>I would, at very least help the dev see a possible fix for debian
18:38<zem>i'm trying to install nvidia drivers using m-a on squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686 and i get this: and i'm out of ideas, i tried with both squeeze and sid repos and get the same error
18:38<asdfsdfasf>hi. i want to install only one package and not all the dependencies that aptitude says it needs. i have tried using dpkg to install an individual deb, but every time i run aptitude after that i get messages that all it's dependencies are missing.
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18:39<asdfsdfasf>is there any way to do this without aptitude whining about missing deps?
18:39<psych787>asdfsdfsaf: You have run into the fundamental problem of broken packages on a debian system. Once you install them, there is no way to do anything else with apt or aptitude without uninstalling them.
18:39<abrotman>asdfsdfasf: that's why they are called dependencies
18:39<psych787>IMO, that is a major pain and should be fixed.
18:39<abrotman>psych787: he broke it
18:40<psych787>I know. Still, there ought to be a means to ignore some broken packages.
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18:40<abrotman>asdfsdfasf: you need to fix the dependencies .. ignore psych787
18:40<rpetre>yup, fixing them. i learned that the hard way
18:40<abrotman>asdfsdfasf: or give us more detail about the issue and what you're actually trying to do
18:41<aguitel>i am running compiz but no borders in windows are,anyone know about this
18:41<jpinx-eeepc>asdfsdfasf: that's what aptitude is meant to do - look after depends. man aptitude to find options - I'm not sure if there is one to dumb it down
18:41<ml|>zem: try .. /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
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18:42<psych787>aquitel: you need a window decorator such as emerald or kde-window-decorator
18:43<asdfsdfasf>sorry. aptitude is not complaining about dependencies right now. i have just experienced this in the past. i'm thinking maybe just install the files from the deb by hand...
18:43<psych787>you will also need to add its command in the compiz configuration manager (ccsm)
18:43<asdfsdfasf>because they aren't really dependencies
18:43<asdfsdfasf>how much space does compiz take up?
18:43<aguitel>psych787, no working with gtk decorator?
18:44<psych787>asdfsdfasf: You might also consider running a forced dpkg under checkinstall to build a package with out dependencies or outright editing the package
18:44<psych787>aguitel: I don't use gtk decorator, but that should work too.
18:44<themill>psych787: wtf are you on about?
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18:44<aguitel>psych787, how install emerald?
18:44<psych787>themill: Huh? I was just helping a couple of people.
18:44<themill>asdfsdfasf: if they're a debian package then they either are real dependencies or you have a bug that you should report using reportbug. (I'll bet that they *are* real dependencies)
18:45<themill>psych787: "running a forced dpkg under checkinstall"?
18:45<psych787>aguitel: Dunno. I don't use that either. Should be an apt get command.
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18:45<jpinx-eeepc>asdfsdfasf: I've told you already - aptitude looks after the depends - ignore it at your peril
18:45<psych787>themill: Like this. checkinstall --inspect -si "dpkg -i --force-depends <package_name>"
18:45<abrotman>psych787: you're not helping people
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18:46<psych787>Ok then, I'll shut up.
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18:48<vrkalak>Hi. What's the subject?
18:49<bja> /topic
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18:52<vrkalak>Squeezebang ... anyone else using it?
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18:52<abrotman>what is squeezebang ?
18:52<vrkalak>Squeezebang (Debian 'testing' with Openbox WM
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18:53<abrotman>that's called squeeze
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18:53<vrkalak>with OPenbox WM and NO D/E
18:53<abrotman>where did you get the ISO you used to install ?
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18:54<vrkalak>from the Crunchbang/Linux Forums, search for Squuezebang or Archbang
18:54<abrotman>you mean you're using crunchbang .. which is NOT debian ..
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18:54<abrotman>it's not even based on debian .. it's based on ubuntu .. you're double offtopic
18:55<vrkalak>They have made a new distro with Crunchbang based on Debian 'testing'
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18:55<abrotman>it's not Debian .. go to their support channel, this is not it
18:55<vrkalak>and another with crunchbang based on Arch
18:55*bja throws a red handkechief 20 yard penalty for vrkalak
18:55<abrotman>vrkalak: do you need help with Debian or not ?
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18:56<vrkalak>not so far ... I also, have a Debian 'testing' - Xfce
18:57*franki^ uses Squeeze and Openbox
18:57<vrkalak>with the next release of Crunchbang, the devs are switching to Debian 'testing' and leaving Ubuntu
18:58<abrotman>vrkalak: keep it on topic .. crunchbang is not ontopic
18:58<themill>vrkalak: we don't really care.
18:58*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
18:58<vrkalak>I just thought, it might be a good topic of discussion ... ?
18:58<psych787>Woah! Is there a way to send bug reports in a non-email based manner? I don't want to give out my email address among other things.
18:58<abrotman>psych787: no
18:58<abrotman>vrkalak: no
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18:58<vrkalak>no problem
18:59<psych787>Sorry, but there needs to be a more friendly way to submit bug reports, or I can't do it. What about forums?
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19:00<rpetre>psych787: get a new email address, they're cheap
19:00<ml|>psych787: why just email, what's the big deal
19:00<abrotman>psych787: then don't do it .. i'm sure someone else would have the same bug
19:00<themill>psych787: just report the bug using reportbug if you want people to get your bug report. If you don't want anyone to take any notice, then by all means try something else.
19:00<psych787>... no need to flame me. I just have a feeling
19:00<psych787>1) I'll screw it up with report bug.
19:01<ml|>no flaming here
19:01<psych787>2) That won't let me attach anything.
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19:01<abrotman>you don't have to use reportbug, you can use your regular email
19:01<psych787>3) Any email I use will be spammed rendering it impossible for me to interact.
19:01<psych787>abrotman: Then I'll be even more likely to screw it up.
19:01<abrotman>okay .. then just don't do it
19:01<themill>psych787: (1) is entirely up to you (2) is incorrect (3) isn't really true anyway, but feel free to use a gmail account or similar
19:02<ml|>psych787: you can use reportbut to create the massage and then use redular email to send and attatch what you need
19:03<psych787>I'm willing to give it a try as otherwise no one will notice the bug. Still, I don't want to be causing more harm than good and wasting my time in the process.
19:03<ml|>wow, spelling ;(
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19:08*ml| has not noticed more spam reporting bugs using reportbug or otherwise
19:09<sney>I just use my old aol email for bug reports and mailing lists, it gets spammed anyway
19:09<sney>it has been consistently spammed since 1997 or so, my brain just edits it out at this point
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19:11*bja has a nice mutt + spammassasin + language filter +brain editing that actually he gets to read little spam
19:12*franki^ just has gmail, and has received only one spam email in the last three years or so.
19:12<bja>What do i have to edit if i get $hostname --fqdn hostname: Unknown host
19:13<bja>actually i do get dns resolution for the host names (Nicely configured dns) but on the host i get that
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19:13<ml|>sney: hehe
19:14<keyboardissues>i was wondering if anyone could help me with my keyboard multimedia issues? xev nor keytool will recongize my volume up/down or mute buttons but for somereason my favorites '1' key makes the volume increase
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19:14<sney>keyboardissues: they might be acpi keys, try acpi_listen
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19:15<keyboardissues>sney acpi_listen then pressing the key shows nothing
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19:16<keyboardissues>its almost like my keys arrn't mapped for some reason
19:16<abrotman>they're just multimedia keys ?
19:17<keyboardissues>abrotman, yes whats weird is the favorites keys 1 2 3 4 5 work though because 1 increases my volume
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19:17<keyboardissues>don't know how that got set :/
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19:19<keyboardissues>xmodmap does read them though
19:19<keyboardissues>im stumped
19:20<keyboardissues>xmodmap -pk | grep Audio shows
19:20<keyboardissues>144 0x1008ff16 (XF86AudioPrev)
19:20<keyboardissues> 153 0x1008ff17 (XF86AudioNext)
19:20<keyboardissues> 160 0x1008ff12 (XF86AudioMute)
19:20<keyboardissues> 162 0x1008ff14 (XF86AudioPlay) 0x1008ff31 (XF86AudioPause)
19:20<keyboardissues> 164 0x1008ff15 (XF86AudioStop) 0x1008ff2c (XF86Eject)
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19:21<keyboardissues>er sorry
19:21<keyboardissues>either way it does read it 174 0x1008ff11 (XF86AudioLowerVolume)
19:21<keyboardissues> 176 0x1008ff13 (XF86AudioRaiseVolume)
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19:22<keyboardissues>so i have the scan codes and when i use the scan codes nothing happends
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19:24<keyboardissues>any ideas?
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19:25<ml|>for a few keys I add them to ~/.xmodmaprc ; for example ...keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume and add to ~/.xsession --> xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc
19:26<keyboardissues>ml|, ? explain that again
19:26<keyboardissues>manually add them to .xmodmaprc and .xsessions?
19:27<ml|>man xmodmap, yes those are examples the manpage has more
19:27<abrotman>!info lineakd lenny
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19:28<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 456 kB
19:28<ml|>keyboardissues: but I don't use a DE, so don't know if that will work for you
19:28<keyboardissues>well lets test it out
19:29<ml|>using gnome?
19:29<ml|>for gnome you need ~/.gnomerc iirc
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19:30<ml|>like I don;t know since I don't use gnome
19:30<ml|>*like I said don't know, since I don't use gnome
19:31<keyboardissues>i dont have either of those lol
19:31<keyboardissues>hold on ill check it out via sudo find / -name .xmodmap*
19:31<ml|>~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession is what I meant
19:31<keyboardissues>see what it comes up with
19:32<ml|>yes, you might need to create them
19:32<keyboardissues>yeah i know I dont have .gnomerc
19:33<keyboardissues>nor .xmodmaprc
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19:33<ml|>maybe someone that use gnome can help and look at what abrotman[dpkg] said above
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19:34<keyboardissues>he didn't say crap he just said "there just multimedia keys?"
19:34<keyboardissues>not at all usefull to me
19:35<ml|>< abrotman> !info lineakd lenny
19:35<ml|>< dpkg> lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 456 kB
19:35<werdna>whats better wicd or network manager?
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19:35<werdna>should they both find the same networks ?
19:35<abrotman>werdna: the one tha tworks for you
19:36<ml|>people tend to prefer wicd
19:36<keyboardissues>abrotman, have any input for me?
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19:40<aguitel>my icon nerwork connection appears with no connection but i have network connection ,anyone know about this ?
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19:41<psych787>Is there a way to send the raw email required to file a debian bug report with thunderbird?
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19:42<psych787>I should be able to just send as plaintext, right?
19:42<rpetre>yes, you can instruct reportbug to save the report
19:42<abrotman>what ?
19:42<ml|>yes, reportbug asks you then just paste that in and send email
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19:43<psych787>ok, will do
19:43<ml|>and your attachments
19:43<keyboardissues>abrotman, did you have any input on my issue?
19:43<psych787>If I attach files, will they show up in the report, or should I put them in my dropbox?
19:43<jgoppert>is it possible to have per target CFLAGS for a libtool target that overrirde the AM_CFLAGS?
19:43<abrotman>keyboardissues: i think i already did
19:44<keyboardissues>abrotman i missed it all i seen you type was the question
19:44<keyboardissues>what was your response?
19:44<ml|>attachments should be find, but just incase use dropbox too?
19:44<psych787>Ok, will do.
19:45<psych787>Should the Subject line be left in the email, or just moved to the subject?
19:45<ml|>email I would think; just copy the whole thing from reportbug to keep it simple
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19:52<psych787>This good?
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19:53<psych787>ml|: please confirm and I'll have this bug report mailed off
19:54<ml|>psych787: looks fine, maybe cut down the sentences
19:55<psych787>I'd think that would loose important details like version numbers and the workaround.
19:56<ml|>not if you cut them off at the right places
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19:57<rpetre>ml|: you mean line wrapping, right?
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19:58<ml|>yes, dunno how bts will handle so long, one would have too scroll, which sucks imho
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19:59<rpetre>i understood "cut off the wording" initially :)
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20:01<damageinc>any1 used xplico with bt4 yet
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20:04<ml|>psych787: like ..
20:05<ml|>that's from your first paste
20:05<ml|>see the difference?
20:06<psych787>Your version is actually a little longer.
20:06<ml|>should me much shorter with same info, I see
20:06<rpetre>linewrapping might ease readability
20:06<psych787>manual line wrapping
20:06<ml|>psych787: I did not reword it
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20:07<rpetre>ml|: see, i wasn't the only one :)
20:07<psych787>Sorry, its been a *long* time since I dealt with a system where that mattered.
20:07<ml|>for some stuff it matters
20:08<rpetre>psych787: the bts preserves original linewrapping for code and log lines and stuff like that
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20:08<ml|>I believe so
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20:09<rpetre>but other than that, great bugreport
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20:09<ml|>yeah looks good
20:10<ml|>if the dev needs more info they will respond
20:10<psych787>Ok, sending now.
20:10<ml|>tha will work too
20:10<ml|>!congratulate psych787
20:10<dpkg>Yay psych787, you did it!
20:11<psych787>Thanks for the help everyone. Filing a bug report to document things for everyone is the least I can do. ;)
20:11<rpetre>yup, thanks
20:11<bremner>err, anyone know why "echo $foo | xargs dpkg -S" would fail when "dpkg -S $foo" succeeds
20:11<ml|>yep, all should using testing/sid
20:12<ml|>rpetre: thanks I forget the technical trems sometimes ;)
20:13<rpetre>np, as a non-native speaker, i'm used to pay more attention to ambiguities
20:14<rpetre>also, i believe you need some sleep, your typos are increasing by the hour :)
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20:14<ml|>later :)
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20:16<rpetre>bremner: works for me, for a small testcase
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20:19<bremner>rpetre: huh. Yeah, it fails for some, works for others. Too sleepy now to understand the difference.
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20:20<adb>psych787, why your libc6 is 'Embedded GNU C Library' instead of 'GNU C Library' ?
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20:20<adb>so use a -custom kernel + -custom libc6 ..
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20:21<psych787>Probably some or other dependency somewhere wanted that version. I've had libc6 change versions several times now, both as part of normal upgrades and pinning upstream packages.
20:21<psych787>My kernel is custom for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is that it's normally a realtime kernel, but the rt patches currently break suspend on my machine.
20:23<adb>psych787, i suspect that your reportbug is ... useless
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20:24<abrotman>bremner: is the -S being interpreted by xargs ?
20:25<psych787>adb: I don't see why kernel version and libc version would matter much. This is all about a small code change between two gstreamer versions. The second one causes color shifting.
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20:25<adb>psych787, see .., your system is not a standard sid system
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20:26<psych787>Its not standard or "pure", but I give 100:1 odds that the bug is reproducable on one.
20:27<psych787>In any case, do you even have plasma adb?
20:27<adb>lenny here
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20:27<psych787>Then my bug has absolutely nothing to do with you.
20:29<sig_wall>debian switched to EGLIBC last year
20:31<adb>psych787, anyways, what's your bug number ?
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20:35<abrotman>that's great .. except your bug is now filed against a version that doesn't exist in debian ..
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20:36<abrotman>and the one you're complaining about is only in experimental
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20:38<psych787>The version cited as working *existed* in debian, but was replaced.
20:39<abrotman>the ubuntu version?
20:39<psych787>The one I'm complaining about is the most recent broken one. Every version of that package upwards of the current testing package is broken.
20:39<abrotman>nevermind ..
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21:19<bremner>abrotman: I don't think so, the output is "dpkg: *$foo* not found." where foo is the search string
21:19*MeCooL i`m back
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21:21<astronut>bremner: is that a literal $foo?
21:21<astronut>meaning a shell variable?
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21:22<bremner>no, the exact command is echo usr/share/syncevolution/ui.xml | xargs dpkg -S , but most people won't have the relevant package
21:22*astronut also read it wrong
21:22<astronut>i was going to say it was because | creates a subshell
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21:22<astronut>but you only had $foo on the left anyway
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21:23<bremner>argh. chroot. sorry
21:23<bremner>there is no bug, except possibly with my brain.
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21:23<astronut>we all know the feeling
21:24<astronut>last week i spent about 2 hours going through the libdc1394 docs and code (which of course don't match) trying to find a bug that was actually just a bad cast in my printf
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21:25<astronut>tracing how all the structs are populated, convinced myself that damnit this should work
21:25<astronut>till finalyl i realized that %llx (double) was just wrong
21:27<abrotman>bremner: so it seems to work here ?
21:28<bremner>abrotman: yeah, it was my fault. One window was in a chroot, the other not.
21:28<abrotman>bremner: so it does work for you also ?
21:29<abrotman>oh .. ignore me .. i skipped about 10 lines of scrollback :)
21:29<bremner>s'ok. not in a position to criticise atm.
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21:43<vook>fyi - the annoying handle in gnome-panel can be removed by editing line 64 in panel-toplevel.c to reflect a HANDLE_SIZE of 0, then recompiling. Allows for nicer transparency.
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21:51<seek3r>Hello i need help installing a wireless manger for debian
21:52<dpkg>from memory, wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <>. #wicd on
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21:56<JHP>probando x chat
21:56<JHP>alguien por ahi?
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21:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:58<JHP>ok thanks ...
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22:10<rpetre>speaking of wireless, is there something able to replicate guessnet functionality and use ifupdown's profiles for known networks without getting in the way? n-m is severely lacking and wicd didn't show any signs of inegrating with ifupdown last time i looked
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22:26<vook>anyone have a way to setup screensaver's (within gnome or otherwise) that will enable the screensaver to take advantage of all of it's options ? i.e. fuzzyflakes has several options not available in the gnome screensaver tool.
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22:27<icebrain>vook: use xscreensaver? it shows me 8 or 9 options for fuzzyflakes
22:28<vook>cool, thanks
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23:10<n00bert>Is anyone familiar with either Kismet or BT4 and Kismet?
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