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00:16<khades>yesterday upgraded squeese to all fresh packages
00:16<khades>and all locales are missing now
00:16<khades>even /etc/locale.gen is missin
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00:17<s3a>what's the command to determine the top 10 most used apps?
00:18<khades>strange that "locales" packages didn't install automaticly
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00:21<meowcats>is it possible to set wget manager as default in iceasel/firefox?
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00:26<khades>there's a need to make any gui for it then
00:26<khades>like gwget
00:26<khades>and if u have it u can use flashgot
00:26<khades>or else
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00:28<khades>i am thinkin about makin download manager for uzbl but only idea i got is to add links i wanna download in file, that will be used by aria2c later
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00:31<khades>wow, webkit 1.1.90 in sid for amd64 :D
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01:26<overddose>is there an alternative way to uninstall packages?
01:27<satanus>overddose, what do mean... what way are you using now?
01:27<overddose>trying to find a way to remove epiphany
01:27<satanus>overddose, well i use aptitude...
01:29<satanus>overddose, so... in cli... as root... do aptitude purge epiphany
01:30<overddose>but why didnt it show up anywhere in aptitude in general?
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01:30<overddose>it wasnt in any of the sub-catagories
01:30<overddose>and it wasnt found in a search.
01:30<satanus>did you search for it using the / key?
01:30<satanus>overddose, hmmm did you spell it right?
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01:31<overddose>its still there.
01:31<satanus>i have no idea overddose... aptitude has never failed me...
01:32<satanus>overddose, i have no idea then... i never experienced this problem :/
01:32<overddose>im gonna search around for an alternate package name for it
01:32<gsimmons>overddose: You probably meant epiphany-browser.
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01:32<overddose>then what is epiphany...
01:32<satanus>gsimmons, ah
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01:33<gsimmons>dpkg: tell overddose -about epiphany
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01:33<satanus>gsimmons, thanks for that... its always the small details...
01:33*satanus kicks himself
01:33<overddose>same exact thing...
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01:34<overddose>still there.
01:34<overddose>maybe after reboot.
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01:34<overddose>the reason i want to remove it is because i like iceweasel better, and it eats away at my cpu and mem usage.
01:36<meowcats>isnt epiphany the internet?
01:36<overddose>well. one of them at least.
01:37<overddose>what about the tree of packages tied to the browser?
01:38<overddose>is there a way to remove everything inside that set of packages, but not the outside dependencies?
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01:41<amitz>define set of packages. define dependency.
01:44<overddose>when you install a set of packages.
01:45<overddose>for example, not literally, Epiphany-Browser, and you have other parts like Epiphany-****, and so on
01:45<overddose>is there a way to remove all of those at once.
01:45<meowcats>there is more than one internet?
01:47<goodger>overddose: generally they are dependencies of or depend on the original package, so will be removed automatically in any case; or you can remove them manually
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01:48<overddose>goodger: thank you!
01:51<meowcats>how do i get more internet?
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03:55<cesurasean>can someone please tell me what im doing wrong here? -
03:55<cesurasean>php5-imap dep issues...
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04:03<cesurasean>nevermind, fixed
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05:13<ppl>Hi! Probably a silly question: why tasksel has Priority important?
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06:29<Onepamopa>good morning/day/night all
06:29<Onepamopa>anyone alive?
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06:32<jcdubacq_>I am
06:32<jcdubacq_>anyone knows how to trace why a pdfviewer is launched instead of another with 'see' ?
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06:34<jcdubacq_>it's in /etc/mailcap, but I do not know how to configure
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06:38<Onepamopa>jcdubacq_ each of us with our problems... ;)
06:38<Onepamopa>I have problems with mysql - Innodb, but the folks @ freenode dont respond ..
06:38<Onepamopa>I think they are all asleep
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06:41<themill>jcdubacq_: I presume you've tried --debug
06:42<frogmella>hey, i am using debian squeeze fluxbox and xterm, is it possible to start xterm without the toolbar?
06:46<jm_>xterm has a toolbar?
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06:49<frogmella>without the toolbar, i mean the top bar, where you can close the window etc, i want to hide this
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06:54<frogmella>hm...i mean something like xterm --without-topbar or is it only possible with fluxbox?
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06:55<tholmith>frogmella, you can also try cwm
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06:56<jm_>man page doesn't list any options where xterm would supply such a hint to wm
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06:57<frogmella>hm...but if i do it via fluxbox all windows will hide the toolbar, right?
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06:59<jm_>all xterm windows - you can avoid that by starting xterm with `-name' and then configure fluxbox to handle just this one differently
06:59<themill>!ubuntu-ex inmi
06:59<themill>!ubuntu-es inmi
06:59<dpkg>inmi: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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07:01<frogmella>hm...ok, thanks
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07:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:04<lowbyte>wtz up fuckers!!
07:04<lowbyte>jaja kinddin'
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07:05<themill>adalberto: /join #debian-br
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07:05<ottoshmidt>trying to build module nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx on kernel 2.6.32-1-686 but module-assistant drops an error and also, manual build gives: "make: *** No rule to make target `binary_modules'. Stop."
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07:06<ottoshmidt>the same issue is for newer kernel 2.6.32-3-686, too
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07:06<ottoshmidt>has anyone managed to do that earlier?
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07:07<jm_>that's far too old for 2.6.32 kernel
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07:08<ottoshmidt>jm_, really? should I go down to which version?
07:08<ottoshmidt>adalberto, you meant that for me?
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07:09<lowbyte>how can i acces into a pc in my oun network tath runs windows 7?, it ask me for as password, how can i force it
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07:09<jm_>ottoshmidt: well I don't see a newer version of the legacy driver in Debian
07:10<ottoshmidt>jm_, what would you advise?
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07:13<jm_>ottoshmidt: which package version are you using?
07:13<jcdubacq_>themill: didn't. Did. forgot /usr/sbin/update-mime.
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07:13<ottoshmidt>jm_, package of nvidia or kernel?
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07:14<jm_>ottoshmidt: nvidia kernel source package
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07:15<ottoshmidt>jm_, Invidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source, version: 173.14.25-1
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07:17<jm_>ottoshmidt: ohh this isn't old at all, it's fairly new
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07:18<ottoshmidt>jm_, but why I am not able to build a module?
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07:19<ottoshmidt>or why am I not..
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07:21<jm_>ottoshmidt: my guess (based on past experiences) is something changed in the kernel so their wrapper needs changing
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07:26<tholmith>!es adalberto
07:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:27<ottoshmidt>jm_, and how to change that wrapper?
07:27<jm_>ottoshmidt: let me download nvidia one to see if it has a changelog
07:28<jm_>ottoshmidt: which card?]
07:28<ottoshmidt>fx 5500
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07:31<jm_>adalberto: ASK IN #DEBIAN-BR]
07:31<jm_>without damn ]
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07:32<darsie>Hi! How do I properly add a searchlist to /etc/resolv.conf persistently?
07:33<darsie>my resolv.conf is "Generated by NetworkManager"
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07:34<jmm>darsie: it's because you use either dhcp or some additional software to setup your network.
07:35<darsie>ok, so I disable this resolv hook again.
07:35<jmm>if you don't want /etc/resolv.conf to be updated for some reason, you can still chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
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07:36<jmm>otherwise you need to setup your dhcp client not to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf.
07:37<ottoshmidt>jm_, any progress?
07:37<darsie>chattr ... interesting. I only knew chmod. Didn't know there were additional attributes to change.
07:37<jm_>ottoshmidt: well their changelog says Improved compatibility with recent Linux kernels., what's the exact error?
07:38<ottoshmidt>jm_, u mean from m-a?
07:38<jm_>ottoshmidt: yes
07:39<ottoshmidt>let me reproduce
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07:41<jcdubacq_>ottoshmidt: which version of nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx?
07:41<jm_>the latest
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07:43<jcdubacq_>173.14.22-1 worked
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07:45<ottoshmidt>at about 45% of progress it gives: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx/nv.c: 2049: warning: passing argument 2 of `request_irq` from incompatible pointer type
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07:46<ottoshmidt>jm_, that's the error
07:46<jm_>ottoshmidt: paste the logfile to some pastebin site
07:46<ottoshmidt>jcdubacq_, well let me try it as well
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07:47<ottoshmidt>jm_, where in var should it be?
07:47<jm_>ottoshmidt: /var/cache/modass
07:47<jm_>too bad it's not some nice ass ;)
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07:52<jm_>ottoshmidt: this is log for building with 2.6.31 kernel and it worked
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07:53<jm_>run ls -lrt in that dir
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07:55<ottoshmidt>this one is the latest -
07:56<ottoshmidt>though should be same
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07:56<jm_>/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx/conftest.h:2:40: error: missing binary operator before token "("
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07:57<jm_>do you have linux headers installed?
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07:57<ottoshmidt>actually yes
07:57<Torsten_W>its an error in the package
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07:57<ottoshmidt>may be I should try 173.14.22-1 worked as jcdubacq_ said
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08:01<ottoshmidt>ups but no such version available any more :((
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08:02<jm_>to me this looks like it can't find standard kernel headers (note how KERNEL_VERSION is missing, which is a standard thing)
08:03<jm_>it should be on snapshot
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08:04<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, you can try <== it should work
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08:05<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, and use m-a for that?
08:05<jm_>why do you think a package from a different mirror will help?
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08:05<Torsten_W>jm_, it's not a mirror
08:05<jm_>Torsten_W: ok from a different host then
08:05<Torsten_W>jm_, it's another package i have builded for testing
08:05<jm_>Torsten_W: why keep the same version then?
08:06<Torsten_W>jm_, they is from Mar 06
08:06<jm_>Torsten_W: what did you change btw?
08:06<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, and jm_ I found older 22-1 version in archive on my pc and let me try that one first ok?
08:07<ottoshmidt>I just need to know how to tell m-a to use that old version
08:07<Torsten_W>jm_, it was a testbuild with the original instead of the static conftest.h,
08:07<ottoshmidt>is that possible?
08:07<Torsten_W>jm_, as i can see, the conftest.h in the official package is missing some define
08:08<Torsten_W>but i have to look a little closer, if i find time
08:08<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, you need also the glx part in this version
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08:09<jm_>Torsten_W: ahh indeed, debian uses pre-made conftest.h
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08:09<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, so install the old version from /var/cache/apt/archives with dpkg
08:09<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, i did
08:09<ottoshmidt>but guess module assistant tries to install newer on
08:09<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, no
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08:10<Torsten_W>do m-a -t build nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
08:10<Torsten_W>not m-a a-i
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08:10<jm_>alternatively simply removing the newer one shall also work
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08:11<bgat>has anyone noticed that the latest amd64 kernels aren't booting properly on machines with md rootfs-en?
08:11<bgat>for me, at least, the last one that worked was 2.6.26-1-amd64
08:11<valdyn>bgat: i doubt your explanation is correct
08:11<valdyn>bgat: its not booting - ok - find the real cause
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08:13<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, it worked but I have no glx part for that version :(( noooo
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08:13<ottoshmidt>I forgot that have never downloaded that one
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08:14<ottoshmidt>so will have to try with your file
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08:14<bgat>valdyn: are you running amd64? is your root on md?
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08:14<valdyn>bgat: how is that relevant?
08:14<valdyn>bgat: my / is on lvm which is on md
08:14<bgat>I'm just trying to figure out how helpful your response is. :)
08:14<valdyn>bgat: my /boot too
08:15<dpkg>valdyn has karma of 9
08:15<valdyn>to low!
08:15*bgat is not impressed by your karma
08:16<bgat>turns out, however, that I *do* know what the root cause is. I just didn't want to start with such a specific question
08:16<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, now I can use m-a a-i for that one, can't I
08:16<bgat>here is the kernel command line that grub is passing to me: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=UUID=fe6ab31d-6b42-4443-8678-418198437525 ro quiet
08:16<valdyn>bgat: thats great, please start with specific questions
08:16<bgat>it seems that with kernels later than 2.6.26-1-amd64, that root=UUID= isn't enough to find the root device
08:16<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, sure you can use m-a
08:17<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, but also m-a -t build nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
08:17<valdyn>bgat: what is the error message?
08:17<bgat>or, even more specifically, I'd have to reboot to get it verbatim, but it's along the lines of "can't find root device"
08:17<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, after the build, you will find the kernel-module-deb in /usr/src, which you have to installing with dpkg
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08:18<valdyn>bgat: so we dont know if even your disk controller is detected correctly
08:18<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, guess u meant nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-2.6.32-1-686_173.14.25-1+2.6.32-6_i386.deb
08:19<valdyn>bgat: its possible that you have no initial ram disk
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08:19<valdyn>bgat: you can look for that right now already...
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08:20<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, that one built fine a module
08:20<Torsten_W>i know
08:20<ottoshmidt>so now the issue is known?
08:20<ottoshmidt>and will be fixed in package list?
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08:20<valdyn>bgat: that is in grubs menu.lst too?
08:20<jm_>ottoshmidt: not unless someone files a bug
08:21<valdyn>bgat: cant do more than wild guessing without a boot log
08:21<bgat>valdyn: ok, I guess I'll go get that boot log, then. :)
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08:21<Torsten_W>there are issues in the conftest.h of this package
08:22<Torsten_W>the 1st, there is a #include <linux/version.h> missing
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08:22<Torsten_W>for more, i must look deeper
08:22<jm_>indeed, hence missing KERNEL_VERSION macro
08:22<jm_>that one will fix many things
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08:24<Torsten_W>NV_ACPI_WALK_NAMESPACE_ARGUMENT_COUNT is also not defined
08:24<Torsten_W>with this conftest.h this will never build
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08:24<jm_>I didn't look why that is so - maybe it's because it failed to deetect 2.6 and set that properly based on version, too lazy to build both .32 and nvidia here
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08:25<Torsten_W>its the same conftest.h as in the 173.14.22 package
08:25<Torsten_W>this can't work
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08:26<ottoshmidt>jm_, but we know the issue why should one describe the whole issue with error reproduction steps etc why not just say what is wrong?
08:26<ottoshmidt>(in Bug tracker of course)
08:26<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, I have never filed a bug on debian before but shall I try?
08:26<jm_>kernel developers : nvidia n+1 : 0 :)
08:26<Torsten_W>there a re 2 more defines needed
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08:26<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, i will do that, if i have found all issues
08:26<jm_>ottoshmidt: I don't understand your question
08:27<ottoshmidt>I meant it could be directly pointed to the error reason in bug report rather then stating the whole issue
08:27<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, feel free, to report the bug
08:28<ottoshmidt>I l try
08:28<Torsten_W>ottoshmidt, the maintainer should see, what hhappen, if he reads the modass-log
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08:28<jm_>well sure, you'd start it by showing the errors you get when building it and then explain the reason for it, giving package maintanier initial clues
08:29<ottoshmidt>Ill link to that log
08:29<ottoshmidt>Torsten_W, or upload a file
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08:29<jm_>better include it in the report, the pastebin link will go away
08:30<bgat>valdyn: "running /scripts/local-top... done \n waiting for root filesystem" ... and that's where it sits
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08:30<valdyn>bgat: UUID= is a function of the initrd btw, not the kernel
08:30<bgat>valdyn: in all the stuff that scrolled past, I think I saw references to sda and sdb, which I guess suggests that the SATA controller was discovered fine
08:30<valdyn>bgat: so now we know that the firmware loaded...
08:31<valdyn>bgat: whats your initrd generation tool?
08:31<bgat>I may have upgraded grub at around the time things stopped working, I can't remember
08:31<valdyn>bgat: grub is working fine it seems
08:32<bgat>valdyn: initramfs-tools 0.93.4
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08:33<valdyn>bgat: somethign is wrong with your initrd, no idea what
08:33<bgat>... well, that's what I have installed _now_. I don't know what I had installed back when I updated past 2.6.26-1-amd64
08:33<valdyn>bgat: cant you temporarily switch to using /dev/sda1 ( or whatever )
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08:34<valdyn>bgat: or actually /dev/md0 or whatever
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08:34<bgat>valdyn: yea, I can try that
08:34*bgat needs to get out his laptop, so I don't have to keep leaving #debian :)
08:35<valdyn>bgat: whats that UUIDs physical device? the md raid?
08:35<bgat>is there a way to shutdown -r and force a a cold reboot instead of kexec?
08:35<valdyn>bgat: no idea, i use shutdown -h for that
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08:36<bgat>valdyn: is there a way to get the uuids from the cmdline?
08:36<valdyn>bgat: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or blkid
08:36<valdyn>bgat: it could be that the raid setup in the initrd is broken
08:36<bgat>ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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08:36<valdyn>bgat: maybe your /etc/mdadm* is broken
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08:37<bgat>that uuid seems to match what's in the kernel command line
08:37<valdyn>bgat: /etc/mdadm* is copied into the initrd when you install or reconfigure a kernel
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08:38<bgat>valdyn: from mdadm.conf: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=073ac2b7:0b19f148:0771f08f:4b0ab805
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08:38<valdyn>bgat: do you get the busybox prompt when booting fails? or its stuck?
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08:38<bgat>CTL-ALT-DEL is the only thing that works at that point
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08:39<bgat>the UUID in mdadm.conf shows up under /dev/disk/by-id
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08:41<valdyn>bgat: i suspect if you dpkg-reconfigure or old kernel it will break too
08:41<bgat>yea, let's not try that. :)
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08:42<bgat>it clearly isn't a self-correcting problem, either, since all the later installations are br0ked
08:43<bgat>I'll try switching to /dev/md0
08:44<valdyn>bgat: and try "update-initramfs -k2.6.32-trunk-foo -u -v"
08:46<bgat>no errors reported
08:46<glauco>Is there anyone who can program, and speak Portuguese.
08:46<bgat>I'll try that one out
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08:46<valdyn>bgat: dont need an error to do the wrong thing, read the bug report carefully, maybe it matches your problem
08:46<valdyn>After deleting entries from /etc/udev/rules.d that are in /lib/udev/rules.d this issue is completely solved.
08:47<valdyn>( thats a quote, i have no idea.. )
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08:52<bgat>valdyn: well, neither root=UUID=... or root=/dev/md0 work; but root=/dev/sda1 does
08:52<valdyn>13:46 < valdyn> bgat: dont need an error to do the wrong thing, read the bug report carefully, maybe it matches your problem
08:53<valdyn>13:46 < valdyn> After deleting entries from /etc/udev/rules.d that are in /lib/udev/rules.d this issue is completely solved.
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08:53<valdyn>sorry for the paste..
08:53<valdyn>13:47 < valdyn> ( thats a quote, i have no idea.. )
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08:54<glauco>about IE9
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09:03<bgat>valdyn: hmmm
09:03<bgat>valdyn: I don't have any duplicates in my /etc/udev/rules.d vs. /lib/udev/rules.d
09:04<bgat>but I do have a z60_kpartx.rules that looks like it deals with uuids
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09:04<bgat>I just nuked that, then re-ran update-initramfs
09:04<bgat>let's see what that does...
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09:10<ottoshmidt>and Torsten_W and jm_ many thanks for assistance
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09:15<bgat>valdyn: greetings from my laptop, dammint. :)
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09:16<ottoshmidt>btw anyone remembers I have mention here earlier that videos are almost black and white when I play them, it turned out to be a nvidia driver issue
09:16<ottoshmidt>shows nice colors on non-free diver
09:16<bgat>when I rebooted, fsck became very unhappy. I'm in a maintenance shell now
09:17<bgat>... clearing away illegal inodes, etc....
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09:18<jesperj>Is there a GUI tool for editing the menus generated by "menu"?
09:19<jesperj>I tried to edit the gnome-menu after I installed "menu" and the settings didn't stick.
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09:22<jesperj>oh. hmm. it seems to stick now for some reason.
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09:37<vinicius>if i run find . -mtime -1 on a bash script, the output is different from doing it directly on the terminal
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09:40<vinicius>whats wrong, then?
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09:42<vinicius>"-1" in this case is a variable
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10:09<XTF>Hi. bash: ./xwis: No such file or directory
10:09<XTF>-rwxr-xr-x 1 olaf olaf 560165 2010-03-18 15:08 xwis
10:09<XTF>Does anyone know why I get that error?
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10:13<petemc>XTF: whats the shebang line?
10:13<XTF>It's a binary
10:13<ppl>XTF: what `file xwis` says?
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10:13<XTF>xwis: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped
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10:14<XTF>It's a x86 binary on a x64 system
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10:18<father0fnine>I need to send plain-text email to an SMTP server and have that server encrypt it using a "company key" and then send it on its way. Does Debian have a solution that can handle that?
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10:20<reanimation>hello world !
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10:20<petemc>father0fnine: you can have most MTAs pipe a message to a script or another program
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10:22<father0fnine>petemc: That's what I thought. Is there any one server that is more geared towards that sort of thing... or any one that is easiest to modify for that "out of the box" so to speak
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10:24<bremner>father0fnine: also anubis has some facilities for this iirc
10:24<bremner>anubis is a proxy rather than an MTA
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10:27<father0fnine>And here's my other question. It's not strictly "debian" releated so if there is a better place to ask, please redirect me. If I set the client to "Requires an SSL connection" would the email then be secure -- at least to the first hop?
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10:28<petemc>father0fnine: it would be as secure as anything using ssl would be
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10:29<father0fnine>petemc: that sounds ominous
10:29<petemc>not neces
10:29<petemc>not necessarily
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10:34<father0fnine>Now I need to find helpful people in the [ack] MS world
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11:08<aurorixi>who old are you??
11:08<azeem_>aurorixi: do you have a debian question?
11:09<Hydroxide>aurorixi: that's not appropriate here - this is a technical support channel
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11:19<bja>!pie locklace
11:19*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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11:23<aurorixi>ola bjaç
11:23<aurorixi>cuanto tiempo sin ablarnos
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12:07<lau>hi, I am creating a backuppc user on a host that will be client of backuppc server
12:07<marixi>soy española lo siento
12:07<lau>the sudoers allows this user to rsync nopasswd
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12:08<bja>marixi: Espera un momento ahora estoy contigo
12:08<lau>question is can I set the gid to operator group via debian policy ?
12:08<lau>or do I need to create a backuppc group to ?
12:08<lau>what is the best practice ?
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12:09<aurorixi>estas ahi bja??
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12:10<ottoshmidt>maybe you need to add anything
12:11<Torsten_W>i had my report done, before yours
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12:13<ottoshmidt>then mine seems to be a duplicate
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12:14<ottoshmidt>let me comment that it's a duplicate
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12:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:15<bja>Ariana: quieta, ahora te contacto
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12:23<Jevi>Hey guys
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12:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:24<Jevi>Anyone tryed BackTrack 4?
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12:24<Jevi>Who used backtrack 4 before?
12:24<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
12:24<Jevi>Im using backtrack right now
12:24<Jevi>I think its made for cracking am i right?
12:25<bja>Jevi: look at what dpkg just wrote to the channel?
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12:25<Jevi>I did
12:25<dpkg>i heard debian is See
12:25<Jevi>Whats debian made for?
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12:27<bja>Jevi: take a look at its prety didactic :)
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12:27<Jevi>Is it any good may i ask , im looking for one with alot of tools and great speed you know
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12:28<icebrain>Jevi: you're on #debian, do you expect people to say it's crap? :D
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12:28<Jevi>No :po
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12:28<Jevi>Im wondering whats so spesial with it :)
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12:28<sney>Jevi: debian is made for doing anything you want, it's called the "Universal OS" for a reason
12:28<Jevi>I see
12:29<MeglaW>iv never seen it being called that
12:29<MeglaW>were is it that?
12:29<Jevi>Debian Gnome?
12:29<lau>hi would it be a good idea to add backuppc user to backup group ?
12:29<MeglaW>haha ok
12:29<sney>Gnome is one option, jevi
12:30<Jevi>I fucked up my vista by installing Backtrack , and my vista cd is made in my pc but i cant do a fix :S
12:30<Jevi>soo i cant use vista again
12:30<Jevi>so im with linux and those now :)
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12:31<Jevi>sney? Ur using Debian right now , right?
12:32<Jevi>You know anything about cracking and that kind
12:32<bja>!tell jevi about ot
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12:32<Jevi>nothing happen :P
12:32<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
12:32<sney>ask your l33t h4x0r questions in #backtrack-linux on freenode, please. This channel is not for them.
12:33<sney>also, simply running bt4 will not make you into a pr0 cracker. sorry.
12:33<Jevi>I know that
12:33<sney>a lot of people don't
12:33<Jevi>But i will try to learn since i fucked up my vista no way back
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12:34<sney>you probably just erased the bootloader
12:34<Jevi>Guess so
12:34<Jevi>it auto boots bt
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12:34<sney>yeah it's like a 5 minute fix
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12:34<Jevi>Noone on backtrack-linux :S
12:35<Torsten_W>here is #debian
12:35<sney>on this channel is not freenode.
12:35<Torsten_W>so it is not of interest in this channel
12:35<Jevi>You don't have permission to access / on this server
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12:36<sney>Patrick: ingles solamente por favor
12:36<sney>Jevi: no, no... /server
12:36<sney>and then /join #backtrack-linux
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12:36<Jevi>imterminal ahh
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12:36<sney>in IRC
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12:37<Patrick>across what
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12:38<bja>Patrick: Tienes un mensaje privado, haz click sobre el nombre bja del lado izquierdo de tu pantalla
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12:54<IOhannes>what is the right channel to ask questions about the upload process? #debian-mentors ?
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13:01<houms>can someone help me troubleshoot my sound issue? I get a message on login saying pulseaudio is not working falling back to .
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13:01<chealer>IOhannes: that or #debian-devel
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13:02<IOhannes>chealer, thanks
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13:02<Torsten_W>i would purge pulseaudio and not use it
13:02<Torsten_W>it's crap³
13:02<houms>what is the best way to go about that?
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13:03<houms>by default when i install debian testing from netinstall and then add kde4
13:03<houms>what sound 'server' comes with it
13:03<Torsten_W>you don't need a soundserver
13:04<Torsten_W>aksa is able to do all
13:04<houms>alsa I like... it seems to work without issues for me, just not sure why it is acting up for me know. not alsa i mean sound in general
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13:05<houms>I upgraded the kernel a few days ago and it has not been working since. everytime i log it i get that message
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13:26<houms>Torsten how can i purge pulseaudio if it is not installed?
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13:34<paggas>houms: You can go e.g. to aptitude and press _ on the package.
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13:35<paggas>houms: or aptitude purge PACKAGE
13:36<houms>purging it removes nothing
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13:37<houms>over at debian-kde someone mentioned that it is not pulseaudio but the intel HDA STAC 92xx that ws not working
13:37<houms>I am kind of confused now.
13:37<houms>I have pulseaudio
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13:37<houms>intel HDA STAC 92xx analog
13:37<houms>and then Jack audio connection kit
13:37<houms>in multimedia under system settings
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13:39<eshat>Hi all... Using KDE 4.4 Dolphin cannot mount internal devices. With and without a fstab-entry, I get the message, that mounting is refused for uid=1000
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13:47<mari>ke aceis
13:47<bja>mari: Calla
13:47<bja>mari: ahora te va a aparecer una ventana con bja escrito pica ahí (lado izquierdo de tu pantalla)
13:47<mari>porke tonta
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14:03<bja>Whoever did the silence she allready left long ago
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14:17<juli4n>how can i update my lenny to gnome 2.28?
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14:20<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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14:21<zumbi>juli4n: is it in backports?
14:21<bja>lorena: calla
14:21<zumbi>lorena: comportate
14:21<juli4n>im new in debian, what is backports?
14:21<lorena>tu quien eres
14:21<zumbi>dpkg: tell lorena about es
14:22<ml|>judd: versions gnome
14:22<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+6; squeeze: 1:2.28+6
14:22<bja>lorena: Tienes del lado izquierdo de tu pantalla una línea que dije bja pica en ella
14:22<zumbi>juli4n: read above, dpkg just has explained what backports is
14:22<ml|>there is no backport for gnome
14:23<zumbi>juli4n: then either you backport it or move from lenny to squeeze
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14:23<bja>he he scared the crap out of her :)
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14:24*zobel already had a /msg chanserv quiet #debian add *!*@$ip ready
14:24<zumbi>dpkg: tell juli4n about ssb
14:25<zumbi>zobel about to shoot... :)
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14:27<bja>zobel: care for a private chat :)
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14:28<juli4n>zumbi; i'll try it
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14:38<florian>Hello, I've installed Debian Squeeze but now I have the Problem, that, there seems to be a big problem with the drivers vor my graphics card, as the preinstalled one is very weak, the official one doesn't work and the nouveau doesn't seem to exist; Has anyone an Idea, how I could at least get one of them installed?
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14:44<musca>dpkg: tell florian about nvidia squeeze
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14:45<florian>thank you
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14:45<juli4n>dpkg: tell me about nvidia squeeze
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14:46<zumbi>juli4n: you can use /msg dpkg <<query>> :)
14:46<ml|>juli4n: /msg dpkg selftell
14:46<chealer>florian: which video driver do you use?
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14:47<juli4n>ok thanx ;P
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14:48<florian>chealer: the default one: I've been installing it yesterday on my desktop
14:49<florian>but, it is that bad, that even enemyllines3, lecks
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14:50<chealer>florian: there is no real "default one". all free video drivers can be installed.
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14:50<florian>yes, but one driver is preinstalled, to enable you, to at least run an X
14:51<florian>the drivers, for work need to be installed manualy
14:53<chealer>florian: typically, all free video drivers distributed by Debian are preinstalled
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14:55<florian>chealer: aptitude search nouveau
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14:56<chealer>florian: what?
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14:59<florian>I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, that there is the nouveou-driver for GForce-cards, which is not found in the repositories
15:00<chealer>florian: the nouveau driver is only in experimental. it's not the driver you're using.
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15:02<musca>florian: there are at least four nvidia-drivers on the repos: 71xx, 96xx, 173xx, 190xx
15:02<musca>You need to choose the right one for your card and for your version of Xorg
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15:03<musca>and of course the free ons: nv and vesa
15:03<florian>how do they work?
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15:04<florian>are they supporting §D?
15:04<florian>and transperency on the desktop?
15:04<titan8990>no, nv and vesa does not support 3D
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15:06<florian>how can I find out, which version goes with my Xorg?
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15:07<titan8990>florian: don't mix releases and you do not have to worry about that
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15:08<topro>hi, I'm back with some (demotivating) news about my flickering intel xorg
15:09<chealer>florian: this is no single version for your most of them support it.
15:10<florian>titan8990: It's the latest Version of Testing, without any playing in the /etc/apt/sources.list
15:10<topro>added DDC2 lines to the pc's vga port to enable automatic display detection only to realize that the display won't provide ddc info
15:10<florian>and the thing is, that I allready tried it a few month ago, when there was the same problem
15:10<titan8990>florian: testing is not recommended if you expect things to work
15:12<topro>running xorg in 1024x768 works without flickering, but any modeline I tested (an those were a lot) in 800x480 produce flickering output no matter which pixel-clock. all had to be 60hz as the display is a little picky about refresh rate
15:12<florian>I dont know anyone having a real problem with testing, except this mine problem (Testing works perfectly on my Thinkpad)
15:13<florian>Sorry for my bad English, but it's not my native language
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15:14<topro>the flickering seems to be related to gpu load. I doesn't happen when only starting xinit /usr/bin/xterm, but when I replace xterm with i.e. iceweasel it starts to show up. when I run an opengl app it gets really heavy.
15:14<topro>an idea, anyone?
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15:15<Jevi>Im wondering
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15:16<Jevi>Im about to install Debian , but how can i install in while running backtrack 4 as mainn os?
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15:18<jackyf>Jevi: do you have a CD-ROM drive?
15:18<Jevi>Yes Jack
15:18<jackyf>then download and burn Debian installation ISO
15:18<jackyf>and boot from it
15:19<jackyf>yes, k3b can do it
15:20<Jevi>Cant find it :S
15:20<Jevi>a shit , got to update
15:20<Jevi>had error installing
15:21<Jevi>Im getting error crap
15:21<Jevi>root@bt:~# apt-get install k3b
15:21<Jevi>Reading package lists... Done
15:21<Jevi>Building dependency tree
15:21<Jevi>Reading state information... Done
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15:36<florian>could my problems be there, because I use the trunk-version of the kernel?
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15:41<kfst>florian: no.
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15:42<topro>could someone else using xorg-video-intel please test this Modeline "800x480_2" 31.746 800 860 940 1000 480 508 511 525 -hsync -vsync
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15:42<topro>on debian sid/squeeze (2.6.32)
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15:51<jhutchins_lt>topro: Sorry, my screen only does 1024x768.
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16:04<topro>jhutchins_lt: sure it won't scale up smaller resolutions?
16:04<jhutchins_lt>Nope. Laptop.
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16:04<amphi>topro: same here; xrandr doesn't show that as a possible resolution here
16:04<jhutchins_lt>topro: Actually, sorry, it will go from 640x480 up to 1024x768, but I'm not running sid.
16:05<topro>amphi: it won't show that res if you don't add the modeline to yout xorg.conf
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16:05<topro>as it's not an everyday resolution
16:05<amphi>topro: I doubt my laptop panel would like it
16:05<Panko>it show 800x600 in sid here
16:05<amphi>I have no xorg.conf here
16:06<Panko>no xorg.conf here
16:06<topro>amphi: then it's time you get one ;)
16:06<amphi>topro: why? it's not long since I got rid of it ;)
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16:07<topro>well I tested my setup without xorg.conf, is brings up a screen but not in my displays native resolution which is 800x480, i know its strange
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16:08<topro>but I do start thinking that there is something wrong with the combination linux-image2.6.32/xorg-7.5/video-intel
16:08<topro>and 800x480
16:09<topro>it worked for about two years with older kernel/xorg, but I need the kernel for drivers
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16:12<Panko>topro: have you tried with kms option deactivate?
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16:13<Panko>I have some problems with kms on debian sid and intel on my laptop
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16:13<tzafrir>hi, any idea with what program I can use to get a frequency spectrum from a portion of a sound file?
16:14<tzafrir>Rather, I look at a sound file with some (DTMF and such) tones in it, and want to know which digit is it
16:14<tzafrir>and how well is it coded
16:15<tzafrir>In Lenny I used audacity . But I can't figure how to do it with audacity on Squeeze
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16:21<sdk>THis is rather frustrating. My company bought a Bluray burner for me to use, and I can't mount the drive. It is recognized in Gnome as a blank disk, but I cannot write to it. I get "Please insert a recordable CD or DVD The disk in "HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10NS30" is not supported" Any ideas anyone?
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16:22<sdk>Trying to burn via brasero. the disk is a bd-r dual layer and the burner is a buffalo bluray burner.
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16:24<willly>Hi there! I have recently been struggling with K3B. The problem: It shows no writable CD drives at all, despite the fact that wodim -scanbus does so easily. Because of this, I cannot use K3B to write a disk. Any suggestions? Thanks very much.
16:25<jhutchins_lt>willly: What release?
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16:27<willly>jhutchins-lt: If you're talking about K3B, it's 1.70.0.
16:28<willly>jhutchins_lt: If you're talking about K3B, it's 1.70.0.
16:30<adb>, versions k3b
16:30<judd>k3b -- etch: 0.12.17-8; lenny: 1.0.5-3; sid: 1.90.0~rc1-1; squeeze: 1.90.0~rc1-1
16:30<adb>willly, ^^
16:31<jhutchins_lt>willly: Looks like your test for problems was successful! I suggest you try upgrading.
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16:31<adb>willly, you on ubuntu or such ...
16:32<jhutchins_lt>adb: From the rc in the .90 versions, I would guess that .70 might hvae been an earlier testing version - possibly a broken one.
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16:34<adb>jhutchins_lt, ask willly, not me ..
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16:35<tzafrir>ok. I had to remove the "CleanSpeach" mode
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16:38<jhutchins_lt>dpkg-reconfigure alsa?
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16:42<sdk>Ok, has anyone ever been successful with writing a bluray disc with Deb? Just to make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree.
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16:44<titan8990>sdk: no, and a quick google search shows it being a major PITA
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16:46<sdk>titan8990: I finally (after about 2 hours of searching) found that growisofs may work. Going to try it next. I'll report back if it is successful.
16:46<cesurasean>Specify the full path to the Apache control utility ( apachectl ), i did a find / -name apachectl, with no luck! can someone please assist me?
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16:48<titan8990>pc-tesla hosts-scan # which apache2ctl
16:48<topro>Panko: how to disable kms?
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16:52<cesurasean>titan8990, thx
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16:52<cesurasean>im sorta worn out. heh
16:54<willly>adb: No, I'm on debian. Thanks very much for the heads-up regarding the update -- a day or two back, when I last upgraded, it wasn't available.
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17:00<amphi>topro: edit /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
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17:12<willly>I'm back. The problem still is failure of K3B 1.90.0-rc1-1 to register any burnable CD-RW drives. What could the problem be?
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17:18<Florian_Weber>is it possible, that I run an X-Server without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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17:18<amphi>Florian_Weber: I do so, on testing
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17:19<Florian_Weber>yes, I'm running testing too… so, what would I have to do, if I have to change something in it?
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17:19<degli>hi all
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17:20<amphi>Florian_Weber: you could make one containing only what you wanted to change from the default
17:20<Florian_Weber> dpkg said “(d) Configure xorg.conf as per
17:20<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Florian_Weber
17:20<amphi>oh, nvidia...
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17:21<amphi>nice ellipsis ;)
17:21<Torsten_W>Florian_Weber, for the propritary driver you need an xorg.conf
17:21<Torsten_W>or a patched xorg, suse do so
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17:22<adb>is not nvidia-glx who do it ? or smh like this ..
17:23<Florian_Weber>Torsten_W: and how can I get one? move the file created by nvidia-xconfig to xorg.config
17:23<Torsten_W>the config from the nvidia tool is bloated³
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17:24<Torsten_W>this is all you need
17:25<Torsten_W>with a line feed at the end
17:25<willly>I'm back. The problem still is failure of K3B 1.90.0-rc1-1 to register any burnable CD-RW drives. What could my problem be?
17:25<Florian_Weber>Torsten_W: thanks
17:25<adb>willly, fills a bug report about it
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17:26<adb>!tell willly -about reportbug
17:27<Florian_Weber>and now? just rebooting?
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17:27<Torsten_W>why reboot?
17:28<Torsten_W>start x
17:28<willly>adb: Okay. Thanks very much! :)
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17:28<Florian_Weber>and how can I kill it without violence?
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17:29<Torsten_W>Florian_Weber, kill what?
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17:30<Florian_Weber>I don'T know if some killall-command is that good
17:30<Torsten_W>Florian_Weber, are you using a $dm?
17:31<Torsten_W>gdm, kdm, xdm?
17:31<Torsten_W>/etc/init.d/kdm stop
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17:31<adb>worked !
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17:39<fossiiil>debian, vodka & sliced lemon, that's my religion!
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18:05<kfst>fossiiil: deb+beer+woman+chess+trance+telecommunication :)
18:06<fossiiil>kfst: respect to your religion, too :-D
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18:12<raylu>so i want to install debian testing on a machine without the ability to boot from USB. i wanted to download a netinst or full CD image, so i went to
18:12<raylu>but i see 44 CDs... what are these of?
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18:14<_spOOn_>raylu, all packages for testing
18:14<MeglaW>thats the one u need
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18:15<_spOOn_>all you need is cd1 or netinstall
18:15<raylu>_spOOn_: i see no netinstall
18:15<_spOOn_>then debinstaller will grab packages you need
18:15<raylu>i do see , though
18:16<MeglaW>do you have a alpha cpu?
18:16<_spOOn_>top one is 64bit
18:16<raylu>alpha cpu...? alpha is the release of the installer, i believe
18:16<_spOOn_>bottom one is 32bit
18:16<_spOOn_>inetl cpus
18:16<raylu>_spOOn_: so i should use that instead of CD1?
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18:16<MeglaW>ohh hehe i read at the wrong place hehe
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18:21<_spOOn_>raylu, you can use either, netinst is really for people that dont want to download a full 650mb iso, and would prefer to only have to download the packages theyre going to use...
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18:22<_spOOn_>either way, debinstaller will connect to a mirror during the installer and grab latest content for you
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18:23<kfst>I saw when I install a lenny, I can't configure the /etc/apt/sources.list during installation.
18:23<Conker>is there anÃyone who can helpconnecting bluetooth mouse?
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18:24<_spOOn_>have you tried the wiki?
18:24<kfst>so man cant install the squeeze from the lenny netinst disc. dist-upgrade dies upon the xorg-package dependency hell
18:24<Cygnus>Conker: lspci to see what kind of bluetooth adapter your computer has
18:24<_spOOn_>there is a heap of usefull information there
18:24<Conker>i tdid hcitool and could find the mouse
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18:25<Conker>but doing hcitoo cc {addr} gives me input/output error
18:26<Conker>sometimes it doesnt even give the error but still its not connected
18:26<Conker>ok i'll check it
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18:30<zero_>guys, do you know any good page about code libraries and ffmpeg-related info?
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18:33<Conker>i'm back
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18:34<Conker>i allready that hat howto
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18:35<Conker>any idea?
18:35<Conker>i have used the mouse before. after one reboot it didnt work anymore
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18:36<Conker>i noticed that bluetoothd was not there anymore eventhough i saw messages like bluetooth: bluetoothd on startup before
18:36<Conker>i reinstalled it then
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18:37<Conker>just install
18:37<kfst>stable branch?
18:37<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
18:37<kfst>wow, sid can be complicated
18:38<Conker>but i dont know whÃy it is gone anyway
18:38<DHD2>Ive got a debian server running, where i installed the drupal6 package... now im trying to create a new vhost, but its not working.. ive created a file called in sites-availeble and made a link in sites-enabled.. but doesnt seem to work if you look at ??
18:38<kfst>well, I'm noob, so I won't help you, but it'll be good decision not to use sid.
18:39<Conker>ah thanks
18:39<Conker>so i guess i shouldnt have upgraded to sid, huh?
18:40<Conker>"sid users should be able to solve their problems."
18:40<kfst>, versions bluetoothd
18:40<judd>Sorry, no package named 'bluetoothd' was found.
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18:41<Conker>i guess it was bluetooth then
18:41<DHD2>Does anyone have 5 min to help me? :)..
18:41<amphi>bluetoothd is part of bluez
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18:42<kfst>, versions bluez
18:42<Cygnus>!tell DHD2 about ask
18:42<judd>bluez -- lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.60-1; squeeze: 4.60-1
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18:42<kfst>Cygnus: DHD2 wrote his/her question about drupal
18:43<DHD2>Ive been reading and trying for hours now.. i just can't understand the way vhosts works in debian
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18:43<Cygnus>DHD2: vhosts as in apache2?
18:43<DHD2>Cygnus, yes
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18:44<Cygnus>DHD2: wait a sec
18:44<DHD2>Cygnus, I simply want a vhost, and ive created the files and pointed the domain to the server.
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18:45<Cygnus>DHD2: First do a simple set up, then lets make it more complicated
18:45<DHD2>Cygnus, Ive tried to create a simple setup - just with a index.html file
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19:45<zek>vive debian
19:45<fossiiil>ride on time!
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19:52<cesurasean>how do i install mod_headers on squeeze?
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19:54<themill>cesurasean: I predict that if you have apache installed, you already have mod_headers installed. (use locate, dpkg -S or apt-file to verify this)
19:54<cesurasean>themill, i found how to do it with webmin. thx anyways.
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19:54<cesurasean>ill let you know if i have any issues.
19:54<cesurasean>themill, is there an easy way to activate it via command line?
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19:55<themill>a2enmod headers
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19:56<cesurasean>themill, thx
19:56<adb>heh apache2 on .. squeeze
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19:56<cesurasean>adb, is there something odd about that?
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19:56<cesurasean>im really liking my debian setup right now, so hush your mouth.
19:56<themill>cesurasean: testing isn't really that good for a server
19:57<cesurasean>themill, it's been working fine for quite some time now, actually. no probs.
19:57<cesurasean>a few things, yes, but those can be fixed within time.
19:57<themill>cesurasean: there is no security support and things keep changing beneath your feet. testing isn't really that good for a server.
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19:58<cesurasean>themill, by the time i have this thing functional completely, squeeze will be released. heh
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20:02<Wolke>Huzzah, unbanned via unroot. :)
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20:17<cesurasean>Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Dynamically loaded extensions aren't enabled in /home/s/public_html/billing/ioncube/ioncube-loader-helper.php on line 411 - can someone please tell me what im doing wrong here?
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21:05<chealer>cesurasean: more likely if you tell what you're doing.
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21:06<cesurasean>chealer, installing ioncube
21:06<cesurasean>runtime loaders won't load. :/
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21:09<chealer>cesurasean: is that distributed by Debian?
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21:23<jayrock>hellow is anyone there
21:23<jayrock>is this a real chat
21:24<jayrock>so is this like all people with back track or just some sort of chat
21:25<jayrock>if i told ya i was a newbie mabey youd understand
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21:26<jayrock>i need a pinpale that can help me some with backtrack
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21:26<jayrock>anyone up for it or am i wasting yalls time
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21:27<jayrock>do you have back track bud
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21:28<jayrock>ya there
21:29<glauco>BackTrack 4 Linux , ?
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21:29<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
21:29<jayrock>i just downloaded it to hack wep keys
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21:30<glauco>What is your first problem?
21:30<jayrock>i did it, but i want to learn how to use etter cap and all the other tools
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21:30<sney>jayrock, if you were a real leet hax0r you would have noticed that this is #debian, not #backtrack, and that you are probably in the wrong channel.
21:30<jayrock>look i dont even know what im on, im just askin homie some questions
21:31<sney>please ask homie questions in query windows or somewhere else
21:31<jayrock>alls i know is that this chat was on backtrack
21:31<glauco>Well I'm using translators. 'm from Brazil
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21:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:31<jayrock>can i talk to the guy i was just talking to or is that going to affend you
21:31<sney>!ops jayrock is lost, needs help finding the exit
21:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: jayrock is lost, needs help finding the exit
21:32<jayrock>there we go
21:32-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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21:32-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
21:32<amphi>jayrock: you can /query glauco and chat privately; backtrack is offtopic in here
21:32<glauco>We could, take any questions about something specific.
21:32<glauco>That would not be illegal.
21:33<glauco>Mostrar romanização
21:33<glauco>Feel free to share.
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21:34<glauco>I went to was the caves.
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21:34<amphi>I think your translator is breaking down ;)
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21:35<glauco>caves. = Fluxbox
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21:35<glauco>Do you understand?
21:36<amphi>no; you want to use fluxbox?
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21:37<glauco>I have been using.
21:37<glauco>I say this is the era of the caves.
21:37<glauco>Cave was?
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21:38<amphi>you mean, fluxbox is primitive?
21:39<glauco>very nice wm.
21:39<amphi>I used to use openbox, which is similar
21:41<glauco>I can not get blackbox, minimize button.
21:41<glauco>So I get fluxbox.
21:43<glauco>amphi, Can disappear with the icon of gkrellm bar below
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21:45<amphi>glauco: if you start it with 'gkrellm -w' it will go in the 'slit', if I recall correctly - assuming fluxbox behaves like black/openbox
21:46<glauco>dont movie?
21:47<glauco>no movie location ??
21:48<Panko>backtrack is based on ubuntu/debian!?
21:49<glauco>amphi, no move position ?
21:49<Panko>I think bt4 is based on slax... maybe give a try
21:50<gsimmons>Panko: No, read again what dpkg said earlier.
21:50<glauco>BackTrack 4 Beta is now based on Debian packages and uses Ubuntu software repositories, this change allowing any updates that are deployed to be immediately applied.
21:51<glauco>Backtrack 4 is Debian/ubuntu rs
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21:54<Panko>glauco: sorry for my english... I'm spanish...
21:54<glauco>Hi Panko
21:54<Panko>my last sentence seems not understable...
21:54<glauco>I from brasil. using translators.
21:54<amphi>glauco: it's still not debian ;)
21:55<glauco>amphi, Debian/BASED.
21:55<Panko>i'm trying say, i think is based on slax like others bt, not think is in debian :p
21:55<glauco>packages, from ubuntu. repositories.
21:55<amphi>!based on debian
21:55<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
21:55<glauco>nice shot!
21:57<Panko>btw, i have an iso of bt4 somewhere on my hard disk, but not yet give a try...
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21:57<Panko>maybe now i'm gonna try it ;)
21:58<glauco>Nice to testing, ISO or, CD live.
21:58<Panko>when i can solve some problems with my debian sid installation on my laptop
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22:00<glauco>what problems ?
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22:01<Panko>now, one curious...
22:02<Panko>removed wicd and installed network-manager-kde
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22:02<Panko>then, rsyslog take over 90% of cpu and ram
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22:03<Panko>and then, in a few secons, my / partition pass from 7'6GiB free of 20GiB to only 58'4MiB free
22:03<Panko>then, nothing works caused by not having space on it
22:03<glauco>yes Panko
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22:03<amphi>Panko: nice plump logs
22:04<glauco>tryed run network-manager-kde in shell ? to view logs ?
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22:04<Panko>not see any problem with it, now works as expected...
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22:05<Panko>but has to go out, tomorrow will try to search about it, i think is no proble with knetwork
22:05<Panko>but a problem, casualty, of my sistem
22:05<Panko>solved a bit with logrotate :p
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22:06<Panko>now, i have to read logs and logs and then try to free some more space
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22:06<glauco>Here, wicd does not scroll.
22:06<glauco>not getting anywhere with WPA wifi.
22:06<glauco>I tried many things out there, nothing helped. use the network-manager nm-applet.
22:07<Panko>here works fine (debian sid version)
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22:07<Panko>and in my laptop, but i'm kde user, and want take off gtk apps from my laptop...
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22:08<glauco>see it my desktop hehhehe >:)
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22:08<Panko>here's no matter, I need a network manager that use roaming without problems, and wicd do it
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22:09<glauco>Network-manager = nm-applet not works for you ?
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22:10<Panko>nm-applet is gnome app...
22:10<Panko>I want only kde apps on my laptop :p
22:10<Panko>so simple your desktop...
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22:13<glauco>fluxbox + nm-applet
22:13<glauco>icon on bar. = nm-applet
22:13<amphi>glauco: try xmonad :)
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22:15<glauco>killall nm-applet = result close conections!!!
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22:26<glauco>bye for all
22:26<glauco>exit me
22:26<Panko>bye glauco
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22:27<glauco>until tomorrow
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22:42<Silicium01>apt-get for some reason lists a whole bunch of files as packages that are not needed any more, it includes all that come with gnome...
22:42<Silicium01>What could have caused this?
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22:43<Panko>can't understand....
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22:44<Silicium01>when I try to install a package, it shows me a list of packages that are not needed any more
22:44<Silicium01>"The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:"
22:44<Panko>i understand now...
22:44<Silicium01>Panko, it has a lot of stuff that I do need, including gnome stuff
22:44<iAmerikan>Which download is the 64 bit version? I'm used to 'x86_64'
22:44<Panko>maybe orphaned packages, or some configuration files...
22:44<edbian>iAmerikan, amd64
22:45<Silicium01>Panko, how can I troubleshoot this?
22:45<Panko>let me try to remember...
22:45<iAmerikan>edbian: that doesn't mean amd archtype??
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22:46<edbian>iAmerikan, amd invinted the 64 bit architecture so they got the name. A 64-bit intel processor's architecture is "amd64"
22:46<iAmerikan>edbian: thanks :D
22:46<Panko>Silicium01: try to remove one package with purge option (search for one that only removes itself) an then try again apt-get and see if it appears in that list
22:47<edbian>iAmerikan, no prob
22:47<Silicium01>Panko, let me try that
22:47<Panko>posibly they are packages installed auto when install some app and the new version don't need it
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22:47<Silicium01>Panko, does it need to be one from the list?
22:48<Silicium01>Panko, not sure how to tell which one would just remove itself
22:48<Panko>apt-get has an option, autoremove
22:49<Silicium01>Panko, yes, but if I do autoremove I will whipe gnome out
22:49<iAmerikan>What Cd # should I get? 1-31?
22:49<Panko>all gnome? or just meta-packages?
22:50<Panko>iAmerikan: just cd one to install is needed
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22:51<Silicium01>Panko, I'll purge cheese
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22:52<Silicium01>purged it and reinstalled it, the mesage still appears
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22:53<Panko>too many packages... :s
22:53<Panko>what about if you use aptitude?
22:53<Silicium01>use aptitude for what?
22:53<Panko>it's like apt-get
22:54<Silicium01>Panko, my goal is to fix the problem, find out what's wrong
22:54<Panko>i know...
22:54<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
22:54<Panko>it's only for see if it shows the same or not
22:55<Panko>touché, sney
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22:55<sney>I had the same problem a few months ago. apt is too smart sometimes.
22:55<Silicium01>sney, what would the "packagename" be in this case?
22:55<Panko>i use aptitude always for install/deinstall
22:55<Silicium01>which package is this instruction referring to?
22:55<sney>Silicium01: in your case, probably gnome.
22:56<sney>but you'll just need to do trial and error until it works, or look at the dependencies for some of the non-libs to find the important ones
22:56<Silicium01>sney, since I already have gnome, if i run apt-get install gnome, what will happen?
22:57<sney>it will probably install a couple things automatically and then your problem will go away
22:57<sney>it won't reinstall all the gnome core stuff.
22:57<Silicium01>The following NEW packages will be installed:
22:57<Silicium01> gnome gnome-desktop-environment
22:57<Silicium01>I think that is a big package
22:58<sney>it's a metapackage
22:58<sney>it's actually very tiny, all it has is dependencies on a lot of other packages
22:58<Silicium01>so it will skip what it already has?
22:58<Silicium01>oh man, I hope you're 100% sure
22:58<Silicium01>are you 100% sure?
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22:59<sney>I am never 100% sure, but I'll give it 99% here. and if it starts downloading something huge you can just ctrl+c to stop it.
22:59<Silicium01>sney, there's n other way to tell what package is causeing this?
23:00<sney>nothing as quick. in the future pay more attention to what you remove.
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23:00<Silicium01>I didnt remove anything
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23:00<Silicium01>I havent touched it other than updates
23:01<Silicium01>anyway, Im gona give it a try
23:01<sney>oh weird. anyway I just looked at and they're both very tiny metapackages.
23:01<Silicium01>ok ran apt-get install gnome, it finished quickly but autoremove still there
23:02<sney>use aptitude, it's smarter. do aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment and see what happens
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23:03<astartoth>how about debfoster?
23:03<Silicium01>it showed me packages it will remove
23:03<sney>the same big list?
23:03<Silicium01>one sec
23:04<Silicium01>sney, that's after aptitude install gnome
23:04<Silicium01>should I proceed with Y?
23:05<Silicium01>interesting, apt-get install gnome shows same list now
23:06<Silicium01>sney, list changed to this now
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23:08<sney>Silicium01: yeah, proceed with Y. looks like aptitude knows what to do. stick with it from now on.
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23:09<Silicium01>sney, ok
23:10<Silicium01>some stuff will stop working now I guess lol, I'll probably start noticing later :)
23:10<Silicium01>I saved the list though so we'd cool
23:10<Silicium01>sney, thanks for advice man
23:10<sney>no problem
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23:10<Panko>i'm searching on google
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23:11<Panko>always the same results...
23:11<Silicium01>Panko, what are you looking for?
23:11<Panko>can safe remove that packages... and if something is gone, can reinstall later
23:12<Silicium01>how do you "safe remove" ?
23:12<Silicium01>I just saved the list
23:12<Panko>the same as sney said
23:12<Panko>if you have the list, no problem
23:12<Panko>can reinstall later if you need
23:13<Silicium01>I'm out
23:13<Silicium01>thanks guys
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23:13<iAmerikan>1hr28 minutes before my iso finishes downloading, then next day I have off, I get to try debian
23:14<adb>the right iso ?
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23:17<Panko>rekonq doesn't work on my debian...
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23:18<snogglethorpe>("my debian"?)
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23:20<Panko>sorry, my machine with debian installed xD
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23:57<aaj>hi i have local repository and want to configure search tool similar as .any one knows how to do this?
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